| 00:28.21 | The_Randomness | Well, that astrophysics paper (first draft) got done (well, mostly, just need to write the conclusion) way faster than I expected |
| 00:29.30 | DrodoEmpire | That's good |
| 00:30.17 | The_Randomness | It's on the reionization of the universe, which is a pretty interesting topic, but there's just so much stuff to it that I feel like any sort of summary of it is inadequate |
| 00:30.33 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
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| 00:54.03 | dino82_ | hi |
| 00:56.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hi! |
| 00:59.04 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
| 00:59.13 | DrodoEmpire | I'm well |
| 00:59.16 | The_Randomness | I'm doing well, currently finishing up the first draft of a paper |
| 00:59.17 | DrodoEmpire | You? :D |
| 01:01.23 | DrodoEmpire | The_Randomness: Its sorta funny- I finished a rough draft of a history paper recently- Its an analysis of Central American warfare/military history |
| 01:01.33 | The_Randomness | Oh, that sounds pretty interesting |
| 01:01.48 | DrodoEmpire | Quite a fun topic to research, though sources were somewhat scarce |
| 01:02.06 | DrodoEmpire | Which is unfortunate as the native Central Americans have a rich military tradition |
| 01:02.59 | DrodoEmpire | And- Had they discarded their fixation with rituals- could've beaten Cortes through sheer numbers and ferocity |
| 01:03.07 | DrodoEmpire | (As a side note :p) |
| 01:03.23 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:03.42 | The_Randomness | Well, it can't be any harder than this one time I chose to write a 10-page paper on the social significance of hats |
| 01:03.59 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, dear... >.< |
| 01:04.27 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds like a pretty dry subject for the most part |
| 01:04.30 | The_Randomness | :p |
| 01:04.48 | DrodoEmpire | That's coming from me, who *loves* old military uniforms. >.< |
| 01:04.51 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 01:11.57 | dino82_ | @Drodo/Random: Great to hear! |
| 01:12.03 | dino82_ | I am doing great as well, thanks :D |
| 01:12.09 | dino82_ | @Random: What kind of draft are you making? |
| 01:12.26 | dino82_ | a a paper, sorry must read further on first :D |
| 01:13.14 | The_Randomness | It's about the reionization of the universe, in particular, looking at the cosmic microwave background and quasars |
| 01:13.16 | dino82_ | Though the Central Americans had an interessting warfare with rituals, uniforms, weapons prayers etc |
| 01:13.35 | dino82_ | @Random: Now that sounds complicated :P Is it interessting to do research on? |
| 01:14.11 | DrodoEmpire | dino82_: Indeed, though like I said their fixation with taking captives resulted in a *lot* of narrow escapes by Spaniards who would've otherwise been mobbed and killed. |
| 01:14.28 | The_Randomness | Eh, it's mostly a summary. The sort of analysis that goes into this is above my level |
| 01:15.32 | dino82_ | @Drodo: True, and their lack of gun powder weapons probably didn't help their cause either. The Spanish were quite brutal and thorough in their campaign against them |
| 01:15.37 | dino82_ | @Random: :D |
| 01:16.00 | DrodoEmpire | Plus the Spanish advantage with steel swords against heavy wooden sword-clubs meant they could cut through even the most elite Aztec warriors like using godmode on your shooter of choice |
| 01:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | Nah the harquebus and crossbows were actually pretty useless |
| 01:16.54 | DrodoEmpire | Aztecs just ducked under them, their power was wasted on the lightly-armoured warriors, and they rapidly deteriorated in the climate |
| 01:17.33 | DrodoEmpire | Also while the colonial administration was pretty repressive, there're mixed reports on the behavior of the Conquistadors themselves |
| 01:17.56 | DrodoEmpire | Many are given to believe they were actually pretty fair and honourable- They made plenty of native allies for sure |
| 01:18.31 | DrodoEmpire | The several-hundred or so Spaniards that took over the Aztec Empire anyway |
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| 01:21.52 | dino82_ | hi Monet |
| 01:29.40 | Wormy_ | bye |
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| 11:02.50 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 11:12.39 | Imperios | Ohgod that Nazi guy |
| 11:12.45 | Imperios | "I think that the Semitic people (Jews and Arabs) are the eternal enemy of my race and they deserve to suffer. Arabs in particular deserve to suffer for the pain and misery they have caused my race which includes but is not limited to:" |
| 11:12.51 | Imperios | "The kidnapping of young European women from the Balkans to keep as brides and the kidnapping of young European boys to castrate and turn into Janissaries" |
| 11:12.57 | Imperios | "Semitic people (Jews and Arabs)" |
| 11:13.03 | Imperios | "The kidnapping of young European women from the Balkans to keep as brides and the kidnapping of young European boys to castrate and turn into Janissaries" |
| 11:13.13 | Imperios | >Arabs |
| 11:13.15 | Imperios | >Janissaries |
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| 11:20.15 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 11:35.59 | HachiCollege | Hi |
| 11:36.15 | HachiCollege | Got the rest of the afternoon to myself for a few hours |
| 11:36.37 | AdmiralPanda | and then more college stuff I take it? |
| 11:38.31 | HachiCollege | College stuff is just dum writing anyway] |
| 11:38.41 | AdmiralPanda | heh |
| 11:39.16 | AdmiralPanda | so my friend and I hate each other; we challenged each other to a DkS1 playthrough, and every time we die we have to do 5 push-ups |
| 11:39.32 | HachiCollege | I'd have made it a drinking game personally |
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| 12:18.26 | HachiCollege | Hi |
| 12:19.54 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:20.27 | Imperios | HI |
| 12:25.14 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/zZUnJ5W |
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| 12:43.27 | ImpyDroid2 | Wormy_: Remind me, which ape species resolves problems with sex? |
| 12:45.38 | Wormy_ | I have no idea |
| 12:45.54 | HachiCollege | Bonobos |
| 12:45.58 | ImpyDroid2 | Thanks |
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| 13:23.58 | ImpyDroid2 | ALaggyPanda: I wonder what 40k army resembles the US military the most in terms of strategy and modus operandi |
| 13:24.05 | ALaggyPanda | Imperial Guard |
| 13:24.25 | ImpyDroid2 | But wouldn't that be Russia |
| 13:24.52 | ALaggyPanda | Scions are definitely America, mechGuard are america, artyGuard are America |
| 13:25.08 | ImpyDroid2 | Oh in that case it makes sense |
| 13:26.06 | ALaggyPanda | "default" guard is a mix of WW2 Germany and Russia with a bit of modern day america, basically the more you mechanise the closer you get to America |
| 13:26.45 | ALaggyPanda | and all with a british accent for that lovely bit of posh |
| 13:29.56 | ALaggyPanda | speaking of british, Tracer is so bloody british it's painful |
| 13:48.37 | ImpyDroid2 | Do not remind me of her |
| 13:48.49 | ImpyDroid2 | Or rather do not remind me of the awful debates about her ass |
| 13:49.02 | ImpyDroid2 | The case when both sides were stupid |
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| 13:53.30 | ALaggyPanda | I don't care about her arse, just her voice |
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| 14:42.44 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:42.48 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 14:49.15 | TekDroid | YouTubers have started their Stellaris prerelease Let's Plays. Getting so hyped for that game. |
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| 15:00.03 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:03.05 | ALaggyPanda | hi ghel |
| 15:03.25 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 15:10.08 | ImpyDroid | iH |
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| 15:55.39 | Imperios | Hi |
| 15:55.46 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0hFIf4Zaw |
| 15:55.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:58.03 | Imperios | Wormy_away too |
| 16:00.01 | Wormy_away | I don't like the Syrian government but at least what remains of Palmyra is safer |
| 16:01.31 | Wormy_away | Hopefully there is enough photographic data of destreoyed artifacts to be turned into 3D datapoints before being modelled and put in a 3D printing process |
| 16:02.30 | Wormy_away | *useful photographic data |
| 16:05.39 | Imperios | They are going to rebuild the city I believe |
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| 16:08.36 | MedwedianPreside | Does anybody want to review what I have already written on the history of the Medwedian Democratic Federation? |
| 16:08.46 | Imperios | But damn |
| 16:09.00 | Imperios | The idea of an orchestra in a city liberated from ISIS |
| 16:09.04 | Imperios | That is beautiful |
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| 16:34.28 | TekDroid | Hello Charles_Murray |
| 16:34.36 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 16:39.50 | Charles_Murray | TekDroid I have a question |
| 16:40.08 | TekDroid | Yeah? |
| 16:40.45 | Charles_Murray | Have you noticed that when you play a Paradox game, there's a distinct lack of... How should I put it? |
| 16:41.54 | Charles_Murray | That's there's a distinctive lack of purpose, or of meaning, of destiny, that you usually find in narratives about wars or national trajectories |
| 16:42.31 | TekDroid | Perhaps. |
| 16:42.49 | Charles_Murray | I.e., WWII is often rendered as emotionally significant because it was a triumph of good over evil, and national narratives are often infused with a sense that the nation is special for one reason or another |
| 16:43.46 | Charles_Murray | When you play a Paradox game, you're paying attention to the mechanics, to the fact that your power is finite and cannot be taken for granted; If outmaneuvered, it doesn't matter what your narrative is, you're going down based on questions of relative power |
| 16:44.15 | Charles_Murray | Does that make sense? |
| 16:45.11 | Charles_Murray | TekDroid |
| 16:47.52 | TekDroid | It makes sense. Though also few wars in Paradox games tend to be that same scope of national struggle and the fight for the fate of the world. |
| 16:48.30 | Charles_Murray | Eh, you can easily get there in Vicky II |
| 16:50.01 | MedwedianPreside | Does anybody want to interact with my empire when it's finished? |
| 16:50.06 | Charles_Murray | And I've been in a number of wars in Paradox games where the very fate of that playthrough was in the balance |
| 16:50.10 | Charles_Murray | *raises hand* |
| 16:51.02 | MedwedianPreside | Yes? |
| 16:51.17 | Charles_Murray | (Indicating my interest) |
| 16:51.19 | MedwedianPreside | Do you want to look at the prehistory of my empire that I have finished now? |
| 16:51.27 | MedwedianPreside | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Medwedian_Democratic_Federation |
| 16:52.18 | MedwedianPreside | The whole thing is far from finished as of now |
| 16:55.35 | Charles_Murray | My update to the French Empire isn't quite finished either: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire |
| 16:55.49 | Charles_Murray | But let me know if you have any ideas! |
| 16:57.54 | TekDroid | The level of meaning also has a dependence of immersion by the player. When you focus on the mechanics it limits your ability to assign anything beyond the superficial meaning of territorial changes and shifts in the balance of power. Without at least some level of emotional investment there just isn't much you can assign in terms of emotional value. |
| 16:58.15 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 16:58.52 | Charles_Murray | When I play, I find joy in the mechanics and the maneuvering, in controlling the stage, so to speak |
| 16:59.27 | Charles_Murray | I focus on mechanics. In MP, if you do otherwise, it's very likely that other players are going to get the best of you |
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| 17:16.26 | TekDroid | Charles_Murray: yeah. While Paradox games are certainly immersive, especially in multiplayer it's just a game. |
| 17:17.29 | TekDroid | *more immersive |
| 17:20.01 | TekDroid | Charles_Murray: oh, and have you watched any of the flood of new Stellaris videos for this week? We had the big MP event and then the NDA was lifted last night. |
| 18:02.06 | Hachiman | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11017532_1246575378705246_8030410078423134919_n.png?oh=60666bb8acecd69bb0802f823be42681&oe=57A179D6 |
| 18:04.10 | ALaggyPanda | [english] |
| 18:15.48 | Imperios | Hachiman: Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo |
| 18:35.31 | Hachiman | I personally think that's bullshit |
| 18:42.30 | Imperios | Could be a joke on the teacher's part |
| 18:42.43 | Imperios | One can make an entire sentence out of one word in English |
| 18:50.13 | ALaggyPanda | Yes |
| 18:50.15 | ALaggyPanda | done :P |
| 19:00.01 | Imperios | ...Dammit hur |
| 19:00.42 | Imperios | As in one word repeated over and over again, or rather several homonyms, without lacunae and dropped words, and with several clauses |
| 19:33.56 | Ghelae | Although I've never known of the verb "to buffalo" outside of the context of that sentence. It's probably a regional thing. |
| 19:40.11 | Imperios | Hmmm |
| 19:40.33 | Imperios | Is it okay if I write a section about Tertanai sexuality? |
| 19:40.38 | Imperios | I got a lot of interesting ideas |
| 19:40.51 | Imperios | It will be mostly about the nature of their relationships rather than actual sex ofc |
| 19:45.11 | Monet | Should be fine |
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| 19:46.15 | OluapPlayer | No one cares for what you write as long as it doesn't involve actual pingas-in-vagoo content |
| 19:46.41 | Ghelae | Hi Drodo. |
| 19:46.53 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 19:47.14 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 19:47.26 | DrodoEmpire | No pingas-in-vagoo >>: |
| 19:47.40 | Hachiman | big benis :DDDD |
| 19:47.55 | OluapPlayer | fuck offfff spurdo |
| 19:48.45 | Hachiman | XDDD |
| 19:48.47 | ALaggyPanda | I love how you lot dance around the precise words :P |
| 19:49.04 | Hachiman | Penis |
| 19:49.10 | Hachiman | and also dicke and balls# |
| 19:57.51 | Imperios | Tertanai do not even have penises |
| 19:59.57 | OluapPlayer | Kez's butt is in slightly less danger then |
| 20:03.07 | Imperios | They are monotremates so like |
| 20:13.43 | Imperios | What is the more common term in English: sexuality, sexual preference, or sexual orientation? |
| 20:14.21 | DrodoEmpire | Any of the three |
| 20:14.27 | DrodoEmpire | Its entirely personal preference |
| 20:14.41 | DrodoEmpire | Though sexuality *miight* be considered slightly more formal |
| 20:14.43 | Ghelae | Or personal orientation, or personality. |
| 20:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | Oh you |
| 20:15.13 | DrodoEmpire | :3 |
| 20:15.19 | Ghelae | :D |
| 20:16.10 | Ghelae | I would think sexual orientation is more formal while sexuality is more common, but even if I'm right about that, there's not much difference either way. |
| 20:16.26 | Hachiman | [triggered] |
| 20:16.32 | Hachiman | HOW DARE YOU CALL SEXUALITY A PREFERENCE |
| 20:17.07 | DrodoEmpire | DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:< |
| 20:18.16 | Imperios | I'll use sexual orientation |
| 20:18.26 | Imperios | It will work best in the context |
| 20:18.43 | Imperios | Also this is the most common term in Russian so I'll just use it out of habit |
| 20:18.58 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Tertanai#Society There you go |
| 20:19.00 | Imperios | PLATYPUS SEX |
| 20:20.51 | ALaggyPanda | meanwhile Fordanta are like "it's just sex... what's the big deal?" |
| 20:21.52 | Imperios | Tertanai are kind of like that exactly hur |
| 20:22.05 | Imperios | Well, it is important, but used in spades |
| 20:22.45 | ALaggyPanda | Fordanta actually just don't place much importance on it beyond the practical |
| 20:22.54 | ALaggyPanda | like, it's good stress relief and it's how you make babies, that's it |
| 20:23.11 | OluapPlayer | Bonobo centaur birds |
| 20:23.17 | OluapPlayer | we needed this |
| 20:23.28 | ALaggyPanda | centaur birds...? |
| 20:23.49 | ALaggyPanda | oh right, I see |
| 20:23.50 | OluapPlayer | You know |
| 20:23.54 | ALaggyPanda | thought you were talking about the Fordanta |
| 20:23.55 | OluapPlayer | The creature Imp literally just linked |
| 20:24.23 | ALaggyPanda | I genuinely didn't know what they looked like until I looked at the picture just then |
| 20:24.51 | Imperios | Dammit Panda, these guys were literally my first creatures ever |
| 20:25.10 | OluapPlayer | back then, they were not prepared |
| 20:25.12 | ALaggyPanda | I just hang around here to talk to you people, I haven't given a shit about the fiction in, what, nearly a year now? |
| 20:25.54 | Imperios | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b7/Tertanai_M%26F.png/revision/latest?cb=20160505171157 Also made a pic to go along with the section |
| 20:26.53 | Hachiman | That male looks baked |
| 20:27.12 | OluapPlayer | "gonna tap dis in a sec" |
| 20:28.15 | Imperios | Monet: Take a look, you might be interested |
| 20:28.44 | Monet | I've had a busy day, amybe. |
| 20:41.55 | Imperios | it took quite a while for diplomats from the Brood of War to understand why the NTA's dignitaries were so frustrated and distressed during meetings, and for the dignitaries themselves to realise that the Zazane messengers' refusal to nuzzle sensually with them was not a sign of hostility. |
| 20:43.14 | OluapPlayer | Awful lack of Xho today |
| 20:47.23 | Monet | Imperios: Diplomacy 101: One man's chivalry is another man's insult. |
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| 20:50.20 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:54.57 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:56.20 | The_Randomness | tfw Stellaris comes out on the week just before finals |
| 20:57.45 | OluapPlayer | Imperios Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERJhTprNpw |
| 20:59.01 | Hachiman | Ooh Thorpe is involved |
| 21:00.16 | Hachiman | I gotta say |
| 21:00.27 | Hachiman | Restricting it to just Genestealers sounds like it will get kinda boring quickly |
| 21:00.37 | Hachiman | Should have included other Tyranids |
| 21:08.20 | Imperios | Orks |
| 21:08.23 | Imperios | Needs more orks |
| 21:08.46 | OluapPlayer | WAAAAAGH |
| 21:12.13 | OluapPlayer | Wow this video has been around for a week |
| 21:12.20 | OluapPlayer | Somehow I missed it completely |
| 21:29.19 | Technobliterator | They're making another WH40K FPS? |
| 21:29.41 | Hachiman | Yeah? |
| 21:30.10 | Technobliterator | Huh |
| 21:30.23 | ALaggyPanda | Hachiman: could be other stuff, I mean genestealers are all that's been released but it's a space hulk; could have all number of things |
| 21:30.27 | ALaggyPanda | including, well, everything |
| 21:30.49 | OluapPlayer | Another |
| 21:30.56 | OluapPlayer | This is the first i've ever seen |
| 21:31.05 | Technobliterator | There's a Tau one that was on PS2 |
| 21:31.11 | OluapPlayer | And Deathwing has been announced a year ago |
| 21:31.24 | ALaggyPanda | the tau one is HISSS |
| 21:31.31 | Technobliterator | I also heard about some MMO FPS for WH40K |
| 21:31.57 | ALaggyPanda | Eternal War I'm on the fence about, what I've heard from the devstates looks good, it's just a matter of how they handle scale, progression and monetisation |
| 21:32.43 | OluapPlayer | I don't know about it since WH40K MMOs tend to die before release |
| 21:33.08 | Hachiman | I wanna be a weaboo Eldar |
| 21:33.38 | Technobliterator | It's an MMO FPS and not an MMO RPG, so it cna't do too badly |
| 21:33.46 | Technobliterator | Also, they're advertising/hyping up DoW III a lot |
| 21:33.48 | OluapPlayer | eldur suk |
| 21:33.53 | Technobliterator | makes me suspect its release date is close |
| 21:34.04 | OluapPlayer | It's only coming out next eyar |
| 21:34.05 | OluapPlayer | year |
| 21:34.26 | Technobliterator | This is good |
| 21:34.28 | Hachiman | Where did you read that? |
| 21:34.37 | Imperios | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNLMW-B7fus 40k MMO |
| 21:35.13 | Technobliterator | pfffft |
| 21:35.54 | OluapPlayer | Hm, could swear I saw it on that PCGamer article |
| 21:35.55 | OluapPlayer | But it's not there |
| 21:36.04 | OluapPlayer | Regardless if that's the case then it has no confirmed release date at all |
| 21:36.11 | Technobliterator | Maybe it's coming out sooner \o/ |
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| 21:36.28 | Monet | We'll know in July. |
| 21:36.40 | Technobliterator | I think it's close or they wouldn't waste so much on advertising it |
| 21:36.42 | Monet | It'll probably be at E3 of it's coming soon. |
| 21:36.53 | Monet | if* |
| 21:36.53 | Hachiman | I doubt that |
| 21:36.57 | Technobliterator | I'm so hyped for E3 this year |
| 21:37.06 | Technobliterator | gaming has gotten good lately |
| 21:37.12 | Hachiman | DoW has a niche audience |
| 21:37.29 | Hachiman | That is, a small part of the Warhammer 40,000 community, which in turn is niche |
| 21:37.49 | Technobliterator | Pretty sure lots of people who play DoW don't actually play the tabletop game |
| 21:38.13 | Hachiman | But a fair few people who do play the tabletop also do not play DoW |
| 21:38.31 | Hachiman | Because it is not really an accurate representation of how the tabletop game goes down at all |
| 21:38.38 | Monet | Warhammer's still massive though. |
| 21:39.06 | Monet | And Relic/Sega say they're going for a high accessability. |
| 21:39.27 | Hachiman | I'm expecting DoW III to be easier to play than the previous games |
| 21:40.40 | Hachiman | I am actually worried by the prospect of DoW being tailored to be less tactical |
| 21:40.56 | Technobliterator | If the audience is as niche as you say, and its release date is not soon, why are they spending so much on advertising it everywhere on the web ._. |
| 21:41.08 | OluapPlayer | We don't know how it plays yet |
| 21:41.11 | Monet | Techno's got a point |
| 21:41.14 | OluapPlayer | You can't say it's less tactical than any game |
| 21:41.20 | Imperios | Tactical as in |
| 21:41.32 | Imperios | Tactical as in focusing more on tactics as opposed to strategy? |
| 21:41.40 | Monet | If they're doing this much advertising, why would they leave it out of E3? |
| 21:41.58 | Hachiman | Imperios: Tell me the difference because I thought those words were synonymous |
| 21:42.35 | Imperios | Tactics is smaller in scope usually |
| 21:42.39 | Imperios | Strategy is more global |
| 21:42.46 | Hachiman | Right] |
| 21:43.15 | Imperios | Strategy is overall planning, tactics is its actual execution |
| 21:43.49 | Technobliterator | Uh, no. More likely it'll just be an easier game to play. |
| 21:44.34 | OluapPlayer | I don't care as long as it's still fun |
| 21:44.44 | Monet | I saw an article describing a PC Gamer journalist having a go |
| 21:44.54 | Hachiman | I find that the easier a game is to play, the less challenge there is, which means less fun being had |
| 21:45.49 | Hachiman | Monet: Can't trust journalists because they're paid |
| 21:45.49 | OluapPlayer | It's a RTS, the difficulty comes from your skill and that of your opponent |
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| 21:46.42 | Technobliterator | To be honest, I think you're just looking for negatives deliberately |
| 21:46.59 | Hachiman | I want the game to be good |
| 21:47.22 | Technobliterator | Then why are you trying to convince yourself it'll be bad before knowing much about it? |
| 21:47.22 | Hachiman | I love DoW which is why I am worried about all the potential negatives that can come with making it easier |
| 21:47.32 | OluapPlayer | And so far there are no reasons to believe it won't |
| 21:47.43 | Monet | simple does not mean it'll be boring, otherwise Mario could be described as a not very fun game. |
| 21:47.49 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 21:48.51 | Hachiman | I have waited years for this and I do not want to be disappointed by something that lost the focus of its fans to point towards a more general audience who *haven't* waited as long as we have |
| 21:49.19 | Technobliterator | And why are you so certain that's what will happen? |
| 21:49.19 | OluapPlayer | Why can't you be hyped for what the game will bring instead? |
| 21:49.48 | Monet | And if it does, you still have DoW I and II. |
| 21:50.01 | OluapPlayer | You're not gonna enjoy the game at all with that attitude since you'll be expecting everything to be bad |
| 21:50.08 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 21:50.28 | Hachiman | Because I am scared that if I get hyped, any severely disappointing aspects will be amplified |
| 21:50.44 | Hachiman | Wish for the best, prepare for the worst and all that jazz |
| 21:50.49 | Monet | There's not being hyped, and then there's expecting disappointment. |
| 21:51.20 | OluapPlayer | I'd only have that mentality if the company had a bad history |
| 21:51.23 | OluapPlayer | Which Relic doesn't |
| 21:51.45 | Hachiman | SEGA is in charge of Relic though |
| 21:51.54 | Hachiman | And SEGA's track record is not great |
| 21:52.08 | The_Randomness | zzz |
| 21:52.09 | OluapPlayer | SEGA are not developing the game, Relic is |
| 21:52.23 | Technobliterator | Pessimism isn't as healthy as everyone says it is, y'know |
| 21:52.29 | OluapPlayer | I trust in Relic's work |
| 21:56.01 | Technobliterator | I think we'll get the game sometime this year, they're hyping it up quite a bit |
| 21:56.21 | Technobliterator | Linux port plz |
| 21:56.34 | Monet | Relic has a massive portfolio and a great track record. If Sega execs are smart, they'll give Relic some leeway. |
| 21:57.48 | OluapPlayer | http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/05/03/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-3-announced I was right |
| 21:57.52 | OluapPlayer | 2017 only |
| 21:57.59 | Technobliterator | Laaaaaaaaame |
| 21:58.18 | Technobliterator | Why would they hype it so much then |
| 21:58.33 | Hachiman | Fuck sake |
| 21:58.47 | Monet | This might still make it E3 material |
| 21:58.51 | Technobliterator | I'm also curious if they'll ever make a Total War Warhammer 40K ever |
| 21:59.10 | Technobliterator | Given DoW exists, might never make sense to |
| 21:59.20 | Monet | Technobliterator: I've seen dev talks o nthe matter. |
| 21:59.41 | Technobliterator | I'm not sure how good a move it is for them to split the audience |
| 21:59.44 | Monet | 40K is jsut too alien to Total War's typical way of doing things |
| 22:00.00 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 22:00.22 | Hachiman | We're lucky to be getting Total Warhammer at all |
| 22:01.16 | Monet | I can't see Total War as it tends to work working thematically on the battle map with Space Marines or Eldar. |
| 22:01.40 | Technobliterator | I've never played a Total War game and gotten into it |
| 22:01.58 | Hachiman | I'm probably not gonna play Total Warhammer |
| 22:02.06 | Hachiman | The Chaos pre-order bonus put me off |
| 22:02.57 | OluapPlayer | I hear they changed it so you can get Chaos for free if you buy the game during its first week after release |
| 22:03.01 | OluapPlayer | But it's still DLC regardless |
| 22:03.33 | Hachiman | It's not just that; it's how the developers blamed the customers for being out of order and not liking the fact Chaos was DLC |
| 22:03.45 | Hachiman | They handled that situation VERY badly |
| 22:03.55 | OluapPlayer | I know, I've seen it |
| 22:04.00 | OluapPlayer | It was posted here |
| 22:04.29 | Monet | "How dare you accuse us of trying to keep the lights on!" - something like that? |
| 22:04.29 | OluapPlayer | I'm not interested in the game anymore because of that |
| 22:05.14 | Monet | For the record I agree that this was an unscrupulus practice, it wasn't popular whe nthey did it with the Greek City States, |
| 22:05.39 | OluapPlayer | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-12-03-total-war-developer-disheartened-by-pre-order-dlc-reaction |
| 22:08.52 | Technobliterator | Developers love when you preorder |
| 22:09.22 | Technobliterator | Some people get hyped when a trailer comes out then lose interest by the time the game is out, preorder guarantees they pay immediately |
| 22:09.43 | Monet | Financially, making Chaos a pre-order playable faction was a smart move. |
| 22:11.59 | Technobliterator | I have completely lost track of everything going on in the PC gaming scene |
| 22:12.48 | OluapPlayer | step the fuck up m8 |
| 22:13.24 | Monet | And with the amount of resources games these days require (Warhammer Total War is giving us giant beasts, magic and hero units, which I doubt combined was cheap) |
| 22:13.49 | Monet | Day one sales are more precarious than ever. |
| 22:14.05 | OluapPlayer | Thinking with your wallet is a good way to displease your fanbase though |
| 22:14.46 | Monet | Yes I know but at the same time you have peopel out there who think video game devloper studios are magic factories. |
| 22:15.03 | Monet | Probably a minority, but still |
| 22:15.53 | Monet | So I guess what msot developers try to balance pleasing fanbases and income prospects. |
| 22:16.04 | OluapPlayer | Well they already lost my purchase |
| 22:16.43 | Monet | Voting with your wallet does indeed influence corporate decision-making. |
| 22:17.06 | Monet | CA might not have done this if the last pre-order strategies weren't as successful as they were. |
| 22:17.32 | Monet | So in a way, perhaps both sides are at fault. |
| 22:18.26 | Hachiman | Fucking what |
| 22:18.56 | Hachiman | You're accusing the fanbase of being at fault for not wanting a CORE RACE of Warhammer 40,000 to be pre-order DLC when the developer has a track record of bad launches |
| 22:19.05 | Monet | Well, would CA have considered this if the last pre-order deals flopped? |
| 22:19.07 | Hachiman | Not 40,000 |
| 22:19.45 | Hachiman | As far as I know, they didn't flop but they were received badly |
| 22:19.50 | Hachiman | And they still continue to do this |
| 22:20.15 | Monet | Recived badly, yes but many still bought the pre-order |
| 22:23.31 | ImpyDroid | Make DLCs but then make the game itself cheaper |
| 22:23.38 | Monet | Though it sounds like CA is saying the money earned from the Chaos DLC helped make a playable Chaos faction possible. |
| 22:23.49 | Hachiman | That's total bullshit |
| 22:23.57 | Hachiman | I do not believe that for a second |
| 22:24.10 | Monet | They had to mechanically tailor each playable faction |
| 22:24.51 | Monet | Prior Total War games had dozens of factions that used a pool of 2-4 mechanics sets. |
| 22:25.09 | Hachiman | Yes and getting the money for that from a big business such as CA would not be so difficult that it had to rely on pre-orders in order to do it |
| 22:25.39 | Monet | CA doesn't have unlimited funding. |
| 22:26.12 | Monet | It also can't pour every free dollar it has available to it into one studio. |
| 22:26.14 | Hachiman | It's not an independent studio though, either |
| 22:26.26 | Monet | Same with Sega |
| 22:26.39 | OluapPlayer | DLC is a terrible practice, it has no justification as far as I'm concerned |
| 22:27.11 | Monet | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-02-05-games-revenue-in-decline-for-sega-after-nine-months in fact here's proof. |
| 22:27.42 | Monet | Sega's annual income is going -down-. |
| 22:28.48 | Hachiman | I am not going to believe that CA intentionally chose Chaos to be their DLC at launch for any reason other than that the tactic worked with their bad games and they want to repeat drawing in idiots and easy consumers again |
| 22:29.34 | Hachiman | From what I have seen of Total Warhammer, it is not in a financially troubled state |
| 22:31.16 | Monet | Is it possible that by the time they came to making the game mechanics for Chaos they ran short of money? |
| 22:31.51 | Hachiman | Yeah, no; they are a corporation and they clearly have no love for their fanbase if they are pulling this shit with them |
| 22:31.57 | Monet | Developers have to cut content due ot budget all the time. |
| 22:32.27 | Monet | They can't always include every single feature they want. |
| 22:32.41 | Hachiman | Why do you think CA is exempt from doing this shit while every other studio that has pulled similar crap isn't |
| 22:32.50 | Hachiman | It sounds like bias to me |
| 22:33.19 | Monet | I'm not saying they're excempt. I said I understand why they're doing this. |
| 22:33.35 | Hachiman | Because they want more profit and more money in their pockets? |
| 22:33.53 | Monet | But I don't imagine that Relic's board of directors are moustache-twirling psychopaths interested in screwing over their customers as much as possible. |
| 22:34.44 | Monet | If they were, would TW Warhammer look as good as it currently is? Probably not |
| 22:35.55 | Hachiman | If they were in a financially troubled state, TW Warhammer would not look as good as it currently does |
| 22:36.54 | Technobliterator | "why do game developers want to earn money" |
| 22:37.30 | Monet | I didn't suggest they were financially troubled. I suggested that perhaps by the time they got around to making mechanics for CHaos, their assigned budget was looking slim. |
| 22:37.56 | Monet | It does happen: You're halfway though a project and relaise "shit, I've overspent a bit". |
| 22:38.06 | Monet | And have ot cut back. |
| 22:38.13 | The_Randomness | Monet: Are you suggesting companies make mistakes? *gasps* |
| 22:39.55 | Monet | Every new game a publisher - any publisher - funds is basically a gamble. |
| 22:40.40 | Monet | They're putting money on the hope that the develoepr can make something they can make money out of. |
| 22:41.30 | Monet | And only fools bet with all their available money. |
| 22:46.32 | The_Randomness | tfw you finish the last assignment for the semester |
| 22:47.23 | Monet | Tis a good feeling |
| 22:47.31 | The_Randomness | Indeed |
| 22:48.12 | The_Randomness | I honestly don't mind finals that much compared to the final wave of homework |
| 22:56.51 | Monet | There is a bit less pressure, true |
| 22:58.09 | The_Randomness | yay, just preordered Stellaris |
| 22:58.22 | Technobliterator | I almost finished too |
| 22:58.32 | Technobliterator | Also, Random, I'm really starting tom |
| 22:58.40 | Technobliterator | miss the Sanders spam |
| 22:58.43 | The_Randomness | zzz |
| 22:58.47 | Technobliterator | now it's all Trump spam |
| 22:58.51 | Technobliterator | which is even worse |
| 22:58.55 | The_Randomness | Tuck Frump DansGame |
| 22:59.13 | Technobliterator | have you even seen r/the_donald |
| 22:59.21 | The_Randomness | nah |
| 22:59.26 | Technobliterator | It's such a shitshow |
| 22:59.27 | The_Randomness | I've kind of heard about it |
| 22:59.29 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:59.37 | Monet | I like to think of it this way: His name here in Britain is Donald Fart. |
| 22:59.43 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 23:00.24 | Technobliterator | It's basically "le epick maymays xDDDDDDDD cant stump the Trump XDDDDDDDD stupid sjw chucks" |
| 23:00.36 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:01.45 | Technobliterator | r/politics is so awful, I don't know why anyone would go there willingly |
| 23:02.10 | The_Randomness | lol, implying any large political forum can be any good |
| 23:02.53 | Technobliterator | Well, this is true, but it's so awful |
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| 23:35.42 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 23:36.16 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 23:38.49 | The_Randomness | I just preordered Stellaris \o/ |
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| 23:39.43 | Wormy_away | The Scottish hated Trump before it was cool. |
| 23:40.38 | Wormy_away | http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/defeated-donald-trump-turns-his-back-on-scotland-1-3301941 |
| 23:40.45 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:41.47 | Technobliterator | uncharted 4 94 on metacritic |
| 23:41.48 | Technobliterator | I knew it |
| 23:41.49 | Technobliterator | GOTY |
| 23:42.16 | Wormy_away | http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/map-scotland-ban-donald-trump/424758/ |
| 23:48.16 | Wormy_away | goodnight |
