| 00:00.23 | dinoman9877 | But I made them because Drodo kind of helped me figure out that my swarm would not do well as a main focus |
| 00:00.37 | dinoman9877 | So now I make a species that has enslaved the swarm as bio-weapons. :D |
| 00:02.38 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, whoops |
| 00:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 00:04.12 | dinoman9877 | I made a literal balloon animal Drodo. XD |
| 00:05.55 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 00:06.52 | dinoman9877 | Well it floats in the air by way of numerous helium bladders and a hollow skeleton (or it will when I make the fiction page) |
| 00:07.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh okay |
| 00:07.06 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 00:07.17 | The_Randomness | hmm |
| 00:07.35 | The_Randomness | helium is not an easy thing to come by on planets |
| 00:07.56 | dinoman9877 | Well they're on a planet that has a higher helium content in the atmosphere. |
| 00:08.05 | dinoman9877 | And they're gonna be notorious terraformers |
| 00:08.09 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps they developed on a gas-giant? |
| 00:08.34 | DrodoEmpire | (I'm not a biology-guy, so I dunno >.<) |
| 00:08.36 | dinoman9877 | If they were on a gas giant they couldn't make ships |
| 00:08.47 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh, maybe yeah |
| 00:08.49 | dinoman9877 | See they have two sets of nostrils |
| 00:08.52 | dinoman9877 | One takes in oxygen |
| 00:08.53 | The_Randomness | With a gas giant you have a higher abundance perhaps, but you could just go with other gasses then (H would be far more abundant) |
| 00:09.00 | dinoman9877 | One absorbs any helium it can get |
| 00:09.26 | The_Randomness | It's not that easy |
| 00:09.29 | dinoman9877 | Maybe the planet could be mostly water and heated by the sun |
| 00:09.39 | dinoman9877 | So there's a lot of water vapor in the air? :S |
| 00:10.38 | dinoman9877 | They just breathe the vapor in and the helium and oxygen are separated |
| 00:10.38 | The_Randomness | We get oxygen from the air because we have to toss it through our lungs to bind the oxygen to stuff, you still breathe in everything that came with it |
| 00:10.56 | Wormy_ | That's a funny synchronicity, I'm currently working on the atmosphere for the Super Collab world |
| 00:11.03 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 00:11.26 | dinoman9877 | Well I wanted to do something a bit different. Again. Sue me for it. >_< |
| 00:11.39 | DrodoEmpire | Its alright, you can |
| 00:11.39 | dinoman9877 | Every planet is different. One COULD have more helium by chance |
| 00:11.41 | The_Randomness | What vapor? |
| 00:11.49 | dinoman9877 | Water vapor. |
| 00:11.50 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah one could definitely |
| 00:11.57 | The_Randomness | That's hydrogen and oxygen... |
| 00:12.01 | dinoman9877 | Derp |
| 00:12.03 | dinoman9877 | I'm dumb |
| 00:12.06 | The_Randomness | And you would have to put a bunch of work into separating those |
| 00:12.10 | dinoman9877 | Sorry, didn't get sleep last night. <_> |
| 00:12.31 | dinoman9877 | Good point |
| 00:12.50 | The_Randomness | Also, it's not like you can just find helium anywhere. It stays gaseous and isn't bound in anything |
| 00:13.10 | The_Randomness | So your planet gradually loses helium the same way it does hydrogen |
| 00:13.27 | dinoman9877 | Hm... |
| 00:13.35 | Wormy_ | But yeah, like random said, hydrogen and helium won't stick around in the atmosphere for as long as water vapour or oxygen |
| 00:13.48 | dinoman9877 | Well is there an alternative I can use? |
| 00:14.01 | dinoman9877 | Something renewable? |
| 00:14.17 | The_Randomness | Hot air/gas is your best bet, but there's something else I'd like to say |
| 00:15.04 | The_Randomness | Creating these crazy aliens may be fun, but it's very difficult to make them relateable if you get into any sort of worldbuilding |
| 00:15.17 | DrodoEmpire | That's the issue, yeah |
| 00:15.35 | Wormy_ | If anyones interested, If the thermal velocity of a gas is more than one-sixth the escape velocity from a planet, the general rule is that more than half is gone after 1 billion years |
| 00:15.49 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 00:16.17 | dinoman9877 | What about methane? |
| 00:17.13 | dinoman9877 | I remember that the eosapiens from Expedition and Alien Planet used methane bladders to float around |
| 00:17.28 | The_Randomness | uhhh, that's dangerous as soon as you have to release any of it |
| 00:18.07 | The_Randomness | And that would need to be produced by the creature, but still, I'd advise not making crazy stuff like this personally |
| 00:18.15 | dinoman9877 | :T |
| 00:18.27 | dinoman9877 | Well just doing some biped is...well, overdone. |
| 00:18.35 | The_Randomness | Is it? |
| 00:18.51 | The_Randomness | Because you will need to account for the fact that their development would be absolutely different from ours, and that is a deep hole |
| 00:18.53 | Wormy_ | Well it depends, is this for the Super Collab or your own fiction? |
| 00:19.08 | The_Randomness | This is his own fiction that I presume will be going into the fictionverse |
| 00:19.23 | The_Randomness | Even making a new human culture is something that you can spend years on |
| 00:19.34 | The_Randomness | And it will still only be a faint reflection of something irl |
| 00:19.38 | Wormy_ | Well, that bit of taking into account the alternative development is the fun part |
| 00:19.48 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I get that |
| 00:20.06 | The_Randomness | But when you need to develop that, you start running into walls |
| 00:20.27 | The_Randomness | Why did they need tools? How did they produce technology? Why did they become more intelligent? |
| 00:20.28 | Wormy_ | Perhaps that's where this could be focused on |
| 00:21.36 | *** join/#sporewiki dinoman9877_ (c0b402e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.180.2.225) |
| 00:21.41 | dinoman9877_ | That was weird |
| 00:21.53 | DrodoEmpire | Disconnected? |
| 00:22.00 | dinoman9877_ | Apparently so |
| 00:22.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:22.06 | The_Randomness | I'm not saying "Don't make outlandish aliens," I'm saying that the path you're setting yourself on is dangerous |
| 00:22.08 | dinoman9877_ | But apparently not cuz I'm still there |
| 00:22.10 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that does happen from timen to time |
| 00:22.14 | DrodoEmpire | *time to time |
| 00:22.21 | DrodoEmpire | Well, not "dangerous" |
| 00:22.25 | dinoman9877_ | Dangerous logistically speaking? |
| 00:22.26 | Wormy_ | Hard to do right |
| 00:22.36 | The_Randomness | Yes, and easy to do horribly wrong |
| 00:22.37 | DrodoEmpire | Your keyboard isn't gonna explode like in Star trek |
| 00:22.38 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:22.41 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 00:22.58 | DrodoEmpire | Men in black suits aren't gonna drag you away on a helicopter (you can relax Wormy_) |
| 00:23.05 | DrodoEmpire | But its risky |
| 00:23.38 | The_Randomness | You are basically building an intelligent being from scratch |
| 00:23.40 | dinoman9877_ | Well I'm thinking of all possible alternatives. Heck now I'm even thinking to something in a show that tried to explain dragons to be scientifically plausible. Lol |
| 00:24.09 | Wormy_ | That being said, methane is a gas that might work, I believe its lighter and less dense than air, can be produced by biological processes and can stay in the atmosphere. |
| 00:24.12 | The_Randomness | eh, they aren't unless you had some sort of hexapod creature a few hundred million years ago |
| 00:24.27 | dinoman9877_ | Not plausible |
| 00:24.27 | The_Randomness | Methane is probably your best bet, yeah |
| 00:24.28 | dinoman9877_ | Well possible |
| 00:24.35 | Wormy_ | It is flammable, I believe, but something biology could adapt to or even exploit |
| 00:24.51 | dinoman9877_ | I think it was something about limestone being turned to hydrogen by ingestion |
| 00:25.05 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:25.12 | dinoman9877_ | I dunno. Weird. XD |
| 00:25.27 | The_Randomness | Dragons are probably just tales from ancient cultures finding dinosaur bones I bet |
| 00:25.35 | dinoman9877_ | Well of course |
| 00:25.39 | dinoman9877_ | Hm |
| 00:25.53 | The_Randomness | And heck, you can do a lot even with earth-like life |
| 00:25.56 | DrodoEmpire | Randomness: Dragons do have a deep tradition |
| 00:25.58 | dinoman9877_ | Carbon and hydrogen. Blah |
| 00:26.12 | Wormy_ | Now... I was reading in a book about evolution about the so-called Panda principle, where once something is established, it is likely to dominate. The evolution of the wing probably suppressed the evolution of balloonists in Earth's atmosphere, but the opposite could also be the case, that balloonists could evolve first |
| 00:26.13 | dinoman9877_ | Trying to think if I could make up a plant to break that into useful components |
| 00:26.21 | dinoman9877_ | Like with oxygen and carbon dioxide here on earth |
| 00:26.45 | The_Randomness | Methane isn't difficult to make with biological processes |
| 00:27.21 | The_Randomness | I'm making a six-limbed chameleon-like thing for another setting, and even that is getting a bit far out there |
| 00:27.28 | Wormy_ | Balloonists actually dominate the oceans on Earth, i.e. the evolution of the swim bladder, or the way kelp and various seaweeds can keep tight |
| 00:27.29 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:27.38 | The_Randomness | Yeah |
| 00:27.50 | The_Randomness | But they're in a much denser medium |
| 00:28.14 | dinoman9877_ | What's the feasibility of a plant absorbing methane and releasing the hydrogen as waste, and then that hydrogen being somehow useful? Little to none? |
| 00:28.48 | The_Randomness | Wouldn't be a plant then |
| 00:29.01 | dinoman9877_ | Well, 'plant' in a loose sense |
| 00:29.14 | dinoman9877_ | Fulfills a similar role but with different compounds |
| 00:29.16 | The_Randomness | Well, why would you need something that absorbs methane? |
| 00:29.28 | Wormy_ | Well, I'm reminded of these http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Balloon_Plant |
| 00:29.57 | dinoman9877_ | So that when the methane is released from the bladders (so the creature can lower itself), it's not just floating around in the atmosphere) |
| 00:30.13 | Wormy_ | From this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurelia_and_Blue_Moon |
| 00:30.59 | The_Randomness | I don't know, Wormy would probably be better at this than me |
| 00:31.15 | dinoman9877_ | The same way that plants absorb carbon dioxide so it's not just floating around in the atmosphere |
| 00:31.57 | dinoman9877_ | Well it was a nice thought anyway. blah. :T |
| 00:32.09 | The_Randomness | But that's all I'll say, aside from trying to figure out what these things are like, my main concern is when you try to do any sort of worldbuilding with them |
| 00:32.18 | Wormy_ | I don't know about methane, but the hypothetical Balloon plants were simply filled with hydrogem |
| 00:32.36 | TekDroid | D: Stellaris just crashed to desktop. |
| 00:32.39 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 00:33.06 | dinoman9877_ | As Random said, it's hard to seperate hydrogen from oxygen |
| 00:33.06 | dinoman9877_ | Where do they get the hydrogen from? |
| 00:33.14 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/8xl9qEnvbIw?t=32m46s |
| 00:34.37 | dinoman9877_ | Random said splitting water wasn't easy though. >_< |
| 00:34.41 | Wormy_ | Actually, I think you wouldn't need as much hydrogen assuming a higher atmospheric density, the atmosphere was more dense on Blue Moon thought experiment |
| 00:35.08 | dinoman9877_ | Well the planet was going to obviously have a higher density |
| 00:35.14 | Wormy_ | And there are organisms on Earth, come to think of it, kelp might be an example, that can split oxygen and hydrogen |
| 00:35.20 | dinoman9877_ | It wouldn't be an extremely viable tactic |
| 00:35.34 | dinoman9877_ | What about symbiotic microorganisms that do it for them? |
| 00:35.52 | Wormy_ | Like Random says, a denser atmosphere will make radical changes that you would have to think about |
| 00:36.04 | The_Randomness | e.g. everything catching on fire |
| 00:36.19 | dinoman9877_ | True... |
| 00:36.24 | Wormy_ | If that means higher oxygen concentration, I think |
| 00:37.21 | Wormy_ | In the Super Collab world I'm envisioning, the atmosphere will be ever so slightly denser |
| 00:37.43 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 00:37.44 | dinoman9877_ | What is the Super Collab world? |
| 00:37.52 | DrodoEmpire | Would that mean fires are easier to make/spread? |
| 00:38.02 | DrodoEmpire | A new universe we're working on |
| 00:38.05 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Super_Collab |
| 00:38.07 | DrodoEmpire | boutta be fire |
| 00:38.10 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 00:38.59 | dinoman9877_ | So...the community builds a planet? lol |
| 00:39.24 | DrodoEmpire | An entire universe, but for now the homeplanet for the main species |
| 00:39.32 | DrodoEmpire | Well, a sector anyway |
| 00:39.37 | DrodoEmpire | Not a whole universe |
| 00:40.19 | dinoman9877_ | Well then |
| 00:40.28 | dinoman9877_ | Dunno if I'd be the kind of person that could do much there. lol |
| 00:40.41 | dinoman9877_ | Well now I'm considering the splitting water idea... |
| 00:40.54 | DrodoEmpire | Well its a new universe, plenty of opportunity |
| 00:40.58 | DrodoEmpire | But your choice |
| 00:42.21 | dinoman9877_ | I guess I'll go back and make a new species. Ah well. |
| 00:45.10 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatocyst https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hydrogen_production_(algae) |
| 00:45.17 | Wormy_ | Dunno whether these might be useful |
| 00:46.15 | dinoman9877_ | Well I considered they could have symbiotic algae living under the skin |
| 00:46.24 | dinoman9877_ | I did give them green coloration... |
| 00:47.56 | Wormy_ | The article describes how some algae switch to the production of hydrogen if sulphur is deprived... There could be organs in the bodies of your creature that deplete sulphur so that it undergoes such a reaction. |
| 00:48.33 | dinoman9877_ | Absorb sulfur and expel it safely? Perhaps |
| 00:48.49 | dinoman9877_ | But we go back to the whole 'volatile' thing again like with methane |
| 00:49.01 | Wormy_ | Maybe it would be safer if in a liquid, like pee |
| 00:49.10 | dinoman9877_ | True |
| 00:49.37 | Wormy_ | That or the sulphur gets deposited somewhere. |
| 00:49.46 | dinoman9877_ | Where would the sulphur come from in the first place? |
| 00:51.15 | Wormy_ | Well its an essential component of living cells, so there must be enough in the environment for biology to make use of and create enzymes from. |
| 00:51.26 | Wormy_ | At this point, I'm out of my depth |
| 00:51.31 | dinoman9877_ | Blah |
| 00:51.43 | dinoman9877_ | It'll be easier if I make a new species I guess. Again. |
| 00:51.44 | dinoman9877_ | XD |
| 00:53.47 | Wormy_ | If concern with fire (and exploding gas bladders) is an issue during wildfires or the development of technology, perhaps these creatures can quickly expel it |
| 00:54.19 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I've got to go to bed, goodnight. |
| 00:54.34 | dinoman9877_ | Indeed. Plenty of animals quickly expel waste, or vomit, to get way, but that's because of being weighed down |
| 00:54.37 | dinoman9877_ | same principle though |
| 00:54.39 | dinoman9877_ | And okay |
| 00:54.52 | dinoman9877_ | Good night |
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| 01:09.37 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:10.25 | dinoman9877_ | Hi |
| 01:10.43 | dinoman9877_ | Why you testing chat? |
| 01:12.06 | DrodoEmpire | To check my connection. Why else? |
| 01:13.05 | dinoman9877_ | Dunno |
| 01:13.10 | dinoman9877_ | My connection seems out of whack too. |
| 01:13.50 | DrodoEmpire | It can happen |
| 01:14.08 | dinoman9877_ | Blah |
| 01:16.05 | DrodoEmpire | I think I might edit a page a mine. |
| 01:18.44 | dinoman9877_ | I'll hop back in Spore soon and make something new. |
| 01:19.07 | DrodoEditing | Okay |
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| 01:26.16 | TheDinoHunter | Hi everyone |
| 01:27.25 | dinoman9877_ | Murderer! |
| 01:28.29 | TheDinoHunter | Don't worry. I've forgotten to renew my Dino-hunting license |
| 01:29.09 | dinoman9877_ | That doesn't bring back the innocent that you've slaughtered! |
| 01:30.16 | TheDinoHunter | True |
| 01:33.58 | DrodoEditing | Its alright dinoman, Dino-huntin' industry's taken a big hit ever since all the working-age people went out west to work the oil fields |
| 01:33.59 | DrodoEditing | <.< |
| 01:34.32 | dinoman9877_ | lol |
| 01:34.38 | dinoman9877_ | Too little too late |
| 01:34.44 | dinoman9877_ | There's so few of us left. ;-; |
| 01:35.00 | dinoman9877_ | All because of that...HATEFUL GENOCIDE |
| 01:35.11 | TheDinoHunter | I'm sorry for killing your Dino friends |
| 01:35.14 | TheDinoHunter | <3 |
| 01:35.24 | dinoman9877_ | I will avenge them. >:C |
| 01:35.53 | TheDinoHunter | Then you must go through MY ARMY OF DINOSAUR AUTOMATONS!!!!!!! |
| 01:36.00 | TheDinoHunter | MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 01:36.04 | TheDinoHunter | jk |
| 01:36.09 | dinoman9877_ | ... |
| 01:36.18 | dinoman9877_ | *Has a swarm of millions of bug reptiles* |
| 01:36.35 | DrodoEditing | Well DinoHunter, you got a permit for all those Dinosaur automatons? |
| 01:36.47 | TheDinoHunter | Yes |
| 01:36.56 | TheDinoHunter | Who doesn't? |
| 01:37.02 | dinoman9877_ | *Burns permit* |
| 01:37.05 | dinoman9877_ | No he doesn't |
| 01:37.26 | DrodoEditing | Well, seems like it expired about three minutes ago anyway. |
| 01:37.30 | DrodoEditing | I'm callin' the cops |
| 01:37.40 | TheDinoHunter | *launches asteroid at dinosaur-filled planet* |
| 01:37.50 | dinoman9877_ | NO! |
| 01:37.53 | dinoman9877_ | This is a hate crime! |
| 01:37.58 | TheDinoHunter | I'll just apply for a new one |
| 01:38.00 | dinoman9877_ | I DEMAND HIS HEAD ON A SPIT! |
| 01:38.04 | DrodoEditing | screams at dinohunter; "YOU GOT A PERMIT FOR THAT ASTEROID?" |
| 01:38.16 | dinoman9877_ | You can't have permits for asteroids! |
| 01:38.20 | DrodoEditing | Under Canadian law that counts as an automatic weapon <.< |
| 01:38.23 | TheDinoHunter | YES AND IT'S DIGITAL!!!! |
| 01:38.27 | dinoman9877_ | You're kidding |
| 01:38.37 | dinoman9877_ | *Hacks database* No he doesn't. |
| 01:38.44 | TheDinoHunter | You can't burn it now!!! |
| 01:38.50 | DrodoEditing | Well considering how convoluted and dumb firearms laws tend to be in just about every country- I wouldn't be surprised. XD |
| 01:39.09 | dinoman9877_ | Or lack thereof (America) |
| 01:39.42 | TheDinoHunter | I still have it. It's on a personal flashdrive in a secret location on a secret planet in a secret galaxy in a secret universe |
| 01:39.43 | DrodoEditing | Very arbitrary too- They ban some guns on the basis of them being "scary" but let others that are more powerful and potentially-dangerous go because they're civilian or civilian-looking |
| 01:39.55 | TheDinoHunter | And yes, I have permits for everything involved |
| 01:40.05 | dinoman9877_ | AK-47s are civilian looking? |
| 01:40.18 | dinoman9877_ | I know you can buy those in some states |
| 01:40.23 | DrodoEditing | I never mentioned AK-47s? o.O |
| 01:40.33 | dinoman9877_ | Well it's a military grade weapon |
| 01:40.38 | DrodoEditing | Also the US is an exception really as they have relatively few gun laws |
| 01:40.40 | dinoman9877_ | But they can be bought in some states |
| 01:40.43 | DrodoEditing | Canada's are a bit absurd |
| 01:40.52 | dinoman9877_ | Yeah well I live here in this gun hugging land |
| 01:40.55 | DrodoEditing | At times anyway |
| 01:40.58 | dinoman9877_ | Help me |
| 01:41.41 | dinoman9877_ | Ooooh. |
| 01:41.44 | DrodoEditing | I don't want a country that bans all guns- That's absurd and ineffective and anti-freedom. But I think some sort of registration/blacklist system is important |
| 01:41.58 | DrodoEditing | Really what we need is a better mental-health industry |
| 01:42.07 | dinoman9877_ | 'Anti-freedom'? All you need is a pistol. |
| 01:42.13 | dinoman9877_ | Anything else is absurd. |
| 01:42.21 | dinoman9877_ | Even pistols can be excessive. |
| 01:42.39 | DrodoEditing | "need" is not what freedom's about- And the fact that you think pistols are low-grade in terms of restrictions shows your ignorance |
| 01:42.57 | DrodoEditing | Pistols are pretty restricted in most areas as they're easily-concealed |
| 01:43.37 | dinoman9877_ | Well I mean, there's a pretty big jump in gun size. |
| 01:43.46 | DrodoEditing | "gun size" is irrelevant |
| 01:43.55 | DrodoEditing | Wht does that even mean? |
| 01:43.57 | DrodoEditing | *what |
| 01:44.15 | dinoman9877_ | Well, usually a pistol isn't as deadly, mostly because of smaller cartridge |
| 01:44.27 | DrodoEditing | Freedom is about doing anything you want so long as you don't hurt anybody else- To that end, I think that if you aren't blacklisted from owning guns, and are responsible with your guns personally, you should own basically whatever you want |
| 01:44.27 | dinoman9877_ | But get into rifles or the like and we get a problem |
| 01:44.39 | DrodoEditing | That's dumb and you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:44.53 | dinoman9877_ | Well I wrote a paper on this just this year so... |
| 01:44.54 | DrodoEditing | A pistol kills just as easily at the range its effective at as a rifle |
| 01:45.16 | DrodoEditing | A rifle can't be concealed very easily, and most rifles owned by civilians are *hunting rifles* |
| 01:45.40 | DrodoEditing | Bolt action rifles that, yes, fire a bigger cartridge but are also slower to cycle and generally not good for killing other humans :p |
| 01:45.46 | dinoman9877_ | Well I'm just saying as common as mass shootings are nowadays |
| 01:45.54 | dinoman9877_ | And pistols don't tend to be the big killer |
| 01:46.01 | DrodoEditing | Yeah and that's a mental health problem more than anything |
| 01:46.11 | DrodoEditing | Should firearms be regulated? Yeah of course |
| 01:46.24 | DrodoEditing | But will that solve much of anything without other services? No |
| 01:46.24 | dinoman9877_ | I'm not saying get rid of them |
| 01:46.31 | DrodoEditing | I'm not saying you are |
| 01:46.40 | dinoman9877_ | But a grand majority of firearms that you can LEGALLY BUY are beyond excessive |
| 01:46.46 | DrodoEditing | What I am saying is that you think "freedom" is "only what you need |
| 01:46.52 | DrodoEditing | *", which is authoritarian |
| 01:47.02 | dinoman9877_ | No, but freedom isn't guns |
| 01:47.35 | DrodoEditing | Sure it is! Guns are a hobby, and if you don't hurt nobody with them (which the vast majority of gun-owners don't) then what's the problem? |
| 01:47.51 | DrodoEditing | Who put you in charge of saying what things "are" and "aren't" freedom? |
| 01:48.01 | dinoman9877_ | Guns are a weapon whose only purpose for existing is to kill. |
| 01:48.06 | dinoman9877_ | Common sense. |
| 01:48.08 | DrodoEditing | Pretty edgy, and wrong |
| 01:48.12 | DrodoEditing | Wrong wrong wrong |
| 01:48.19 | DrodoEditing | Why are most guns used for target practice then? |
| 01:48.21 | dinoman9877_ | Equating guns with freedom is like equating a sword with happiness. |
| 01:48.25 | DrodoEditing | Its not |
| 01:48.32 | dinoman9877_ | It exactly is |
| 01:48.35 | DrodoEditing | I'm not saying guns represent freedom either |
| 01:48.38 | dinoman9877_ | A gun does not give you freedom |
| 01:48.42 | DrodoEditing | Never said that |
| 01:48.47 | DrodoEditing | You sure love your strawman |
| 01:48.52 | dinoman9877_ | A gun is not a symbol of freedom |
| 01:48.57 | DrodoEditing | Never said that |
| 01:49.01 | DrodoEditing | Stop being so dense |
| 01:49.05 | dinoman9877_ | I'm dense? |
| 01:49.09 | DrodoEditing | Yep |
| 01:49.12 | DrodoEditing | Right now |
| 01:49.12 | dinoman9877_ | You're trying to bring freedom into this |
| 01:49.19 | dinoman9877_ | freedom has no place in this discussion |
| 01:49.45 | DrodoEditing | I'm saying that if someone wants to own a gun, they're mentally fit to, then they should be because you can;t raise any objection against it on their individual basis |
| 01:49.53 | DrodoEditing | Which you say baselessly |
| 01:50.09 | DrodoEditing | Anyway, back to your point about guns only being used to kill |
| 01:50.21 | dinoman9877_ | That is what they were expressly designed for |
| 01:50.27 | dinoman9877_ | Techincally any other way is misuse |
| 01:50.31 | DrodoEditing | No |
| 01:50.45 | DrodoEditing | Yes, firearms are weapons. But its a tool, an object, and objects are used in many ways other than their original purpose |
| 01:50.48 | dinoman9877_ | They weren't designed for looking pretty |
| 01:50.54 | DrodoEditing | Except many are |
| 01:51.00 | dinoman9877_ | Except they don't |
| 01:51.33 | DrodoEditing | Internal combustion engines were not originally designed for use in an SUV, yet they're used in one. Is that misuse? |
| 01:51.53 | dinoman9877_ | No, that's adaptation. Guns aren't a wall mount |
| 01:52.08 | dinoman9877_ | And technically neither is a deer head but that's a different discussion all together |
| 01:52.27 | DrodoEditing | Your division between "misuse" and "adaptation" is completely arbitrary, then |
| 01:52.30 | DrodoEditing | Lemme get another example |
| 01:52.42 | dinoman9877_ | Why would you buy something to never use it? |
| 01:52.50 | DrodoEditing | Ever hear of collecting? |
| 01:53.06 | DrodoEditing | Microwave technology wasn't originally made for cooking- yet its accidental usefulness in this area gave us microwave ovens |
| 01:53.09 | DrodoEditing | Is *this* misuse? |
| 01:53.24 | DrodoEditing | Also, target shooting is just another "adaptation" down the same line |
| 01:53.29 | DrodoEditing | Its also completely harmless |
| 01:53.32 | dinoman9877_ | No. But gunpowder and weapons weren't made for sitting on a mantle |
| 01:53.36 | dinoman9877_ | And they still aren't |
| 01:53.48 | dinoman9877_ | Until you lose control of the gun and shoot someone |
| 01:53.48 | DrodoEditing | And microwave tech wasn't made for cooking yet it is |
| 01:53.59 | DrodoEditing | Which people who know how to use guns don't do |
| 01:54.02 | DrodoEditing | Basically wghat you |
| 01:54.17 | dinoman9877_ | Well obviously the instructor didn't since they gave it to a little girl |
| 01:54.22 | dinoman9877_ | I kid you not |
| 01:54.27 | dinoman9877_ | Parents took a CHILD to a shooting range |
| 01:54.35 | dinoman9877_ | They gave her an UZI MACHINEGUN |
| 01:54.38 | DrodoEditing | Yeah, to teach them how to use it responsibly |
| 01:54.47 | DrodoEditing | Stop asspulling red herrings |
| 01:54.51 | dinoman9877_ | And she killed the instructor |
| 01:54.56 | dinoman9877_ | No child should ever be given a gun |
| 01:54.58 | DrodoEditing | *what your argument is that "because it can potentially be used to kill someone, they should be 'restricted'" |
| 01:55.07 | dinoman9877_ | Not potentiallt |
| 01:55.10 | dinoman9877_ | *potentially |
| 01:55.11 | DrodoEditing | Not an uzi no, but they should learn gun safety |
| 01:55.15 | dinoman9877_ | It's what it's MADE for |
| 01:55.40 | DrodoEditing | That's their original use, yes! But intent and actual use differ and actual use is far more important |
| 01:55.46 | DrodoEditing | I go back to my microwave example |
| 01:56.15 | DrodoEditing | Are you finished wasting my time yet? |
| 01:56.20 | dinoman9877_ | Except that guns don't have any potential alternate use. Not one that isn't a waste |
| 01:56.33 | dinoman9877_ | Not until you give an acceptable answer. |
| 01:56.36 | DrodoEditing | A "waste" to you, a "hobby" to others |
| 01:56.51 | DrodoEditing | "Acceptable answer" get off your high horse |
| 01:57.25 | dinoman9877_ | I have a friend that has a hobby of collecting swords. He has hurt himself multiple times, he's almost killed himself |
| 01:57.28 | dinoman9877_ | But it's just a hobby |
| 01:57.58 | DrodoEditing | Right, sometimes hobbies are dangerous |
| 01:58.01 | dinoman9877_ | His family is unstable |
| 01:58.03 | DrodoEditing | Should we ban dangerous hobbies now? |
| 01:58.11 | DrodoEditing | Right, ever think that factors into it? |
| 01:58.23 | dinoman9877_ | His father is abusive, his mother is on medicine |
| 01:58.23 | DrodoEditing | And that not all sword/gun collectors are so careless? |
| 01:58.29 | dinoman9877_ | His sister is an idiot |
| 01:58.41 | DrodoEditing | Answer my question |
| 01:58.52 | dinoman9877_ | Humans specialize in carelessness. |
| 01:58.53 | DrodoEditing | Answer them, as I have yours many timnes |
| 01:59.06 | DrodoEditing | That's a dumb generalization- I want an actual answer |
| 01:59.31 | DrodoEditing | Your argument is just "we should stop being from doing potentially unsafe things for their own good" |
| 01:59.32 | dinoman9877_ | Human error exists. Even the most careful person can end up with a bullet in them |
| 01:59.42 | DrodoEditing | Yeah, *can*. There's risk in everything |
| 02:00.05 | DrodoEditing | And I look dimly on those who would sooner restrict peoples' freedoms on the basis of "looking out for their |
| 02:00.12 | dinoman9877_ | Well what happens if that person develops depression or other mental diseases, something that seems to be more common day by day |
| 02:00.12 | DrodoEditing | *them" |
| 02:00.19 | dinoman9877_ | Or what if someoen like that breaks into their home |
| 02:00.28 | dinoman9877_ | What if they lend a gun to a friend that is like that? |
| 02:00.31 | DrodoEditing | *Listen*. I addressed that |
| 02:00.41 | DrodoEditing | I said we should better fund the mental health industry |
| 02:00.46 | DrodoEditing | Don't act like I didn't |
| 02:01.01 | dinoman9877_ | That requires someone actually doing something to get them in |
| 02:01.10 | DrodoEditing | Now I'm done, all I have to say is that, at least *right now*, all you're being is a moralizing, arrogant busybody. |
| 02:01.13 | dinoman9877_ | Because more often than not, the afflicted person doesn't |
| 02:02.09 | dinoman9877_ | I'm arrogant? That's quite a laugh. If I were arrogant I'd say I'm right because I say so. |
| 02:02.31 | dinoman9877_ | No, I'm right because of the thousands of people kileld each year by guns, legally acquired or otherwise |
| 02:02.53 | DrodoEditing | I know there are many people killed by guns- I'm not denying there's a problem, what I |
| 02:03.07 | DrodoEditing | *I'm disagreeing with is your authoritarian take on this issue |
| 02:03.23 | dinoman9877_ | It's not authoritarian. Authoritarian would be imprison everyone who has a gun for life |
| 02:03.39 | DrodoEditing | Nope, that's fa;se |
| 02:03.42 | DrodoEditing | *false |
| 02:03.57 | DrodoEditing | And you *are* arrogant, what with asking for an "acceptable answer" and feeling you're above answering my questions |
| 02:04.22 | dinoman9877_ | I wasn't above answering your questions |
| 02:04.25 | dinoman9877_ | I did answer them |
| 02:04.39 | DrodoEditing | Then why did you answer so few, and frame them as self-important little monologues? |
| 02:04.53 | DrodoEditing | And why do you consistently misrepresent my argument? |
| 02:04.58 | dinoman9877_ | I don't. |
| 02:05.05 | DrodoEditing | You did, countless times |
| 02:05.20 | DrodoEditing | Again, you love your strawman |
| 02:05.21 | dinoman9877_ | Guns and freedom are separate but you tried to keep bringing one into a discussion about the other |
| 02:05.39 | dinoman9877_ | If anything, guns infringe on freedom |
| 02:05.52 | DrodoEditing | Well no, they aren't *quite*. Freedom can *include* guns, and the right and ability to own them responsibly |
| 02:06.05 | dinoman9877_ | But most people DON'T |
| 02:06.07 | DrodoEditing | But they are not one in the same or constitute the other |
| 02:06.10 | dinoman9877_ | 300 million guns in the US |
| 02:06.29 | dinoman9877_ | That's almost as much as the whole population! |
| 02:06.39 | dinoman9877_ | In fact it's probably higher! |
| 02:07.09 | dinoman9877_ | Why do we need to have more guns than the whole population combined? |
| 02:07.14 | dinoman9877_ | What is the actual point? |
| 02:07.16 | dinoman9877_ | A hobby. |
| 02:07.29 | dinoman9877_ | A hobby which has proven can go wrong if the right hands turn into the wrong ones |
| 02:07.30 | DrodoEditing | ...So? If most people do the minimum to make sure they're handled responsibly then there isn't a problem- there *is* an issue with irresponsible ownership and and mental health which can be addressed through reasonable regulation |
| 02:07.41 | DrodoEditing | Shut the fuck up for a second |
| 02:07.43 | DrodoEditing | Just |
| 02:07.45 | DrodoEditing | No |
| 02:07.46 | dinoman9877_ | But there is no regulation. |
| 02:07.46 | DrodoEditing | Listen |
| 02:08.14 | DrodoEditing | AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM TOO, YOU IGNORAMUS |
| 02:08.33 | dinoman9877_ | But there's no regulation because there would be an outcry |
| 02:08.38 | dinoman9877_ | It would 'infringe on freedom' |
| 02:08.42 | The_Randomness | zzz |
| 02:08.50 | dinoman9877_ | Which are arguments people actually use, I assure you |
| 02:09.00 | dinoman9877_ | I've heard it first hand |
| 02:09.20 | DrodoEditing | But you can't point to some vague statistic and say "I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THIS"- What's the issue with lots of people owning guns if they keep it to themselves (which some people don't I agree) |
| 02:09.39 | DrodoEditing | Too fucking bad, its their right, and you don't need to say shit if they don't bother you with it, which most people don't |
| 02:10.33 | DrodoEditing | As for regulation infringing on freedom- It can, sure, but sometimes some common sense regulation is important and need not affect many gun owners |
| 02:10.41 | DrodoEditing | I *agree* |
| 02:11.00 | DrodoEditing | If you'd get the shit out of your eyes maybe we could actually understand eachother |
| 02:11.14 | dinoman9877_ | I'd say the same to you. |
| 02:11.36 | dinoman9877_ | There's a fine line of EXCESSIVENESS, but I forget, hobbies. |
| 02:11.43 | DrodoEditing | No there isn't |
| 02:11.43 | dinoman9877_ | Hobbies warrant having military grade weapons |
| 02:12.05 | DrodoEditing | What's excessive? What does that mean? Where is that line? Who says that's the line and where it is? |
| 02:12.06 | DrodoEditing | Oh, right |
| 02:12.13 | DrodoEditing | You. 'Cause you're God now |
| 02:12.14 | The_Randomness | Yeah, obviously that's your job |
| 02:13.03 | DrodoEditing | And if they own military-grade weapons? Let'em. If we have no reason to think they'll go out and commit mass-murder we have no reason to arbitrarily tell them no |
| 02:13.55 | DrodoEditing | And sure we need a framework in place, but that doesn't necessitate telling people what is "excessive" as if you |
| 02:14.06 | DrodoEditing | *you are the Pope telling people what's "sinful" this day of the week |
| 02:14.11 | dinoman9877_ | We have no reason to be selling military weapons to civilians |
| 02:14.16 | DrodoEditing | Why? |
| 02:14.27 | dinoman9877_ | Why sell them to civilians? |
| 02:14.34 | DrodoEditing | Why not? |
| 02:14.40 | dinoman9877_ | But why? |
| 02:14.45 | dinoman9877_ | There's no real reason. |
| 02:14.49 | DrodoEditing | Not the question you ask in a liberal democracy, kid |
| 02:14.51 | dinoman9877_ | They don't NEED a machine gun |
| 02:15.02 | dinoman9877_ | They shouldn't WANT a machine gun |
| 02:15.08 | dinoman9877_ | Why would someone want a machine gun? |
| 02:15.10 | dinoman9877_ | To look cool? |
| 02:15.12 | DrodoEditing | "Need" isn't what freedom's about, and you have no right to tell people what they want or not want |
| 02:15.16 | dinoman9877_ | A statement of masculinity? |
| 02:15.21 | The_Randomness | And where do you draw the line? |
| 02:15.24 | DrodoEditing | You can't read their mind, you don't know them |
| 02:15.31 | DrodoEditing | You aren't God, stop pretending you are |
| 02:15.39 | dinoman9877_ | I'm not pretending I am |
| 02:15.42 | DrodoEditing | You are |
| 02:15.53 | DrodoEditing | If they went through the process to be able to own a machine gun, let them |
| 02:15.56 | DrodoEditing | Its their freedom to do so |
| 02:16.12 | dinoman9877_ | But WHY does that process exist? Just think about one thing Drodo |
| 02:16.20 | DrodoEditing | Alright God |
| 02:16.25 | dinoman9877_ | Many other developed countries have heavy gun restrictions |
| 02:16.31 | DrodoEditing | I know, and I disagre |
| 02:16.32 | DrodoEditing | *e |
| 02:16.32 | dinoman9877_ | Their gun violence doesn't even come close to ours |
| 02:16.46 | dinoman9877_ | Not even if you count scaling with population |
| 02:16.46 | DrodoEditing | Right, but knife violence and other violent crime's still pretty high |
| 02:16.59 | DrodoEditing | And I stand by principles, anyway. Unlike you |
| 02:17.28 | dinoman9877_ | A knife isn't going to kill forty people unless they're extremely dumb or blind |
| 02:17.33 | DrodoEditing | I stand by the principle of letting people do what they want, so long as they don't hurt anybody else while doing it. Most firearms owners manage to do that |
| 02:17.56 | dinoman9877_ | Well I stand by the principle of 'too much risk for no foreseeable gain' |
| 02:18.01 | DrodoEditing | Should there be a framework in place? Sure. That's to minimize the crazies |
| 02:18.12 | DrodoEditing | Right, and that makes you an authoritarian, whom I'm given to hate |
| 02:18.31 | dinoman9877_ | Now who's generalizing? |
| 02:18.32 | DrodoEditing | If you *really* believe that, I'd look at the countries that actually operate under that system |
| 02:18.57 | DrodoEditing | Not a generalization at all to analyze your ideology and say "Yeah... no |
| 02:19.08 | DrodoEditing | You take your freedom for granted |
| 02:19.20 | dinoman9877_ | Well I have one think to say Drodo. This isn't democracy so don't treat it like it is. |
| 02:19.29 | DrodoEditing | You think its assumed you'll be able to do whatever *you* want to do because nobody, certainly not the government, told you otherwise |
| 02:19.38 | DrodoEditing | You're an entitled, arrogant, moralizing liberal |
| 02:19.44 | dinoman9877_ | I am a liberal |
| 02:19.46 | The_Randomness | ...what? What sort of system do you think we live in? |
| 02:19.46 | DrodoEditing | And that's coming from a fellow liberal |
| 02:19.55 | dinoman9877_ | Someone needs to keep this country alive |
| 02:20.14 | dinoman9877_ | A republic. We vote for the officials, then they compete with each other and get nothing done |
| 02:20.24 | DrodoEditing | And I'll stand by classical liberal values the nations of the west were built on |
| 02:20.41 | dinoman9877_ | Take the land of others and kill bison? |
| 02:20.44 | DrodoEditing | You can try putting in whatever the fuck you want and I'll oppose you at every turn |
| 02:20.54 | dinoman9877_ | That's what this nation was built on |
| 02:21.02 | The_Randomness | yeah, sure dude. It's not like there's more to the government than the people in Congress |
| 02:21.07 | DrodoEditing | ^ |
| 02:21.15 | dinoman9877_ | There's the president that the congress stomps on |
| 02:21.21 | The_Randomness | And believe it or not, they actually can get things done sometimes |
| 02:21.23 | dinoman9877_ | And the supreme court |
| 02:21.32 | DrodoEditing | That's utterly besides the point, now put away your dumb leftie talking-points |
| 02:21.35 | The_Randomness | Stop trying to sound smarter than you are |
| 02:21.39 | dinoman9877_ | Which has, until recently, been mostly republican |
| 02:21.48 | dinoman9877_ | Then you get into the smaller governing bodies of state |
| 02:22.03 | dinoman9877_ | 'Leftie talking-points'. |
| 02:22.18 | dinoman9877_ | I've never heard anything more dumb in my life. |
| 02:22.30 | The_Randomness | I suggest you stop now |
| 02:22.44 | dinoman9877_ | You guys call me entitled and then you go on and shoot down any other opinion |
| 02:22.46 | DrodoEditing | Well am I wrong? I mention the classical liberalism the American ideology was built upon and then you immediately go to "muh native americans |
| 02:22.59 | DrodoEditing | I get it, I've researched that topic and it was a dark time |
| 02:23.07 | DrodoEditing | But its an exaggeration and doesn't address my point |
| 02:23.17 | DrodoEditing | Its an attack made to misdirect the argument |
| 02:23.52 | dinoman9877_ | Liberalism then is conservatism now. |
| 02:24.10 | DrodoEditing | Right, and "conservatives = bad" amirite??? |
| 02:24.16 | The_Randomness | DrodoEditing: yeehaw |
| 02:24.32 | dinoman9877_ | More often than not, yes. No side is perfect but I'd rather be a liberal. |
| 02:24.39 | DrodoEditing | No, Classical Liberalism are ideas like universal rights, citizenship, and democracy. Everyone but you likes these dieas |
| 02:24.40 | DrodoEditing | *ideas |
| 02:24.48 | DrodoEditing | You're a regressive, leftist fascist right now/ |
| 02:24.50 | DrodoEditing | Stop it. |
| 02:24.58 | dinoman9877_ | I'm regressive |
| 02:25.05 | dinoman9877_ | I'M regressive |
| 02:25.09 | DrodoEditing | Yeo |
| 02:25.10 | DrodoEditing | *Yep |
| 02:25.22 | dinoman9877_ | If I were regressive, I'd say everyone have a gun, gotta be ready to shoot a criminal |
| 02:25.26 | The_Randomness | ugh |
| 02:25.28 | The_Randomness | stop this right now |
| 02:25.30 | DrodoEditing | You'd sooner disregard the ideas the west was built on because you |
| 02:25.34 | dinoman9877_ | I'd say hang anyone who's not straight |
| 02:25.35 | DrodoEditing | *you take them for granted |
| 02:25.40 | dinoman9877_ | Throw women back in the kitchen |
| 02:25.50 | The_Randomness | Alright, that's it. |
| 02:26.05 | *** kick/#sporewiki [dinoman9877_!~chatzilla@2601:441:1:5b80:d7e:3bbc:48b4:caf0] by The_Randomness (dinoman9877_) |
| 02:26.14 | DrodoEditing | Sure that was necessary? |
| 02:26.20 | DrodoEditing | I mean, I didn't like him either... |
| 02:26.28 | DrodoEditing | Anyway, what's done is done now |
| 02:26.29 | The_Randomness | I could've temp banned him, but he was being disruptive |
| 02:26.35 | DrodoEditing | Fair enough |
| 02:26.40 | DrodoEditing | I sorta liked him, too |
| 02:26.41 | The_Randomness | Not that you're entirely clean either, you had your fair share of name calling |
| 02:26.48 | DrodoEditing | I know, I get heated |
| 02:26.54 | The_Randomness | Not that I blame you |
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| 02:27.03 | DrodoEditing | Right, no I understand |
| 02:27.17 | dinoman9877 | A kick for an opinion. Thanks so much. |
| 02:27.28 | The_Randomness | No problem |
| 02:27.30 | DrodoEditing | I didn't agree very much either |
| 02:27.40 | DrodoEditing | But we both needed time I suppose |
| 02:27.47 | The_Randomness | Now, I'm going to make lunch now, I better not see more pointless arguing when I get back |
| 02:27.54 | The_Randomness | And needless namecalling |
| 02:28.08 | DrodoEditing | Right, let us bury the hatchet now before it gets worse |
| 02:28.22 | dinoman9877 | I will say one thing Drodo. I don't like democracy, no. |
| 02:28.26 | dinoman9877 | It's easily corruptible |
| 02:28.30 | dinoman9877 | All governments are |
| 02:28.43 | DrodoEditing | I have my criticisms too, but I said we should drop this so we are\ |
| 02:28.46 | dinoman9877 | I dream of a time when we as a race can surpass primal stupidity |
| 02:28.55 | DrodoEditing | I get it, now you can stop |
| 02:28.59 | dinoman9877 | Alright, alright |
| 02:29.06 | The_Randomness | Put the soapbox away please |
| 02:29.08 | The_Randomness | brb |
| 02:47.50 | Technobliterator | I'm, uh |
| 02:47.51 | Technobliterator | glad I missed that |
| 02:48.24 | dinoman9877 | A clash of opinions |
| 02:48.28 | dinoman9877 | Ugliness incarnate |
| 02:59.06 | DrodoEditing | Yeah it was a falling-out |
| 02:59.09 | DrodoEditing | Since resolved |
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| 12:07.32 | lukosa | hey guys. So i finished my creature page ok... but when i start making my empire page and i type [[the creature i created]] it is not linking it to my other page... any suggestions why? i am new |
| 12:10.56 | Ghelaway | You need [[Creature:Benviod]]. |
| 12:11.33 | lukosa | ooooh... that was simpler than i though :P thanks |
| 12:11.53 | Ghelaway | No problem. Basically, the [[ ]] around a word replace http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/ in front of it. |
| 12:12.32 | lukosa | i used the templates from the site to make them |
| 12:13.25 | lukosa | rThe spore id that it says on the creature editing form. What is it? |
| 12:13.56 | lukosa | and i tried what you said but it doesnt work again :/ |
| 12:16.00 | lukosa | actually wait |
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| 12:17.46 | lukosa | ok it works. |
| 12:23.01 | Ghelaway | The Spore ID is the ID number that Spore gives to every creature, which can be found in the web address of its Sporepedia page. |
| 12:24.05 | Ghelaway | It's useful if anyone wants to download it from the Sporepedia rather than by using the png, but (especially since Dark Injection is used so often) I don't think most people bother any more. |
| 12:26.27 | lukosa | oh ok |
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| 14:43.46 | TekDroid | Hello Ghel |
| 14:44.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:17.07 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZqHaBkgYTo Oh my |
| 15:17.11 | OluapPlayer | Civ VI is coming |
| 15:23.41 | OluapPlayer | http://store.steampowered.com/app/289070/ |
| 15:23.48 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: Should interest you |
| 15:24.41 | ImpyDroid | à¦à¦¨à¦à¦£à¦®à¦¨-à¦
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| 15:24.54 | ImpyDroid | I am pleased |
| 15:25.18 | ImpyDroid | Oh God that thumbnail |
| 15:27.18 | ImpyDroid | "something greater" Shows Gandhi |
| 15:27.31 | ImpyDroid | Thermonuclear weapons instead of nuclear weapons? |
| 15:27.45 | OluapPlayer | We need to destroy harder |
| 15:28.00 | OluapPlayer | Not sure what to make of the cartoony graphics though |
| 15:28.06 | OluapPlayer | Not something I'd expect from Civ |
| 15:28.39 | TekDroid | That is a lot more cartoony than I expected. |
| 15:28.54 | ImpyDroid | The artstyle is weird |
| 15:28.59 | ImpyDroid | Like a comic book |
| 15:32.41 | ImpyDroid | They are bringing back stacks of units |
| 15:33.06 | ImpyDroid | Thought it was one of the most hated features of Civilization IV |
| 15:33.50 | OluapPlayer | As far as I'm aware their removal was one of the most hated changes of V hur |
| 15:34.00 | ImpyDroid | I wonder what civilisations we will have this time |
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| 15:34.18 | ImpyDroid | I hope to see more of the former Soviet bloc |
| 15:34.20 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 15:34.24 | ImpyDroid | Ukraine operhaps |
| 15:34.26 | ImpyDroid | Hi Hachi |
| 15:34.28 | ImpyDroid | Or Armenia |
| 15:34.58 | ImpyDroid | And Israel |
| 15:35.09 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Civ VI was announced |
| 15:35.17 | Hachiman | i SAW |
| 15:35.19 | Hachiman | I saw |
| 15:35.20 | ImpyDroid | oh |
| 15:35.34 | Hachiman | More interested in Stellaris and Overwatch really |
| 15:36.15 | Hachiman | Stellaris because it is Spore's Space Stage done right and Overwatch because girls with hot and cute butts |
| 15:36.17 | ImpyDroid | We all have different tastes I presume |
| 15:36.34 | ImpyDroid | Widowmaker is honestly ew |
| 15:36.38 | ImpyDroid | Tracer tho |
| 15:36.45 | Hachiman | I like Widowmaker |
| 15:36.53 | OluapPlayer | I only know of Overwatch because of Widowmaker's ass |
| 15:37.00 | ImpyDroid | C, different tastes |
| 15:37.07 | ImpyDroid | Ass vs tits |
| 15:37.08 | Hachiman | D.VA is also cute |
| 15:37.14 | Hachiman | D.Va even |
| 15:37.26 | ImpyDroid | Heavina is best |
| 15:37.33 | ImpyDroid | FOR MOTHER TUMBLRUSSIA |
| 15:38.04 | ImpyDroid | Tracer is also best |
| 15:38.31 | Hachiman | Zarya is kinda cool |
| 15:39.00 | ImpyDroid | That Arab lady was cool too, I like flyig |
| 15:39.05 | ImpyDroid | What was her name? |
| 15:39.49 | Hachiman | Symmetra |
| 15:40.35 | ImpyDroid | That is Indian |
| 15:40.41 | ImpyDroid | The one with blue armour and a missile |
| 15:40.47 | ImpyDroid | missile launcher even |
| 15:40.57 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 15:40.59 | Hachiman | Lemme remember |
| 15:41.11 | Hachiman | Pharah? |
| 15:41.17 | ImpyDroid | Yes hr |
| 15:41.18 | ImpyDroid | her |
| 15:41.47 | Hachiman | Symmetra and Pharah are hot |
| 15:41.51 | Hachiman | Widowmaker tho |
| 15:42.06 | ImpyDroid | Here we are going to disagree |
| 15:42.18 | Hachiman | Well, Symmetra is more cute |
| 15:42.21 | ImpyDroid | Widowmaker's breasts are disproportionate to her ass |
| 15:42.29 | ImpyDroid | She's also a bit too vulgar |
| 15:42.38 | Hachiman | ur a bit 2 vulgar |
| 15:42.44 | ImpyDroid | I'm more into elegant girls hur |
| 15:42.57 | Hachiman | Tracer isn't elegant hur |
| 15:43.04 | OluapPlayer | I don't know what she's like or even what any of them sound like, I only really care about their bodies |
| 15:43.05 | ImpyDroid | But she is cute |
| 15:43.11 | OluapPlayer | I don't care about this game as you can see hur |
| 15:43.19 | Hachiman | Oluap's opinions on women in general |
| 15:43.25 | ImpyDroid | BTW I fully approve the removal of Tracer asswaving |
| 15:43.39 | Hachiman | Eh, Tracer's new pose suits her better |
| 15:43.42 | Hachiman | She's more excited |
| 15:43.44 | Hachiman | And jolly |
| 15:43.47 | ImpyDroid | Exactly |
| 15:43.48 | OluapPlayer | The asswaving that was replaced by an ass show-off |
| 15:43.59 | ImpyDroid | Let her be sexy but also elegant |
| 15:44.04 | ImpyDroid | And cute |
| 15:44.23 | Hachiman | I'd have expected you to like D.Va considering she's a qt South Korean girl |
| 15:44.27 | Hachiman | Oh wait, South Korean |
| 15:44.35 | ImpyDroid | I do not like South Korean girls hur |
| 15:44.46 | ImpyDroid | They are too artificial |
| 15:44.57 | Hachiman | Funny cus she pilots a mech |
| 15:45.06 | ImpyDroid | c |
| 15:45.25 | ImpyDroid | And it has about as much silicon in it |
| 15:46.56 | Hachiman | I don't think D.Va is that kind of girl |
| 15:47.03 | ImpyDroid | True that |
| 15:47.12 | Hachiman | Considering she is a gamer fanatic and pro-StarCraft player |
| 15:48.08 | OluapPlayer | fite me 1v1 in frozen throne and c wat happens |
| 15:48.16 | OluapPlayer | spoiler: I'll get fucked, but still |
| 15:48.21 | Hachiman | hur |
| 15:50.37 | ImpyDroid | I was fucked in WC3 |
| 15:50.41 | ImpyDroid | Even by fucking bots |
| 15:50.54 | OluapPlayer | Same |
| 15:51.01 | OluapPlayer | I like RTSs but I suck at them |
| 15:51.20 | OluapPlayer | Played DoW on Easy, finished Warcraft with cheats |
| 15:51.35 | Hachiman | Overwatch has a character called Lúcio who is an afro-Brazilian that has Capoeira-style dance moves, is some kind of DJ, and grew up in a favela in Rio de Janeiro while Brazil was in the middle of a financial upheaval |
| 15:52.15 | ImpyDroid | I understand Overwatch wants to be TF2 but somehow it is even more stereotypical hur |
| 15:52.22 | OluapPlayer | Boy that's one stereotype if I've ever seen one |
| 15:54.01 | Hachiman | Overwatch's resident Scandinavian character is actually a fucking dwarf |
| 15:54.24 | Hachiman | With a Viking-style skin as well |
| 15:55.01 | OluapPlayer | That's another thing I know about the game |
| 15:55.06 | OluapPlayer | It has a guy that looks like a dwarf |
| 15:55.14 | OluapPlayer | and there's fat guy that looks like Pudge as a human |
| 15:55.20 | Hachiman | Roadhog |
| 15:56.53 | Hachiman | Both of the Japanese characters are ninja / samurai and have a clan feud; the Nepalese character is a levitating monk who can utilize qi and is a wandering guru |
| 15:57.44 | ImpyDroid | C |
| 15:57.49 | ImpyDroid | Like TF2 but WORSE |
| 15:59.03 | ImpyDroid | I am disappointed Zarya does not have a bear |
| 16:00.06 | Hachiman | She does not need a bear; it states in her lore that she is the strongest woman in the world |
| 16:01.32 | Hachiman | "Zarya's design emerged from player demand for a greater diversity of genders, body types, and ethnicities." |
| 16:03.04 | OluapPlayer | >player demand |
| 16:03.04 | OluapPlayer | Sure |
| 16:04.10 | Hachiman | I'm not really all that opposed to Zarya's appearance other than her really Tumblrette hair |
| 16:09.44 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman ImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:11.08 | Hachiman | Oh my God |
| 16:11.10 | Hachiman | My sides |
| 16:53.05 | Technobliterator | I don't know why you're having a hard time believing that there may be a player demand for that |
| 16:55.31 | OluapPlayer | I don't care |
| 16:55.56 | Technobliterator | also Uncharted 4's multiplayer is surprisingly good |
| 16:55.57 | Technobliterator | 0.0 |
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| 18:01.51 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Seen |
| 18:02.07 | ImpyDroid | I have only one thing to say |
| 18:02.11 | ImpyDroid | OOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:02.53 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Well Tumblrinas are players too |
| 18:02.57 | ImpyDroid | Some of them at least |
| 18:09.06 | ImpyDroid | I am not sure what to think of Zarya's appearance TBH |
| 18:09.31 | ImpyDroid | Like I do not like that all female characters are so oversexualised and I would like a more down to earth female character |
| 18:09.47 | ImpyDroid | But then again few gamer girls would like to play as a fat Tumblrina |
| 18:10.00 | ImpyDroid | If judging purely by appearance that is |
| 18:13.01 | ImpyDroid | Guys where is evetone |
| 18:13.04 | ImpyDroid | everyone even |
| 18:13.40 | Ghelae | ~give ImpyDroid a cookie |
| 18:13.40 | infobot | ACTION gives ImpyDroid a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 18:37.32 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 18:37.53 | AdmiralPanda | so, my new computer is all hooked up, monitor works, today I start working on the games front |
| 18:42.13 | ImpyDroid2 | nice |
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| 18:55.39 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/15979584/14629929118020.png Ugraine |
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| 19:59.26 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 19:59.48 | Xho | bonjour |
| 20:08.12 | Xho | ~kick OluapPlayer |
| 20:08.12 | infobot | ACTION kicks OluapPlayer |
| 20:08.13 | Xho | y u no hi |
| 20:08.22 | Xho | and all of u |
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| 20:11.42 | Jepardi_ | Best internet |
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| 20:16.17 | Xho | "Civilization VI" |
| 20:16.22 | Xho | Better have Nuclear Gandhi |
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| 20:17.12 | Jepardi_ | Gandhi is confirmed |
| 20:17.35 | Xho | but nuclear gandhi tho |
| 20:20.23 | Jepardi_ | It's also going have all mechanics that were included in Civ 5's dlc (religion, spies, etc) |
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| 20:20.44 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:20.55 | Jepardi_ | Hi |
| 20:44.04 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 20:46.54 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiNAihOW0AAVinG.jpg:large - Same fur pattern and eye colour as my oldest cat :3 |
| 20:47.02 | DrodoEmpire | Not as stocky as mine though |
| 20:51.19 | TekDroid | So this has just shown up for me in Stellaris. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/is1FqdXa/20160511164944_1.jpg |
| 20:51.54 | Xho | TekDroid: Could be dangerous |
| 20:52.07 | DrodoEmpire | HMM |
| 20:52.10 | DrodoEmpire | WHO WOULDA THOUGHT |
| 20:52.15 | Xho | Is everything Mesopotamian in that game by name |
| 20:52.31 | DrodoEmpire | PROPHETIC OBSERVATION <.< |
| 20:52.39 | TekDroid | That's just my species name set. |
| 20:52.42 | DrodoEmpire | Nah you can choose lots of namesets |
| 20:52.45 | Xho | Everything sounds like Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian/Blah |
| 20:52.48 | DrodoEmpire | And mod in more |
| 20:53.01 | Xho | Astarte is a Mesopotamian goddess however |
| 20:53.36 | Xho | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte c |
| 20:53.52 | DrodoEmpire | TekDroid: "Xeno Cavalry" |
| 20:53.58 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - aww yiss |
| 20:54.14 | Monet | Sounds like Sean Bean in Civ VI's trailer |
| 20:54.21 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: Met to show you that. It is basically what you want. :P |
| 20:54.30 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed XD |
| 20:54.38 | Xho | Monet: Does he die tho |
| 20:54.45 | DrodoEmpire | seen been |
| 20:54.53 | DrodoEmpire | shawn bahn |
| 20:55.06 | TekDroid | It's a cavaltry army attachment https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o4wQjPV5/20160511165434_1.jpg |
| 20:55.07 | DrodoEmpire | Though I guess the Drodo moreso use robotic cavalry :p Still tho |
| 20:55.08 | Monet | Xho: New record: Sean Bean dies as a voiceover. |
| 20:55.10 | TekDroid | *cavalry |
| 20:55.22 | DrodoEmpire | Ah yeah |
| 20:55.23 | Xho | Well he does sort of cease to exist in Oblivion |
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| 20:58.06 | Xho_ | Thanks for crashing, Firefox |
| 20:58.06 | Xho_ | gg |
| 21:00.43 | Xho_ | Hm what to do |
| 21:02.37 | TekDroid | So torn. I want the sentient AI but then I might get a genocidal uprising if I'm not careful. |
| 21:04.17 | The_Randomness | What's the worst that could possibly happen? |
| 21:07.24 | DrodoEmpire | Robot revolt |
| 21:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | *Very* powerful robot revolt |
| 21:09.46 | TekDroid | I planned on taking it then switching to AI rights policy as soon as it was valid. |
| 21:10.28 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 21:13.29 | TekDroid | Not for any gamey reason, I jsut wanted to. :P |
| 21:15.18 | DrodoEmpire | Nah it makes sense |
| 21:19.23 | Xho_ | Well I just purchased perhaps one of the most sought after pieces of kit for guitar effects |
| 21:19.35 | Xho_ | Definitely gonna be worth it |
| 21:22.52 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 21:24.18 | Xho_ | Big investment but these pieces of kit are EXTREMELY rare |
| 21:24.31 | Xho_ | Made in the 80s and are no longer manufactured |
| 21:25.33 | Xho_ | I also bought another very sought after and rare piece of kit as well |
| 21:25.38 | Xho_ | Feeling very smug right now |
| 21:25.41 | Xho_ | lord smug |
| 21:30.59 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 21:32.19 | Lord_Smug | I've only one thing left to find and then I'd have completed my collection already |
| 21:32.32 | Lord_Smug | Thing is, it's 1) expensive 2) not really found in the western market |
| 21:35.05 | Lord_Smug | About $800 |
| 21:35.12 | Lord_Smug | Which is overpriced for what it is |
| 22:54.38 | Lord_Smug | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13151831_1386384468179413_1273986853901903315_n.png?oh=5c17af7a0ebde09959932e2a6699e461&oe=57E59421 |
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| 22:59.52 | The_Randomness | wot |
| 22:59.57 | The_Randomness | And hey Liquid |
| 23:00.09 | Liquid_Ink | hey Randomness |
| 23:00.11 | Liquid_Ink | And wot |
| 23:01.21 | The_Randomness | Just this thing that Xho linked, I think it went over my head and I'm feeling silly https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13151831_1386384468179413_1273986853901903315_n.png?oh=5c17af7a0ebde09959932e2a6699e461&oe=57E59421 |
| 23:02.14 | Technobliterator | Uncharted 4 is basically GOTY |
| 23:02.20 | Technobliterator | this game is so stupidly incredible |
| 23:02.25 | The_Randomness | SeemsGood |
| 23:26.31 | The_Randomness | TekDroid: What did your science production look like ~25 years in? |
| 23:26.41 | The_Randomness | I'm at 20/20/18 |
| 23:27.06 | TekDroid | Not sure. |
| 23:30.04 | TekDroid | My society has always been higher and my physics lagged most of the game. |
| 23:31.11 | The_Randomness | Society seems pretty easy to get if you find less advanced civs in your space |
| 23:33.01 | TekDroid | I got a lot of events that boosted society too. |
| 23:34.59 | The_Randomness | Nice |
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| 23:37.28 | TekDroid | One chain I got for example was some gas giant aliens that you help colonize. Those planets get +6 society |
| 23:41.14 | Liquid_Ink | Neat |
| 23:42.45 | TekDroid | I've also got "shadow play" from anomalies a few times which give +6 as well |
| 23:44.23 | The_Randomness | Nice |
| 23:46.10 | TekDroid | Since tech cost increases with population not sure how I am relatively |
| 23:51.20 | The_Randomness | Oh neat, I found a Gaia world |
| 23:53.05 | TekDroid | Yeah, I've found a couple here and there. |
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| 23:57.13 | Liquid_Ink | Australia's Prime Minister has been named in the Panama papers |
| 23:57.40 | Liquid_Ink | Hopefully it will dent their election campaign and stop them introducing $4/hr wages |
