IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160417

00:00.08MonetAnything that happens in EVE usually happens outside of Carebear space.
00:00.57DrodoEmpirehur
00:08.09AdmiralPandaso in Archeage there's a kraken, under which (as in physically under which, at the bottom of hte sea) is the loot point for the rarest ship blueprint in the game
00:08.42AdmiralPandathe kraken spawn was basically mutually declared neutral waters, but also the place where a kraken was so people died a lot
00:08.58AdmiralPandaso naturally what my fleet did was harpoon enemy ships and drag them into the kraken spawn
00:17.29DrodoEmpirehur
00:20.41Wormy_Xho_, DrodoEmpire, Hachiman http://imgur.com/NBeLWDl
00:23.18Xho_ouch
00:23.37Xho_Wormy_: I was just watching a video on inaccesible cardinals
00:23.40Xho_Shit got scary
00:24.23Wormy_Vsauce I guess?
00:24.45Xho_yup
00:25.03Xho_Mathematics was actually interesting for once
00:25.10Wormy_Yeah it got very deep towards the ending
00:25.29Wormy_The philosophy and actually concepts are awesome
00:25.36Xho_must find a way to apply this to the Xhodocto
00:26.17Wormy_Chaos is already very Gödelian
00:26.33Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems
00:26.45Xho_"Fuck axioms" - Santorakh, whenever
00:28.57Xho_Anyway, must sleep
00:29.00Xho_If I can
00:29.50Wormy_Mathematical hypnagogic dreams
00:30.14Wormy_Well I do if I go to sleep thinking anout this stuff
00:30.31Wormy_But i can never remember the visualisation of thought upon awakening
00:30.36Wormy_*or
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01:06.17dino82_hi
01:06.20DrodoEmpireHi!
01:07.07DrodoEmpireTrying a cookies-and-cream Kit-Kat bar...
01:07.17DrodoEmpire...Tastes... Alright...
01:07.22DrodoEmpirePretty good actually
01:07.33DrodoEmpireNot radically different from normal bars though
01:07.55AdmiralPandathe chunky ones are pretty good, the regular ones aren't that different
01:08.00DrodoEmpireAh
01:08.13DrodoEmpireYeah I'm having a semi-regular one
01:08.51DrodoEmpireIt was a big pack of regular-sized kit kat pieces, which them themselves are divided into halfs. So not quite regular but basically so
01:09.00DrodoEmpireSame difference
01:13.15AdmiralPandaI discovered cookies and cream flavoured milk last week
01:13.24AdmiralPandaactually not too bad, but it was liquid so was eh
01:14.56DrodoEmpireEhh
01:15.09DrodoEmpireYeah... How did people get *that* lazy?
01:15.22DrodoEmpireGet a cookie and get a glass of milk, put two-and-two together. >.<
01:17.09AdmiralPandalike you have to have actual cookie y'know
01:17.33AdmiralPandaactually, I had a cookie & cream cheesecake from the local market yesterday, I may have responded in a not entirely mature manner
01:17.46DrodoEmpireOh dear.
01:18.30AdmiralPandait was delicious, and I may have spent the rest of hte afternoon squeeing that it existed
01:19.01DrodoEmpirelol
01:20.25DrodoEmpireOh, panda, have you ever tried HL2RP before? On GMod?
01:23.03AdmiralPandano
01:23.49DrodoEmpireAh
01:24.24DrodoEmpireWell I guess technically its "CombineControl" that I play but its essentially the same thing (but don't tell them that :p)
01:24.55DrodoEmpireIt can be pretty fun, but most of the time it moves at a *glacial* pace.
01:25.18DrodoEmpireYou wouldn't lose too too much by having it entirely text-based, really, but still I enjoy it for what it is
01:27.20AdmiralPandaI play on a clone wars Gmod RP server, though sadly it's more a Gmod community playing on an RP server than an RP community playing on a Gmod server, if you get my meaning
01:27.36DrodoEmpireYeah...
01:27.50DrodoEmpireI've tried Clone wars before, and tbh I was unimpressed
01:28.08DrodoEmpireMostly because they brand themselves as "serious"... Yet use barely-modified DarkRP gamemode script
01:29.03DrodoEmpireMost servers anyway
01:29.26DrodoEmpireI mean that's the killer for me, as it *could* be a good gamemode if provided they use something like Clockwork
01:30.12DrodoEmpireSomething with only text, a slower pace, more atmosphere, and uses flags instead of that godawful job system >.<
01:31.09DrodoEmpireGood scripting like that tends to attract the right sort of people and discourage trolls by denying them their primary tools and in doing so improving the ability to RP seriousl
01:31.10DrodoEmpire*y
01:33.32Wormy_Not ure if genuine but:  "Sound finders were used in World War I to figure out which way enemy planes were coming from" http://i.imgur.com/plajl42.jpg
01:34.28Wormy_portable tv 1967 http://i.imgur.com/vSA1Bq8.jpg
01:34.38DrodoEmpireThey look pretty goofy
01:34.59DrodoEmpireBut at the same time all kinds of crazy improvised shit came out of the trenches so I wouldn;t be very surprised if those are real
01:47.37DrodoEmpireAdded a table, though its all fucked-up looking
01:47.40DrodoEmpireI'll fix it tomrrow
01:47.47DrodoEmpire*tomorrow
01:53.25Wormy_be
02:18.28DrodoCSGOTime to get my ass kicked by people with better skins than me
02:24.31DrodoCSGOCurrently playing the new de_nuke- The only map where bad framerate is a map mechanic
02:24.32DrodoCSGO:p
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05:53.05AnonyLurkhttp://vocaroo.com/i/s1T85P4no8gE
05:53.15AnonyLurkPost your favorite song as a Vocaroo link.
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16:02.54Technobliteratorbleh
16:03.03TechnobliteratorI need to move the Cyrannus front don't I
16:03.07Technobliteratorthis one is definitely on me
16:05.50OluapPlayerCyrannian was here yesterday
16:06.02OluapPlayerBut then he left out of the sudden and didn't come back
16:06.18TechnobliteratorYeah, but he's finished the recent section, so it's my turn
16:06.25TechnobliteratorI need Imp to finish his section
16:10.28XhoKilled scrubs
16:10.30XhoStill bored
16:10.45XhoMan this is the darkest IRC chat ever
16:12.19OluapPlayerNothing we can do about it
16:13.24Xhoamuse me mortals
16:13.35OluapPlayeru amuse me u spot
16:14.03Xhokicks OluapPlayer between the legs
16:14.04Xhoder
16:14.09OluapPlayeru failed
16:15.34Technobliteratorit's really not
16:15.41Technobliteratoryou should see some of the ones I idle on
16:15.45Technobliteratorthis is so active compared
16:29.33Wormy_For something lighter there's a bird called the Greater Honeyguide that has a specific call to humans and shows them where bee hives can be found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_honeyguide
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16:48.45DrodoEmpireHey
16:51.57XhoHachiman OluapPlayer: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/26/Caedes2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160417165105 THE MAN IS A TREE
16:52.52OluapPlayerskelly head
16:54.07DrodoEmpirespoppy skletoes
16:54.09DrodoEmpire<.<
16:54.43Xhofail
16:54.54DrodoEmpire>:
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17:12.52DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfjTlj2WEAA90yF.jpg:large
17:25.14Wormy_lol
17:29.14XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Enamal_Caedes tree
17:29.27OluapPlayerfruit/10
17:29.42Imperios> O?N?E?.? O?N?E.? ?ONE?. O?NE. ONE?. ?ONE?.? ?O?NE.?
17:30.06ImperiosSoldiercaedes
17:30.28Xhosad but tru
17:31.00OluapPlayerSo he's no longer Asv-Aldz's punching bag
17:31.26XhoI thought it was a bit dumb really, the fact he's a product of getting mindfucked by all the crazy Simulacra proved worse than being a punchbag
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17:33.11ImperiosThis reminds me
17:33.28ImperiosSince I had this human corporation in Andromeda as a shout-out to the Empire of Man
17:34.06ImperiosThere should also be an altered human bioengineering company that serves as its rival
17:34.10ImperiosBased on the Dryadali sovereign
17:34.19ImperiosProbably centered around Borealis if OP lets me
17:35.32OluapPlayerYou should work on the actual Sovereignty
17:35.47ImperiosMe?
17:36.18OluapPlayerDon't you own half of it?
17:36.37ImperiosOf the Sovereignty?
17:36.46OluapPlayerYes
17:37.00ImperiosI am not sure
17:37.11ImperiosI have like two races of which only one is truly important
17:38.16ImperiosI once suggested I could help but it was not something large-scale
17:39.20OluapPlayerI was always under the impression you co-owned it
17:39.40OluapPlayerBut yes, you can make your thing in Borealis if you want
17:40.04ImperiosI was under the impression it was co-owned between you and Hachiman
17:40.09ImperiosWith me making occasional contributions
17:40.45OluapPlayerI've no ownership of anything in it
17:42.32ImperiosYou have contributed like half of its races
17:42.59OluapPlayerI have two races
17:43.08OluapPlayerI made Aynach for the Empire but I don't co-own it
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17:45.48The_RandomnessHello
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17:59.18LuxorAyy
18:01.13Imperiosannexes Luxor
18:01.29Luxoroh f*g
18:01.43LuxorYou won't create the Kingdom of Poland again!
18:20.21ImperiosLuxor: No, I will simply take your throne and make into a toilet
18:20.21ImperiosAgain
18:20.27LuxorEh
18:20.40LuxorThere are two things that never changes
18:20.45LuxorWar
18:20.51Luxorand Russian government type
18:20.59Luxor"Propaganda Despotate"
18:22.58LuxorUh, and the polish opinion about Russia.
18:23.19ImperiosI thought you hated Muslims more than us now
18:24.42LuxorBoth
18:25.06LuxorAnd saying that I hate muslims is a huge misunderstanding here
18:25.29LuxorI rather think that islam is simply uncompatible with civilization and common sense
18:25.49Luxor...and being aware of the fact that we are no longer in middle ages
18:28.53ImperiosGo to Kazan and see how wrong you are
18:29.01ImperiosBut I rather won't go too much into it
18:29.36ImperiosBut yeah typical Pole hur
18:29.44Luxorhur
18:29.46ImperiosLong story short, it is the Saudi branch of fundamental Islam, Salafism, that is mostly to blame
18:29.55LuxorIkr, but Kazakhstan is trurly a modern society
18:30.03ImperiosTatarstan not Kazakhstan
18:30.11LuxorI am speaking of Kazakhstan now
18:30.15LuxorI know where Kazan is
18:30.28ImperiosKazakhstan is another example of a (fairly) developed secular mostly Muslim country yeah
18:30.47Luxortrue
18:31.00LuxorDoe yes, i should've said that I mean Arab countries
18:31.27LuxorLoads of crap occurs there
18:40.12XhoHm what to do
18:43.54OluapPlayerthings
18:44.56Xhofukin great 10/10
18:45.04ImperiosLuxor: Again, more of a Saudi influence
18:45.15ImperiosMaybe Israel contributed somewhat
18:45.30Wormy_A lot of it political more than religious.
18:45.34ImperiosIn general I think the further is an Arab country from, well, Arabia (Saudi Arabia), the better it fares in terms of culture
18:45.44ImperiosEgypt (especially pre-Spring), Lebanon for example
18:46.28ImperiosThere's Mauritania though with its slave problem
18:47.36ImperiosMorocco I have not read much about but it is fairly quiet so not so problematic either
18:47.50LuxorBock
18:48.17LuxorAnd if so
18:48.35LuxorTunisia is the only modern arab country that is trying to build democracy
18:48.44ImperiosLebanon
18:48.50Luxor(Not speaking 'bout Turkce cause it already has autocracy)
18:48.53Imperios>Turkce
18:48.58Imperios>modern arab country
18:49.00Imperios>Turkce
18:49.01Imperios>arab
18:49.02Imperios>Turk
18:49.03Imperios>arab
18:49.06LuxorRemove
18:49.33ImperiosYes I fully believe in removing Erdoroach but let's focus on Arab countries
18:50.13Luxorbut
18:50.15Luxorremove
18:50.17Luxorkebab
18:50.49ImperiosYes remove kebab but kebab is not shawarma
18:51.02Luxorshwarma is tasty
18:51.04ImperiosWe were talking about schawarma and couscous, kebab is another country
18:51.23Wormy_Stop.
18:51.37LuxorWell
18:51.41LuxorI am not the one to sustain this
18:51.51Wormy_I'm telling you both.
18:51.54ImperiosOk
18:52.53LuxorIf we are to discuss in slav-style I guess we should do this in pm
18:53.23ImperiosWhile reading about Morocco I found this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Lehnert_Landrock_-_Ouled_Na%C3%AFl_Girl_-_Algeria_-_1905.jpg
18:53.27ImperiosDAAAAAM
18:53.34ImperiosDAAAYUM even
18:54.33Wormy_I've spent half the day studying the history of a) the Holocaust b) the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  I'm not in the mood for this.
18:54.49Wormy_So its best taken elsewhere
18:54.53Imperioshttp://www.frenchcreoles.com/@ARM775~Young-Berber-Girl-Posters.jpg <3333
18:55.00Imperioshttp://plancksconstant.org/blog1/images/sub3/hulyaavsar.jpg <33333333
18:55.12LuxorConclusion: Jews are responsible for every bad thing which ever occured during human civilization existence
18:55.21ImperiosOkay I am officially in love with North African women
18:55.25Luxorinvolving first crime, the giant flood, World War 2
18:55.32Luxorand Commie revolt
18:58.15Luxorhttps://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12791036_345430728914062_6610397792390096704_n.jpg?oh=62f46ef5179e4372cde7c6b923469a90&oe=5780143A
18:59.48Charles_Murraytest
19:00.28Charles_MurrayWormy_ Unless there is consensus in the chat that what they're doing is annoying/counterproductive, it might be best to look away if it's bothering you specifically
19:00.51Charles_MurrayThis is a public chat, and as far as I can see they're not breaking any rules
19:03.37LuxorI'm afraid that April fiction polls are a bit late
19:11.22ImperiosActually yeah wehre are the polls
19:12.47OluapPlayerCyrannian makes the polls
19:12.53OluapPlayerAnd he's been inactive due to college
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19:14.57GhelaeHello.
19:15.51ImperiosLet someone else do it
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19:25.50The_Randomness_freenode pls
19:29.01MonetI agree with Imp
19:30.10OluapPlayerMake suggestions then
19:33.12ImperiosHm
19:33.43ImperiosConfectrix
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19:33.54ImperiosKelodhrosi Commonwealth
19:33.57ImperiosAs for the creatures...
19:34.19ImperiosLet's pick an old one
19:34.35ImperiosActually yeah how about we have old creatures fight each other
19:34.52ImperiosGrims, Rambo, Xhods
19:34.53ImperiosMaybe Libs and my rats
19:37.45ImperiosStories
19:37.57ImperiosI nominate Odyssey of the Desert and Doctrina Venefica
19:38.04ImperiosAs well as
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19:43.44OluapPlayerSome of these have already been featured
19:45.07ImperiosThese were featured years ago
19:45.14ImperiosThey can be refeatured I believe
19:45.15ImperiosAt least Cyr has said so
19:46.04ImperiosI think we can use 2012 stories
19:46.11OluapPlayerSome of these have already been featured
19:46.21OluapPlayerOh you're making the polls
19:46.23OluapPlayerAlright
19:48.18ImperiosOluapPlayer: I believe 2012 and 2013 creatures can be used again
19:48.30OluapPlayerI got it the first time you said it
19:49.32MonetIIRC any creature that was chosen at least a year ago can be re-nominated
19:50.57ImperiosAlright gimme potential characters
19:56.24ImperiosFor the poll
19:57.34OluapPlayerI've no suggestions
19:57.39Imperios...Guys
19:57.41Imperios?
19:57.50DrodoEmpireOh, sorry
19:57.58DrodoEmpireHm
19:58.02DrodoEmpireCharacters I dunno what
19:58.43DrodoEmpireI;m usually not good with nomination in general. >.<
19:59.13Imperios...Screw it I made four characters this month, I'll just fill the poll with four of them hur
19:59.13ImperiosYOU HAVE CHOICE, ME, ME OR ME
20:00.09OluapPlayerThis is featured wiki articles, not featured Imperios pages
20:00.14The_Randomness^
20:01.16Xhoshredded
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20:10.36Tek0516Woo. Biked my way from campus to Parliament Hill.
20:15.36Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:March_and_April:_Featured_Character_Poll
20:16.05Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:March_and_April:_Featured_Story_Poll
20:16.11Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:March_and_April:_Featured_Creature_Poll
20:16.15Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:March_and_April:_Featured_Empire_Poll
20:19.03XhoOluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/13043351_1549847875044660_6734169221508090668_n.jpg?oh=5720e5a528670ea8d26b96193fc6589b&oe=57B9100F
20:19.27OluapPlayerBEES
20:44.06DrodoEmpiretest
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20:47.24GhelaeHello.
20:56.12TybusenHello
21:00.56Tek0516Hello Tybusen. And DrodoEmpire passes
21:03.01Tek0516It's 23°C and there's snow and ice on the ground. O.o https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iSsv2tJv/20160417_164229.jpg
21:03.15Xhowinter is coming
21:03.16Xhoagain
21:07.31XhoWish it was warmer here
21:07.46XhoCurrently 6 C
21:07.49Wormy_Remember when IrskaadServ (Minecraft) when it got taken over by the ice bug?
21:07.49XhoThen again it's 10 pm
21:09.05HachimanThat reminds me
21:09.11HachimanMy boiler broke, so I am left without hot water
21:09.19HachimanI will have to use the kettle to wash
21:09.27Xhoback to 1965 for you
21:10.21OluapPlayerMeanwhile it's 31ºC here
21:10.38OluapPlayerWith a thermic sensation of 40ºC
21:10.43Xho2hot
21:10.45Xho2HOT
21:11.04OluapPlayerI think it was at thursday, the thermic sensation was at 46ºC
21:11.13Xho3HOT
21:11.21Wormy_I would die.
21:11.30XhoThe warmest it's gonna get this week is 14 C
21:11.54XhoThat's t-shirt weather for us
21:12.16Wormy_Yes 14 degrees makes a happy Brit
21:12.55Wormy_Everybody sums up the courage/cheefulness to say "hello"
21:15.18XhoI'm going to Greece in July, it's not gonna be much hotter than 30 C
21:15.21XhoStill 2hot for a brit
21:15.58XhoDown here in the south the hottest it might get is 32 C
21:16.06XhoThat's a rare occasion though
21:16.12Wormy_Same here
21:16.29XhoThe hottest I think it's been down here in recent memory is 36 C but that was years ago
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21:16.47XhoAnything hotter than 25 C kills the xho
21:16.48Wormy_I remember one day in 2006 when it reached 36 degrees C, but then last year had a higher record.
21:17.17Wormy_Tbh I would be happy for it to stay as warm as it gets now for the rest of the year
21:17.55XhoI'd like to have some warmer nights though
21:18.03XhoIt's gonna be like 1 C tomorrow morning
21:18.13XhoFor mid April that's getting tedious
21:18.26Wormy_I'll be travelling through that tomorrow
21:18.49Wormy_Also I like the late summer light that is coming
21:19.00XhoYeah
21:19.07XhoI hate it when it got dark at like 5pm
21:19.11XhoOr earlier
21:19.16Xhohated* as well
21:19.28XhoIt gets dark around 8pm now
21:19.36XhoOr thereabouts, probably a little earlier
21:19.45Wormy_It will be 11'ish by the height of summer
21:20.06Wormy_And dawn again at 3 in the morning
21:20.12Wormy_ish
21:20.21HachimanXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wphawoHiUUg Wait for it
21:21.59XhoGood grief
21:22.33HachimanI DROPPED MY MONSTER CONDOM
21:22.36HachimanTHAT I USE FOR MY
21:22.38HachimanMAGNUM DONG
21:23.37Tek0516http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1460904126-20160417.png
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23:17.55HachimanBut then, the USA healthcare system is fucked
23:17.59TybusenHachiman: If it's ok for you to censor a neo-Nazi, is it ok for a neo-Nazi to censor you?
23:18.10ImpyDroidXho: Fatimanis al-Wardiin and her lover, Peteler
23:18.21HachimanTybusen: Hm I see your point
23:18.30TechnobliteratorHachiman, if you start to limit free speech, you only allow the sentiments to grow, and you open up the possibility of anyone censoring you
23:18.33MonetWhen the government is granted the power to revoke free speech for groups like the KKK or WBC, what's to say they don't silence something like Gay Pride or Black Lives Matter?
23:18.39TechnobliteratorIt's better to defeat bad ideas with better ideas
23:18.42DrodoEmpire^
23:18.47HachimanBLM should be silenced
23:18.50HachimanFuck that shit
23:18.53DrodoEmpireYeah...
23:18.55HachimanPro-black anti-white racists
23:18.57TechnobliteratorThat's why free speech works
23:19.02DrodoEmpireBLM's a bit crazy but the point remains
23:19.05ImpyDroidPut them all into one arena plz
23:19.07TechnobliteratorBecause the good ideas will float to the top
23:19.07HachimanAgain, not an equality movement
23:19.10ImpyDroidAnd let them fight
23:19.20DrodoEmpireStill, we can't censor them- Only ridicule them
23:19.20TechnobliteratorBLM do some stupid stuff
23:19.30Technobliteratorthey basically hurt their cause
23:19.34XhoImpyDroid: The Islamist Hunger Games: Mockingoryx Part II
23:19.39Technobliteratorjust like tumblr "feminists"
23:19.39ImpyDroid(I am not speaking seriously but still imagine this)
23:19.43Technobliteratorhave basically destroyed their cause
23:19.46ImpyDroidHere it goes
23:19.55TybusenBLM had a good cause at the start but they've been bogged down by their lack of centralization and high proportion of egotistical idiots
23:19.57*** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (cb198d07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.25.141.7)
23:20.05TechnobliteratorI agree, Ty
23:20.07Technobliteratorhi panda
23:20.10HachimanFUCK AUSTRALIA REMOVE KANGAROOS
23:20.11AdmiralPandahi all
23:20.12DrodoEmpireTech: The thing with BLM is that they have some genuine grievances- Black people in the united states tend to have it pretty bad but BLM isn't the answer
23:20.14HachimanOh hi Panda
23:20.23TechnobliteratorOf course they do
23:20.23AdmiralPandaFUCK YOU KANGAROOS WILL CASTRATE YOUI
23:20.26ImpyDroid2 Islamists, 2 White supremacists, 2 BLM activists, 2 WBC members, 2 Tumblr feminists, 2 Sargonbots
23:20.32ImpyDroidPut them into one small area
23:20.39ImpyDroidGive them all roughly comparable weaponry
23:20.50MonetHachiman: My point is once you give the state the power to silence the voice of some groups, what's to say they won't one day silence groups that aren't harmfu lexcept to the status quo?
23:20.55ImpyDroidFeminists and Sargonbots being non-combatants get a little bit more
23:20.56TechnobliteratorThat's my ponit, that hese groups have hurt their cause so badly
23:20.57XhoHow did we get here from Ted Cruz = Zodiac Killer anyway
23:20.58DrodoEmpireAgain I disagree with the whole sargon thing but whatever
23:20.59ImpyDroidLock them up
23:20.59TybusenTheir original goal, which was addressing undue police brutality towards black people, is a noble goal, but they've grown too big and have no focus anymore
23:21.01ImpyDroidWATCH
23:21.06Hachiman"My wife was giving me suggestive hints earlier about a sex toy she wanted, she said "it begins with D and ends with O". I have no idea where I am going to get a didgeridoo from"
23:21.18TechnobliteratorThey basically have turned people off them
23:21.26AdmiralPandaHachiman: find a tree with termites
23:21.32HachimanOh God
23:21.56AdmiralPandathat's actually how you do it, how else did you think they hollowed out the branch?
23:22.05HachimanThey hollowed it with tools?
23:22.08XhoStrayan drillin'
23:22.16Charles_BotTybusen : Welcome to populism
23:22.17ImpyDroid>Aborigines
23:22.18TybusenI understand the underlying message of BLM and I support addressing the serious systematic racism towards black people, but BLM's reputation makes it hard to talk about the situation without their antics coming up
23:22.22ImpyDroid>tools
23:22.27XhoImpyDroid: >Aubergines
23:22.34Hachiman>Envelopes
23:22.54ImpyDroidAs I said
23:23.00ImpyDroidExtremist hunger games when
23:23.12TybusenThe thing is, BLM would probably be a much stronger movement if they had managed to get organized, centralized, and focused before they were overtaken by the idiots and radicalists
23:23.13DrodoEmpiresargon being an extremist k
23:23.14ImpyDroidI only hope they do receive that in hell as punishment
23:23.23ImpyDroidSargonbots
23:23.29ImpyDroidNot Sargon
23:23.30DrodoEmpireWho're they even?
23:23.33XhoSeriously though how did we get here from Ted Cruz
23:23.36HachimanSargon is like a meninist Anita Sarkeesian lol
23:23.39TybusenMLK and his Civil Rights movement was able to get some real change through by being centralized, focused, and mobilized
23:23.42DrodoEmpireHardly. :p
23:23.42ImpyDroidSargon attracts followers much crazier than him
23:23.53DrodoEmpireEhh he attracts a mixed crowd sure
23:24.04HachimanI mean, just look at yourself Drodo
23:24.20DrodoEmpireChoose your next words carefully bud
23:24.27HachimanDon't call me bud, chum
23:24.50Xhogood lord
23:24.55DrodoEmpireThen tell me what you meant by that, bud
23:25.29HachimanNow listen here my buddy chum pal friend buddy pal chum bud friend fella bruther amigo pal buddy friend chummy chum chum pal
23:25.33Monetputs a helmet on
23:25.57DrodoEmpireTybusen: Had BLM gotten organized beyond dumbass college kids then their ideas could've been less radical and more focused yeah
23:26.20TechnobliteratorWell, MLK was explicit about being non-violent in his approcah
23:26.24TechnobliteratorBLM have been violent many times
23:26.27HachimanI don't mean to be rude my friend pal home slice bread slice dawg but I gotta warn you, if you take one more diddly darn step right there I'm going to have to diddly darn snap your neck
23:26.30TechnobliteratorAnd extremely obtrusive
23:26.32TybusenMLK was also a strong central figure for his movement
23:26.43TybusenAgain, my point about centralization and focus
23:26.49Charles_BotThat's not quite it
23:26.52TybusenBLM lacks focus, and so they are a weak and ineffective movement
23:26.55TechnobliteratorHard to really care for your cause when you scream about how racist people are
23:26.55DrodoEmpireAnd actually address issues such as economic problems and the deterioration of the traditional family in the black community which are big problems
23:27.00MonetIs there a leader for BLM?]
23:27.02TechnobliteratorAnd assume any white person is racist
23:27.03DrodoEmpireNot really
23:27.05Technobliteratorit's just so sad
23:27.08TybusenBLM has no leader
23:27.16HachimanMonet: Tyrone, King of Da Niggaz
23:27.17Technobliteratorbecause it means so few people notice real racism
23:27.48TybusenTheir original rallying figure was Michael Brown but it's kind of spiraled out of control, and Mike Brown was found to have been guilty of shoplifting before he was shot
23:28.03ImpyDroidWell
23:28.09ImpyDroidI think all of us are racist
23:28.14ImpyDroidSo in a sense this is true
23:28.16HachimanThe actual leader of BLM is Dindu Nuffin
23:28.18Technobliteratorwhat
23:28.21Charles_BotBPM was centralized and organized, and they weren't very effecitive
23:28.23Technobliterator._.
23:28.32Xhoremove white
23:28.52TybusenBPM was a smaller group, though, from what I remember
23:28.55DrodoEmpireI don't think so, Impy. :p
23:28.56ImpyDroidWe all make judgements based on appearance and race in particular, even if we do unconsciously
23:29.01ImpyDroidIt is a matter of biology
23:29.04TybusenI'm talking more movements on the scale of BLM, Occupy, etc.
23:29.13DrodoEmpireIf it doesn't affect my conscious decisions then I'm not concerned
23:29.19TechnobliteratorOccupy did such an awful job
23:29.26HachimanLike how Japanese grills are all flat-chested
23:29.34MonetSuch great ideas, such haphazard execution
23:29.44ImpyDroidAy
23:29.49TechnobliteratorImpyDroid, that's prejudice, not racism
23:29.50TybusenMLK's movement managed to stay organized even once they broke onto the national scale
23:30.01TechnobliteratorRacism is if you think you are superior because of it
23:30.18ImpyDroidWell that is quite prevalent as well I think
23:30.18TybusenI mean, it's true that we are psychologically wired to be prejudicial, which can include racism
23:30.22DrodoEmpireRacism is prejudice based on race. Racial supremacy is what you defined
23:30.22XhoHachiman: WELCOME TO THE RICE FIELDS MOTHERFUCKER
23:30.30TybusenBut that doesn't mean we can't make a conscious effort to not be racist
23:30.35ImpyDroidAye we should
23:30.59DrodoEmpireWell, uh, for me its a matter of not really caring about the nationality of somebody. :p
23:31.03DrodoEmpireI need not make it an effort
23:31.06HachimanHEY ESÉ, I BROKE INTO YOUR CAR
23:31.24XhoOkay that's got me linguistically confused
23:31.38XhoHm so it is esé
23:31.47XhoWell the more you know
23:31.54DrodoEmpireI'm quite concerned if somebody needs to consciously suppress a racist feeling. :p
23:31.54HachimanI don't even know what the word means hur
23:32.33XhoDude, man, etc.
23:32.41HachimanDudebro
23:32.57TybusenDrodoEmpire: I always try to avoid conscious racism, and even then I try to look at my own actions from time to time to see if I'm being unconsiciously racist
23:33.02XhoI misread that as Daedra
23:33.07XhoToo much Oblivion
23:33.27ImpyDroidMaybe it's just because we and Tybusen are Asian and Asians are racist in general hur
23:33.51HachimanShame you cannot drive cars to save your lives
23:33.57ImpyDroidWhich is in itself a racist saying against Asians which only serves to prove my point which is thus in itself racist ad infinitum
23:33.57Xhooooooooooooooooh
23:34.14XhoUnfortunately I've been victim to that racial stereotype
23:34.16ImpyDroidHachiman: It is all a matter of context
23:34.20XhoGot cut up by an asian driver
23:34.29HachimanWith his katana or
23:34.31ImpyDroidRemember who I am living with
23:34.33XhoOOOOOOOOH
23:34.43ImpyDroidLike it is very easy to be comparatively good at driving
23:34.45ImpyDroidIN RUSSIA
23:34.58DrodoEmpireTybusen: I don't really see how one can be unconsciously racist, unless someone was brought up by racist people. :p It sounds more like presuming the offense of people who aren't the same ethnicity as you tbh
23:34.59TybusenI don't know if they've conducted any studies recently regarding whether the Asian driver stereotype has a grain of truth in it still
23:35.01XhoYou drive cars warped and damaged to a non-euclidean degree
23:35.10DrodoEmpireI mean good thing you're self-aware, don't get me wrong
23:35.15TybusenDrodoEmpire: Oh, people can definitely be unconsciously racist
23:35.17DrodoEmpireBut self-aware about *what*
23:35.34HachimanAye I agree there
23:35.37HachimanSubconscious racism
23:35.43TybusenWe tend to pick up unconscious racism from socialization
23:35.43DrodoEmpireMay I have an example?
23:35.53DrodoEmpireDo you mean things like little biases?
23:36.04XhoTybusen: Is that sociological socilaisation or just general socialisation
23:36.09TybusenIt can be as simple as clutching your purse more tightly when you see a black person walk by
23:36.17TybusenXho: It can be both
23:36.30ImpyDroidTybusen: It has more to do with culture rather than actual race I think
23:36.54ImpyDroidSimply enough China and the like have less experience with cars than European countries
23:36.55TybusenWell, that's what socialization in the sociological sense is
23:36.58DrodoEmpireIn that case, quite possibly. But really I'm not too concerned if it doesn't affect my conscious decisions. :p
23:37.00ImpyDroidStill better drivers than Russians
23:37.18XhoRight I need to go to sleep
23:37.28HachimanFUCK OFF K THX BAI
23:37.30TybusenDrodoEmpire: I guess we just hold ourselves to different standards, which is fine
23:37.31DrodoEmpireI get along fine with people who aren't whiter than vanilla ice cream (like myself), for example.
23:37.32Xhocunt
23:37.35HachimanCnut
23:37.36DrodoEmpireRight
23:37.40XhoKnutr
23:37.42DrodoEmpireI think I get what you're saying anyway
23:37.46HachimanNutter
23:37.52XhoRONNIE PICKERING
23:37.58HachimanWHO THE FUCK'S THAT
23:38.00XhoRONNIE PICKERING
23:38.06HachimanWHO
23:38.26XhoR҉̗͍̲͔͙̭ͅO҉͈͕ͅN͏N̘̗̫̮̭I̞͓̩̳̣̼̼È͙̟͎͕̤ ͓͚̯̯P̥I̮̗̼̥C̢̻̟͕͉̼Ḵ͎̬̥̮͠E̙̣͠R͏͈̻I͇̪͓͚͔N̹̮͖͚Ģ
23:38.38DrodoEmpireWell I mean, so long as said person isn't an asswipe, then I won't get along fine. :p
23:39.06TybusenA lot of subconscious racism can be things that will hardly be noticed by the "victims," I just personally try to cut back on my subconscious racism because I wouldn't want to be responsible for anyone ever feeling uncomfortable on a basis of race
23:39.32DrodoEmpireRight
23:40.11ImpyDroidTybusen: I think in the black example you mentioned class plays a large role as well
23:40.35ImpyDroidFor example I doubt you'd hold your purse if Ainsley was walking nearby
23:40.52ImpyDroidOr Idris Elba or any other middle-class or upper-class black man or woman
23:41.06TybusenImpyDroid: Thing is though that, at least in the US, race has a correlation with class partly due to systemic racism
23:41.22DrodoEmpireI mean of course not, I'd praise Ainsley's oiling-up abilities
23:41.40TybusenWell obviously
23:42.06TybusenOiling up transcends all social boundaries
23:42.33TybusenA well oiled man is well oiled regardless of race, creed, or sex
23:42.51ImpyDroidTrue that
23:43.26DrodoEmpireDue to the legacy of such racism at least. Like I said, many black people have it pretty bad, what with inadequate housing, poor-paying jobs, and the destruction of the family unit.
23:43.29HachimanGet Ainsley to solve the oil crisis
23:43.30DrodoEmpireAmong a million other things
23:44.14DrodoEmpireAs for systemic racism in the modern day I dunno- If I understand the definition correctly, then you're going to have to point to a law or an instrument of government that discriminates based on race and is not a universal
23:45.16TybusenAs far as I understand it, racism is not really written explicitly into law, but the nuances of law as well as leftovers from past racism and personal racism are what lead to modern systemic racism
23:46.16TybusenI think public education has a tendency to be under-funded in regions that have higher proportions of blacks, Hispanics/Latinos, or other ethnic minorities
23:46.20DrodoEmpireIf it isn't written as part of a system, then it isn't systemic. It *may* be endemic but seeing as most americans in most regions do not think of themselves or come off as racists I'm skeptical of that claim as well
23:46.37DrodoEmpireIt may very well be
23:46.43DrodoEmpireInner-city schools have a horrible reputation
23:46.56DrodoEmpireThat can disproportionately affect minorities living in that area
23:47.21DrodoEmpireOr, more specifically because many minority peoples live in that area and make up most of the school population
23:47.41DrodoEmpireBut now link that to racist policies or the prejudices of the government
23:47.46DrodoEmpireOr whoever's funding it
23:47.50TybusenThey have also found that blacks are disproportionately detained or imprisoned for drug charges relative to the proportions of whites who are use drugs
23:48.03DrodoEmpireAgain, not saying there isn't a problem, becuase there is. But the cause of it must be accurately pinned down
23:48.36TybusenLike I said, systemic racism and personal racism are both much more subtle today than they were 50 years ago, so it's harder to pin it down where it lies
23:49.07DrodoEmpireMy point is that it may not be blatant racial prejudice at all causing it, nor a racist system
23:49.22TybusenSome instances of systemic racism may not even be conscious, they could be the result of personal unconscious racism pervading parts of the system
23:49.23DrodoEmpireWhich doesn't mean there isn't an issue disproportionately affect a racial minority
23:49.27DrodoEmpireAs there clearly is
23:49.46DrodoEmpireBut that's completely unchangeable, and impossible to prove
23:50.01DrodoEmpireSo we can't really fix that assuming it so much as is an issue
23:50.17DrodoEmpireI see it like this0
23:50.33DrodoEmpireAre there racist people in positions of power? Of course, there's bound to be, and they
23:50.40DrodoEmpire*they're probably part of the problem
23:50.47Hachiman"I don't know how anyone can say they're vegan while still eating dick and ass."
23:50.55DrodoEmpireAre they the sole cause, or even a large part of the cause? Probably not I have to conclude
23:51.03DrodoEmpireThis is me being skeptical is all
23:51.15TybusenI think it's also an issue of the lasting economic effects of past racism, and a correlation with the fact that economic mobility is a problem in modern US society, at least
23:51.23DrodoEmpireOh I definitely agree there
23:51.37DrodoEmpireThe legacy of racism lives on in the economic positions of a lot of people
23:53.21TybusenI know that in the University of California system, blacks are majorly underrepresented compared to Asians and Whites, and it may have to do also with the fact that the UCs probably prefer to admit high-income applicants and that blacks as a whole are economically disadvantaged
23:54.30TybusenI think, in the modern age, racism has become less of a social issue feeding an economic issue, and is now much more an economic issue feeding a social issue
23:55.15DrodoEmpireRight
23:55.17HachimanMan, fuck it; I decided the only true religion we should be following in the 21st Century is Juggaloism
23:55.45HachimanFire, water, air, and dirt; fucking magnets, how do they work
23:56.51Tybusen"The four elements lived together in peace and harmony, but then everything changed when the Magnets attacked"
23:57.00DrodoEmpiredarn
23:59.04DrodoEmpireI swear every time a person logs onto a CloneWarsRP server a kitten cries.

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