| 00:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right guess so |
| 00:00.14 | DrodoEmpire | On the titanpad? |
| 00:00.24 | The_Randomness | ye |
| 00:01.50 | DrodoEmpire | My bookmarks are acting up. Link |
| 00:01.53 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 00:02.05 | The_Randomness | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.05 | The_Randomness | I'm thinking we should go one region at a time or something |
| 00:05.31 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, though also time period? Cultures change a *lot* over time |
| 00:05.45 | DrodoEmpire | We might also be wise to keep things pretty broad at this point also |
| 00:05.47 | The_Randomness | Let me think |
| 00:05.49 | The_Randomness | Yeah |
| 00:06.04 | DrodoEmpire | There isn't much sense in fleshing out dozens of different cultures |
| 00:06.11 | The_Randomness | Of course |
| 00:06.29 | The_Randomness | We should probably start somewhat early so then we can extrapolate what future cultures may be like |
| 00:06.45 | The_Randomness | Yeah, let's start from the beginning |
| 00:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 01:22.00 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 01:48.11 | Tek0516 | https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ckii-development-diary-may-17th-we-dont-talk-about-the-dead.933262/ ...yesterday's CK2 dev diary was rathe rdisturbing |
| 01:52.41 | DrodoEmpire | I'd say o.O |
| 01:53.32 | Tek0516 | Will make CK2 murder a lot more unnerving. |
| 01:54.07 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
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| 04:25.54 | The_Randomness | Time for SCIENCE |
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| 09:26.28 | ImpyDroid | hi |
| 09:26.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:18.58 | Wormy_ | Ugh Man Flu |
| 10:19.19 | Liquid_Ink | ..? |
| 10:20.48 | Wormy_ | Wel l I have been having cold or allergy-like symptoms. But since yesterday I've felt very achy which is more of a sign of flu. Or maybe I'm sure exaggerating everything. |
| 10:21.00 | Wormy_ | *I'm just |
| 10:21.44 | Liquid_Ink | I was under the assumption "man-flu" referred to the reaction to the disease rather than the disease itself. |
| 10:22.13 | Liquid_Ink | Since the housewife with the flu would have continue on with her housework, but when the man got sick he would be bedridden and demand to be waited on hand and foot |
| 10:23.59 | Wormy_ | Well yes, I'm already thinking of cancelling my running session later even though I'm symptoms aren't that severe. Maybe a tougher person wouldn't |
| 10:24.09 | Wormy_ | *though my symptoms |
| 10:24.16 | Wormy_ | Tbh I feel clumsy too |
| 10:25.44 | Wormy_ | In short, I'm not sure if flu or iover-inflated reaction to cold |
| 10:26.06 | Wormy_ | But I feel don't need *any* ills right now |
| 10:26.18 | Wormy_ | *But I really don't |
| 10:27.12 | Wormy_ | I think all this stress is playing with my immune system |
| 10:28.55 | Wormy_ | http://manflu.info/snotometer/snotometer.htm |
| 10:36.29 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: VAPE NATION https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/news/politics-campaigns/2016-05-19_breaking-news-house-of-lords-vote-could-defeat-uk-tpd.html |
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| 10:52.59 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/9TQnT |
| 10:54.12 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/fil11 |
| 10:55.44 | Wormy_ | wooooa http://i.imgur.com/1MFDiQg.jpg |
| 10:57.50 | Wormy_ | and more http://imgur.com/gallery/5u4CW |
| 11:02.31 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/GmIj8ta.png |
| 11:03.19 | Wormy_ | Liquid_Ink: http://imgur.com/gallery/MpRBy |
| 11:04.37 | Wormy_ | That perspective http://i.imgur.com/ZUaOFmA.jpg |
| 11:07.40 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/rSrR4 |
| 11:23.59 | Wormy_ | Its a bloody fast food chain they are complaining about, why the high expectations? https://digiday.com/brands/burger-king-hot-dogs-imgur/ |
| 11:31.38 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: Btw I found the original publication of that new suggested form of viral treatment http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.macromol.6b00091 |
| 11:33.09 | Ghelae | Doesn't look too bad, but as always, replication of results is key. |
| 11:33.23 | Wormy_ | At least its more than a rumour at least |
| 11:49.51 | Wormy_ | Oh Liquid_Ink, teaser for the new Star Trek series that will be set in the oriinal timeline https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpPweAooeE |
| 11:51.22 | Wormy_ | "This got me about 10 times more excited than the Star Trek Beyond trailer did." |
| 11:52.25 | Liquid_Ink | I saw |
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| 13:22.28 | Tek0516 | Hello Monet |
| 13:22.33 | Monet | Hello |
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| 14:22.30 | Groxkiller | Hey. |
| 14:23.47 | Groxkiller | Nobody on? |
| 14:24.06 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 14:24.10 | Groxkiller | \;d |
| 14:24.13 | Groxkiller | :D* |
| 14:24.38 | Wormy_ | Though I can't hang around long. |
| 14:24.51 | Groxkiller | No worries. |
| 14:25.01 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 14:25.04 | Groxkiller | I've got 40 more mins of college with nothing to do... |
| 14:25.56 | Groxkiller | Anyone aware of the game I'm making? |
| 14:25.58 | Wormy_ | On one of my days at uni I had 3 hours. I would use that time in the library |
| 14:26.14 | Wormy_ | I'm not, but it sounds interesting |
| 14:26.19 | Groxkiller | I'm still -technically- in class... |
| 14:26.21 | Monet | Groxkiller: There must be some task you've been set. |
| 14:26.28 | Groxkiller | I finished it. |
| 14:26.46 | Groxkiller | Anyway, my game - we just finished building our own engine! |
| 14:27.30 | Groxkiller | We're calling it Purple Rain. |
| 14:27.59 | Wormy_ | Oh wow, that sounds awesome. The kind that integrates libraries like a physics engine? |
| 14:28.23 | Wormy_ | Sunds like heavy programming |
| 14:28.27 | Groxkiller | It's going to run our whole game. Lighting, physics, ect. |
| 14:28.39 | Wormy_ | Nice |
| 14:28.42 | Groxkiller | I didn't do the code. My uncle did. Written in C. |
| 14:29.02 | Groxkiller | Just tweaking it for optimization. |
| 14:29.10 | Groxkiller | Fixing lighting bugs, ect. |
| 14:29.32 | Groxkiller | Then we're going into game mechanics as we put in models ect. |
| 14:29.53 | Groxkiller | So far we just have a spinning camera, since we need stuff to attach it to. |
| 14:30.16 | Wormy_ | I've been very slowly learning how to make physics and agent based programs/games, but a long way from learning how to integrate them |
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| 14:30.42 | Groxkiller | Yeah, I can't wrap my head around the engine. Mostly because I don't understand C, though. |
| 14:30.54 | Groxkiller | I've got way more knowledge with Visual Basic. |
| 14:31.20 | Wormy_ | So you or your fellow students do 2D or 3D graphics to model stuff as well? |
| 14:31.36 | Groxkiller | Nah. I'm not doing that kind of course, sadly. |
| 14:31.48 | Groxkiller | Maybe next year I'll get on my game design class. |
| 14:32.16 | Groxkiller | I'm going to be making the frames for our models though. |
| 14:32.23 | Groxkiller | Skeletons for rigging, in effect. |
| 14:32.49 | Groxkiller | Doing it for -every- model too... |
| 14:33.06 | Groxkiller | Will be starting on Saturday with Minotaurs, because I love them. |
| 14:33.16 | Groxkiller | Then humans. |
| 14:33.17 | Wormy_ | Never really liked rigging |
| 14:33.24 | Groxkiller | I'm not gonna do the rigs. |
| 14:33.29 | Groxkiller | Just the models. |
| 14:33.47 | Wormy_ | Oh I get you |
| 14:33.54 | Groxkiller | Though for every creature in the game, I'll need to make one. |
| 14:33.57 | Monet | My advice Grox, do humans first. |
| 14:34.02 | Groxkiller | Alright. |
| 14:34.03 | Wormy_ | I'm the opposite, I've done the fun stuff like 3D, web code and game engines and so-on, but now I need to study the drier stuff |
| 14:34.39 | Monet | Getting the hang of standard human rigs is much more useful than starting with non-human legs. |
| 14:34.39 | Groxkiller | Also - if the creatures has seperate gender models (such as player races), I'll need two make two skeletons for them. |
| 14:34.49 | Groxkiller | I'm not doing the rigs. XD |
| 14:35.14 | Wormy_ | I confused skeleton and rig there |
| 14:35.14 | Groxkiller | I'm just making models that can be rigged later. |
| 14:35.54 | Groxkiller | Might look for someone to do terrain textures soon. |
| 14:36.57 | Wormy_ | If you have free time though, I suggest getting a 3D program (and it will make both a lot easier). I suggest Maya or 3DS Max, which are free for students. Though if you want to publish the game, liscences would need to be sorted out (when I asked about that, I'm always told "leave that to the clients") |
| 14:37.10 | Groxkiller | I have Maya! |
| 14:37.14 | Wormy_ | cool |
| 14:37.37 | Wormy_ | I use it more for physics driven simulation and visualisation, myself |
| 14:37.40 | Groxkiller | My jobs are skeletons for models, and lore. My uncle is sorting code. |
| 14:37.57 | Wormy_ | occasionally scripting |
| 14:38.15 | Groxkiller | Still need to find people for sound, rigging, and textures. |
| 14:38.22 | Groxkiller | I might be doing the animation. |
| 14:38.40 | Groxkiller | But I'm -not- going to make the rigs. No way in hell. |
| 14:40.12 | Groxkiller | We also decided that every item will have a model on the character. Even rings and necklaces, |
| 14:40.32 | Groxkiller | So, every piece of equipment will need a model made too. |
| 14:40.46 | Groxkiller | That'll also be my job. >_> |
| 14:41.53 | Groxkiller | We're going to have about 20 or so item slots... |
| 14:42.34 | Groxkiller | And each will have 100+ item models to make. |
| 14:42.48 | Groxkiller | Each needing about 5 different textures. |
| 14:43.23 | Groxkiller | Then there's also customization! |
| 14:44.45 | Wormy_ | Phew, sounds like a lot of work. I've been in volved in the development of two team-made games |
| 14:44.52 | Groxkiller | Yeah... |
| 14:45.04 | Wormy_ | That wasn't nearly as much assets and it was stressful as hell |
| 14:45.06 | Groxkiller | 20x100x5 items. |
| 14:45.43 | Groxkiller | 10000 items mininum... |
| 14:46.18 | Groxkiller | Then there's all the monsters, buildings, ect... |
| 14:46.26 | Wormy_ | How big is your team? |
| 14:46.32 | Groxkiller | Two of us... |
| 14:46.49 | Wormy_ | Woa |
| 14:46.52 | Groxkiller | Yep. |
| 14:47.00 | Groxkiller | It's a huge undertaking. |
| 14:47.25 | Monet | Be careful if it may be too huge |
| 14:47.34 | Groxkiller | We also decided to split income 50/50. On a Steam release. |
| 14:47.53 | Groxkiller | No subs or anything. Just a lot of stress and hopefully a decent reward for it. |
| 14:47.55 | Wormy_ | Does it have to be complete by a certain time period or is it a long projected the prject? The latter might be fine, especially if you take on more people. But if they expect you to submit they should only ask you for a tech demonstrator really |
| 14:48.15 | Groxkiller | Oh, we've got no deadline. |
| 14:48.47 | Groxkiller | We're basically making it until it's ready. Then releasing it. |
| 14:49.41 | Wormy_ | Cool |
| 14:49.47 | Groxkiller | We've got some goals we want to get done, too. |
| 14:49.57 | Groxkiller | No exceptions. They must be made! |
| 14:50.06 | Groxkiller | One being a fully underground zone. |
| 14:50.21 | Groxkiller | The other being tons of world-PvP objectives. |
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| 14:51.15 | Groxkiller | We aim big. :P Family trait. |
| 14:51.19 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 14:51.21 | Groxkiller | Hey! |
| 14:51.30 | Groxkiller | Talking about the game I'm making. |
| 14:51.36 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah? |
| 14:51.40 | Wormy_ | Also practise makes perfect, it is highly likely you will become very skilled after just a small portions of those models were made |
| 14:51.43 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 14:51.47 | Groxkiller | Yeah. RPG with two people doing everything. |
| 14:51.52 | DrodoEmpire | Cool |
| 14:51.55 | Groxkiller | 3D, fantasy. |
| 14:52.07 | Groxkiller | Three factions. |
| 14:52.12 | Groxkiller | Seven races. |
| 14:52.20 | Groxkiller | I'm making every god-damn last model! |
| 14:52.29 | Groxkiller | All 10K+ items, and more. |
| 14:53.01 | Groxkiller | This is going to get to me... |
| 14:53.16 | Groxkiller | Plus I'll be animating. |
| 14:53.31 | Groxkiller | And writing all the lore. |
| 14:53.32 | Monet | Yeah my advice is scale your project back |
| 14:53.43 | Groxkiller | Hehe. We won't. Trust me. :P |
| 14:53.47 | Monet | This *might* drive you crazy. |
| 14:53.59 | Groxkiller | Our family has two main traits. Aim big, and be stubborn. |
| 14:54.14 | Groxkiller | We will get this done. Even if it takes us ages. |
| 14:54.29 | Monet | I admire your enthusiasm. |
| 14:54.43 | Wormy_ | Same, but stress is never a good thing. |
| 14:54.54 | Wormy_ | to work with |
| 14:54.57 | Groxkiller | I have my coffee. It'll support me. |
| 14:55.24 | Monet | This your first game project? |
| 14:55.27 | Groxkiller | Plus, there's always the alpha and beta testing, Y'know, the whacky stuff. |
| 14:55.31 | Groxkiller | Uhm. Yeah. |
| 14:55.52 | Groxkiller | I'm going to log now. Class is over, so I'm going home. |
| 14:56.02 | Groxkiller | See you later! |
| 14:56.24 | Wormy_ | I mean I'm being stubborn at the moment, I've got 4 simulation projects to build for a client by the end of May (and post-produce them in After Effects), plus my Final Year Show in June (which will be a game). I'm only just finishing the second one and I've had very little sleep. |
| 14:56.35 | Wormy_ | This has thrown my immune system into dissaray |
| 14:56.41 | Wormy_ | Now I have the flu |
| 14:57.11 | Monet | I know how you feel. |
| 14:57.16 | Wormy_ | It feels shit tbh and it can effect the quality of work |
| 14:57.59 | Monet | I'm only building one set but I'e got a similar predicament to you regarding an end of may deadline. |
| 14:58.08 | Wormy_ | Sometimes you need to stand back a bit, rest and reflect. Learn something new, and then new skills can be synthesised. |
| 14:59.11 | Monet | Right now my priority is on minimising render times |
| 14:59.21 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 15:00.32 | Wormy_ | And I'm even reaching playback speed issues due to reunning lots of fluids and particles. I've down to downscale the resolution, particle count, solver equality, substeps etc. |
| 15:00.45 | Wormy_ | *I've had to |
| 15:01.17 | Monet | You're wrestling fluid physics, I'm wrestling reflections. |
| 15:02.00 | Wormy_ | You could fill volumes about using any of these things |
| 15:02.58 | Wormy_ | And tha'ts why I think you need more people on a team to build so many assets, and collaborate. |
| 15:05.49 | Monet | These big industry games and films will have between 5 and 20 modellers working on asset models alone. |
| 15:06.46 | Wormy_ | Because I'm making scientific visualisations, its better to go for non-photorealistic rendering than photorealism in many cases, so fortunately my rendering is less heavy on the lighting component. Though I do like playing with lighting and Mental ray sometimes |
| 15:09.04 | Wormy_ | The biomedical people quite like toon rendering |
| 15:11.00 | Wormy_ | *shading |
| 15:16.12 | ImpyDroid | I turn from cour |
| 15:24.27 | Monet | hm? |
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| 15:55.25 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 15:55.35 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 15:57.20 | Wormy_ | Hi |
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| 16:18.12 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1463670654-20160519.png |
| 16:20.58 | Wormy_ | Perfectly understandable. |
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| 16:21.17 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 16:22.06 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 16:22.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 16:37.14 | Wormy_ | Whats really annoying about this flu is 9 out of 10 times I want to sneeze, it turns out as a dud. At least that means the virus I have, might have a mutation that harms its vector of transmission (flu and cold viruses have evolved to trigger the sneeze reflex, I think). |
| 16:37.41 | Wormy_ | So it, is a fail. |
| 16:38.19 | Ghelae | That or it's saving itself up for only the most effective sneezes. |
| 16:39.17 | Wormy_ | Damnit |
| 16:39.37 | Ghelae | I don't think the viruses are that sophisticated. They work by causing a tiny amount of damage to your upper respiratory system, causing the immune system to completely overreact; being in the upper respiratory system, this reaction includes mucous, and getting rid of this usually means sneezing. |
| 16:39.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yes Ghelae, the viruses are all sitting in their foxholes waiting for the one sneeze that "ain't a damn drill" <.< |
| 16:40.14 | Cyrannian | Sneezing is for the weak nasaled anyway |
| 16:40.41 | Ghelae | Yeah. Real men kill viruses with pure manliness. |
| 16:41.13 | Ghelae | ...hence man flu. |
| 16:42.09 | Wormy_ | I think the idea was that viruses have evolved mechanisms to spread further by making the body react even more, but i could have read it wrong. |
| 16:43.15 | Ghelae | That's presumably how it works, to an extent. |
| 16:51.28 | Wormy_ | Even if it isn't very sophisticated, its still an example of an active replicator causing its environment to replicate even more. A stronger argument for them being life than not, given that the typical definitions of life are nearly as easy to define and exclude. |
| 16:55.11 | Wormy_ | Hm, an unactive replicator would be like tin pest, a chemical reaction that doesn't seem to have any capacity to evolve. Tin pest will always be tin pest. |
| 16:56.57 | Ghelae | So autocatalytic reactions. Possibly things like fire as well; they replicate by heating up their environment and thereby pushing more molecules to the point of ignition. |
| 16:57.39 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 17:13.58 | Wormy_ | I decided to look up the degree of sophistication, it seems to go about as far as attacking specific cells like those lining the intestines, so less water is absorbed meaning that diarrhoea is more likely. |
| 17:15.31 | Wormy_ | or infecting nerve endings in the nose |
| 17:15.40 | Ghelaway | So they'll make you sneeze, but not sneeze *more*. |
| 17:35.32 | Hachiman | I have a simple solution as to how we can stop the extinction of marine life through water pollution |
| 17:36.10 | Hachiman | We kill it all off before they get the chance to let pollution take them |
| 17:38.03 | Wormy_ | It will prevent the Octopus from taking over. |
| 17:39.52 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
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| 18:24.03 | Monet | Hi |
| 18:24.06 | Ghel | Hi |
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| 18:25.42 | Monet | Hello |
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| 20:34.57 | Wormy_ | Hm, I need music to work to. Something Ambient, electronic, or proggy rock |
| 20:36.32 | Wormy_ | So trees have something analagous to sleep patterns https://www.newscientist.com/article/2088833-trees-seen-resting-branches-while-asleep-for-the-first-time/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=ILC&utm_campaign=webpush&cmpid=ILC%257CNSNS%257C2016-GLOBAL-webpush-SLEEPINGTREES |
| 20:37.02 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Just slap on a Prodigy playlist |
| 20:37.21 | Wormy_ | I like Progidy, but i need something new |
| 20:37.38 | Wormy_ | *Prodigy |
| 20:48.17 | Imperios | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ |
| 20:48.36 | Imperios | Xho: I have just written my coursework |
| 20:48.46 | Imperios | I literally cannot write anymore for a day or two |
| 20:48.49 | Xho | fair enough |
| 20:48.51 | Imperios | I'll contribute eventualyl |
| 20:52.03 | dino82_ | bbl |
| 20:54.34 | Imperios | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3xgENDEhk&list=FLVgk3MXpU_EN_qzFHEbMfCg&index=1 So I found... this |
| 20:55.18 | Xho | dafuq |
| 20:55.31 | Imperios | #Ukrainians |
| 20:56.28 | Imperios | I am not sure if it is us who are too slavishly obedient or them who are too anarchically incompetent |
| 20:58.08 | Cyrannian | ngh opening that link with full speakers was a bad life choice |
| 21:00.42 | Imperios | You just felt the power of Ukraine |
| 21:01.12 | Imperios | Eat a slice of lard for additional Ukranianness |
| 21:01.28 | Imperios | Actually do Irishmen eat lard |
| 21:01.47 | Wormy_ | I honestly fear I move up the list of people to spy on everyrtime I click on links like that |
| 21:02.04 | Cyrannian | quickly googles "lard" |
| 21:02.17 | Cyrannian | ew, I hope not |
| 21:02.40 | Imperios | Wormy_: I doubt you should fear the Ukrainian government |
| 21:02.42 | Monet | Its just butter made with animal instead of vegetable fat. |
| 21:02.55 | DrodoEmpire | Cyrannian: Have you *never* heard of lard? XD |
| 21:03.06 | DrodoEmpire | I'm surprised, I just thought it was common everywhere |
| 21:03.26 | Wormy_ | I think Cyrannian was being sarcastic hur |
| 21:03.34 | DrodoEmpire | I'd think but I dunno |
| 21:03.44 | Imperios | I personally hate lard |
| 21:04.12 | Wormy_ | I'm told that all the chip shops in Reland cook chips in lard, like they do in Scotland and north of England |
| 21:04.21 | Wormy_ | *Ireland |
| 21:04.27 | Monet | Lard's an odd thing ot google is all. |
| 21:05.50 | Cyrannian | Well it depends on the place, in Northern Ireland it's more common in chip shops |
| 21:06.36 | Monet | Yeah but lard's not just used in frying chips. |
| 21:06.41 | Wormy_ | Never eaten lard because I'm a vegetarian |
| 21:06.57 | Wormy_ | don't think I'm missing out |
| 21:07.20 | Cyrannian | I wouldn't say so, I've never tried it either but the word makes it sound very unappealing |
| 21:08.05 | Imperios | Wormy_: This reminded me, I met a vegetarian girl a week or so ago |
| 21:08.11 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lardy_cake avoid eating this ten |
| 21:08.13 | Wormy_ | Xho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpHX5unjv5Y |
| 21:08.16 | Ghel | Lard is very useful. You can mix it with seeds and nuts to feed to birds in winter. |
| 21:08.29 | Ghel | I'm sure it has other uses; I just don't know what they are. |
| 21:08.36 | Imperios | She was kind of interesting to talk to; she was surprised that I eat tofu for some reason hur |
| 21:08.50 | Imperios | She literally said, in plain Russian, "I thought normies did not eat it" |
| 21:08.52 | Hachiman | Well, you see, if you're into lard outside of eating it is very good to cover your entire body with |
| 21:09.09 | Imperios | Hachiman: Ukrainian Custodes |
| 21:09.37 | Hachiman | Custodes - MY OILED ABS BLYAT |
| 21:09.53 | Hachiman | Cykastodes |
| 21:09.54 | Wormy_ | Monet: Looks like Sweet Roll |
| 21:10.03 | Monet | Hmm come to think of it if one eats pork and bacon, they're eating thep rimary ingrediant of lard. |
| 21:10.17 | Monet | Wormy_: Its in the same family of cake. |
| 21:11.03 | Monet | Especially if one eats the fatty bit of a pork chop. |
| 21:11.16 | Ghel | So I suppose if you're eating bacon and think "this has too much meat and not enough fat", you could top it up with some lard. |
| 21:11.18 | Monet | Which when salted can taste rather nice imo. |
| 21:11.38 | Cyrannian | Not a fan of fat on bacon |
| 21:12.03 | OluapPlayer | Not a fan of bacon :v |
| 21:12.18 | Monet | Fat o nbacon I'm 50/50 |
| 21:12.25 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.20) |
| 21:12.32 | Monet | But I like at least a bit of fat with my chops. |
| 21:12.49 | Wormy_ | I eat facon |
| 21:13.10 | Wormy_ | Quorn bacon. Vegan bacon. Soon there will be seaweed bacon. |
| 21:13.29 | Cyrannian | I didn't know you were a vegetarian, Wormy |
| 21:13.46 | Wormy_ | My host is vegetarian, yes |
| 21:14.01 | Cyrannian | I was just going to mention all the brain matter you consume |
| 21:14.14 | Wormy_ | I just ensure it eats vegetarian food. |
| 21:14.25 | Wormy_ | Meat is murder |
| 21:14.44 | Hachiman | Suck on my meat |
| 21:14.49 | Cyrannian | burns his bra |
| 21:14.51 | Wormy_ | However, its okay to parasite if your host. |
| 21:14.55 | Wormy_ | *off |
| 21:15.10 | Monet | Does no one think of plants' feelings? |
| 21:15.13 | Wormy_ | There is no ethics about that |
| 21:15.36 | Hachiman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.09 | Wormy_ | ohyou.jpg |
| 21:16.19 | Cyrannian | Hachi is wise beyond his years |
| 21:18.49 | Wormy_ | Monet: Eating the flesh off plants while keeping them alive is key. |
| 21:19.03 | Wormy_ | I will now make my host a fruitarian. |
| 21:20.02 | Imperios | Unfortunatley, that vegan lady turned out to be lesbian :< |
| 21:20.15 | Imperios | Or maybe she said that to get me off because /r9k/ |
| 21:20.33 | Imperios | She did not say it as a way to get me off though, she just casually mentioned me |
| 21:20.41 | Imperios | Could be a cunning plan on her part |
| 21:20.51 | Imperios | But the rest of her character kind of fits being a lesbian |
| 21:20.54 | Hachiman | Some girls are good at being subtle |
| 21:21.07 | Hachiman | If she brought up her sexuality so swiftly, it means she thought you were coming onto her |
| 21:21.13 | Hachiman | And she did not find you desirable |
| 21:21.13 | Imperios | Well |
| 21:21.20 | Imperios | We were discussing LGBT |
| 21:21.46 | Imperios | She then promptly said that and I asked, she went all shy and then I said I'm okay with that and all that |
| 21:22.26 | Imperios | Unless that was a ruse |
| 21:22.28 | Imperios | Gber;gjewrg kwjgfsw |
| 21:23.40 | Hachiman | Trust me, I know how girls work |
| 21:23.41 | Hachiman | The best way to escape their insensitive affronts is to not talk to them at all and become a social recluse while accepting the fact that you will inevitably die alone |
| 21:23.46 | Hachiman | It saves your feelings a bunch |
| 21:24.06 | Monet | Lovemaster Hachi. |
| 21:24.56 | Imperios | I also know how to shave |
| 21:25.07 | Imperios | Unlike you ;U |
| 21:25.20 | Monet | SOme women don't like beards. |
| 21:25.21 | Wormy_ | Why put such a negative tone on living alone Hachi |
| 21:25.21 | Hachiman | I rock that 70s porno tache fuck you |
| 21:25.26 | Xho | how did we get to this |
| 21:25.40 | OluapPlayer | God has abandoned us |
| 21:25.51 | Wormy_ | The beard is everywhere |
| 21:26.17 | Hachiman | I'll have you know Imp that you can only grow a moustache like mine by listening to vaporwave remixes of generic 70s porn tracks and sound effects |
| 21:26.18 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1LgGmq8DnQ |
| 21:26.29 | Wormy_ | I read that as Vape mixes |
| 21:27.33 | Xho | Not a big fan of beards |
| 21:27.43 | Xho | I prefer a clean shaven face over that any day of the week |
| 21:27.46 | Hachiman | Wormy_ I put such a negative tone on living in isolation because I am still trying to accept my place as social and genetic garbage |
| 21:27.46 | Imperios | And unfortunately with that stache you will only enjoy the affection of women whose peak of life was around that period |
| 21:28.12 | OluapPlayer | #savage |
| 21:28.18 | Hachiman | You imply that I look any better while clean-shaven |
| 21:28.24 | Xho | Hell I dunno |
| 21:28.28 | Hachiman | Jokes on you; I still look absolutely hideous |
| 21:28.41 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I've come to accept, and treasure, on isolation from the human herd. |
| 21:28.51 | Hachiman | #WakeUpSheeple |
| 21:29.37 | Cyrannian | I agree with Xho anyway, people with beards tend to irk me |
| 21:29.42 | Wormy_ | Thats what my beard is like right now |
| 21:29.56 | Xho | I can grow a beard very easily |
| 21:30.03 | Xho | Although the itchiness is the worst |
| 21:30.03 | DrodoEmpire | I do like facial hair but I dunno if I want it right now :p |
| 21:30.12 | DrodoEmpire | Personally for me |
| 21:30.17 | OluapPlayer | Dwarf beard or no beard at all |
| 21:30.24 | Imperios | Several girls said I'd look cool if I coloured my hair white |
| 21:30.29 | Wormy_ | I'm passed the itchiness |
| 21:30.35 | Xho | Imperios: read: cool |
| 21:30.38 | Monet | My mum doesn't really like my semi-Downy Jr. |
| 21:30.47 | Wormy_ | Trouble is, while its growing it itches, if I shave, it rashes up |
| 21:30.55 | Hachiman | Imperios: Because you're Asian and you'd look like an anime character to them |
| 21:31.08 | Monet | http://images.distractify.com/v0.2/body/2016/05/lolnote-691x1024.jpg a day i nthe life of a substitute teacher. |
| 21:31.11 | Xho | So more like weaboo than cool really |
| 21:31.15 | Imperios | Xho: Problem is she meant that http://pm1.narvii.com/5856/5e7859dea46b77ec928f52ba640e415b5f7ee1aa_hq.jpg |
| 21:31.17 | Imperios | they even |
| 21:31.23 | Cyrannian | kawaii |
| 21:31.24 | Xho | HEH |
| 21:31.26 | Xho | KEK |
| 21:31.30 | Hachiman | Monet: dat comic sans text |
| 21:31.38 | OluapPlayer | Has that person never heard of a hair brush |
| 21:31.51 | OluapPlayer | His hair looks like a bird nest |
| 21:31.51 | Monet | Hachiman: I think its a pre-school |
| 21:32.04 | Hachiman | Still, comic sans |
| 21:32.06 | Wormy_ | I was imagining https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1eshP_JGAo4/hqdefault.jpg |
| 21:32.10 | Hachiman | How highly unprofessional |
| 21:32.22 | Xho | OluapPlayer: dat called style u uncultured non-korean westerner |
| 21:32.29 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:32.32 | OluapPlayer | Unkept style |
| 21:32.38 | Xho | dam |
| 21:32.41 | Xho | was outsmarted |
| 21:33.01 | Xho | Not quite sure what my hairstyle is at the moment |
| 21:33.03 | Monet | HAchiman: Given its pink paper, I think it was suposed to be for the kids. |
| 21:33.09 | Wormy_ | My hair also gets unkempt like that |
| 21:33.16 | Hachiman | My hair is always unkempt |
| 21:33.18 | Xho | Just a fairly generic short haired style at the moment but my hair grows very quickly so |
| 21:33.20 | Wormy_ | But hey, I like sociasl reclusion |
| 21:33.31 | Hachiman | Even when I brush it, there are still strands everywhere |
| 21:33.48 | Xho | I don't like social reclusion but it's better than being among people you have nothing in common with |
| 21:33.49 | Monet | "I just left a note last week that read "Delanya picked a giant scab off of her knee, and wouldn't stop throwing it into peoples hair, then she kept making it bleed on the floor. Security wasn't fast enough and now someone ate the scab for a Ho-ho snack cake. So glad I went to college for this...." |
| 21:33.49 | Monet | This was for a High School class btw..." |
| 21:33.56 | OluapPlayer | I don't like being socially reclusive but it's not like I have a choice |
| 21:34.15 | Hachiman | Holy fuck |
| 21:34.16 | Cyrannian | I try to keep my hair tidy, but it can easily become an afro when exposed to any manner of atmospheric condition |
| 21:34.32 | Wormy_ | Monet: See, its better to be away from people like that |
| 21:34.49 | Hachiman | Who calls their kid fucking Delanya |
| 21:34.59 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Better than being surrounded by cunts but then again you are on the IRC |
| 21:35.03 | Xho | #hoh |
| 21:35.17 | OluapPlayer | But I'm the biggest cunt here |
| 21:35.23 | Hachiman | But Xho, he is surrounded by cunts |
| 21:35.26 | Hachiman | He lives with his mum |
| 21:35.26 | Wormy_ | Afrowaptor |
| 21:35.32 | Monet | Hachiman: Only in AMerica |
| 21:35.43 | Xho | Everyone is a savage tonight |
| 21:35.45 | Xho | y u all do dis |
| 21:35.49 | Wormy_ | https://01.img.society6.com/society6/img/BFOmPPVrbLLrIrGwxe3zOvWIbDM/w_700,h_700/framed-prints/10x12/scoop-black/~artwork/s6-0062/a/25910908_12166923/~~/afroraptor-framed-prints.jpg |
| 21:35.52 | Hachiman | MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE |
| 21:35.55 | Hachiman | OOH YEAH |
| 21:35.57 | Wormy_ | Marvellous, its a thing |
| 21:36.00 | OluapPlayer | I'm finding the IRC somewhat cringy tonight |
| 21:36.07 | OluapPlayer | Then again I'm not in the best of moods |
| 21:36.23 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: uncanny |
| 21:36.41 | Hachiman | Wormy_: But raptors had feathers |
| 21:36.42 | Imperios | Weird |
| 21:36.48 | Xho | Well relationships are generally cringy to talk about |
| 21:37.06 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: It shaved |
| 21:37.07 | Imperios | You people consider yourselves reclusive and I generally do not, and yet I'd say you have more social interaction on average |
| 21:37.18 | Hachiman | That reminds me |
| 21:37.23 | Hachiman | Not gonna be available Sunday |
| 21:37.23 | OluapPlayer | My only social interactions happen here |
| 21:37.28 | OluapPlayer | Period |
| 21:37.29 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 21:37.33 | Xho | Heck I'm not socially reclusive by any stretch of the imagination, I'm just lazy |
| 21:37.38 | Hachiman | Got a camping trip to go to and a Monday to regret |
| 21:37.40 | Cyrannian | I'm not reclusive, I just tend not to like most people |
| 21:37.53 | Xho | That and what Cyrannian said |
| 21:38.01 | Imperios | I mean you guys go to pubs and concerts and have fun there and all that |
| 21:38.08 | Imperios | I hate both pubs and concerts |
| 21:38.28 | OluapPlayer | I don't visit places |
| 21:38.29 | Xho | Pubs are only fun when you have a large number of people in your group |
| 21:38.33 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.33 | OluapPlayer | I only leave the house when I'm forced to |
| 21:38.39 | Cyrannian | I'm not a fan of pubs either Imp, which as you can imagine, doesn't leave much else to do here |
| 21:38.58 | Imperios | Cyrannian: I have only one word to say |
| 21:39.01 | Hachiman | A friend managed to get a hold of a guy who owns some private land and is letting us use it to camp in and do what young adults usually do when they are left on their own with a load of booze and food |
| 21:39.04 | Monet | Pubs are great places to chat with friends, even if you don't drink |
| 21:39.24 | Cyrannian | I'm awaiting the word with bated breath |
| 21:39.31 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhK94idiqUY |
| 21:39.33 | Imperios | tHIS |
| 21:39.35 | Xho | I generally don't talk to many people of my age because of my comparatively unusual interests though I usually get on with people who are at least 4 years older than me |
| 21:39.35 | Imperios | This |
| 21:39.36 | Xho | tis weird |
| 21:39.39 | Imperios | You are this to your entire nation |
| 21:39.57 | Monet | My course holds a bi-annual get-together of all its students at christmastime and at the end of the year. |
| 21:40.02 | Wormy_ | Most of the people I do chat with tend to be in their 30's to 50's |
| 21:40.05 | Hachiman | Coming from a Russian who also doesn't drink |
| 21:40.11 | Imperios | I do drink |
| 21:40.13 | Wormy_ | Actually I have always had older friends |
| 21:40.19 | Cyrannian | I wish I could say that's an offensive stereotype, but nope |
| 21:40.23 | Wormy_ | I'm not totally reclusive actually |
| 21:40.39 | Monet | Cyrannian: You just did lol |
| 21:40.47 | Xho | I'm the youngest person at my place of work so my general scope of interaction is with people who are at the very least 25 |
| 21:40.48 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.50 | Xho | 23 even |
| 21:40.52 | OluapPlayer | Meanwhile I have no friends |
| 21:41.02 | Hachiman | You have a friend in me |
| 21:41.12 | OluapPlayer | This place is the closest I have to friends period |
| 21:41.19 | Monet | Half my class would rathep rlay League than g odown to the local. |
| 21:41.30 | Cyrannian | I mean, the whole stereotype that Irish people love pubs and drinking is actually pretty accurate |
| 21:41.31 | Imperios | Well |
| 21:41.32 | Wormy_ | I consider you all friends :) |
| 21:41.36 | Monet | Half my class would rather prlay League than go down to the local.* |
| 21:41.38 | Xho | Okay now I'm cringing |
| 21:41.53 | Imperios | I have like 4 friends in Russia or so |
| 21:41.56 | OluapPlayer | Man up m8 |
| 21:42.05 | Wormy_ | realises he cringed people out even here |
| 21:42.16 | Xho | I might make friends easily but I'm still not an emotional person |
| 21:42.22 | Imperios | Alyona, Vlad, the Japanese guy, a few friends from school and the like |
| 21:42.23 | Xho | great power of charm boyo |
| 21:42.26 | Imperios | Pretty much that's it |
| 21:42.32 | Wormy_ | sits in the corner |
| 21:42.52 | Hachiman | I would say my role among my friend group is that of a 'background lad'; the lad that is kept around to make other lads look better because at least they are not the background lad |
| 21:42.58 | Cyrannian | I have a shrine to Wormy in my wardrobe |
| 21:43.06 | Imperios | Why do you gather in groups anyway |
| 21:43.08 | Xho | I have a shrine to Wormy in my garden |
| 21:43.12 | Xho | They're actual worms |
| 21:43.12 | Imperios | Groups larger than four people are ew |
| 21:43.23 | Imperios | Three or four people are enough |
| 21:43.23 | Hachiman | Xho: I thought you were gonna say it was a gnome for a moment |
| 21:43.25 | Imperios | Can get to watch a movie |
| 21:43.29 | Imperios | Talk to each other and the like |
| 21:43.32 | Xho | "Wormulon the Gnome" |
| 21:43.36 | Xho | Well that's just not right |
| 21:43.49 | DrodoEmpire | KILLER WORMSTAR |
| 21:43.51 | Technobliterator | I consider every regular here a friend \o/ |
| 21:43.53 | DrodoEmpire | had to im sorry |
| 21:43.54 | Xho | Or it might be, I dunno how northerners work #kek# |
| 21:43.58 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Fucking kek |
| 21:44.03 | Wormy_ | Maybe https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/75/aa/b375aa361cb76ad61ee4be758f30e382.jpg |
| 21:44.03 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 21:44.12 | Hachiman | I dunno, he's got the beard for it and he seems like the kind of guy who would wear a funny red hat |
| 21:44.23 | Xho | And there's alcohol |
| 21:44.25 | Imperios | I think girls are more normie statistically |
| 21:44.27 | Xho | Okay Wormy is a gnome |
| 21:44.29 | Technobliterator | wat |
| 21:44.29 | OluapPlayer | Yeah now I just feel bad for myself |
| 21:44.30 | Imperios | ...Actually no |
| 21:44.34 | Imperios | Probably not |
| 21:44.53 | Wormy_ | I don't wear hats, at all. |
| 21:44.58 | Imperios | I mean if there were few non-normie girls I'd probably have no female friends |
| 21:45.00 | Hachiman | I'd have thought that gnomes that drink were just dwarves |
| 21:45.15 | Technobliterator | I have friends irl who I hang out with, but it's not a huge amount |
| 21:45.17 | Cyrannian | I tend to get along better with girls for some reason |
| 21:45.26 | Technobliterator | Yeah, that's not uncommon |
| 21:45.36 | Hachiman | I don't talk to women anymore |
| 21:45.37 | Hachiman | Dunno why and it's not like I hate them |
| 21:45.46 | Imperios | Cyrannian: "[00:45:14] <@Cyrannian> I tend to get along better with girls for some reason" |
| 21:45.50 | Imperios | I kind of understand you |
| 21:45.59 | Cyrannian | u feel me bro |
| 21:46.14 | Imperios | In my case though it is mostly because I work in women-dominated areas |
| 21:46.22 | Technobliterator | obviously it's subconscious sexism just like all hate for Ghostbusters 2016 is subconscious sexism |
| 21:46.27 | Technobliterator | you should feel ashamed and hate yourself |
| 21:46.32 | Imperios | Every fucking linguist is a girl |
| 21:46.36 | Xho | Social Jo Warrior |
| 21:46.38 | Technobliterator | and you will never be forgiven |
| 21:46.40 | Xho | remove.technobliterator |
| 21:46.40 | Imperios | Hm |
| 21:46.45 | Technobliterator | unless you whip yourself 10 times a day |
| 21:46.53 | Technobliterator | screaming "SORRY I'M A MAN" after each whip |
| 21:46.54 | Xho | REMOVE.TECHNOBLITERATOR |
| 21:46.54 | Monet | Personally I think the Irish stereotype only applies if you're one of those peopel who goes ot the pub to binge drink. The pub/bar is a universal point of social gatherig in many cultures. |
| 21:46.55 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Can you please whip me mistress |
| 21:46.58 | Imperios | ...Holy shit |
| 21:46.59 | Cyrannian | Well that's probably true in my case too, my course has relatively few people my age and most of them are women, one of whom I happened to know beforehand |
| 21:47.01 | Technobliterator | Pfffffft |
| 21:47.01 | Imperios | Tumblrina BDSM\ |
| 21:47.07 | Hachiman | I was just about to make a BDSM joke |
| 21:47.11 | Technobliterator | BDSM? |
| 21:47.16 | Hachiman | You know |
| 21:47.22 | Hachiman | Bondage, leather, whips |
| 21:47.26 | Technobliterator | I don't know Tumblr enough to know what that is : | |
| 21:47.27 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 21:47.30 | Technobliterator | it's not a tumblr thing |
| 21:47.31 | Imperios | 50 shades of gray |
| 21:47.31 | Technobliterator | bleh |
| 21:47.40 | Xho | Rihanna made a whole song on it you dunce |
| 21:47.43 | Xho | Or was that S&M |
| 21:47.44 | Xho | I forget |
| 21:47.47 | Technobliterator | I don't listen to Rihanna |
| 21:47.52 | Xho | you do now #zing |
| 21:47.53 | Imperios | I love the 50SoG theme song for some reason |
| 21:47.55 | Hachiman | BDSM is like more hardcore S&M |
| 21:47.58 | Imperios | The trailer thing |
| 21:48.02 | Technobliterator | I liked one album she did |
| 21:48.03 | Imperios | "I'M CRAZY IN LUUUURV |
| 21:48.08 | Technobliterator | But I don't generally listen to her |
| 21:48.35 | Xho | Imperios is confirmed plebeian |
| 21:48.42 | Imperios | I listen to Beyonce yes |
| 21:48.46 | Imperios | I also listen to Taylor Swift |
| 21:48.49 | Cyrannian | *the conversation has taken another random as hell twist* |
| 21:48.49 | Xho | REMOVE.IMPERIOS |
| 21:48.50 | Imperios | I also listen to Kadebostany |
| 21:48.57 | Imperios | I also listen to Britney Spears |
| 21:49.03 | Imperios | I listened to Lady Gaga |
| 21:49.03 | Technobliterator | I like a small amount of Taylor Swift songs |
| 21:49.06 | Imperios | I listen to Hyuna |
| 21:49.07 | Technobliterator | Beyonce is good, though |
| 21:49.12 | Imperios | I listen to Adele |
| 21:49.13 | Xho | I listen to |
| 21:49.14 | Xho | wait for it |
| 21:49.18 | Technobliterator | I mean, of course you listen to Hyuna |
| 21:49.20 | Hachiman | At this point, I can't tell the difference between Beyonce and Rihanna |
| 21:49.21 | Technobliterator | she's K-Pop |
| 21:49.23 | Hachiman | They're so same-y |
| 21:49.31 | Imperios | But I am not a fan of K-Pop mostly |
| 21:49.33 | Technobliterator | Uh, Beyonce and Rihanna are not samey |
| 21:49.40 | Xho | Actually what am I listening to at the moment |
| 21:49.43 | Xho | Karnivool that's it |
| 21:49.45 | Technobliterator | I mean, there's a very distinctly different tone |
| 21:49.48 | Imperios | I just know about it because of first gf |
| 21:49.51 | Monet | Hispter incoming. |
| 21:50.00 | Xho | karnivool betta dan all ur shit fuk off |
| 21:50.07 | Technobliterator | I don't really listen to most pop because it just bores me |
| 21:50.08 | Imperios | Speaking of music |
| 21:50.23 | Cyrannian | I'm not a fan of Rihanna, there's a recent song she made with the same lyric over and over that my sister is fond of repeating nonstop |
| 21:50.24 | Imperios | Does anyone else here love tango |
| 21:50.27 | Technobliterator | oh god |
| 21:50.29 | Technobliterator | I hate that song |
| 21:50.34 | Technobliterator | it's so bad |
| 21:50.38 | Hachiman | WURK WURK WURK WURK WURK WURK WURK WURK |
| 21:50.42 | Cyrannian | hur that's the one |
| 21:50.43 | Xho | DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR |
| 21:50.46 | Technobliterator | WARK WARK WARK WARK WARK |
| 21:50.48 | Technobliterator | - Chocobo song |
| 21:50.53 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 21:51.05 | Xho | Technobliterator Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB6n24ASc7w stuff this down ya throats |
| 21:51.08 | Wormy_ | Definitely part of the Reptillian agenda |
| 21:51.18 | Cyrannian | Though to be fair, I'm also not fond of the new Beyonce song |
| 21:51.23 | Hachiman | You showed me Karnivool before u dunce |
| 21:51.29 | Technobliterator | I haven't heard Beyonce's new album |
| 21:51.32 | Monet | Aside from John Bon Jovi most of my favourite musicians are dead. |
| 21:51.42 | Xho | Hachiman: That was Scarabs though |
| 21:51.43 | Technobliterator | Xho, this is really good :o |
| 21:51.58 | Xho | Best part about Karnivool? They're Strayans |
| 21:52.12 | Technobliterator | Really, other than Kendrick Lamar, I haven't gotten into any artist from this decade at all |
| 21:52.17 | Technobliterator | Kendrick is King |
| 21:52.32 | Xho | Monet: inb4 benedictine monk chanting |
| 21:52.32 | Technobliterator | To Pimp a Butterfly is one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard |
| 21:52.48 | Monet | Xho: Not that dead. |
| 21:52.56 | Hachiman | Xho: inb4 Mongolian throat singing |
| 21:53.01 | Cyrannian | I like Jazz, that's how hip I am |
| 21:53.08 | Technobliterator | I like some Jazz |
| 21:53.12 | Xho | Cyrannian: Listen to Tigran Hamasyan |
| 21:53.17 | Hachiman | I like some jizz too |
| 21:53.20 | Hachiman | Jazz |
| 21:53.21 | Cyrannian | dunt tell me what to do cretin |
| 21:53.24 | Xho | NAO |
| 21:53.31 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 21:53.41 | Monet | Actually when I'm in the mood for a little fire I'm okay with either Daft Punk or Swedish House Mafiya. |
| 21:53.42 | Technobliterator | Yes, we all know Hachi likes some jizz |
| 21:53.48 | Xho | Jizz is a music genre in Star Wars from what I remember |
| 21:53.51 | Technobliterator | Daft Punk! :o |
| 21:53.56 | Technobliterator | Daft Punk is like |
| 21:54.02 | Technobliterator | the most epic thing from modern times |
| 21:54.03 | Imperios | Tango best |
| 21:54.06 | Imperios | Neoclassical also best |
| 21:54.08 | Hachiman | But |
| 21:54.14 | Hachiman | Daft Punk aren't all that modern anymore |
| 21:54.16 | Imperios | 20th century Russian opera music also best |
| 21:54.20 | Technobliterator | I'd call them modern |
| 21:54.21 | Imperios | Military marches best |
| 21:54.30 | Hachiman | They're not from this decade though |
| 21:54.35 | Monet | "Daft Punk are soooo 2008!" |
| 21:54.37 | Technobliterator | I don't really care, I still consider the 90s modern |
| 21:54.41 | Technobliterator | they're modern to me |
| 21:54.43 | Technobliterator | muh denial |
| 21:54.53 | Technobliterator | Eminem is still modern to me |
| 21:54.55 | Technobliterator | Tupac is modern to me |
| 21:55.16 | Cyrannian | I do like this Tigran Hamasyan guy, based on 1 minute of his music |
| 21:55.22 | Hachiman | Eh, I'd not say Tupac or any of the other big rappers are modern anymore |
| 21:55.23 | Monet | Honetly I don't blame Techno. My favourite tracks aren't even from this millennium. |
| 21:55.24 | Xho | gud |
| 21:55.34 | Xho | Tigran Hamasyan's one of my favourite jazz musicians |
| 21:55.57 | Technobliterator | Biggie Smalls is still modern to me! |
| 21:55.58 | Imperios | fucking armenians everywhere |
| 21:55.59 | Cyrannian | I also randomly burst into Frank Sinatra songs |
| 21:56.31 | Technobliterator | I only say this because I like to deny the existence of any rapper other than Kendrick Lamar after OutKast split up |
| 21:56.34 | Technobliterator | that's when it died for me |
| 21:56.37 | Xho | ouch |
| 21:56.38 | Cyrannian | The lady is a tramp guise, we all know it |
| 21:57.14 | Technobliterator | oh, Kanye West, I guess I like his old music |
| 21:57.19 | Technobliterator | I can't stomach his new stuff |
| 21:57.43 | Monet | Cyrannian: And if you, should survive, when you're a hundred-and-five! Look at all you'll derive out of bein' alive!" |
| 21:58.23 | Cyrannian | Ah poor, sweet Kanye. He is too good for this world |
| 21:58.28 | Xho | I do understand why people don't like jazz though |
| 21:58.43 | Monet | More like his head is too big for this world. |
| 21:58.45 | Xho | Lots of unconventional theory shit going on |
| 21:59.11 | Technobliterator | the difference between Donald Trump and Kanye West is that they are the same |
| 21:59.19 | Cyrannian | Sounds legit |
| 21:59.38 | Monet | Though why stop at Sinatra? |
| 21:59.42 | Wormy_ | neverforget http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:MiniKanye.png |
| 21:59.49 | Monet | Give love to the whole of the Rat Pack. |
| 21:59.54 | Technobliterator | I would rather forget : | |
| 22:00.09 | Technobliterator | hey, maybe we should make Trump canon next |
| 22:00.29 | DrodoEmpire | I basically made a Drodo trump :p |
| 22:00.38 | DrodoEmpire | In the form of the last Premier to take office in the Empire |
| 22:00.44 | Xho | Ronald McDonald Trump |
| 22:01.16 | Cyrannian | Nobody would be better for SporeWiki than Donald Trump. I guarantee it. |
| 22:02.26 | Hachiman | https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13226794_238257866551169_1529713255358844028_n.jpg?oh=d29aa00c19c62c4d3d039082a721ce03&oe=57D10390 |
| 22:02.30 | Technobliterator | we will build a giant wall |
| 22:02.33 | Technobliterator | it will be the greatest wall ever |
| 22:02.37 | Technobliterator | and Sims Wiki will pay for it |
| 22:02.41 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:02.46 | Cyrannian | olol |
| 22:04.06 | Technobliterator | the problem is, there are too many illegal anons |
| 22:04.09 | Technobliterator | they're vandals |
| 22:04.13 | Technobliterator | and some, I assume, are good editors |
| 22:04.29 | Xho | we must build a wall |
| 22:06.52 | Wormy_ | https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12479122_201613280190934_893879248_n.jpg |
| 22:08.31 | Xho | Well that's terrifying |
| 22:08.38 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.57 | Wormy_ | Trump deported everyone from the chat. |
| 22:13.30 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:13.51 | Imperios | But |
| 22:13.53 | Imperios | I am ot a Muslim |
| 22:14.21 | Cyrannian | But we don't know that Imp. Show us your birth certificate. |
| 22:14.47 | Imperios | I WAS BORN IN HAWAII |
| 22:14.52 | Imperios | I SWEAR |
| 22:14.54 | Tek0516 | Imperios: But you are a damn commie. |
| 22:15.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:15.37 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 22:15.41 | Cyrannian | A Kenyan Muslim commie at that |
| 22:17.06 | Wormy_ | Ooh |
| 22:17.45 | Imperios | runs away really fast while chanting the shahada to the tune of the Internationale |
| 22:18.13 | Imperios | La i-i-i-i-i-i-ilah i la-ha i-i-i-i-ill-alllah, muhaaaaaaaaammad rasul al allaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 22:18.15 | Wormy_ | Cultural appropriation :tusk: :tusk: |
| 22:18.49 | Wormy_ | sends Tumblrinas after Imperios |
| 22:19.00 | Imperios | I AM A PERSON OF COLOUR |
| 22:19.12 | Imperios | I CAN SHARE IN WITH OTHER CULTURES DUE TO OUR SHARED OPPRESSION |
| 22:19.21 | Imperios | NEVERMIND THAT MY PEOPLE WERE USUALLY OPPRESSED BY NON-WHITE PEOPLE |
| 22:19.29 | Wormy_ | Hm, didn't think that one through |
| 22:19.38 | DrodoEmpire | Man, this stuff is hard! |
| 22:20.25 | DrodoEmpire | Its almost like its nonsense <.< |
| 22:21.06 | Imperios | That made me think |
| 22:21.13 | Imperios | Remember the "Culture not costume" thing? |
| 22:21.26 | Wormy_ | Kinda |
| 22:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, somewhat |
| 22:21.55 | Imperios | I wonder if I could go to Halloween as a European stereotype |
| 22:22.03 | Imperios | Like an Octoberfest burger or something |
| 22:22.07 | Imperios | Would that be weird |
| 22:22.40 | Wormy_ | What stereotype would you pick? |
| 22:22.43 | DrodoEmpire | I doubt the regressive types would care considering its from a European culture and they're obsessed with double standards |
| 22:23.12 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/images/2011/04/B191/05.jpg |
| 22:23.22 | DrodoEmpire | It seems to kill them to actually apply their nonsense equally :p |
| 22:23.31 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 22:23.44 | Imperios | TBH Americans dressing like Amerindians is a bit... unsensitive |
| 22:24.04 | Imperios | Like if my grandfather killed some nation en masse I'd probably not mock them |
| 22:24.15 | Imperios | *slaughtered members of a certain ethnos |
| 22:24.31 | Monet | America seems to be doing it out of some national guilt |
| 22:24.35 | Wormy_ | Perhaps go as these https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13002508_669722416512801_4488925146614666917_o.jpg |
| 22:24.43 | Monet | "we slaughtered you all but we love you really, see?" |
| 22:24.52 | DrodoEmpire | Well the people choosing to do that didn't themselves kill any natives :p Why do they bear the guilt? |
| 22:25.01 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.18 | Imperios | Not the guilt but like that would be a bit rude |
| 22:25.24 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Because sins of the fathers. |
| 22:25.36 | DrodoEmpire | They can understand what happened, but that shouldn't mean they are somehow guilty of it by some weird inheritance, nor should it stop them from doing something silly |
| 22:26.17 | DrodoEmpire | Right, but offense is taken, not given. :p if people want to dress in a way that *might* provoke some people they should be allowed to |
| 22:26.58 | Wormy_ | The offense is understandable, though |
| 22:27.32 | Wormy_ | Especially when symbols of oppression get used out of context |
| 22:27.34 | DrodoEmpire | I know much about the history of north america, including the native americans. They're a strong group of people and I don't think it'll be a bunch of headdresses that'll be the killing blow :p |
| 22:28.29 | Monet | True |
| 22:28.48 | Monet | It might be more a regressive left thing. |
| 22:28.49 | Wormy_ | I don't have any strong opinions on the matter. |
| 22:29.09 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: No, I don't think the offense is at all understandable personally. Its no worse or better than any other silly ethnic stereotype |
| 22:29.15 | Xho | Beer's good tho |
| 22:30.27 | Wormy_ | I can understand when symbols get used out of context and it dampens the meaning of that symbol, but at the same time I believe in the openness between cultures. I certainly don't want people telling me I can't do yoga or something like that. |
| 22:31.30 | Cyrannian | Personally, as a white male, I don't think I'm in a position to understand how a member of a persecuted group, either in the past or in the modern day, feels about such things. |
| 22:31.56 | Wormy_ | Yeah, and they are perfectly entitled to express their opinion on the matter. |
| 22:33.01 | Monet | Well there might be ways to encourage how it may feel though analogy. |
| 22:33.42 | Monet | I'm a man, does that mean I'm in no position to understand what giving birth must feel like? |
| 22:34.29 | DrodoEmpire | CYrannian, I totally disagree. I can understand what their experience is through personal testimony from them, and also statistics and actual data. :p |
| 22:34.42 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.43 | DrodoEmpire | I don't subscribe to the nonsensical "priviliege" theories |
| 22:35.03 | DrodoEmpire | It doesn't matter to me, wear what you wish. :p |
| 22:35.25 | Wormy_ | Maybe, but there is a loaded context and meaning to things like that. |
| 22:35.31 | Monet | We've all been bullied, so all of us have experience what its like to be singled out and outcast for a particular reason one had little control over. |
| 22:36.00 | DrodoEmpire | It shouldn't matter to others, but that's their business. |
| 22:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | And here's the thing with all of this that bothers me- Its all *extremely* subjective and feelings-based |
| 22:36.41 | Wormy_ | Unfortunately, that's what much of social society is built on. |
| 22:36.42 | DrodoEmpire | I don't feel like I am obligated to feel about the feelings of others, everybody is responsible for their own feelings |
| 22:36.48 | ImpyDroid | Dreadlocks are not exclusive to black people |
| 22:36.53 | ImpyDroid | Indians |
| 22:37.10 | Wormy_ | Thatsa true, Indian Saddhus and even Jewish peoples |
| 22:37.36 | DrodoEmpire | Nor do I think cultural appropriation is bad- Its the transfer of cultural traits from one group to another and at its worst hurts some feelings |
| 22:38.24 | DrodoEmpire | I can understand why someone might be a bit upset by having something sacred to them used in a way they don't like, but what I have to say to them is, well, you have every right to feel that way but that's all you have I'm afraid |
| 22:39.05 | Wormy_ | Yeah, but would you say that to someone who has less opportunities than you do? |
| 22:39.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, actually, because I apply my principles equally. |
| 22:40.14 | DrodoEmpire | Mostly because their opportunities for employment have little to nothing to do with this conversation |
| 22:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | Or opportunities elsewhere |
| 22:40.29 | Wormy_ | It does, for them though. |
| 22:40.40 | DrodoEmpire | How so? |
| 22:40.53 | DrodoEmpire | And how is it harmful for traits of their culture to diffuse outward? |
| 22:41.08 | DrodoEmpire | Is that not how cultures evolve and learn to understand eachother? |
| 22:41.13 | Wormy_ | I don't think you can possibly understand or even argue for cultural appropriation unless you understand what they are on about. |
| 22:41.36 | DrodoEmpire | Is that addressed to me? Because I do understand cultural appropriatio |
| 22:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | *n |
| 22:42.24 | DrodoEmpire | I simply disagree with some others on the issue |
| 22:42.35 | Wormy_ | You understand cultural appropriation, but what do you understand of the context of that culture and all those meanings and symbols> |
| 22:43.56 | DrodoEmpire | Again, you're assuming that the phenomenon is harmful, and that it makes "less pure" the involved cultures |
| 22:44.18 | Wormy_ | I think that's the core of the issue. Not all appropriation is bad, I agree. For example cultures proper when they are open to each other, and it can foster new forms of creativity. Especially when that context is respectful. But there is another kind of appropriation where those symbols are deeply ingrained in a culture's psychr |
| 22:44.32 | Wormy_ | *prosper |
| 22:44.45 | ImpyDroid | I wouldn't say cultural appropriation is morally wrong objectively |
| 22:44.54 | ImpyDroid | But subjectively it can be stupid |
| 22:45.00 | DrodoEmpire | Right, this is all really subjective and unsubstantiated Wormy_ |
| 22:45.28 | Wormy_ | But not irrelevant if we are to understand it properly |
| 22:46.00 | Wormy_ | I know an example that applies to Western society |
| 22:46.08 | DrodoEmpire | Again, yes, people can appropriate a piece of, say, material culture and use it in some way people might find offensive. How does that damage the integrity of the people who truly believe in that culture? |
| 22:46.14 | DrodoEmpire | Or the culture itself? |
| 22:46.30 | DrodoEmpire | It just seems like foolishness that people take too seriously |
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| 22:46.56 | ImpyDroid | Hi Tybu |
| 22:47.09 | ImpyDroid | We were just talking about cultural appropriation |
| 22:48.15 | Xho | none of it matters in the face of the void (´ã»Ïã»ï½) |
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| 22:48.46 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.14 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, I'll say this and this'll be my piece- Cultural Appropriation is basically just the process of cultural traits exchanging and diffusing inside of a culture. This can be productive and "respectful", mindful of the full deepness of the culture, it can be entirely a practical use of material culture, or it can be some silly, stupid thing that people do that might offend some people |
| 22:49.46 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Stop appropriating Shiarchon religious traditions you shitlord |
| 22:50.03 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think that this phenomenon is directly *harmful* to cultures, because ultimately how does a parodied or lighthearted use of a cultural symbol shake the resolve of the adherents? |
| 22:50.17 | DrodoEmpire | or do I think "cultural purity" is important- Cultures evolve by interacting with others |
| 22:50.24 | DrodoEmpire | *nor do I think |
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| 22:51.20 | Wormy__ | Right, what I'm trying to discuss is the "stupid thing that people do that might offend some people". The harm here is when those symbols lose their meaning, thus robbing that minority of A) something to stand out of the mold (which we all want and should have) B) something to express their current problems |
| 22:51.25 | Cyrannian_ | What was the last thing I said, guise |
| 22:51.33 | Wormy__ | I disconned as well |
| 22:52.59 | Technobliterator | it was like ages ago |
| 22:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy__: That isn't necessarily true- People aren't children, they can see things both as a goody stereotype at one time and understand its importance another. Food is something commonly satirized regarding ethnic groups, yet its still something still used to express a culture and is often still respected in the right scenarios |
| 22:53.11 | Technobliterator | <Cyrannian> Personally, as a white male, I don't think I'm in a position to understand how a member of a persecuted group, either in the past or in the modern day, feels about such things. |
| 22:53.14 | Technobliterator | Think that was it? |
| 22:53.22 | Cyrannian_ | That was a while ago |
| 22:53.23 | DrodoEmpire | *goofy stereotype |
| 22:53.29 | Wormy__ | Now I do agree with you on the way that "stupid thing that people do that might offend some people" can go way too far. It should never be authoritarian, and it can way too far (resembling cultural Marxism or something like that where everything becomes a symbol of oppression and facts are lost). I certainly don't think eating Mexian food and doing Yoga is harmful. |
| 22:53.47 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:54.34 | DrodoEmpire | And like I said this isn't to say that the offense-taking is necessarily invalid in response to satire of a cultural trait- you're allowed to feel that way and I'm sure you have reason to |
| 22:54.44 | DrodoEmpire | Not that I'd understand as I don't take offense |
| 22:54.47 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:55.04 | Cyrannian_ | But yes, the whole AWM archetype irks me |
| 22:55.11 | DrodoEmpire | At that point, if one feels that a symbol is being overly trivialized they should perhaps "retake" it and make it more serious again |
| 22:55.30 | DrodoEmpire | Like what happened with the Indian Headdress, for example (though i disagree with a lot of the specifics there) |
| 22:55.42 | DrodoEmpire | This can be done *without* violating anybody's rights |
| 22:55.52 | DrodoEmpire | Or preventing people from doing anything |
| 22:56.37 | Cyrannian_ | There is a mod I came across in Stellaris that some guy made (I'm not sure if it's a joke or not) in which he got rid of the potentiality for non-white male leaders, because that really sticks it to the gay black feminist agenda |
| 22:56.51 | Wormy__ | Yet people are like infantile children when trends spread. A few years ago in the UK it became a trend to wear Jesus nailed on the cross. The Jesus symbol became sexualised in many examples, to the offence of Christians. And what for? It was just a mindless trend, and only people benefiting were companies. |
| 22:57.20 | ImpyDroid | Ew |
| 22:57.22 | ImpyDroid | EW |
| 22:57.25 | DrodoEmpire | Cyrannian: Sorta funny, actually. :p |
| 22:57.25 | ImpyDroid | EW EW EW |
| 22:58.25 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy__: Except people understood this was a childish joke. :p |
| 22:58.26 | Cyrannian_ | I found it sad that someone would waste time on doing it when they could have been writing incoherent YouTube comments |
| 22:59.02 | DrodoEmpire | They didn't then hate or scoff at Christians for it, surely |
| 22:59.07 | Wormy__ | I don't even think people buying it put any effort of thought into it |
| 23:00.03 | Wormy__ | So maybe their needs are less important *puts on Tumblr glasses* |
| 23:00.14 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:01.56 | Technobliterator | Wormy__, when will you be able to finish the Milky Way front? :o |
| 23:02.05 | DrodoEmpire | But that died away and the only casualties were offended religious folk :p It was a childish thing, it didn't come anywhere close to harming Christianity in Britain |
| 23:02.09 | Technobliterator | Titanozor vs Hagto'Zhl plz |
| 23:02.43 | Wormy__ | I really don't know anymore, I was hoping to have it written 2 weeks ago, but I've got too much to do. Maybe before the end of May, maybe |
| 23:02.51 | DrodoEmpire | Which is the essence of my point, which is that the harm done by this sort of shit is overstated. Can it go too far? Maybe, yes. |
| 23:03.11 | DrodoEmpire | And is it immature? Yeah, but people are allowed to be immature |
| 23:03.18 | Technobliterator | End of May works for me |
| 23:03.23 | Technobliterator | In two weeks time? |
| 23:03.36 | Wormy__ | Hopefully |
| 23:04.02 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 23:04.12 | Wormy__ | Drodo: Well this circles back to the fact I don't really have any strong opinions on the matter. The trend died away, like you said |
| 23:04.24 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 23:14.39 | Wormy__ | Personally, I probably wouldn't want to wear something that makes me look ignorant. If I see people acting in blatant ignorance, I cannot tell if they are joking in poor taste or simply ignorant. If I see people walking up to a house party in Nazi costume, how do I know (and perhaps even feel threatened by) they are not some far right group? |
| 23:15.01 | Wormy__ | Thats another complication |
| 23:17.15 | DrodoEmpire | Well again that's you and not them |
| 23:17.32 | DrodoEmpire | Its alright to feel that way- If they're dressing up as nazis that might be the intended reaction |
| 23:18.59 | DrodoEmpire | Again, offense is taken, not given. You can do things that'll probably make people take offense, but ultimately its up to the offense-taker |
| 23:20.44 | Wormy__ | Its more than offence though, why should I (or anyone) be made to feel threatened by prats? I can't really apply this to myself, but some people are threatened with violence almost daily, or bullied because of their race, disability and so on. |
| 23:21.37 | Wormy__ | I think for those reasons there are laws against dressing in Nazi costume, at least here |
| 23:22.03 | DrodoEmpire | Again- feelings. Feelings, feelings, feelings. If you feel threatened by people dressing up as nazis for some reason, then don't associate with them. If they begin to harass you *then* you have a case |
| 23:22.23 | DrodoEmpire | As for people actually being *threatened*, that's *entirely different* |
| 23:22.40 | Wormy__ | Its difficult to not associate with people if you are surrounded by that kind of thing/ |
| 23:22.40 | DrodoEmpire | There's a difference between feeling intimidated and actually being threatened by someone |
| 23:23.02 | Wormy__ | But how would tell the difference? |
| 23:23.18 | Wormy__ | At least momentarily |
| 23:23.43 | DrodoEmpire | How can you tell the difference? Its easy- If someone enters a room and they seem threatening but've done nothing to you other than maybe a dirty look, you're just intimidated |
| 23:23.59 | DrodoEmpire | On the other hand, if they actually say they'll do something to you and they're serious, that's a threat |
| 23:24.38 | DrodoEmpire | As for it being momentary, that doesn't matter- Police aren't called and cases aren't solved in a moment either. Give yourself time to think it over |
| 23:24.57 | DrodoEmpire | Instinctive feelings aren't great things to go by in some situations |
| 23:26.34 | DrodoEmpire | So I'll say this- No, its not good to ban or restrict peoples' activities just because you have some vague feeling of being threatened. |
| 23:26.51 | Wormy__ | So... Lets say you are part of an ethnic minority, not necessarily even a Western country. Walking down the street to the local shop. You are frequently physically and verbally abused by some far right gangs. Then one day you see some pratts dressed as or like a far right gang, and you flee. That's a miserable way to live. Its an extreme example and one could make any, for any context. But thats why we can't make consistent ar |
| 23:26.58 | DrodoEmpire | If their activities involve directly threatening you, or they otherwise put your safety at risk, that's an entirely different matter |
| 23:27.37 | DrodoEmpire | Again, that's entirely different and banning that style of dress won't help |
| 23:27.47 | DrodoEmpire | That's *actually being threatened and harmed* |
| 23:28.37 | Wormy__ | Maybe, but because many people do live under fear like that, they might come across these situations more than you or I. That's all I want to say. |
| 23:28.54 | DrodoEmpire | Well fine, and I feel sympathy for their plight |
| 23:29.05 | DrodoEmpire | But that's a different situation than the one you originally described |
| 23:29.29 | DrodoEmpire | Where some people dressed like nazis |
| 23:29.45 | Cyrannian | If it was a Western country, the person should just realise that the civil rights era worked and now everything is totally fine. It's all in their head |
| 23:30.38 | DrodoEmpire | Right, I'm given to believe that's directed at me |
| 23:30.43 | DrodoEmpire | And that's a strawman, first off |
| 23:30.50 | DrodoEmpire | And doesn't relate whatsoever to my argument |
| 23:30.58 | Cyrannian | https://media.giphy.com/media/u52gRNybAmAy4/giphy.gif |
| 23:31.30 | DrodoEmpire | That doesn't change the fact its a strawman and a non sequitur. :p |
| 23:34.12 | DrodoEmpire | And, yes, I do stand by my position that how somebody feels about a given situation shouldn't be given too much weight when compared to actual facts and statistics- How people feel *can* be an important and humanizing reflection of the circumstances, though |
| 23:38.03 | Wormy__ | Personally, I'm not arguing against appropriation. Ideas and culture should be open, but I still think society is better when appropriated things are done in the right context. Even satire and black comedy is fine by my opinion, especially when it makes fun equalli. Like that South Park episode about immigrants from the future, really taking a piss out of redneck stereotype. |
| 23:38.19 | Wormy__ | *equally |
| 23:39.04 | DrodoEmpire | Right, I agree. I think *any* sort of speech is fine so long as it isn't killing, threatening, or harming anybody |
| 23:39.27 | DrodoEmpire | And I also agree how trivializing things has the potential to be harmful, of course |
| 23:40.59 | Wormy__ | Then there's this guy, who argued culture is not your friend anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAGxjOr3vYA |
| 23:43.15 | DrodoEmpire | Its a fascinating speech so far |
| 23:44.20 | Wormy__ | He was a very unconventional philosopher (sounds like a crank at first, but he has insights amongst it all) |
| 23:44.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I can understand his point |
| 23:46.10 | DrodoEmpire | Somehow I find it fitting that buddy who uploaded it's profile picture is that of the GMan. <.< |
| 23:46.16 | Wormy__ | Good article about him http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/was-psychedelic-guru-terence-mckenna-goofing-about-2012-prophecy/ |
| 23:51.22 | Wormy__ | And he had great stories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyQKz7r60W4 |
| 23:54.49 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I've heard of the theory that psychedelics lead to the "great leap forward" in human intelligence |
| 23:55.01 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno how I feel about it, but its at least as good as any other theory |
| 23:56.52 | Wormy__ | If not human intelligence, maybe it can help unlock the subconscious and explore the psyche, as meditation and other techniques can, only much faster |
| 23:57.37 | Wormy__ | or use of altered states to gain insights and so on |
| 23:58.01 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
