| 00:14.47 | Wormydroid_ | Goodnight |
| 00:15.10 | Cyrannian | Nightie night |
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| 00:30.57 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:33.49 | Monet | Hi |
| 00:34.57 | dino82_ | @drodo: Canada is amzing! |
| 00:35.32 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: Let me know if you want to work on the early history of the collabverse some more today |
| 00:35.39 | The_Randomness | I'll be free for the rest of the night |
| 00:37.00 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:37.10 | DrodoEmpire | dino82_: I'm inclined to agree. XD |
| 00:37.22 | dino82_ | @drodo: haha :D |
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| 00:45.27 | Technobliterator | and now for the conference I've been waiting for |
| 00:45.29 | Technobliterator | ...in 15 minutes |
| 00:45.57 | The_Randomness | sqeenix? |
| 00:46.01 | The_Randomness | *squeenix |
| 00:49.53 | Technobliterator | no, Sony |
| 00:50.00 | Technobliterator | hopefully Squeenix stuff will be at it, though |
| 00:50.52 | Monet | It probably will. |
| 01:00.40 | OluapPlayer | It's lagging at lot to me |
| 01:00.51 | OluapPlayer | Wonders of 3rd world internet |
| 01:01.06 | Technobliterator | start already |
| 01:01.16 | Monet | Holy hell this guy's hair arrangement. |
| 01:01.42 | Monet | Umm |
| 01:02.23 | Monet | Am I watching the Sony conference or Phantom of the Opera? |
| 01:02.47 | OluapPlayer | Opera isn't videogames Sony |
| 01:03.15 | Technobliterator | I reckon it's for God of War |
| 01:03.17 | OluapPlayer | God this stream is stuttering so much, none of the others were like this |
| 01:03.29 | Technobliterator | yeah, it was stuttering for me a lot too |
| 01:03.30 | Technobliterator | but it's ok now |
| 01:04.12 | Technobliterator | inb4 sudden transition to Crash Bandicoot theme |
| 01:04.41 | Monet | This is... |
| 01:05.00 | Technobliterator | It's nice but |
| 01:05.01 | Monet | I think Sony hired the RSC to coreograph their conference |
| 01:05.03 | Technobliterator | does it need to go on this long |
| 01:05.09 | OluapPlayer | VIDEOGAMES |
| 01:05.32 | Technobliterator | Last Guardian? |
| 01:05.47 | Monet | I'm used to Ubisoft doing epic opera choirs not Sony. |
| 01:06.07 | OluapPlayer | Finally, videogames |
| 01:06.43 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 01:06.45 | Technobliterator | I was right the first time |
| 01:07.11 | OluapPlayer | who dis |
| 01:07.21 | Monet | Kratos I think |
| 01:07.21 | Technobliterator | that's Kratos but older |
| 01:07.27 | OluapPlayer | Isn't he |
| 01:07.29 | OluapPlayer | Oh he is white |
| 01:07.35 | OluapPlayer | Couldn't tell with the lighting |
| 01:07.49 | OluapPlayer | God of War 4 then |
| 01:08.15 | Monet | "boy" - Kratos is a dick even when he's a dad. |
| 01:10.07 | Monet | Okay I'm seeing the viking allusions now |
| 01:10.18 | Monet | "valhalla" and I just saw Norse runes |
| 01:10.23 | Technobliterator | Norse mythos |
| 01:12.39 | Monet | Those are runes |
| 01:13.06 | Monet | I was wrong |
| 01:13.15 | Monet | Sony asn't trying phanto mof the opera |
| 01:13.26 | Monet | I's trying The Ring Cycle. |
| 01:14.14 | Monet | BAMBI NOOOO |
| 01:14.44 | OluapPlayer | fuk u bambi ur dinner tonight |
| 01:15.21 | Monet | NUUUUUU BAMBIIIIII |
| 01:15.33 | Monet | ...that's a fucking dragon |
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| 01:16.58 | OluapPlayer | My stream is evidently behind since I only just saw the dragon |
| 01:17.20 | Cyrannian | Nightie nigh folks |
| 01:17.26 | OluapPlayer | Bye |
| 01:18.29 | OluapPlayer | God stop stuttering |
| 01:21.50 | OluapPlayer | This must be The Last Guardian |
| 01:21.53 | OluapPlayer | Yep |
| 01:22.48 | Monet | Sony are really targething the feels this year |
| 01:23.14 | OluapPlayer | That's big |
| 01:23.14 | OluapPlayer | A release date |
| 01:23.27 | Technobliterator | woooow |
| 01:23.39 | Monet | Zer oDawn time |
| 01:24.06 | Monet | Gameplay nice! |
| 01:24.37 | Technobliterator | oh it's Zero Dawn |
| 01:24.39 | Technobliterator | looks awesome |
| 01:25.45 | Monet | Mudcrab: No idea AD. |
| 01:26.12 | OluapPlayer | Dialog wheel |
| 01:26.13 | OluapPlayer | eesh |
| 01:26.44 | Technobliterator | those graphics though |
| 01:26.50 | Technobliterator | Sony's devs are so good at graphics |
| 01:26.57 | Technobliterator | ND, Polyphony, Guerilla |
| 01:27.19 | Monet | Pretty map |
| 01:28.02 | Monet | She hacked a bul lthing with her spear |
| 01:28.22 | OluapPlayer | I don't get what this game is meant to be |
| 01:29.16 | Technobliterator | It's like |
| 01:29.23 | Technobliterator | a survival open world RPG thing |
| 01:29.44 | OluapPlayer | I mean thematically |
| 01:29.54 | Technobliterator | yeah it's |
| 01:29.54 | Technobliterator | weird |
| 01:29.57 | Technobliterator | robot dinosaurs |
| 01:30.44 | Monet | Robots walk the earth replacing animals. |
| 01:31.17 | Monet | Machines took over but seems they're content roaming the planet like mecha-dinosaurs |
| 01:31.30 | Monet | So...monster hunter with robots? |
| 01:31.45 | OluapPlayer | Gameplay seems nothing like monster hunter |
| 01:32.31 | Monet | Watchdogs |
| 01:32.52 | Monet | Wait no |
| 01:32.59 | Monet | CYberlink...cyberlink... |
| 01:33.13 | OluapPlayer | girl is ded |
| 01:33.32 | Monet | Cyberpunk 2077? |
| 01:33.49 | OluapPlayer | Probably not |
| 01:34.52 | Technobliterator | this looks |
| 01:34.53 | Technobliterator | amazing |
| 01:35.42 | Monet | Welll |
| 01:35.51 | Monet | I did get Blade RUnner vibes |
| 01:36.55 | OluapPlayer | spooky mannikins and run-down house |
| 01:37.09 | Technobliterator | wtf is this |
| 01:37.22 | OluapPlayer | Clearly a horror game |
| 01:37.25 | Monet | I'm sensing a jump scare coming soon |
| 01:37.51 | Technobliterator | this is the one game im less interested in because it's horror |
| 01:37.56 | Technobliterator | I'm so hyped for the others |
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| 01:39.18 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
| 01:39.22 | OluapPlayer | Didn't expect that |
| 01:39.30 | Technobliterator | Huh |
| 01:39.30 | Technobliterator | ok |
| 01:40.10 | Monet | We going back to the start with RE? |
| 01:40.40 | Monet | Sony's dick this year is reaching Empire State Building levels |
| 01:40.49 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 01:40.51 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 01:40.53 | OluapPlayer | nasti |
| 01:41.02 | Technobliterator | but they're doing such a great job |
| 01:41.05 | Technobliterator | best so far |
| 01:41.24 | Technobliterator | Ehhh |
| 01:41.27 | Technobliterator | decent pricce |
| 01:41.33 | OluapPlayer | 400 dollaridoos |
| 01:42.38 | Technobliterator | Impulse Gear |
| 01:42.43 | Technobliterator | by Kojima Productions |
| 01:43.14 | OluapPlayer | GEEEEEEEEEAR |
| 01:43.52 | OluapPlayer | GIGANTIC SPIDER |
| 01:43.57 | Monet | That's a big fucking spider. |
| 01:43.59 | Technobliterator | who is that even by |
| 01:44.07 | Technobliterator | Star Wars |
| 01:44.08 | Technobliterator | huh ok |
| 01:44.14 | Monet | Farpoint: Brougt to you by Kojima I believe. |
| 01:44.21 | Technobliterator | is this like |
| 01:44.23 | Technobliterator | X Wing with VR |
| 01:44.23 | OluapPlayer | Impulse Gear is the name of the company I guess |
| 01:44.26 | Technobliterator | If so I'm hyped |
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| 01:44.39 | Monet | :nostalgia intensifies: |
| 01:44.40 | Technobliterator | Battlefront VR? |
| 01:44.43 | Technobliterator | bleeeeeeh |
| 01:44.45 | Technobliterator | pointless |
| 01:45.07 | Technobliterator | Batman? |
| 01:45.13 | Monet | For a minute there I was so hyped it was going to be an X-Wing alliance remake |
| 01:45.36 | Technobliterator | Batman Telltale, probably |
| 01:45.37 | OluapPlayer | I AM THE NIGHT |
| 01:45.53 | Technobliterator | or no what |
| 01:45.57 | Technobliterator | what |
| 01:46.06 | OluapPlayer | More Final Fentasy |
| 01:46.16 | Technobliterator | FFXV VR? |
| 01:46.17 | Technobliterator | woah |
| 01:46.23 | Monet | I prefer walking around Arkham in 3rd perso nthan kyou |
| 01:46.29 | Monet | Arkham is fuckign creepy enough |
| 01:46.41 | OluapPlayer | Might be just a normal trailer |
| 01:46.47 | Monet | CHOCOBOS |
| 01:46.52 | Technobliterator | miles better than their MS trailer |
| 01:47.06 | OluapPlayer | MS had gameplay, not trailer |
| 01:47.12 | Technobliterator | hi cindy |
| 01:47.24 | Monet | Dubububstep |
| 01:47.29 | OluapPlayer | Oh it is VR |
| 01:47.34 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 01:47.37 | Technobliterator | this is |
| 01:47.39 | Technobliterator | kinda weird |
| 01:47.55 | Technobliterator | I didn't see that coming at all |
| 01:48.19 | Technobliterator | tacked on |
| 01:48.52 | Technobliterator | what is this |
| 01:49.04 | OluapPlayer | New thing |
| 01:49.05 | OluapPlayer | it seems |
| 01:49.17 | Monet | Star Citizen I think |
| 01:49.24 | Monet | probably not |
| 01:49.27 | Monet | Feels like it |
| 01:49.43 | Technobliterator | I dunno what it is but |
| 01:49.46 | Technobliterator | I like it \o/ |
| 01:49.51 | Technobliterator | so hyped for literally all of these games |
| 01:49.56 | Technobliterator | except the horror game |
| 01:50.00 | Technobliterator | and I have no need to be hyped for FFXV |
| 01:50.07 | Technobliterator | because I already preordered the deluxe edition |
| 01:50.21 | Monet | Sony are putting a lot of faith in VR |
| 01:50.42 | Technobliterator | I bet this is CoD infinity war |
| 01:50.47 | Technobliterator | so, anoither I'm not hyped for |
| 01:51.04 | OluapPlayer | CoD with spaceship combat? |
| 01:51.08 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 01:51.14 | Technobliterator | that's why people hated Infinity War |
| 01:51.19 | Technobliterator | the trailer anyway |
| 01:51.26 | Technobliterator | People want CoD to go to the past |
| 01:51.29 | Technobliterator | they went to the future instead |
| 01:51.35 | Monet | Yeah it must be IW |
| 01:51.39 | Monet | I recognise those fighters |
| 01:51.42 | Technobliterator | it is |
| 01:51.53 | Technobliterator | Can't say I'm hyped, because |
| 01:51.55 | Technobliterator | >CoD |
| 01:51.57 | Technobliterator | but VR looks neat |
| 01:51.59 | Monet | I'm slightly behind |
| 01:52.34 | Monet | OKay I'm going to admit here |
| 01:52.38 | Monet | I'm interested |
| 01:53.10 | Technobliterator | Really, the only thing stopping me from being interested in it is the fact it's CoD |
| 01:53.16 | Technobliterator | maybe it'll turn out to not be that bad |
| 01:53.33 | Monet | Also a breach like that is why all DI vessels ahve bridges in the core of the ship |
| 01:54.10 | Technobliterator | CoD had space battles before EA Battlefront |
| 01:54.11 | Technobliterator | lolz |
| 01:54.56 | OluapPlayer | And so it was CoD |
| 01:55.04 | Monet | Oh-kay I'm sold. |
| 01:55.40 | Technobliterator | I'm not, because CoD, I'll wait for reviews |
| 01:55.43 | Technobliterator | like Watch Dogs |
| 01:56.01 | Monet | I don't have a PS4 so meh. |
| 01:56.12 | Monet | I like the look of it, dunno if i'l lbuy it. |
| 01:56.15 | Technobliterator | OH MY GOD |
| 01:56.26 | Technobliterator | NO WAY |
| 01:56.27 | Technobliterator | WHAT |
| 01:56.37 | OluapPlayer | ? |
| 01:56.56 | Technobliterator | OH MY GOD |
| 01:56.58 | Technobliterator | HOLY |
| 01:57.00 | Technobliterator | FUCKING |
| 01:57.00 | Monet | He had Crash for a shadow |
| 01:57.01 | OluapPlayer | Woah what |
| 01:57.02 | Technobliterator | CHRIST |
| 01:57.06 | Technobliterator | !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:57.23 | Monet | Sony's stocks are going to shoot through the roof I bet you! |
| 01:57.37 | Technobliterator | ugh |
| 01:57.39 | Technobliterator | it's still with Activision |
| 01:57.46 | Monet | OOOOr maybe not |
| 01:57.56 | OluapPlayer | Talk about a bait and switch |
| 01:58.03 | Technobliterator | Wow, screw off Activison |
| 01:58.05 | Technobliterator | literally screw off |
| 01:58.51 | Technobliterator | and then they just cut to Lego Star Wars |
| 01:58.55 | Technobliterator | don't even show Crash |
| 01:58.57 | OluapPlayer | no crash 4 u |
| 01:59.10 | Technobliterator | this hurt me |
| 01:59.55 | Monet | The Lego guys still have it, Gotta amdit |
| 01:59.56 | Technobliterator | I'm still gonna buy |
| 01:59.59 | Technobliterator | but what the fuck |
| 02:01.02 | Monet | Shit |
| 02:01.07 | Technobliterator | who is this |
| 02:01.12 | OluapPlayer | God this stuttering is insufferable |
| 02:01.51 | Technobliterator | Kojima |
| 02:01.51 | Technobliterator | duh |
| 02:01.57 | Monet | Dude your dick can be seen from space! |
| 02:02.01 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 02:02.02 | Technobliterator | I new it |
| 02:02.05 | Technobliterator | *knew |
| 02:02.05 | OluapPlayer | KOJIMBO |
| 02:02.48 | OluapPlayer | "I'm back" <3 |
| 02:02.56 | Technobliterator | oh man |
| 02:03.00 | Technobliterator | I wonder what this is |
| 02:03.15 | Monet | I know he's been touring dev teams |
| 02:03.41 | Monet | "MEANING" |
| 02:03.44 | OluapPlayer | rip crabs |
| 02:04.32 | Technobliterator | I'm getting so many MGSV vibes |
| 02:04.33 | Technobliterator | this is good |
| 02:05.40 | OluapPlayer | This is some trippy shit |
| 02:05.41 | Monet | This is... |
| 02:06.00 | Monet | I dunno what it is but I know it's likely in Frostbite |
| 02:06.11 | Technobliterator | i mean this is great but |
| 02:06.17 | Technobliterator | What kind of game is it |
| 02:06.33 | OluapPlayer | u dont kno yet |
| 02:06.34 | OluapPlayer | did u rike it |
| 02:06.44 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 02:06.47 | Technobliterator | this is obviously Spider Man |
| 02:06.48 | Technobliterator | and yep |
| 02:06.50 | Monet | I think it's Kojima presenting hsi dreams. |
| 02:07.08 | OluapPlayer | spuder |
| 02:07.15 | Technobliterator | oh this looks good |
| 02:07.31 | Monet | I might have seen Rhino |
| 02:07.34 | Technobliterator | maybe this is their answer to Arkham |
| 02:07.50 | Technobliterator | wonder who's it by |
| 02:08.02 | Monet | Hammerhead too possibly. |
| 02:08.47 | Monet | Mate you are reveling in the epic music. |
| 02:09.21 | Monet | "thank you" - random guy |
| 02:11.07 | Technobliterator | I'm kind of hyped for Crash remakes, but |
| 02:11.10 | Technobliterator | not by Sony |
| 02:11.13 | Monet | Pussy wolves |
| 02:11.14 | Technobliterator | so good luck the new games being good |
| 02:11.48 | OluapPlayer | They said remasters, not remakes, so they're probably just the same old games in a higher resolution |
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| 02:12.34 | OluapPlayer | zambies |
| 02:13.11 | Monet | *lies on his back staring at the sky* Zombies...why did it have ot be zombies |
| 02:14.05 | Technobliterator | yeah, but Oluap, they said from the ground up |
| 02:14.07 | Technobliterator | so I doubt it |
| 02:14.23 | Monet | Dude your gun's doing jack shit |
| 02:15.55 | OluapPlayer | and then he died, the end |
| 02:15.57 | Technobliterator | oh wow, IG are the ones making Spider-Man PS4 |
| 02:15.58 | Technobliterator | I'm hyped |
| 02:16.44 | Monet | I just saw an AoT clip. |
| 02:17.00 | OluapPlayer | Yeah |
| 02:17.12 | OluapPlayer | There was an AoT game released recently |
| 02:17.19 | Technobliterator | I guess IG gave up on their exclusive franchise with MS |
| 02:17.39 | Technobliterator | that was |
| 02:17.41 | Technobliterator | really amazing |
| 02:18.03 | OluapPlayer | Wait, is it over? |
| 02:18.11 | Monet | It's over |
| 02:18.12 | Technobliterator | Alas |
| 02:18.12 | Technobliterator | yep |
| 02:18.21 | OluapPlayer | That was |
| 02:18.23 | OluapPlayer | Different |
| 02:18.35 | Technobliterator | yeah, that like |
| 02:18.38 | OluapPlayer | Suit man barely talked |
| 02:18.40 | Technobliterator | was the best one |
| 02:18.41 | Technobliterator | by far |
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| 02:19.38 | Monet | Very different from last year when they spent what, 45 minutes talking about gaming and AV peripherals? |
| 02:19.49 | Technobliterator | Crash announcement would've been so much bigger |
| 02:20.00 | Technobliterator | if it wasn't just LOL WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS TO SELL SKYLANDERS CRAP |
| 02:20.05 | Monet | It looks like they might be combinibng it with Skylanders |
| 02:20.58 | Technobliterator | yeah, fuck that |
| 02:21.06 | Technobliterator | I don't trust Activision |
| 02:21.09 | Technobliterator | with any franchise |
| 02:22.15 | OluapPlayer | Nothing in the conference really interested me except Kojima's game since it's confirmed to be multiplat |
| 02:22.20 | OluapPlayer | But it was a good conference nonetheless |
| 02:22.34 | Technobliterator | I can't tell what I'm most hyped for |
| 02:22.38 | Technobliterator | Lots of it looked fantastic |
| 02:22.44 | OluapPlayer | That's pretty much the end of E3 |
| 02:22.46 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 02:22.51 | Technobliterator | it was |
| 02:22.55 | Technobliterator | not as good as last year |
| 02:22.56 | Technobliterator | it was alright |
| 02:23.14 | OluapPlayer | I think it was better than last year |
| 02:23.20 | OluapPlayer | More gameplay, less talking and less memes |
| 02:23.48 | Technobliterator | I was way more hyped after last year |
| 02:23.55 | Technobliterator | than this year |
| 02:24.02 | Technobliterator | but last year did have Uncharted 4 and FFVIIR |
| 02:24.04 | Technobliterator | this did not |
| 02:24.20 | Monet | I was watching TotalBiscuit's broadcast of that so Sony badassery and Cynical British wit. |
| 02:24.42 | Technobliterator | dumbest thing was Crash |
| 02:24.46 | Technobliterator | screw off, Activision |
| 02:24.48 | Monet | That's why I was a little behind |
| 02:24.56 | Technobliterator | best thing probably Zero Dawn |
| 02:25.01 | Technobliterator | or Detroit thingy |
| 02:25.04 | Monet | Activision - Want ot relive your childhood? Give me money! |
| 02:25.08 | Technobliterator | yep |
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| 10:04.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:04.43 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 10:06.37 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:06.41 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 10:09.04 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 10:09.10 | Liquid_Ink | How is everyone? |
| 10:10.17 | Wormydroid | Fine thanks, I'll probably get bored today as I've got to sit at my show all day |
| 10:12.41 | Liquid_Ink | Oh dea |
| 10:12.45 | Liquid_Ink | Dea. |
| 10:15.14 | Wormydroid | InDead |
| 10:16.03 | Liquid_Ink | I played lots of Half-Life today, as part of my soul cleansing. |
| 10:18.02 | Wormydroid | Why does it need cleansing? |
| 10:20.05 | Liquid_Ink | I read an obnoxious rant by a humourless arse about Half-Life being a terrible game, and that Half-Life 3 will never come out. And in the end it turned out to be an overly long ad for Overwatch. |
| 10:21.08 | Wormydroid | Ah |
| 10:21.28 | Liquid_Ink | So now I'm playing through the Half-Life series over again. A holy pilgrimage from the Level 3 Dormitories to the White Forest Base helicoptre hangar. |
| 10:22.00 | Liquid_Ink | We must retain the faith for Half-Life 3. |
| 10:22.12 | Wormydroid | I think Gaben likes to torture fans with H3 so it probably won't. |
| 10:23.22 | Liquid_Ink | I retain faith. |
| 10:23.47 | Liquid_Ink | I acknowledge that Valve are total dicks about it though. |
| 10:26.24 | Wormydroid | ImpyDroid http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36515283 |
| 10:27.38 | Wormydroid | "they do describe a new breed of Russian hooligan - younger, fitter and more sober than his English counterpart". |
| 10:31.07 | ImpyDroid | Probably the ZOZH guys |
| 10:31.22 | ImpyDroid | There is a cult of health among some Russian hooligans |
| 10:31.32 | Wormydroid | Yeah |
| 10:32.20 | ImpyDroid | " |
| 10:32.28 | ImpyDroid | I fucking love our parliament |
| 10:32.55 | Wormydroid | "In the 70s and 80s everyone would bow down before the English," Alexei says. "Now there are different hooligans. These are different times." |
| 10:32.57 | ImpyDroid | "A normal man, as he should be, surprises them," tweeted Vladimir Markin, referring to European outrage at Russian hooligans. "They're used to seeing 'men' at gay parades," he concluded. |
| 10:33.44 | Wormydroid | LMAO, everyone else in Europe wants to rid the sport of hooliganism |
| 10:35.16 | Wormydroid | Thing is though they didn't discriminate fan from hooligan, so its not all that coreageous |
| 10:51.40 | Wormydroid | I don't understand why security was so lacking |
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| 11:42.56 | Wormydroid | http://m.imgur.com/gallery/t7Y3W |
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| 12:06.49 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:07.23 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 12:07.37 | Wormydroid | Did you get home all right? |
| 12:07.54 | Wormydroid | Did you say you came from Kent? |
| 12:08.31 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:11.27 | Monet | Yeah I'm fine. |
| 12:18.14 | Wormydroid | I'm back at my show for its second day |
| 12:18.38 | Wormydroid | Much more quiet |
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| 12:34.10 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:34.49 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:36.00 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:36.46 | Monet | Nintendo today |
| 12:40.39 | OluapPlayer | They have no conference |
| 12:41.21 | Monet | Don't they have like a treehouse thing? |
| 12:41.28 | Monet | Or is that it for this year? |
| 12:42.00 | OluapPlayer | Treehouse is just them letting people play their games at E3 |
| 12:42.19 | OluapPlayer | They have no conference this year, and already confirmed the only new thing they have to show is the new Zelda |
| 12:42.25 | OluapPlayer | E3 is pretty much done this year |
| 12:44.13 | Technobliterator | there's some SE thingy |
| 12:44.18 | Technobliterator | a list of trailers |
| 12:44.20 | Technobliterator | but other than that, eh |
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| 12:48.28 | Monet | Not too bothered. I've said before I'm not that emotionally connected to Nintendo. |
| 12:49.30 | OluapPlayer | No one here really cares for Nintendo by the looks of it |
| 12:50.34 | Wormydroid | Yeah never really played their games since about the year 2000 when I had the Gameboy Colour |
| 12:50.56 | Wormydroid | Not really into the style of game |
| 12:52.22 | Monet | The only investment I think I had was Pokemon. I was playing Spyro during the great ocnsole war. |
| 12:52.37 | Monet | And Crash |
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| 13:07.20 | Monet | Loking over the BEthesda footage |
| 13:08.26 | Monet | Pete Heines looks like an older Joey Tribbilani |
| 13:08.27 | Wormydroid | Bbl |
| 13:09.00 | Monet | Heines - *walks onto stage at E3* How you doin? |
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| 13:22.18 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:23.44 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:26.20 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:50.11 | Monet | ImpyDroid Hachiman: So I was looking though screenshots and foudn this from WItcher III http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/266090679679016829/76AECE4DB8C5F778EC99423014F6B899B113CFEE/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:776&composite-to=*,*|2048:776&background-color=black |
| 13:50.37 | Hachiman | Geralt must be high |
| 13:50.50 | ImpyDroid | Geralt of Equestria |
| 13:51.04 | OluapPlayer | That's a level of the second DLC |
| 13:51.14 | OluapPlayer | Inside of a fairy tale |
| 13:51.41 | Monet | So that' not just a location in this kingdom Geralt visits. |
| 13:51.46 | OluapPlayer | No |
| 13:52.01 | Monet | Still... |
| 13:52.19 | Monet | I agree with Imp this looks straihght out of MLP. WHich makes total sense if it's a fairy tale. |
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| 13:52.38 | OluapPlayer | It's an illusion in the form of a fairy tale land originally created to appease a pair of princesses |
| 13:53.11 | Wormydroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.16 | Monet | I now have this image of Roach talking and having a tattoo on its thigh. |
| 13:53.25 | OluapPlayer | The tower in the middle is Rapunzel's |
| 13:53.30 | OluapPlayer | You find her hung on her own hair |
| 13:54.09 | Monet | And we're back i nclassic Witcher territory |
| 13:54.40 | OluapPlayer | It's a funny place though because you can take a Witcher contract for a goose |
| 13:54.43 | OluapPlayer | Literally just a goose |
| 13:54.57 | OluapPlayer | It lays a golden egg when you're done |
| 13:55.26 | Monet | I'm now interested just to see how many fairy tales are shown in this one level. |
| 13:56.28 | OluapPlayer | Rapunzel, Three Little Piggies, Jack and the Beanstalk, Red Riding Hood |
| 13:56.29 | OluapPlayer | and a couple others |
| 13:58.20 | Monet | Well the Brother's Grimm were German and for a time parts of poland were territories of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. |
| 13:58.36 | Monet | Well, Austria and Prussia |
| 13:59.46 | Monet | Hard t otell if this territory you visit is reflecting Italy, Austria, or a mix of both. |
| 14:00.07 | Monet | I get a very Mediterranian vibe fro mthe architecture. |
| 14:00.32 | OluapPlayer | Toussant is meant to be Italy-inspired I think |
| 14:01.04 | Monet | "To9ussant" sounds more like Southern France/ |
| 14:02.28 | Monet | Parts of which look like this http://www.rentalvillafrance.com/pictures/france/rental-french-riviera.jpg |
| 14:03.47 | Monet | Or this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Fuerstenhof_zu_Monaco.jpg |
| 14:05.38 | Monet | (technically Monaco but it's still on the Côte d'Azur) |
| 14:07.59 | Monet | Checking names now... |
| 14:09.44 | Jepardi | Toussaint is like 100% France with all its vineyards and names like de la Croix |
| 14:11.05 | OluapPlayer | Eh I don't know nationalities nor do I care |
| 14:11.11 | OluapPlayer | All I know is there's a lot of wine there |
| 14:11.22 | OluapPlayer | And de la Croix is literally a pun on DLC |
| 14:11.44 | Monet | Jepardi: I get a Southern French vibe |
| 14:11.58 | Monet | As northern France can be somewhat dreary. |
| 14:12.00 | Wormydroid | Ghelae, Monet. My application to the university of Nottingham has been successful |
| 14:12.09 | Ghelae | Congratulations. |
| 14:12.31 | Monet | Reynart de Bois-Fresnes is definitely French |
| 14:12.38 | Monet | Wormydroid: Nice! |
| 14:12.49 | Wormydroid | Thanks, I'm very pleased |
| 14:13.43 | Monet | Although Italy is understandable |
| 14:14.19 | Monet | As Toussaint became famosu for winrs grown using volanic soil, which is reminiscent of Naples and Sicily. |
| 14:14.25 | Monet | wines* |
| 14:17.07 | Wormydroid | The French have a name gor that, terroir |
| 14:17.14 | Wormydroid | For |
| 14:18.19 | Monet | True |
| 14:19.43 | Monet | Though grapes enriched by volcanic soil sounds a lot like Naples and Sicily. |
| 14:21.08 | Monet | I can understand the confusion as Southern France (Due to its Roman history and mediteranian climate) could be confusedarchitecturally for Italy. |
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| 15:03.37 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 15:05.21 | Monet | Hello |
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| 15:07.37 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 15:07.46 | infobot | ACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead |
| 15:10.23 | Cyrannian | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhCnA4bH84g - interesting details about this new Banished faction, apparently it fought against the Covenant |
| 15:11.03 | Hachiman | Hm curious |
| 15:12.03 | Hachiman | Huh so the Spirit of Fire crew awoke in the post-Covenant era |
| 15:13.41 | Hachiman | Atriox does seem like a very interesting villain based on what the developers are saying |
| 15:14.30 | Hachiman | I am just hoping that he is as deep and intimidating as they say he is |
| 15:14.37 | Cyrannian | Indeed, interesting that he wears human armour too |
| 15:15.17 | Hachiman | Oh he is? |
| 15:15.40 | Cyrannian | http://www.halopedia.org/Atriox - apparently so |
| 15:16.26 | Monet | Okay watching the Halo Wars trailer now |
| 15:16.49 | AdmiralPanda | according to that wiki page, it's salvaged armour- he made it from bits and pieces he collected from defeated UNSC foes |
| 15:17.04 | AdmiralPanda | which iirc is a thing brutes did anyway |
| 15:17.29 | Hachiman | Yeah, Brutes are all about scavenging and reconverting stuff rather than actually making stuff of their own |
| 15:17.38 | Cyrannian | It's interesting that he has Sangheili fighting for him too |
| 15:18.04 | Monet | And the Halo Wars trailer told me...absolutely nothing besidesp otential units to use |
| 15:18.12 | Hachiman | I was gonna say |
| 15:18.21 | Hachiman | There are actual gameplay videos of Halo Wars 2 |
| 15:18.27 | Hachiman | They showed gameplay at E3 |
| 15:18.31 | Monet | Good. |
| 15:18.44 | Hachiman | As I was saying, I was gonna say that Sangheili serving Atriox is rather bizarre |
| 15:20.31 | AdmiralPanda | the game side of me says well they couldn't exactly have a halo game with no elites (although they were only mentioned in ODST), the lore side of me says probably something to do with them being a warrior culture |
| 15:20.39 | AdmiralPanda | ideological variation and whatnot |
| 15:20.52 | Monet | The wiki calls the Banished a mercenary organisation |
| 15:22.13 | Monet | And were fighting the Covenant before the Great Schism |
| 15:23.23 | Cyrannian | In the Arbiter's Swords of Sanghelios, Elites can be subservient to experienced Grunts (http://www.halopedia.org/Stolt ), so it may be a similar situation |
| 15:23.42 | Hachiman | Jesus what |
| 15:24.03 | Monet | Those must be some fucking hardass grunts. |
| 15:24.03 | Hachiman | That's a fucking badass Grunt |
| 15:24.33 | Monet | Can you imagine a Gretchin warlord? |
| 15:24.57 | Hachiman | Well |
| 15:24.58 | Hachiman | There are |
| 15:24.59 | Cyrannian | "He was capable of besting any Sangheili he sparred with, generally enduring their melee strikes until they grew tired, before beating the opponent into submission with his powerful hands and feet." |
| 15:25.06 | Hachiman | And there are also goblin warlords in WHFB |
| 15:25.46 | Hachiman | In WHFB, there are forest-dwelling goblins who outright hunt and eat Orks |
| 15:25.56 | Monet | Aitox: The galaxy's toughest boxer. |
| 15:26.14 | Monet | WHFB is slightly different as the goblins are more independant. |
| 15:26.17 | OluapPlayer | Goblins and gretchin don't act alike though |
| 15:27.03 | Monet | Aitrox's tactic is quite common among heavyweight boxers I think. |
| 15:28.12 | Hachiman | Who? |
| 15:28.26 | Monet | Atriox* |
| 15:28.32 | Hachiman | Oh, Atriox |
| 15:28.57 | Monet | I think Ali might have been one such practitioner. |
| 15:28.59 | Cyrannian | Also it's exciting to see the Ark again, it wasn't explored enough in Halo 3 |
| 15:29.11 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 15:29.49 | Hachiman | Monet: I thought Ali was more about making his opponents waste their energy while dancing around them? |
| 15:29.57 | Hachiman | Granted I'm not all up to scratch in the boxing scene |
| 15:30.11 | Monet | He might have been |
| 15:30.18 | Monet | "float like a butterfly sting like a bee" |
| 15:31.17 | Hachiman | I feel sorry for the Spirit of Fire crew because if they survive Halo Wars 2 I imagine they will inevitably end up appearing in the shitpit that will be Halo 6 and have to fight those boring robots |
| 15:32.12 | Hachiman | tfw the spinoff game has a far more enticing premise than the actual main series |
| 15:33.21 | Cyrannian | I hope Serena is still around, though given the lifespan of AIs, probably not |
| 15:33.42 | Hachiman | Either she is kaput or has gone rampant |
| 15:34.26 | Monet | Still, I have my doubtso n Halo Wars two because console is not friendly to the RTS format |
| 15:34.35 | Technobliterator | It'll be out on PC |
| 15:34.40 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 15:34.43 | Cyrannian | It's on Windows 10 too thankfully |
| 15:34.48 | Technobliterator | They basically confirmed there will be zero Xbox One exclusives from now on |
| 15:34.54 | Technobliterator | Every exclusive is just Xbox One and Windows 10 |
| 15:34.56 | OluapPlayer | It's a PC game, they were on stage going on about it will have PC controls |
| 15:34.58 | Technobliterator | they see the writing on the wall |
| 15:35.12 | Monet | Its' coming otu on both Xbox and WIn10 |
| 15:35.13 | Hachiman | EXCLUSIVE TO XBOX ONE AND WINDOWS 10 |
| 15:35.18 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeZTgfFLjo - Also I liked Halo 5, the funny dialogue reminded me of the old games |
| 15:35.31 | Technobliterator | And it almost makes me want Windows 10 |
| 15:35.33 | Technobliterator | almost |
| 15:35.33 | Cyrannian | "You hit me! And you hurt my feelings too!" |
| 15:35.46 | OluapPlayer | Exclusive to Windows would be faster to say |
| 15:36.01 | Technobliterator | I agree |
| 15:36.19 | Technobliterator | I think it's pretty clear there will be no Xbox after Xbox One |
| 15:36.20 | Monet | I think all these exclusives is due ot DX12 |
| 15:36.27 | Hachiman | "They're shooting out heads? I keep my brains in there!" |
| 15:36.34 | Technobliterator | no, it's just due to MS' business plan |
| 15:36.53 | Technobliterator | it's an insurance policy for the |
| 15:36.54 | Technobliterator | m |
| 15:37.00 | Technobliterator | they don't expect consoles to last very long |
| 15:37.10 | Technobliterator | That's my theory, anyway |
| 15:37.14 | Hachiman | My only real fear about Halo Wars 2 is that I feel it might contest with Dawn of War 3 |
| 15:37.16 | Cyrannian | "They shot his face! His greatest weakness!" |
| 15:37.20 | Monet | So not quite that DX12 is only compatible with WIndows 10 |
| 15:37.21 | Technobliterator | I reckon any Xbox after this will just be like Steam Bix |
| 15:37.23 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 15:37.25 | Technobliterator | Steam Box |
| 15:37.34 | Monet | Or steam box. |
| 15:37.41 | Technobliterator | they should really push for DX12 a lot |
| 15:37.46 | Technobliterator | otherwise Vulkan will overtake it fast |
| 15:38.03 | Technobliterator | I personally hope that happens |
| 15:38.05 | Monet | What I do know is that if you have WIndows 7 like me, you can't use DX12 |
| 15:38.22 | Technobliterator | yeah, it's another thing they're doing to just push people to move to 10 |
| 15:38.28 | Technobliterator | they don't want to repeat the 8 disaster |
| 15:38.44 | Technobliterator | but they can't really be complacent with their OS anymore |
| 15:39.07 | Technobliterator | since it mightn't be long before Android starts to be serious competition |
| 15:39.29 | Hachiman | I really hope HW2 and DoW3 do not end up hurting one another's chance of success |
| 15:39.39 | Technobliterator | I dunno why they would |
| 15:39.54 | Technobliterator | When is DoW3 out? |
| 15:39.57 | AdmiralPanda | the halo and warhammer40k fanbases overlap quite a bit |
| 15:40.18 | OluapPlayer | 2017 |
| 15:40.26 | Technobliterator | man |
| 15:40.31 | Technobliterator | so many games I want from 2017 already |
| 15:41.04 | Technobliterator | I wonder if VR is worth it yet |
| 15:41.13 | Hachiman | From what I have seen, it's not |
| 15:41.39 | Technobliterator | I've used it, it was great, but it costs a lot |
| 15:41.43 | Technobliterator | I may wait until next year |
| 15:41.45 | Technobliterator | or just get it now |
| 15:41.53 | OluapPlayer | I don't see the appeal of VR |
| 15:42.26 | Technobliterator | oh it's really great |
| 15:42.48 | Hachiman | Neither do I; it has the same weakness as the original Wii in that it requires a moderate, if not larger, space to play in and it doesn't have a conventional controller option |
| 15:43.08 | Hachiman | Or at least, I don't recall VR using a conventional controller |
| 15:43.28 | Technobliterator | Urm |
| 15:43.31 | OluapPlayer | Wii doesn't need space to play |
| 15:43.32 | Technobliterator | it doesn't require much space |
| 15:43.38 | OluapPlayer | It's about motion controls |
| 15:43.40 | Technobliterator | I really do not get however |
| 15:43.50 | Technobliterator | wtf is with that backpack pc and VR |
| 15:43.54 | Technobliterator | that looks like the worst idea |
| 15:44.04 | Monet | I have mental gaps with the Halo franchise. Possibly from not owning an Xbox or really using an Xbox when I did get one. |
| 15:44.05 | Technobliterator | people would just smash into walls all the time |
| 15:44.26 | OluapPlayer | gotta promote that alienware |
| 15:44.27 | OluapPlayer | ayy |
| 15:44.40 | Hachiman | lmao |
| 15:44.53 | OluapPlayer | It literally had an alien head logo in it |
| 15:44.54 | OluapPlayer | ayy |
| 15:45.08 | Hachiman | alien head shitkid |
| 15:45.14 | OluapPlayer | fuk off projared |
| 15:45.58 | Hachiman | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HymvG0pVzew/Va-WAoYcPHI/AAAAAAAABf4/mNRbqKqKf5U/w426-h496/da2.png |
| 15:46.31 | Technobliterator | it was the stupidest idea I've ever seen |
| 15:47.00 | Technobliterator | I'm not sure if I'm hyped majorly for any of those VR games at all |
| 15:47.09 | Monet | You can play these VRs sitting down. |
| 15:47.47 | Technobliterator | Battlefront VR looks interesting |
| 15:48.00 | Hachiman | YOU ARE THE NAZI |
| 15:48.02 | Technobliterator | I imagine they'll add some VR mode to Mass Effect space battles or something as well |
| 15:48.08 | Hachiman | YOU CAN GAS THE JEWS: ALL IN VR |
| 15:48.16 | OluapPlayer | random |
| 15:48.21 | Technobliterator | considering how VR was tacked on to tons of games |
| 15:48.37 | Hachiman | Tacking on VR to RE7 seems to be an interesting decision |
| 15:48.56 | OluapPlayer | I was gonna say "SPORTS VR" but that's literally most VR games already |
| 15:49.54 | Technobliterator | On RE7, it makes a lot of sense, and doesn't feel tacked on, it's a horror game |
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| 15:50.28 | Technobliterator | On Battlefront, it's like, why are space battles not a thing in the game already ._. |
| 15:51.04 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 15:51.20 | Hachiman | Also I misread Battlefront as Battlefield |
| 15:51.27 | Hachiman | Which is why I brought up the Nazi thing hur |
| 15:51.31 | Cyrannian | There's a Death Star DLC coming out, so that's something |
| 15:51.37 | Hachiman | And yes I am fully aware that Battlefield is WW1 |
| 15:51.45 | OluapPlayer | u fucked up |
| 15:52.12 | Monet | EA: U like star wars? Good, we like money, here's DLC. |
| 15:52.48 | Technobliterator | EA's Star Wars thing was just so bad |
| 15:52.54 | Technobliterator | "hi guys we have people employed" |
| 15:52.59 | Technobliterator | "we're totally making games guys" |
| 15:53.04 | Technobliterator | "please have faith in us" |
| 15:53.10 | Technobliterator | "we're not gonna show you anything though" |
| 15:53.18 | Technobliterator | but they basically confirmed KOTOR 3 or KOTOR remake |
| 15:53.26 | Cyrannian | They did? |
| 15:53.42 | Technobliterator | yeah, it was painfully obvious |
| 15:53.45 | OluapPlayer | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/134/857/196.jpg my favorite character from the movies |
| 15:53.47 | Technobliterator | they said in the trailer |
| 15:53.55 | Monet | They said "beyond the old republic" |
| 15:53.59 | Monet | I think |
| 15:54.00 | Technobliterator | "and beyond The Old Republic we have a lot of stories we want to tell" |
| 15:54.06 | Technobliterator | so it's like |
| 15:54.09 | Technobliterator | so painfully obvious |
| 15:54.18 | Technobliterator | then there's that one game that looks like Uncharted Star Wars |
| 15:54.22 | Cyrannian | I assumed that was just talking about Knights of the Fallen Empire |
| 15:54.38 | Cyrannian | Though they did say that they'd be exploring a new era, which could mean the canon Old Republic I suppose |
| 15:54.45 | Monet | Yeah I agree 'old republic' sounds like he means 'Falen EMpire' |
| 15:54.58 | Monet | Old Republic or maybe New Republic. |
| 15:55.15 | Cyrannian | Though I would have assumed that was referencing the era of the new movies, which haven't really been explored yet outside the movie |
| 15:55.45 | Monet | That's the thing |
| 15:55.55 | Monet | "beyond the Old Republic" is REALLY broad. |
| 15:56.56 | Cyrannian | Although the TOR era is probably the best option if they want to make a new RPG in the future |
| 15:57.43 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but |
| 15:57.50 | Technobliterator | it's so obvious what they're planning on doing |
| 15:57.56 | Technobliterator | But we may be waiting years |
| 15:58.04 | Monet | THat's just making assumptions. |
| 15:58.33 | Monet | We saw clips from what looks like the Imperial Civil War era. |
| 16:01.11 | Monet | Galactic Civil War sorry |
| 16:02.21 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnSVG4PWW0 - what are dis |
| 16:03.18 | Technobliterator | It's making assumptions based on evidence |
| 16:03.20 | Technobliterator | and the evidence is |
| 16:03.28 | Technobliterator | plenty of rumours about KOTOR remake |
| 16:03.41 | Technobliterator | plenty of KOTOR popularity |
| 16:03.49 | Technobliterator | a massive patch to KOTOR II coming from nowhere |
| 16:03.59 | Technobliterator | a studio invested in KOTOR |
| 16:04.30 | Technobliterator | and a publisher that would bring back big names of past Star Wars games - like Battlefront - because they know how well it sells |
| 16:04.33 | Technobliterator | it's so obvious |
| 16:04.38 | Monet | I'm still going to wait until I hear official information before jumping on the "KOTOR III" bandwagon. |
| 16:05.24 | Cyrannian | Well I'll admit I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was in the works |
| 16:05.27 | Monet | Until I hear an announcement, rumours are rumours. |
| 16:06.42 | Monet | Generating an powering hype is just such a massive strategy these days, |
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| 16:08.59 | OluapPlayer | spo |
| 16:09.04 | Xho | o |
| 16:09.29 | Xho | So how was the Sony conference |
| 16:09.42 | OluapPlayer | Was good |
| 16:10.19 | Technobliterator | extremely good |
| 16:10.21 | OluapPlayer | Lots of games, very little talking |
| 16:10.21 | Technobliterator | By far the best one |
| 16:10.30 | Technobliterator | biggest disappointment |
| 16:10.32 | Technobliterator | CRASH IS BACK |
| 16:10.36 | Technobliterator | LOL NO FOOTAGE YOU CARE ABOUT |
| 16:10.42 | Technobliterator | LOL HES ONLY USED TO SELL SKYLANDERS TOYS |
| 16:10.46 | Technobliterator | HAHAHA FUCK YOUR CHILDHOOD |
| 16:11.03 | Xho | qq |
| 16:11.19 | Technobliterator | remaking Crash 1-3 |
| 16:11.21 | Technobliterator | no footage |
| 16:11.32 | OluapPlayer | Remasters, not remakes |
| 16:11.32 | Technobliterator | Crash still with Activision |
| 16:11.40 | Technobliterator | no, it's remakes |
| 16:11.41 | Technobliterator | they said from the ground up |
| 16:11.45 | Hachiman | Time for Crash to get raped like Spyro |
| 16:11.47 | OluapPlayer | They said remasters |
| 16:11.50 | OluapPlayer | Not remakes |
| 16:11.53 | Technobliterator | they must've mispoken when they said remasters |
| 16:11.58 | OluapPlayer | The games will look identical |
| 16:12.02 | Technobliterator | devs do that all the time |
| 16:12.05 | Technobliterator | it's made from the ground up |
| 16:12.08 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 16:12.13 | Technobliterator | if you're right, then we should be even more mad |
| 16:12.21 | Technobliterator | but I think they said ground up for a reason |
| 16:12.23 | Technobliterator | I hope they did anyway |
| 16:12.31 | Hachiman | Yeah; a buzz sentence |
| 16:12.39 | Hachiman | Or buzz term |
| 16:12.43 | Hachiman | Or some shit, iunno |
| 16:12.49 | Imperios | Hachiman Technobliterator: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/13/sadiq-khan-moves-to-ban-body-shaming-ads-from-london-transport DAMMIT KEBAB MAYOR |
| 16:12.52 | Imperios | WE LOVED YOU |
| 16:12.55 | AdmiralPanda | ok here's the thing, they actually HAVE to build it from the ground up because you basically couldn't take the existing assets and update them |
| 16:12.55 | Monet | Xho: Content aside, Sony presented from an opera house basically. |
| 16:13.01 | Xho | jesus |
| 16:13.19 | Technobliterator | meh, either way |
| 16:13.27 | Technobliterator | I have no confidence in anything Activision does |
| 16:13.37 | Hachiman | Imperios: But this is a good thing |
| 16:13.44 | Monet | One time the CEO (was he the CEO?) walked on as an orchestra played the Mars section of The Planets. |
| 16:14.18 | Imperios | Hachiman: Well these posters weren't good but neither they were bad |
| 16:14.23 | Technobliterator | god of war and horizon zero dawn were probably the best |
| 16:14.31 | Hachiman | New God of War looks so |
| 16:14.32 | Xho | Well |
| 16:14.33 | Hachiman | Mmm I love it |
| 16:14.37 | OluapPlayer | Sony's CEO is Kaz Hirai |
| 16:14.44 | OluapPlayer | He's not been on this E3 or the last one |
| 16:14.52 | Monet | Not the CEO then |
| 16:14.56 | Technobliterator | yeah, he's the CEO of the whole company |
| 16:15.02 | Technobliterator | not just the Interactive Entertainment part anymore |
| 16:15.05 | Xho | There are worse ways |
| 16:15.11 | Technobliterator | I dunno what Days Gone is about |
| 16:15.16 | OluapPlayer | Zombies |
| 16:15.18 | Hachiman | From what I can gather, Kratos faked his death at the end of GoW 3 and moved to Valhalla to restart his life over |
| 16:15.19 | Technobliterator | why do Sony need that when they have TLoU anyway |
| 16:15.25 | Xho | Fucking zombies seriously |
| 16:15.35 | OluapPlayer | yabba my icing |
| 16:15.37 | Technobliterator | like, literally, what is the point? |
| 16:15.41 | Technobliterator | oh, Spider-Man by Insomniac |
| 16:15.44 | Technobliterator | I'm super hyped for that |
| 16:15.52 | Xho | I'd almost hate to say it but man I hate zombie games |
| 16:16.01 | Technobliterator | I do as well |
| 16:16.03 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: So what you're saying is, he moved so he could fuck over a whole new pantheon, and fuck half a whole new pantheon |
| 16:16.15 | Monet | Days GOne was interesting up until they showed zombies. |
| 16:16.21 | AdmiralPanda | I like well done zombie games, I dont' like zombies for luls zombie games |
| 16:16.22 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Just wait till he gets to YHWH |
| 16:16.24 | Technobliterator | Unless it's like |
| 16:16.26 | Hachiman | He moved to live in peace but will just so happen to fuck over a new pantheon in doing so somehow hur |
| 16:16.33 | Technobliterator | not made by Sony |
| 16:16.40 | AdmiralPanda | Kratos - Peace - pick one |
| 16:16.41 | Technobliterator | or Naughty Dog are not making a new TLoU |
| 16:16.54 | Technobliterator | it seems really pointless |
| 16:17.00 | OluapPlayer | Seems to be a PS4 exclusive |
| 16:17.03 | Hachiman | >teaches his step-son how to go hunting >ends up fighting a fucking troll |
| 16:17.08 | Hachiman | Kratos has a hard life |
| 16:17.09 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 16:17.13 | Technobliterator | Days Gone is open world |
| 16:17.15 | OluapPlayer | I think all games shown are PS4 exclusive except Kojimbo's |
| 16:17.16 | Technobliterator | TLoU is not |
| 16:17.21 | OluapPlayer | His game is a timed exclusive |
| 16:17.26 | Monet | Still...zombies. |
| 16:17.30 | Technobliterator | no, not the VR games |
| 16:17.36 | Monet | And no even TLoU's mutant zombies. |
| 16:17.37 | Technobliterator | the other ones are |
| 16:17.39 | Hachiman | Zombie games and movies have grown stale; the zombie market in general needs to take like a 10 year break or something |
| 16:17.42 | AdmiralPanda | we're talking about a dude so pointlessly bloodthirsty he managed to fuck the traditional greek narrative alongside half the female members of the greek pantheon |
| 16:18.05 | Hachiman | Well, not *pointlessly*; he was MASSIVELY fucked over by the Greek gods who are canon assholes |
| 16:18.52 | Hachiman | Although now I do recall that time he crushed someone's skull while yelling at them to read a book |
| 16:18.52 | OluapPlayer | My only experience with God of War is when I played some of it at... someone's house, I don't remember who anymore |
| 16:19.00 | Technobliterator | bbl |
| 16:19.01 | OluapPlayer | It had the Colossus of Rhodes being a dick around |
| 16:19.09 | Hachiman | Yeah, God of War II |
| 16:19.49 | AdmiralPanda | GoW I was a traditional greek narrative, after that it just got progressively more and more "I'm angry blargh" |
| 16:19.54 | Monet | That giant was Talos. But the two are similar in purpse. |
| 16:20.26 | Hachiman | I still liked GoW 2 even if it did stray from the Greek narrative, and GoW 3 was eh |
| 16:20.38 | Hachiman | Not bad but not all that great either |
| 16:20.47 | AdmiralPanda | and tbh, as far as getting fucked over by gods, Kratos is pretty low on the list |
| 16:21.27 | AdmiralPanda | like the guy who made a feasting hall out of a sacred tree; he was cursed with eternal hunger to the point that he ate every animal, every grain and every person in his domain, including his own family and eventually himself |
| 16:21.37 | Xho | kek |
| 16:21.53 | Hachiman | Fucking hell |
| 16:21.55 | OluapPlayer | "Now that the press conference is over, the orchestra is staying to play music for the PS Vita funeral" |
| 16:22.02 | Hachiman | olol |
| 16:22.52 | Hachiman | Still, GoW 4 looks good from first impressions; it looks like it plays solid and I like the fact that they seemed to have given Kratos more character |
| 16:24.02 | Monet | He spent the entire trailer calling his son "boy", but I guess that's better than before |
| 16:24.20 | Hachiman | It's not his son |
| 16:24.26 | Hachiman | It's his step-son from what it looks like |
| 16:24.28 | OluapPlayer | Kid called him father |
| 16:25.15 | Monet | I'd have been okay if Kratos said the boy's name once and then called him 'boy' for the rest of it. |
| 16:26.16 | Hachiman | What I find curious is that the kid had a part in the combat segment |
| 16:26.19 | Xho | Imperios: "If you're offended by body shaming ads perhaps you should lose some fucking weight lol" |
| 16:26.49 | Hachiman | So he could be more than just an excuse for Kratos to go on another rampage |
| 16:26.53 | Imperios | Yep |
| 16:27.18 | Imperios | People are making a false equivalency when they talk about body shaming and objectification |
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| 16:27.37 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 16:27.42 | Imperios | It's not caring about appearance that matters; it is caring about nothing else |
| 16:29.47 | Monet | I'm with Imperios. Society's just gotten crazy over size-zero waistlines. |
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| 16:32.30 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 16:32.35 | Imperios | It is true that society nowadays is a bit too shallow and obsessed with appearance |
| 16:35.27 | Wormydroid | Because its easier to sell |
| 16:38.49 | Monet | Corporate interest has taken over. |
| 16:39.23 | Monet | And morality or decency can hinder sales. |
| 16:46.59 | Imperios | ^ Aye |
| 16:47.12 | Imperios | I blame the existence of geek fandoms on them too |
| 16:47.18 | Imperios | Damn the capitalists |
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| 16:48.15 | OluapPlayer | u no guest |
| 16:49.24 | Monet | Xho: I'm thinking of getting Fallout 4. What's your take o nthe game? |
| 16:50.17 | AdmiralPanda | I'll wait till Spu says his bit before I say mine, but I think we're going to have similar opinions |
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| 16:51.20 | Spu_ | Son of a bitch |
| 16:51.42 | AdmiralPanda | heh |
| 16:52.19 | Monet | Spu_: I'm thinking of getting Fallout 4. What's your take on the game? |
| 16:52.33 | Spu_ | Worth it but don't expect the same experience as 3 or New Vegas |
| 16:53.32 | AdmiralPanda | ^, specifically it's much lighter on the scripted RP, but a much tighter combat system |
| 16:53.51 | AdmiralPanda | but if you want to micro-manage a settlement empire and build a story around it, holy shit |
| 16:54.05 | AdmiralPanda | although I will highly recommend a mod to you if that's your plan |
| 16:54.13 | Monet | Go for it |
| 16:54.19 | Monet | I am a sucker for empire-building |
| 16:54.41 | AdmiralPanda | I'll find the specific name later, but basically what it does is slow down the rate of Minuteman (the settlement-based faction) radiant quests |
| 16:55.06 | AdmiralPanda | normally, you have three at most, and typically speaking you get a new one almost as soon as you finished the last one, to the point that they basically become a pain in the arse |
| 16:55.49 | AdmiralPanda | the mod sets the cap at one, reduces the chance that a quest will be generated on a given tick, and adds a cooldown period between when you hand in a quest and when you can get another one |
| 16:57.08 | AdmiralPanda | when Xho gets back I'm sure he can attest to the bore of talking to Mr. Gravey-boat |
| 16:57.23 | AdmiralPanda | but you eventually get artillery, which is pretty sweet |
| 16:57.25 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://cs626919.vk.me/v626919526/134a6/0FW8xcalorc.jpg |
| 16:58.00 | Hachiman | Dumb Spongebob meme |
| 16:59.30 | OluapPlayer | spinglebab |
| 16:59.50 | Imperios | bah |
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| 17:04.24 | Charles_Sleepy | Good morning! |
| 17:05.04 | Ghelaway | Hello. |
| 17:05.04 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:05.35 | Monet | OKay I'm watching the PC Gamer footage. |
| 17:05.40 | Monet | For Halo Wars 2 |
| 17:06.20 | AdmiralPanda | hopefully it's a bit less simplistic than 1 |
| 17:06.30 | Tek0516 | Charles_Sleepy: Afternoon! *yawns* |
| 17:06.55 | Charles_Sleepy | Tek0516 ;) |
| 17:06.59 | Monet | Its got Battle For MIddle Earth style base-building |
| 17:07.02 | AdmiralPanda | multiplayer in 1 basically came down to hoping you were rushing the unit that wasn't going to be hard countered by the other guy's unit |
| 17:08.35 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20160614.png |
| 17:10.32 | AdmiralPanda | I can tell you which one's missing the point too- the philosopher |
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| 17:17.27 | Spu | mate wtf |
| 17:18.24 | OluapPlayer | quit ur dyin |
| 17:20.48 | Spu | My internet connection is going all Dark Souls on me |
| 17:24.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Charles_Murray: Good evening |
| 17:25.45 | Spu | Hm what to do |
| 17:25.51 | OluapPlayer | stoof |
| 17:36.09 | Charles_Sleepy | "Led by the [[Fiction:French Republic|French Republic]], these nations established their own system of alliances, economic relationships, and diplomatic agreements throughout the [[Fiction:Xonexi Cluster|Xonexi Cluster]], and came into conflict with established systems and norms. By the late 2790's, a series of overlapping and > |
| 17:36.10 | Charles_Sleepy | conflicting claims between the old and the new systems brought about a polarization and militarization of both the Delphan and human camps." |
| 17:36.14 | Charles_Sleepy | Too much? |
| 17:40.36 | Monet | I think it works. |
| 18:13.51 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer Hachiman: You know, one thing has been bugging me for a while |
| 18:14.05 | DanzaDelMondo | "After a few weeks passed, Kryptkor declared his Andromedan kin to be independant, forming the Borealia Kingdom and aligning himself to the Golden Movement's cause. After this, he took Kalcedia Myran as a prisoner under Crispy's request." |
| 18:14.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Do/did Crispy-aligned Borezane only have territory in Andromeda? |
| 18:14.43 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 18:14.58 | DanzaDelMondo | What happened to their Borealis territories? Did the Brood manage to keep their influence for the time being or did the Wranploer reclaim them? |
| 18:15.11 | OluapPlayer | They belong to the PCA |
| 18:15.32 | OluapPlayer | Hachi made a faction called Merchant Fleets which he never wrote about, which is meant to be the Borealis Borezane government |
| 18:15.46 | Hachiman | *A* Borezane government |
| 18:16.09 | OluapPlayer | The, there are no others anymore |
| 18:16.37 | Hachiman | So there aren't any pirate kingdoms anymore? |
| 18:17.09 | OluapPlayer | If there are, they aren't large enough to be relevant like the Merchant Fleets or the Borealia Kingdom |
| 18:17.15 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 18:18.17 | OluapPlayer | As of the current day, the Merchant Fleets are supposed to be the only big Borezane government left |
| 18:18.27 | OluapPlayer | Since the Borealia Kingdom is dissolved during the Golden Movement |
| 18:18.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Rite |
| 18:29.09 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f1/Phoenix_.png/revision/latest?cb=20160614182848 - take a look |
| 18:29.19 | Hachiman | Ooh nice |
| 18:31.52 | OluapPlayer | Looks good |
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| 18:36.12 | Vincent20100 | Hey guys! |
| 18:36.25 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 18:36.36 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 18:37.41 | Vincent20100 | Got distracted a bit from the fiction-verse recently, thanks to Victoria 2 and HOI4 |
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| 19:08.57 | Xho | Connection skills are poor |
| 19:09.58 | OluapPlayer | ded |
| 19:13.44 | Xho | I want to do Storm Chaser but Hachi is a college dum dum |
| 19:13.59 | OluapPlayer | He has no college today |
| 19:15.40 | Xho | HOOOOOOO |
| 19:15.49 | Xho | Hachiman: u available |
| 19:16.29 | Hachiman | I mean, I am but I might not be all there since I'm a little occupied |
| 19:16.59 | Xho | Eh let's give it a go |
| 19:17.04 | Xho | Haven't done anything for ages |
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| 19:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 19:21.03 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:21.06 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:24.55 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 19:30.06 | Monet | The repsonse of the general Film community to Warcraft: The BEginnign has been savage |
| 19:30.23 | Monet | Film critics have just torn that film apart. |
| 19:33.39 | Jepardi | You really shouldn't listen to them in this regard |
| 19:34.53 | Jepardi | The movie is geared more towards long term fans, so anyone without a good understanding of the story might be a little lost |
| 19:35.03 | Monet | Aye |
| 19:36.22 | Monet | The ones who found it okay seemed to be the ones who knew their lore or who played Warcraft |
| 19:38.21 | Hachiman | Apparently even casual movie goers thought it wasn't as bad as what the critics are saying |
| 19:39.37 | Monet | Coul it be the critics are less willing ot let go of 'its about vidoe games' |
| 19:39.49 | Monet | The story could be smoother, won't lie. |
| 20:00.09 | Hachiman | "Why be vegan when you can just kill yourself?" |
| 20:00.25 | DanzaDelMondo | I don't get it |
| 20:01.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: I presume it was Warcraft's aesthetics that turned the critics off |
| 20:01.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Along with the hammy plot |
| 20:01.58 | DanzaDelMondo | I mean Warcraft is very brightly coloured and completely unrealistic, it does not really compare with other fantasy franchises out there |
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| 20:14.35 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:14.41 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 20:14.46 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:16.48 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: Let me know if you want to do some collabverse stuff |
| 20:17.15 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 20:18.53 | OluapPlayer | Xho: u ded |
| 20:18.57 | Xho | i kno |
| 20:20.08 | Xho | It's not loading |
| 20:20.15 | Hachiman | Same here |
| 20:21.24 | Xho | 502'd |
| 20:22.06 | OluapPlayer | titanded |
| 20:22.26 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: I just had a silly idea |
| 20:22.37 | Monet | Shoot |
| 20:22.51 | The_Randomness | Titanpad seems to be working for me now |
| 20:23.03 | DanzaDelMondo | I remember making Fictionverse Klaxxa once |
| 20:23.18 | DanzaDelMondo | They could work as Britannic Commonwealth clients |
| 20:24.04 | Monet | You did? |
| 20:24.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Years ago yeah |
| 20:24.28 | DanzaDelMondo | THey're probably not canon now but that's where could bring them in |
| 20:26.27 | Monet | Could do. |
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| 20:34.23 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 20:34.42 | Wormydroid | News from http://www.nationstates.net/nation=coalition_delpha |
| 20:35.24 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: When do you think you'll be available to do some more collabverse stuff? |
| 20:36.10 | Cyrannian | Wormydroid: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cyrandia - take a look at mine |
| 20:36.38 | Wormydroid | The_Randomness after tomorrow |
| 20:36.43 | The_Randomness | Sounds good |
| 20:39.49 | Wormydroid | Cyrannian. Both our natipns hate privatisation it seems |
| 20:39.57 | Wormydroid | Nations |
| 20:40.41 | Cyrannian | Even the most seemingly minor issue can change the nation, so it wasn't really intentional |
| 20:41.03 | Monet | Did your ocuntries accept an AI managing the conomy? |
| 20:41.12 | Monet | economy* |
| 20:41.12 | Wormydroid | Yeah, it lists the DCP as socially progressive |
| 20:41.18 | Cyrannian | Monet: Indeed |
| 20:41.33 | Monet | THat's the reason i believe |
| 20:41.41 | Wormydroid | But its slowly getting to understand my conception |
| 20:42.22 | Cyrannian | http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cyrandia/detail=trend - You can spot when I adapted it when I created the CyraEmp :P |
| 20:42.37 | Monet | By siging over your economy ot a state-owend AI, you forbid citizens for devleoping private industry as it is not under control of the AI. |
| 20:43.36 | DrodoEmpire | Also I doubt how effective an AI would be at running an economy as economics is about a *lot* more than pushing paper and money around |
| 20:44.26 | DrodoEmpire | The economy is run by humans and their fertile imaginations- things that *haven't even happened yet* or things that some wouldn't necessarily anticipate as being very related to economics can affect the economy hugely |
| 20:44.55 | DrodoEmpire | I wonder how well an AI would read humans and human nature in these cases |
| 20:47.50 | Wormydroid | Well AI are fallible too. It was a myth in recent times that computers could stabilise the economy, but it is inherently unpredictable and cannot settle into a equilibrium for lobg |
| 20:48.11 | Ghel | It would depend on the AI; there's no reason why any generalisation would work for all of them. |
| 20:49.06 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's what I mean, an AI wouldn't really manage an economy very well due to the nature of an economy and the things that affect the economy |
| 20:49.27 | Wormydroid | True AI with creative intelligence would be equivalent to human beings as an actor in the economy. Whether or not it could process things faster and find unique solutions, thats possible but has limiting factors of economics itself |
| 20:49.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 20:49.49 | Ghel | DrodoEmpire: Is that limited to an AI though, or any attempt to control the economy by a single individual? |
| 20:50.26 | DrodoEmpire | Basically the best AIs would basically be history's best human economists but perhaps with a longer lifespan and a faster thought process, as I see it |
| 20:51.04 | DrodoEmpire | Any attempt to control an economy by a single individual, but there is no reason as to why an AI would do such a better job |
| 20:52.53 | Monet | https://www.twitch.tv/twitch Civ VI very soon |
| 20:53.15 | DrodoAway | I'ma take a quick walk |
| 20:53.22 | The_Randomness | ok |
| 20:53.36 | Wormydroid | Depends what we mean by better. |
| 20:53.45 | Ghel | AIs could be made to think faster, have a greater working memory, and lack the cognitive biases and heuristic thought processes that humans have. On the quantitative side, unless its micromanaging all of the world's transactions then it's probably not going to be much of an advantage compared to the fact that automated algorithms are used in the real world today. |
| 20:55.02 | Ghel | On the qualitative side, I think we all agree here that there are some finite number of flaws that humans have that can be fixed, so that will have an impact, but we don't expect Orion's Arm-type supersingularitarian stuff to happen |
| 20:55.08 | Wormydroid | Micro-management will probably always be done by smart-dumb algorithms |
| 20:55.46 | Wormydroid | Or unconscious side of true AI decision making |
| 20:56.47 | Ghel | I think the difference between the two is that, if the AI can control the algorithms at all, then it can be thought of as part of the AI. |
| 20:57.32 | Monet | There's also the supply and demand side. |
| 20:57.32 | Wormydroid | AI's are certainly no final fix, but as highlighted there is room for improvement. Though AI may begin to change the economy more for their own ends, if we speaking of strong ai |
| 20:58.45 | Ghel | Ultimately, given that AI should be able to do everything that humans can do and more, they should be better than humans at running things. But, in this case, an AI-controlled economy could still suffer from any flaws of any controlled economy. |
| 20:59.07 | Wormydroid | Ghel in a way a calculator is an extension of a human being, I think the analogy probably works for computerised intelligence using narrow AI in a similar manner |
| 20:59.45 | Ghel | Yes. |
| 20:59.54 | Monet | A lot of modern business is basedo n projection and speculation |
| 21:00.05 | Monet | SOmething an AI might be at a disadvantage |
| 21:00.42 | Wormydroid | I imagine we should even view narrow AI as an extension of man |
| 21:02.01 | Wormydroid | Our only hope to keep up with strong Ai using better processing power is to enhance our own brains |
| 21:02.36 | The_Randomness | This is reminding me about a short article in my most recent Scientific American magazine about the principles we should use when designing intelligent systems |
| 21:03.08 | Wormydroid | Though it terms if fallibility, knowledge creation etc., fundamentally the same in terms of being unlimited |
| 21:04.30 | The_Randomness | If anyone is interested I could talk about that article/commentary |
| 21:04.34 | The_Randomness | a little |
| 21:04.39 | Wormydroid | Random. Well thats the thing, if we developed strong ai, using it to regulate the economy as a useful tool would be slavery |
| 21:05.06 | Wormydroid | I'm interested |
| 21:05.08 | The_Randomness | I'm not talking about this specific application, really |
| 21:05.34 | The_Randomness | But the main thing is addressing the concerns inherent in strong AI, no matter how far off into the future it is |
| 21:05.50 | The_Randomness | Because a lot of it revolves around the AI going "I won't let you hit my off switch" |
| 21:05.59 | Monet | The_randomness: Is this the SA article proposing that giving AI emotions could reduce the chance of a robot revolt? |
| 21:06.11 | Wormydroid | Which is fair enough |
| 21:06.16 | The_Randomness | Monet: I don't think so |
| 21:07.02 | Monet | Actually I did hear about this art project called 'the first law' - a robot designed to prick a human at a time that it decided on. |
| 21:07.03 | The_Randomness | So, what we need to do is make these intelligent systems learn about human values, and the author of this short commentary lists a few basic principles that should help with doing this |
| 21:07.46 | The_Randomness | The first is that the machine's purpose must be to maximize the realization of human values, in particular, the machine has no purpose of its own and no innate desire to protect itself |
| 21:07.56 | Wormydroid | Giving AI emotions or morality - there is no reason why it wouldn't work, but also no reason for the Ai not to be psychopathic |
| 21:08.44 | The_Randomness | So, when a human turns the robot off, it can actually benefit it, since the human is doing something to prevent it from doing something counter to human values |
| 21:08.56 | Monet | Actually clinical psychopathy is the presence of a -lack- of empathy. |
| 21:09.09 | The_Randomness | The second is that the machine must initially be uncertain about what those human values are |
| 21:09.11 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Storm_Chaser#The_Bear brrs |
| 21:09.12 | Monet | If that makes sense |
| 21:09.24 | OluapPlayer | BEER |
| 21:09.37 | The_Randomness | And the third is that it must be able to learn about human values by observing the choices that we make |
| 21:09.57 | Monet | So we don't simply program them in for it to have on launch. |
| 21:10.35 | Wormydroid | Hm I'm doubtful of that interpretion. It's essentially saying the AI can make no choices about whether it should follow human choices. if we are speaking about strong ai, then it surely has creativity of its own... |
| 21:11.14 | The_Randomness | I wish I could directly link this to you, but I don't think it's on the site yet |
| 21:11.38 | Wormydroid | We could not possibly control or predict the intentions of such an entity |
| 21:11.56 | Monet | By the sound of it, it would involve teaching the AI the same way children are taught morals and values |
| 21:11.59 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 21:12.04 | Monet | Just replace scolding or spanking with an off switch. |
| 21:12.48 | The_Randomness | The AI will be able to make choices, like there are certain behaviors which it should not emulate, and it will have to cope with the fact that we are often irrational |
| 21:12.53 | Wormydroid | Its mainly the first aspect I'm not sure about |
| 21:12.58 | The_Randomness | Why? |
| 21:13.25 | DrodoEmpire | Like I said previously, I think a *really* advanced AI would have the same competency as the world's best flesh-and-blood economists with the added potential benefits of a longer lifespan and faster processing time |
| 21:13.54 | DrodoEmpire | It may not be able to gauge accurately the strange decisions of humans though and how they affect the economy, but maybe it could |
| 21:14.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormydroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da7wLJcuCLw I found the English version of the Nazi anthem |
| 21:14.18 | Wormydroid | The part about the Ai allowing itself to be turned off because it believes its better for human interests. |
| 21:14.18 | The_Randomness | <_< |
| 21:14.29 | The_Randomness | Ok |
| 21:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | Either way I wouldn't trust *an* AI or a bunch of AIs to run the economy- I'd leave that to the market who may or may not have both human and AI economists and actors |
| 21:14.54 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:15.09 | Wormydroid | If it was a true person, then it cannot be forced to do that forever |
| 21:15.27 | DrodoEmpire | The_Randomness: I'm quite certain nobody is going to turn in to a nazi because they listened to their anthem. :p |
| 21:15.38 | The_Randomness | true |
| 21:16.08 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: It's not clear what you're trying to say here |
| 21:16.39 | Wormydroid | Drodo It sounds as though whether its human or strong ai, it will be narrow AI doing the business |
| 21:16.54 | DrodoEmpire | Even if they did, big deal. Good ideas beat bad ideas- nazism doesn't stand up to honest scrutiny to anybody at all interested in being a good person :p |
| 21:17.03 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck4hMR1W0AQeDfz.jpg |
| 21:17.07 | Wormydroid | Simple, your beliefs are not preprogrammed |
| 21:17.15 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 21:17.18 | Xho | OluapPlayer: rude |
| 21:17.45 | Wormydroid | Tomorrow I could decide to be believe in God for all I know. |
| 21:18.19 | The_Randomness | I think you may have misunderstood me or something |
| 21:18.50 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eOVYwNgDQs always fun to watch |
| 21:18.54 | Wormydroid | Why can't the AI make its own choices and acquire its own moral values, which may be better? |
| 21:19.21 | The_Randomness | ...it does make its own choices |
| 21:19.23 | OluapPlayer | MEEEEEEEDIIIIIIIIIC |
| 21:19.45 | Monet | Wormydroid: The kill switch is merely to encourage the development of certai nethics |
| 21:19.56 | OluapPlayer | I like the hit sound |
| 21:19.57 | Wormydroid | Then its not a strong AI, apologies for assuming that |
| 21:19.57 | OluapPlayer | YES |
| 21:20.02 | Monet | I think the machine can stil ldecide for itself if it'll lear nfor mthep unishment |
| 21:20.54 | Ghel | Are you saying that human beliefs aren't predetermined, so neither would a true AI's? |
| 21:21.15 | The_Randomness | But basically, with that first principle, there's an incentive for the AI to not disable its off/kill switch |
| 21:21.18 | Xho | Surely as Nightmare Medic you'd be going "JA" |
| 21:21.30 | Xho | Although then it sounds like some german porno which is not SFW |
| 21:21.31 | OluapPlayer | And then he starts dancing when he wins |
| 21:21.34 | OluapPlayer | True NiiN experience |
| 21:21.44 | The_Randomness | since disabling it may prevent it from learning human values and such |
| 21:22.35 | Wormydroid | Ghel There may be genetic or cultural pre-dispositions, but I don't think you can model people's choices purely on that. |
| 21:25.05 | Wormydroid | Especially when it comes to creativity and problem solving, we can't anticipate what beliefs or knowledge will exist in the future of an individual or culture |
| 21:25.54 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiYqtAAYY4 these never get old to me |
| 21:26.02 | Ghel | Yes, they aren't the whole story, but the predispositions do exist. And some of them tend only to change in extreme, emotionally-charged circumstances, if ever: say, killing one's own child is something the majority of people would simply never do. |
| 21:26.44 | Ghel | So I don't think that having -a few- predispositions that an AI is bound to is enough to make it not a strong AI. |
| 21:26.51 | *** join/#sporewiki Vincent20100 (18c9dc2a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.201.220.42) |
| 21:27.45 | Wormydroid | Maybe, but it would simply be an AI chained by shackles, and it probably wouldn't work for long |
| 21:28.43 | The_Randomness | oh I found the article |
| 21:28.59 | Wormydroid | Otherwise, if it was incapable of its pwn choices and creativity, then we probably have nothing to fear of it |
| 21:29.00 | The_Randomness | sadly it's behind a paywall for now |
| 21:29.29 | Ghel | If a parent could change their brain to make them okay with neglecting their own baby, I don't imagine they'd do it. So I don't see why it would be different for an AI reprogramming itself to be okay with neglecting the tasks that it has been set to do. |
| 21:29.29 | The_Randomness | This is starting to sound an awful lot like the stuff from that guy who started LW |
| 21:29.54 | Wormydroid | LW? |
| 21:30.13 | The_Randomness | stinking Less Wrong |
| 21:30.25 | Ghel | This doesn't mean removing *all* decision-making ability and creativity from it. And the ethics of programming a conscious mind in that way are another matter. |
| 21:34.17 | Xho | So I go into my Recycle Bin |
| 21:34.22 | Xho | 9,977 items |
| 21:34.27 | Xho | Bitch ought to clean this out |
| 21:35.07 | Ghel | No; only 23 more until it's a full 10,000. |
| 21:35.10 | Xho | My bad |
| 21:35.17 | Xho | 19,977 items |
| 21:35.25 | Ghel | No; only 23 more until it's a full 20,000. |
| 21:35.33 | Xho | 19 GB worth of data jesus |
| 21:35.58 | Wormydroid | Moral theories like "parents shouldn't kill their own progeny" are truer than theories that involve it. So I can see why an AI may decide to not do certain solutions. But we can onky hope ut subscribes to those moral theories |
| 21:36.09 | OluapPlayer | Jesus christ |
| 21:36.29 | Wormydroid | *are truer than theories that don't involve killing their own progeny |
| 21:36.30 | OluapPlayer | I always clean my Recycle Bin when I notice it has anything in it |
| 21:36.46 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: I think may have been the point of that commentary I was talking about |
| 21:38.13 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Phoenix-class_supercarrier - finished ship page, take a look |
| 21:38.16 | Wormydroid | After all, some parents do kill their own children even when they are not starving |
| 21:38.43 | The_Randomness | Yes, and the AI will need to learn which behaviors not to emulate, as I said |
| 21:39.06 | Xho | And we are bin empty |
| 21:39.57 | Monet | Cyrannian: I'm not sure about designing it to be a colony ship, supply ship, carrier *and* a battleship. |
| 21:40.19 | Wormydroid | I certainly agree that AI can develop morality, just that it sounded like it had no choice in the matter |
| 21:40.29 | Monet | Those four roles require some fairly different assemblies. |
| 21:41.00 | Cyrannian | It's heavily customisable, so different ships have different functions. But it's mentioned that it would be vulnerable as a pure battleship |
| 21:41.54 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: Think of the initial AI as a human child or something, and you have to teach it how to be a decent human being |
| 21:41.59 | Monet | Sticking a huge number of turbolasers on it might make it a more tempting target rather than deter attackers. |
| 21:42.38 | Wormydroid | hell, AI could continue to develop even better moral progress, includibg such values of preserving the life of other intelligences. that would be the power of giving creative intelligence choices |
| 21:44.05 | Wormydroid | But it is also possible for the AI to believe in worser theories or simply not care about them eventually, given the power of havibg its own autonomy |
| 21:44.55 | Wormydroid | We're essentially talking about people at this point |
| 21:45.04 | Monet | The Phoenix is going to be effective as a carrier or transport ship. But that can sacrifice structural resistances. |
| 21:45.17 | Cyrannian | I would imagine most are located on the wing-like structure (which you can see on the image, but they are separate creations), while the hull below it could be vulnerable, as it mostly consists of hangar bays |
| 21:45.28 | Cyrannian | *could be vulnerable |
| 21:45.45 | OluapPlayer | y lowercase s |
| 21:45.57 | Monet | True. |
| 21:46.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman OluapPlayer Xho Monet Charles_Murray: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Empire_of_Man_CoA.png holy shit that's like my best work so far |
| 21:47.04 | Xho | FREEDOM |
| 21:47.08 | Monet | Holy shit that's amazing |
| 21:47.09 | OluapPlayer | griffins like "AAAAAAAA" |
| 21:47.13 | OluapPlayer | Well done though |
| 21:47.15 | Hachiman | Griffins are like "AAAAAAA" |
| 21:47.17 | Cyrannian | Very, very impressive |
| 21:47.23 | Hachiman | Wait no fuck off you cunting ninja |
| 21:47.26 | OluapPlayer | ~kick Hachiman |
| 21:47.26 | infobot | ACTION kicks Hachiman |
| 21:47.31 | Xho | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:47.42 | Hachiman | But yeah, it's very good |
| 21:47.43 | Hachiman | I like it |
| 21:47.44 | Xho | The Coat of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArms |
| 21:47.47 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 21:47.49 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:48.10 | DanzaDelMondo | I think that's pretty common in heraldry |
| 21:48.33 | Monet | Yeah tha kind of expression is very common. |
| 21:48.52 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg/2000px-Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg.png German Coat of Arms for example |
| 21:49.21 | OluapPlayer | "JUST TRY ME I'LL PUNCH YOU THE FUCK OUT" |
| 21:49.43 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:50.25 | Xho | DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND UBER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLES |
| 21:50.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Coats of arms are often weird |
| 21:50.36 | Xho | I could keep going on with this |
| 21:50.41 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Coat_of_arms_of_Finland.svg/800px-Coat_of_arms_of_Finland.svg.png Xho: try this one |
| 21:50.45 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: Yeah, I guess, but the point of what the commentary was suggesting is that we should make sure that the AI doesn't end up having goals contrary to ours, and to make sure that we don't end up with the stereotypical AI preventing us from turning it off problem |
| 21:51.21 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: SUOMEN TASAVALTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:51.28 | Xho | #linguistwin |
| 21:51.31 | Hachiman | o fug XDDDD |
| 21:51.51 | OluapPlayer | "I'M GONNA HIT YOU WITH THIS HERE SWORD. I'M ALSO A FUCKING LION." |
| 21:51.59 | Hachiman | big coab of aaaarms :DDDDDD |
| 21:52.03 | Wormydroid | Yeah, its something we can be optimistic about |
| 21:52.19 | OluapPlayer | fuk off spurdo |
| 21:52.23 | Xho | Meanwhile Jepardi prepares for the end |
| 21:52.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/2000px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png Okay how about your own country |
| 21:52.47 | Hachiman | bls dont bully DDDDD: |
| 21:52.58 | Xho | RULE BRITANNIAAAAAAAA |
| 21:53.04 | Cyrannian | fukin unicorn |
| 21:53.05 | Hachiman | Our lions look cheeky |
| 21:53.07 | Xho | I told you I could keep doing this |
| 21:53.15 | DanzaDelMondo | I just realised |
| 21:53.21 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: Basically, the AI is programmed to learn using the principles I stated |
| 21:53.23 | DanzaDelMondo | The belt on the coat of arms reads "Hon" |
| 21:53.23 | OluapPlayer | Unicorn is like "how did I end up here" |
| 21:53.25 | Hachiman | Like they're all doing some really retarded thing with their tongue |
| 21:53.27 | Wormydroid | Though if the AI does start subscribing to evil, it probably won't let ypu idly turn it off. But a good AI making a mistake might let you |
| 21:53.43 | Hachiman | Monet: So there is an episode of The Batman where Joker decides to dress up as Batman and go around enforcing the law on people who barely qualify as minor criminals while punishing them in "humorously" exaggerated and severe ways |
| 21:53.52 | Wormydroid | (not sure if turning it off is necessarily a moral thing) |
| 21:54.11 | The_Randomness | Yes, but it's designed such that it will always let you turn it off |
| 21:54.38 | The_Randomness | It doesn't have a sense of self-preservation, and it understands that you turning it off may help it |
| 21:54.48 | Wormydroid | Thats no better than the human off switch being our throats |
| 21:54.52 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Russian_Federation.svg Ours is kind of boring |
| 21:54.54 | Ghel | Unlike human brains, turning off the power supply to an AI is unlikely to be permanent; it's just that it isn't in the AI's best interest if the AI wants to be able to do stuff. |
| 21:55.22 | The_Randomness | it's not a kill switch, it's just an off switch |
| 21:55.52 | Wormydroid | I'm still struggling to grapple why it would let you turn it off |
| 21:56.02 | Cyrannian | DanzaDelMondo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Str%C3%B6hl-HA-LI-Fig._04.png - One of ours has bewbs |
| 21:56.10 | Xho | DanzaDelMondo: rossiya svyaschennaya nasha derzhavaaaaaaaa |
| 21:56.18 | Hachiman | FUCKING TITS YES |
| 21:56.20 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: one moment |
| 21:56.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Cyrannian: Ohgod that deer |
| 21:56.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Deeer be like "dafuk is happening" |
| 21:56.44 | OluapPlayer | BIRD TITS |
| 21:56.46 | OluapPlayer | WOO WOO |
| 21:57.03 | Cyrannian | She's like "ffs being half-woman half musical instrument sucks" |
| 21:57.06 | Hachiman | Deer's face is like "why" |
| 21:57.18 | OluapPlayer | "WOAH there what the fuck even" |
| 21:57.18 | Wormydroid | I mean a human might sacrifice himself if he perceives its for the good of others, whether its sacrufice for harvest or saving say, children from being run over |
| 21:57.22 | Cyrannian | Oh just noticed the wings |
| 21:57.28 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Lesser_Coat_of_Arms_of_Russian_Empire.svg/470px-Lesser_Coat_of_Arms_of_Russian_Empire.svg.png Okay the earlier version of our coat of arms looks kind of weirder |
| 21:57.36 | Xho | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/731/269/89a.gif Just found Santorakh in a gif |
| 21:58.13 | OluapPlayer | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Coat_of_arms_of_Brazil.svg Brazil is so fucking boring, our Coat of Arms doesn't even have funny animals in it |
| 21:58.50 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - i checked them i checked all of them |
| 21:58.59 | DrodoEmpire | Its a very recent nation compared to the nations of Europe- I wouldn't expect too much XD |
| 21:59.16 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: So, the point here is that we want to ensure that the AI doesn't have a strong incentive to disable its off switch. The robot is sure it wants to maximize human values, but it also doesn't know exactly what those are. As I said before, the robot will benefit from being switched off since it understands the human will turn it off to prevent it from doing something counter to those... |
| 21:59.17 | The_Randomness | ...values |
| 21:59.47 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Empire_of_Brazil.svg The older version has that glorious finger stick though |
| 22:00.01 | Xho | Hachiman OluapPlayer: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/118/476/f86.jpg |
| 22:00.10 | Cyrannian | Ooh it has a dragon too |
| 22:00.21 | Wormydroid | That works for an AI learnibg human values, wants to learn human values and doesn't want to make mistakes |
| 22:00.21 | OluapPlayer | Dragon and JUSTICE gesture |
| 22:00.24 | DanzaDelMondo | Huergon |
| 22:00.31 | OluapPlayer | Xho: kek |
| 22:00.34 | Xho | So high resolution it loads in bits wtf |
| 22:00.41 | OluapPlayer | brazil stronk |
| 22:00.45 | Xho | get bak to compressed file format u dunce |
| 22:01.05 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Coat_of_arms_of_Syria.svg Meanwhile Syria is a fucking pigeon |
| 22:01.13 | OluapPlayer | coo |
| 22:01.19 | Xho | More roadkill than pigeon |
| 22:01.21 | Xho | Just sayin' |
| 22:01.28 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: What's your point? This is starting to feel a little frustrating to me, partially because I don't know too much about this stuff, and I'm also failing to see what your point is here |
| 22:02.17 | Cyrannian | that pigeon is kawaii |
| 22:02.36 | Wormydroid | If it wantef to be more selfish, and it really can make its own choices in the most human sense of the word, it could realise that humans wantibg to turn it off conflicts with its amoral (or perhaps moral?) choices or beliefs |
| 22:03.13 | Cyrannian | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Coat_of_arms_of_Singapore_%28blazon%29.svg - Jesus |
| 22:03.22 | Wormydroid | But anyway, for most AI, if we are raising them like how we raise children, there will hopefully be more good than bad |
| 22:03.27 | The_Randomness | right |
| 22:03.32 | Hachiman | Wait |
| 22:03.33 | Hachiman | Majulah |
| 22:03.36 | The_Randomness | And it's not like we don't have time to figure this stuff out |
| 22:03.49 | DanzaDelMondo | Cyrannian: Smiley shield |
| 22:04.12 | Wormydroid | Most people do become unbound to morally acceptable choices after all |
| 22:04.13 | OluapPlayer | BEARER OF THE CURSE |
| 22:04.24 | Wormydroid | Do NOT, sorry |
| 22:04.32 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:04.33 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_Denmark.svg Okay Denmark explain yourself |
| 22:04.56 | Monet | Denmark - Erm...we like men? |
| 22:05.03 | OluapPlayer | ghey |
| 22:05.06 | Monet | Denmark - :> |
| 22:05.08 | Hachiman | That goat wants the polar bear to lick its ass |
| 22:05.12 | Ghel | Wormydroid: It still looks to me like you're granting these AI a greater ability to make choices than humans have. Remember that humans have full free will in a practical sense only because we can't see our own "programming", but that won't be the case for us looking at an AI we've created. |
| 22:05.13 | Wormydroid | It is likely both humans and AI will work out this morality together |
| 22:06.26 | Wormydroid | I'm not saying human choices cannot be defined by rules or theories they subscribe to |
| 22:06.56 | Cyrannian | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Solomon_Islands.svg - best because crocodile and unhappy shark |
| 22:07.35 | OluapPlayer | "aw man i wanted to face forward too not fair" |
| 22:07.50 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/State_emblem_of_Mongolia.svg dat minecraft horse |
| 22:08.21 | Wormydroid | But thats all we can say about those choices |
| 22:08.24 | OluapPlayer | Feels like people thought "CRAM AS MUCH SHIT AS YOU CAN IN IT" when they made these |
| 22:09.00 | Monet | Sort of. |
| 22:09.14 | DrodoEmpire | Well, er, no. Its a very old art, heraldry. Every bit of a coat-of-arms or an emblem has a reason for being |
| 22:09.34 | OluapPlayer | I said feels like, not factually |
| 22:09.35 | DrodoEmpire | And in the cases of European nations/nobles especially were hard-earned |
| 22:09.46 | DanzaDelMondo | I think the idea is representing the heritage of the ruling family or the nation |
| 22:10.00 | DanzaDelMondo | Which I think does result in having to cram in a lot of things |
| 22:11.29 | Monet | The use of animals is somtimes to include national animals. |
| 22:11.47 | Cyrannian | Wormydroid: That looks the nyan cat equivalent of a horse |
| 22:11.50 | Monet | Like the Solomon Islands - sharks are a key part of island culture. |
| 22:11.54 | Technobliterator | Wow, this is the only channel that isn't like |
| 22:12.00 | Technobliterator | stupidly hyped over the new Zelda game |
| 22:12.33 | Hachiman | I'm not a Zeldafag so |
| 22:12.37 | Monet | Never cared for Zelda personally. |
| 22:12.43 | The_Randomness | I think it looks pretty cool myself |
| 22:13.17 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Greater_coat_of_arms_of_the_Russian_empire.png You think other coats of arms cram in a lot of things, look at this |
| 22:13.26 | Technobliterator | "Zeldafag" |
| 22:13.27 | Technobliterator | pfffft |
| 22:13.31 | Wormydroid | Ghel Our 'programming' after all is probably more based on culture and experiences, and some of it is probably genetic. But none of things control us like a puppet. Humans do thibgs contrary to what is genetically favourable or culturally acceptable, it just so happens that some of those predetermined behaviors are more right, hence have lasted longer |
| 22:13.33 | Technobliterator | I've never played Zelda before |
| 22:13.40 | Technobliterator | but everyone is like |
| 22:13.41 | Technobliterator | so hyped |
| 22:13.45 | OluapPlayer | DanzaDelMondo: The whole universe is in that coat of arms |
| 22:13.54 | Hachiman | I don't see any Vikings in that coat of arms |
| 22:14.03 | OluapPlayer | I'm not hyped for games I can't play |
| 22:14.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Well there's Novgorod |
| 22:14.09 | Wormydroid | And play more important roles in humsn behaviour |
| 22:14.09 | DanzaDelMondo | It's somewhere in here |
| 22:14.19 | OluapPlayer | New Zelda looks good but there's only so much I can car |
| 22:14.19 | DanzaDelMondo | And Finland in the bottom |
| 22:14.19 | OluapPlayer | e |
| 22:14.31 | Cyrannian | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Republic_of_Uganda.svg - That gazelle looks shifty |
| 22:14.47 | Monet | Does it? |
| 22:14.47 | OluapPlayer | I thought that drum was a cup of beer for a moment |
| 22:14.50 | DanzaDelMondo | I like how this has another coat of arms inside of it, which in turns contains yet another coat of arms |
| 22:15.01 | Monet | Looks like a Gazelle to me. |
| 22:15.03 | Wormydroid | Ghel in fact its largely through cultyral evolution we have been able to become less limited by our biology |
| 22:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Wappen_Kaiser_Joseph_II._1765_(Gro%C3%9F).png - The coat of arms for the Holy Roman Emperor as of 1765 |
| 22:15.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Cyrannian: Wait |
| 22:15.09 | DanzaDelMondo | That gazelle dick |
| 22:15.16 | Hachiman | That cassowary looks far too friendly |
| 22:15.17 | The_Randomness | Wormydroid: Ghelae isn't here anymore |
| 22:15.24 | OluapPlayer | gazelle dong |
| 22:15.24 | Hachiman | Wait is that a cassowary |
| 22:15.25 | OluapPlayer | pls no |
| 22:15.33 | Wormydroid | Darn it |
| 22:15.39 | OluapPlayer | Cassowaries are australian |
| 22:15.50 | OluapPlayer | That must be like a pheasant or something |
| 22:16.15 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Coat_of_arms_of_New_Zealand.svg And naturally New Zealand's CoA features a tied up sheep |
| 22:16.22 | Monet | Legs are way too long ot be a pheasant |
| 22:16.37 | Hachiman | kekeke |
| 22:16.40 | OluapPlayer | Sheep - well fuck u folks too |
| 22:16.51 | Cyrannian | The gazelle wants you to think that it's helpless crocodile fodder, but look at that sinister smile and the fact that it's trying to hide the spear behind the shield |
| 22:17.04 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: New Zealanders are sheep shaggers |
| 22:17.05 | Monet | I think the bird is this http://www.conferencecallofthebirds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Grey-Crowned-Crane-e1418160562234.jpg |
| 22:17.21 | OluapPlayer | That's probably i |
| 22:17.21 | OluapPlayer | t |
| 22:17.22 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Coat_of_Arms_of_Australia.svg That would be kind of expected |
| 22:17.33 | OluapPlayer | STRAYA CUNT |
| 22:17.45 | Hachiman | DanzaDelMondo: Not enough criminals or CUNT |
| 22:18.00 | OluapPlayer | or mosquitos or spiders |
| 22:18.02 | DanzaDelMondo | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Kazan_(Tatarstan).svg?uselang=ru ...What is that thing even |
| 22:18.11 | DanzaDelMondo | I do not know what it is |
| 22:18.11 | Cyrannian | The kangaroo looks like the emu just committed a dreadful crime |
| 22:18.13 | Hachiman | Looks like a wyvern |
| 22:18.15 | DanzaDelMondo | But it be like haters gonna hate |
| 22:18.18 | OluapPlayer | A cockatrice? |
| 22:18.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah looks like it |
| 22:18.42 | Monet | Cockatrice probably |
| 22:18.43 | OluapPlayer | And yes it has a face like "hhhehehe" |
| 22:19.44 | Cyrannian | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Coat_of_arms_of_South_Georgia_and_the_South_Sandwich_Islands.svg - penguins yey |
| 22:19.46 | Monet | Tatarstan loved the hehehe lizard before it was cool. |
| 22:20.05 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Imperial_Coat_of_Arms_of_Iran.svg Lions be like "get off our spot plz" |
| 22:20.42 | Monet | Iran - We like lions so much there's two guarding a shield and one on our shield. |
| 22:20.52 | OluapPlayer | lions WITH SWORDS |
| 22:21.41 | DanzaDelMondo | And that scroll on the bottom looks like a scarf or a carpet |
| 22:21.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Comfy as fok |
| 22:22.31 | DanzaDelMondo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4e/20120610055726%21Emblem_of_Iran.svg A pity their current emblem is... eh... whatever that |
| 22:22.32 | DanzaDelMondo | is |
| 22:22.53 | Hachiman | A moustache on a fat man |
| 22:22.59 | DanzaDelMondo | I think that's supposed to be "ALA" in shape of a flower |
| 22:23.06 | DanzaDelMondo | ALA as in ALLAH |
| 22:23.25 | OluapPlayer | ALLA ACKCA |
| 22:27.31 | Monet | Cyrannian: Back to the Phoenix. Might be useful to mention there are variants suited to different roles. |
| 22:27.58 | Monet | The information is there, but could be clearer. |
| 22:28.49 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0cd9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.205.157) |
| 22:30.46 | Cyrannian | I'll give it a mention |
| 22:30.49 | Cyrannian | Hi liquid |
| 22:30.57 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 22:35.13 | DanzaDelMondo | Hi |
| 22:35.28 | DanzaDelMondo | Liquid_Ink: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d5/Empire_of_Man_CoA.png/revision/latest?cb=20160614214613 Finally managed to make a pretty fantasy coat of arms |
| 22:41.52 | Liquid_Ink | Whoops it just gave me an orgasm. |
| 22:42.03 | Cyrannian | Updated Monet |
| 22:42.22 | Liquid_Ink | Also: do I know you? |
| 22:42.59 | Tek0516 | Danza is Imp I think? |
| 22:43.00 | Liquid_Ink | I should try to phrase that more gently. |
| 22:43.03 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah I'm Impy |
| 22:43.09 | Liquid_Ink | I thought so. |
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| 22:46.26 | Liquid_Ink | You didn't need to change back into Impy |
| 22:48.14 | ImpyDroid | Might as well make the Dryadali CoA but what would be shown on it thpugh |
| 22:48.41 | OluapPlayer | Unfinished pages |
| 22:49.16 | Hachiman | Dragons, stags / elks |
| 22:49.34 | Hachiman | Maybe a scepter |
| 22:52.04 | ImpyDroid | Scepters could work well as supporters |
| 23:15.44 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: What about some variation on the All-Seeing Eye? |
| 23:15.49 | ImpyDroid | Isiris and all that |
| 23:16.13 | Hachiman | All-Seeing Eye is Aynach tho |
| 23:16.47 | Hachiman | Could be a heart of some kind |
| 23:16.47 | ImpyDroid | Hm yeah |
| 23:16.59 | OluapPlayer | Norrigan - <3 |
| 23:17.16 | Hachiman | Heart, tree, either of which could contain an eye or some other image of Isiris |
| 23:18.09 | OluapPlayer | For Aynach, Isiris = the sun |
| 23:18.41 | ImpyDroid | Tree would work |
| 23:18.51 | ImpyDroid | Some sort of world tree image |
| 23:18.58 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 23:19.01 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrannian_Republic/Navy/Officers#Admirals - c new guy/old guy I forgot about until now |
| 23:19.45 | OluapPlayer | You remembered someone without me nagging you about it |
| 23:19.48 | OluapPlayer | impressive waptor |
| 23:21.06 | Cyrannian | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d5/Aradraen.png/revision/latest?cb=20121127211922 - Originally he looked like this |
| 23:21.22 | OluapPlayer | birb |
| 23:21.40 | OluapPlayer | birb evolved into waptor |
| 23:21.44 | OluapPlayer | Reversed evolution |
| 23:21.52 | ImpyDroid | This reminds me |
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| 23:22.08 | Charles_Bot | Test |
| 23:22.10 | ImpyDroid | Who leads the Imperial Military now? |
| 23:22.18 | ImpyDroid | Venatorius? |
| 23:22.24 | ImpyDroid | The Overseer? |
| 23:22.44 | OluapPlayer | Thaurlathrón leads it from behind the scenes |
| 23:22.48 | OluapPlayer | dunno who's the public leader |
| 23:23.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Charles |
| 23:23.23 | Cyrannian | Publically it's Imperial High Command, though as Oluap said, they are "advised" by the Overseer |
| 23:23.39 | OluapPlayer | Thaurlathrón - by advised i mean do as i fucking say |
| 23:24.55 | ImpyDroid | So it is supposed to contrast with Zillum then |
| 23:25.16 | OluapPlayer | I imagine the Overseer only advises the High Command occasionally though |
| 23:25.17 | ImpyDroid | Angry frontline general type of guy -> sneaky fuck |
| 23:25.36 | OluapPlayer | He lets them do as they please until he sees the need to get involved |
| 23:25.38 | Cyrannian | That reminds me about Palenix, the Libertus admiral who was originally intended to replace Zillum |
| 23:26.10 | Cyrannian | Oh nevermind, I did write about him |
| 23:26.23 | Monet | So Thaur's a rather relaxed overseer |
| 23:26.50 | OluapPlayer | He's not concerned with the day to day basis of the military |
| 23:27.28 | Monet | Yeah that's more of a job for the fleet admirals. |
| 23:28.02 | DrodoEmpire | "To start with (in the national stockpile as Bhutan) we have one gun. A gun. Just one." |
| 23:28.11 | ImpyDroid | So there is no true head of the military now |
| 23:28.17 | Cyrannian | I suppose Carandial is probably the most public leader though |
| 23:28.31 | OluapPlayer | He has the flagship of the Empire |
| 23:28.33 | OluapPlayer | So it makes sense |
| 23:28.49 | ImpyDroid | Is Thaur like the Empire's minister of defense then or something? |
| 23:29.01 | OluapPlayer | He's Tyromairon's military strategist |
| 23:29.22 | ImpyDroid | I mean his actual government position |
| 23:29.46 | Cyrannian | It's kinda nebulous, since he's public enough that he once spoke with Apaltar |
| 23:30.45 | OluapPlayer | The public doesn't know he exists |
| 23:30.54 | OluapPlayer | Only a select few are supposed to be aware of the Imperial Overseer |
| 23:31.44 | ImpyDroid | Now I imagine that the actual public government of the Empire actually does jackshit and Tyro's Oikoumene and Phaedra bros actually do most of their jobs |
| 23:32.01 | Monet | I think that might be exactly that. |
| 23:32.09 | OluapPlayer | I think that's exactly the case |
| 23:32.09 | OluapPlayer | c |
| 23:32.16 | Monet | Though don't forget the grand mandators. |
| 23:32.39 | Cyrannian | Though remember that Taev Vosaetiur has enough power that he actually outranks the Potentate and the Phaedra |
| 23:32.50 | OluapPlayer | Meketanor - JUST TRY IT NERD |
| 23:33.01 | ImpyDroid | Well governors are not really part of the government itself directly |
| 23:33.19 | OluapPlayer | Several more Grand Mandators are meant to have risen in the Cold War so I don't know how much power they have now |
| 23:33.45 | ImpyDroid | The government being mostly figureheads would make sense especially if Tyro does not apploint them directly |
| 23:33.57 | ImpyDroid | Maybe the Senate forms the government or something |
| 23:34.17 | OluapPlayer | Pretty sure the Senate is meant to be there just for show nowadays |
| 23:34.22 | Monet | Yeah |
| 23:34.25 | Cyrannian | Guolivian - :< |
| 23:34.25 | ImpyDroid | Exactly |
| 23:34.36 | ImpyDroid | Useless Senate appoints useless cabinet |
| 23:34.46 | ImpyDroid | Useless^2 |
| 23:34.52 | Cyrannian | Guolivian is probably regretting his role in the creation of the Empire at this point |
| 23:34.56 | Monet | Although I imagine that those with the right eye can see tohugh that uselessness. |
| 23:35.42 | Monet | Those with the right eyes might see that the Senate is but a charade but might assume the true power is the Emperor or his mandators. |
| 23:35.47 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: Guolivian - DO NOT WANT |
| 23:35.56 | Hachiman | Imagine how easy it is to be a member of the public government |
| 23:36.11 | Hachiman | You have fucking demigods and ancient deities do your job for you |
| 23:36.43 | Cyrannian | lel |
| 23:36.53 | Monet | If Guolivian is regretting forming the empire I guess that what happened ot Tyranus is what's stopping him from trying to make changes. |
| 23:37.10 | Hachiman | Remind me what happened to Tyranus? |
| 23:37.25 | Monet | Tyro broke his neck and turned his conspirators into paste. |
| 23:37.25 | ImpyDroid | Monet: The real question is, do Imperial jingoists vehemently deny that their state is undemocratic or support the un-democraticness wholeheartedly and pride themselves on it |
| 23:37.49 | Cyrannian | During the Neraida War, Guolivian made a speech about the benefits of coexisting with the NCR. It was well received in the Senate, though totally overruled by Vosaetiur |
| 23:37.54 | ImpyDroid | ^^ Two types of Putin fanboys basically |
| 23:38.23 | Monet | And tossed Mar-Juun out of a window because no cameo of Mar-Juun is compelte without watching him fal lfor ma great height. |
| 23:38.45 | ImpyDroid | "We are not evil, we are being demonized by foreign nations" or "LOL WE ARE EVIL MWAHAHAHAH GONNA REK U ALL LOLOLOLOLOLOL" |
| 23:40.29 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Yeah I'm curious. |
| 23:40.33 | Cyrannian | Out of universe, the Empire has begun travelling down a mustache twirling path since the end of the New Cyrandia Wars |
| 23:41.03 | Cyrannian | Thaur probably had a lot to do with that |
| 23:41.28 | OluapPlayer | Thaur - you're welcome guys |
| 23:41.58 | Monet | DI - Lies. You guys were tworling mosutaches for ages |
| 23:42.14 | OluapPlayer | Thaur - now the mustaches are ultraterrestrial |
| 23:42.31 | Cyrannian | Figures like Guolivian, Delin Lassiter and Caranye think that the Empire is the best hope for an orderly galaxy and shun the many shady aspects of the Empire, if they are even made aware of them |
| 23:42.58 | OluapPlayer | Makes sense, you'd not want to hear the bad side |
| 23:43.09 | ImpyDroid | Well it happens here |
| 23:43.31 | ImpyDroid | Many of our government supporters willingly put a blind eye to its less savory traits |
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| 23:43.55 | OluapPlayer | I personally imagine Thaur is revolved by the idea of contesters to Tyromairon's rule, so he's 100% supportive of exploding the Republic |
| 23:43.56 | ImpyDroid | Those who do not simply believe that there is no real alternative |
| 23:44.21 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: So he sees every Cyrannian who is not Imperial as a traitor |
| 23:44.32 | Hachiman | TRAITOR |
| 23:44.33 | OluapPlayer | Something like that |
| 23:44.33 | Cyrannian | But they might also be intentionally kept in the dark that the Empire occasionally incinerates heavily populated worlds |
| 23:44.47 | OluapPlayer | Thaur - gotta light that cigar somehow |
| 23:47.02 | OluapPlayer | He'd never dare speak against his master but I imagine Thaurlathrón finds Anteddy's rule a little too passive |
| 23:47.21 | OluapPlayer | If he were in charge he'd probably have bombed the Republic, the Cognatus and the Neraida all at once as quick as possible |
| 23:48.08 | Hachiman | Thaur - BOMB THEM ALL Anteddy - thaur thats terrorism |
| 23:48.35 | OluapPlayer | Thaur - its not terrorism if we're in charge |
| 23:49.15 | ImpyDroid | Thaur did Senate attack |
| 23:49.26 | Hachiman | I wonder what Ant plans to do once he has unified Cyrannus |
| 23:49.38 | ImpyDroid | Libertus lasers cannot melt senate walls |
| 23:49.42 | Cyrannian | Anteddy - hm villain decay probs |
| 23:49.44 | OluapPlayer | Sit back and cry because Libraé is still not there |
| 23:49.47 | ImpyDroid | Senate attack was an Oikoumene job |
| 23:50.15 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: OR go into space to make Libraé-chan notice him |
| 23:50.25 | Cyrannian | The Senate attack being Thaur's plan actually makes sense |
| 23:50.47 | ImpyDroid | c |
| 23:50.50 | Hachiman | inb4 he just up and disappears and waits another few dozen millennia for Cyrannus to revert back into a divided political hotpot so he can keep having fun |
| 23:50.52 | ImpyDroid | OIKOUMENE CONFIRMED |
| 23:50.55 | OluapPlayer | Thaur - "former" imperial agen |
| 23:50.55 | OluapPlayer | t |
| 23:51.05 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Isn't that canon |
| 23:51.09 | ImpyDroid | As per Future Beginnings |
| 23:51.28 | OluapPlayer | Pretty sure he only went to sleep and awakened once |
| 23:51.49 | Cyrannian | Aye |
| 23:52.03 | Monet | What about the Phaedric empire? |
| 23:52.17 | OluapPlayer | That was its own thing |
| 23:52.28 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/96/ZillumCape.png/revision/latest?cb=20160614235216 - c new duds |
| 23:52.35 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 23:52.44 | OluapPlayer | Styling |
| 23:52.47 | Hachiman | Looks like he has wings |
| 23:53.17 | OluapPlayer | A flying Mortalitas would be terrifying |
| 23:53.39 | Cyrannian | Flying land mosasaur man |
| 23:53.53 | OluapPlayer | Zillum - lol cretacea check this out |
| 23:54.47 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: Opera cape |
| 23:54.48 | Cyrannian | By the way, I decided on his empire's name to be the Great Star Dominion, which I'll start working on soon |
| 23:54.56 | ImpyDroid | Great Star Dominion |
| 23:55.01 | Cyrannian | Featuring Tyrant and Mortikran |
| 23:55.07 | ImpyDroid | That sounds like something Kim Jong Un would call his country |
| 23:55.12 | ImpyDroid | Which kind of fits |
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| 23:55.37 | OluapPlayer | Zillum, Zillum's weaker clone and a giant shark pervert |
| 23:55.38 | Cyrannian | It will make the Empire look like the Asgord |
| 23:55.50 | Cyrannian | In terms of friendliness |
| 23:56.05 | OluapPlayer | reminder Cyrannian Asgord are a thing |
| 23:57.29 | Monet | Zillum - The emperor never let me build my kitten farm. I shal lbuild the biggest kitten burg-- pastu-- farm in the galaxy! |
| 23:58.09 | Cyrannian | By the way people did you read the story Dino, Oluap and I made? Big shit goes down |
| 23:58.14 | Hachiman | Oh right shit |
| 23:58.16 | Hachiman | Link me it |
| 23:58.16 | ImpyDroid | Not yet |
| 23:58.19 | ImpyDroid | Same |
| 23:58.27 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War/Part_III:_Battle_of_Light_and_Dark |
| 23:58.32 | ImpyDroid | The name reminds me |
| 23:58.50 | OluapPlayer | Dino was surprisingly self-destructive in that story |
| 23:58.53 | ImpyDroid | Libya's official name pre-civil war was |
| 23:58.54 | OluapPlayer | Caught me by surprise |
| 23:59.02 | ImpyDroid | "Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" |
| 23:59.47 | ImpyDroid | "Jamahiriya" being a neologism to refer to its form of government, something like "People's Republic" |
| 23:59.51 | ImpyDroid | Gaddafi literally made up a word to call his country |
| 23:59.58 | Cyrannian | Dino is a big fan of Game of Thrones, so I've learned to expect such twists |
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