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10:30.44 | Imperios | Hi |
10:30.46 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: http://teecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/ironmanvsmandarin.jpg |
10:31.00 | Liquid_Ink | Haha |
11:01.22 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: I wonder, did you find Wakandan culture as shown in the MCU kind of... weird? |
11:01.35 | Liquid_Ink | Not overly |
11:01.41 | Liquid_Ink | It wasn't shown much |
11:01.54 | Imperios | Like they mention Egyptian gods, speak some South African language and use the term "veld" |
11:02.07 | Liquid_Ink | I didn't notice that |
11:02.17 | Imperios | And Wakanda itself looks like a Central African jungle |
11:02.21 | Imperios | So they're like all over the place |
11:02.23 | Imperios | It kind of feels weird |
11:03.40 | Imperios | Not to mention it is a bit strange for them to use the term "veld" when Wakanda does not resemble a veld at all |
11:03.48 | Imperios | But yeah the movie was cool |
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11:11.16 | Jepardi | Hi |
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11:44.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:45.35 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/628fz |
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12:10.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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13:03.33 | Wormy_ | Yet another kickstarter invention busted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvXnmBIO7o |
13:18.45 | Monet | So it works, but so inefective its pointless. |
13:20.58 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
13:21.33 | Wormy_ | I honestly think bad science journalism is a weak point in media and communication |
13:22.22 | Wormy_ | Many of these so-called science communicators have no actual training or scientific education, they are just regular journalists really |
13:22.49 | Monet | kickstarter-based inventors: Tne new snake-oil salesmen. |
13:22.57 | Wormy_ | And this crap gets promoted, or appears authenticated, by the likes of TIME magazine |
13:23.25 | Wormy_ | These media outlets need to do better because they are causing to loise their money on worthless projects |
13:23.34 | Wormy_ | *causing people to lose |
13:24.06 | Wormy_ | I think there ought to be more science journalism courses out there |
13:25.01 | Wormy_ | I mean you can't just magically make people more scientific, but having some skills to question thiese things would be something. |
13:30.31 | Monet | I decided to look into where this guy is based |
13:31.14 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
13:31.35 | Monet | Fontus has the domain of .at, which puts it in Austria. But the kickstarter lists Kristof Retezar as being in Irvine, USA. |
13:32.17 | Monet | There might be more than one but the first Irvine to come up on Google is in... |
13:32.26 | Monet | California. |
13:35.26 | Monet | This might explain some of the project's viability. |
14:02.51 | Wormy_ | Ghelae, Monet: This is a bit silly, but great none the less https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGERNXs7CCM |
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14:17.17 | Monet | Hi |
14:17.30 | Wormy_ | hello |
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14:25.08 | Hachiman | KRIEG |
14:25.52 | Monet | Hi |
14:31.51 | Imperios | FRIEDE |
14:32.01 | Imperios | FRIEDEN even |
14:32.35 | Imperios | Actually wait what is going on |
14:34.09 | Imperios | Will Kriegers be in DoW3? |
14:34.11 | Hachiman | I was just talking with Oluap about how if IG get their own DoW 3 expansion, I am hoping it's something like the Armageddon Steel Legion, Death Korps of Krieg, or the Vostroyan Firstborn rather than Cadians |
14:35.07 | Imperios | Valhallans plz |
14:35.17 | Imperios | or i feed |
14:35.20 | Imperios | cyka |
14:36.18 | OluapPlayer | get STOMPED |
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14:44.18 | Xho | guys y u no |
14:44.28 | OluapPlayer | sponge |
14:44.51 | OluapPlayer | Continue Odyssey pls |
14:45.00 | Hachiman | latur |
14:45.16 | Hachiman | I got a bit of stuff to do first |
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14:46.16 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
14:54.54 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Hachiman Xho: http://cs633719.vk.me/v633719014/2cd7c/Ay7hQvuFQTE.jpg |
14:55.06 | OluapPlayer | blyat |
14:55.28 | Hachiman | hur |
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15:29.08 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://cs633231.vk.me/v633231962/384d3/H-ZI674FY_4.jpg |
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15:29.41 | Hachiman | wat |
15:31.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
15:31.12 | Imperios | If you want the context of that picture, one of our university lecturers made a VR version of a Russian monastery and this is its hegumen testing the device |
15:32.05 | Hachiman | Oh cool |
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15:41.58 | dinoman9877 | Hello! |
15:43.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
15:44.08 | TheDinoHunter | Hello |
15:44.13 | dinoman9877 | O_O Well, guess I have a new mortal foe... :P |
15:44.22 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
15:44.31 | DrodoEmpire | There's actually another dinoman on the wiki, too |
15:44.35 | dinoman9877 | I know |
15:44.40 | dinoman9877 | He was here before me. lol |
15:54.19 | Wormy_ | There's a few XD |
15:55.28 | dinoman9877 | And here I thought I was gonna go extinct. xP |
15:57.14 | OluapPlayer | Imperios Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt-XIYDSTlk |
15:57.34 | Hachiman | Oh God what the fuck# |
15:57.58 | Imperios | Someone opened too many portals |
15:58.31 | OluapPlayer | Wait until he gets to Orks and Tyranids |
15:58.45 | Imperios | https://youtu.be/pt-XIYDSTlk?t=135 best |
15:59.57 | Hachiman | Holy shit this is horrifying |
16:01.10 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbl9AFXy4qw Do not forget this |
16:01.27 | Hachiman | I remember this |
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16:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Monet |
16:06.01 | Imperios | Hi Mon |
16:06.16 | Monet | hi |
16:06.39 | Hachiman | Hi |
16:08.18 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BtwQqKv2-E the manliest guardsman |
16:10.59 | Imperios | I remember making mods like this |
16:11.09 | Imperios | I gave guardsmen the ability to fly |
16:11.23 | OluapPlayer | You never told us you modded DoW |
16:13.01 | Imperios | I did |
16:13.17 | Imperios | Not the second DoW though, only the first one |
16:13.48 | Imperios | I remember making an entire faction |
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16:14.22 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
16:14.40 | Imperios | iH |
16:16.40 | dino82_ | hi |
16:20.19 | Imperios | DoW models had this weird idiosyncracy |
16:21.13 | Imperios | If they had to use an animation that they lacked, they'd activate some weird placeholder animation |
16:22.09 | Imperios | Where they'd stand with all of their elements visible, including stuff that is not usually shown like banners they they placed when capturing points |
16:22.31 | Imperios | So when I tried to make guardsmen with jump packs, they instead showed this animation |
16:22.48 | Imperios | I imagined their banners actually allowed them to fly |
16:25.28 | OluapPlayer | hur |
16:26.49 | Hachiman | You were trying to emulate Elysians? |
16:26.56 | Imperios | Hachiman: Harakons |
16:27.09 | Imperios | Harakonis even |
16:28.51 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyonDDHb2wg |
16:29.24 | Imperios | I also made an entire Adeptus Mechanicus faction |
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16:29.51 | Imperios | Back then I did not know what kind of units they had as they had no official army, so I just took whatever little information I found |
16:29.53 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
16:29.55 | Imperios | Hi |
16:30.04 | Imperios | And... creatively applied it to DoW |
16:30.15 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
16:30.20 | Imperios | My greatest idea by far was anti-grav-powered Rhinos |
16:30.29 | Imperios | I even called them |
16:30.33 | Imperios | Skimmerhinos |
16:33.12 | Hachiman | Aren't anti-grav Rhinos actually a thing now? |
16:33.21 | Imperios | They are? |
16:33.28 | Imperios | Well then I can officially call myself a prophet |
16:34.08 | dinoman9877 | Mister prophet guy, when will Half-Life 3 be released? |
16:34.28 | dino82_ | o bbl |
16:34.29 | Imperios | My vision is blocked by Gaben's girth |
16:34.31 | AdmiralPanda | I don't recall anti-grav rhinos being a thing |
16:34.37 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5b/CustodesGrav-Rhino.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111025130 Holy shit they are a thing |
16:34.45 | Imperios | Oiled abs in metal boxes |
16:34.51 | AdmiralPanda | oh right those |
16:34.51 | Imperios | flying metal boxes |
16:36.01 | OluapPlayer | chek the link I posted dangit |
16:36.49 | Imperios | I did check |
16:36.54 | Imperios | And god the scream in the end |
16:37.25 | DrodoEmpire | ohgod there's a Keemstar gnome model on the GMod workshop |
16:37.35 | Hachiman | Was watching JoJo |
16:37.37 | Hachiman | Can watch now |
16:37.47 | OluapPlayer | fuck off with ur gay anime |
16:44.59 | dinoman9877 | Well I was gonna wait until chat died down so I didn't interrupt anything. So here it goes. Would anyon be interested in collaborating with me? I've had two years and nothing has been done with my species and I'm done being that shiftless if I can help it. lol |
16:45.05 | AdmiralPanda | watching some Battlefleet Gothic gameplay, looks pretty good but I be seeing some problems |
16:46.05 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: What kind of problems? |
16:46.19 | AdmiralPanda | for starters, ships can crash into each other |
16:47.04 | AdmiralPanda | in the tabletop, it's automatically- and rightfully- assumed that ships in your own fleet are communicating, and potentially have thousands of kilometres in between each other vertically, preventing collisions unless you specifically aim for one |
16:47.30 | Hachiman | Huh |
16:47.35 | AdmiralPanda | and ramming is really bloody hard to do unless you're going after one of the bigger ships, and yet here I see two ships colliding while on a simple move order... the Eldar in me is worried |
16:48.04 | Imperios | That is a fairly common problem in sci-fi ship fights I think |
16:48.14 | Imperios | It was even pastiched in Futurama if my memory does not fail me |
16:48.47 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: I literally just told you, it ain't a problem in the tabletop- y'know, the thing this game is based off. |
16:48.47 | DrodoEmpire | dinoman: I might be able to |
16:49.17 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Of course it isn't |
16:49.42 | Imperios | It is however a problem in other sci-fi media |
16:49.43 | OluapPlayer | I've heard about this game but I actually know nothing about it |
16:49.45 | dinoman9877 | Drodo: Well if you're too busy or have other stuff don't feel obligated, by all means. lol |
16:50.06 | Imperios | So essentially what Battlefleet Gothic did right, and what is usually done wrong, thevideo game didn't |
16:50.13 | Imperios | That's what I am trying to say |
16:51.37 | AdmiralPanda | well yeah, which is dumb |
16:52.23 | DrodoEmpire | dinoman9877: No no- Its alright |
16:52.37 | DrodoEmpire | I might not be able to until a bit later but I can try to collab |
16:53.18 | dinoman9877 | Alright. Well I'll be here (and if I'm not it's because of Mother's day, but I'll be back ASAP) so just message me if you're ever ready. |
16:53.48 | DrodoEmpire | Righty |
16:55.15 | Monet | AdmiralPanda Imperios: It's likely down to mechanics restrictions |
16:55.32 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: I don't really see how |
16:56.00 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: How do you represent the gamespace without resorting ot representative icons? |
16:56.44 | Monet | Said representative icons are also less dramatic, one of the draws of Warhammer. |
16:57.41 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: thing is, even with their battle representation you could still easily have ships avoid each other- there's a lot of space |
16:59.11 | Monet | My point is the developers made the decision for a Homeworld/Empire At War style engagements. |
17:00.06 | Monet | Yes its stupid, so how *could* the real-view angle work the way you want it? |
17:01.09 | AdmiralPanda | simple, have ships at different elevations from the gri |
17:01.10 | AdmiralPanda | grid |
17:01.23 | AdmiralPanda | it's purely a graphics thing |
17:02.12 | AdmiralPanda | and I say that because ranges are measured from the XZ coordinate, so having the ships visually at different elevations doesn't effect gameplay |
17:04.45 | Monet | So you're fine with the depiction of horizontal range. |
17:05.09 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman Xho Imperios: Odyssey pls |
17:05.13 | Xho | wer |
17:05.15 | Xho | k |
17:05.29 | Imperios | blarg |
17:05.32 | Imperios | I am a bit busy rn |
17:05.51 | OluapPlayer | unbusy urself right now mr |
17:06.35 | Imperios | If everyone else really wants it I'll be in |
17:06.49 | OluapPlayer | We do |
17:06.53 | Imperios | rite |
17:06.58 | OluapPlayer | Gotta get this story done as quick as possible |
17:07.11 | Hachiman | Why? |
17:07.29 | OluapPlayer | Because you don't rp for half of the week |
17:07.34 | OluapPlayer | and it paused Eschaton |
17:07.46 | Hachiman | oH |
17:07.47 | Hachiman | Oh |
17:07.56 | AdmiralPanda | the depiction of horizontal range is absolutely fine, yes |
17:08.01 | Hachiman | Well now I just feel bad |
17:08.45 | AdmiralPanda | they've adopted the idea that for mechanical purposes, the ship is at the location of its "stick," they've just extended the graphics a bit more- which is perfectly fine |
17:08.48 | Imperios | I do not see why we should be in a haste while writing it |
17:09.07 | Imperios | We can do Esch one week and odyssey the other day |
17:09.39 | OluapPlayer | We can't, the next Eschaton story takes place after Odyssey |
17:09.51 | Imperios | oh |
17:09.54 | Imperios | okay then |
17:11.31 | dino82_ | back |
17:11.40 | Imperios | Did Hachi tell you about what I wanted to do in Odyssey BTW?: |
17:11.48 | OluapPlayer | He didn't |
17:12.18 | Hachiman | Oh I forgot |
17:12.25 | Hachiman | It won't come up for a bit |
17:13.20 | Xho | nyah |
17:13.36 | OluapPlayer | stoopid cat |
17:16.15 | OluapPlayer | Get in the pad you stoopid cat |
17:19.04 | OluapPlayer | Xho: dbgksg |
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18:13.03 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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18:40.27 | lukosa | hello! can i ask something? wich is the curent year that we are? i mean in the fiction universe |
18:40.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, hi! |
18:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, well there's a clock available for download, and I believe according to it its... 2813-14, though most are still in and around 2811 |
18:41.09 | DrodoEmpire | *most writers |
18:41.29 | DrodoEmpire | Well, actually no |
18:41.37 | DrodoEmpire | For the sake of argument its 2813 |
18:41.40 | Xho | 2815 or thereabouts |
18:41.43 | Xho | 2813 then |
18:42.47 | lukosa | hahaha ok thanks. That cloak you said. where can i find it? |
18:43.25 | DrodoEmpire | One minute |
18:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ATek0516 - On buddy's userpage |
18:44.04 | lukosa | thanks! |
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18:45.39 | DrodoEmpire | No problem :D |
18:51.38 | Hachiman | FUCKING TITANPAD COME ON |
18:51.50 | The_Randomness | QQ |
18:52.22 | dinoman9877 | La dee da |
18:54.28 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13178017_969255573189402_8930006352980210376_n.jpg?oh=cb6b562392a2efcfa44d275fc90b53fa&oe=57DCE048 Hachi's life |
18:54.39 | OluapPlayer | lel |
18:59.21 | Xho | Titanded |
19:00.46 | OluapPlayer | It's being exceptionally bad today |
19:04.52 | AdmiralPanda | gdi I got burned, was talking to my friend about our plans for Planetside 2, and he said "dude, if you were any more edgy right now, you'd have a katana and a fedora" |
19:04.59 | AdmiralPanda | I feel dirty |
19:05.10 | dinoman9877 | People take that game too seriously. |
19:05.38 | AdmiralPanda | tbh I enjoy more serious games |
19:05.52 | dinoman9877 | Well I mean people treat it like a job |
19:05.56 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: git back to the pad |
19:06.03 | AdmiralPanda | to each their own, now EVE on the other hand |
19:06.09 | dinoman9877 | I just get on there and shoot stuff |
19:06.38 | AdmiralPanda | tbh Planetside is basically a milsim, groups of coordinated, organised people are to be expected |
19:07.19 | dinoman9877 | Yeah, but it's a game that can pander to both casuals and hardcore gamers since the only drive is to conquer |
19:07.22 | dinoman9877 | No money investment |
19:07.28 | dinoman9877 | Or no need for it |
19:07.31 | dinoman9877 | Just go shoot stuff |
19:08.12 | AdmiralPanda | point is, you can't really say they take it "too seriously" with the exception of the few nolifers |
19:08.32 | dinoman9877 | But when someone goes 'Hey morons, I got over 100 kills, keep it coming', it shows people get too ridiculous sometimes |
19:08.55 | dinoman9877 | Infiltrators OP tbh. |
19:10.49 | dinoman9877 | I've been trying to find an outfit that just focuses on having fun for the sake of playing the game. |
19:11.04 | AdmiralPanda | eh, they're only OP if opfor's scouting is sub-par |
19:11.33 | dinoman9877 | Well when you're fighting in a valley and infiltrators are somehow on the cliffs... |
19:12.04 | dinoman9877 | It's not good |
19:14.26 | AdmiralPanda | which means your scouting was sub-par :P |
19:14.58 | dinoman9877 | Not much to scout when you're in a massive firefight, trying to keep the NC from getting through the Naum overpass |
19:17.09 | dinoman9877 | I mean we were simply trying to hold them back |
19:17.25 | dinoman9877 | And sadly, the Vanu Sovereignty isn't exactly large |
19:17.32 | dinoman9877 | Not as if we could expect reinforcements |
19:17.34 | AdmiralPanda | well (and don't take this as an insult), that's the difference between the for-fun mentality and the tactical mentality |
19:17.53 | dinoman9877 | The issue is I don't know how they got up there |
19:17.57 | DrodoEmpire | "Games aren't meant to be fun- Take them seriously" - Panda 2016 |
19:18.03 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
19:18.14 | dinoman9877 | They even got an ANT up there |
19:18.19 | AdmiralPanda | DrodoEmpire: Some people have fun BY playing seriously |
19:18.21 | dinoman9877 | Dunno why they were shooting with an ANT |
19:18.24 | dinoman9877 | But whatever |
19:18.37 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah yeah I know |
19:18.41 | DrodoEmpire | Just pulling your leg |
19:18.53 | dinoman9877 | It's not like we could get up there |
19:18.55 | The_Randomness | no fun allow |
19:18.56 | AdmiralPanda | kicks DrodoEmpire off the Sydney Opera House |
19:19.02 | DrodoEmpire | D: |
19:19.02 | dinoman9877 | All we had was the bridge. |
19:19.05 | AdmiralPanda | screw you buddy :P |
19:19.21 | AdmiralPanda | if it weren't for that pulling the leg line I would have ripped you for that |
19:19.21 | dinoman9877 | No one thought to get flyers I suppose |
19:19.28 | dinoman9877 | And I can't fly anything for crap |
19:20.18 | AdmiralPanda | dinoman: that pass was a pain for me, I was in mechanised so we had less room to move than we'd like |
19:20.31 | AdmiralPanda | so we were normally up against the other faction, tended to be more open space |
19:20.37 | dinoman9877 | Yeah it's an absolute pain to defend |
19:20.53 | dinoman9877 | And if we tried to move a force to flank, there would've been too few to hold the pass |
19:20.54 | AdmiralPanda | it's not terrible if you have the right setup, just our outfit wasn't suited to it |
19:21.16 | dinoman9877 | Then again the various outfits didn't seem to want to coordinate |
19:21.39 | AdmiralPanda | on our end though, the overpass rarely came under attack for us, we were frequently pushing NC |
19:21.49 | dinoman9877 | You're vanu too? |
19:22.07 | AdmiralPanda | was, if I pick it up again I'll probably end up rerolling NC to play with my friend |
19:22.17 | dinoman9877 | Blah |
19:22.20 | dinoman9877 | Gross |
19:22.30 | dinoman9877 | Used to be a Terran |
19:22.34 | dinoman9877 | Then I decided to do Vanu |
19:22.53 | AdmiralPanda | I went with Vanu because I'm an Eldar player tbh |
19:23.27 | dinoman9877 | Magriders seem to lose to the NC heavy tank |
19:23.30 | dinoman9877 | Forgot the name |
19:25.03 | dinoman9877 | It's a fun game at times, but I can't find an outfit that suits me at all. |
19:25.07 | AdmiralPanda | the one on one comparison becomes less an issue when you have a fleet of twelve vehicles :P |
19:25.33 | dinoman9877 | Try having a bunch of lightnings and magriders in a tiny pass like Naum though. lol |
19:25.49 | dinoman9877 | I love the open battles, but get in a tight spot and it becomes a pain |
19:25.56 | AdmiralPanda | which is why we avoided it like the plague :P |
19:26.04 | dinoman9877 | I now know to do that |
19:26.32 | dinoman9877 | Didn't help that on the other end of the pass was a huge fort |
19:27.01 | dinoman9877 | When we DID finally push them back a bit, it was nothing but turrets |
19:27.33 | AdmiralPanda | one of the funniest things I've ever seen a magrider do is fly directly over an enemy armour column, bypassing them to reach the objective |
19:28.00 | dinoman9877 | Lol |
19:28.25 | dinoman9877 | Ever been in a lightning and decided to Leeroy Jenkins over a hill to flatten some enemies? |
19:28.47 | AdmiralPanda | nah, I wasn't a pilot |
19:29.02 | dinoman9877 | Lightning is the tank. :P |
19:29.15 | AdmiralPanda | I'm a 40k player, when I hear Lightnig I think fighter |
19:29.20 | dinoman9877 | Ah |
19:29.20 | AdmiralPanda | so I had the Scythe in mind |
19:29.26 | dinoman9877 | Yeah. No I can't fly |
19:30.05 | AdmiralPanda | no, never used a Lightning |
19:31.03 | dinoman9877 | Not a fan of it, since it's multi shot |
19:31.17 | dinoman9877 | But it's fun to just go over a hill into like, four or five infantry men. lol |
19:31.30 | AdmiralPanda | I mostly drove a Harasser |
19:33.11 | dinoman9877 | I feel like I'd do better as a support sometimes |
19:33.27 | dinoman9877 | I usually do heavy assault but I feel like it's underpowered sometimes |
19:33.57 | AdmiralPanda | I used to be a transport driver, then moved to the harasser unit once I got the hang of it and basically started driving like a Halo Warthog |
19:34.10 | dinoman9877 | I'm the main damage giver? Okay, takes me fifteen shots to kill a guy where a light assault takes five. |
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19:36.43 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
19:37.22 | lukosa | ok so i believe i have finished my species page.it is a bit long but can anyone check it and tell me what he thinks? And also tell me if i have any mistakes because english is not my first language |
19:37.29 | lukosa | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Benivod |
19:37.37 | lukosa | this is my species site |
19:38.38 | dinoman9877 | Is it in the right section of the wiki? :S |
19:38.57 | lukosa | oh my... i think? :P |
19:39.16 | lukosa | yeah. why? |
19:39.22 | dinoman9877 | Making sure. |
19:39.34 | AdmiralPanda | ok, sorry in advance if I start to come across as nit-picky. I'm the closest thing the wiki has to a resident biologist, so that's mostly what I look at |
19:40.04 | lukosa | its ok. |
19:40.08 | The_Randomness | I completely forgot about that |
19:41.32 | AdmiralPanda | skin colour variety (the chin thing) is easily explained, just say that their skin pigments react with female hormones to create different colours |
19:42.21 | lukosa | for the females it is explainable. but the variety onmales? |
19:42.30 | AdmiralPanda | natural variation |
19:43.02 | AdmiralPanda | same reason humans have multiple eye colours, just different genes |
19:43.50 | lukosa | you are right. i will add it later ;) |
19:44.19 | dinoman9877 | Ant-like society made genetics easy to explain for me. :3 |
19:44.32 | dinoman9877 | 'Mama controls it. Dah end.' |
19:44.59 | lukosa | hahahaha |
19:45.02 | AdmiralPanda | the feathers are a little more difficult; the kind of display feathers on the model wouldn't really contribute to insulation. you could say they have a dense layer of downy feathers across their body, and the few display feathers that stand up are a recent evolution as a mating display |
19:45.20 | dinoman9877 | Plus, feathers on a mammal? |
19:45.55 | AdmiralPanda | feathers on a mammalian can potentially happen |
19:46.03 | Imperios | We're in Spore |
19:46.07 | Imperios | We have a lot of weird creatures here |
19:46.12 | lukosa | agreed |
19:46.14 | AdmiralPanda | I mean there is that, but it's also a biological possibility |
19:46.15 | dinoman9877 | Admiral, looking at it biologically though... |
19:46.23 | dinoman9877 | Feathers evolved from scales |
19:46.24 | Imperios | We have DRAGONS WITH TITS FOR GOD'S SAKE |
19:46.32 | Imperios | points at Hachiman |
19:46.33 | The_Randomness | Imperios: That doesn't make things immune to criticism |
19:46.40 | AdmiralPanda | looking at it biologically, everything arose from a bunch of random chemicals that got washed up on a rock |
19:46.44 | Hachiman | Wait what we talking about |
19:46.59 | dinoman9877 | Then again it's aliens. Techincally mammal shouldn't even be used to describe it. |
19:47.02 | Imperios | The_Randomness: I mean, feathers on a mammalian is completely normal in Spore science |
19:47.05 | dinoman9877 | Mammals are specific to Earth only |
19:47.19 | The_Randomness | Imperios: What's your point? |
19:47.21 | AdmiralPanda | no they aren't, they're a classification |
19:47.27 | AdmiralPanda | ANYWAY, point is |
19:47.36 | dinoman9877 | Except the classification should only encompass related species |
19:47.37 | AdmiralPanda | with a bit of modification the feather thing can work |
19:47.39 | dinoman9877 | Which it does |
19:47.57 | dinoman9877 | You can't classify two species from different planets under the same grouping |
19:48.00 | The_Randomness | Saying "lol Spore" should not mean that you're excused from any sort of criticism regarding your species |
19:48.02 | Imperios | My point is, it would not be completely unscientific to have a species of mammal-like creatures |
19:48.05 | Imperios | with feathers |
19:48.13 | The_Randomness | right |
19:48.35 | Imperios | Because this is not Earth, and different worlds in Spore have diferent ecosystems |
19:48.47 | Imperios | so it shouldn't be so weird |
19:49.10 | Imperios | For all we know the mammals on that world developed from scaly creatures |
19:49.11 | Imperios | Hence feathers |
19:49.21 | AdmiralPanda | mammals on THIS world evolved from scaled creatures :P |
19:49.37 | Imperios | Do not be a nitpicking dick plz |
19:49.37 | The_Randomness | Right, but the only standards we have to judge creatures on are from Earth life |
19:49.42 | Imperios | You see my point hur |
19:49.44 | Imperios | But yeah correct |
19:50.22 | Imperios | Actually wait |
19:50.22 | dinoman9877 | Just saying. Mammals are earth only. If we find creatures that have exactly the same features on another planet, they're still not mammals. |
19:50.27 | Imperios | Did synapsids have scales? |
19:50.38 | dinoman9877 | They developed from separate genetic material. |
19:50.42 | Imperios | dinoman9877: Thing is, our Spore taxonomy does not have much to do with actual origin |
19:50.51 | The_Randomness | dinoman9877: That's not how classification works |
19:50.59 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
19:51.03 | dinoman9877 | I know randomness |
19:51.11 | AdmiralPanda | as I PM'd to you, classification has nothing to do with genetics, it's phenotype |
19:51.15 | dinoman9877 | That's why birds still aren't classified as dinosaurs taxonomically |
19:51.31 | dinoman9877 | It's based mostly on appearance |
19:51.34 | The_Randomness | They aren't...? |
19:51.39 | Imperios | Yes I think Spore taxonomy, as treated by the Fiction Universe, is based mostly on genotype |
19:51.44 | dinoman9877 | They aren't classified as theropods |
19:51.45 | Imperios | phenotype I mean |
19:51.53 | dinoman9877 | Even though they are. |
19:52.05 | lukosa | sooo should i change the species? |
19:52.07 | AdmiralPanda | Clade Dinosauria |
19:52.08 | Imperios | So, Lorons and Grimbs do not have a common ancestor but share a number of convergent common features |
19:52.12 | AdmiralPanda | lukosa: You're good, don't worry |
19:52.14 | Imperios | lukosa: Nah, your work is really good actually |
19:52.22 | dinoman9877 | Well they're not properly in the phylogeny I should say |
19:52.28 | Imperios | And thus Lorons and Grimbs are put into the same taxon |
19:52.28 | lukosa | thank you |
19:52.29 | Imperios | I believe |
19:52.31 | dinoman9877 | I mean, they ARE theropods |
19:52.54 | dinoman9877 | But that apparently isn't accepted yet |
19:54.05 | AdmiralPanda | look, last thing I want is the IRC being filled with pointless bickering. Can we all just get back to giving the newbie some useful advice? |
19:54.05 | dinoman9877 | Taxonomy isn't as well developed as it should be. I mean it's mostly physical appearance with a mix of genetics, but that still let's it be skewed |
19:54.16 | dinoman9877 | It's not bickering, it's debating! |
19:54.32 | Imperios | The taxonomy system of SporeWiki is a very strange animal |
19:54.42 | Imperios | It is one of the remnants of the old order |
19:54.44 | dinoman9877 | Very different from real life |
19:54.52 | dinoman9877 | Indeed it is |
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19:56.11 | The_Randomness | I agree with Panda, can we stop critiquing your flawed points about taxonomy and get back to helping this person with their creature? |
19:56.25 | dinoman9877 | My flawed points? |
19:56.28 | dinoman9877 | Don't even go there |
19:56.43 | dinoman9877 | Birds are the best example it's all screwed up |
19:57.16 | AdmiralPanda | Seriously, everyone, shut up. This is getting stupid. |
19:57.25 | dinoman9877 | Indeed it is. |
19:57.31 | AdmiralPanda | Now, as a final, ending note. |
19:57.52 | Imperios | I wouldn't call one person everyone |
19:57.55 | AdmiralPanda | Taxonomy works by, as phenotypic traits become more detailed, classification becomes more precise. |
19:58.11 | AdmiralPanda | It begins with five broad classifications under what we consider life. |
19:58.25 | AdmiralPanda | As these broad classifications come to include more defining features, they further divide. |
19:58.58 | AdmiralPanda | Ultimately, you reach a point where phenotypic development reaches an individual organism which, by its PHYSICAL, not genetic, traits, is distinct. |
19:59.26 | AdmiralPanda | As such, any organism which displays a set of physical traits which matches with our existing taxonomy, is by definition a part of that taxonomy. |
19:59.39 | AdmiralPanda | New taxonomy is created when a creature does not exhibit known traits. |
20:00.10 | AdmiralPanda | If an alien organism, with no connection to Earth's genetic language was found, and it shared phenotypic traits with earth animals, it would be recorded in our taxonomy. |
20:00.39 | AdmiralPanda | Now, can we all shut the fuck up, and go back to helping the new guy? |
20:08.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yes everybody stop arguing. Whoever started this should stop right now |
20:08.51 | DrodoEmpire | This argument, anyway |
20:09.00 | Xho | What were we arguing about anyway |
20:09.07 | DrodoEmpire | I don't know nor care |
20:09.09 | DrodoEmpire | Its ending now |
20:09.11 | Xho | y not |
20:09.18 | DrodoEmpire | Go back to helping the new guy, please. |
20:09.42 | Xho | Looks like something about the taxonomy thing, which is probably the most dead thing on SporeWiki since the SSA |
20:10.07 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: Don't worry about it, if you really want I'll fill you in in PM |
20:10.19 | Xho | I probably wouldn't get half of it |
20:10.23 | Xho | Well I would but |
20:10.25 | Xho | pls no |
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20:13.02 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvlB5L-EeMg Ndrhthryr's new theme song |
20:13.19 | OluapPlayer | rok |
20:14.25 | Xho | Or possibly Alfgund |
20:14.40 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-mdFXKyBU Much prefer this one |
20:15.16 | Xho | I have to go with the original cuz y not kek |
20:15.46 | Hachiman | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQhJMvJDSZA Actually this is the best rendition |
20:16.25 | OluapPlayer | Somewhat unrelated but I've changed the lore of Visonia's destruction which will be relevant for one short post-Eschaton story I managed to come up with |
20:17.45 | Xho | Tibias - bone?notbone |
20:17.55 | AdmiralPanda | What do you call an elf with no toys? Lego-less |
20:18.10 | Xho | :c |
20:18.37 | OluapPlayer | Rather than the Knights of the All-Seeing being all killed and called a day, instead they're cursed to fight each other for eternity at the ruins of the city |
20:18.41 | OluapPlayer | Norrigan managed to escape that fate |
20:18.47 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: *claps* |
20:20.04 | OluapPlayer | In short the ruins are inhabited by a small army of hostile and even stronger Norrigans, because compared to them, he was just a rookie |
20:20.25 | Hachiman | DO YOU EVEN [PRAISE] |
20:20.49 | AdmiralPanda | \o/ |
20:20.57 | Hachiman | \[T]/ |
20:21.08 | OluapPlayer | [Patches Squat] Surely you're not a cleric |
20:21.23 | AdmiralPanda | Yes I am u fuk [WoG] |
20:21.23 | Hachiman | olol |
20:21.31 | OluapPlayer | [rages internally] |
20:21.46 | AdmiralPanda | the non dark-souls players have no clue what the fuck we're on about |
20:21.52 | The_Randomness | ^ |
20:21.55 | The_Randomness | can confirm |
20:22.06 | OluapPlayer | They're missing out that's what |
20:22.11 | AdmiralPanda | agreed |
20:22.38 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Incandescence intensifies |
20:22.48 | Monet_3 | Meh |
20:22.55 | AdmiralPanda | so me and three of my friends are doing CosPvP as some boss called the Abyss Watchers once I get the game, looking forward to it because apparently it involves breakdancing with greatswords |
20:22.58 | OluapPlayer | Patches is not incandescent |
20:23.02 | OluapPlayer | Except for his bald head |
20:23.14 | Hachiman | Does this mean Patches is Saitama |
20:23.15 | OluapPlayer | AdmiralPanda: Exactly that |
20:23.22 | AdmiralPanda | Panda approves |
20:23.24 | OluapPlayer | Patches is not invincible |
20:23.27 | OluapPlayer | So no |
20:23.33 | Hachiman | But he is unbreakable |
20:23.38 | AdmiralPanda | and no [KATANA] in sight |
20:23.42 | Monet_3 | I've been playing XCOM 2 al levening |
20:24.12 | AdmiralPanda | watching DkS1 katana montages set to Linkin Park, best thing |
20:24.19 | OluapPlayer | did you not watch any trailers at all? |
20:24.24 | Hachiman | Lemme guess |
20:24.26 | Hachiman | OnlyAfro |
20:24.45 | AdmiralPanda | OnlyAfro, bunch of other people too |
20:24.58 | AdmiralPanda | OluapPlayer: I have seen nothing |
20:25.06 | OluapPlayer | That explains it then |
20:25.07 | AdmiralPanda | I am a blind John Snu snu |
20:25.24 | OluapPlayer | I liked it when, in OnlyAfro's videos, whenever someone uses WoG he puts a He-Man sound in the background |
20:25.26 | OluapPlayer | HEEEEEEEYEEEEEEE |
20:25.33 | Hachiman | hur |
20:26.01 | AdmiralPanda | mhm, no idea why but it makes such a dickish thing funny |
20:26.06 | AdmiralPanda | no idea why he does it * |
20:26.26 | AdmiralPanda | I'd have gone with Lily Allen's "Fuck You" personally |
20:26.27 | Hachiman | And of course, how can anyone forget |
20:26.30 | Hachiman | FIRE UP THE BASS CANNON |
20:26.36 | OluapPlayer | tired and ded meme |
20:26.38 | AdmiralPanda | he didn't even start that XD |
20:27.02 | Hachiman | I thought OnlyAfro was the guy who birthed the Giantdad |
20:27.28 | AdmiralPanda | nah, he just made it popular |
20:27.28 | OluapPlayer | He was |
20:27.37 | OluapPlayer | The Giantdad video is his creation |
20:27.46 | AdmiralPanda | the video is, the build isn't |
20:28.04 | AdmiralPanda | he spawned a lot of the nonsense around it |
20:28.26 | OluapPlayer | The beginning of the end |
20:28.59 | Hachiman | I love the Legend, fuck you hur |
20:29.11 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: I take it you never did much PvP |
20:29.28 | Hachiman | I got twinked whenever I did |
20:29.34 | AdmiralPanda | because every fightclubber hates OnlyAfro for that video |
20:29.41 | OluapPlayer | I'm surprised he didn't try again when the Mask of Pharros was added in DS2, but then again poise works differently in that game so it'd not work |
20:29.53 | OluapPlayer | And he can't do it in 3 because poise is literally disabled altogether |
20:30.05 | Hachiman | Why even have poise as a fucking stat |
20:30.08 | dino82_ | Updates: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Torment_of_Arcaniox |
20:30.12 | dino82_ | it is coming to a close :D |
20:30.14 | AdmiralPanda | yeah I hope that's only temporary because not having it is pain |
20:30.32 | OluapPlayer | There's been several patches since release and that was not addressed |
20:30.36 | OluapPlayer | It might be intentional |
20:30.48 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: you have poise as a stat because without it heavy builds are impossible |
20:30.58 | OluapPlayer | He means why have it and not have it work |
20:30.59 | Hachiman | Yeah I know, I meant |
20:31.02 | Hachiman | Yeah that |
20:31.04 | AdmiralPanda | right I get you |
20:31.25 | OluapPlayer | Poise is in the game as a stat which you can clearly see in your menu, but it doesn't work on anything except enemies |
20:32.30 | AdmiralPanda | wait so it's only disabled for PvP? |
20:32.35 | OluapPlayer | These japs are all mad and don't know what they're doing |
20:32.37 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
20:32.39 | AdmiralPanda | I mean that's still fucking stupid but slightly better |
20:32.48 | OluapPlayer | PvE enemies have poise, players don't |
20:32.59 | OluapPlayer | Not even NPC player-like enemies have poise |
20:33.24 | AdmiralPanda | so still stupid |
20:33.35 | OluapPlayer | Which is a contrast to Dark Souls 2 where they had like a gorillion poise |
20:33.42 | OluapPlayer | They're both dumb in separate ways of the spectrum |
20:34.09 | Monet_3 | Maybe having it inside is a holdover from the old engine? |
20:34.23 | OluapPlayer | Maybe, but it still shows up in your meny |
20:34.24 | OluapPlayer | menu |
20:34.32 | OluapPlayer | Every armor has a visible poise value that does nothing |
20:35.28 | OluapPlayer | For reference to those who don't play the game, poise is a stat that lets you do your actions without being interrupted by enemy attacks |
20:35.55 | OluapPlayer | It helped you tank hits in previous games but in 3, you can wear a fucking boulder as armor and be stunlocked by a dagger |
20:35.57 | AdmiralPanda | which is of course essential to tank builds, and those that focus on heavy weapons |
20:36.57 | AdmiralPanda | it made PvP great because you had a lot of variety, plenty of builds that were made with the understanding of which weapons they could take a hit from without being staggered in order to carry out a comb |
20:36.59 | AdmiralPanda | combo* |
20:37.13 | Hachiman | Now it's just DEX builds all over the shop |
20:37.42 | Hachiman | Also has pyromancy been nerfed or |
20:37.55 | OluapPlayer | As far as I know, kind of |
20:38.02 | OluapPlayer | All magic is weak in 3 |
20:38.21 | AdmiralPanda | once, the poise build, master of all weapon types kept the balance, but everything changed when the [KATANA] attacked |
20:38.59 | OluapPlayer | Also from what I see, people are going for quality builds instead of just STR or DEX |
20:39.06 | AdmiralPanda | tbh magic was really bull in the earlier games |
20:39.06 | OluapPlayer | Quality being 40 STR 40 DEX |
20:39.09 | AdmiralPanda | eq qua |
20:39.12 | AdmiralPanda | ew qua* |
20:39.22 | AdmiralPanda | why this, pls remove |
20:39.31 | AdmiralPanda | well I know exactly why, there's NO FUCKING POISE |
20:40.00 | OluapPlayer | Yes, and magic is bad so magic builds are inferior to just going at people with a straight sword |
20:40.05 | OluapPlayer | Or god forbid, the Estoc |
20:41.25 | OluapPlayer | People hate that weapon so much it's almost funny |
20:42.22 | AdmiralPanda | the one weapon I hated the most was Ricard's Rapier in 1 |
20:42.38 | AdmiralPanda | that thing with a fuck-you DEXINT build, ech |
20:45.12 | AdmiralPanda | in fairness though, it was genuinely one of hte more interesting weapons in the game |
20:45.21 | AdmiralPanda | and it synergised so well with buffs |
20:46.16 | OluapPlayer | Oh another reason balance is fucked |
20:46.39 | Imperios | Technobliterator: http://yourpresentperfect.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sport-84.jpg I do not care that you do not understand a word in that picture but just look at it |
20:46.45 | OluapPlayer | They introduced infusions which increase weapon scaling. For example, an infusion that increases STR scaling but lowers DEX and vice-versa |
20:46.52 | OluapPlayer | But there's a Quality infusion |
20:47.01 | OluapPlayer | And there's absolutely no reason to not use it |
20:47.22 | AdmiralPanda | gdi From |
20:47.49 | OluapPlayer | iirc a quality +10 Long Sword has A scaling in both STR and DEX |
20:48.11 | AdmiralPanda | wut |
20:48.52 | OluapPlayer | It's OP as hell and I'm surprised it wasn't nerfed yet |
21:00.48 | AdmiralPanda | alrighty well I'm off |
21:01.09 | The_Randomness | cya |
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21:17.22 | Wormy_ | hi |
21:18.01 | Wormy_ | Had a nice picnic in the sunshine, countryside, with the dogs. Although they kept breathing on my sandwiches which isn't nice. |
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21:27.42 | DrodoEmpire | brb |
21:29.57 | Wormy_ | Helicoptor blows over portable toilet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-36232084 |
21:30.11 | Wormy_ | Well glad I wasn't in one of them |
21:30.21 | Xho | ImpyDroid: I just keep thinking of the utter hilarity if Spode was actually the Xhodocto |
21:31.08 | Xho | Not sure which Xhodocto Spode would actually refer t o |
21:31.10 | Xho | to* |
21:31.57 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
21:32.31 | Xho | I could imagine in a bout of utter irony it would either be Angazhar or Santorakh |
21:32.58 | ImpyDroid | Wouldn't be it Krath |
21:33.06 | ImpyDroid | But it is a valid interpretation |
21:33.08 | Xho | Depends on how ironic the Xhodocto would like to be |
21:33.35 | Xho | Any of them would be perfectly valid as Spode |
21:33.44 | ImpyDroid | But yes Spode's description matches either One God or Xhods |
21:34.00 | ImpyDroid | Spode is basically the force of universal order |
21:34.07 | ImpyDroid | So Krath I presume |
21:34.12 | Xho | Well by that definition Krath yeah |
21:34.55 | Xho | It could equally be Angazhar or Santorakh by falsely influencing them, they would have been known to do that before |
21:35.49 | Xho | Although by how long the belief in Spode has lasted, more likely Krath since Angazhar and Santorakh's influences often lead to direct or indirect destruction |
21:35.54 | ImpyDroid | Well as I understand the idea of Spode was influenced by the Nars' belief in the inherent order of th3 universe |
21:36.15 | ImpyDroid | And the Rades belief in the Universal Truth |
21:36.24 | Xho | Angazhar and Santorakh's spheres bend well towards chaos whilst Krath and Draguros bend towards order |
21:36.41 | ImpyDroid | Theology is a very weird matter so it is hard to decide which gods are the same and which are not |
21:36.50 | ImpyDroid | Draguros works best come to think about it |
21:36.54 | ImpyDroid | Though |
21:37.01 | Xho | Well Draguros is a completely monochromatic order |
21:37.10 | Xho | Zero and one, that's it |
21:37.11 | ImpyDroid | The four aspects of Spode sort of coincide with the four Xhodocto |
21:37.30 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - i knew they were all demon wankers |
21:37.37 | Xho | The four Xhodocto have this sort of substance vs nihilistic personality |
21:37.39 | ImpyDroid | Creation, intervention, chaos/freedom, and order/stillness |
21:37.52 | Xho | Krath and Santorakh are rather substantial in their influence, Angazhar and Draguros tend to remove that substance |
21:38.26 | ImpyDroid | So Drag queen -> Aang -> Santa -> Crate |
21:38.39 | Xho | More the other way around |
21:39.02 | Xho | Krath is the least nihilistic of the four, Draguros is the most |
21:39.11 | ImpyDroid | Hell maybe there is a sect claiming Spode is Xhodocto |
21:39.24 | Xho | And then Santorakh and Angazhar in the middle, though that can interchange because Santorakh is too chaotic to place firmly |
21:39.40 | ImpyDroid | Could be another group of Dominion Radeons |
21:39.47 | ImpyDroid | And another LI for Geltastra |
21:39.52 | Xho | Krath - secret colour is PURPLE |
21:40.05 | OluapPlayer | Shu'rimordir - we are purpose we are spode |
21:40.11 | OluapPlayer | purple |
21:40.17 | OluapPlayer | Don't know how that turned into purpose there |
21:40.22 | Xho | Still works |
21:40.42 | Xho | There's a lot of interchangeable relationships between the four Xhodocto |
21:40.53 | Xho | In some way they're all opposities and harmonious with each other |
21:41.13 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - angazhar is opposite all the time won't even eat the cheese i force into his face |
21:41.53 | ImpyDroid | Wait |
21:41.55 | ImpyDroid | Santorakh |
21:41.57 | ImpyDroid | Cheese |
21:42.01 | ImpyDroid | Mice |
21:42.06 | ImpyDroid | Radeons |
21:42.10 | Xho | Santorakh - told you |
21:42.16 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - i was tyraz's wife all along |
21:42.56 | Xho | Krath is probably the only Xhodocto that isn't totally harmonious with Angazhar or Santorakh |
21:43.01 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of which I made a few creature models for Radeon world wildlife |
21:43.18 | ImpyDroid | Animals which lived on Vendespode and which they planted elsewhere |
21:43.25 | ImpyDroid | Mostly monkeys strangely enough |
21:43.33 | OluapPlayer | And flying eye |
21:43.40 | Xho | Krath is harmonious with Santorakh's substantial nature but opposes Santorakh's chaotic influence, Krath opposes both Angazhar's nihilistic and chaotic influence |
21:43.48 | Xho | So technically Krath and Angazhar are polar opposites |
21:44.00 | OluapPlayer | Angazhar - loser Krath - no u |
21:44.19 | Xho | Angazhar opposes Krath's substantial and orderly influence, whilst Angazhar is harmonious with Santorakh's chaotic influence but opposes the substantial nature |
21:45.05 | Xho | Santorakh is harmonious with Angazhar's chaotic nature but opposes his nihilistic tendencies whilst harmonious with Krath's substantial nature but opposes order |
21:45.56 | Xho | Draguros is harmonious with Angazhar's nihilistic tendencies but opposes chaos, harminous with Krath's order but opposes substance, completely polarises Santorakh |
21:46.08 | ImpyDroid | The models I had already were these weird tripod dogs |
21:46.19 | ImpyDroid | And OP's I oldest in |
21:46.30 | Xho | So Angazhar = / = Krath, Santorakh = / = Draguros |
21:46.42 | ImpyDroid | This is some intense cosmological shit |
21:46.44 | OluapPlayer | My sole contribution to the Divinarium |
21:46.47 | OluapPlayer | Flying eyes |
21:47.04 | ImpyDroid | You also had small toxic monsters |
21:47.07 | Xho | Which does support my claim of Angazhar and Santorakh are the opposites of Draguros and Krath |
21:47.13 | OluapPlayer | Oh those |
21:47.14 | Xho | being* |
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21:47.17 | OluapPlayer | I forgot they existed |
21:47.22 | OluapPlayer | That's how insignificant they are |
21:47.42 | ImpyDroid | So I am also going to have more thana few plant-based creature |
21:48.07 | Xho | So I guess Spode = Krath is probably the most feasible one |
21:48.12 | ImpyDroid | Oh also |
21:48.16 | ImpyDroid | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/83/Vendespode.png/revision/latest?cb=20131019101340 These thinga |
21:48.36 | OluapPlayer | Giant scorpion thinga |
21:49.23 | Xho | Although the way Jaharan worshipped Spode would throw their beliefs into Angazhar's category |
21:49.30 | Xho | What with insane levels of destruction |
21:49.46 | OluapPlayer | Krath - NOT SYMMETRICAL *flips universe* |
21:50.07 | Xho | Santorakh - remove krath |
21:50.35 | ImpyDroid | What if Angazhar actually manipulated Jaharan |
21:50.42 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9HzqxwKfiM inside the Xhodocto's minds |
21:50.45 | Xho | Well there's a chance |
21:50.47 | ImpyDroid | By giving him a small loan of a million Dei'orbis |
21:51.01 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Insomnia theme tune |
21:51.25 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - welcome to Insomnia we remove also there's kebab in the table |
21:51.44 | Xho | I'm not actually sure whether Santorakh is geared towards creation or destruction |
21:51.51 | Xho | I'd say creation |
21:51.59 | ImpyDroid | But who is Turkey then |
21:52.13 | Xho | Santorakh - kinmo :> |
21:52.16 | ImpyDroid | Actually this fits Caligaduro more |
21:52.19 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfdyMWf68c no, this is Insomnia's theme |
21:52.31 | ImpyDroid | Because this song is about the genocide of denizens of Turkey |
21:52.40 | Xho | "MAKE IT STOP" - Volim, whenever |
21:52.47 | OluapPlayer | Volim, all the time |
21:53.04 | OluapPlayer | All fantasyverse factions are in different degrees of REMOVE |
21:53.11 | ImpyDroid | OT BIHACA DO PETROVCA SELA |
21:53.18 | OluapPlayer | Empire of Man is all REMOVE ELF, Shiarchon are all REMOVE TALMYR |
21:53.26 | ImpyDroid | SRPSKA ZEMLJA NAPADNUTA CELA |
21:53.30 | Xho | Insomnolence are all REMOVE SHIARCHON |
21:53.35 | ImpyDroid | KARADZICU VODI SRBE SVOE |
21:53.50 | ImpyDroid | I've memorized the remove kebab song apparently |
21:53.55 | Xho | I wonder what would happen if Santorakh suddenly decided to send Volim back |
21:54.06 | Xho | I mean how Volim would be in the head |
21:54.09 | OluapPlayer | He'd probably die instantly |
21:54.19 | Xho | Santorakh - welcome back THE RIDE NEVER ENDS |
21:54.36 | OluapPlayer | He's just a big lump of flesh with probably no skin |
21:55.15 | Xho | What if he were completely restored |
21:55.23 | ImpyDroid | Does that include the mind |
21:55.40 | OluapPlayer | Restored body then he'd probably go full retard |
21:55.50 | Xho | Not the mind |
21:56.27 | Xho | Santorakh would never restore the mindframe of anyone he's kept captive |
21:56.57 | ImpyDroid | Maybe he'd turn good |
21:57.08 | OluapPlayer | I imagine he'd still die not too long after though, have a heart attack or go catatonic |
21:57.42 | Xho | Imagine if Santorakh had every SporeWiki villain at his table |
21:57.54 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - man it's crowded in here now |
21:58.08 | Xho | That's probably what Santorakh would like to do anyway, just have every single dead villain there in eternal torment and food |
21:58.16 | ImpyDroid | Tyrone and Shu start a shitstorm |
21:58.25 | ImpyDroid | Hell make that canon |
21:58.31 | OluapPlayer | No hur |
21:58.35 | Xho | Santorakh - NO DESSERT |
21:58.48 | ImpyDroid | Have a few other dead villains in Santa's tea house |
21:59.31 | ImpyDroid | Grochius could be there |
21:59.34 | Hachiman | What about villains from the Fantasyverse |
21:59.37 | ImpyDroid | My only good villain hur |
21:59.44 | OluapPlayer | Even more no |
21:59.51 | ImpyDroid | Well how would Santa snatch them |
21:59.58 | Hachiman | True |
22:00.09 | ImpyDroid | Would he like go to Cali and Mort |
22:00.13 | Xho | Santorakh does what he wants |
22:00.30 | Xho | I don't actually know the relation of power between Santorakh and the Simulacra |
22:00.36 | Xho | Probably not a good idea to try |
22:00.38 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - man what an ugly baby |
22:00.50 | OluapPlayer | None of the Simulacra are omnipotent so there's tha |
22:00.50 | OluapPlayer | y |
22:00.52 | OluapPlayer | t |
22:00.53 | OluapPlayer | Fuck |
22:01.13 | Xho | Santorakh - kolossus what did i say about going awol |
22:02.05 | Xho | Well in terms of general accessibility there's a chance Santorakh could move into the Fantasyverse if he so wished but I'd prefer to keep the two separate |
22:02.25 | Xho | The concept of a Xhodocto in the Fantasyverse would break the Fantasyverse |
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22:03.10 | ImpyDroid | In my headcanon Koldenwelt is literally a tiny planet in the fictionverse |
22:03.34 | Technobliterator | My headcanon is that it's in the pre-Annihilation fictionverse |
22:03.36 | OluapPlayer | Your headcanon is bad |
22:03.43 | OluapPlayer | Both of you now |
22:03.46 | Technobliterator | nu |
22:03.46 | Xho | My headcanon is that it's entirely separate |
22:03.46 | Technobliterator | my headcanon is best |
22:03.53 | ImpyDroid | Daily reminder fantasyverse fictionverse crossover was best idea of mine ever |
22:03.56 | ImpyDroid | Two Hachis |
22:03.58 | OluapPlayer | My actual canon is they're separate |
22:04.09 | Technobliterator | I thought the actual canon was ambiguity |
22:04.16 | OluapPlayer | No, they're separate period |
22:04.17 | Technobliterator | And they're just never mentioned together? |
22:04.35 | Technobliterator | is that made official anywhere? |
22:04.41 | Xho | Actual canon is that they're a separate universe although the crossover was the working of the Mali'Nar |
22:04.42 | OluapPlayer | The fantasyverse rules |
22:04.51 | Technobliterator | well |
22:04.53 | Technobliterator | I don't care |
22:04.55 | Technobliterator | My headcanon remains |
22:04.57 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
22:05.12 | Xho | Aethereal Firmament = Plane of Chaos mwahaha |
22:05.13 | OluapPlayer | I'm gonna refrain from answering to that |
22:05.19 | Xho | Actually, not an impossible theory |
22:05.22 | Hachiman | My headcanon is that it's some kind of parallel or alternate universe to that of the Fictionverse which explains why there are characters and races that appear in both, or carry large similarities with one another |
22:05.23 | Hachiman | Which is essentially separate |
22:05.40 | Technobliterator | I mean |
22:05.51 | Technobliterator | The way I see it, it's like Warhammer 40K to Warhammer Normal |
22:05.57 | Hachiman | Warhammer Normal |
22:06.00 | Hachiman | For fuck's sake |
22:06.09 | Technobliterator | it's Warhammer Normal to me |
22:06.10 | OluapPlayer | They're also separate period |
22:06.16 | Technobliterator | it will remain Warhammer Normal |
22:06.18 | Technobliterator | yeah but |
22:06.21 | Technobliterator | there are comparisons |
22:06.24 | Xho | Aethereal Firmament as a plane of Chaos isn't actually improbable due to the functions of the Fantasyverse but it's Chaos so if there was any relation it wouldn't be knowable to anyone |
22:06.24 | Technobliterator | like how Orks are in both |
22:06.31 | Technobliterator | you know |
22:06.42 | Technobliterator | did I ever explain female Loron in the Fantasyverse versions? |
22:06.47 | OluapPlayer | No |
22:06.54 | Xho | But yeah final word is that is separate, I don't want the Xhodocto to cross those boundaries |
22:06.58 | OluapPlayer | Khorloron just have Norol |
22:07.08 | Technobliterator | Hm |
22:07.13 | Technobliterator | I'm not sure if that's too alien |
22:07.16 | Hachiman | The Orks in WH:FB / WH:AoS are not the same as the Orks in WH40K |
22:07.22 | Hachiman | They work similarly but they are not the same |
22:07.24 | OluapPlayer | Alien is not a problem in any universe |
22:07.47 | Technobliterator | Loron in the Fantasyverse are not the same as Loron in the Fictionverse, though |
22:07.53 | Technobliterator | oh, then it's fine |
22:07.58 | Technobliterator | for Norol to exist in Fantasyverse |
22:08.20 | OluapPlayer | Does it matter? You're not even in the setting anymore |
22:08.25 | Xho | Hachiman: Xhodocto are Supa Simulacra-jin |
22:08.34 | Xho | saiya peepl |
22:08.44 | Technobliterator | I thought I could come back if I wanted to? ?_? |
22:08.45 | Hachiman | Supa-Shimuracura-jin |
22:08.53 | Xho | Caligaduro - ey b0ss |
22:08.54 | OluapPlayer | You can, but you haven't |
22:08.58 | OluapPlayer | So my question stands |
22:09.08 | OluapPlayer | It personally doesn't matter to the Khorloron |
22:09.18 | Technobliterator | Okay, I need to know |
22:09.33 | Hachiman | Crux - GÍ̵IÍÍBÍ̷̧͡͡E̸ Ì¢ÍDÍ̵̷̢EÌÍ Í̶ÌÍ¡Í P̧ÍÍÍU̸ÌÌ¡SÍÍ¡Ì·IÍĮ́ ̶ÍÍÍÍ PÍ Í Ì´Ì·LÌ¢ÍSÍÌ¨Ì¸Í ÍÍÌ̵BÌÌ´Í0̨ÍSÌ¡Į́͢ÍSÒÍ¡ |
22:09.34 | Technobliterator | Do Normal Loron exist in Fantasyverse, or is it just Kholoron? |
22:09.40 | Xho | Santorakh - maybe later |
22:09.53 | OluapPlayer | There are normal Loron, hachi's Bharloron and my Khorloron |
22:09.58 | Technobliterator | ahhh |
22:10.00 | Technobliterator | in which case |
22:10.02 | OluapPlayer | Your Loron exist since these two subspecies had to come from somewhere |
22:10.07 | Technobliterator | I could probably come back |
22:10.10 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: It is Fantasy Battles, not Normal |
22:10.14 | Technobliterator | in 3 weeks |
22:10.22 | ImpyDroid | Or Age of Sigmar but that is the reboot |
22:10.31 | Hachiman | AoS is not a reboot |
22:10.32 | ImpyDroid | GROUND MARINES |
22:10.38 | Hachiman | It is an actual sequel |
22:10.41 | Technobliterator | it's Warhammer Normal to me |
22:10.44 | OluapPlayer | You also never asked to remove them from canon, so they're still around |
22:10.46 | ImpyDroid | Well yes it is |
22:10.48 | Technobliterator | it will remain Warhammer Normal to me! |
22:10.50 | Hachiman | The characters acknowledge the events of the past universe |
22:10.57 | ImpyDroid | True |
22:11.16 | Hachiman | Fyreslayers are probably the best things to have come out of AoS |
22:11.21 | Technobliterator | I think most of my old fantasyverse characters can safely be removed from canon since I don't remember doing anything with them |
22:11.28 | Hachiman | Fire-centric dwarven warrior-Jews |
22:11.34 | Xho | So, Santorakh's Table has had Volim, Plant Dood, Moxix, Kolossus and Billig as the more notable villains |
22:11.43 | Xho | As well as Shu'ytrogarva |
22:12.41 | OluapPlayer | Shu'ytrogarva - was boring so left |
22:12.57 | Xho | Still remember that bit where Santorakh was whacking Plant Dood with a paddle, calling him a weed |
22:13.23 | OluapPlayer | Borealis - he's not wrong |
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22:13.48 | Hachiman | Santorakh - IT'S NOT FUCKING WEED YOU PIECE OF SHIT STONER |
22:14.05 | Xho | Plant Dood - bruh |
22:15.14 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of which |
22:15.30 | ImpyDroid | Does D&D really have monsters called Azers |
22:15.45 | Hachiman | Yep |
22:15.54 | ImpyDroid | ...Wow |
22:15.58 | Hachiman | Giant fire people |
22:15.59 | ImpyDroid | Just wow |
22:16.02 | OluapPlayer | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azer_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) one million years in Google |
22:16.38 | Hachiman | D&D and Pathfinder have a lot of crap from mythology |
22:16.45 | ImpyDroid | Well |
22:16.57 | Xho | "...You have a lot of nerve, doing that. Rule one of Insomnia? No one touches Volim, not even Volim touches Volim!" - Santorakh |
22:17.06 | Xho | Probably my favourite bit of dialogue |
22:17.09 | ImpyDroid | "Azer" is a slur in Russian |
22:17.10 | OluapPlayer | hur |
22:17.19 | ImpyDroid | For Azerbaijani people |
22:17.22 | Hachiman | inb4 Volim cannot physically touch Volim |
22:17.23 | ImpyDroid | So like "Paki" |
22:17.30 | OluapPlayer | It's not a russian word so they have no reason to care |
22:17.32 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: That's probably NOT what they were thinking |
22:17.38 | Xho | Santorakh - dats da joke |
22:18.02 | ImpyDroid | Well it is etymologically related |
22:18.04 | Xho | "Right, chop chop. Quick! I've got a lot of rehearsals to do for my next opus! You know, I was actually writing my own opera at one point. The lyrics were an entire opus! Thirty eight acts to it, and guess what happened?! Volim through it off a cliff! So what he's doing now? Well. I got the Aspirants to turn him into a cello. So now he has to re-compose the entire opera using himself." |
22:18.11 | Technobliterator | What happened to Volim again? |
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22:18.24 | OluapPlayer | Are you serious |
22:18.27 | OluapPlayer | How can you not remember |
22:18.32 | Xho | He's spending the rest of all eternity in Insomnia |
22:18.38 | Xho | As Santorakh's bff |
22:18.39 | Technobliterator | I remember that he's in Insomnia |
22:18.43 | Technobliterator | I do not remember how he got there |
22:18.55 | Hachiman | Meanwhile Volim in the Fantasyverse is unifying the Wranploer and |
22:18.57 | OluapPlayer | Kolossus tossed him into Chaos and Santorakh snatched him |
22:19.10 | Technobliterator | oh |
22:19.29 | Technobliterator | the only BCN death I remember is Sollow |
22:19.32 | OluapPlayer | As punishment for messing with the Chronoscopic Shard |
22:19.39 | Technobliterator | he got the death SporeWiki deserved |
22:19.40 | Xho | "Civilian - Spoon is good for eating soup, scratching back, and singing a song with. Fork is even better, and helps with eating cake. And cheese." " Mu - I'm going to die here." |
22:19.48 | OluapPlayer | hur |
22:19.52 | Technobliterator | yeah, we're not having Shards in the remake, so we may have to rethink that bit |
22:20.05 | OluapPlayer | He's still getting thrown into Chaos |
22:20.09 | Technobliterator | of course |
22:20.11 | OluapPlayer | For what reason we don't know but he is |
22:20.14 | Technobliterator | but we just need a reason |
22:20.24 | OluapPlayer | We got plenty of time to think that |
22:20.29 | Hachiman | Make Sollow super likeable in the remake |
22:20.31 | Technobliterator | This is true |
22:20.37 | Technobliterator | Make Sollow great again |
22:20.43 | Technobliterator | loljk he was never great |
22:20.55 | OluapPlayer | The remake didn't even start and he's already ruined |
22:20.56 | Technobliterator | well, I'm not in charge of him this time around |
22:21.38 | Xho | "No, he cannot! Put that damn amulet on the bust or I'll feed you to the Asgord pits! Yes, I have one! And they're damn hungry!" |
22:21.52 | OluapPlayer | >tfw asgord pits are canon |
22:22.08 | Xho | Santorakh - everything is canon |
22:22.15 | OluapPlayer | That's one expression I've not seen in years though |
22:22.24 | Technobliterator | oh, then my fantasyverse headcanon is canon |
22:22.24 | Technobliterator | :D |
22:22.33 | Xho | Santorakh - wrong |
22:22.42 | Technobliterator | BUT YOU SAID EVERYTHING IS CANON |
22:22.51 | Xho | Santorakh - yes |
22:22.54 | Xho | "You lost it? How clumsy of you! That book had the secret recipe to my thirty-seven-and-a-half-man cake! The cake's for thirty seven and a half people, not made out of thirty seven and a half people by the way." |
22:23.25 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - that's the next recipe |
22:24.08 | OluapPlayer | I like the final battle of that arc because it has Santorakh riding a fucking bee |
22:25.02 | Xho | Santorakh - i am ur worst nightmare |
22:25.11 | Technobliterator | man, thinking back on the Borealis War original |
22:25.23 | Technobliterator | the fight against the Loron felt really cheap and underwhelming |
22:25.27 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - IT'S HIP TO Avaritia - no pls |
22:25.29 | Technobliterator | especially compared to stuff in Da Reckoning |
22:25.52 | Technobliterator | it was just really brief, and only Gol'thabex was made to appear as a genuine threat |
22:26.02 | Xho | "...Ah yes. Volim. Uncultured swine ripped himself to pieces because he doesn't like opera." |
22:26.11 | OluapPlayer | I didn't like Gol'thabex back then, he was annoying |
22:26.44 | Technobliterator | He was kind of an attempt to be a different form of cheesy and goofy |
22:26.46 | Technobliterator | but it didn't really work |
22:27.17 | OluapPlayer | He was not goofy |
22:27.21 | OluapPlayer | And still isn't really |
22:27.27 | Technobliterator | He was an attempt to be |
22:27.32 | Monet_3 | Dragonball-style threat has its limits, my only real word on them atter. |
22:27.53 | Technobliterator | His goofiness was hoe he tries to be the over-the-top badass merc in the room |
22:27.54 | Technobliterator | but fails |
22:28.00 | Technobliterator | *how |
22:28.13 | OluapPlayer | Still he has just a merc who was somehow stronger than everyone else |
22:28.19 | Technobliterator | yeah |
22:28.21 | Technobliterator | it didn't work at all |
22:28.51 | Technobliterator | I also didn't think Drizz'pyrokirk was good back in the day |
22:28.53 | Technobliterator | but he's alright now |
22:28.56 | Hachiman | Monet: Don't see how this is an example of Dragonball-style threats |
22:29.30 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: Was gol'thabex the one who took the time shard? |
22:29.39 | Technobliterator | Nope |
22:29.44 | OluapPlayer | It was Grak'tona |
22:29.47 | Technobliterator | Also, time shards are not in the remake |
22:29.55 | Technobliterator | yeah, Grak'tona took it, grew oversized |
22:29.56 | Technobliterator | and then lost |
22:30.03 | Technobliterator | that bit was meant to be super goofy |
22:30.03 | Xho | "Stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick! Stick! Stuck! Stock! Stack!" - Santorakh, Lord of Sticks |
22:30.12 | Technobliterator | I think Grak'tona is actually the goofiest Loron |
22:30.17 | Technobliterator | or maybe Kal'kuir? |
22:30.30 | OluapPlayer | I find Kal'kuir the goofiest |
22:30.33 | OluapPlayer | But Grak'tona comes close |
22:31.05 | Technobliterator | "DIS GUN IS DA BEST GUN EVA" *kills past self in one hit* "WAT DA HELL WE DIDNT EVEN FITE YET" |
22:31.21 | Monet_3 | Might be my judgement right now and how Draognball-style threat was how they came off to me in Da Reckoning. |
22:31.39 | Xho | Really needs some more Santorakh moments |
22:31.49 | Technobliterator | Da Reckoning is not really related to the Borealis War |
22:31.57 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - tantummodo mortem 2: with more cheese and less plot |
22:31.59 | Technobliterator | And it was mostly meant to be a fun war |
22:32.22 | Hachiman | I'd have loved if he stole that gun from his past self and now had two of them |
22:32.26 | Xho | Santorakh - that's how it works |
22:32.30 | Technobliterator | But then again, I've never seen a single Dragonball episode, so I can't say where the comparisons are |
22:32.35 | Technobliterator | lmao |
22:32.49 | Hachiman | That's actually what an Ork did in 40K once |
22:33.03 | Technobliterator | I remember that |
22:33.11 | Hachiman | Got sent back in time by a Warp storm, found his past self, killed him and now has two of his favourite weapon |
22:33.16 | Xho | Man I'm hungry |
22:33.23 | Hachiman | Xho: Order a pizza or a Chinese |
22:33.31 | Xho | Not at this time jeus |
22:33.34 | Xho | jesus even |
22:33.40 | Xho | I can't put anything in the oven either |
22:33.43 | Xho | We have no oven atm |
22:33.44 | Hachiman | Dude pizza is available at like most hours |
22:33.49 | The_Randomness | It's never too late for pizza time |
22:33.52 | Technobliterator | Nope |
22:33.59 | Technobliterator | They don't deliver past, like, 8 or so |
22:34.04 | Xho | Yeah but everyone's asleep in the house so I'm not waking them up for the expense of food |
22:34.07 | Hachiman | wat |
22:34.12 | Hachiman | I remember ordering night time pizza |
22:34.12 | Monet_3 | Techno: Basically what I mean is threat level is proportionate ot physical power or the amount of mass damage that can be caused. |
22:34.21 | Xho | But no we have no kitchen at the moment |
22:34.49 | Technobliterator | in this case, just sleep earlier and eat more tomorrow |
22:35.27 | Xho | but |
22:35.29 | Xho | im hungry |
22:36.24 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASpode Man we need to redo this page |
22:36.54 | Hachiman | Eat some cereal |
22:37.01 | Hachiman | Or go to a local chippy |
22:37.34 | Xho | In this neighbourhood |
22:37.36 | Xho | I don't want to die thanks |
22:37.37 | OluapPlayer | And by we, you mean Imp |
22:37.39 | Xho | ues |
22:37.41 | Xho | yes |
22:37.41 | Xho | * |
22:41.14 | Xho | Eh might as well sleep |
22:41.21 | Xho | Got nothing else to do |
22:41.35 | Technobliterator | gnight |
22:42.20 | Hachiman | Now I'm hungry |
22:42.43 | dinoman9877 | I blanked out on all that conversation because it was about lore I have no idea about, and theology on top of that, which is something my species doesn't have. <_> |
22:44.02 | Monet_3 | They're not spiritual or do they not believei n gods? |
22:45.05 | dinoman9877 | 99% of the species are non-sentient workers and fighters |
22:45.26 | dinoman9877 | The sentient 1% is only focused on survival, not gods. |
22:45.41 | Hachiman | Huh so this is weird |
22:45.57 | Hachiman | American Ninja Warrior is dubbed by a Japanese commentator |
22:46.09 | Hachiman | While Japanese Ninja Warrior is dubbed by an American commentator |
22:46.26 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: OKay that second part was interesting |
22:46.50 | Hachiman | Wait |
22:46.57 | Hachiman | No, American Ninja Warrior has BOTH |
22:47.07 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Back i nthe old days those two used to relate. |
22:47.16 | Hachiman | It has a guy yelling in Japanese when the contestants are actually doing stuff |
22:47.25 | Monet_3 | I remember Ninja WArrior with a Japanese ocmmentator. |
22:47.25 | Hachiman | And Americans with mics talking about the aftermath |
22:47.40 | dinoman9877 | monet_3: Well I mean it's an ant-like society |
22:47.55 | dinoman9877 | A monarch and all the workers are the offspring |
22:48.09 | dinoman9877 | Just with the monarch being able to alter genetic code on a whim... |
22:48.16 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Relibion is a powerful unifier. |
22:48.21 | Monet_3 | religion* |
22:48.30 | dinoman9877 | Or mindless servitude |
22:48.51 | dinoman9877 | The beauty of genetic alteration is the monarch can force the offspring to be dumb |
22:49.03 | dinoman9877 | To have no other drives |
22:49.10 | dinoman9877 | Except to serve the leader |
22:49.24 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: I always thought the yelling Japanese commentator was a holdover fro mthe original broadcast, while the English commentator who spoke over hi mwas added for the American version. |
22:51.36 | Monet_3 | You don't have to be dumb to be obediant. But then again intelligence isn't a linear curve. |
22:52.31 | dinoman9877 | Monet_3: Well here's the main issue. The larva have the potential to be a monarch at any time. What's to stop a revolution if one was smarter than the rest? |
22:52.32 | Hachiman | It's smart to be obedient in a lot of circumstances actually |
22:52.44 | Technobliterator | It's smart to question orders |
22:52.48 | dinoman9877 | Power hunger would tear nests apart |
22:53.32 | dinoman9877 | Techno, that's just it. They AREN'T smart. They're mindless and countless. They use numbers and strength to overwhelm, no matter the cost |
22:53.39 | dinoman9877 | If they were smarter, they would question that |
22:53.43 | dinoman9877 | Even dare to go against it |
22:53.52 | Technobliterator | well |
22:54.02 | Technobliterator | we already have a species that does that |
22:54.03 | Technobliterator | ;D |
22:54.13 | Hachiman | But why if that is what promotes their survival? |
22:54.24 | dinoman9877 | Whaddya mean Hachi? |
22:54.31 | Hachiman | Why would they question their most efficient means of surviving and thriving? |
22:54.54 | dinoman9877 | Well, when would one become selfish? |
22:55.01 | dinoman9877 | When would self preservation come into play? |
22:55.10 | dinoman9877 | When would whole groups reject orders so they may live? |
22:55.25 | Hachiman | True |
22:55.27 | dinoman9877 | With intelligence comes greed |
22:55.33 | dinoman9877 | Primates have shown that |
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22:55.43 | Hachiman | Hi Panda |
22:56.04 | dinoman9877 | By keeping the swarm dumb, the Swarmlord ensures they give their 110% to fight for the colony |
22:56.11 | dinoman9877 | No matter if they live or die |
22:56.18 | The_Randomness | Hey Panda |
22:56.48 | Monet_3 | Well there's other ways to make someone smar and obediant |
22:56.48 | dinoman9877 | Whereas in ants or termites it's a given thanks to how they evolved, the Swarmlord's exact genetic sequence is in everyone of the swarm |
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22:57.05 | Monet_3 | Like coding in endorphin rushes when following orders from the monarch. |
22:57.18 | dino82_ | Hi! |
22:57.21 | dinoman9877 | But by forcing it to be altered, the swarmlord can keep some genes from activating |
22:57.23 | Technobliterator | hi dino |
22:57.27 | dinoman9877 | Genes that could develop the brain more |
22:57.28 | Technobliterator | and panda |
22:57.43 | dinoman9877 | It's a matter of keeping the peace |
22:57.45 | dino82_ | Disconnected due to some annoying download forced to upgradeto Windows 10, for the hundreth time Windows, I do not wish to have Windows 10! I do not like it! |
22:57.56 | dinoman9877 | Again, with intelligence comes greed |
22:57.58 | dino82_ | Removed the updates from the Update center, hope that helps. Anyone else having these issues as well? |
22:58.14 | dinoman9877 | What would happen if a baby was born smart? |
22:58.17 | dino82_ | @jo: The first part of Tertius is reaching its conclusion! : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Torment_of_Arcaniox |
22:58.21 | dinoman9877 | It'd want the power for itself |
22:58.24 | dino82_ | Nice conclusion of the Da Reckoning as well! |
22:58.42 | dinoman9877 | So it'd become a swarmlord, start its own colony, and try to take power |
22:58.48 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Only because with greed comes security. |
22:58.51 | Monet_3 | Hoarding resources. |
22:59.10 | dinoman9877 | The Swarms are, sadly, independent beings. |
22:59.21 | dinoman9877 | They tend to try to coexist but they can and do fight amongst themselves... |
23:00.13 | AdmiralPanda | hi all, what's going on? |
23:00.37 | dinoman9877 | There's a line of succession to the swarms though. When a Swarmlord eventually reaches the end of its life, it has a baby that specifically will turn into a Swarmlord. There is no power struggle, just a new monarch taking over for the old |
23:00.59 | dinoman9877 | But if two colonies don't get along, then war breaks out until one colony is gone or they just back off from each other |
23:01.19 | Monet_3 | AdmiralPanda: More biology talk, this tiem on the merits of keeping a large group of aliens dumb to avoid rebellion. |
23:01.59 | dinoman9877 | Though sometimes these larva are born early and carried by the flyers to other places on the planet and abandoned, so they may form their own colonies |
23:02.11 | dinoman9877 | As ants and termites do |
23:02.19 | Monet_3 | I was about to say there is speculation that with the right knowledge, humans could one day remove the mroe primal instincts our brains are encoded with |
23:02.20 | dinoman9877 | In a rather odd fashion however |
23:02.42 | dinoman9877 | But you see what I'm going with right? |
23:02.43 | Monet_3 | uisng genetics* |
23:02.56 | AdmiralPanda | well if you're talking a swarm, the drones simply wouldn't need the extra brain mass, problem solved |
23:03.16 | AdmiralPanda | if you're talking fully developed brains, keeping them dumb can have unintended (and negative) side effects |
23:03.17 | dinoman9877 | Well it's not to say there isn't some merit of intelligence |
23:03.36 | dinoman9877 | There's basic problem solving skills |
23:03.41 | Hachiman | Dumb creatures are bad at improvisation |
23:03.52 | Hachiman | And improvising is a skill that can save your life and other people's |
23:04.00 | dinoman9877 | Well they aren't insect dumb |
23:04.32 | dinoman9877 | How do I put it...? |
23:04.48 | dinoman9877 | They just don't focus on the self |
23:04.54 | dinoman9877 | They're programmed not to |
23:05.08 | dinoman9877 | But with that comes a reduction in intelligence to ensure they don't add two and two together |
23:05.28 | Hachiman | If they do not have an awareness of the self |
23:05.33 | Hachiman | They are amoeba-level intelligent |
23:05.40 | dinoman9877 | That's not what I mean |
23:05.56 | Monet_3 | It's speculated the reverse coudl eb better |
23:05.59 | dinoman9877 | The brain is fickle, nothing is set in stone as far as the way it develops |
23:06.18 | Monet_3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_intelligence |
23:06.46 | dinoman9877 | Actually ants are a perfect comparison |
23:06.47 | dinoman9877 | Think about it |
23:06.56 | dinoman9877 | Ants get orders, but they're still on their own as how to do it |
23:07.05 | Monet_3 | Actually the brain can be quite predictable |
23:07.24 | dinoman9877 | And yet many mental diseases have no known causes. lol |
23:07.27 | dinoman9877 | But back to the point |
23:07.36 | Monet_3 | That's a little different |
23:07.48 | dinoman9877 | All the ants know are serve the queen, do it however you can |
23:07.59 | dinoman9877 | They're mindless in a sense |
23:08.05 | dinoman9877 | Yet they have their own problem solving skills |
23:08.14 | dinoman9877 | Water in the way? Build a bridge |
23:08.36 | Hachiman | I'm sorry to say but, I find things like this quite boring |
23:08.43 | dinoman9877 | ? |
23:09.06 | Hachiman | "They're ant-level intelligent" does not make me feel invested or interested in them, plus I've seen it a hundred or so times before |
23:09.08 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: There are things deeply embedded into the subconscious |
23:09.23 | dinoman9877 | I'm trying to put it in words |
23:09.28 | dinoman9877 | I just don't know how |
23:09.47 | dinoman9877 | How do I describe a paradox in our world that would work fine in Sci-fi? |
23:10.18 | Monet_3 | The paradox of an intelligent hive-mind? |
23:10.20 | Hachiman | Fiction :p |
23:10.48 | dinoman9877 | The paradox of creatures that can solve problems individually while still being too dumb to think of self-preservation |
23:11.17 | Monet_3 | Could it be they're simply programmed with these ideas? |
23:11.36 | dinoman9877 | That's exactly what I've been saying |
23:11.42 | Monet_3 | Like building a bridge could be intuitive. |
23:11.49 | dinoman9877 | The genes just influence differences in brain development |
23:11.51 | AdmiralPanda | ok, ants aren't actually mindless |
23:11.56 | Monet_3 | Its just...something they know |
23:12.02 | AdmiralPanda | in fact, they're one of the few species known that actually teaches |
23:12.02 | dinoman9877 | They aren't mindless, no |
23:12.14 | dinoman9877 | They just consider nothing else but working for the queen |
23:12.17 | dinoman9877 | That's their drive |
23:12.28 | Hachiman | Ants teach |
23:12.30 | Hachiman | ? |
23:12.36 | AdmiralPanda | yeah, ants teach |
23:12.43 | Hachiman | Hm, that's curious |
23:12.45 | AdmiralPanda | weird to think about, but they teach new ants |
23:12.49 | dinoman9877 | I mean just think about it logically though. |
23:12.58 | Hachiman | I guess that kind of makes sense |
23:13.19 | dinoman9877 | What happened when workers in humans got tired of being treated like mere pawns because they were smart enought o know otherwise? They overthrew the monarchs. |
23:13.22 | Hachiman | I just thought that since ants are biologically divided by caste, they were born knowing what they should do |
23:13.47 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Humans are different, they have a sense of individuality |
23:13.53 | dinoman9877 | Exactly |
23:13.54 | AdmiralPanda | and I don't mean learning by imitation, everyone does that, ants actually get taught |
23:14.16 | Hachiman | So |
23:14.24 | Hachiman | Ants get taught how to ant by other ants |
23:14.28 | AdmiralPanda | yup |
23:14.54 | AdmiralPanda | which means there is a point in their life where ants literally do not know how to ant |
23:14.57 | dinoman9877 | I guess my final argument for this if nothing is 'Aliens, sci-fi. I win'. lol |
23:15.01 | Monet_3 | Humans will rebel because they're built ot think of the self first, while ants (correct me if i'm wrong) are the other way around. |
23:15.28 | AdmiralPanda | as far as we know, ants just think about the colony |
23:15.35 | AdmiralPanda | well, not thnk |
23:15.43 | dinoman9877 | Ants don't think of the self. That's why they charge head on towards dangers hundreds of times their size |
23:15.53 | Hachiman | Actually, it makes sense that ants teach; there is a species which steals larvae from other species and raises them as their own |
23:16.03 | AdmiralPanda | but ants act as if the colony was an individual organism |
23:16.08 | dinoman9877 | But the species doesn't know how to worker ant |
23:16.13 | AdmiralPanda | which is different from deference to an authority |
23:16.23 | dinoman9877 | Admiral, that's just it... |
23:16.26 | dinoman9877 | The workers treat it like so |
23:16.35 | dinoman9877 | It's clockwork as far as they know |
23:16.42 | dinoman9877 | They feed the monarch, monarch lays eggs |
23:16.51 | dinoman9877 | They don't have any idea how far above them the monarch is |
23:17.00 | dinoman9877 | What the monarch knows and what its motives are |
23:17.04 | AdmiralPanda | the monarch isn't above them |
23:17.05 | dinoman9877 | They just do what it says to do |
23:17.11 | AdmiralPanda | from the ant's perspective, they're all one individual |
23:17.32 | dinoman9877 | From the worker's perspective in the genetithieves, that's the same |
23:17.42 | dinoman9877 | But from the monarch's perspective, they are pawns |
23:17.49 | dinoman9877 | Expendable and stupid |
23:17.57 | dinoman9877 | And most certainly below it |
23:18.14 | Monet_3 | AdmiralPanda: HE mentioned that only 1% of the species are 'sapient'; the queens |
23:18.29 | AdmiralPanda | then don't use ants as a comparison, cos that's not how you ant- you do you of course, just making that distinction known |
23:18.36 | Hachiman | "Hey, Ant, how you doin" "Oh I'm good Ant. You heard about Ant's work accident?" "I hope Ant's alright, although he has got Ant looking after him" |
23:18.37 | dinoman9877 | Well I know |
23:18.46 | dinoman9877 | But ants are the closest comparison |
23:18.59 | AdmiralPanda | basically think of it like the Tyranids; one controlling sentience, the rest are basically biological tools |
23:19.09 | dinoman9877 | Not a 40K player |
23:19.19 | AdmiralPanda | I just explained everything you need to know |
23:19.21 | dinoman9877 | But I remember someone mentioning them long ago |
23:19.30 | dinoman9877 | Well yeah that's basically how it works |
23:19.37 | Hachiman | Needs stupid sexy Genestealer grills |
23:19.39 | AdmiralPanda | then that's how it works |
23:19.40 | Hachiman | If there is such a thing |
23:19.46 | dinoman9877 | Only problem is the intelligence brought the Swarmlord's greed so they don't unify. |
23:20.06 | dinoman9877 | They're all varying degrees of corrupt you could say. lol |
23:20.27 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: That could be gene-modded out |
23:20.49 | Monet_3 | Though I'm a little surprised you're not a 40K man |
23:20.54 | dinoman9877 | I dunno it seems greed comes with intelligence |
23:21.20 | dinoman9877 | Well that's a lie, greed seems rooted in all life. lol |
23:21.29 | dinoman9877 | But intelligent animals take it to new heights. |
23:21.31 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Being greedy with resources can be a good survival strategy. |
23:21.39 | dinoman9877 | Indeed |
23:21.44 | dinoman9877 | Why do you think it stayed in? |
23:21.54 | dinoman9877 | The less greedy swarmlords don't go all out to win |
23:21.56 | Monet_3 | that's why animals and people do it, yeah |
23:22.50 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: u want the genestealer's sticky lamprey tongue-mouth to go inside your throat |
23:23.03 | Hachiman | i want it around muh dik |
23:23.28 | dinoman9877 | Since each Swarmlord is intelligent they have their own personalities, and each one varies. The more aggressive ones tend to be better |
23:23.28 | Monet_3 | Yeah when I saw the genetitheft swarm I thought you were a 40K player |
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23:24.03 | dino82_ | hi Tybusen! |
23:24.05 | dinoman9877 | Eh. I could have considered it. But right now I'm not sure I wanna touch Warhammer after what happened in Fantasy |
23:24.12 | Monet_3 | Hello |
23:24.12 | dinoman9877 | And fantasy one out because lizard people |
23:24.17 | dinoman9877 | You know, until now |
23:24.23 | Tybusen | Hello |
23:24.24 | dinoman9877 | *won out |
23:24.38 | Hachiman | Age of Shitmar still has Lizardmen |
23:24.44 | Hachiman | In fact, they are even stronger now |
23:24.52 | dinoman9877 | They went to space. e_e |
23:25.06 | dinoman9877 | And most of the Slaan died |
23:25.07 | Hachiman | You're obviously not up to date with Age of Sigmar |
23:25.19 | Hachiman | They are essentially angels at this point |
23:25.22 | dinoman9877 | I'm not up to date at all |
23:25.42 | dinoman9877 | The only Warhammer player friends we have (which were going to help me get into it) stopped playing. |
23:25.46 | dinoman9877 | Because of Age of Sigmar |
23:26.20 | dinoman9877 | I finished, like, one unit of Lizardmen warriors and my Stegadon, which would have to be repainted |
23:26.31 | dinoman9877 | But they don't play it so I can't learn properly so why bother now? :/ |
23:26.43 | Hachiman | Could just get into 40k |
23:26.44 | Monet_3 | Yeah I don't imagine GW would reboot 40K like they did AoS |
23:26.54 | Hachiman | I don't even play the tabletop anymore and I am still up to date |
23:27.13 | dinoman9877 | I dunno 40K never appealed to me |
23:27.14 | Hachiman | And yeah, 40k is safe because it sells well |
23:27.32 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
23:27.59 | dinoman9877 | It sells well because GW hasn't pulled bullcrap with it yet. xP |
23:28.07 | Hachiman | Oh trust me |
23:28.15 | dinoman9877 | Well |
23:28.17 | dinoman9877 | I'd say not as much |
23:28.21 | Hachiman | GW has pulled more bullshit with 40K than it has with Fantasy Battles |
23:28.57 | Hachiman | They got rid of Fantasy Battles because it did not sell well by comparison and was always lagging behind 40K |
23:28.58 | dinoman9877 | Eh |
23:29.15 | dinoman9877 | Hence the uproar |
23:29.15 | Hachiman | And hoped AoS would revitalize interest in it |
23:29.26 | AdmiralPanda | and because Sigmar makes it easier to get into |
23:29.29 | Monet_3 | COmes down to business really. |
23:29.31 | Hachiman | Yeah |
23:29.35 | dino82_ | The Tormentor has arrived:D http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:TertiusTorment14.png |
23:29.49 | dinoman9877 | Well that's what happens when you try to make two related things coexist |
23:29.52 | dinoman9877 | Guns sell better |
23:29.53 | OluapPlayer | Spooky |
23:29.54 | dinoman9877 | Sad fact of life |
23:30.18 | Hachiman | Right you definitely do not know what you're talking about |
23:30.18 | Monet_3 | I don't think that's the reason |
23:30.24 | dinoman9877 | Well duh |
23:30.26 | dinoman9877 | I never played |
23:30.31 | Hachiman | Most characters in 40K wield MELEE WEAPONS |
23:30.53 | Hachiman | Well, no, a lot of them do |
23:31.03 | dinoman9877 | I've seen 40K armies at the friends' house. Guns and robots with guns and tanks and then SOME swords |
23:31.10 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: WOuld it be fairer ot assume that space sells better? |
23:31.21 | Hachiman | Possibly |
23:31.22 | dinoman9877 | Space might be better to have said. |
23:31.35 | Hachiman | But anyway, case in point is that there is as many guns as there is melee weaponry in 40K |
23:31.53 | dinoman9877 | Well the armies I've seen thus far have majored in ranged |
23:31.54 | Monet_3 | As Stiny Pete poitned out - the Wild West was killed by the Space Race. |
23:31.58 | dinoman9877 | But that's personal observation |
23:32.03 | Monet_3 | Stinky* |
23:32.15 | Hachiman | You haven't observed enough in that case |
23:32.43 | dinoman9877 | Sci-fi has always had more leverage on Fantasy since it started out when you think about it though. |
23:32.48 | dinoman9877 | Sometimes fantasy punches back, hard. |
23:33.03 | dinoman9877 | But Sci-fi pushes just a tiny bit harder |
23:33.17 | Hachiman | I personally do not see why people think that one should like either sci-fi or fantasy and not both at the same time |
23:33.18 | Hachiman | Like, why |
23:33.25 | dinoman9877 | I like both |
23:33.34 | dinoman9877 | But in some cases I have preferences over others |
23:33.43 | Monet_3 | QUite often popular science fiction is fantasy just in space |
23:33.57 | dinoman9877 | Space Lord of the Rings |
23:34.00 | Hachiman | Yeah it's difficult to find true SCIENCE fiction |
23:34.01 | dinoman9877 | Lets' do this |
23:34.28 | Hachiman | I get reminded about Baxter writing a new book |
23:34.32 | dinoman9877 | Yeah some sci-fi likes to delve into things beyond science a bit. :/ |
23:34.34 | Hachiman | I am excited about it |
23:34.46 | Hachiman | More Xeelee yo |
23:35.03 | Monet_3 | The Master Chief is basically a gun-wielding space knight. |
23:35.07 | dinoman9877 | That's what I had in mind with my species though. Pure sci-fi. No gimmicks, just creatures surviving however worked best |
23:35.45 | Hachiman | Monet_3: Let us not forget about all the Biblical references that are strewn throughout Halo's universe |
23:35.48 | dinoman9877 | No true malice, just the competition of natural selection taken aggressively |
23:35.58 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: Oh definitely |
23:36.56 | dinoman9877 | My zeal for pure sci-fi kind of went too far I guess |
23:37.07 | dinoman9877 | That's why Knight Alien and I stopped working together |
23:37.32 | Hachiman | I really don't think that the Genetithieves are hard sci-fi |
23:37.53 | dinoman9877 | Guess not, but there's nothing driven by pure fantasy |
23:37.58 | dinoman9877 | And especially not theology |
23:38.36 | Monet_3 | I'm a critic of "in the future there is only atheism" |
23:38.44 | Hachiman | God-Emperor when |
23:38.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
23:39.14 | dinoman9877 | Well I'm an atheist but I just let religion be unless it's taken too far (North Carolina, Tennessee) |
23:39.24 | DrodoEmpire | Middle East <.< |
23:39.30 | dinoman9877 | True |
23:39.40 | dinoman9877 | Definitely true there |
23:40.17 | Hachiman | Implying atheism cannot be taken too far |
23:40.18 | dinoman9877 | and I kind of try to prevent theology influence my stuff because I kind of would think that physical manifestations of gods or spirits would be seperate from sci-fi... |
23:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, it *does* seem to be the way we're going- The rise in rational, critical thought seems to diminish the presence of religion and increase technological progress (though its far from the only major factor, and is highly dependent on other factors) |
23:40.22 | Hachiman | But that's an argument for another day |
23:40.25 | dinoman9877 | It can |
23:40.30 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: never did? o.O |
23:40.34 | Monet_3 | Eh, its jsut another idea peopel use to kill each other. Like capitalism vs communism |
23:40.44 | DrodoEmpire | Don't put words in my mouth, please |
23:40.48 | dinoman9877 | Atheists can go way overboard |
23:40.50 | Hachiman | Not you, Drodo |
23:40.56 | dinoman9877 | But we don't tend to as much |
23:40.59 | Hachiman | Didn't mean to offend |
23:41.02 | DrodoEmpire | Goes for dino as well |
23:41.10 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure he didn't say that |
23:41.14 | dinoman9877 | I didn't |
23:41.22 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
23:41.34 | Hachiman | Also, I hope you realize that a lot of scientific and technological innovations were made by people of religious persuasion |
23:41.34 | dinoman9877 | It's just, unless I'm mistaken, I haven't heard of atheist suicide bombers |
23:41.40 | Monet_3 | dinoman9877: Having a space religion is fine in sci-fi so long as those gods and spirits aren't real. |
23:41.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: We know |
23:41.46 | DrodoEmpire | Or I know |
23:42.03 | DrodoEmpire | But that's despite their religion- not because of it |
23:42.05 | dinoman9877 | Just because they were religious doesn't mean religion influenced their discoveries |
23:42.15 | Hachiman | True |
23:42.18 | dinoman9877 | They believed in a god, whoop dee doo |
23:42.22 | DrodoEmpire | So many great breakthroughs were by monks and holy people because they were the only educated people at the time |
23:42.26 | dinoman9877 | The god didn't tell them the secrets to it. lol |
23:42.28 | AdmiralPanda | that was mostly because for the longest time, people of religion were people of learning, because nobody else was allowed to be educated |
23:42.48 | dinoman9877 | Because educated people would get angry at tilling dirt for meager money |
23:43.07 | dinoman9877 | Whereas that's all uneducated people know |
23:43.11 | dinoman9877 | *knew |
23:43.12 | DrodoEmpire | Back to my point- Religion/ideology, however, *also* increases its presence in times of hardship- And times of hardship abound in most sci-fi settings |
23:43.28 | AdmiralPanda | I just love the fact that part of buddhist philosophy is that science - while limited - is a form of truth and should be respected as such |
23:43.47 | Hachiman | Monet_3: Countering your point, the Chaos Gods and Eldar pantheon exist |
23:43.49 | DrodoEmpire | Plus not all religions are highly-organized/demand a large presence in one's life- Traditional ethnic religions or Buddhism for example |
23:44.01 | dinoman9877 | But my main point was I just feel physical, real manifestations of gods and spirits don't belong in a sci-fi setting |
23:44.03 | AdmiralPanda | which means that most buddhists believe in such things as evolution :p |
23:44.06 | dinoman9877 | Religion, certainly |
23:44.14 | Monet_3 | Hachiman: Yes but 40K ain't hard sci fi |
23:44.29 | dinoman9877 | 40K is based in the same universe that had magic frogs. |
23:44.30 | AdmiralPanda | 40k is wet noodle sci fi :P |
23:44.36 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
23:44.37 | Hachiman | Although I think that is because they are not actually "gods" and more like products of how mortal thoughts affect the Warp or something |
23:44.52 | Hachiman | Anyway, I missed that you were referring to hard sci-fi hur |
23:44.55 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: they're space magic, no difference |
23:45.05 | OluapPlayer | FOR GORK AND MORK |
23:45.13 | dinoman9877 | Yeah, no I meant hard sci-fi |
23:45.20 | Hachiman | BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE |
23:45.29 | dinoman9877 | Again, religion exists but manifestations of the gods and spirits do not |
23:45.39 | dinoman9877 | I was going for hard sci-fi, Knight Alien was not |
23:45.47 | dinoman9877 | That's why our story crumbled to dust |
23:46.05 | DrodoEmpire | That's why fictions need really good coordination >.< |
23:46.15 | dinoman9877 | Yeeeep |
23:46.27 | dinoman9877 | I mean I kept anything theological out of the Genetithieves |
23:46.41 | dinoman9877 | Just an experiment that went through the worse than worse case scenario |
23:46.53 | dinoman9877 | Or a treatment I should say |
23:48.43 | dinoman9877 | That conversation died quickly. lol |
23:49.01 | DrodoEmpire | Nah things like this just happen |
23:49.16 | dinoman9877 | I've been here for a bit, I've noticed. lol |
23:49.20 | DrodoEmpire | There're occassional pauses |
23:49.21 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
23:49.53 | dinoman9877 | It's a cycle, a conversation starts, ends quickly, a pause, then a new topic starts and the cycle begins anew |
23:49.55 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, regarding essence/"gods" I *did* have a thought of making this one Drodo sword have supernatural power- I dunno, though |
23:50.47 | Hachiman | What kind of power? |
23:50.50 | Hachiman | Where would it stem from? |
23:51.00 | DrodoEmpire | Good questions- I only had a vague idea |
23:51.13 | AdmiralPanda | the magic sword dimension, clearly :P |
23:51.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
23:51.20 | Hachiman | hur |
23:51.23 | dinoman9877 | Have you been hard sci-fi so far? |
23:51.27 | DrodoEmpire | Basically its the national sword of the Empire- an ancient and important cultural artifact |
23:51.39 | DrodoEmpire | Somewhat, though I've straddled the line |
23:51.42 | DrodoEmpire | I don't much care |
23:51.52 | Hachiman | Fictionverse has been very pick-and-mix |
23:52.00 | Hachiman | From space fantasy to hard sci-fi |
23:52.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
23:52.22 | dinoman9877 | Well that's my main issue. Some people try to have physical gods and spirits, others don't |
23:52.26 | dinoman9877 | All in the same universe |
23:52.46 | Hachiman | I don't see an issue |
23:52.59 | DrodoEmpire | Well here's the thing dino- |
23:53.07 | Hachiman | Most physical gods are like, some form of precursor alien anyway ] |
23:53.20 | dinoman9877 | And spirits of dead aliens? |
23:53.28 | Monet_3 | A rarity |
23:53.36 | DrodoEmpire | The Fictionverse has reached something of an odd balance where a lot of styles can coexist, and often congregate around some galaxies or others, with some having a bit of many |
23:53.38 | dinoman9877 | One Knight uses |
23:54.10 | DrodoEmpire | It works, and its a balance, and I feel the fictionverse is deeper for it |
23:54.27 | dinoman9877 | Mayhaps |
23:54.42 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, the sword |
23:54.48 | dinoman9877 | But I think he had something about the spirits possessing their armor after death or something like that? :S |
23:55.20 | dinoman9877 | Anyway, yes, sword |
23:55.24 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Perhaps this sword could be empowered by the combined belief of the people - they believe it is sacred, thus it has gained some form of mystical power from that combined belief |
23:55.46 | dinoman9877 | Powered by brainwaves |
23:55.48 | OluapPlayer | DATS AN ORKY SWORD |
23:55.48 | dinoman9877 | Boom |
23:55.57 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AImperial_Blade_(Jirhi'kaz) - The actual page for it is here, I left any of its capabilities pretty ambiguous other than its remarkably- unnaturally- well-balanced and easily-used |
23:56.07 | DrodoEmpire | *than that its |
23:56.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm... Possibly |
23:56.41 | DrodoEmpire | So a collective belief in its power makes it so |
23:56.46 | Hachiman | Yeah |
23:56.51 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
23:57.45 | DrodoEmpire | As for actual capabilities- I was thinking over perhaps stories and accounts of the blade cutting clean through armour and rock, etc. |
23:57.59 | DrodoEmpire | Protecting its wearer, and whatnot |
23:58.02 | DrodoEmpire | *user, anyway |
23:58.10 | Hachiman | That makes sense, if it is easily-used, perhaps it also has some sense of direction for itself |
23:58.23 | Hachiman | As in, some kind of will of its own that influences its wielder's hand |
23:58.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm, okay |
23:59.07 | dinoman9877 | Sword is actually a species of animal. Boom. XD |
23:59.07 | Hachiman | The wielder believes the sword will protect them and grant them strength, thus it does so |
23:59.18 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
23:59.21 | dinoman9877 | Being random now, ignore that. |
23:59.35 | DrodoEmpire | But what would the ultimate origin of this faith-based power be? |