IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160428

00:05.01The_RandomnessAlright guys, who wants to hear a really bad pun?
00:05.40Technobliteratorhow bad could it be
00:05.47The_RandomnessAlright then
00:05.55The_RandomnessWhat do you call a nun in a wheelchair?
00:06.27TechnobliteratorI dunno :o
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00:07.03Technobliteratorhahaha
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00:37.58DrodoEmpireHi
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01:13.32DrodoEmpiretest
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01:20.40DrodoEmpireTheDinoHunter: I've just skimmed through your creature, I do like it
01:21.20TheDinoHunterThanks!
01:21.31DrodoEmpireNo problem :D
01:21.51TheDinoHunterI have BIG plans for this creature later on
01:22.09DrodoEmpireAh, great
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02:41.33ZF101Hello all.
02:44.54ZF101ImpyDroid2 I talked to Eco, and he's totally cool with your idea.
02:48.32DrodoEmpireHi ZF
02:48.52ZF101Hello.
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12:41.26AdmiralPandahi all
12:41.39OluapPlayerHi
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13:17.19OluapPlayerHi
13:53.03AdmiralPandaThe Elder Scrolls 6 has been announced, and it's in hippy-elf-land
13:55.37OluapPlayerI see no news of a new Elder Scrolls
13:55.51Wormy_Time to tune in and drop out to the Machine Elves?
13:59.44AdmiralPandawait, my mistake, content update for the MMO
14:00.08AdmiralPandastill hippy-elf-land
14:22.29AdmiralPandaand tomorrow my brand new gaming PC is ready for pickup
14:29.29AdmiralPandaon that note, has anyone installed an OS on a computer before?
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14:35.16Wormy_A very long time ago I installed Ubuntu on my old PC, can't really remember the process.  I did back up all my files however.
14:38.21AdmiralPandaI presume it's not too different to a regular software install
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15:12.45AdmiralPandahi
15:16.27Xhonoun: hapax legomenon   ˌhapaks lɪˈɡɒmɪnɒn : a term of which only one instance of use is recorded.
15:17.37AdmiralPandainteresting, though I don't see the relevance
15:18.38Xho0/10 no fun
15:19.15AdmiralPandacorrect
15:20.45OluapPlayerspot
15:29.36Wormy_https://www.newscientist.com/article/2085745-cassini-gears-up-for-final-fiery-plunge-into-saturns-atmosphere/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=ILC&utm_campaign=webpush&cmpid=ILC%257CNSNS%257C2016-GLOBAL-webpush-CASSINIPLUNGE
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15:35.30GhelaeHello.
15:36.51AdmiralPandahi
15:42.59OluapPlayerHi
15:43.03ImperiosXho: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/e/eb/Sarukhom.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/320?cb=20080417035923
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15:47.25XhoOH DEAR
15:48.26XhoWhoops caps
15:49.23ImperiosWormy_ Ghelae: I just thought about something
15:49.45ImperiosWhat if the super collab race was semi-aquatic?
15:50.07ImperiosTheir agriculture would be linked with water and growing some sort of uber-seaweed, as well as fish
15:50.20ImperiosAmongst more traditional agriculture
15:51.15GhelaeIt would be possible. But if they need to keep their skin moist or if they rely on aquaculture, that will limit where they can have their settlements, at least until irrigation technology becomes highly effective.
15:52.40GhelaeWell, no; if they rely on aquaculture, that will only limit where they can live until they develop terrestrial agriculture. So that's a lot less limiting.
15:55.33GhelaeAre you thinking of the aquatic ape hypothesis here?
15:57.51ImperiosThat too
16:02.19GhelaeSomething like that might sense if they evolved in an interglacial: as water levels rose, their forests became flooded and they were forced to adapt to that.
16:02.54GhelaeAs opposed to here on Earth, where the evolution of hominin bipedalism occured during a period of cooling and drying.
16:04.20ImperiosSo they'd be like fishy reptiles/mammals
16:07.33GhelaeThat depends on what you mean by "fishy". Most aquatic and semi-aquatic reptiles aren't very fish-like.
16:09.42ImperiosHmmmm
16:09.45ImperiosThat made me think
16:10.01ImperiosWith them being aquatic, perhaps the idea of a boat would not come to them as easily as it would to humans?
16:10.21ImperiosPerhaps one of the bigger innovations of the Space Romans was the invention of ships?
16:11.13AdmiralPandaiunno, I think hte idea of a boat would come to them as easily as say a cart to us
16:11.19AdmiralPandaand for exactly the same reasons
16:11.28GhelaeWithout boats, we also might expect only one of the continents to be inhabited, unless we add land bridges between them.
16:12.12ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: A boat perhaps
16:12.18ImpyDroidA full fledged ship maybe not
16:12.51AdmiralPandaa full fledged ship would be the logical extension of a boat really, especially when we consider long distance travel and exploration
16:12.51GhelaeIf the idea of boats comes very easily to them, perhaps the opposite occurs: rather than roads, canals are what cross the landscape.
16:13.33ImpyDroidAye
16:16.06ImperiosNeeds more Veniced
16:16.09Imperios*Venice
16:16.33AdmiralPandafor an aspect of conversation that I can actually contribute to, SPEARS EVERYWHERE as far as warfare goes
16:17.58AdmiralPandaassuming that they do at some point transition to largely terrestrial, their initial cities would be settled in river deltas
16:19.01GhelaeI'm thinking they would just be essentially terrestrial, but hunting and foraging in coastal habitats.
16:19.44ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: So like RL early civilisations but more submerged
16:20.10AdmiralPandain that case yeah, river deltas- especially if you're going with the idea of them needing to keep their skin moist like frogs
16:21.06AdmiralPandaeventually watermoving via aqueducts and archimedes' screws at least would allow settling further inland and away from rivers
16:21.35AdmiralPandaalthough this raises the issue of salinity
16:22.12AdmiralPandaa biological organism conditioned to survive in saline water is utterly screwed if it spends time in non-saline water, and vice versa
16:22.24GhelaeI don't think they would need to keep their skin moist. They should still be descended from terrestrial creatures.
16:22.56AdmiralPandain that case their early settlement patterns may as well mirror humans
16:23.42AdmiralPandainitially along flood plains, then as irrigation developed along the length of rivers, eventually further afield as watermoving developed further
16:24.52AdmiralPandasomething like the Yangtze River Delta may have served as their equivalent of the Fertile Crescent
16:25.41AdmiralPandaand of course remember that population booms around centres of easily-grown staples, the equivalent of wheat, rice or maize
16:26.41ImperiosNow I wonder how large a role aquaculture would play in their society
16:27.31GhelaeTraditional dietary staples might be made of seaweed rather than cereals.
16:27.55AdmiralPandathe issue with seaweed is that it's comparatively low in calories and carbohydrates
16:28.05GhelaeThis is space seaweed. :P
16:28.24AdmiralPandaperhaps their vegetable diet consists of seaweed and another terrestrial staple?
16:28.41AdmiralPandalike the Japanese with seaweed and rice
16:29.00ImperiosOoooh have them have seaweed and rice soup
16:29.08ImperiosThat's what I thought of
16:29.23ImperiosSpeaking of the caste system, maybe there was an
16:29.35AdmiralPandathose two between them have essentially everything you need for balanced nutritional intake, supplement it with fishing and you're basically good
16:29.41Imperiosa social strata of people who work the earth, and a caste of people who operate with water
16:29.57AdmiralPandaImperios: u tryna Tau this arent u
16:30.00AdmiralPanda[purges]
16:30.41Imperios[GREATER GOOD INTENSIFIES]
16:31.48AdmiralPandaGhelae: anyway, that's my opinion, a mix of seaweed and [insert space staple] supplemented by fishing and foraging along the coast
16:33.38GhelaeYes; that diet seems most likely.
16:37.32GhelaeBut seriously, is there a good reason why we would expect the analogs of seaweed on alien planets to be low-calorie, as opposed to mere evolutionary happenstance? Something about the environment preventing them from producing/storing large amounts of starch, for instance?
16:38.06AdmiralPandawell, more the fact that they're algae as opposed to a vegetable's reproductive reserve
16:38.24GhelaeSo no need to store them, simply.
16:38.30AdmiralPandaprecisely
16:38.43GhelaeThat makes sense.
16:39.08AdmiralPandain fairness I should have pointed that out from the beginning, so I apologise about that
16:39.20GhelaeNo worries.
16:40.08GhelaeSo the real agricultural revolution will still involve domesticating a more carbohydrate-rich terrestrial plant.
16:40.21AdmiralPandaessentially, yeah
16:41.04AdmiralPanday'know what'd be interesting? a river delta with a mixed staple, algae and fish combined farm
16:42.02GhelaeI imagine those would exist.
16:42.54AdmiralPandaif it was a paddy kind of staple you could have an initial population boom, before eventual exploration leads to discovering a more terrestrial staple that would help permit further in-land settlement
16:42.58ImperiosFish broth with space rice and seaweede
16:43.11AdmiralPandaand of course Imperios is writing recipes :P
16:44.12GhelaeThere's also shellfish; don't forget that.
16:44.53ImperiosThis is not me, this is just our national cuisine hur
16:45.00ImperiosWell not national
16:45.03Imperios...diasporal
16:45.38Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/3eOPJbG.jpg?1 I made a sketch of a Space Roman warrior
16:45.41ImperiosRemember, I cannot draw
16:46.37GhelaeApparently a wealthy one, given the amount of bling.
16:48.00GhelaeWe could link to that picture on the pad?
16:48.20GhelaeAlso, we should write about this semi-aquatic origin idea.
16:48.46GhelaeI'll do that at the start of the cultures section.
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16:54.54AdmiralPandainternet derped, didn't see much after Imperios linked his picture
16:55.12AdmiralPandawhen you guys get to early warfare btw, give me a yell :P
16:55.26Wormy_Mwah hah hah, I have created virtual lifeforms.
16:56.07AdmiralPandaI am never going to stop laughing at the fact that there's a weapon called a "nunga nunga" (also nulla nulla)
16:58.19ImperiosGhelae: How do I reviewed coursework?
16:58.46GhelaeWhat do you mean?
16:59.14ImperiosWe are supposed to review each other's courseworks
17:01.12GhelaeI don't know. Presumably that means you're meant to assess it the same way whoever normally reviews it does.
17:01.12AdmiralPandayour course provider should have advised you of the means to peer-review, check the task sheet if you have one
17:03.25AdmiralPandamind if I spitball some early warfare ideas while it's stuck in my head?
17:03.37GhelaeGo ahead.
17:04.07AdmiralPandaso if we're talking fishing people, their primary tools would be spears and knives, and military weapons first developed from hunting tools
17:04.55AdmiralPandainitially we basically have a zulu situation, where life is more valuable than land so battle would perhaps largely consist of long-range spear throwing with little in the way of real casualties
17:05.33AdmiralPandawhen you reach the tipping point of land being more valuable than life, we start to care about actually killing people, so throwing spears would give way to shorter, stronger infantry spears, and shields would come into play
17:06.21AdmiralPandaclubs are always a relevant thing, and short spears may eventually give way to rudimentary swords
17:07.09AdmiralPandaas battle becomes more formalised and armies become a thing, you basically have romanisation in terms of military organisation, and perhaps even phalanxes of a sort
17:08.04ImperiosAdmiralPanda: Until a Shaka appears
17:08.29AdmiralPandaImperios: Shaka is way back at the point where land becomes more valuable than life
17:09.01AdmiralPandaranged weapons wouldn't be as much a thing as we're talking a fairly aquatic-based people, beyond the aforementioned throwing spears
17:09.25AdmiralPandaan approximation of the roman Pilum may occur if throwing spears persist in warfare
17:09.29GhelaeWould you like to put this on the titanpad? Alternatively, I could do it and just credit you.
17:09.45AdmiralPandago for it, I'm not involved in the project I'm just spitballing
17:10.07ImperiosAdmiralPanda: I imagine the development of ranged weapons would be a big development
17:10.14Imperiosa big change in history
17:10.24AdmiralPandaImperios: it always is
17:10.43ImperiosMAybe that's how SpaceRome fell
17:10.51AdmiralPandathe development of the crossbow had such a fundamental effect on warfare that it was outright banned
17:10.53ImperiosSurrendered to the wave of dakka
17:11.16Imperiosblblblgaglal I cannot speak
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17:11.27HachimanHi
17:11.31ImperiosSpace Rome defeated by dakkabarbarians
17:11.31AdmiralPandaranged weapon development would basically go along the lines of spear > that islander thing that's basically a fancy spear thrower > maybe crossbow?
17:11.41GhelaeHello.
17:11.45ImperiosHi
17:12.05AdmiralPandaI'ma do a bit of looking into the history of the bow in a while
17:12.10ImperiosAdmiralPanda: That stick that Mesoamericans had for throwing spears? Altepetl/woomera
17:12.11Imperios?
17:12.15AdmiralPandathat's the one
17:12.46AdmiralPandalike the hollow piece of wood you slot the spear into and fling it forward so it kinda levers out
17:17.23AdmiralPandayou know what sucks about prehistoric weapons? there's no f*cking history about how they came into being XD
17:18.03HachimanWell
17:18.27HachimanFlesh-cutting stones were a thing wielded by pre-humans
17:18.47AdmiralPandayeah, but I mean how the fuck do you come up with the concept of the bow
17:18.54AdmiralPandalike, it's not something copied from nature
17:19.25AdmiralPandaactually, I just had an idea, gonna take more research so I'll do it later cus multitasking
17:21.21ImperiosAdmiralPanda: http://satwcomic.com/art/humans-never-change.png
17:21.42AdmiralPandaseen
17:21.44AdmiralPandalol'd
17:21.47AdmiralPandaseen again
17:21.49AdmiralPandalol'd again
17:22.21ImperiosSpeaking of woomeras
17:22.25ImperiosHow about boomerangs
17:23.59HachimanHOW BOUT DEM DIDGERIDOOS CUNT
17:24.35AdmiralPandaabos don't say cunt u nunga
17:24.52Hachimanooga booga
17:25.16ImperiosDidgeridoos too
17:25.18AdmiralPandaanyway, boomerangs could basically be considered fancy throwing clubs for hunting purposes, in our theoretical species' development you're instead looking at throwing spears for fishing
17:26.32AdmiralPandaand didgeridoos are basically just oversized breath/wind instruments, the existence of which depends more on the native trees and the presence of termite-equivalents than the people that live there
17:28.25ImperiosRight
17:28.55AdmiralPandabtw in case anyone's wondering, the prevalence of spears is due to the fact that anything not of a pointy nature is dramatically less useful in water
17:29.10ImperiosHm, perhaps the sword-analogue in the collab culture could be developed from the spear, as opposed to the sickle?
17:29.19ImperiosLike spear -> glaive -> sword
17:29.28HachimanWAT
17:29.30AdmiralPandathat's what I was suggesting, although more like spear > shortspear > sword
17:29.31HachimanSorry caps
17:29.45HachimanI was gonna say
17:29.52HachimanHow do you go from glaive to sword hur
17:30.10ImperiosGlaive is basically a sword on a stick if you think about it
17:30.15Imperios*A glaive
17:30.21AdmiralPandayeah, but used for different purposes
17:30.38AdmiralPandathe more logical progression from the glaive is the halberd
17:30.54Imperiosright
17:31.05AdmiralPandamore likely that they'd make jagged shortspears and from that create rudimentary straight swords
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17:32.00Wormy_New panorama video of Mars curiosity rover at Naukluft Plateau  https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLTiv_XWHnOZofSNYaXYOg9moAgrwmBxQF&v=QI69jN_P3IA
17:32.21ImperiosHi
17:35.38ImperiosWormy_ Hachiman: Apparently there's an initiative to construct a monument to gopniks in Saint-Petersburg
17:35.45Hachimanwat
17:36.22Wormy_meanwhile in Russia
17:36.31ImperiosAs in a literal statue of a giant squatting gopnik
17:37.33AdmiralPandaI mean, Australia likes its bogans, but we ain't raising a monument to them
17:39.57ImperiosAlso I wonder if the super collab species could be partially aquatic
17:40.32AdmiralPandayou wondered that before
17:40.32HachimanI thought the species was just humans with a different name
17:42.04ImperiosAdmiralPanda: As I said I am not thinking straight right now hur
17:42.09ImperiosI was talking to Wormy
17:42.13ImperiosI meant "wondered"
17:43.10Wormy_I saw
17:44.21Wormy_Like Ghel said, they would find a way to spread agriculture inland.  One difficulty is that it may limit our choices, for example nomadic steppe peoples.
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17:46.02Wormy_I also predict qauite a bit of the planet would be arid (cold or hot), with some warm/wet grasslands that could be used for terrestrial agriculture.  However, then I really wonder about what the point is if we are making them semi-aquatic.
17:46.15Wormy_hi
17:46.19GhelaeHello.
17:46.22GhelaeThey wouldn't be obligate semi-aquatics.
17:46.23Monethi
17:46.37AdmiralPandafrom a biological perspective, being partially aquatic would severely limit their travel potential until they essentially develop the wetsuit
17:46.56GhelaeThey're still probably descended from arboreal creatures; just with some coastal adaptations like the aquatic ape hypothesis.
17:48.21Wormy_Once cultural practises develop, they might look less and less dependent on (seaweed production?)
17:48.26GhelaeYes.
17:48.45Wormy_That makes me think this choice isn't a very important one
17:49.01GhelaeIt shouldn't be hugely transformative.
17:49.23GhelaeBut it has given the history a beginning.
17:49.52ImperiosHi
17:49.56Wormy_The_Randomness's critique style has rubbed off on me hur
17:51.21Wormy_I haven't got any reason for it not to be the case
17:56.23Wormy_One thing to add to it actually
17:56.30Wormy_Lowering sea levels
17:57.01Wormy_More shallow water for seaweed and other shallow sea lifeforms
17:59.35GhelaeThat depends on the topography of the seabed, doesn't it?
18:00.11GhelaeBecause on the contrary, one could argue that rising sea levels flooded the coasts and thereby made more shallow water that way.
18:00.57Wormy_It does, yes (but given that many places are likely to experience such if we go for a glacial climate, it's a possibility)
18:01.59Wormy_Oceans tend to become deeper I think, away from the supercontinent, and secondly, more water gets frozen at the poles, especially the Northern one
18:02.51GhelaeSo would some areas have become better for aquaculture and others worse?
18:03.55Wormy_Yes, I don't think one could generalise everywhere under the same rule
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18:04.50Wormy_Depends on the dynamics of the continental shelf, which I'll have a look into later.
18:06.47Wormy_bbl run
18:10.01ImperiosHachiman: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/800c3673554c9c09e33c829c76f31b965cfe15fd11df60a2abb0a21bd22021df_1.jpg Holy shit that crosses the line twice
18:10.14Hachimanolol
18:12.51ImperiosHachiman: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/46a091dd2418189809058989f04240a4ebc33de332bee1bb890fbb16d904d16b_1.jpg
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18:23.56MonetHello
18:23.57GhelaeHello.
18:24.09ZF101Hello all.
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18:51.27Quark8Hello.
18:54.23GhelaeHello.
18:55.09GhelaeGroxkiller has made http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Super_Collab/Drafts/South-Eastern_Island and would like thoughts on it.
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18:56.14OluapPlayerwe're 2spooky
18:56.14GhelaeI'll let you decide whether it's best to go to the titanpad or comment on it here.
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19:17.03OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: poke
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19:17.15OluapPlayerAre you in your bot PC?
19:17.23TechnobliteratorNot yet, will be this weekend
19:17.27OluapPlayershenanigan
19:17.39OluapPlayerI need some links changed
19:44.53Wormy_Ghelae:  Reading it now, will comment on Titanpad
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21:23.06OluapPlayerMonet: The 40 goblin + 10 troll combo returned, but the tables have turned this time around
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21:30.54OluapPlayerMonet_2: The 40 goblin + 10 troll combo returned, but the tables have turned this time around
21:31.06Monet_2Nice
21:31.47OluapPlayerI lured them into a chokepoint, all my military dwarves waiting for them right around the corner
21:31.55OluapPlayerWhat followed were 40 dead goblins
21:32.07OluapPlayerBest part, no casualtis
21:32.10OluapPlayercasualties even
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21:32.25DrodoEmpireayy
21:32.46XhoI'm gonna go to sleep I think
21:33.00OluapPlayerShame you can't butcher sapients because I got enough dead goblins to feed the whole fort
21:33.11OluapPlayerHave nice dreams of kittens and apocalypse
21:33.17Xhok
21:38.05OluapPlayerThere's one dwarf here who's been walking around with a hurt lung for well over a year
21:38.33OluapPlayerChecking her bio, turns out she's actually Dino82's daughter from the old fort
21:38.41OluapPlayerCan't say I expected that
21:39.36Monet_2"My name is Inigo Dinoman82, you killed my mother!"
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22:51.46OluapPlayerMonet_2: I just realized how much of a badass my militia commander is
22:52.39OluapPlayerShe's a legendary Hammerdwarf, Fighter and Wrestler, she's got the most invader kills in the whole fort, and even her bio describes her as "basically unbreakable, unbelievably strong, indefatigable, agile and quick to heal"
22:53.47Monet_2•She *might* be a vampire
22:54.01Monet_2Or she's just that legendary
22:54.23OluapPlayerShe's not
22:54.36OluapPlayerShe's been training in the barracks for a very long time
22:55.39OluapPlayerStill she's leading the kill rank with 9 goblins, 3 trolls and a werecapybara
22:55.57OluapPlayerHer war hammer also turned into a named weapon
22:57.06Wormy_bye
22:57.42OluapPlayerI also got a legendary engraver, every single engraving he makes gives me a "masterpiece" message
23:35.59Monet_2I love masterpiece messages
23:36.02Monet_2So beautiful
23:48.52MonetI got bored and decided to see how the kingdoms of Westeros compared to the old kingdoms of England
23:49.48MonetFrom what I can tell, there's a fair bit of correlation
23:51.13MonetThe kingdoms of the North and the Reach for instance, are probably Westeros' anser to the kingdoms of Northumbria and Mercia.
23:52.47MonetDorne might be Kent, the Stomlands might be Wales or East Anglia.
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23:54.37MonetThe Riverlands is either Wessex or Sussex. Probably Wessex as King's Landing is situated nowhere near the heart of the kingdom, and was close to the border of the Reach/Mercia
23:55.01MonetThe kindom of the West is definitely Wales
23:55.45MonetThe Iron Islands are possibly the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands
23:56.38MonetALthough "Kingdom of the Mountain and the Vale" does sound like Wales.
23:57.03TekDroidIron islands are probably man due to location
23:57.30MonetOKay just found a map that has the Crowlands
23:58.04MonetCrowlands are likely Sussex while the Riverlands are Wessex.
23:59.10MonetOne of the most defining natural features of Wessex was the River hames.
23:59.53MonetThere's not an exact correspondance; the Reach is down south while historically the Empire of Mercia held most of central England.

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