IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160429

00:00.51MonetAlso http://img04.deviantart.net/dd61/i/2014/306/5/d/map_of_the_united_kingdom_of_westeros__modern_got__by_maonsie-d843oti.png the mouth of bay of King's Landing
00:01.37MonetThere's little chance that area wasn't based on the bay of the Thames.
00:03.36DrodoEmpiretest
00:03.39DrodoEmpireWhat's this about?
00:04.10MonetI'm examining how lcosely GoT's Westeros fits the old kingdoms of England
00:05.03DrodoEmpireAhh
00:05.07DrodoEmpireOh, just had a thought
00:05.11Monethttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/0c/House_Tyrell_banner.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110408162416 here's another reason I think The Reach is Mercia
00:05.25MonetThat looks to me like an almsot dead-ringer ot the rose of Lancaster.
00:05.44DrodoEmpireI always found it interesting that the Combine in HL2 use the USP Match as their sidearm of choice- A pistol designed for target and sport shooting that was discontinued in 1999
00:06.04DrodoEmpireTrue
00:06.41DrodoEmpire(Though, its perfectly reasonable to say that Valve chose it for how it looked, I mean, the Match *does* have a very unique design)
00:07.04Monet(It's possible)
00:07.55DrodoEmpireLogically speaking there's very little justification. :p That being said it wouldn't be the Combine's only odd weapon choice
00:08.28MonetThe Stormlands are possibly Essex
00:08.45MonetWHich leaves the Vale as East Anglia.
00:10.29MonetRemind me, what's the history of the Tyrells and the Starks?
00:11.05DrodoEmpireHmm?
00:11.07DrodoEmpireI'm not sure
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07:40.33AdmiralPandahi all
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09:37.04AdmiralPandahi ghel
09:37.32AdmiralPandaI should not have gotten involved in thinking of early military history :P
09:37.53GhelaeHello. Why not?
09:38.04AdmiralPandabcus it's all I can think of in downtime
09:38.17GhelaeThe solution is obvious.
09:38.19GhelaeJoin the project. :P
09:39.56GhelaeDrodo's added some thoughts to it too.
09:44.00AdmiralPandawhat even is the point of the project?
09:47.18GhelaeThe idea is that, since we all have our knowledge and interests in different areas, we can make a more detailed fiction if we work together, and each of us focuses on our specialities, than if we work in the usual SporeWiki style by working on a whole fiction on our own (and thereby glossing over the points we don't care or know about very much).
09:50.31GhelaeIt's a lot less segregated than the description might make it sound; in practice, most people have commented on most topics.
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10:15.12GhelaeHello.
10:15.20XhoHi
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10:50.27AdmiralPandawhen you haven't played DkS in probably a year but you still Stop the Rock on the first try
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11:08.13JepardiHi
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11:13.57XhoIt's only 12:13
11:14.10Xhoone day is too long
11:15.26XhoThat being said I normally wake up between 10:30 and 11:30
11:17.01Wormydroid11:30 till 13:00 is my favourite time to get up.
11:21.44GhelaeI usually wake up before 9. Today was no exception.
11:22.15GhelaeThe number of times I've ever woken up after 10 is probably less than 10.
11:32.53XhoI've just read that the Museum of Nation History in New Delhi has been destroyed by a fire
11:32.59XhoNation?
11:33.01XhoNatural
11:33.06XhoMuseum of Natural History
11:34.23GhelaeNational Museum of Natural History, yeah. Its entire collection lost to the flames.
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11:57.59Xhoups
11:58.04OluapPlayerspu
11:58.06OluapPlayerYou're on early
11:58.18XhoDay off work
11:59.07XhoI decided to remake the Shadow Drake model
11:59.17XhoLooks...well shadowy
11:59.57OluapPlayerblak
12:00.43XhoTechnically I'm making Nirvasunur since he's the only visibly encountered Shadow Drake on Koldenwelt
12:19.01Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a6/ShadowDrake2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429121827
12:19.32OluapPlayerLooks good
12:19.32GhelaeShadowy indeed.
12:19.36OluapPlayerBulkier than the last one
12:20.45XhoQuite a size range
12:20.51Xho225 m - 12,000 m
12:22.04OluapPlayer>12,000 m
12:22.07OluapPlayerr u havin a giggle
12:22.13XhoRakshaseshvara
12:22.29OluapPlayerThat's nearly as big as Tritonomarth
12:23.20XhoRakshaseshvara probably wasn't that big when he/it was created
12:23.25XhoOr just spawned I dunno
12:23.44XhoBut feeding off dark energies for 30,000 years makes gecko stronk
12:24.19XhoI had an idea earlier about the Dragon Elders or leaders or whatever
12:24.32XhoHaving a list of all the current and past leaders of the True Kelodhres
12:25.20OluapPlayerCould have but not all of them had unified leaders
12:25.34XhoWell we can list them as well
12:28.10XhoThere's a Frost Drake elder on the Algid Haven though I'm not so sure on how big he would be
12:28.30XhoIn the 200 - 300 metre range
12:30.04XhoI doubt he's the original elder though
12:30.16OluapPlayer2big4fiction
12:30.50XhoI'd imagine the old school elders like Nalúnt and Athinyeras could have grown to Rakshaseshvara's size granted they lived the full 30,000 years
12:31.25OluapPlayerThe only dragon "elders" I have are Vixaatus and Favniru
12:31.54OluapPlayerFire Drakes never had any leaders beyond Venertimanoth, and Poison Drakes are not sapient
12:31.56XhoWhat about Mentiryanth
12:32.06OluapPlayerOh yeah her too
12:32.10OluapPlayerThree leaders then
12:33.24XhoNalúnt, Rakshaseshvara, Frost Drake Elder and Blood Drake Elder
12:33.49XhoKamilitziqan the Dreadful is apparently the Frost Drake Elder
12:34.00XhoDon't quite remember coming up with that name
12:36.15OluapPlayerBy Elder do you mean first leader?
12:36.28XhoFirst leaders and current leaders
12:36.34OluapPlayerRight
12:36.47XhoSo Vixaatus, Favinru, Mentiryanth, Nalúnt, Rakshaseshvara, Kamilitziqan, Blood Drake Guy, Márdeirythis...
12:36.49Xhowho else
12:36.50OluapPlayerMentiryanth and Favniru are far from being the first of their people
12:37.05OluapPlayerThe Blood Drake page has a name for their leader
12:37.25XhoSo it does
12:37.28XhoI'm gonna change that
12:38.20OluapPlayerArddraigr is the current boss of the Earth Drakes as far as the page says
12:41.47XhoI wanna use World-Eater for Blood Drake guy but obvious reference is obvious
12:42.07XhoWorld-Drinker                "hey" - Pelagrios, 33 NA
12:42.12OluapPlayerhur
12:48.47XhoDrauzijokunn's now the name for the Blood Drake leader
12:49.28OluapPlayerblud
12:50.15AdmiralPandathe question is, does he like corn flakes?
12:50.32Xhoperhaps
12:50.51XhoCORN FOR THE...BLOOD DRAKE CORN FLAKES GUY
12:51.08AdmiralPandait's milk for the khorne flakes dammit XD
12:51.20XhoI don't world of warhammer
12:51.37XhoI cannot into 40 kay
12:51.41AdmiralPandaHOW VERY DARE YOU SIR, comparing Warhammer to that consumer-grade trash
12:53.00XhoSo Drauzijokunn's name comes from the term 'drauzijô' which is Proto-Germanic for 'gore/blood' and 'kunn' which is sort of from 'kuningaz' which means 'king'
12:53.17XhoSo Blood-King
12:53.44OluapPlayerI see
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13:17.05XhoSo I'm looking at the records of the guy who plays the Mountain in Game of Thrones
13:17.19XhoHe fuckin' lifts for sure
13:17.32XhoHe bench presses 230 kg raw
13:21.38OluapPlayerstronk
13:22.32XhoWell currently the third strongest man in the world by strongman sports
13:24.04Wormy_Most SporeWiki races - that's my toothpick
13:24.17XhoPretty much heh
13:24.29XhoKicath aren't very good lifters however
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13:26.08GhelaeHello.
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13:57.37Xho"Their expected date of return is: June."      nigga wat am i meant to be doing for a month
13:57.52XhoHi as well Random
13:58.07The_RandomnessHey
13:59.13OluapPlayerThis kills the fiction
13:59.21Xhodefinitely
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13:59.33OluapPlayerYou could work on those smaller settings you were on about
13:59.40XhoI was about to say
13:59.55XhoI guess I could do some post-Eschaton stories to bring them forward whilst current things are DED
14:00.27XhoThere's two things which are collab-able
14:00.35OluapPlayerwut dis
14:00.48XhoThere's one which is centred around Talmyr and the other around the Néva
14:00.59XhoThe Dalmiric one is much larger than the Néva one though
14:01.06XhoWould take more than a month to complete
14:01.06OluapPlayerEarath - more ice          i'm out
14:01.30XhoEarath wears shitloads of furs                       Mhor - THERE'S SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH YOU
14:01.51OluapPlayerEsulus - u eat fish in front of me              u cant talk bout wrong
14:02.05XhoMhor - hey          i didn't create culture
14:02.18XhoThe Néva one is shorter and can probably be done in the space of May and probably the start of June if done slowly
14:04.10OluapPlayernavi
14:05.01OluapPlayerFor collabs I can use Norrigan for certain
14:05.51XhoNot sure what characters to use for it
14:05.56XhoApart from Riad of course
14:06.33OluapPlayerRum-man
14:06.38XhoMhor and Esulus probably
14:06.42XhoPelagrios, not so sure
14:06.59OluapPlayerBut he's Riad's bff
14:07.33XhoI guess but as a character he really does not want to go back to the Néva turf
14:07.44OluapPlayerFair enough
14:07.57XhoExtremely, extremely xenophobic as far as turfs go
14:08.21OluapPlayerMhor, Esulus and Taihadrae cus they all need screen time
14:09.11XhoTaihadrae can't since she'll be in Talmyr in a concurrent time frame
14:09.17XhoAlongside Ndrhtrhryr and possibly Khaadun
14:09.49OluapPlayerjust bear and fish den
14:11.31XhoMhor - cold in the east        cold in the west         motherfuckers
14:12.37XhoSo apart from Norrigan what other characters could be used
14:12.55XhoIf this is happening in 34 NA then Clotho is probably not going to be there
14:13.14OluapPlayerShe isn't, she'll be unavailable for collabs after Eschaton ends
14:13.32OluapPlayerThe Sea Witch will go back home and Earath hates the cold so they're also unavailable
14:14.22XhoJust Norrigan then
14:14.40OluapPlayerGeographically closest char I have is Yurthez so it depends on him having a reason to tag along
14:14.40XhoThe only other choice is Madiiraxaven
14:14.48XhoOr Yurthez
14:14.58OluapPlayerMadii would not work with them
14:15.08OluapPlayerShe's not protagonist material
14:15.25XhoNeither is Kaaxhesh or Vultusk but there we go
14:15.30XhoI might remove Kaaxhesh from Odyssey
14:15.40XhoExceptionally difficult character to use
14:16.15OluapPlayerHe'd not fit with the team
14:16.43OluapPlayerAre you going to invite Hachi to this?
14:16.46XhoThat wasn't bothering me really, Order of the Black Sun characters intentionally don't fit with anything but Kaaxhesh is just hard
14:16.47XhoYeah
14:17.11OluapPlayerYurthez and Dragostea then
14:17.32OluapPlayerAt least
14:20.31XhoThe main antagonist is quite obviously Bone-Breaker
14:21.04OluapPlayerboner
14:21.11XhoBone-Breaker - |>
14:22.56XhoI might fill in more characters on the antagonist side to fill out the plot more
14:24.58XhoMostly just Bone-Breaker's lieutenants
14:29.06Wormy_Also, get a nose > http://imgur.com/gallery/Y2X1gUn
14:29.08XhoThere's another protagonist to come into the story as well though he's been mentioned before
14:30.04Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/4GchI4l
14:30.14Xhohih
14:30.27OluapPlayerwho dis
14:31.45Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/QYe7k03.jpg
14:32.11XhoA Néva character called Daokusk who's in Pelagrios' Eschaton prologue
14:33.04XhoIn relation to Riad he's betrothed to Riad's cousin
14:33.57XhoTo the Snowfall Tribe he's their prized champion/hunter
14:34.39OluapPlayerI vaguely recall the name
14:35.51XhoThat prologue's one of my favourite stories
14:35.56XhoThat I've done
14:36.05XhoJust shows the full idiocy of Pelagrios
14:38.51OluapPlayerPelagrios, the drunkard who nearly destroyed the world
14:39.14OluapPlayerbrb
14:39.16XhoPelagrios - bada bing, bada boom
14:43.20XhoSo, decided to call this story The Storm Chaser
14:45.05OluapPlayerriad - com bak heer
14:46.04XhoStorm - no
15:01.31Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Storm_Chaser frozen wasteland go
15:03.59OluapPlayerbrr brr land
15:07.06Xhoadd ur chars u long legged mac daddy
15:14.57XhoOluapPlayer: dam u
15:17.06OluapPlayershup I'm eating
15:17.21Xhoy u do dis
15:17.27Xhodum question come to think of it
15:18.21XhoMight as well make Bone-Breaker's lieutenants
15:57.59Charles_Murraytest
16:00.45AdmiralPandayou fehl
16:05.49The_Randomnessrip
16:08.25XhoOluapPlayer: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3e/TiritchiktheDragon.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429160742 Well I made one of them
16:08.42OluapPlayerthe dergon
16:08.49OluapPlayerA female Neva then
16:08.55Xhosí
16:09.15XhoAlso as expected a psychopathic pyromancer/electromancer
16:10.48OluapPlayerI'd not have expected pyromancy in their people
16:11.00XhoWell that's why she's a no-go zone for many
16:11.18XhoCombining electromancy and pyromancy she creates a pretty but damn hellish firestorm
16:11.48XhoWhich makes her the most dangerous of Bone-Breaker's lieutenants
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16:14.45MonetHello
16:14.49OluapPlayerHi
16:15.07GhelaeHello.
16:39.58Wormy_hi
16:42.08XhoOluapPlayer: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/8f/MaguruktheWolf.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429164131 awoo
16:42.32OluapPlayerawoo looks scary
16:43.19XhoMaguruk is probably the least evil of the four
16:43.41OluapPlayerNorrigan - still evil         will apply purging instrument to head
16:44.32XhoNanuk and Assrivak now
16:44.32Xhohm
16:44.46OluapPlayernanoot
16:44.47OluapPlayerNOOT NOOT
16:45.07XhoNanuk - BEAR       NOT PENGUIN
16:45.30OluapPlayerMhor - [triggered]
16:45.56XhoAll of the lieutenant's names are the Inuit translation for what animal their title is
16:47.10XhoAll of their titles imply some worship in Harstag which isn't improbable since the Néva are a northern culture
16:48.06XhoAll of them are kings/queen of their own smaller tribe that are allied to Bone-Breaker as well
16:48.33OluapPlayerDoes Boner-Shreker have an animal title too?
16:48.39OluapPlayerAlso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5grtioqR5M
16:48.41XhoHe would
16:49.38XhoI guess he'd call himself the Phoenix because megalomania-mode on
16:50.20OluapPlayerRiad - the turkey
16:50.35XhoBoner-Breaker - [triggered]
16:50.43XhoOr perhaps
16:50.46XhoBreak-Boner
16:51.01XhoThat's just brutal in itself
16:51.15OluapPlayerPelagrios - thats why im not going
16:51.24AdmiralPandaespecially given the force needed to break erectile tissue
16:51.30AdmiralPandapretty messy too
16:51.56XhoOluapPlayer: Not entirely false, Pelagrios is terrified of Bone-Breaker
16:52.15OluapPlayerI gathered from his page
16:52.32XhoThen again who wouldn't be terrified of two metres worth of immortal and probably borderline-demonic cannibalistic elf who wears a rotting bear skull on his head
16:53.15OluapPlayerClamak - me
16:53.27XhoBone-Breaker - damn southerner can't even see me
16:53.43OluapPlayerClamak - all clamak sees is beard                and booze
16:53.50XhoPelagrios - <3
16:54.26OluapPlayerI'd like to use Clamak in more stories
16:54.28OluapPlayerHe's fun to use
16:55.15OluapPlayeri'd suggest him to the plot but they'd have to go out of their way to find him
16:55.59XhoWell they are travelling north, Clamak's north of them
16:56.04OluapPlayerbrb
16:56.20OluapPlayerClamak lives at the east, not at the north
16:56.23OluapPlayerbrb for real
17:01.19The_Randomnessbrb
17:06.00OluapPlayerBack
17:08.38OluapPlayerhttps://twitter.com/mogmognyorori/status/722058597903896576 peep
17:15.51Xhobirb
17:15.57XhoWell Clamak still lives north of Dar-Nahalant
17:16.09XhoNorth-east but still
17:19.07XhoOluapPlayer: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/59/NanuktheBear.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429171804 teddy
17:19.09OluapPlayerBack in the War of Vampires they did use the tunnels of the Vermin Kingdom as a shortcut to the north, so I guess they could do that and meet him there
17:19.22OluapPlayer"WHO WANTS A BEAR HUG"
17:20.15XhoWell you could imagine that Nanuk likes to model himself after a bear
17:21.00XhoConsidering he's seven and a half feet of pure berserk grr
17:21.25XhoAnd those claws are actually dragon's claws and not bear claws
17:22.18OluapPlayerthe bear but slightly dragon
17:24.29XhoAssrivak I'm still struggling to have an idea of
17:25.36OluapPlayerthe spuder
17:26.42Xho>is an actual spider
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17:34.31DanzaDelMondoHi
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17:34.43Quark8Hello.
17:34.58DanzaDelMondoXho: Can you come to the mass collab please
17:42.58Wormy_awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSmu7-KzwQ
18:14.04XhoOluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1a/Bone-Breaker2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429181028 Bone-Breaker just got upgraded to Fuck You Edition
18:14.32OluapPlayerI was about to complain how ded this place was
18:14.36OluapPlayerKalarah - get ur own wardrobe u savage
18:15.01XhoBone-Breaker - I did         i killed ur men and took it off them
18:16.05OluapPlayerKalarah - fukin BLUE PEOPLE
18:16.53XhoBone-Breaker - dey call me break-boner 4 reason
18:18.04Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Storm_Chaser gotta cast fast
18:18.50OluapPlayerNorrigan        King of Eye
18:19.03Xhopraise
18:19.44XhoKing's a loose title though since every tribe mentioned apart from the Snowfall Tribe is a kratocracy
18:20.15OluapPlayerThey can call themselves whatever they want in a kratocracy hur
18:20.24XhoBone-Breaker - king                 yes
18:20.59Xho"through rites of combat, kill the current king and earn the title of the most respected and feared warrior of their race, and therefore given consensual right to reign over their numbers, additionally consuming the flesh of their previous victories along the way as a sign of dominance and spirituality, such as calling upon the spirit of the deceased to give them greater strength."
18:21.09XhoThat's the general Bone-Shield rite of accession
18:21.18XhoNot so different from the rest of the tribes
18:21.32XhoAlthough cannibalism is usually left out
18:22.01XhoCannibalism is usually an act of humiliation in most tribes, to the Bone-Shields its an act of dominance
18:22.28XhoThat being said the Néva might have some natural affinity to blood magic
18:22.49XhoDevouring the flesh of their enemies is said to make them stronger, which is why Nanuk eats the flesh of bears
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18:24.07OluapPlayer_Fuck off IRC
18:24.41OluapPlayer_Anyway
18:24.44OluapPlayer_Bone-Breaker reminds me of Kebra'Osos because his name is meant to mean "Bone Breaker" too
18:24.55XhoBone-Breaker - pls
18:25.18OluapPlayer_Kebra'Osos - stoopid
18:25.24OluapPlayer_needs moe kebra'osos in eschaton too
18:25.55XhoHm
18:26.08XhoDunno where he could be thouh
18:26.54OluapPlayer_Maybe whenever the Shiarchon go back to the front of the ebul conga
18:28.02OluapPlayer_Since that title currently belongs to the Sleepy deemuns
18:28.53XhoVanguard - piss off ook face
18:29.07OluapPlayer_Kebra'Osos - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
18:29.10XhoI was making an alternate form for Vanguard earlier but I dunno whether it'll ever be used
18:29.25OluapPlayer_Also obligatory Xacutus appearance
18:29.27OluapPlayer_show dis
18:29.51XhoVanguard just throws Xacutus at Kebra'Osos
18:30.18OluapPlayer_Xacutus - i'm somewhat okay with this
18:33.21OluapPlayer_"prediction : by 2024, presidential elections will involve candidates saying "don't forget to like and subscribe" after each speech"
18:38.14Xhooh god
18:48.13Wormy_awayPop goes the weasel http://phys.org/news/2016-04-weasel-large-hadron-collider.html
18:49.32OluapPlayerThey now need to collide two weasels at extreme velocity
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18:54.38DrodoEmpireHi everybody
18:59.01GhelaeHello.
19:00.20XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYf-PqmCyY I think I very well might be the Nostalgia Critic
19:01.00OluapPlayerFAK YU OOOOOOOOO
19:04.48Wormy_awayThat is one awkward sounding FU.
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19:16.45Quark8Hello.
19:16.51GhelaeHello.
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19:26.38DrodoEmpiretest
19:26.40DrodoEmpireHI
19:26.42DrodoEmpire*Hi
19:26.51DrodoEmpireDidn't mean to yell. >:
19:29.36XhoOluapPlayer: To that reference about Kalarah I actually did model Bone-Breaker's current appearance after Kalarah's first model
19:29.49OluapPlayerc
19:36.19XhoHachi's been dead all day
19:36.31XhoHeck not even on Steam
19:37.25OluapPlayerHe's not replying on Skype either
19:37.29OluapPlayerMust be away from home
19:41.16XhoOluapPlayer: http://uncle-crusty.deviantart.com/art/memes-yay-586779952 Prepare to explode
19:41.40OluapPlayerblart/10
19:48.40XhoOh yeah I also upped Bone-Breaker's height because why not
19:48.55XhoWent from 6'7" to 7'3"
19:50.54XhoConsidering most Néva are 4'8" - 5'7" he giganto
19:51.14OluapPlayernot smol
19:51.43XhoIn other words he's 2.21 metres tall in comparison to the average of about 1.60 m
19:52.25XhoNanuk's even taller, probably closer to 2.35 metres
19:52.51XhoMaguruk and Tiritchik are more average sized
19:53.25XhoAbout 1.75 m and 1.62 m respectively
19:54.41XhoRiad's a little taller at 1.82 m
19:54.54XhoDaokusk is about 1.93 m
19:55.22OluapPlayerEveryone is bigger than average
19:57.42XhoWell the 4'8" - 5'7" range is 1.42 m - 1.70 m
19:58.29XhoThen again there are humans that go outside the average height as well
19:58.45XhoBone-Breaker and Nanuk are considered barbaric though due to their height
19:58.57XhoDaokusk almost the same as well
19:59.02OluapPlayerdey barbaric cus dey cannibal tribesmen
19:59.07XhoThat is also true
19:59.22XhoBone-Breaker is generally considered someone who makes taboo laws a past time
20:00.54XhoOn the terms of evil savagery as a character he's probably either #2 or #1 on my list
20:01.13XhoDebatable with Narrasturavaran
20:01.18OluapPlayercalm the fuk down son
20:01.51XhoNarrasturavaran and Bone-Breaker are almost the same character come to think of it
20:01.55XhoJust that one's taller than the other
20:02.50XhoJulianus probably settles underneath them at #3
20:03.13MonetI think I'm slightly above average.
20:03.15XhoThey're all elves as well hoh
20:03.16OluapPlayerNorrigan - purged status = 2/3
20:03.29MonetLast I checked I was 6ft 2.
20:03.37Xhogiganto mann
20:03.48XhoI'm just on the threshold of 6ft
20:04.04XhoOr 1.83 m for METRIC PEASANTS
20:04.10OluapPlayerI don't seem to really have any savage evil characters
20:04.17OluapPlayerUnless you count Kebra'Osos as savage
20:04.20Xhoook
20:04.32OluapPlayerBut he doesn't really do a lot of evil
20:04.55XhoI should really do Narrasturavaran's page, but spoilers off the charts
20:05.07XhoNothing unpredictable though
20:05.35OluapPlayerMost savagery he does is smash people with a giant club and cook them
20:05.39MonetI've owrked out I might be slightly tall due to my mother's side.
20:05.54XhoBone-Breaker - welcome to the club boyo
20:06.05OluapPlayerKebra'Osos - fukin deiwos meat
20:06.07XhoMonet: I'm taller than both my mother and father so I dunno where it comes from
20:06.09Monetafaict I have Dutch ancestry.
20:06.20MonetWell not ancestry.
20:06.26XhoI think it's my mother's side since we have had ancestors who were well above 6ft
20:06.31OluapPlayerHe's a reptile-man so him eating humanoids is not as weird as humanoids eating each other
20:06.33OluapPlayerArguably
20:06.43XhoBone-Breaker - meh
20:07.08MonetThen again I have an uncle on my father's side who is like 6ft 5 or something.
20:07.23OluapPlayerKhor is probably not a nice place to frequent
20:07.38XhoMy cousin on my dad's side is 6ft 3 but that's definitely from his father and not my aunt
20:07.43OluapPlayerInhabited by giant angry lizard-ogres, constantly under attack by giant angry goblins
20:08.06XhoI don't think Abyssus is nice in general hur
20:08.18OluapPlayerWell of course, but still
20:08.31OluapPlayerI don't imagine a lot of Legion races go there unless they have a reason
20:08.37XhoNot really no
20:08.48XhoMaximilianus is probably the only Shiarchon they see with any frequency
20:09.08OluapPlayerMaximilianus - news from the capital     no one likes this place                 Kebra'Osos - GOOD
20:09.18XhoI dunno whether to reveal spoilers by doing Narrasturavaran's page or wait
20:09.32OluapPlayerYou could just make the page and not include the spoilers
20:09.44XhoHm
20:10.16XhoI could do the spoilers and save me doing a story
20:10.21XhoOr the other way round
20:11.54OluapPlayerbrb
20:20.06OluapPlayerhaw
20:23.09Xhowah
20:24.41OluapPlayerNot sure what to do now
20:24.43XhoWhy can I never spell Narrasturvaran's name correctly
20:24.48Xhofinish paegs
20:25.11XhoOr make paegs
20:25.12OluapPlayerma paegs r finished tho
20:25.20XhoWell you've got the other DV students
20:25.49OluapPlayerOnly other student I control is Heilen, and I don't see the need for a page for him
20:26.00OluapPlayerI made a page for Szalvetha because I took a liking for her
20:29.58Xhohttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c7/Narrasturvaran2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160429202920 spiky mann
20:30.51OluapPlayerget food poisoning
20:31.08Xhodat makes no sense
20:31.45XhoGonna have to see what characters have come across him to get a top quote
20:32.02OluapPlayerWasn't he the one that got poisoned that one time?
20:32.15XhoAh yeah
20:32.19XhoAnd then got stabbed and clubbed
20:33.09XhoI think I mentioned that Narrasturvaran was taken back to the Skaurovirni Domain and was reanimated
20:33.17XhoMarginally more soulless than before
20:33.24XhoNot the first time he's been killed either
20:34.04OluapPlayerYou might have
20:34.10XhoHachi - T-They have swords! A-And the big guy has a mace!                                 Norrigan - So do I! Praise Isiris!
20:34.14Xho10/10 praise it
20:34.27OluapPlayerhur
20:35.30OluapPlayerKhadya - ... Fine. You owe me a head, however.               Sea Witch - You owe us not walking around in your underwear all damn day, you thing.
20:35.36OluapPlayerfuk u elf
20:37.16Xho"Angry dragon magic." - Primordial Darkness in a nutshell
20:37.25OluapPlayerlel
20:42.49XhoVarelos - I am old and very rich. Zat means yes, I have all sorts of drinks.                           Pelagrios - Oh, good. I was scared that this trip up north was going to kill me before I even got to the Void Fortress.
20:43.11OluapPlayerSea Witch - In any case, we blame Pelagrios.                   Pelagrios - Me too.
20:43.39XhoNihilist Pelagros
20:43.41XhoPelagrios*
20:44.14OluapPlayerPelagrios - world's gonna die and nothing has any meaning                 except rum, rum is good
20:44.39XhoRiad - my bff, everybody
20:47.28XhoPelagrios' - I'm going to die I'm going to die I'M GOING TO DIE --                        Sea Witch - I'm going to die I'm going to die I'm--                            Alhazred - Shut up, both of you!
20:48.39XhoKanna - Seppuku sounds like a reasonable idea.                     Sea Witch - Isn't that some sort of game?              Kanna - That's sudoku. Both are equally painful.
20:48.41XhoOh dear
20:49.39OluapPlayerhur
20:50.33OluapPlayerMaras - And Clotholaire and Kinmorunddraver were present. I was always jealous of that phoenix and her hat.
20:50.35OluapPlayerMaras's priorities
20:50.48XhoEsulus - my ancestor, everybody
20:51.25OluapPlayerMaras - talk to me when u blow up a void fortress
20:51.36XhoEsulus - i ain't got no storm magic tho
20:51.59XhoAlfgund - Hmph! How egotistical! You shan't see humans boasting of their ego in such a demeaning and insulting manner!                        Longinus - Apologies, '''brave and stalwart''' Alfgund Stonesoul of Mannazia.
20:52.45OluapPlayer[shots fired]
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20:53.23ImpyDroidWatching Thor made me realise
20:53.53ImpyDroidMarvel has both a more conventional space civilisation shown in Guardians of the Galaxy
20:54.10ImpyDroidAs well as the space fantasy worlds seen in Thor movies
20:54.16ImpyDroidThey are also known to interact
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20:54.32OluapPlayerAlhazred - Zran Kar's records say Nalúnt would be... a little more than twice the size of Nazuir.            Kanna - On the bright side, that is better than being three times the size of Nazuir.
20:54.40ImpyDroidI wonder what Novans think of Asgardians
20:56.47Xhogee kanna thanks
20:56.55XhoImpyDroid: Probably not aware
20:57.06ImpyDroidWell there was that Collector person
20:57.16XhoCollector isn't Xandarian though
20:57.25XhoHe's like some super old borderline demigod being
20:57.39ImpyDroidHe appeared in both verses so there is probably some connections between them
20:57.43ImpyDroidNot to mention Thanos
20:57.49ImpyDroidAnd his bros
20:57.56XhoPelagrios - N-not ready to rumble today...                                       Sea Witch - Damnit, Pelagrios. This is all your fault.
20:58.15OluapPlayerEschaton in a nutshell
21:00.23XhoHachi - I'm just gonna shut up and keep my mouth closed.                       Kanna - Well that's a first.
21:01.15Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Narrasturvaran Meh I'll do it later
21:01.23ImpyDroidWhere is all that from hur
21:01.48OluapPlayerPrimordial Darkness
21:02.03XhoThat had quite a lot of good moments
21:02.28XhoMy favourite story so far is Fall of Talmyr though
21:02.33OluapPlayerUnfortunately One Thousand Horns didn't end up as good
21:02.45OluapPlayerThe fight with Atrocius was probably the only really good part of it
21:02.53ImpyDroidOne thousand diks
21:03.01XhoHamoins - pls
21:04.14OluapPlayerThe whole Underworld arc was really bad
21:04.24OluapPlayerOnly good part of it was X'impe, actually
21:04.29XhoI liked Charon
21:04.42XhoGeneral - Mhor Shima would be the closest. Though he isn't here.                                             Sea Witch - A shame. I know the guy. He could talk the Shiarchon to death about how much he likes fish.
21:04.46XhoMhor - bit rude
21:05.44XhoHachi - ... Hmph, perfect. Strategies against the Lagosi: hit me once and I'm likely to die. ... If he hits me.                      Longinus - Indeed. Do not get hit.
21:05.53XhoLonginus: Giving great advice since 10,000 BNA
21:06.05OluapPlayergit gud
21:07.33ImpyDroidAlso
21:08.06ImpyDroidIf Lori is an ymir why doesn't he have the usual ymir ice powers
21:08.46XhoHe does
21:08.49XhoDidn't you see Thor
21:08.56OluapPlayerAlso that Nalash coin has been through a lot. Shown to the Repossessor guy, shown to the Néva, shown to Charon
21:09.04OluapPlayerExcept Charon took it and didn't give it back
21:09.10XhoNalashtannylor - yoink
21:09.10ImpyDroidI am only starting to watch it
21:09.14ImpyDroidWait not an ymir
21:09.16ImpyDroidA jotun
21:09.56XhoNalashtannylor's coin's useful in the fact that it's a symbolism of aid towards Nalashtannylor's allies and demons that aren't Nalashtannylor's enemies
21:10.04XhoGets one in places one normally can't
21:10.41XhoI guess Nalashtannylor would have manifested it out of Charon's hands afterwards or perhaps created another one
21:10.57OluapPlayerCharon - THIEF
21:11.31XhoBounty: 5 gold
21:11.45OluapPlayerCharon - STOP. YOU VIOLATED THE LAW.
21:11.59ImpyDroidNalashtannylor is CRIMINAL SCUM
21:12.33XhoNalashtannylor - resist arrest                 come at me scrubs
21:12.54OluapPlayerLevel 70 skeleton
21:13.48XhoNalashtannylor - pc+1 y u do dis
21:13.59XhoActually Hamoins would be PC+1 i
21:14.13OluapPlayerPC+1
21:14.14OluapPlayerwut now
21:14.55XhoLevel 70 Skelteon is level PC+1
21:14.59XhoHamoins is PC
21:15.03Xhotherefore Hamoins is Level 69
21:15.05Xhotop kek
21:15.26Xhoskeleton even
21:15.29OluapPlayerHamoins - ey boy wanna see my draugr
21:16.24XhoLonginus - They should get along just fine then. I speak sarcastically.                                   Sea Witch - Yeah yeah. We can help you improve your jokes after doomsday is over.
21:16.27XhoLonginus - :c
21:16.45OluapPlayerWow hur
21:18.27XhoLonginus - I never thought I would say it, but praise Isiris for this encounter.                 Norrigan - Praise Isiris!                         Longinus - [small] Agh. It feels like I almost committed apostasy there.
21:19.12OluapPlayerSoldalatel - how coud u        i cri
21:20.14XhoLonginus - https://youtu.be/ee925OTFBCA?t=15s
21:20.34OluapPlayerolol
21:22.14OluapPlayerHachi - ... Perhaps Clotho would be willing to finish today in a "productive" way, if she catches my meaning? Lots of "activity" to be done to make for a good finish, eh?        Lorchakim - I would rather not have heard that.              Lyra - Ew, kid. Even Lorchakim thinks you're a weirdo.
21:22.33Xho0/10 2perv
21:23.26OluapPlayerImpyDroid: So are you unavailable for fiction for the rest of the month then?
21:24.15ImpyDroidNah I can do it
21:24.33OluapPlayerOkay good
21:24.37ImpyDroidNot sure about June though
21:24.37XhoHachi - Ngh, this really isn't my forte. ... Kanna, can you attack him with ice--                    Kanna - AAAAAAAH! ... AAAAAAH AAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAH!                                          Hachi - ... Crap.
21:24.59OluapPlayerYes your page says you're gone until June
21:25.11OluapPlayerSo I was wondering whether that'd mean we'd be stuck during all of May
21:26.12OluapPlayerHachi - You've ran out of drink?                 Pelagrios - Don't be silly.
21:27.28XhoPelagrios - how haram
21:28.54OluapPlayerSea Witch - Just as long as Hachi or Pelagrios don't vomit on me, I'm game.               Pelagrios - I cannot guarantee that will not happen. Primarily because of who I am as a person.
21:29.08XhoNdrhthryr - has happened before                    would not recommend
21:29.22XhoJanos - You. You have something I require.      Earath - Pelagrios, watch out.               Pelagrios - Who, me? Nope. Want a bottle of rum?                  Pelagrios looked at the bottle.                   Pelagrios - ...Half drunken bottle of rum?
21:29.35ImpyDroidBTW where is Hachi
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21:29.48ImpyDroidHe has been gone all day
21:30.09ImpyDroid*absent
21:30.10OluapPlayerWe don't know
21:30.32OluapPlayerNo sight of him here, Steam or Skype all day
21:31.12OluapPlayer>meet personification of the Adversary           >offers it rum
21:32.53ImpyDroidGod the Thor dub is weird
21:33.04ImpyDroidThor's voice is cool but
21:33.10ImpyDroidOdin is referred to as a "tsar"
21:34.40OluapPlayerXacutus - ME! The great Xacutus! Anyone order a dose of ARSON with a few drops of SCREAMS of TERROR?
21:35.27XhoKalarah - the shit I had to put up with
21:36.07OluapPlayerXacutus - so unfun
21:36.36OluapPlayerXacutus - I'll pretend all you said is important. You CAN come up with pretty-worded speeches at least.
21:47.03TechnobliteratorDid he hint at any reason beforehand that he may be away?
21:47.15XhoWork of some sort
21:47.16OluapPlayerNope
21:47.36TechnobliteratorI haven't seen him for a while
21:47.49OluapPlayerHe's not been online today period
21:50.26TechnobliteratorI haven't for several days
21:52.17OluapPlayerWe can't tell considering you're online 24/7
21:54.20Technobliteratorno, I mean
21:54.25TechnobliteratorI haven't seen him for several days
21:55.02OluapPlayerOh
21:55.08OluapPlayerI assume we're talking about Hachi here
21:55.41Technobliteratoryeah
21:55.50OluapPlayergit glasses
21:56.01OluapPlayerHe's been online every day until yesterday
21:56.06Technobliteratormaybe he was here and I  just missed him? I've been busy with coursework this week
21:56.12Technobliteratorluckily, it's finished now
21:56.14Technobliterator:D
21:57.12OluapPlayergud now go work on reckoning
21:57.43Technobliteratordats da plan
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22:30.39OluapPlayeru failed
22:33.04DrodoEmpire>:
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22:39.59ImpyDroidOkay so I watched Thor and... no I did not see Loki using ice magic
22:41.30MonetHe never has
22:41.46MonetWel lexcept for that one time
22:43.02ImpyDroidYes but he used that box thing
22:43.32ImpyDroidI thought it was the Tesseract at first
22:43.55Technobliteratordespite Thor being an awesome character, his films are pretty lame
22:43.59MonetThe Casket of Ancient Winters.
22:44.27MonetReal artifact btw.
22:45.24ImpyDroidI dunno the non-Earth parts I really liked
22:45.28MonetIMO the original film was good, possibly great. Thor 2 was a bit meh.
22:45.33ImpyDroidProbably just preference
22:45.48ImpyDroidIt has more character development than usual for Marvel
22:46.31MonetMarvel stories involve a lot of punching.
22:47.26MonetI'd argue the Civil War and Avengers vs X-Men comics could have been better if the characters weren't os obsessed with beating the crap out of each other.
22:47.55ImpyDroidWell this is comics
22:48.15MonetYes but this isn't the 1970s
22:48.44MonetWe can handle deeper stories than epic fights, surely.
22:49.27MonetI mean in AvX Tony Stark builds a gun that *shaters the Phoenix Force.
22:49.57Monet*shatters* the Phoenix Force*
22:50.26MonetIt has the suped-up X Men tell the United Nations "do not interfere with our desires or we will end you"
22:54.57MonetThen again I guess there would be less conflict had Cyclops not made himself leader of all mutantkind.
22:56.04MonetAnd he learns in the end that in his attempts ot protect his daughter from the outside, he'd turned her home into a prison.
22:56.07ImpyDroidMonet: So I found a theory that Luke and Leia actually went beyond making out and that Kylo is in fact Luke's child
22:56.37ImpyDroidHis condition resulted from inbreeding further magnifying the typical Skywalker traits
22:57.28MonetPreeety sure that moment she kissed luke on Hoth in V she was just trying to annoy Han.
23:00.26MonetAnyway, if it's a theory, what's the evidence ot support the theory.
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23:02.04MonetKylo's strangth could be chance - Disney Canon iirc has Anakin as a virgin birth, rather than a boy made by Plagueis' control over midichlorians.
23:02.29ZF101Hello all.
23:02.33Monethi
23:12.28Xhohttp://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/FN-2199
23:14.14TechnobliteratorYeah, the whole virgin birth thing was one of the stupidest things Lucas ever did. He was such a prat.
23:14.28OluapPlayerOh god
23:14.30OluapPlayer53 goblins
23:14.40OluapPlayerand 14 trolls
23:15.56MonetTechnobliterator: I'd say it's up there with aliens in INdiana Jones.
23:16.07Technobliteratorugh, yeah
23:16.26XhoVirginal conception isn't as bad as Gungans
23:16.33Technobliteratorstill needs to rewatch the original Indiana Jones trilogy
23:17.08Xhokali ma
23:17.12TechnobliteratorI'd argue it's worse. The Gungans you can at least ignore once the prequels are over. Stupid things like midichlorians and Anakin's virgin birth infest the entire Star Wars canon everywhere. ._.
23:17.33XhoMidichlorians are dreadful
23:17.50Technobliteratorthey were such a stupid idea
23:17.50XhoNot so bad with Anakin's virgin birth, I mean he was a prophetic character
23:18.10XhoDid bring balance to the Force by wiping out the Jedi and the Sith but still
23:18.17MonetI like science in my science fiction, but I despite it when my science involves weapons-grade bullshittium.
23:19.12TechnobliteratorStar Wars is much better as a science fantasy than a science fiction, if you ask me
23:19.21DrodoEmpireI consider it science fantasy really
23:19.30TechnobliteratorLike, once you have sounds that can be heard in space, it's really no longer scientific
23:19.40XhoAnd the Force
23:19.59Technobliteratoralso, in Episode V, all they need is a breathing suit and they can suddenly walk around inside an asteroid creature's stomach just fine
23:20.02Monetechnobliterator: I've come ot accept that as more of a cinematic choice than one basedo n science.
23:20.03Technobliteratoralso, an asteroid creature, period
23:20.15Technobliteratorinb4 Ghelae or Wormy_ come up with an explanation for all of those things
23:20.19DrodoEmpireI sorta like the idea of having historical themes in my sci-fi or fantasy
23:20.22Technobliteratoroh, and everything in Episode VII
23:20.30Technobliteratorjust completely and utterly did away with science
23:20.30DrodoEmpire(As if this isn't already obvious <.<)
23:20.42TechnobliteratorLike, the whole of Starkiller base
23:20.44Technobliteratorjust none of it
23:20.47Technobliteratormakes any freaking sense
23:21.01MonetIt's been said that when the developers for the original Star Wars tested an explosio nwith no sound ot an audience, it lost its impact.
23:21.05Technobliteratornazi stormtroopers are so close to a planet destroying death ray that should've torched them
23:21.14Technobliteratorthe death ray freaking travels faster than the speed of light
23:21.18DrodoEmpire^
23:21.18Technobliteratorand the worst sin of all
23:21.29DrodoEmpireEverything being seen at the same time
23:21.30Technobliteratorthey can see the death ray from a planet in a different star system entirely
23:21.31DrodoEmpire>.<
23:21.41TechnobliteratorWHEN IT WAS FREAKING LIGHT YEARS AWAY
23:21.43Technobliterator.______.
23:21.44DrodoEmpire^
23:22.05XhoWhat about the fact that they were sucking a star into it
23:22.11TechnobliteratorYES
23:22.16DrodoEmpireThat starkiller base thing was greasy
23:22.18DrodoEmpireSo bad
23:22.20DrodoEmpireHated it
23:22.20Technobliteratorand then the planet orbits just fine
23:22.21Technobliteratorlives just fine
23:22.23Technobliteratorugggggggggggh
23:22.30MonetStar Wars - What is this relativity that you speak of, is it to do with who Kylo Ren's parent's are?
23:22.31TechnobliteratorStarkiller base just shouldn't have been included
23:22.38TekDroidAlso the fact that the planets it targeted were shown across the sky even though they were in the same, far away system
23:22.46TechnobliteratorIt was basically Death Star 3, it was lazy writing
23:22.49Technobliteratorbut then again
23:22.53Technobliteratorso much in Episode VII is so awesome
23:22.55XhoThe new characters are definitely the best things to come out of VII
23:22.58Technobliteratorthat you can kind of forgive it
23:23.00Technobliteratoroh yes
23:23.04XhoKylo Ren especially
23:23.11TechnobliteratorI'd say Rey is my favourite
23:23.16XhoFor once it's not a one-dimensional villain
23:23.21TechnobliteratorThe only problem with her is she's a bit overpowered
23:23.21MonetStarkiller Logic: The Rebels blew up our predecessor's super-expensive weapon twice, let's build a bigger one!
23:23.22DrodoEmpireRey's... Ehh...
23:23.23DrodoEmpireBad
23:23.29DrodoEmpireShe has good development
23:23.38DrodoEmpireIn terms of backstory
23:23.39Technobliteratorshe has excellent development
23:23.39TekDroidEpisode VII is a good movie but it has some plot problems due to overreliance on being an Episode IV remake.
23:24.07DrodoEmpireBut its never made clear as to how she just *knows* how to run the Falcon, and to use the force, etc.
23:24.07TechnobliteratorEpisode VII being a IV remake was intentional, it was basically just designed to feel familiar and feel more like an OT Star Wars film
23:24.14XhoI'd say my favourite new character is Poe Dameron though
23:24.24TechnobliteratorNotice also at several times in the script they include metaphors for that
23:24.35TechnobliteratorLike, at the start, "this will begin to make things right"
23:24.35DrodoEmpireAt least Luke's growth in actual skill was apparent and gradual
23:24.50Technobliteratorand then "R2-D2 has been in low power mode ever since Master Luke disappeared"
23:24.51DrodoEmpireThe other characters I don't have much issue with though
23:25.00DrodoEmpireThey're pretty good
23:25.05Technobliteratoryeah, Drodo, I agree with you, Rey was way overpowered
23:25.09MonetIn the Falcon's case, it sounds like she has experience with Corellian YT-class freighters.
23:25.11TechnobliteratorBut that doesn't take away from her as a character
23:25.26TechnobliteratorIt's just that the scriptwriting of VII got lazy at times
23:25.30Technobliteratorbut it had so many awesome moments
23:25.33DrodoEmpireIt does imo, but again she's got an interesting backstory and personality so its alright
23:25.42Technobliteratorthat it's so easy to forgive the 9999 plot holes
23:26.04TechnobliteratorI'd say VII was a much better film than IV
23:26.10ZF101I liked Fin the most.
23:26.12DrodoEmpireYeah, SW was never great with the intricacies and complexity of its plots but that isn't why you watch them
23:26.15XhoEh I couldn't compare the two
23:26.16Technobliteratoryeah
23:26.18DrodoEmpireZF: I have to agree
23:26.30DrodoEmpireBut no I like IV more I think, its close though
23:26.32TechnobliteratorEpisode V is the only one with no glaring plot holes that
23:26.44Technobliteratortake away from it much in retrospective
23:26.45DrodoEmpireYeah Episode V was just brilliant all-around
23:27.18XhoThe first one was released in 1977 so the time frame does leave a lot of cinematographic discrepancies up in the air among other things
23:27.40Technobliteratorto me it's V > VII > IV = VI > III >>>>>>> II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> silent cartoons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street performer plays >>>>>>>>>>>>> Episode I
23:28.06XhoMore or less the same
23:28.16XhoDarth Maul was the best thing about the prequel trilogy
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23:28.31Technobliteratoroh, he was
23:28.33MonetXho: It's something of a miracle IV was a success at all.
23:28.38TechnobliteratorBut the film was such a mess
23:28.50Technobliteratorhi liquid
23:28.50MonetStar Wars could easily have gathered dust as a sci-fi B movie.
23:29.12XhoTo be honest Ewan McGregor does a good job as Obi-Wan
23:29.18XhoJust that the script is poor
23:29.25TechnobliteratorEwan McGregor was the best thing about the prequels
23:29.37TechnobliteratorThey wasted Samuel L Jackson and Christopher Lee
23:29.40Technobliteratorand heck
23:29.43Technobliteratorthey wasted Natalie Portman
23:29.55ZF101And Liam.
23:30.19XhoApparently Ewan McGregor is actually floating the idea of an Obi-Wan solo film
23:30.43XhoWell
23:30.44MonetI'm somewhat interestedin Rogue One
23:30.47XhoExpressing interest
23:31.17TechnobliteratorI'm super interested in Rogue One, that looks excellent
23:31.23Technobliteratoryeah, I'd see an Obi-Wan solo film
23:31.53Xho>Mads Mikkelsen
23:31.54Xhooh god
23:33.10MonetStar Wars prequals are a very good example of how you can have the best actors i nthe world, but if the script stinks then unless they're enjoying themselves, they'll appear to stink
23:33.34TechnobliteratorPalpatine did an excellent job
23:33.38Technobliteratorand Obi-Wan
23:33.40Technobliteratorand that was about it
23:33.45XhoUNLIMITED POWER
23:33.45Technobliteratoroh, Jango Fett wasn't bad
23:34.00TechnobliteratorI'd argue Yoda and Windu were fine at times
23:34.16XhoRogue One looks decent though
23:34.17XhoOne thing
23:34.19XhoWhere's Darth Vader
23:34.32Technobliteratorhe'll be in
23:34.36TechnobliteratorBoba Fett probably will be as well
23:34.45Technobliteratorthey won't miss out that fan service opportunity
23:35.20MonetActually a bad script hurts unknown actors more than it hurts legendary actors
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23:36.06XhoI dunno about James Earl Jones voicing Darth Vader though
23:36.06MonetWIth a alegendary actor, you'll know they can act. But a bad script and an unknown actor; even if said actor is good, the opinion will emerge that they suck.
23:36.17XhoHe's in his mid 80s now
23:37.07ZF101_They could always get that guy who voices him in games.
23:37.27Wormy_Technobliterator, Monet, DrodoEmpire:  Here's s
23:37.31Wormy_blah
23:37.44Wormy_Here's a scientific explanation of Starkiller base http://aleph.se/andart2/megascale/starkiller-base-versus-the-ideal-gas-law/
23:37.54MonetAlso don't forget Lenord Nimoy appeared in Into Darkness.
23:38.36Wormy_Though I never got how the beam could be seen from different systems, unless it is A) fired through hyperspace or B) was all in the same system (which I think that scene was)
23:38.49ZF101_Honestly, given how over the top and outright stupid that thing was, the First Order deserved to have it blow up.
23:38.49Wormy_A was kind of described
23:38.57DrodoEmpireWormy_: It should be noted right off the bat that the DS and (probably) Starkiller base weren't made to take over the galaxy, or even for warfare- They were obviously psychological tools to scare the populace
23:39.33MonetWormy_: Yeah honestly once it was brought up that the laser involves dark energy it lost all believability for me.
23:39.47TekDroidWormy_: The planets it blew up were all within the same system but I think the planet they were on was in another system. Which is just part of the FX errors
23:40.12TechnobliteratorWell, that makes a tiny bit more sense - but the issue of being able to see the death rays from another planet bothers me more
23:40.37MonetThe Empire harnesing thep ower of dar kenergy hmm maybe, but this fraction remnant who spen most of their time in the Unknown Regions? Sure, and I huess Zimbabwe has its own version of the Fermilab particle Accelerator.
23:40.38ZF101_I always thought the First Order was supposed to be a bunch of Neo-Nazis wanting to bring the Empire back. How did they build this Over Compensator-class Starkiller?
23:40.40TechnobliteratorI think Star Wars is really missing the science damage control that the EU brought
23:41.00ZF101_Tis but fanfiction!
23:41.07Wormy_What bothers me is the red colouration of the beam, it would appeare as blinding white light, but most of the sepectrum from such a beam would likely be in the gamma range.
23:41.16TekDroidDrodoEmpire: they were definitely psychological weapons rather than conquest ones. Even scenes in Episode IV outright state it.
23:42.03DrodoEmpireRight
23:42.05MonetTechnobliterator: Name me a popular science fiction film/TV show that *doesn't* show visible beams out of laser wepaons.
23:42.47TekDroidEven Starkiller base's target was about throwing the Republic into chaos via a first strike to decimate the Republic fleet and destroying its seat of government
23:43.16Wormy_https://theconversation.com/death-stars-are-a-waste-of-time-heres-the-best-way-to-take-over-the-galaxy-52586
23:43.27TechnobliteratorVisible beams that should be light years away?
23:43.51ZF101_I have another question. Why is the Republic sitting on it's bum and just funding a resistance movement. Shouldn't they be worried about the whole "Empire coming to murder us all" thing?
23:43.57MonetTechnobliterator: As Drodo pointed out, Star Wars is more science fatasy
23:43.59Wormy_^
23:44.31MonetLook at the battle of Coruscant: Apparently being critically damaged means that a starship *has* to fall to the surface of a planet.
23:45.38Wormy_It's already been pointed out that the Starkiller base is a psychological weapon.  But given the manufacturing capabilities required to build such a thing, you are better just sending the swar, of robots to bury or disassemble a planet.  As in fact the Loron are doing in Da Reckoning.
23:45.54TekDroidZF101_: I think other sources state that the Republic didn't want to acknowledge the threat of the First Order so people like Leia started funding the Resistance to do something about them.
23:46.23ZF101_How convient.
23:46.38ZF101_I guess that patches up one plot hole. Time to fill 1,999 others.
23:47.08MonetSo much for restoring the Republic.
23:47.42Wormy_Meh, I just find it convenient to fill such plot holes with my own explanations and ignore canonical explanations if there were any.  They can be fun to think about.
23:47.43TekDroidAccording to the Wiki it had something to do with a disarmament treaty in the Republic.
23:48.25Wormy_And why would the Republic agree to that?  It's lying signing away your ability to defend against your foe.
23:48.33Wormy_*like signing
23:48.59Wormy_Especially if they came victorious over remnants of the Empire
23:49.19ZF101_Shouldn't they be forcing the Empire to disarm, not the other way around?
23:49.26MonetIt would make more sense for a disarmament treaty to be enforced on what's left of the Empire
23:49.39Wormy_And the first sign of militarisation on the First Order's side would surely militerise the Republic again.
23:50.08MonetZF101_: Exactly, It's like the ALlied powers deciding "we defeated the German empire! Let's get rid of all our guns!
23:50.21ZF101_Danke, dumkofs.
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23:50.44ZF101_Yeah, EU handled this whole thing better.
23:50.44Charles_MurrayThat's... exactly what happened
23:50.46Charles_MurrayHistorically
23:50.55ZF101_Kind of.
23:51.33TekDroidWormy_: Digging deeper into the wiki detail... Apparently the Republic didn't totally conquer the empire, but basically just signed a treaty limiting it and it fleet fled to the outer galaxy. Then both groups agreed to disarm only the First Order was out there and didn't follow
23:52.06TekDroidBoth sides disarming to reduce the chance of another war
23:52.10MonetCharles_Murray: Yes but Germany was given severe limits on the size of the military it coudl support
23:52.32ZF101_Hitler went beyond these because of the threat of communism.
23:52.35Wormy_I'm beginning to think J.J. Abrams has an obsession with the colour red.  I.e. Red Matter from Star Trek, red killer beams in Star Wars.
23:52.41MonetCharles_Murray: Here, Imagine if the clauses to disarm and de-tooth the German EMpire were completely left out of the treaty of Versailles.
23:52.54Charles_Murray"signed a treaty limiting it and it fleet fled to the outer galaxy. Then both groups agreed to disarm only the First Order was out there and didn't follow"
23:53.21MonetOh right, my bad, was confusedo n context
23:53.23MonetSo it's more like "out of sight out of mind"
23:53.35Wormy_Does that imply other Imperial remnants exist as well?
23:53.49ZF101_Fingers crossed, Empire of the Hand for the next movie.
23:53.49MonetBecause no one, i nthe history of mankind, ever regretted the unmonitored exile of their hated enemy.
23:54.01TekDroidWormy_: A greatly reduced Galactic Empire apparently still exists.
23:54.12Wormy_Interesting
23:54.35TekDroidThey apparently never destroyed the Empire itself, just beat up most if it then disarmed the rest.
23:54.52Wormy_It's almost like the Legacy era situation of the Sith, the Empire in Exile, etc.
23:56.57TekDroidThe more I read the more it seems like the Allies just went Treaty of Versailles on the empire, then the First Order is their Nazi Germany.
23:57.42MonetTekDroid: The original EMpire had Nazi influences so that doesn't sound like much of a stetch.
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23:58.21TekDroidThe first order just exaggerates the references further.
23:58.50ZF101What did I miss when my internet derped.
23:59.22MonetI swear there's got to be a name for that cinematic trope where unless the scriptwriters were ocnstantly reminding you whose side you're supposed ot be on, the good guys are either incompetent, idiotic or arrogent.

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