IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160416

00:17.59Charles_BotHai
00:18.10Charles_BotTybusen Hai :D
00:18.13DrodoEmpirewaves
00:18.15DrodoEmpireOh
00:18.16DrodoEmpire>:
00:18.20Charles_BotHai :D
00:18.22TybusenOhayou
00:18.27DrodoEmpireHai
00:18.27DrodoEmpire:D
00:18.31Charles_BotLol
00:18.34DrodoEmpireOhio?
00:18.43Charles_BotCorn
00:18.58Charles_BotTybusen : Did you see the French Empire's new relations section?
00:19.03TybusenIndeed I did
00:19.10Charles_BotWhat do you think? ^.^
00:19.40TybusenIt's an interesting new format and I think it suits France stylistically
00:19.44DrodoEmpire^
00:19.46DrodoEmpireYeah I agree
00:20.03DrodoEmpireAnd as for that last point- I should note that its probably not for every nation
00:20.09DrodoEmpireJust personally
00:20.23Charles_BotHow so?
00:20.30TybusenThat's true, I don't think I would personally use it myself for the TIAF
00:20.39DrodoEmpireWell, its a bit deeper and maybe... I dunno
00:20.51DrodoEmpireDon't wanna say "less personal" because that isn't quite tre
00:20.52DrodoEmpire*ue
00:20.56DrodoEmpireSomething like that anyway
00:21.26DrodoEmpireNo one thing I can point to and say, it just seems like its a bit more complex, and the focus is on a few nations of interest
00:21.38DrodoEmpireNot every fiction needs or wants that I suppose
00:21.43DrodoEmpireIts a great system though
00:22.00TybusenIt's good for fictions that have a basis or focus on politics and economics, I'd say for one
00:22.06Charles_BotRight, I intend to pair it with a much more comprehensive system for regular relations
00:22.06DrodoEmpire^
00:22.10DrodoEmpireAhh
00:22.24DrodoEmpireWell once I see that system also I'll probably take back what i say
00:22.26DrodoEmpireStill though
00:22.49Charles_BotIt's a kind of "at a glance" thing
00:22.52TybusenIt's not quite as suited for my fiction which has a less solid base in politics and economics and is more focused on characters
00:23.43Charles_BotRight, though its strength is less on its detail and more on its ability on delivering a lot of information (if you so choose) at-a-glance
00:24.01TybusenYeah, that's the big strength of it
00:24.10DrodoEmpire^
00:24.16TybusenAll the relevant information is there in a convenient package
00:24.34Charles_BotMeaning that you can pretty much only have that, and already convey a lot of background information on which character stories can be built
00:25.20TybusenI just personally like having the little in-character blurbs for my own relations pages, personally :U
00:25.49DrodoEmpireYeah that's fair
00:26.15Charles_BotSure
00:26.16DrodoEmpireI personally found them a bit of a chore ('cause I was bad at them <.<) but yeah
00:26.31Charles_BotThe text can be replaced with quotes, I suppose
00:27.48Charles_BotAny news on the Bunsen story?
00:28.17TybusenAs in the GSC-Eldarisian War? No updates as of yet
00:28.35TybusenI think I still need to talk to KA again about that
00:55.04DrodoEmpireDid some basic math just for fun- Apparently there is roughly 2.7 trillion Borderlanders in the entire ethnicity
00:55.34DrodoEmpireMore precisely 2664 billion, but I'm gonna give or take a few billion
01:03.16DrodoEmpiretest
01:04.49ZF101Bye bye guys.
01:46.36Wormy_right I'm off
01:46.39Wormy_bye
04:05.54Vincent20100Hey!
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09:46.35Wormy_hi
10:06.45ImpyDroidHi
10:07.05ImpyDroidYou know any good videos or articles on Taoism? I would like to read more about it
10:08.10Wormy_Yes
10:08.29Wormy_Oh not really articles, I had a couple of books
10:09.22Wormy_The Te of Piglet, and Secret of the Golden Flower
10:09.39Wormy_The second one I don't understand at all
10:14.08ImpyDroid>Piglet
10:14.12ImpyDroidWait what
10:14.29Wormy_The Tao if Pooh asnd the Te if Piglet
10:14.43Wormy_Yeah Taoism explained through the Winnie the Pooh
10:15.59Wormy_Tbh I don't understand to a great length but I've done Tai Chi and Qigong which involves visualisations from Taoist cosmology
10:16.09Wormy_<PROTECTED>
10:17.40ImpyDroidSpontaneously
10:17.49ImpyDroidSo operating more on gut feeling and the like?
10:18.46Wormy_Perhaps, yes.  But the way I interpret it is something like Buddhism.  We believe in duality to our perception and thought processes.   Eastern philosophy is about unasking dualities to transcend them.
10:18.58Wormy_*They believe in
10:19.34Wormy_A duality might be some psychological barrier one always creates even subconsciously
10:20.16Wormy_Taoists have a rich description of Yin and Yang in the world, however I believe they believe in transcending it
10:22.29Wormy_Hm, like a Gestalt, a synthesis of something new from all the parts
10:23.21Wormy_I suppose they are tapping into that flow we all feel when working on something we like in a professional state
10:26.26Wormy_Alan Watts was one of the first to introduce Eastern ideas to the West in modern times, plenty of videos of him.  But he wasn't preachy.
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10:39.04Wormy_ImpyDroid:  School of Life channel has some videos on Taoism etc.
10:40.11Wormy_hi
10:52.32MonetStar Citizen currently free to play for a week.
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11:06.46Wormy_Didn't even know it was out
11:07.58MonetIt's been in public alpha/beta for a while
11:08.03MonetThis is a promotional week
11:08.46Wormy_Eh, I'm gearing up for NMS
11:10.06MonetYou might like NMS more
11:10.25MonetSC seems more geared towards fans of Elite.
11:10.36MonetOr Wing Commander
11:11.34Wormy_I get that impression
11:12.29Wormy_I really hope the NMS devs make the survival and crafting element rewarding though
11:13.26Wormy_I play Space Engine with no gameplay, so obviously I would like exploring NMS.  But if they are gearing towards a sandbox style game, I need to be able to leave my mark of influence and creativity on it.
11:13.37Wormy_I'm not even sure if you can modify your own ship
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11:14.20Wormy_The intriors of buildings and stations made me think of cardboard boxes
11:16.25ImperiosWormy_ Ghelae AdmiralPanda: I just had a thought about the mass collab
11:16.37ImperiosHumans IRL are very genetically uniform compared to most animals, right?
11:16.48ImperiosAnd there is a theory that we came through a bottleneck even at some point in our history
11:17.55MonetIndeed
11:18.55MonetThough in regards to evolved features, humans might seem uniform because we're better adapted ot recognising each other by appearance
11:19.41MonetMany animals use semll to identify each other. ANd coat markings are one possible way to help be identified by other family members
11:19.45Wormy_I agree with both lines.
11:20.23ImperiosNow one way to introduce many humanoid races to our world is by implying that, unlike the humans on Earth, our main humanoid species never went near-extinct and thus retained much more genetic diversity
11:20.59ImperiosSo Star Trek-ish races would be just natural subspecies of our main species, either native to the main planet or somehow transplanted to other worlds
11:21.54MonetI think we could manage the former based on how varied humans can be
11:23.26Monet<PROTECTED>
11:23.29ImperiosMaybe our world was just larger and more diverse than Earth in fact
11:27.24Wormy_If you allow the humans/human-like species to become isolated for long periods, interesting features like dwarfism can result
11:28.13Wormy_Like Homo floresiensis
11:28.31ImperiosA flair of space fantasy that is not Fictionverse-style space fantasy
11:28.35ImperiosI am intersted hur
11:29.46Wormy_There was a Stephen Baxter story of a world created by future humans which consisted of multiple histories stitched together.  There were birdlike humans, seal-like humans and many more all inhabiting the same world.
11:38.04GhelaeYes, this idea sounds reasonable.
11:40.05Wormy_bye
11:40.08GhelaeIt doesn't allow a huge degre of variety... but to the extent of Star Trek humanoids, and perhaps even the Capricyranae, it would work.
11:40.57Wormy_awayHereditary disease can effect whole communities
11:41.18Wormy_awayI think a small group of people were unearthed with melon shaped skulls
11:42.50Wormy_awayThought to be a different species at first
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11:56.15Tek0516Ugh. Two back-to-back exams today. One of them an essay.
12:00.53MonetOuch
12:04.09Tek0516Essay is on Britain during the world wars, which we have two hours to write. We got the topics in advance: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KpMs5LjP/
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12:14.42JepardiHi
12:15.22GhelaeHi
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12:35.56MonetHello
12:36.00Xhomeow
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12:37.28Liquid_InkTrue suffering is a download speed of 1 KB/s
12:38.16Xhogood lord
12:38.39OluapPlayerHi
12:38.44Xhoih
12:39.35XhoMy audio interface keeps fucking up my computer so I've been demoted to monitor speakers
12:41.20MonetOuch
13:11.59ImpyDroidis a monitor speaker pleb
13:12.05ImpyDroidDownshifting ftw
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13:18.37DrodoEmpireHi everyone
13:34.13GhelaeHello.
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14:31.48TekExamsI just wrote a five and a half page (double spaced) essay in less than two hours for that exam.
14:32.43DrodoEmpireWow
14:32.48DrodoEmpireGood job :D
14:36.23OluapPlayerXho: http://www.garryspin.com/
14:37.59DrodoEmpireohgod
14:38.43TekExamsTL;DR Britain in the World Wars wasn't the brave heroic place that wartime propaganda claims and the bias negatively influence how we view history.
14:38.43TekExamsTL;DR of the TL;DR People make other people think Britain was better than it actually was.
14:38.52TekExams10:38 AM <TekExams> TL;DR of the TL;DR People make other people think Britain was better than it actually was.
14:40.42TekExamsAnd now having done that I have a three hour exam after lunch.
14:41.44OluapPlayerXho: "Sometimes I forget Garry is a real person and not some made up internet character we invented back pre-2011"
14:42.56MonetTekExams: I remember hering there were a lot of issues with the black market in wartime
14:45.21Wormy_away"Gold had these natures: greatness of weight, closeness of parts, fixation, pliableness or softness, immunity from rust, colour or tincture of yellow.  *If a man could make a metal that had all these properties, let men dispute whether it be gold or no.*" Francis Bacon
14:45.42Wormy_awayGives a window into the minds of alchemists
14:45.48TekExamsI mostly went over a list of everything I recalled from the class. Paragraph topic I can remember... Not wanting to insult veterans biases things, Britain's class divide was still significant during the war, the wars were as significant for Feminism as they claim...
14:46.22Wormy_awayIt might not have been about making gold, it was about making a metal like gold by manipulating it's inner structure
14:48.42MonetTekDroid: Back then iirc the idea of women in factories was not neccesserily empowerment to women
14:48.55MonetIt was a logical choice as so many men went to war.
14:49.48GhelaeWormy_away: Or it could have been an insight that what makes things what they are is their physical and chemical properties; there is no intrinsic "gold-ness" besides that. Naturally this was before nuclear physics provided a better way of defining the elements.
14:51.06DrodoEmpireMonet: Though empowering women was a positive side-effect
14:51.14DrodoEmpireThat eventually led to equal rights and whatnot
14:51.24MonetIndeed
14:51.24Wormy_awayIt probably does relate, as the alchemists did come to appreciate unseen properties beneath the appearance of the metal.
14:51.48TekExamsMonet: and in the post-war female employment had basically reverted to pre-war levels.
14:53.35TekExamsThe details of my essay may not be right, i did do it from memory with no notes allowed in less than two hours.
14:53.41TekExams:£
14:53.50TekExams:P
14:55.14TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, I just watched a speedrun of Super Mario Bros 1 in under 5 minutes
14:55.15Technobliteratoroh my gof
14:55.17Technobliteratorgod*
14:55.26DrodoEmpirewat
14:55.27OluapPlayer5 minutes
14:55.29OluapPlayerImpressive
14:55.53TekExamsI'm guessing some glitch that takes you to the endgame.
14:57.28TechnobliteratorIt was 4:57:30 or something
14:57.35TechnobliteratorWell, it's not a glitch, but
14:57.44Technobliteratorthere are these shortcuts through pipes that take you to warp zones
14:58.01TechnobliteratorThis speedrunner used two of them to end up in the final world basically immediately
14:58.12OluapPlayerBut in 5 minutes?
14:58.13TechnobliteratorThen defeated Bowser
14:58.14Wormy_awayGhelae:  Gold was associated with immortality because no substance was known to attack it, it was seen as eternally lasting.  Thus there was probably some property they wanted to capture.
14:58.28TechnobliteratorWell, that and he looked so dangerously close to being hit
14:58.28OluapPlayerEven with the shortcuts it'd take me 20-30 minutes
14:58.51TechnobliteratorBut he knows all the hit boxes from the enemies and whatnot so he managed to barely avoid death many times
14:59.12Technobliteratorit was just him running across and jumping frantically and he only ever stopped once
14:59.16Technobliteratorlike how is he not dead yet
14:59.37GhelaeWormy_away: Most of the alchemists, yes. I think it's either standard magical thinking along the lines of "gold contains incorruptability", or symbolism for a sort of spiritual immortality. Presumably different alchemists held different beliefs on the matter.
15:00.05GhelaeFrancis Bacon may have had a more physicalistic mindset on the matter; I don't know.
15:00.20Wormy_awayI think that quote may imply it
15:00.35Wormy_awayA very metallurgical point of view
15:01.20Wormy_awayI assume by then, bronze, iron and steelwork weren't seen as magical as they were in Ancient times, could be wrong
15:04.29Wormy_awayMaybe not, iron was associated with strength and maleness
15:09.25XhoOluapPlayer: y am i watching this
15:10.25XhoAlso I just saw this big-ass bird on the roof across the road
15:10.31XhoIt looked like a crane
15:11.54OluapPlayersquawk
15:12.24Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t35.0-12/13016452_1263518480342397_840912006_o.jpg?oh=3cd1cc53484e52356c9ff0abb055f7ec&oe=57147624 Seriously what is that
15:13.13OluapPlayerdats a blur
15:13.44Xhohttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/507028274408344041/F414C6B45E645086372A262441D36CB9473337A6/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:1152&composite-to=*,*|2048:1152&background-color=black Also Oblivion's graphics are still fairly decent
15:14.00Wormy_awayHeron?  Crane?
15:14.19DrodoEmpireThat armour is greasy
15:14.21DrodoEmpire<.<
15:14.44Xhogreasy
15:14.44DrodoEmpireWhy so many spikes and stuff
15:15.00XhoI dunno I didn't make it
15:15.55XhoOluapPlayer: Still though you should get Oblivion, I still find it better than Skyrim
15:16.03MonetDaedric?
15:16.03OluapPlayerbuthusdu
15:16.26XhoI will buy this game for you and shove it down your mouth dam u
15:16.37XhoMonet: Just some modded armour I thought looked edgy
15:17.00OluapPlayerOnly way I'd play the game hur
15:18.17Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaxMem969TA This is why mods are great
15:26.11Technobliteratorbbl food
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15:28.03HachimanHi
15:31.44MonetHi
15:49.06HachimanSo, I watched an interesting video discussing the existence of a "happiness industry", how happiness is considered a mandatory social responsibility, and how companies and businesses exploit happiness to make you do things you do not want to do and suppress other emotions
15:50.25HachimanHow people are brainwashed into believing that it is mandatory and a responsibility for them to maintain happiness in spite of whatever situations they are put through because otherwise they would be cast out by other people
15:50.56HachimanAnd that personal happiness does not always correlate with a person's personal strive for happiness
15:51.07Hachiman-second personal happiness
15:51.10Monetny examples of this happiness industry?
15:51.11HachimanI meant personal justice
15:54.01HachimanBusinesses that require long hours and actively work to screw over its employees for corporate benefit use tactics to boaster happiness to hide any potential injustices from being perceived
15:54.18HachimanAnd superstores use sales to boast happiness in people in order to get them to spend more
15:54.42MonetAhh yes...sales.
15:55.02Wormy_awayI find it weird how the most common last drink amongst death row prisoners is Coca Cola.
15:55.57MonetWhat proportion of customers are actively aware that an item cost more ot buy before the sale might be low
15:56.49HachimanAlso, contrary to what most people believe about how emotions are chaotic and disruptive, emotions are actually useful for organizing rational thinking rather as they affect your perception
15:57.06MonetI am also reminded of corporate teambuilding days, like company paintball.
15:57.17HachimanOr at least, that is what certain studies have claimed
15:58.18HachimanAnger is useful for recognizing unjustness and unfair treatment, fear is useful for making sure you are safe from harm
16:00.35MonetFrom an evolutionary standpoint yeah, emotions make sense
16:00.48HachimanThere have been a string of studies bringing up the case of happiness being deemed obligatory in modern society and culture, and that happiness = justice when in fact it does not
16:01.26HachimanThat people are made to blanket feelings of uncertainty or unfairness with happiness and that if they do not, they are the oddball
16:01.39MonetWhen we're happy, we have no reaso not argue or question.
16:03.38HachimanOne disgusting example is how that people who feel unhappy are often given or prescribed drugs in order to remove or suppress emotions that challenge happiness
16:04.10HachimanBecause not being happy means you are less productive
16:05.05MonetTreating depression with pills, urgh.
16:06.13MonetBut basically yes
16:06.26MonetWHen people are happy, they're also productive
16:06.40HachimanCompanies make their employees feel that they should be happy to work a job they hate rather than leave it
16:07.01MonetNow ocnsider the Asgord have happy rays.
16:07.21HachimanAye; the Asgord is an interesting example of the "happiness industry" taken up to 11
16:08.27MonetSometimes I wonder if the Ascord are more nightmarish than comic
16:08.32OluapPlayerAsgord are a good example of why aliens are scary and we should keep away from space
16:09.12MonetTurns out for more than "you're cute let me pet you"
16:10.09OluapPlayerAsgord themselves are just that though, they're cartoony like everything Irsk ever made
16:10.20XhoAnd terrifying
16:10.36DrodoHL2RPPM me if you need something
16:11.17MonetWith this happy ray concept
16:11.34MonetAre they alien hippies or an alien Ingsoc?
16:11.52MonetOr...BOTH
16:12.06OluapPlayerThey're Spore aliens
16:12.13OluapPlayerAlien ray is a thing in Spore
16:12.18HachimanFunny to mention that because the "happiness industry" is considered to tie into the manipulative nature of ultra-capitalist society
16:12.21OluapPlayerHappy ray even
16:13.10MonetI think Irskaad's ficiton may have hada capitalist angle ot it
16:13.18MonetCourse you did haveu ltra-capitalists like the Dagorians.
16:14.07MonetBut considering how capitalist EUrovision is (surely a celebration of European music would have less pop)
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16:14.43MonetI'm willing ot bet the original Kraw secretly worshipped the Almighty Kron.
16:17.48HachimanPlato once argued that happiness is not a pursuit of pleasure - which ties into materialism which is intrinsic to capitalist society in how it is governed - but a pursuit of virtue and justice - non-material things which are becoming increasingly absent from first world cultures and powers
16:18.47MonetAre you watching School of Life?
16:18.59HachimanI am not
16:19.13MonetJust curious
16:20.00OluapPlayerHachiman: stop trying to be intellectual and check this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADa_Reckoning#The_Rogue_Sin
16:20.26HachimanI am watching Wisecrack's evaluation on Inside Out and how Joy, the main character and the personification of happiness, is actually the villain due to how their controlling and imposing influence on the other characters causes a lot of the problems present in the film
16:20.37HachimanOr at least, unwitting villain
16:21.36MonetOh WIsecrack.
16:22.26MonetImagining Joy like that is...yeah. I like the sound of it.
16:24.59MonetOh blody hell that DevilJoy.
16:29.22HachimanOluapPlayer: Good section that, honestly the whole time travel business is confusing for me but seeing the Rogue Sin is pretty cool
16:29.41HachimanAnd how the Loron accidentally created a god is both funny and horrifying at the same time
16:29.55Charles_Murray>the Loron accidentally created a god
16:30.00Charles_MurrayOh my
16:30.03OluapPlayerThe Loron went back in time into the same timeline to stop themselves from starting the war
16:30.12OluapPlayerThat led to a time paradox that gave birth to the Rogue Sin
16:30.35Charles_Murraylol, that's clever
16:31.40Technobliteratoryou have to admit though
16:31.47Technobliteratorit was hilarious watching the Loron argue with their past selves
16:31.53Technobliteratorthat's some of the most fun I've ever had in an rp
16:32.34OluapPlayerThey had an incredibly petty argument and killed each other for it
16:32.38OluapPlayerloron.jpg
16:33.22TechnobliteratorKal'kuir - DIS GUN IS DA BEST GUN EVA       *kills past self in one hit*                WAT DA HELL WE DIDNT EVEN FITE YET
16:33.55OluapPlayerSHUT UP FOR GOD'S SAKE I KNOW HOW TO CLIMB A LADDER JESUS OW MY EAR
16:36.21TechnobliteratorI loev how I managed to make it so even Rel'larutina get into a petty argument with her past self
16:36.31OluapPlayerNot so above it all
16:37.42HachimanAye
16:37.54HachimanNot all that surprising considering that Rel'larutina is bitchy hur
16:41.04Technobliteratorhonestly the only two sensible people in Da Rogue Boyz were the two who had no one to fight anyway
16:41.16Technobliteratoroh, I guess Knar'gank kind of is
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16:46.30OluapPlayerGoddamn internet
17:04.11XhoQuit game -> "Oblivion has stopped working"
17:04.12XhoNo shit
17:05.04Monet"and it crashes when I try to quit the game!"
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17:08.03CyrannianHello everyone
17:08.43OluapPlayer~kidnap Cyrannian
17:08.43infobotACTION drives up in a non-descript white van, jumps out, shoves Cyrannian in the back, and drives off.
17:08.52Cyrannian~escape OluapPlayer
17:09.08OluapPlayeru cant get dis
17:09.35Monethello
17:09.43Cyrannianno escape from bae
17:10.42XhoThe Champion of Cyrodiil is like the ultimate representation of diversity
17:10.57XhoServes the Nine -> Serves the Daedra -> Serves Sithis -> Is a Daedra
17:13.54OluapPlayerdats submissive as shit he serves everyone ever
17:15.01XhoBut then he becomes Sheogorath and top kek inbound
17:16.01HachimanI don't get how Sheogorath and the Champion of Cyrodiil are the same person
17:16.15HachimanI thought Sheogorath was another Daedra, Jyggalag or something
17:16.45CyrannianThe champion became Sheogorath at the end of the Shivering Isles DLC IIRC
17:16.48OluapPlayerChampion freed Jyggalag of his cycle-prison thing and was turned into a new Sheogorath as a reward
17:16.49OluapPlayeror something
17:17.28XhoBoth are true
17:20.54Xhobored
17:20.56Xhov bored
17:22.11OluapPlayerwork on stoof
17:22.24Xhothat will make me more bored
17:22.26MonetI'm free, could od Voidwalker but up to you.
17:22.39XhoUnfortunately working on my own stuff is not entertaining
17:23.36XhoI'm tempted to scrap Voidwalker
17:23.42XhoToo much to deal with
17:24.00XhoPlus as I've said about sixty times this week I hate editing the Fictionverse
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17:24.14LuxorGood evening
17:24.18XhoHi
17:24.42OluapPlayerMake things in Spore
17:24.46Xholiek wat
17:25.07LuxorLiek pizza saucers
17:25.12OluapPlayernew Asdf-asdf
17:25.22OluapPlayerlike you said you would yesterday
17:25.25XhoAsdf-asdf jesus
17:25.30XhoEh suppose I could
17:26.44MonetAlright alright I get it
17:27.49MonetIf you hate editing the fictionverse then there's little reason not to keep Voidwalker
17:27.58XhoI just don't get any amusement out of the fictionverse
17:28.09XhoI find it incredibly inflexible
17:28.22LuxorImagine you can bend global history
17:28.30Luxorwhat would you modify?
17:28.37XhoI would remove selfie sticks
17:28.40Luxorgood.
17:28.50CyrannianK-T extinction event
17:29.04LuxorI would remove Stalin and replace him with Trotsky.
17:29.19XhoAs for the Fantasyverse it's a small enough setting for me to work with
17:29.33XhoFictionverse is unruly and huge in comparison
17:30.02LuxorToo big as for me. I often loose the, let's say, the continuity of activity because of this reason.
17:30.10XhoSame
17:30.25XhoI don't nearly have enough imagination for the Fictionverse as I do the Fantasyverse
17:30.29LuxorAnd being lazy is the second reason...
17:30.48CyrannianWhy not merge fantasy with your fictionverse fiction like Dino does
17:30.54OluapPlayerEEEEEEEEEEEE
17:30.56OluapPlayerno
17:31.03CyrannianAs in, fantasy aspects, not fantasyverse fiction
17:31.09Luxor...isn't the collab such an experiment?
17:31.19XhoI couldn't really bring myself to do that
17:31.25OluapPlayerfantasy aspects
17:31.30LuxorDoe it rather fuses the characteristics of both
17:31.31OluapPlayerWe already have these
17:31.59Cyrannianshup twas a good suggestion
17:32.01XhoThe main link between the Fantasyverse and the Fictionverse is Caligaduro/Xhodocto
17:32.27MonetI get how the fictionverse feels huge and unruly.
17:32.38LuxorIf I didn't hate fictionverse i might have liked it
17:32.39XhoThat's just aspects wise not actual link
17:32.42MonetThough were more people to join the fantasyverse, what then?
17:32.58XhoI'd probably ignore most of the users really
17:33.00LuxorI just think fantasy is sooo boring
17:33.16XhoMy brain doesn't really work well with more than five people in one setting
17:33.57Luxor( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) <-- test
17:34.02Luxoroh, it worked!
17:34.53MonetWHat I mean is the fantasyverse might lose some of its flexibility.
17:35.04XhoStill the same repsonse
17:36.06XhoThe Fantasyverse's absolutes are rather hard set anyway so
17:36.24HachimanPLUS NO FRANCE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
17:36.36Hachimanjk
17:36.40Xhorly nao
17:36.49Luxor\frac{\left(2^x-\sin \left(x\right)\right)}{\tan \left(2^x\right)}
17:36.50MonetMaybe... making the Kicath a hyperpower wasn't the best decision. I can understand why but I myself am feeling a similar fatigue.
17:36.57Luxortype this in desmos.com/calculator
17:37.04XhoOh the Kicathian hyperpower thing's not my issue
17:37.04LuxorI think I just broke the maths
17:37.15XhoI've never been consistent with writng anything since the Fictionverse started
17:37.20Xhowriting
17:37.42MonetBut holding that sort of title might not be so fun.
17:37.49XhoXhodocto
17:38.13XhoHyperpower's rather small in comparison when I write about or with the Xhodocto
17:38.34Luxor\sqrt{\left(2^x-\sin \left(x\right)\right)}
17:38.37XhoTo be honest I think it's the science element
17:38.42XhoThe need to explain everything bothers me
17:38.44XhoA lot
17:38.49MonetYou never did like maths.
17:39.04Luxorno
17:39.12MonetI'd say the Xhodocto are easy to manage.
17:39.18XhoThey are
17:39.23Monetcompared to keeping a hyperpower a hyperpoer.
17:39.34Luxorhyperpoor*
17:40.17XhoTo me the fictionverse has just turned into an endlessly mundane continuation of the same thing with different names
17:41.10LuxorIt strongly strict the limits for new creations
17:41.13TekExams2nd Exam time. :/
17:41.14MonetNot sure if I can comment safely but well...
17:41.25Luxorstricts*
17:43.33XhoThat being said I haven't really kept up with the Fictionverse since 2014
17:43.38XhoOr earlier
17:43.50LuxorBelg leftie says that NATO meeting in Warsaw should be shut down
17:44.12LuxorEU is such a crap nowadays
17:44.20LuxorBut continue talking about FU
17:45.40Luxoroh
17:46.05MonetIs it aobut Europe though?
17:46.28LuxorYes.
17:46.36MonetI'm seeing talk of increased NATO soldiers in Central Europe.
17:46.43LuxorYup.
17:46.50LuxorThere is a lot of mess aroun this.
17:46.52Luxoraround*
17:46.58Luxormy d key might not work properly
17:47.08LuxorGermoney says this is a bad idea
17:47.10MonetAnd how does it relate to the EU besides geographic relevance?
17:47.50Luxoramerican research proved that russians would land in Bucharesht, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, Kiev, Warsaw in 36 hours.
17:48.01LuxorBut why does Germoneys dislike this?
17:48.28LuxorBecause 'Muricans keep a shoe over these nazi cunts (@!) not to start expansion again
17:48.46MonetThe EU enjoys a stance it doesn't like using its military.
17:48.47LuxorThough I do not understand anything related to current german politics atm.
17:48.59LuxorEU has no military.
17:49.37MonetAlso that's a horrid thing to say about Germany.
17:49.55MonetThe population generally wants to forget aobut Nazi Germany
17:50.03LuxorPerhaps
17:50.13LuxorBut German society is far too much to the left
17:50.22LuxorAnd does not see it's collapse
17:50.24Luxorbrb
17:51.01Luxorback.
17:51.51LuxorSo, overall, I never liked those post-Sovnazi.
17:52.22MonetYou're right about Military
17:53.21MonetOut of the big four powers in Eurasia - UK, France, Germany and Russia - Germany has the smallest military budget.
17:53.32LuxorYes.
17:54.23Luxor((Polish warriors became world champions in International Medieval Combat Federation))
17:54.30Luxor((so proud of them))
18:03.58XhoHachiman OluapPlayer ImpyDroid: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4d/IdRealm.png/revision/latest?cb=20160416180326 I got bored so I made an image for Id
18:04.12HachimanOoh nice
18:04.15HachimanThanks, I like it
18:04.23OluapPlayerspu is hero
18:05.00OluapPlayerI urged Hachi to ask someone to make a pic for Id
18:05.03OluapPlayerwhich he never did
18:05.09OluapPlayerSo that's a good thing
18:05.11Xhoyuy
18:05.59LuxorI wish Spore had better graphics
18:06.14Xhodeel wit it
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18:06.27The_RandomnessHello
18:07.08CyrannianHi there
18:08.00LuxorAye
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19:03.15Monettest
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19:05.07OluapPlayerCunt internet
19:05.46Xhogasp
19:09.06HachimanCunternet
19:09.21Xhodat just porn
19:16.09Wormy_awayhowdy'do's
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19:19.41Wormy_Xho:  Just had a profound philosophical realisation, then forgot it.
19:19.51Xho10/10
19:21.33DrodoEmpireWell that was an *engaging* session of trading firearms and radios, and running about sewers lugging a heavy improvised crossbow around.
19:21.37DrodoEmpire:p
19:22.16Wormy_where the hell was you
19:22.34DrodoEmpireMe? On a Half-Life 2 Roleplay server
19:22.38Wormy_some underground weapons dealing going on?  :p :)
19:22.40Wormy_;)
19:22.55DrodoEmpireI found a decent server, and accidentily got recruited into the resistance last session
19:23.08Wormy_awesome enough
19:23.09DrodoEmpireBut yes and lots of it XD
19:23.18DrodoEmpireEh it can be when there's a lot of action
19:23.28DrodoEmpireOtherwise its real dull, so you got to take the good with the bad
19:23.44DrodoEmpireI mean last session we went out and kidnapped a former-resistance member who ratted us out
19:24.08DrodoEmpireNearly got in a shootout with a cop before one of our guys whipped out a stunstick and knocked the cop out XD
19:24.26DrodoEmpireThen we roughed up the traitor a bit in an old warehouse and beat a hasty escape
19:25.17Wormy_Ninja_simulator.exe
19:25.22DrodoEmpirehur
19:26.57DrodoEmpireThough not quite- We went in pretty loud actually.
19:27.38DrodoEmpireMy prime example being the fact that my character yelled "Get fucked!" at the officer who got smacked upside the head (its text-based but yelling sends it over like half the map)
19:27.56DrodoEmpireWe were really lucky there were only a few officers on that time
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20:24.48AdmiralPandahi all
20:25.45The_RandomnessHey
20:27.34XhoHachiman: "Id is the home realm of the Crux, serving as one of the thirteen Simulacrum realms of the Aethereal Firmament."         What's the 13th realm exactly
20:29.16XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.facebook.com/sam.kalidi/videos/10153875159646622/ Shu'wokerama is a sucker for Santorakh's parties
20:29.56Wormy_Re-creation of the world according to Hecataeus, 500 BCE http://img.index.hu/imgfrm/5/8/0/0/BIG_0013435800.jpg
20:30.06OluapPlayerSun birb's
20:30.12OluapPlayerOr at least I assume so
20:30.21DrodoEmpireWormy_: I saw that map before, very interesting
20:30.22OluapPlayerYou're the one who calls the setting "Thirteen Planes"
20:30.48XhoTechnically fourteen but there's still twelve Simulacra realms
20:31.03XhoOr fifteen actually with Koldenwelt
20:31.06Wormy_I can't tell if it reads "Badlands" or "islands", is that the British Isles?
20:31.54XhoIslands and I'm thinking Channel Islands
20:32.05DrodoEmpireThe British isles were known as the "Tin Islands"
20:32.15DrodoEmpireI do believe
20:32.35AdmiralPanda^ because it was one of the better places to get tin
20:32.45Xhotin islands                     man that's poor nomenclature there
20:32.46AdmiralPandatin being quite important back in the day
20:32.57Wormy_Indeed, especially Cornwal
20:33.12Wormy_*2 ll's
20:36.11XhoI'm thinking of melding Zenith and Midnight together into two parts of one full realm
20:37.15Wormy_I've found there was a Greek traveller named Pytheas, who visited Britain.  "was quoted by later classical authors as calling the people "Pretanoi", which is cognate with "Britanni" and is apparently Celtic in origin. " according to Wikopedia
20:37.28Wormy_350 BCE
20:37.35XhoAlthough that runs the risk of calling Soldalatel a Simulacrum and I have no real explanation as to why she isn't one
20:40.40Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_the_United_Kingdom#Mycenaean_Greeks_in_Great_Britain
20:40.47Wormy_well it goes way back
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21:06.49OluapPlayerspot_
21:07.19Xho__
21:24.20OluapPlayerXho_: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgBpKewXIAE0XOm.jpg SIPERS
21:24.29Xho_dafuq
21:25.40OluapPlayerhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgL8DSgWsAACV7R.jpg
21:26.01Xho_good
21:30.49OluapPlayerXho_ ImpyDroid2: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Doctrina_Venefica#6.2F7.2F34:_They_Took_Alhazred.21 time for sad
21:31.04ImpyDroid2<PROTECTED>
21:31.53ImpyDroid2>Whips are not even good for killing things.
21:32.01ImpyDroid2There is one thing they are good for
21:32.08ImpyDroid2Drago likely agrees
21:32.23Hachimanhur
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21:33.49ImpyDroid2>There was no reaction, but Ennea could feel Alhazred's texture was unlike that of any normal book. It felt much like rough skin
21:34.09ImpyDroid2Wouldn't a medieval book literally be made of skin though
21:34.48OluapPlayerI wouldn't know
21:34.56OluapPlayerWhy would you make a book out of human skin?
21:34.59Charles_BotLeather, typically
21:35.00ImpyDroid2not human skin
21:35.02ImpyDroid2Parchment
21:35.08ImpyDroid2Parchment is leather yeah
21:35.17TechnobliteratorImpyDroid2, did you get to check out Reckoning? :o
21:35.21OluapPlayerAlhazred is made out of Sanguinary skin
21:35.21ImpyDroid2NOOOOO
21:35.43ImpyDroid2So basically parchment
21:35.47Xho_anthropodermic bibliopegy ftw
21:35.52Xho_wait what
21:35.54OluapPlayerI don't know what that is
21:35.57ImpyDroid2I presume it feels more... alive or something?
21:36.03OluapPlayerAlhazred is a demon in the shape of a book
21:36.06Xho_Anthropodermic bibliopegy = books bounded in human skin
21:36.14Xho_bound*
21:36.18OluapPlayerYes he feels like a living creature
21:36.23ImpyDroid2OluapPlayer: Specifically worked skin used instead as paper
21:36.24OluapPlayerBecause he's a demon shaped like a book
21:36.49ImpyDroid2You shouldn't be angry, I just asked hur
21:37.01OluapPlayerI'm not angry dumbo
21:37.01ImpyDroid2Sorry if I sounded rude
21:37.03OluapPlayerI'm explaining
21:37.12ImpyDroid2Rite
21:37.13Xho_daemonodermic bibliopegy
21:37.21Xho_Books bound in demon's skin there you go
21:38.04ImpyDroid2OluapPlayer: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchment#/media/File%3AParchment_from_goatskin.jpg For example
21:38.19OluapPlayerI see
21:38.27ImpyDroid2Hell that makes me think what materials are used for books in the Fantasy verse
21:39.13OluapPlayerAh i know what it is now that I found the translation
21:39.14MonetUNiversity diplomas used to be inscribed onto treated sheepskin.
21:39.25OluapPlayerBut no Alhazred is made out of blood demon flesh
21:40.06ImpyDroid2I for some reason imagine humans use paper, elves parchment and Merovar papyrus
21:40.19ImpyDroid2Also that is a pretty interesting development
21:40.34ImpyDroid2So gothiqt is now depowered essentially
21:40.35Xho_Shiarchon literature is on engraved metal
21:40.42OluapPlayerShe is
21:40.46OluapPlayerShe has no way to cast magic
21:40.48Xho_I'm yet to read that section btw, I'm editing a page
21:40.55ImpyDroid2Xho_: Fucking intense
21:41.04HachimanShiarchon do it Flintstones styles
21:41.12HachimanKalarah - YABBA DABBA DOO
21:41.12OluapPlayerKalarah - GRAND DAD
21:41.19Xho_Caligaduro - i regret many things
21:41.21OluapPlayerWhat a contrast there
21:41.48Xho_It's usually a series of thin metal blocks strung together in such a way to be rolled up into a scroll
21:41.54Xho_Blocks is a bad word
21:41.54Xho_strops
21:41.57Xho_even worse
21:41.58Xho_strips
21:42.00AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer The_Randomness Hachiman Monet u twats awake?
21:42.00Xho_there we go
21:42.07The_Randomnessye
21:42.12OluapPlayernfghh
21:42.13OluapPlayerNo i'm asleep cant you see
21:42.16OluapPlayerzzzzzz
21:42.20AdmiralPandafuk u get awake
21:42.24Hachimanzzzz
21:42.53AdmiralPandastraps Hachiman and OluapPlayer to a rocket and shoots them into the sun Heihachi style
21:43.08OluapPlayerWell now I can't be awake since I'm fucking dead
21:43.10OluapPlayerway to go m8
21:43.16ImpyDroid2Xho: So like Chinese bamboo scrolls except metal
21:43.35Xho_Yes
21:44.22MonetAdmiralPanda: MAking dinner
21:44.37AdmiralPandaright, when you're back from that then we can talk about punks of a cybernetic nature
21:44.56Wormy_So there's a bird in Africa and Asia that has a relationship with humans by leading them to bee hives with a specific call for humans, so that humans collect the honey and pay a fee to the bird.  Legend has it, if no honey is given, the bird would lead people to a lion's den next time.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide
21:45.25DrodoEmpireThat's quite interesting
21:47.10MonetOKay thanks ot that discussion I decided to see what vellum is
21:48.26MonetPaper made from animal skin
21:48.41HachimanI read that as "people made from animal skin" for a moment
21:49.00Wormy_sauce http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/human-planet/videos/follow-the-honeyguide-deleted/
21:50.06Wormy_oh it got deleted
21:50.06MonetSo I guess for much of history people didn't kill trees to make books.
21:50.23MonetThey killed animals lol.
21:50.57Wormy_People still do #peta
21:51.55MonetWell at least people back then didn't kill cattle just for the meat
21:53.02Xho_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Asv-Aldz Asv-Aldz just got a +500 evil karma
21:53.35OluapPlayerMortium - dum eyeless totem
21:54.52OluapPlayer"His arms and legs as well as his face appear to be made of solid gold or highly valuable minerals."
21:54.59OluapPlayerFor some reason I always thought he was made of wood
21:55.13OluapPlayerMight be the brown colour and somewhat blocky design
21:55.19Xho_Asv-Aldz - Simulacrum of Wealth                    you have not been paying attention
21:55.34OluapPlayerVargash - too busy throwin tentacles at u
21:55.34Xho_I need to redo his model though I have no ideas
21:55.58Xho_But yeah now he's untrustworthy enough to have had dealings with Caligaduro in the past
21:56.45OluapPlayerVargash - still gonna throw tentacles at u for gud measure
21:57.22Xho_I'm not sure what to do with Aethereus, Nalashtannylor and Kinmo
21:57.30Xho_They're all incarnations of what essentially is the same entity
21:57.34OluapPlayerBirb³
21:57.47OluapPlayer>Asv-Aldz is known for stealing souls out of the Underworld when it suits him, much to the ire of Mortium
21:57.53OluapPlayerMortium - stone person stew
21:57.54Xho_Asv-Aldz -
21:57.56Xho_bah
21:58.04Xho_Asv-Aldz - #longinus #nicepiercingstho
21:58.39Xho_Still though not sure what to do
21:59.05Xho_Aethereus was technically a Simulacrum since Nalashtannylor rules over Midnight of which Aethereus formerly did
21:59.40Xho_So in some respect, Aethereus, Nalashtannylor and God!Kinmo are all different incarnations of Nalashtannylor/Aethereus/I'm getting too confused now
22:00.10Xho_This is why the Néva call him the Night Father
22:00.20OluapPlayerThat's not different from Rama-Squid being 3 entities who together are the Simulacrum of crazy
22:00.33Xho_Well, Rama-Squid consists of three entities
22:00.56Xho_Nalashtannylor is almost a title given to three different entities
22:01.05Xho_Sort of
22:01.24Xho_Aethereus, Kinmo and Nalashtannylor don't make up one entity as such
22:01.44Xho_They're all different entities with the position of power as the Simulacrum of Purity
22:01.57Xho_It's all to do with divine mantling as it were
22:02.23OluapPlayerVargash - in the end its all turkey
22:02.38Xho_Caligaduro fucks up Aethereus -> Nalashtannylor is deified in his place -> Kinmo and Nalashtannylor get fucked up so God!Kinmo is reborn and deified
22:02.57Xho_But I don't know what to do with the pages
22:03.00Xho_I could merge all three
22:03.12OluapPlayerCaligaduro - it's time for thanksgiving again
22:03.55OluapPlayerIf they're different entities then they should probably have different pages, but saying "he was the simulacrum before receiving the caligaduro dong"
22:04.03Xho_seven pronged dong
22:04.06Xho_good lord
22:04.16OluapPlayerCaligaduro is actually just a really big evil echidna
22:04.39Xho_Caligaduro - anteating these fucking ants you call mortals
22:04.39OluapPlayerAnyway gotta get dinner now
22:06.05Xho_"Jonah Cardeli Falcon (born 1970) is an American actor and writer. He came to national attention in the early 2000s for his large penis, reported as the largest on record at 13.5 inches (34 cm) erect."
22:06.08Xho_what in the fuck
22:06.34HachimanWHOOPS, I DROPPED MY *MONSTER CONDOM* THAT I USE FOR MY *MAGNUM DONG*
22:07.08Xho_oh god
22:07.31Xho_I'm surprised he would get headrush
22:07.34Xho_wouldn't
22:07.38Xho_I cna't Eneglush
22:07.43Xho_See what the fuck is that
22:07.45Hachimanolol
22:08.13AdmiralPandaI'm surprised that guy wasn't more famous for passing out from blood loss every time he got hard
22:08.35Xho_That's what I tried to say
22:08.39Xho_But failed miserably
22:09.02HachimanI feel sorry for his girlfriends
22:10.01Xho_I don't even wanna think about it
22:13.30Xho_Hachiman: https://www.facebook.com/TheTabBristol/posts/1150602714950282
22:14.21HachimanBrilliant
22:19.04ImpyDroid2OluapPlayer: Is it actually possible for Sims to steal souls from the Underworld
22:19.59MonetAdmiralPanda: Ready
22:20.50ImpyDroid2Xho: >Asv-Aldz is perhaps the most narcissistic and capricious of the twelve Simulacra;
22:21.21ImpyDroid2Kalisearan - NUUUUU
22:22.04OluapPlayerImpyDroid2: I imagine so but I would prefer if it were not a common occurrence
22:22.22OluapPlayerSince Mortium is also a Simulacrum with a scythe that can hurt other Simulacra
22:23.41AdmiralPandaHachiman Monet: en-skype-ify yourselves pls
22:23.47ImpyDroid2Right so I cannot have Einerjar for Alar'xashan for example
22:24.35Xho_Asv-Aldz does it out of request as it was in Eschaton
22:24.39Xho_Though not without payment
22:25.03Xho_Like hell would he risk taking a soul out of the Underworld and not get something in return for it
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22:34.25OluapPlayerGoddamnit all
22:34.29OluapPlayerHachiman Technobliterator: http://u.cubeupload.com/Paramud/pAbIGV.png
22:34.47Technobliteratorpffft
22:37.12HachimanKaz, I'm already a QUACK
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23:23.53MonetHachiman: FOund a video discussing World War Bee
23:24.01Hachimankek
23:24.28MonetThe war's official name is "The Northern War"
23:24.30MonetWhich...gives me some indication of its magnitude
23:25.00MonetAnd ho-ly shit I forgot the Imperium is more than just Goonswarm
23:25.20OluapPlayerBEEEEEEEEEES
23:25.44MonetTen major alliances, at least three of which are the largest most pronounced groups in the game
23:25.50HachimanYeah
23:25.51HachimanIt's insane
23:25.59MonetGoon, Razor ALliance and Fidelis COnstantis.
23:26.01HachimanMoneyBadger Coalition is also huge
23:26.40MonetWHen I was up at Fangest 2014 I had experiences with al lthree
23:27.13DrodoEmpireCould I have a link to this video?
23:27.26Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJz4n21gD8
23:27.43DrodoEmpireThanks
23:28.06MonetI got a business card from FC, I have a picture on my PC of me with a Razor CEO and spent one evening drinking with three Goons.
23:28.47DrodoEmpireOh nice
23:31.00MonetSo HBC contains TEST?
23:31.05DrodoEmpireThis game is actually really cool, just the politics and war and everything
23:31.06MonetThat explains a lot. Like...a lot
23:31.07DrodoEmpireIts nuts
23:31.27MonetCorrection
23:31.35MonetTEST and Pandemic Legion
23:31.52AdmiralPandaI'm normally into political games, but that game takes it to an extreme even I'm uncomfortable being a part of- which I love to see but I just wouldn't want to be a part of
23:31.53HachimanNote: MoneyBadger
23:32.07HachimanAs in, it is named in reference to HoneyBadger
23:32.25MonetMs and Ns are very similar
23:32.27HachimanIt is called MoneyBadger because it is being funded by a betting corp I think
23:33.05DrodoEmpirePanda: I'm the same way
23:33.09DrodoEmpireEVE is fucking insane with it
23:33.25DrodoEmpireWhich makes it loads of fun to watch but the stakes are *waay* too high for me to actually take part
23:33.31MonetEVE is real war.
23:33.34DrodoEmpire^
23:33.43DrodoEmpireThere's real stuff on the line, and its nuts
23:33.48MonetEVE is real Git Gud or die
23:34.39HachimanOne thing I found while doing some EVE research is that the most significant banking and investment scam that occurred resulted in 1tril ISK disappearing from the economic loop
23:34.51DrodoEmpireo.O
23:34.55DrodoEmpire1 *trillion*
23:35.04HachimanThat is equivalent to around $45,000
23:36.10DrodoEmpireSo basically buddy who did this swindled enough money to buy himself a fairly nice car.
23:36.17HachimanEssentially
23:36.17DrodoEmpireWow.
23:36.30MonetTHat's nothing compared to the sunk cost i nwar.
23:36.52HachimanTrue but the scam was handled by *two* guys who ran *one* corp
23:37.07MonetFair enough
23:37.39HachimanLike, the costs of wars in EVE is expected to be fairly large
23:38.24MonetScrew enough money to buy a nice car
23:38.28HachimanAlso
23:38.29DrodoEmpireThis reminds me of an idea I had for a in-fiction Drodo game that was similar to EVE, though set on a procedurally-generated "New world" with the players using 16th-18th century tech
23:38.31HachimanI calculated wrong
23:38.39Hachiman1tril ISK is more than $45,000
23:38.49HachimanThat was the cost of a different scam
23:38.52DrodoEmpireI haven't written on it in a bit though I've been thinking of ways on implementing it
23:38.57MonetBattles like BR-5RB sink house-worth values.
23:39.46DrodoEmpireEither way, similar idea in that players are free to build their own nations and economies, and then beat the shit out of eachother in wars
23:40.04HachimanThere was a corporation called Titans4U who essentially sold false Titan blueprints to people, like a dodgy car dealership
23:40.36MonetOh yeah, some corps make a killing of the titan manufacturing market.
23:40.38HachimanIn the end, after the CEO screwed everyone over, including his own trustees, he amassed 850bil ISK for himself
23:41.07DrodoEmpireOuch.
23:41.35HachimanI cannot calculate how much 1tril ISK is
23:41.44HachimanOther than a fuckton
23:43.01AdmiralPandaI got pretty heavily into the politics of several open-world MMOs I've played in, but that was just good fun- there was never really "real" money invested
23:43.11DrodoEmpireYeah
23:43.35AdmiralPandaespecially Archeage; even if you sunk someone's ship they'd be able to repair it by the end of the week pretty much no matter what, so as long as you sunk it in a pretty humorous way people didn't really mind
23:43.41AdmiralPandaaside from the inconvenience of course
23:44.45Xho_I still don't get EVE
23:44.55MonetOne thing I learned.
23:45.50MonetA lot of EVE's players are dickholes ingame but wil lbuy you a beer if you ever meet them.
23:46.03DrodoEmpireHuh, nice.
23:46.59MonetXho: Join a pirate corp, there's much less politics.
23:47.41HachimanOr a mercenary corp
23:47.58HachimanBusiness for mercenary corps is probably booming
23:48.08HachimanConsidering the Northern War is happening
23:48.28MonetAs World War Bee plays out? Probably
23:49.50MonetCan't remember how receptive groups like GOonswarm are to non-alliance help
23:49.56AdmiralPandawhere does the Bee come from?
23:50.02AdmiralPandaaside from a reference to WW3
23:50.09MonetGoonswarm's emblam
23:50.47HachimanYeah; their insignia is a bee
23:50.52AdmiralPandaah
23:50.52Monethttp://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2010/02/goonswarmdisbands-1.jpg
23:51.30AdmiralPandathe RP server I play on had an infamous incident where the "Wu Tang Killer Bees" clan decided that murdering everyone in sight was good roleplay
23:51.48Hachimanhur
23:52.00AdmiralPandaneedless to say, twenty-six permabans soon followed
23:56.35Monethttp://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1002/evesecurity.jpg can vouch
23:59.51MonetNo one cares what goes on in high-sec, low-sec is just anarchy and null-sec is where all the news is.

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