| 00:00.54 | dino82_ | hm?? |
| 00:01.07 | The_Randomness | hm |
| 00:03.53 | DrodoEmpire | hm... |
| 00:11.05 | The_Randomness | Charles_Murray Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire: I'll be on for the next few hours if you want to do any collabverse stuff |
| 00:11.12 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:34.41 | The_Randomness | tfw you close Stellaris by accident |
| 00:35.32 | Technobliterator | does it have autosave? |
| 00:35.35 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 00:41.28 | Technobliterator | oh, it's not as bad as accidentally closing FFX then |
| 00:41.30 | Technobliterator | I have done that before |
| 00:50.42 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:00.25 | Charles_Murray | Currently working on this : http://imgur.com/zj7JFvQ France's military preparedness |
| 01:00.48 | The_Randomness | I see |
| 01:00.53 | Charles_Murray | Anything you guys think I should add? I'm thinking of a "war weariness" or "war enthusiasm" category |
| 01:01.05 | The_Randomness | No, I think that's sufficient |
| 01:11.23 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ Monet Tek0516 Wormy_gaming Cyrannian : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Military Dere |
| 01:11.25 | Charles_Murray | I made a thing |
| 01:11.42 | dino82_ | oh! |
| 01:12.12 | Cyrannian | Very nice, I really like the Key relationships sections |
| 01:12.16 | Cyrannian | *section |
| 01:12.32 | Charles_Murray | I worked hard on that :D Thank you |
| 01:12.47 | Charles_Murray | dino82_ : Your uniform post inspired me |
| 01:13.13 | dino82_ | neat section! I like it! |
| 01:13.16 | dino82_ | Oh thanks Charles :D |
| 01:15.21 | dino82_ | honored that it inspired you! |
| 01:16.30 | Charles_Murray | Odd that when I see a lighthearted picture of a uniform I begin to think about grand military strategy and the logistics of military readiness |
| 01:16.45 | dino82_ | haha idd |
| 01:16.51 | Charles_Murray | I've been wanting to make the French page as visual as possible as I write it |
| 01:16.52 | Wormy_gaming | Wow, looks really nice |
| 01:17.04 | Charles_Murray | Thanks Wormy! |
| 01:17.45 | Charles_Murray | Does the visual language make sense? |
| 01:19.42 | dino82_ | yeah |
| 01:21.12 | Wormy_gaming | Not sure what the green and red signify, whether they are active? |
| 01:22.47 | Charles_Murray | Light green indicates France's current state |
| 01:22.59 | Charles_Murray | dark green are the states which have been surpassed |
| 01:23.09 | Charles_Murray | Red are the states which haven't been attained yet |
| 01:30.19 | Wormy_gaming | I see |
| 01:35.31 | Charles_Murray | Would it help to remove the dark green? |
| 01:37.58 | Cyrannian | brb |
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| 01:42.55 | DrodoEmpire | Where is the uniform thing dino82_? |
| 01:48.05 | dino82_ | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/10/Sia_%28Cadet%29lARGE.png/revision/latest?cb=20160622233528 here it is |
| 01:49.09 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:49.35 | DrodoEmpire | Looks pretty good |
| 01:50.34 | dino82_ | thanks :D |
| 01:51.04 | DrodoEmpire | So uniforms change depending on military readiness? |
| 01:51.18 | DrodoEmpire | Is this a normal doctrinal thing or is it a uniform update in general? |
| 01:53.47 | dino82_ | no it is a new uniform after a new view of Rambo Command, so a general update in general |
| 01:53.59 | dino82_ | if doctrinal a weapon would be added or flack vests |
| 01:54.12 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, makes sense |
| 01:54.14 | dino82_ | just a revamp for uniforms, this is their cadet uniform |
| 01:59.24 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CljZglBWQAANd3F.jpg:large - <.< |
| 02:07.14 | dino82_ | bye bye all |
| 02:31.56 | The_Randomness | rip everyone |
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| 11:49.05 | Technobliterator | I voted \o/ |
| 11:51.14 | Hachiman | Good job |
| 11:55.21 | Technobliterator | It was a good job indeed |
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| 12:00.53 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:02.51 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:03.55 | Wormy_ | :3 dugs https://twitter.com/hashtag/dogsatpollingstations?src=tren |
| 12:07.10 | Wormy_ | This is awesome, machine turns bee vibrations into music, and constantly changes based on bee activity http://www.kew.org/visit-kew-gardens/explore/attractions/hive |
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| 12:16.23 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: There is this Xeelee story called "The Seer and the Silvermen" which is like something out of Doctor Who |
| 12:16.31 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 12:17.42 | Wormy_ | Basically its an ancient community the Coalition contacts where Ghosts and Humanity have lived together in relative peace. But during the Ghost wars and the appearence of the Coalition, the Ghosts became marginalised. Then people, infant to elderly, started being abducted |
| 12:18.11 | Wormy_ | Coinciding with the abduction were short featureless man-like creatures covered head to foot in ghost hide |
| 12:18.22 | Wormy_ | That started appearing at random |
| 12:19.21 | Wormy_ | They just walk around and observe (and are pretty dumb), don't mind being prodded by children for example |
| 12:19.38 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 12:20.27 | Wormy_ | People obviously got suspicious of the Silvermen so would hem them into corners of rooms, or give them setience collars to make them suffer |
| 12:21.20 | Wormy_ | Ghosts sort of reveal that they are trying to learn about what motivates humanity, not just in mind but in body as well, so build a creature anatomically similar to ourselves |
| 12:22.15 | Wormy_ | Despite being super-advanced the Ghosts were reather incapable of understanding us or putting up a defense |
| 12:23.08 | Wormy_ | They can be killed easily by a human with a knife and flocks of ghosts flee pathetically |
| 12:24.39 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 12:24.48 | Hachiman | What are Ghosts made of? |
| 12:26.19 | Wormy_ | Well, they look like spheres of silvery chrome. Inside is a whole ecosystem of creatures. Originally the Ghosts were one species, but their sun died and their planet froze over. The Ghosts obsessed with conserving heat, so covered their bodies and their ecosystems in this smart silvery hide |
| 12:26.59 | Wormy_ | Silver rather than black, because although black absorbs more heat, it also releases heat more quickly |
| 12:27.53 | Wormy_ | The Ghosts also obsessed with almost religious conviction to fix the universe, which they perceive as flawed. So they often meddle with the laws of physics |
| 12:29.44 | Wormy_ | The hide is smart, alive, and can withstand the vacuum of space or tremendous heat and cold (there's one story where they conduct experiments deep in a star) |
| 12:30.09 | Wormy_ | It can also seem to open up at will, when they want to feed |
| 12:30.22 | Wormy_ | usually on moud |
| 12:30.24 | Wormy_ | *mud |
| 12:31.33 | Monet | Yummy nutritious mod |
| 12:33.59 | Monet | I'll be back in a little bit. Have a couple of things to do |
| 12:36.16 | Wormy_ | They'd love Glastonbury |
| 12:38.14 | Monet | They'll just need to be careful of the broken syringes and discarded cigarettes mixed into the mud. |
| 12:38.21 | Hachiman | Aye hur |
| 12:38.25 | Hachiman | Ghosts sound pretty strange |
| 12:38.36 | Monet | Actually that'd be pretty funny; a silver ghost stoning itself after eating Glastonbury mud. |
| 12:42.20 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 12:42.44 | Wormy_ | Huh, never thought of it that way http://imgur.com/gallery/8xCF9 |
| 12:43.17 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 12:43.42 | Hachiman | I really need to get into Pratchett's work |
| 12:44.33 | Wormy_ | I've always wanted to read The Carpet People |
| 12:46.28 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/DCzJr |
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| 12:48.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 12:49.07 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/tPk6b |
| 12:49.09 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:52.11 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/t27I50i.jpg |
| 12:52.37 | Wormy_ | hur |
| 12:56.45 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, here's something I've wondered |
| 12:57.19 | DrodoEmpire | How would nations that have many different species manage their military? |
| 12:58.08 | DrodoEmpire | Now, of course, if every species is for the most part humanoid (or whatever else) it wouldn't be a big issue, but consider a state like the DI |
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| 12:58.55 | DrodoEmpire | Do you only allow some species to serve (in the frontlines at least)? Do you deal with the inevitable logistical problems to make use of every species' potential skills? |
| 12:59.12 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: I would take a look at the Covenant Empire's military |
| 12:59.57 | DrodoEmpire | True- they dealt with inevitable logistics issues to make use of every species' skills |
| 13:00.12 | Hachiman | I do not even feel like they had many logistical issues |
| 13:00.24 | Hachiman | Could you expand on what you mean by that? |
| 13:00.26 | DrodoEmpire | Probably because we didn't *see* that part of the war |
| 13:01.31 | DrodoEmpire | Well, logistics, as in supplying the troops with clothing, armour, ammunition, and weapons, moving fresh troops to the front and wounded or those on leave off of the front, being able to treat those wounded and replace broken arms/vehicles, etc. |
| 13:01.37 | DrodoEmpire | Its 80% of the war |
| 13:02.11 | Hachiman | Well, ammunition is not too much of a problem for the Covenant because energy weapons |
| 13:02.17 | DrodoEmpire | And if you tons of different species, with different needs, diets, medical procedures, shapes and sizes, its like having ten different services rifles with ten different cartridges |
| 13:02.30 | DrodoEmpire | *service rifles |
| 13:03.40 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but now you have a bajillion different forms of armour and uniform which're probably more expensive than the weapons- you also need medical staff skilled enough and supplied enough to treat several different species |
| 13:03.56 | OluapPlayer | Why get so worked out, it's just a videogame |
| 13:04.15 | DrodoEmpire | ...Because its fun to talk about, and makes for a good example of a fictionverse question? |
| 13:04.30 | OluapPlayer | How is this fun in any way hur |
| 13:05.01 | DrodoEmpire | Its fun to me, because I enjoy military history |
| 13:05.08 | Hachiman | It's shown that despite having a variety of species, they can handle most of the standard equipment and weaponry supplied by Covenant manufacturers - many use the same sidearms and grenades for example, with some sharing use of the larger firearms; even humans can manage Covenant weapons when they get ahold of them |
| 13:05.09 | DrodoEmpire | I don't really care if you think otherwise |
| 13:05.19 | Hachiman | So there must be something in how they are designed to work between species |
| 13:05.32 | OluapPlayer | Sheesh |
| 13:05.34 | OluapPlayer | Okay then |
| 13:05.39 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah they did definitely manage the weapons problem well |
| 13:05.40 | Hachiman | Bit rude Drodo |
| 13:06.18 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sorry Oluap, but at the same time you said yourself that is subject was boring and I shouldn't talk about it because its a videogame |
| 13:06.26 | DrodoEmpire | And I found that a bit rude |
| 13:06.31 | DrodoEmpire | *that this |
| 13:06.35 | OluapPlayer | Don't put words in my mouth. I asked what was the appeal of it |
| 13:06.39 | OluapPlayer | I ddin't order you to stop talking |
| 13:07.12 | DrodoEmpire | I didn't say you ordered me, sorry it came off that way |
| 13:07.19 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, I was a bit offended too is the point |
| 13:07.49 | Hachiman | I should probably clear up that the talk was about how nations consisting of multiple alien species organise their military efficiently |
| 13:07.56 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 13:07.58 | Hachiman | And I brought up the Covenant as an example |
| 13:08.03 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 13:09.03 | DrodoEmpire | Still though Hachi, they definitely did do well in terms of weapons, but is there any evidence that other items and armour are also cross-species? (I genuinely don't know, its been too long since I played Halo >.<) |
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| 13:10.53 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 13:10.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 13:11.31 | DrodoEmpire | It may be a safe assumption they've standardized rations and food- which would be a *huge* logistical challenge |
| 13:12.12 | DrodoEmpire | Either way it might be true that the Covenant represent a best-case scenario regarding a multispecies military |
| 13:12.28 | Hachiman | I know that Grunts need a bit of special treatment because they cannot breath oxygen like the other Covenant species but their dietary needs are not as complex or demanding as others |
| 13:12.36 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 13:13.09 | AdmiralPanda | all grunts need is happy gas and food nipples |
| 13:13.36 | Hachiman | Regarding armour, I am not entirely certain but then most species do not rely on the actual armour materials to stay defended - their armour sets come with built-in force fields or something like that |
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| 13:15.50 | DrodoEmpire | Right, and energy shields are probably easier to standardize and thus supply |
| 13:16.04 | Hachiman | If anything, supplying Grunts is the most demanding thing; their military gear is required to actually have life support systems built into them and Grunts are perhaps the most common Covenant species behind Drones |
| 13:16.09 | Hachiman | Who do not really need armour at all |
| 13:16.12 | AdmiralPanda | only Elites and Jackals actually have energy shield tech, grunts are SOL and brutes don't really use it with few exceptions |
| 13:16.13 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 13:16.20 | Hachiman | Right |
| 13:16.34 | AdmiralPanda | elites having full-body shields and jackals having their gauntlets |
| 13:16.35 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 13:17.03 | Hachiman | Supplying Jackals with armour in that case is not a big deal since they do have a shield dependency |
| 13:18.43 | Hachiman | I think the most difficult thing to overcome would be dietary plans and medical treatment |
| 13:19.02 | Hachiman | Although Sangheili kind of refuse medical treatment because of cultural stuff |
| 13:19.25 | MonetAway | I imagine for the Covenant a life-support system for the Grunts is easy to provide. |
| 13:19.28 | AdmiralPanda | brb |
| 13:19.59 | DrodoEmpire | Think of the number of Grunts though |
| 13:20.04 | MonetAway | Doesn't look that much more complex than SCUBA gear to me; a gas mask, methane supply. |
| 13:20.10 | Hachiman | True |
| 13:20.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: Yeah food is hard enough to supply with a *single* species |
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| 13:21.00 | MonetAway | They don't appear to need much more life support than a different form of air. But I agree with the concern of dietary requirements. |
| 13:21.03 | Hachiman | Elites believe that losing blood outside of combat is severely dishonourable so they outright refuse medical treatment unless absolutely necessary, Grunts are so expendable I do not think medical treatment is a thing for them |
| 13:21.14 | DrodoEmpire | RIght |
| 13:21.32 | AdmiralPanda_ | with grunts, most of their armour is actually life-support system, and in a couple of the novels it's stated that occupation forces have to set up sealed barracks for the grunts complete with airlocks |
| 13:22.38 | Hachiman | Also apparently Covenant species are known to eat each other on occasion |
| 13:22.59 | Hachiman | Brutes, Jackals, and Grunts specifically |
| 13:23.09 | DrodoEmpire | Must not be great for morale. >.< |
| 13:23.51 | Hachiman | As far as I know, most members of the Covenant either eat meat or are omnivorous |
| 13:26.23 | Hachiman | Also, the Covenant possess a thing called an "automated surgery suite", which is controlled by an AI |
| 13:26.42 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 13:26.45 | Hachiman | Otherwise, their medical treatment is lacking |
| 13:26.59 | MonetAway | If Covenant species eat each other does that mean they can eat each others' food? |
| 13:27.06 | Hachiman | I imagine so |
| 13:27.37 | Hachiman | Probably needs a fair bit of alteration in order to not get sick though |
| 13:28.20 | Hachiman | Also, Drodo, I should note that most vehicles can be driven by practically any member of the Covenant |
| 13:28.37 | Hachiman | Probably using the same means of how weapons can be universally used between them |
| 13:29.19 | AdmiralPanda_ | such as a trigger :P |
| 13:29.45 | Hachiman | Well I mean, there is that, but each species has a different hand structure |
| 13:30.07 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 13:30.19 | DrodoEmpire | So in all they've surmounted many logistical challenges |
| 13:30.25 | Hachiman | Yeah, seems so |
| 13:31.45 | Hachiman | The thing about the Covenant though, which is a significant point, is that their technology is imitative - not innovative |
| 13:32.24 | Hachiman | So in many areas, they are lacking because they do not have many creative minds |
| 13:33.35 | MonetAway | Yeah. While they can churn out plazma technology very easily, the tech they do churn out is woefully inefficient. |
| 13:34.03 | Hachiman | Either inefficient, incomplete, or outdated |
| 13:34.05 | Hachiman | Or all three |
| 13:34.15 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/85XiMbp |
| 13:34.17 | MonetAway | All it's taken for UNSC scientists ot make something better is a few optimisations. |
| 13:35.05 | AdmiralPanda_ | that is mostly due to the religious connotations of Forerunner tech rather than ineptitude, though |
| 13:35.10 | Hachiman | True |
| 13:35.22 | AdmiralPanda_ | the Adeptus Mechanicus face the same issue |
| 13:35.30 | Hachiman | Also how fucking difficult it seems to be to find complete Forerunner tech to imitate |
| 13:35.56 | Monet | So the best they can manage is getting half-effective Forerunner tech to work |
| 13:36.09 | Hachiman | Half-effective, reverse-engineered Forerunner tech |
| 13:36.27 | Monet | Like trying to get a car working when half of it is rusted over and the best you can do is guess what the parts should look like. |
| 13:36.46 | Hachiman | Essentially filling in the blanks |
| 13:37.19 | Hachiman | Even then, I think most of the technology they scavenge from the Forerunners is actually from their declining era |
| 13:38.18 | Monet | Probably. WHat they find is either locked in a vault or simply left lying around. |
| 13:38.31 | Monet | The latter would imply it was dropped and forgotten. |
| 13:42.21 | Monet | I am reminded of one of Altair's journal notes over the Apple of Eden. Where he wondered if the Assassins and Templars could have been fighting over what might have essentially alien rubbish. |
| 13:42.30 | Monet | The stuff the alliens simply threw away. |
| 13:42.53 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 13:43.13 | Hachiman | Although I think it is clear that the Apple was quite important to the First Civilisation or whatever they're called |
| 13:43.43 | Monet | It was |
| 13:44.19 | Monet | But this idea was something Altair still wondered given it's potential t ohave been some kind of trinket |
| 13:44.50 | Monet | COme to think of it kind of like how disposable some phones are getting. |
| 13:46.30 | Hachiman | kINDA |
| 13:46.30 | Monet | Or things like burner phones. |
| 13:46.32 | Hachiman | Whoops caps |
| 13:47.13 | Monet | In the latter regard; the potential existed that the Apple in Altair's hands could have been some outdated model. |
| 13:47.46 | Monet | He just didn't know. |
| 13:50.54 | Monet | In the end though I think the idea of the entry was Altair was entertaining the possibility that something like the Apple might have been a trivial device to the First Civilisation. |
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| 14:05.44 | OluapPlayer | Hachi asked to say he's gone afk |
| 14:09.37 | Monet | Watching Newsbeat play that Star Trek bridge game |
| 14:10.10 | Monet | It's not a cooperative combat experience unless someone's screaming "we're all gonna die!" XD |
| 14:11.18 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 14:12.33 | Monet | Actually reminds me of one line from the original Dawn of War |
| 14:12.55 | Monet | If broken, you can get Orks screaming "WE'Z ALL GUNNA DAIII!!" |
| 14:23.22 | Wormy_ | Speaking of Ork-type creatures. I stand by my opinion that most Super Muties are dumb. I love fighting them, because they blow themselves up all the time. |
| 14:23.48 | Wormy_ | I got confronted by three charging at me and all died from a missile shot by another mutant |
| 14:23.59 | Wormy_ | It was a LOL moment |
| 14:29.37 | Monet | Yeah..they are bit dumb. |
| 14:41.29 | Monet | They admittedly do act a lot llike orcs. |
| 14:44.46 | OluapPlayer | They're essentially the setting's equivalent of orcs |
| 14:47.53 | Monet | Green-ish skin, angry, shouty, use junk or cobbled-together weapons. |
| 14:47.57 | Monet | Quite orky yeah. |
| 14:48.31 | Hachiman | Right, back for a little bit |
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| 14:49.23 | Monet | Funny how the BoS in 4 is a bit more space-marine-ey |
| 14:53.05 | Wormy_ | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13512026_10206002315433119_4892084060324805263_n.jpg?oh=0c7b6a5e5236b7a0c514f3ec030ff3fb&oe=580BC4AF |
| 14:53.08 | Wormy_ | XD |
| 14:55.27 | Monet | Not grammar-checked |
| 14:55.28 | Monet | Not good |
| 14:56.23 | Monet | ...is it asking for several years epxerience or is it providing several years experience? |
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| 15:40.38 | Monet | That is awesome |
| 15:42.38 | Wormy_ | "Poland going into space but never coming back" http://i.imgur.com/peg2PKu.png |
| 15:44.03 | Monet | "Italy..well its still italy" |
| 15:45.12 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/zxGOEOp.jpg |
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| 15:58.03 | Tek0516 | Ugh. I have two classes I need to register for but they have scheduling conflicts. >.< |
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| 15:59.56 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 15:59.56 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
| 16:00.09 | Cyrannian | ~smash OluapPlayer |
| 16:00.09 | infobot | ACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction |
| 16:43.22 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Cyrannian#Polls - Added some new polls |
| 16:48.01 | Monet | Tyro and Apol are a little distracting. |
| 16:48.50 | Cyrannian | I can't seem to fix their position, on some browsers it's just the top of their heads |
| 16:49.33 | Monet | On lower resolutions I just see Apol. |
| 16:49.48 | Monet | Like on 720p |
| 16:52.05 | Cyrannian | I think I'll just get rid of it |
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| 16:57.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 16:57.24 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 17:04.29 | Cyrannian | brb |
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| 17:06.14 | Hachiman | Back |
| 17:07.41 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:07.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 17:11.49 | DrodoEmpire | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/061/439/e83.jpg - Age of Empires II: Age of Kangs n sheit |
| 17:15.53 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 17:20.40 | OluapPlayer | The IRC is terrible today |
| 17:20.48 | OluapPlayer | Keeps disconnecting |
| 17:23.05 | Tek0516 | Two phone calls later I've still got no working schedule for university. And I'm literally just registering for a block of pre-determined courses. -.- |
| 17:24.31 | Hachiman | You're fucking kidding; there was sunshine earlier, then heavy rain for a few hours - including lightning and thunder -, and now the Sun is starting to come back through again |
| 17:25.02 | Technobliterator | Imp said he would be on today |
| 17:25.03 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 17:25.54 | Monet | Hachiman: English weather. |
| 17:30.37 | Wormy_away | "He didn't unlock that part of the city yet." http://imgur.com/gallery/7eTTcBv |
| 17:31.26 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/rn1wjA2 |
| 17:32.03 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 17:48.48 | Wormy_away | I want to believe Air Force One has an escape pod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR_p57KdN8M |
| 17:50.13 | Monet | Isn't the core of AF1 designed to be like a flying bunker? |
| 17:50.30 | Monet | Or a room-sized black box? |
| 17:51.51 | Wormy_away | Apparentely its denied, but of course the plane's security features are secret |
| 17:52.02 | Wormy_away | *its been denied |
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| 18:02.50 | Hellrock | Hi everyone. |
| 18:03.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 18:03.57 | Hellrock | Quick question |
| 18:04.25 | Monet | okay |
| 18:04.45 | Hellrock | Can the Ambox content image be used for minor fiction purposes, like as an image for relationships with other empires? |
| 18:04.47 | Hellrock | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ambox_content.png |
| 18:05.36 | Wormy_away | Yes |
| 18:06.35 | Hellrock | k |
| 18:08.33 | Wormy_away | Monet: The Soyuz rockets have a safety mechanism that actually came in action once if the rocket explodes, where the crewed module can become an escape pod. |
| 18:09.52 | Wormy_away | "At the tip of the Soyuz rocket is an engine that can be activated instantaneously to eject the module in which the astronauts are located. This was used twice, in 1975, when two Russian astronauts landed safely after bailing out when their Soyuz hit trouble a few minutes into the flight, and in 1983 when another two-man crew ejected after the rocket burst into flames at the launch-pad. " |
| 18:10.18 | Wormy_away | http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s841626.htm |
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| 19:01.08 | Hachiman | Hi Tree |
| 19:02.31 | Treebeard | Hello Hachi |
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| 19:59.34 | Monet | Hello |
| 20:02.32 | Technobliterator | Damnit, where's Xho when you need him |
| 20:02.49 | Technobliterator | Oh, Monet, do you know how to work with 3D models? |
| 20:03.12 | Monet | To an extent. |
| 20:03.19 | Technobliterator | Alright, so |
| 20:03.37 | Technobliterator | do you know how to pose them a certain way, if they're already ripped and downloaded? |
| 20:04.16 | Monet | The model should have a skeleton inside it. |
| 20:05.19 | Technobliterator | hm |
| 20:05.32 | Technobliterator | What software do you use to work with models? |
| 20:05.41 | Monet | Autodesk Maya. |
| 20:05.56 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 20:05.59 | Technobliterator | I probably can't afford that |
| 20:06.14 | Monet | I have a student license. |
| 20:08.50 | Monet | Drom has experience with Blender. |
| 20:10.35 | drom | Oh yeah I do |
| 20:11.10 | drom | Although it has become rusty nowadays |
| 20:11.33 | drom | Blame that on my life |
| 20:13.49 | drom | Damnit |
| 20:13.57 | drom | Where did my raspberry pi box go? |
| 20:16.27 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 20:16.35 | Technobliterator | it doesn't even have all the models anyway |
| 20:16.36 | Technobliterator | meh |
| 20:17.25 | drom | Technobliterator: I know right, colladaexport sucks |
| 20:18.58 | drom | Also, please... |
| 20:19.03 | drom | Call those "models" meshes |
| 20:19.40 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray Charles_Bot: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1466693822-20160623.png |
| 20:22.27 | drom | brb going out to look for my raspberry pi in my 5 moving boxes. |
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| 20:26.29 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 20:27.47 | Monet | hi |
| 20:28.04 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 20:41.15 | drom | Found it |
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| 21:14.39 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:19.27 | The_Randomness | Charles_Murray Charles_Bot DrodoEmpire: Sorry to be a bother, but do you guys think you'll be available later for collabverse stuff? |
| 21:45.09 | The_Randomness | wb |
| 21:48.05 | drom | Steam sale is on now |
| 21:48.22 | The_Randomness | I heard |
| 21:49.05 | Hachiman | So, I learned something today |
| 21:49.56 | Hachiman | Referendums are not legally binding in the UK; to follow the result of them is advisory, but not mandatory |
| 21:50.13 | Hachiman | So the British Government could decide against whatever the majority vote is |
| 21:51.09 | Charles_Murray | Right, but that would give the conservatives reason to oust Cameron and install someone who will follow the result of the vote |
| 21:52.13 | Hachiman | Why would it when, from what I have seen, most Tories are Remainers anyway? |
| 21:52.15 | Monet | That approach of defying the referendum outcome is what Greece tried doing. |
| 21:52.18 | Charles_Murray | They're not -legally- binding, but the consequences are lined up in such a way that Cameron has no out if he wants to remain as Prime Minister |
| 21:52.34 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Ehhh, not -reall-y |
| 21:52.54 | Charles_Murray | It was a mess, but a completely different kind of mess from what Hachi is suggesting |
| 21:53.51 | Monet | I am losing memory of the event |
| 21:53.58 | Charles_Murray | Hachiman : The conservative party is split; in order to win the referendum, the conservatives are going to need the pro-remain labour vote, and they're not very enthusiastic about it |
| 21:54.49 | Monet | I mostly remember Tsipras and his government wasn't so popular after they pushed reforms that the EU wanted after much of the Greek population voted against more European intervention. |
| 21:55.36 | Monet | Reforms that as I understood could have been implemented in January of that year had Syriza not been so focused on kicking up a fuss. |
| 21:55.37 | Charles_Murray | Right, though the referendum was meant originally as a demonstration of Greece's willingness to walk, and to reject the EU's terms. |
| 21:55.53 | Hachiman | Sweden did it before; there was a referendum surrounding changing the sides of the roads that Swedes drove on to match those crossing into their borders from Norway and Finland; 83% voted to keep the conditions as they were at the time but the Swedish Government ignored them and changed sides anyway |
| 21:56.26 | Hachiman | Under the justification that defying the people would be best for the people when stacked against the facts that their current road conditions were causing accidents on the borders |
| 21:57.01 | Charles_Murray | Monet : The EU didn't budge, and due to the reality of the situation regarding Greece's debt forced the government to accept even harsher terms than had been proposed in the referendum |
| 21:57.21 | Charles_Murray | Which took a huge toll on the left's legitimacy in Greece |
| 21:58.25 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.12 | Charles_Murray | Hachiman : I'm not sure what happened there, but there's a lot that goes into these sorts of political situations; not just the referendum result. The referendum in Britain isn't just about switching the side of the road people drive on, it's tied up with issues of national identity, of the economic well-being of the average person, of humiliation and prestige, etc |
| 21:59.19 | Hachiman | Wormy_ : No offense, but Google Translate is absolutely awful |
| 21:59.20 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.28 | Monet | How good are Google Translate's portuguese translation algorithms? |
| 21:59.44 | Hachiman | You would have to ask Oluap |
| 21:59.51 | Charles_Murray | Which means that people are -very- invested in the result, and the parties have maneuvered in such a way that backing out of the result is politically impossible |
| 22:00.01 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.36 | drom | Monet Hachiman Wormy_: Translate few snippets from random works and send them to Oluap, and then count how many strokes he get from reading the translations. |
| 22:00.37 | Hachiman | Also, can I add that people who give non-voters shit for not voting and "making excuses instead of change" need to get their heads out of their asses |
| 22:01.16 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.00 | Charles_Murray | SPEAK AMURICAN |
| 22:02.05 | Monet | drom: There's also the slight issue that this guy uses mainland Portuguese while Oluap speaks Brazillian portuguese |
| 22:02.27 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 22:02.47 | drom | Charles_Murray: Speak Canadian |
| 22:02.55 | drom | Speak British |
| 22:03.03 | Monet | I'm no expert but the difference *might* be a little more complicated than English vs American English. |
| 22:03.06 | Charles_Murray | Speak Australian |
| 22:03.18 | Wormy_ | Speak KKLINGON |
| 22:03.18 | drom | Speak New Zealandish |
| 22:03.26 | Charles_Murray | Speak Indian |
| 22:03.36 | Wormy_ | Speak Hutsi |
| 22:03.38 | drom | Speak Scottish |
| 22:04.16 | drom | Speak Esperanto |
| 22:04.19 | Monet | Also with this referendum things might be different than Sweden as the eyes of the world are upon the outcome. |
| 22:04.28 | Wormy_ | Speak Klekkian Cuniform |
| 22:04.37 | Monet | Which means more pressure for Westminster. |
| 22:05.32 | Hachiman | According to Oluap, the guy we are talking about is not speaking mainland Portuguese |
| 22:05.35 | Hachiman | He is Brazilian |
| 22:05.51 | Wormy_ | ACtually, I recall he said he did |
| 22:05.57 | drom | Swedish politics also run on both "who cares lol" and political correctness |
| 22:06.07 | Charles_Murray | Monet : The British are voting for their own reasons, whether the world is watching or not won't really influence the outcome or the British government's reaction |
| 22:06.36 | Charles_Murray | Monet: Ultimately, the elected British government is beholden to its MP's, who are in turn elected by the voters. |
| 22:07.57 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 22:08.20 | Monet | Charles_Murray: It's not going to influence the outcome or hwo the British government reacts, no. |
| 22:09.42 | Hachiman | His opinion on the matter is that if this guy is being uncooperative, he is likely uninterested, and that he is dense for not speaking English on an English website |
| 22:10.17 | Monet | The beautiful thing about democracy when it works well is that a public shitstorm is something best avoided. |
| 22:10.43 | drom | Wormy_: Best part of pictures taken in Sweden is the details easily recognized as exclusive to Sweden, if not shared by Norway and Swedo-Finland already |
| 22:11.05 | Monet | This is one of those times that sweeping the truth under the rug...kind of hard to do smoothly. |
| 22:13.46 | drom | Oooh |
| 22:13.47 | drom | This is new |
| 22:15.30 | drom | Some remote region has made an experiment by construction overhead wiring over a motorväg (motorway, high way, whatever..) for trucks. They just recently opened it. |
| 22:15.33 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.17 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.10 | Hachiman | He likely won't respond in English |
| 22:18.20 | Hachiman | Brazilians are kind of apathetic like that; Oluap can tell you |
| 22:19.01 | Wormy_ | Thats his problem then, as far as I'm concerned I've given him the easiest option to communicate with us in the fiction universe |
| 22:19.21 | Wormy_ | Imperfect but still better than doing it by the book |
| 22:22.59 | Technobliterator | <Hachiman> Also, can I add that people who give non-voters shit for not voting and "making excuses instead of change" need to get their heads out of their asses |
| 22:23.03 | Technobliterator | I totally agree with this |
| 22:23.21 | Technobliterator | If voters are disenfranchised, it's the fault of the politicans running and the ones in power, not their fault for being lazy |
| 22:23.34 | Technobliterator | Or they're just legitimately not interested |
| 22:23.56 | Monet | Not voting is not taking part i nthe democratic process. |
| 22:24.00 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 22:24.05 | Hachiman | Like, good job, voter; hope you realise that you didn't change shit either if your side loses |
| 22:24.06 | Technobliterator | And what if you don't want to? |
| 22:24.21 | The_Randomness | Then don't bitch and moan when you say you weren't represented |
| 22:24.44 | Technobliterator | Uh |
| 22:24.45 | The_Randomness | Because *you* made a conscious decision to not vote, and therefore not be represented |
| 22:24.53 | Technobliterator | That's a hell of an assumption to make that the non-voter is doing that |
| 22:26.10 | Monet | non-voting gets dangerous when thousands of people at a time do it. |
| 22:26.15 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 22:26.29 | Technobliterator | But what if they just didn't want to vote? |
| 22:26.32 | The_Randomness | And it is their fault for not voting |
| 22:26.36 | Technobliterator | What if they just didn't like their options? |
| 22:26.39 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 22:27.00 | Hachiman | I hope you realise how misinformative, biased, and confusing our referendum has been |
| 22:27.06 | Hachiman | That's not *my* fault |
| 22:27.07 | The_Randomness | I'm not talking about this |
| 22:27.12 | Technobliterator | He's talking in general |
| 22:27.42 | Technobliterator | But I do not agree, as someone who voted today myself, that it's fair to harp on at non-voters |
| 22:28.12 | Technobliterator | They may have simply disliked their options, and consciously conceded that they would be happy with none of them, and just decided to let the process play out |
| 22:28.16 | Technobliterator | I don't think that's unfair |
| 22:28.50 | Monet | The issue with this referendum is...what possible alternative is there between "stay i nthe EU" and "leave the EU"? |
| 22:29.04 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 22:29.08 | Technobliterator | the referendum? |
| 22:29.09 | The_Randomness | I hate to sound like this, but I actually don't have the time for this |
| 22:29.16 | The_Randomness | I have raid starting now >_> |
| 22:29.17 | Hachiman | Then why are you here? |
| 22:29.20 | Technobliterator | Well, if there are two options |
| 22:29.31 | Monet | I can understand Hachi's point with the general elections. |
| 22:29.36 | Technobliterator | then I think the same can still apply |
| 22:29.51 | Technobliterator | I don't think it's fair to force people to vote if they do not feel like they know enough, though |
| 22:30.06 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 22:30.17 | Technobliterator | I agree with Random that they are in no place to bitch and moan if they get the result they didn't want, though :p |
| 22:30.26 | Technobliterator | That's when it's just legit entitlement |
| 22:30.50 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 22:30.53 | Technobliterator | which I assume is probably the point that was being made anyway |
| 22:30.55 | Hachiman | It's not been very clearly defined what is going to happen whether we leave or leave, though; that's why so many people are torn up by just two "simple" options |
| 22:31.04 | Hachiman | *leave or stay |
| 22:31.19 | Technobliterator | the thing is, lots of the undecideds in these referendums tend to go for the status qup |
| 22:31.55 | Hachiman | All that has been spouted are "could-be's" and "what-if's" rather than actual concrete, solid statements beyond "we stay" or "we leave" |
| 22:32.31 | Technobliterator | Well, that's exactly the criticism that lots of people made of the Leave campaign |
| 22:32.45 | Monet | Hachi may be talking about both sides. |
| 22:32.49 | Technobliterator | With the Remain campaign, we do know, nothing changes |
| 22:32.51 | Technobliterator | I know that he is |
| 22:32.51 | Hachiman | I feel this referendum has actually been handled quite poorly in that regard because it comes off to me that nobody actually knows what the fuck they are voting for |
| 22:33.03 | Technobliterator | But I think it applies far more to the campaign against the status quo than for it |
| 22:33.03 | Hachiman | They just draw their own conclusions |
| 22:33.21 | Hachiman | And yes, it applies for more for Leave than it logically does for Remain |
| 22:33.25 | Technobliterator | Well, that applies to any election in general, right? |
| 22:33.33 | Technobliterator | You have stupid people who don't think about it and vote on emotion |
| 22:33.50 | Technobliterator | And you have smart people who have done research and decided to go for the option they went for |
| 22:33.55 | Technobliterator | It's not exclusive to any particular option |
| 22:35.01 | Monet | Leave has been relying on emotion. |
| 22:35.28 | Technobliterator | I am inclined to agree |
| 22:35.44 | Hachiman | I like how many people criticised Trump yet the phrase #MakeBritainGreatAgain has been thrown about unironically since this referendum started |
| 22:36.21 | Technobliterator | What's worse to me is lots of people on the internet whining about how certain people cannot have an opinion because they're not from Britain |
| 22:36.28 | Technobliterator | then those same people go off to make comments about Trump |
| 22:37.11 | Wormy_ | First results http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612368?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central |
| 22:37.17 | Wormy_ | being announced |
| 22:37.52 | Hachiman | Remain: 19,300+, Leave: 820+ |
| 22:37.56 | Hachiman | wat |
| 22:38.04 | Monet | This is Gibraltar right? |
| 22:38.09 | Monet | Yes |
| 22:38.22 | Monet | Gibraltar is insanely pro-European |
| 22:38.29 | Wormy_ | Not suprising |
| 22:38.30 | Technobliterator | hahaha no way |
| 22:38.31 | Technobliterator | oh yeah |
| 22:38.35 | Technobliterator | of course |
| 22:38.46 | Hachiman | Well, that is unsurprising |
| 22:39.09 | Technobliterator | I imagine it won't be as much of a landslide elsewhere, but I predict: Scotland mostly Remain, Wales mostly Remain, Northern Ireland mostly Leave, England very close but Leave |
| 22:39.27 | Hachiman | Oh, Northern Ireland will definitely have pro-Leave majority |
| 22:39.30 | Monet | I've heard NI is quite pro-remain. |
| 22:39.39 | Hachiman | Wait, really? |
| 22:39.39 | Technobliterator | Huh, really? |
| 22:39.44 | Technobliterator | That is interesting |
| 22:39.55 | Technobliterator | Well, England will be the only Leave one then :o |
| 22:39.59 | Wormy_ | Not many in NI, Wales and Scotland have been voting in comparison, according to statistics |
| 22:40.45 | Monet | AFAIK England's the country most likely to conclude "leave" |
| 22:41.15 | Monet | I think the support in NI is because, as Cyrannian pointed out the other day, should the UK leave the Irish borders get...complicated. |
| 22:42.33 | Hachiman | Yeah, that's true |
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| 22:46.18 | Wormy_ | Leave or Remain, either way we are stuck with bureaucratic neoliberals. |
| 22:46.27 | Wormy_ | Our country or Europe |
| 22:46.41 | Technobliterator | This is true |
| 22:47.02 | Monet | I'm skeptical that State of Great Britain will happen. |
| 22:47.16 | Wormy_ | For a moderate leftist/liberal like me, this was a really hard choice as I don't see a great deal of change either side |
| 22:47.18 | Technobliterator | I'd just rather those bureaucratic neoliberals didn't threaten to get rid of worker's rights, personally |
| 22:47.21 | Monet | If it's attempted then we might see another referendum |
| 22:47.33 | Technobliterator | State of Great Britain? I hope not |
| 22:47.44 | Technobliterator | I hope they're split into different states |
| 22:47.55 | Monet | They will |
| 22:47.57 | Technobliterator | England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, why keep them as one state |
| 22:48.15 | Wormy_ | I actually wouldn't mind the UK being a state... If the EU was a democratic body. |
| 22:48.30 | Wormy_ | But it looks like it ain't going that way |
| 22:48.39 | Monet | But my point is that I see it as unlikely, given the past 40 years, that Westminster wil lsimply bend over and become a part of some European Federation. |
| 22:48.54 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 22:49.34 | Technobliterator | I don't see what people have against that |
| 22:50.00 | Technobliterator | other than MUH NASHONAL PRIDE I LOVE A COUNTRY WITH A HISTORY OF INVADING COUNTRIES AND VIOLATING HUMAN RIGHTS |
| 22:50.17 | Wormy_ | I also found the choice hard because either side from a left perspective had economically liberal and socially liberal arguments for and againsts, and dangers. Its really uncertain either way |
| 22:50.19 | ImpyDroid | Right so what happejed |
| 22:50.32 | ImpyDroid | What with Brexit referendum |
| 22:50.35 | Wormy_ | aye |
| 22:50.41 | ImpyDroid | Did you actually do it |
| 22:50.48 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, you said you would be on today :c |
| 22:50.50 | Technobliterator | Tomorrow? |
| 22:50.51 | ImpyDroid | Did you actually leave or is it up to fester yet |
| 22:50.53 | Wormy_ | Only 1 result so far |
| 22:50.55 | Monet | Impydroid: So far we only know the results fomr Gibraltar. |
| 22:50.59 | ImpyDroid | Rite |
| 22:51.02 | Wormy_ | Remain |
| 22:51.03 | ImpyDroid | How did they answer |
| 22:51.06 | ImpyDroid | TRAITORS |
| 22:51.09 | Technobliterator | remain 96% |
| 22:51.14 | ImpyDroid | ...Fuck |
| 22:51.17 | Technobliterator | Gibraltar is an outlier, though |
| 22:51.26 | Wormy_ | Farage isn't disappointed yet |
| 22:51.32 | ImpyDroid | Alright so how much does their vote matter |
| 22:51.46 | Technobliterator | Probably not a whole lot, honestly |
| 22:51.47 | Wormy_ | He said he wanted to get wasted when the night his done he still thinks he's gonna win |
| 22:52.03 | Monet | 1/382 constituent votes. |
| 22:52.16 | Hachiman | We still got Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and England to go |
| 22:52.19 | ImpyDroid | rite |
| 22:52.32 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Gibraltar is seriously inconsequential |
| 22:52.39 | Technobliterator | I dunno why Spain haven't taken it back yet, though |
| 22:53.04 | Monet | I think Gibraltar is technically shared |
| 22:53.05 | ImpyDroid | I imagine non-English... whatever you call your administrative divisions - counties and boroughs, right? - will be more pro-EU |
| 22:53.08 | ImpyDroid | Scots at least |
| 22:53.14 | Technobliterator | when I went, it didn't feel like that at all |
| 22:53.28 | ImpyDroid | I mean the foreign tyrant is always more appealing than the local tyrant |
| 22:53.28 | Technobliterator | weather felt like Spain, the entire place just felt like a boring old English place |
| 22:53.33 | Technobliterator | Indeed |
| 22:53.35 | Wormy_ | Jo: Because its a place to evade taxes |
| 22:53.41 | Technobliterator | hah |
| 22:53.41 | Technobliterator | true |
| 22:53.44 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:53.48 | ImpyDroid | Hence why many Ukrainians supported Hitler |
| 22:53.56 | ImpyDroid | And Balts |
| 22:54.08 | ImpyDroid | Actually Soviet nationalists in general supported Hitler |
| 22:54.14 | Monet | Gibraltar's like the Falklands |
| 22:54.21 | ImpyDroid | If Scots are thinking like their nationalists |
| 22:54.27 | ImpyDroid | *these |
| 22:54.32 | Technobliterator | Are the Falklands still with Britain? |
| 22:54.36 | Technobliterator | And if so, why? |
| 22:54.40 | Monet | Yes |
| 22:54.52 | Monet | Because Falklanders are quite pro-british |
| 22:54.54 | ImpyDroid | They'd be like "okay we get away from UK with EU help and then become independent from the EU" |
| 22:54.56 | ImpyDroid | Or something |
| 22:55.05 | Hachiman | My stepdad fought in both the Falklands and in Ireland during the IRA crisis |
| 22:55.05 | ImpyDroid | What is that State of Great Britain you talked about |
| 22:55.14 | Technobliterator | That's |
| 22:55.17 | Technobliterator | really silly |
| 22:55.22 | Monet | I think one of the triggers of the Falklands War was that Falklanders felt they were more British than Argentinian. |
| 22:55.24 | Technobliterator | He was talking about a potential United States of Europe |
| 22:55.36 | Technobliterator | Personally, I would love it to happen |
| 22:55.40 | Technobliterator | But I don't imagine it ever will |
| 22:56.41 | Monet | Britain is quite different from the rest of Europe. |
| 22:57.03 | Hachiman | So is Russia as far as I know |
| 22:57.07 | ImpyDroid | EST EUROPA NUNC UNITA |
| 22:57.11 | ImpyDroid | ET UNITA MANEAT |
| 22:57.13 | Technobliterator | Russia is not in a European Union |
| 22:57.16 | ImpyDroid | UNA IN DIVERSITATE |
| 22:57.41 | ImpyDroid | Europe as an independent force would be awesome, but I can't see it happening |
| 22:58.07 | ImpyDroid | From my point of view you folks are too proud to abandon your identities in favour of some imperial union |
| 22:58.11 | Monet | Europe's history also makes leadership difficult |
| 22:58.21 | ImpyDroid | >leadership |
| 22:58.41 | Monet | Washington D.C. was founded *specifically* as neutral ground during the American Civil War. |
| 22:59.11 | ImpyDroid | Well |
| 22:59.22 | ImpyDroid | As for leadership, diese Antwort ist ziemlich einfach zu beantworten. |
| 22:59.28 | Technobliterator | <ImpyDroid> From my point of view you folks are too proud to abandon your identities in favour of some imperial union |
| 22:59.29 | Technobliterator | Sadly, yes |
| 22:59.41 | Technobliterator | National pride here is extremely high |
| 22:59.44 | Technobliterator | and extremely irrational |
| 22:59.52 | ImpyDroid | The only pro-EU people I see are those who suffered from someone else's oppression |
| 22:59.54 | Hachiman | #FuckTheQueen |
| 22:59.55 | Monet | It's also cultural pride. |
| 23:00.00 | Hachiman | Reptilian scum |
| 23:00.04 | ImpyDroid | And wish to join in so as not to be subsumed by THEM |
| 23:00.18 | Monet | Hachiman has a point: WHat happens to the Queen in a European Federation? |
| 23:00.23 | ImpyDroid | Eastern Europe, Scotland, Ireland, Albania, Turkey |
| 23:00.27 | Technobliterator | Cultural pride is similarly irrationally high |
| 23:00.29 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Like Nigeria |
| 23:00.39 | ImpyDroid | Traditional rulers within the greater federation |
| 23:00.47 | ImpyDroid | Africans do it |
| 23:00.51 | Technobliterator | Get rid of the Queen? It's not like the Royal family is useful anyway |
| 23:01.01 | Technobliterator | and yeah, I know, this is hwne people say |
| 23:01.03 | Hachiman | but muh tourism |
| 23:01.07 | Technobliterator | oh but they earn lots of money because of tourism |
| 23:01.08 | ImpyDroid | They have federations but local federal subjects may have KANGS |
| 23:01.17 | Monet | They are great diplomats. And provide 10x as much as they cost. |
| 23:01.22 | Technobliterator | but so what? They serve zero political purpose |
| 23:01.31 | Wormy_ | Newcastle votes Remain. |
| 23:01.39 | Wormy_ | just by a whisker |
| 23:01.43 | Technobliterator | I passively tolerate their existence because they're actually economically beneficial |
| 23:01.52 | Technobliterator | But I really don't like it |
| 23:01.56 | ImpyDroid | Said KANGS do not partake in politics but are important culturally |
| 23:01.57 | Wormy_ | Gonna be so close |
| 23:01.59 | ImpyDroid | So... eh... |
| 23:02.00 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : Revenue from crown lands, tourism |
| 23:02.13 | Charles_Murray | Which far outweigh the pension paid to the crown |
| 23:02.24 | ImpyDroid | Not saying you should copy Africa |
| 23:02.24 | Technobliterator | Charles_Murray, I'm aware that they have a net positive economic effect |
| 23:02.30 | Technobliterator | But that doesn't mean I like it |
| 23:02.33 | ImpyDroid | But you should copy Africa |
| 23:03.00 | Monet | The Queen is also a spiritual leader. |
| 23:03.11 | Monet | She's the head of hte Church of England. |
| 23:03.11 | ImpyDroid | Not for all Britons |
| 23:03.16 | ImpyDroid | ALLAH SAVE THE QUEEN |
| 23:03.21 | Technobliterator | Pfffft |
| 23:03.30 | Hachiman | >Copy Africa |
| 23:03.32 | Technobliterator | Well |
| 23:03.40 | Technobliterator | This is true |
| 23:03.41 | Hachiman | I prefer my country not being divided between warlords thanks |
| 23:03.44 | ImpyDroid | Yes in that case you should copy Africa |
| 23:03.48 | Monet | Disregard the power of faith in this country at your peril. |
| 23:03.58 | ImpyDroid | Remember it can explode |
| 23:04.06 | Hachiman | Monet: Christianity in general is on a decline |
| 23:04.09 | Technobliterator | But it doesn't really make the Queen more than a symbolic figure |
| 23:04.12 | Hachiman | And atheism is not a rise |
| 23:04.17 | Hachiman | In the UK anyway |
| 23:04.18 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Debatable, look at Poland |
| 23:04.25 | Monet | In a dcline but still strong. |
| 23:04.32 | Technobliterator | yeah, dude |
| 23:04.34 | ImpyDroid | Islam is rising, people swarm to Christianity as a reaction |
| 23:04.38 | Technobliterator | Christianity is not going away |
| 23:04.47 | Technobliterator | and if anyone tried to make it go away |
| 23:04.53 | Hachiman | It's not going away, but it's not as strong as it used to be in the UK |
| 23:04.55 | Technobliterator | ENGLAND HAS BEEN HALALIFIED |
| 23:05.36 | Monet | The opinion of the Archbishop of Canterbury still carries a fair bit of weight. |
| 23:06.02 | ImpyDroid | "kebabs are being unreasonable intolerant religious sexist homophobic fucks, what should we do? YES, BECOME UNREASONABLE INTOLERANT SEXIST HOMOPHOBIC RELIGIOUS FUCKS TO ANSWER THEM" |
| 23:06.17 | Technobliterator | If the Queen stayed solely as a symbolic figure in a United States of Europe, basically nothing would change |
| 23:06.25 | ImpyDroid | Never disregard the working-class right-wing folk, in these crowds religion is growing |
| 23:06.39 | ImpyDroid | Why call your constituents states though? |
| 23:06.52 | ImpyDroid | Not every federation has states |
| 23:07.10 | Hachiman | "How exciting if after the first few results everybody has voted to join Africa" |
| 23:07.24 | Technobliterator | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/eu-referendum-will-it-be-brexit-exit-poll-and-results-live/ - what the hell |
| 23:07.31 | Technobliterator | Why are they admitting defeat already? |
| 23:07.35 | Technobliterator | That's...seriously pathetic |
| 23:07.44 | Monet | Because clicks |
| 23:07.45 | Hachiman | "Whichever side you're on, Cameron has yet again managed to persuade a lot of people whose lives he's destroyed to vote for the status quo" |
| 23:07.51 | Technobliterator | No, not the paper |
| 23:07.54 | Technobliterator | The campaign |
| 23:07.56 | Hachiman | I laughed far too hard |
| 23:08.07 | Wormy_ | Passed my article limit for that site |
| 23:08.17 | Technobliterator | oh, Telegraph are awful |
| 23:08.25 | ImpyDroid | so when will it end |
| 23:08.27 | Technobliterator | they're basically as bad as Daily Mail |
| 23:08.32 | ImpyDroid | Do I have to stay awake all night |
| 23:08.33 | Technobliterator | Hours, Imp |
| 23:08.34 | Technobliterator | No |
| 23:08.35 | Hachiman | And The Sun |
| 23:08.37 | Monet | It might be because in politics uncertainty suggests weakness. |
| 23:09.10 | Wormy_ | Sun is the worst |
| 23:09.21 | Hachiman | I remember one of their justifications for leaving the EU was because the UK has recently been subject to a migration of European moths which devour vegetables like locusts |
| 23:09.23 | Wormy_ | Actually, the Express is baad |
| 23:09.44 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 23:09.44 | Charles_Murray | Wormy_ Technobliterator : Has voting finished? |
| 23:09.47 | Monet | Mail, Sun and Express are all toilet-paper-quality. |
| 23:09.51 | Wormy_ | Just 3 results so far |
| 23:09.56 | Wormy_ | All Remain |
| 23:10.02 | Charles_Murray | I mean, can people still vote? |
| 23:10.03 | Wormy_ | But two are outliers |
| 23:10.11 | Monet | Charles-Murray: No |
| 23:10.11 | Wormy_ | NNo, that's finished |
| 23:10.37 | Charles_Murray | Alright; If people were still voting, announcing defeat prematurely would have energized your own voters to go out and vote at the last minute |
| 23:10.52 | Charles_Murray | Especially if they weren't voting because they took a leave victory for granted |
| 23:11.03 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: ...Wait |
| 23:11.08 | ImpyDroid | Closing borders will stop moths? |
| 23:11.19 | Charles_Murray | ^ Why Michigan unexpectedly went for BS |
| 23:11.23 | Monet | Charles: THis telegraph article was published 3 minutes ago |
| 23:11.45 | Charles_Murray | Right, I'm saying -if- |
| 23:11.50 | Charles_Murray | It's not the case here |
| 23:12.34 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: No but The Sun tried using it as a reason hur |
| 23:13.02 | ImpyDroid | It would simply cause a wave of illegal moth immigrants |
| 23:13.08 | ImpyDroid | Damn moths bringing their war to us |
| 23:13.20 | The_Randomness | <_< |
| 23:13.25 | Monet | Closing borders might just lead to more illegal border-crossing yes. |
| 23:13.51 | Monet | Some people just don't care. And it's not like we have eyes on every inch of coastline. |
| 23:13.58 | ImpyDroid | Moths should go back to the Mothle East where they belong |
| 23:14.04 | ImpyDroid | And for that matter |
| 23:14.16 | ImpyDroid | Why do butterflies not take any moths |
| 23:14.20 | ImpyDroid | Fucking bastard |
| 23:14.22 | ImpyDroid | *s |
| 23:15.04 | Wormy_ | Because Mothlamic rayguns. |
| 23:15.26 | Hachiman | One thing is for certain, even if I am not qualified enough to give a real opinion for either side; I am *not* happy with Turkey being allowed to join the EU |
| 23:15.44 | Monet | It probably won't. |
| 23:15.53 | Monet | Or at least, not i nthe near future. |
| 23:16.37 | Monet | So far the only way it's getting in is if it fixes many of it's problems. |
| 23:17.10 | Hachiman | Thing is, Erdogan does not see its problems as problems |
| 23:17.17 | Hachiman | Because he's an ISIS loving cunthole |
| 23:17.30 | Technobliterator | urgh, Erdogan |
| 23:17.34 | Technobliterator | I loathe him |
| 23:17.57 | Hachiman | Sunderland votes to Leave |
| 23:17.58 | Monet | Erdrogan can think what he likes. If Turkey doesn't meet the EU's criteria, Turkey's not getting in. |
| 23:18.01 | Technobliterator | Well, we've got the first pro-Leave result |
| 23:18.04 | Wormy_ | Leavers in Sunderland shot violetly at their victory |
| 23:18.07 | Technobliterator | Anyone got a livestream? |
| 23:18.12 | Wormy_ | *shout |
| 23:18.20 | Wormy_ | I do http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612368?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central |
| 23:18.21 | Monet | Technobliterator: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089 |
| 23:18.40 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 23:18.43 | Technobliterator | ty |
| 23:19.18 | Wormy_ | ¬_¬ typical Leavers |
| 23:19.24 | Wormy_ | and their shouting |
| 23:20.27 | Technobliterator | This is a stupid question, but a Referendum is based on popular vote, not on constituencies, right? |
| 23:20.47 | Monet | I thin kit is |
| 23:20.53 | Monet | These are counting areas |
| 23:21.35 | Monet | So merely a way to break down where the votes are coming from. |
| 23:22.03 | Wormy_ | ugh losing the stream |
| 23:24.05 | Monet | If this referendum was based on counting area the counters we see would be charting numbers of counting areas for each, not numbers of votes. |
| 23:24.24 | Hachiman | Voting turnout for Scotland is not as high as the Scottish independence referendum |
| 23:24.28 | Hachiman | Which should be kinda obvious |
| 23:25.39 | Technobliterator | I reckon Leave will win |
| 23:25.53 | Monet | They have a marginal cote so far |
| 23:25.58 | Monet | vote* |
| 23:26.01 | Hachiman | Imagine if Scotland ends up joining the Nordic Council after all of this |
| 23:26.38 | Hachiman | I mean, Scotland technically has Norse heritage, right? |
| 23:26.52 | Wormy_ | More than the English |
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| 23:27.33 | Wormy_ | There's an ancient viking festival in the Shetlands http://www.shetland.org/things/events/culture-heritage/up-helly-aa/ |
| 23:28.03 | Charles_Murray | With 1% reporting, the vote can go anywhere at this point |
| 23:28.16 | Technobliterator | Well, I'm going to prepare for the worst regardless |
| 23:29.20 | Technobliterator | man, this woman sounds so much better than the Conservatives in England |
| 23:29.25 | Hachiman | An American guy I play D&D with asked me about Brexit the other day; I honestly dunno how I could have explained it considering I do not think America has anything to compare our situation to |
| 23:30.06 | Hachiman | Unless like the American Civil War applies, dunno |
| 23:30.06 | Wormy_ | In some ways, I think it would be funny. Its a middle finger to the EU and then Johnson and Gove will have the weight on their shoulders |
| 23:30.12 | Technobliterator | Texas |
| 23:30.20 | Hachiman | Texas? |
| 23:30.21 | Technobliterator | Texas has often tried to leave the US |
| 23:30.33 | Monet | Yeah but has anyone taken them seriously |
| 23:30.34 | Hachiman | Oh, is that because it's on the Mexican border? |
| 23:30.38 | Wormy_ | But then Jonson or Gove... |
| 23:30.43 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 23:30.46 | Technobliterator | That and because Obama won |
| 23:30.50 | Hachiman | hur |
| 23:31.05 | The_Randomness | Monet: nope |
| 23:31.19 | Wormy_ | Some Brexiters compare the whole thing to the American Revolutionary war |
| 23:31.24 | Monet | So Texas is a "maybe but not quite" |
| 23:31.26 | Hachiman | Hardly a war |
| 23:31.27 | Technobliterator | their governor just said he didn't care |
| 23:31.31 | Wormy_ | "Taxation without repreentation" |
| 23:31.54 | Monet | Actually that makes some sense |
| 23:32.07 | Hachiman | Many people are unaware that the Brits did not enforce as many taxes as they said they would leading up to the Revolutionary War |
| 23:32.17 | Hachiman | The one on tea though |
| 23:32.56 | Wormy_ | I'm aware |
| 23:33.12 | Monet | It's more a case that Brexiters feel that the UK doesn't get much say in the EP |
| 23:33.41 | Monet | Even though Britain, alognside Italy is the nation with the third-highest number of MEPs |
| 23:34.50 | Wormy_ | The Pound is falling already |
| 23:34.54 | Wormy_ | Very quickly |
| 23:35.05 | Monet | Wormy_: THat's to be expected |
| 23:35.22 | Hachiman | Charles_Murray: + 23:30 Fiction:French Empireââ (5 changes | hist) . . (+666)â . . [Charles Murrayâ (5Ã)] |
| 23:35.28 | Monet | Until the hop from Leave, the reports were the pound was rising strongly |
| 23:35.29 | Hachiman | >+666 |
| 23:35.29 | Wormy_ | 1.48 to the US Dollar only a few minutes ago, now 1.43 |
| 23:35.33 | Charles_Murray | loool |
| 23:36.12 | Charles_Murray | Yeah... Nobody said currency speculators were particularly rational |
| 23:36.48 | Charles_Murray | Hachiman : Been working on this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Military |
| 23:36.54 | Monet | Before Leave started racking up votes, the pound was at $1.51 |
| 23:37.06 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 23:38.22 | Technobliterator | inb4 0.84 at the end |
| 23:39.53 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516564_1731817747066703_3037052183070111027_n.jpg?oh=b8756ff1b4a762509ad9d3c894d561b8&oe=57EF8CF4 How to ruin a car |
| 23:40.31 | Wormy_ | minion'd |
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| 23:41.56 | Charles_Murray | Hey Tybusen |
| 23:42.07 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 23:42.42 | Technobliterator | Leave vote stronger than expected |
| 23:42.43 | Technobliterator | yep |
| 23:42.45 | Technobliterator | Leave wins |
| 23:42.59 | Monet | In Coleshill. |
| 23:43.38 | Technobliterator | all of the results will probably be like this |
| 23:43.42 | Wormy_ | We are talking about Northern England |
| 23:43.48 | Hachiman | I like how you said that giving up hope before the final result was pathetic yet you're doing the exact same now |
| 23:43.55 | Hachiman | Not trying to offend btw but had to call it out |
| 23:44.04 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 23:44.18 | Technobliterator | I was saying it's pathetic to give up your campaign that early |
| 23:44.22 | Technobliterator | Not to call it |
| 23:44.32 | Hachiman | Hm fair enough |
| 23:44.43 | Monet | We've only had less than 2% of the counting areas come through. |
| 23:44.53 | Technobliterator | Yeah, and all of them have had the same theme |
| 23:44.53 | Hachiman | Also, yes; Northern England is likely to have a strong Leave majority |
| 23:45.01 | Hachiman | It will probably be different in the South |
| 23:45.05 | Technobliterator | everyone underestimated how many Leave votes there were |
| 23:45.06 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 23:45.11 | Wormy_ | To Hachi |
| 23:45.15 | Technobliterator | well, hope they enjoy their £0.84 |
| 23:45.41 | Wormy_ | Midlands, south of Nottingham things could change |
| 23:45.51 | Hachiman | Northerners hate Europe so it's kind of to be expected |
| 23:45.53 | Technobliterator | wow, first ever good news for Remain |
| 23:45.53 | Monet | We've had two Leave areas and three Remain areas with a vote difference of, what 1% ? |
| 23:46.11 | Monet | overall?* |
| 23:46.18 | Technobliterator | Yeah, and Remain underperformed in those areas while Leave overperformed |
| 23:46.38 | Technobliterator | LOL |
| 23:46.43 | Technobliterator | 78 22 |
| 23:46.44 | Technobliterator | wow |
| 23:46.56 | Monet | THis is still calling the results of the race when it has only jkust started. |
| 23:47.09 | Wormy_ | hah hah firsat time I've seen Ed Milliband in a while |
| 23:47.11 | Technobliterator | oh go away Miliband |
| 23:47.15 | Technobliterator | no one liked you |
| 23:47.21 | Hachiman | What the fuck is Milibanter doing here |
| 23:47.23 | Technobliterator | you were fucking awful |
| 23:47.34 | Wormy_ | Ed Millipede |
| 23:47.39 | Hachiman | olol |
| 23:47.39 | Monet | Miliband was part of the Remain camp. |
| 23:48.00 | Monet | EIther that or the BBC is fishing for opinions form former leaders. |
| 23:48.04 | Wormy_ | stabbed your brother in the back |
| 23:48.47 | Wormy_ | http://britishy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/edmilibandvote.png http://www.bruceonpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/a-1.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/08/07/286E9F3E00000578-0-image-m-167_1431065373379.jpg |
| 23:48.50 | Monet | If the NYSE hadn't closed I bet you we would have see na rise in the value of the pound. |
| 23:49.22 | Hachiman | I just wonder what is going to happen to our NHS if we leave |
| 23:49.30 | Wormy_ | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/16/22/27A5325600000578-0-image-a-26_1429221378022.jpg |
| 23:49.37 | Technobliterator | Well, the pro-Leave people are opposed to it |
| 23:49.48 | Wormy_ | Not all of them |
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| 23:49.58 | Technobliterator | And our current government are opposed to it |
| 23:50.00 | Hachiman | How can you be opposed to the NHS |
| 23:50.00 | Wormy_ | You'd be surprised how many Leavers are hardcore left |
| 23:50.02 | Hachiman | What the |
| 23:50.05 | Technobliterator | they just won't tell us to our face |
| 23:50.29 | Technobliterator | Because they're rich overstuffed privileges twats who have no idea what it's like to have lower income |
| 23:50.32 | Monet | Instead they tell us the money we 'send' to Brussels could be used ot prop up the NHS. |
| 23:51.28 | Hachiman | I just realised that there are gonna be people out there celebrating and lamenting the fact that if Leave wins, "Jo Cox died for nothing" |
| 23:52.13 | Technobliterator | 20k votes ahead |
| 23:52.20 | Technobliterator | won't last at all |
| 23:52.53 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 23:52.56 | Monet | We have yet to know how Wales, the South and London will go. |
| 23:53.00 | Technobliterator | this woman thinks Cameron will do any negotiations at all |
| 23:53.02 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
| 23:53.23 | Wormy_ | "How about Kim Jong Un with his new H bomb which turns out to be a bomb full of imperfect clones of H from the band Steps? " http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/image/138679946604 |
| 23:53.28 | Hachiman | Give him a pig's head and he might |
| 23:53.33 | Technobliterator | this is not a government that believes in negotiation |
| 23:53.42 | Technobliterator | look at what they did to junior doctors |
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| 23:54.21 | AdmiralPanda_ | hi all |
| 23:54.24 | Technobliterator | "he's an honourable man" |
| 23:54.25 | Monet | Hi |
| 23:54.28 | Technobliterator | ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 23:54.28 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 23:54.38 | Monet | Technoliterator: Depends on the situation |
| 23:54.56 | Hachiman | The Second British Empire should reintegrate Australia back into its fold and use it as its own equivalent of Alcatraz |
| 23:54.58 | Hachiman | ohai Panda |
| 23:55.31 | Monet | Technobliterator: I was thinkig nte guy meant 'warrior's honour' |
| 23:55.31 | Technobliterator | oh, that was a narrower lead than I thought |
| 23:56.26 | Technobliterator | Apparently, this is the first split area that's actually been in line with what was thought? |
| 23:56.58 | Monet | This is why you shouldn't take pre-night polls and estimates as gospel. |
| 23:57.44 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:57.50 | Technobliterator | it hasn't been what was thought??? |
| 23:57.55 | AdmiralPanda_ | Hachiman: Sure, while you're at it you can also give us all your hardworking, honest men who could actually improve your country if given the chance :P |
| 23:57.57 | Technobliterator | I'm confused |
| 23:58.10 | Monet | The thought is based on sample pools and trends. |
| 23:58.17 | Technobliterator | this is weird |
| 23:59.02 | Monet | Basically the local counils question a select number of people and extrapolate an estimate by applying that sample to the general population. |
| 23:59.17 | Monet | There's also the peopel who change their minds the night before the day. |
| 23:59.45 | Monet | Or the people wh osay they support oen thing but ecretly vote the next. |
| 23:59.58 | Monet | secretly* |
