IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160413

00:06.16The_RandomnessDrodoEmpire: yes, you're lagging, don't worry
00:06.18The_RandomnessKappa
00:19.59The_RandomnessFor those involved in the collab, do you think it might be a good idea to start thinking about the sapient species we'll be using?
00:21.22Quark8Yeah. To my knowledge, they will be humanoids, yes?
00:22.09The_RandomnessYeah, I'm pretty sure they'll be almost exclusively humanoids
00:22.35DrodoEmpireCool, because I have an idea to bring over a species I made (and am sorta using for the scifiverse) over to this one, as I feel they're better used here
00:23.40The_RandomnessAlright, let's hear it
00:24.13DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3ASilvan - This is their page, as it is for the fictionverse
00:24.45DrodoEmpireBasically they're a humanoid, marsupial race of primitives who live short lives though reproduce very quickly
00:24.59DrodoEmpireThey tend towards traditional, collectivist societies ruled by despots
00:26.18DrodoEmpireIn addition individual Silvan are pretty bright
00:26.46The_RandomnessI see
00:26.50Wormy_goodbye
00:26.58DrodoEmpireVery elastic in terms of their ability to learn and apply new knowledge in particular
00:27.50DrodoEmpireAs for why they remain in pre-industrial societies? I say that comes down to short lifespans, constant war over limited space, and a lot of pretty bad geography
00:28.20DrodoEmpireWhich divides Silvan cultures up between mountain ranges, oceans, deserts, etc. and makes long-range trade difficult
00:29.52The_RandomnessAlright
00:30.16The_RandomnessI mean, the page is still pretty rough IMO, but there are some good parts in there
00:30.22DrodoEmpireI understand that
00:30.32The_Randomnessyeah, figured you knew that
00:30.59DrodoEmpireIt was a concept I *wanted* to expand on greatly but never saw the reason to, due to how insignificant they'd be in the fictionverse
00:31.05DrodoEmpireHere I figure is a place I can grow the idea more
00:31.16The_RandomnessYeah, I could see that
00:43.12The_RandomnessI have a couple ideas, but I'm using them in another collab project right now, so I'm somewhat hesitant to say stuff about them until I'm more certain that I would want to do that
00:43.55DrodoEmpireAlright
00:46.25The_RandomnessGranted, it would save me a lot of work, and the less species I maintain the easier it would probably be
00:48.16The_RandomnessI'll wait a little bit though
01:04.56DrodoEmpirehttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=650689167&searchtext= - What the fuck even is GMod
01:05.18The_Randomness5/7 mod
01:09.09Quark8What is GMod?
01:10.59Quark8Nvm.
01:11.05DrodoEmpireIts was a mod for HL2
01:11.08DrodoEmpireNow a standalone game
01:11.15DrodoEmpireCraziest shit I've ever played XD\
01:16.33Quark8According to the comments in that link, it is somewhat equivalent to "this is vary creepy, its the son of satan". And I thought it meant God Mod.
01:16.48The_Randomnesslol
01:18.58Quark8Who is the Garry the game is named after?
01:19.22DrodoEmpireGarry Newman
01:19.27DrodoEmpireI believe
01:19.49DrodoEmpireIt started as just him fucking around with HL2, and now some 12 years later it's sold over a million copies
01:20.27Quark8I see.
01:31.58Quark8What are the benefits of preordering a game?
01:32.12DrodoEmpireHm?
01:32.21DrodoEmpireOdd question to ask *here*, but ehh
01:32.34DrodoEmpireUsually they throw in some perks or content for preorderers
01:32.39The_RandomnessOccasionally you get extra stuff, and you'll have it (instantly) upon release, but aside from that nothing really
01:32.44DrodoEmpire^
01:32.52DrodoEmpireI don't usually do it as I see it as a bit of a gamble
01:33.04DrodoEmpireThat and you're basically making an investment in the company by preordering
01:33.25DrodoEmpire(also i'm still bitter about being burned with the rome II disaster <.<)(
01:33.46DrodoEmpireEighty dollars I'll never be getting back. :p
01:40.34Quark8Ok. Sorry about the Rome II disaster.
02:00.10Quark8Goodnight.
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09:46.08GhelaeHello.
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10:36.46JepardiHi
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12:34.06Wormy_awayGhelaptop:  A octopus broke out of an aquarium in New Zealand and escaped to the sea.
12:35.12GhelaptopSince we all know that cephalopods are planning to take over the world, it must have thought it was escaping from a POW camp.
12:35.34GhelaptopIt'll be supplying intelligence to its compatriots as we speak.
12:36.05Wormy_awaylol
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12:55.52Wormy_awayCome will the era of the Cephalopods.
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13:36.11Charles_MurrayWormy_away : I'm making a thing http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Key_relationships
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13:38.54Wormy_awayGood work, looks very modern
13:39.18Wormy_awayTiled design etc.
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13:45.00JepardiHi
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13:48.40ImperiosHi
13:49.02GhelaptopHi
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13:49.43GhelaptopHi
13:50.13OluapPlayerHi
14:08.02Wormy_awayI just learned about the "Aiom of Explosion" from Vsauce https://twitter.com/tweetsauce/status/718882234355302400 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion
14:08.07Wormy_away*Axiom
14:09.04GhelaptopHere's an example of it in practice: https://xkcd.com/704/
14:11.51Wormy_awaylol
14:12.05Wormy_awayI'm reminded of Hofstadter's musings on contradiction
14:15.17GhelaptopThe principle of explosion is called "noncontradiction" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_rules_of_inference despite the fact that it's apparently something that can be derived from other rules.
14:17.44GhelaptopA combination of addition and simplification, I think.
14:20.59Wormy_awayI think its because a statement can be proved from contradiction, but the contradiction is derivative of something or its negation which is noncontradictory.  â€œAll lemons are yellow" OR "Santa Claus exists”
14:21.32GhelaptopOh, you also need disjunctive syllogism, otherwise the final step doesn't work. A -> A or B; ¬A -> ¬A or B; A and ¬A -> (A or B) and (¬A or B) -> B
14:23.08GhelaptopThe last step can be expanded to [(A or B) and ¬A] or [(A or B) and B]; the latter is trivially B regardless of whether you pick A or B while the former is only necessarily B if you have disjunctive syllogism.
14:24.52GhelaptopDisjunctive syllogism is the key part that, well, contradicts contradiction.
14:25.53Ghelaptop"I either have an apple or an orange, but I don't have an apple, therefore I have an orange".
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14:26.19GhelaptopBut if you assume contradictions are possible, it doesn't look like the conclusion should be valid.
14:26.21GhelaptopHello.
14:27.02Xhonyah
14:27.15OluapPlayerHi
14:27.18ImpyDroidGhelaptop: How do you do logic signs
14:27.20ImpyDroid*type
14:27.24ImpyDroidㄱ
14:27.50GhelaptopOn my keyboard, I have a button left of 1. I press shift + that to get ¬.
14:27.54GhelaptopWithout shift, I get `
14:28.09ImpyDroidHuh
14:28.13ImpyDroidI do not have that
14:28.24ImpyDroidㄱㄱㄱㄱㄱㄱㄱㄱㄱ tho
14:28.26GhelaptopI can also do Alt gr + ` to get ¦
14:28.32Xho¦
14:28.36ImpyDroidㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
14:28.45ImpyDroidWhat about quantors?
14:29.16ImpyDroid크
14:29.26GhelaptopNo, I don' have any of them.
14:29.29Ghelaptopdon't*
14:31.47XhoSo what do
14:31.49Xhowat do
14:32.05OluapPlayerDragon Speaker
14:32.22Xhooh nu
14:32.30XhoYeah suppose I should continue with that
14:33.02GhelaptopWormy_away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraconsistent_logic is all about avoiding the principle of explosion.
14:34.16Wormy_awayOkay the Principle of Explosion isn't relatable to Zen's embrace of contradiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlobeGores/Ganto%27s_Ax
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14:34.59HachimanHi
14:35.09Wormy_awayhi
14:35.10Xhoih
14:35.32GhelaptopiH
14:36.02Xhoperfect symmetry
14:36.29GhelaptopWormy_away: They're similar, but the difference is that the former has (A and ¬A), while the latter has (A or ¬A).
14:36.42Wormy_awayindeed
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14:52.49ImpyDroid2Xho: What would be the relationship between Asv and Kalisearan
14:53.36XhoDunno really
14:53.54XhoAsv-Aldz would probably think that Kalisearan is mostly a bunch of nonsense
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15:00.57ofbaranHi
15:03.00GhelaptopHello.
15:03.40ofbaranI'm new in all of this its an honor to be here
15:06.40XhoHello
15:07.10ofbaranSup
15:07.55XhoWormy_away: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13006667_1719086071637853_8194852322519870184_n.png?oh=6ff396a5ee6f20fafdd173580a598df6&oe=57B251B9
15:08.17ofbaranUmm what is that
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15:08.59XhoExistential hilarity
15:09.18ofbaranLol I see
15:09.43ofbaranBTW I'm new in all of this and I don't know where to start :/
15:10.29XhoWell there are guidelines you can read but that comes hand in hand with asking questions
15:10.47Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_guidelines
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15:11.20Xhogg
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15:12.43ofbaranI'm sorry I accidentally left
15:12.50Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_guidelines
15:12.55XhoThat's what you want to read
15:13.38XhoIn all honesty the Fiction Universe takes a while to get into so the more reading you do the better
15:14.04ofbaranOh I read it but still its my first experience in a wiki and there is a lot of things to read
15:14.34XhoRight well to start you need to figure out what your interests are and then we can sort of direct you into certain settings
15:15.00ofbaranWhat do you mean?
15:18.12ofbaran:/
15:18.34XhoWell
15:18.37ofbaranWell cya then
15:18.51XhoI was afk there
15:19.08XhoWell if you want to start doing a fiction
15:19.13XhoWhat kind of stuff do you like
15:19.24XhoAs a source of interest/inspiration/whatever
15:20.45Wormy_awayXho:  I accept it and it's negation.  That's contradictory, but neither philosophy is truth.
15:21.16Xhogood answer m8
15:21.27ImpyDroid2Working on Kalisearan feels fun
15:21.53ImpyDroid2I am fleshing her out more and right now she is basically Ishtar + Loki
15:21.54XhoImpyDroid2: From experience, mad gods are the best characters to write in/with
15:22.04ImpyDroid2+ Sheogorath
15:22.27XhoAll of Santorakh's dialogue is literally me just shitposting
15:22.36XhoAnd it works very well
15:28.39ImpyDroid2You know Sounds of Music right
15:29.19Xhohm
15:29.44XhoI know the Julie Andrews film Sound of Music but I severely doubt that's relevant
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15:51.22ImpyDroidXho: I just had an idea for Kalisearan's artifact
15:51.30Xhoa ginormous dildo
15:51.31XhoCarry n
15:51.32Xhoon
15:51.40ImpyDroidA staff that allows the user to create mental images of oneself and spread them to others mentally
15:52.09ImpyDroidTelepathic communication and/or brainwashing thing
15:52.10Xhodem loki powers
15:52.21XhoCan work
15:52.24ImpyDroidIt should also be called the Stick of Self
15:52.38XhoStick of Selfies                                     Longinus - seriously just purge the nonbelievers
15:53.05ImpyDroidOr Selfie Stack
15:53.06OluapPlayerNorrigan - starting with u
15:53.09ImpyDroidhur
15:54.00XhoLonginus - wat y
15:54.26XhoThinking about it now, I think the Order of the Black Sun collectively worship every single god designed to cause chaos
15:54.48ImpyDroidYes there should be a city dedicated to Kalisearan
15:54.50XhoSo Caligaduro, Rama-Squid, Kaicaiusarin, Crux, Kalisearan
15:56.07OluapPlayerIf they want to worship chaos then they should worship Kaharvos cause part of Rama-Squid is law-based
15:56.20ImpyDroidRama is lawful tho
15:56.44OluapPlayerZarmagahla is lawful evil
15:56.47Xhorite
15:56.49OluapPlayerKaharvos is chaotic, Vargash is neutral
15:57.05XhoCaligaduro, Kaharvos, Kaicaiusarin, Crux, Kalisearan
15:57.09XhoSo the really nasty gods then
15:57.31OluapPlayerRama-Squid as a whole is just evil
15:57.56XhoNalahstannylor - better not cut myself on all those EDGES KEK
15:58.17OluapPlayerVargash - thanksgiving happened
15:58.25XhoNalashtannylor - :c
15:58.50XhoThanksgiving was the result of a dissing war between Aethereus and Vargash
15:59.03XhoJust got way too out of hand
15:59.24OluapPlayerVargash - ended up delicious tho
15:59.28XhoNot sure whether they'd worship Tlahlarān though
15:59.45XhoTlahlarān is more of an existential representation of darkness than actively being a dick
16:00.36XhoCan't think of any other chaotic deities
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16:01.43Xhohi
16:01.51AdmiralPandahi all
16:01.56XhoActually Tlahlarān is described as Lawful Evil so that's definitely off the cards for the Order
16:02.22OluapPlayerHi
16:03.06XhoI just realised that the name Akhemazdrís has absolutely no meaning now because no one ever called him or calls him that
16:03.12Xhoneeds new generic name
16:04.15XhoGonna have a look at ancient language definitions for some words
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16:04.27XhoI'm gonna take a look at Sanskrit because that's what most Shadowrealmer terminology comes from
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16:06.34XhoI'm gonna make it so that Tlahlarān was actually an Exalted Sovereign who decided to go fuck you to Caligaduro so that he actually ties into the rest of the Fantasyverse and not being some weird outlier
16:08.16XhoMaharaksas is an idea
16:08.20XhoIt's Sanskrit for 'great demon'
16:08.31OluapPlayerbig buy
16:08.42Xho4 u
16:08.46XhoOluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13015594_1185640044793204_957723270669669259_n.jpg?oh=832cde94d7fed754148809d3043c4ace&oe=57B1DA3A
16:09.05OluapPlayerhachi.jpg
16:09.30XhoI'm gonna need a bot then
16:09.35Xho~poke Technobliterator
16:09.36infobotACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Technobliterator, pokes Technobliterator repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
16:09.45Technobliteratorhi
16:09.54TechnobliteratorI don't have the bot on this computer
16:09.55Technobliteratorsorry
16:10.11Xhoabsolutely haram
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16:10.48Charles_BotTest
16:11.19Xhobot
16:12.52Charles_Botböt böt
16:13.26OluapPlayeru failed
16:15.46XhoAnyway I need all links from Captain:Akhemazdrís to Captain:Maharaksas
16:16.03XhoAnd I guess all mentions of the word can be changed as well
16:16.05OluapPlayerPut it on the bot's user page so Jo can remember it
16:16.48Xhowat bot is it tho
16:17.26OluapPlayerDebug Squid Bot
16:19.50Xhodere
16:23.12XhoThat might drive into the idea of those seven Chaosphere realms, although if Maharaksas is a bitch-ass Exalted Sovereign the idea of his realm being a Chaosphere realm won't make much sense
16:23.39XhoCaligaduro and Co. would have fucked him up if that was the case
16:25.14XhoEh I might leave the Shadowrealm's cosmological position up to interpretation
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16:25.32The_RandomnessHello
16:25.44XhoAlthough I'd be leaning towards the space between the Simulacra realms and the Chaosphere since it seems like it would go that way
16:25.44Xhohi
16:27.11OluapPlayerTechnobliterator Hachiman: http://36.media.tumblr.com/ec06a91532b8a35662336063de45482e/tumblr_o4edf4z7YI1tcgllho1_1280.png
16:27.35Hachimanolol
16:27.37Xhooh bother
16:27.48XhoThat is derived from the Winnie the Pooh cartoon right
16:27.59HachimanTigger, I'm already a bear
16:28.04Xho+1 to spu
16:28.20Technobliteratorlmao
16:28.44OluapPlayerYes it is
16:29.02HachimanXho: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-0/s480x480/12991086_1005106842903412_5249070377974699990_n.jpg?oh=c82854475cffd16031509cf7f8ae2e46&oe=57BCAEFB "Just ripped the fattest vape out here in NYC"
16:29.12OluapPlayerhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/993/358/f68.png
16:29.16Xhogood grief
16:30.43The_RandomnessHachiman: V/\
16:33.57HachimanXho: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/12936690_1003451183068978_868531936258214624_n.jpg?oh=8bf1eb883dcf356388b78aef5504d840&oe=577C4E5F Behold, Joji (Papa Franku) with the crew of h3h3 and JonTron
16:34.10Xhooh dear lord
16:34.33Hachiman"Holy fuck Frank looks like a jpop idol and Jon looks like he would fit in a Christian children's show"
16:34.47The_Randomnesslol
16:34.59Xhohoh
16:38.14XhoHachiman: I'm currently getting the idea that Rakshaseshvara/Maharaksas effectively raped the shit out of Isiris so that the Shadow Dakes were spawned
16:38.19Xhoin an act of evil
16:38.59XhoAlthough it was more literally Rakshaseshvara fucking up Koldenwelt's magical happiness by spawning Shadow Drakes
16:39.34HachimanIsiris - u deservd 2 git fukn ded'd m8
16:39.50XhoRakshaseshvara - lol
16:40.12Wormy_awayOluapPlayer:  There was a woman who took her obsession (Pika) to eating human ashes to television.
16:40.27OluapPlayerI can't put heads on shoulders about what you just said
16:40.33OluapPlayerWormy_away: wut
16:41.21Wormy_awayhttp://jezebel.com/5828722/woman-addicted-to-eating-her-dead-husbands-ashes
16:41.59XhoRight the general idea is that Maharaksas spawned Rakshaeshvara -> Koldenwelt's creation weakened Raksha -> Raksha has the Shadowrealm linked to Koldenwelt and then spawns the Shadow Drakes out of Koldenwelt's earth
16:42.27XhoAnd then Caligaduro fucks everyone up
16:42.31Xhoas per usual
16:42.50OluapPlayerOkay
16:43.26XhoThe idea is that the introduction of all the mundane and celestial elements of magic basically tipped Rakshaseshvara's power out of balance and in turn balanced the universe out
16:43.51XhoSo Raksha tried to throw it back in his favour by creating the Shadow Drakes although ultimately didn't work
16:44.07XhoWhich is why sleepy snoozy dragon
16:45.39XhoI'd imagine it was out of the Colossi of Darkness divinely overthrowing Rakshaseshvara's position and just forcibly made him sleepy snoozy
16:46.54XhoAnd the Simulacra's dark magic which basically made Raksha a third-rate dark god
16:46.56The_RandomnessI'm off for now, see you guys later
16:52.40HachimanXho: So Gojira have teased a new album
16:52.56HachimanAn album called Magma
17:02.00Xhoi saw
17:02.05Xholooked gud
17:05.32XhoBah I was gonna use 'The Outcast God' for a title for Maharaksas and then Pheonas
17:05.49XhoSo outcast that the outcast title already applies to someone else
17:05.58Xho"The Hipster God"
17:07.59Xhohttps://www.buzzfeed.com/jamiejones/million-pound-houses-in-wales-and-london?utm_term=.vdjdYGMX9#.sjO8rwOyq BuzzFeed's usually a lot of bullshit but for once this puts things into perspective
17:08.53XhoWhy the hell you'd want to live in London is beyond me
17:08.58XhoUnless you work there of course
17:16.12XhoOluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12998584_1185643314792877_1607033837416130695_n.jpg?oh=30ce5a9ca95f48b318c19ab9a2bf0b15&oe=5785B360
17:16.30OluapPlayerhur
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17:18.13ofbaranHi
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17:26.16Xhobored
17:27.41XhoMy neck gland is so swollen I can't look right
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17:36.38Quark8Hey.
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19:01.28ImpyDroidXho: Come to think about it, what if a large portion of Koldenwelt's monstrous creatures is literally the result of Kalisearan fucking every single creature on Koldenwelt and birthing various half-Sim abominations
19:02.15Xhobut y tho
19:03.06ImpyDroidBecause Koldenwelt Echidna
19:03.12ImpyDroidOr IA IA SHUB NIGGURATH
19:04.50OluapPlayerkeep ur fetishes to urself weirdo
19:05.25ImpyDroidIt is a classical mythological motif
19:05.34ImpyDroidMother of monsters
19:06.10Hachiman"Use chemicals to remove polish and no one bats an eye; use chemicals to remove the Polish and everyone loses their mind"
19:06.29ImpyDroidShe could have monster offspring on Koldenwelt that is all I am saying
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19:09.25LuxorHereGood evening
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19:15.49DrodoEmpireHi everyone
19:16.02LuxorHereAye
19:16.27LuxorHere( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:18.26Hachimanhttps://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozCqUnf8VylTRzq/giphy.gif Fucking kek
19:25.08Xho<PROTECTED>
19:25.42XhoI updated the Fantasyverse map earlier
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23:10.26MonetI wonder how the Forgotten Lands team might feel learning their friend the ancient is now a terror of the north.
23:13.10OluapPlayerSea Witch - pfff            seen much worse since
23:15.31MonetMarcos would likely scream "I told you so" or something
23:35.01Wormy_72 year old woman survives 9 days in the Arizona wilderness http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/must_see/36033649
23:36.37DrodoEmpireHuh

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