| 00:06.12 | Wormy_ | Great timing |
| 00:06.50 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:06.54 | DrodoEmpire | ololol |
| 00:21.36 | dino82_ | :d |
| 00:22.04 | dino82_ | so the French Empire relatiosn are nicely done, anyone seen them? Quite nice to see something differant haah |
| 00:22.06 | dino82_ | haha |
| 00:22.31 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 00:22.31 | Monet | Very nice. |
| 00:22.35 | Technobliterator | I helped Charles fix them |
| 00:22.36 | Technobliterator | :p |
| 00:22.46 | dino82_ | @Jo: Neat! |
| 00:22.48 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I love them |
| 00:23.03 | DrodoEmpire | I'll probably end up using them with the Drodo, as part of my edits to the Empire page |
| 00:24.11 | Hachiman | "At one point in their lives, your parents hoped and prayed that you would never be born. And for some of you, your parents never stopped praying." - from Maddox's "A message from adults to kids" |
| 00:28.34 | Charles_Murray | Thanks dino82_ :D |
| 00:30.04 | Charles_Murray | The open hand for Rambo Nation means "Deisiring relationship" |
| 00:30.19 | Charles_Murray | You can hover over the icons and it'll tell you what they are |
| 00:31.34 | Wormy_ | http://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr05/13/17/anigif_enhanced-3915-1392329878-18.gif |
| 00:33.00 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://media.giphy.com/media/Ez1JJ07087088/giphy.gif |
| 00:34.02 | Hachiman | I know I should not criticize but |
| 00:34.06 | Hachiman | Holy fuck |
| 00:35.10 | Wormy_ | She has deadly weapons |
| 00:35.11 | Hachiman | I don't even know what to think of that |
| 00:35.20 | Hachiman | There is such a thing as too big |
| 00:35.52 | Hachiman | And I mean that in the context of synthetic enhancements; NOT natural bust size, for the record |
| 00:36.24 | Hachiman | Because I have had countless people misunderstand the context and try to spew shit at me for it |
| 00:37.13 | Wormy_ | I've of heard of partners suffocating under breasts, this implies head injuries too |
| 00:37.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: They shouldn't, because I mean everybody has preferences for appearance. :p Its natural |
| 00:38.14 | DrodoEmpire | Its not like you're *telling* people that's how they should or are going to look |
| 00:38.25 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 00:40.35 | Hachiman | Anyway I gotta sleep |
| 00:40.37 | Hachiman | brb killing self |
| 01:01.30 | dino82_ | @Charles: You are welcome :P |
| 01:01.52 | dino82_ | @Charles: ah ok, so they wish to open actual relations, that seems like an interessting idea:D |
| 01:15.34 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 01:18.25 | Tek0516 | It's the little differences that make my proper phone so much better (and slightly scary). Like automatically recognizing the account I use for IRCCloud and logging me in, even though this phone is fresh off a factory reset and I haven't even signed in that email yet. O.o |
| 01:44.56 | dino82_ | ttest |
| 01:45.02 | DrodoEmpire | You're good :D |
| 01:45.36 | dino82_ | yeah though what is going on, so quiet :D |
| 01:45.40 | dino82_ | But guess it is late |
| 01:45.50 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah for most |
| 01:46.06 | DrodoEmpire | Anything new with you, in terms of fiction? |
| 01:48.44 | dino82_ | not much going on, currently writing and desiging on my computer the Torments of Arcaniox, a major plot event in the Tertius Bellum with dire consequences for RN |
| 01:48.53 | dino82_ | an dth ehutter kingdom |
| 01:48.55 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 01:49.10 | dino82_ | Truly love this!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvipPYFebWc |
| 01:49.14 | dino82_ | Yeah hope people like it |
| 01:49.15 | DrodoEmpire | I'm focusing on getting stuff done for the Drodo page, mostly reorganizing existing info |
| 01:49.21 | dino82_ | it will be taken place at Arcaniox |
| 01:49.23 | dino82_ | oh nice! |
| 01:49.26 | dino82_ | Looking forward, |
| 01:49.35 | dino82_ | are you going to create a Drodo once in the sporepedia? |
| 01:50.13 | DrodoEmpire | You mean a creature? |
| 01:50.16 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, that already exists' |
| 01:50.20 | DrodoEmpire | hachi made a model |
| 01:51.17 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Drodo.png - Here it is |
| 01:52.04 | dino82_ | o yeah true! |
| 01:52.23 | DrodoEmpire | I should get some people to make outfits, or pictures even >.< |
| 01:52.35 | DrodoEmpire | Until my drawing skills are at a level I'm comfortable with anyway |
| 01:55.05 | dino82_ | indeed that woudl be nice! |
| 01:55.11 | dino82_ | or make outfits in the spore pedia! |
| 01:55.26 | dino82_ | I think you can get some nice outfits for them with eith erthe Dark Injectin mod or the CambenColor Pack |
| 01:56.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, yeah |
| 01:56.23 | DrodoEmpire | Though I'm no good with spore and have no mods |
| 01:56.25 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:56.31 | dino82_ | oh gotto go |
| 01:56.32 | dino82_ | see ya! |
| 01:56.33 | dino82_ | Bye bye |
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| 03:33.00 | Tek0516 | O.o |
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| 06:40.33 | Tek0516 | ...well that was the fastest job application cycle ever. I applied maybe two hours ago, got an email an hour ago informing me my application had been moved forward, and then a few minutes ago I got another email saying my application had been rejected. Also remember it's 2:30am here. |
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| 10:02.36 | ohokIguess | you guys must've seen better days |
| 10:04.50 | Ghelae | ~give ohokIguess a cookie |
| 10:04.50 | infobot | ACTION gives ohokIguess a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 10:05.02 | ohokIguess | yee |
| 10:05.20 | ohokIguess | how old's this place |
| 10:05.31 | ohokIguess | I was surprised such a place even existed |
| 10:08.09 | Ghelae | The wiki's older than Spore. So... 2005 or 2006, I think. |
| 10:08.42 | ohokIguess | jeez |
| 10:09.18 | Ghelae | The active users who have been here the longest have been here since about 2008. |
| 10:10.06 | Ghelae | Not active at this exact moment, of course. Most of them are probably asleep or working (be that actual work, university, or school). |
| 10:10.16 | ohokIguess | mhm |
| 10:10.35 | ohokIguess | That's pretty neat though |
| 10:10.42 | ohokIguess | it's like virtually growing up with the community |
| 10:10.48 | ohokIguess | I love stuff like that |
| 10:10.57 | ohokIguess | really nostalgic |
| 10:12.12 | Ghelae | Yeah. I joined in 2009, so I hadn't even started my A-levels, and now I'm at the end of a four-year degree. |
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| 10:13.29 | ohokIguess | nice~ |
| 10:16.41 | ImpyDroid | ohokIguess: I've been here since 2008 |
| 10:17.44 | ImpyDroid | And yes I basically grew up together with this website |
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| 10:18.49 | ohokiguess | this place has to be really sentimental to you guys then |
| 10:18.56 | ImpyDroid | ohokIguess: Yes |
| 10:19.00 | ImpyDroid | >nyet |
| 10:19.06 | ImpyDroid | Where are you from again? |
| 10:19.11 | ohokiguess | America |
| 10:19.20 | ohokiguess | I was just seeing if one of my older nicks was still registered |
| 10:19.22 | ohokiguess | which it is not |
| 10:19.33 | ohokiguess | it's been years anyways, so whatever |
| 10:20.45 | ImpyDroid | In the early days of the wiki it was like 80% British |
| 10:21.01 | nyetsama | heh |
| 10:21.16 | ImpyDroid | I still consider SporeWiki to be a very British institution |
| 10:21.21 | nyetsama | are you British then I assume? |
| 10:21.25 | ImpyDroid | We use British English in fiction |
| 10:21.38 | ImpyDroid | Nah, (mostly) North Korean/Russian |
| 10:22.45 | nyetsama | so you guys write fiction too huh |
| 10:22.50 | nyetsama | I didn't really look at the wiki |
| 10:23.03 | nyetsama | I just saw you had an IRC and had an ooo moment |
| 10:23.28 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
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| 11:48.51 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 11:50.29 | Wormy_ | There are grey hairs in my beard, I noticed today. |
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| 11:51.07 | Wormy_ | I'm becoming an old man fast |
| 11:51.12 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:51.15 | Ghelaptop | Hello. |
| 11:52.03 | Wormy_ | Just saying how grey hairs are appearing on my beard... |
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| 12:00.27 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:03.13 | Ghelaptop | Hi |
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| 12:19.07 | ImpyDroid2 | Wormy_: Shave |
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| 12:20.10 | Wormy_ | nu |
| 12:20.11 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/wFuJueq.png |
| 12:21.35 | Wormy_ | lol |
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| 12:42.52 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/697/072/383.png |
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| 12:50.09 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 12:51.10 | Ghelaptop | Hello. |
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| 12:57.23 | Wormy_ | To be fair, they never advertised "Everyday's a Dolmio day", or "What days are your Dolmio day in a week" https://twitter.com/search?q=Dolmio&src=tren |
| 13:27.36 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: Found this interesting. European name for "China" likely came from a Persian word, which likely came from a Sanskrit word, and may come from the Qin dynasty, which was very short. Yet because the Han dynasty had such cultural significance, he name "Han" passed through the ages |
| 13:28.05 | Wormy_ | What I'm getting at is how such a large consequence (word for "China") came from such a short era of Chinese history |
| 13:28.19 | Wormy_ | If it's true, that is. |
| 13:48.28 | The_Randomness | Interesting |
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| 14:29.00 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: https://youtu.be/yHA3pRTnWo8 What exactly are these guys talking about? |
| 14:29.26 | ImpyDroid | What is a favela exactly |
| 14:32.36 | OluapPlayer | Favela is portuguese for slum |
| 14:36.21 | ImpyDroid | Ah |
| 14:36.28 | ImpyDroid | I do not understand the comparison then |
| 14:36.57 | ImpyDroid | The mayor of Moscow was dismantling small illegal shops, not slums |
| 14:42.53 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: I sent you this - http://pastie.org/private/khzsfik1iyvw534odzyg |
| 14:43.10 | Wormy_ | Eh ignore the first line |
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| 14:43.58 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://pastie.org/private/kvhbox9xma2irvwjdi7tya |
| 14:44.06 | Wormy_ | You might this this interesting |
| 14:44.49 | Imperios | Well "China" is not the only European word for "Zhongguo" |
| 14:45.14 | Imperios | We in Russia do not use anything like it for example |
| 14:46.18 | Wormy_ | I probably should have referred to Western and Northern Europe, and the English speaking world. |
| 14:46.46 | Wormy_ | I think the French word was "Chine", or something along those lines |
| 14:47.05 | Wormy_ | Probably an example of how language flowed through different parts of the world. |
| 14:48.18 | Imperios | Yeah I think there are two main terms for China |
| 14:48.27 | Imperios | Three even |
| 14:48.48 | Imperios | The native Chinese term, "the Middle Kingdom", used in East Asia |
| 14:48.53 | Imperios | Those derived from Qin like "China" |
| 14:49.21 | Imperios | And those derived from the Kitan tribes that once conquered and ruled China, like the archaic English term "Cathay" |
| 14:49.26 | Imperios | Or the modern Russian term "Kitay" |
| 14:49.55 | Imperios | Qin was important because it was the first global pan-Chinese dynasty basically |
| 14:51.51 | Imperios | While Han was among the most stable and long-lived |
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| 14:52.55 | Imperios | Wormy_: Oh there is another thing: the Romans referred to China as "the Silkland" |
| 14:52.58 | Imperios | Serica or Seres |
| 14:55.54 | Wormy_ | I think you've said before, the ancient European world vaguely knew of Seres but contact was fragmentary and mediated by Arabs, Persians and so on. |
| 14:56.07 | Wormy_ | And same for the early middle ages |
| 14:56.11 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 14:56.46 | Wormy_ | It's always been a mystery to me why India was known but Zhongguo was not, but that solves it. |
| 14:57.45 | Wormy_ | I suppose Mongols and other warrior horsemen also put off European travel from over Central Asia |
| 14:58.19 | Wormy_ | Mountains were rarely climbed so that put the Himalayas out of order |
| 14:59.00 | Wormy_ | SRo that leaves the seas and south of the Himalayas... Middle East, Persia and India were the traders between East and West |
| 14:59.30 | Imperios | India was visited by Alexander |
| 14:59.38 | Imperios | Also there is a mountainless trade route yeah |
| 14:59.56 | Imperios | Well there are mountains in Persia to cross but still yes they are not Himalayas |
| 15:00.03 | Wormy_ | Yeah Greek-Indian contact |
| 15:00.58 | Wormy_ | *Indo-Greek |
| 15:01.38 | Wormy_ | Its quite interesting that what we consider the foundation of the West - Ancient Greece, had quite an Eastern influence in thought. |
| 15:02.27 | Imperios | Civilisation had to arrive to the West from somewhere |
| 15:02.35 | Wormy_ | Pythagoras on the Island of Samos wasn't far from that Asia Minor |
| 15:02.53 | Imperios | I actually wonder how much India has influenced China culturally as an older civilisation |
| 15:02.58 | Imperios | I should read on that |
| 15:03.05 | Wormy_ | Well there's Buddhism |
| 15:03.33 | Wormy_ | I know that most martial arts in the East descend from yoga |
| 15:04.09 | Imperios | The pagoda descends from Indian roofs I think |
| 15:04.19 | Imperios | Come to think about Southeast Asian architecture is very Indian-influenced |
| 15:05.17 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Chan_Chhaya_Pavilion.JPG I actually prefer Southeast Asia over East Asia in terms of architecture |
| 15:05.30 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of things in southeast asia are pretty Indian influenced really |
| 15:05.35 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 15:06.02 | Wormy_ | I can definitely see that. |
| 15:07.01 | Imperios | I actually do not like East Asian architecture that much |
| 15:07.06 | Imperios | It is very bland |
| 15:07.16 | Wormy_ | One thing I like about the Far East is the sycretic approach to religion: Taoism-Buddhism-Confusionism-Shamanic religions all in one. While Europe warred and politicalised even Christianity. |
| 15:07.37 | Wormy_ | Wonder what made it different |
| 15:08.40 | Wormy_ | (Not saying conflict was non-existent) |
| 15:09.32 | DrodoEmpire | Religions such as Christianity, Islam, etc. were the sort that actively *tried* to spread, I suppose, and were highly organized. Those could've been two things that made them and their followers more prone to violence or less tolerant of heresy |
| 15:09.49 | Imperios | Yes, heavy organisation |
| 15:10.18 | DrodoEmpire | While a lot of East Asian religions, rather than spreading forcefully or being highly organized, tended to mix with local belief and be a sort of local or ethnic religion |
| 15:11.01 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 15:11.51 | Wormy_ | Tibetan Buddhism has heavy overlays of Bön and Hinduism. |
| 15:12.09 | Wormy_ | While you can see the Taoist influences in Chan or Zen |
| 15:14.17 | Ghelaptop | I've sometimes wondered how the polytheism practised in pre-Christian Roman Europe would have evolved if nothing like Christianity had risen to displace it. |
| 15:15.09 | Imperios | It was already in decline, considering the amount of mystery cults |
| 15:15.15 | Imperios | Maybe we'd have Mithraism or something |
| 15:15.21 | Wormy_ | Given the Indo-Greek influence, perhaps things like gnosticism and hermesticism would have risen from the basis of Greco-Buddhist ideas and European polytheism |
| 15:15.36 | Imperios | But Gnosticism wouldn't have appeared without Christianity |
| 15:15.47 | Wormy_ | >Things like |
| 15:16.16 | Wormy_ | Since we know the basis of those ideas already existed |
| 15:16.42 | Ghelaptop | If we're going to consider Greco-Buddhist influence, might Buddhism have been thrown into the mix? |
| 15:16.51 | Wormy_ | Quite possibly |
| 15:17.10 | Wormy_ | And maybe even hinduism if it had a conduit through trade and so on. |
| 15:17.18 | Wormy_ | *Hinduism |
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| 15:18.47 | Ghelaptop | The possibility of Europeans syncretising Hindu beliefs into their own belief systems is one thing that came to mind. I don't know how realistic that is, though. |
| 15:18.57 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosophists |
| 15:19.20 | Wormy_ | There are certain similarities that both groups would find |
| 15:19.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh there was also that thing |
| 15:19.41 | DanzaDelMondo | Sol Invictus |
| 15:20.48 | Wormy_ | This man lists a huge group of religious movements condensed into a small area https://youtu.be/RIeYAENJlC4?t=17s |
| 15:23.01 | Ghelaptop | Were Mithraism and Sol Invinctus monotheistic or just monolatristic? |
| 15:24.51 | Wormy_ | I've noticed the Jewish mystic's Tree of Life looks like the yogic Kundalini system. |
| 15:25.33 | Wormy_ | the world tree appears across Indo-European religions, but perhaps especially European ones |
| 15:26.20 | Ghelaptop | Sure; it's probably a feature of the proto-Indo-European cosmology, or introduced to its early descendants from nearby. |
| 15:26.27 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 15:28.35 | Ghelaway | The suggestions of Mithraism and Sol Invictus being the future of Roman-era paganism seem to me to be saying that it was heading down something resembling a monotheistic route even without Christianity. |
| 15:34.43 | Wormy_ | Or perhaps Buddhist ideas would take hold, creating a kind of Gnostic-like religion that saw gods as evil, or that no such gods existed |
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| 15:44.06 | Xho | squawky squawkinson |
| 15:45.43 | Wormy_ | Actually I confused the Gnostic vision of God and the Demi-Urge |
| 15:45.53 | Xho | xhodocto.avi |
| 15:45.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:46.00 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 15:46.31 | Wormy_ | But it's not unlike the Buddhist idea of non-attachment to the sensory world. |
| 15:50.15 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 15:50.53 | Xho | asdf |
| 15:52.28 | DanzaDelMondo | iH |
| 15:52.52 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormy_: I actually planned once to explore Gnostic terms with the relationship between the Radeons and the Rades |
| 15:53.12 | DanzaDelMondo | *Gnostic ideas |
| 15:53.19 | Wormy_ | That sounds cool |
| 15:53.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Radeons would meet one of their surviving creators and then denounce him as a false god saying they went beyond what they planned |
| 15:53.37 | Wormy_ | I'm wondering whether to make a Pythagorean-type religion |
| 15:55.39 | Wormy_ | I see that you've called the Rades "Demi-urges" |
| 15:58.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Ya |
| 16:03.04 | Wormy_ | Orion's Arm has gnostic sci-fi religions |
| 16:03.36 | Wormy_ | http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/47995d19154e6 |
| 16:08.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Charles_Murray: I can't quite see the difference between "la" and "y" |
| 16:08.50 | DanzaDelMondo | la with a diacritic that is |
| 16:08.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Are they completely interchangeable? |
| 16:09.13 | Charles_Murray | In French? Give me the context? |
| 16:10.04 | DanzaDelMondo | As in the word for "there" |
| 16:10.13 | DanzaDelMondo | As I understand there are several |
| 16:10.22 | DanzaDelMondo | For example |
| 16:10.49 | DanzaDelMondo | In "Take a seat in my room, it'll be more comfortable for you there", is "la" the better word? |
| 16:10.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Or "y" |
| 16:13.00 | Charles_Murray | I'm not sure "y" can be used as a stand-in for "there" |
| 16:13.53 | Charles_Murray | "J'y suis allé" |
| 16:14.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Wait I think I got it |
| 16:14.25 | DanzaDelMondo | "y" is more like "it" especially when referring to a place |
| 16:14.34 | DanzaDelMondo | So when it is used as "there", it is more like "to it", as in, the palce |
| 16:14.45 | Charles_Murray | Not exactly |
| 16:14.52 | Charles_Murray | It's fairly unique to the French language |
| 16:15.04 | Charles_Murray | In that it is an anchor to a place/concept |
| 16:15.12 | Charles_Murray | But doesn't really mean much on its own |
| 16:16.23 | DanzaDelMondo | Right |
| 16:24.17 | Wormy_ | Xho: http://imgur.com/gallery/aBNxl |
| 16:29.23 | Xho | ngh |
| 16:29.59 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormy_ CharleS_Murray: http://img12.deviantart.net/4b88/i/2011/361/7/c/aph__silly_coats_of_arms_by_cadaska-d4kd3lw.jpg |
| 16:36.30 | Xho | OluapPlayer ImpyDroid: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1b/Kaicaiusarin2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160415163506 Nightmare Bitch Queen 3.0 |
| 16:36.56 | OluapPlayer | Spoky |
| 16:52.16 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 16:57.03 | DanzaDelMondo | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/yfpfbMQ.jpg We should make maps like these for Sim realms |
| 16:58.09 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - HOW'S THE WEATHER DOWN THERE Caligaduro - go fuck yourself |
| 16:59.09 | The_Randomness | I'm off for now, see you guys later |
| 16:59.57 | Wormy_ | I've been watching a series of Earthquakes in Japan these last few days, latest brought on a tsunami warning. Mag: 7.4; Depth: 15 km http://www.ga.gov.au/earthquakes/getQuakeDetails.do?quakeId=3807734&orid=1301053&sta=N/A |
| 17:12.14 | Wormy_ | She is wrong. The rational thing for a layman to do is take seriously the prevailing conception. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/276365-palin-bill-nye-as-much-as-scientist-as-i-am |
| 17:13.36 | DrodoEmpire | Well no I'd say that "laymen" should still be skeptical- Nobody should ever listen and believe |
| 17:13.37 | DrodoEmpire | However |
| 17:13.58 | DrodoEmpire | One should make sure they're listening to the right sources, and make a conclusion based on facts and honest sources |
| 17:14.04 | Wormy_ | Taking seriously is different to listening and believing. |
| 17:14.16 | DrodoEmpire | And if they do, they find out climate change is *probably* real and man-made |
| 17:15.00 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe, but I don't think things because others do personally |
| 17:15.45 | DrodoEmpire | Or, more specifically because its the consensus |
| 17:17.36 | Wormy_ | If there is a prevailing scientific conception about something, those with the prevailing obviously know more about the evidence, predictions and explanatory power of their conception more than I do. Therefore, one does not need to be scientifically literate to at least take that matter seriously. |
| 17:17.56 | Wormy_ | If you want to go about questioning that, it can only be through science, and that is to become one. |
| 17:18.07 | DrodoEmpire | No, that's not what I'm talking about |
| 17:18.21 | Wormy_ | But its what I'm talking about |
| 17:18.31 | DrodoEmpire | I thought you meant societal consensus, which I don't care for much at all |
| 17:18.42 | Wormy_ | What I mean by "take seriously" |
| 17:18.49 | Wormy_ | Nah |
| 17:21.33 | Wormy_ | People like Sarah Palin would rather the populace not take Bill Bye seriously, cheaply calling him out for not being a climate scientist and "not having the authority" to promote Anthropogenic Climate Change. But we are all under our own authority to choose. |
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| 17:29.05 | Wormy_ | By taking seriously, about anyone can be a scientist. We must educate ourselves the prevailing conception, learn the probability that we are causing climate change. And only then can we begin to criticise it scientifically. That would be the only rational criticism to make. |
| 17:30.12 | Wormy_ | So I think Bill Nye and other non-professionals are doing a good thing in promoting the idea for more to learn. It shouldn't hinge on his qualifications. |
| 17:31.50 | Wormy_ | (It's also why all lay criticisms of climate change, anthropogenic climate change and evolution fail) |
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| 17:51.40 | Quark8 | Hello. |
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| 17:53.36 | Xho | OluapPlayer ImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kaicaiusarin redid page |
| 17:58.14 | OluapPlayer | gud spot |
| 17:59.00 | Xho | Gotta do some more pages |
| 17:59.32 | Xho | I don't know what to do about the pages for Aethereus, Nalashtannylor and Kinmo |
| 17:59.41 | OluapPlayer | There was a servant of Nightmare-thingu whose page you never made |
| 17:59.42 | Xho | Since they're all now the same entity I dunno whether to merge them or not |
| 17:59.48 | Xho | who dat |
| 17:59.56 | OluapPlayer | He was in Tales of Chimps |
| 18:00.02 | Xho | Oh that gu |
| 18:00.03 | Xho | guy |
| 18:00.26 | Xho | Eh might as well redo the model while I'm at it |
| 18:01.25 | Xho | I'm introducing a festival thing for my Simulacra |
| 18:01.43 | Xho | Like a particular summoning date or day of the year where the Simulacrum has the most influence |
| 18:02.18 | OluapPlayer | Little do you know I had that idea weeks ago for Mortium hur |
| 18:02.27 | Xho | i am sort of good at this |
| 18:02.40 | OluapPlayer | For the Freelanders at least |
| 18:02.55 | OluapPlayer | Mortium appears to them once every year in a Day of the Dead-kinda holiday |
| 18:03.05 | Xho | Mortium - OLE |
| 18:03.19 | Xho | Kaicaiusarin's is 9 Mehnot's Rise, Caligaduro's is 21 Tempest's Apex, and Nalashtannylor's is 25 Crepescular Light |
| 18:03.22 | OluapPlayer | Mortium - get in el bag amigo |
| 18:03.49 | Xho | Asv-Aldz, hm |
| 18:04.10 | Xho | 14 Verdant Earth there we go |
| 18:05.20 | Xho | Kind of weird that Caligaduro and Nalashtannylor are winter deities |
| 18:05.26 | Xho | Well not really |
| 18:05.44 | Xho | Kaicaiusarin and Ramainaualmari are autumnal deities and Asv-Aldz is a spring deity |
| 18:06.36 | Xho | Unlike Soldalatel who's spring, summer and autumn because aúr akbar |
| 18:06.38 | OluapPlayer | Mortium - cold bone |
| 18:08.31 | Xho | Or conversely I could redo Asv-Aldz' page |
| 18:08.41 | Xho | Which I'm more inclined to do |
| 18:09.06 | OluapPlayer | git to it then |
| 18:09.19 | Xho | Well I need to remake Asv-Aldz first and probably give him a sigil |
| 18:10.01 | OluapPlayer | make sigil for rama-squid pls |
| 18:11.55 | Xho | fien |
| 18:26.25 | Xho | OluapPlayer: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c6/RamainaualmariSigil.png/revision/latest?cb=20160415182550 lovecraft and shi |
| 18:26.47 | OluapPlayer | Vargash - come take a dive fagit |
| 18:32.52 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.144) |
| 18:35.37 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbCevXQl1E&feature=youtu.be So I made a little animation for my sister |
| 18:36.03 | Xho | 10/10 greatest story ever told |
| 18:37.26 | OluapPlayer | I don't know what I expected |
| 18:41.36 | Technobliterator | wtf |
| 18:41.37 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 18:42.35 | Imperios | She asked me to animate the picture book she drew |
| 18:42.38 | Imperios | That was the first thing |
| 18:44.18 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho_ (97e0b21a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.224.178.26) |
| 18:44.21 | Xho_ | motherf-- |
| 18:50.24 | Xho_ | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/13010692_1186867911337084_6754710739974342978_n.jpg?oh=6b30864ebbc249a28020c7d41b341682&oe=577A95B5 "For a minute I thought this was Hogwarts" |
| 18:50.55 | OluapPlayer | One of the best looking areas of any game i've played lately |
| 18:51.05 | OluapPlayer | The game was not made for Nvidia graphics cards though |
| 18:51.22 | OluapPlayer | I'm having to run on the lowest possible settings to get a stable framerate so the game kinda looks poopy |
| 18:51.36 | Xho_ | Not for Nvidia graphics |
| 18:51.39 | Xho_ | WHAT IS THIS, 2007 |
| 18:52.25 | Xho_ | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12994496_1186889428001599_8874174712845748436_n.jpg?oh=9c5b0076c95b00069ea1f5e4918449dc&oe=57B57730 Oblivion's graphics were pretty great for its time |
| 18:52.36 | OluapPlayer | It seems like they made the port with ATI Radeon cards in mind because Nvidia users are all having severe performance problems |
| 18:52.38 | OluapPlayer | Me included |
| 18:52.47 | Xho_ | rly dum |
| 18:53.43 | OluapPlayer | I get the most issues in the game's hub area |
| 18:53.48 | OluapPlayer | aka the part you'll frequent the most |
| 18:53.59 | OluapPlayer | It's strange because Dark Souls 2 was a fantastic PC port |
| 18:55.12 | OluapPlayer | Rants aside, good game, getting pretty hard though |
| 18:56.10 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XzlIAM7rg |
| 18:56.42 | Technobliterator | holy shit |
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| 18:56.50 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 18:56.56 | Technobliterator | what mod is that 0.0 |
| 18:56.58 | Technobliterator | hi random |
| 18:57.02 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:57.21 | The_Randomness | Won't be on for too long, just wasting a little bit of time before class |
| 18:57.28 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:57.28 | OluapPlayer | It's sanic |
| 18:58.30 | OluapPlayer | I can't listen to the Sonic theme anymore without reminding myself of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjCu9IEJBRs |
| 18:58.49 | Technobliterator | oh god |
| 18:58.50 | Xho_ | "Hey it's Kylo Ren's theme" |
| 18:58.57 | Technobliterator | I love the sonic theme though |
| 19:00.15 | Xho_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vRlJrkxsqo |
| 19:01.56 | Technobliterator | pffffft |
| 19:02.02 | Xho_ | THE BEST |
| 19:08.04 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of repetition |
| 19:08.04 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdyEu5XTChk I am the law |
| 19:11.17 | Xho_ | ah this video |
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| 19:14.26 | Xho_ | OluapPlayer: Ice Age in a nutshell |
| 19:14.45 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 19:16.20 | The_Randomness | I'm off for now, see you guys later |
| 19:16.34 | Xho_ | What happened to Stgggs anyway |
| 19:17.10 | Charles_Murray | And here come the Free Cities of the French Empire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Free_Cities_of_the_Empire |
| 19:17.19 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid Tek0516 DrodoEmpire Imperios |
| 19:17.44 | OluapPlayer | I don't know who he is but as far as I see his channel got taken down because someone who was a target of his videos started flagging him |
| 19:18.09 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Make space Quebec |
| 19:18.17 | Imperios | With Poutine too |
| 19:18.44 | Imperios | Xho_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTpqC0XYNSQ&feature=youtu.be Behold, I made 8 more seconds of this |
| 19:18.46 | Xho_ | Wouldn't happen to be the DELETE THIS kid |
| 19:19.14 | Xho_ | Imperios: what anime is this |
| 19:19.46 | Imperios | Xho: Better than Naruto |
| 19:19.49 | OluapPlayer | >some whiney gurl contacted Youtube and got his account pulled |
| 19:19.54 | OluapPlayer | >She was the target in one of his latest vids, and she got mad and filed false copyright claims. Thanks to youtube's horrible automatic flagging process, she got his account pulled for "violating her copyright." |
| 19:19.58 | DrodoEmpire | Charles: looks good |
| 19:20.31 | DrodoEmpire | Though, I wonder why Tuvicsi doesn't also have a Borderlander Republic when it has a 3/4 majority Borderlander populatio |
| 19:20.32 | DrodoEmpire | *n |
| 19:20.47 | Charles_Murray | What did I put down/ |
| 19:20.48 | Charles_Murray | ? |
| 19:20.55 | Imperios | BTW are the alligators I made for you still a thing? |
| 19:20.59 | Imperios | For Borderlanders |
| 19:21.00 | Charles_Murray | Sure |
| 19:21.05 | DrodoEmpire | A Plutocratic Republic |
| 19:21.16 | DrodoEmpire | What's this? |
| 19:21.32 | Imperios | Hm |
| 19:21.34 | Imperios | Think modern Russi |
| 19:21.36 | Imperios | Russia |
| 19:21.44 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 19:21.44 | Charles_Murray | He's asking about the alligators |
| 19:21.44 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 19:21.46 | Charles_Murray | lol |
| 19:21.50 | DrodoEmpire | The alligators |
| 19:21.57 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire : Fixed, my mistake |
| 19:22.01 | DrodoEmpire | No problem |
| 19:22.15 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/aa/Jasperback_Alligator.png These lovelies |
| 19:22.24 | DrodoEmpire | Isee |
| 19:22.27 | DrodoEmpire | *I see |
| 19:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | What're they for? |
| 19:22.38 | Imperios | Since the Borderlands are basically reverse Louisiana, I thought you'd need some alligators |
| 19:22.50 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray: Cool. France is sounding more and more like the HRE now though. :P |
| 19:22.57 | DrodoEmpire | Alright lol |
| 19:23.27 | Charles_Murray | Basically, they alligators native to a borderlander planet which the Borderlanders trap, skin, and sell on the galactic market |
| 19:23.43 | DrodoEmpire | Okay cool |
| 19:23.55 | Charles_Murray | Alexandre - Habsburgs confirmed |
| 19:24.05 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Needs more incest |
| 19:24.11 | Charles_Murray | Needs more chin |
| 19:24.19 | Imperios | Incest-caused chin |
| 19:24.25 | OluapPlayer | Dracogonarious - what the fuck |
| 19:24.52 | Charles_Murray | We've already got royal marriage/realm inheritance down |
| 19:25.00 | Xho_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03NVOwAypO0 Just found Santorakh in one video |
| 19:25.17 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Dracogonarious proceed to start a universe-wide genocide of chimps for vengeance |
| 19:25.40 | OluapPlayer | ear rape is haram |
| 19:26.32 | Xho_ | This is why you have it on a lower volume silly |
| 19:27.40 | Charles_Murray | Any advice/feedback on presentation in the territory section as I'm working on it? |
| 19:27.50 | Imperios | A small description could work |
| 19:27.53 | Imperios | Like a few sentences |
| 19:27.58 | Imperios | Two or three |
| 19:28.34 | Charles_Murray | You and your sentences which would never fit in tables |
| 19:28.36 | Imperios | Xho_: I imagine Santorakh's human form as a black man |
| 19:28.44 | Xho_ | ainsley |
| 19:28.51 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Try to do what Cyr does |
| 19:28.54 | OluapPlayer | Cheese oil |
| 19:28.55 | Imperios | In his republic page |
| 19:28.59 | Xho_ | good lord |
| 19:29.00 | Imperios | republic military |
| 19:29.19 | Imperios | Like a well-dressed, soft-spoken but eccentric West African man |
| 19:29.25 | Imperios | Think Idris Elba |
| 19:29.27 | Imperios | Or Ainsley |
| 19:29.46 | Xho_ | Idris Elba as Santorakh |
| 19:29.49 | Xho_ | I cannot imagine that |
| 19:29.59 | OluapPlayer | Kanye West was a Taldar, now Ainsley was a Xhodocto |
| 19:30.20 | Imperios | Hm |
| 19:30.24 | Xho_ | Kanye strikes me more as a Ravenrii since he's disappeared up his own ass |
| 19:30.28 | Imperios | Ainsley is Santorakh then Angazhar is hm |
| 19:30.51 | OluapPlayer | Kim Jong Un |
| 19:30.53 | Imperios | Actually Ice Cube |
| 19:31.11 | Imperios | http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/09/16/16-ice-cube-scrooge.w529.h529.jpg He looks pretty evil |
| 19:31.29 | OluapPlayer | Always proclaiming he's gonna destroy everyone but never actually does it, and everyone under him is perpetually miserable |
| 19:31.55 | Charles_Murray | Map of French territories in Mirus: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0f/French_Mirus_Colonies_map.png/revision/latest?cb=20160315200055 |
| 19:33.33 | Imperios | >Wuj'Uff |
| 19:33.41 | Imperios | That's a R17 name |
| 19:33.56 | Charles_Murray | GD named those planets xD |
| 19:34.53 | OluapPlayer | I'd have expected Demogorgon Prime to be a smoldering ruin by now |
| 19:34.54 | OluapPlayer | Or to have been annihilated |
| 19:35.26 | Imperios | Turned into smoldering ruin |
| 19:35.45 | Imperios | Then the French grow wine and grain for baguettes there on the volcanic soil |
| 19:35.47 | Xho_ | Angazhar - always good to keep them on their toes |
| 19:36.26 | OluapPlayer | Reminds me GD seems to be having another one of his breakfast breaks |
| 19:36.32 | Charles_Murray | It was abandoned (in smoldering ruin) in 2795, then seized and rebuilt by the DCP in 2801. During the Second Battle of DP, the French stormed it and then re-fortified it |
| 19:36.43 | Charles_Murray | in 2802 |
| 19:36.57 | Imperios | Do not forget growing wine and grain for baguettes |
| 19:37.03 | Imperios | Pastures too for additional cheese |
| 19:37.10 | OluapPlayer | I don't see why anyone would want to keep that planet around in-universe |
| 19:37.13 | OluapPlayer | but that's just me |
| 19:37.17 | Imperios | It's useful |
| 19:37.28 | Charles_Murray | As one of the galaxy's most fortified planets, it's crucial |
| 19:37.35 | Imperios | Probably a lot of useful metal and stuff around |
| 19:37.52 | OluapPlayer | Too much negativity linked to it |
| 19:38.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not from me... :p |
| 19:38.04 | Charles_Murray | Its climate and geography lends itself to its role as a fortress world, plus all of the Dominatus infrastructure which can be rebuilt |
| 19:38.08 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:38.30 | Technobliterator | Taldar Kanye West is retconned out |
| 19:38.32 | Charles_Murray | Other than a permanent garrison, nobody else lives on it |
| 19:38.36 | Technobliterator | it will be a joke for two lines |
| 19:38.45 | Technobliterator | then it will go back to just beign a normal Taldar |
| 19:39.08 | OluapPlayer | I'll never live it down |
| 19:39.09 | OluapPlayer | Like i never live any joke done here down unless they're aimed at me |
| 19:39.16 | OluapPlayer | In that case fuck u |
| 19:39.23 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray: To be fair, nobody else *wants* to live on it, chances are. XD |
| 19:39.28 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Well |
| 19:39.29 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 19:39.34 | Imperios | Berlin was rebuilt wasn't it |
| 19:39.37 | Imperios | After WW2 |
| 19:39.41 | Xho_ | OluapPlayer: funi cuz u r da joke rekt rekt rekt wolol |
| 19:39.45 | Imperios | We're going to rebuild Raqqa also |
| 19:39.47 | OluapPlayer | ban |
| 19:39.49 | Imperios | Palmyra is being rebuilt |
| 19:39.50 | Xho_ | NOOOH |
| 19:40.02 | Imperios | I mentioned Raqqa |
| 19:40.08 | Imperios | I feel an urge to kill ISIS militants |
| 19:40.10 | Imperios | IS it okay? |
| 19:40.13 | Imperios | *Is |
| 19:40.14 | OluapPlayer | The only name I recognize there is Berlin |
| 19:40.20 | Imperios | Raqqa = ISIS capital |
| 19:40.39 | Charles_Murray | Raqqa and Palmyra are in Syria, Palmyra was held by ISIS until recently |
| 19:40.51 | Imperios | Also happened to be the capital of Harun al-Rashid, who was the prototype for the Sultan in Aladdin |
| 19:41.08 | Charles_Murray | Not his most important achievement |
| 19:41.18 | Imperios | Harun al |
| 19:41.21 | Imperios | -Rashid's? |
| 19:41.24 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 19:41.26 | Imperios | Well yes |
| 19:41.35 | OluapPlayer | aladeen |
| 19:41.36 | Imperios | But that means IS's capital is basically Agrabah |
| 19:41.57 | Charles_Murray | I wouldn't say there's negativity around it; Nobody wants to live there, so it doesn't have centrality for regular people or France's ideological reasoning behind its presence in Mirus |
| 19:42.01 | OluapPlayer | I'll only accept it if their supreme leader can shapeshift into a snake and has a talking parrot companion |
| 19:42.07 | Charles_Murray | But for history and military buffs, it's crucial |
| 19:42.17 | Charles_Murray | As well as French strategic planning |
| 19:42.18 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Holy shit you made me want to photoshop this |
| 19:42.27 | Imperios | Add snake eyes to al-Baghdadi and give him a parrot |
| 19:42.27 | Technobliterator | still not sure how to moov Da Reckoning |
| 19:42.41 | Charles_Murray | Which fronts need to move? |
| 19:42.41 | OluapPlayer | Well |
| 19:42.46 | OluapPlayer | All of them |
| 19:42.59 | OluapPlayer | Except Borealis cause that's finished(tm) |
| 19:43.07 | Xho_ | Makes me wonder whether the PAE would make use of Protogenis if they managed to take it over |
| 19:43.11 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 19:43.15 | Xho_ | Protogenis being the Dominion's capital planet |
| 19:43.19 | Technobliterator | every front except Borealis |
| 19:43.30 | Imperios | Xho_: Well Xhos are not Dominatus, their planets are not salvageable |
| 19:43.31 | Technobliterator | The Milky Way front just needs someone to off Knar'gank, though |
| 19:43.34 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - get off my prized cheese wheel |
| 19:43.38 | Technobliterator | After that, it can be concluded |
| 19:43.57 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : I can try to move on the Milky Way front if you like |
| 19:43.58 | Imperios | If they keep it, I think the demonic aura around Protogenis will simply drive the colonists insane and they'll restore the Dominion |
| 19:44.05 | Technobliterator | yes please :o |
| 19:44.07 | Xho_ | Krathazhrukhal - GOOD |
| 19:44.48 | OluapPlayer | It'd probably end up like trying to salvage a Corruptus Overworld |
| 19:44.54 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannians tried that and look what happened |
| 19:45.16 | Xho_ | "lol" - Shu'rimrodir |
| 19:45.54 | Xho_ | I need to do Protogenis' page but I don't really know how to do an image for it |
| 19:45.55 | Imperios | Doms are not supernatural tho so their territory would probably be salvageable |
| 19:46.46 | Xho_ | That and I hate doing Fictionverse pages in general |
| 19:46.49 | Charles_Murray | Right, their strength comes from their industrial capacity |
| 19:47.34 | Imperios | I actually wonder if it possible to kick the Dominion out of Andromeda |
| 19:47.36 | Charles_Murray | Which can then be leveraged by subsequent powers, such as the mess of people that crowded into former Tyranny space after they fell xD |
| 19:47.53 | Xho_ | For the record, not really no |
| 19:47.57 | Technobliterator | Charles_Murray, can't remember if you finished the other French section, but the next one could involve them defeating Knar'gank the way we discussed |
| 19:48.07 | Technobliterator | and then it'd just be up to Wormy and I for the Milky Way front to be finished |
| 19:48.24 | Xho_ | The PAE could probably match the Dominion's military might but then you've got the infinite swarms of extradimensional horros |
| 19:48.26 | Xho_ | horrors |
| 19:48.35 | Charles_Murray | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5b/Map_of_the_Modern_Former_Dominatus_Territories.png/revision/latest?cb=20160315192724 |
| 19:49.05 | DrodoEmpire | Also Charles_Murray and me need to finish our Quadrants section at some point |
| 19:49.10 | DrodoEmpire | So we'll try to get that movin |
| 19:49.12 | DrodoEmpire | *g |
| 19:49.18 | Imperios | BOREALUM |
| 19:49.43 | Xho_ | We did have the discussion of reviving the Tuuros Galaxy although that fizzled out rather quickly |
| 19:49.53 | Xho_ | I had a sad that day |
| 19:50.09 | OluapPlayer | You said "the wiki should decide" but then went nowhere with it |
| 19:50.18 | OluapPlayer | If you want a discussion then make a forum so the wiki can decide |
| 19:50.22 | Xho_ | cuz the wiki didn't decide |
| 19:50.24 | Xho_ | u all dum |
| 19:50.34 | OluapPlayer | no u dum not makin a forum to discuss |
| 19:50.43 | Wormy_ | u all bloody dum |
| 19:51.04 | Xho_ | At least with a Tuuros Galaxy setting I'd have a chance to go properly structured Fictionverse stuff |
| 19:51.16 | Xho_ | All of my Fictionverse stuff is a chaotic and decaying mismatch of crazy |
| 19:51.37 | Imperios | SPACE MARINES, AUJOURD'HUI LE ENNEMI EST A NOTRE PORTE |
| 19:51.50 | Imperios | L'ENNEMI even |
| 19:51.57 | Xho_ | lul grammar'd |
| 19:53.05 | Imperios | What would be French for space marines even |
| 19:53.25 | Charles_Murray | The French typically just Frenchify the word "Marines" and leave out "Space" |
| 19:53.30 | OluapPlayer | Frog Legs |
| 19:53.34 | Xho_ | gg |
| 19:53.37 | Charles_Murray | But one of my favorites is "Chasseurs-marins" |
| 19:53.59 | Technobliterator | Imperios, y u no finish Reckoning section from ages ago |
| 19:54.06 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I have the mental image of French soldiers with cybernetic legs literally jumping on the battlefield like frogs |
| 19:54.07 | Charles_Murray | Or "Commandos Marins" |
| 19:54.18 | Charles_Murray | >.< |
| 19:54.21 | Xho_ | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ignis_the_Maniacal You have a lawsuit on your hands |
| 19:54.52 | OluapPlayer | I've seen |
| 19:54.52 | OluapPlayer | I just ignore it |
| 19:55.19 | Imperios | We have no word for "marines" in Russian at all |
| 19:55.20 | Technobliterator | wtf |
| 19:55.36 | Imperios | Just "sea infantry" |
| 19:55.56 | Charles_Murray | Same in French |
| 19:55.56 | Imperios | Starcraft has the stupid tradition of translating "Terran marines" as "Terran sea infantry" |
| 19:56.05 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 19:56.06 | Charles_Murray | olol |
| 19:56.40 | Imperios | The most common term I see is "desantniki" |
| 19:56.55 | Imperios | "Cosmodesantniki" or "Cosmicheskiye desantniki" |
| 19:57.24 | Imperios | Basically "landing forces" or "troopers" or something, which kind of makes sense for Warhammer 40000 at leastg |
| 19:57.29 | Imperios | Because STEEL REHN |
| 19:58.20 | Xho_ | Well I just downloaded Oblivion |
| 19:58.24 | Xho_ | Let's see if it works |
| 19:58.26 | Imperios | Stop right there |
| 19:59.10 | Imperios | Technobliterator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sJzh-maOic |
| 20:01.04 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 20:04.24 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTpqC0XYNSQ For some reason I can't watch this with a straight face |
| 20:09.07 | Wormy_ | Huh I just realised Elvis was an alien and beamed up to his mothership that was detected in the Solar System as the WOW signal the day before. |
| 20:09.31 | Wormy_ | His body must have been a cloned mannequin. |
| 20:09.50 | Wormy_ | Freshly prepared for his departure. |
| 20:10.07 | Charles_Murray | ? |
| 20:10.35 | Xho_ | Holy shit Oblivion works |
| 20:12.14 | *** join/#sporewiki Charles_Bot (uid94017@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fyyhhygoducntakw) |
| 20:13.15 | Imperios | Xho: http://cs543105.vk.me/v543105346/13d60/H8o9Wr6DcAc.jpg |
| 20:13.32 | Imperios | The man who is posting this is an actual Russian movie director |
| 20:13.34 | Imperios | Well |
| 20:13.36 | Imperios | Armenian-Russian |
| 20:16.20 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://cs543105.vk.me/v543105346/13bc8/fn1S0xuZsAc.jpg |
| 20:17.25 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106732/5583c/zgZ_WfWWO_c.jpg Jesus-level alcoholic |
| 20:17.38 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 20:17.58 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 20:21.08 | Imperios | Xho_: http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106732/555ff/J1YnbDD_P4s.jpg |
| 20:21.27 | Xho_ | hoh |
| 20:21.30 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106732/555e3/qzMeRqdlTDY.jpg Russia |
| 20:21.52 | OluapPlayer | Wow |
| 20:33.58 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: What would be French for "wish someone to do something"? |
| 20:34.21 | Charles_Bot | In what context? |
| 20:34.32 | Imperios | Like "I wish you to spend your holidays well" |
| 20:36.46 | Charles_Bot | "J'espère que tu ne passera pas tes vacances a faire n'importe quoi" |
| 20:37.09 | Charles_Bot | One possible translation, depending on what you mean |
| 20:41.16 | Charles_Bot | I Imperios |
| 20:41.27 | Imperios | rite |
| 20:46.32 | Wormy_ | Why have I never heard of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Towers |
| 20:48.27 | DrodoEmpire | Watt towers are those? |
| 20:48.30 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 20:49.08 | Wormy_ | hur |
| 20:51.12 | OluapPlayer | dam u |
| 20:59.23 | Wormy_ | http://phys.org/news/2016-04-deleting-quicktime-windows.html |
| 21:13.27 | *** join/#sporewiki Monet (~Monet47@cpc90522-gill20-2-0-cust960.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 21:16.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Monet |
| 21:16.20 | Monet | hi |
| 21:19.32 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 21:25.55 | *** join/#sporewiki Quark8 (49c685a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.198.133.167) |
| 21:26.00 | Quark8 | Hey. |
| 21:28.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 21:42.12 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Meet the Meatbot http://imgur.com/gallery/ZbTfL |
| 21:42.37 | Wormy_ | Monet, Tek0516 Xho_ OluapPlayer Imperios |
| 21:42.44 | Tek0516 | Yes? |
| 21:42.50 | Wormy_ | Check out that link |
| 21:42.57 | OluapPlayer | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:42.57 | OluapPlayer | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:42.57 | DrodoEmpire | Uh |
| 21:43.01 | Xho_ | no |
| 21:43.04 | Imperios | A homunculus |
| 21:43.05 | Xho_ | no god no |
| 21:43.08 | Imperios | It is fucking awesome |
| 21:43.09 | DrodoEmpire | Science may've just gone too far there |
| 21:43.13 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 21:43.24 | Xho_ | "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" |
| 21:43.42 | Wormy_ | It's the future! |
| 21:43.46 | Imperios | Xho_: What are you talking about |
| 21:43.47 | Imperios | It is awesome |
| 21:43.51 | Imperios | Basically a synth |
| 21:44.25 | Monet | Creepy but I agree with Imp. |
| 21:44.26 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/2VNASki.jpg |
| 21:44.27 | Xho_ | It's a mechanically reanimated corpse |
| 21:44.40 | Imperios | Xho_: So THAT'S where all the Planned Parenthood baby body parts are going... |
| 21:45.17 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: According to the comments it's apparently not real? O.o |
| 21:45.34 | Wormy_ | My dream of having a new body when I become old comes a step closer |
| 21:46.39 | Monet | Is a good gimick though |
| 21:47.15 | Imperios | Wait it is fake |
| 21:47.43 | Monet | "Meatbot" limbs could do wonders for the prosthetics industry. |
| 21:47.46 | Wormy_ | Its a real robot |
| 21:47.58 | Monet | Or "meatbot"_like organs. |
| 21:47.59 | Wormy_ | Fake meat |
| 21:48.04 | Technobliterator | ok peoples |
| 21:48.09 | Technobliterator | HUGE update to Reckoning coming |
| 21:48.27 | Wormy_ | If you want to do it to real meat, pour salt on it |
| 21:48.51 | Technobliterator | And hopefully this time this will be the last update before I finish the other fronts : | |
| 21:52.13 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#The_Rogue_Sin |
| 21:52.51 | Wormy_ | They have an awesome web design http://themodularbody.com/ |
| 21:55.32 | Wormy_ | According to the website, they based on real research where plastic organs are used as scaffolding for human cells. I think its art really (and probably fake given the resources you need for that) but it points out something very real. |
| 21:56.05 | Wormy_ | Maybe promotional for the research |
| 22:01.46 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/saRXvpt |
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| 22:06.16 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 22:06.34 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 22:06.51 | Xho_ | OluapPlayer: Angazhar - YOU CAN'T EVEN TORMENT THE UNIVERSE PROPERLY |
| 22:07.00 | Xho_ | And hi |
| 22:07.33 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:07.53 | Technobliterator | Well, this is his third attempt :p |
| 22:07.56 | Technobliterator | hi again |
| 22:10.55 | Wormy_ | ur a bad smell Zargoth |
| 22:11.52 | Technobliterator | His appearance in Da Reckoning is only brief, and it's only really to hint at another story |
| 22:12.21 | Technobliterator | So technically Da Reckoning suffers from comic book film crisis |
| 22:12.29 | Technobliterator | where it has to include references to future stories |
| 22:13.52 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.144) |
| 22:14.09 | ImpyDroid | Xho_: I had an idea for a Shia character |
| 22:14.19 | Xho_ | LaBoeuf |
| 22:14.27 | Technobliterator | impydroid, read Reckoning plz |
| 22:14.34 | The_Randomness | Xho_: DO IT |
| 22:14.39 | Xho_ | JUST DO IT |
| 22:14.42 | The_Randomness | YES YOU CAN |
| 22:14.43 | Technobliterator | JUST DO IT |
| 22:14.48 | Technobliterator | what was that video |
| 22:14.50 | ImpyDroid | A Khoyan'Xa emperor who is basically the Shiarchon's chief non-Shia strategist, |
| 22:14.52 | Technobliterator | where someone remixed that into a song |
| 22:15.06 | ImpyDroid | He is disciplined as fuck and hates Khorlorons for that reason |
| 22:15.15 | ImpyDroid | Ordnung muss sein except black |
| 22:15.16 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/HKuh86b |
| 22:15.52 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~Anders@95.140.92.144) |
| 22:16.47 | ImpyDroid | Also he should have a South African accent |
| 22:17.11 | Xho_ | I think I had the Khoyan'Xa retconned out of the Legion |
| 22:17.24 | ImpyDroid | They are still mentioned |
| 22:17.37 | ImpyDroid | I even made an updated model for them |
| 22:19.01 | Xho_ | Oh right now I remember I gave them to you |
| 22:21.19 | ImpyDroid | I turned them into red-eyed Zulu through my Civ fanboy power |
| 22:22.00 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: Speaking of Zulu http://imgur.com/gallery/n88sT |
| 22:26.27 | ImpyDroid | Is there any reason they have red eyes BTW |
| 22:26.38 | Xho_ | Nope |
| 22:26.50 | ImpyDroid | I wonder if they are corrupted somehow or just enslaved humans |
| 22:27.11 | OluapPlayer | They have red eyes because you gave them red eyes hur |
| 22:27.47 | ImpyDroid | True that but now that I think about it is it just some natural thing or a result of Shia corruption |
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| 22:28.53 | Xho_ | It could be conditioning to Abyssus' atmosphere but seriously there's no reason behind them having red eyes |
| 22:29.30 | Tybusen | Yeah they should really check their camera lenses |
| 22:29.58 | Xho_ | dur |
| 22:31.54 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 22:32.33 | ImpyDroid | 9988 described them as being numerous as fuck |
| 22:32.42 | Xho_ | That's about it |
| 22:32.47 | ImpyDroid | I wonder how that is even possible if they are barely out of the stone age |
| 22:33.00 | Xho_ | For a guy with a lot of patience for making those maps hardly any of his stuff made sense |
| 22:33.03 | ImpyDroid | Wouldn't they starve in those conditions |
| 22:33.50 | ImpyDroid | Maybe the Shias provided them with agricultural knowledge and food or something |
| 22:34.03 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, read reckoning plz |
| 22:34.05 | Technobliterator | hi ty |
| 22:34.09 | Xho_ | Chances are they probably conquered them and then assimilated them |
| 22:34.27 | Xho_ | The Shiarchon have a 5000 year history of doing that |
| 22:34.34 | Xho_ | Or just completely wiping them out, take your pick |
| 22:35.14 | ImpyDroid | That does not explain their immense numbers |
| 22:35.24 | ImpyDroid | Would be interesting if they kept fighting for a long time so the Shias were like "FUCK THIS" and bribed them into service with tech and weapons |
| 22:35.50 | ImpyDroid | Or defeated their champions in a some sort of honourable duel |
| 22:36.07 | Xho_ | Well the difference of advancement between the Shiarchon and the Khoyan'Xa |
| 22:36.11 | Xho_ | Numbers won't mean much |
| 22:36.52 | ImpyDroid | As in why would there be so many of them if they are so primitive |
| 22:37.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:37.20 | ImpyDroid | Shias must have provided them some crops or something in order for that to make sense |
| 22:37.24 | DrodoEmpire | No society that lacks a form of agriculture can ever be very numerous |
| 22:38.22 | Xho_ | In that case the Shiarchon are probably breeding a cannon fodder army out of them |
| 22:38.31 | ImpyDroid | Would make sense |
| 22:38.37 | Xho_ | That then turned into three million |
| 22:38.40 | Xho_ | Because why not lol |
| 22:40.12 | ImpyDroid | Would be interesting for them to offer some resistance before being conquered though |
| 22:40.42 | ImpyDroid | Like Russians who conquered the most rebellious Siberia tribes by introducing them to vodka |
| 22:40.55 | Xho_ | troll |
| 22:41.00 | Xho_ | I suppose so |
| 22:41.11 | Xho_ | But it would be literally a caveman going against Rome |
| 22:41.42 | Xho_ | I guess the Shiarchon would humour them somewhat |
| 22:42.07 | Xho_ | I could imagine Julianus almost cruelly humouring a duel of champions |
| 22:42.43 | ImpyDroid | Xho_: >a caveman going against rome |
| 22:42.49 | ImpyDroid | But that actually happened in Britaim |
| 22:42.54 | ImpyDroid | *Britain |
| 22:43.03 | Xho_ | Okay probably a bit inaccurate |
| 22:43.13 | Xho_ | A caveman going against elven rome backed by the god of destruction |
| 22:43.14 | Xho_ | there we go |
| 22:43.22 | DrodoEmpire | That's... Er, no, Impy. The Celts were *not* that backward :p |
| 22:43.42 | DrodoEmpire | They were tribal, yes, but they still actually had a good degree of social organization and some technology |
| 22:43.48 | Xho_ | It wouldn't be a fair fight let's put it that way and that's being objective |
| 22:43.53 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:44.02 | ImpyDroid | Well these guys are based on the Zulus |
| 22:44.16 | DrodoEmpire | At the same time few fights or wars are fair |
| 22:44.18 | ImpyDroid | I'd say Zulu and Celts were roughly on the same level? |
| 22:44.24 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
| 22:44.29 | DrodoEmpire | Somewhat, maybe |
| 22:44.30 | Wormy_ | Did the Zulu master bronze? |
| 22:44.36 | Tybusen | I'd imagine Zulus were definitely more advanced, no? |
| 22:44.36 | Wormy_ | *copper |
| 22:44.39 | ImpyDroid | They had iron |
| 22:44.44 | ImpyDroid | Yes I think they were |
| 22:44.49 | Tybusen | 1000 years of development will do that for you |
| 22:44.57 | Wormy_ | What did they do with the iron? |
| 22:44.58 | Xho_ | Well the Zulus managed to last until the mid 1800s so |
| 22:44.59 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: Well being in Southern Africa meant they had no horses |
| 22:45.05 | DrodoEmpire | Well development takes more than just time |
| 22:45.11 | ImpyDroid | That kind if stifled their development |
| 22:45.14 | ImpyDroid | *of |
| 22:45.21 | Wormy_ | A good question to ask is more than just what they had, its also about what they did with it |
| 22:45.21 | DrodoEmpire | South africa isn't the best place to build a civilization in terms of geography |
| 22:45.34 | DrodoEmpire | They made weapons and tools like any other culture\ |
| 22:45.34 | Wormy_ | Obviously weapons, but what else |
| 22:45.36 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy |
| 22:46.03 | Tybusen | By the time the Zulus hit their peak though, I'd think they had already gained more advanced technology than the Celts through trade with Western colonists |
| 22:46.25 | Xho_ | Then again in Fantasyverse terms you're a band of tribals going effectively against a thirty thousand year old power |
| 22:46.38 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes, they had had some supply of muskets |
| 22:47.03 | DrodoEmpire | Zulus weren't very good shots and had no real way to produce them themselves though I don't think |
| 22:47.14 | DrodoEmpire | So its a bit of a weird issue |
| 22:47.21 | Tybusen | Yeah, the weapon the Zulus are known for is the Ilkwa |
| 22:47.26 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:47.30 | Tybusen | Which was a wooden spear with an iron spearpoint |
| 22:47.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I know |
| 22:47.52 | DrodoEmpire | The Zulus probably had superior military organization |
| 22:48.04 | Xho_ | ImpyDroid: But yeah I could imagine a duel of champions or something as a form of rebellion |
| 22:48.10 | ImpyDroid | Could be ya |
| 22:48.11 | DrodoEmpire | The Zulu Kingdom established regiments and used pretty sophisticated tactics afterall |
| 22:48.17 | Wormy_ | According to this, Celts had iron too http://www.ancient.eu/celt/ |
| 22:48.22 | Tybusen | Superior military organization was what allowed them to beat the British in the first place |
| 22:48.30 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: ...Of course they did >.< |
| 22:48.42 | DrodoEmpire | And they were accomplished ironworkers at that |
| 22:48.58 | Wormy_ | I had to look as I honestly couldn't remember |
| 22:49.01 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Well beat them in like one and maybe another battle yeah |
| 22:49.05 | ImpyDroid | Do non-Shias in Shialand have their native titles or Shia ones |
| 22:49.16 | Xho_ | Officially, Shiarchon titles |
| 22:49.18 | Wormy_ | I have been to the remains of their hillforts |
| 22:49.22 | ImpyDroid | Like would a Khoyan ruler be a Legate or a King |
| 22:49.25 | Xho_ | Dark Elvish or Old Tongue, either or |
| 22:49.30 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Still an impressive accomplishment to beat rifles with spears |
| 22:49.39 | Monet | Not even ROme was invincible though. |
| 22:49.41 | Xho_ | Those living under the Shiarchon's rule adhere to the Shiarchon's laws so a Legate |
| 22:49.50 | Xho_ | Or Legatus |
| 22:49.56 | Monet | Take its fights with the Germanic tribes. |
| 22:50.20 | Xho_ | Well there's three main powers on Koldenwelt that could take on the Shiarchon |
| 22:50.31 | Tybusen | Rome was never able to conquer Germany, if I'm recalling correctly |
| 22:50.43 | Xho_ | Empire of Man, Sovereignty of Dryada and the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth |
| 22:50.54 | Xho_ | Not sure how many warriors they have between them though |
| 22:50.58 | ImpyDroid | Does that mean Kebra'Osos is actually a legate |
| 22:51.16 | Xho_ | I guess but you're not going to call a Khorloron something he doesn't like being called |
| 22:51.18 | Monet | Tybusen: And when it tried to assimilate Germans, they bit back. |
| 22:52.11 | Tybusen | If I recall correctly, the Romans started hiring German mercenaries during the decline of the Empire since they didn't have the resources to train enough Roman legionnaires |
| 22:52.28 | Tybusen | Which was a contributing factor to the decline of Rome's military eminence |
| 22:52.33 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 22:52.51 | ImpyDroid | "However, unique volcanic vegetation, rich in nutrients has been grown in Abyssus' territories and therefore are distributed in wide supply for the masses as staple food. Occasionally, food harvested for the Shiarchon become food harvested for the non-Shiarchon populace." |
| 22:52.58 | Monet | The German mercenaries held no loyalties to Rome besides the danarii they were offered. |
| 22:53.03 | ImpyDroid | Do not ask me why but I imagine Shiarchon slaves eating pasta |
| 22:53.14 | ImpyDroid | Maybe because Rome -> Italy |
| 22:53.15 | Xho_ | Shiarchon - be upset and eat pasta right now |
| 22:53.22 | Monet | denarii* |
| 22:53.53 | Xho_ | When it mentions food for the Shiarchon, primarily meat |
| 22:53.54 | Xho_ | Well |
| 22:54.04 | Xho_ | Strictly meat, Shiarchon can't eat anything else but meat |
| 22:55.02 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Yeah it certainly is, and the won battle they did win (Isandlwana?) was pretty decisive |
| 22:55.02 | Monet | So those expansive fields could be used for cereals to support Shiarchon pastures. |
| 22:55.11 | DrodoEmpire | Then the British got wise to their tactics, though |
| 22:55.13 | Xho_ | More or less |
| 22:55.30 | Xho_ | There are also breakaway tribes in Abyssus who basically go 'fuck the legion; |
| 22:55.51 | Xho_ | Although the Shiarchon deem them so insignificant that they let them live as a source of comedy |
| 22:55.51 | Wormy_ | The Zulu seem more united than the Celts to me. Although the Celts did have united movements but probably never lasted as long as the leader or until a goal had been reached. |
| 22:56.00 | DrodoEmpire | That's true |
| 22:56.01 | Tybusen | Yeah, the problem with tactical advantages is that they evaporate pretty quickly once the enemy figures out what they are |
| 22:56.25 | Xho_ | I need to re-write the Legion's page |
| 22:56.28 | DrodoEmpire | The Zulus were definitely better organized than the Celts |
| 22:56.28 | Tybusen | The Zulus did have a formal empire under Shaka |
| 22:56.34 | Xho_ | It still refers to Kalarah as Patriarch rather than Imperator |
| 22:56.46 | Xho_ | In places anyway |
| 22:56.49 | DrodoEmpire | It was pretty recent by the time of the British but it was an Empire |
| 22:57.04 | OluapPlayer | Kalarah - im the big daddy |
| 22:57.16 | Xho_ | Septimus - dat just disturbing |
| 22:57.29 | Xho_ | I'd like to know who would win in a war between the Orichalcum Elves and the Shiarchon |
| 22:57.35 | Wormy_ | Technologically and in reach they seem similar, but the Zulu had the advantage of trade as was said already. |
| 22:58.06 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah though I'd say that that trade advantage can't be exaggerated |
| 22:58.27 | DrodoEmpire | Again, most firearms the Zulus acquired were very old and they had no real training in their use |
| 22:58.29 | Xho_ | I'd say the Shiarchon due to the fact that the Shiarchon's war machine is far more developed than the Orichalcum Elves' |
| 22:58.39 | DrodoEmpire | I'd say the real advantage the Zulus would have is in their organization |
| 22:58.55 | Xho_ | Although the Orichalcum Elves had much bigger numbers over a greater coverage |
| 22:58.57 | DrodoEmpire | Regimental systems and a centralized government are more important in a war than the possession of some guns |
| 23:08.13 | DrodoEmpire | "We are in the year 2376. I-Pods have conqered the world. And Day-Z Standalone is still in Alpha" |
| 23:12.33 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.54 | Wormy_ | "There is a great intellectual step forward, when man splits a piece wood or a piece of stone. And lays bare in that, the print before nature had split it." |
| 23:13.12 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:13.13 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.38 | Wormy_ | Another example: the Ancient Greeks were great geometers and built great column-based structures, one wonders why they did not built stone archers while Romans did. And if Greeks did on occasion, it never spread. |
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| 23:16.30 | Monet | Hi |
| 23:16.41 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 23:17.00 | Monet | I find it quite interesting how not every army (I might be mistaken) mass-adopted the bow. |
| 23:17.29 | Monet | I don't hear much of Hellenic archers |
| 23:17.40 | DrodoEmpire | Well, there were some |
| 23:17.55 | DrodoEmpire | Not all armies had them as a primary or essential bit |
| 23:19.13 | DrodoEmpire | I believe the island of Crete was known for its archers for a *very* long time |
| 23:19.49 | DrodoEmpire | From like the bronze age to their last significant use in 1453 |
| 23:20.00 | Wormy_ | *stone arches |
| 23:20.06 | DrodoEmpire | *AD 1453, that is |
| 23:21.14 | DrodoEmpire | Also the bow has its weaknesses |
| 23:21.32 | DrodoEmpire | Compared to other ranged weapons of the time they were really expensive |
| 23:21.38 | DrodoEmpire | Even absurdly so |
| 23:21.55 | Monet | That might explai nthe javelin's popularity. |
| 23:22.00 | DrodoEmpire | And the sling |
| 23:31.26 | Tybusen | that and bows can only attack from two tiles away |
| 23:31.27 | Wormy_ | Perhaps its a story of how ancient cultures are represented. We naturally imagine Roman legions with javelins, not bows. But I looked up why they didn't appear to have archers and found it was total rubbish, and many formations did have archers. https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Roman-Empire-use-heavy-infantry-but-not-archers-or-cavalries-in-its-army |
| 23:32.14 | Tybusen | Archers are still very important members of any pre-rifle army |
| 23:32.32 | Wormy_ | "Initially these units of sagitarii were mainly recruited from Crete" |
| 23:32.52 | Tybusen | Maybe not as good as cavalry but one of the most key parts of an army without guns |
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| 23:39.10 | DrodoEmpire | Tyb: There is no "worse" or "better" parts of an army |
| 23:39.13 | DrodoEmpire | That's silly >.< |
| 23:39.25 | DrodoEmpire | *Every* part of an army is important |
| 23:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | In ancient times, frontline, heavy infantry pinned the enemy army in place, archers and skirmishers harassed, and the cavalry could harass, scout, or deliver the killing blow |
| 23:40.16 | DrodoEmpire | These are just a few purposes anyway |
| 23:40.22 | DrodoEmpire | And a *sweeping* generalization |
| 23:40.30 | DrodoEmpire | But its a good example |
| 23:40.42 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: also yes the Roman army was pretty diverse |
| 23:40.53 | DrodoEmpire | Its core was indeed heavy infantry derived from the citizens |
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| 23:41.18 | DrodoEmpire | But the other arms came from non-citizen auxiliaries, using the skills of their culture for the benefit of Rome |
| 23:41.34 | dino82_ | hi al |
| 23:41.36 | dino82_ | l |
| 23:41.44 | DrodoEmpire | So a lot of Roman cavalry were from Gaul, specifically modern-day Belgium as an example |
| 23:41.58 | DrodoEmpire | Due to a strong cavalry tradition there |
| 23:42.42 | DrodoEmpire | Hi dino |
| 23:43.33 | Tybusen | At the very least, I've always heard that having cavalry is a major advantage for any army |
| 23:43.54 | DrodoEmpire | Oh for sure |
| 23:44.07 | DrodoEmpire | Cavalry are *always* good to have around and represent a significant advantage |
| 23:44.12 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 23:44.35 | DrodoEmpire | But I mean its all about proportion, terrain, weather, and of course what your enemy is fielding |
| 23:45.10 | DrodoEmpire | For example the Spaniards used heavy cavalry to *devastating* effect against the Aztecs, where the terrain was fairly open, the Aztecs had only lighter infantry and they had never seen horses before |
| 23:45.44 | DrodoEmpire | But against the Mayans the cavalry faltered- And that's because the terrain was all dense bush and jungle where it was impossible to make cavalry maneuvers |
| 23:46.01 | DrodoEmpire | Plus loads of horses and men died to tropical disease :p |
