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| 00:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | Hi! |
| 00:48.18 | Xisuthros | hi |
| 00:48.51 | DrodoEmpire | Chat's a little dead at the moment, sorry >.< |
| 00:48.55 | DrodoEmpire | Lots of people on though |
| 00:48.58 | dino82_ | hi |
| 00:49.18 | Hachi_Away | Hi |
| 00:49.21 | Hachi_Away | Oh shit |
| 00:49.26 | Hachi_Away | Forgot to change my name back |
| 00:49.41 | Xisuthros | That's alright |
| 00:49.41 | Hachiman | I've been here all this time |
| 00:50.03 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 00:51.28 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:51.31 | Wormy_editing | Technobliterator, The_Randomness: Are you ready for me to post on SporeWiki? |
| 00:51.39 | The_Randomness | go ahead |
| 00:51.48 | Technobliterator | yeah sure |
| 00:51.55 | The_Randomness | wait |
| 00:52.22 | The_Randomness | Doesn't the "submitting content" section accomplish what would be in the "submission" section? |
| 00:53.42 | Wormy_editing | I think they should be different sections. The first is where we place the guidelines for people to post ideas, the latter is where people post them. |
| 00:54.31 | The_Randomness | oooh |
| 00:54.32 | The_Randomness | I see |
| 00:56.25 | The_Randomness | so yeah, go ahead and post |
| 00:57.39 | Wormy_editing | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Super_Collab |
| 01:00.05 | Wormy_editing | Made some edit, refresh |
| 01:00.59 | Xisuthros | Wow, that was fast |
| 01:01.54 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy works fast; I mean so long as it isn't a fiction page |
| 01:01.55 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:01.58 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 01:02.01 | Wormy_editing | I had a lot of help |
| 01:02.04 | The_Randomness | ayy lmao |
| 01:02.55 | The_Randomness | I did the entire "submitting content" section |
| 01:03.32 | Wormy_editing | I did voting, introduction and basic scheme of the page |
| 01:03.40 | Wormy_editing | Techno modernised my code |
| 01:04.04 | Xisuthros | Even so, that's a lot of decision-making and writing over the course of a few hours(?) |
| 01:04.19 | Wormy_editing | Last hour and half or so |
| 01:05.39 | Xisuthros | On another topic, is Xho active right now? I wanted to ask him a question about the fantasy universe. |
| 01:06.02 | DrodoEmpire | He's not on the channel, currently |
| 01:18.21 | Wormy_editing | We're not good enough! |
| 01:18.26 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:18.57 | The_Randomness | I added my two cents to the page |
| 01:19.10 | Wormy_ | I noticed, I agree |
| 01:21.04 | The_Randomness | I also just noticed that it was a massive run-on sentence |
| 01:21.05 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:38.28 | Wormy_ | There added shiny icons http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Polling_templates |
| 01:38.37 | Wormy_ | People used to use them |
| 01:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | yuy |
| 01:52.23 | Wormy_ | The_Randomness: Oh yeah, there was a new Vsauce video. |
| 01:52.39 | The_Randomness | I saw, haven't watched it yet tho |
| 01:53.17 | dino82_ | bye bye all |
| 01:53.22 | DrodoEmpire | Bye! |
| 02:06.35 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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| 02:41.23 | DrodoEmpire | Trying out a mod for HL2 |
| 02:41.26 | DrodoEmpire | Its kickass |
| 02:41.28 | DrodoEmpire | When it works |
| 02:41.29 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 02:41.47 | The_Randomness | lol |
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| 09:40.48 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 11:41.40 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:46.24 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:51.21 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:56.07 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:56.34 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/TheRealSheldonC/status/719082131708899328 |
| 11:57.42 | Monet | Wait... |
| 11:58.09 | Monet | Sheldon always uses the term coitus. |
| 11:58.18 | Monet | instead of sex |
| 11:58.42 | Wormy_ | IMPOSTER |
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| 13:00.02 | ImpyDroid | hu |
| 13:00.05 | ImpyDroid | Hi even |
| 13:00.27 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 13:00.55 | Monet | hi |
| 13:07.19 | ImpyDroid | Huh, apparently there is rice with beans left in the fridge |
| 13:07.26 | ImpyDroid | Time to cook it and feel like Oluap |
| 13:11.00 | Monet | Yum |
| 13:20.13 | Wormy_away | Whenever I see or hear "rice and and peas" my inner voice shouts it in a Jamaican accent. |
| 13:20.33 | OluapPlayer | beans, not peas |
| 13:21.02 | Monet | THis makes me hungry for risotto. |
| 13:28.15 | ImpyDroid | Try Central Asian pilaf one day |
| 13:28.24 | ImpyDroid | It is basically like risotto but with a stronger taste |
| 13:30.17 | Monet | A few years ago my mum taught me how to cook this rice dish with red thai curry, coconut milk, vegetable stock and - depending on your preferences- either fish or chicken. |
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| 13:30.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 13:30.34 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:31.59 | Wormy_away | ImpyDroid: WAGWAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2ws7dW2es&nohtml5=False |
| 13:38.37 | Wormy_away | Monet, DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrb4hEo_NtY&nohtml5=False |
| 13:41.04 | DrodoEmpire | k |
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| 13:48.47 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:50.32 | Wormy_away | hello |
| 13:51.09 | Wormy_ | Stephen Baxter is working on a new Xeelee novel! |
| 13:52.00 | Wormy_ | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xeelee-Vengeance-Stephen-Baxter/dp/1473217180/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460296308&sr=8-1&keywords=xeelee+vengeance |
| 13:52.34 | Hachiman | YES |
| 13:52.39 | Wormy_ | I think it will involve the Anti-Xeelee |
| 13:53.18 | Hachiman | Oh shit |
| 13:53.22 | Hachiman | A Xeelee assassin |
| 13:53.46 | Wormy_ | We might get to see more direct interaction with a Xeelee and learn what they are like. |
| 13:53.57 | Hachiman | Looks like we are now seeing the more villainous side of the Xeelee |
| 13:54.20 | Hachiman | But then, is it still really villainous if they are erasing events that would inevitably lead to war |
| 13:56.09 | Wormy_ | Humanity followed a very dark path for that million years. Such a correction would be positive |
| 13:57.05 | Monet | Probably depends on perspective |
| 13:58.08 | Hachiman | I wonder at what lengths the Xeelee will go to in order to erase Poole from history; I mean, it could easily target his ancestors |
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| 13:58.36 | Wormy__ | They slaughtered all the aliens and grafted whast was left into human physiology, use their children as weapons in failed assaults, and used up the universe's resources for their failed war. All the while humanity stagnated |
| 13:59.34 | Monet | Or there's the Assassin Order perspective: Does killing people to get a positive outcome really make you one of the good guys? |
| 14:00.07 | Hachiman | I find it curious that the Xeelee are not going back in time to erase humanity entirely, just Poole |
| 14:00.11 | Monet | (might have phrased it wrong) |
| 14:00.24 | Hachiman | But then, I think they attempted doing that before |
| 14:02.46 | Monet | They could see him as the root of the problem. |
| 14:04.24 | Monet | With the Exultant and Interim Coalition eras, what proportion of humanity were making the conscious decision to commit al lthese atrocities? |
| 14:07.29 | Wormy__ | Without Poole's wormholes, there would be no Qax invasion |
| 14:08.14 | Wormy__ | When the Qax occuptation ended, humanity was set on a nhilistic path that saw humanity as rats with a goal to destroy all others. |
| 14:09.10 | Monet | So it was a snowball effet. |
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| 14:10.53 | Wormy_ | [15:09] <Wormy__> All of humanity's goal was drivern to push the Xeelee out of the galactic centre during the Exultant era |
| 14:10.56 | Monet | So it was a snowball effet. |
| 14:11.45 | Hachiman | So, by erasing Poole from history, it evades the matter of humanity having negative contact with aliens but also deprives them of one of their greatest technological innovations |
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| 14:12.29 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:13.16 | Hachiman | I wonder how Baxter will characterize the Xeelee assassin; then again, characterization has never really been his forte |
| 14:14.23 | Imperios | >Xeelee assassin |
| 14:14.30 | Imperios | >snaps finger |
| 14:14.32 | Imperios | >people die |
| 14:14.33 | Imperios | c |
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| 14:16.14 | Wormy__ | If it's anything like the Anti-Xeelee, the Secret History describes it. However, Vacuum Diagrams are old stories and there has been revisions to the canon. |
| 14:16.31 | Monet | Hachiman: Imagine if someone had the chance to go back in time and prevent the Manhatan project. |
| 14:16.51 | Hachiman | Yeah, the premise is kind of iffy when you remember that the Xeelee are essentially gods so an assassination attempt on Poole is most likely to be successful |
| 14:18.03 | Wormy__ | Poole, like Paul was also turned into a quantum ghost. So it could be a relationship between him and the Anti-Xeelee |
| 14:18.42 | Wormy__ | After about half-way through, everything is a projection |
| 14:18.48 | Wormy__ | In fact Vacuum Diagrams is actually a simulation by Eve, the mad planckscale AI |
| 14:18.57 | Wormy__ | So Paul could be some pattern that represents Poole |
| 14:19.42 | Monet | I suppose the other thing is if it's not Poole who develops wormhole technology then someoen else might do it. |
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| 14:20.28 | Hachiman | I reckon that if the Xeelee attempts to assassinate Poole, it may cause a string of events where humanity ends up fighting a war with the Xeelee anyway |
| 14:21.28 | Wormy__ | It may be inherent to humanity's psychology |
| 14:22.13 | Wormy__ | That, or humanity learns about the Photino Birds ahead of time, and realise the Xeelee are actually fighting a greater foe. |
| 14:23.11 | Wormy__ | The Silver Ghosts attempted peace with the Birds by creating soliton stars for them to live in. But the mad AI destroyed one, and thatended Bayronic-Photino contact |
| 14:44.02 | Wormy__ | In many ways, humanity was already very advanced before the Qax occupation |
| 14:44.54 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:46.04 | Wormy__ | A golden age when Earth's biosphere had been fully restored to Pleistocene times. Humans spent most of their time in virtual realities, and were biologically immortal. Wormholes were being built throughout the solar system while GUTships carried explorers and traders further and met other bayronics in the galaxy. Human population had colonised the entire solar system. |
| 14:47.53 | Wormy__ | When the Qax came, they killed all the immortals that didn't go into hiding, and began to erase human culture and history. They even sent nanotechnology into the Earth to destroy all life and even the fossil record |
| 14:51.22 | Wormy__ | Such a shame Hama Druz continued their extirpation |
| 14:52.13 | Wormy__ | It wasn't until the end of the Exultant era 20,000 years later when humanity would begin to develop culture and innovation |
| 14:52.34 | Wormy__ | In all that time, those fantastic technologies humans had were ransacked from other species. |
| 14:53.44 | Wormy__ | Unfortunately I think humans despite being less advanced had a more warlike psychology that others like the Ghosts couldn't respond in time |
| 14:55.09 | Wormy__ | I hate Exultant era humanity. They had become rats |
| 14:55.25 | Wormy__ | They were more primitive in values and cilture than stone age humanity |
| 14:56.03 | Wormy__ | Reading Exultant and Resplendant makes you hate that era |
| 14:56.30 | Wormy__ | Though humanity did climb out of it. In Transcendent, half a million years of the future, humanity was buildings its own God consciousness |
| 14:57.22 | Hachiman | Weren't the Monads a godlike variant of humanity that existed following the heat death of the universe? |
| 14:58.15 | Wormy__ | Nah, the Monads existed before the universe, as somekind of laws of physics entity/ |
| 14:59.08 | Wormy__ | In Timelike Infinity, the Friends of Wigner escaped the Qax occupation and went back in time (in a ship hidden under Stone Henge, which also caused the Extirpation in their own time) |
| 15:00.38 | Wormy__ | They wanted to turn Jupiter into a black hole, and succeeded. And they wanted to place a human built AI into the singularity |
| 15:01.27 | Wormy__ | They believed that it would survive until Timelike Infinity, and then make the last wavefunction collapse. In humanity's favour |
| 15:01.51 | Wormy__ | But the future of the Xeeleeverse seems to be in the hands of the Photino Birds, so their belief may just be that |
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| 15:05.40 | Wormy_ | As for The Transcendence, it can't be Timelike Infinity because it destroyed itself due to human suffering. All that's left is the last story in Vacuum Diagrams, with Paul and the Qax being the last bayronic minds left. But like I say, that's merely a projection by Eve, but we know Poole becomes a disassociated being of quantum functions in a similar way |
| 15:06.08 | Wormy_ | So the Xeeleeverse history is not linear at all |
| 15:06.24 | Wormy_ | Its a tangled histiory of timelines and perceptions by different superbeings |
| 15:06.34 | Wormy_ | Poor humanity |
| 15:07.48 | Imperios | >Monads |
| 15:07.53 | Imperios | Oooh Gnostic stuff |
| 15:07.55 | Wormy_ | Xeeleeverse is both optimistic and nihilistic at the same time |
| 15:08.23 | Wormy_ | Yeah the Monads are based directly on Leibinz's Monadology |
| 15:09.01 | Wormy_ | Baxter brings philosophy as well as maths and science into the psychology of his aliens and physics |
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| 15:37.23 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertamian_Alliance Ohgod that page |
| 15:37.36 | Imperios | >Fabulus Noraes, the leader of the Alor Republic |
| 15:39.02 | OluapPlayer | fabulous |
| 15:39.17 | OluapPlayer | "Countless other ancients ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE" |
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| 15:47.27 | Imperios | I am actually fgoing to make a Tertamian in Spore now |
| 15:47.32 | Imperios | A monarch maybe |
| 15:48.20 | Imperios | I have a pretty neat concept in mind |
| 15:49.11 | OluapPlayer | Weren't you gonna remake the Borealis Radeon? |
| 15:49.48 | Imperios | I did try |
| 15:49.51 | Imperios | Then the game broke |
| 15:59.55 | Imperios | Monet: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/29963/ds1.jpg SPESS |
| 16:03.34 | Monet | Spehs Norneenz |
| 16:03.54 | Imperios | Monet OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/8a/Fivalnoris_II%2C_the_Blind_Emperor.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410160329 There, ancient Tertamian king |
| 16:04.08 | Hachiman | EMPRAH |
| 16:04.19 | Hachiman | So why was he blind hur |
| 16:04.25 | OluapPlayer | Nice armor |
| 16:05.15 | Imperios | Hachiman: Someone blinded him I suppose |
| 16:06.20 | Hachiman | >lord of a highly-advanced spacefaring culture which was more sophisticated than any Andromedan power in the modern day >cannot replace his eyes |
| 16:06.54 | Charles_Murray | lol |
| 16:06.57 | OluapPlayer | get ur logic outta here |
| 16:07.42 | Charles_Murray | Was he actually blind, or dos that refer to his actions as King? |
| 16:07.48 | Charles_Murray | Or lack thereof |
| 16:08.41 | Imperios | Both |
| 16:08.50 | Imperios | Hachiman: This one in particular is from the very early era of the Tertamian Alliance |
| 16:08.55 | Imperios | Around its foundation |
| 16:08.59 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 16:10.53 | Imperios | Also I am suprised nobody noticed the glaives |
| 16:10.55 | Imperios | Or the purple skin |
| 16:11.00 | Imperios | Or the wings |
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| 16:12.02 | Imperios | Hachiman: Also, perhaps his "blindfold" is actually a visor |
| 16:12.32 | Hachiman | The glaives are pretty damn cool |
| 16:12.38 | Hachiman | They remind me of Anti-Mage hur |
| 16:13.20 | Monet | Centaur Illidan? |
| 16:13.28 | Technobliterator | Well, the people who have watched Civil War said it was an excellent film |
| 16:13.31 | Technobliterator | I'm now even more hyped |
| 16:14.15 | Imperios | Monet: Yeah you got it hur |
| 16:14.25 | Imperios | I finally justified their original name |
| 16:14.27 | Imperios | Took me 6 years |
| 16:16.10 | Imperios | Seven years even |
| 16:16.21 | Imperios | Holy shit is it seven and a half years now |
| 16:16.51 | Monet | Old Man Imp |
| 16:17.21 | OluapPlayer | I remember when they were called Illidans |
| 16:17.26 | OluapPlayer | I always found it very random |
| 16:18.15 | Imperios | Well they had horns and elf ears |
| 16:18.59 | OluapPlayer | And they were also centaur birds hur |
| 16:19.24 | Imperios | Also in the SporeWiki canon, they were not prepared for their destruction by Adaru |
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| 16:45.24 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/40/Borealis_Radeon.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410164513 >bane intensifies |
| 16:45.50 | OluapPlayer | dats not a mole rat |
| 16:45.50 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 16:46.20 | Xho | ack |
| 16:47.20 | Monet | He's a good Bane rat though. |
| 16:50.11 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/40/Borealis_Radeon.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410164958 Here's a small tweak |
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| 16:52.54 | Imperios | So what do you think? |
| 16:53.17 | OluapPlayer | It looks good |
| 16:53.28 | OluapPlayer | You plan on updating their page? |
| 16:53.53 | Xho | So I got a message on the wiki yesterday |
| 16:54.06 | Xho | Not sure exactly what it's talking about |
| 16:55.41 | Imperios | I could tomorrow |
| 16:57.07 | Monet | Xho: Look on Hachi's message wall for context. |
| 16:57.16 | Xho | I'm reading that wall now |
| 16:57.38 | Xho | While the guy has an imagination |
| 16:57.47 | Xho | He basically described the Fantasyverse with different names |
| 16:58.42 | Xho | That being said I did have ideas about the Chaosphere earlier but I didn't think it would ever come to fruition due to the fact there was no real need for it |
| 16:58.50 | Xho | Although now this might coincide with it |
| 16:59.33 | OluapPlayer | That being? |
| 17:00.45 | Xho | I had the idea that the Chaosphere was actually seven realms rather than three, three of which were inhabited and the other four rendered lifeless by Caligaduro/Vargash/Kaicaiusarin to serve as a buffer between them and the rest of the universe |
| 17:01.12 | Xho | Seven being the good ol' number of the void |
| 17:03.20 | Imperios | Wouldn't there be four dead sims then |
| 17:03.37 | Xho | Depends on your interpretation of a Simulacra |
| 17:03.50 | Xho | Personally I don't think realms are absolutely governed by Simulacra |
| 17:03.59 | Xho | Koldenwelt for example |
| 17:04.49 | Xho | To be honest I think we've nailed in too many absolutes about the Fantasyverse |
| 17:05.01 | Xho | It's good for less deities and whatnot but there's no malleability |
| 17:05.06 | Xho | Or hardly any |
| 17:05.46 | OluapPlayer | Let people do as they please and we'll end up with lots of unused space that adds nothing to the setting, like what happened to the fictionverse |
| 17:07.03 | OluapPlayer | I've had ideas for planes not associated with Simulacra but I decided against it for this very reason. You make one, and everyone and their mother will want to make more too |
| 17:07.18 | Xho | Catch 22 then really |
| 17:07.39 | OluapPlayer | wut |
| 17:07.40 | Xho | Hm I have no clue what to answer |
| 17:07.49 | Xho | Catch 22 = damned if you do, damned if you don't |
| 17:08.01 | OluapPlayer | Never heard that one before |
| 17:08.17 | Xho | Not really commonly used in English because everyone's a PRIMITIVE |
| 17:08.24 | Imperios | This reminds me |
| 17:08.37 | Imperios | What would you call a Simulacrum lieutenant |
| 17:08.42 | Xho | I like the idea of infinite realms/deities but that carries a 100% risk of going mental with deities and realms |
| 17:08.55 | Imperios | Like Mortium's subcommander guys like Nito or Thanatos |
| 17:09.05 | Xho | lesser simulacra #zing |
| 17:09.09 | Imperios | Hm |
| 17:09.09 | OluapPlayer | No common name |
| 17:09.28 | Imperios | I wonder if I could make Pheonas a Simulacrum-related god |
| 17:09.34 | OluapPlayer | Leucocytus is the second in command of Sanguine Hill, but he has no official titles |
| 17:09.45 | Xho | Imperios: coughalarxashancough |
| 17:09.53 | OluapPlayer | He's just a big white blood cell |
| 17:10.04 | Imperios | One idea I had about his creation is that he was a fusion of Alar's and Kali's energies |
| 17:10.18 | Xho | So basically a product of divine incest |
| 17:10.22 | Xho | gg simulacra |
| 17:10.24 | Imperios | Either they fought and at one point their energies united together |
| 17:10.27 | Imperios | Or they literally fucked yes |
| 17:10.45 | OluapPlayer | That'll invalidate him as an independent deity, which I don't see the point of doing |
| 17:10.54 | OluapPlayer | We can have non-Simulacrum and non-Colossus deities |
| 17:11.12 | Imperios | True |
| 17:11.37 | Imperios | It'd be interesting to keep him like the Elune of SporeWiki |
| 17:11.39 | Hachiman | In the end, they are all Isiris anyway barring Simulacra hur |
| 17:11.52 | Imperios | Pheonas - I IS EYE LADY |
| 17:12.59 | Xho | bruh |
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| 17:14.41 | OluapPlayer_ | God fuck off |
| 17:14.49 | Xho | "no" - God |
| 17:15.12 | Hachiman | I feel we should lift the technological limit we have imposed on the Fantasyverse; why can't we have humans with repeater carbines and steampunk sniper rifles |
| 17:15.26 | Xho | bcus op pls nerf |
| 17:15.30 | Xho | Coming from me |
| 17:15.33 | Xho | Somewhat invalid |
| 17:15.48 | OluapPlayer_ | I come back to bait |
| 17:15.52 | OluapPlayer_ | Don't make me kick you |
| 17:16.03 | Hachiman | You can't kick me for baiting |
| 17:16.46 | Imperios | Hachiman: I think we discussed that |
| 17:16.51 | Imperios | A story set in the Fantasyverse's far future |
| 17:17.09 | Xho | Kinmo - 5000 years later and you're still retarded as fuck |
| 17:17.28 | Imperios | They end up going in space, fighting the Civverse, then by the end people from the Fictionverse appear, are like WHAT THE FUCK GUYS and make peace |
| 17:18.11 | Hachiman | Would not work now however since Fantasyverse is confirmed separate universe |
| 17:18.16 | Xho | I thought the general theme was that technology would always remain at the same level |
| 17:18.17 | Imperios | Who says it is canon |
| 17:18.24 | Imperios | Why would it tho |
| 17:18.36 | Hachiman | Medieval Stasis is the trope |
| 17:18.40 | Xho | Cause there's no real reason for global technological advancement |
| 17:19.02 | OluapPlayer_ | If you want space fantasy stay in the fictionverse |
| 17:19.15 | Hachiman | dis is y i cant hav shotgun dorfs |
| 17:19.44 | Imperios | You can |
| 17:19.46 | Imperios | Squats |
| 17:19.55 | Imperios | Also shotguns are pretty low-tech |
| 17:19.58 | Imperios | You could sneak it in |
| 17:20.03 | Xho | The ancient cultures had more advanced technology than the present day cultures in the Fantasyverse anyway |
| 17:20.13 | Hachiman | Shotguns are barely low-tech |
| 17:20.25 | Xho | Sohet/Oris/Ordnung all had crazy ass technology |
| 17:20.42 | Xho | Magitech or other |
| 17:20.57 | Monet | Most shotguns are still single-shot. |
| 17:21.58 | Hachiman | I was going to say blunderbuss maybe, but then I remembered that muskets were a thing |
| 17:22.22 | Monet | Blunderbuss is a kind of shotgun |
| 17:22.33 | Xho | bl0nd0rb0ss |
| 17:22.34 | Hachiman | Oh, arquebus could work maybe |
| 17:22.36 | DrodoEmpire | Shotguns aren't anymore "low-tech" than any other sort of cartridge firearm |
| 17:22.50 | DrodoEmpire | Harquebuses are good muskets for the fantasyverse yeah |
| 17:22.56 | Hachiman | d-d-drop the bl0nd0rb0ss |
| 17:23.01 | DrodoEmpire | Its what Halifaxia uses. :p |
| 17:23.33 | Monet | I think it's when you start getting into semiautomatics or possibly breechloading that the fantasy vibe starts to fade. |
| 17:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | Breechloading firearms are quite advanced yeah |
| 17:23.57 | Xho | In the Fantasyverse magitech supersedes even 21st Century technology to some degree |
| 17:24.02 | DrodoEmpire | By that point its steampunk or at least industrial age |
| 17:24.08 | DrodoEmpire | If you're fine with that then alright |
| 17:24.09 | Xho | What with golems and automatons |
| 17:24.28 | Hachiman | Yet none of the Fantasyverse precursors used guns hur |
| 17:24.42 | Monet | Well they had fireballs. |
| 17:24.54 | Xho | Longinus - why use gun when DOUBLE SUN POWER is in ur hands |
| 17:25.05 | Hachiman | Actually, I think I recall I had once written Khaepsha deriving from Sohet tech to make flamethrowers or something |
| 17:25.18 | Hachiman | Very fucking useful in a desert environment GG |
| 17:25.34 | Xho | I get the imagery of the Khaepsha strapping pyromancers to a stick |
| 17:25.47 | Xho | And just waving it around |
| 17:25.50 | Hachiman | hur |
| 17:26.32 | Hachiman | I wonder under what school of magic would manipulating oil come under |
| 17:26.43 | Xho | Ainsleymancy |
| 17:26.46 | Hachiman | kek |
| 17:27.17 | Hachiman | Also I'm gonna need you and Imp to ready yourselves since I wanna do Odyssey soon |
| 17:27.19 | Xho | Arcanomancy since oil isn't an element |
| 17:27.22 | Hachiman | Once this headache passes |
| 17:27.28 | Xho | rite |
| 17:28.09 | ImpyDroid | Okay I guess |
| 17:28.36 | Hachiman | Unless you are unable to |
| 17:28.41 | Hachiman | Since you seem to be on droid |
| 17:28.52 | Xho | As for the Super Collab I still have no clue what's going on with that |
| 17:29.05 | Hachiman | I have jumped ship on that |
| 17:30.21 | Xho | I don't know particularly why it would be a galaxy or a space-stage setting |
| 17:30.35 | Xho | You could just do that in the Fictionverse and pass it off as a multi-user fiction |
| 17:31.34 | Monet | Yeah it's...kind of like it's been forgotten we've written multi-user fictions before. |
| 17:32.08 | Monet | Although most of those cases the "multi" part was 24 participants rather than say 10 |
| 17:32.25 | Monet | 2-4* |
| 17:32.38 | Xho | I kind of understand why it's happening though I'm failing to see a point in it |
| 17:33.19 | Ghelaway | Hachiman: Petroleum would be geomancy; vegetable oil would be floramancy, right? |
| 17:33.40 | Xho | Really with the users involved making a Civ Universe or something similar would be much more reasonable than a spin-off of the Fictionverse or Fantasyverse |
| 17:34.08 | Xho | You'd have different rules and settings and discussion about it would be more valuable |
| 17:34.39 | Hachiman | I would have thought that since it has liquid consistency, oil would fall under hydromancy |
| 17:34.46 | Hachiman | But then oil is not water |
| 17:34.52 | Technobliterator | Wormy__, are we going to start a new thread for the super collab on top of the project page already made? |
| 17:34.58 | Hachiman | And there is a separate school for blood which also has liquid consistency |
| 17:35.35 | OluapPlayer | I personally see blood magic as associated with living flesh as well as blood |
| 17:35.45 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 17:35.52 | OluapPlayer | That's just me |
| 17:36.26 | Technobliterator | Also, the reason why no one knows what's going on with the Super Collab is because there's been no real concrete ideas about it. The person who's been doing a good job trying to fix that is Random, of all people, funnily enough |
| 17:36.32 | Ghelaway | Oil and water don't mix in the real world, and I imagine that's true on Koldenwelt too. |
| 17:36.41 | Hachiman | Perhaps the manipulation of oil is a complex sub-school of geomancy |
| 17:37.06 | Technobliterator | I still say it's a good idea if people do it |
| 17:37.09 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 17:37.56 | Monet | The main difference is we were all going ot work on one faction together. |
| 17:38.59 | Technobliterator | Pretty sure that hasn't changed |
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| 17:40.02 | Monet | No we're just a little bogged down in what the accompanying universe is like. |
| 17:40.23 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 17:40.43 | Xho | Ideally you'd have to vote on a setting |
| 17:41.12 | Xho | Discussing is all well and good but I doubt you'd get to the bottom of it soon |
| 17:41.27 | Imperios | Hachiman: Come to thgink about it |
| 17:41.38 | Imperios | Oil is presumed to be of organic origin |
| 17:41.59 | Imperios | That is, dead things slowly coalescing into a liquid carbon chemical form |
| 17:42.02 | Imperios | Sooo |
| 17:42.03 | Imperios | Necromancy? |
| 17:42.23 | Hachiman | Eh, I would not call it necromancy because it is not bringing stuff back to life |
| 17:42.54 | OluapPlayer | You're comparing a natural process to giving life to zombies |
| 17:43.14 | Hachiman | Also when you describe oil like that, it makes it sound really creepy hur |
| 17:43.21 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: My point is, oil is basically liquidised corpses |
| 17:43.38 | Imperios | Imagine if someone would literally animate all the tiny things that originally created petroleum |
| 17:43.46 | Xho | necromancy best mancy |
| 17:43.50 | Xho | Apart from Ainsleymancy |
| 17:43.54 | Imperios | >A fossil fuel, petroleum is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, usually zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and subjected to both intense heat and pressure. |
| 17:43.59 | Monet | Well that's the thing. Most of the time it's liquefied plankton. |
| 17:44.10 | Imperios | Monet: But >large quantities |
| 17:44.11 | Monet | Yeah |
| 17:44.30 | Imperios | A black, oily horde of resurrected tiny organisms hungering for the flesh of living beings |
| 17:44.30 | Xho | Personally I'd say oil would come under geomancy actually |
| 17:44.45 | Xho | It's a substance from under the earth so |
| 17:44.48 | Imperios | True |
| 17:44.56 | Imperios | But oil-necromancy is so much cooler hur |
| 17:44.58 | OluapPlayer | In my opinion you're thinking too hard over something so irrelevant |
| 17:45.07 | Xho | oil-necromancy |
| 17:45.11 | Xho | Ainsley's Rapture |
| 17:45.25 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: It could be an interesting thing for a necromancer to do |
| 17:45.26 | Hachiman | Sounds like you're talking about his ass |
| 17:45.28 | Imperios | An interesting monster too |
| 17:45.29 | Monet | Oil is a liquid so imo hydromancy works. |
| 17:45.35 | Xho | That's Ainsley's Aperture |
| 17:45.41 | Hachiman | hur |
| 17:46.08 | Hachiman | Monet: But pyromancers can theoretically control lava and that is liquid |
| 17:46.08 | Imperios | Monet: But oil does not contain water |
| 17:46.29 | Monet | Imperios: I'm going by Aristotle's elements. |
| 17:46.30 | Xho | So the biggest question of the 30,000 years of Koldenwelt's history |
| 17:46.32 | Xho | "WHAT IS OIL" |
| 17:46.35 | Imperios | true |
| 17:46.48 | OluapPlayer | A shame we don't have a whole school of magic dedicated to what doesn't fall into one of the elements |
| 17:46.50 | OluapPlayer | O fucking wait |
| 17:47.31 | Xho | oilmancy |
| 17:47.40 | Imperios | Oil is not particularily arcane |
| 17:47.43 | Imperios | Logically speaking |
| 17:47.46 | Hachiman | I personally feel that oil is a geomancy art |
| 17:47.52 | Imperios | If oil was used to fuel fire, it'd be pyromancy |
| 17:47.57 | Monet | Hold on just had a bit of research |
| 17:48.01 | Imperios | If it was manipulated directly, geomancy or hydromancy |
| 17:48.03 | Xho | 2 against everyone else go fuk urselves |
| 17:48.03 | OluapPlayer | Using oil to fuel fire is not magic |
| 17:48.08 | OluapPlayer | It's just using oil as a fuel |
| 17:48.14 | Imperios | Setting oil on fire with magic |
| 17:48.24 | Imperios | Like throw a fireball on an oil field - BOOM |
| 17:48.31 | Xho | Just call it an alchemical phenomenon |
| 17:48.36 | Xho | And call it a day |
| 17:48.37 | Imperios | If it was treated as a mass of corpses, it'd be necromancy |
| 17:48.43 | OluapPlayer | The only magic part of that is the fire |
| 17:48.52 | Imperios | Right so geomancy mostly then |
| 17:48.56 | Monet | Wait wouldn't the Klaxxa be the only ones with access to crude oil? |
| 17:48.59 | Imperios | But still imagine animated resurrected oil |
| 17:49.05 | Imperios | Monet: Why would it? |
| 17:49.16 | Imperios | I imagine the Merovar could have it in the desert too |
| 17:49.37 | OluapPlayer | Merovar don't have machinery that would need petrolium |
| 17:49.38 | Monet | Imperios: Because oil tends to form underground. |
| 17:49.54 | Hachiman | inb4 most of the oil in the Sea of Sand is actually Sohet |
| 17:49.55 | Monet | tends to reside, sorry |
| 17:50.12 | Imperios | Monet: Yes but there are naturally forming oil wells and the like |
| 17:50.30 | Imperios | You could find it while digging accidentally |
| 17:50.33 | Monet | Before the industrial revolution, many used oils came from either plants or animals. |
| 17:50.38 | Imperios | I mean petroleum |
| 17:50.51 | Monet | I know you mena petroleum |
| 17:50.55 | Hachiman | I can imagine that more sophisticated pyromancers use oil to augment and enhance their magic |
| 17:51.08 | Xho | Napalmomancy |
| 17:51.13 | Xho | fuk u all |
| 17:51.16 | Imperios | Egyptians used bitumen for mummification I believe |
| 17:51.22 | Hachiman | Pyromancers love the smell of it in the morning |
| 17:52.27 | Hachiman | Oh that reminds me |
| 17:52.32 | Imperios | I think oil was used in the Russian Empire before industrialisation, albeit not on a large scale |
| 17:52.44 | Imperios | Just because it burned fairly well |
| 17:53.27 | Imperios | Didn't Greek fire contain oil too? |
| 17:53.53 | Monet | Okay so perhaps you don't need ot drill deep to get crude oil |
| 17:54.22 | Monet | But you don't need drills to get a number of oils. |
| 17:54.34 | Imperios | It wasn't that it was super hard to find, it is just that it was useless until the 20th century |
| 17:54.41 | Imperios | Other than a thing that burned well |
| 17:55.01 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 17:55.24 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADoctrina_Venefica#1/7/34:_Shambles |
| 17:55.42 | Imperios | >Shambles |
| 17:55.47 | Imperios | [TRIGGERED] |
| 17:55.54 | Hachiman | Read hur |
| 17:56.05 | Monet | Right which is why I suggested the Klaxxa might use it most. |
| 17:56.22 | Monet | Hachiman: We did sort of go o nwithotu him |
| 17:56.55 | Imperios | Hachiman: Not until you comment on the additions to the PAE page hur |
| 17:57.04 | Hachiman | I haven't read them |
| 17:57.15 | Hachiman | I'm not involved with the PAE remember hur |
| 17:57.37 | Hachiman | I saw your new PAE pics though, those were pretty cool |
| 17:57.42 | Hachiman | Especially the one with the gladiators |
| 17:57.51 | Imperios | Neither am I involved in Doctrina Venefica hur |
| 17:57.57 | Imperios | So reeeeede |
| 17:57.57 | Imperios | *reeeed |
| 17:59.10 | Hachiman | Right link to me what I should read |
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| 17:59.35 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 17:59.35 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Pan-Andromedan_Ecumene Shockingly enough |
| 18:00.02 | Imperios | We've been expanding this page for the last few weeks |
| 18:00.22 | Hachiman | Right |
| 18:00.45 | Imperios | I am surprised you did not notice a Zazane girl taking a selfie |
| 18:00.52 | Imperios | On one of the pictures |
| 18:02.10 | Hachiman | I know about Minon |
| 18:02.22 | Imperios | No not her |
| 18:02.44 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/cb/Acvartis_Temple.png/revision/latest?cb=20160409174131 |
| 18:02.57 | Hachiman | Oh Gid |
| 18:02.59 | Hachiman | God even |
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| 18:03.16 | Imperios | Git |
| 18:03.27 | Wormy_ | hub |
| 18:03.28 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:03.28 | Hachiman | I saw that pic but I did not notice her |
| 18:03.36 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Alar%27xashan Comment on this while you're at it |
| 18:03.42 | Imperios | Quote that is\ |
| 18:04.08 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Jaharan_ae-Zamarros Quoting this guy is appreciated to |
| 18:04.23 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kz%27nt And you have Lunarai so you can quote her too |
| 18:05.50 | Hachiman | Wormy has Lunarai |
| 18:06.05 | Hachiman | And I have no one to comment with for Jaharan hur |
| 18:06.10 | Imperios | Then someone still ought to quote her hur |
| 18:06.30 | Imperios | he's a fairly important historical character, even if noone of your folks knew him in person they'd probably know of him |
| 18:06.40 | Imperios | And you have no excuses when quoting Alar'xashan hur |
| 18:07.05 | Hachiman | Plus what can I quote for Alar'xashan with Crux? WÍÍ¡Í̸ÍOÍÌ·OÒFÍÌ·Í |
| 18:07.13 | Imperios | At least that |
| 18:07.21 | Imperios | Also I am pretty sure some mortal characters know of him |
| 18:07.35 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 18:07.40 | Monet | Jaharan's easily the kind of person who wastalked about by people who were born after he died. |
| 18:07.56 | Hachiman | I'll have to have a think |
| 18:07.59 | Hachiman | but pls reed doctrina |
| 18:08.08 | Hachiman | ur likes an support keep our channel goin |
| 18:08.16 | Hachiman | an support me on patreon |
| 18:08.35 | Imperios | The only question I have is |
| 18:08.42 | Hachiman | Lots of good info on the PAE page though |
| 18:08.43 | Imperios | Does Shambles need to feed |
| 18:08.47 | Hachiman | I doubt it |
| 18:09.15 | Hachiman | If anything, they give him |
| 18:09.17 | Hachiman | Bone meals |
| 18:09.39 | Imperios | I presume he relies on constant magical supply by Clothovera |
| 18:11.15 | Technobliterator | so, is the PAE basically just one single faction now? |
| 18:11.20 | Technobliterator | as opposed to an alliance of different ones? |
| 18:11.28 | Imperios | The AGC was an alliance |
| 18:11.34 | Imperios | The PAE is a federation |
| 18:11.40 | Technobliterator | right |
| 18:12.12 | Imperios | The Andromedan empires still have some degree of indepence but for the most part interact as a single entity |
| 18:12.52 | Charles_Murray | France - So-So-Sovereignty! |
| 18:13.25 | Imperios | Hons are more an exception |
| 18:14.31 | Imperios | Actually I wonder how much of a leash does the PAE have over baguettes |
| 18:14.47 | Imperios | Metaphorically speaking |
| 18:15.40 | Monet | Charles ad I talked that it's like the UK with Europe. |
| 18:16.05 | Monet | France is part of the PAE but it gets special privelages that it can do what it likes. |
| 18:16.57 | Imperios | Yeah but what would the PAE do if it needed to coax France into something it does not particularily strongly agree with, like a conflict that might prove unpopular |
| 18:17.09 | Imperios | If that case emerged |
| 18:17.37 | Charles_Murray | What's particularly telling is that, in that case, it would have to treat France like it would an outside power |
| 18:18.00 | Charles_Murray | Because if it were to try to wield internal jurisdictional or legislative authority, France could just veto it |
| 18:18.05 | Charles_Murray | Because highlord |
| 18:19.23 | Imperios | True that |
| 18:19.57 | Charles_Murray | If it came to coercion, where negotiation within the system is impossible and all quid pro quo understandings have broken down (which would be a catastrophe indeed), France would have to be bargained with using extralegal means, or by threatening to dismantle something it holds dear within the system |
| 18:20.10 | Charles_Murray | But that's a big if |
| 18:21.12 | Charles_Murray | Because France can most definitely be reasoned with, and there's room to maneuver. If the Andromedan Loron crisis proves anything, it's that it's not in a state of mind where it will halt the entire apparatus of the PAE solely on an issue of ideology |
| 18:21.15 | Charles_Murray | It can adapt |
| 18:21.29 | Charles_Murray | But it will, in doing so, look to reach an agreement with the PAE where its interests are respected |
| 18:22.56 | AdmiralPanda | [04:08] <Imperios> Does Shambles need to feed < honestly not sure what to think about the fact that the thing I abhor most is my lasting legacy |
| 18:22.59 | Charles_Murray | But if the PAE starts to demand things which are so costly where leaving the PAE is a better option, France will be forced to leave |
| 18:23.07 | Charles_Murray | Imperios |
| 18:23.16 | Imperios | Right makes sense |
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| 18:23.43 | Imperios | Shambles is [TRIGGERING] to me |
| 18:24.06 | Charles_Murray | Any other questions in that line of thought? ^.^ |
| 18:24.16 | Imperios | Nah, I think what you said makes sense |
| 18:24.41 | Imperios | I imagine the Draconid Imperium and the Divinarium parts of the Ecumene would seek to strengthen their economical ties with France |
| 18:24.54 | Imperios | So that they would always have a leverage in a dispute |
| 18:25.00 | Imperios | And vice versa |
| 18:26.24 | Charles_Murray | Right; That's common practice, and actually at the heart of US foreign policy for the last eighty years |
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| 18:26.37 | Charles_Murray | Though not in a coercive way |
| 18:26.43 | Charles_Murray | (Sometimes in a coercive way) |
| 18:27.10 | Charles_Murray | The thinking is that countries whose economies are tightly interwoven are more likely to value their relationship with that country |
| 18:27.20 | Charles_Murray | And less likely to go to war or take harmful action |
| 18:27.32 | Charles_Murray | The essence of that relationship is trust and mutual understanding |
| 18:27.53 | Imperios | That's what is happening with China I think |
| 18:27.54 | Charles_Murray | And if you break that trust by trying to leverage that relationship for your own gain, bad things happen |
| 18:28.23 | Charles_Murray | Notably, the legitimacy of the whole system takes a hit |
| 18:28.45 | Imperios | Nobody can really hurt China because it is essential to world economy, and yet China cannot hurt anyone either because it relies heavily on foreign investments |
| 18:29.19 | Charles_Murray | Kind of, yeah, that's one part of it |
| 18:30.07 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhPaY1HEjEc&feature=share b0ng0s |
| 18:30.36 | Hachiman | I have that fucking shirt |
| 18:30.41 | Charles_Bot | ImpyDroid: if I'm not being picky, yes, that's exactly how it works |
| 18:31.12 | Xho | Hachiman: I think most Meshuggah fans do |
| 18:31.38 | Charles_Bot | Imperios sorry |
| 18:31.38 | Xho | http://www.omerchnordic.com/shop/ws6/45306/art6/h6390/25626390-origpic-a2731b.jpg I have this one |
| 18:31.47 | Hachiman | I'm also wearing my Destroy Erase Improve shirt right now |
| 18:31.57 | Hachiman | My sister got me that one for Christmas |
| 18:33.05 | Xho | Futile Bread Machine |
| 18:33.09 | Hachiman | hur |
| 18:33.19 | Hachiman | I remember that |
| 18:34.19 | Xho | So they have tracks like In Death - Is Death and Dancers To A Discordant System |
| 18:34.23 | Xho | and then futile bread machine |
| 18:35.02 | Xho | get to da dam odc rp |
| 18:35.43 | Hachiman | Oh right yes |
| 18:35.49 | Hachiman | Lucky my headache passed so |
| 18:35.53 | Hachiman | Let's do this |
| 18:36.43 | Xho | link me scotty |
| 18:36.56 | Imperios | grgergrew wrl |
| 18:37.00 | Imperios | limnk |
| 18:37.11 | Hachiman | The fuck was that |
| 18:37.16 | Imperios | *link |
| 18:37.43 | Imperios | Hachiman: A bit of keyboard tapping and "Link" |
| 18:37.46 | Imperios | What confuses you? |
| 18:37.57 | Hachiman | You sound like you don't wanna do it hur |
| 18:38.29 | Imperios | I do not have much time left and I have work to do hur |
| 18:38.47 | Imperios | Personally I'd prefer to do it on Tuesday |
| 18:39.00 | Hachiman | Nghngh |
| 18:39.15 | Imperios | But since I won't be needed to do stuff |
| 18:39.16 | Hachiman | Isn't Tuesday one of Xho's busy days |
| 18:39.20 | Xho | Not this week no |
| 18:39.21 | Imperios | Thursday then |
| 18:39.23 | Xho | Every other week |
| 18:39.25 | Xho | Thursday's my busy day |
| 18:39.27 | Hachiman | NO NOT THURSDAY |
| 18:39.41 | Imperios | Thursday and Tuesday are my non-busy days hur |
| 18:39.54 | Xho | Tuesday then |
| 18:39.59 | Imperios | We can start |
| 18:40.01 | Hachiman | Fucking top ech |
| 18:40.13 | Xho | Oh no wait I can't |
| 18:40.17 | Xho | I'm out all day that day |
| 18:40.27 | Imperios | Right start today then |
| 18:40.47 | Hachiman | Right |
| 18:40.53 | Imperios | Only like one hour or so |
| 18:40.55 | Hachiman | https://titanpad.com/N1tDCLwTcp |
| 18:40.58 | Xho | Going up to London to see Muse live |
| 18:41.03 | Hachiman | Niiice |
| 18:41.18 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: https://titanpad.com/N1tDCLwTcp tongue but hole |
| 18:41.43 | Xho | u killed him |
| 18:43.26 | Monet | Okay so I may as well update Maxios' page..aand I forgot the last time I updated it lol. |
| 18:43.41 | Monet | All I can tell was "sometime halfway though New DAwn" |
| 18:44.08 | Xho | Was that in this millennium |
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| 18:45.42 | Monet | Around 2793 |
| 18:46.17 | Xho | jesus |
| 18:47.04 | Monet | The last time he appeared I think was i nthe early 2800s. He survived a bomb attack on the Imperial Cyrannian senate |
| 18:48.00 | Xho | "Democracy? DEMOCRACY" |
| 18:54.38 | Monet | Maxios' new ful ltitle shall be "His Esteemed Royal Majesty Paragavatus Maxios Telvenun Ultanos I, Grand-Duke of the United Drallivian Republics, Highlord of the Pan-Andromedan Ecumene, 511th Master-King of the Draconid Imperium, Scion of the Grand House Valocanus, Binder of Grand House Telvenum and Royal House Ultanos" |
| 18:55.22 | Xho | 511 rulers |
| 18:55.28 | Xho | dam dracs u old |
| 18:57.08 | Monet | Maxios - That number makes me feel small. |
| 19:07.53 | Imperios | Iovera - GET DOWN TO WORK NEW GUY |
| 19:09.33 | Monet | Maxios - :( |
| 19:16.20 | Imperios | I can totally imagine Iovera acting like a grumpy old lady in the council |
| 19:17.14 | Wormy_ | Spu says "going up to London", that feels like such an odd statement to me. |
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| 19:17.52 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:17.57 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 19:18.00 | Xho | Wormy_: lol get south'd |
| 19:18.07 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:18.19 | Wormy_ | I got totally south'd |
| 19:18.51 | Monet | London's okay if you don't mind crowds. |
| 19:19.03 | The_Randomness | Time to quickly catch up on the collab stuff |
| 19:19.10 | Imperios | I would like to see London |
| 19:19.12 | Monet | Hyde Park and the museums are beautiful though. |
| 19:19.16 | Imperios | But I imagine it'd be like Moscow on steroids |
| 19:19.21 | Xho | To a tourist London's quite a sight I'd imagine |
| 19:19.23 | Imperios | What are the people in London right actually? |
| 19:19.29 | Imperios | *London like |
| 19:19.33 | Xho | Unfriendly |
| 19:19.36 | Imperios | Ah |
| 19:19.38 | Imperios | So like Muscovites |
| 19:19.40 | Imperios | I was correct |
| 19:19.42 | Xho | You'd have to get around on your own accord |
| 19:20.09 | Wormy_ | East End of London is the rough end. We have a soap opera called Eastenders about them. |
| 19:20.35 | Xho | 5,260 episodes later it still makes no sense |
| 19:20.39 | Wormy_ | West end the posh end, I think |
| 19:20.56 | Wormy_ | Inner London thinks they are separate from rest of the UK, and they kind of are |
| 19:20.57 | Xho | West End's mostly commercial, Central/North of the City is posh |
| 19:21.00 | Monet | Yeah keep to the north side of the Thames and around the city centre unless you're going to see the Tate Modern or Madame Tussauds. |
| 19:21.04 | Wormy_ | I see |
| 19:21.10 | Wormy_ | Whats the South end like? |
| 19:21.30 | Monet | Only Fools and Horses. |
| 19:21.43 | Xho | Yeah not great |
| 19:21.56 | Monet | Though I don't think Southwark's *too* bad. |
| 19:23.06 | Wormy_ | I've been to London twice |
| 19:23.19 | Wormy_ | A few more times to the outskirts to see relatives |
| 19:23.51 | Wormy_ | I got seriously dehydrated and ill the second time |
| 19:24.05 | Wormy_ | not a city person |
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| 19:24.28 | Xho | London is not good for your health no |
| 19:25.05 | Monet | I mostly find myself going though London. If I do stay for a day it's either Kensington, the City or around the Matural Hitsory/Science museum. |
| 19:26.16 | Monet | I did spend one week's work experience at an architect's in Fulham though. |
| 19:26.47 | Monet | Man that area was posh. |
| 19:27.13 | Imperios | Xho: What do you mean by that |
| 19:27.16 | Imperios | The rain and the like? |
| 19:27.21 | Xho | No the pollution |
| 19:27.27 | Monet | Pollution. |
| 19:27.30 | Imperios | Ah |
| 19:27.55 | Xho | A general first-in-a-long-time trip to London will sting your lungs and leave your eyes watering |
| 19:28.34 | Monet | I spent only four days there and well...what came out of my nose from the cleaner Oxfordshire air was not pretty. |
| 19:28.34 | Monet | from returning to the* |
| 19:28.51 | Monet | I think I'm acclimatised to short bouts of London air. |
| 19:29.05 | Imperios | Y'all can't handle the city air hur |
| 19:29.07 | Hachiman | London fucking stinks |
| 19:29.15 | OluapPlayer | Get back to the rp fuck sake |
| 19:29.15 | Imperios | Do you have that thing in London when buildings and streets are covered in a thin layer of grease from automobiles constantly moving around |
| 19:29.15 | Hachiman | It literally stinks like shit and garbage |
| 19:29.58 | Monet | Imperios: Possibly, not sure. |
| 19:30.44 | Monet | THis conversation is makin me feel like the only Brit here whose confortable with spending more than a few hours in London. |
| 19:32.39 | Hachiman | A few hours is how much most people can afford to spend in London |
| 19:32.43 | Hachiman | Good luck living there |
| 19:33.27 | Monet | The upside is jobs pay well in London. |
| 19:33.57 | Hachiman | Yes, they do - good job getting a job in this economu |
| 19:34.00 | Hachiman | economy |
| 19:34.05 | Monet | The main problem is yeah rent. But name me a megacity in the devleoped world where rent isn't sky-high? |
| 19:34.42 | Xho | Tokyo |
| 19:35.15 | Monet | Aren't the apartments tiny though? |
| 19:35.20 | Xho | yes |
| 19:35.32 | Monet | SO land value is still high. |
| 19:35.56 | Xho | It's like £20 per square metre |
| 19:36.34 | Xho | And the average apartment is 60 square metres |
| 19:37.13 | Imperios | Am I like the only person here who can survive in big cities hur |
| 19:37.39 | Monet | Imperios: You and I it seems. |
| 19:37.58 | Xho | Oh I can survive in big cities |
| 19:38.07 | Xho | London's air is just inhospitable |
| 19:38.46 | Monet | Plus of living in Tokyo: Rent's decent, Minus of living there: Enjoy your shoebox. |
| 19:38.53 | Xho | yup |
| 19:39.20 | Xho | Well the Japanese are known for the minimalistic lifestyle |
| 19:42.43 | Imperios | I wonder what it'd be like to live in Seoul |
| 19:43.24 | Monet | Imperios: Whats' the air like in St. Petersberg or Moscow? |
| 19:43.34 | Imperios | Depends on the area |
| 19:43.55 | Imperios | The Maritime District is wonderful |
| 19:44.01 | Monet | What are you used to. |
| 19:44.03 | Imperios | Central regions are shit |
| 19:44.40 | Imperios | Well back when I lived in the Maritime District, the air was fairly fresh, here on Vasilyevski Island... not so much |
| 19:45.06 | Imperios | As I said, we have layers of grease in some places here from the traffic |
| 19:45.58 | Monet | You might be okay with London then. |
| 19:46.07 | Imperios | I would |
| 19:46.26 | Imperios | My parents are afraid of the immigrant/refugee districts tho |
| 19:46.30 | Monet | London might not be so bad due to the congestion charge |
| 19:46.36 | Imperios | (yes I know I sound like a fucking child when I say that) |
| 19:47.17 | Monet | Especially in the central areas you might either see people on bikes, or large bike racks. |
| 19:56.02 | Wormy_ | My Grandma remembers the pea soup smog of London and how people had to keep their windows closed on a bad day. |
| 19:56.07 | Wormy_ | So it was worse |
| 19:57.46 | Wormy_ | That reminds me, in Derbyshire right into the 80's we had coal fired factories everywhere and most people used coal to light their fires. The result? Stone walls today are still black with soot, and cars back in the 80's not covered over would get theursurfaces eaten away by acid rain. |
| 19:58.21 | Wormy_ | But all the stone walls and brick walls are still blackened |
| 19:58.32 | Monet | Ol' Boris has done a lot to clean up London. |
| 19:58.39 | Wormy_ | And not the natural colour of the local gritstone |
| 20:11.09 | Monet | I recall eharing about the pea soupers. |
| 20:11.17 | Monet | That was before the clean air act. |
| 20:16.16 | Technobliterator | London in general is awful |
| 20:16.46 | Technobliterator | everytime I've been there, I basically hated it |
| 20:17.05 | Technobliterator | the underground is just |
| 20:17.05 | Technobliterator | ugh |
| 20:17.47 | Monet | Different peopel different tastes. |
| 20:17.51 | Imperios | Why are we the only country that realised that underground must look fancy? |
| 20:18.05 | Monet | I like the London Underground personally. |
| 20:18.39 | Technobliterator | the cost of living, the congestion, the underground, just ugh |
| 20:18.44 | Monet | Though it's one of those environments where you're best off keeping to your own journey. |
| 20:19.03 | Monet | Minding your own business basically. |
| 20:19.05 | Technobliterator | Boris Johnson is hilarious though |
| 20:19.57 | Monet | Technobliterator: I've been on the NYC underground the one time I was in the city. |
| 20:20.06 | Technobliterator | yeah, I have been as well |
| 20:20.10 | Technobliterator | I wasn't really fond of that either |
| 20:20.16 | Technobliterator | I hate trains in general, really |
| 20:20.19 | Monet | Now that system was jsut...yikes. |
| 20:20.45 | Technobliterator | Lots of parts of New York are dirty and overly expensive |
| 20:20.51 | Technobliterator | But it has its redeeming qualities |
| 20:21.30 | Monet | Stations were dingy, people were pushy, I think it might have enouraged this one decision to walk from Battery Park all the way to Union Square. |
| 20:23.18 | Monet | Took me an hour but it's one of those things I fondly remember of my first trip there. |
| 20:27.00 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Telvenum anyway have a dargon |
| 20:28.04 | Imperios | gud |
| 20:28.37 | Imperios | Now make him a fancy model, a portrait and add him to the PAE page |
| 20:29.37 | Monet | Soon(TM) |
| 20:30.24 | Imperios | You're not Blizzard |
| 20:31.21 | Xho | Monet: "Never imagined I'd share a table with a Kicath but there you go." Kitravasuron - man allies for 170,000 years and you come out with that you need a right good suplexing |
| 20:32.00 | Monet | Drallivian - Dude 40 years ago I didn't even know there was an Imperium |
| 20:32.14 | Monet | Maxios* |
| 20:32.39 | Monet | Maxios - Well I did, I just didn't know if it still existed. It was a legend |
| 20:33.24 | Monet | Mxios - Plz don't suplex me |
| 20:33.35 | Xho | Kitravasuron - and you're the paragon SUPLEX INBOUND |
| 20:34.01 | Monet | Maxios - FUK |
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| 20:41.55 | Monet | Thinking about it maybe being catapulted from provincial to galactic leader means Maxios is a *little* in over his head. |
| 20:42.08 | Xho | Kitravasuron goes down in history as "The Kicath who threw the Paragon of the Draconid Imperium through a table" |
| 20:44.31 | Monet | Imagine the SpaceTwitter eraction |
| 20:45.09 | Xho | #PresidentSuplex |
| 20:47.01 | Monet | Thinking about it yes. |
| 20:47.23 | Monet | COnsider al Uriel has done. MAxios ahs to try and live up to that |
| 20:56.35 | Imperios | And then Iovera gets mad and literally electrocutes everyone in the room |
| 20:58.47 | Charles_Murray | Alexandre - Ehem. |
| 20:59.18 | Charles_Murray | Alexandre - This is the Council of the Highlords. Not preschool. |
| 21:00.39 | Monet | Maxios - *squeaks like Loki did after meeting the Hulk* |
| 21:05.18 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/12920322_952897174825238_560594093920199057_n.jpg?oh=a75350655a3563c8addf224acaca61dc&oe=57BB7AEB |
| 21:05.31 | Hachiman | Bane in the Batcave |
| 21:05.40 | OluapPlayer | Good lord |
| 21:06.14 | Monet | Imperios: I just realised |
| 21:06.32 | Monet | Iovera's a cute rodent who electrocutes people that annoy her. |
| 21:06.42 | Monet | Iovera is Pikachu there |
| 21:07.29 | Imperios | PIKA- |
| 21:08.05 | Imperios | Her lightning abilities are actually a remnant of her old characterisation |
| 21:08.14 | Imperios | When she was a manipulative orator |
| 21:09.01 | Imperios | Monet: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/740/052/5cb.jpg |
| 21:09.13 | Monet | "Those who challenge me get Ben Franklin'd" |
| 21:10.26 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Alexandre would not be considered a personal ally of the Draconid Paragon? |
| 21:10.51 | Charles_Murray | (Actual question, no reproach) |
| 21:11.32 | Monet | Charles_Murray: It's msotly a case that I don't think Maxios and Valery really spoke to each other before he became paragon |
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| 21:12.04 | Monet | They might of, maybe not much, but it mostly stems from me not really using him. |
| 21:12.21 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Alexandre was at his wedding where he awarded the whole family the Grand Cross of the Legion of Honor |
| 21:12.47 | Monet | oh right, forgot that bit |
| 21:13.06 | Charles_Murray | He might have made a point to socialize with him a bit, and vice-versa (EoTF is a powerful contact to have, heh) |
| 21:13.27 | Charles_Murray | Though whether that translates into mutual trust and cooperation is another matter entirely |
| 21:13.56 | Charles_Murray | i.e., while Uriel and Alexandre were very close and trusted each other implicitly given what they've been through, Maxios might think differently of Alexandre |
| 21:14.14 | Charles_Murray | And thus align himself differently versus the French administration |
| 21:17.29 | Monet | This first year Maxios might be trying to consolidate himself |
| 21:18.08 | Monet | It was quite a shock ot be asked ot become paragon. |
| 21:18.21 | Charles_Murray | He'd definitely receive word from the French recognizing the transition of power and praising him as the new Paragon |
| 21:21.51 | Monet | He might turn to Alexandre as an ally of Uriel |
| 21:22.56 | Monet | The Kicath highlord's in the 'liked' section because Maxios knew nothing of the guy before his ascension. |
| 21:23.59 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1179/11799911/2947197-3.jpg |
| 21:26.22 | Hachiman | Spartan Batman? |
| 21:27.53 | Imperios | Uh huh |
| 21:29.18 | Imperios | Monet Xho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-5DJhBh6M |
| 21:32.29 | Monet | One of my classmates linked me this some time ago. Tis funny |
| 21:32.34 | Monet | Especially the end. |
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| 21:36.16 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Odyssey_of_the_Desert/The_Allied_Offensive Ta-daa |
| 21:36.33 | Imperios | ^ do not read this |
| 21:36.35 | Imperios | ^^ This sucks |
| 21:37.26 | Xho | ^^^ oil |
| 21:37.46 | Hachiman | The Dynasty is fighting Khaepsha-ultan for its oil |
| 21:37.58 | Hachiman | Megrovaz did 9/11 |
| 21:38.22 | Imperios | Khep magic cannot melt stone fortresses |
| 21:39.48 | Technobliterator | why in the hell do daily mail posts show up on my news feed ._. |
| 21:40.26 | Monet | Because flawed algorithms. |
| 21:40.51 | Technobliterator | very flawed algorithms |
| 21:40.55 | Technobliterator | Google is much better at this |
| 21:41.11 | Monet | You might have seen one DM article and it thought "hey I see you looked at the Daily Mail one time. Have more Daily Mail" |
| 21:41.41 | Technobliterator | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.02 | Monet | Oh *that* flaw. |
| 21:42.07 | Monet | I've had that. |
| 21:43.07 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 21:43.24 | Technobliterator | oh, I can just hide all posts from the person or the DM page |
| 21:43.25 | Technobliterator | this is good |
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| 22:29.45 | Charles_Murray | Monet |
| 22:30.00 | Charles_Murray | You inspired me to write this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Head_of_State |
| 22:34.19 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty good |
| 22:37.56 | Monet | Closing paragraph's pretty poignant |
| 22:38.41 | Monet | The longevity of a new nation can be made or broken by what the second person to hold office does...if any. |
| 22:39.51 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 22:40.01 | Charles_Murray | That's a machiavellian concept, believe it or not |
| 22:40.41 | Monet | Backed by history though. |
| 22:41.10 | Charles_Murray | Machiavelli observed that a monarchic state could be made great by a single ruler, but the downfall of monarchy was that it was highly improbable that the next ruler would be as suited to his times due to the nature of hereditary succession |
| 22:41.22 | Charles_Murray | Which is why he preferred a republic |
| 22:41.37 | Charles_Murray | Mhm, Machiavelli backs himself with history ;0 |
| 22:41.39 | Charles_Murray | ;) |
| 22:45.20 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Though that is a lot of pressure to put on Alexandre-Bonaparte xD |
| 22:47.00 | Monet | Poor kid |
| 22:50.24 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 Wormy_ Vincent20100 In case you didn't see http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Head_of_State |
| 22:53.00 | Tek0516 | Interesting. |
| 22:53.23 | Tek0516 | I'd be more detailed but exam tomorrow. :P |
| 22:53.46 | Charles_Murray | Of course ^.^ |
| 22:53.48 | Charles_Murray | Good luck! |
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| 22:56.31 | Wormy_ | I like your use of collapsible tables |
| 22:57.27 | Charles_Murray | Cool ^.^ I just wrote the section about Alexandre, did you see that? |
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| 23:01.00 | Hachiman | Goddamn internet |
| 23:01.08 | Hachiman | Unlikely anybody read Odyssey anyway though hur |
| 23:01.17 | Charles_Murray | Hachi : I wrote a thing http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Head_of_State |
| 23:01.30 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: I've been doing other stuff, sorry |
| 23:01.31 | DrodoEmpire | Link? |
| 23:01.59 | Hachiman | Eh, it's a Fantasyverse story so you wouldn't be interested |
| 23:02.04 | Hachiman | Plus no realpolitik |
| 23:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | Me? No I would be :p |
| 23:02.18 | DrodoEmpire | I *have* a fantasyverse fiction |
| 23:02.21 | Charles_Murray | ^ Drodo straddles styles |
| 23:02.29 | DrodoEmpire | And that, not to mention |
| 23:02.38 | Hachiman | Oh, I mixed up you and Charles |
| 23:02.41 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 23:02.45 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Odyssey_of_the_Desert/The_Allied_Offensive |
| 23:03.23 | Charles_Bot | Olol |
| 23:04.17 | DrodoEmpire | Actually about that Hachi we never did continue that RP we were doing |
| 23:05.16 | Hachiman | Oh, we didn't |
| 23:05.22 | Hachiman | I'll have to continue it at some point |
| 23:05.29 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it'd be good |
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| 23:08.10 | dino82_ | hi al |
| 23:08.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi dino |
| 23:09.23 | dino82_ | Hi! How is allz doing! |
| 23:09.37 | DrodoEmpire | I'm well. You? |
| 23:10.33 | dino82_ | Great to hear! Me as well, thanks! |
| 23:11.20 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, not so great now- Apparently some 110 people've been killed by a fireworks accident in India |
| 23:11.46 | Charles_Bot | dino82_: I wrote a thing! http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Head_of_State |
| 23:12.12 | dino82_ | @Drodo: Oh really? Missed that news, that is terrible news! |
| 23:12.32 | DrodoEmpire | Terrible indeed |
| 23:12.40 | DrodoEmpire | Seems to have *just* happened today |
| 23:13.56 | dino82_ | @Charles: Just read it! Very neat! |
| 23:17.08 | Charles_Bot | Cool! Any thoughts on Alexandre or how he's being presented there? |
| 23:17.18 | dino82_ | seems like a remarkable man with questionable politics |
| 23:17.36 | dino82_ | but I like his describtion, gives him a bit of mystery feeling aroudn him :D |
| 23:18.06 | Charles_Bot | Thanks :D That's great! |
| 23:18.36 | Charles_Bot | I'm curious as to what you see as questionable about his politics ;) It's different for every person, |
| 23:18.45 | Charles_Bot | And interpretation is interesting |
| 23:20.02 | Wormy_ | Charles: I did read the section |
| 23:20.48 | dino82_ | @CHarles: More in the sense that his own people sometimes fails to grab his intentions |
| 23:20.56 | dino82_ | wich to the public could seem as questionable |
| 23:21.36 | dino82_ | but actually doing a fine job to keep France excistence amongst a gigaquadrant that is utterly divided and some parts of it in chaos |
| 23:25.05 | Wormy_ | Charles_Bot, Monet: Me, Random and Ghelae have talked for a few hours about the scope of the Super Collab. We are thinking about it should be no more than 15 light years in area to start with |
| 23:25.33 | Wormy_ | Within 12.5 light years of Sol, there are over 33 stars |
| 23:26.01 | Wormy_ | That's a lot of planets per star |
| 23:26.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah true |
| 23:27.21 | Wormy_ | Also, one might consider the diversity of nations, or even "races" of genetically enhanced, or planet adapted inhabitants, or even AI. There would plenty to choose from in terms of mermbers and so on. |
| 23:27.40 | Wormy_ | All stemming from one clade of species |
| 23:29.24 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 23:29.32 | Wormy_ | Technologically, if we want a limited form of FTL travel, it means our civilisation can manipulate high energy physics. So that does imply the need to build megastructures, like stellar engines or dyson bubbles. |
| 23:29.44 | Wormy_ | *has to manipulate |
| 23:31.43 | Wormy_ | In terms of constraints on megastructure building, one idea Ghelae had is that there was a catastrophe that put the civilisation off of building more. But that's not very certain to stop building them at all. |
| 23:32.00 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 23:33.01 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_: Or perhaps primitive forms of warp which strain the power generation capabilities of the fiction? |
| 23:33.15 | Wormy_ | So the other idea was that there was a war of stars. Stellar life that basically didn't like their stars being squeezed/changed, that could communicate using radio waves with other stellar life. And so there was a war of star life and planetary life |
| 23:34.04 | Charles_Bot | dino82_: that's interesting ^.^ One of the things I wasn't able to convey fully is that he chose to make it so his power is tied to how well he's able to convince his public that he's doing a good job |
| 23:34.15 | Charles_Bot | Which is really difficult to do at times in any democracy |
| 23:34.33 | Wormy_ | Maybe, there are tentative models that cut down the amount of "exotic matter" (negative mass) you would need to produce. But producing it in any significant quantities would be very difficult |
| 23:34.37 | Monet | WellWormy_: I'm not sure, the fictionverse already has a lot of wars for survival. |
| 23:34.53 | dino82_ | @charles: True, a fine leader thus D |
| 23:35.12 | Charles_Bot | Power is voted to him |
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| 23:35.37 | Wormy_ | Well the outcome is that after the "War of Stars", megastructure production pretty much ceases. And it solves the Fermi Paradox of other megastructure building super-civilisations. |
| 23:35.58 | Wormy_ | Except for those hard-won against the star life |
| 23:35.59 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:36.43 | Charles_Bot | Star Trek was able to have low-grade warp, though, with limited infrastructure during Enterprise |
| 23:36.59 | Monet | Wormy_ It might be more of a personal opinion. |
| 23:37.04 | DrodoEmpire | I think Wormy_'s going for harder scifi though |
| 23:37.06 | Wormy_ | Don't get me started on Star Trek physics :P |
| 23:37.11 | DrodoEmpire | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 23:37.14 | Wormy_ | Nah this is Ghelae's idea |
| 23:37.28 | DrodoEmpire | "Treknobabble" is entirely worthless in this discussion really |
| 23:37.38 | DrodoEmpire | What "Warp" is is pretty malleable anyway |
| 23:37.57 | Monet | Science fiction is filled with scenarios of nations going "we fight or we die" |
| 23:37.59 | Wormy_ | Alternastives to stellar engines might be something like antimatter production. And guess where our biggest natural source locally is |
| 23:37.59 | DrodoEmpire | And probably isn't resembling much what they had in ST anyway |
| 23:39.10 | Wormy_ | If you want my hard sci-fi alternative, here it is, but I don't think it will be popular: |
| 23:40.30 | Wormy_ | Either FTL is possible, but our civilisation hasn't quite got the means to develop it. Or it's a relativistic civilisation. We would have to explore the logistics of managing a time delay of up to 15 years or so across an interstellar civilisation. Trade, communication etc. |
| 23:42.00 | Wormy_ | Or that our civilisation are also transapient cyborgs that have sped up their perception of time at Newtonian velocities |
| 23:42.20 | Wormy_ | That would close the timegap |
| 23:44.00 | Wormy_ | I think in any case, that might be too difficult for a roleplaying/world building project. |
| 23:44.28 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it seems like it'd slow things down a ton |
| 23:45.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, so this hinges a *lot* on what the tech is like of course but I had a few ideas of what warfare might be, or rather, might *not* be like |
| 23:45.51 | DrodoEmpire | I presume warfare may be somewhat smaller-scale- Though if we're building megastructures maybe not |
| 23:46.04 | Wormy_ | If the civilisation has very fast interstellar travel, it would only take slightly more than 15 years planet-time for ships to move from one corner to the other. That could be less in a time-sped up society |
| 23:46.12 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway with the smaller setting probably comes a much larger emphasis on planetside combat |
| 23:47.00 | DrodoEmpire | As well planetside combat would likely be more prolonged- Instead of playing out like a pitched battle over a field it could very easily be a whole operation in and of itself |
| 23:47.18 | DrodoEmpire | Taking days, or weeks |
| 23:47.49 | Wormy_ | Well, going back on Ghelae's idea. The megastructures would be a very rare thing after the catastrophe or war. Something would limit their development |
| 23:47.56 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, alright |
| 23:48.55 | Wormy_ | The other possibility is that our civilisation is hiding. |
| 23:49.48 | Wormy_ | Building a dyson bubble might be a very dangerous thing a few hundred or thousand years down the line |
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| 23:54.26 | infobot | wormy_ <02184654@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.24.70.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 4m 38s ago, saying: 'Building a dyson bubble might be a very dangerous thing a few hundred or thousand years down the line'. |
| 23:56.49 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, what sort of technology might be available in terms of weaponry? |
| 23:57.05 | Wormy__ | Monet: Not to worry, all these are just potential ideas based on questions like "How big should our region of space be?" = small "If its small how advanced or limited are they" = megastructures are surprisingly easy to build in a short span of time unless our civilisation is only just interstellar "Okay then, so there's a Fermi Paradox" |
| 23:58.52 | Wormy__ | Well, I think kinetic weapons would play a big part |
| 23:59.14 | Wormy__ | DrodoEmpire: This might be useful http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4b3bde6666f25 |
| 23:59.41 | DrodoEmpire | You'll probably kill me for saying this |
| 23:59.44 | DrodoEmpire | But ew OA |
