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00:03.50The_RandomnessTechnobliterator: We cleared A5S again, and we got the third tank belt in a row
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00:26.59TechnobliteratorCan't believe I'm doing this
00:27.08Technobliterator~test
00:27.08infobotsomebody said test was not funny
00:27.13TechnobliteratorCool
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08:03.59MedwedianPresideHello?
08:04.29Liquid_InkHello
08:08.14MedwedianPresideWho wants to interact with my empire later?
08:40.00GhelaeMedwedianPreside: It's best for you to ask that when you've got information in all of the important sections of the page (although the page certainly doesn't need to be finished), so that people will know whether it's something they'll be interested in interacting with. Okay, it's an oppressive militaristic dictatorship; what else?
08:41.08GhelaeIt's also best for you to ask when there are more people active here (as long as you're not butting into a conversation). Although there are several people online at the moment, most of them are probably permanently logged in even while they're asleep.
08:42.35GhelaeChances are that Liquid and I are the only people here who are currently active on IRC to answer your question, but neither of us are very active in the fictionverse.
08:47.03MedwedianPresideHow would you rate what I have already added to the page?
08:48.00GhelaeI'm not the best person to ask for subjective opinions, but it all seems fine to me so far.
08:49.53GhelaeIf you're not already planning to, it might be best to move the images in the "first glimpse" section to relevant places in the article once you've written them; or, it's more common to have a gallery at the end than at the beginning of a page.
08:52.21MedwedianPresideIs the scientific language that I used good?
08:55.34Ghelae"Ray weapons" is very non-technical. The bit about prehistoric cultures isn't my expertise but I can't see anything wrong with it; terms like "prae-proto-Medwedian" are rather long but I don't think it's incorrect.
08:56.37GhelaeAlso, commas or spaces rather than stops should be used for large numbers. So "200,000 BE" or "200 000 BE" rather than "200.000 BE".
08:57.11MedwedianPresideI will flesh out technology later
08:57.17MedwedianPresideray weapons...
08:57.25MedwedianPresideWhat would be feasible in hard-sci-fi?
08:57.29MedwedianPresideLasers?
08:57.33MedwedianPresideStrong lasers?
08:57.47MedwedianPresideLasers in various wavelengths?
08:58.01MedwedianPresideI mean infrared, ultraviolet, x-ray, etc...
08:58.09GhelaeLasers can work. Of various wavelengths, yes.
08:58.11MedwedianPresideHow do phasers work by the way?
08:58.15MedwedianPresideAnd is it true
08:58.23MedwedianPresidethat laser rays are actually invisible
08:58.32MedwedianPresidebecause in space there is nothing to reflect the light?
08:59.29GhelaePhasers are entirely fictional. They're supposed to be particle beam weapons of some kind, with unfeasibly convenient properties such as being able to, say, disintegrate people without turning the air in the path of the beam into superheated plasma.
09:00.15GhelaeAnd yes; since you can only see something when light from it enters your eyes, when there's nothing to scatter the light of a laser beam, you can't see it (unless it's pointing straight into your eyes, in which case you may have bigger problems).
09:00.52MedwedianPresideWhy can laser beams then be seen in space?
09:00.58GhelaeThey can't.
09:01.37MedwedianPresideWhy does Rambo Nation and the Grox then all use visible lasers?
09:01.45MedwedianPresideOr do they use some other weapon that is  visible?
09:01.53MedwedianPresideA method of handwaving would be
09:02.10MedwedianPresideeither using the few hydrogen atoms that are scattered in space and saying that they reflect everything
09:02.11GhelaeThey would be particle beam weapons of some kind. Probably a plasma, so the light is emitted when electrons recombine with ions.
09:02.34MedwedianPresideor using "vacuum tachyons" or other fictional particles that fill vacuum
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09:03.11MedwedianPresideAnother question
09:03.13AdmiralPandahi all
09:03.15GhelaeHello
09:03.32MedwedianPresidea teleporter in ST works by disassembling an object into energy and assembling it at another location, right?
09:03.54MedwedianPresideBy "Energy" they probably mean that the atoms will travel quickly to the destination where they will be assembled again.
09:03.58MedwedianPresideIf a person is teleported
09:04.07GhelaeI think that's the only official explanation they've ever given.
09:04.09MedwedianPresidethen the person basically is deconstructed
09:04.22MedwedianPresideand constructed at another location with all memories and the consciousness copied
09:04.26MedwedianPresideI think
09:04.32MedwedianPresidethat the person who is teleported
09:04.33GhelaeBy "energy", I think what it actually means is that the person who came up with the idea didn't know much physics.
09:04.59GhelaeAnd yes, you can say that such teleportation involves destruction and replication.
09:05.08MedwedianPresidedoes actually not experience anything past the teleportation
09:05.10MedwedianPresidebecause he dies
09:05.20MedwedianPresideand the teleported person is a copy
09:05.20GhelaeThe philosophical issues of this have been discussed countless times.
09:05.58MedwedianPresideIt is impossible
09:06.02GhelaeEssentially, the idea that the person must die implicitly assumes consciousness obeys some kind of continuity equation.
09:06.11MedwedianPresidefor an experiment
09:06.14MedwedianPresideto be created
09:06.26MedwedianPresideto prove whether the person who is teleported actually dies
09:06.39GhelaeThat's why it's metaphysics rather than physics.
09:06.45MedwedianPresideThe consciousness is not subject to continuity in that case
09:06.56MedwedianPresideLet's say Person A is to be teleported
09:07.06MedwedianPresidePerson A is the person before he enters the teleporter in the spaceship
09:07.15MedwedianPresidePerson B is the copy of person A who is beamed onto the planet
09:07.23MedwedianPresidePerson A dies, stops existing
09:07.31MedwedianPresidebut Person B is a perfect copy of Person A
09:07.34MedwedianPresidewith all the memories
09:07.42MedwedianPresidewho thinks that he is Person A
09:08.13MedwedianPresideWe should make a "Philosophy of Teleportation" article on this wiki
09:08.18MedwedianPresidewith stances of various empires
09:08.23MedwedianPresidewith various teleportation technologies
09:08.39MedwedianPresideand how they deal with "teleporation death"
09:08.42MedwedianPresidebecause I think
09:08.53AdmiralPandait's really a pragmatist, optimist, pessimist situation, a pragmatist says it doesn't matter, an optimist says they're identical, the pessimist says well yeah the original died
09:08.58GhelaeMaybe we should; it would prevent us from going over this subject on here over and over again. But most teleportation on SporeWiki is actually literal movement through hyperspace rather than disassembly.
09:09.05MedwedianPresidethat as soon as a philosopher proclaims his theory on that
09:09.08GhelaeWhat I mean by consciousness obeying a continuity equation is that consciousness can only move from one place to another by traversing the space and time in between. But there's no reason to believe this is the case: continuity equations are just the consequence of conservation laws, but there's no reason for consciousness to be conserved.
09:09.14MedwedianPresidemost people will refuse to use teleporters
09:09.40MedwedianPresidebecause they will be afraid of being replaced with a copy and will not want to die
09:09.43GhelaeAnd if consciousness doesn't obey a continuity equation, it can teleport: that is, it can cease to exist at one point in spacetime, and then reappear at another point, but still be the same consciousness.
09:09.52AdmiralPandabtw, this is just a personal request, but could you try to use longer sentences rather than breaking one up into three or four segments? it just spams up the chatlog is all
09:10.03MedwedianPresideOkay.
09:10.10MedwedianPresideIt is indeed a very interesting topic.
09:10.24MedwedianPresideWe should create an article in the Fiction Universe concerning that.
09:10.50AdmiralPandathanks, not getting up you, it's just easier to have one post taking up two to three lines than having that one post broken up across five or six, y'know
09:11.33GhelaeIf teleportation by disassembly does exist in the SporeWikiverse, it might be useful to have such a page... I could write an essay in the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS
09:11.39MedwedianPresideConclusion: There are two types of teleportation. The first one is dis- and reassembly, which implies that any living creature which is teleported dies and that the teleported creature is a perfect copy with a different consciousness; variant 2 is hyperspace teleporation which does not induce this effect.
09:11.50GhelaeErm, no.
09:11.58GhelaeI just explained why the teleported creature can have the same consciousness.
09:12.24GhelaeThe consciousness being different requires one to assume consciousness *must* be continuous to be identical.
09:12.30GhelaeBut there's no justification for this assumption.
09:12.31MedwedianPresideAssuming that consciousness is a (meta-)physical construct that is disassembled and copied too.
09:13.00MedwedianPresideDo you mean that when you enter the teleporter and press the big red button you wake up at your target point?
09:13.00GhelaeAgain, an unjustified assumption.
09:13.04GhelaeIntuitive, maybe.
09:13.13AdmiralPandamany religions insist that the "essential self," to butcher a term I stole from philosophy, is separate to the physical self, as a point of note
09:13.32MedwedianPresideBut the soul is disassembled and copied too, in that case.
09:13.34GhelaeBut it's still based on imagining that consciousness behaves like matter. Even if there is some immaterial consciousness-holding "substance", it need not be continuous.
09:14.01GhelaeWe had this discussion with somebody else a few weeks ago...
09:14.27GhelaeIf I could remember when it was I'd just point you to the appropriate IRC log.
09:14.29AdmiralPandayeah, if we seem kinda disinterested it's cos we've had this discussion multiple times before, and for us it's just retreading ground already covered
09:15.30MedwedianPresideI assume that consciousness is directly tied to the brain. The main evidence for the absence of independent souls would be that persons with damaged brains suffer damage of their consciousness (if the part of the brain that is responsible for vision is destroyed, the person is not only blind, but cannot imagine the concept of colors and seeing anymore). High technology may solve this problem for destructive teleportation
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09:16.13MedwedianPresideBut the first experiments in teleportation that a civilization carries out usually result in the destruction and duplication of the respective objects, creatures and consciousnesses.
09:16.23AdmiralPandapeople who were not blind initially can still imagine the concept of colours and seeing, like that's actually biological fact
09:17.01GhelaeEither that's just physicalism, and qualia don't really exist, in which case it's a moot point. Or it's arbitrary: just because consciousnes is attached to the brain when the brain is alived, doesn't mean it's destroyed when the brain is.
09:17.07GhelaeBasically, you're assuming that, when a volume of space goes from holding a consciousness to not, the only options are a) the consciousness is destroyed, or b) the consciousness has flowed out of the volume.
09:17.16AdmiralPanda^
09:17.29AdmiralPandaGhel has it, no need to repeat
09:17.55MedwedianPresideI will be back in 2 minutes. I have to go to my solitary philosophy chamber.
09:19.33MedwedianPresideBack
09:20.40MedwedianPreside@Ghelae - Basically yes - a neural network (the brain) produces a consciousness and is tied to it. Damage to the brain results in damage to the consciousness.
09:21.41MedwedianPresideThere are no possible experiments to prove or disprove the existence of the soul, unless some tier 0 civilization that is bored decides to build a supercomputer that simulates the soul...
09:22.05GhelaeAnd in the case that a soul doesn't exist, it's a moot point as to whether teleporters destroy it.
09:22.31GhelaeBy "soul", I mean anything that possesses qualia.
09:22.39MedwedianPresideConsciousness is not soul.
09:23.03MedwedianPresideConsciousness is self-awareness, I think.
09:23.28GhelaeConsciousness in the neurological sense is the ability of a brain to integrate information from various channels.
09:23.46Ghelae"Consciousness" in the metaphysical sense is the ability to perceive qualia.
09:23.48MedwedianPresideBut I think that consciousness is directly tied to the neural network of the creature; that creatures whose neural networks are too simple do not posess consciousnesses but are merely biological machines.
09:24.31MedwedianPresideAnother theory would be that
09:25.06MedwedianPresideconsciousness as in control that is independent from instincts is non-existent, but that intelligent species have very complex instincts.
09:25.50MedwedianPresideThose instincts go beyond the basics like "IF SEE ANTELOPE then KILL ANTELOPE then EAT ANTELOPE"
09:25.52GhelaeIn this case, consciousness isn't something that can be created or destroyed, because consciousness isn't a "thing"; it's an action. Consciousness is something that brains do.
09:26.11MedwedianPresideYes.
09:26.19GhelaeSo worrying about consciousness being destroyed by teleportation of a brain is like worrying about, say, digestion being destroyed by the teleportation of a stomach.
09:26.39MedwedianPresideBut the action is duplicated with the matter that performs it.
09:26.58MedwedianPresideThe action (consciousness) of the teleport duplicate is not the same as the one of the initial object.
09:27.08MedwedianPresideIt is not continuous.
09:27.49GhelaeBut it's equally as unimportant as the non-continuity of digestion. Or running, or breathing, or any other action you can think of.
09:27.59AdmiralPandaactually, the manner in which the brain works is directly tied to its structure, so if you accurately replicated the brain, it would in fact function the same barring future alteration
09:28.20GhelaeEssentially, yes. This is one reason why it's unimportant.
09:28.27MedwedianPresideIt may be relatively unimportant, but it still means that the person who is teleported knows that his existence will end.
09:28.37GhelaeThat only matters if said person believes in qualia.
09:28.44MedwedianPresideBy "his existence" I mean his actions, his consciousness.
09:28.47GhelaeIt's qualia that are important for this.
09:28.52MedwedianPresideHe will not awaken at the target point.
09:29.05GhelaeHe believes he will if he doesn't believe in qualia.
09:29.47GhelaeSeriously. Read up discussions on this by people who don't believe in qualia. They believe they'll wake up, because physics doesn't care about the difference between their actions now and their action post-teleportation.
09:30.19MedwedianPresideBut two different objects can not perform the same single action?
09:30.24GhelaeSetting the initial conditions for one system as being the end conditions of another system is completely physically indistinguishable from letting the latter system continue to run uninterrupted.
09:30.40MedwedianPresideThe fact that the action is performed by another object is a difference!
09:30.57GhelaeAs far as physics is concerned, no, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
09:31.14GhelaeSo unless you're arguing that consciousness is non-physical (i.e. qualia), it doesn't matter.
09:31.23MedwedianPresideWe should write an article about the different views (of various races?) on this problem.
09:31.33MedwedianPresideImagine that you are duplicated.
09:31.34GhelaeYes, you said that before.
09:31.50MedwedianPresideYour duplicate has the consciousness with the same properties than you
09:31.56MedwedianPresidebut it is not shared between you two.
09:32.17MedwedianPresideImagine you die. Your consciousness is destroyed and does not merge with your duplicate.
09:32.43MedwedianPresideLet's assume that you die and are duplicated somewhere else
09:32.58MedwedianPresideIf the process is not INSTANTEOUS, e.g. takes up absolutely no time,
09:33.11MedwedianPresidebut if there is even a milliardth of a second between the death and the resurrection
09:33.22MedwedianPresidethe consciousness ceases to exist
09:33.42GhelaeYou are correct that death post-duplication does not cause the consciosunesses to merge. That just means it's an irreversable split in consciousness, caused by the fact that information does not transfer from the original body to the second body post-duplication.
09:33.54GhelaeBut when death is pre-duplication, the same argument does not follow.
09:34.14MedwedianPresideAnd destructive teleportation involves atomar disassembly, transport of the atoms (maximal speed is light speed, no infinite speed), and reassembly in another place.
09:34.15GhelaeAnd furthermore, your final comment, "the consciousness ceases to exist". I'll restate a previous comment of mine.
09:34.19MedwedianPresideIt is the same thing
09:34.22Ghelae[10:17] <@Ghelae> Basically, you're assuming that, when a volume of space goes from holding a consciousness to not, the only options are a) the consciousness is destroyed, or b) the consciousness has flowed out of the volume.
09:35.03GhelaeYou're making assumptions and failing to justify them.
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09:35.18MedwedianPresideas if I destroy the computer I am sitting infront and reassemble it in another place.
09:35.51MedwedianPresideThe computer may be identical
09:35.55MedwedianPresidebut never will be the same one
09:36.12MedwedianPresidebecause it went through a state where it could not work
09:36.13MedwedianPresidenow
09:36.15GhelaeThe fact that consciousnesses don't merge when death is post-duplication has a good physical reason behind it. The non-transferral of consciousness when death is pre-duplication is not; you're just presuming the situations are equivalent in that respect.
09:36.19AdmiralPandaand the wheel turneth over again
09:36.23GhelaeAnd now you're making even more contrived analogies.
09:36.53GhelaeWhether it's "the same computer" is certainly a matter of opinion. I would disagree that it's two different computers.
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09:37.13MedwedianPresideIf we will use that on humans now, the human goes through a state in which consciousness cannot exist (disassembly into non-interconnected particles) and as such the consciousness is broken into a pre-teleport part which is destroyed and a copy of that, the post-teleport part.
09:37.57MedwedianPresideAnd there is only a beginning and an end for existences - an object can not exist 2 times.
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09:38.06GhelaeThat axiom is unfounded.
09:39.01GhelaeYou're practically doing circular reasoning: by stating that the property of being a specific object is not transferred after disassembly, you're proving that the property of being a specific person is not transferred after disassembly.
09:39.15GhelaeBut you still aren't justifying the premise.
09:39.31GhelaeIf you want to believe that, fine, but don't claim it's a logical necessity.
09:40.40MedwedianPresideIt is a very interesting topic indeed.
09:41.21MedwedianPresideA good idea for a fiction is that a civilization discovers teleporation and that different philosophies arise which come into conflict with eachother, eventually ending in a war.
09:41.27MedwedianPresideOr in the ban of teleportation.
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09:43.34MedwedianPresideIt would be an Asimov-esque, Lem-esque, Star-Trek-esque scenario of "a civilization subject to a strange ideological war".
09:44.47MedwedianPresideBut we should make an article about the philosophies of destructive teleportation.
09:45.00GhelaeI might be able to do it this weekend.
09:51.24MedwedianPresideBTW, what would probably be the average distance between two stars in the sagittarius arm, "on the outskirts of the Milky Way"?
09:52.26GhelaeProbably a couple of parsecs. Not too much more than in our own region of space.
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09:54.34ALaggyPandainternet derped
10:20.28Liquid_Inkhttp://imgur.com/user/Kubera/favorites/O4VlC
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11:42.29JepardiHi
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12:09.47WormydroidHi
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12:36.00ALaggyPandahi all
12:36.07OluapPlayerHi
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14:09.39ALaggyPandaOluapPlayer: I've reached such a level of non-casul that despite not having played DkS1 for months, I can still take Nito first try while still wearing teh item farming ring :P
14:10.16OluapPlayerBut Nito is the easiest Lord Soul boss tho
14:10.30ALaggyPandaBed's easiest for me
14:11.02ALaggyPandabut anyway, point is not even proper defences and still dunk, while still being rusty
14:11.08OluapPlayerTake a divine weapon to get rid of the skellies and Nito is just a big dumb target
14:11.28ALaggyPandaBed's an obstacle course, your point?
14:11.41ALaggyPandaand tbh all dark souls bosses are easy once you get the method down
14:11.42OluapPlayerBed is badly designed and not fun
14:12.19OluapPlayerAnd that depends. Some bosses still kick my ass no matter how many times I play
14:12.52OluapPlayerRemembering I have to fight the Four Kings again usually makes me not want to replay Dark Souls 1
14:13.39ALaggyPandafor Kings you just summon tier-2 waifu and stack magic resist really, then you just deal with their annoying mechanics
14:14.27OluapPlayerBut Beatrice is poop for 4 Dongs
14:15.26OluapPlayerShe does jack all and inflates their HP even more
14:15.34ALaggyPandathey're basically a burst fight, she contributes extra damage, it balances out (in my experience at least)
14:15.59OluapPlayerYou had a lot of luck then
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14:16.46OluapPlayerI'd summon actual people, but I've never seen a summon sign in New Londo ever
14:16.56ALaggyPandathat or I'm gud, one or the other
14:17.15ImperiosHi
14:17.23OluapPlayerHi
14:17.38ALaggyPandathe amount of times I've done Biggie Smalls though, that fight is just boring to me now
14:19.36Imperioshttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/04/Divinarium_Emblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20160506141617 I made a picture
14:19.38OluapPlayerYou plan on getting DS3 anytime soon?
14:19.46OluapPlayerkeys
14:19.48ALaggyPandayeah, I'll be getting it on PC this week
14:19.58OluapPlayerOh you're getting on PC
14:20.00ImperiosNot sure if I should use it as a symbol or keep the old one
14:20.11OluapPlayerI expected you to get it on console
14:20.17ImperiosThe old one was so laconic I am kind of used to it
14:20.34ALaggyPandathe only console I have is the 360 I'm currently playing on
14:21.09OluapPlayerWe could play together then, and when Hachi gets the game, we turn into a three-man party
14:21.21ALaggyPandaCOSPVP when?
14:21.34OluapPlayerpvp
14:21.35OluapPlayernaw dog
14:21.43ALaggyPandascrew you, we dress up and pvp
14:21.45ALaggyPandait must be so
14:21.52OluapPlayerbut i'm bad at pvp tho
14:22.00ALaggyPandathen I will make u gud
14:22.16OluapPlayerGuess you can farm covenant items off me then cause i'll never win any fight
14:22.36ALaggyPandathree of us camping? nah you won't be dying any time soon
14:22.47ALaggyPandaand if someone wants a fair fight I'll step up and knock em down
14:23.04OluapPlayerOh so you mean ganking
14:23.15ALaggyPandaprettymuch
14:23.28OluapPlayerGanks were the only way I won fights back at Belfry Luna
14:23.30OluapPlayertop scrub
14:23.58ALaggyPandaganking is perfectly legit, if people want a fair fight they should go to fight clubs :P
14:24.49OluapPlayerI suppose
14:25.06ALaggyPandabut yeah the idea is we all dress up according to a theme
14:25.14ALaggyPandaand then we ruin peoples' days
14:25.35OluapPlayerI got a few full armor sets, and if we use passwords, we can summon each other regardless of soul level
14:26.47ALaggyPandadid htey keep soul memory or is matching just based on level and covenant?
14:27.05OluapPlayerSoul memory is gone
14:27.08OluapPlayerIt works like DS1
14:27.18ALaggyPandathank FUCK
14:27.23ALaggyPandafight clubs will once again rule
14:27.25OluapPlayerActually no there's one catch
14:27.37OluapPlayerEquipment level counts for matchmaking too
14:27.45ALaggyPandathat's fine
14:27.48OluapPlayerSo say, you can't invade a newbie with a +10 sword
14:28.18ALaggyPandathat won't impact fight clubs at all so good, htey did something smart for a change
14:28.49OluapPlayerYeah this solves both the soul memory problem and the twink problem
14:29.27ALaggyPandaI wonder what the SL meta is for fight clubs nowadays
14:30.05OluapPlayerAnd the password system makes summoning friends super easy, it disregards soul level entirely and if they're too strong, the game automatically balances their damage so they don't just carry you through the level
14:30.15ALaggyPandaoh that's neat
14:30.48OluapPlayerI don't know the meta but I'd guess it's either 100 or 120 since that's how it was in DS1
14:31.43OluapPlayerAnother change is that armor cannot be upgraded anymore. So Fashion Souls is more or less encouraged
14:33.00ALaggyPandaassuming the diminishing returns cap is the same it'll probably be 125
14:33.19OluapPlayerThis game also has the best gesture in the series
14:33.22OluapPlayerThe Patches Squat
14:33.48ALaggyPandasorry, you spelt "Praise the Sun" wrong
14:34.18OluapPlayerThat one is also in, but Patches Squat is better since you can stay in it indefinitely
14:36.55Imperioshttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/04/Divinarium_Emblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20160506141617 Do you think that looks better?
14:37.47OluapPlayerI don't see any difference
14:42.06Imperiosoh wait wrong picture
14:42.14ImperiosÃèìí Ñàóäîâñêîé Àðàâèè [ïðàâèòü | ïðàâèòü âèêè-òåêñò]
14:42.16Imperioswait wrong
14:42.24Imperioshttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/11/Divinarium_Emblem_Alternate.png/revision/latest?cb=20160506143508
14:42.25Imperiosthere
14:43.00OluapPlayerI personally prefer the first one because of the colours
14:44.52Imperiosso more shiny
14:44.55ImperiosAnd more green
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16:02.15CryptdidicalFirst time on IRC, been on Spore for years and have always been tantalised by Cyrannian to mingle here.
16:02.29CryptdidicalThough I don't know what to do or where to go.
16:02.37CryptdidicalHello anyway :)
16:03.21Technobliteratorhi
16:05.13CryptdidicalAh! Success! Hey there!
16:05.57CryptdidicalHope I'm not intruding on anything here
16:07.40OluapPlayerNothing has been said in an hour, so no
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16:10.34OluapPlayerHello
16:10.41OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: Did you watch the new JonTron?
16:10.52TechnobliteratorNope
16:11.10OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsWlKOwqlD4
16:11.23Monethello
16:12.01TechnobliteratorI'll have a look
16:13.52Technobliterator"yes, it does appear the back of that skateboard says "power""
16:13.53Technobliteratorpffft
16:15.08CryptdidicalFelt his newest was a little hit and miss, but still a good watch
16:16.27Technobliteratorhahaha this is good
16:16.30TechnobliteratorI missed JonTron
16:19.17Technobliteratorhow is Jon so good at finding really cringey an awful films to slag off
16:20.00OluapPlayerI've no idea, I've never seen this film here
16:20.05CryptdidicalProbably gets a lot of suggestions from fans
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16:24.57TechnobliteratorI really do not miss the "cool dood yo" skateboard culture
16:33.23Technobliteratorthat was awesome
16:33.26Technobliteratorthat film
16:33.27Technobliteratorwas so bad
16:37.23OluapPlayerYeah
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17:10.36Wormy_Hi
17:10.57Xhomeow
17:10.58Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/59qT8qG
17:11.13Wormy_https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/727877469584363520
17:13.14Wormy_This comment section http://imgur.com/gallery/5JS7nHf
17:13.39Xho"I specifically requested the opposite of this"
17:16.14OluapPlayerspu
17:16.47Wormy_"No-one knows who named our planet Earth"
17:16.54Wormy_Aliens
17:18.06XhoWormy_: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/earth
17:18.41Wormy_Yeah but who
17:19.45Xhodunno lol
17:21.14XhoHm what to do
17:22.25ImperiosXho: Why do Americans even like rattlesnakes
17:22.27OluapPlayerfinish X
17:22.47XhoBecause
17:22.51XhoThe snakes rattle
17:23.41ImperiosYes but the snake is traditionally meant to be the symbol of evil
17:23.54ImperiosWhy would Americans use the snake as a symbol of their nation
17:24.27OluapPlayerAsk an american
17:24.30XhoSeriously, because it rattles
17:24.47ImperiosDoes baguette count as an American
17:25.22XhoSomewhat tempted to buy ZBrush but I don't know if I could part with the money
17:25.50ImperiosWell one way or another he probably knows
17:25.52ImperiosCharles_Murray
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17:28.05DanzaDelMondoXho: So like it rattles because someone threatens its freedom
17:28.10DanzaDelMondoSo it is like a natural gun
17:28.11XhoFREEDOM
17:28.20DanzaDelMondoI guess that's the symbol
17:28.24DanzaDelMondosymbolism even
17:28.26XhoI dunno why you're asking me about something American
17:28.30XhoI'm British
17:29.08DanzaDelMondoWell you probably know more about American culture than us
17:29.14DanzaDelMondoOh wait I found it
17:29.20DanzaDelMondo"I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that,
17:29.20DanzaDelMondo<PROTECTED>
17:29.20DanzaDelMondohe temper and conduct of America?"
17:29.24DanzaDelMondosnek
17:29.31DanzaDelMondoAlso you linked the picture
17:30.54XhoThat was Wormy
17:33.36DanzaDelMondoMy mistake
17:33.43DanzaDelMondoXho: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/04/Divinarium_Emblem.png/revision/latest?cb=20160506173322 Also take a look
17:33.56Wormy_I find the symbol intriguing
17:34.16Xho>ouroboros
17:34.18DanzaDelMondoThe rattlesnake?
17:34.20XhoSPODE IS XHODOCTO
17:34.21Wormy_yes
17:34.21XhoSPODE IS XHODOCTO
17:34.25DanzaDelMondoYeah
17:34.41DanzaDelMondoXho: It is actually a fairly plausible theory
17:34.43Wormy_I think I'm quite libertarian, though not right-lib
17:34.56XhoKrathazhrukhal - man wait until the isio'nar hear about this
17:34.58Wormy_I'm just more individualist than most lefties
17:35.18DanzaDelMondoAlso it is not just an ouroboros
17:35.30DanzaDelMondoIt is a vine ouroboros
17:35.44DanzaDelMondoTreedocto or something
17:36.39XhoSantorakh - aye
17:36.46XhoWell I just bought ZBrush
17:36.48XhoMy wallet cries
17:38.35OluapPlayerthis kills the $
17:38.47XhoIt killed 800 of them
17:39.07XhoWell that's my last purchase for three months
17:39.32Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/f72dmIN
17:41.07XhoHuh well I bought ZBrush exactly two months after I got the trial
17:41.23Xhogg xho
17:43.19Xho"Winchester Anime & Manga Society"
17:43.22Xhoremove winchester
17:43.36OluapPlayerremove urself
17:44.01OluapPlayerwell done
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17:45.45OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/yfVtMvl.jpg "Listen here u little shit"
17:46.08Xhowow
17:46.20Xho"Winchester University Vegan Society"
17:46.22XhoREMOVE WINCHESTER
17:46.23XhoREMOVE IT
17:51.39Wormy_Fin twiling made me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3awJsmAmw
17:51.50Wormy_Finn
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18:47.48TechnobliteratorXho, you going to Winchester University this year? :o
18:47.55XhoGod no
18:48.19TechnobliteratorAlso, all of my friends who went to Anime societies basically said most of the people there were awkward, and they were put off going back, so :p
18:48.23Technobliteratorah
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18:51.36LueyLuey the Loopy: Hi!
18:53.40OluapPlayerWeird
18:58.35Technobliteratorwat
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19:00.09Monet_2Hello
19:05.35Technobliteratorlolz
19:05.41Technobliteratorthe racists in this country are going to be so upset
19:05.48Technobliteratorthat the mayor of london is a muslim
19:09.05DanzaDelMondoTechnobliterator: We had a Muslim in charge of the entire Russian police force
19:09.11DanzaDelMondogit on our level kaffir
19:10.26DanzaDelMondoI also think our Minister of Defense is Buddhist
19:12.53DanzaDelMondoOr at least was born Buddhist
19:13.07DanzaDelMondoSeriously though I think a Muslim in charge could do wonders
19:13.25TechnobliteratorOf London?
19:13.33DanzaDelMondoYeah
19:13.46TechnobliteratorWell, it'll piss off a lot of Islamophobes
19:13.56DanzaDelMondoI mean he knows what are British Muslims like and he knows what could be done to alleviate the conflicts between them and British Christians
19:14.07DanzaDelMondo*British Muslims are like
19:14.44Technobliteratormhm
19:15.39Monet_2I'm not sure if a muslim in power is new
19:15.48DanzaDelMondoHe'll save us from Muslamic ray guns by raygunning them personally
19:16.23DanzaDelMondoMonet_2 Hachiman Wormy_: http://cs543105.vk.me/v543105346/15b97/DDAB3elgHiE.jpg
19:16.25TechnobliteratorIn power, it's not new. In charge of a major Western city, it is
19:16.45Monet_2What about city councils?
19:16.51DanzaDelMondoWell there's Obama
19:17.02DanzaDelMondoI mean his father was born Muslim even though he converted
19:17.35Monet_2Yeah but Obama couldn't ahve ogtten into the White House if he were mMslim.
19:17.57DanzaDelMondoTrue that
19:18.13TechnobliteratorOf course, that doesn't stop people from speculating that he is Muslim
19:20.53DanzaDelMondoWell even though he is not actually Muslim, having Muslim parentage would make him more understanding of their actions
19:21.09DanzaDelMondo...Except he still bombs the shit out of Middle Easterners
19:24.21TechnobliteratorDanzaDelMondo, when are you going to finish Reckoning section :o
19:24.30DanzaDelMondoI can right now actually
19:24.33Technobliteratorsweet
19:24.42TechnobliteratorCan you have Zalk'don be defeated there?
19:25.11DanzaDelMondoSure thing
19:25.15Technobliterator^.^
19:25.19DanzaDelMondo~hit Monet_2
19:25.19infobotACTION punches Monet_2.
19:25.23DanzaDelMondoTHERE IS WORK TO BE DONE
19:25.58TechnobliteratorDo you need the Titanpad link?
19:26.21DanzaDelMondoI don't
19:26.23DanzaDelMondoMonet probably does
19:47.30XhoSo I was making a Septentrion bust in ZBrush
19:47.36XhoIt now looks like a White Walker
19:47.43XhoThey're essentially the same thing but still
19:50.08DanzaDelMondoJON SNOW LIVES
19:50.16DanzaDelMondoI have no idea who Jon Snow is
19:50.20DanzaDelMondoI just know he lives apparently
19:51.36Monet_2Thanks for sploiling (j/k)
19:54.37HachimanGood job Imp
19:54.43Xhohttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c3/SeptentrionBust.png/revision/latest?cb=20160506195249 See there we g
19:54.44Xhogo
19:54.47DanzaDelMondoI have no idea if this is actually true
19:54.53DanzaDelMondoIs that true?
19:55.08DanzaDelMondoWait do not tell me
19:55.09DanzaDelMondoI do not know
19:56.11Monet_2Actually I saw a hint that if he's dead, he's dead.
19:56.19Monet_2No reincarnation in Westeros
19:56.35Monet_2ressurection, sorry
19:56.38XhoPeople have been raised from the dead before in the series
19:56.39Monet_2Xho: Loving the patterns on his skin
19:56.56Monet_2Xho: As zombies or full-on back ot life?
19:57.01XhoFull on
19:57.08XhoThere's a character called Beric Dondarrion
19:57.12XhoHe's been resurrected six times
19:57.36XhoAlthough he's only in one episode
19:57.46XhoIn the books he's a husk of a human being by the sixth resurrection
19:58.36DanzaDelMondoand in the movie
19:58.40DanzaDelMondoin the series I mean
19:58.49XhoWell he only appears in one episode
19:59.06XhoHe gets mutilated by The Hound but gets resurrected a minute afterwards
19:59.17XhoBut they mention it was the sixth time he was resurrected
19:59.47XhoBut yeah, Septentrions are giant White Walkers
20:00.04XhoAlthough much less on the agenda of destroying the world in an endless blizarrd
20:00.06Xhoblizzard even
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20:06.48Lukosaum hello. I am new to the wiki and i would like to ask some things. I am still developing my creatures and their world but i am almost done so it wont be long.  When you upload your creature on he wiki it is throught the game or by taking a photo of the creature? sorry if it sounds stupid but i am totally new
20:07.02DanzaDelMondoThe latter
20:07.11DanzaDelMondohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Upload There
20:07.16Monet_2Pictures, usually
20:07.58LukosaThank you :) and by the way. To join the universe i must first create my wiki page with the creatures etc right?
20:08.42DanzaDelMondoYep
20:08.52DanzaDelMondoTry working with younger users first
20:09.02DanzaDelMondoThere was another new guy here
20:09.08DanzaDelMondoI think his name was Treebeard or so
20:10.18Lukosayou mean to work together for creating a plot?
20:13.08DanzaDelMondoWell, it is not a must, but it is the most common way to write fiction
20:13.13DanzaDelMondoUnless you're Xho
20:13.26Xhoeh whuh
20:13.40DanzaDelMondoYou have a lot of individual fiction
20:13.49XhoSuppose so
20:14.47Lukosai am writting my nation history wich the way i have it in my mind is pretty big. So when i will finish it i will start with that hahaha
20:19.02ALaggyPandaif I may make a recommendation, start with only the information needed for others to interact with them- that's the stuff that really matters on the page, the rest you can fill in as you go, and you can get working with others sooner
20:20.08Lukosaok Thank you
20:25.47XhoHeck I've had this computer for about two years now
20:30.14Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13131691_1199962773360931_3119747726036425379_o.jpg
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20:40.14ZF101Hello all.
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20:47.54DrodoEmpireHi everyone
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20:51.37Quark8Hello.
20:54.12DrodoEmpireHi
20:56.16DanzaDelMondoTechnobliterator: do stoof plz
20:56.43TechnobliteratorNot sure where you want Zalk to be confused
20:57.12DanzaDelMondoWhere they charge their weaponry and the like
20:57.20DanzaDelMondoZalk'don should be like "wtf they doing"
21:02.06TechnobliteratorOkay, there we go :o
21:05.16DanzaDelMondoMonet_2: http://cs604520.vk.me/v604520743/97a2/cupIcyNNL8I.jpg
21:13.03Monet_2THat's....
21:13.06Monet_2Wow
21:22.04DanzaDelMondoFrostcutlass
21:22.13DanzaDelMondoTechnobliterator
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21:48.55DanzaDelMondoTechnobliterator: Almost done but I think a little thing can be added
21:49.58TechnobliteratorOh?
21:50.46DanzaDelMondoI dscribed in in the Titanpad chat
21:53.22DanzaDelMondoMonet_2: http://wowlol.ru/img4/694b863d189240fef28b8a910214c8bc.jpg I think I showed this before but still
21:58.51DanzaDelMondoXho Hachiman Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#The_Battle_for_Q.27lnas Finally finished dis
21:58.55DanzaDelMondoMonet_2 too
21:59.11Technobliterator^.^
21:59.43XhoI'll read it tomorrow
22:00.30DanzaDelMondoThis is that one time where Venoriel is actually humiliated
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22:01.34CyrannianHello everyone
22:02.54Monet_2Hello
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22:10.44Technobliteratorhi crannies
22:10.47Technobliteratoruh
22:10.53The_RandomnesscmonBruh
22:11.02TechnobliteratorWhy did my phone autocorrect that from Cyrannian
22:11.05Technobliterator._.
22:11.08Technobliteratorhi random
22:11.23DanzaDelMondoCranny
22:12.04The_RandomnessShe called us cranberries :(
22:12.12CyrannianThat was hurtful
22:12.21The_RandomnessI'm offended
22:13.01CyrannianJust because I'm a cransvestite doesn't mean you should treat me any differently
22:14.00DanzaDelMondoBut cranberries are tasty
22:14.06DanzaDelMondoYou can make a mors out of them
22:14.20DanzaDelMondoOr a kissel
22:14.36DanzaDelMondoOr a kompot
22:15.01DanzaDelMondoOr even a kvass apparently
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22:34.50DrodoEmpireHi!
22:35.08LukosaHello. How can i put a table o contents in my wiki page?
22:35.55DrodoEmpireHow do you mean?
22:36.22DrodoEmpireYou mean that collapsible box that details the different sections?
22:36.29DrodoEmpireI believe those generate automatically
22:36.31Lukosayes that :P
22:36.52Lukosauh.. really -.- should have known :P
22:37.09DrodoEmpireYes, really. :p
22:37.13DrodoEmpireAnyway, its alright
22:37.28DrodoEmpireUnless you're a fan of *really* big sections it should be fine
22:37.41DrodoEmpireIf a section does get unwieldy consider a subpage
22:38.46Lukosawell some sections will propably need the subsections
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22:57.11Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War#Crises_and_Escalation_.2808_NE_-_11_NE.29 - Updated
23:29.37The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: Three days until Stellaris, you hyped?
23:29.49DrodoEmpireYep
23:29.51DrodoEmpire:D
23:30.02The_RandomnessGot finals the next three days after that though :c
23:30.10The_RandomnessBut I should be able to play it a little
23:32.50The_RandomnessOnce finals are over, however, we'll need to start up a SW Stellaris game or something

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