| 00:03.54 | dino82_ | :d |
| 00:08.30 | DrodoEmpire | Its okay :D |
| 00:12.53 | *** join/#sporewiki TheDinoHunter (6bdc385b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.220.56.91) |
| 00:13.14 | dino82_ | anything going on at the wiki? |
| 00:13.48 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, a few things |
| 00:14.00 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Commonwealth_Civil_War - Charles is working on this |
| 00:14.32 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADrodo_Empire - I've worked on this |
| 00:17.41 | dino82_ | oh checking it out |
| 00:18.30 | dino82_ | oh wow a new conflicht eh? |
| 00:18.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah a short civil war in a French colony |
| 00:19.50 | dino82_ | neat! |
| 00:31.45 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Tahai - Fresh new page <.< |
| 00:32.28 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen AnonyLurk |
| 00:32.29 | infobot | anonylurk <44048e73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.4.142.115> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 3d 1h 15m 47s ago, saying: 'Everyone's dead, but you killed them too.'. |
| 00:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | Though he was gone longer |
| 00:32.45 | DrodoEmpire | *thought |
| 00:32.49 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen Aeo |
| 00:32.49 | infobot | aeo <ad1367c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.19.103.199> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 129d 5h 3m 41s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 00:33.13 | DrodoEmpire | Now that sounds about right <.< |
| 00:36.41 | dino82_ | Nice Planet Drodo! Sounds like an interessting planet |
| 00:37.04 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks |
| 00:37.20 | DrodoEmpire | If you wish to use it as a setting for a fiction story, just ask |
| 00:37.26 | DrodoEmpire | Or if you have any suggestions |
| 00:38.22 | TheDinoHunter | It looks like a good setting for a story revolving around a bounty hunter |
| 00:40.22 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 00:42.36 | dino82_ | idd! |
| 00:42.40 | dino82_ | Lots of that in the Gigaquadrant |
| 00:44.31 | TheDinoHunter | I already have a character that could be involved in a bounty hunter story http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tarena_Maana |
| 00:45.03 | TheDinoHunter | I'm filled with ideas! |
| 00:48.23 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (2f37c5db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.55.197.219) |
| 00:48.54 | TheDinoHunter | welcome back |
| 00:51.35 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 00:52.39 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy__ (02184654@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.24.70.84) |
| 00:52.50 | DrodoEmpire | HI |
| 00:52.51 | DrodoEmpire | *Hi |
| 01:03.10 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.08 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.34 | dino82_ | hi wormy! |
| 01:04.42 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 01:04.52 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, dear. |
| 01:05.21 | TheDinoHunter | I hope your dog gets better |
| 01:05.33 | Wormy__ | I'm not sure if he is out of the woods or not |
| 01:05.37 | Wormy__ | thanks |
| 01:06.01 | TheDinoHunter | you're welcome |
| 01:06.25 | Wormy__ | whippets are quite fragile dogs |
| 01:11.03 | dino82_ | Oh hope it gets better soon! |
| 01:16.56 | TheDinoHunter | Bye |
| 01:19.15 | dino82_ | bye |
| 01:23.27 | Wormy__ | bye |
| 01:57.17 | Tek0516 | ~tesg |
| 01:57.22 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 01:57.22 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny |
| 02:01.49 | DrodoEmpire | savage |
| 02:19.32 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:9526:eaa5:637a:bada) |
| 02:19.32 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 02:43.54 | *** join/#sporewiki Hellrock (43b553e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.181.83.224) |
| 06:25.33 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:9526:eaa5:637a:bada) |
| 06:25.33 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 07:15.20 | *** join/#sporewiki Ghelae (05974410@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.68.16) |
| 07:15.20 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Ghelae] by ChanServ |
| 07:38.42 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@host-99-158-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 07:41.13 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-99-158-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 08:05.33 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@195.19.236.96) |
| 08:07.40 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@195.19.236.96) |
| 08:28.35 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-35-158-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 08:51.31 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0cd9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.205.157) |
| 09:15.23 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@195.19.236.96) |
| 09:21.25 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-35-158-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 10:07.51 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (02184654@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.24.70.84) |
| 10:07.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 10:17.22 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:18.35 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@host-35-156-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 10:39.23 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-35-156-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 11:14.37 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 11:16.42 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: The DCP is under attack by Roreinians http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets?diff=prev&oldid=712488 |
| 11:21.58 | Wormy_ | Fresh from the Kraw galaxy |
| 11:22.27 | ImpyDroid | Maybe it is Irsk in disguise |
| 11:23.35 | Wormy_ | " we will reward them by terraforming all coloniies to rife T3" |
| 11:23.37 | Wormy_ | Nah |
| 11:24.06 | Wormy_ | Unless he has become a staunch green-environmentalist |
| 11:25.57 | Wormy_ | I am beginning to feel the chilli pizza move through my lower bowels |
| 11:27.57 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 11:40.29 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 11:40.29 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 11:55.13 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:02.49 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (5aff2319@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.255.35.25) |
| 12:02.50 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:03.21 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:05.27 | ImpyDroid2 | Hi |
| 12:05.44 | ImpyDroid2 | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets?diff=prev&oldid=712488 Help |
| 12:06.14 | ImpyDroid2 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mandragoras?useskin=oasis What is this guy doing even |
| 12:06.18 | OluapPlayer | What in fuck's name |
| 12:06.24 | OluapPlayer | I've seen his page but |
| 12:06.43 | OluapPlayer | Why would he think posting a portuguese quote on an english page is a good idea? |
| 12:06.55 | ImpyDroid2 | He is making entire pages in Portuguese |
| 12:08.05 | OluapPlayer | Full retard |
| 12:08.12 | OluapPlayer | I see you already spoke to him though |
| 12:12.12 | ImpyDroid2 | Not sure if he can understand me |
| 12:12.21 | ImpyDroid2 | Could you translate my message to him? |
| 12:12.30 | ImpyDroid2 | for him even |
| 12:13.15 | OluapPlayer | If he doesn't understand it, I will |
| 12:13.26 | ImpyDroid2 | alrigtht |
| 12:13.28 | OluapPlayer | But the link to the portuguese wiki should speak for itself |
| 12:17.06 | ImpyDroid2 | Hachiman: New user acting stupid, react and do something |
| 12:17.50 | Hachiman | I don't feel like telling a monkey off for getting its crap on the walls today |
| 12:18.15 | OluapPlayer | Indeed, god save the queen |
| 12:18.25 | Hachiman | im anti-monarchy u |
| 12:18.50 | OluapPlayer | also anti-wiki editing by the looks of things |
| 12:19.01 | Hachiman | ;-; |
| 12:28.15 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@host-40-157-66-217.spbmts.ru) |
| 12:34.36 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.41 | ImpyDroid | WHAT A DAY, WHAT A LOVELY DAY |
| 12:35.20 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (7cbb4344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.187.67.68) |
| 12:35.26 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 12:35.37 | AdmiralPanda | I may have expied Liberty Prime in a Star Wars RP |
| 12:37.51 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:54.11 | *** join/#sporewiki Jepardi (591b4d42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.27.77.66) |
| 12:54.12 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 13:05.51 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ortan_Cassius This guy would be cooler if he wasn't an Ultramarine |
| 13:06.37 | ImpyDroid | True that |
| 13:07.28 | AdmiralPanda | literally any Ultramarine would be cooler if he wasn't an Ultramarine |
| 13:35.26 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: I was thinking of making a page for Nosfer. Do you reckon that is his actual name or is it an alias? |
| 13:35.45 | ImpyDroid | Name I guess |
| 13:36.01 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 13:36.11 | OluapPlayer | Can you give me an Ordnung-y surname? |
| 13:36.17 | ImpyDroid | Also, if you are making a page for him, we could as well remake his backstory |
| 13:36.19 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
| 13:36.26 | OluapPlayer | Sure |
| 13:38.57 | ImpyDroid | Nosfer of Sweartham |
| 13:39.41 | OluapPlayer | That worosk |
| 13:39.43 | OluapPlayer | works even |
| 13:40.37 | Hachiman | i swear fam |
| 13:41.47 | OluapPlayer | [ban] |
| 13:41.51 | ImpyDroid | Ordnung being old fucks, I imagine he could be one of the oldest vampires in the clan |
| 13:44.18 | OluapPlayer | Could be yeah |
| 13:44.20 | ImpyDroid | Maybe Zran actually stole him from Alar'xashan somehow |
| 13:44.35 | OluapPlayer | What do you want changed in his backstory? |
| 13:44.49 | ImpyDroid | Like "lose this game and I will steal your greatest fleshweaver" |
| 13:45.08 | ImpyDroid | Well the part about him living in a Klaxxa city could be dealt with |
| 13:46.54 | OluapPlayer | It'd not be the first time Zran Kar doublecrosses a Simulacrum |
| 13:46.56 | OluapPlayer | What's a fleshweaver? |
| 13:48.14 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid2 (~Anders@95.140.92.20) |
| 13:48.40 | ImpyDroid2 | Since the Ordnung are now established to have been fairly geeky themselves |
| 13:48.50 | ImpyDroid2 | He could be an Ordnung fleshweaver or something |
| 13:49.09 | ImpyDroid2 | Like shaping flesh and creating various monsters with majik |
| 13:50.15 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 13:50.26 | OluapPlayer | That might be how he created all the things he's said to have created then |
| 13:50.57 | ImpyDroid2 | Hm |
| 13:51.10 | ImpyDroid2 | Did he do any engineering in the established stories? |
| 13:53.13 | OluapPlayer | In stories, no |
| 13:53.27 | OluapPlayer | But he created the Sarigandacs, Golem and Dornmuunon at least |
| 13:56.13 | ImpyDroid2 | As in something mechanical as opposed to biological |
| 13:56.47 | Hachiman | Don't think so |
| 13:57.47 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
| 13:57.54 | OluapPlayer | No, all biological |
| 13:58.29 | ImpyDroid2 | right |
| 13:58.52 | ImpyDroid2 | ...Then the whole "studying Klaxxa engineering" thing was redundant to begin with hur |
| 13:59.33 | OluapPlayer | Well I imagined he used machines to do all this |
| 13:59.37 | OluapPlayer | Frankenstein style and all |
| 13:59.53 | OluapPlayer | But if he's some sort of flesh mage then that might not be necessary |
| 14:00.10 | Hachiman | Flesh mage |
| 14:00.15 | Hachiman | That sounds fucking terrifying |
| 14:01.38 | ImpyDroid2 | Could be using machines together with magic |
| 14:01.50 | ImpyDroid2 | Maybe that is how he became a vampire to begin with? |
| 14:02.27 | OluapPlayer | If you mean that attracted vampires to him, maybe |
| 14:02.27 | ImpyDroid2 | Like he wanted to experiment with flesh magic beyond what was allowed in the Kingdom and ended up striking a bargain with Zran'Kar |
| 14:02.44 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 14:02.47 | OluapPlayer | Yeah that's possible |
| 14:02.49 | ImpyDroid2 | To get more access to forbidden knowledge and relative freedom of action |
| 14:05.12 | OluapPlayer | I'm guessing he was then kicked out of the Kingdom for doing that |
| 14:06.02 | ImpyDroid2 | Pretty much |
| 14:06.09 | ImpyDroid2 | "HERETIC" and all that |
| 14:07.15 | OluapPlayer | How old should he be? |
| 14:09.06 | *** join/#sporewiki Tek0516 (uid149600@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzixnftlkqnlnnii) |
| 14:14.31 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 14:14.31 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 14:14.33 | OluapPlayer | Goddamnit |
| 14:20.29 | ImpyDroid2 | OluapPlayer: Fairly ancient I'd say, around the same age as Varelos |
| 14:21.23 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 14:21.44 | OluapPlayer | He's probably the oldest vampire around who's not a pureblood then |
| 14:23.24 | ImpyDroid2 | Nosfer - WHIPPERSNAPPERS |
| 14:38.59 | *** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian (uid97882@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojkjlxpqiuugadfd) |
| 14:38.59 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ |
| 14:39.47 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.20) |
| 14:40.41 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 14:42.52 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 14:42.52 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
| 14:43.11 | Cyrannian | ~smash OluapPlayer |
| 14:43.11 | infobot | ACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction |
| 15:38.13 | Tek0516 | I need to find something to do in RP. |
| 16:08.05 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 16:08.05 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 16:35.09 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 16:35.09 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.31 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmopKbwZUQA Real Warcraft |
| 17:01.03 | OluapPlayer | Next WoW expansion is looking good |
| 17:37.18 | OluapPlayer | dead IRC yet again |
| 17:43.36 | *** join/#sporewiki Monet (~Monet47@cpc90522-gill20-2-0-cust960.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:43.55 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:46.21 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 17:49.50 | Monet | Alright, cool E3 dates are here |
| 17:50.18 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 17:50.26 | OluapPlayer | What are the dates? |
| 17:51.25 | Monet | June 12th-June 14th |
| 17:52.48 | OluapPlayer | Less than a month too go |
| 17:52.51 | OluapPlayer | to |
| 17:53.09 | Monet | In PDT times we have (June 12) EA 1pm, Bethesda 7pm, (June 13) Microsoft 9:30am, Ubisoft 1pm, Playstation 6pm and June 14 we have Nintendo 9am |
| 17:55.01 | OluapPlayer | Same companies as last year |
| 17:57.37 | Monet | True. Though most of those have this as a regular thing |
| 17:57.59 | Monet | Bethesda I think is the most recent addition. |
| 17:58.12 | Wormy_ | Gosh, I remember even the one 2 years ago like it was recent. |
| 17:59.15 | OluapPlayer | Last year was the first time I stopped and watched an entire E3 event |
| 17:59.25 | OluapPlayer | Time flies, though, it feels like it only just happened |
| 18:01.05 | Wormy_ | The way time feels like it speeds up depresses me. |
| 18:01.15 | OluapPlayer | Almost time to see grown men being cringy to audiences again |
| 18:01.25 | Wormy_ | Hah hah lol |
| 18:01.41 | Wormy_ | EA in suits and blabbering on about cars again |
| 18:02.09 | Monet | Wormy_: Keep your mind on the present, and do not lose yourself i nwhat was and what will be. |
| 18:02.38 | Wormy_ | I try, but thats nearly impossible in the university way of life |
| 18:02.39 | OluapPlayer | We got Pelé last year, maybe they'll have another football celeb on stage |
| 18:03.09 | OluapPlayer | Because ~videogames?~ |
| 18:04.22 | Monet | He was talking about FIFA 2016 iirc |
| 18:05.14 | Technobliterator | I'm hyped for Sony's |
| 18:05.19 | Monet | Although I get it. WHen has FIFa ever innovated? |
| 18:07.03 | Monet | Hopefully this year they won't spend so long o ntheir other non-videogame related products. |
| 18:07.45 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEIzOB0PQMM - Awkward E3 moments |
| 18:08.15 | Monet | Aaand you just reminded me of last year's "bloodporn" 5 minute meme. |
| 18:08.57 | Monet | Or was that the year before? |
| 18:09.28 | OluapPlayer | I don't remember anything like that |
| 18:10.37 | Monet | Basically when SOny introduced Bloodborne, their announcer's accent made it sound like "blood porn". Twitch chat took that and ran with it. |
| 18:11.15 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 18:11.53 | OluapPlayer | Bloodborne was already out at this time last year |
| 18:11.58 | OluapPlayer | So it was probably at 2014 |
| 18:12.06 | Monet | probably |
| 18:12.28 | Monet | This'll only be my Third E3 |
| 18:12.47 | Technobliterator | What games do you reckon they'll announce this year? |
| 18:13.10 | Technobliterator | I reckon Spore 2 and Jak 4 because it finally makes sense for lol even I can't finish that sentence with a straight face |
| 18:13.22 | OluapPlayer | Spore 2 isn't happening hur |
| 18:13.38 | OluapPlayer | I have no expectations on any of the companies |
| 18:13.41 | Monet | Spore's dead. EA would rather milk the Sims some more. |
| 18:13.43 | Technobliterator | I still believe! |
| 18:13.48 | Technobliterator | I still belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve |
| 18:13.48 | OluapPlayer | Nintendo already said they're gonna focus on the new Zelda for the NX |
| 18:14.02 | Technobliterator | I hope they'll actually show some details on the NX |
| 18:14.06 | Cyrannian | Mass Effect is the only thing I can think of that I'm looking forward to |
| 18:14.11 | OluapPlayer | Sony are gonna show The Last Guardian plus whatever |
| 18:14.14 | Technobliterator | In fact, I'd be very surprised if they don't |
| 18:14.20 | Technobliterator | Sony will likely show FFXV and FFVII:R |
| 18:14.28 | Technobliterator | Because them and Square are best buds |
| 18:14.39 | OluapPlayer | EA is >EA, Bethesda is >Bethesda, Microsoft is >Microsoft |
| 18:14.45 | OluapPlayer | So I expect nothing good out of any of them |
| 18:14.46 | Technobliterator | And then they'll probably show Call of Whatever |
| 18:14.51 | Technobliterator | yep |
| 18:15.19 | Cyrannian | Oh and 343 might show Halo Wars, which should be cool |
| 18:15.21 | OluapPlayer | Having no expectations means I shouldn't be disappointed hur |
| 18:16.43 | OluapPlayer | Oh and I forgot Ubisoft existed |
| 18:16.46 | OluapPlayer | So there's that |
| 18:17.11 | Monet | We might see CoD but not on the keynotes because Activision doesn't do keynotes. |
| 18:17.42 | OluapPlayer | Is there not gonna be a PC event like last year? |
| 18:17.45 | Monet | I think Ubi have hinted at a Watch_Dogs 2 |
| 18:18.14 | Monet | Oh wait CoD is Xbawks |
| 18:18.31 | Monet | So MIcrosoft might shwo it |
| 18:18.54 | OluapPlayer | The only game I'm really looking forward to is Dawn of War III and that's PC only |
| 18:19.08 | OluapPlayer | There's also Space Hulk Deathwing but I think that's too obscure for E3 |
| 18:19.50 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Dragostea ...I think you need to update the relationships here |
| 18:20.07 | Imperios | Or did I miss something |
| 18:20.08 | OluapPlayer | I told him to do that a year ago |
| 18:20.22 | OluapPlayer | No, he just doesn't update his pages |
| 18:22.12 | Technobliterator | oh yeah |
| 18:22.21 | Technobliterator | they'll probably show DoW III at E3 |
| 18:22.28 | Imperios | As in more of it? |
| 18:22.42 | OluapPlayer | They won't if there's no PC conference |
| 18:22.50 | OluapPlayer | DoW III is a PC-only game |
| 18:23.33 | Cyrannian | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Entertainment_Expo_2016#List_of_confirmed_games - c |
| 18:23.45 | Technobliterator | FFXV \o/ |
| 18:23.58 | Technobliterator | Mass effect Andromeda \o/ |
| 18:24.00 | OluapPlayer | A load of meh |
| 18:24.27 | Technobliterator | There is a PC conference? |
| 18:25.03 | Monet | There was last year |
| 18:25.31 | OluapPlayer | Yes, it was like the last conference |
| 18:25.39 | OluapPlayer | But it was mostly boring crap |
| 18:25.43 | Cyrannian | There's the PC Gaming Show, whatever that is |
| 18:25.48 | OluapPlayer | The only game I remember being talked there was Killing Floor 2 |
| 18:26.43 | OluapPlayer | The other option is Sega making a demo available to play there but I don't see that happening yet |
| 18:28.42 | Monet | One man's boring crap is another man's dream game. |
| 18:29.41 | Monet | ALso if Halo Wars 2 is going ot be anything like the original, stick it on PC! |
| 18:29.53 | Monet | Cosnole is not an ideal platform for an RTS. |
| 18:29.55 | OluapPlayer | Yeah but they spent a lot of time not talking about videogames iirc |
| 18:30.27 | *** join/#sporewiki Ghelae (0597440c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.68.12) |
| 18:30.27 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Ghelae] by ChanServ |
| 18:30.49 | Monet | Oh you mean Sony's TV/peripheral presentation which took like 40 minutes. |
| 18:31.10 | OluapPlayer | I mean the PC Gaming Show |
| 18:31.36 | OluapPlayer | Also I just noticed, Square Enix had a conference last year but not this year |
| 18:32.10 | Monet | There wasa guy from AMD last year if that's who you mean. |
| 18:32.23 | Monet | I was impressed by what he showed. |
| 18:32.32 | OluapPlayer | I kinda zoned out at that part |
| 18:32.36 | OluapPlayer | >List of notable exhibitors >Sega |
| 18:32.42 | OluapPlayer | Oh so DoW III does have a chance of being in |
| 18:34.08 | Monet | "E3 is used by many video game publishers and accessory manufacturers to introduce and advertise upcoming games and game-related merchandise" I guess technically video hardware could count as accessories |
| 18:36.05 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:3108:251e:170a:dd5b) |
| 18:36.05 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 18:36.24 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:36.34 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:38.00 | OluapPlayer | http://i.imgur.com/FIUSps7.jpg mistakes were made |
| 18:39.52 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 18:47.24 | *** join/#sporewiki ZF101 (4933de11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.222.17) |
| 18:47.32 | OluapPlayer | Imperios Monet Hachiman: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/119/289/0f0.png |
| 18:47.44 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 18:47.58 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 18:48.01 | Monet | Thomas the Chaos Tank |
| 18:48.26 | OluapPlayer | I knew there was something bad about that face |
| 18:50.13 | Hachiman | I remember the old black footballer guy who wouldn't shut up |
| 18:50.21 | Hachiman | And held up the entire event |
| 18:52.53 | OluapPlayer | Check link |
| 18:53.06 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.20) |
| 18:54.50 | Hachiman | What link? |
| 18:55.25 | Monet | [19:47:31] <OluapPlayer> Imperios Monet Hachiman: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/119/289/0f0.png |
| 18:55.30 | Hachiman | I did |
| 18:55.34 | Hachiman | I said "nice" hur |
| 18:56.27 | OluapPlayer | Not the kind of comment I was expecting |
| 19:01.04 | Hachiman | Monet: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13237779_676831669137107_8143949514950634967_n.jpg?oh=23f29e93085d67b81022a7941973b230&oe=57E13B26 |
| 19:05.00 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Uriel Ventris's nemesis |
| 19:06.46 | OluapPlayer | who that |
| 19:07.17 | Hachiman | Some Ultramarine Captain |
| 19:07.22 | Hachiman | "Uriel's distant ancestor, Lucian Ventris, had been a hero of the Chapter and was a Terminator in the 1st Company who was killed during the defense of Macragge from the Tyranids." |
| 19:07.35 | Hachiman | I call bullshit because a Space Marine logically shouldn't have descendants |
| 19:11.07 | OluapPlayer | Can't you make more Marines from a dead one's geneseed? |
| 19:13.22 | Hachiman | You can but that doesn't make you their descendant |
| 19:13.36 | OluapPlayer | Maybe that's what they meant |
| 19:13.43 | Hachiman | Lucian Ventris |
| 19:13.47 | Hachiman | Uriel Ventris |
| 19:14.12 | OluapPlayer | That or they come from the same family |
| 19:14.54 | Hachiman | I'd be more willing to believe that Lucian and Uriel come from the same family but are otherwise not blood-tied |
| 19:14.54 | Monet | That's true. |
| 19:15.15 | Monet | "ancestor" could be a distant uncle |
| 19:15.40 | Hachiman | Eh, true |
| 19:31.07 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: The existence of games like No Man's Sky is the very final blow to anything like Spore 2. There is a game with nearly everything that Spore could have had, just without the evolution and editors. |
| 19:31.26 | Technobliterator | I wouldn't say that at all |
| 19:31.45 | Technobliterator | I think they just demonstrate there's still a market for these kinds of games |
| 19:32.04 | Wormy_ | One taken up by indies though |
| 19:32.54 | Wormy_ | Spore was simply too big and too grand to fulfill everything. EA have learned that and will probably never make such a grandiose Sim game again. |
| 19:33.20 | Hachiman | EA doesn't care |
| 19:33.23 | Hachiman | That's why it failed |
| 19:33.24 | Wormy_ | It tried to be Sim City, NMS, SimLife all in one |
| 19:33.42 | Wormy_ | *NMS-like game |
| 19:33.44 | Hachiman | Anyway brb |
| 19:34.02 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: Yeah |
| 19:34.33 | The_Randomness | Having such a large scope basically kills your chances of doing it well |
| 19:34.48 | Wormy_ | There is a rule in the game development world about not over-complexifying games. |
| 19:35.22 | Wormy_ | Actually, I think Spore did do very well, not on the gameplay side of things, but on the creativity side of things it remains one of the best games |
| 19:35.32 | Monet | Even if it did succeed, Spore might be more of a tech demo than an actual game. |
| 19:35.34 | Wormy_ | Its detractors never appreciate that |
| 19:36.16 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: Yeah, its editors were good, but its gameplay was flat simply due to the amount of things it tried to do |
| 19:36.19 | Monet | Like you say, it's better as a technical demosntration than it did as a game. |
| 19:36.35 | Monet | than it is as a game* |
| 19:36.51 | The_Randomness | Monet: I think that's how Portal started |
| 19:36.52 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho (bcddaf46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.175.70) |
| 19:37.10 | Wormy_ | I love what the game tried to do, have all these levels from the ceuilar to the galactic, but either the technology wasn't there or time wasn't there, and the evelopers could never quite agree on what Spore was about |
| 19:37.32 | The_Randomness | Yeah |
| 19:37.34 | Wormy_ | *have all those levels from the ceelllar to galactic in one game |
| 19:37.46 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 19:37.57 | Monet | Not knowing what you want your game ot be about is a good way to kill a game mid-development. |
| 19:38.01 | Wormy_ | I think originally it was envisioned to make even the cell stage visible in the space stage |
| 19:38.08 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZLruXs1WQ should interest you |
| 19:38.40 | Wormy_ | Instead what we get are annoying diseases |
| 19:39.04 | Monet | Some of the best-selling games have a fairly simple summary. |
| 19:39.11 | The_Randomness | Yeah |
| 19:39.30 | OluapPlayer | ayy m8 there's green crap going on, shot my animals for me or my planet will fucking die and i'll hate you forever |
| 19:39.35 | OluapPlayer | shoot* |
| 19:39.42 | The_Randomness | heh |
| 19:39.46 | Xho | Xenoverse 2 |
| 19:39.50 | Wormy_ | Yep, I think thats why NMS has a narrow focus. There are no creative elements in the game, they want to distance themselves from Spore's over-inflation of directions |
| 19:39.51 | Xho | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.14 | Wormy_ | And probably distance themselves from Minecraft/Space Engineers-type games |
| 19:40.22 | Monet | Wormy_: Even NMS is looking a little like tech-demo-not-game territory. |
| 19:40.31 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 19:40.49 | OluapPlayer | Spore's Space Stage is made entirely of incredibly incompetent empires |
| 19:41.01 | The_Randomness | heh |
| 19:41.09 | OluapPlayer | Shoot your own damn animals, I'm not the only spaceship with guns |
| 19:41.16 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:41.34 | OluapPlayer | However I am the only spaceship my whole race has ever made ever |
| 19:41.39 | Monet | "Hey mate can you help us, there's this epidemic going on and I don't knwo how my 20 ship strong navy can defend it" |
| 19:41.43 | Wormy_ | I ended up ignoring the ever present list of ecosystem collapses |
| 19:41.50 | Monet | can save it* |
| 19:42.01 | Xho | what are we even talking about anyway |
| 19:42.03 | Monet | Yeah why is it you own the only spaceship your species ever makes? |
| 19:42.07 | Wormy_ | "Yeah, my empire only has 1 ship, yours has 20" |
| 19:42.10 | OluapPlayer | No Man's Sky and Spore |
| 19:42.44 | OluapPlayer | The missions are either "kill the things for me" or fetch quests |
| 19:42.58 | Monet | "We have the entire resources of an interstellar empire at our disposal! Let's give our only ship and way of making money to one guy!" |
| 19:43.04 | OluapPlayer | Thank god Spore doesn't have escort quests too |
| 19:43.08 | Xho | dumbass empires |
| 19:44.08 | OluapPlayer | I've no idea why I played that stage as much as I did |
| 19:44.16 | OluapPlayer | I remember playing enough to nearly destroy the Grox once |
| 19:44.33 | Wormy_ | The player's Spaceship is pretty badarse if one takes it seriously, I gave it a good Tier scale rating. |
| 19:44.50 | Monet | WHen you look at it. Spore's space-age species are perhaps some of the dumbest, and weakest interstellar empires in giction. |
| 19:45.54 | Monet | ure they have antimatter missiles but so does the UFP. And the UFP's starfleet numbers in possibly 100+ ships |
| 19:46.37 | The_Randomness | The UFP has more ships than that, but they're pretty spread out I believe |
| 19:46.50 | Wormy_ | Hm, a close contender might be the Fithpt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footfall |
| 19:47.35 | Monet | I'm sure they upsized their navy after WOlf 359 |
| 19:47.59 | The_Randomness | I don't think we have any good numbers though, so it's hard to say |
| 19:48.27 | Monet | But even before then you had the Romulans, the Klingons, whatever species and empires Kirk and co. found |
| 19:48.36 | The_Randomness | But even if they did start to grow their navy after Wolf 359, they would've been in a really bad place for the Dominion War |
| 19:49.30 | Monet | How long did the USS Enterprise take to build again? |
| 19:49.43 | Wormy_ | I think TOS-era Federation was meant to be more militant |
| 19:49.44 | Monet | Enterprise D |
| 19:50.29 | Wormy_ | Not sure but there weren't many Galaxy class starships were there? |
| 19:50.33 | Monet | More militant but still didn't think to give its soldiers better body armour. |
| 19:51.01 | Wormy_ | UFP ships are definately individually powerful though |
| 19:51.39 | Wormy_ | The Federation has the tech to potentially ve very powerful if they built fleets of warships |
| 19:51.50 | Monet | Although unless a starfleet member's uniform is laced with energy-proofing mesh, then by TNG the Federation appears to forget what PPE is. |
| 19:52.30 | The_Randomness | PPE? |
| 19:52.36 | Wormy_ | Thats what makes STO funny |
| 19:52.42 | Monet | Personal protective equipment |
| 19:52.45 | The_Randomness | Ah |
| 19:53.43 | Monet | You'd think on all those scouting and extraction missions the teams go on *someone* would be given armour or a personal energy shield or something. |
| 19:53.45 | Wormy_ | Could it be that we've just not seen it? |
| 19:53.57 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 19:53.58 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 19:54.56 | Monet | Wormy_: Well we never see any Federation soldiers wearing a helmet outside of a spacesuit. |
| 19:55.13 | Wormy_ | Thie Federation has always mostly been in peacetime, and the Enterprise D is an explorer vessel with *families* on-board. |
| 19:55.19 | Monet | Then again Federation soldiers rarely use grenades |
| 19:55.30 | Wormy_ | Even in the Dominion War, we missed seeing much of the battles as it was set on DS9 |
| 19:56.38 | The_Randomness | I know this is Star Trek, but you could propose that with something like phasers, protective equipment may either be too difficult to make or be too bulky to be practical |
| 19:57.08 | Monet | That's why I suggest an energy-proofing mesh of some kind |
| 19:58.35 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I'm not sure. You're talking about the same show that has people getting vaporized by blasts from a handheld weapon :P |
| 19:58.46 | Monet | Something to at least partially absorb the impact of a phaser beam. |
| 19:59.30 | Wormy_ | http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/20506/were-there-military-personnel-branches-of-service-in-federation-aside-from-sta |
| 19:59.36 | The_Randomness | In DS9 at least you see that people getting hit by a phaser do suffer serious burns where it hits, so there could be something like that |
| 20:00.24 | Wormy_ | There are some indications that the Federation has no military forces, but other hints that there are in DS9 episodes, however they were never seen on the frontline |
| 20:01.06 | The_Randomness | I think that their military forces do lie under Starfleet, which encompasses a large number of things |
| 20:01.55 | Wormy_ | We've only seen the explorers and diplomats really |
| 20:02.21 | Monet | That's waht makes things difficult |
| 20:02.42 | Monet | Even during the Dominion War much of the fighting was in space |
| 20:02.46 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 20:04.32 | Wormy_ | or behind the lines |
| 20:05.30 | Wormy_ | Interestingly, some DS9 episodes refer to "troops" and "troop convoys" |
| 20:05.41 | Tek0516 | Most ground forces would probably have been deployed from the starfleet ships anyway |
| 20:05.49 | Monet | I also disagree that protective gear is inappropriate for diplmatic meetings if it ever happens. Pretty sure a lot of modern private or state security are issued something like a stab-resistant vest. |
| 20:06.54 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (2f37c5db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.55.197.219) |
| 20:07.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:07.11 | Monet | And most commerical-grade ballistic vests are graded a resistance to one or two rounds fro ma 9mm - one of the easiest-to-conceal kinds of firearm. |
| 20:07.14 | Monet | hi |
| 20:07.46 | Wormy_ | Of course Star Trek has never had enough funding for good uniforms http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/1/16/Q_21st_Soldier.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140316191007&path-prefix=en |
| 20:08.00 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:08.05 | DrodoEmpire | What's this about? I'm curious |
| 20:08.06 | Wormy_ | That is apparently a 21st century Earth soldier |
| 20:08.25 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Post-apocalyptic 21st century soldier IIRC. |
| 20:08.32 | Wormy_ | The [lack of] appearences of military units in the Federation |
| 20:08.46 | DrodoEmpire | To be fair, that isn't *unrealistic*- Low-budget maybe but that's all |
| 20:09.08 | DrodoEmpire | Soldiers are wrapped up in all kinds of kevlar now and its not like they're stripping down on its usage |
| 20:09.16 | Wormy_ | it looks like passing without the armour or helmet |
| 20:09.19 | Monet | THey had enough of a budget by TNG t oafford a couple of suits of that armour. |
| 20:09.23 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah Federation military is a joke |
| 20:09.59 | Wormy_ | there is an illuminati symbol though |
| 20:10.30 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Keep in mind modern battle helmets also have kevlar in them, so even the helmet isn't a terrible design |
| 20:10.43 | Hachiman | If I recall, wasn't the Federation a fanatical pacifist society? |
| 20:11.19 | DrodoEmpire | The Federation was overbearingly pacifistic, yet also somehow run by the military (or at least heavily influenced by Starfleet) |
| 20:11.28 | DrodoEmpire | It was also almost certainly communist |
| 20:11.36 | DrodoEmpire | Really quite a horrifying society |
| 20:11.55 | Monet | It can't be that anti-military if Sterfleet maintained many of the old naval traditions. |
| 20:12.15 | Monet | It was I know, but not t othe point of eliminating the concept. |
| 20:12.33 | DrodoEmpire | That and I believe there was at least one episode where a civilian was tried by a judge who was clearly in Starfleet uniform |
| 20:12.39 | Hachiman | >almost certainly communist >quite a horrifying society |
| 20:12.42 | Hachiman | wat u tryna say |
| 20:12.55 | DrodoEmpire | That communism sucks shit and the Federation does too <.< |
| 20:13.08 | DrodoEmpire | A member of the military police in all liklihood |
| 20:13.17 | Monet | Socialism is mmm okay. |
| 20:13.26 | DrodoEmpire | Socialist elements are good |
| 20:13.48 | DrodoEmpire | Communism is clearly bad for any society interested in freedom or economic prosperity |
| 20:15.32 | Monet | And I agree with Drodo about helmets |
| 20:16.09 | Monet | Unlike body armour - which could be a protective mesh laid withi nthe uniform - we virtually never see any kidn of helmet. |
| 20:16.39 | DrodoEmpire | Right, which is odd because the helmet is- by far- *the most important* part of any armour |
| 20:16.46 | Monet | Oh no...I just relaised something. |
| 20:16.52 | DrodoEmpire | And there isn't any canon evidence to suggest armoured uniforms |
| 20:17.13 | Monet | How often do we see PPE being worn by starfleet's engineers? |
| 20:17.17 | DrodoEmpire | Plus I think security officers regularly get gunned down with ease in the TV series |
| 20:18.00 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno |
| 20:18.03 | Wormy_ | Though as was pointed out earlier, we have never seen the frontlines and most of the time the characters are behind the scenes of a battle or not operating in wartime at all. |
| 20:18.17 | Monet | I have a sneaking feeling that the Federation's Elfin' Safety Standards took a nosedive |
| 20:18.34 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: We do see the frontlines though, during one episode at least in DS9 |
| 20:18.53 | DrodoEmpire | And, again, no canon evidence for any sort of ground warfare capabilities so speculation is useless |
| 20:19.06 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Yeah hasn't there been at least one tactical operation against Jem'hadar soldiers? |
| 20:19.10 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:19.10 | Wormy_ | I know what episode you meann, but we never really saw very much except for some wounded troops. Interestingly they were referred to as troops |
| 20:19.20 | DrodoEmpire | The Siege of TR-something or however |
| 20:19.42 | Monet | There is no way a siege is 'behind the frontlines' |
| 20:19.54 | DrodoEmpire | Clearly their only ground forces were brigades of Starfleet "infantry" |
| 20:20.02 | DrodoEmpire | Supported from the air |
| 20:20.11 | Hachiman | Perhaps funding for land military operations was severely cut in order to promote naval and science operations |
| 20:20.45 | Monet | Severely enough to stuggle in giving its soldiers proper protective equipment? |
| 20:20.50 | DrodoEmpire | That's likely true but doesn't really change the fact that the Federation is severely deficient in the area of planetside warfare |
| 20:21.26 | Monet | If your army can't afford to supply all its grunts with helmets I seriously question how well-funded it is. |
| 20:21.31 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:21.47 | DrodoEmpire | I daresay the federation's ground-army is completely non-existent |
| 20:22.02 | Monet | Actually 'question' is too mild |
| 20:22.07 | Monet | I'm more in fear. |
| 20:22.10 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:22.24 | Wormy_ | Well there are terrain vehicles, though this is questionable on its tactical abilities http://orig06.deviantart.net/ffab/f/2015/125/f/0/2002_star_trek_nemesis_003_by_mad_man_with_a_pen-d8satx3.jpg |
| 20:22.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's a single example, and its never been observed being used in battle |
| 20:23.06 | DrodoEmpire | Its tactical abilities would likely be limited yes |
| 20:23.08 | Monet | That's more of a jeep or some kind of lightly-armoured FAV. |
| 20:23.08 | Wormy_ | But if they have that, they might have more |
| 20:23.53 | Monet | Maybe there's a more armoured version? |
| 20:23.57 | DrodoEmpire | But you have zero evidence for that, Wormy_ |
| 20:24.17 | Wormy_ | No, but no reason to suggest there isn't |
| 20:24.20 | DrodoEmpire | You can't simply assert things, especially given that ST is such a well-documented franchise |
| 20:24.20 | Monet | Because tactcally speaking, the crew of that buggy have next to zero protection from gunfire. |
| 20:24.33 | DrodoEmpire | Actually there is, considering how well-documented ST is |
| 20:24.53 | DrodoEmpire | If this were some obscure series with little reference material then I'd understand the speculation |
| 20:24.57 | Wormy_ | I'm not asserting anything other than the observation that Star Trek never focused on planetside warfare, though they were mentioned behind the scanes |
| 20:25.58 | Wormy_ | Drodo: And actually, the Argo was used in battle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-SYhzfaf0 |
| 20:26.10 | Wormy_ | Only against a pre-warp species |
| 20:26.10 | DrodoEmpire | It is mentioned and when observed is little more than infantry maneuvers. You didn't directly assert anything no but at the same time I'm just saying that speculation isn't too necessary |
| 20:26.24 | Monet | We're not expecting massive field battles no. By the time of TNG modern combat had evolved to having small-scale skirmishes be the order of the day. |
| 20:27.26 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes 21st century combat is much the same way in that a battle is spread out over miles of land, but at the same time that doesn't justify the lack of basic body armour or combat vehicles that could turn a battle |
| 20:27.36 | DrodoEmpire | Anyhow |
| 20:27.39 | Monet | (Although I did enjoy that one episode where a Cardassian picked apart how complicated the Federation's compression rifles are. |
| 20:27.58 | Cyrannian | It's likely a mix between Roddenberry's idealistic vision of ST as a show about exploration and the belief that land invasions would be rendered obsolete with the emergence of starships capable of obliterating planetary surfaces from orbit. Not saying that I agree with that though |
| 20:28.12 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 20:28.36 | Monet | Sometimes capturing a target or location can be more effective than blasting it to pieces. |
| 20:28.46 | DrodoEmpire | I disagree with the idea of land combat becoming obsolete also- Mostly due to the fact that it completely ignores the fact that war isn't about annhilation- Its about capturing |
| 20:28.53 | The_Randomness | Right |
| 20:29.07 | DrodoEmpire | Also ST ship weapons aren't able to obliterate very much, they're a bit feeble really :p |
| 20:29.10 | Monet | War has become much mroe surgical as it has evolved. |
| 20:29.34 | Hachiman | Also, land operations are beneficial for quelling rebellions |
| 20:29.52 | DrodoEmpire | That too |
| 20:30.15 | Monet | Those Wartime-era vidoes of wings of bombers dropping dozens of bombs o na single area doesn't happen so much these days. |
| 20:30.37 | DrodoEmpire | Land operations are just essential for taking anything over really- You can't actually occupy territory and exploit its resources without boots (and yes, by "boots" I mean infantry with rifles) on the ground |
| 20:30.47 | Wormy_ | Also, Drodo I must disagree with you on that, a few Cardassian and Romulan ships reduced a third of the Founder homeworld's planetary crust within a single barrage |
| 20:30.55 | Wormy_ | Thats no easy feat |
| 20:31.02 | Wormy_ | To vapour |
| 20:31.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, one minute |
| 20:31.23 | Cyrannian | hur was just about to link to that battle |
| 20:31.49 | Wormy_ | I think there are specs for the power of TOS era photon torpedoes as well. |
| 20:31.54 | Cyrannian | Plus there were these guys in Enterprise: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Military_Assault_Command_Operations |
| 20:32.15 | Cyrannian | Not sure if they remained under the Federation of course, since Enterprise was the latest series to be made |
| 20:32.23 | DrodoEmpire | Also actual official sources give some rather small (especially by comparison to SW or other franchise's weapons) numbers for weapons power, particularly the federation |
| 20:32.26 | DrodoEmpire | Not every race though |
| 20:32.30 | Monet | Yeah but the existence of MACO is a bit up i nthe air in older shows. |
| 20:32.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:34.10 | Wormy_ | Here's the scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU4lYIuvg58 |
| 20:34.33 | Monet | Regarding bombardment, I myself question the fiesability of Base-Delta-Zero. |
| 20:34.46 | Monet | but maybe that's a conversation for another time |
| 20:34.52 | Imperios | Cyrannian: >MACO |
| 20:34.56 | Imperios | I hope they did not use cars |
| 20:35.19 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Considering the immense power of SW starships, it was definitely feasible. :p |
| 20:35.36 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: For a single ship though. |
| 20:35.40 | Cyrannian | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Base_Delta_Zero - I like how in the new canon, Imperials refer to it as "planetary liberation" |
| 20:35.55 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Check out the stats for a Star Destroyer sometime :p |
| 20:36.20 | Imperios | Cyrannian: >liberation |
| 20:36.23 | Imperios | 'MPUYAH |
| 20:36.47 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Yeah and from what I can gather a single Star Destroyer is basically firing the beam version of a 30 megaton nuke. |
| 20:37.59 | Xho | OluapPlayer: I take it you heard of the Dark Souls board game |
| 20:38.14 | OluapPlayer | I know it exists but that's it |
| 20:38.17 | Xho | Well |
| 20:38.19 | Wormy_ | The Venator class had multi-terraton-lervel weapons mentioned in the (now non-canon I guess) Star Wars Cross-sections |
| 20:38.22 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: "Refire rates seem to be roughly 1 shot per 2 seconds, so the energy level of each individual blast would have to be 94 million TJ (22 gigatons of TNT) for heavy turbolasers and 750,000 TJ ( 179 megatons) for light turbolasers." |
| 20:38.29 | Xho | They wanted £50,000 as a pledge to develop it |
| 20:38.32 | Xho | They made that in three minutes |
| 20:38.53 | OluapPlayer | sanic |
| 20:38.58 | Monet | DrodoEMpire: THat's what makes me doubtful. |
| 20:39.02 | DrodoEmpire | Why? |
| 20:39.07 | DrodoEmpire | That's what it is... :p |
| 20:39.21 | Monet | I mean to make a beam that powerful |
| 20:39.24 | Imperios | Cyrannain: This reminds me |
| 20:39.36 | Imperios | You mentioned years ago that Basileus Justiciars used magic |
| 20:39.40 | Imperios | Is that still so? |
| 20:39.52 | Monet | a "light" turbolaser has more of an impact force than 3 Tsar Bombas. |
| 20:39.54 | DrodoEmpire | You can't just look at the official numbers (and the numbers that've been mathematically calculated) and say "I disagree with this because I doesn't agree with me" |
| 20:40.08 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, Monet, it requires power that beggars the imagination |
| 20:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | But you're in no position to deny that that is what it is |
| 20:40.48 | Wormy_ | Physically, a beam can have any amount of power, it depends on the source. Now I don't care about EU being non-canon, but hypermatter is probably more than enough |
| 20:40.48 | Monet | One blast from a light turbolaser would ignaite an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere. |
| 20:41.12 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Citation needed. :p |
| 20:41.35 | Wormy_ | It may not actually |
| 20:41.47 | Cyrannian | Imperios: I would no longer use magic and I doubt all of them do |
| 20:41.54 | Cyrannian | As in, the word "magic" |
| 20:42.30 | OluapPlayer | Just say force |
| 20:42.42 | Hachiman | Gee guys, the term is "midichlorians" |
| 20:42.43 | OluapPlayer | it's stor wors yanno |
| 20:42.44 | Hachiman | Get it right |
| 20:42.49 | Cyrannian | shup philistine |
| 20:43.39 | Wormy_ | The critical temperature and pressure of the atmosphere will determine how much of it can ignite |
| 20:43.44 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Star Wars can do whatever it likes because its super-soft science fiction. |
| 20:43.55 | The_Randomness | More like science fantasy tbh |
| 20:44.00 | Wormy_ | I don't know the calcs but I'm sure that also applies to an Earth-like atmosphere |
| 20:44.04 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: ...And so is Star Trek. What's your point? |
| 20:44.07 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: I would imagine all of that stuff remains canon, it's really only stories that are impacted, take a look at the specs of this canon ship: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Resurgent-class_Star_Destroyer |
| 20:44.14 | DrodoEmpire | What point did you even make there? :p |
| 20:44.18 | Xho | Well the Fictionverse is as well |
| 20:44.21 | ImpyDroid | The_Randomness: Space opera is the term |
| 20:44.28 | Monet | I'm not doubting a Star Destroyer *can* perfor mBDZ, I doubt if it can actually be done with just one ship i norbit. |
| 20:44.39 | The_Randomness | I know that's what the movies are considered, but it is space fantasy |
| 20:44.42 | Wormy_ | Oh I'm glad it is still powered by hypermatter |
| 20:44.54 | ImpyDroid | The term space opera is older |
| 20:45.04 | Wormy_ | Cyrannian: I just consider the Dinsney canon and EU canon as seperate timelines |
| 20:45.07 | The_Randomness | What's your point? |
| 20:45.07 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:45.15 | DrodoEmpire | I prefer EU honestly |
| 20:45.38 | ImpyDroid | My point is that it is not very correct to use the term younger than Star Wars to refer to Star Wars |
| 20:45.59 | Cyrannian | Important to note however that it was not Disney who decided to split canon, it was the Lucasfilm Story Group. George Lucas never regarded any of the EU as canon |
| 20:46.00 | Xho | DrodoEmpire: Legends, Drodo, Legends |
| 20:46.09 | DrodoEmpire | Whichever |
| 20:46.41 | ImpyDroid | You wouldn't call Lewis's space chronicles science fantasy for example, they were planetary romance |
| 20:46.44 | The_Randomness | I disagree there. I think both terms are correct to describe it |
| 20:46.55 | Hachiman | My what now |
| 20:47.03 | Wormy_ | Planet glassing with one ship would take a long time (and I don;t like the term), but it would be easy to smash semi-molten craters into a planet's crust with gigaton or higher weaponry comparable to asteroid impacts |
| 20:47.10 | The_Randomness | Star Wars is basically fantasy in space |
| 20:47.12 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: The other Lewis |
| 20:47.18 | ImpyDroid | The Narnia-making one |
| 20:47.22 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 20:47.28 | Hachiman | I didn't like Narnia so |
| 20:47.33 | Monet | When dealing with science fantasy, I'm happy to accept whatever science they show off because its basically elves and dwarves i nspace. |
| 20:47.40 | Wormy_ | That would be more efficiently done with kinetic weapons though |
| 20:47.41 | ImpyDroid | Nu Narnia best fantasy |
| 20:47.41 | Xho | lol fuk ur jesus lion |
| 20:48.09 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Right, except you clearly weren't okay with it earlier :p |
| 20:48.11 | ImpyDroid | Xho: How dare you |
| 20:48.20 | ImpyDroid | Lion Jesus rawred for your sins |
| 20:48.24 | Hachiman | "HEY GUYS THERE IS AN ENTIRE WORLD BEHIND OUR WARDROBE ALSO JESUS IS A LION AND THERE IS A QUEEN WHO SEDUCES PEOPLE WITH CHOCOLATE" |
| 20:48.30 | ImpyDroid | Lion Jesus |
| 20:48.35 | ImpyDroid | Implying that is not awesome |
| 20:48.35 | Hachiman | "OH AND A REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING FAUN GUY" |
| 20:48.39 | Xho | To be honest you could seduce me with chocolate |
| 20:48.40 | OluapPlayer | >SEDUCES PEOPLE WITH CHOCOLATE |
| 20:48.42 | OluapPlayer | Count me in |
| 20:48.48 | Xho | hivemind seduction c |
| 20:48.50 | OluapPlayer | Hivemind chocolate |
| 20:49.20 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: We were talking about the plausability of melting planetary crusts with lasers, I did say talking about BDZ was to eb best left for another conversation. |
| 20:49.22 | Xho | Problem is I'm not too partial to dairy on the account of it making my skin rash violently |
| 20:49.42 | Hachiman | Xho is allergic to cows |
| 20:49.45 | Wormy_ | I've never really thought that Base Delta Zero was melting |
| 20:49.50 | Xho | I'm allergic to everything |
| 20:50.01 | Xho | It's rather amazing I'm still alive |
| 20:50.11 | DrodoEmpire | too bad <.< |
| 20:50.12 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 20:50.12 | Hachiman | Yeah, we need to fix that |
| 20:50.13 | ImpyDroid | I know that feel bro |
| 20:50.13 | Wormy_ | But rather more like a single-hit impact |
| 20:50.22 | ImpyDroid | I have the immune system of a quarian |
| 20:50.39 | Xho | I'm pretty sure I've got some stomach bug right now |
| 20:50.44 | Monet | Xho: Dar kchocolate maybe? |
| 20:50.54 | Monet | Dark chocolate* |
| 20:50.54 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: That implies you get sick if someone has sex with you |
| 20:50.58 | Xho | Earlier I thought I was passing blood but it turns out it was more than likely something I ate the day previously |
| 20:51.00 | Tek0516 | My little random fan theory for why Star Wars ships work in their strange orbital mechanics is that they're not actually at orbital speed and are just staying in space via antigrav. Hence why they also "sink" when destroyed. :P |
| 20:51.13 | Xho | If the universe is trying to kill me just fucking do it already |
| 20:51.27 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: As a matter of fact, it seems so |
| 20:52.02 | OluapPlayer | No you can't die |
| 20:52.06 | Monet | TekDroid: Well they get themselves into orbit using a similar idea. |
| 20:52.07 | OluapPlayer | we didn't finish our fiction yet |
| 20:52.38 | ImpyDroid | The_Randomness: Anyway, one can call Star Wars science fantasy but I wouldn't say it is that applicable |
| 20:52.41 | Monet | I've played enough KSP to understand that simpyl flying up doesn't get you into a stable orbit. |
| 20:52.42 | ImpyDroid | Sure it is fantasy |
| 20:52.52 | Xho | Someone transfer my conscience into a robot |
| 20:53.05 | The_Randomness | ImpyDroid: It has the trappings of scifi and fantasy |
| 20:53.09 | Xho | I need android bodies to become a reality in this life time or so help me |
| 20:53.16 | ImpyDroid | But it draws from different sources of inspiration than most traditional fantasy stories |
| 20:53.39 | OluapPlayer | Doesn't make it any less space fantasy |
| 20:53.45 | OluapPlayer | It has spaceships and magic at the same time |
| 20:53.45 | ImpyDroid | True that |
| 20:53.48 | Monet | It has cowboys, outlaws and wizards and Nazis, but IN SPACE! |
| 20:53.50 | The_Randomness | Also, simply because it was called "space opera" first, that does not mean that any sort of terms applied to it afterwards are invalid |
| 20:54.10 | The_Randomness | That's honestly just silly |
| 20:54.12 | ImpyDroid | It is not invalid but it feels more right to call it space opera dunno |
| 20:54.24 | ImpyDroid | Just as a matter of tradition |
| 20:54.39 | Monet | Flash Gordon was one of Lucas' inspirations. |
| 20:55.05 | Wormy_ | This is my favourite attempt out there to grade the hardness of science fiction http://www.kheper.net/topics/scifi/grading.html |
| 20:55.38 | Wormy_ | Star Wars is simply "Very Soft", but not actually the softest |
| 20:56.31 | Wormy_ | it states |
| 20:56.33 | Wormy_ | "SCIENCE FANTASY: claims to be SF, and indeed has or is based on self-consistent SF elements that would otherwise include it under SF, but also includes one or more supernaturalist elements that remove it from the realm of pure SF. George Lucas uses the term "Space Fantasy" to describe his work, although it seems to me that - except for its fairy tale prologue ("a long time ago in a galaxy far away") - Star Wars can more properly be i |
| 20:56.36 | The_Randomness | Right, and while that's a good way to rate "hardness," people tend to just see "perceived hardness" based on certain trappings |
| 20:57.02 | The_Randomness | And that's why I try to stay away from sci-fi hardness in general |
| 20:57.08 | Monet | Yeah this chart is good for those who want ot get academic |
| 20:57.26 | Wormy_ | Well he/she has some good criteria down |
| 20:57.39 | ImpyDroid | hm |
| 20:57.46 | Cyrannian | Interesting that Star Wars and Star Trek are considered on the same level |
| 20:57.53 | ImpyDroid | Would 40k be softer than Star Wars or harder |
| 20:57.57 | Technobliterator | Star Wars is absolutely science fantasy |
| 20:58.01 | Technobliterator | No fiction about it |
| 20:58.12 | Monet | Star Wars just doesn't care about the science bit. |
| 20:58.17 | Technobliterator | Maybe the Legends EU was science fiction, but current Star Wars, absolutely not |
| 20:58.18 | ImpyDroid | I guess softer because ORKS |
| 20:58.26 | Wormy_ | I would definelyely only rate the Xeelee Sequence as "Plausibly Hard", but have Baxter's Minfold Series one grading above |
| 20:58.31 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Legends was even more absurdly fantasy |
| 20:58.32 | OluapPlayer | Genre: WAAAAAAAAGH |
| 20:58.34 | Wormy_ | *Manifold |
| 20:58.52 | Tek0516 | I just use "Science fiction" for all futuristic type of works and "science fantasy" as a subset of it that's more focused on fantastic elements than the science. |
| 20:58.57 | ImpyDroid | It had Palpatine turning into an undead god summoning black holes with his mind |
| 20:59.08 | Tek0516 | O.O |
| 20:59.18 | ImpyDroid | Zombies created by a magical amulet |
| 20:59.30 | Technobliterator | This is personal preference, but I don't like sci fi when it's too hard. It gets boring when creators aren't really allowed to be creative. |
| 20:59.51 | ImpyDroid | Hard Sci fiction works best IMO when it is more down to earth |
| 20:59.57 | ImpyDroid | The Martian is the best example |
| 21:00.10 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 21:00.18 | Hachiman | Interstellar is |
| 21:00.20 | Hachiman | Well |
| 21:00.28 | Tek0516 | Hard sci-fi can still be very creative though, it's just that the stereotypical example is essentially a science textbook. |
| 21:00.32 | Hachiman | Interstellar is not science fantasy, that is for sure hur |
| 21:00.41 | ImpyDroid | Interstellar is actually pretty weird when it comes to hardness |
| 21:00.44 | The_Randomness | Interstellar is...not as hard as people make it out to be |
| 21:00.52 | ImpyDroid | It varies from uber-hard to uber-soft |
| 21:00.57 | The_Randomness | There's a lot of silly stuff in it |
| 21:00.57 | Monet | I think both hard and soft sci fi have their creative merit. |
| 21:01.03 | The_Randomness | Monet: Yeah, of course |
| 21:01.07 | ImpyDroid | Like it has all these scientific calculations but also the POWAH OF LOVE |
| 21:01.07 | Tek0516 | Monet: Absolutely. |
| 21:01.13 | The_Randomness | I'm not saying that any one is better |
| 21:01.17 | Technobliterator | It can be, but generally I find it less interesting. I primarily watch science fiction for, well, the fiction aspect. Not for less creative and more restrictive stuff. |
| 21:01.23 | ImpyDroid | And ghosts |
| 21:01.27 | Technobliterator | Neither style is better or worse, this is just my personal preference |
| 21:01.31 | Wormy_ | Babylon 5 is slightly harder than Star Trek and effort was made to be more realistic. |
| 21:01.44 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: I imagine you speaking in a cold robotic voice |
| 21:01.47 | ImpyDroid | A la EDI |
| 21:01.50 | Technobliterator | I also don't like how people like to look down on soft sci fi even if it's blatantly unrealistic |
| 21:01.53 | Technobliterator | wat |
| 21:02.07 | Technobliterator | This is a very random point :p |
| 21:02.08 | Wormy_ | I'd rate Interstellar as "Plausibly Hard", same as Xeelee Sequence or OA. |
| 21:02.20 | ImpyDroid | Bur |
| 21:02.21 | ImpyDroid | But |
| 21:02.24 | ImpyDroid | Ghosts |
| 21:02.42 | OluapPlayer | Hardness level: intangible spooky |
| 21:02.44 | Wormy_ | Modifications to laws of physics are allowed in that category |
| 21:03.04 | Cyrannian | Futurama is the hardest example of hard sci-fi, like when they overcame the barriers of FTL travel by increasing the speed of light |
| 21:03.16 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Interstellar is basically "spooky ghosts in spooky black holes" |
| 21:03.24 | Tek0516 | I like it when effort is made to keep sci-fi somewhat plausible, but it's not an absolute thing for me. |
| 21:03.33 | OluapPlayer | spook/10 |
| 21:03.37 | Wormy_ | Actually one of the bigger problems in Interstellar was the planet-wide ecosystem collapse |
| 21:03.45 | Monet | Its jsut a personal preference but I see "limitations restrict creativity" as a fallacy. |
| 21:03.46 | OluapPlayer | Fucking Spore empires |
| 21:03.50 | OluapPlayer | It's all their fault |
| 21:04.10 | Monet | Sometimes limitations encourage creativity. |
| 21:04.12 | Wormy_ | Terrible fallacy, they become the stage to build upon new kinds of story |
| 21:04.28 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: They should have just killed the sick animals |
| 21:04.44 | OluapPlayer | Yes, all you had to do is kill 5 glowing animals |
| 21:04.48 | OluapPlayer | The whole plot is solved |
| 21:05.29 | Tek0516 | Limitations and restrictions can be great for innovation. |
| 21:05.54 | Wormy_ | Thats why I will always prefer the Xeelee over something like the Antispirals. It might take them billions of years to shoot galaxy projectiles as opposed to the Antispirals chucking them around, but if you think about it deeply its far cooler |
| 21:06.06 | Monet | Wormy_: Yeah, exactly. Star Trek's transporter technology for instance, was due to budget limitations. |
| 21:06.06 | ImpyDroid | Extreme soft fiction is bad because in that case, pretty much anything can happen |
| 21:06.18 | ImpyDroid | "LOL MAGIC" |
| 21:06.23 | OluapPlayer | You're comparing Hard Sci-fi to not-sci-fi-at-all |
| 21:06.27 | ImpyDroid | There is no intrigue at all |
| 21:06.30 | Technobliterator | How is that bad? ._. |
| 21:06.50 | Technobliterator | What if it's not designed for there to be intrigue? |
| 21:07.12 | ImpyDroid | Because, unless you set some rules, everything can be resolved with one deus ex machina or another |
| 21:07.15 | Technobliterator | Futurama is the obvious example, basically any setting that doesn't require you to take it seriously |
| 21:07.27 | Monet | Technobliterator: Well the plot might flop. |
| 21:07.28 | ImpyDroid | I mean in a serious setting |
| 21:07.30 | OluapPlayer | That depends of the writer's skill |
| 21:07.33 | Wormy_ | I might like hard SF but actually I enjoy soft SF just as much, they offer different ways to make a story |
| 21:07.54 | Technobliterator | In a serious setting, having limited rules is still not a bad thing |
| 21:08.07 | Monet | Eg. "in a world wherep hoenix downs exist, how come Aeris wasn't ressurected" |
| 21:08.18 | Technobliterator | The plot flopping has nothing to do with the setting, if the writer is bad, they're just doing an awful job |
| 21:08.35 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrannian_Republic/Government/Senate#Political_Factions - Guise (particularly Impy and Oluap), I did stuff, c |
| 21:08.44 | OluapPlayer | I've seen that |
| 21:08.47 | OluapPlayer | dats not neraida war |
| 21:09.11 | Technobliterator | oh, Cyrannian, did you see I mentioned the Republic in my most recent Loron History |
| 21:09.12 | Cyrannian | Did I get Milinitt's affiliation right doe? |
| 21:09.17 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:09.28 | Cyrannian | I didn't, I'll take a look now |
| 21:09.28 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: Cannot ball-o Apollo |
| 21:09.38 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:A_Loron_History_of_SporeWiki#Mythology - Doomsday is the one |
| 21:09.44 | OluapPlayer | One thing is you're using Aedanius Cretacea as a redirect for Apollo |
| 21:09.47 | Technobliterator | A Loron version of 1984 |
| 21:09.47 | OluapPlayer | shouldn't do that |
| 21:09.50 | OluapPlayer | no redirects for fiction |
| 21:10.34 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 21:11.29 | Monet | Wasn't one of the elements of 1984 that everyoen was trickedi nto thinking they were living happy lives? |
| 21:12.00 | Monet | All that stuff like "productivity is up, peopel are living longer and we've made more boots this year than ever before!" |
| 21:12.30 | Technobliterator | Of course, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia |
| 21:12.59 | Wormy_ | A bit like the DCP then |
| 21:13.23 | Cyrannian | Technobliterator: hur that was great |
| 21:13.26 | Technobliterator | Yeah, Wormy, I was surprised you'd never read it |
| 21:13.28 | Technobliterator | ^.^ |
| 21:13.40 | Monet | I find the DCP is the truest representation of what the world of 1984 is about. |
| 21:13.43 | Technobliterator | And remember, this is how the Republic dies |
| 21:13.50 | Technobliterator | they are killed by the epic god Brok'O'Bama |
| 21:13.59 | Technobliterator | the literal devil |
| 21:14.04 | Wormy_ | Funnily enough I took more inspiration by extrapolating the modern world |
| 21:14.17 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "The Terror of the Night" Nalashtannylor - bitch get outta mah nite |
| 21:14.17 | Technobliterator | Well, 1984 did much the same thing |
| 21:14.37 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Does he convert Lorons to his religion too |
| 21:14.46 | OluapPlayer | Kareena - make me~ |
| 21:14.52 | Xho | That actually makes me wonder |
| 21:14.56 | Technobliterator | Muslamicism? yeah sure |
| 21:15.13 | Xho | What is the Vampire stance on Nalashtannylor as he's da nite god |
| 21:15.20 | OluapPlayer | None |
| 21:15.32 | Monet | Instead of mandatory exercise times and two minutes hate, people today are kept content with X-Factor, Keeping up with the Kardashians and the Daily Mail. |
| 21:15.32 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - u fukn wot scrubs |
| 21:15.32 | Cyrannian | He thwarted the effort to Make the Republic Great Again |
| 21:15.53 | OluapPlayer | I doubt they know he exists |
| 21:16.35 | Wormy_ | Don't forget that Womens gossip show and Jeremy Kyle on ITV |
| 21:17.11 | Technobliterator | the problem with Cyrannus is, there are too many illegal Cognatus |
| 21:17.15 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - man y'all need som nite lites |
| 21:17.19 | Technobliterator | they're rapists |
| 21:17.24 | Technobliterator | and some, I assume, are good people |
| 21:17.25 | Hachiman | Thanks O'Bama |
| 21:17.26 | Monet | Goldstein is real, but he shares the double life of Jeremy Kyle and Jerry Springer. |
| 21:17.51 | Monet | has the double life* |
| 21:18.48 | *** join/#sporewiki dino82_ (d8dd47aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.221.71.170) |
| 21:19.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hi! |
| 21:19.25 | dino82_ | hi |
| 21:19.30 | Monet | 1984 was a world that was short, cruel and depressing, but no one realised. And those who did never existed. |
| 21:19.32 | Monet | Hi |
| 21:19.35 | Cyrannian | Hai dino! |
| 21:19.46 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 21:19.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:20.08 | ImpyDroid | Monet Wormy_: I remember when I read 1984, my parents commented that "anything you could read in that book, your great-grandparents lived through" |
| 21:21.05 | Technobliterator | Soviet Russia was one of the things it was based on |
| 21:21.08 | Technobliterator | That, and Nazi Germany |
| 21:21.16 | Technobliterator | and wartime Britain |
| 21:21.17 | ImpyDroid | Pretty much |
| 21:21.26 | Monet | With exaggeration |
| 21:21.29 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Founded by people |
| 21:21.38 | Technobliterator | Honestly, some things from 1984 are true even in Western democracies |
| 21:21.45 | Technobliterator | McCarthy, anyone? |
| 21:21.56 | Monet | Pretty sure there are impracticalities to installign a camera inside everyone's home. |
| 21:21.58 | ImpyDroid | Ingsoc was evidently foynded by those WHO WA'ED BRI'N TO BE 'BOU' BRI'ISH |
| 21:22.46 | dino82_ | hi all! |
| 21:22.47 | Technobliterator | There aren't impracticalities to using evercookies in everyone's web browser and checking their search histories for anything that may make them seem like a threat to the government, though |
| 21:22.48 | dino82_ | Howz all doing |
| 21:22.53 | Xho | How did I understand that |
| 21:22.59 | DrodoEmpire | I'm well |
| 21:23.02 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 21:23.12 | Technobliterator | I'm good, dino, just finished 2/5 exams, you? |
| 21:23.22 | Monet | Technobliterator: Technology marches o nthough |
| 21:24.01 | Monet | Orwell envisioned a camera in every living room monitored by the police. |
| 21:24.10 | Monet | Maybe its a good metaphor |
| 21:24.25 | dino82_ | Great to hear! Oh that is great Jo! Felt well abou them? I am doing great as well thanks, less workload and stress for the moment so that leaves some time for the wiki and more for maintining a personal live haha :d |
| 21:24.30 | Technobliterator | Evercookies are currently used to more effectively target ads at you, but there's not a whole lot stopping the government from using them and enforcing them |
| 21:24.48 | Technobliterator | our cyber laws here are awful |
| 21:24.58 | Technobliterator | And yep, dino, I feeel pretty confident |
| 21:24.59 | Wormy_ | There are probably cameras in the toilet, in the DCP. |
| 21:25.02 | Technobliterator | Nice to hear ^.^ |
| 21:25.18 | Monet | But evercookies lack the human element - the information they provide could easily get buried and lost in the sheer volume of incoming information. |
| 21:25.35 | DrodoEmpire | Its still creepy and weird that the government would want that information |
| 21:25.36 | Technobliterator | Evercookies are not read by humans, this is true |
| 21:25.40 | Technobliterator | How long before they are? |
| 21:25.45 | DrodoEmpire | Creepy, weird, and should be illegal |
| 21:25.47 | Technobliterator | I know it's a slippery slope useless argument |
| 21:25.54 | Technobliterator | but I really don't like the thought of it |
| 21:25.56 | DrodoEmpire | For the government to ever monitor it |
| 21:26.02 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 21:26.02 | DrodoEmpire | Its not necessarily wrong, Tech |
| 21:26.10 | Monet | They're nto looked at by humans because that's where the impracticalities begin. |
| 21:26.17 | DrodoEmpire | The concern is completely legitimate seeing as there *is* a slippery slope |
| 21:26.20 | Wormy_ | Well, nevermind people. AI algorithms are already good enough to track people and learn about your habits. |
| 21:26.23 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:26.30 | dino82_ | @Jo: great:D Good luck with the others as well! |
| 21:26.32 | Technobliterator | I don't like how they can place you on a list just for searching a term they don't like |
| 21:26.36 | Technobliterator | thanks! ^.^ |
| 21:26.38 | Wormy_ | Useful for both corporations and government |
| 21:26.44 | DrodoEmpire | The government could easily make a beast of an AI for that purpose |
| 21:27.14 | Wormy_ | Plus, they fuck up with our data quite often. |
| 21:27.22 | Monet | Most of the time that information sold to corporates is used to create something better-suited to the demographic they onsider you part of. |
| 21:27.34 | The_Randomness | puts on his tinfoil hat |
| 21:27.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah yeah that's best-case scenario |
| 21:27.50 | DrodoEmpire | Again, its possible the government could use it for worse purpose |
| 21:27.51 | DrodoEmpire | *s |
| 21:27.52 | Wormy_ | Letting it open to hackers, leaving hard-drives on the bus, getting false reports about people, etc. |
| 21:27.57 | DrodoEmpire | Not that they are, but its scary they can |
| 21:27.57 | Monet | That's how Google makes all itsm oney. |
| 21:28.01 | Technobliterator | The_Randomness, we're not talking about tinfoil hat conspiracies |
| 21:28.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:28.08 | The_Randomness | I know |
| 21:28.16 | Wormy_ | This is the real deal |
| 21:28.17 | DrodoEmpire | We're talking about things that can actually happen :p |
| 21:28.19 | The_Randomness | meh, I'm stupid and bad at multitasking |
| 21:28.21 | The_Randomness | ignore me |
| 21:28.42 | Technobliterator | This is actually much more realistic than your typical Alex Jones THE GUBERMENT FAKES MASS SHOOTINGS TO TAKE YER GUNZ AWAY conspiracy :p |
| 21:28.51 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 21:29.28 | Technobliterator | I think government accessing data through evercookies will probably be made illegal, but I can imagine it still happening in places like China for instance |
| 21:29.32 | Wormy_ | Or a David Ickian statement of reptiles creating a holographic moon |
| 21:30.07 | Monet | One of the reasons there was a proposal ot scale the PATRIOT act back was becuase they realised that monitoring the activity of 200+ million people inundates your staff with a *lot* of raw data. |
| 21:30.25 | Wormy_ | I know that China just develops this scorecard system that is used to both punish and reward. |
| 21:30.34 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:30.48 | ImpyDroid | MUH GUNS |
| 21:30.59 | Technobliterator | There was also a law called RIPA over here which directly violated EU human rights laws |
| 21:31.07 | Technobliterator | And had to be replaced with something slightly less bad |
| 21:31.26 | Wormy_ | This TTIP things really worries me |
| 21:32.19 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: Holy shit what a coincidence, the name 'Maras' is like the Sanskrit for 'Mara' which means 'destroying' |
| 21:32.20 | Wormy_ | Australia could be sued by Tabacco companies out of billion of Australian dollars for losses due to the laws of having blanck tobacco boxes with preventive warnings |
| 21:32.21 | Monet | I think if part of this orwellian panic is all an attempt (a realyl ham-handedo ne mind you) to make the public feel safer. |
| 21:32.26 | Technobliterator | It allowed ISPs to monitor a family for over a year for something as simple as checking if they were in the right school district they'd claimed, and allowed them to demand an encryption key from a schizophrenic man |
| 21:32.29 | OluapPlayer | spooky |
| 21:32.54 | Hachiman | Xho: Fairly sure that is where you got the name from in the first place and you simply forgot and rediscovered it |
| 21:33.11 | Xho | No the name 'Maras the Destroyer' goes back years before the character |
| 21:33.15 | Technobliterator | The coalition government replaced it with DRIPA, which is bsaically RIPA but less bad and with more background checks |
| 21:33.21 | Xho | I was going to use it long before I made him a character but never did |
| 21:33.51 | Monet | Technobliterator: I hate Uber for similar staffing concerns. |
| 21:34.49 | Wormy_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html |
| 21:34.55 | Monet | As shifty as some acutal liscenced taxi drivers can look, at least their induction and training scheme took more than s ingle hour :p |
| 21:35.02 | Hachiman | TTIP is just rebranded SOPA |
| 21:35.13 | Technobliterator | Uh |
| 21:35.17 | Technobliterator | It's a lot more than that |
| 21:35.26 | Monet | Hachiman: THat's only the ttip of the iceberg |
| 21:35.34 | Hachiman | Fucking |
| 21:35.37 | Technobliterator | haha |
| 21:35.44 | Technobliterator | if that pun was intentional |
| 21:35.45 | Technobliterator | nice |
| 21:35.53 | OluapPlayer | wow |
| 21:36.03 | Wormy_ | Hot damn best pun |
| 21:36.26 | Monet | There's a lot more to TTIP than 'corporations can sue governments for lost profits' |
| 21:36.49 | Wormy_ | Even that is bad enough, what else? |
| 21:36.56 | Technobliterator | As well as being a rebranded SOPA, it's yet another disastrous free trade deal |
| 21:37.06 | Technobliterator | "free trade" |
| 21:37.12 | Monet | An attempt to americanise EUropea ntrading standards. |
| 21:37.20 | Monet | european* |
| 21:37.56 | Technobliterator | Corporations being able to sue governments for a law that can hurt their profits is one of the stupidest things ever |
| 21:38.05 | Monet | Fuck that I don't want my Twix to contain the ocntents of a chemistry set. |
| 21:39.32 | The_Randomness | muh processed foods |
| 21:39.34 | Monet | TTIP is more of a lassiz faire trade deal. |
| 21:39.49 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 21:40.02 | Technobliterator | Yeah, which is to say, completely disastrous. I seriously hope it fails, but I don't have a lot of faith. |
| 21:40.21 | Wormy_ | I can definitely see it hurting democracy even more |
| 21:40.29 | Monet | There's a chance. The cat's out of the bag now. |
| 21:40.51 | Technobliterator | I can see it hurting jobs more |
| 21:40.59 | Technobliterator | And basically making the internet a pain in the ass to use |
| 21:41.21 | Monet | Used to be they made every attempt to keep its details secret, only those in the know knew about it. Then it appeared on Sky news and in Reuters. |
| 21:41.53 | Technobliterator | It got leaked, and it's really awful |
| 21:42.02 | Wormy_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-the-greeks-can-save-feta-cheese-from-ttip-why-can-t-cameron-protect-the-nhs-a7032056.html |
| 21:42.13 | Wormy_ | Looks like it will corrode culture too |
| 21:42.41 | Technobliterator | If there's any reason to oppose Brexit, TTIP makes the most compelling case, since the EU opposes it. |
| 21:44.40 | Monet | I like to think if we stay, we should push to be heard more in the EP. |
| 21:45.09 | Technobliterator | That's another thing, yeah |
| 21:45.21 | Wormy_ | My most compelling case is that I fear destabilisation of Europe, thatt is, the rise of the far right. Though whether the EU can be effective, I don't know. |
| 21:45.35 | Monet | We get lots of special deals, but that's a good thing as it gives this country a visible opinion every law and pact Brussels puts forward. |
| 21:45.52 | Technobliterator | I've not weighed up the whole thing yet because I don't really want to make a decision until I actually have to, but I'm leaning fairly strongly one way rather than the other. |
| 21:46.38 | Monet | I've been known to leave things to the last minute, but this referendum is not something to ponder over at the last minute. |
| 21:47.13 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.22 | Technobliterator | I will a week before and that]'ll be it |
| 21:47.25 | Monet | Whatever the vote is will affect both Europe and North America. |
| 21:48.09 | Technobliterator | It feels kind of selfish of me voting because it won't have much of an impact on me |
| 21:48.09 | Monet | Maybe as far away as China. |
| 21:48.38 | Wormy_ | It will, certainly (unless you move away come to think of it) |
| 21:48.49 | Monet | She's moving to the US. |
| 21:48.57 | Technobliterator | Yeah |
| 21:48.59 | Wormy_ | In the long run I believe it will impact on our future careers |
| 21:49.15 | Technobliterator | So it's like, I'm helping make a decision that could hurt lots of people here, but won't hurt me : | |
| 21:49.24 | Monet | It might |
| 21:49.38 | Monet | The UK is a big trading partner with the US. |
| 21:50.04 | Monet | Our economies are somewhat entwined, especially in the tertiary industries. |
| 21:50.12 | Technobliterator | Mhm, I suppose |
| 21:50.27 | Wormy_ | I take Obama seriously when he said "we will be back of the queue". |
| 21:50.41 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Sleeperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Maras2016Ghost.png ghostie |
| 21:50.59 | Hachiman | P A R T Y H A R D |
| 21:51.12 | Monet | The UK leaving *might* jeapordise the integrity of the EU. |
| 21:51.14 | Wormy_ | US's ambitions are that of neoliberalism and globalism, not countries striking out for independence from the world. |
| 21:51.15 | OluapPlayer | ooga bogoa |
| 21:51.19 | OluapPlayer | booga even |
| 21:51.44 | Monet | Worst case scenario I guess is the UK's deperture brings about another global recession. |
| 21:52.24 | Monet | Or at the very least, acts as a significant contributor to another one. |
| 21:53.30 | Monet | The UK leaves -> EU takes a hit -> EU stability is compromised -> continent turns inward -> global business struck with a Euroepan void. |
| 21:53.33 | Technobliterator | I do want to hear an argument for leaving other than "muh sovereignty" or "muh EU conspiracy theories" |
| 21:53.51 | Cyrannian | I support reforms to the EU to make it more democratic, though I'm sceptical about different countries expecting special treatment |
| 21:54.16 | Monet | Blanket treatment rarely works well. |
| 21:54.24 | Wormy_ | That very protectionism is probably hurting the EU |
| 21:55.09 | Wormy_ | But anyway, sadly I've not heard any good plans from the Pro-stay politicians about reforming the EU |
| 21:55.13 | Monet | WHether it's a person or country, everyone's needs, feeligns and agendas are different. |
| 21:55.29 | DrodoEmpire | Tech: Wanting sovereignty isn't something petty. :p |
| 21:55.41 | DrodoEmpire | And being undemocratic isn't a conspiracy theory |
| 21:55.43 | Technobliterator | I feel like the only person who honestly wouldn't mind a United States of Europe |
| 21:55.53 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, I wasn't talking about that |
| 21:56.09 | Hachiman | Consider the politicians that would be ruling it |
| 21:56.12 | Technobliterator | Most conspiracy theories I've heard are about how it's Germany's plot to take over Europe without needing a World War 3 ._. |
| 21:56.28 | Wormy_ | Maybe, but it remains as undemocratic as it is, that would be frightening |
| 21:56.44 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: The concern is that those pro-'sovereignty' people see the EU as some hegemonic empire. |
| 21:57.44 | DrodoEmpire | Its not, but it still infringes on the sovereignty of its members. :p I can understand why people wouldn't like that |
| 21:57.51 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: BTW, HoI4 pre-orders are up if you haven't seen. |
| 21:57.56 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 21:58.13 | Cyrannian | I consider quality of life more important than national sovereignty, so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea either Jo, |
| 21:58.28 | Technobliterator | Mhm, me too |
| 21:58.51 | Technobliterator | also, pretty sure the United States of Europe would be the world's biggest superpower |
| 21:58.53 | Technobliterator | so there's that |
| 21:59.02 | Technobliterator | or rather |
| 21:59.03 | Technobliterator | strongest |
| 21:59.18 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not totally convinced a united Europe would guarantee a better quality of life |
| 21:59.54 | Monet | Technobliterator: Until the US and Canada go their separate ways and for the United States of North America and the Canadia nTerritories. |
| 22:00.10 | Technobliterator | haha yeah |
| 22:00.11 | Monet | unite, not go their separate ways |
| 22:00.35 | Technobliterator | or just United States of America where Canada is just a giant state |
| 22:00.38 | Technobliterator | or something |
| 22:00.42 | Wormy_ | Perhaps in a very far future the Ameerican nations and Europe will band together into a super union |
| 22:00.48 | Monet | Canada ahs states too though |
| 22:00.56 | DrodoEmpire | We have provinces. :p |
| 22:01.05 | Technobliterator | How many provinces are there? |
| 22:01.11 | Cyrannian | Ireland certainly benefited from membership, we went from one of the poorest countries in Europe to the joint sixth most developed in the world |
| 22:01.30 | Technobliterator | yeah, Ireland is awesome |
| 22:01.47 | Monet | Other Europea ncountries though are struggling, like Spain. |
| 22:01.54 | Technobliterator | And Greece |
| 22:02.09 | Cyrannian | That's true |
| 22:02.27 | DrodoEmpire | Ten provinces and three territories. |
| 22:02.31 | DrodoEmpire | For Canada |
| 22:02.32 | Technobliterator | oh, so |
| 22:02.56 | Technobliterator | the United States of North America would be 60 states? |
| 22:03.15 | Technobliterator | oh, they need to annex Mexico as well |
| 22:03.16 | Monet | Ireland may have also benefitted from Dublin's proximity and ties to London. |
| 22:03.19 | Technobliterator | then it can be 65 or something |
| 22:03.28 | *** join/#sporewiki OluapPlayer_ (badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205) |
| 22:03.28 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer_] by ChanServ |
| 22:03.28 | DrodoEmpire | Assuming all these boundaries are respected, yes. |
| 22:03.40 | Technobliterator | then screw it |
| 22:03.49 | Technobliterator | why not just annex the rest of South America as well? |
| 22:03.50 | DrodoEmpire | Also states and provinces do work differently from eachother |
| 22:04.00 | The_Randomness | What did I just walk back to? |
| 22:04.00 | Technobliterator | the United States of Literal America, Like For Real This Time |
| 22:04.02 | Monet | Mexico also has states |
| 22:04.14 | DrodoEmpire | Provinces are pretty much just administrative regions while the States are a bit more than that |
| 22:04.29 | Wormy_ | Then it merges with the United States of ERurope and Australia and New Zealand |
| 22:04.40 | Wormy_ | And then... |
| 22:04.44 | Technobliterator | and then, the rest of the world just surrenders |
| 22:04.50 | Technobliterator | they can't compete with that |
| 22:04.54 | OluapPlayer_ | NWO achieved |
| 22:04.55 | Monet | So let's see |
| 22:05.01 | Technobliterator | United States of Planet Earth Holy Shit We Finally Did It |
| 22:05.14 | Monet | China says hi |
| 22:05.23 | Technobliterator | oh, they just defeat China in a war |
| 22:05.28 | Technobliterator | too powerful |
| 22:05.28 | OluapPlayer_ | When in doubt, nuke them |
| 22:05.29 | Cyrannian | Well Ireland was always close to Britain and didn't prosper economically until the 90s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland#Development |
| 22:05.56 | OluapPlayer_ | Concentrated Exterminatus |
| 22:06.03 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 22:06.03 | Wormy_ | The the Fire Nation attacked. |
| 22:06.08 | Wormy_ | *then |
| 22:06.09 | Monet | Ten provinces in Canada, fifty states in the US, 31 states i nMexico. |
| 22:06.15 | Technobliterator | no, by this point |
| 22:06.18 | DrodoEmpire | ...And three territories |
| 22:06.20 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:06.23 | Technobliterator | there's already a colony on Mars |
| 22:06.32 | Monet | Three territories and two federal districts. |
| 22:06.37 | Monet | Unless Canada also ahs one |
| 22:07.07 | Technobliterator | so basically, the USPEHSWFDI is now just the Republic of Human Beings |
| 22:07.17 | Wormy_ | Then... |
| 22:07.24 | Technobliterator | then a robot apocalypse occurs and kills all humans |
| 22:07.25 | Technobliterator | THE END |
| 22:07.33 | The_Randomness | nice meme |
| 22:07.45 | DrodoEmpire | Then the whole thing falls apart due to vast cultural differences among humans <.< |
| 22:07.56 | Technobliterator | no, robots kill them first |
| 22:08.09 | DrodoEmpire | And nobody actually coming to a conclusion about what sort of government there should be, what the constitution should say, etc. |
| 22:08.18 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0cd9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.205.157) |
| 22:08.20 | Wormy_ | Nah, we will *be* robots by then |
| 22:08.26 | Technobliterator | no, robots kill them before they have to even make that decision |
| 22:08.37 | Wormy_ | Robots under the NWO neoliberal agenda |
| 22:08.41 | Technobliterator | they're in the midst of the discussion |
| 22:08.48 | Technobliterator | then robots kill everyone |
| 22:09.28 | Monet | Cyrannian: A good deal of this success appears to have come from the IT industry. of which the UK was a major ocntributor. |
| 22:09.36 | Cyrannian | That's why Ghel isn't here. He's plotting. |
| 22:09.55 | Wormy_ | He can multi-task |
| 22:10.01 | Technobliterator | nah, Ghel has this all figured out already |
| 22:10.16 | Technobliterator | he's using his subordinate, ChanServ, to spy on us |
| 22:10.28 | Technobliterator | and has discovered that we have figured out his plot |
| 22:10.38 | Wormy_ | He will haver many others |
| 22:10.47 | Monet | Ties in language and opinion meant Ireland was a great location for electronics firms to invest in, as it was but a stone's throw from the UK and france, who were big IT markets. |
| 22:10.49 | Technobliterator | and is now tracking our IP addresses to learn our house and send robots to our doors |
| 22:10.52 | Wormy_ | May more than a human can count in their lifetime |
| 22:10.58 | Wormy_ | many |
| 22:12.11 | Cyrannian | Well that's true, though remember that Ireland was apart of the UK (not just the empire) from 1800-1922, during which time growth was minimal, particularly during the Great Famine of the 1840s. The growth in the 90s was largely due to new economic policies which attracted American companies with lower tax rates |
| 22:12.43 | Monet | The late 20th century was a transformative period for much of the Northern Hemisphere |
| 22:12.58 | Technobliterator | I imagine the low tax rates was a lot to do with it, yeah |
| 22:13.50 | Monet | The Cold War was ending, computing technology was in its infancy and Asia was on the rise. |
| 22:16.21 | Cyrannian | Plus an English speaking workforce using the euro would have been a boon to American multinationals, though of course that came with drawbacks too |
| 22:16.39 | Monet | Ireland may have struggled, but that was perhaps the fault of empire; much of the British Empire was used as a means to power England. And while India is am assive tech hub now, in the empire's heydey it was also treated as a raw material deposit. |
| 22:17.53 | Monet | Come to think of it, I'd put forward that Ireland is part of a number of fountries that saw a transformative boom in the late 80s and early 90s. |
| 22:18.00 | Monet | countries* |
| 22:20.10 | Monet | Guess that's why economists gave its economy the same moniker as China, Korea and Japan were given. |
| 22:20.31 | Xho | OluapPlayer: [23:05] <@OluapPlayer_> When in doubt, nuke them This is more or less how Fallout happens |
| 22:20.48 | Xho | fukn names all bein odd |
| 22:21.47 | Xho | My internet's not coping well |
| 22:21.50 | Xho | I'm going to sleep then |
| 22:23.52 | Cyrannian | That's true, even though Ireland was just as much a part of the UK as Wales, Scotland and England, it was primarily seen as a food basket for England. As such, apart from linen industry, the industrial revolution wasn't implemented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Union_with_Great_Britain |
| 22:26.12 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 22:27.50 | Monet | Places that didn't benefit from the rise of mass manufacturing got ignored by technological progress, so to speak. |
| 22:28.59 | Monet | I think Portugal had a similar issue. |
| 22:29.31 | Monet | Even by the beginning of the 20th century much of the population still lived in the countryside. |
| 22:30.26 | Monet | Mao Zedong's policies and the Meiji restoration were, at least in part, an attempt to modernise though industry. |
| 22:33.37 | Monet | So i'd say it was brilliant foresight by Irish officials to embrace the coming information revolution. The UK modernised with steel and cotton, so Ireland would modernise with software and microchips. |
| 22:35.16 | Wormy_ | I tell the what's also attractive about Ireland - its has laws that protect data from spying, including US agencies. Google and Facebook have data centres there I think. |
| 22:35.52 | Cyrannian | The European HQ of both |
| 22:36.32 | Monet | Alas the 1995 Data Protection Act ,we hardly knew ye. |
| 22:40.36 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Well my dog just had a big drink, so no longer needs force feeding water with a syringe |
| 22:40.51 | DrodoEmpire | I'm happy to hear |
| 22:41.08 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 23:19.40 | dino82_ | back |
| 23:40.06 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (2f37c5db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.55.197.219) |
