| 00:26.54 | DrodoEmpire | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/258210646412456515/E6AA4001BB681061561378EA9E2AF399AAE91C4B/ - B U L L S H I T |
| 00:27.16 | DrodoEmpire | T O T A L B U L L S H I T |
| 00:27.58 | Liquid_Ink | Is 368K *really* enough? |
| 00:28.26 | DrodoEmpire | Not just that |
| 00:28.34 | DrodoEmpire | Look at the goddamn *size* of the Ottomans |
| 00:28.47 | Liquid_Ink | I saw |
| 00:29.00 | DrodoEmpire | No *way* cheats weren't involved to own half the globe in under a 100 years >.< |
| 00:29.08 | DrodoEmpire | That's like late-game stuff |
| 00:29.14 | Liquid_Ink | Maybe they used all that manpower? |
| 00:29.37 | Liquid_Ink | When you first posted the picture I thought it was yours. |
| 00:29.52 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, though I got a pretty good game as France currently |
| 00:30.07 | Liquid_Ink | Cool |
| 00:35.44 | dino82_ | new Rambo Nation fighter: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:RNSFDarkarg01.png |
| 00:38.29 | Monet | Cool! |
| 00:40.37 | dino82_ | Thanks! |
| 00:41.19 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah that's pretty good |
| 00:49.51 | dino82_ | It is based/mixture of the F22/F35 |
| 00:50.50 | DrodoEmpire | Cool cool |
| 00:53.01 | Monet | F22's probably my favourite Lockheed Martin model fighter. |
| 00:54.01 | dino82_ | Yeah that one is awesome, the sound it makes and what it can do is great! |
| 00:56.20 | Monet | Loking back over the EA presentations |
| 00:56.34 | Monet | E3* |
| 00:56.50 | Monet | It must say something about EA's blandness when they have the plainest stage. |
| 00:58.34 | dino82_ | was the E3 stand good? Missed that one completly thsi year |
| 00:58.38 | Monet | Bethesda was in an aircraft hanger, Ubisoft had a dancing troupe to Queen, Microsoft had overlaying screens and SOny were inside an opera theatre. |
| 00:59.10 | Monet | EA? Stripes, primary colours, only three screens. |
| 00:59.18 | dino82_ | neat! Oh that is rather cheap for EA |
| 01:01.16 | Monet | Compared to the others the stage felt really underwhelming. |
| 01:04.56 | Monet | In terms of what they offered, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, FIFA, Star Wars, generic PR jargon |
| 01:07.05 | Monet | Oh yeah and Mass Effect Andromeda |
| 01:07.17 | Monet | Mass Effect Andromeda: Reutrn of the Mako. |
| 01:08.42 | dino82_ | sounds like a nice line up though |
| 01:09.55 | Monet | Listening to Total Biscuit's snark and when José Mourinho appeared his response was "wh othe bloody hell is that man" |
| 01:10.24 | dino82_ | lol |
| 01:14.29 | Monet | Also after the EA stream I got to watch Snoop Dogg and Zack Effron play Battlefield 1 |
| 01:16.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that was interesting XD |
| 01:16.34 | DrodoEmpire | Really, it seems like BF1'll be good... as a WWII shooter. |
| 01:16.53 | DrodoEmpire | I'm *really* concerned as to its accuracy. >.< |
| 01:17.22 | DrodoEmpire | Really, the equipment and weapons *are* historically accurate, reasonably so- but many of the weapons depicted were highly experimental, or on a limited issue |
| 01:17.24 | Monet | They announced France as a multiplayer faction as DLC |
| 01:17.46 | DrodoEmpire | BF1 makes us think they were mass-produced and available to most soldiers |
| 01:18.22 | Monet | They did hint at weapo ncustomization. |
| 01:18.36 | DrodoEmpire | Also the tactics and stuff don't add up either- this most resembles the mobile phase of WWI during 1917-1918 but its still a pretty sorry excuse for a depiction of that |
| 01:18.40 | Monet | DIY style I think they were saying |
| 01:19.03 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah but that makes it even worse as WWI-era firearms had precious few attachments available >.< |
| 01:19.13 | DrodoEmpire | A bigger magazine and a telescopic sight. That's it |
| 01:19.25 | Monet | I think they're focusing on the mobile phase because as a shooter it's a little more interesting. |
| 01:19.42 | DrodoEmpire | That's fair, but they aren't doing well in depicting it |
| 01:20.04 | Monet | Yeah I recall hearing tanks didn't appear until about 1917 |
| 01:20.18 | DrodoEmpire | Don't get me started on those goddamn tanks>.< |
| 01:20.27 | DrodoEmpire | teamwork doesn't seem important, everybody uses weapons that either don't match up with the faction, or are again extremely rare and experimental |
| 01:20.48 | DrodoEmpire | The majority of people should be a variation of riflemen- That can still be interesting, just different |
| 01:20.52 | Monet | Sounds like Battlefield 3 and 4 |
| 01:20.56 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:21.04 | DrodoEmpire | Again, its a great WWII shooter >.< |
| 01:21.36 | Monet | As you progress, Russian palyers can exchange your AK-74 for an MP5 or an FN2000 |
| 01:21.43 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah that's what bothers me- it basically exploits this new setting for sales without seriously taking it in to consideration as a period when designing gameplay |
| 01:22.17 | Monet | :EA: |
| 01:22.18 | DrodoEmpire | If they did, you'd end up with something a bit more like Verdun |
| 01:22.25 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... True. >.< |
| 01:24.27 | Monet | Having the zepplin appear near the end of basically every battle seems liek another gameplay option |
| 01:24.59 | Monet | Becuase of the hydrogen balloons those things carried you *really* don't want to expose those things ot gunfire. |
| 01:25.11 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 01:27.03 | Monet | So while I am interested in BF1, I can see your point regarding style over accuracy |
| 01:27.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... I'm a bit historical accuracy guy >.< |
| 01:31.20 | Monet | Verdun's a bit more of a niche game isn't it? |
| 01:34.06 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh, a bi |
| 01:34.10 | DrodoEmpire | *Bit |
| 01:34.37 | DrodoEmpire | It isn't the big triple-A thing, but I figure its "niche" in the same way EUIV is niche |
| 01:35.38 | DrodoEmpire | Its more hardcore than an accurate BF1 would have to be, though. BF1 could get away with a new meta that's inspired by the tactics of the time |
| 01:35.51 | DrodoEmpire | They're playing it absurdly safe by making the same game currently >.< |
| 01:36.00 | DrodoEmpire | *same game as before |
| 01:38.56 | Monet | EA like to play safe. They know that proper innovation is a big sales risk. |
| 01:39.08 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I suppose |
| 01:39.18 | DrodoEmpire | Blame the publisher, I suppose |
| 01:39.19 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:40.32 | Monet | By the ound of it, DICE do want to explore the time period. |
| 01:40.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 01:41.14 | Monet | the tanks, the biplanes, the cavalry, the weapons. And during that town battle I think we did see some trenches |
| 01:42.02 | Monet | But at the same time, the shadow of EA's marketing speculators looms low. |
| 01:42.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:43.33 | Monet | I've heard it's happened with CoD; developers propose to reps a concept for the game and those reps will move a point up and down on a graph to show how they think that element will affect sales |
| 01:44.54 | DrodoEmpire | Yikes... |
| 01:45.19 | Monet | It's a battle between what the developers want and what the marketing team thinks will sell. |
| 01:45.45 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, CoD's what happens when you give execs that come from entirely different industries control over a game publishing company |
| 01:46.40 | DrodoEmpire | Give'em the exact same shit, because a culture's been cultivated among CoD players to just migrate to the new game as a rule |
| 01:46.41 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:46.51 | DrodoEmpire | They're waking up to that. thankfully |
| 01:46.55 | DrodoEmpire | But only just now |
| 01:47.03 | DrodoEmpire | (Or perhaps since Ghosts, I dunno) |
| 01:47.49 | Monet | I can imagine EA's reps didn't want Battlefield 1 to look like that classic image of The Somme; two sides in trenches everyoen armed with bolt-action rifles firing pot-shots while they shell each other with artillery. |
| 01:48.46 | Monet | They also have to compete with the latest CoD instalment which is going into space. |
| 01:50.15 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, but I mean that's not all the war was about either |
| 01:50.32 | DrodoEmpire | Which is one thing I might give it credit for, is that it *does* seem to have a few other fronts represented |
| 01:51.29 | Monet | So far I have yeat to hear if we'll see anything from Eastern Europe aside from the AUstro-Hungarian Empire. |
| 01:51.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:51.44 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that bothers me |
| 01:51.49 | DrodoEmpire | And what about the Balkans? |
| 01:51.51 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:52.40 | Monet | I recall there were engagements between the Ottomans and Germany. |
| 01:52.57 | Monet | Or were the Ottomans on the side of Germany? Can't remember. |
| 01:53.18 | Monet | We'll either have Ottomans vs Germany or Ottomans vs Britain. |
| 01:56.00 | DrodoEmpire | The Ottoman Empire was with Germany |
| 01:56.05 | DrodoEmpire | And they fought Britain |
| 01:56.16 | DrodoEmpire | Both in Iraq and in the Gallipoli campaign |
| 01:56.42 | DrodoEmpire | They also fought the Russians and Armenians around the Black and Caspian sea |
| 01:56.49 | Monet | The battle of Gallipoli right, right. |
| 01:58.15 | Monet | When I studied chemistry I came across one chemist who died at the battle of Gallipoli |
| 01:58.34 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:58.59 | Monet | He was with the roya lengineering corps - according to the article this was the last time the corps were deployed into a hotzone. |
| 01:59.46 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 02:00.49 | Monet | I think what it was, after Gallipoli the Royal Engineering Corps were reorganised ot be support-only. |
| 02:03.30 | Monet | I might be wrong |
| 02:11.40 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 04:07.31 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 08:13.34 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 08:16.59 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 08:17.42 | Groxkiller98 | Done all my college assignments. Got nothing to do. :| |
| 08:24.26 | Groxkiller98 | Trying to formulate something for a game. |
| 08:24.48 | Groxkiller98 | Does dmg=(weapon atk)x(level/2)x(strength/10) seem reasonable for a player's damage output? |
| 08:28.57 | Groxkiller98 | Or what about Attack Damage = (Weapon Damage) X ((Stength X 0.5) X Level))? |
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| 08:35.28 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 08:39.35 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 08:39.45 | Groxkiller98 | Trying to work on a game project. |
| 08:40.03 | Groxkiller98 | Does Attack Damage = (Weapon Damage) X ((Stength X 0.5) X Level)) seem reasonable player output? |
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| 08:50.24 | Groxkiller98 | DISTRACTION CARNIFEX! *Runs off* |
| 09:02.46 | Groxkiller98 | So... |
| 09:33.52 | Groxkiller98 | Later. |
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| 10:28.00 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 10:28.11 | Groxkiller98 | Quiet here? |
| 10:29.22 | Groxkiller98 | Been working on fiction - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Teyan_Imperium_of_Andromeda |
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| 10:30.30 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Ghelae. |
| 10:30.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:30.51 | Groxkiller98 | Working on my three empires. |
| 10:31.19 | Groxkiller98 | Or at least trying to bring my Teyan and Ankoran up to the same quality as the Mithadorn. |
| 10:32.04 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Teyan_Imperium_of_Andromeda |
| 10:32.08 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic |
| 10:32.11 | Groxkiller98 | Opinions? |
| 10:35.14 | Ghelae | Generally, no, I don't do opinions. But I don't see any major problems. Just typos. |
| 10:35.28 | Groxkiller98 | T_T |
| 10:35.33 | Groxkiller98 | Must fix those. >_> |
| 10:35.39 | Ghelae | And it's usually ideal to bold the first occurance of an article's name within the introduction. |
| 10:36.12 | Ghelae | Not that it makes a practical difference at all. |
| 10:36.15 | Groxkiller98 | Will do that. |
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| 10:46.50 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 10:47.16 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 10:48.12 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
| 10:54.26 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:59.01 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ankoran_Empire |
| 10:59.45 | Groxkiller98 | With two galaxies being inhabited by the Ankoran, I spy a hell of a time managing it all. |
| 11:00.57 | Groxkiller98 | Hm... Anyone wanna do some collabs? Some form of interaction is always good. |
| 11:01.24 | Groxkiller98 | And the Mithadorn's biology always tends to lead to... interesting moments. |
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| 11:50.33 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 11:58.56 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:23.26 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/jHcU8 |
| 12:25.56 | Monet | "If you have no oven handy, use balrog." |
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| 12:34.00 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/pZmaGpH |
| 12:34.41 | Wormy_ | amazing artwork http://imgur.com/a/02pYx |
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| 13:13.55 | Monet | http://www.cracked.com/article_24162_6-surprising-ways-media-sucks-at-predicting-elections.html Why I don't trust polling |
| 13:15.07 | Monet | #3 "Technology Has Made It Impossible To Poll A Wide Demographic Of Ages" - THe house I live in for university we don't even *have* a landline phone. Want to call us? Dial our smartphones. |
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| 13:19.40 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 13:20.29 | Monet | Hi |
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| 15:54.27 | Wormy_ | So Scottish it hurts http://imgur.com/gallery/TWjC9L7 |
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| 16:32.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 16:38.43 | Hachiman | What a fucking little retard this foster kid is |
| 16:39.00 | Hachiman | Knocks on my door and makes me leave a match just to talk to me about a seagull and that dinner's not ready yet |
| 16:39.23 | Hachiman | 200% fucking mad |
| 16:45.46 | Hachiman | Right, sorry for the outburst, initial wave of frustration has gone |
| 16:50.08 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 16:50.54 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:50.58 | Wormy_ | Its the Seagull's way of getting at you even in the middle of the house |
| 16:51.05 | Wormy_ | He has a little sidekick now ll |
| 16:51.09 | Wormy_ | lol |
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| 17:01.13 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13439129_1302839503080022_4851985378050446140_n.png?oh=fa640a339058e49e7530b6f4ec4f707c&oe=57F27BF3 Battlefront 1 |
| 17:03.14 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 17:03.39 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 17:07.11 | Xho | meow |
| 17:09.15 | Monet | Woof |
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| 17:31.14 | ImpyDroid | 20 minutes into Stellaris and I am attacked by religious terrorists |
| 17:31.16 | ImpyDroid | Wow |
| 17:37.41 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Opposing ethics tend to clash |
| 17:40.31 | Monet | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQE53biGfg8 you're not the only one who found Red Dawn a bit silly |
| 17:42.37 | Wormy_ | I watched it because of that video lol. |
| 17:43.04 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid becoming 'Murican |
| 17:46.04 | Monet | The toll of a land-war, for me certainly hits home how nigh-impossible a successful North Korean invasion would be. |
| 17:46.49 | Wormy_ | There were many inexcusable errors even I could notice without being a military or political buff |
| 17:47.16 | Wormy_ | I.e. NATO just goes "umm lets surrender" |
| 17:47.40 | Monet | Yeah... |
| 17:47.49 | Monet | How do we do that again? |
| 17:47.55 | Wormy_ | No explanation |
| 17:48.49 | DrodoEmpire | A land invasion of the continental United States would be nigh-impossible- major cities are spread all across the vast country, giving no clear objective and military assets are numerous, highly-advanced, and even more dispersed |
| 17:49.03 | OluapPlayer | best korea stronk |
| 17:49.38 | DrodoEmpire | The US military could mobilize extremely quickly and, being a highly-developed country on the defense, would have no problem maintaining supply lines |
| 17:50.03 | DrodoEmpire | All this assumes you somehow get past their navy ;p |
| 17:50.07 | Monet | At least the fillmakers were aware that invading the US by marching though EUrope is beyond moronic...right? |
| 17:50.07 | DrodoEmpire | *:p |
| 17:50.24 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah there's also NATO to worry about >.< |
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| 17:51.00 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah trying to roll over Europe and *then* invade the US would be hard, even if we assume NATO doesn't exist\ |
| 17:51.26 | Monet | Which is why I find the Russian strategy in Modern Warfare to be dumb. |
| 17:51.29 | DrodoEmpire | You'd have to fight through a bajillion different developed nations in a continent full of dense forest, mountains, and other highly-defensible terrain |
| 17:52.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... |
| 17:52.40 | DrodoEmpire | Really almost any "WWIII" scenario I see in fiction is just super-dumb |
| 17:52.54 | Monet | This is why I liked Battlefield 3 a bit more - still a bit silly though |
| 17:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | Most leave out the glaringly-obvious fact that it is against the interests of *the entirety of the human species* for two developed countries to go to war |
| 17:53.41 | DrodoEmpire | The economy would bottom out instantly if, say, Russia and China began to fight a major land war >.< |
| 17:54.25 | DrodoEmpire | And it'd suck in a whirlwind of other actors and you'd probably quickly have a third world war, or an international coalition otherwise composing a third faction trying to stop the insanity |
| 17:54.54 | Monet | In that one what happened was Iranian terrorists/rebels buy some RUssian suitcase nukes from an arms dealer. WHen Russia discovers the arms dealer they send in an entire company of Spetznaz paratroopers to cover their asses, inadvertantly engaging with a platoon of American soldiers who were folowign a lead from checking the phone of the recently-deceased Iranian minsiter of defense. |
| 17:55.05 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 17:55.11 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah its an accidental engagement then\ |
| 17:56.52 | Monet | The whole story is told from a report by a GRU operative and an account told by a marine who was under interrogatio after being discovered shooting his captain (who would have shot said GRU operative) |
| 17:57.56 | Monet | Basically in the Battlefield series, WWIII started because US forces accidentally engaged Spetznaz forces trying to cover up their nukes were used ot nuke Paris and nearly nuke New York |
| 17:58.34 | Monet | And the only guy who could shed light - and the only asset who knew of the NYC plot - was under interrogation form the FBI the night of the bombing. |
| 17:58.52 | Monet | Or was it the CIA? Not sure |
| 18:00.22 | Monet | Said soldier however faced a disciplinary for possible collaboration with Russian agents, escaping incarceration, assualting a CIA operative and seen in possession of a suitcase nuke (that he disarmed, fortunately). |
| 18:02.06 | Monet | So the chance exists the only evidence to prevent a Russo-American war was being buried under incompetence by the CIA. |
| 18:04.35 | Monet | So the storylines in Battlefield are a bit less insane than what CoD does. |
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| 18:29.38 | Monet | Wormy_: Regarding the Secret World there is one aspect of the game you may like |
| 18:29.56 | Monet | SOme of the missions require a bit of real-world knowledge |
| 18:31.51 | Monet | For instance one early side-mission on Solomon Islands requires knowledge of morse code to solve a riddle. |
| 18:46.10 | Wormy_ | nice |
| 18:46.25 | Wormy_ | Yeah the story and lore looks interesting |
| 18:46.33 | Wormy_ | Gameplay looks a bit grindy# |
| 18:47.07 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/eOiNwB3 |
| 18:50.59 | Imperios | > to roll over Europe and *then* invade the US |
| 18:51.07 | Imperios | Who's been reading my fantasies |
| 18:51.17 | Imperios | Are you telepathic or something |
| 18:51.50 | Imperios | But yeah we can't go to all-out war anymore |
| 18:52.06 | Imperios | Like for how long will our elites survive without their iPhones |
| 18:55.48 | Monet | America ahs become the crux that holds the modern world together |
| 18:56.20 | Monet | Whih perfectly explains why the Visitors of the more recent series of V gained their trust before moving on ot every other country. |
| 18:57.10 | Imperios | Monet: One of the two cruxes |
| 18:57.12 | Imperios | The other is China |
| 18:57.21 | Imperios | I'd even say China is more important |
| 18:57.55 | Monet | America devises the latest iphones, China makes them. |
| 19:01.18 | Imperios | ^ that |
| 19:04.24 | Monet | It's probably nitpicking and more narrative tool than anything but I jsut realised something abotu Naked Snake |
| 19:05.24 | Monet | But I'm reading that Snake was a Green Beret prior to joining FOXHOUND |
| 19:06.15 | Monet | http://image3.redbull.com/rbcom/010/2014-03-24/1331641391034_2/0010/1/550/366/2/naked-snake-metal-gear-solid-five.jpg But I get this distint feeling - this being 1964 - that at least *somoene* higher i nthe hcain would have told him "get a haircut you damn hippie!" |
| 19:06.26 | Monet | in the chain* |
| 19:06.38 | Imperios | The more I write about Alhassal, the less "Arab" they become and the they turn into some unholy hybrid of the Middle East, France and China |
| 19:08.32 | Monet | I'm not sure what division of the US military Snake was in during the 60s but his hair is *way* longer than the regulation. |
| 19:09.39 | Monet | So I guess it's best to say it's so we recognise him. |
| 19:12.14 | Monet | Though Raiden's case the mockery that he "looks like a girl" is undertandable in the regulation department. |
| 19:13.10 | Monet | Again, his hear is way too long to comply with regulation. |
| 19:18.25 | Xho | Oh boy I was meant to get on with my Gmod video today |
| 19:18.35 | Xho | Fell asleep instead, gg Xho |
| 19:18.38 | Monet | Rambling aside I find it hilarious imagining a Sgt. Hartman esque officer walkign up to Naked Snake and telling him "get a haircut man, you look like a damn hippie!" |
| 19:33.29 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/Cx6ZZqR.jpg - *gasp* look out guys! Its an arbitrary and ahistorical graph! |
| 19:34.42 | DrodoEmpire | Not to mention a bit eurocentric- China wasn't greatly affected by the so-called "Christian Dark Ages" much at all and continued to innovate :p |
| 19:34.58 | DrodoEmpire | The Islamic world flourished |
| 19:35.00 | Monet | That graph is old and dum |
| 19:35.04 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed |
| 19:35.35 | DrodoEmpire | Especially how it pins the blame on Christianity for the dark ages- that had little to do with it, it was the fall of the Western Roman Empire >.< |
| 19:35.43 | Monet | ANd implies the logic of the Rennaissance would have happened anyway. |
| 19:35.52 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:36.15 | Monet | Which is no guarentee since Rennaissance is French (I think) for "rebirth" |
| 19:36.35 | DrodoEmpire | On the contrary, it was Christianity and the monastic orders that emerged from it that helped to preserve the knowledge of the past after the dark ages >.< |
| 19:37.18 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: This graph like ignores kebab |
| 19:37.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, like I said its not only inaccurate its eurocentric |
| 19:37.36 | Imperios | Also |
| 19:37.44 | Imperios | Byzantine Empire plz |
| 19:37.45 | DrodoEmpire | China and the Islamic world continue to progress |
| 19:38.22 | Monet | Did the Byzantine Empire bring that much knowledge to the world? |
| 19:38.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah the Byzantines (which were *gasp* Christians!) were probably one of the more advanced European states because they so preserved classical knowledge so well |
| 19:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | They were, essentially, the Eastern Roman Empire |
| 19:38.57 | Monet | I know they preserved a lot of classical knowledge but did they develop much further? |
| 19:39.06 | Imperios | Well |
| 19:39.10 | DrodoEmpire | Not really... |
| 19:39.15 | Imperios | In terms of art I say they indeed stagnated |
| 19:39.31 | DrodoEmpire | They regressed a bit actually, but that was likely due to the hard times in general |
| 19:39.34 | Imperios | But their architecture is a big step forward |
| 19:39.37 | Imperios | *was |
| 19:39.45 | Imperios | Technology... |
| 19:39.54 | Imperios | Well there was that Greek fire of theirs |
| 19:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | (Their Imperial administration sorta devolved a bit into quasi-feudalism, and I think they stagnated technologically) |
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| 19:40.14 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Actually I think there's one thing this graph is right about - art |
| 19:40.36 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah perhaps |
| 19:40.45 | Imperios | The Christian and Islamic limitations on artistic expression did indeed throw sculpture and painting backwards |
| 19:40.48 | DrodoEmpire | But that's by accident |
| 19:40.53 | Imperios | What with not having any idols before you |
| 19:41.28 | Imperios | Christian authors consciously rejected realism because a realistic portrayal of Christ would be blasphemy and idolatry |
| 19:41.40 | Imperios | Same with all other Abrahamic religions |
| 19:42.03 | Imperios | Hence the Muhammad caricature scandals |
| 19:42.05 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 19:42.13 | Monet | Art is a little harder to define |
| 19:42.21 | Monet | as a graph like this |
| 19:42.29 | Hachiman | Is that why Christian Koreans portray Christ as being super buff |
| 19:42.55 | Imperios | Korean Christians are filthy Protestants ignore them plz |
| 19:43.03 | DrodoEmpire | Though the Islamic world *did* sorta work around this by developing a sophisticated art form in calligraphy, and I think Christians just sorta softened their stance |
| 19:43.15 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 19:43.46 | Monet | I consider the biggest art shake-up to be at the turn of the 20th century. |
| 19:43.48 | Imperios | Muslims had these... eh... |
| 19:43.52 | Imperios | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b2/09/ce/b209ce7d6146021301b2d29227ec31b1.jpg Tigers made of letters |
| 19:44.07 | Imperios | "I IS WORD TIGER, RAWR" |
| 19:44.07 | Hachiman | lmao isis tiger |
| 19:44.32 | DrodoEmpire | Didn't Iranians/Persians sorta continue on with their art tradition instead of adopting calligraphy full-on? |
| 19:44.45 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Yeah but their miniature art was private rather than public |
| 19:44.49 | DrodoEmpire | I see many pictures from like the Timurid period |
| 19:44.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 19:44.59 | Imperios | Basically their art moved into book illustrations |
| 19:45.08 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 19:45.15 | Imperios | It was a personal thing and hence did not break the idolatry rules |
| 19:45.28 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 19:46.02 | Imperios | Persians had a rather epic portrayal of Muhammad |
| 19:46.09 | DrodoEmpire | "I will *draw Muhammad*! But it will just be for me so its okay... <.<" |
| 19:46.15 | Imperios | To show his greatness they drew him constantly on fire |
| 19:46.15 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg |
| 19:46.40 | Imperios | https://dianadarke.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/islamic-art-muhammad-watching-demon-punish-shameless-women-in-hell-with-buraq-and-gabriel-who-have-shown-hair-to-strangers-are-strung-up-and-burnt-for-eternity-persian-15th-c.jpg |
| 19:46.42 | Monet | Still I think by the fact this Graph is aimed to bash Christianity, it purposely leaves out what was happeing in Asia and the Middle-East. |
| 19:46.42 | Hachiman | That's Muhammad in the process of going Super Saiyan |
| 19:46.49 | Hachiman | He's raising his power level |
| 19:47.03 | DrodoEmpire | when the squad hear about your new religion and its fire af >.> |
| 19:47.09 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Yeah its definitely from one of those dipshit antitheist types |
| 19:47.35 | Imperios | Hachiman: Super Saiyan Allah |
| 19:48.09 | Monet | I'm not sure how old it is but even as a graph it fails |
| 19:48.14 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:48.21 | Ghelaway | I remember seeing that graph at least four years ago. |
| 19:48.24 | Monet | How is scientific advancement measures? What are the variables? WHat are the factors? |
| 19:48.26 | Hachiman | That or Muhammad was the first firebender |
| 19:49.09 | Monet | The Y vector doesn't even have a solid form of grading. |
| 19:52.22 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.28 | Hachiman | I find it bothersome how most people will differentiate Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians but not Shia and Sunni Muslims |
| 19:53.32 | Hachiman | Or know there is even a difference |
| 19:54.12 | Monet | Agreed. |
| 19:54.40 | DrodoEmpire | It is, though the recent conflicts in the middle east have made the information more relevant knowledge I think |
| 19:54.51 | OluapPlayer | they're all the same thing, religions *fedoras tip* |
| 19:54.57 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 19:55.01 | Monet | I'm not quite sure o nthe differences myself but I know that to use them interchangebly is a big stupid. |
| 19:55.38 | DrodoEmpire | The divide between Sunni and Shia is mostly political- having to due with the succession of Muhammad after he left/died/whatever I believe |
| 19:56.03 | DrodoEmpire | The actual difference in rituals and beliefs are pretty small, mostly in regards with what to do when in prayer I believe |
| 19:56.50 | DrodoEmpire | Not *quite* the impenetrable sort of theological divides like that between Christian sects |
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| 20:09.16 | Xho | Going back to Islamic iconology we have a tile that has religious references on it in Arabic calligraphy |
| 20:11.24 | Xho | Can't quite remember what it says but I think it's the Basmala |
| 20:11.25 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Empire_of_Man/High_Kingdom_of_Alhassal#Government MORE ALHASSAL |
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| 20:25.29 | Hachiman | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p10knivMRg |
| 20:28.44 | Wormy_ | Sounds like the AI's been reading postmodernist journals. |
| 20:29.46 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 20:31.44 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Dem Neo-Nazis trying to justify Hitler being approving of Islam |
| 20:32.35 | Imperios | "He only had Muslim SS divisions because DEY WERE WHITE" |
| 20:33.48 | Xho | So it appears that the cars in this household are cursed |
| 20:34.05 | Xho | Both my car and my dad's car are in the garage because of some freak fault |
| 20:34.43 | Hachiman | Hitler had Muslim SS divisions? |
| 20:35.10 | Imperios | Aye |
| 20:35.10 | DrodoEmpire | Quite sure he did yes |
| 20:35.24 | DrodoEmpire | I think he also preferred Islam over Christianity as well but I'm unsure |
| 20:35.29 | Imperios | He also allied himself with the Palestinians against the Jews |
| 20:35.32 | Hachiman | Damn |
| 20:35.59 | Imperios | http://vridar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2014-07-26-MuftiandHitler.jpg "Dude let's bet who hates Jews more |
| 20:36.02 | Imperios | " |
| 20:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:37.23 | Imperios | Hachiman: He used these guys a lot in Russia http://cossac-awards.narod.ru/Legion/010-2.jpg |
| 20:41.31 | Monet | I think with a lot of Nazi Germany's allies, alliance = best friendship |
| 20:43.43 | Monet | With Japan and Italy, erman High Command had little interest in ruling the world with them at Germany's side. |
| 20:43.48 | Monet | German* |
| 20:47.04 | Imperios | Well it was obviously deception on Hitler's part |
| 20:47.27 | Imperios | But accepting that would force Neo-Nazis to accept that Hitler *gasp* wasn't perfect |
| 20:55.10 | Imperios | Hm |
| 20:55.11 | Imperios | Guys |
| 20:55.16 | Imperios | What do you think of my work on Alhassal so far |
| 20:55.22 | Imperios | I feel like it is a bit too overwrought |
| 20:59.14 | OluapPlayer | Not any more than any of your other pages |
| 21:00.27 | Imperios | "you suffer from extreme bias, not being White yourself" |
| 21:00.30 | Imperios | >extreme bias |
| 21:00.33 | Imperios | >Neo-Nazi |
| 21:03.20 | Monet | The hypocrisy is delicious. |
| 21:14.43 | Imperios | I wonder if these guys' overconfidence is some sort of defensive mechanism |
| 21:15.13 | Imperios | IRL the right-winger racists I know are actually quite shy and try to fit |
| 21:15.14 | Imperios | in |
| 21:16.03 | Monet | Typical keyboard warrior |
| 21:16.17 | Monet | Aggressive and outpsoken online, sky in real life |
| 21:22.47 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://i.imgur.com/63IL8l5.png |
| 21:23.15 | Xho | give your butt a good rub |
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| 21:37.40 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:38.56 | Monet | Tune in to Angry Joe's review of TMNT2 -> "THIS MOVIE IS COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID"...promising |
| 21:39.30 | Monet | Angry Joe is definitely angry lol. |
| 21:41.49 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:20.27 | Wormy_ | I wonder if donut-shaped plasma rings caused ring-shaped burns on victims. |
| 22:20.33 | Wormy_ | *cause |
| 22:25.23 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARAUDER |
| 22:32.23 | Monet | Interesting how quiet the Marauder project is |
| 22:33.09 | Monet | 13 years since an early prototype. Either it's been shelved or the US military is determined to make it work. |
| 22:35.08 | Monet | I think the last development project this hush-hush was the SR-71 Blackbird |
| 22:39.29 | Wormy_ | There's plenty more |
| 22:41.36 | Wormy_ | A bloke called Jeff Templin captured this a couple of years ago http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uYrE5IUseCQ/U1GeHrHUafI/AAAAAAABwOo/DwXChquJE2w/s1600/440x660.jpg |
| 22:42.00 | Wormy_ | It left a wavy contrail as it, a drone or manned craft appeared to be in trouble and was slowing own |
| 22:42.03 | Wormy_ | down |
| 22:42.09 | Wormy_ | USAF refused to comment |
| 22:44.23 | Monet | WHat year was that? |
| 22:44.38 | Monet | Looks like either a B-2 or a B-117. |
| 22:44.40 | Wormy_ | someone-else captured 3 in formation http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MSHJpTaZ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/k6svx6qz7ajofpub0qvt.jpg |
| 22:44.42 | Wormy_ | 2014 |
| 22:46.07 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure if they are in this case, i0f you look at those planes they still have wing-tips sticking out |
| 22:46.38 | Monet | They definitely have stealth profiles |
| 22:48.25 | Wormy_ | but it does look like that triangular drone of which I've forgotten the name |
| 22:48.58 | Wormy_ | Apparently they were travelling really fast |
| 22:49.48 | Monet | I can understand why the US military might not disclose to the public |
| 22:50.46 | Wormy_ | Here's one which has been exposed to the public but its missions are unknown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37 |
| 22:50.55 | Monet | Because TBF, these similar kinds of stories - strange profiles, extreme speed, strange behaviour, those stories were similarly passed aroudn when peopel spotted glimpses of the SR-71 while it was being tested |
| 22:51.03 | Wormy_ | Unmanned suborbital space plane I think |
| 22:51.24 | Wormy_ | And indeed the B-2 as well |
| 22:52.24 | Monet | While peopel do demand some degree of transparency with their governments...Military projects that's often out of the question |
| 22:52.35 | Monet | When the public knows, a nation's rivals *will* know. |
| 22:53.05 | Monet | Especially these days when a guy in China can read the headlines published by NBC or CNN |
| 22:54.08 | Xho | The B-2 looks like something out of a 1970s video game to me |
| 22:55.09 | Wormy_ | its awesome |
| 22:55.40 | Xho | "Number built: 21" |
| 22:55.41 | Xho | AAA |
| 22:56.16 | Wormy_ | http://gpx741k9ffd3p5zv840ulv3j.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/117_000719-F-0000D-004.jpg |
| 22:56.43 | Wormy_ | World Government comin to get you |
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