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| 00:20.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 00:25.45 | Wormy_ | mwah hah hah http://www.nationstates.net/nation=coalition_delpha |
| 00:26.12 | DrodoEmpire | "Psychotic Dictatorship" |
| 00:26.17 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds about right |
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| 00:36.37 | The_Randomness | is back |
| 00:38.29 | Wormy_ | Is the claim "a thousand trillion atomic bombs" safe to say for a young G-star? http://phys.org/news/2016-05-violent-young-sun-seeded-life.html |
| 00:38.40 | Wormy_ | (flares) |
| 00:38.57 | DrodoEmpire | brb |
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| 00:44.39 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 00:50.15 | The_Randomness | wb |
| 01:06.46 | The_Randomness | DrodoEmpire: Want to work a bit more on the early history stuff in a bit? |
| 01:06.59 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, I'm a little tired |
| 01:07.01 | DrodoEmpire | orry |
| 01:07.02 | The_Randomness | Ok |
| 01:07.03 | DrodoEmpire | *Sorry |
| 01:07.30 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: Out of curiosity, when will you be able to work on that draft for the geology and such of the planet? |
| 02:23.10 | Tek0516 | Just watched some Victoria Day fireworks |
| 02:24.20 | Tek0516 | They do a big display on the Toronto beaches |
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| 02:25.39 | Tek0516 | Hello Tybusen |
| 02:25.43 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 02:37.46 | Wormy_ | The_Randomness: When I've finished my module's deadline, which is end of this month |
| 02:37.57 | The_Randomness | Got it |
| 02:38.42 | Wormy_ | I could be lucky by the end of the week, if I'm very lucky |
| 02:38.51 | Wormy_ | :tired: |
| 02:38.59 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
| 02:41.44 | Tek0516 | I still find it wierd how early my university finishes relative to everything else. |
| 02:42.02 | Tek0516 | I've been off for a month now |
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| 03:08.55 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 03:34.24 | Hellrock | Hello. |
| 03:34.50 | Hellrock | o_o |
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| 10:06.53 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:10.27 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 10:32.03 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 11:08.29 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:24.35 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:46.50 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:47.16 | Wormy_ | I had a dream that chavs had a revolution and toppled the establishment. |
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| 11:51.03 | Monet | Reminds me a bit of a Charlie Brooker sketch where there is absolutely zero turnout t oelections and Russel Brand is made prime minister. |
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| 12:09.21 | AdmiralPanda | tbh Russel Brand as prime minister would probably be pretty decent |
| 12:10.13 | Wormy_ | His heart is in the right place, I suppose |
| 12:11.18 | Monet | I have my doubts. |
| 12:11.45 | Hachiman | Russell Brand is a fruit loop though |
| 12:11.56 | Monet | Yeah. He's funny. But I do't trust him ot lead a nation. |
| 12:12.08 | AdmiralPanda | tbh I'd prefer a fruit loop over a shiny turd |
| 12:12.39 | AdmiralPanda | not like he'd be a monarch anyway, he'd still have ministers |
| 12:13.12 | Monet | Yeah part of the election process is to pick ministers to represent each constituency. |
| 12:13.18 | Hachiman | Ah true |
| 12:17.11 | AdmiralPanda | also, a lot of comedians are surprisingly socially astute |
| 12:17.24 | AdmiralPanda | keep in mind I'm not saying I'd vote for him if his name was on hte ballot, just that it's not all doom and gloom |
| 12:20.04 | Monet | Yes true |
| 12:20.44 | Monet | But sometimes his stuff veers on Social Justice Revolution. |
| 12:21.27 | Monet | Fro mwhat I can tell, at least from his mannerisms, is he's a Che Gurevera fan. |
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| 12:22.04 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:24.25 | Wormy_ | On the bright side, its good that someone of his wealth and connections is a voice for the disadvantaged. |
| 12:26.11 | Monet | I prefer Branson myself. |
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| 12:28.42 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:30.34 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:34.22 | Monet | Yeah, Brand's Gue Guavara fanboy. |
| 12:34.30 | Monet | Che Guavara* |
| 12:35.18 | Monet | It might be bias on my end - I'm one of those dubious of Guevara's legacy. |
| 12:54.22 | Wormy_ | So fish that's been left in the back of the fridge too long sometimes glow blue from bioluminescent bacteria feeding on it, but most people never notice the phenomenon due to lights in the fridge or the faint glow overwhelmed by outside sources. |
| 12:57.09 | Wormy_ | Its on Attenborough's Life That Glows |
| 13:03.45 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/4Ygxdi7 |
| 13:09.29 | Wormy_ | Don't lay on snek http://imgur.com/gallery/CHgfj |
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| 13:11.59 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 13:12.31 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:17.14 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:19.09 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 13:19.18 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 13:20.05 | Cyrannian | Finally sent in my dissertation and website, so I'm free at last |
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| 13:31.47 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War/Part_II:_Trials_of_Ald%C3%A1r - Did anyone see this? Posted a few weeks ago when the IRC was dead |
| 13:32.41 | Ghelae | I saw it. |
| 13:33.41 | Cyrannian | I'll probably expand on the ending, was a bit too short |
| 13:40.43 | OluapPlayer | dargon of waptorland |
| 13:41.24 | Imperios | Cyrannian: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/17/Quest_for_the_Light_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20160302234320 Nobody versus Fire & Death? |
| 13:41.50 | Imperios | "My teeth are swords. My claws are spears. My wings are a HURRICANE!" |
| 13:43.03 | Cyrannian | rip smaug |
| 13:46.24 | Cyrannian | brb |
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| 14:30.42 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/XLvP5um |
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| 16:20.26 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 16:21.17 | Monet | hi |
| 16:26.30 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 16:40.21 | Xho | Hello btw |
| 16:44.19 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 16:48.40 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/Pad3i9M.jpg |
| 16:51.05 | Hachiman | So, I just had a thought |
| 16:51.28 | Hachiman | How exactly would SETI inform the public about the discovery of alien life |
| 16:51.30 | AdmiralPanda | no, soccer balls do not need breasts |
| 16:51.52 | Hachiman | There would be such a massive public reaction all over the world |
| 16:52.07 | Wormy_ | They do have protocols. |
| 16:52.13 | Ghel | I think the official procedure would involve a press release. |
| 16:52.21 | Ghel | Failing that, just announce it on Twitter. |
| 16:52.42 | Monet | I heard somewhere there are protocols in place...somewhere. |
| 16:52.54 | Ghel | I don't think it's a top-secret thing. |
| 16:53.44 | Ghel | Hmm. http://www.seti.org/faq#obs16 |
| 16:54.01 | Ghel | "Once an artificial signal is confirmed as being of extraterrestrial intelligent origin, the discovery will be announced as quickly and as widely as possible." |
| 16:54.06 | Ghel | So, Twitter it is. |
| 16:55.31 | Ghel | Oh, they don't seem to have Twitter. It'll be a combined Facebook and YouTube announcement then. |
| 16:55.45 | Tek0516 | Woo. Just cycled over 25km |
| 16:55.51 | Tek0516 | passes out |
| 16:55.58 | Wormy_ | SETI is just a cover up. The governments have known about aliens for a long time, and will slowly release information to warm us up to the possibility. |
| 16:55.59 | OluapPlayer | They'd reach more people via Twitter |
| 16:56.03 | Hachiman | Tek0516: I can run that in my sleep |
| 16:57.02 | Ghel | SETI@Home has Twitter, so they'll presumably make the announcement there too. |
| 16:58.17 | Hachiman | I imagine that not all responses to the confirmation of extraterrestrial life will be good |
| 16:58.37 | Hachiman | I wouldn't say mass panic or hysteria but |
| 16:58.56 | Imperios | But mass panic and hysteria |
| 16:59.25 | OluapPlayer | I see part of the population being too busy with their own lives to care |
| 16:59.39 | Hachiman | Well the confirmation of the existence of ETs is not something I would really consider to be a cause for mass panic and hysteria |
| 16:59.50 | Wormy_ | Seriously this time. I think there would be a lot of incomprehension, the stock market will probably be unusual for a few days or something. |
| 16:59.52 | Monet | I agree with Oluap. |
| 16:59.58 | Ghel | I'm sure some people would take it badly. But it's not something that directly affects most people's lives. |
| 17:00.06 | Xho | Throws a lot of religious teachings into question as well |
| 17:00.13 | Monet | Some peopel are going ot hear the news and think "Well this probably doesn't really change anything for now so meh" |
| 17:00.15 | AdmiralPanda | at least someone is going to want to declare war |
| 17:00.22 | Wormy_ | Fundies will probably deny it. |
| 17:00.30 | OluapPlayer | That's the thing |
| 17:00.35 | OluapPlayer | Aliens existing won't pay the bills |
| 17:00.36 | Ghel | Most non-fundamentalist religions have thought about aliens before, so they shouldn't mind. |
| 17:00.47 | Xho | IT'S DISTRICT 9 ALL OVER AGAIN |
| 17:00.59 | Hachiman | I wonder what Pope Francis thinks about aliens |
| 17:01.05 | Ghel | If aliens actually came to Earth things would be different, but we wouldn't need SETI to tell us about that. |
| 17:01.32 | Wormy_ | For a lot of people, the confirmation of aliens,especially intelligence would be spiritually changing. |
| 17:01.43 | Wormy_ | Not everybody but those types |
| 17:02.19 | Ghel | The Pope presumably follows the standard Catholic ideas of "maybe they never fell like humanity, or maybe they fell and they were saved by their own Space Jesus". IIRC that's the general idea. |
| 17:02.19 | Hachiman | I can understand people who wouldn't consider it that big of a deal; I mean, it'd probably be decades or centuries before we could even interact with ETs |
| 17:02.51 | Hachiman | I didn't know there was a standard or general Catholic viewpoint on that kind of thing |
| 17:02.53 | Wormy_ | I think if the aliens were really different to us psychologically, and far more advanced than us, they would have to study how to communicate and even get noticed by us in order to make contact |
| 17:03.15 | Ghel | I don't think it's official doctrine, but their theologians have put a fair amount of thought into it. |
| 17:03.52 | Ghel | Wormy_: To communicate, yes, it would be difficult. To simply be noticed, however, you just do something that no natural astrophysical process does. |
| 17:04.14 | Wormy_ | Thats true, preferably something that won't kill us |
| 17:04.22 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0w9YP_wZ0 |
| 17:04.36 | OluapPlayer | You park your saucer over a city and go "yo, how much's the gas today" |
| 17:04.42 | OluapPlayer | Xho: seen |
| 17:04.53 | Hachiman | I just hope that if ETs end up setting foot on Earth, that they do not land in a place like the Middle East |
| 17:05.11 | Ghel | Parking flying saucers over cities is also something that no natural astrophysical process does. |
| 17:05.36 | Hachiman | An ET's first impression of humanity being Saudi Arabia or war-torn Syria is not ideal |
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| 17:06.36 | Hachiman | Or like landing in some redneck's backyard |
| 17:06.48 | OluapPlayer | If the aliens come looking for contact, I imagine they would do some research before just crashing head-first into the planet |
| 17:07.13 | Xho | Poor old Gabe made a mistake |
| 17:07.15 | OluapPlayer | Neckbeard's wish of having a real alien waifu is realized |
| 17:07.33 | OluapPlayer | The old Gabe's been gone for a long time |
| 17:07.42 | OluapPlayer | Now there's just corporate Gabe |
| 17:08.10 | Monet | I agree with Oluap. They'd look for the nation they can msot comfortably make ocntact with |
| 17:08.35 | Hachiman | inb4 CYKA BLYAT and CHEEKI BREEKI |
| 17:08.45 | Xho | CHEEKI BREEKI |
| 17:09.10 | Monet | Putin turns out to be an alien operative |
| 17:09.10 | OluapPlayer | "humans are hostile, smell of alcohol and do strange sitting gestures. but they have okay tracksuits" |
| 17:09.11 | Hachiman | Russians capture ET's landing on Earth via dashcam |
| 17:10.37 | Wormy_ | Ugh, this all assumes they build technology like us, have human-like goals and think like us as well. Evidence that they exist could be very subtle, i.e. nanoscale self-replicating machines or something of equal or more extreme difference would have a hard time getting noticed by us. |
| 17:10.43 | Monet | Who knows maybe the most likely landing site is Belgium. |
| 17:11.06 | Xho | Monet: Not the beers NOT THE BEERS |
| 17:11.12 | OluapPlayer | Of course it assumes so |
| 17:11.17 | OluapPlayer | What else would you expect? |
| 17:11.31 | Xho | I think the worst case scenario is to have humanoid aliens |
| 17:11.43 | OluapPlayer | If people want alien contact they're not going to focus on the aliens being deliberately undetectable |
| 17:11.43 | Xho | Man that would mess humanity up |
| 17:11.59 | Hachiman | Worst case scenario would be to have aliens that look exactly like humans |
| 17:12.08 | Wormy_ | Stephen Baxter suggested aliens who's psychology was geared around collectives might be confused by our cities, and would take time to understand us at an individual level |
| 17:12.12 | Wormy_ | bbl |
| 17:12.25 | Ghel | Nanoscale self-replicating machines, on their own, would struggle to get noticed, sure. But presumably they have some other technology; they didn't just drift here through interstellar space for millions of years. |
| 17:12.44 | Xho | If we get some Prometheus-style Engineer alien, time to freak out |
| 17:12.45 | Hachiman | OR MAYBE THEY DID YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR STORY |
| 17:13.37 | Monet | If these aliens are responding to our transmissions then the likelihood exists that there is some spychological compatability. |
| 17:13.42 | Ghel | Alien nanobots drift through space for millions of years, finding a new planet to live on -> burn up on re-entry. |
| 17:13.48 | Monet | psychological compatability* |
| 17:14.00 | Hachiman | Xho: Well, convergent evolution poses that risk |
| 17:14.36 | Xho | So apparently they are speaking Proto-Indo-European in Prometheus |
| 17:14.47 | Xho | engineers are actually fantasyverse primordial tongue species |
| 17:14.55 | Xho | FREAK OUT EVEN FURTHER |
| 17:14.59 | Monet | Yeah, uncorrupted PIE. |
| 17:17.01 | Xho | Hachiman Monet: "Pretty sure David said "AvP was better than Alien" before the Engineer went ape shit" |
| 17:17.10 | AdmiralPanda | that just puts "corrupted pie" in my mind and I'm thinking a pie made from like acid and tentacles and stuff |
| 17:17.11 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 17:17.12 | Imperios | hl |
| 17:17.16 | Imperios | Xho: You did not know that? |
| 17:17.25 | Xho | I gathered it was PIE |
| 17:17.30 | Xho | I wasn't 100% certain |
| 17:17.36 | Xho | So I decided to look |
| 17:17.55 | Hachiman | Prometheus is not all that much worth looking into honestly |
| 17:18.05 | Hachiman | Mediocre / bad film so |
| 17:18.12 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 17:18.21 | Monet | Xho: I agree with this possible translation |
| 17:18.25 | Imperios | Wait wait actually |
| 17:18.35 | Imperios | Hachiman: Wait why did you say thaty |
| 17:18.39 | Imperios | I mean I agree but |
| 17:18.57 | Xho | It's not an action film by any stretch of the imagination |
| 17:18.59 | Hachiman | Because old habits die hard hur |
| 17:19.03 | Imperios | Blarg |
| 17:19.08 | Imperios | fukn die plz |
| 17:19.11 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVFYLf8_eI Well here we go |
| 17:19.17 | Imperios | But yeah it sucked, it was a bit too slow |
| 17:19.28 | Imperios | I think when making long movies, pacing is key |
| 17:21.17 | Hachiman | Ridley Scott in general is a bit eh now |
| 17:21.23 | Imperios | WEll |
| 17:21.28 | Xho | That full scene should've been in there really, that bit would have made more sense |
| 17:21.32 | Imperios | there was that last movie I think |
| 17:21.37 | Imperios | Yes |
| 17:21.38 | Imperios | Which one |
| 17:21.46 | Imperios | I swear he had like 2 bad movies in a row and then one really good one |
| 17:21.51 | Imperios | The Martian, yes |
| 17:22.06 | Hachiman | Ah, The Martian was good |
| 17:22.18 | Hachiman | But that's because it's an adaptation |
| 17:22.25 | Hachiman | Not Scott's own original work |
| 17:24.04 | Imperios | True |
| 17:24.08 | Hachiman | Scott's made a fair number of bad films actually; Kingdom of Heaven, 1492: Conquest of Paradise, Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counselor |
| 17:24.18 | Imperios | Well technically Gods and Kings was also an adaptation |
| 17:24.25 | Hachiman | Exodus as well |
| 17:24.32 | Monet | Ridley scott's a yo-yo |
| 17:24.34 | Hachiman | Yeah true but still |
| 17:24.49 | Hachiman | At least Cameron is a little bit more consistent |
| 17:25.03 | Xho | Cameron's visuals are good |
| 17:25.06 | Xho | His storytelling is |
| 17:25.07 | Xho | Well |
| 17:25.10 | Monet | He does good like the Martian, the original Alie nand Blade Runner, thne he makes crap like 1492. |
| 17:25.11 | Xho | I've seen better |
| 17:25.33 | Imperios | Well personally the best visual director today is Snyder IMO |
| 17:25.53 | Hachiman | I like Joss Whedon |
| 17:25.59 | Imperios | I mean if we're talking about these guys who can make a good picture but suck at storytelling, like Bay and Lucas, Snyder is the best |
| 17:26.17 | Imperios | Whedon is good yeah |
| 17:26.21 | Imperios | He's not a visual director tho |
| 17:26.24 | Hachiman | True |
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| 17:59.16 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:10.57 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 18:15.21 | Ghel | Hello. |
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| 18:40.17 | Technobliterator | Cameron consistent? |
| 18:40.21 | Technobliterator | He went from Terminator |
| 18:40.24 | Technobliterator | to Titanic |
| 18:40.26 | Technobliterator | to Avatar |
| 18:40.34 | Technobliterator | or do you just mean consistent quality-wise |
| 18:41.08 | Hachiman | Consistent quality-wise |
| 18:41.39 | Hachiman | With Ridley Scott, you dunno what to expect by comparison |
| 18:41.54 | Technobliterator | I'm not a fan of Titanic, but I admit it was a good film |
| 18:42.08 | Hachiman | With Cameron, you at least know his films are going to look great and and be at least good to mediocre |
| 18:42.21 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 18:44.36 | Technobliterator | I want him to get the Terminator rights back |
| 18:47.17 | Xho | Wow we're still on this |
| 18:47.20 | Xho | hao u do dis |
| 18:52.06 | Monet | Techno |
| 18:52.30 | Monet | The conversation was silent for about an hour |
| 18:55.23 | Wormy_ | Speaking of Cameron (?), I've asked to get Bladerunner on my birthday |
| 18:55.50 | Wormy_ | Might be surprising that I've never seen it. |
| 18:56.13 | Wormy_ | Oh wait no, Ridley Scott |
| 18:57.25 | Wormy_ | Though I've listened to the Bladerunner soundtrack and quote "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe" |
| 18:58.03 | Wormy_ | https://wordandimage.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ive-seen-things-3.jpg |
| 18:58.40 | Wormy_ | Stuff like that is why I want to see the far future |
| 18:59.13 | Ghel | No need to wait for the far future, Wormy. Blade Runner's only set in 2019. |
| 19:05.17 | Wormy_ | Oh well that's fantastic. Two years to develop space colonies, synths, and a wormhole portal. |
| 19:05.22 | Wormy_ | Its diable |
| 19:05.25 | Wormy_ | *doable |
| 19:06.37 | Wormy_ | Ghel, Monet, Hachiman: Also, MelodySheep just uploaded this today, either my remarkable coincidence or that it inspired Hachi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psiq5imRIj8 |
| 19:06.44 | Wormy_ | *either by |
| 19:07.17 | Hachiman | I saw that earlier; didn't inspire my topic earlier though |
| 19:10.35 | Technobliterator | Yeah, because there's a timer on how long a discussion can last and I can't respond to one if I missed it, okay |
| 19:10.44 | Imperios | Monet: http://wowlol.ru/img4/580065936e0dcedb1e42d2cbfdb33b50.jpg Going to the Warcraft movie be like |
| 19:10.57 | Wormy_ | I think we could defeat Tier 5 aliens as long as they didn't root themselves deep in the solar system or create a bioweapon. |
| 19:11.35 | Wormy_ | So incompetent aliens like those in Battle: Los Angeles or Footfall |
| 19:12.17 | Ghel | Or like those in Independence Day, for that matter. |
| 19:12.20 | Wormy_ | The aliens in Battle:LA believed that humanity would still be in the dark ages |
| 19:13.37 | Wormy_ | The ID aliens were not only really advanced, they were also really incompetent. |
| 19:13.44 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 19:13.52 | Wormy_ | Ah lets not forget the Martians ffrom War of the Worlds. |
| 19:14.14 | Ghel | It's fair enough for the Martians of the original novel. They weren't really more advanced than we are now. |
| 19:14.55 | Ghel | Okay, they used laser weapons and had walkers, but we don't use things like that for practical reasons. |
| 19:16.20 | Ghel | Later adaptations are worse. Like in Spielberg's, where they were supposedly planning their invasion for millions of years. |
| 19:16.25 | Wormy_ | They either didn't have a concept of disease after long eradicating it, or didn't check that Earth bacteria couldn't infect them |
| 19:16.37 | Wormy_ | Millions of years, really? |
| 19:16.48 | Ghel | I don't remember the exact quote, but it's something like that. |
| 19:17.03 | Ghel | Rather than arriving in spaceships, they teleport themselves into buried walkers via lightning bolts. |
| 19:17.23 | Wormy_ | Ah yes, I think I remember something like that. |
| 19:18.09 | Ghel | As for why they didn't prepare themselves for disease... in the novel, it's both. They had eradicated disease so long ago that their immune systems, like most of their organs, had atrophied; and they simply weren't capable (or didn't think) of sending probes to scout Earth to see if there were any unexpected threats. |
| 19:18.43 | Ghel | The latter, however, is pretty inexcusable for a million-year preparation. |
| 19:19.01 | Monet | Their in SPielberg's film was a million years ago they buried walkers under where all of Earth's cities would be |
| 19:19.39 | Ghel | See? That's amazing foresight. |
| 19:20.14 | Monet | I do wonder if the "bacteria kills the aliens" addition was because Wells' editor wouldn't allow hi mto sell a book with the ending of "the aliens kill us all and reduce England to waste, the end" |
| 19:20.17 | Cyrannian | Well according to a crazy person in the movie anyway |
| 19:21.20 | Ghel | I don't think Wells was like that. He was making a point against imperialism, and ending a novel with "imperialism wins" is a poor way of doing that, effective shock tactic or not. |
| 19:22.08 | Monet | Ghel: Or it could have bene a statement of "Imperialism wins, and look at the destruction it wrought doing so" |
| 19:22.45 | Ghel | That's kind of what I meant by "shock tactic". |
| 19:22.56 | Monet | Cyrannian: A crazy person and a walker rising up from the ground underneath the middle of the city Tom Cruize was living in. |
| 19:23.42 | Wormy_ | I give more to Wells, for incorporating germ theory that had only been recently universally accepted into a science fiction novel. |
| 19:23.49 | Cyrannian | I mean the crazy person was the only one in the movie to guess how long the aliens had the tripods under the ground. |
| 19:25.47 | Monet | Well if disaster movies teach us anything, its that the crazy person is always the first to understand what's happening. |
| 19:25.57 | Ghel | I think if aliens can ride lightning bolts into buried war machines, saying they'd been planning it for millions of years with such exceptional knowledge of human society as to know where their cities will be is practically believable. |
| 19:26.48 | Ghel | And yet despite that knowledge, they never learned about epidemics. Which are pretty important parts of human history. |
| 19:28.58 | Ghel | The War of the Worlds isn't something that necessarily gives itself very well to plausible remakes. |
| 19:29.25 | Ghel | That being said, Independence Day was quite inspired by it, and not just in the same way that the entire alien invasion genre is. |
| 19:29.30 | Wormy_ | Oh well, humans are incompetent invaders too, like how the RDA gots its arses wupped by native lifeforms and stone age peoples |
| 19:29.32 | Ghel | After all, the ID aliens are defeated with a virus. |
| 19:31.00 | Ghel | Wormy_: Not that it makes it much better, but are they even Tier 5? |
| 19:31.38 | Cyrannian | I wonder how they'll be defeated in the sequel |
| 19:31.39 | Wormy_ | Hmm, if they are Tier 5, they are only just |
| 19:32.26 | Monet | This time they're bringing a mothership with its own gavity well. |
| 19:32.33 | Cyrannian | Perhaps through the unholy mix of a computer virus and a regular virus, the worst nightmare of any alien invader. |
| 19:32.51 | Wormy_ | There's the Goa'uld as well, who got defeated by two air force personnel, and archaeologist and a userper |
| 19:33.01 | OluapPlayer | So a cyborg virus |
| 19:33.02 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 19:33.20 | Wormy_ | Not a userper, a deserter |
| 19:33.24 | Monet | The last alians IIRC got defeated by a Mac virus. |
| 19:34.08 | Ghel | I've read there was a deleted scene which explained that Macs were developed using alien technology. |
| 19:34.50 | Monet | Well they said a lot of our technology came form studying them |
| 19:35.03 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure if the RDA's starship powered its own propulsion or was sent from Earth by laser. But if it did, there would have to be lasers in the Alpha Centauri system to slow it down or having its own onboard power anyway. But even something like nuclear fusion is arguably Tier 6. |
| 19:35.23 | Ghel | I think it was antimatter-powered. |
| 19:35.28 | Wormy_ | *onboard powered propulsion |
| 19:35.30 | Wormy_ | right |
| 19:35.51 | Ghel | Keeping it safely stored was one of the uses of unobtainium. |
| 19:39.30 | Wormy_ | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfNM5xqUkAAY9iM.jpg:large |
| 19:49.57 | Wormy_ | Hm, thew Goa'uld had incompetent planetary attack forces |
| 19:49.59 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIXn1RkGhU |
| 19:50.25 | Wormy_ | They weren't used to doing more than squashing iron age rebellions |
| 19:53.28 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: it's also mentioned in the series that the staff weapon is more for terror than proper combat |
| 19:55.47 | Tek0516 | The only thing holding their empires together really was the belief in their master's godhood, and thst crumbling really started to undermine them |
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| 20:04.11 | dino82_ | hi |
| 20:04.25 | Ghel | Hi |
| 20:17.23 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
| 20:20.13 | Monet | Pretty well |
| 20:21.55 | Hachiman | Doing alright |
| 20:22.36 | Xho | Hachiman Technobliterator: Playing KOTOR did that plot twist actually just happen |
| 20:22.47 | Technobliterator | Yuuuup |
| 20:22.50 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 20:23.11 | Technobliterator | I mean, this is the series that brought you LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER |
| 20:23.15 | Technobliterator | So KOTOR delivered on that front |
| 20:23.45 | Wormy_ | Tek0516: I remember that |
| 20:23.56 | Xho | Well it didn't matter anyway since I'm still dark side |
| 20:24.03 | Hachiman | So, I decided that I might get into an open university course for a qualification in teaching |
| 20:24.13 | Xho | noice |
| 20:24.32 | Imperios | Hachiteacher |
| 20:24.50 | Technobliterator | Teaching, eh? :o |
| 20:24.51 | Imperios | I think of Full Metal Jacket for some reason hur |
| 20:24.55 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:24.59 | Hachiman | Yeah, teaching |
| 20:25.06 | Technobliterator | Also, Xho, even though you're dark side, don't bother trying to tell NPCs you're Revan |
| 20:25.09 | Technobliterator | They won't believe you |
| 20:25.19 | Xho | bur |
| 20:25.22 | Xho | but* |
| 20:25.22 | Technobliterator | Just use the normal intimidation tactics and whatever |
| 20:25.35 | Hachiman | Teachers are in demand from what I have seen and upper-tier teaching jobs pay REALLY well |
| 20:25.49 | Technobliterator | Ah, fair enough |
| 20:25.51 | Technobliterator | Best of luck :o |
| 20:26.00 | Imperios | I'd love being a teacher TBH |
| 20:26.02 | Technobliterator | As long as you're okay with controlling a class |
| 20:26.10 | Hachiman | Even mid-tier teaching jobs pay around £30,000+ per year |
| 20:26.37 | Imperios | But teacher's salary is not that large in Russia |
| 20:26.41 | Imperios | *a teacher's |
| 20:27.03 | Imperios | *to be a teacher |
| 20:27.58 | Technobliterator | What subject do you want to teach? |
| 20:28.18 | Hachiman | Science / English / history |
| 20:28.28 | Technobliterator | ahh |
| 20:28.29 | Hachiman | Also IT |
| 20:28.33 | Hachiman | Anything that isn't fucking maths |
| 20:28.40 | Technobliterator | You'd be good at History, I reckon |
| 20:28.48 | Technobliterator | Or Media Studies? |
| 20:29.00 | Hachiman | Yeah perhaps |
| 20:29.12 | Hachiman | I'd excel in a few areas I reckon |
| 20:29.18 | Monet | A Science teaching job I think requires a PhD, at least i nsecondary school and up. |
| 20:29.39 | Hachiman | fug |
| 20:29.47 | Technobliterator | this of course is despite the science they teach you at secondary school being not even close to PhD level |
| 20:30.19 | Monet | I had a secondary school physics teacher whose title was "dr" |
| 20:30.20 | Ghel | I'm fairly sure only one of my A-Level science teachers had a PhD. |
| 20:30.27 | Hachiman | I reckon English, history, and IT and media-related stuff would be best for me to study |
| 20:30.37 | Hachiman | And teach |
| 20:30.38 | Monet | And my college physics lecturer was a PhD in physics. |
| 20:30.50 | Hachiman | I mean I am nearing a full diploma in Level 3 Multimedia Industries so |
| 20:30.54 | Technobliterator | As well as taking the teaching course, I'd take a course in whichever subject you want to teach as well |
| 20:31.01 | Hachiman | Yeah of course |
| 20:31.02 | Ghel | And one of my maths teachers didn't even have a degree in maths. |
| 20:31.14 | Technobliterator | I've taught swimming before |
| 20:31.14 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 20:32.08 | Hachiman | Of course I'll have to start out as a TA before I do anything but |
| 20:32.13 | Hachiman | Shouldn't be too bad |
| 20:32.21 | Monet | Hachiman: WHat level of education would you like to teach? |
| 20:32.38 | Monet | Primary, secondary, college or university? |
| 20:32.43 | Hachiman | Secondary level is preferred, although I'll be happy to accept primary |
| 20:32.47 | Technobliterator | oh boy |
| 20:32.54 | Hachiman | Yeah I know right |
| 20:32.56 | Technobliterator | secondary school level must be awful |
| 20:32.57 | Hachiman | Fuck me |
| 20:33.24 | Technobliterator | I imagine you wouldn't find it that bad |
| 20:33.42 | Hachiman | But then I don't feel like I'm good enough to teach college so |
| 20:33.48 | Hachiman | Maybe college English actually |
| 20:34.14 | Technobliterator | Just as long as you aren't as strict to the kids as you are to the new IRC users ;D |
| 20:34.19 | Hachiman | Yeah of course |
| 20:34.29 | Hachiman | I actually sympathize with the fact a lot of kids hate secondary |
| 20:34.38 | Hachiman | And kids like a teacher that sympathizes with them |
| 20:34.39 | Technobliterator | I sure did |
| 20:34.45 | Hachiman | Yeah so did I |
| 20:34.46 | Technobliterator | hell yeah |
| 20:34.52 | Technobliterator | like |
| 20:35.08 | Technobliterator | the best thing is when your lecturer at uni goes on a rant about what his life was like |
| 20:35.14 | Technobliterator | and how he used to struggle as much as you |
| 20:35.18 | Technobliterator | and suddenly it doesn't seem so bad |
| 20:36.34 | Imperios | You just need to be harsh |
| 20:36.38 | Imperios | Or they won't take you seriously |
| 20:36.39 | Imperios | ...Wait |
| 20:36.44 | Imperios | You can do that just fine hur |
| 20:36.49 | Hachiman | I'm harsh with you and you don't take me seriously hur |
| 20:37.13 | Monet | And always keep an eye on the back row. |
| 20:37.26 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 20:37.41 | Imperios | Because I treat you as an equal |
| 20:38.11 | Imperios | In school, you generally aren't |
| 20:38.16 | Hachiman | True |
| 20:39.59 | Monet | I see a lot of Reddit and YouTube talk that students more enjoy the real history their history tells them. |
| 20:40.04 | Monet | Not what's in the textbook. |
| 20:40.10 | Hachiman | Yeah, they do |
| 20:40.24 | Hachiman | Although I'd probably get fucking fired if I go against the textbooks |
| 20:41.08 | Monet | SOmetimes the textbooks are right |
| 20:41.21 | Hachiman | Yeah, except when they're wrong hur |
| 20:41.38 | Hachiman | Still, I know that a large part of secondary learning is about passing rather than learning |
| 20:41.45 | Hachiman | And that's frustrating |
| 20:43.31 | Monet | You can veer of the textbooks sometimes |
| 20:43.45 | Monet | What seems ot matter is how high the students' grades are |
| 20:43.51 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 20:44.35 | Monet | But what I enjoyed about college was one thing that my chemistry lecturer told the class o nour first day - At colelge and above ,the teacher is not always right |
| 20:47.38 | Hachiman | Apparently the reason why teachers in secondary occasionally make you watch videos and such is because they're too tired or otherwise to actually teach you for that day |
| 20:47.50 | Hachiman | Or at least, that is partially the reason on occasion |
| 20:47.53 | Imperios | Hachiman: Just do the textbooks |
| 20:47.59 | Imperios | AND also provide your commentary |
| 20:48.13 | Imperios | That's what our history teachers did, and god all of them were competent |
| 20:48.45 | Hachiman | Aye that sounds pretty cool |
| 20:49.58 | Monet | Hachiman: " you watch videos and such is because they're too tired or otherwise to actually teach you for that day" - The substitute's most prolific weapon is the video. |
| 20:50.20 | Hachiman | It seems there is a demand for younger teachers in schools across the UK actually |
| 20:50.28 | Hachiman | Which suits me just fine |
| 20:55.51 | Wormy_ | If I was to go into education, I would prefer to do it in HE college or university. And probably HE over FE, because the students are more likely to be interesting and self-motivated in HE. |
| 20:56.10 | Wormy_ | Higher ed |
| 20:57.03 | Wormy_ | Secondary school kids would rip me apart |
| 20:58.54 | Wormy_ | Anyway, colleges are now being heavily forced to employ teaching staff that have barely graduated themselves. Its sad because the more eccentric and knowledgeable lecturers are being phased out |
| 20:59.28 | Wormy_ | But its also an opportunity |
| 21:00.29 | Wormy_ | When I did my foundation degree, in the second year most of the tutors had been made redumndant and replaced by third year students (!) |
| 21:09.23 | Wormy_ | US develops kamikaze drones http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36370231 |
| 21:19.02 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/Taybuggxoxo/status/710207881342164992 |
| 21:46.38 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: aren't kamikaze drones basically guided missiles? :P |
| 21:47.51 | Wormy_ | Hm, ones that fly around for a bit like drones in STO. |
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| 22:38.51 | Imperios | iH |
| 22:39.32 | Tybusen | teyvirP |
| 22:43.09 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:213044 k |
| 22:44.13 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 22:46.38 | Tybusen | why |
| 22:50.27 | Tybusen | I got into playing a little bit of Spore again and had some fun taking over a purple spice homeworld with Fanatical Frenzy |
| 22:50.47 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 22:51.13 | Tybusen | Popped a Spice Storage on there and you've got an 80 Purple Spice planet |
| 22:52.19 | Tybusen | Also, playing Spore on the save files which Bunsen was based on made me realize how small my empires are in relation to the galaxy |
| 22:52.34 | Tybusen | So I'm probably going to have to update a bunch of the Bunsen maps to reflect that |
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| 22:54.47 | Tybusen | The TIAF barely reaches 1/5 up their arm of the galaxy, actually |
| 22:55.12 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 22:56.43 | Tybusen | Though I probably played a shitload of Spore back when I first made the TIAF since the maps of TIAF space I've always had still mostly hold up to the original Spore star spread |
| 22:56.54 | Imperios | Tybusen: THe best way to do it |
| 22:57.20 | Imperios | is Staff of Life -> Monolith -> Fanatical Frenzy -> ... -> Profit |
| 22:57.42 | Tybusen | Yeah but the file I was playing on had only just gotten to the "meet the Grox" mission |
| 22:57.58 | Tybusen | Granted I hit rank 10 within a few hours of playing but still |
| 22:58.20 | Tybusen | Coincidentally, I was playing on the file that became the base for the GSC |
| 22:59.25 | Tybusen | Space Stage is actually fairly fun when you're trying to recreate a galactic power within your Spore game |
| 23:00.03 | Tybusen | Especially when it turns out that the maps you made due to a lack of knowledge of the space turn out to be totally wrong |
| 23:01.03 | Tybusen | I'm finding more and more that a significant number of the important wormholes in Bunsen fiction don't exist in-game |
| 23:14.56 | Imperios | I remember changing archetypes several times |
| 23:15.01 | Imperios | In my first playthrough |
| 23:15.09 | Imperios | To adapt to the situation at hand |
| 23:15.22 | Imperios | First scientist |
| 23:15.30 | Imperios | To get allied with the Grox |
| 23:15.38 | Imperios | Then zealot to get purple spice planets |
| 23:15.50 | Imperios | Then bard to do diplomacy |
| 23:18.00 | Imperios | Monet: http://www.fixabay.com/images/Entertainment/0ma1l0ieoiz.jpg That's from Bioshock, right? |
| 23:18.23 | Monet | Bioshock Infinite yes. |
| 23:20.39 | Imperios | That picture is fucking awesome hur |
| 23:20.51 | Imperios | Like it's so racist it turns hilarious |
| 23:28.15 | Monet | Yeah |
| 23:55.36 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSodCuo73ig |
