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10:30.44ImperiosHi
10:30.46ImperiosLiquid_Ink: http://teecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/ironmanvsmandarin.jpg
10:31.00Liquid_InkHaha
11:01.22ImperiosLiquid_Ink: I wonder, did you find Wakandan culture as shown in the MCU kind of... weird?
11:01.35Liquid_InkNot overly
11:01.41Liquid_InkIt wasn't shown much
11:01.54ImperiosLike they mention Egyptian gods, speak some South African language and use the term "veld"
11:02.07Liquid_InkI didn't notice that
11:02.17ImperiosAnd Wakanda itself looks like a Central African jungle
11:02.21ImperiosSo they're like all over the place
11:02.23ImperiosIt kind of feels weird
11:03.40ImperiosNot to mention it is a bit strange for them to use the term "veld" when Wakanda does not resemble a veld at all
11:03.48ImperiosBut yeah the movie was cool
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11:11.16JepardiHi
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11:44.36Wormy_hi
11:45.35Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/628fz
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12:10.51GhelaeHello.
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13:03.33Wormy_Yet another kickstarter invention busted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvXnmBIO7o
13:18.45MonetSo it works, but so inefective its pointless.
13:20.58Wormy_Indeed
13:21.33Wormy_I honestly think bad science journalism is a weak point in media and communication
13:22.22Wormy_Many of these so-called science communicators have no actual training or scientific education, they are just regular journalists really
13:22.49Monetkickstarter-based inventors: Tne new snake-oil salesmen.
13:22.57Wormy_And this crap gets promoted, or appears authenticated, by the likes of TIME magazine
13:23.25Wormy_These media outlets need to do better because they are causing to loise their money on worthless projects
13:23.34Wormy_*causing people to lose
13:24.06Wormy_I think there ought to be more science journalism courses out there
13:25.01Wormy_I mean you can't just magically make people more scientific, but having some skills to question thiese things would be something.
13:30.31MonetI decided to look into where this guy is based
13:31.14Wormy_<PROTECTED>
13:31.35MonetFontus has the domain of .at, which puts it in Austria. But the kickstarter lists Kristof Retezar as being in Irvine, USA.
13:32.17MonetThere might be more than one but the first Irvine to come up on Google is in...
13:32.26MonetCalifornia.
13:35.26MonetThis might explain some of the project's viability.
14:02.51Wormy_Ghelae, Monet:  This is a bit silly, but great none the less https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGERNXs7CCM
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14:17.17MonetHi
14:17.30Wormy_hello
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14:25.08HachimanKRIEG
14:25.52MonetHi
14:31.51ImperiosFRIEDE
14:32.01ImperiosFRIEDEN even
14:32.35ImperiosActually wait what is going on
14:34.09ImperiosWill Kriegers be in DoW3?
14:34.11HachimanI was just talking with Oluap about how if IG get their own DoW 3 expansion, I am hoping it's something like the Armageddon Steel Legion, Death Korps of Krieg, or the Vostroyan Firstborn rather than Cadians
14:35.07ImperiosValhallans plz
14:35.17Imperiosor i feed
14:35.20Imperioscyka
14:36.18OluapPlayerget STOMPED
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14:44.18Xhoguys y u no
14:44.28OluapPlayersponge
14:44.51OluapPlayerContinue Odyssey pls
14:45.00Hachimanlatur
14:45.16HachimanI got a bit of stuff to do first
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14:46.16DrodoEmpireHi everyone
14:54.54ImperiosOluapPlayer Hachiman Xho: http://cs633719.vk.me/v633719014/2cd7c/Ay7hQvuFQTE.jpg
14:55.06OluapPlayerblyat
14:55.28Hachimanhur
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15:29.08ImperiosHachiman: http://cs633231.vk.me/v633231962/384d3/H-ZI674FY_4.jpg
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15:29.41Hachimanwat
15:31.08DrodoEmpireHey
15:31.12ImperiosIf you want the context of that picture, one of our university lecturers made a VR version of a Russian monastery and this is its hegumen testing the device
15:32.05HachimanOh cool
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15:41.58dinoman9877Hello!
15:43.33DrodoEmpireHi
15:44.08TheDinoHunterHello
15:44.13dinoman9877O_O Well, guess I have a new mortal foe... :P
15:44.22DrodoEmpireolol
15:44.31DrodoEmpireThere's actually another dinoman on the wiki, too
15:44.35dinoman9877I know
15:44.40dinoman9877He was here before me. lol
15:54.19Wormy_There's a few XD
15:55.28dinoman9877And here I thought I was gonna go extinct. xP
15:57.14OluapPlayerImperios Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt-XIYDSTlk
15:57.34HachimanOh God what the fuck#
15:57.58ImperiosSomeone opened too many portals
15:58.31OluapPlayerWait until he gets to Orks and Tyranids
15:58.45Imperioshttps://youtu.be/pt-XIYDSTlk?t=135 best
15:59.57HachimanHoly shit this is horrifying
16:01.10ImperiosHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbl9AFXy4qw Do not forget this
16:01.27HachimanI remember this
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16:05.22DrodoEmpireHi Monet
16:06.01ImperiosHi Mon
16:06.16Monethi
16:06.39HachimanHi
16:08.18OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BtwQqKv2-E the manliest guardsman
16:10.59ImperiosI remember making mods like this
16:11.09ImperiosI gave guardsmen the ability to fly
16:11.23OluapPlayerYou never told us you modded DoW
16:13.01ImperiosI did
16:13.17ImperiosNot the second DoW though, only the first one
16:13.48ImperiosI remember making an entire faction
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16:14.22OluapPlayerHi
16:14.40ImperiosiH
16:16.40dino82_hi
16:20.19ImperiosDoW models had this weird idiosyncracy
16:21.13ImperiosIf they had to use an animation that they lacked, they'd activate some weird placeholder animation
16:22.09ImperiosWhere they'd stand with all of their elements visible, including stuff that is not usually shown like banners they they placed when capturing points
16:22.31ImperiosSo when I tried to make guardsmen with jump packs, they instead showed this animation
16:22.48ImperiosI imagined their banners actually allowed them to fly
16:25.28OluapPlayerhur
16:26.49HachimanYou were trying to emulate Elysians?
16:26.56ImperiosHachiman: Harakons
16:27.09ImperiosHarakonis even
16:28.51OluapPlayerHachiman Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyonDDHb2wg
16:29.24ImperiosI also made an entire Adeptus Mechanicus faction
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16:29.51ImperiosBack then I did not know what kind of units they had as they had no official army, so I just took whatever little information I found
16:29.53AdmiralPandahi all
16:29.55ImperiosHi
16:30.04ImperiosAnd... creatively applied it to DoW
16:30.15OluapPlayerHi
16:30.20ImperiosMy greatest idea by far was anti-grav-powered Rhinos
16:30.29ImperiosI even called them
16:30.33ImperiosSkimmerhinos
16:33.12HachimanAren't anti-grav Rhinos actually a thing now?
16:33.21ImperiosThey are?
16:33.28ImperiosWell then I can officially call myself a prophet
16:34.08dinoman9877Mister prophet guy, when will Half-Life 3 be released?
16:34.28dino82_o bbl
16:34.29ImperiosMy vision is blocked by Gaben's girth
16:34.31AdmiralPandaI don't recall anti-grav rhinos being a thing
16:34.37Imperioshttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5b/CustodesGrav-Rhino.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111025130 Holy shit they are a thing
16:34.45ImperiosOiled abs in metal boxes
16:34.51AdmiralPandaoh right those
16:34.51Imperiosflying metal boxes
16:36.01OluapPlayerchek the link I posted dangit
16:36.49ImperiosI did check
16:36.54ImperiosAnd god the scream in the end
16:37.25DrodoEmpireohgod there's a Keemstar gnome model on the GMod workshop
16:37.35HachimanWas watching JoJo
16:37.37HachimanCan watch now
16:37.47OluapPlayerfuck off with ur gay anime
16:44.59dinoman9877Well I was gonna wait until chat died down so I didn't interrupt anything. So here it goes. Would anyon be interested in collaborating with me? I've had two years and nothing has been done with my species and I'm done being that shiftless if I can help it. lol
16:45.05AdmiralPandawatching some Battlefleet Gothic gameplay, looks pretty good but I be seeing some problems
16:46.05HachimanAdmiralPanda: What kind of problems?
16:46.19AdmiralPandafor starters, ships can crash into each other
16:47.04AdmiralPandain the tabletop, it's automatically- and rightfully- assumed that ships in your own fleet are communicating, and potentially have thousands of kilometres in between each other vertically, preventing collisions unless you specifically aim for one
16:47.30HachimanHuh
16:47.35AdmiralPandaand ramming is really bloody hard to do unless you're going after one of the bigger ships, and yet here I see two ships colliding while on a simple move order... the Eldar in me is worried
16:48.04ImperiosThat is a fairly common problem in sci-fi ship fights I think
16:48.14ImperiosIt was even pastiched in Futurama if my memory does not fail me
16:48.47AdmiralPandaImperios: I literally just told you, it ain't a problem in the tabletop- y'know, the thing this game is based off.
16:48.47DrodoEmpiredinoman: I might be able to
16:49.17ImperiosAdmiralPanda: Of course it isn't
16:49.42ImperiosIt is however a problem in other sci-fi media
16:49.43OluapPlayerI've heard about this game but I actually know nothing about it
16:49.45dinoman9877Drodo: Well if you're too busy or have other stuff don't feel obligated, by all means. lol
16:50.06ImperiosSo essentially what Battlefleet Gothic did right, and what is usually done wrong, thevideo game didn't
16:50.13ImperiosThat's what I am trying to say
16:51.37AdmiralPandawell yeah, which is dumb
16:52.23DrodoEmpiredinoman9877: No no- Its alright
16:52.37DrodoEmpireI might not be able to until a bit later but I can try to collab
16:53.18dinoman9877Alright. Well I'll be here (and if I'm not it's because of Mother's day, but I'll be back ASAP) so just message me if you're ever ready.
16:53.48DrodoEmpireRighty
16:55.15MonetAdmiralPanda Imperios: It's likely down to mechanics restrictions
16:55.32AdmiralPandaMonet: I don't really see how
16:56.00MonetAdmiralPanda: How do you represent the gamespace without resorting ot representative icons?
16:56.44MonetSaid representative icons are also less dramatic, one of the draws of Warhammer.
16:57.41AdmiralPandaMonet: thing is, even with their battle representation you could still easily have ships avoid each other- there's a lot of space
16:59.11MonetMy point is the developers made the decision for a Homeworld/Empire At War style engagements.
17:00.06MonetYes its stupid, so how *could* the real-view angle work the way you want it?
17:01.09AdmiralPandasimple, have ships at different elevations from the gri
17:01.10AdmiralPandagrid
17:01.23AdmiralPandait's purely a graphics thing
17:02.12AdmiralPandaand I say that because ranges are measured from the XZ coordinate, so having the ships visually at different elevations doesn't effect gameplay
17:04.45MonetSo you're fine with the depiction of horizontal range.
17:05.09OluapPlayerHachiman Xho Imperios: Odyssey pls
17:05.13Xhower
17:05.15Xhok
17:05.29Imperiosblarg
17:05.32ImperiosI am a bit busy rn
17:05.51OluapPlayerunbusy urself right now mr
17:06.35ImperiosIf everyone else really wants it I'll be in
17:06.49OluapPlayerWe do
17:06.53Imperiosrite
17:06.58OluapPlayerGotta get this story done as quick as possible
17:07.11HachimanWhy?
17:07.29OluapPlayerBecause you don't rp for half of the week
17:07.34OluapPlayerand it paused Eschaton
17:07.46HachimanoH
17:07.47HachimanOh
17:07.56AdmiralPandathe depiction of horizontal range is absolutely fine, yes
17:08.01HachimanWell now I just feel bad
17:08.45AdmiralPandathey've adopted the idea that for mechanical purposes, the ship is at the location of its "stick," they've just extended the graphics a bit more- which is perfectly fine
17:08.48ImperiosI do not see why we should be in a haste while writing it
17:09.07ImperiosWe can do Esch one week and odyssey the other day
17:09.39OluapPlayerWe can't, the next Eschaton story takes place after Odyssey
17:09.51Imperiosoh
17:09.54Imperiosokay then
17:11.31dino82_back
17:11.40ImperiosDid Hachi tell you about what I wanted to do in Odyssey BTW?:
17:11.48OluapPlayerHe didn't
17:12.18HachimanOh I forgot
17:12.25HachimanIt won't come up for a bit
17:13.20Xhonyah
17:13.36OluapPlayerstoopid cat
17:16.15OluapPlayerGet in the pad you stoopid cat
17:19.04OluapPlayerXho: dbgksg
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18:13.03The_RandomnessHello
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18:40.27lukosahello! can i ask something? wich is the curent year that we are? i mean in the fiction universe
18:40.37DrodoEmpireOh, hi!
18:41.05DrodoEmpireHm, well there's a clock available for download, and I believe according to it its... 2813-14, though most are still in and around 2811
18:41.09DrodoEmpire*most writers
18:41.29DrodoEmpireWell, actually no
18:41.37DrodoEmpireFor the sake of argument its 2813
18:41.40Xho2815 or thereabouts
18:41.43Xho2813 then
18:42.47lukosahahaha ok thanks. That cloak you said. where can i find  it?
18:43.25DrodoEmpireOne minute
18:43.48DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ATek0516 - On buddy's userpage
18:44.04lukosathanks!
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18:45.39DrodoEmpireNo problem :D
18:51.38HachimanFUCKING TITANPAD COME ON
18:51.50The_RandomnessQQ
18:52.22dinoman9877La dee da
18:54.28XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman: https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13178017_969255573189402_8930006352980210376_n.jpg?oh=cb6b562392a2efcfa44d275fc90b53fa&oe=57DCE048 Hachi's life
18:54.39OluapPlayerlel
18:59.21XhoTitanded
19:00.46OluapPlayerIt's being exceptionally bad today
19:04.52AdmiralPandagdi I got burned, was talking to my friend about our plans for Planetside 2, and he said "dude, if you were any more edgy right now, you'd have a katana and a fedora"
19:04.59AdmiralPandaI feel dirty
19:05.10dinoman9877People take that game too seriously.
19:05.38AdmiralPandatbh I enjoy more serious games
19:05.52dinoman9877Well I mean people treat it like a job
19:05.56OluapPlayerImperios: git back to the pad
19:06.03AdmiralPandato each their own, now EVE on the other hand
19:06.09dinoman9877I just get on there and shoot stuff
19:06.38AdmiralPandatbh Planetside is basically a milsim, groups of coordinated, organised people are to be expected
19:07.19dinoman9877Yeah, but it's a game that can pander to both casuals and hardcore gamers since the only drive is to conquer
19:07.22dinoman9877No money investment
19:07.28dinoman9877Or no need for it
19:07.31dinoman9877Just go shoot stuff
19:08.12AdmiralPandapoint is, you can't really say they take it "too seriously" with the exception of the few nolifers
19:08.32dinoman9877But when someone goes 'Hey morons, I got over 100 kills, keep it coming', it shows people get too ridiculous sometimes
19:08.55dinoman9877Infiltrators OP tbh.
19:10.49dinoman9877I've been trying to find an outfit that just focuses on having fun for the sake of playing the game.
19:11.04AdmiralPandaeh, they're only OP if opfor's scouting is sub-par
19:11.33dinoman9877Well when you're fighting in a valley and infiltrators are somehow on the cliffs...
19:12.04dinoman9877It's not good
19:14.26AdmiralPandawhich means your scouting was sub-par :P
19:14.58dinoman9877Not much to scout when you're in a massive firefight, trying to keep the NC from getting through the Naum overpass
19:17.09dinoman9877I mean we were simply trying to hold them back
19:17.25dinoman9877And sadly, the Vanu Sovereignty isn't exactly large
19:17.32dinoman9877Not as if we could expect reinforcements
19:17.34AdmiralPandawell (and don't take this as an insult), that's the difference between the for-fun mentality and the tactical mentality
19:17.53dinoman9877The issue is I don't know how they got up there
19:17.57DrodoEmpire"Games aren't meant to be fun- Take them seriously" - Panda 2016
19:18.03DrodoEmpire<.<
19:18.14dinoman9877They even got an ANT up there
19:18.19AdmiralPandaDrodoEmpire: Some people have fun BY playing seriously
19:18.21dinoman9877Dunno why they were shooting with an ANT
19:18.24dinoman9877But whatever
19:18.37DrodoEmpireYeah yeah I know
19:18.41DrodoEmpireJust pulling your leg
19:18.53dinoman9877It's not like we could get up there
19:18.55The_Randomnessno fun allow
19:18.56AdmiralPandakicks DrodoEmpire off the Sydney Opera House
19:19.02DrodoEmpireD:
19:19.02dinoman9877All we had was the bridge.
19:19.05AdmiralPandascrew you buddy :P
19:19.21AdmiralPandaif it weren't for that pulling the leg line I would have ripped you for that
19:19.21dinoman9877No one thought to get flyers I suppose
19:19.28dinoman9877And I can't fly anything for crap
19:20.18AdmiralPandadinoman: that pass was a pain for me, I was in mechanised so we had less room to move than we'd like
19:20.31AdmiralPandaso we were normally up against the other faction, tended to be more open space
19:20.37dinoman9877Yeah it's an absolute pain to defend
19:20.53dinoman9877And if we tried to move a force to flank, there would've been too few to hold the pass
19:20.54AdmiralPandait's not terrible if you have the right setup, just our outfit wasn't suited to it
19:21.16dinoman9877Then again the various outfits didn't seem to want to coordinate
19:21.39AdmiralPandaon our end though, the overpass rarely came under attack for us, we were frequently pushing NC
19:21.49dinoman9877You're vanu too?
19:22.07AdmiralPandawas, if I pick it up again I'll probably end up rerolling NC to play with my friend
19:22.17dinoman9877Blah
19:22.20dinoman9877Gross
19:22.30dinoman9877Used to be a Terran
19:22.34dinoman9877Then I decided to do Vanu
19:22.53AdmiralPandaI went with Vanu because I'm an Eldar player tbh
19:23.27dinoman9877Magriders seem to lose to the NC heavy tank
19:23.30dinoman9877Forgot the name
19:25.03dinoman9877It's a fun game at times, but I can't find an outfit that suits me at all.
19:25.07AdmiralPandathe one on one comparison becomes less an issue when you have a fleet of twelve vehicles :P
19:25.33dinoman9877Try having a bunch of lightnings and magriders in a tiny pass like Naum though. lol
19:25.49dinoman9877I love the open battles, but get in a tight spot and it becomes a pain
19:25.56AdmiralPandawhich is why we avoided it like the plague :P
19:26.04dinoman9877I now know to do that
19:26.32dinoman9877Didn't help that on the other end of the pass was a huge fort
19:27.01dinoman9877When we DID finally push them back a bit, it was nothing but turrets
19:27.33AdmiralPandaone of the funniest things I've ever seen a magrider do is fly directly over an enemy armour column, bypassing them to reach the objective
19:28.00dinoman9877Lol
19:28.25dinoman9877Ever been in a lightning and decided to Leeroy Jenkins over a hill to flatten some enemies?
19:28.47AdmiralPandanah, I wasn't a pilot
19:29.02dinoman9877Lightning is the tank. :P
19:29.15AdmiralPandaI'm a 40k player, when I hear Lightnig I think fighter
19:29.20dinoman9877Ah
19:29.20AdmiralPandaso I had the Scythe in mind
19:29.26dinoman9877Yeah. No I can't fly
19:30.05AdmiralPandano, never used a Lightning
19:31.03dinoman9877Not a fan of it, since it's multi shot
19:31.17dinoman9877But it's fun to just go over a hill into like, four or five infantry men. lol
19:31.30AdmiralPandaI mostly drove a Harasser
19:33.11dinoman9877I feel like I'd do better as a support sometimes
19:33.27dinoman9877I usually do heavy assault but I feel like it's underpowered sometimes
19:33.57AdmiralPandaI used to be a transport driver, then moved to the harasser unit once I got the hang of it and basically started driving like a Halo Warthog
19:34.10dinoman9877I'm the main damage giver? Okay, takes me fifteen shots to kill a guy where a light assault takes five.
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19:36.43DrodoEmpireHi
19:37.22lukosaok so i believe i have finished my species page.it is a bit long but can anyone check it and  tell me what he thinks? And also tell me if i have any mistakes because english is not my first language
19:37.29lukosahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Benivod
19:37.37lukosathis is my species site
19:38.38dinoman9877Is it in the right section of the wiki? :S
19:38.57lukosaoh my... i think? :P
19:39.16lukosayeah. why?
19:39.22dinoman9877Making sure.
19:39.34AdmiralPandaok, sorry in advance if I start to come across as nit-picky. I'm the closest thing the wiki has to a resident biologist, so that's mostly what I look at
19:40.04lukosaits ok.
19:40.08The_RandomnessI completely forgot about that
19:41.32AdmiralPandaskin colour variety (the chin thing) is easily explained, just say that their skin pigments react with female hormones to create different colours
19:42.21lukosafor the females it is explainable. but the variety onmales?
19:42.30AdmiralPandanatural variation
19:43.02AdmiralPandasame reason humans have multiple eye colours, just different genes
19:43.50lukosayou are right. i will add it later ;)
19:44.19dinoman9877Ant-like society made genetics easy to explain for me. :3
19:44.32dinoman9877'Mama controls it. Dah end.'
19:44.59lukosahahahaha
19:45.02AdmiralPandathe feathers are a little more difficult; the kind of display feathers on the model wouldn't really contribute to insulation. you could say they have a dense layer of downy feathers across their body, and the few display feathers that stand up are a recent evolution as a mating display
19:45.20dinoman9877Plus, feathers on a mammal?
19:45.55AdmiralPandafeathers on a mammalian can potentially happen
19:46.03ImperiosWe're in Spore
19:46.07ImperiosWe have a lot of weird creatures here
19:46.12lukosaagreed
19:46.14AdmiralPandaI mean there is that, but it's also a biological possibility
19:46.15dinoman9877Admiral, looking at it biologically though...
19:46.23dinoman9877Feathers evolved from scales
19:46.24ImperiosWe have DRAGONS WITH TITS FOR GOD'S SAKE
19:46.32Imperiospoints at Hachiman
19:46.33The_RandomnessImperios: That doesn't make things immune to criticism
19:46.40AdmiralPandalooking at it biologically, everything arose from a bunch of random chemicals that got washed up on a rock
19:46.44HachimanWait what we talking about
19:46.59dinoman9877Then again it's aliens. Techincally mammal shouldn't even be used to describe it.
19:47.02ImperiosThe_Randomness: I mean, feathers on a mammalian is completely normal in Spore science
19:47.05dinoman9877Mammals are specific to Earth only
19:47.19The_RandomnessImperios: What's your point?
19:47.21AdmiralPandano they aren't, they're a classification
19:47.27AdmiralPandaANYWAY, point is
19:47.36dinoman9877Except the classification should only encompass related species
19:47.37AdmiralPandawith a bit of modification the feather thing can work
19:47.39dinoman9877Which it does
19:47.57dinoman9877You can't classify two species from different planets under the same grouping
19:48.00The_RandomnessSaying "lol Spore" should not mean that you're excused from any sort of criticism regarding your species
19:48.02ImperiosMy point is, it would not be completely unscientific to have a species of mammal-like creatures
19:48.05Imperioswith feathers
19:48.13The_Randomnessright
19:48.35ImperiosBecause this is not Earth, and different worlds in Spore have diferent ecosystems
19:48.47Imperiosso it shouldn't be so weird
19:49.10ImperiosFor all we know the mammals on that world developed from scaly creatures
19:49.11ImperiosHence feathers
19:49.21AdmiralPandamammals on THIS world evolved from scaled creatures :P
19:49.37ImperiosDo not be a nitpicking dick plz
19:49.37The_RandomnessRight, but the only standards we have to judge creatures on are from Earth life
19:49.42ImperiosYou see my point hur
19:49.44ImperiosBut yeah correct
19:50.22ImperiosActually wait
19:50.22dinoman9877Just saying. Mammals are earth only. If we find creatures that have exactly the same features on another planet, they're still not mammals.
19:50.27ImperiosDid synapsids have scales?
19:50.38dinoman9877They developed from separate genetic material.
19:50.42Imperiosdinoman9877: Thing is, our Spore taxonomy does not have much to do with actual origin
19:50.51The_Randomnessdinoman9877: That's not how classification works
19:50.59AdmiralPanda^
19:51.03dinoman9877I know randomness
19:51.11AdmiralPandaas I PM'd to you, classification has nothing to do with genetics, it's phenotype
19:51.15dinoman9877That's why birds still aren't classified as dinosaurs taxonomically
19:51.31dinoman9877It's based mostly on appearance
19:51.34The_RandomnessThey aren't...?
19:51.39ImperiosYes I think Spore taxonomy, as treated by the Fiction Universe, is based mostly on genotype
19:51.44dinoman9877They aren't classified as theropods
19:51.45Imperiosphenotype I mean
19:51.53dinoman9877Even though they are.
19:52.05lukosasooo should i change the species?
19:52.07AdmiralPandaClade Dinosauria
19:52.08ImperiosSo, Lorons and Grimbs do not have a common ancestor but share a number of convergent common features
19:52.12AdmiralPandalukosa: You're good, don't worry
19:52.14Imperioslukosa: Nah, your work is really good actually
19:52.22dinoman9877Well they're not properly in the phylogeny I should say
19:52.28ImperiosAnd thus Lorons and Grimbs are put into the same taxon
19:52.28lukosathank you
19:52.29ImperiosI believe
19:52.31dinoman9877I mean, they ARE theropods
19:52.54dinoman9877But that apparently isn't accepted yet
19:54.05AdmiralPandalook, last thing I want is the IRC being filled with pointless bickering. Can we all just get back to giving the newbie some useful advice?
19:54.05dinoman9877Taxonomy isn't as well developed as it should be. I mean it's mostly physical appearance with a mix of genetics, but that still let's it be skewed
19:54.16dinoman9877It's not bickering, it's debating!
19:54.32ImperiosThe taxonomy system of SporeWiki is a very strange animal
19:54.42ImperiosIt is one of the remnants of the old order
19:54.44dinoman9877Very different from real life
19:54.52dinoman9877Indeed it is
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19:56.11The_RandomnessI agree with Panda, can we stop critiquing your flawed points about taxonomy and get back to helping this person with their creature?
19:56.25dinoman9877My flawed points?
19:56.28dinoman9877Don't even go there
19:56.43dinoman9877Birds are the best example it's all screwed up
19:57.16AdmiralPandaSeriously, everyone, shut up. This is getting stupid.
19:57.25dinoman9877Indeed it is.
19:57.31AdmiralPandaNow, as a final, ending note.
19:57.52ImperiosI wouldn't call one person everyone
19:57.55AdmiralPandaTaxonomy works by, as phenotypic traits become more detailed, classification becomes more precise.
19:58.11AdmiralPandaIt begins with five broad classifications under what we consider life.
19:58.25AdmiralPandaAs these broad classifications come to include more defining features, they further divide.
19:58.58AdmiralPandaUltimately, you reach a point where phenotypic development reaches an individual organism which, by its PHYSICAL, not genetic, traits, is distinct.
19:59.26AdmiralPandaAs such, any organism which displays a set of physical traits which matches with our existing taxonomy, is by definition a part of that taxonomy.
19:59.39AdmiralPandaNew taxonomy is created when a creature does not exhibit known traits.
20:00.10AdmiralPandaIf an alien organism, with no connection to Earth's genetic language was found, and it shared phenotypic traits with earth animals, it would be recorded in our taxonomy.
20:00.39AdmiralPandaNow, can we all shut the fuck up, and go back to helping the new guy?
20:08.42DrodoEmpireYes everybody stop arguing. Whoever started this should stop right now
20:08.51DrodoEmpireThis argument, anyway
20:09.00XhoWhat were we arguing about anyway
20:09.07DrodoEmpireI don't know nor care
20:09.09DrodoEmpireIts ending now
20:09.11Xhoy not
20:09.18DrodoEmpireGo back to helping the new guy, please.
20:09.42XhoLooks like something about the taxonomy thing, which is probably the most dead thing on SporeWiki since the SSA
20:10.07AdmiralPandaXho: Don't worry about it, if you really want I'll fill you in in PM
20:10.19XhoI probably wouldn't get half of it
20:10.23XhoWell I would but
20:10.25Xhopls no
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20:13.02XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvlB5L-EeMg Ndrhthryr's new theme song
20:13.19OluapPlayerrok
20:14.25XhoOr possibly Alfgund
20:14.40Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-mdFXKyBU Much prefer this one
20:15.16XhoI have to go with the original cuz y not kek
20:15.46HachimanXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQhJMvJDSZA Actually this is the best rendition
20:16.25OluapPlayerSomewhat unrelated but I've changed the lore of Visonia's destruction which will be relevant for one short post-Eschaton story I managed to come up with
20:17.45XhoTibias - bone?notbone
20:17.55AdmiralPandaWhat do you call an elf with no toys? Lego-less
20:18.10Xho:c
20:18.37OluapPlayerRather than the Knights of the All-Seeing being all killed and called a day, instead they're cursed to fight each other for eternity at the ruins of the city
20:18.41OluapPlayerNorrigan managed to escape that fate
20:18.47The_RandomnessAdmiralPanda: *claps*
20:20.04OluapPlayerIn short the ruins are inhabited by a small army of hostile and even stronger Norrigans, because compared to them, he was just a rookie
20:20.25HachimanDO YOU EVEN [PRAISE]
20:20.49AdmiralPanda\o/
20:20.57Hachiman\[T]/
20:21.08OluapPlayer[Patches Squat] Surely you're not a cleric
20:21.23AdmiralPandaYes I am u fuk [WoG]
20:21.23Hachimanolol
20:21.31OluapPlayer[rages internally]
20:21.46AdmiralPandathe non dark-souls players have no clue what the fuck we're on about
20:21.52The_Randomness^
20:21.55The_Randomnesscan confirm
20:22.06OluapPlayerThey're missing out that's what
20:22.11AdmiralPandaagreed
20:22.38ImperiosOluapPlayer: Incandescence intensifies
20:22.48Monet_3Meh
20:22.55AdmiralPandaso me and three of my friends are doing CosPvP as some boss called the Abyss Watchers once I get the game, looking forward to it because apparently it involves breakdancing with greatswords
20:22.58OluapPlayerPatches is not incandescent
20:23.02OluapPlayerExcept for his bald head
20:23.14HachimanDoes this mean Patches is Saitama
20:23.15OluapPlayerAdmiralPanda: Exactly that
20:23.22AdmiralPandaPanda approves
20:23.24OluapPlayerPatches is not invincible
20:23.27OluapPlayerSo no
20:23.33HachimanBut he is unbreakable
20:23.38AdmiralPandaand no [KATANA] in sight
20:23.42Monet_3I've been playing XCOM 2 al levening
20:24.12AdmiralPandawatching DkS1 katana montages set to Linkin Park, best thing
20:24.19OluapPlayerdid you not watch any trailers at all?
20:24.24HachimanLemme guess
20:24.26HachimanOnlyAfro
20:24.45AdmiralPandaOnlyAfro, bunch of other people too
20:24.58AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: I have seen nothing
20:25.06OluapPlayerThat explains it then
20:25.07AdmiralPandaI am a blind John Snu snu
20:25.24OluapPlayerI liked it when, in OnlyAfro's videos, whenever someone uses WoG he puts a He-Man sound in the background
20:25.26OluapPlayerHEEEEEEEYEEEEEEE
20:25.33Hachimanhur
20:26.01AdmiralPandamhm, no idea why but it makes such a dickish thing funny
20:26.06AdmiralPandano idea why he does it *
20:26.26AdmiralPandaI'd have gone with Lily Allen's "Fuck You" personally
20:26.27HachimanAnd of course, how can anyone forget
20:26.30HachimanFIRE UP THE BASS CANNON
20:26.36OluapPlayertired and ded meme
20:26.38AdmiralPandahe didn't even start that XD
20:27.02HachimanI thought OnlyAfro was the guy who birthed the Giantdad
20:27.28AdmiralPandanah, he just made it popular
20:27.28OluapPlayerHe was
20:27.37OluapPlayerThe Giantdad video is his creation
20:27.46AdmiralPandathe video is, the build isn't
20:28.04AdmiralPandahe spawned a lot of the nonsense around it
20:28.26OluapPlayerThe beginning of the end
20:28.59HachimanI love the Legend, fuck you hur
20:29.11AdmiralPandaHachiman: I take it you never did much PvP
20:29.28HachimanI got twinked whenever I did
20:29.34AdmiralPandabecause every fightclubber hates OnlyAfro for that video
20:29.41OluapPlayerI'm surprised he didn't try again when the Mask of Pharros was added in DS2, but then again poise works differently in that game so it'd not work
20:29.53OluapPlayerAnd he can't do it in 3 because poise is literally disabled altogether
20:30.05HachimanWhy even have poise as a fucking stat
20:30.08dino82_Updates: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Torment_of_Arcaniox
20:30.12dino82_it is coming to a close :D
20:30.14AdmiralPandayeah I hope that's only temporary because not having it is pain
20:30.32OluapPlayerThere's been several patches since release and that was not addressed
20:30.36OluapPlayerIt might be intentional
20:30.48AdmiralPandaHachiman: you have poise as a stat because without it heavy builds are impossible
20:30.58OluapPlayerHe means why have it and not have it work
20:30.59HachimanYeah I know, I meant
20:31.02HachimanYeah that
20:31.04AdmiralPandaright I get you
20:31.25OluapPlayerPoise is in the game as a stat which you can clearly see in your menu, but it doesn't work on anything except enemies
20:32.30AdmiralPandawait so it's only disabled for PvP?
20:32.35OluapPlayerThese japs are all mad and don't know what they're doing
20:32.37OluapPlayerYes
20:32.39AdmiralPandaI mean that's still fucking stupid but slightly better
20:32.48OluapPlayerPvE enemies have poise, players don't
20:32.59OluapPlayerNot even NPC player-like enemies have poise
20:33.24AdmiralPandaso still stupid
20:33.35OluapPlayerWhich is a contrast to Dark Souls 2 where they had like a gorillion poise
20:33.42OluapPlayerThey're both dumb in separate ways of the spectrum
20:34.09Monet_3Maybe having it inside is a holdover from the old engine?
20:34.23OluapPlayerMaybe, but it still shows up in your meny
20:34.24OluapPlayermenu
20:34.32OluapPlayerEvery armor has a visible poise value that does nothing
20:35.28OluapPlayerFor reference to those who don't play the game, poise is a stat that lets you do your actions without being interrupted by enemy attacks
20:35.55OluapPlayerIt helped you tank hits in previous games but in 3, you can wear a fucking boulder as armor and be stunlocked by a dagger
20:35.57AdmiralPandawhich is of course essential to tank builds, and those that focus on heavy weapons
20:36.57AdmiralPandait made PvP great because you had a lot of variety, plenty of builds that were made with the understanding of which weapons they could take a hit from without being staggered in order to carry out a comb
20:36.59AdmiralPandacombo*
20:37.13HachimanNow it's just DEX builds all over the shop
20:37.42HachimanAlso has pyromancy been nerfed or
20:37.55OluapPlayerAs far as I know, kind of
20:38.02OluapPlayerAll magic is weak in 3
20:38.21AdmiralPandaonce, the poise build, master of all weapon types kept the balance, but everything changed when the [KATANA] attacked
20:38.59OluapPlayerAlso from what I see, people are going for quality builds instead of just STR or DEX
20:39.06AdmiralPandatbh magic was really bull in the earlier games
20:39.06OluapPlayerQuality being 40 STR 40 DEX
20:39.09AdmiralPandaeq qua
20:39.12AdmiralPandaew qua*
20:39.22AdmiralPandawhy this, pls remove
20:39.31AdmiralPandawell I know exactly why, there's NO FUCKING POISE
20:40.00OluapPlayerYes, and magic is bad so magic builds are inferior to just going at people with a straight sword
20:40.05OluapPlayerOr god forbid, the Estoc
20:41.25OluapPlayerPeople hate that weapon so much it's almost funny
20:42.22AdmiralPandathe one weapon I hated the most was Ricard's Rapier in 1
20:42.38AdmiralPandathat thing with a fuck-you DEXINT build, ech
20:45.12AdmiralPandain fairness though, it was genuinely one of hte more interesting weapons in the game
20:45.21AdmiralPandaand it synergised so well with buffs
20:46.16OluapPlayerOh another reason balance is fucked
20:46.39ImperiosTechnobliterator: http://yourpresentperfect.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sport-84.jpg I do not care that you do not understand a word in that picture but just look at it
20:46.45OluapPlayerThey introduced infusions which increase weapon scaling. For example, an infusion that increases STR scaling but lowers DEX and vice-versa
20:46.52OluapPlayerBut there's a Quality infusion
20:47.01OluapPlayerAnd there's absolutely no reason to not use it
20:47.22AdmiralPandagdi From
20:47.49OluapPlayeriirc a quality +10 Long Sword has A scaling in both STR and DEX
20:48.11AdmiralPandawut
20:48.52OluapPlayerIt's OP as hell and I'm surprised it wasn't nerfed yet
21:00.48AdmiralPandaalrighty well I'm off
21:01.09The_Randomnesscya
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21:17.22Wormy_hi
21:18.01Wormy_Had a nice picnic in the sunshine, countryside, with the dogs.  Although they kept breathing on my sandwiches which isn't nice.
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21:27.42DrodoEmpirebrb
21:29.57Wormy_Helicoptor blows over portable toilet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-36232084
21:30.11Wormy_Well glad I wasn't in one of them
21:30.21XhoImpyDroid: I just keep thinking of the utter hilarity if Spode was actually the Xhodocto
21:31.08XhoNot sure which Xhodocto Spode would actually refer t o
21:31.10Xhoto*
21:31.57DrodoEmpireBack
21:32.31XhoI could imagine in a bout of utter irony it would either be Angazhar or Santorakh
21:32.58ImpyDroidWouldn't be it Krath
21:33.06ImpyDroidBut it is a valid interpretation
21:33.08XhoDepends on how ironic the Xhodocto would like to be
21:33.35XhoAny of them would be perfectly valid as Spode
21:33.44ImpyDroidBut yes Spode's description matches either One God or Xhods
21:34.00ImpyDroidSpode is basically the force of universal order
21:34.07ImpyDroidSo Krath I presume
21:34.12XhoWell by that definition Krath yeah
21:34.55XhoIt could equally be Angazhar or Santorakh by falsely influencing them, they would have been known to do that before
21:35.49XhoAlthough by how long the belief in Spode has lasted, more likely Krath since Angazhar and Santorakh's influences often lead to direct or indirect destruction
21:35.54ImpyDroidWell as I understand the idea of Spode was influenced by the Nars' belief in the inherent order of th3 universe
21:36.15ImpyDroidAnd the Rades belief in the Universal Truth
21:36.24XhoAngazhar and Santorakh's spheres bend well towards chaos whilst Krath and Draguros bend towards order
21:36.41ImpyDroidTheology is a very weird matter so it is hard to decide which gods are the same and which are not
21:36.50ImpyDroidDraguros works best come to think about it
21:36.54ImpyDroidThough
21:37.01XhoWell Draguros is a completely monochromatic order
21:37.10XhoZero and one, that's it
21:37.11ImpyDroidThe four aspects of Spode sort of coincide with the four Xhodocto
21:37.30OluapPlayerKoluap - i knew they were all demon wankers
21:37.37XhoThe four Xhodocto have this sort of substance vs nihilistic personality
21:37.39ImpyDroidCreation, intervention, chaos/freedom, and order/stillness
21:37.52XhoKrath and Santorakh are rather substantial in their influence, Angazhar and Draguros tend to remove that substance
21:38.26ImpyDroidSo Drag queen -> Aang -> Santa -> Crate
21:38.39XhoMore the other way around
21:39.02XhoKrath is the least nihilistic of the four, Draguros is the most
21:39.11ImpyDroidHell maybe there is a sect claiming Spode is Xhodocto
21:39.24XhoAnd then Santorakh and Angazhar in the middle, though that can interchange because Santorakh is too chaotic to place firmly
21:39.40ImpyDroidCould be another group of Dominion Radeons
21:39.47ImpyDroidAnd another LI for Geltastra
21:39.52XhoKrath - secret colour is PURPLE
21:40.05OluapPlayerShu'rimordir - we are purpose             we are spode
21:40.11OluapPlayerpurple
21:40.17OluapPlayerDon't know how that turned into purpose there
21:40.22XhoStill works
21:40.42XhoThere's a lot of interchangeable relationships between the four Xhodocto
21:40.53XhoIn some way they're all opposities and harmonious with each other
21:41.13OluapPlayerSantorakh - angazhar is opposite all the time           won't even eat the cheese i force into his face
21:41.53ImpyDroidWait
21:41.55ImpyDroidSantorakh
21:41.57ImpyDroidCheese
21:42.01ImpyDroidMice
21:42.06ImpyDroidRadeons
21:42.10XhoSantorakh - told you
21:42.16OluapPlayerSantorakh - i was tyraz's wife all along
21:42.56XhoKrath is probably the only Xhodocto that isn't totally harmonious with Angazhar or Santorakh
21:43.01ImpyDroidSpeaking of which I made a few creature models for Radeon world wildlife
21:43.18ImpyDroidAnimals which lived on Vendespode and which they planted elsewhere
21:43.25ImpyDroidMostly monkeys strangely enough
21:43.33OluapPlayerAnd flying eye
21:43.40XhoKrath is harmonious with Santorakh's substantial nature but opposes Santorakh's chaotic influence, Krath opposes both Angazhar's nihilistic and chaotic influence
21:43.48XhoSo technically Krath and Angazhar are polar opposites
21:44.00OluapPlayerAngazhar - loser            Krath - no u
21:44.19XhoAngazhar opposes Krath's substantial and orderly influence, whilst Angazhar is harmonious with Santorakh's chaotic influence but opposes the substantial nature
21:45.05XhoSantorakh is harmonious with Angazhar's chaotic nature but opposes his nihilistic tendencies whilst harmonious with Krath's substantial nature but opposes order
21:45.56XhoDraguros is harmonious with Angazhar's nihilistic tendencies but opposes chaos, harminous with Krath's order but opposes substance, completely polarises Santorakh
21:46.08ImpyDroidThe models I had already were these weird tripod dogs
21:46.19ImpyDroidAnd OP's I oldest in
21:46.30XhoSo Angazhar = / = Krath,   Santorakh = / = Draguros
21:46.42ImpyDroidThis is some intense cosmological shit
21:46.44OluapPlayerMy sole contribution to the Divinarium
21:46.47OluapPlayerFlying eyes
21:47.04ImpyDroidYou also had small toxic monsters
21:47.07XhoWhich does support my claim of Angazhar and Santorakh are the opposites of Draguros and Krath
21:47.13OluapPlayerOh those
21:47.14Xhobeing*
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21:47.17OluapPlayerI forgot they existed
21:47.22OluapPlayerThat's how insignificant they are
21:47.42ImpyDroidSo I am also going to have more thana few plant-based creature
21:48.07XhoSo I guess Spode = Krath is probably the most feasible one
21:48.12ImpyDroidOh also
21:48.16ImpyDroidhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/83/Vendespode.png/revision/latest?cb=20131019101340 These thinga
21:48.36OluapPlayerGiant scorpion thinga
21:49.23XhoAlthough the way Jaharan worshipped Spode would throw their beliefs into Angazhar's category
21:49.30XhoWhat with insane levels of destruction
21:49.46OluapPlayerKrath - NOT SYMMETRICAL *flips universe*
21:50.07XhoSantorakh - remove krath
21:50.35ImpyDroidWhat if Angazhar actually manipulated Jaharan
21:50.42OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9HzqxwKfiM inside the Xhodocto's minds
21:50.45XhoWell there's a chance
21:50.47ImpyDroidBy giving him a small loan of a million Dei'orbis
21:51.01XhoOluapPlayer: Insomnia theme tune
21:51.25OluapPlayerSantorakh - welcome to Insomnia                 we remove          also there's kebab in the table
21:51.44XhoI'm not actually sure whether Santorakh is geared towards creation or destruction
21:51.51XhoI'd say creation
21:51.59ImpyDroidBut who is Turkey then
21:52.13XhoSantorakh - kinmo    :>
21:52.16ImpyDroidActually this fits Caligaduro more
21:52.19OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfdyMWf68c no, this is Insomnia's theme
21:52.31ImpyDroidBecause this song is about the genocide of denizens of Turkey
21:52.40Xho"MAKE IT STOP" - Volim, whenever
21:52.47OluapPlayerVolim, all the time
21:53.04OluapPlayerAll fantasyverse factions are in different degrees of REMOVE
21:53.11ImpyDroidOT BIHACA DO PETROVCA SELA
21:53.18OluapPlayerEmpire of Man is all REMOVE ELF, Shiarchon are all REMOVE TALMYR
21:53.26ImpyDroidSRPSKA ZEMLJA NAPADNUTA CELA
21:53.30XhoInsomnolence are all REMOVE SHIARCHON
21:53.35ImpyDroidKARADZICU VODI SRBE SVOE
21:53.50ImpyDroidI've memorized the remove kebab song apparently
21:53.55XhoI wonder what would happen if Santorakh suddenly decided to send Volim back
21:54.06XhoI mean how Volim would be in the head
21:54.09OluapPlayerHe'd probably die instantly
21:54.19XhoSantorakh - welcome back          THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
21:54.36OluapPlayerHe's just a big lump of flesh with probably no skin
21:55.15XhoWhat if he were completely restored
21:55.23ImpyDroidDoes that include the mind
21:55.40OluapPlayerRestored body then he'd probably go full retard
21:55.50XhoNot the mind
21:56.27XhoSantorakh would never restore the mindframe of anyone he's kept captive
21:56.57ImpyDroidMaybe he'd turn good
21:57.08OluapPlayerI imagine he'd still die not too long after though, have a heart attack or go catatonic
21:57.42XhoImagine if Santorakh had every SporeWiki villain at his table
21:57.54OluapPlayerSantorakh - man it's crowded in here now
21:58.08XhoThat's probably what Santorakh would like to do anyway, just have every single dead villain there in eternal torment and food
21:58.16ImpyDroidTyrone and Shu start a shitstorm
21:58.25ImpyDroidHell make that canon
21:58.31OluapPlayerNo hur
21:58.35XhoSantorakh - NO DESSERT
21:58.48ImpyDroidHave a few other dead villains in Santa's tea house
21:59.31ImpyDroidGrochius could be there
21:59.34HachimanWhat about villains from the Fantasyverse
21:59.37ImpyDroidMy only good villain hur
21:59.44OluapPlayerEven more no
21:59.51ImpyDroidWell how would Santa snatch them
21:59.58HachimanTrue
22:00.09ImpyDroidWould he like go to Cali and Mort
22:00.13XhoSantorakh does what he wants
22:00.30XhoI don't actually know the relation of power between Santorakh and the Simulacra
22:00.36XhoProbably not a good idea to try
22:00.38OluapPlayerSantorakh - man what an ugly baby
22:00.50OluapPlayerNone of the Simulacra are omnipotent so there's tha
22:00.50OluapPlayery
22:00.52OluapPlayert
22:00.53OluapPlayerFuck
22:01.13XhoSantorakh - kolossus                what did i say about going awol
22:02.05XhoWell in terms of general accessibility there's a chance Santorakh could move into the Fantasyverse if he so wished but I'd prefer to keep the two separate
22:02.25XhoThe concept of a Xhodocto in the Fantasyverse would break the Fantasyverse
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22:03.10ImpyDroidIn my headcanon Koldenwelt is literally a tiny planet in the fictionverse
22:03.34TechnobliteratorMy headcanon is that it's in the pre-Annihilation fictionverse
22:03.36OluapPlayerYour headcanon is bad
22:03.43OluapPlayerBoth of you now
22:03.46Technobliteratornu
22:03.46XhoMy headcanon is that it's entirely separate
22:03.46Technobliteratormy headcanon is best
22:03.53ImpyDroidDaily reminder fantasyverse fictionverse crossover was best idea of mine ever
22:03.56ImpyDroidTwo Hachis
22:03.58OluapPlayerMy actual canon is they're separate
22:04.09TechnobliteratorI thought the actual canon was ambiguity
22:04.16OluapPlayerNo, they're separate period
22:04.17TechnobliteratorAnd they're just never mentioned together?
22:04.35Technobliteratoris that made official anywhere?
22:04.41XhoActual canon is that they're a separate universe although the crossover was the working of the Mali'Nar
22:04.42OluapPlayerThe fantasyverse rules
22:04.51Technobliteratorwell
22:04.53TechnobliteratorI don't care
22:04.55TechnobliteratorMy headcanon remains
22:04.57Technobliterator\o/
22:05.12XhoAethereal Firmament = Plane of Chaos mwahaha
22:05.13OluapPlayerI'm gonna refrain from answering to that
22:05.19XhoActually, not an impossible theory
22:05.22HachimanMy headcanon is that it's some kind of parallel or alternate universe to that of the Fictionverse which explains why there are characters and races that appear in both, or carry large similarities with one another
22:05.23HachimanWhich is essentially separate
22:05.40TechnobliteratorI mean
22:05.51TechnobliteratorThe way I see it, it's like Warhammer 40K to Warhammer Normal
22:05.57HachimanWarhammer Normal
22:06.00HachimanFor fuck's sake
22:06.09Technobliteratorit's Warhammer Normal to me
22:06.10OluapPlayerThey're also separate period
22:06.16Technobliteratorit will remain Warhammer Normal
22:06.18Technobliteratoryeah but
22:06.21Technobliteratorthere are comparisons
22:06.24XhoAethereal Firmament as a plane of Chaos isn't actually improbable due to the functions of the Fantasyverse but it's Chaos so if there was any relation it wouldn't be knowable to anyone
22:06.24Technobliteratorlike how Orks are in both
22:06.31Technobliteratoryou know
22:06.42Technobliteratordid I ever explain female Loron in the Fantasyverse versions?
22:06.47OluapPlayerNo
22:06.54XhoBut yeah final word is that is separate, I don't want the Xhodocto to cross those boundaries
22:06.58OluapPlayerKhorloron just have Norol
22:07.08TechnobliteratorHm
22:07.13TechnobliteratorI'm not sure if that's too alien
22:07.16HachimanThe Orks in WH:FB / WH:AoS are not the same as the Orks in WH40K
22:07.22HachimanThey work similarly but they are not the same
22:07.24OluapPlayerAlien is not a problem in any universe
22:07.47TechnobliteratorLoron in the Fantasyverse are not the same as Loron in the Fictionverse, though
22:07.53Technobliteratoroh, then it's fine
22:07.58Technobliteratorfor Norol to exist in Fantasyverse
22:08.20OluapPlayerDoes it matter? You're not even in the setting anymore
22:08.25XhoHachiman: Xhodocto are Supa Simulacra-jin
22:08.34Xhosaiya peepl
22:08.44TechnobliteratorI thought I could come back if I wanted to? ?_?
22:08.45HachimanSupa-Shimuracura-jin
22:08.53XhoCaligaduro - ey b0ss
22:08.54OluapPlayerYou can, but you haven't
22:08.58OluapPlayerSo my question stands
22:09.08OluapPlayerIt personally doesn't matter to the Khorloron
22:09.18TechnobliteratorOkay, I need to know
22:09.33HachimanCrux -  G̵͝I͟͟B̷̧̀͡͡E̸ ̢́D̵̷̢͜E̕͟ ̶̛́͡͠Ṕ̧̀͘U̸̡̕S̷͞͡Į͞͝ ̶͘͏͘͠PÍ Í Ì´Ì·L̢͞S̸̨͞͏ ̵̛́͟B̴̛͏0̨͝Ś̡̨͢͟S҉͡
22:09.34TechnobliteratorDo Normal Loron exist in Fantasyverse, or is it just Kholoron?
22:09.40XhoSantorakh - maybe later
22:09.53OluapPlayerThere are normal Loron, hachi's Bharloron and my Khorloron
22:09.58Technobliteratorahhh
22:10.00Technobliteratorin which case
22:10.02OluapPlayerYour Loron exist since these two subspecies had to come from somewhere
22:10.07TechnobliteratorI could probably come back
22:10.10ImpyDroidTechnobliterator: It is Fantasy Battles, not Normal
22:10.14Technobliteratorin 3 weeks
22:10.22ImpyDroidOr Age of Sigmar but that is the reboot
22:10.31HachimanAoS is not a reboot
22:10.32ImpyDroidGROUND MARINES
22:10.38HachimanIt is an actual sequel
22:10.41Technobliteratorit's Warhammer Normal to me
22:10.44OluapPlayerYou also never asked to remove them from canon, so they're still around
22:10.46ImpyDroidWell yes it is
22:10.48Technobliteratorit will remain Warhammer Normal to me!
22:10.50HachimanThe characters acknowledge the events of the past universe
22:10.57ImpyDroidTrue
22:11.16HachimanFyreslayers are probably the best things to have come out of AoS
22:11.21TechnobliteratorI think most of my old fantasyverse characters can safely be removed from canon since I don't remember doing anything with them
22:11.28HachimanFire-centric dwarven warrior-Jews
22:11.34XhoSo, Santorakh's Table has had Volim, Plant Dood, Moxix, Kolossus and Billig as the more notable villains
22:11.43XhoAs well as Shu'ytrogarva
22:12.41OluapPlayerShu'ytrogarva - was boring so left
22:12.57XhoStill remember that bit where Santorakh was whacking Plant Dood with a paddle, calling him a weed
22:13.23OluapPlayerBorealis - he's not wrong
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22:13.48HachimanSantorakh - IT'S NOT FUCKING WEED YOU PIECE OF SHIT STONER
22:14.05XhoPlant Dood - bruh
22:15.14ImpyDroidSpeaking of which
22:15.30ImpyDroidDoes D&D really have monsters called Azers
22:15.45HachimanYep
22:15.54ImpyDroid...Wow
22:15.58HachimanGiant fire people
22:15.59ImpyDroidJust wow
22:16.02OluapPlayerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azer_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) one million years in Google
22:16.38HachimanD&D and Pathfinder have a lot of crap from mythology
22:16.45ImpyDroidWell
22:16.57Xho"...You have a lot of nerve, doing that. Rule one of Insomnia? No one touches Volim, not even Volim touches Volim!" - Santorakh
22:17.06XhoProbably my favourite bit of dialogue
22:17.09ImpyDroid"Azer" is a slur in Russian
22:17.10OluapPlayerhur
22:17.19ImpyDroidFor Azerbaijani people
22:17.22Hachimaninb4 Volim cannot physically touch Volim
22:17.23ImpyDroidSo like "Paki"
22:17.30OluapPlayerIt's not a russian word so they have no reason to care
22:17.32HachimanImpyDroid: That's probably NOT what they were thinking
22:17.38XhoSantorakh - dats da joke
22:18.02ImpyDroidWell it is etymologically related
22:18.04Xho"Right, chop chop. Quick! I've got a lot of rehearsals to do for my next opus! You know, I was actually writing my own opera at one point. The lyrics were an entire opus! Thirty eight acts to it, and guess what happened?! Volim through it off a cliff! So what he's doing now? Well. I got the Aspirants to turn him into a cello. So now he has to re-compose the entire opera using himself."
22:18.11TechnobliteratorWhat happened to Volim again?
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22:18.24OluapPlayerAre you serious
22:18.27OluapPlayerHow can you not remember
22:18.32XhoHe's spending the rest of all eternity in Insomnia
22:18.38XhoAs Santorakh's bff
22:18.39TechnobliteratorI remember that he's in Insomnia
22:18.43TechnobliteratorI do not remember how he got there
22:18.55HachimanMeanwhile Volim in the Fantasyverse is unifying the Wranploer and
22:18.57OluapPlayerKolossus tossed him into Chaos and Santorakh snatched him
22:19.10Technobliteratoroh
22:19.29Technobliteratorthe only BCN death I remember is Sollow
22:19.32OluapPlayerAs punishment for messing with the Chronoscopic Shard
22:19.39Technobliteratorhe got the death SporeWiki deserved
22:19.40Xho"Civilian - Spoon is good for eating soup, scratching back, and singing a song with. Fork is even better, and helps with eating cake. And cheese."                  " Mu - I'm going to die here."
22:19.48OluapPlayerhur
22:19.52Technobliteratoryeah, we're not having Shards in the remake, so we may have to rethink that bit
22:20.05OluapPlayerHe's still getting thrown into Chaos
22:20.09Technobliteratorof course
22:20.11OluapPlayerFor what reason we don't know but he is
22:20.14Technobliteratorbut we just need a reason
22:20.24OluapPlayerWe got plenty of time to think that
22:20.29HachimanMake Sollow super likeable in the remake
22:20.31TechnobliteratorThis is true
22:20.37TechnobliteratorMake Sollow great again
22:20.43Technobliteratorloljk he was never great
22:20.55OluapPlayerThe remake didn't even start and he's already ruined
22:20.56Technobliteratorwell, I'm not in charge of him this time around
22:21.38Xho"No, he cannot! Put that damn amulet on the bust or I'll feed you to the Asgord pits! Yes, I have one! And they're damn hungry!"
22:21.52OluapPlayer>tfw asgord pits are canon
22:22.08XhoSantorakh - everything is canon
22:22.15OluapPlayerThat's one expression I've not seen in years though
22:22.24Technobliteratoroh, then my fantasyverse headcanon is canon
22:22.24Technobliterator:D
22:22.33XhoSantorakh - wrong
22:22.42TechnobliteratorBUT YOU SAID EVERYTHING IS CANON
22:22.51XhoSantorakh - yes
22:22.54Xho"You lost it? How clumsy of you! That book had the secret recipe to my thirty-seven-and-a-half-man cake! The cake's for thirty seven and a half people, not made out of thirty seven and a half people by the way."
22:23.25OluapPlayerSantorakh - that's the next recipe
22:24.08OluapPlayerI like the final battle of that arc because it has Santorakh riding a fucking bee
22:25.02XhoSantorakh - i am ur worst nightmare
22:25.11Technobliteratorman, thinking back on the Borealis War original
22:25.23Technobliteratorthe fight against the Loron felt really cheap and underwhelming
22:25.27OluapPlayerSantorakh - IT'S HIP TO             Avaritia - no pls
22:25.29Technobliteratorespecially compared to stuff in Da Reckoning
22:25.52Technobliteratorit was just really brief, and only Gol'thabex was made to appear as a genuine threat
22:26.02Xho"...Ah yes. Volim. Uncultured swine ripped himself to pieces because he doesn't like opera."
22:26.11OluapPlayerI didn't like Gol'thabex back then, he was annoying
22:26.44TechnobliteratorHe was kind of an attempt to be a different form of cheesy and goofy
22:26.46Technobliteratorbut it didn't really work
22:27.17OluapPlayerHe was not goofy
22:27.21OluapPlayerAnd still isn't really
22:27.27TechnobliteratorHe was an attempt to be
22:27.32Monet_3Dragonball-style threat has its limits, my only real word on them atter.
22:27.53TechnobliteratorHis goofiness was hoe he tries to be the over-the-top badass merc in the room
22:27.54Technobliteratorbut fails
22:28.00Technobliterator*how
22:28.13OluapPlayerStill he has just a merc who was somehow stronger than everyone else
22:28.19Technobliteratoryeah
22:28.21Technobliteratorit didn't work at all
22:28.51TechnobliteratorI also didn't think Drizz'pyrokirk was good back in the day
22:28.53Technobliteratorbut he's alright now
22:28.56HachimanMonet: Don't see how this is an example of Dragonball-style threats
22:29.30Monet_3Hachiman: Was gol'thabex the one who took the time shard?
22:29.39TechnobliteratorNope
22:29.44OluapPlayerIt was Grak'tona
22:29.47TechnobliteratorAlso, time shards are not in the remake
22:29.55Technobliteratoryeah, Grak'tona took it, grew oversized
22:29.56Technobliteratorand then lost
22:30.03Technobliteratorthat bit was meant to be super goofy
22:30.03Xho"Stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick stick! Stick! Stuck! Stock! Stack!" - Santorakh, Lord of Sticks
22:30.12TechnobliteratorI think Grak'tona is actually the goofiest Loron
22:30.17Technobliteratoror maybe Kal'kuir?
22:30.30OluapPlayerI find Kal'kuir the goofiest
22:30.33OluapPlayerBut Grak'tona comes close
22:31.05Technobliterator"DIS GUN IS DA BEST GUN EVA"                       *kills past self in one hit*                                      "WAT DA HELL WE DIDNT EVEN FITE YET"
22:31.21Monet_3Might be my judgement right now and how Draognball-style threat was how they came off to me in Da Reckoning.
22:31.39XhoReally needs some more Santorakh moments
22:31.49TechnobliteratorDa Reckoning is not really related to the Borealis War
22:31.57OluapPlayerSantorakh - tantummodo mortem 2: with more cheese and less plot
22:31.59TechnobliteratorAnd it was mostly meant to be a fun war
22:32.22HachimanI'd have loved if he stole that gun from his past self and now had two of them
22:32.26XhoSantorakh - that's how it works
22:32.30TechnobliteratorBut then again, I've never seen a single Dragonball episode, so I can't say where the comparisons are
22:32.35Technobliteratorlmao
22:32.49HachimanThat's actually what an Ork did in 40K once
22:33.03TechnobliteratorI remember that
22:33.11HachimanGot sent back in time by a Warp storm, found his past self, killed him and now has two of his favourite weapon
22:33.16XhoMan I'm hungry
22:33.23HachimanXho: Order a pizza or a Chinese
22:33.31XhoNot at this time jeus
22:33.34Xhojesus even
22:33.40XhoI can't put anything in the oven either
22:33.43XhoWe have no oven atm
22:33.44HachimanDude pizza is available at like most hours
22:33.49The_RandomnessIt's never too late for pizza time
22:33.52TechnobliteratorNope
22:33.59TechnobliteratorThey don't deliver past, like, 8 or so
22:34.04XhoYeah but everyone's asleep in the house so I'm not waking them up for the expense of food
22:34.07Hachimanwat
22:34.12HachimanI remember ordering night time pizza
22:34.12Monet_3Techno: Basically what I mean is threat level is proportionate ot physical power or the amount of mass damage that can be caused.
22:34.21XhoBut no we have no kitchen at the moment
22:34.49Technobliteratorin this case, just sleep earlier and eat more tomorrow
22:35.27Xhobut
22:35.29Xhoim hungry
22:36.24Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASpode Man we need to redo this page
22:36.54HachimanEat some cereal
22:37.01HachimanOr go to a local chippy
22:37.34XhoIn this neighbourhood
22:37.36XhoI don't want to die thanks
22:37.37OluapPlayerAnd by we, you mean Imp
22:37.39Xhoues
22:37.41Xhoyes
22:37.41Xho*
22:41.14XhoEh might as well sleep
22:41.21XhoGot nothing else to do
22:41.35Technobliteratorgnight
22:42.20HachimanNow I'm hungry
22:42.43dinoman9877I blanked out on all that conversation because it was about lore I have no idea about, and theology on top of that, which is something my species doesn't have. <_>
22:44.02Monet_3They're not spiritual or do they not believei n gods?
22:45.05dinoman987799% of the species are non-sentient workers and fighters
22:45.26dinoman9877The sentient 1% is only focused on survival, not gods.
22:45.41HachimanHuh so this is weird
22:45.57HachimanAmerican Ninja Warrior is dubbed by a Japanese commentator
22:46.09HachimanWhile Japanese Ninja Warrior is dubbed by an American commentator
22:46.26Monet_3Hachiman: OKay that second part was interesting
22:46.50HachimanWait
22:46.57HachimanNo, American Ninja Warrior has BOTH
22:47.07Monet_3dinoman9877: Back i nthe old days those two used to relate.
22:47.16HachimanIt has a guy yelling in Japanese when the contestants are actually doing stuff
22:47.25Monet_3I remember Ninja WArrior with a Japanese ocmmentator.
22:47.25HachimanAnd Americans with mics talking about the aftermath
22:47.40dinoman9877monet_3: Well I mean it's an ant-like society
22:47.55dinoman9877A monarch and all the workers are the offspring
22:48.09dinoman9877Just with the monarch being able to alter genetic code on a whim...
22:48.16Monet_3dinoman9877: Relibion is a powerful unifier.
22:48.21Monet_3religion*
22:48.30dinoman9877Or mindless servitude
22:48.51dinoman9877The beauty of genetic alteration is the monarch can force the offspring to be dumb
22:49.03dinoman9877To have no other drives
22:49.10dinoman9877Except to serve the leader
22:49.24Monet_3Hachiman: I always thought the yelling Japanese commentator was a holdover fro mthe original broadcast, while the English commentator who spoke over hi mwas added for the American version.
22:51.36Monet_3You don't have to be dumb to be obediant. But then again intelligence isn't a linear curve.
22:52.31dinoman9877Monet_3: Well here's the main issue. The larva have the potential to be a monarch at any time. What's to stop a revolution if one was smarter than the rest?
22:52.32HachimanIt's smart to be obedient in a lot of circumstances actually
22:52.44TechnobliteratorIt's smart to question orders
22:52.48dinoman9877Power hunger would tear nests apart
22:53.32dinoman9877Techno, that's just it. They AREN'T smart. They're mindless and countless. They use numbers and strength to overwhelm, no matter the cost
22:53.39dinoman9877If they were smarter, they would question that
22:53.43dinoman9877Even dare to go against it
22:53.52Technobliteratorwell
22:54.02Technobliteratorwe already have a species that does that
22:54.03Technobliterator;D
22:54.13HachimanBut why if that is what promotes their survival?
22:54.24dinoman9877Whaddya mean Hachi?
22:54.31HachimanWhy would they question their most efficient means of surviving and thriving?
22:54.54dinoman9877Well, when would one become selfish?
22:55.01dinoman9877When would self preservation come into play?
22:55.10dinoman9877When would whole groups reject orders so they may live?
22:55.25HachimanTrue
22:55.27dinoman9877With intelligence comes greed
22:55.33dinoman9877Primates have shown that
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22:55.43HachimanHi Panda
22:56.04dinoman9877By keeping the swarm dumb, the Swarmlord ensures they give their 110% to fight for the colony
22:56.11dinoman9877No matter if they live or die
22:56.18The_RandomnessHey Panda
22:56.48Monet_3Well there's other ways to make someone smar and obediant
22:56.48dinoman9877Whereas in ants or termites it's a given thanks to how they evolved, the Swarmlord's exact genetic sequence is in everyone of the swarm
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22:57.05Monet_3Like coding in endorphin rushes when following orders from the monarch.
22:57.18dino82_Hi!
22:57.21dinoman9877But by forcing it to be altered, the swarmlord can keep some genes from activating
22:57.23Technobliteratorhi dino
22:57.27dinoman9877Genes that could develop the brain more
22:57.28Technobliteratorand panda
22:57.43dinoman9877It's a matter of keeping the peace
22:57.45dino82_Disconnected due to some annoying download forced to upgradeto Windows 10, for the hundreth time Windows, I do not wish to have Windows 10! I do not like it!
22:57.56dinoman9877Again, with intelligence comes greed
22:57.58dino82_Removed the updates from the Update center, hope that helps. Anyone else having these issues as well?
22:58.14dinoman9877What would happen if a baby was born smart?
22:58.17dino82_@jo: The first part of Tertius is reaching its conclusion! : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Torment_of_Arcaniox
22:58.21dinoman9877It'd want the power for itself
22:58.24dino82_Nice conclusion of the Da Reckoning as well!
22:58.42dinoman9877So it'd become a swarmlord, start its own colony, and try to take power
22:58.48Monet_3dinoman9877: Only because with greed comes security.
22:58.51Monet_3Hoarding resources.
22:59.10dinoman9877The Swarms are, sadly, independent beings.
22:59.21dinoman9877They tend to try to coexist but they can and do fight amongst themselves...
23:00.13AdmiralPandahi all, what's going on?
23:00.37dinoman9877There's a line of succession to the swarms though. When a Swarmlord eventually reaches the end of its life, it has a baby that specifically will turn into a Swarmlord. There is no power struggle, just a new monarch taking over for the old
23:00.59dinoman9877But if two colonies don't get along, then war breaks out until one colony is gone or they just back off from each other
23:01.19Monet_3AdmiralPanda: More biology talk, this tiem on the merits of keeping a large group of aliens dumb to avoid rebellion.
23:01.59dinoman9877Though sometimes these larva are born early and carried by the flyers to other places on the planet and abandoned, so they may form their own colonies
23:02.11dinoman9877As ants and termites do
23:02.19Monet_3I was about to say there is speculation that with the right knowledge, humans could one day remove the mroe primal instincts our brains are encoded with
23:02.20dinoman9877In a rather odd fashion however
23:02.42dinoman9877But you see what I'm going with right?
23:02.43Monet_3uisng genetics*
23:02.56AdmiralPandawell if you're talking a swarm, the drones simply wouldn't need the extra brain mass, problem solved
23:03.16AdmiralPandaif you're talking fully developed brains, keeping them dumb can have unintended (and negative) side effects
23:03.17dinoman9877Well it's not to say there isn't some merit of intelligence
23:03.36dinoman9877There's basic problem solving skills
23:03.41HachimanDumb creatures are bad at improvisation
23:03.52HachimanAnd improvising is a skill that can save your life and other people's
23:04.00dinoman9877Well they aren't insect dumb
23:04.32dinoman9877How do I put it...?
23:04.48dinoman9877They just don't focus on the self
23:04.54dinoman9877They're programmed not to
23:05.08dinoman9877But with that comes a reduction in intelligence to ensure they don't add two and two together
23:05.28HachimanIf they do not have an awareness of the self
23:05.33HachimanThey are amoeba-level intelligent
23:05.40dinoman9877That's not what I mean
23:05.56Monet_3It's speculated the reverse coudl eb better
23:05.59dinoman9877The brain is fickle, nothing is set in stone as far as the way it develops
23:06.18Monet_3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_intelligence
23:06.46dinoman9877Actually ants are a perfect comparison
23:06.47dinoman9877Think about it
23:06.56dinoman9877Ants get orders, but they're still on their own as how to do it
23:07.05Monet_3Actually the brain can be quite predictable
23:07.24dinoman9877And yet many mental diseases have no known causes. lol
23:07.27dinoman9877But back to the point
23:07.36Monet_3That's a little different
23:07.48dinoman9877All the ants know are serve the queen, do it however you can
23:07.59dinoman9877They're mindless in a sense
23:08.05dinoman9877Yet they have their own problem solving skills
23:08.14dinoman9877Water in the way? Build a bridge
23:08.36HachimanI'm sorry to say but, I find things like this quite boring
23:08.43dinoman9877?
23:09.06Hachiman"They're ant-level intelligent" does not make me feel invested or interested in them, plus I've seen it a hundred or so times before
23:09.08Monet_3dinoman9877: There are things deeply embedded into the subconscious
23:09.23dinoman9877I'm trying to put it in words
23:09.28dinoman9877I just don't know how
23:09.47dinoman9877How do I describe a paradox in our world that would work fine in Sci-fi?
23:10.18Monet_3The paradox of an intelligent hive-mind?
23:10.20HachimanFiction :p
23:10.48dinoman9877The paradox of creatures that can solve problems individually while still being too dumb to think of self-preservation
23:11.17Monet_3Could it be they're simply programmed with these ideas?
23:11.36dinoman9877That's exactly what I've been saying
23:11.42Monet_3Like building a bridge could be intuitive.
23:11.49dinoman9877The genes just influence differences in brain development
23:11.51AdmiralPandaok, ants aren't actually mindless
23:11.56Monet_3Its just...something they know
23:12.02AdmiralPandain fact, they're one of the few species known that actually teaches
23:12.02dinoman9877They aren't mindless, no
23:12.14dinoman9877They just consider nothing else but working for the queen
23:12.17dinoman9877That's their drive
23:12.28HachimanAnts teach
23:12.30Hachiman?
23:12.36AdmiralPandayeah, ants teach
23:12.43HachimanHm, that's curious
23:12.45AdmiralPandaweird to think about, but they teach new ants
23:12.49dinoman9877I mean just think about it logically though.
23:12.58HachimanI guess that kind of makes sense
23:13.19dinoman9877What happened when workers in humans got tired of being treated like mere pawns because they were smart enought o know otherwise? They overthrew the monarchs.
23:13.22HachimanI just thought that since ants are biologically divided by caste, they were born knowing what they should do
23:13.47Monet_3dinoman9877: Humans are different, they have a sense of individuality
23:13.53dinoman9877Exactly
23:13.54AdmiralPandaand I don't mean learning by imitation, everyone does that, ants actually get taught
23:14.16HachimanSo
23:14.24HachimanAnts get taught how to ant by other ants
23:14.28AdmiralPandayup
23:14.54AdmiralPandawhich means there is a point in their life where ants literally do not know how to ant
23:14.57dinoman9877I guess my final argument for this if nothing is 'Aliens, sci-fi. I win'. lol
23:15.01Monet_3Humans will rebel because they're built ot think of the self first, while ants (correct me if i'm wrong) are the other way around.
23:15.28AdmiralPandaas far as we know, ants just think about the colony
23:15.35AdmiralPandawell, not thnk
23:15.43dinoman9877Ants don't think of the self. That's why they charge head on towards dangers hundreds of times their size
23:15.53HachimanActually, it makes sense that ants teach; there is a species which steals larvae from other species and raises them as their own
23:16.03AdmiralPandabut ants act as if the colony was an individual organism
23:16.08dinoman9877But the species doesn't know how to worker ant
23:16.13AdmiralPandawhich is different from deference to an authority
23:16.23dinoman9877Admiral, that's just it...
23:16.26dinoman9877The workers treat it like so
23:16.35dinoman9877It's clockwork as far as they know
23:16.42dinoman9877They feed the monarch, monarch lays eggs
23:16.51dinoman9877They don't have any idea how far above them the monarch is
23:17.00dinoman9877What the monarch knows and what its motives are
23:17.04AdmiralPandathe monarch isn't above them
23:17.05dinoman9877They just do what it says to do
23:17.11AdmiralPandafrom the ant's perspective, they're all one individual
23:17.32dinoman9877From the worker's perspective in the genetithieves, that's the same
23:17.42dinoman9877But from the monarch's perspective, they are pawns
23:17.49dinoman9877Expendable and stupid
23:17.57dinoman9877And most certainly below it
23:18.14Monet_3AdmiralPanda: HE mentioned that only 1% of the species are 'sapient'; the queens
23:18.29AdmiralPandathen don't use ants as a comparison, cos that's not how you ant- you do you of course, just making that distinction known
23:18.36Hachiman"Hey, Ant, how you doin" "Oh I'm good Ant. You heard about Ant's work accident?" "I hope Ant's alright, although he has got Ant looking after him"
23:18.37dinoman9877Well I know
23:18.46dinoman9877But ants are the closest comparison
23:18.59AdmiralPandabasically think of it like the Tyranids; one controlling sentience, the rest are basically biological tools
23:19.09dinoman9877Not a 40K player
23:19.19AdmiralPandaI just explained everything you need to know
23:19.21dinoman9877But I remember someone mentioning them long ago
23:19.30dinoman9877Well yeah that's basically how it works
23:19.37HachimanNeeds stupid sexy Genestealer grills
23:19.39AdmiralPandathen that's how it works
23:19.40HachimanIf there is such a thing
23:19.46dinoman9877Only problem is the intelligence brought the Swarmlord's greed so they don't unify.
23:20.06dinoman9877They're all varying degrees of corrupt you could say. lol
23:20.27Monet_3dinoman9877: That could be gene-modded out
23:20.49Monet_3Though I'm a little surprised you're not a 40K man
23:20.54dinoman9877I dunno it seems greed comes with intelligence
23:21.20dinoman9877Well that's a lie, greed seems rooted in all life. lol
23:21.29dinoman9877But intelligent animals take it to new heights.
23:21.31Monet_3dinoman9877: Being greedy with resources can be a good survival strategy.
23:21.39dinoman9877Indeed
23:21.44dinoman9877Why do you think it stayed in?
23:21.54dinoman9877The less greedy swarmlords don't go all out to win
23:21.56Monet_3that's why animals and people do it, yeah
23:22.50OluapPlayerHachiman: u want the genestealer's sticky lamprey tongue-mouth to go inside your throat
23:23.03Hachimani want it around muh dik
23:23.28dinoman9877Since each Swarmlord is intelligent they have their own personalities, and each one varies. The more aggressive ones tend to be better
23:23.28Monet_3Yeah when I saw the genetitheft swarm I thought you were a 40K player
23:23.44*** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (8036b13c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.54.177.60)
23:24.03dino82_hi Tybusen!
23:24.05dinoman9877Eh. I could have considered it. But right now I'm not sure I wanna touch Warhammer after what happened in Fantasy
23:24.12Monet_3Hello
23:24.12dinoman9877And fantasy one out because lizard people
23:24.17dinoman9877You know, until now
23:24.23TybusenHello
23:24.24dinoman9877*won out
23:24.38HachimanAge of Shitmar still has Lizardmen
23:24.44HachimanIn fact, they are even stronger now
23:24.52dinoman9877They went to space. e_e
23:25.06dinoman9877And most of the Slaan died
23:25.07HachimanYou're obviously not up to date with Age of Sigmar
23:25.19HachimanThey are essentially angels at this point
23:25.22dinoman9877I'm not up to date at all
23:25.42dinoman9877The only Warhammer player friends we have (which were going to help me get into it) stopped playing.
23:25.46dinoman9877Because of Age of Sigmar
23:26.20dinoman9877I finished, like, one unit of Lizardmen warriors and my Stegadon, which would have to be repainted
23:26.31dinoman9877But they don't play it so I can't learn properly so why bother now? :/
23:26.43HachimanCould just get into 40k
23:26.44Monet_3Yeah I don't imagine GW would reboot 40K like they did AoS
23:26.54HachimanI don't even play the tabletop anymore and I am still up to date
23:27.13dinoman9877I dunno 40K never appealed to me
23:27.14HachimanAnd yeah, 40k is safe because it sells well
23:27.32Wormy_goodnight
23:27.59dinoman9877It sells well because GW hasn't pulled bullcrap with it yet. xP
23:28.07HachimanOh trust me
23:28.15dinoman9877Well
23:28.17dinoman9877I'd say not as much
23:28.21HachimanGW has pulled more bullshit with 40K than it has with Fantasy Battles
23:28.57HachimanThey got rid of Fantasy Battles because it did not sell well by comparison and was always lagging behind 40K
23:28.58dinoman9877Eh
23:29.15dinoman9877Hence the uproar
23:29.15HachimanAnd hoped AoS would revitalize interest in it
23:29.26AdmiralPandaand because Sigmar makes it easier to get into
23:29.29Monet_3COmes down to business really.
23:29.31HachimanYeah
23:29.35dino82_The Tormentor has arrived:D http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:TertiusTorment14.png
23:29.49dinoman9877Well that's what happens when you try to make two related things coexist
23:29.52dinoman9877Guns sell better
23:29.53OluapPlayerSpooky
23:29.54dinoman9877Sad fact of life
23:30.18HachimanRight you definitely do not know what you're talking about
23:30.18Monet_3I don't think that's the reason
23:30.24dinoman9877Well duh
23:30.26dinoman9877I never played
23:30.31HachimanMost characters in 40K wield MELEE WEAPONS
23:30.53HachimanWell, no, a lot of them do
23:31.03dinoman9877I've seen 40K armies at the friends' house. Guns and robots with guns and tanks and then SOME swords
23:31.10Monet_3Hachiman: WOuld it be fairer ot assume that space sells better?
23:31.21HachimanPossibly
23:31.22dinoman9877Space might be better to have said.
23:31.35HachimanBut anyway, case in point is that there is as many guns as there is melee weaponry in 40K
23:31.53dinoman9877Well the armies I've seen thus far have majored in ranged
23:31.54Monet_3As Stiny Pete poitned out - the Wild West was killed by the Space Race.
23:31.58dinoman9877But that's personal observation
23:32.03Monet_3Stinky*
23:32.15HachimanYou haven't observed enough in that case
23:32.43dinoman9877Sci-fi has always had more leverage on Fantasy since it started out when you think about it though.
23:32.48dinoman9877Sometimes fantasy punches back, hard.
23:33.03dinoman9877But Sci-fi pushes just a tiny bit harder
23:33.17HachimanI personally do not see why people think that one should like either sci-fi or fantasy and not both at the same time
23:33.18HachimanLike, why
23:33.25dinoman9877I like both
23:33.34dinoman9877But in some cases I have preferences over others
23:33.43Monet_3QUite often popular science fiction is fantasy just in space
23:33.57dinoman9877Space Lord of the Rings
23:34.00HachimanYeah it's difficult to find true SCIENCE fiction
23:34.01dinoman9877Lets' do this
23:34.28HachimanI get reminded about Baxter writing a new book
23:34.32dinoman9877Yeah some sci-fi likes to delve into things beyond science a bit. :/
23:34.34HachimanI am excited about it
23:34.46HachimanMore Xeelee yo
23:35.03Monet_3The Master Chief is basically a gun-wielding space knight.
23:35.07dinoman9877That's what I had in mind with my species though. Pure sci-fi. No gimmicks, just creatures surviving however worked best
23:35.45HachimanMonet_3: Let us not forget about all the Biblical references that are strewn throughout Halo's universe
23:35.48dinoman9877No true malice, just the competition of natural selection taken aggressively
23:35.58Monet_3Hachiman: Oh definitely
23:36.56dinoman9877My zeal for pure sci-fi kind of went too far I guess
23:37.07dinoman9877That's why Knight Alien and I stopped working together
23:37.32HachimanI really don't think that the Genetithieves are hard sci-fi
23:37.53dinoman9877Guess not, but there's nothing driven by pure fantasy
23:37.58dinoman9877And especially not theology
23:38.36Monet_3I'm a critic of "in the future there is only atheism"
23:38.44HachimanGod-Emperor when
23:38.44DrodoEmpire^
23:39.14dinoman9877Well I'm an atheist but I just let religion be unless it's taken too far (North Carolina, Tennessee)
23:39.24DrodoEmpireMiddle East <.<
23:39.30dinoman9877True
23:39.40dinoman9877Definitely true there
23:40.17HachimanImplying atheism cannot be taken too far
23:40.18dinoman9877and I kind of try to prevent theology influence my stuff because I kind of would think that physical manifestations of gods or spirits would be seperate from sci-fi...
23:40.20DrodoEmpireI mean, it *does* seem to be the way we're going- The rise in rational, critical thought seems to diminish the presence of religion and increase technological progress (though its far from the only major factor, and is highly dependent on other factors)
23:40.22HachimanBut that's an argument for another day
23:40.25dinoman9877It can
23:40.30DrodoEmpireHachi: never did? o.O
23:40.34Monet_3Eh, its jsut another idea peopel use to kill each other. Like capitalism vs communism
23:40.44DrodoEmpireDon't put words in my mouth, please
23:40.48dinoman9877Atheists can go way overboard
23:40.50HachimanNot you, Drodo
23:40.56dinoman9877But we don't tend to as much
23:40.59HachimanDidn't mean to offend
23:41.02DrodoEmpireGoes for dino as well
23:41.10DrodoEmpireI'm sure he didn't say that
23:41.14dinoman9877I didn't
23:41.22DrodoEmpireAnyway
23:41.34HachimanAlso, I hope you realize that a lot of scientific and technological innovations were made by people of religious persuasion
23:41.34dinoman9877It's just, unless I'm mistaken, I haven't heard of atheist suicide bombers
23:41.40Monet_3dinoman9877: Having a space religion is fine in sci-fi so long as those gods and spirits aren't real.
23:41.42DrodoEmpireHachi: We know
23:41.46DrodoEmpireOr I know
23:42.03DrodoEmpireBut that's despite their religion- not because of it
23:42.05dinoman9877Just because they were religious doesn't mean religion influenced their discoveries
23:42.15HachimanTrue
23:42.18dinoman9877They believed in a god, whoop dee doo
23:42.22DrodoEmpireSo many great breakthroughs were by monks and holy people because they were the only educated people at the time
23:42.26dinoman9877The god didn't tell them the secrets to it. lol
23:42.28AdmiralPandathat was mostly because for the longest time, people of religion were people of learning, because nobody else was allowed to be educated
23:42.48dinoman9877Because educated people would get angry at tilling dirt for meager money
23:43.07dinoman9877Whereas that's all uneducated people know
23:43.11dinoman9877*knew
23:43.12DrodoEmpireBack to my point- Religion/ideology, however, *also* increases its presence in times of hardship- And times of hardship abound in most sci-fi settings
23:43.28AdmiralPandaI just love the fact that part of buddhist philosophy is that science - while limited - is a form of truth and should be respected as such
23:43.47HachimanMonet_3: Countering your point, the Chaos Gods and Eldar pantheon exist
23:43.49DrodoEmpirePlus not all religions are highly-organized/demand a large presence in one's life- Traditional ethnic religions or Buddhism for example
23:44.01dinoman9877But my main point was I just feel physical, real manifestations of gods and spirits don't belong in a sci-fi setting
23:44.03AdmiralPandawhich means that most buddhists believe in such things as evolution :p
23:44.06dinoman9877Religion, certainly
23:44.14Monet_3Hachiman: Yes but 40K ain't hard sci fi
23:44.29dinoman987740K is based in the same universe that had magic frogs.
23:44.30AdmiralPanda40k is wet noodle sci fi :P
23:44.36DrodoEmpire^
23:44.37HachimanAlthough I think that is because they are not actually "gods" and more like products of how mortal thoughts affect the Warp or something
23:44.52HachimanAnyway, I missed that you were referring to hard sci-fi hur
23:44.55AdmiralPandaHachiman: they're space magic, no difference
23:45.05OluapPlayerFOR GORK AND MORK
23:45.13dinoman9877Yeah, no I meant hard sci-fi
23:45.20HachimanBLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
23:45.29dinoman9877Again, religion exists but manifestations of the gods and spirits do not
23:45.39dinoman9877I was going for hard sci-fi, Knight Alien was not
23:45.47dinoman9877That's why our story crumbled to dust
23:46.05DrodoEmpireThat's why fictions need really good coordination >.<
23:46.15dinoman9877Yeeeep
23:46.27dinoman9877I mean I kept anything theological out of the Genetithieves
23:46.41dinoman9877Just an experiment that went through the worse than worse case scenario
23:46.53dinoman9877Or a treatment I should say
23:48.43dinoman9877That conversation died quickly. lol
23:49.01DrodoEmpireNah things like this just happen
23:49.16dinoman9877I've been here for a bit, I've noticed. lol
23:49.20DrodoEmpireThere're occassional pauses
23:49.21DrodoEmpireRight
23:49.53dinoman9877It's a cycle, a conversation starts, ends quickly, a pause, then a new topic starts and the cycle begins anew
23:49.55DrodoEmpireAnyway, regarding essence/"gods" I *did* have a thought of making this one Drodo sword have supernatural power- I dunno, though
23:50.47HachimanWhat kind of power?
23:50.50HachimanWhere would it stem from?
23:51.00DrodoEmpireGood questions- I only had a vague idea
23:51.13AdmiralPandathe magic sword dimension, clearly :P
23:51.17DrodoEmpire^
23:51.20Hachimanhur
23:51.23dinoman9877Have you been hard sci-fi so far?
23:51.27DrodoEmpireBasically its the national sword of the Empire- an ancient and important cultural artifact
23:51.39DrodoEmpireSomewhat, though I've straddled the line
23:51.42DrodoEmpireI don't much care
23:51.52HachimanFictionverse has been very pick-and-mix
23:52.00HachimanFrom space fantasy to hard sci-fi
23:52.04DrodoEmpire^
23:52.22dinoman9877Well that's my main issue. Some people try to have physical gods and spirits, others don't
23:52.26dinoman9877All in the same universe
23:52.46HachimanI don't see an issue
23:52.59DrodoEmpireWell here's the thing dino-
23:53.07HachimanMost physical gods are like, some form of precursor alien anyway ]
23:53.20dinoman9877And spirits of dead aliens?
23:53.28Monet_3A rarity
23:53.36DrodoEmpireThe Fictionverse has reached something of an odd balance where a lot of styles can coexist, and often congregate around some galaxies or others, with some having a bit of many
23:53.38dinoman9877One Knight uses
23:54.10DrodoEmpireIt works, and its a balance, and I feel the fictionverse is deeper for it
23:54.27dinoman9877Mayhaps
23:54.42DrodoEmpireAnyway, the sword
23:54.48dinoman9877But I think he had something about the spirits possessing their armor after death or something like that? :S
23:55.20dinoman9877Anyway, yes, sword
23:55.24HachimanDrodoEmpire: Perhaps this sword could be empowered by the combined belief of the people - they believe it is sacred, thus it has gained some form of mystical power from that combined belief
23:55.46dinoman9877Powered by brainwaves
23:55.48OluapPlayerDATS AN ORKY SWORD
23:55.48dinoman9877Boom
23:55.57DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AImperial_Blade_(Jirhi'kaz) - The actual page for it is here, I left any of its capabilities pretty ambiguous other than its remarkably- unnaturally- well-balanced and easily-used
23:56.07DrodoEmpire*than that its
23:56.14DrodoEmpireHmm... Possibly
23:56.41DrodoEmpireSo a collective belief in its power makes it so
23:56.46HachimanYeah
23:56.51DrodoEmpireInteresting
23:57.45DrodoEmpireAs for actual capabilities- I was thinking over perhaps stories and accounts of the blade cutting clean through armour and rock, etc.
23:57.59DrodoEmpireProtecting its wearer, and whatnot
23:58.02DrodoEmpire*user, anyway
23:58.10HachimanThat makes sense, if it is easily-used, perhaps it also has some sense of direction for itself
23:58.23HachimanAs in, some kind of will of its own that influences its wielder's hand
23:58.29DrodoEmpireHmm, okay
23:59.07dinoman9877Sword is actually a species of animal. Boom. XD
23:59.07HachimanThe wielder believes the sword will protect them and grant them strength, thus it does so
23:59.18DrodoEmpireOkay
23:59.21dinoman9877Being random now, ignore that.
23:59.35DrodoEmpireBut what would the ultimate origin of this faith-based power be?

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