| 00:05.01 | The_Randomness | yes |
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| 00:31.10 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:32.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hello! |
| 00:38.37 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 01:17.04 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:25.12 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCiuMomjVx0 |
| 01:31.50 | Wormy_ | Eh, it doesn't really debunk the Ship of Theseus paradox applied to the human body. Just makes it more complicated, i.e. some cells live longer than others. However, the ship of Theseus paradox also applies to the human cells, for many of them too require constant replenishment of certain sugars and other biomolecules. |
| 01:33.57 | Wormy_ | But with cells, I suppose some proteins and fats change while other types of molecule like DNA do not |
| 01:36.16 | The_Randomness | right, but I'm personally of the opinion that the Ship of Theseus thing is not very useful to think about |
| 01:37.42 | The_Randomness | It's difficult to put into words what I think about it |
| 01:41.12 | Wormy_ | Well, the important thing to take away from it in my opinion, is that our identity isn't a binary thing. Its spread out over time due to biological processes like metabolism and cell renewal, and built up of information stored in our genes. |
| 01:41.41 | The_Randomness | Well, it isn't a static thing, like, for example, my personality and opinions and such have very clearly changed over time |
| 01:42.02 | The_Randomness | But people still consider me to be, well, me. |
| 01:42.09 | Wormy_ | I'd argue because that, I'm still the same person I was 7 years ago, although not exactly the same person. On the emergent scale of things, none of that inner complexity changes much facts about my identity or self, or awareness of self |
| 01:42.39 | The_Randomness | I also dislike the Ship of Theseus paradox because it seems to imply some sort of Platonic version of an object or person |
| 01:42.58 | Wormy_ | But maybe in 50 years if I am still alive, I will have changed enough for me to recognise |
| 01:43.47 | Wormy_ | I don't think there are platonic forms, but there are abstractions. |
| 01:44.07 | The_Randomness | yeah, I don't think so either, and could you expand a bit on what you mean by that? |
| 01:46.06 | Wormy_ | Well Douglas Hofstadter considered a computer made out of toppling dominoes |
| 01:47.43 | Wormy_ | It is presented with the input of 641, which is a prime number |
| 01:48.46 | Wormy_ | Once set in motion, the last domino not to fall will be the 641'st dominoi (I'm not including the explaination, why involving loops, too late for that) |
| 01:49.47 | Wormy_ | However, the only explanation is simply that it is because 641 is a prime, and not due the lower level explanation |
| 01:52.58 | Wormy_ | Its taken me a long time to accept that abstractions and emergent physical laws exist, but it can be understood under a reductionist framework |
| 01:53.19 | The_Randomness | I don't quite get what you're saying with the example you provided |
| 01:53.37 | Wormy_ | Could you explain which bit? |
| 01:54.00 | The_Randomness | "However, the only explanation is simply that it is because 641 is a prime, and not due the lower level explanation" |
| 01:55.17 | Wormy_ | Right well, trying to understand the final state of the domino computer from the motions of all the atoms in the dominoes will not yield the explanation. |
| 01:55.37 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 01:56.03 | Wormy_ | Not only is it unpredictable, but also doesn't include any notion of primality. Or indeed loops or switches, which the computer is made from |
| 01:56.30 | Wormy_ | Though it doesn't matter whether its dominoes or something else emulating that program |
| 01:58.13 | Wormy_ | Though that's not to say lower level physics is irrelevant. |
| 01:58.17 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 01:58.39 | The_Randomness | Ok, now I see why you used it as an example of abstraction, although it wasn't clear at first to me |
| 02:00.38 | Wormy_ | I suppose the physical world is like a window on abstractions. Computers imperfectly instantiate Turing machines. And sometimes abstractions are like "perfect" models of physical phenomena. But its better to think of them as not seperate, and only relevant to processes of channge |
| 02:00.56 | Wormy_ | Unlike Plato's ideal forms which are changeless and non-physical |
| 02:01.02 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 02:05.45 | Wormy_ | I So I guess its like saying, at a high level of explanation, we can conjecture that ships exist and have certain simplified properties that ignore complex details. |
| 02:06.42 | The_Randomness | Ok |
| 02:10.12 | Wormy_ | That seems rather pedantic, but it is contrast to the strongest forms of reductionism |
| 02:14.18 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 02:14.46 | Wormy_ | And I just had a thought that might solve something has bothered me before |
| 02:14.59 | Wormy_ | Not really sure how to express it |
| 02:17.28 | Wormy_ | You can construct a phase space or evolutionary landscape of all possible processes, whether that be a landscape of evolutionary fitness, or possible identities that must be enormous, or a phase space of molecular species taken up by organic molecules (which is tremendous, oyr universe hasn't created all possible cominations and never will) |
| 02:18.13 | Wormy_ | But that all sounds rather platonic, and its like saying "everything exists" whether or not its physically there |
| 02:19.20 | Wormy_ | But lets consider the ship of theseus |
| 02:19.50 | Wormy_ | We've found we can describe it multiple ways, but not the whole entity at any particular level |
| 02:29.08 | The_Randomness | Ok |
| 02:30.06 | Wormy_ | That, I might be wrong, could be used to argue that you can't extract a platonic form out of it |
| 02:35.47 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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| 10:48.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 10:49.41 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:46.50 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:52.04 | Wormy_ | hi and hello |
| 11:52.29 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:53.36 | Monet | Saw Warcraft last night |
| 11:54.49 | Hachiman | Was it good? |
| 11:55.03 | Monet | If you're a fan of the franchise, yes |
| 11:55.22 | Monet | Its got one or two deviations from history but I wasn't too bothered |
| 11:55.31 | Hachiman | Okay, question; if I went into the Warcraft movie with no knowledge or experience with the game franchise, would I understand what is going on? |
| 11:57.21 | Hachiman | And would it be able to stand on its own as a movie without relying on the games? |
| 12:02.18 | Monet | I went with a friend who knew nothing about Warcraft and she liked it |
| 12:02.36 | Monet | So I'd say yes |
| 12:03.16 | Monet | The only big question I can see you might encounter is "What is so special about The Guardian" |
| 12:06.17 | Hachiman | Fair enough |
| 12:07.04 | Wormy_ | This gives me hope the Assassin's Creed movie won't be totally bad. |
| 12:10.52 | Monet | Chris Metzen was executive producer so I think that helped |
| 12:11.49 | Wormy_ | Hm, I just had an awesome idea, but I doubt it could really work |
| 12:12.12 | Monet | Shoot |
| 12:12.44 | Wormy_ | Games are becoming more and more lifelike. Studies on heavy gamers show that their brains respond and learn much like people with real careers, even for things like flying aircraft |
| 12:13.13 | Wormy_ | Plus one day soon immersive virtual reality will become commercially viable |
| 12:14.13 | Wormy_ | Of course the physics of games don't always the realism of reality, but what if immersive games end up training a breed of super athletic gamers that can enact some of it in the real world? |
| 12:15.20 | Wormy_ | By immersive VR I mean sight, sound, touch, motion, possibly taste and smell |
| 12:15.30 | Monet | That's one of the things I'm investigating in my dissertation |
| 12:17.27 | Wormy_ | Exciting, I would like to hear what you find |
| 12:19.13 | Monet | I have a PDF of my propsoal |
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| 12:23.04 | Wormy_ | Maybe the gaming industry is being supported by governments in order to create a breed of superhuman soldiers |
| 12:24.11 | Monet | I wonder if what made Warcraft good was supervision from Blizzard |
| 12:24.17 | Monet | We've seen their trailers after all |
| 12:24.29 | Wormy_ | Though since they would spend most of the waking hours in cyberspace, they might not be very active in the real world or very compliant on enlisting. |
| 12:25.07 | Imperios | Rawr we're talking about warcraft |
| 12:25.08 | Imperios | ^^ |
| 12:25.25 | Imperios | Should I activate my fanboy mode or not |
| 12:25.34 | Wormy_ | Activate |
| 12:25.48 | Hachiman | Apparently the Warcraft movie is good even if you have no prior knowledge or experience with it |
| 12:25.49 | Wormy_ | This is place for fanonising. |
| 12:26.00 | Hachiman | I might have to go see it myself |
| 12:27.25 | Imperios | Alright |
| 12:27.26 | Imperios | Be prepared |
| 12:27.31 | Imperios | FUCKING BEST MOVIE EVER REEEEEEEE |
| 12:27.33 | Imperios | DUROTAN BEST |
| 12:27.39 | Imperios | GUL'DAN LOOKS AWESOME AS FUCK |
| 12:27.39 | Imperios | AAAAH |
| 12:27.45 | Imperios | ORC MODELS BEST |
| 12:27.48 | Imperios | MURLOCS |
| 12:27.51 | Imperios | MURLOCS WERE THERE |
| 12:28.02 | Imperios | THEY EVEN USED SNIPPETS OF THE STORMWIND THEME |
| 12:28.06 | Imperios | STORMWIND LOOKS CANON AS FUCK |
| 12:28.15 | Imperios | MEDIVH'S ACTOR IS BEST |
| 12:28.22 | Imperios | DUROTAN SCENE BEST |
| 12:28.26 | Imperios | REEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 12:28.37 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/q7lNn |
| 12:28.39 | Imperios | ACTION ACTON ACTION |
| 12:28.46 | Imperios | BEST FUCKING ACTION EVER |
| 12:29.02 | Imperios | ALL THE WARLORDS WERE THERE |
| 12:29.08 | Imperios | EVEN VARIAN WAS THERE |
| 12:29.16 | Imperios | ...There we go |
| 12:29.54 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/uSqV5vg |
| 12:29.59 | Imperios | Now, the movie was highly atmospheric and actually did a fairly good job at introducing a universe, not to mention the CGI and action |
| 12:30.13 | Wormy_ | I may watch this film. |
| 12:30.14 | Imperios | But at the same time I oppose the clunky storytelling |
| 12:30.46 | Imperios | Although I like that they avoided too much exposition, it feels very dynamic but to those who do not know the universe may also feel confusing |
| 12:30.53 | Imperios | As almost nothing is explained directly |
| 12:31.09 | Monet | I saw it with a couple of peopel who didn't know the lore |
| 12:31.29 | Imperios | So did I |
| 12:31.38 | Imperios | And I had to explain quite a few things to them |
| 12:32.30 | Imperios | Like the role of the Guardian for example |
| 12:32.34 | Monet | I thought the character motivations and behaviours were okay. |
| 12:32.48 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 12:33.30 | Wormy_ | How Turkish Coffee is made http://imgur.com/gallery/AtbNPRk |
| 12:38.25 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QSLbbkM |
| 12:41.33 | Wormy_ | that tiger and kid's reaction, I don't know what is better |
| 12:43.10 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: http://imgur.com/gallery/VI1Qo |
| 12:44.05 | Wormy_ | Monet: http://imgur.com/gallery/uhNpD |
| 12:44.25 | Wormy_ | love how the heart still beats at the end |
| 12:52.49 | Wormy_ | I think its more like the golfers trespassed on his habitat. http://imgur.com/gallery/KiWTio2 |
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| 13:16.32 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 13:17.47 | Monet | hi |
| 13:21.38 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/Q2pUxBB.png |
| 13:27.21 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/tfbGD2z.png |
| 13:29.20 | Wormy_ | I'm going to hell http://i.imgur.com/nDmSyoo.png |
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| 13:47.38 | Tek0516 | https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8 CGP Grey and Kurzegat did a collaboration video |
| 13:57.35 | Tek0516 | *Kurzgesagt ...I can see why they changed the name. :P |
| 14:09.24 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 14:16.51 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:187183 revival |
| 14:20.49 | Tek0516 | F***ing Wikia. They made it so I can't zoom out or scroll sideways, so I can't even see half the screen |
| 14:32.29 | Wormy_ | When I saw that I knew it was Bear https://twitter.com/BearGrylls/status/737282505250766852 |
| 14:46.21 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/gMHpZ |
| 14:52.11 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1464704879-20160531.png |
| 14:55.23 | Tek0516 | >.< I'd managed to get into an argument about what a vertical line. |
| 14:55.29 | Wormy_ | lol |
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| 15:00.17 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_ are you there? |
| 15:00.40 | Wormy_ | Yes, hi |
| 15:00.52 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: there were two 45° lines (perpendicular to each other) and the guy keeps trying to tell me one is vertical and the other is horizontal. >.< |
| 15:00.53 | AdmiralPanda | this is a bit out of left field, but how are classes of stars classified? |
| 15:01.32 | Tek0516 | It's usually based on the spectral type, isn't it? |
| 15:01.58 | Wormy_ | Yes, different stars have different chemical abundances which have absorbtion lines for certain spectra |
| 15:03.21 | Wormy_ | Although stars of different temperatures have different abundances for a certain type of ion |
| 15:03.46 | Wormy_ | in the photosphere |
| 15:04.13 | Monet | http://www.handprint.com/ASTRO/IMG/HRmetrics.jpg this might help |
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| 15:05.59 | Tek0516 | I guess since spectra is the only thing we can reliably measure from earth (excluding red/blueshift) |
| 15:13.51 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.48 | Wormy_ | I'm sad there are no green and pink stars. |
| 15:19.06 | Wormy_ | the universe is lacking something |
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| 15:22.30 | AdmiralPanda | much obliged |
| 15:43.07 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: I think there are green stars but something about our eyes makes them white? |
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| 15:45.53 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 15:45.55 | Wormy_ | I've read that before, that stars come in all colours but we lack the sensitivity. However this one I'm reading states that stars follow the Planck Body Curve and only deviate a little due to their chemical abundances. |
| 15:46.19 | Wormy_ | That curve isn't like the rainbow |
| 15:47.03 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:47.09 | Wormy_ | However, what it means is that there could be a few stars that are violet, indigo or green that have unusual chemistry |
| 15:47.43 | Wormy_ | So there are greenish-yellow stars, but only so slightly |
| 15:48.42 | Wormy_ | Hm, I also read that it is possible to see stars in all colours due to optical illusions. Especially binaries, which can appear green or pink even. An exception is Beta Pictoris, which is a single star that some people see as green. |
| 15:49.55 | Wormy_ | Most stars follow that black line https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/PlanckianLocus.png |
| 15:50.16 | Wormy_ | And are close to black bodies |
| 15:50.32 | Wormy_ | *to a black body |
| 15:53.00 | Imperios | Wormy_: I wonder, how hard it is to see, say, Andromeda on the night sky? |
| 15:53.45 | Wormy_ | I think its visible to the naked eye, but requires a clear night and an accustomed eye (to darkness). |
| 15:54.33 | Wormy_ | It appears as a star, apparently |
| 15:55.32 | Wormy_ | I've not done any proper stargazing as a hobby in years, so I wouldn't know how to find it |
| 15:57.45 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/943/582/79a.png |
| 15:58.21 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 15:59.38 | Wormy_ | Do bronies ever watch the old MLP cartoons? |
| 16:00.07 | Hachi_Away | No because those horses do not look or act fuckable to them :p |
| 16:00.41 | Wormy_ | I remember one I watched *when I was little* about an ince cream war, with tanks, planes and other military vehicles shooting icecream at each other. I think it also had human characters. |
| 16:02.43 | Cyrannian | Hm, trying to think of a way to include Zare'Anne and Adelheidis into a Cold War story, anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:03.21 | Monet | Might have osmething later |
| 16:04.42 | Monet | buy busy rigth now |
| 16:20.49 | Imperios | Hachiman: Rot in hell plz |
| 16:20.57 | Imperios | Wormy_: I think they do |
| 16:21.02 | Imperios | Well |
| 16:21.10 | Imperios | G1 I believe is watched by some |
| 16:21.13 | Imperios | The rest, not so much |
| 16:21.21 | Imperios | G1 was actually more adventure-themed and unisex |
| 16:21.55 | Imperios | MLP was supposed to be for both sexes in its early versions, rather than for girls specifically |
| 16:22.27 | Imperios | And actually |
| 16:22.40 | Imperios | I wonder why it became girl-only |
| 16:22.47 | Imperios | Like boys like horses too |
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| 16:23.55 | Imperios | I mean if you think about it, the more realistic G1 ponies could be used as steeds for action figures |
| 16:24.10 | Imperios | Hi Xho |
| 16:24.17 | Imperios | Boys would have liked them too |
| 16:24.20 | Imperios | I mean look at Mongols |
| 16:24.27 | Imperios | Mongol horses were essentially ponies |
| 16:24.41 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 16:24.44 | Imperios | Alexander the Great's horse was also pony-sized |
| 16:25.02 | Imperios | So there is nothing girly in the pony in itself |
| 16:28.34 | Monet | I'm not sure when or how ponies became a girl thing |
| 16:28.46 | Xho | cuz horsies |
| 16:28.48 | Xho | neigh |
| 16:29.41 | Xho | On the bright side, my delivery from Japan is now in the UK |
| 16:29.51 | Wormy_ | If the horses are being ridden by He-Man, its a cartoon designed for boys |
| 16:30.12 | Wormy_ | If its childlike ponies that fly themselves with pastel colours, its being aimed at girls |
| 16:31.18 | Wormy_ | Maybe the original conception gave more freedom to market to girls, who knows |
| 16:31.44 | Wormy_ | The G1 and G2 ponies seem to be stronger colours |
| 16:32.24 | Hachiman | Ponies are aimed at girls to teach them to like taking big horse cock later in life |
| 16:32.31 | Hachiman | Subliminally, of course |
| 16:32.39 | Hachiman | And / or subconsciously |
| 16:32.53 | Monet | But... |
| 16:33.03 | Monet | All of the main ponies are girls. |
| 16:33.11 | Xho | Mahanayan - RESISTANCE |
| 16:35.05 | Monet | Well I tried that aircraft carrier mission again |
| 16:35.11 | Monet | No one could fly a jet! |
| 16:37.21 | Xho | GTA V? |
| 16:37.42 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs_mTRjLAU |
| 16:38.00 | Cyrannian | I played that once, I became lost on the air craft carrier while the other guys stole the jets |
| 16:39.04 | Ghelae | Wormy_, Tek0516: I'm an hour late to the discussion, but yes: stars are rather hot, so excluding the minor contribution due to atomic emission spectra, they're essentially black-body radiators. Our sun peaks in the green part of the spectrum, but we see it as white because it emits so much of all the other colours too. |
| 16:39.18 | Ghelae | Blue stars are blue and red stars are red because we can't see in UV and IR respectively. |
| 16:40.02 | Monet | Xho: Yes |
| 16:40.37 | Monet | One girl appeared unaware the jet we were stealing could switrch from VTOL to flight mode |
| 16:40.55 | Monet | And flew up until some jet caught up and shot her down |
| 16:44.24 | Monet | Others I'm not so sure. I thikn one or two just fly their jets into the sea. |
| 16:45.06 | Monet | Everyone wants to do Pacific Standard as far as I can see |
| 16:45.25 | Monet | Those jobs always fill out fast. |
| 16:48.26 | Wormy_ | Xho, Monet, Imperios, Cyrannian http://tinyurl.com/ava3s |
| 16:51.12 | Wormy_ | eh this carrot is better http://tinyurl.com/hgkjvl7 |
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| 16:52.51 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 16:54.38 | Technobliterator | hi random |
| 16:57.30 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://www.cracked.com/feature/x-things-we-learned-talking-to-men-fighting-isis/ Article about the Peshmerga |
| 16:57.41 | Imperios | kurdistan stronk |
| 17:01.18 | Cyrannian | Hi Random |
| 17:02.46 | AdmiralPanda | so I bought Stellaris |
| 17:02.48 | AdmiralPanda | holy fuck that game |
| 17:02.49 | The_Randomness | I saw |
| 17:03.02 | The_Randomness | What do you think of it so far? |
| 17:03.18 | AdmiralPanda | I don't like how technology is handled, but everything else I like |
| 17:03.24 | The_Randomness | ok |
| 17:04.02 | Hachiman | I find Stellaris a little difficult |
| 17:04.08 | Hachiman | But I like it |
| 17:06.17 | AdmiralPanda | the thing that threw me a curveball the first time around was getting my head around how to actually go about building a solid research foundation, combined with the fact that there's no tech tree |
| 17:06.40 | AdmiralPanda | this time I'm playing pure social and doing quite well, which saddens me because I quite like going the tech route |
| 17:09.38 | Xho | "Tbilisi: Vegan Cafe in Georgian Capital Attacked by Group Wielding Grilled Meat and Sausages" |
| 17:10.01 | Hachiman | Xho: Now we know why Franku's got blood on his shirt |
| 17:11.51 | Hachiman | Holy shit that Veggie Cunt |
| 17:12.24 | Xho | indeed |
| 17:12.34 | Xho | I laughed out loud at that part |
| 17:13.06 | Monet | We should set up a Stelalris multiplayer sometime |
| 17:13.36 | Hachiman | I'd get my ass kicked hur |
| 17:14.18 | Monet | We can be gentlre |
| 17:14.23 | Monet | gentle* |
| 17:16.34 | AdmiralPanda | yeah, I'll mostly just hide in a corner and tech |
| 17:16.38 | AdmiralPanda | like I always do |
| 17:18.21 | Monet | Oh we're adding NPCs |
| 17:18.31 | Monet | This game isn't fun when you have less than 8 factions |
| 17:20.28 | AdmiralPanda | naturally |
| 17:21.00 | AdmiralPanda | but that ain't gonna stop me embracing my inner turtle :P |
| 17:21.11 | AdmiralPanda | brb |
| 17:25.52 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (65b18fa9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.177.143.169) |
| 17:26.12 | AdmiralPanda | and I'm back |
| 17:26.16 | Hachiman | Welcome back |
| 17:29.00 | AdmiralPanda | so yeah, Stellaris in general had a bit of a steep learning curve, like I got massively fucked in my first game and I had no idea why until I had a look at some third party guides, despite there being an in-game tutorial |
| 17:33.10 | The_Randomness | right |
| 17:34.58 | Monet | Mentioned earlier but wondered about reviving this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:187183#9 |
| 17:36.14 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 17:36.57 | AdmiralPanda | if you really want to die, take a shot whenever someone dies in unnecessary detail in anything I write :P |
| 17:37.04 | AdmiralPanda | not that I write much, but still |
| 17:37.08 | Imperios | Okay so my sister asked an... interesting question |
| 17:37.16 | Imperios | "Why do ponies need money if they're all friends" |
| 17:38.03 | Hachiman | Because capitalism and the significance of material value |
| 17:38.50 | Monet | Rarity couldn't be a rich aristocrat wannabe if she worked out of friendgship favours. |
| 17:38.54 | Hachiman | >Take two shots whenever Hachi trips |
| 17:39.03 | Hachiman | Very quick and easy way to get pissed right there |
| 17:39.08 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 17:47.12 | Monet | Sporewiki is fun drinking game material |
| 17:49.24 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.17 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36416970 |
| 17:59.38 | Monet | Hachiman: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/263837612173047409/EDA955BE1BE77BAE656C3EC342C990A094B7B13F/ found this on someone's car. |
| 18:00.03 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 18:00.13 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13343039_1075053115899129_5383811691205653028_n.jpg?oh=2c804b8a7401d49a115adbe46f223495&oe=57D7FE74 Imperios |
| 18:01.05 | Imperios | Well |
| 18:01.58 | Hachiman | Xho: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13315610_1625950727452291_2445776500610162472_n.jpg?oh=a079ee4b2d9308f6228d1c579f624bc7&oe=57DF8E73 Holy shit |
| 18:02.06 | Imperios | Hachiman: I've seen people reason that, in the Western world at least, "whiteness" is seen as exclusive, rather than inclusive, hence its racist connotations |
| 18:02.08 | Xho | I saw that |
| 18:02.10 | Xho | twas savage |
| 18:02.33 | Imperios | Essentially, whiteness is the lack of impurities left by other races, rather than just having European heritage |
| 18:02.44 | Imperios | Barack Obama, for example, is black |
| 18:03.54 | Imperios | Now I have reasons not to agree, because many racial and ethnic communities are by definition exclusive, but this is a valid point |
| 18:04.19 | Imperios | But that I believe depends on where you were born |
| 18:04.39 | Imperios | Viewed through Americanocentrist lens, I believe, white pride can be interpeted as racist |
| 18:04.52 | Imperios | Because one drop and all that |
| 18:04.56 | Monet | White Pride puts more focus on attacking non-whites. |
| 18:05.33 | Imperios | Also that |
| 18:05.51 | Imperios | "White pride" wouldn't be racist, if one lived in a mostly non-white community |
| 18:06.14 | Imperios | Like Afrikaners I believe have a right to maintain their community and culture so as not to be subsumed by black South Africans |
| 18:06.20 | Imperios | Even though apartheid and all that |
| 18:10.46 | AdmiralPanda | the real problem is that it implies that a white person being proud of their race is automatically racist, even if they're proud of it for the same reason a black or asian man is |
| 18:11.35 | Imperios | True that |
| 18:11.36 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:11.47 | Hachiman | Also, I still wanna run / play Numenera at some point |
| 18:12.01 | AdmiralPanda | if you want to run it I want to play it :P |
| 18:12.47 | AdmiralPanda | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urGJ82UUex0 unrelated, but glorious |
| 18:13.23 | Hachiman | alroight luv, cahm down |
| 18:13.36 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: I think - or rather other people think and I am not sure about it - it's about definition |
| 18:13.57 | Cyrannian | Any person being proud of something they have zero control over is bleh |
| 18:14.08 | Imperios | That's my opinion |
| 18:14.22 | Imperios | But the SJW PoV is kind of interesting |
| 18:14.36 | Imperios | Like, would people believing in "black pride" and 'white pride' identify as white or black? Most likely, the latter |
| 18:15.10 | Imperios | Thus black is ultimately defined, in the West at least, as "having any significant amount of sub-Saharan African heritage", whereas white is defined as "having no non-European heritage" |
| 18:16.36 | Imperios | I am not sure if that's logical but... eh... |
| 18:16.39 | Imperios | What do you think? |
| 18:17.30 | The_Randomness | I think what you're saying is absurd, white pride is an inherently racist phenomenon that places oneself over others simply due to ethnicity |
| 18:17.51 | The_Randomness | or skin color |
| 18:18.28 | Imperios | the question is about black pride and Asian pride |
| 18:18.30 | Cyrannian | About that picture of the different forms of pride, notice how "black supremacy" isn't highlighted, while the wikipedia page on Asian pride includes a paragraph about how it is used by different gangs, but that's cropped out |
| 18:19.04 | Imperios | The reasons, if there be any, that white pride is more racist than black pride or Asian pride |
| 18:20.33 | The_Randomness | Generally it's directly linked to white supremacy, which, well, doesn't need any further explanation |
| 18:20.37 | Hachiman | I kind of regret bringing this pic up |
| 18:21.46 | The_Randomness | I wasn't aware of (ethnicity) pride before this, but I don't have anything to say about those since I don't know anything about them |
| 18:21.59 | Imperios | No don't, it is an interesting topic |
| 18:23.57 | Imperios | Speaking of which, I should probably reaffirm my racial pride in the most Asian way possible |
| 18:24.00 | Imperios | By studying |
| 18:24.11 | Monet | Being proud of what you're born with is a form of tribalism really. |
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| 18:25.20 | Courseworkios | Monet: But we're tribal animals |
| 18:25.51 | Courseworkios | We're still apes in our heart, meaning to protect and empower one's genotype and tribe |
| 18:25.52 | Wormy_ | I suppose these sorts of discussions often lose social and historical context. A lot of pride movements from oppressed minorities in society are about empowerment. Which I'm totally fine with. But there is of course supremacists as well, and the line will always be blurred. But you see, White Pride is different both in stance and context, what could it possibly be otherwise? |
| 18:26.40 | Wormy_ | When the majority often has more advantages |
| 18:27.05 | Courseworkios | Which brings us another question |
| 18:27.08 | Courseworkios | *to |
| 18:27.55 | Courseworkios | Would it be acceptable, for example, for a white community living in a non-white culture - say, Europeans in China or the white Afrikaners - to affirm their white pride? |
| 18:28.11 | Xho | I hate to say it but I think humans are far more simple than they think they are |
| 18:28.12 | Cyrannian | aye, I would imagine that Black and Asian pride both emerged in the America in response to institutionalised racism (and in society in general), while White people have no comparable history to justify seeking empowerment |
| 18:28.17 | Cyrannian | *in response to Wormy |
| 18:28.54 | Wormy_ | However, there are far too many who consider Western ideals and liking Western way of life as "white privilidge" or colonialism, which I don't really get |
| 18:29.44 | The_Randomness | yeah, that's pretty silly |
| 18:29.44 | Wormy_ | Courseworkios: I think because its contextual, its more acceptable in some countries that others |
| 18:30.10 | Wormy_ | White people do get targetted sometimes in China and so on |
| 18:30.50 | Wormy_ | However, in South Africa, well I don't think it is because white people are still far more privilidged and you have the history of Apartheid |
| 18:31.09 | Monet | I thikn xho might have a point |
| 18:31.31 | Monet | To scoff at tribal attitudes is kind of arrogent, as it could be a form of tribalism as well |
| 18:31.54 | Hachiman | Speaking of tribalism |
| 18:31.59 | Courseworkios | Cyranian: Perhaps yeah |
| 18:32.28 | Hachiman | Courseworkios: One character concept I had in mind for the Fantasyverse was a snow dwarf druid / outcast of some kind who is also a werewolf |
| 18:32.36 | Hachiman | Or has the ability to assume a wolflike form |
| 18:33.57 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: Want to hear about that campaign idea of mine after I go eat lunch? |
| 18:34.04 | AdmiralPanda | sure |
| 18:34.13 | Hachiman | Random running a campaign? *gasp* |
| 18:34.24 | The_Randomness | I somehow came up with it at like 1 in the morning when I was in bed lol |
| 18:34.31 | AdmiralPanda | best time for ideas tbh |
| 18:34.38 | Wormy_ | Courseworkios: Its probably the same within races too. Someone showing their Japanese Pride won't go down well in China or Hong Kong |
| 18:34.39 | AdmiralPanda | right after watching corny Hugh Jackman movies |
| 18:34.55 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: So, every Hugh Jackman movie? |
| 18:35.01 | AdmiralPanda | EXACTLY |
| 18:35.03 | Cyrannian | https://www.facebook.com/Nerdist/videos/1253478281336644/ - I ship it |
| 18:35.34 | AdmiralPanda | btw my last word on the race issue: my problem isn't that the phrase "white pride" is automatically racist, it's that it has the connotation that it's unacceptable for a white person to be happy being white |
| 18:35.56 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: The offspring of Tormund Giantsbane and Brienne of Tarth would be horrifyingly tough |
| 18:36.11 | Courseworkios | Hachiman: Woof, good idea |
| 18:36.24 | Courseworkios | Woorf |
| 18:36.40 | Courseworkios | Maybe he is like a Slayer or something |
| 18:36.48 | Hachiman | Perhaps |
| 18:36.50 | Courseworkios | Wormy_: Yes, you'll probably get smacked in the face |
| 18:37.23 | Hachiman | I imagine that the snow dwarves are far less unified than the Khargrim |
| 18:37.25 | Courseworkios | Arabs are also despised in countries like Iran because they too were once oppressors there |
| 18:37.49 | Hachiman | And are divided between various kingdoms with a council of lords and kings while the Khargrim are ruled under one king |
| 18:38.13 | Wormy_ | AdmiralPanda: Yeah I don't accept that shame and sin some people want us to feel. |
| 18:38.28 | Wormy_ | or me anyway |
| 18:38.50 | Monet | Cyrannian: Didn't know you played GTA post Heists release |
| 18:38.58 | Hachiman | The_Randomness: Isn't it a 5E campaign? |
| 18:39.05 | The_Randomness | haven't decided yet |
| 18:39.10 | Hachiman | rite |
| 18:39.13 | The_Randomness | Just came up with the premise for it |
| 18:39.19 | Hachiman | Can I join whenever you make a decision? ;-; |
| 18:39.19 | The_Randomness | But I would not be opposed to that |
| 18:39.21 | The_Randomness | anyway, brb |
| 18:39.23 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 18:39.26 | Hachiman | yey <3 |
| 18:39.33 | Cyrannian | Monet: Aye, I've been playing it quite a bit since Christmas, I got the enhanced version for the Xbox One |
| 18:39.56 | Monet | Right |
| 18:40.18 | Wormy_ | However, I don't feel threatened by minorities seeking empowerment so long as its not hateful |
| 18:40.23 | Monet | I play PC but infortunately ROckstar divides its console and PC players |
| 18:40.47 | Wormy_ | But if I see a white pride movement, they obviously feel threatened and that calls into question why. And often its racism |
| 18:41.17 | Cyrannian | Aye it would have been good to meet up in it |
| 18:41.25 | Cyrannian | I doubt my computer would be able to run GTA V |
| 18:42.10 | Monet | Wormy_: Shrugging them off as ignorant or bigoted might just add to the problem. |
| 18:42.23 | Xho | Cyrannian: GTA V can be run at low res |
| 18:42.44 | Xho | Its graphics system optimises itself for the desktop its on |
| 18:43.06 | Wormy_ | Well it may miss their true motivations, and if they feel isolated by society they are more likely to get protest or riot |
| 18:43.58 | Monet | People ignoring them or shaming them would just make them feel they're right. |
| 18:44.00 | Cyrannian | Interesting, I would like to see what the mods are like |
| 18:44.27 | Monet | Cyrannian: ALways check minimum specs just in case. |
| 18:45.19 | Cyrannian | I would imagine it would be fine, but I already have it on two platforms so unless there was a major sale, I probably won't bother |
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| 18:48.05 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.15 | Wormy__ | bbl dinner |
| 18:54.00 | Monet | Cyrannian: We'll see during the summer sale |
| 18:55.01 | Cyrannian | I'll add it to my wishlist |
| 18:55.24 | Cyrannian | brb |
| 19:03.54 | Xho | Tormenting my sister with Donkey Kong pictures |
| 19:03.56 | Xho | is hilarious |
| 19:08.38 | The_Randomness | ok, done stuffing my face |
| 19:09.25 | Xho | So I'm looking at ads about bands in the area |
| 19:09.40 | Xho | Looking to form a progressive rock band >Influences: Raidohead |
| 19:09.43 | Xho | this kills the xho |
| 19:10.11 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda Hachiman: Should we go anywhere special to discuss the thing? |
| 19:28.08 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13320006_1013501948698601_7032273556280263548_n.jpg?oh=4600230187582e39b9c14d088d77c6e8&oe=57CB550B |
| 19:31.40 | Monet | Well...they made a difference |
| 19:32.07 | The_Randomness | oh dear |
| 19:33.05 | Hachiman | http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1464647288274.jpg |
| 19:35.16 | Hachiman | http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1464652232258.jpg "Neutral Evil Druid.jpg" |
| 19:36.05 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 19:39.47 | Courseworkios | What is the rationale behind druids being neutral anyway? |
| 19:39.57 | Courseworkios | Are they meant to represent the balance of nature or something |
| 19:41.59 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 19:42.05 | Hachiman | That is precisely it |
| 19:50.37 | Hachiman | Xho: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13336009_1172316342842946_5409719482154279771_n.jpg?oh=14267448a9ee6d262ffc03d0cf5eca48&oe=57E099F2 |
| 19:50.47 | Xho | y u |
| 19:50.56 | Hachiman | he sipp well |
| 19:51.10 | Hachiman | "Drink responsibly, pupper" |
| 19:52.49 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13321820_1396703107147549_7514895703150284480_n.jpg?oh=0826a52ca5b33e7a1ad5c0d3b68917ef&oe=57C986A1 |
| 19:56.59 | Monet | ""this fish died to prove my point" |
| 19:57.16 | Hachiman | Not unusual of PETA |
| 19:59.06 | Monet | Fair do's |
| 20:01.47 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/263837612173478733/4BC7714B72E190C441B97A4C05B2578F6C2A7D8D/ got a nre outfit recently (guy left) |
| 20:02.17 | Monet | new outfit* |
| 20:03.07 | Hachiman | I prefer the Asian's one personally |
| 20:03.15 | Hachiman | Looks like he came straight out of Tekken |
| 20:04.52 | Courseworkios | Hachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/16413165/14646947036832.webm |
| 20:05.19 | Hachiman | Jesus what |
| 20:07.48 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (2f37c5db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.55.197.219) |
| 20:07.53 | Courseworkios | Wormy__: https://2ch.hk/po/src/16413165/14647081802380.webm Finally found good English footage of Russian Trump |
| 20:08.24 | Hachiman | BUILD A WALL AROUND TURKEY |
| 20:08.34 | Hachiman | BOMB AMERICA |
| 20:10.08 | Monet | Hachiman: Okay yeah his duit does look kind of cool |
| 20:10.28 | Wormy__ | Lol at the guy closing his eyes |
| 20:11.30 | Monet | Hachiman: THe one with the La Chien t-shirt looks ready to murder to me. |
| 20:11.49 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:13.52 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.87) |
| 20:14.07 | Monet | I've got a bunch of photos of fun crew outfits |
| 20:21.40 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/263837612173539547/FAA67B0AC4BB8AB60A627968F4848BCD002C68B2/ like these two trechcoats |
| 20:22.41 | Cyrannian | dat hair doe |
| 20:26.11 | Monet | I've seen worse |
| 20:28.32 | Monet | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=492368044 like this one |
| 20:33.35 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 20:35.54 | Xho | https://twitter.com/PsychedelicCrab/status/737742368355540993 My cat, everybody |
| 20:37.48 | Wormy__ | looks like a mog not to be trifled with |
| 20:38.26 | Wormy__ | oh god now its set off my dogs |
| 20:40.06 | Xho | I showed that video back to my cat, she started meowing in unison with it |
| 20:40.09 | Xho | bloody nutcase |
| 20:41.25 | Imperios | Monet Xho Hachiman Wormy__: What period in British history does the 14th century belong to |
| 20:41.35 | Xho | Hell I dunno |
| 20:41.36 | Imperios | IT's earlier than Elizabethian, right |
| 20:41.56 | Monet | Yeah |
| 20:42.02 | Monet | Late middle ages I think |
| 20:42.38 | Wormy__ | It was the time of William Wallace |
| 20:42.56 | Imperios | Wait I found it |
| 20:42.57 | Imperios | Plantagenet |
| 20:42.59 | Imperios | That'll go |
| 20:43.01 | Imperios | do |
| 20:43.09 | Monet | Oh yeah... |
| 20:43.27 | Hachiman | It may just be my inexperience with cats, but your one's eyes are rather strange to me |
| 20:44.20 | Wormy__ | 17 years though, old age has that effect |
| 20:44.32 | Imperios | Xho: >coffee addict |
| 20:44.41 | Imperios | Dirty coffee peasants |
| 20:44.42 | Xho | Well not anymore |
| 20:44.45 | Xho | I should update that |
| 20:44.48 | Xho | I've gone off coffee |
| 20:44.55 | Imperios | Glorious tea master race plz |
| 20:45.04 | Xho | I am on tea now |
| 20:45.07 | Xho | Black tea that is |
| 20:45.22 | The_Randomness | be back in a bit, haircut |
| 20:45.31 | Imperios | C |
| 20:45.34 | Imperios | Master race now |
| 20:45.54 | Imperios | I on the other hand am slowly devolving into a coffee peasant |
| 20:46.02 | Imperios | I've come to like capuccino |
| 20:46.23 | Wormy__ | I like flavoured teas, such as Lapsang |
| 20:46.28 | Wormy__ | now |
| 20:47.33 | Imperios | I used to like red tea |
| 20:47.40 | Imperios | Red tea isn't actually tea, right? |
| 20:48.07 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-UmfqFjpl0 Already posted this but this still makes me laugh |
| 20:48.34 | Wormy__ | Depends |
| 20:50.20 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOmFBBq4T0 Prefer this version |
| 20:50.39 | Wormy__ | If its Red Bush Tea, it comes from a different plant |
| 20:50.49 | Wormy__ | franly I find that foul |
| 20:51.12 | Xho | Hachiman: That's enough internet for one day |
| 20:52.27 | Wormy__ | This is probably my favourite ta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oolong |
| 20:52.49 | Imperios | Hachiman: Wait |
| 20:52.55 | Imperios | FNAF/brony musician |
| 20:53.06 | Hachiman | Fuck off, I don't listen to them for that |
| 20:53.42 | Imperios | Wait why do you even consider this an offense |
| 20:53.55 | Xho | First 20 seconds of the original video is generally just my dog |
| 20:53.56 | Imperios | Is it a problem to listen to brony music |
| 20:53.57 | Hachiman | I thought you were gonna accuse me of hypocrisy or something hur |
| 20:54.21 | Imperios | Well it sort of is even if you do not watch it for being brony |
| 20:54.34 | Imperios | You still watch a musician that, had it not been for MLP, would never have attained popularity |
| 20:55.19 | Hachiman | I thought TLT got famous cus FN@F |
| 20:55.53 | Imperios | That contributed |
| 20:56.07 | Imperios | He first rose to prominence through MLP |
| 20:56.10 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 20:56.13 | Imperios | Then through FNAF |
| 20:56.27 | Hachiman | Fair enough, although I do not listen to any of their brony or FN@F stuff |
| 20:57.16 | Imperios | FN@F? |
| 20:57.19 | Imperios | Why the @? |
| 20:57.32 | Hachiman | At |
| 20:57.51 | Imperios | Oh |
| 20:57.51 | Xho | @@@@@@@@ |
| 20:57.58 | Hachiman | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 20:58.16 | Xho | also pls ask 4 permision b4 talkin about fnaf pls k thnx xxx |
| 20:58.54 | Hachiman | Yeah, Xho wants to play the games and not get spoiled |
| 20:59.09 | Xho | kicks Hachiman into the sun |
| 20:59.40 | Imperios | Guys |
| 20:59.51 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13346689_415108081992913_7690531340697919880_n.png?oh=8dc2ca33b30cd8447c612d186dbca466&oe=57DB5F56 |
| 21:00.02 | Imperios | None of you know the true magnitude of the suffering FNaF can bring |
| 21:00.14 | Hachiman | "Donald is either planning to get frisky or commit mass genocide" |
| 21:00.17 | Imperios | None of you have a friend who keeps talking about it and explains to you every single detail about it |
| 21:00.22 | Imperios | Either that or Undertale |
| 21:00.24 | Monet | Imperios: I played Alien Isolation |
| 21:00.27 | Hachiman | Undertale's a good game shup |
| 21:00.31 | Hachiman | Fandom is cancer |
| 21:00.36 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.50 | Wormy__ | bringing their misery with them |
| 21:00.52 | Hachiman | But it's an otherwise decent game; a good experience is what I would call it |
| 21:01.15 | Imperios | Didn't you also like FNaF lore |
| 21:01.24 | Monet | I don't need FNaF when I have a penis alien. :> |
| 21:01.38 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
| 21:01.39 | Hachiman | Oluap likes the lore, and I get my info from him |
| 21:01.56 | Wormy__ | Seriously what *was* that. |
| 21:02.09 | DrodoEmpire | That whole FNAF user thing? |
| 21:02.21 | Wormy__ | Monet's comment |
| 21:02.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 21:02.39 | Monet | Wormy__: penis alien = xenomorph |
| 21:02.41 | Imperios | Monet: The game is not the source of suffering |
| 21:02.44 | Imperios | The fans tho |
| 21:02.49 | Wormy__ | oh right, yes |
| 21:03.05 | Hachiman | Yeah, fans of Undertale are ech |
| 21:03.12 | Wormy__ | Its not healthy to have those things. |
| 21:03.14 | Hachiman | Fandoms ruin most things |
| 21:03.24 | DrodoEmpire | Bad fandoms seem to form around good games/series |
| 21:03.32 | DrodoEmpire | With a few exceptions |
| 21:03.44 | Hachiman | Which is why I feel ashamed to watch any anime anymore because it just makes me feel dirty because of all the other pond scum that watch it |
| 21:04.10 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 21:04.20 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, don;t give into guilt by association though |
| 21:04.33 | DrodoEmpire | Its only bad if you actually get real involved with a fandom itself |
| 21:04.51 | Imperios | I still do not understand why the crowd molds you so much |
| 21:04.57 | Hachiman | I mean, I should be able to wear my trench coat and my fedora and be able to hug my dakimakura without feeling like I am part of the degenerate crowd of fucking weaboos |
| 21:05.05 | Imperios | Yeah true |
| 21:05.25 | Imperios | We actually have a literal female fedora in our group |
| 21:05.31 | Hachiman | Disclaimer: I do not actually own a trench coat, a fedora, or a dakimakura |
| 21:05.36 | Hachiman | Or any katana for that matter |
| 21:05.51 | Imperios | Dude do not hide your feelings |
| 21:05.58 | Wormy__ | Just embrace it |
| 21:06.00 | Imperios | Like a *very* ugly girl who wears trenchcoats and fedoras |
| 21:06.10 | Imperios | She's also a feminist |
| 21:06.10 | Hachiman | Ah, my true feelings; I must embrace who I am and look like a school shooter |
| 21:06.16 | Imperios | And is a bit nerdy |
| 21:06.34 | Imperios | And by a bit I mean like the geekiest person in the group |
| 21:06.44 | Hachiman | Is she also an atheist |
| 21:06.51 | Imperios | I believe so |
| 21:06.52 | Hachiman | And fat? |
| 21:07.12 | Imperios | I dunno, she's not trigglypuff-level fat |
| 21:07.18 | Monet | True hipsters give not a single shit what others think of them. |
| 21:07.21 | Imperios | It's her face that is offputting |
| 21:07.28 | Hachiman | You don't have to be Trigglypuff level fat to be fat |
| 21:07.35 | Wormy__ | I look a bit like a beatnik hipster saometimes |
| 21:07.53 | Wormy__ | In fact I'm coming to realise I am a hipster |
| 21:08.04 | Hachiman | inb4 Wormy starts drinking at Starbucks |
| 21:08.16 | Wormy__ | Not that kind |
| 21:08.17 | Imperios | Well I am not sure tbh |
| 21:08.41 | Imperios | She's feminist, which is either the opposite of the neckbeard stereotype or, considering she's female, part of it |
| 21:08.44 | Hachiman | I also like how "hipster trend" is a legitimate thing yet also an oxymoron |
| 21:08.58 | Imperios | I like her style tbh |
| 21:09.05 | Imperios | I wish I could wear hats like her |
| 21:09.10 | Wormy__ | No I don't like pretentious hispters who preach about communism on Twitter from Starbucks on their Iphones |
| 21:09.11 | Hachiman | Fedoras? |
| 21:09.15 | Imperios | Not just fedoras |
| 21:09.20 | Imperios | I think she has several hats |
| 21:09.22 | Hachiman | Trilbies |
| 21:09.42 | Wormy__ | Not into hats either |
| 21:09.50 | Monet | Isn't the classic fedora-waring hispter often wearing a trilby instead? |
| 21:10.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 21:10.24 | Imperios | Lemme just find it |
| 21:10.30 | Imperios | http://cs633724.vk.me/v633724736/27de4/5sdJIy_Nc58.jpg there, on the top |
| 21:10.37 | Imperios | I probably shouldn't share her photos but meh |
| 21:10.40 | Wormy__ | In the past, I came to realise I was a geek and a nerd, a neek. But once again, I imbraced it |
| 21:11.10 | Imperios | Can't call myself a nerd, not studitious enough |
| 21:11.11 | Imperios | studious |
| 21:11.17 | Imperios | Geek maybe |
| 21:11.33 | Hachiman | She looks like Yoko Ono minus the Asian |
| 21:11.38 | Imperios | But I do not feel strongly about any franchise so perhaps not |
| 21:11.55 | Imperios | Holy shit you're right |
| 21:12.08 | Wormy__ | Calling myself a neek is also quite a hipsterish thing to do, no? |
| 21:13.17 | Monet | I think I'm a yupie rather than a hipster. |
| 21:13.37 | Hachiman | Eh, I'd not say so |
| 21:13.42 | Hachiman | You're not a dudebro for example |
| 21:14.00 | Imperios | Monet: You're like... eh... |
| 21:14.19 | Imperios | What do you call snobby geeks hur |
| 21:14.24 | Wormy__ | I on the other hand can look quite scruffy sometimes |
| 21:14.27 | Hachiman | Elitists |
| 21:14.36 | Imperios | Sneeks |
| 21:15.25 | Wormy__ | I've not quite embraced the Lumberjack shirt to fit with my ukempt hair and beard |
| 21:15.38 | Wormy__ | But I have a few |
| 21:16.12 | Monet | Well I like suits, visit cafes, talk about capitalism, maybe I'm more of a nerdy yuppie? |
| 21:16.35 | Imperios | I dunno |
| 21:17.00 | Monet | I don't see myself as a geek tbh. |
| 21:17.20 | Technobliterator | Imperios, you free for a few minutes to discss Reckoning? |
| 21:19.19 | Wormy__ | I could quite easily be a crusty, a beatnik or indeed just a nerd, depending on the mood and day |
| 21:20.27 | Wormy__ | i.e. alternative and punk festivals |
| 21:20.55 | Wormy__ | Have crowds of crust punks |
| 21:32.05 | Xho | Imperios: Have you seen the silbo gomero language |
| 21:32.13 | Imperios | ny |
| 21:32.18 | Imperios | Technobliterator: ah |
| 21:32.31 | Xho | The entire language is whistling |
| 21:32.42 | Technobliterator | If you're about to sleep, it's fine, I can just message you tomorrow \o/ |
| 21:33.02 | Technobliterator | I think we just need to come up with a brief plan, shouldn't need much more before we can wrap up the Andromeda front? |
| 21:33.09 | Xho | It's a whistling version of Spanish |
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| 21:46.30 | The_Randomness | is back |
| 21:47.04 | Wormy__ | slaps Random's bald head |
| 21:48.28 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 21:48.39 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: *pokes* |
| 22:16.34 | Hachiman | Looks like Panda passed out |
| 22:16.43 | Hachiman | He's on Snooze on Steam |
| 22:17.53 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 22:24.14 | The_Randomness | I'll admit that my idea is very, very heavily inspired by Paper Mario: The Thousand Year door, but it seemed like a good, basic thing to base a campaign off of |
| 22:31.22 | Hachiman | Ooh |
| 22:31.25 | Hachiman | Now I wanna know more |
| 22:33.48 | The_Randomness | sure, let me pull up my notes on my phone |
| 22:35.22 | The_Randomness | So, some adventurers hear about an archeological site in a major port city, and the scholars working on it are looking for some more people to help them with it |
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| 22:36.47 | The_Randomness | So, naturally, a group of adventurers (including you) arrive at the city, and if you choose to listen to some stories at one of the taverns, some of them will mention some sort of ancient door that has something behind it, generally rumored to be some great treasure or great evil (as usual) |
| 22:38.13 | The_Randomness | Eventually you'll go to the site, and you can help out the archeologists there with various things, like trying to make sense of things like tablets they've found, ancient murals, etc. The site looks like some sort of ancient, buried city |
| 22:39.42 | The_Randomness | (I should really just put this in the skype chat) |
| 22:40.04 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:40.15 | Hachiman | Yeah, so when Panda wakes up he can see it too |
| 22:43.49 | Imperios | Xho Hachiman Monet: http://40.media.tumblr.com/e1bf0696efb493fbd3d4f7e3919e00cd/tumblr_ngp8ixfriG1s52fc6o1_250.jpg I fucking died |
| 22:44.07 | Hachiman | Hail Hydra |
| 22:44.56 | Imperios | Hydra feeds on shields |
| 22:45.14 | Hachiman | Still |
| 22:45.29 | Hachiman | What the fuck is this Captain America was actually Hydra all along bullshit |
| 22:45.32 | Imperios | https://www.google.ru/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiatfH_sYXNAhXjFZoKHUjHCE4QjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gagbay.com%2F2015%2F10%2Ffunny_memes_the_girl_you_like_redneck_style-620019.jpg&bvm=bv.123325700,d.bGs&psig=AFQjCNGMpe00A8lhYOaEZtR0m0BDFHmunw&ust=1464821081395889 |
| 22:45.39 | Imperios | Hachiman: Well |
| 22:45.52 | Imperios | Nobody actually stated that |
| 22:45.52 | *** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (8036b637@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.54.182.55) |
| 22:45.58 | Imperios | It is *implied* |
| 22:46.08 | Hachiman | Cap literally says "hail Hydra" |
| 22:46.23 | Imperios | The "all along" part |
| 22:46.34 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 22:46.36 | Imperios | Cap's mother is implied to have had connections with Hydra |
| 22:46.46 | Imperios | That's all |
| 22:46.47 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 22:46.51 | Hachiman | Hi Tyb |
| 22:46.53 | Tybusen | I hope those aren't Civil War spoilers |
| 22:46.58 | Imperios | No it's comics |
| 22:47.02 | Tybusen | ok good |
| 22:47.03 | Hachiman | Not Civil War spoilers, no |
| 22:47.14 | Imperios | For all we know in the next comic the Hail Hydra Cap will turn out to be a clone or something |
| 22:47.17 | Imperios | It's fucking COMICS |
| 22:47.22 | Hachiman | Actually |
| 22:47.45 | Monet | We've had stints of Cap being a Skrull doppleganger before. |
| 22:47.46 | Hachiman | The writer for this comic said that this is not a clone or brainwashing; this is *Steve Rogers* of his own accord |
| 22:47.48 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:First_Bunsen_War#Devil.27s_Advocate Hachiman Imperios also I did a thing |
| 22:47.57 | Hachiman | And it's not a doppleganger either |
| 22:48.25 | Monet | I don't read Captain America so I'm clueless |
| 22:48.57 | Hachiman | >Dresden |
| 22:49.02 | Hachiman | As in, Harry Dresden? |
| 22:49.15 | Tybusen | No |
| 22:49.18 | Imperios | Or the Dresden Bombings |
| 22:49.18 | Tybusen | Who is harry dresden |
| 22:49.30 | Monet | Tybusen: Dresden Files. |
| 22:49.36 | Imperios | Oh |
| 22:49.37 | Imperios | OH |
| 22:49.40 | Tybusen | Ah |
| 22:49.43 | Imperios | So Dresden Files is not about WW2? |
| 22:49.53 | Tybusen | Well Dresden Bombings was closer than Harry Dresden |
| 22:50.10 | Tybusen | I named Admiral Dresden a long time ago |
| 22:51.36 | Hachiman | Imperios: It's urban criminal drama with magic |
| 22:52.11 | Imperios | OHOHhOHhOHOHhOHhOHOHhOHh |
| 22:52.40 | Imperios | sfasfdasffsadamiitawhatiswrongwtwithmycomputeter |
| 22:55.19 | Tybusen | youactivatedmytrapcard |
| 22:55.27 | Hachiman | TIME TO D-D-D-D-D-DUEL |
| 22:59.58 | Xho | nooooo |
| 23:01.57 | Imperios | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefqXlOmPPA |
| 23:06.24 | Hachiman | Fucking Gaston as a guard |
| 23:07.51 | Monet | Wasn't SNow WHite's prince like...one of the more pointless ones |
| 23:08.05 | Monet | I swear all that prince did was find her and kiss her awake. |
| 23:10.15 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:10.22 | Imperios | Snow White didn't do jackshit either |
| 23:11.24 | Monet | She took care of the Dwarves' house |
| 23:11.51 | Imperios | So one Taiwanese person took offense that I called him "Taiwanese" and used Taiwan as a name for his country |
| 23:12.05 | Imperios | And another Taiwanese person took offense when one called her Chinese |
| 23:12.19 | Imperios | ...Now... how should one call people from Taiwan then |
| 23:12.41 | Hachiman | wat |
| 23:12.52 | The_Randomness | Yeah, it's complicated |
| 23:13.00 | Tybusen | Yeah |
| 23:13.05 | Hachiman | Wait what, really |
| 23:13.09 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:13.16 | Tybusen | There are some people in Taiwan who still think that Taiwan is the rightful government of all of China |
| 23:13.22 | Imperios | Taiwan is basically the South Korea to PRC's North Korea |
| 23:13.24 | Tybusen | There are others who think Taiwan is it's own thing |
| 23:13.34 | Hachiman | Ooh |
| 23:14.00 | Tybusen | It's a little bit different from the SK-NK siutation, I think |
| 23:14.01 | Imperios | Except it's the communist government which is competent and the capitalist one which is bombastic hur |
| 23:14.24 | Imperios | Well the principle is roughly the same but the scales are different |
| 23:14.36 | Imperios | Taiwan's official name is "Republic of China" |
| 23:14.56 | Imperios | As opposed to "*People's" Republic of China" |
| 23:14.59 | Imperios | So some people would prefer it to be called that |
| 23:15.10 | Tybusen | Taiwan is the same as the original ROC that ruled China before the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949 |
| 23:15.26 | Technobliterator | Imperios, you never answered my question :c |
| 23:15.38 | Tybusen | Same government, but officially Taiwan maintains that they are the legitimate government of China |
| 23:16.03 | Hachiman | But Taiwan is fucking tiny compared to China isn't it |
| 23:16.03 | Tybusen | And the PRC prefers that Taiwan continue to think it's part of China rather than it's own thing |
| 23:16.20 | Tybusen | Yeah, but Taiwan's government was at one point the legitimate Chinese government |
| 23:16.47 | Tybusen | Taiwan's government is the continuation of the Republic of China founded by Sun Yat-sen |
| 23:16.58 | Imperios | So basically a tiny island claiming it's China |
| 23:17.26 | Monet | Its more what's left of the pre-Peoples Republic China |
| 23:17.50 | Tybusen | It would be more correct to say "former Chinese government trapped on Taiwan that continues to claim that it is the Chinese government" |
| 23:18.39 | Technobliterator | uh, I dunno why a country being tiny means it cannot have its own government |
| 23:18.43 | Technobliterator | Ireland is fairly small |
| 23:19.12 | Tybusen | Techno: I think it's more that a small island country like Taiwan claims the entirety of PRC China |
| 23:19.24 | Tybusen | Like if Ireland claimed the entirety of the European mainland |
| 23:20.01 | Technobliterator | That would be...really silly? |
| 23:20.15 | Tybusen | That's basically what Impy was saying |
| 23:20.30 | Tybusen | Though to be fair, Taiwan has a more legitimate claim to China than Ireland to mainland Europe |
| 23:20.37 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 23:21.06 | Technobliterator | I have no idea what's going on with China right now, pretty sure it's still a major violator of human rights |
| 23:21.16 | Tybusen | Well yeah |
| 23:21.31 | Tybusen | But the PRC-ROC debate has been going on ever since 1949 |
| 23:21.32 | DrodoEmpire | Well, yes, Communist China remains a danger to its own citizenry |
| 23:21.34 | Monet | The Taiwanese Government claims itself to be the administration established by Sun-Yat Sen |
| 23:21.48 | Tybusen | Monet: It is that exactly |
| 23:21.55 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:22.02 | Tybusen | It's not just a claim, they *are* Sun Yat-sen's RoC |
| 23:22.07 | Technobliterator | it doesn't appear to me that the situation in China can ever improve |
| 23:22.08 | Technobliterator | Alas |
| 23:22.18 | Hachiman | Reminds me of Saudi Arabia |
| 23:22.37 | Monet | Hachiman: Elaborate? |
| 23:22.38 | Technobliterator | Saudi Arabia is a serious violator of human rights, yes |
| 23:22.43 | Technobliterator | It's just extremely backwards |
| 23:22.59 | Monet | Or are we talking two different subjects? |
| 23:23.09 | Hachiman | Major violator of human rights that is very unlikely to ever improve its social situations while also unfortunately having a major hand in the capitalist market |
| 23:23.15 | Tybusen | I think the comparison is that SA and China are both serious human rights violators who the American government sorta overlooks because of strong economic ties |
| 23:23.35 | Technobliterator | Far as the Middle East goes, Turkey is probably the closest thing to a country that isn't just backwards thinking in many different ways, but it still has Erdogan |
| 23:23.41 | Hachiman | Erm |
| 23:23.47 | Hachiman | Yeah I was gonna mention Erdogan |
| 23:24.00 | Technobliterator | Who's just a complete manbaby |
| 23:24.06 | Tybusen | Turkey was founded on the principle of being a forward-thinking secular Muslim country, though Erdogan is reversing a lot of that |
| 23:24.19 | Hachiman | Second coming of Ataturk when |
| 23:24.33 | Tybusen | hey |
| 23:24.41 | Tybusen | So if the Turkish government does something reasonable |
| 23:24.43 | Tybusen | Would we say |
| 23:24.45 | Tybusen | "Atta turk" |
| 23:24.47 | Technobliterator | I hope they get rid of Erdogan |
| 23:24.49 | The_Randomness | ayy |
| 23:24.50 | Hachiman | Fucking hell |
| 23:24.50 | Technobliterator | haha |
| 23:25.35 | Technobliterator | Also, as far as chances to ever improve in social situations, I'd say it's slightly more likely for SA to improve than China |
| 23:25.50 | Technobliterator | It's really awwful in most African countries too, for similar reasons |
| 23:25.53 | Hachiman | Eh, still quite far-fetched |
| 23:26.01 | Technobliterator | Yeah, alas |
| 23:26.16 | Technobliterator | Of course, I say this, but I don't have much faith in the human race in general |
| 23:26.45 | Hachiman | China, several countries in the Middle East, and many African countries are what I would consider lost causes |
| 23:26.53 | Tybusen | SA has a good chance to improve since the younger members of its ruling family (i.e. who will be the rulers of SA in the coming years) are markedly more liberal than their parents |
| 23:26.59 | Hachiman | Not particularly their own fault but yeah |
| 23:27.21 | Tybusen | China will likely not improve without a gigantic revolution, since China is too damn big to implement reform well |
| 23:27.26 | Monet | China's slowly growing wealthier though. |
| 23:27.38 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but none of the wealth is going to the people who need it |
| 23:27.39 | Hachiman | China needs to split its fucking territories goddamn |
| 23:27.39 | Monet | As inthe people themselves are getting wealthier |
| 23:27.50 | Technobliterator | Or not enough of it is |
| 23:28.07 | Technobliterator | Of course, the population there is stupidly high |
| 23:28.15 | Technobliterator | so it's not easy |
| 23:28.45 | Tybusen | China's political establishment is too entrenched for there to be any revolutionary change to happen soon, I'd say |
| 23:28.59 | Imperios | Hachiman: One difference though |
| 23:29.07 | Imperios | Chinese people are actually working |
| 23:29.15 | Hachiman | True |
| 23:29.29 | Tybusen | And it's exacerbated by the fact that China is very socially unopen compared to other countries mired by corruption and gridlock |
| 23:29.30 | Imperios | Like despite their human rights abuses they have at least built |
| 23:29.54 | Technobliterator | They've also done next to nothing about climate change |
| 23:30.09 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: Many countries haven't, though |
| 23:30.18 | Technobliterator | Unfortunately, yes |
| 23:30.23 | Technobliterator | Germany has done a great job, though |
| 23:30.33 | Hachiman | Either their leaders deny climate change or they do not see it as economically advantageous to switch to alternative resources |
| 23:30.41 | Technobliterator | I wish more countries moved to nuclear or renewable energy sources |
| 23:30.43 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 23:30.48 | Hachiman | >nuclear |
| 23:30.49 | Monet | The second point is somewhat common i nAfrica |
| 23:30.52 | Imperios | Let them pollute the world |
| 23:30.58 | Hachiman | What's this? Jo praising the use of nuclear energy? |
| 23:31.00 | Imperios | Then we shall hoard all of our freshwater and rule the world |
| 23:31.04 | Imperios | By distributing it |
| 23:31.06 | Technobliterator | Well, I came around |
| 23:31.09 | Imperios | We have Baikal yo |
| 23:31.24 | Technobliterator | I kind of figure that nuclear energy is a pretty great solution |
| 23:31.32 | Imperios | Nukes are best |
| 23:31.33 | Technobliterator | given that it will not run out for a few thousand years |
| 23:31.34 | Hachiman | Imperios: China will just harvest water from its inevitable asteroid mining business |
| 23:31.34 | Technobliterator | and by then |
| 23:31.42 | Technobliterator | we will probably have something better anyway |
| 23:31.42 | Monet | While they would eb very effective in central africa, effective solar panels require some advanced manufacturing as wel las exotic materials. |
| 23:31.59 | Technobliterator | I'm not a fan of the waste it produces still, but I think it's a good solution |
| 23:32.17 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://cdn4.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bb35bd0b72642c44b6f7f0a793bcd0d561173050a57b232ac899c81ee7222ad8.jpg |
| 23:32.38 | Wormy__ | When nuclear fusion comes, spent waste can be used up, so the fission boys can be cleaned up after |
| 23:32.41 | Hachiman | It hurts because I see and know people like that |
| 23:32.54 | Tybusen | Ultimately, the waste produced by nuclear fission is not quite as bad as that produced by fossil fuels |
| 23:33.03 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Wormy, I'd love for a breakthrough in nuclear fusion |
| 23:33.07 | Technobliterator | But it doesn't look likely |
| 23:33.10 | Monet | Nuclear waste is expensive ot handle, but its still pretty clena compared ot coal or gas. |
| 23:33.13 | Imperios | Dem British slags |
| 23:33.15 | Tybusen | We will surely be able to invent an efficient way to get rid of nuclear waste within the next 50 years |
| 23:33.19 | Imperios | No offense Jo |
| 23:33.24 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 23:33.42 | The_Randomness | I'm pretty sure that there's already ways to design reactors that produce little waste, or can reuse it |
| 23:33.57 | Wormy__ | Fusion is a physical process, so the only limitations are of engineering, a matter of knowing how. |
| 23:34.06 | Hachiman | Hopefully we will be able to engineer nuclear spacecraft at some point in the next few decades |
| 23:34.16 | Tybusen | And the nice thing about nuclear waste compared to greenhouse gases is that it's very easy to keep it all in one place where you can keep track of it |
| 23:34.22 | Technobliterator | I wish faster than light travel was actually possible |
| 23:34.40 | Hachiman | Insert copypasta here about being born too late / too early |
| 23:34.40 | Technobliterator | But I don't know if it ever will be |
| 23:34.43 | Wormy__ | But I think even nuclear fusion is inferior to space based solar power beamed to earth with lasers. |
| 23:34.54 | Tybusen | We should get the first working fusion reactors within the next 30 years |
| 23:34.57 | Technobliterator | yeah, I like that idea |
| 23:35.07 | Technobliterator | 30 years is too late |
| 23:35.07 | Technobliterator | :c |
| 23:35.18 | Tybusen | 30 years is a conservative estimate |
| 23:35.26 | Technobliterator | think of all the stuff we could do |
| 23:35.31 | Technobliterator | if we didn't waste money on wars |
| 23:35.36 | Technobliterator | or hide it offshore |
| 23:35.44 | Monet | That's not the problem |
| 23:35.45 | Imperios | >do not attack everyone |
| 23:35.48 | Imperios | Dam you Brits |
| 23:35.49 | Tybusen | I believe they've already developed a working tokamak in San Diego and all that follows is getting the fusion process down |
| 23:35.50 | Imperios | You're boring |
| 23:36.04 | Hachiman | tfw I will be dead before I get to see human colonisation on other worlds |
| 23:36.16 | Monet | One of the reasons it's taking so long is these reactors take quite a bit of effort to manufacture. |
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| 23:36.18 | Imperios | Hachiman: You're born just in time to see the big kebab war tho |
| 23:36.22 | Technobliterator | I don't consider myself a Brit : | |
| 23:36.29 | Hachiman | I don't even fucking like kebabs all that much hur |
| 23:36.30 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:36.38 | Imperios | Hachiman: Exactly |
| 23:37.04 | Hachiman | What's the difference between a kebab and a cockroach |
| 23:37.05 | Imperios | Meanwhile I shall be caught in the inevitable crossfire between wingnuts and Muslamic ray guns |
| 23:37.06 | Hachiman | Nothing |
| 23:37.15 | Monet | That supper-innovative-looking tokamak they made in Germany took years ot build not because of resource shortages but because it required *highly* precise engineering. |
| 23:37.17 | Imperios | Hachiman: Dude, not funny |
| 23:37.20 | Imperios | Do not offend cockroaches |
| 23:37.42 | Tybusen | Well shit we've had working tokamaks since the 1960s |
| 23:37.43 | Wormy__ | If Project Starshot gets off the ground, we might see glimpses of Alpha Centauri, Wolf 359 and Barnard's star when we are old. |
| 23:37.44 | Imperios | So yeah Nazi/Islamist war |
| 23:37.46 | Imperios | evil vs evil |
| 23:37.48 | Tybusen | WTF is taking them so long |
| 23:37.56 | Imperios | Would be pretty horrifying but also kind of awesome |
| 23:37.58 | Hachiman | Needs more communism up in this bitch |
| 23:38.06 | Imperios | Yeah commies will be the third force |
| 23:38.14 | Hachiman | Also note that Nazis have had Muslim soldiers before I think |
| 23:38.15 | Monet | Scientific advancement isn't the sort of thing that automatically goes faster when you feed it more money. |
| 23:38.22 | Imperios | Hachiman: Of course they did |
| 23:38.25 | Technobliterator | Nazi vs ISIS would honetsly be fun to watch and laugh at |
| 23:38.30 | Hachiman | Monet: Not with that attitude it isn't |
| 23:38.30 | Imperios | But I mean modern-day neo-Nazis are not really fans of them |
| 23:38.33 | Wormy__ | I'd be very surprised if people haven't heard of this venture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot |
| 23:38.44 | Imperios | But yeah put all the far-right trash in Europe |
| 23:38.56 | Imperios | Put all the Islamist trash in Europe, and in the Middle East too |
| 23:39.01 | Monet | Hachiman: Its the nature of the scientific method. |
| 23:39.03 | Imperios | Pit them against each other |
| 23:39.07 | Hachiman | Wormy__: Damn |
| 23:39.15 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I've heard Wormy |
| 23:39.17 | Imperios | They'll probably do it anyway |
| 23:39.18 | Tybusen | Monet: True, but getting more practice with the technology means that we can figure out optimizations, which will cut down on the time costs of building new tech |
| 23:39.48 | Monet | Tybusen: More money ney will help. I'm not denying that. |
| 23:39.55 | Monet | more money wil lhelp* |
| 23:40.35 | Monet | But the nature of modern science is performing hundreds of tests before ocming ot a conclusion. |
| 23:40.37 | Hachiman | Wormy__: Hopefully I am still alive in 50 years from now to see the results of this |
| 23:40.45 | Wormy__ | indeed |
| 23:40.47 | Hachiman | If it is not delayed and does set sail 20 years from now |
| 23:41.16 | Technobliterator | Why can't they invent a space elevator : | |
| 23:41.32 | Technobliterator | Or was that proven to not work? |
| 23:41.34 | The_Randomness | Because space elevators are hard |
| 23:41.35 | Monet | There have been prototypes |
| 23:41.38 | Hachiman | Honestly, I just hope to be able to hear of the confirmation of extraterrestrial life before I kick the bucket in about 60 or so years from now |
| 23:41.39 | The_Randomness | Like, ludicrously so |
| 23:42.10 | Hachiman | It would be easier to build a space elevator on the Moon than it would be on Earth but space debris is always a worry with things like this |
| 23:42.13 | Technobliterator | Like, physically impossible? |
| 23:42.30 | Technobliterator | Or just not feasible? |
| 23:42.48 | The_Randomness | The latter, I think, but I don't know too much about this sort of thing |
| 23:43.00 | Hachiman | Not impossible, no, but we do not have the materials for it as of the moment plus we have no feasible way to protect a space elevator from whatever debris is in Earth's orbit |
| 23:43.03 | Monet | We're talking about hoisting a tether into an orbit 35,000km above the surface of the Earth. |
| 23:43.09 | Imperios | You guys hoping for a better future? |
| 23:43.15 | Imperios | I mean we're slowly descending into hell |
| 23:43.20 | Wormy__ | We could build an elevator on the moon with modern materials though |
| 23:43.20 | The_Randomness | zzz |
| 23:43.27 | Imperios | Our governments cannot even protect our citizen anymore |
| 23:43.34 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 23:43.38 | Imperios | Like sure life will get better |
| 23:43.40 | The_Randomness | Imperios: Look at the world and tell me with a straight face that things are getting worse overall |
| 23:43.42 | Wormy__ | Thats what they want you to believe Imperios |
| 23:43.43 | Imperios | But also worse in many ways |
| 23:44.07 | Hachiman | Maybe Donald Trump will lend NASA a small loan of a million dollars |
| 23:44.11 | Technobliterator | The way I see it, constant blasts off to space without an elevator isn't that feasible |
| 23:44.30 | Imperios | The_Randomness: I look outside and see abandoned buildings and factories everywhere |
| 23:44.32 | Technobliterator | yeah, hopefully President Trump will just decide to be an egomaniac and pour money into NASA |
| 23:44.45 | Technobliterator | to just be the first president to get a ship on Mars or something |
| 23:44.51 | The_Randomness | Imperios: Look at the rest of the world and tell me that things are getting worse overall |
| 23:44.55 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:44.58 | Monet | How isn't it that feasible when we've been doing it for 65+ years? |
| 23:45.00 | The_Randomness | Guess what? Things are getting better overall. |
| 23:45.03 | Imperios | Just look at Africa and the Middle East |
| 23:45.04 | Hachiman | BUILD A WALL AROUND THE MARTIANS |
| 23:45.13 | Imperios | Things there are definitely not doing better |
| 23:45.17 | Hachiman | Middle East and Africa have always been shitholes |
| 23:45.20 | Imperios | Ahem |
| 23:45.22 | The_Randomness | Sure, those areas are having issues, but they are getting better |
| 23:45.24 | Tybusen | I mean, if you believe the theory about cyclical history, we're about to hit the shittiest times since WWII, followed by a new golden age |
| 23:45.26 | Hachiman | I expect to find shit in my toilet |
| 23:45.28 | Imperios | They were much better |
| 23:45.32 | Imperios | In the early 20th century |
| 23:45.42 | Imperios | And in the 20th century in general |
| 23:45.42 | Technobliterator | I thought we've already hit the worst times since WWII |
| 23:45.43 | Wormy__ | I think optimism and pesscism are both false. Yes I want a better future, and yes, I think one is possible. But not certain. |
| 23:46.02 | The_Randomness | Wormy__: Yes, that is why we need to work towards a better future |
| 23:46.05 | Imperios | America |
| 23:46.06 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:46.09 | DrodoEmpire | Right, statistics don't lie, Imperios. |
| 23:46.14 | Wormy__ | There will always be problems to confront, and there will always be solutions |
| 23:46.14 | Imperios | I look at America and all I see are crazies |
| 23:46.15 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: That's true, actually, though we're going to hit the true crisis point of this time period around 2020 |
| 23:46.20 | DrodoEmpire | Things *are* getting better |
| 23:46.22 | Hachiman | Statistics can be falsified though |
| 23:46.25 | Hachiman | Just sayin' |
| 23:46.29 | The_Randomness | oh come on |
| 23:46.33 | DrodoEmpire | Asspulling individual examples can't disprove it |
| 23:46.35 | Hachiman | I'm not saying they are |
| 23:46.38 | Imperios | I mean |
| 23:46.40 | Technobliterator | What makes you say that? |
| 23:46.42 | DrodoEmpire | Of course they can be |
| 23:46.42 | Hachiman | But you know, stuff like that's happened before |
| 23:46.44 | Imperios | Like sure things get better in many ways |
| 23:46.45 | Imperios | But |
| 23:46.47 | Imperios | Trump |
| 23:46.50 | Technobliterator | Donald Trump's 2020 reelection? :p |
| 23:46.50 | The_Randomness | so? |
| 23:46.53 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh, big deal |
| 23:46.54 | The_Randomness | Trump is one person |
| 23:46.54 | Wormy__ | Humanity is a little crazy, so what? |
| 23:47.03 | Wormy__ | Its part of our talent. |
| 23:47.03 | Hachiman | There have been worse leaders than Trump |
| 23:47.05 | DrodoEmpire | He has some crazy ideas |
| 23:47.07 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: I mean, it's just a historical model, it may not be accurate |
| 23:47.09 | DrodoEmpire | That's it |
| 23:47.09 | Imperios | Having a significant chance to become the most powerful man in the world |
| 23:47.12 | Imperios | That's a problem |
| 23:47.12 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 23:47.25 | Imperios | I mean compared to, say, the 90s, where things in the world were slowly getting better |
| 23:47.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, there have been worse people in higher positions of power |
| 23:47.31 | DrodoEmpire | Again |
| 23:47.33 | Technobliterator | Imp, honestly, in the worst case scenario |
| 23:47.34 | Imperios | Now we're in a stagnation period I think |
| 23:47.39 | Technobliterator | Trump will be like Erdogan |
| 23:47.42 | DrodoEmpire | You're subjective interpretation of reality means nothing |
| 23:47.42 | Imperios | I don't see positive change |
| 23:47.45 | DrodoEmpire | *your |
| 23:47.46 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: But in the context of American history, it does align WWII, American Civil War, and the American Revolution on a pretty solid 80-year cycle |
| 23:47.47 | Imperios | Technology sure |
| 23:47.47 | Technobliterator | A massive manbaby who tries to silence critics |
| 23:48.05 | Technobliterator | I think his election is looking inevitable |
| 23:48.10 | Hachiman | A massive manbaby who I hope will not let Congress get in his way unlike Obama |
| 23:48.12 | Technobliterator | I don't have oany faith in the DNC at all |
| 23:48.15 | The_Randomness | zzzzzzzzz |
| 23:48.22 | The_Randomness | we need more doom and gloom in here |
| 23:48.24 | Technobliterator | But I might be wrong |
| 23:48.26 | Tybusen | According to the cyclical model, we're in the "winter" right before the worst crisis of this era |
| 23:48.35 | Tybusen | Like how the Great Depression was to WWII |
| 23:48.46 | The_Randomness | god damn I hate trying to discuss anything that even looks near politics on here |
| 23:48.48 | Imperios | Tybusen: The worst crisis with the best hair |
| 23:49.01 | Imperios | As for the Middle East |
| 23:49.02 | Hachiman | >not having a pompadour |
| 23:49.12 | Imperios | I see Salafism and extremism spreading across it like a wave |
| 23:49.13 | Tybusen | Things are gonna get shitty, but then things are gonna be looking up and up |
| 23:49.18 | Imperios | I also see it slowly spreading to Europe |
| 23:49.19 | Monet | This is why I enjoy being an optimist and not judging existence basedo n its worst goings-on. |
| 23:49.22 | Tybusen | That's what I think at least |
| 23:49.26 | Imperios | We're having a cultural shift right here |
| 23:49.33 | Imperios | Then again we had the same with East Asia |
| 23:49.41 | Technobliterator | I mean, like, I'm not seeing many scenarios in which Trump does not win given how awfully out of touch the DNC is |
| 23:49.43 | Imperios | Like |
| 23:49.46 | Imperios | If you think about it |
| 23:49.51 | Wormy__ | I don't much like neoliberalism, and that does seem to be dominant in global politics now. |
| 23:49.56 | Tybusen | I'm not terribly optimistic about the near future, but I'm much more optimistic for the years that follow the near future |
| 23:50.08 | Technobliterator | I'm not terribly optimistifc in general, but |
| 23:50.08 | Imperios | Many of the fears about Muslims today mirror the fears Europeans and white Americans felt towards Asians |
| 23:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | Right, just because there are problems in the world doesn't mean you should exaggerate them and then shy away from them ;p |
| 23:50.10 | DrodoEmpire | *:p |
| 23:50.11 | Hachiman | I mean, come on guys; it's not like a nuclear winter is likely to occur at this point |
| 23:50.16 | Monet | Things have been geting better. |
| 23:50.17 | Technobliterator | I think Imp and Hachi are just being overdramatic |
| 23:50.21 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:50.23 | The_Randomness | Technobliterator: and you |
| 23:50.24 | Imperios | Hachiman: NO GUARANTEES PLZ |
| 23:50.26 | Imperios | wELL |
| 23:50.27 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:50.29 | Technobliterator | And me? |
| 23:50.33 | The_Randomness | yes, and you |
| 23:50.39 | Imperios | I am not saying a crisis is that bad for history overall |
| 23:50.46 | Imperios | Maybe we're at the dawn of a new civilisation to come |
| 23:50.47 | Technobliterator | Can you point to anything here I've overdramaticized? |
| 23:50.51 | Imperios | Maybe there'll be the new Middle Ages |
| 23:50.55 | The_Randomness | you're one step short of saying that the sky is falling |
| 23:50.57 | Imperios | And then a Renaissance |
| 23:51.03 | Tybusen | Things aren't great right now, but I think they will get better |
| 23:51.04 | Imperios | And plenty of Deus Vult |
| 23:51.05 | Technobliterator | When have I said anything like that? ?_? |
| 23:51.11 | The_Randomness | Simply because Trump has a shot at being president |
| 23:51.14 | Technobliterator | I don't think you've been reading my comments here |
| 23:51.43 | Technobliterator | I've said his election looks very likely given how poorly the DNC are managing at the moment, but that he would turn out to be like Erdogan, ie a massive manbaby |
| 23:51.49 | Wormy__ | No, we're still in the post-Enlightenment era. The world is change exponentially faster. In the middle ages, generations passed without many changes in the lives of individuals. |
| 23:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:52.16 | The_Randomness | How is it likely? Sure, you may not like "Shillary," but she's more popular than you're giving her credit for |
| 23:52.27 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.87) |
| 23:52.35 | The_Randomness | It is possible, yes, but likely? I can't say. |
| 23:52.35 | Hachiman | It's like people forget that America has had bad Presidents before yet it is still standing |
| 23:52.43 | Wormy__ | <Wormy__> No, we're still in the post-Enlightenment era. The world is change exponentially faster. In the middle ages, generations passed without many changes in the lives of individuals. |
| 23:52.43 | Tybusen | Hillary polls poorly with Independents |
| 23:52.51 | Hachiman | I mean, George Bush was in office until only a decade or so ago |
| 23:52.51 | The_Randomness | true |
| 23:53.00 | Technobliterator | It's not solely Hillary's fault, it's the fault with the DNC |
| 23:53.00 | ImpyDroid | ...Oh God him |
| 23:53.16 | Hachiman | There is no possibly way Trump could top Bush, is all I am saying |
| 23:53.16 | ImpyDroid | Does he have a reputation of a Dumbass here too |
| 23:53.18 | Monet | Hachiman: Never forget. |
| 23:53.23 | ImpyDroid | *dumbass |
| 23:53.28 | Tybusen | One shouldn't count out how many of the people voting in the Dem primaries are only there for Bernie |
| 23:53.35 | Technobliterator | At the moment, they've been responsible for disenfranchising a hell of a lot of voters, and their campaign tactics against Trump do not strike me as compelling ones |
| 23:53.35 | Monet | What about Jimmy Carter? |
| 23:53.45 | ImpyDroid | Bush was stupid but sane, Trump is smart but insane |
| 23:54.03 | Hachiman | Many great innovators were not sane of mind, Imp |
| 23:54.04 | Tybusen | Also, Hillary is only barely beating a man who refuses to hammer her hard on anything |
| 23:54.09 | Technobliterator | They appear to be the general identity politics (which don't work and insult the intelligence of voters) |
| 23:54.33 | Wormy__ | That being said, while many things for humanity do seem to be getting statistically better, and every pessimistic prophesy proven untrue, and technology and science is still in progress, I do feel as though some things lag more than others. There is a lot of scary things happening in politics right now |
| 23:54.37 | Technobliterator | And you get the sense that they'll be discussing sexism more than they'll be discussing policy |
| 23:54.39 | ImpyDroid | Trump will be interesting |
| 23:54.51 | ImpyDroid | Hillary is aggressive as fuck |
| 23:54.55 | ImpyDroid | Isn't she? |
| 23:54.57 | The_Randomness | idk |
| 23:55.14 | Wormy__ | Thats not a means to predict only doom and gloom in my opinion though, because the politicians are in an as much uncertainty as the rest of us. |
| 23:55.21 | The_Randomness | But at least her tax/economic plan isn't going to be a certain disaster that'll run us into extreme debty |
| 23:55.23 | Tybusen | Hillary's identity politics-based tactics that she's used on Bernie won't work on Trump, because Trump and his supporters aren't inclined to give a shit |
| 23:55.36 | Hachiman | Wormy__: I kind of feel like humanity is at a weird point where while we are growing on a technological level, our ethical, moral, social, and emotional evolution has yet to catch up |
| 23:55.40 | Technobliterator | And they're throwing a candidate who has very poor favourability ratings and two FBI investigations, one of which appear to end up poorly |
| 23:55.54 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: "We have guided missiles and misguided men" |
| 23:56.06 | Tybusen | In my belief, Hillary's "better" social and tax policies absolutely do not make up for her being a corrupt, bought-and-sold politician and a serious war hawk |
| 23:56.24 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:56.24 | Hachiman | But Hillary's down with the kids and minorities, dawg |
| 23:56.28 | The_Randomness | true, but I don't buy that "Shillary" stuff |
| 23:56.30 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: While I understand that feeling, arguably things are getting better in the long run morally at least |
| 23:56.34 | Tybusen | Hachiman: She's just like your abuela |
| 23:56.43 | The_Randomness | Show me that she's actually corrupt, and we'll talk |
| 23:56.44 | Technobliterator | I am of the opinion that Bernie would be in the lead had he been given fairer coverage and had there been much less election fraud in places like Arizona, but I'm only speculating there |
| 23:56.58 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Random, there's one plain example of that |
| 23:57.02 | Technobliterator | The Bankruptcy Bill |
| 23:57.12 | Hachiman | Bankruptcy Bill |
| 23:57.13 | Technobliterator | She campaigned against it, took loads of money, and then voted for it |
| 23:57.14 | Tybusen | I mean, it's easy to dismiss "corruption" as a conspiracy |
| 23:57.14 | Hachiman | Bill Clinton |
| 23:57.16 | Hachiman | My God# |
| 23:57.20 | Hachiman | It all makes sense now |
| 23:57.27 | ImpyDroid | What about the Panama Papers tho |
| 23:57.34 | Wormy__ | But humans will always make mistakes, have false ideas, and act crazily. That can't be helped, only corrected. |
| 23:57.39 | Technobliterator | It's not corruption, really |
| 23:58.01 | Wormy__ | And we have progressed far enough to make some error correcting mechanisms, like science |
| 23:58.02 | The_Randomness | When was this again? |
| 23:58.04 | Technobliterator | It's the fact that a politician basically only spends time around other rich people and earns stupid amounts of money from a speech |
| 23:58.18 | Tybusen | Also, don't forget that as SoS, she sold arms to countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation |
| 23:58.33 | Technobliterator | Versus Bernie who always has completely open rallies and refuses to take money from richer people |
| 23:58.34 | Hachiman | Guys |
| 23:58.44 | Hachiman | At least Shillary is not the Zodiac Killer |
| 23:58.49 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 23:58.59 | Technobliterator | To me, you don't have to say HAHA SHILLARY CORRUPT, I don't buy that at all, but |
| 23:59.10 | Technobliterator | it's clear which of the two is more likely to represent the middle class |
| 23:59.13 | The_Randomness | Tybusen: sauce? Haven't heard about that one |
| 23:59.13 | Wormy__ | That, and I remember Vsauce suggested that the reasons humans spread across Earth and survived, and Neanderthals, despite evidence of having boasts did not, was because we might have been a little crazier, thinking more out the box. |
| 23:59.37 | Technobliterator | oh, there's another reason that Bernie's not doing as well with votes that I imagine he would be doing |
| 23:59.40 | Wormy__ | So the same thing that makes a Donald Trump can also make a Nikola Tesla |
| 23:59.42 | Technobliterator | Some Bernie supporters are just idiots |
| 23:59.44 | Hachiman | Personally I feel that we should have the Presidential candidates locked in a room together and have them fight to the death |
| 23:59.53 | Hachiman | And the winner comes out as the next President |
