| 00:00.09 | Technobliterator | Lots of them are just waaay aggressive about it |
| 00:00.28 | Technobliterator | and the whole BERNIEBRO label doesn't seem too unfair |
| 00:00.30 | Hachiman | Wormy__: Tesla was not *all* great though, I mean, he invented some kind of death ray and was also a supporter of eugenics |
| 00:00.34 | ImpyDroid | Hillary will throw lots of stuff at everyone |
| 00:00.35 | Technobliterator | to those types |
| 00:00.46 | Monet | Don't forget in the end a collective is voting for these people. |
| 00:01.01 | Tybusen | The_Randomness: http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187 |
| 00:01.05 | Tybusen | Here's one article about it |
| 00:01.07 | Monet | The American people *chose* these two as party front-runners |
| 00:01.26 | Monet | While the much saner candidates have been largely ignored. |
| 00:01.31 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: Errors, maybe. Same could be said for everyone. |
| 00:01.37 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but what they have chosen one of those if there were fair coverage, no election fraud, and if several states were more open to independents? |
| 00:02.06 | ImpyDroid | Weren't Carson and Cruz also quite crazy |
| 00:02.06 | Technobliterator | And the whole "saner candidates" only applies to Trump, and I don't think it's really fair to criticise RNC voters for not picking a "saner" choice, given all the candidates were |
| 00:02.06 | Hachiman | Who knows, Trump is a wild card; he could actually be good for something |
| 00:02.08 | Technobliterator | just awful |
| 00:02.14 | Technobliterator | Yes, Cruz was worse than Trump |
| 00:02.14 | Monet | The sane ones might still have vanished like they did |
| 00:02.30 | Technobliterator | Carson appears sane and presidential, but his ideas are pretty crazy |
| 00:02.30 | Tybusen | Trump was a Dem before this race, actually |
| 00:02.39 | Hachiman | Trump feels like he has far more drive to do things than Obama ever did |
| 00:02.42 | The_Randomness | Technobliterator: What about Kasich? |
| 00:02.49 | Wormy__ | Aren't some of Trump's views radically left, even more so than Bernie on some issues? |
| 00:02.50 | Technobliterator | Oh, Kasich was fine |
| 00:02.52 | Hachiman | And I mean, I liked Obama |
| 00:02.57 | Technobliterator | Poor old Kasich |
| 00:03.04 | Tybusen | Trump is actually friends with Hillary if I recall correctly |
| 00:03.10 | Technobliterator | I think he was unfairly overlooked |
| 00:03.13 | Tybusen | Or was, at least |
| 00:03.15 | Technobliterator | Tybusen, he was at one point |
| 00:03.20 | Technobliterator | They have a picture together |
| 00:03.21 | ImpyDroid | I want to see Trump in action |
| 00:03.40 | Monet | My point is that candidates who might have been more rational choices for president jsut faded into obscurity because of the media circus American politcs has become. |
| 00:03.44 | Tybusen | There's a theory that sometimes floats around that Trump is a DNC sleeper agent |
| 00:03.45 | Technobliterator | But he claims that he was only friends with her because he was a businessman and had to be popular with everyone |
| 00:03.55 | Technobliterator | I don't believe that theory |
| 00:03.56 | Technobliterator | at all |
| 00:04.03 | The_Randomness | Tybusen: Interesting, but I'm not sure if I'd consider this corruption, especially considering the US' relations with Saudia Arabia, no matter how disgusting I think that country is |
| 00:04.08 | Technobliterator | Trump has been thinking of running for president for ages |
| 00:04.10 | Hachiman | Hopefully Trump is the kind of guy who tells Congress to shove their status quo up their ass and goes ahead without letting them bully him |
| 00:04.21 | Tybusen | The_Randomness: There were also 16 other countries involved in that that are not SA |
| 00:04.25 | Technobliterator | no, Trump would just try to declare Congress illegal |
| 00:04.27 | Technobliterator | then get impeached |
| 00:04.28 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 00:04.37 | Hachiman | Congress is a bunch of cunts though |
| 00:04.51 | Monet | We've reached a point where to succeed in the campaign for presidental candidacy is to basically becaome those insane-yet memorable contestants on stuff like Big Brother. |
| 00:04.53 | DrodoEmpire | BRB |
| 00:05.13 | Hachiman | Well, I do not doubt Trump is a good businessman |
| 00:05.14 | Technobliterator | Congress are extremely partisan, yes |
| 00:05.18 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 00:05.19 | Technobliterator | I do |
| 00:05.26 | Technobliterator | Trump is an overrated businessman |
| 00:05.28 | The_Randomness | anyway, I'm going to duck out now and go eat dinner and do more important things |
| 00:05.34 | Tybusen | So long |
| 00:05.35 | Technobliterator | He's just an incredible self marketer |
| 00:05.40 | Technobliterator | bye random :o |
| 00:05.44 | Hachiman | Cya |
| 00:05.51 | Wormy__ | I have to admit, Trump would be interesting to see as a president |
| 00:05.54 | Wormy__ | bye |
| 00:05.57 | The_Randomness | I'll be lurking on here though |
| 00:05.59 | Technobliterator | Trump's main business is actually selling his name on buildings |
| 00:06.10 | Technobliterator | Several businesses he has run have gone bankrupt |
| 00:06.12 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of which |
| 00:06.21 | Hachiman | At least Trump will be far more interesting to watch unlike UK politicians who are all like watching paint dry |
| 00:06.26 | Technobliterator | And many people supsect he won't release his tax returns because he's not worth a fraction of what he claims he is |
| 00:06.27 | Technobliterator | Oh yes |
| 00:06.38 | Technobliterator | Our politicians are all just awful |
| 00:06.39 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: https://2ch.hk/po/src/16413165/14647081802380.webm Russian Trunp |
| 00:06.41 | ImpyDroid | Trump |
| 00:06.59 | Wormy__ | I wonder if he will fly in Airforce One or will use his personal jets. Would he even have a choice? Would he care? Would he get his own Presidential jet? |
| 00:07.22 | Technobliterator | Trump will just be a manbaby, honestly |
| 00:07.26 | Hachiman | tfw UK is so economically broken even our highest-paid politicians evade tax |
| 00:07.30 | Technobliterator | And no one has a clue what he'd do policy wise |
| 00:08.15 | Tybusen | Basically, what I see it as is that Trump will be a train wreck of an administration, while Hillary will continue the current slow-motion train wreck we're in |
| 00:08.29 | Monet | We can't be that broken if we're the 5th most powerful economy in the world. |
| 00:08.40 | Technobliterator | I don't buy that Hillary will continue the status quo |
| 00:08.40 | Tybusen | Both will lead us into the shitter, Trump will just do it faster than Hillary |
| 00:08.52 | Tybusen | Hillary is Status Quo: The Candidate |
| 00:08.53 | Wormy__ | We're quite broken for the lower middle class and below |
| 00:09.00 | ImpyDroid | But Trump will do it spectacularly |
| 00:09.04 | ImpyDroid | Or just do nothing |
| 00:09.05 | Technobliterator | She's spoken about a more "muscular" foreign policy, and takes more money from Wall Street than Obama did |
| 00:09.07 | Tybusen | The problem is that the American status quo is not great |
| 00:09.13 | Wormy__ | And our industries are dying even faster than before |
| 00:09.20 | Technobliterator | I imagine she'd just make the country worse off, personally |
| 00:09.35 | Hachiman | It's a shame Obama never did more |
| 00:09.36 | Monet | Wormy__: True, but regarding industry we may be going though a transitional period |
| 00:09.45 | Tybusen | I guess she's more a logical extension of the status quo than the status quo itself |
| 00:09.48 | Technobliterator | It's a shame Obama had congress blocking him |
| 00:09.55 | Technobliterator | from doing anything |
| 00:09.57 | Monet | The steel industry may be precarious, but the tertiary industry is growing considerably |
| 00:10.03 | Technobliterator | I wish he'd just passed universal healthcare |
| 00:10.06 | Technobliterator | instead of Obamacare |
| 00:10.08 | Technobliterator | But alas |
| 00:10.12 | Tybusen | I mean, I appreciate the things that Obama did, but he could have done so much more |
| 00:10.16 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:10.25 | Tybusen | Especially in his first two years when he actually had a blue Congress |
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| 00:10.35 | Monet | Technobliterator: Passing universal healthcare i nthe US is easier said than done. |
| 00:10.37 | Hachiman | Obama was a good President, but he could have been a great President |
| 00:10.39 | Technobliterator | It depends on whether or not Hillary gets indicted, or if Bernie wins California, or something |
| 00:10.47 | Wormy__ | Two factories, which were pretty powerful in the past just shut in my town one after the other. Both were suppliers of high quality goods and together had nearly 1000 families employed. Now those workers have nowhere to go. They couldn't complete with cheap labour in South East Asia. |
| 00:10.54 | Tybusen | And even then, his campaign finance reform that he put on the DNC has already been trashed |
| 00:10.55 | Technobliterator | then we may end up with him as DNC nominee, and maybe president |
| 00:11.04 | Wormy__ | *compete |
| 00:11.05 | Technobliterator | But it's really a coin toss at this point |
| 00:11.24 | Technobliterator | I think the DNC is doing such a terrible job right now |
| 00:11.28 | Tybusen | Mathematically, Bernie is going to have a tough time of it |
| 00:11.29 | Wormy__ | Last of the UK's hoisery industry I think |
| 00:11.39 | Monet | Hachiman: Thing is Obama did try to fight congress. |
| 00:11.40 | Technobliterator | Mathematically, it's basically impossible, sure |
| 00:11.53 | Wormy__ | indepedent anyway |
| 00:11.57 | Tybusen | No doubt in part due to DNC shenanigans, but as it currently stands it's mathematically improbable for him to win on pledged delegates alone |
| 00:11.59 | Technobliterator | But an FBI indictment? Basically makes him the presumptive nominee |
| 00:12.28 | Hachiman | inb4 Trump wants to incite another space race |
| 00:12.32 | Hachiman | Which would be a scientific boon |
| 00:12.33 | Monet | Fighting congress is difficult. It exists to make sure the president doesn't hold absolute power. |
| 00:12.49 | Tybusen | If he somehow made Hillary non-viable in CA that would get Bernie the nom on pledged delegates alone |
| 00:12.49 | Technobliterator | It's just whether the DNC would rather risk a Trump presidency to prevent a Bernie nomination, if Hillary is indicted |
| 00:12.57 | Liquid_Ink | The US needs to emphasise the congress elections more |
| 00:12.59 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but there's no way he'd do that |
| 00:13.00 | Wormy__ | Monet: I think we're becoming a country of services. Thats why if we leave the EU and Scotland leaves, England is stuffed |
| 00:13.21 | Tybusen | The DNC seems to care way more about maintaining their own power rather than preventing Trump from taking over |
| 00:13.53 | Technobliterator | I do expect him to win CA, but I think a double digit win would be his most ideal scenario, and getting her non viable is basically out of the question |
| 00:14.04 | Technobliterator | Sadly, yes, which is why I say it's a coin toss |
| 00:14.13 | Monet | Wormy__: Indeed. I guess some good news is that by the looks of China, we might be better off growing our service industry |
| 00:14.22 | Tybusen | I'm optimistic about CA but it would be a bad idea to get hopes too high up |
| 00:14.32 | Technobliterator | If they just throw Biden in or something to block Bernie, then get used to saying President Trump |
| 00:14.32 | Tybusen | CA is pretty establishment |
| 00:14.35 | Monet | China is being challenged as the factory of the world by India and Indonesia. |
| 00:14.48 | Wormy__ | Well, the pay is pretty shit |
| 00:14.51 | Tybusen | I'm really skeptical about the idea that Biden would get thrown in as a Hillary replacement |
| 00:14.58 | Wormy__ | Ask anyone who works in services |
| 00:15.07 | ImpyDroid | Having competition is always good |
| 00:15.08 | Tybusen | Biden said a long time ago that he wasn't interested in running |
| 00:15.09 | Technobliterator | If they just sigh and let Bernie win after a very likely Hillary indictment, get used to saying President Sanders |
| 00:15.18 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 00:15.27 | Technobliterator | I think they may realse that it's a horrible idea |
| 00:15.28 | Monet | Wormy__: Depends on the position. |
| 00:15.47 | Technobliterator | But they must surely have realised that what they did at the Nevada convention would be a horrible idea as well |
| 00:15.48 | Monet | On the sho pfloor, yes, the pay can be a bit miserable. |
| 00:15.49 | Technobliterator | And did it anyway |
| 00:15.51 | Wormy__ | It also means we are becoming dependent on other nations, so being the fifth largest economy doesn't really make it feel any better |
| 00:16.06 | Tybusen | I mean, there was a report that came out recently that outlined that Hillary has indeed broken numerous laws in the email scandal alone, it's now just a matter of if and when the FBI indicts her |
| 00:16.16 | Wormy__ | Thats where most of the work is |
| 00:16.26 | Technobliterator | It looks really likely |
| 00:16.35 | Technobliterator | There's a lot of evidence to suggest she did breakt hte law |
| 00:16.53 | Wormy__ | Someone I know worked in Boots for 20 years and still hasn't got managerial status |
| 00:16.54 | Tybusen | According to the report, there is very little ambiguity that she broke the law |
| 00:17.13 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:17.14 | Monet | Wormy__: Odd. |
| 00:17.17 | Tybusen | There were numerous security issues regarding the email server that she did not report despite claiming to have been cooperative |
| 00:17.17 | Technobliterator | But the FBI are taking ages |
| 00:17.35 | Tybusen | And some of those violations constitute felony crimes |
| 00:17.50 | Monet | My brother worked at Morrisons for two-three years and he might be up for a managerial position if he had a driver's lisence. |
| 00:18.41 | Tybusen | Plus everyone in the intel community has said that Hillary's email server was such an easy target for foreign intelligence agencies that they would question the competency of foreign intel if they didn't manage to get in |
| 00:19.18 | Tybusen | The entire email scandal screams either incompetency or opacity on a level that is simply not acceptable for our head of state |
| 00:19.42 | Tybusen | Imagine if Putin found something in that server that he could use to blackmail Hillary |
| 00:19.55 | Technobliterator | oh god yeah |
| 00:19.58 | Wormy__ | The thing is, Hillary is by no means unusual for politicians. I'm sure many of them are corrupt, why all the attention on Hillary? |
| 00:20.13 | Tybusen | I don't want a president who has so much baggage that every authoritarian leader in the world can practically make her do her bidding |
| 00:20.30 | Tybusen | Because Hillary is in the running for the highest executive office in this country |
| 00:20.38 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:20.39 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:21.23 | Wormy__ | Pfft, from whast I've seen, Congress seem to have much more power than the president anyway |
| 00:21.55 | Tybusen | A Senator or Representative on Hillary's level of corruption can do damage to this country through legislation, but the President is our head of state and defines our policy towards other countries |
| 00:22.18 | Tybusen | And in the globalized economy and community, how we conduct ourselves with other countries is important |
| 00:22.30 | Monet | The POTUS is the figurehead of the united states, and its also supreme commander of its armed forces. |
| 00:23.00 | Tybusen | Congress mostly defines our domestic policy, POTUS and the Cabinet mostly defines our foreign policy |
| 00:23.02 | Wormy__ | What makes her more corrupt than any other leader before her? |
| 00:23.32 | Wormy__ | I'm sure we could dig similar things out about Obama, and certainly Bush |
| 00:23.39 | Tybusen | It's not that she's necessarily any more corrupt than any past leader, it's that we're tired of these corrupt leaders |
| 00:24.02 | Tybusen | And we finally have alternatives to the corrupt establishment |
| 00:24.11 | Wormy__ | Fair enough, but that means all this attention on Hillary could be distorting the underlying problem. |
| 00:24.51 | Tybusen | That's true, though as far as I'm aware there's been a big effort in Bernie's campaign to bring attention to lower-level campaigns |
| 00:24.56 | Monet | Could be mass media doing what it does best - creating a compelling story. |
| 00:25.53 | Monet | Hilighting Hillary's corruption is drawing attention away fomr elsewhere |
| 00:26.10 | Tybusen | I think that's definitely one of the bigger differences between Bernie and Trump, despite both being "anti-establishment", Bernie has actually made an effort to bring attention to the fact that he needs a Congress to support him |
| 00:26.13 | Wormy__ | Bernie sounds great and all, but I don't have trust in him. In the UK we have a similar guy called Jeremy Corbyn who looked promising at first and is a socialist. However, his performance has been disappointing and he probably can't hold his promises nor is free from scandal/ |
| 00:26.55 | Tybusen | Bernie is closer to a social democrat, and he has plans |
| 00:26.55 | DrodoEmpire | Low energy Bernie <.< |
| 00:27.02 | Wormy__ | nd tbh, I doubt it is real channge |
| 00:27.16 | Tybusen | How "optimistic" or "realistic" they are is probably a matter of opinion |
| 00:28.08 | Tybusen | Being an optimist and a progressive, I have confidence that Bernie's plans can be implemented and bring change for the better, but that may change depending on your view of politics and legislation |
| 00:28.30 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Yuggy04 |
| 00:28.31 | infobot | yuggy04 <1804aaa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.170.166> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 29m 59s ago, saying: 'Oh, there is such thing as private messages?'. |
| 00:28.37 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:28.46 | Wormy__ | Corbyn straight up denies that the Labour paty is rife with antisemitism, if we was really something different he would admit the problem and cleanup his party |
| 00:28.56 | Tybusen | If nothing else, if he can finally bring about campaign finance reform and single-payer universal healthcare, I'll be satisfied |
| 00:29.08 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 00:29.16 | Tybusen | Well first of all |
| 00:29.19 | Technobliterator | I think the antisemitisim thing is far from Labour's biggest problems |
| 00:29.22 | Technobliterator | like |
| 00:29.25 | Technobliterator | way far from it |
| 00:29.29 | Wormy__ | No, its one of its worst |
| 00:29.34 | Technobliterator | It's really not |
| 00:29.40 | Technobliterator | It's just an accusation |
| 00:29.44 | Wormy__ | And in fact many Labour supporters seem antisemitic to me |
| 00:29.55 | Wormy__ | Nope, I've argued with them |
| 00:30.19 | Tybusen | I think there's a bit of a difference here in regards to the UK Labor Party and the US Democratic Party |
| 00:30.34 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but both are just a complete joke |
| 00:30.59 | Monet | In different ways |
| 00:30.59 | Tybusen | Bernie's campaign is built primarily on addressing all of the shortcomings of the Dems |
| 00:31.07 | Technobliterator | Really, every single political party here, with the exception of UKIP of all people, is just a disgrace |
| 00:31.09 | Wormy__ | Yeah but I stand by my point. Every leftist bends over backwards for Corbyn here, as do people seem to in the US for Sanders |
| 00:31.28 | Monet | UKIP, right. |
| 00:31.38 | Technobliterator | And I am not looking forward to our inevitable UKIP majority at all |
| 00:31.39 | Wormy__ | But they fail to realise that many issues go unadressed |
| 00:31.43 | Tybusen | Well, at least for the US, we haven't really had any true leftists before Bernie came around |
| 00:31.54 | Tybusen | DNC and GOP are both center-right parties by Euro standards |
| 00:31.59 | Technobliterator | But they're the only party that appear to be doing anything right |
| 00:32.06 | Technobliterator | no, GOP is far right by Euro standards |
| 00:32.15 | Technobliterator | And you did always have Jill Stein |
| 00:32.31 | Tybusen | Green isn't one of the big two, so not really |
| 00:32.38 | Monet | And Farage's temper-tantrums? |
| 00:32.39 | Tybusen | That's another problem with U |
| 00:32.42 | Tybusen | That's another problem with US politics |
| 00:33.00 | Tybusen | We only really have two choices in most races, either Dem or Republican |
| 00:33.12 | Technobliterator | Bernie Sanders is a consistent, honest and priincipled politician, and I cannot say that for anyone over here |
| 00:33.18 | Technobliterator | Maybe Thatcher, but I hate her |
| 00:33.30 | Technobliterator | Maybe Corbyn, but it's way too early to tell |
| 00:33.39 | Wormy__ | Techno: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u15lisZGAA https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/james-mcash/left-wing-anti-semitism-what-is-it-and-what-is-to-be-done |
| 00:33.56 | Tybusen | And it's what's caused the massive neoliberalism in the US, because we only have two choices and both are usually corporatism lite and corporatism 2.0 |
| 00:34.04 | Technobliterator | Farage gives me the impression that he is, but once again, I detest his policies |
| 00:34.10 | Technobliterator | So it's hard for me to say |
| 00:34.26 | Technobliterator | he might be a total idiot and I've missed it because I don't feollow UKIP at all |
| 00:34.45 | Tybusen | I might vote Green if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, but I'm wary of their anti-GMO and anti-nuclear power platforms |
| 00:35.04 | Technobliterator | But they're the only party that don't make a complete joke of themselves and appear to remain popular |
| 00:35.06 | Tybusen | I think the Green Party might also be anti-vax but that might just be a couple of high-profile figures |
| 00:35.27 | Technobliterator | the state of politics is just |
| 00:35.30 | Technobliterator | such a disgrace |
| 00:35.34 | Monet | Always has been |
| 00:35.41 | Technobliterator | I've no doubt |
| 00:35.42 | Monet | Its jsut more transparent now |
| 00:35.47 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:35.52 | Monet | WHich is good |
| 00:36.26 | Technobliterator | Wormy__, I honestly do not believe this is a serious issue |
| 00:36.39 | Wormy__ | Why not? |
| 00:36.40 | Monet | It means that they can't get away with as much before the public goes apeshit. |
| 00:36.55 | Technobliterator | It appears to be something blown out of proportion by the right wing press |
| 00:37.21 | Wormy__ | Of course the right wing press would do that. But that doesn't mean the left should be in denial. |
| 00:37.25 | Technobliterator | Just like pig gate accusations were blown out of proportion by the left wing press, those were probably all false |
| 00:37.48 | Technobliterator | They're in denial because they don't think it's a problem that exists, or more importantly, that it's not worth wasting time on |
| 00:37.55 | Wormy__ | Corbyn would have my respect he he could admit the problem. |
| 00:37.58 | Technobliterator | How would you suggest they respond to the accusations? |
| 00:38.01 | Wormy__ | Thats my problem with them |
| 00:38.15 | Tybusen | Something like a rash of anti-semitism seems like a problem that should be acknowledged if it exists, but it doesn't seem to be an overwhelming issue |
| 00:38.15 | Technobliterator | If they admit the problem, then they give everyone ammo to say "hah, gotcha!" |
| 00:38.25 | Technobliterator | If they deny the problem, they also give everyone that same ammo |
| 00:38.28 | Wormy__ | Then they are weak |
| 00:38.36 | Technobliterator | There's no proper way to respond |
| 00:38.47 | Technobliterator | So they downplay it instead |
| 00:38.50 | Monet | If Techno has a point ,what if this is like torture and the only way the press wil lbe satisfied is when Labour start weeping and admitting they're all anti-semites. |
| 00:38.52 | Technobliterator | Which is exactly what they're trying to do |
| 00:39.06 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 00:39.19 | Technobliterator | There's really no way to come out of this looking good |
| 00:39.31 | Wormy__ | No, Corbyn should stand on his laurels against racism and admit the problem exists while cleaning up his party. The fact he doesn't suggests he doesn't think the problem or is an antisemite. And I could never support such a politician. |
| 00:39.31 | Technobliterator | So I dont think it's a fair or a strong criticism |
| 00:39.45 | Tybusen | Ultimately, I think the best solution to this problem if it exists is to acknowledge that it's happening, condemn those participating in it, and move on |
| 00:39.51 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but Wormy, do you not see how that will be made out if he does? |
| 00:40.06 | Wormy__ | I do, but how can progress be made otherwise? |
| 00:40.09 | Monet | Tybusen: That would require the press to act mature. |
| 00:40.21 | Tybusen | Yeah that's true |
| 00:40.25 | Wormy__ | There is vitriolic hate for Jewish people actually, in all parties. |
| 00:40.27 | Technobliterator | The immediate reaction would be several headlines about how Corbyn hates his own party |
| 00:40.35 | Monet | Shit like this - even if a politican admits and promises ot move on, they wil lnever hear the end of it. |
| 00:40.39 | Technobliterator | Further creating a rift between Corbyn and lots of Labour's MPs |
| 00:40.45 | Technobliterator | When it's already a massive issue |
| 00:40.54 | Technobliterator | Or they'd be accusing him of lying or trying to save face |
| 00:41.00 | Tybusen | I don't know how bad press corruption is in the UK but I know the US press would slam Bernie from one wall to another if he did something similar to that |
| 00:41.18 | Technobliterator | He chose instead to try and downplay it and to work more towards party unity |
| 00:41.21 | Wormy__ | As fas as I'm concerned then, Labour even under Corbyn will leave issues unadressed |
| 00:41.30 | Technobliterator | Perhaps they will |
| 00:41.43 | Wormy__ | While everyone preaches how good they are |
| 00:41.49 | Technobliterator | But like I said, there's no real way to look good after it |
| 00:41.51 | Monet | Tybusen: The Daily Mail still talks about Diana. |
| 00:41.57 | Tybusen | I mean, Bernie presents a nuanced view on the Obama presidency that it was good but not perfect, and the media immediately jumped on it with "DAE BERNIE HATES OBAMA??? RACIST???" |
| 00:42.01 | Wormy__ | Labour are just as the bad as the Tories, they just pretend to be otherwise |
| 00:42.14 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Wormy, that's not really a secret |
| 00:42.16 | Technobliterator | at all |
| 00:42.17 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 00:42.41 | Technobliterator | No one thinking straight thinks that's the case, they just trust Labour politicians to align more with their ideals than Tory politicians |
| 00:42.43 | Tybusen | Wormy__: Coincidentally, that's how the Democratic Party is to the Republican Party in most ways |
| 00:42.56 | Wormy__ | lol |
| 00:43.03 | Technobliterator | The people who think Labour can do no wrong are just delusional |
| 00:43.28 | Monet | Its the truth of Realpolitik. |
| 00:43.37 | Tybusen | The only difference between the Dem Party and GOP is that at the very least the Dems won't tell LGBTQ people to go hang themselves or something |
| 00:43.56 | Technobliterator | the Democratics take too much money from Wall Street for me to like them |
| 00:44.02 | Monet | No one in any position of political power is comepltely devoid of blac kstains. |
| 00:44.13 | Technobliterator | Really, what we need is to just get rid of FPTP and repalce it with STV |
| 00:44.21 | Technobliterator | make the politicians have to actually work for oyur vote |
| 00:44.26 | Tybusen | The Dems are just as bad as the GOP, the only decent thing about the Dems is that they're on the better side of social policy |
| 00:44.40 | Technobliterator | other than just point fingers at the other guy and scare people into voting against them |
| 00:45.01 | Technobliterator | yeah, I mean, look at it from the perspective of Trump supporters |
| 00:45.11 | Technobliterator | They feel as betrayed by the GOP as Sanders supporters feel about the DNC |
| 00:45.11 | Tybusen | Another reason why I won't vote for Hillary is that she's been using red-baiting against Bernie and that's just a disgusting tactic |
| 00:45.35 | Technobliterator | They think that the GOP was completely unfair to them and has been on the wrong side of everything |
| 00:45.43 | Technobliterator | And are thrilled that Trump made it through regardless |
| 00:45.49 | Tybusen | I don't need another politician hammering in further "socialism and communism is bad mmkay" 20 years after the end of the Cold War |
| 00:45.53 | Monet | I just think we put too much faith i nthe democratic process. |
| 00:46.24 | Tybusen | I think democracy can still be good if you put the effort into making sure it's clean and not a circus |
| 00:46.29 | DrodoEmpire | The big issue is money in politics |
| 00:46.30 | Technobliterator | Tybusen, if the FBI doesn't indict Clinton and you don't end up with Sanders, I feel so bad for you guys :| |
| 00:46.41 | Technobliterator | You have to choose between the lesser of two evils |
| 00:46.48 | DrodoEmpire | I almost spelt Monet in politics |
| 00:46.50 | Tybusen | I'm not choosing between the lesser of two evils |
| 00:46.52 | DrodoEmpire | But you're alright Monet |
| 00:46.53 | Technobliterator | haha |
| 00:46.55 | DrodoEmpire | <3 |
| 00:46.59 | Tybusen | I'm voting third party if it's Hillary vs. Trump |
| 00:47.10 | Technobliterator | Yeah, I would fully suggest you do that |
| 00:47.15 | Tybusen | I refuse to reward the DNC for fear tactics and the current polarized state of politics |
| 00:47.15 | Technobliterator | Especially since you're not in a swing state |
| 00:47.20 | Monet | Better than refusing to vote. |
| 00:47.26 | Technobliterator | I agree |
| 00:47.45 | Technobliterator | Well, the exit polls of the FBI primary aren't looking good |
| 00:47.59 | Technobliterator | for a certain someone |
| 00:48.00 | Tybusen | I think there was a comparison I saw once that compared the relationship between the DNC and Dem voters as an abusive relationship |
| 00:48.22 | Tybusen | DNC shits on their voter base, then tries to act nice and downplay all those things they did to get the voters to come back to them |
| 00:48.55 | Tybusen | DNC either scares the voters using the GOP or pretends to act nice in order to get the voters to go back into the abusive relationship |
| 00:49.19 | Tybusen | It seemed like a scarily apt comparison |
| 00:49.31 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:49.40 | Technobliterator | You guys were lucky to ened up with Obama |
| 00:49.48 | Technobliterator | But unlucky that Obama was blocked from doing anything |
| 00:50.35 | Tybusen | I think Obama started out with a great vision, but probably had to sell his soul to the corporate overlords to get even a semblance of progress done |
| 00:50.58 | Tybusen | Which is probably why Obama ended up as a disappointing President |
| 00:51.39 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:52.01 | Technobliterator | I think he would've passed universal healthcare were it not for that |
| 00:52.09 | Technobliterator | and Guatanamo Bay would've been closed |
| 00:52.50 | Tybusen | We might have also avoided taking a massive shit on the Arab world during the Arab Spring |
| 00:53.01 | Tybusen | Though I think that's more on Hillary than Obama |
| 00:54.10 | Tybusen | Libya is in ruins primarily due to how we handled our intervention, and Syria has seen better days |
| 00:55.04 | Tybusen | We might have also reached accord with Iran sooner, though I can't tell if that's because of Hillary's hawkishness or the downright hostility of the Ahmenajad governement |
| 00:55.13 | Tybusen | Anyways I have to go, see you all later |
| 00:58.23 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently the hockey stick may've been invented by my province's local tribe? o.O Interesting stuff really |
| 00:58.31 | DrodoEmpire | Actually it most likely was |
| 01:14.31 | Wormy__ | Did they invent the name too? |
| 01:15.36 | Wormy__ | checks |
| 01:15.47 | Wormy__ | No it came from the Middle Ages somewhere |
| 01:16.09 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I don't think |
| 01:16.24 | DrodoEmpire | Still there's a long historical record of Mi'kmaqs making such sticks |
| 01:16.35 | DrodoEmpire | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Mikmac-hockey-sticks.jpg |
| 01:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | Circa 1890 |
| 01:26.52 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Yuggy04 |
| 01:26.54 | infobot | yuggy04 <1804aaa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.170.166> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 1h 28m 22s ago, saying: 'Oh, there is such thing as private messages?'. |
| 01:27.01 | Wormy__ | Monet: I'm currently rendering something I toon shaded |
| 01:27.16 | Wormy__ | And I'm getting pixeleted lines in some areas, but not all |
| 01:27.30 | Wormy__ | These are still images |
| 01:28.29 | Monet | Hmm |
| 01:28.32 | Wormy__ | Fixed it! |
| 01:28.36 | Monet | What quality do you have it set to? |
| 01:28.59 | Wormy__ | It was my image size preset |
| 01:29.02 | Wormy__ | production |
| 01:30.15 | Monet | I haven't sued ton shader much |
| 01:30.51 | Wormy__ | It looks quite nice in scientific visualisation |
| 01:32.01 | Wormy__ | http://images.the-scientist.com/content/images/news/913-1.gif |
| 01:32.44 | Wormy__ | http://onemicron.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/rnaLabs-1024x601.jpg |
| 02:02.27 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjki1f8VEAE-XS7.jpg:large |
| 02:56.31 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:06.18 | Wormy__ | bye |
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| 03:10.49 | The_Randomness | I can't remember why I opened this again |
| 03:12.35 | DrodoEmpire | You've just done the digital equivalent of walking into a room and forgetting why you went in there |
| 03:12.46 | The_Randomness | yep |
| 03:16.11 | Tek0516 | Damnit Steam. It did an 8 GB update I told it not to do. >.< |
| 03:16.36 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 03:16.36 | infobot | i guess test is not funny |
| 03:19.14 | Monet | goodnight |
| 03:19.31 | Tek0516 | Night |
| 03:19.58 | The_Randomness | gn |
| 03:21.25 | DrodoEmpire | Night |
| 03:22.29 | Tek0516 | Ffs. And I think Steam is going to restart that 8 GB download from the beginning now too. >.< |
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| 05:45.09 | The_Randomness | this is the good stuff right here |
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| 10:39.32 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:39.35 | AdmiralTurtle | hi |
| 10:39.52 | AdmiralTurtle | so I'm playing multiplayer with a couple of my friends, two of the best things ever happened |
| 10:40.16 | AdmiralTurtle | 1) I was planning to play a defensive scientific game, and we have hyperlanes as the only FTL method allowed so I thought I'd be pretty secure |
| 10:40.27 | AdmiralTurtle | turns out, my capital world is the ONLY world that has hyperspace lanes to 23 whole sectors |
| 10:40.37 | AdmiralTurtle | and there's only one lane to reach my world from outside |
| 10:40.49 | AdmiralTurtle | so I build three military stations outside that hyperspace lane to ensure my safety :P |
| 10:44.24 | Hachiman | Fucking hell |
| 10:44.32 | AdmiralTurtle | that's just the first bit |
| 10:44.40 | AdmiralTurtle | my race is a space turtle :) |
| 10:44.47 | Hachiman | hur |
| 10:50.25 | AdmiralTurtle | and I got red crystal beams early from alien crystals so I've got tier-4 weapons early on |
| 10:54.00 | Hachiman | Damn |
| 10:54.05 | Hachiman | That's pretty cool |
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| 11:14.02 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 11:17.36 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 12:39.16 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 13:16.00 | Ghelae | Now the next time somebody comes on here wanting to talk about how teleportation = death, I finally have something to point them to rather than going over the same things all over again: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Philosophy_of_Teleportation |
| 13:18.58 | Tek0516 | Ugh, I want to read it but Wikia is being a mobile-hating idiot right now |
| 13:22.40 | Tek0516 | Goddamnit Wikia, I can't even use its mobile site because of its b*******. |
| 13:24.18 | Tek0516 | ...I'm even telling it to use mobile and it refuses. |
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| 13:31.08 | Monet | hi |
| 13:31.23 | Tek0516 | Hi |
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| 13:40.09 | Imperios | Hi |
| 13:40.51 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 13:46.05 | Tek0516 | Ghelae: Took way too much frustration to get to, but interesting article |
| 13:46.26 | Ghelae | Thanks. |
| 13:48.25 | Tek0516 | Essence definitely creates an interesting twist in the conventional arguments |
| 13:55.19 | Wormy_ | Yeah, I liked the reflection on how most people would think of essence versus those of a philospher |
| 14:07.04 | AdmiralTurtle | Monet: Best Stellaris spawn ever |
| 14:08.05 | AdmiralTurtle | hyperlanes only travel, I spawned on the one system connecting twenty-three other systems to the rest of the galaxy, completely restricting access to the sector |
| 14:12.51 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 14:13.30 | AdmiralTurtle | I had a fleet of fifteen destroyers and a heavy defence station pointed at the only entry to the system |
| 14:13.42 | AdmiralTurtle | I was both the primary technological and military power in the area |
| 14:14.07 | Tek0516 | AdmiralTurtle: i'm going to guess your early plan involves colonizing that and turtleing the sector |
| 14:14.26 | AdmiralTurtle | involved* we ended that game, and let me summarise by saying my RACE was a space turtle :P |
| 14:14.47 | AdmiralTurtle | I was planning to turtle from the start, and the universe responded in kind |
| 14:14.59 | Tek0516 | MP? |
| 14:15.04 | AdmiralTurtle | also hence my IRC name :P |
| 14:15.05 | AdmiralTurtle | yes |
| 14:15.16 | AdmiralTurtle | playing with a couple of my friends |
| 14:15.46 | Tek0516 | Ah. All I've done so far was my first single player campaign |
| 14:16.59 | AdmiralTurtle | I've discovered the combat in the game is actually a lot simpler than I first gave it credit for, once you understand it |
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| 14:50.35 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 14:50.39 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
| 14:50.44 | Cyrannian | ~smash OluapPlayer |
| 14:50.44 | infobot | ACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction |
| 15:13.54 | Technobliterator | Imperios, poke |
| 15:22.29 | OluapPlayer | u failed |
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| 15:40.42 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:41.08 | AdmiralTurtle | hi |
| 15:43.47 | AdmiralTurtle | throwing it out randomly, one other thing I don't like about Stellaris is there's not really an option for early military action against other space powers |
| 15:46.14 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 15:48.04 | AdmiralTurtle | and I still really, really don't like the fact that there's no traditional tech tree |
| 15:52.58 | Monet | It is a bit of a crapshoot what techs become available |
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| 15:53.44 | Monet | I kind of like it. For me it nudges you to avoid flying down the same path over and over. |
| 15:53.46 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:57.21 | AdmiralTurtle | I don't like it because it has the potential to utterly screw you over, to no fault of your own, and in a long match-length strategy game that's just not acceptable imo |
| 15:58.09 | AdmiralTurtle | in the last game i was only able to settle one planet because I didn't get *any* colonisation tech until I'd already had my galactic capital built |
| 15:58.11 | Monet | Adapt. |
| 15:59.32 | AdmiralTurtle | it's easy to say adapt, but you get situations where no amount of adapting could help, like being stuck on one planet and a couple of outposts for territory when you're right next to someone who has no such restrictions and wants to murder you |
| 16:00.09 | Monet | So basically playing a minor natio in EU. |
| 16:00.10 | AdmiralTurtle | like the situation I was in, where I could barely maintain what I had, built up a 2k strength fleet, then discovered that my nearby neighbour had more than double that when he knocked down my door with it |
| 16:00.46 | Hachiman | I've had that happen to me |
| 16:01.40 | AdmiralTurtle | there's a difference between, for example Civ, which puts you in a random situation but gives you the possibility to orient your tech path to deal with it, to having a situation and no guarantee you're going to get the tech needed to adapt |
| 16:03.00 | AdmiralTurtle | it's entirely possible to miss out on fundamental things, like energy shielding and research buildings, for a long time just because you didn't draw the right set of researches |
| 16:03.13 | AdmiralTurtle | which as I said, I find unacceptable in a strategy game which takes multiple hours to play |
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| 16:36.47 | Monet | Hello |
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| 16:41.12 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 16:41.39 | Xho | MESHUGGAAH |
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| 16:58.24 | Xho | well i'm bored |
| 16:58.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: I just realised that 50 Shades of Grey is the most immersive movie in history |
| 16:59.10 | Xho | Triggertron 5000 strikes again |
| 16:59.19 | DanzaDelMondo | It is a movie where one has to do the same thing as the main character |
| 16:59.24 | DanzaDelMondo | Suffer for one's lover's sexual pleasure |
| 16:59.38 | DanzaDelMondo | By "one" I mean the viewer |
| 17:00.07 | Xho | imp wher r u goin wit dis |
| 17:00.16 | DanzaDelMondo | As in |
| 17:00.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Watching this movie is painful |
| 17:00.35 | DanzaDelMondo | But brings sexual pleasure |
| 17:00.47 | DanzaDelMondo | For women |
| 17:01.24 | DanzaDelMondo | So if you're going to the movie, say, with your girlfriend, you're in the same situation as Anastasia |
| 17:01.32 | DanzaDelMondo | You feel pain as your love interest feels pleasure |
| 17:02.00 | OluapPlayer | Nah it's just shitty Twilight fanfiction |
| 17:02.43 | DanzaDelMondo | But watching or reading Twilight does not suck your blood |
| 17:02.58 | DanzaDelMondo | Watching Twilight is not vampirism |
| 17:03.25 | DanzaDelMondo | But 50 Shades is not just about sexual torture, it IS sexual torture in itself |
| 17:06.49 | Monet | I'm sort of tempted to believe that 50 Shades isn't shitty. |
| 17:07.02 | Monet | It's not great, but it's not a turd either |
| 17:07.39 | Xho | it's a great turd |
| 17:07.43 | Xho | #bestofbothworlds |
| 17:07.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: It's porn |
| 17:07.57 | DanzaDelMondo | You don't rate porn by plot quality |
| 17:08.03 | OluapPlayer | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/FiftyShadesOfGrey I'm inclined to believe it's just shitty |
| 17:08.56 | DanzaDelMondo | HOLY COW |
| 17:09.15 | Xho | "Which do you hate more, women or the English language?" |
| 17:10.21 | OluapPlayer | poppycock m8 |
| 17:10.22 | DanzaDelMondo | "Moving down, I push him into my mouth. He groans again. Ha! My inner goddess is thrilled. I can do this. I can fuck him with my mouth." |
| 17:10.29 | DanzaDelMondo | >inner goddess |
| 17:10.55 | Xho | this kills the waptor |
| 17:11.22 | OluapPlayer | He was not here to begin with |
| 17:12.12 | Monet | Like Imp said |
| 17:12.26 | Xho | killed him anyway |
| 17:12.28 | Xho | twas sniper shot |
| 17:12.40 | OluapPlayer | wanka |
| 17:12.42 | Monet | Its porn, not something like Sleepless in Seattle. |
| 17:13.00 | DanzaDelMondo | It's hilarious tho |
| 17:13.25 | Xho | Fifty Shades of Polymorph, as told by Kalcedia |
| 17:13.32 | DanzaDelMondo | I love how 50 Shades received a 12+ rating in France |
| 17:13.59 | OluapPlayer | It's just 50 pictures of Kalcedia in different poses |
| 17:14.23 | Xho | Tau - what is this |
| 17:14.41 | Monet | Wouldn't that make it the Kama Sutra? |
| 17:14.56 | OluapPlayer | Poses, not positions |
| 17:14.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKK37G-ZWvk French people, ladies and gentlemen |
| 17:14.59 | Xho | Nu - only when im involved ayyyyy |
| 17:15.09 | DanzaDelMondo | That's for fucking lemonade |
| 17:15.11 | OluapPlayer | Universe - >implying |
| 17:15.14 | DanzaDelMondo | HE'S POURING FUCKING LEMONADE |
| 17:15.17 | DanzaDelMondo | ON HIS FUCKING CHEEKS |
| 17:15.23 | DanzaDelMondo | TO FUCKING SHAVE |
| 17:15.25 | Xho | Nu - >implying |
| 17:15.51 | Xho | Where's Charles when you want to laugh at his culture |
| 17:15.55 | Xho | ~seen Charles_Murray |
| 17:16.00 | infobot | charles_murray <495c6351@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.92.99.81> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 8d 19h 54m 40s ago, saying: 'Well, we did have it manifest itself in hyperspace in the form of hyperspatial fog'. |
| 17:17.08 | Monet | He's often quite quiet |
| 17:17.56 | OluapPlayer | deceased |
| 17:18.20 | Xho | ded |
| 17:20.39 | Hachiman | 50 Shades is bad fiction based on bad fanfiction |
| 17:20.49 | Xho | oooooooooh |
| 17:20.55 | Hachiman | Bad fanfiction that was also based on bad fiction |
| 17:20.59 | Xho | OOOOOOOOOH |
| 17:21.01 | OluapPlayer | You're bad fiction |
| 17:21.10 | OluapPlayer | Or rather, you're not fiction at all |
| 17:21.11 | OluapPlayer | The worst |
| 17:21.16 | Hachiman | Non-fiction |
| 17:21.23 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRiOEsyZSX8 |
| 17:21.42 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:22.14 | Hachiman | Xho: I like how, if you pause at the very start, there's angry kid Bulma |
| 17:22.24 | Xho | So there is |
| 17:23.18 | Hachiman | Also Meshuggah's coming to London in January |
| 17:30.43 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: Not deceased |
| 17:30.51 | DanzaDelMondo | He surrendered his time on the wiki |
| 17:30.58 | OluapPlayer | yes deceased |
| 17:31.04 | DanzaDelMondo | >surrendered |
| 17:31.08 | OluapPlayer | frog has expired |
| 17:40.05 | Xho | I saw |
| 17:40.10 | Xho | I'm probably not going |
| 17:41.35 | Hachiman | y |
| 17:43.10 | Xho | I'd be going up by myself to see it |
| 17:43.15 | Xho | I don't fancy doing that |
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| 17:47.47 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 17:48.54 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 17:59.00 | OluapPlayer | Bored |
| 18:02.57 | Technobliterator | Surrendered his time? |
| 18:02.59 | Technobliterator | hi random |
| 18:03.27 | OluapPlayer | Cowardly french joke |
| 18:03.43 | Technobliterator | oh eh |
| 18:03.47 | Technobliterator | so I guess Charles is on a break then |
| 18:03.51 | Technobliterator | I need him for Reckoning :c |
| 18:06.08 | Monet | Not on break more like busy with studies I think |
| 18:06.33 | Technobliterator | That sounds like a break to me |
| 18:08.31 | Monet | A wiki break yes |
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| 18:24.07 | Tek0516 | Maybe it's exams? |
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| 19:21.00 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 19:41.01 | Xho | Huh well |
| 19:41.11 | Xho | A position for a trainee manager in a company in Southampton just popped up |
| 19:41.15 | Xho | on fire |
| 19:44.35 | OluapPlayer | For a moment I thought you meant the company was on fire |
| 19:48.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJNFoHuLno&index=4&list=FLVgk3MXpU_EN_qzFHEbMfCg |
| 19:48.14 | Xho | OluapPlayer: welcome to hell biatch |
| 19:48.24 | OluapPlayer | double ping |
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| 20:11.53 | DanzaDelMondo | http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-01/internet-hate-speech-to-be-blocked-within-24-hours/ Huh |
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| 20:24.40 | Hachiman | This fucking weather |
| 20:26.03 | The_Randomness | What's the weather like where you are? |
| 20:26.16 | Hachiman | Awful |
| 20:26.17 | Xho | crap |
| 20:26.18 | Hachiman | Lots of wind |
| 20:26.27 | Xho | 1st of June: wind and rain |
| 20:26.30 | Xho | welcome to summer in the UK |
| 20:26.31 | Hachiman | Had a blackout thre times |
| 20:26.35 | Hachiman | three |
| 20:29.07 | The_Randomness | rip |
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| 21:02.45 | Monet | Hello |
| 21:03.41 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 21:30.25 | Xho | Well that's the CV and application sent |
| 21:30.31 | Xho | Here's hoping I get something out of it |
| 21:31.11 | Xho | Funniest thing is it's an acquisitions company so if I hopefully get an interview or perhaps a job I can say I am progressing in Patrick Bateman level |
| 21:31.35 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 21:31.54 | DanzaDelMondo | iH |
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| 21:36.52 | Monet | Xho: Hopefulyl ten years down the line you'll avoid the urge to murder one of your coworkers because he has a nicer flat than you. |
| 21:37.01 | Xho | HEY PAUL |
| 21:37.33 | Xho | Job position was posted today as well |
| 21:37.41 | Xho | Hopefully I've caught their eye |
| 21:37.46 | Xho | I'm pretty sure language proficiency will |
| 21:39.35 | Monet | Getting in early is always good |
| 21:40.54 | Monet | Bosses like early birds |
| 21:41.25 | Xho | Aye |
| 21:41.42 | Xho | All the people I'm friendly with at the place I'm working at now are leaving |
| 21:41.55 | Xho | It's going to get miserable quite fast |
| 21:42.27 | Xho | At least with the prospects on this job there's a lot of room for progression |
| 21:44.59 | Xho | So reading up on this article |
| 21:45.09 | Xho | Tutankhamun was buried with a dagger made of meteorite metal |
| 21:45.13 | Xho | he had a fucking space dagger |
| 21:47.51 | Monet | #alienoriginsconfirmed |
| 21:48.23 | Monet | Although wasn't Atilla the Hun also once in posession of a gladius made of meteorite metal? |
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| 21:48.50 | Xho | inb4 all kings of history were spacemen |
| 21:49.59 | Monet | I think the gladius was loot from a raid. |
| 21:51.53 | Hachiman | I wonder what properties meteorite metal has |
| 21:52.24 | OluapPlayer | It's made of conventional rock |
| 21:52.33 | OluapPlayer | It just comes from space |
| 21:53.23 | The_Randomness | I think most are just iron and nickel |
| 21:53.41 | Xho | yup get trolled normies REEEE |
| 21:54.40 | Monet | Yeah I think meteorite iron is a little purer than conventional iro nire. |
| 21:55.28 | Hachiman | Aw |
| 21:55.55 | The_Randomness | I wouldn't know about that, but yeah, meteorites aren't too exciting in terms of composition generally |
| 21:56.41 | Hachiman | So meteorite metal is not enchanted with space magic or super resistant |
| 21:56.44 | Hachiman | I was lied to hur |
| 21:56.44 | Monet | But for civilisations as old as egypt, they're an easy - if rather rare - source of iron if you lack smelting |
| 21:58.30 | OluapPlayer | Meteorites with metals are rare |
| 21:58.33 | OluapPlayer | Most have just rock |
| 21:58.54 | Xho | praise nalashtannylor for this gift |
| 21:58.58 | Monet | So for Ancient Egypt - where copper was the strongest known common metal - a knife made of emteoric iron may as well have been made of adamantium. |
| 21:59.00 | OluapPlayer | A stone |
| 21:59.16 | Xho | meteorite metal u dingus |
| 21:59.26 | OluapPlayer | is stone |
| 21:59.32 | Monet | That might be where this idea of 'magic metal' comes from, as it was one of the only sources of iron before the advent of iron smelting. |
| 21:59.34 | Xho | Nalashtannylor, God of Stones |
| 21:59.45 | Hachiman | God of Stoners |
| 22:00.01 | Xho | Khaadun - hey so our god is a bird right what's up with that |
| 22:00.07 | OluapPlayer | I think I recall my grandpa saying they found a small meteorite at his farm once, but it was nothing remarkable |
| 22:00.55 | Hachiman | You have to be immensely unlucky to be struck by a meteorite |
| 22:01.10 | OluapPlayer | It has happened at least twice |
| 22:01.16 | Hachiman | That is like instantaneous death right there |
| 22:01.22 | OluapPlayer | One of them this February |
| 22:01.29 | Hachiman | I think I recall that |
| 22:01.41 | OluapPlayer | "On the 6 February 2016, a taxi driver working in the Bharathdasan Engineering College Campus in the Vellore district was killed when an object fell from the sky. One theory is that it was a meteorite, in which case it would be the first human fatality from a falling meteorite since 1825." |
| 22:01.52 | Xho | wow what are the chances |
| 22:02.42 | OluapPlayer | The chance is probably fucking tiny since most meteorites are reduced to ash when they enter the atmosphere |
| 22:05.04 | Wormy_ | Tiny, but I'm sure I've read about ancient accounts of meteoric iron being sought after. And there are some places where its easier to find |
| 22:05.24 | Monet | Yeah |
| 22:05.25 | Wormy_ | Such as river beds, the desert, and even snow fields |
| 22:05.43 | Monet | Tiny, but there are enough fragments scattered for it to not be unheard of. |
| 22:05.56 | Wormy_ | http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/sikhote_alin_1642.jpg |
| 22:06.04 | Wormy_ | I have bought pieces of the stuff |
| 22:06.18 | OluapPlayer | Iron meteorites only make up 5% of the findings |
| 22:07.19 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13325469_1217272678296607_3729740167706317335_n.jpg?oh=428dcb5b0e8c49f1729581c27d6a1a63&oe=57C4E0D8 |
| 22:07.21 | Wormy_ | Thats true, but there are certain processes that pick up and deposit the stuff, like a river bed |
| 22:08.33 | Monet | Before the Hellenic period, Egypt was one of those places rich in copper ore but poor in tin ore. so most Egyptian tools and weapons were made of copper, which wears easily. |
| 22:08.49 | Wormy_ | Flowing through old craters |
| 22:09.19 | Wormy_ | Xho: Favourite meme |
| 22:10.05 | Monet | So compared to that, a meteoric iron blade like Tutankhamun's would have ben percieved as nigh-unbreakable. |
| 22:10.44 | Monet | So it makes sense such a thing would have been buried with a god-king |
| 22:12.25 | Wormy_ | Terry Pratchett forged a sword out of meteoric iron |
| 22:16.49 | Hachiman | Pratchett was quite a cool guy in general |
| 22:17.22 | Wormy_ | On of his stories really scared me though |
| 22:17.45 | Wormy_ | Where this girl got trapped in a dream as this feast |
| 22:17.46 | Xho | On the topic of authors, I had to introduce HP Lovecraft to people at work |
| 22:17.49 | Xho | Didn't go down very well |
| 22:18.00 | Hachiman | Did you tell them about his cat |
| 22:18.08 | Wormy_ | Are they all praying to Eldritch Abominations? |
| 22:18.09 | Xho | No because I'm not mad |
| 22:18.22 | Hachiman | Should have told them about the cat |
| 22:18.22 | Xho | Well I am mad but not that mad |
| 22:18.41 | Monet | Telling of Lovecraft's cat would have been suicide |
| 22:18.52 | Wormy_ | What is this? |
| 22:19.09 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Lovecraft used to own a cat he affectionately called Nigger Man |
| 22:19.14 | Wormy_ | Ah right |
| 22:19.27 | Monet | There's a reason the cat was renamed 'Nigerman' when mentioned in one of his stories. |
| 22:19.36 | Hachiman | It was Black Tom actually |
| 22:19.45 | Monet | Ah |
| 22:20.02 | Monet | That's much less offensive. WHich is good |
| 22:20.27 | Monet | SO what didn't they like about Lovecraft? |
| 22:20.54 | Xho | Interdimensonal abominations are a niche category |
| 22:20.58 | Hachiman | I love when people do audio reading Lovecraft's stories because I always hear them get reluctant whenever they get to a part involving awful, inappropriate racist slurs |
| 22:21.56 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: COUNTLESS YELLOW ASIATIC FACES DANCING TO THE RINGING OF DEMONIC CYMBALS |
| 22:22.59 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:23.07 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh wait |
| 22:23.15 | DanzaDelMondo | IT was Orwell that had "countless Asiatic faces" |
| 22:23.21 | DanzaDelMondo | Lovecraft had, lemme find it |
| 22:23.22 | DanzaDelMondo | And swarming loathsomely on aerial galleries I saw the yellow, squint-eyed people of that city, robed horribly in orange and red, and dancing insanely to the pounding of fevered kettle-drums, the clatter of obscene crotala, and the maniacal moaning of muted horns whose ceaseless dirges rose and fell undulantly like the wave of an unhallowed ocean of bitumen. |
| 22:23.37 | Hachiman | And countless uses of the word "negro" |
| 22:23.39 | Monet | Shame the father of fear-of-the-unknowable horror was as socially appropriate as... Well I *could* go into metaphor but honestly an apt comparison is beyond description for me. |
| 22:23.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Negro I |
| 22:23.52 | DanzaDelMondo | Well |
| 22:23.52 | Hachiman | Monet: He was socially appropriate for his time |
| 22:23.59 | DanzaDelMondo | "Negro" was just appropriate for the time |
| 22:24.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Martin Luther King used the word "Negro" |
| 22:24.20 | DanzaDelMondo | Russians still use it |
| 22:24.23 | DanzaDelMondo | I do use it at times |
| 22:24.26 | DanzaDelMondo | Not always but sometimes |
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| 22:24.38 | Monet | DanzaDelMondo: MLK has N-word privelages. |
| 22:25.24 | DanzaDelMondo | True but everyone used it at the time |
| 22:25.27 | DanzaDelMondo | Black or white |
| 22:25.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Or Asian or Native American I suppose |
| 22:25.43 | Wormy_ | Symbols and meanings change, I suppose. |
| 22:25.46 | DanzaDelMondo | ...Imagine Lovecraft in modern-day East Asia |
| 22:25.53 | DanzaDelMondo | Imagine Lovecraft in Seoul |
| 22:25.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Modern-day Seoul |
| 22:26.04 | Monet | Hachiman: He believed a cloud of cyanide sweeping though Chinatown would do wonders for the district. |
| 22:26.06 | DanzaDelMondo | Imagine the poor man screaming in horroro |
| 22:26.10 | Hachiman | I do not imagine Lovecraft faring well overseas |
| 22:26.16 | DanzaDelMondo | Exactly |
| 22:26.25 | Hachiman | Monet: Holy shit |
| 22:27.07 | Wormy_ | Wasn't he quite a withdrawn man? |
| 22:27.16 | Hachiman | He was |
| 22:27.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: GAS THE ASIANS RACE WAR NOW |
| 22:27.41 | Tybusen | ok |
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| 22:27.46 | Monet | Lovecraft makes Boo Radley positively outgoing. |
| 22:27.48 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 22:27.52 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 22:27.54 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:27.57 | Hachiman | He was quite reclusive and had difficulty interacting with other people |
| 22:27.57 | Imperios | I can say that hur |
| 22:28.00 | Hachiman | He was also an atheist |
| 22:28.01 | Wormy_ | How do |
| 22:28.14 | Monet | Hachiman: "He goes on to wish for a âkindly gust of cyanogen [cyanide]â that might âasphyxiate the whole gigantic abortion, end the misery and clean out the place.â" |
| 22:28.15 | Imperios | He also hated fish |
| 22:28.25 | Imperios | Hm |
| 22:28.32 | Imperios | Imagine him in modern-day California |
| 22:28.36 | OluapPlayer | He hated the ocean in general |
| 22:28.36 | Hachiman | That's fucking metal |
| 22:28.39 | Imperios | The poor man would have a heart attack |
| 22:29.09 | Monet | Thism an would have fucking loved the flying city of Columbia. |
| 22:29.17 | Imperios | ...Actually come to think about it, many fears regarding Asian people at the time are kind of similar to the fears regarding Muslim people today |
| 22:30.08 | Monet | Imperios: New York at the time was a popular destination for Chinese, Korean and Japanese migrants seeking a better life. |
| 22:30.19 | Monet | So the comparison makes sense. |
| 22:30.20 | Imperios | Exactly |
| 22:30.38 | Imperios | And the fears at the time revolved around Asian people taking over everything and the like |
| 22:30.49 | Imperios | Much like with Muslims today |
| 22:31.31 | Imperios | ...Then again East Asia became much more relevant in world politics today, so maybe the right-wingers are right in that the Islamic world is on the rise at least |
| 22:32.36 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Yuggy04 |
| 22:32.37 | infobot | yuggy04 <1804aaa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.170.166> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 22h 34m 5s ago, saying: 'Oh, there is such thing as private messages?'. |
| 22:32.43 | DrodoEmpire | Ah damn |
| 22:34.51 | Wormy_ | So I have some Beatnik music. Not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmdPlamK73M |
| 22:34.57 | Wormy_ | *found some |
| 22:36.25 | Monet | Wormy_: Were he alive you'd probably have despised Lovecraft. |
| 22:36.45 | Wormy_ | How come? |
| 22:37.20 | Monet | He was arrogent and obsessed with blood purity, and was raised among Providence aristocracy. |
| 22:37.29 | Monet | The worst kind of old money. |
| 22:38.11 | Monet | I will have to confirm but I read somewhere part of his inspiration for a twist in The Shadow over Innsmouth was discovering a trace of Welsh ancestry - which horrified him. |
| 22:38.18 | Wormy_ | Hm, if he was flaunting it and inciting hate, maybe I would. |
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| 22:38.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 22:38.47 | Yuggy04 | Herro |
| 22:38.53 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:39.02 | Hachiman | He fucking hated foreigners, whether they be white, Asian, or negro |
| 22:39.03 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 22:39.06 | Monet | Lovecraft's sense of social grace was considerably wanting. |
| 22:39.47 | Wormy_ | I used find cosmicism interesting, but I do reject it totally now. |
| 22:40.07 | Wormy_ | seems he had... quite a dim view of the human race |
| 22:40.23 | Monet | Married a Jewish woman but she had to constantly remind him of who he married whenever he descended into some quite frequent anti-semitic ravings. |
| 22:41.16 | Hachiman | Yeah, Lovecraft was not exactly a total hit with the ladies |
| 22:42.43 | Imperios | Tybusen: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/091/132/d32.jpg |
| 22:42.45 | Monet | Lovecraft was one of those people who thought the only 'proper' humans on Earth were of English blood through-and-through. |
| 22:43.15 | Imperios | Hachiman: I believe Shadow over Innsmouth was inspired by his own discovery of his Welsh heritage |
| 22:43.44 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty melodramatic guy <.< |
| 22:43.51 | Monet | Imperios: Didn't he describe it as like having some kind of parasite crawling though his skin? |
| 22:44.17 | Monet | I recall he was rather disgusted at the discovery. |
| 22:44.18 | Imperios | Monet: The blood of the Sheep Ones |
| 22:44.36 | Hachiman | He used abominations residing in secret within ancient houses as metaphors a lot of the time |
| 22:44.49 | Hachiman | Rats in the Walls, The Lurking Fear |
| 22:45.25 | Monet | Wormy_: His belief in cosmic indifference may have come more from his misfortunes in life than his attitude over race |
| 22:45.50 | Wormy_ | hmm, maybe |
| 22:45.54 | Monet | His opinion of race was down to being raised the son of an old-fashioned Rhode Island aristocrat. |
| 22:45.55 | Hachiman | I also found out the other day that he hated Herbert WestâReanimator because he didn't find it true to himself |
| 22:46.23 | Hachiman | And it was written purely for the sake of money because he had fallen on hard times |
| 22:47.32 | Monet | When Lovecraft was a child, his father was sent to an asylum for sypalitic insanity, his mother fell into a widow's delerium and after she was carted off, the family members he lived with were terrible with money. "There is no God" seems like an appropriate opinion. |
| 22:48.02 | Imperios | So ultimately his work combined all of his worst fears |
| 22:48.16 | Imperios | Foreigners, corruption, insanity, and the ocean |
| 22:48.18 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 22:48.21 | Imperios | Hm |
| 22:48.33 | Imperios | Does that mean that rap is the best genre for Lovecraft-themed music? |
| 22:48.34 | Monet | Makes me wonder if he considered his death a release. |
| 22:48.41 | Imperios | Or jazz |
| 22:49.00 | Hachiman | I doubt it considering he died slow and painfully |
| 22:49.23 | Monet | Hachiman: More like "I am dead, finally the torment that is my miserable life is over" |
| 22:49.30 | Monet | that kind of release I mean |
| 22:50.09 | Wormy_ | Actually, I probably wouldn't hate him, for he obviously suffered not only from his own problems with family and wealth, but also his ideas that burned him up inside. |
| 22:50.13 | Imperios | Sometimes I wished I could visit the America of Lovecraft and Howard's time |
| 22:50.21 | Imperios | Meeting Lovecraft could be fun |
| 22:50.25 | Monet | Imperios: Possibly not. Jazz and rap often approach these dark subjects in an upbeat way. |
| 22:50.36 | Imperios | Monet: Horrorcore perhaps |
| 22:50.46 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Also consider that he was a man of the times |
| 22:50.59 | Hachiman | His opinions were not so controversial back when he was alive |
| 22:51.16 | Monet | Well kind of |
| 22:51.35 | Hachiman | Well no, he was never completely accepted in society |
| 22:51.37 | Wormy_ | "When we feel our own reality tunnel we call it hell. The sad person lives in a sad world. The happy person in a happy world. The angry person in an angry world" Robert Anton Wilson |
| 22:51.45 | Monet | Most peopel had the decency to not publicly advocate the gassing of all Chinamen. |
| 22:53.14 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:53.18 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:53.41 | DrodoEmpire | People still had morals, even if they were misguided by unscientific prejudices regarding race |
| 22:54.36 | Hachiman | Would it be safe to say that Lovecraft was like the proto-neckbeard |
| 22:55.00 | Imperios | Aye |
| 22:55.17 | Hachiman | Reclusive, insular and self-interested, socially awkward, racist |
| 22:56.01 | Hachiman | Yet also surprisingly talented at something that in the end got him nowhere while he was still alive |
| 22:56.44 | Monet | New York at the time was generally seen as the centre of the world, that it was right to be called "the Empire State". Lovecraft however saw it as this anarchic, churning, grotesque mass of filth, too rotten to be saved. |
| 22:57.40 | Monet | Fritz Lang's film Metropolis was based on the skyscrapers that made New York's skyline so iconic. |
| 22:58.26 | Wormy_ | If anyone's interested in where Anton's quote comes from, tune in and drop out to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRJC8b8qEk |
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| 22:58.54 | Monet | Hello :) |
| 22:58.54 | dino82_ | hi |
| 22:59.58 | DrodoEmpire | Hi there |
| 22:59.59 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:00.28 | Monet | Lovecraft's view of New York wouldn't be popular perception until the 1970s, when New York became this fathomless pit of aggression, drugs and crime both organised and unorganised. |
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| 23:06.42 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
| 23:07.03 | DrodoEmpire | Good, good |
| 23:08.31 | Imperios | Monet: FUCK THE POLICE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE UNDERGROUND |
| 23:08.40 | Imperios | Or rather |
| 23:08.42 | Imperios | Hm |
| 23:08.52 | Imperios | FUCK THE ELDER GODS COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE R'LYEH |
| 23:09.04 | Imperios | A YOUNG OLD ONE GOT IT BAD CUZ I'M GREEN |
| 23:10.10 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD-WrGDt54 Xho |
| 23:13.32 | Hachiman | The best kind of violence |
| 23:13.56 | Wormy_ | people unleash beastiality jokes in response |
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| 23:18.51 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:25.29 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 23:31.24 | ImpyDroid | Sun at 2 AM |
| 23:31.26 | ImpyDroid | Great |
| 23:31.31 | ImpyDroid | It is that time of the year again |
| 23:32.20 | Monet_2 | All embrace land of Almost-Midnight Sun |
| 23:32.43 | Wormy_ | Will be until the end of June when we experience dawn between hours of 2 and 3, and nightfall at 11. |
| 23:32.51 | Wormy_ | Personally I love it and find it magical |
| 23:32.58 | ImpyDroid | It kind of is |
| 23:33.16 | ImpyDroid | Still a bit irritating when you are trying to sleep |
| 23:33.21 | ImpyDroid | THE DAY WILL LAST FOREVER |
| 23:33.28 | Wormy_ | Especially the birdsong |
| 23:33.55 | Wormy_ | But seriously the skies at that hour are esquisite http://www.bluehoursite.com/ |
| 23:34.37 | ImpyDroid | We have that time of the year where the sun simply never sets |
| 23:34.50 | ImpyDroid | We are of course in love with it |
| 23:34.55 | ImpyDroid | Unless we are trying to sleep |
| 23:35.38 | Wormy_ | When I went to Scotland in midsummer, it was just about far north enough for there to be twilight |
| 23:35.45 | Wormy_ | All night |
| 23:35.58 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
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| 23:36.37 | DrodoEmpire | There's a beautiful teal sky out right now |
| 23:36.46 | Wormy_ | http://www.lindevej.dk/blog/blogimg/webHPIM0092.jpg |
