| 00:00.17 | Technobliterator | I could've been venting frustration on any number of topics, honestly. That people chose to get riled up by this one was just bad luck. |
| 00:02.43 | Technobliterator | Here's a topic I can vent my frustration about that no one will get riled up by: our infoboxes suck really bad |
| 00:03.11 | Wormy_ | Sometimes I find venting frustration only draws out people's own, and not always in agreement with mine. |
| 00:03.11 | Technobliterator | and I hate my past self |
| 00:03.15 | Technobliterator | for how badly they suck |
| 00:03.22 | OluapPlayer | Do something about it then, they're not gonna fix themselves |
| 00:03.34 | Technobliterator | I also hate my present self |
| 00:03.38 | Technobliterator | for lacking motivation to do that |
| 00:03.55 | Wormy_ | Hate isn't a good motivator. |
| 00:05.17 | Technobliterator | ok, one question |
| 00:05.28 | Technobliterator | would people genuinely miss the fiction stats if I removed those from the infoboxes? |
| 00:05.36 | DrodoEmpire | Not at all |
| 00:05.38 | OluapPlayer | No one uses them anymore |
| 00:05.44 | DrodoEmpire | I can't recall any time they were used. >.< |
| 00:05.45 | Technobliterator | do many pages even use them? |
| 00:07.02 | Technobliterator | well, if no one would mind |
| 00:07.03 | OluapPlayer | No |
| 00:07.13 | Monet | I think I have a couple, not that I'm updating them |
| 00:07.22 | Technobliterator | I could easily go and edit every infobox |
| 00:07.23 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 00:07.48 | Technobliterator | oh, I'm not sure we'd be able to keep the tiny miniportraits like they are, but that's the only thing |
| 00:15.27 | Wormy_ | I don't think I ever really liked the fiction stats, being about how linear they are. |
| 00:15.44 | Technobliterator | I think they were my idea |
| 00:15.48 | Technobliterator | and they never really caught on |
| 00:16.07 | Wormy_ | General statements about their strengths and weaknesses might be a better thing to add. |
| 00:16.47 | Monet | I think they may have been misused a little |
| 00:17.04 | Monet | I understood toughness to be natural armour, with 5 being the strength of chitin. |
| 00:17.38 | Monet | Then I kept seeing creatures or characters with a toughness rivalling high-grade steel. |
| 00:21.32 | Monet | For me at least, the stats became another chance to express humans are puny. |
| 00:22.47 | Technobliterator | yeah, there's a lot of that |
| 00:23.15 | Technobliterator | when you try and compare it to a human level so people understand it, it just ends up belittling humans |
| 00:24.57 | Wormy_ | There's quite a few ways humans are *not* puny, that the scale could never show |
| 00:25.20 | Wormy_ | And the thing about a scale of intelligence, I never really liked that. |
| 00:26.41 | Monet | Technobliterator: The principel is fine, the issue may be the perception. |
| 00:27.05 | Technobliterator | Well, my issue is less with the stats system |
| 00:27.12 | Wormy_ | There could certainly be differences in brain processing speed, level of consciousness or alien perception, but all sentiences would be on-par in terms of understanding things/ |
| 00:27.22 | Technobliterator | it's just that the stats system that currently exists is not one I can convert to portable infoboxes |
| 00:28.04 | Wormy_ | So its extra work (that isn't very popular) you don't want to work towards? |
| 00:28.10 | Wormy_ | Fair enough |
| 00:29.36 | Technobliterator | It's just not really feasible to get it to work and also allow sections to be collapsible - which I think is a bigger deal for people than the stats |
| 00:32.41 | Monet | I stand by my opinion that some stats like toughness may be overestimated |
| 00:33.17 | Wormy_ | Well of course, they allow one to add any numbers they like without explained justification |
| 00:33.40 | Wormy_ | I don't mind characters being as tough as teel if I can enjoy reading *why* they are. |
| 00:35.04 | Wormy_ | Its like the tier scale, it doesn't happen so much now, probably nobody understands my scale (:P), but everyone was trying to one up each other. |
| 00:35.12 | Wormy_ | Worst case was ship sizes |
| 00:36.19 | Technobliterator | One-upmanship has been very common, yes |
| 00:36.20 | Wormy_ | I once did a starship scale classification, and suddenly everybody was running around with ships bigger than solar systems. Diminishing the worth of large ships without having to be insane in scale. |
| 00:36.37 | The_Randomness | I remember that |
| 00:37.04 | Technobliterator | oh, I didn't notice Random was here |
| 00:37.04 | Technobliterator | hihi |
| 00:37.51 | Wormy_ | There is a way to use such massive scales and still seem believable or cool. Like the Xeelee ring which is 16 million light years in diameter and built from cosmic strings. |
| 00:37.51 | Monet | I wrote that empire-building guide because I figured "people want big numbers, okay, here's how you coudl get big numbers" |
| 00:38.36 | Wormy_ | But you see it took the Xeelee nearly the age of the universe to complete it |
| 00:38.59 | Wormy_ | And the setting had mystery and exotica that made it fit |
| 00:46.29 | Wormy_ | OOOH |
| 00:46.36 | Wormy_ | A NEW XEELEE NOVEL http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xeelee-Vengeance-Stephen-Baxter/dp/1473217172 |
| 00:47.27 | Wormy_ | Must involve the Anti-Xeelee |
| 00:55.59 | dino82_ | neat |
| 00:58.52 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 01:10.39 | Wormy_ | Monet: I'm in the train of thought that we could create a fiction, have it tucked away in the main fiction universe if need be. And when we find that works, we could move onto bigger things like new universes and timelines. |
| 01:11.45 | Monet | Yeah |
| 01:12.00 | Monet | So far the idea's being bogged down in the foundation of the setting |
| 01:12.37 | Monet | The top-down approach to worldbuilding can be quite cumebrsone |
| 01:13.20 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:14.10 | Wormy_ | Tbh, it was probably meant to be bottom up, "what physical laws are at work" etc. but its easy to get out of hand |
| 01:16.57 | Wormy_ | Monet: I'm curious as to why the Kraw are on declining relations with other Andromedans |
| 01:19.05 | Wormy_ | Well I've reached 30,000 edits |
| 01:19.30 | Monet | Two reasons |
| 01:19.56 | Wormy_ | Just sky of bring first to reach that milestone (as I was first to reach 10 and 20,000) I thought I was winning until Oluap Ninja'd me them I gave up |
| 01:20.03 | Wormy_ | *shy |
| 01:20.04 | Monet | First is there's still a bit of distrust after Tzhrhokia, second is the Kraw Empire is a protectorate of the Cyrannian Empire |
| 01:20.16 | Wormy_ | Ah |
| 01:20.20 | Wormy_ | Thaet makes sense |
| 01:20.42 | Wormy_ | I was wonder the false impression the Kraw were under a protectorate of the Draconis |
| 01:20.46 | Wormy_ | *under |
| 01:20.54 | Wormy_ | (getting late for me) |
| 01:21.19 | Monet | I think that's right but I can't remember if the protectorate status applied ot the entire federation |
| 01:21.37 | Monet | Though there is definitely a Kraw province in the DI, i nAndromeda |
| 01:21.43 | Wormy_ | I see |
| 01:23.02 | Technobliterator | I'm more surprised no one's retconned the Kraw out |
| 01:23.35 | Wormy_ | Would be too complicated. |
| 01:23.45 | Technobliterator | then just kill them |
| 01:23.47 | Technobliterator | \o/ |
| 01:24.01 | Wormy_ | The DCP did plenty of that >:) |
| 01:24.38 | Wormy_ | Actually, the Kraw galaxy still exists doesn't it? A big space no-one uses. |
| 01:24.44 | Monet | It does. |
| 01:25.06 | Wormy_ | I'm not suggesting we destroy it, but it could be made useful again by opening it up. |
| 01:26.25 | Monet | The last story done was the DI's secret war with the KrawFed |
| 01:26.48 | Wormy_ | And the DCP's surveillance program |
| 01:27.05 | Wormy_ | Actually, Trials of Kilnok part one as well |
| 01:29.58 | Technobliterator | I think we could destroy it |
| 01:30.14 | Technobliterator | It only existed because Irsk was stubborn and thought a galaxy only contained a few hundred thousand planets |
| 01:31.13 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 01:31.23 | Wormy_ | We could, though it would be at a time when users have started to hunger for a new galaxy. |
| 01:31.55 | Wormy_ | Hm, or maybe cut it off? |
| 01:32.11 | Wormy_ | I still fancy coordinating Uncharted Expanse when I have finished GXS |
| 01:32.56 | Wormy_ | My idea was that hyperspatial anomalies caused by truly alien life in hyperspace causes disruptions to hyperspatial technology and hyperdrives |
| 01:33.50 | Monet | Ultimate authority lies with Imperios |
| 01:33.57 | Wormy_ | The fiction would examine what would happen to the Gigaquadrant now largely dependant on such technology |
| 01:34.07 | Monet | He's the one Irskaad gave the galaxy to |
| 01:34.44 | Wormy_ | "No more Asgord" is how the section could be named hur |
| 01:36.13 | Technobliterator | there can only be one comic relief empire |
| 01:36.14 | Technobliterator | !!!! |
| 01:37.03 | Wormy_ | Loron kill Asgord? |
| 01:37.25 | Wormy_ | Actually, that could be something to do in Da Reckoning! |
| 01:37.48 | Wormy_ | Millions of Lezias charging to hug millions on Loron coming to kill. |
| 01:38.09 | Wormy_ | > Loron get hugged to death |
| 01:39.17 | Wormy_ | ugh my pages are awful |
| 01:39.28 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 01:39.29 | Technobliterator | I love it |
| 01:39.31 | Wormy_ | I really need to modernise them |
| 01:39.41 | Technobliterator | next Reckoning plot confirmed |
| 01:39.46 | Technobliterator | also, Wormy, I know the feeling |
| 01:39.50 | Technobliterator | I had to completely redo UNO's page |
| 01:39.57 | Technobliterator | I think it's finally in a good spot |
| 01:40.07 | Technobliterator | of course, I killed them off immediately after |
| 01:40.07 | Technobliterator | 8D |
| 01:40.09 | Wormy_ | Yep, one has to think of desiign ontop of a lot of info |
| 01:42.47 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/History/Development |
| 01:43.04 | Wormy_ | When this page is done I'm thinking of using tabbers |
| 01:43.20 | Wormy_ | But the new ones, not the horrible green ones |
| 01:43.29 | Wormy_ | I've used elsewhere |
| 02:01.01 | Wormy_ | SpaceX finally lands rocket on ocean barge, all automated |
| 02:01.03 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36002424 |
| 02:06.26 | Wormy_ | New Zealand students suffer neck cuts in Sweeney Todd show http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35983909 |
| 02:13.24 | Wormy_ | http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/04/north-koreans-escape-horrible-state-run-restaurant.html# |
| 02:17.09 | Wormy_ | " It was believed that a new branch was set to open in Scotland, in line with Kim Jong Un's interest in the country after its recent independence referendum, although this has been denied by North Korean officials" |
| 02:17.19 | Wormy_ | wtf |
| 02:18.15 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
| 02:20.34 | Wormy_ | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-un-set-open-new-4957996 |
| 02:23.46 | Wormy_ | don't think dog soup will go down ell in Scotland |
| 02:23.55 | Wormy_ | Haggis will |
| 02:39.25 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:40.16 | DrodoEmpire | Tek0516: What the hell... Maybe its the mod I'm using but when I raze a province as a steppe horde it *takes away* monarch points. o.O |
| 02:40.38 | DrodoEmpire | God why does every expansion and major patch break literally everything in the game |
| 02:41.05 | Tek0516 | :/ |
| 02:41.30 | Tek0516 | Oh yeah, update breaks my save too. |
| 02:42.03 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah and it sucks because razing shit is like my favorite activity as steppe hordes. Call me a sadist. >.< |
| 03:09.47 | Wormy_ | Delicious http://images.on-this.website/20396_16389402074e8b4a2baf300.jpg |
| 03:11.42 | DrodoEmpire | You can't eat land, Wormy_. |
| 03:11.48 | DrodoEmpire | pats him on the shoulder |
| 03:11.50 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry bud |
| 03:12.04 | Wormy_ | I don't have a shoulder |
| 03:12.14 | Wormy_ | My biology lets me eat land |
| 03:13.00 | Wormy_ | well fug its 4 in the morning, I better go |
| 03:13.07 | DrodoEmpire | doesn't pat Wormy_ because he's a slimy worm |
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| 12:56.38 | Wormy_ | Anarchist flags are being hoisted outside Parliament |
| 12:56.47 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbmWs6Jf5dc |
| 12:57.37 | Wormy_ | Oh its actually Cameremoron's residence |
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| 12:58.51 | Monet | Yes because clearly the best way to go is no regulation at all. |
| 12:58.53 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:59.22 | Liquid_Ink | No regulation at all is basically what corporatism aims for. |
| 12:59.29 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 13:00.34 | Wormy_ | Left leaning Anarchists are all about regulation, just not state regulation |
| 13:01.27 | Monet | So who regulates? |
| 13:02.12 | Wormy_ | Voluntary associations and workers unions |
| 13:03.11 | Wormy_ | I'm not defending anarchism, I have no idea if it works. *But*, its not what most people think it is |
| 13:17.52 | Monet | I can't think of any response |
| 13:18.53 | Monet | But if most people are misinformed, does that put the movement at risk? |
| 13:19.54 | Wormy_ | Possibly, though anarchism itself as plethora of ideologies and groups. Its hard to say what is what |
| 13:20.04 | Wormy_ | There are even anarcho-capitalists, which certainly don't want regulation |
| 13:21.00 | Wormy_ | What I'm angry about, is two things: How politicians are getting away with avoiding tax when everybody else feels the full force of the law, they are also rich anyway. And secondly, the BBC isn't reporting these protests in London at all |
| 13:21.25 | Wormy_ | Here's a live stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKYFzmbjVl4 |
| 13:24.13 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.07 | Wormy_ | They certainly don't deserve our respect if there are unfair inequalities, its not like they respect us. |
| 13:25.18 | ImpyDroid | Cooperatives are best |
| 13:25.27 | ImpyDroid | We should have more of them |
| 13:25.54 | Monet | The rich accumulate money for the same reason ordinary people want cool jobs or celebrity status - recognition. |
| 13:26.56 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.07 | ImpyDroid | I hate how the rich in my country flaunt their wealth |
| 13:27.58 | ImpyDroid | Thing is they lose more than they earn with these yachts and all |
| 13:28.29 | ImpyDroid | Their status needs no further affirmation, so it is not like they do it for prestige |
| 13:28.39 | Wormy_ | I'm not necessarily against there being a wealthy class, however, its disgusting that they will do criminal things to stay wealthy |
| 13:29.10 | Wormy_ | Our government is supposed top be protecting us, not only from tax avoiding scumbags, but also tax avoiding international companies |
| 13:29.26 | ImpyDroid | The worst thing about wealth is that it tends to stagnate |
| 13:29.37 | Wormy_ | And when they do it themselves, and get away with it, its understandable that people get angry |
| 13:29.46 | Monet | Yeah well the current social situation doesn't help. |
| 13:30.10 | ImpyDroid | As in, the wealthy class tends to enclose itself and eventually degenerate into something completely useless, as it has happened many times in history |
| 13:30.31 | ImpyDroid | Total equality is completely impossible, of course, what we need is equality of opportunity |
| 13:30.49 | AdmiralPanda | I don't mind people being rich because most of them have either earned it, or it's family money and they're about to blow it all and reset the equilibrium, my problem is when their wealth effects those without it |
| 13:31.09 | ImpyDroid | That too |
| 13:31.39 | Monet | What about family money that they can maintain? |
| 13:32.20 | AdmiralPanda | if they can maintain it they're doing something right, so that counts as earning it in my book |
| 13:32.28 | AdmiralPanda | at a certain point it just becomes their money |
| 13:32.29 | ImpyDroid | As long as they have talent to do so |
| 13:32.44 | ImpyDroid | Which if they maintain it they have |
| 13:32.54 | ImpyDroid | maintain their wealth that is |
| 13:33.03 | AdmiralPanda | ImpyDroid: Again, like I said- they've either earned their money or they just have it because their family is rich, and they're about to blow it- maintaining a high-expense lifestyle is hard |
| 13:33.11 | ImpyDroid | True |
| 13:33.35 | AdmiralPanda | unfortunately in Australia we've had several largely publicised events of rich people blowing it so hard it brings down hundreds of poor people as well |
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| 13:34.30 | AdmiralPanda | it's one thing when Kanye reveals he's millions in debt, it's another thing when Palmer fucked up so royally that hundreds of mining families have been laid off with no guarantee they're even going to be fully compensated for their work |
| 13:34.40 | Wormy_ | I have more respect, myself, for rich people who made it. And in return use their money for innovating society. |
| 13:34.48 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
| 13:34.55 | Wormy_ | Like Richard Branson |
| 13:35.09 | AdmiralPanda | that's the thing, people who've become rich off their own effort have my sincere respect - I actually met Branson in person |
| 13:35.24 | AdmiralPanda | and people who've started with wealth and made something of it too |
| 13:35.41 | Wormy_ | Most of my family is working class and not very well off, but I have one uncle who is very rich because he made it in the computer industry as it took off |
| 13:36.42 | AdmiralPanda | my family isn't exactly rich but we're quite well off, mostly because my parents are shrewd with their money |
| 13:37.11 | Monet | My understanding is that both sides of the wealth gap are at fault for the current situation - the rich have no way to falunt success other than biger numebrs, and the less wealthy majority prefer to put them down or shame them over encouraging them to actually do something with your riches |
| 13:38.18 | Monet | People like RIchard Branson demonstrate that not everyone with a seven-figure bank account couldn't give a toss over the lives of others. |
| 13:38.30 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
| 13:38.51 | Wormy_ | The thing is, the many of our MPs are sadly not Richard Bransons |
| 13:39.00 | AdmiralPanda | none of our MPs are |
| 13:39.21 | Monet | And increasing the tax burden on the rich is only going to make them take their riches and assets and finda new life abroad. |
| 13:39.22 | Wormy_ | Probably none of ours |
| 13:39.47 | AdmiralPanda | our current generation of politicians are all bookworms who've been in the political system all their working lives, and they all just see the next rung in the ladder as a promotion rather than a responsibility |
| 13:40.18 | Wormy_ | What these protests in London are about now is not taxing the wealthy, though many might believe that. But they are protesting against politicians avoiding it. |
| 13:40.49 | Wormy_ | That's the elitism that needs to change |
| 13:42.14 | Monet | But is engaging in the tall poppy response the best solution? |
| 13:43.31 | ImpyDroid | It is not |
| 13:43.40 | ImpyDroid | Because otherwise you will become us |
| 13:44.01 | Wormy_ | Well if it makes MPs think twice about using tax havens that hobble the growth of our country, then its something positive. |
| 13:44.51 | Technobliterator | I don't think anyone's even calling for an increase on taxes for the wealthy. They're just calling for them to stop dodging taxes and pay up like literally everyone else. |
| 13:46.20 | ImpyDroid | Pretty muchb |
| 13:46.35 | Wormy_ | And if they don't clean up their act, they shouldn't expect our respect. |
| 13:46.52 | Monet | But that's a global effort really |
| 13:46.54 | Wormy_ | Not that I think they do. They don't giver a crap what we think |
| 13:47.22 | Monet | We can either encourage them to think differently, or they will find another haven |
| 13:48.00 | Technobliterator | Like, if you look at this - https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/ - all Bernie Sanders is basically saying is if you close the loopholes, and if you give the rich people the same taxes that poor people get, then we'll easily be able to afford this stuff |
| 13:49.44 | Monet | The UK has a corporation tax rate of 20%, the US 35%, but Ireland 12.5%. And peopel are shocked that campanies like McDonalds or Google set u pregional HQs in Ireland. |
| 13:50.31 | Technobliterator | Are they? I'm not |
| 13:51.18 | Monet | No because you have zero faith in anyone with a salary higher than £50,000/year |
| 13:51.35 | Technobliterator | That's not true at all. |
| 13:51.46 | Technobliterator | And thank you for the ad hominem remark. |
| 13:52.19 | ImpyDroid | As a side note, apparently Putin is forming a national guard and trains it to aid the OMON to quell riots |
| 13:52.21 | Technobliterator | I have zero faith in anyone whose salaray amounts to absurd amounts that abuses their wealth and is responsible for the corrupt system we currently have |
| 13:52.31 | ImpyDroid | FFFFFFUUUUCJ |
| 13:52.35 | ImpyDroid | *FFFFFUUUUCK |
| 13:52.40 | ImpyDroid | We just went full Reich |
| 13:52.42 | ImpyDroid | Excellent |
| 13:52.55 | Technobliterator | Like, Bill Gates is a rich guy, but he spends so much of his money on charity that it's really hard to be mad at him |
| 13:53.56 | Technobliterator | Larry Page? Never done anything of the sort, has been responsible for buying off politicians through what is essentially legalised bribery, it's not exactly easy to feel sorry for him |
| 13:54.09 | Technobliterator | if he has to cough up and pay his fair share like everyone else |
| 13:54.37 | Technobliterator | when he already has more than enough and is not exactly choosing between paying rent and eating |
| 13:55.48 | Monet | Yeah I was a little aggressive just then. |
| 13:56.09 | Technobliterator | dw |
| 13:56.19 | Technobliterator | I've been guilty of it before |
| 13:56.33 | Wormy_ | I understand your anger, at the leftist response. It often does harbour irrational and reactionary ideology |
| 13:56.59 | Wormy_ | *However*, you've got to think about the context and what they are actually protesting for |
| 13:58.20 | Wormy_ | Otherwise its like how all progressives get seen as SJWs |
| 13:58.42 | Wormy_ | And anger at SJWs gets directed at the general form of progressive |
| 13:59.00 | Wormy_ | I admit, I was falling down that path |
| 13:59.31 | Monet | I just think this "us vs them" mentality is utterly toxic. |
| 13:59.49 | Wormy_ | I expect that crowd protesting in London probably come from a diverse set of voter |
| 14:02.00 | Wormy_ | And actually, that protest is very middle class and tame as fa\r as protests go |
| 14:02.14 | Wormy_ | Compared to the Poll Tax riots |
| 14:03.07 | Wormy_ | Many are probably quite well off in that crowd and will go to Starbucks afterwards |
| 14:03.15 | Wormy_ | But that's beside the point |
| 14:03.28 | Wormy_ | Tax avoidance clearly pisses off nearly everyone |
| 14:03.37 | ImpyDroid | As annoying as SJWs are, they are harmless most of the time |
| 14:03.40 | Technobliterator | Well, the "us vs them" mentality exists for a reason. It's not like you're going to get anyone to listen to you if you're nice about asking people to just, y'know, pay their fair share |
| 14:03.43 | ImpyDroid | At the very best they are doxxers |
| 14:03.52 | ImpyDroid | The radical right is much, much worse |
| 14:03.55 | ImpyDroid | *very worst |
| 14:04.13 | Monet | Lately I've come to see flaws in the people chanting "we are the 99%" as that 1% isn't just bankers, insurors or politicians. It's also doctors, theapists, private sector scientists, top-earning engineers and architects. |
| 14:05.13 | Monet | But I guess "we are the 99.9" isn't as catchy. |
| 14:05.16 | Wormy_ | But not all doctors and scientists get to that 1% |
| 14:05.34 | Monet | Wormy: Private doctors can |
| 14:05.42 | Wormy_ | Most nursing jobs are close to the minimum wage |
| 14:05.45 | Technobliterator | Like, you could probably tax these people at 90% of their income, and they'd still have more than enough to pay rent in some expensive house, by a luxury sports car, and feed their family that month, when there are plenty of people who can't afford both a place to live and food for that month |
| 14:05.56 | Monet | Yeahno. |
| 14:06.16 | Technobliterator | Well, we're top 10%, I don't know if I'd call us top 1% |
| 14:06.22 | Monet | Those country manors are horrendously costly. |
| 14:06.57 | Monet | Many of them have been opened up to tourists to pay the bills. |
| 14:07.28 | Wormy_ | Monet has a point there, being rich doesn't mean not having money woes |
| 14:08.24 | Wormy_ | But, there is a poor lower class that is struggling to pay for their food and bills |
| 14:08.24 | Technobliterator | It depends on how much |
| 14:08.52 | Monet | But I suppose what you're saying might be true if the 1% were resigned to live with the expenditures the rest of us. |
| 14:09.19 | Wormy_ | If they engage in tax avoidance, they feel the full force of the law. Will these MPs feel that? I'm doubtful Cameron will even resign |
| 14:09.39 | Technobliterator | I mean, he shouldn't even be given the chance to resign, he should just be sacked and jailed |
| 14:09.51 | Technobliterator | but sadly, the law is never applied equally |
| 14:10.33 | Wormy_ | And it is getting harder for poor people in the UK |
| 14:11.28 | Monet | As I tried last night, this idea of "throw every offender in jail" has its downsides. |
| 14:11.46 | Monet | The sentence of community service has its ethical reasons |
| 14:12.36 | Monet | One thing that can happen, especially i nthe current system is say someone was arrested and give na 10-year prison sentence in 2005 |
| 14:13.26 | Monet | The prisoner leaving in 2015, unless handled correctly, will feel like they jsut stepped though a time machine. |
| 14:14.27 | Monet | And some re-offend because they freak out and prison is more familiar environment than the outside. |
| 14:16.07 | Wormy_ | I dunno our prisons are pretty lax. They get Sky TV and the latest XBox games in their prison cells |
| 14:17.37 | Monet | I think it's more of a concern i nthe US. There was an episode of My Name Is Earl that looked at this phenomenon |
| 14:21.08 | Monet | In 2007 the Telegraph looked into the cost of maintaining Winslow Hall, est. £3 million |
| 14:22.17 | Monet | One estate agent estimated that (might be because it's a listed building) the cost to support it would clock in at a minimum of... |
| 14:22.54 | Monet | £600,000/year. |
| 14:24.28 | Monet | "A conservative estimate of the annual cost of maintaining an historic house is 2 per cent of its value," - George Burnard of Strutt & Parker 2007 |
| 14:25.26 | Technobliterator | I don't think you're obligated to live in places you can't afford |
| 14:26.06 | Wormy_ | Meanwhile in France https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7C1c7rJW54 |
| 14:26.29 | Monet | There's a long list of British gentry who are struggling to pay their mansion bills. |
| 14:28.05 | Monet | But it's not so simple. |
| 14:28.52 | Monet | You're saying that people are not obligated to live in places they can't afford. What if they never bought these houses in the first place? |
| 14:29.12 | Technobliterator | The only problem with that statement is "mansion" bills. If any ordinary person is struggling to pay their bulls for a basic apartment, they'll get evicted. They don't exactly have the choice to open it up to tourism. |
| 14:30.02 | Technobliterator | It's kind of hard to feel sorry for them if they're living in a luxury house and might have to downgrade to just a big house |
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| 14:30.51 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:30.58 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:31.11 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 14:31.19 | Technobliterator | oh god, gym might shut soon |
| 14:31.19 | Technobliterator | bbl |
| 14:31.21 | Monet | For gentry they, maybe their parents or grandparents might have grown up in these big houses |
| 14:32.32 | Wormy_ | The thing is, they enough money still to recover, and if they have to sell their home or turn it into a tourist hotel, they can move somewhere more affordable. Not so easy if you don't have those opportunities. |
| 14:32.58 | Monet | It might eb relative. |
| 14:33.39 | Wormy_ | Being tourists spots isn't so bad anyway |
| 14:33.49 | Wormy_ | for the local economy |
| 14:34.01 | Monet | Even if it is a gigantic tract mansion, the psychological effect of having to move to a smaller house is still an issue. |
| 14:34.22 | Wormy_ | Chatsworth House contributes to the millions of tourists that visit Derbyshire |
| 14:35.43 | Wormy_ | It has huge gardens filled with sculptures which the owners sell |
| 14:38.30 | Monet | Even if the house is far bigger than something most of us will ever own, having to sell it to live in "just a big house" is still demoralising. |
| 14:38.41 | Wormy_ | The Duke of Devonshire waved to me from his window, its true |
| 14:39.05 | Wormy_ | He might have been waving me out of the way for spoiling his view |
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| 14:40.03 | Monet | Depends on how he waved to you. |
| 14:41.06 | Monet | Maybe a better way to examine the effect is, and I know I do this constantly, is to look bac kto America, owners of the largest average house size. |
| 14:42.25 | Wormy_ | everything's big in murica |
| 14:43.04 | Monet | With houses like this https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4012/5148645274_71869ac1a9_b.jpg, What would Americans think of our tiny 6m wide terraces? |
| 14:43.44 | Wormy_ | Well, I wouldn't know what to do with a house of that size |
| 14:44.21 | Monet | That's the thing though. |
| 14:44.23 | Wormy_ | Maybe ours have more character |
| 14:45.28 | Monet | At the moment talking of "Oh I'm sure they'll manage because we do" disregards that people might have different opinions of an ideal house size for them |
| 14:47.43 | Monet | There's a psychological phenomenon that a house can feel 'just right' by one person, and 'too big' by another. it can happen when an inner-city resident moves from an inner-city apartment to the suburbs |
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| 14:52.27 | Wormy_ | I need to be getting on with my day |
| 14:52.41 | Monet | Apologies |
| 14:52.47 | Wormy_away | no problem |
| 14:53.19 | Wormy_away | Its just 4 in the afternoon, I got up at 1 and rthe only thing I've done is have breakfast |
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| 15:24.12 | Wormy_away | http://phys.org/news/2016-04-nasa-global-earth.html |
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| 15:28.19 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: Colin Furze to make a fkying machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQxPGOnwBGs |
| 15:28.28 | Wormy_away | Flying |
| 15:41.30 | Wormy_away | Imperios: http://imgur.com/gallery/gMSJb |
| 15:42.04 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrU9YDoXE88 New Vsauce |
| 15:42.15 | Wormy_away | Yay! |
| 15:42.24 | Wormy_away | Been a long time |
| 15:43.51 | Imperios | Wormy_away: It was actually a thing in Stalinist USSR |
| 15:43.55 | Imperios | Sort of |
| 15:44.17 | Wormy_away | I'm now looking where to get it online |
| 15:44.35 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Coke |
| 15:44.37 | Imperios | There |
| 15:45.21 | Imperios | Strangely enough, the actual classic Soviet-style lemonade was not red or vodka-like colourless, but dark green |
| 15:45.46 | Wormy_away | Sold out on Amazon :( |
| 15:46.03 | Wormy_away | interesting |
| 15:48.42 | Wormy_away | Imperios: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-un-set-open-new-4957996#ICID=sharebar_facebook |
| 15:48.46 | Wormy_away | Also I found this |
| 15:51.29 | Imperios | Wormy_away: What kind of stuff are they going to sell there tho |
| 15:53.20 | Wormy_away | It will have to be haggis soup |
| 16:02.53 | Wormy_away | Animals without necks http://imgur.com/gallery/TZafy |
| 16:07.24 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/9XxjKea |
| 16:08.17 | Wormy_away | I hasve some of these http://imgur.com/a/AKrJY |
| 16:50.22 | Hachiman | Ngh I have to go shopping |
| 16:50.29 | Hachiman | I feel so hungry and forgot to buy food |
| 16:52.28 | OluapPlayer | dum |
| 17:12.02 | Charles_Murray | Wormy_away I see no difference in the corgies |
| 17:15.28 | Wormy_away | lol |
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| 17:36.46 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 17:42.05 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/cb/Acvartis_Temple.png/revision/latest?cb=20160409174131 Radeon church on Alcanti |
| 17:43.01 | OluapPlayer | >llamas |
| 17:47.56 | Imperios | They looked good hur |
| 17:48.00 | Imperios | For a church |
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| 18:27.54 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 18:28.00 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 18:47.53 | MonetSemi | Hi |
| 18:48.02 | MonetSemi | So I just passed mission 31 of MGSV |
| 18:48.34 | MonetSemi | I like how the whole thing felt like a TV show |
| 19:10.17 | AdmiralPanda | so, current status on fallout 4 post-Automatron DLC: Fort Independence is now protected by no less than two fully armed Sentry Bots, and the gardens are tended by Mr. Handy's |
| 19:10.28 | AdmiralPanda | I never thought I'd care so much about finding piles of tires |
| 19:13.08 | Tek0516 | Lol |
| 19:13.56 | AdmiralPanda | and I do a lot more business with the doctor in Diamond City, because apparently he just has truckloads of tires lying around |
| 19:16.36 | AdmiralPanda | so yeah, I live in a wasteland where the local doctor has a near limitless supply of purified bottled water, and is probably laughing his way to the bank because he somehow has access to large reserves of rubber |
| 19:18.36 | AdmiralPanda | actually that's a really meta note, the reason bottlecaps are used as currency in the wasteland is because they represent a bottle of water |
| 19:18.45 | AdmiralPanda | I don't trade in representations of water, I trade in actual fucking water |
| 19:19.08 | The_Randomness | You're too good for bottlecaps then |
| 19:19.48 | AdmiralPanda | clearly |
| 19:20.20 | AdmiralPanda | and this is the lady who wears scrapped robot parts for armour/clothing and wears way too much black eye shadow |
| 19:20.26 | AdmiralPanda | richest person in the commonwealth |
| 19:22.26 | AdmiralPanda | I also don't actually own Fort Independence as part of the Minutemen, I just own it because I took it over by force of robot |
| 19:26.01 | Technobliterator | How are you finding the DLC overall? |
| 19:26.21 | AdmiralPanda | perfecto |
| 19:26.32 | Technobliterator | This is good |
| 19:26.47 | AdmiralPanda | there is exactly one thing which disappoints me, but it is a minor gripe |
| 19:26.54 | AdmiralPanda | and that is that you can't have an eyebot companion |
| 19:27.08 | AdmiralPanda | however, the fucking assaultron kill animations are GLORIOUS |
| 19:28.14 | AdmiralPanda | not going to lie, I got a little too excited when my flying assaultron assassin slashed apart eight ghouls with a single two-bladed sweep when we were clearing out Jamaica Plains |
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| 19:28.56 | AdmiralPanda | they actually added a good number of extra weapons, and the return of the robobrain was nice |
| 19:29.10 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 19:29.25 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 19:31.01 | AdmiralPanda | oh, and you can give sentry bots hallucigen gas grenade launchers |
| 19:31.38 | Tek0516 | :/ My final exams start on Monday |
| 19:34.19 | The_Randomness | Good luck with those |
| 19:36.25 | Technobliterator | Best of luck :o |
| 19:36.49 | AdmiralPanda | Technobliterator: anything specific you want to know? |
| 19:39.25 | Technobliterator | I was wondering if you could get those weapons, like, as soon as you download the DLC? or do you have to get a certain number of levels first |
| 19:39.45 | Technobliterator | I've sort of ran out of games to play, and have been considering giving FO4 another chance |
| 19:40.57 | AdmiralPanda | bot parts get unlocked as you play through, though the new shiny character weapons (namely the tesla rifle, assaultron head and the two melee weapons) are given to you pretty early |
| 19:41.19 | AdmiralPanda | and the tesla rifle btw is fucking magestic |
| 19:42.35 | AdmiralPanda | the particularly good stuff is behind a perk wall as well (naturally), but for the most part the average character would have those perks anyway |
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| 19:46.23 | AdmiralPanda | without spoiling anything, the story is actually quite good given this is the short expansion |
| 19:49.04 | AdmiralPanda | gives you enough to figure out what's going on right from the start, then when you get to a place and start reading some things everything clicks |
| 19:49.30 | AdmiralPanda | I mean you've been told what's going on before you get to that place, but it's when you get there that everything really makes sense |
| 19:56.52 | The_Randomness | That's cool, am I also correct in saying that robots make everything better? |
| 19:59.05 | AdmiralPanda | robots make EVERYTHING better |
| 19:59.33 | AdmiralPanda | like, you can actually have a companion that kills shit rather than one who just looks pretty and makes sarcastic comments about everything |
| 19:59.41 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:01.02 | AdmiralPanda | though the robots don't look cute in a bowler hat, so Cait still has a place thankfully |
| 20:01.45 | The_Randomness | Panda, did I ever tell you I got into a static a few weeks ago? |
| 20:01.54 | AdmiralPanda | you poor, poor person |
| 20:01.58 | AdmiralPanda | I should have saved you while I had the chance |
| 20:02.03 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:02.38 | AdmiralPanda | I'm sorry but as much as I understand why raiders raid, I'm just never going to like raiding for the sake of raiding |
| 20:02.47 | AdmiralPanda | I'm just too much a roleplayer |
| 20:03.39 | The_Randomness | That's understandable, I'm personally finding the experience of progressing through raids fun |
| 20:03.57 | AdmiralPanda | speaking of which, once online transfers become a thing with my new bank account I get to RP as Rex in a clone wars server |
| 20:04.07 | AdmiralPanda | star wars that is, for people who didn't guess |
| 20:04.29 | The_Randomness | We cleared this fight on Thursday after spending about a week and a half or two weeks on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zqh_OEybOI |
| 20:05.05 | AdmiralPanda | is that actually your group? |
| 20:05.17 | The_Randomness | no |
| 20:06.01 | The_Randomness | Our mt actually records our raids, but he didn't on Thursday since he wasn't expecting us to clear (we had to get a bard sub since we lost ours recently) |
| 20:06.04 | AdmiralPanda | I see, well yeah like I said, I get why raiders raid, I'm just more an open world pvp/roleplaying kind of guy |
| 20:06.41 | AdmiralPanda | maybe one day there will be an MMO that multiple of us like and play, that we can make a guild on |
| 20:06.53 | AdmiralPanda | and you will come to know how much of a bastard I am when giving orders |
| 20:06.56 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:07.49 | AdmiralPanda | *shurgs* it's not my fault people don't listen until they're dead |
| 20:24.05 | AdmiralPanda | oh, and there is one other significant thing |
| 20:24.21 | AdmiralPanda | there needs to be a game we can play so I can wear the brightest candy pink possible and embarrass you all in public |
| 20:24.29 | The_Randomness | lmao |
| 20:24.50 | Imperios | OluapPlayer MonetSemi: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Pan-Andromedan_Ecumene#Andromedan_Exceptionalism Have four paragraphs full of Andromedan /pol/ |
| 20:24.55 | AdmiralPanda | OH OH OH have you seen the Taric VU? |
| 20:24.59 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 20:25.03 | AdmiralPanda | GEMS |
| 20:25.04 | The_Randomness | It was glorious |
| 20:25.06 | OluapPlayer | That's not a good thing |
| 20:25.13 | AdmiralPanda | god I can't wait |
| 20:25.17 | AdmiralPanda | Taric Top Baby |
| 20:25.23 | AdmiralPanda | #nottalkingaboutlane |
| 20:25.35 | AdmiralPanda | kill me for using a hashtag, but you get the point |
| 20:26.27 | The_Randomness | I can't wait until after finals are done in May so then I can actually have enough time to play League consistently again |
| 20:27.18 | AdmiralPanda | taric top honestly has a pretty significant amount of potential depending on his mana costs |
| 20:27.40 | The_Randomness | yeah, I was watching this one guy stream playing it top in the PBE |
| 20:27.42 | AdmiralPanda | even if you don't have an ally nearby his W still gives him a shield and procs his passive |
| 20:28.04 | The_Randomness | You pretty much turn into a raid boss if you get fed |
| 20:28.10 | Imperios | Once MonetSemi finishes the last section, we will have one full page |
| 20:28.13 | Imperios | EXCELLENT |
| 20:28.21 | Imperios | PAGE FINISHED |
| 20:28.26 | AdmiralPanda | I managed to get a pentakill on Sion |
| 20:28.30 | The_Randomness | nice |
| 20:28.39 | AdmiralPanda | I kinda felt like a raid boss, Iron potion and Sterak's :P |
| 20:28.47 | Imperios | Is pentakill like rampage |
| 20:28.50 | Technobliterator | this expansions sounds pretty fun |
| 20:28.51 | Imperios | or somethhing |
| 20:28.51 | Technobliterator | </late\> |
| 20:29.03 | Imperios | What are you referring to |
| 20:29.08 | The_Randomness | What's a rampage in DotA? |
| 20:29.39 | Imperios | When you kill five people in a row |
| 20:29.48 | Imperios | As in the whole enemy team |
| 20:29.50 | The_Randomness | yeah, that's a penta |
| 20:29.52 | AdmiralPanda | pentakill is when you kill five people within a set period of time |
| 20:30.07 | Imperios | A set period of time as in how much |
| 20:30.15 | Imperios | Like a few minutes or so or a short period |
| 20:30.19 | Imperios | Like one battle or so |
| 20:30.23 | The_Randomness | a short period |
| 20:30.25 | AdmiralPanda | I believe it's like five seconds between kills |
| 20:30.42 | Imperios | Right so rampage |
| 20:30.47 | AdmiralPanda | cumulative, so if you pick up several in a short period of time you have longer for the last |
| 20:30.52 | OluapPlayer | Rampage = you wipe the whole enemy team out |
| 20:30.54 | The_Randomness | I almost got a penta once as Cho'Gath, but then my friend got the last kill with an auto accidentally |
| 20:30.57 | OluapPlayer | By yourself |
| 20:31.20 | AdmiralPanda | it was an assisted penta, but I did it with fucking Sion and I wasn't even building that much damage |
| 20:31.38 | AdmiralPanda | I had titanic but that was about it |
| 20:32.00 | Imperios | Ah so you can have a rampage with assists |
| 20:32.02 | The_Randomness | yeah, Sion isn't the sort of champion you'd expect to see a penta out of |
| 20:32.12 | Imperios | In Dota you have to personally deliver every killing blow |
| 20:32.19 | Technobliterator | Wow, I legit haven't played Dota in months |
| 20:32.20 | Technobliterator | wtf |
| 20:32.21 | The_Randomness | It's the same way in League |
| 20:32.24 | Imperios | Ah |
| 20:32.40 | AdmiralPanda | yeah you have to get all five kills, but people can contribute to those kills |
| 20:32.41 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Congratulations, you're freed from your addiction |
| 20:32.50 | Technobliterator | well |
| 20:32.53 | OluapPlayer | I've not played Dota for so long, Steam no longer lists my last played date |
| 20:32.54 | Technobliterator | my new addiction is the gym |
| 20:32.59 | AdmiralPanda | had to lane against a tank Ekko |
| 20:33.03 | AdmiralPanda | wasn't fun |
| 20:33.07 | Imperios | Techno/fit/erator |
| 20:33.23 | Imperios | At least score some boys if you're improving your body |
| 20:33.28 | Technobliterator | I kinda got bored of Dota 2 |
| 20:33.33 | Technobliterator | the community is cancer |
| 20:33.34 | Imperios | I mean in my case it kind of helped, if only slightly |
| 20:33.35 | AdmiralPanda | or some girls, then send pics |
| 20:33.38 | Imperios | ^ |
| 20:33.39 | Imperios | ^^ |
| 20:33.40 | Imperios | ^^^ |
| 20:33.40 | Technobliterator | so the games were not fun |
| 20:33.45 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 20:34.02 | Imperios | Hey I would love to kiss boys and send you pics in return but you know I do not want to anger almighty Putin |
| 20:34.02 | AdmiralPanda | I think Imperios is actually being serious, sadly |
| 20:34.14 | Imperios | No, I am kidding hur |
| 20:34.15 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: Tank Ekko looks a little silly right now, yeah |
| 20:34.22 | Imperios | About girls that is |
| 20:34.38 | OluapPlayer | So you're serious about kissing boys |
| 20:34.41 | OluapPlayer | haw |
| 20:34.48 | AdmiralPanda | The_Randomness: it's a shame that champs like Ekko, Akali and Kha'Zix are finding most of their play building tank these days |
| 20:35.13 | The_Randomness | eh, I wouldn't really say that about Kha'zix |
| 20:35.37 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: >implyng you do not have a bunny husbando |
| 20:35.41 | The_Randomness | He builds more of a bruisery style like Graves jungle does iirc |
| 20:35.49 | OluapPlayer | Bunny is my waifu, not husbando |
| 20:35.53 | AdmiralPanda | well yeah, but that's not assassin |
| 20:36.19 | AdmiralPanda | it's post release-nerf Kha all over again |
| 20:36.29 | The_Randomness | I guess, but he still plays that way for the most part |
| 20:36.43 | AdmiralPanda | so do tank ekko and tank akali |
| 20:36.57 | The_Randomness | yeah, you're right |
| 20:37.06 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e6/PAE_Gladiators.png/revision/latest?cb=20160409102723 BTW AdmiralPanda did I make that guy's stance even remotely realistic |
| 20:37.13 | Imperios | In terms of fencing |
| 20:37.36 | AdmiralPanda | honestly, image is such that I can't really tell |
| 20:37.52 | AdmiralPanda | due to the lighting I can't really see their stances at all |
| 20:38.16 | Imperios | ok |
| 20:38.31 | Imperios | Is the image good btw |
| 20:38.42 | MonetSemi | Imperios: If you still have the models you could take a less high-contrast image |
| 20:39.03 | AdmiralPanda | The_Randomness: one champ I'm glad to see back is Nocturne |
| 20:40.46 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I've been seeing him a little bit on Sneaky's stream and stuff |
| 20:40.59 | AdmiralPanda | I'm saving up IP to buy him |
| 20:41.07 | AdmiralPanda | take him top lane and make bitches cry |
| 20:41.29 | AdmiralPanda | recently spent 5k IP on armour runes because GEMS |
| 20:41.50 | The_Randomness | Midlane roams with him are probably pretty easy because ult |
| 20:42.02 | AdmiralPanda | oh on that note, my friend figured out a build path for Taric that involves buying 6 crystals as his first items |
| 20:42.04 | The_Randomness | Did you get armor quints or something? |
| 20:42.07 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:42.25 | AdmiralPanda | armour reds and quints, yeah :P |
| 20:42.32 | The_Randomness | oh yeah, those are solid |
| 20:42.40 | AdmiralPanda | my taric rune page is 30 armour flat, 27 MR at 18 |
| 20:42.51 | The_Randomness | jeez |
| 20:43.14 | AdmiralPanda | 200 armour with just frozen heart is tasty :) |
| 20:43.20 | The_Randomness | I probably would've gone armor quints/reds, hp/level yellows, and then scaling mr or cdr blues |
| 20:43.24 | The_Randomness | that's spicy |
| 20:43.39 | The_Randomness | er, cdr/level |
| 20:44.25 | AdmiralPanda | CDR/level is pointless because you hit 40% easily with items, the HP is tempting but the early trade damage is delicious |
| 20:44.31 | AdmiralPanda | you could feed a family of four with those passive autos |
| 20:45.22 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I suppose you're right with the cdr runes. What's your build order for this? |
| 20:46.29 | AdmiralPanda | my serious build path is relic-3pot-trinket, get brace, sightstone and boots asap, then frozen heart, finish Face, tank/utility items as required from there |
| 20:46.52 | The_Randomness | Oh, I was thinking about top |
| 20:47.42 | The_Randomness | Yeah, that would probably be a decent setup for support, maybe switch out armor yellows for flat health yellows to make all that armor more efficient |
| 20:48.16 | AdmiralPanda | top you go frozen heart or fist depending on whether you''re playing aggro or passive, sunfire cape, then whatever to taste really |
| 20:48.33 | AdmiralPanda | fist for aggro, heart for passive naturally |
| 20:49.27 | The_Randomness | ibg is probably better in most cases, but that sounds right |
| 20:49.38 | The_Randomness | probably ibg -> sunfire -> spirit visage |
| 20:49.52 | The_Randomness | although frozen is more armor |
| 20:50.09 | AdmiralPanda | yeah, you basically only get frozen if you're planning to play super passive, like if it's a jugger'maw |
| 20:50.35 | AdmiralPanda | but it's still important to note that you basically get one or the other |
| 20:50.42 | The_Randomness | yeah, definitely |
| 20:52.10 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah nocturne top will be tasty |
| 20:52.19 | AdmiralPanda | similar effect to talon mid, just more evil |
| 20:53.31 | AdmiralPanda | it's kinda scary how you just need youmuu's to go off like mad |
| 20:54.38 | The_Randomness | oh gosh, you just made me recall when Talon had his silence |
| 20:55.16 | AdmiralPanda | youmuu's early, then you get phantom dancer, then transition into deadman's, sterak's and maw |
| 20:55.37 | AdmiralPanda | because you don't want to have friends, you just want to eat people |
| 20:56.00 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:56.17 | The_Randomness | You want to be a literal nightmare for squishies |
| 21:17.08 | Wormy_ | There is little better than the feeling of a comb passed through one's beard. |
| 21:17.29 | Charles_Murray | test |
| 21:17.53 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Seen the recent addition to the PAE page? |
| 21:18.00 | Charles_Murray | I haven't, link? |
| 21:18.26 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Pan-Andromedan_Ecumene Relationships and society |
| 21:18.31 | Imperios | Does all of that fly with you? |
| 21:18.32 | Charles_Murray | I just met an Iraqi, and he told me after an hour's conversation that I was one of two people on campus who actually understood how Iraqis feel about their country, and what's going on |
| 21:18.36 | Charles_Murray | o.o |
| 21:18.45 | Charles_Murray | Taking a look |
| 21:19.32 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: What exactly did he mean by that? |
| 21:20.35 | The_Randomness | Charles_Murray: That sounds like it must've been an interesting conversation |
| 21:21.23 | Charles_Murray | If I understood correctly, he meant that most other people whom he had spoken to about Iraq woefully misunderstand how Iraqis think about the last fifteen or so years, and how Iraq itself has come to function |
| 21:21.37 | Charles_Murray | As well as think about itself |
| 21:23.56 | Imperios | No I mean what kind of misunderstanding did he feel |
| 21:24.24 | Imperios | The idea that the War in Iraq was for the sake of the Iraqi people or something? |
| 21:25.07 | Charles_Murray | Generally, people tend to impose their own cultural understanding of the world on other places, so New Englanders would assume that the Iraqis have the same aspirations and grievances as they do |
| 21:25.34 | Charles_Murray | And understand the Iraq War the same way as they do |
| 21:25.51 | Charles_Murray | Nah, New Englanders hate the Iraq War |
| 21:26.06 | Charles_Murray | But this guy actually thought the toppling of Saddam Hussein was a good thing |
| 21:26.20 | Charles_Murray | (Which was not at all surprising to me) |
| 21:26.49 | ImpyDroid | Makes sense |
| 21:28.46 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : Perfect |
| 21:28.50 | ImpyDroid | So I presume he meant they did not understand what the Iraqis wanted? |
| 21:28.53 | ImpyDroid | ^_^ |
| 21:29.30 | Charles_Murray | That's putting it too simply; It's like America not understanding why Russians like Putin |
| 21:29.47 | Charles_Murray | Or why Russia is acting the way it does |
| 21:30.50 | ImpyDroid | Not many Russians I know like Putin per se |
| 21:31.04 | ImpyDroid | He is more like the best we have got |
| 21:31.16 | ImpyDroid | That is the public perception of him at leasr |
| 21:31.25 | Charles_Murray | It's a very complex and multifaceted question, full of complexity which is often glossed over by those discussing it on the outside. |
| 21:32.27 | Charles_Murray | Right, and I've just baited you into demonstrating why the question also conveys a non-understanding |
| 21:33.05 | Charles_Murray | So just as "Russians like Putin" doesn't quite convey the complexity of how Russians are feeling |
| 21:33.23 | Charles_Murray | "what the Iraqis wanted" also glosses over similar subtleties |
| 21:33.36 | Charles_Murray | I hope that makes sense? |
| 21:34.35 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid |
| 21:34.50 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.06 | ImpyDroid | This is genuinely interesting though, I'd like to know more |
| 21:38.58 | Charles_Murray | I wasn't there when he discussed Iraq with other people, so I can only relay it in theoretical terms. What's important is that different parts of Iraq have their own conception of history, justice, legitimacy, of what's going on around them, what caused it, and who is in the right |
| 21:40.13 | Charles_Murray | And because they live there and they're immersed in the events, actors, and mechanisms at play, their understanding of what's going on is necessarily going to hinge on things that outsiders who haven't studied the country have no idea exist |
| 21:41.08 | Charles_Murray | While I was familiar with the main actors, how those actors relate, in broad terms how they think of each other, and (broadly) how they conceptualize history |
| 21:42.31 | Charles_Murray | So once you know these things, you can begin to understand 2003-2016 how an Iraqi from Baghdad would, or how a Sunni in the West would, or a Kurd from the north would |
| 21:42.41 | Charles_Murray | Or a Shia tribesman from the East would |
| 21:43.30 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : Point me in the direction that most interests you? |
| 21:44.30 | ImpyDroid | Probably the religious relationships part, as that is what I can sort of understand |
| 21:45.14 | ImpyDroid | Weren't Just Do Its the wealthier part of Iraqi population? |
| 21:45.59 | Charles_Murray | Er. |
| 21:46.13 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : I think you've just got an autocorrect fail |
| 21:46.38 | ImpyDroid | No it was an attempt at a pun hur |
| 21:46.45 | ImpyDroid | Shi'a Muslims |
| 21:46.52 | The_Randomness | oic |
| 21:46.54 | ImpyDroid | I meant Shi'a Muslims |
| 21:47.09 | Charles_Murray | No, the Sunni minority was in control of the government during the Saddam Hussein era |
| 21:47.18 | ImpyDroid | rite |
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| 21:47.30 | Tek0516 | So I got my phone repaired only to have to send it out AGAIN immediately for a new problem. :/ |
| 21:47.36 | ImpyDroid | It makes sense |
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| 22:11.31 | The_Randomness_ | ok, that was really weird |
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| 22:58.12 | DrodoL4D | Hi |
| 23:01.21 | dino82_ | hi alal |
| 23:01.24 | dino82_ | hi all! |
| 23:01.25 | dino82_ | I meant haha |
| 23:01.32 | dino82_ | srry wasn't paying attention at the key board :P |
| 23:01.36 | OluapPlayer | Hi dino |
| 23:01.37 | dino82_ | Howz all doing? |
| 23:02.02 | DrodoEmpire | I'm doing well |
| 23:03.42 | dino82_ | great to hear :D |
| 23:05.10 | dino82_ | anything going on on the wiki? |
| 23:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I dunno |
| 23:06.37 | Technobliterator | We're considering starting a super-collab thingy |
| 23:06.45 | Technobliterator | and hopefully making a thread with more concrete ideas about it soon |
| 23:07.25 | dino82_ | ah ok interessting. A super-collab hmm? |
| 23:10.42 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 23:10.55 | The_Randomness | It's in its early stages right now, and I want to make sure that this is done right |
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| 23:16.16 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 23:16.49 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 23:17.11 | dino82_ | Oh ok, sounds interessitng read something on it on a thread or so but sounds there are some challenges in it |
| 23:17.23 | DrodoEmpire | Its a big idea |
| 23:19.50 | dino82_ | indee |
| 23:20.13 | Wormy_ | Its getting a bit overblown atm |
| 23:20.19 | Wormy_ | We should start small |
| 23:20.53 | Wormy_ | Even I contributed to that |
| 23:21.34 | Wormy_ | I don't know whether I should make the new thread or not. Ghelae, Monet and Jo probably have the clearest picture of it |
| 23:24.14 | Charles_Bot | The old thread is a bit jumbled at the moment, a new thread would focus the discussion |
| 23:24.30 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 23:24.42 | Technobliterator | we should make the thread now |
| 23:24.52 | Technobliterator | Wormy or Random can do it |
| 23:24.57 | The_Randomness | I might even suggest locking the old one to reduce noise |
| 23:25.06 | Wormy_ | I've closed it |
| 23:25.10 | The_Randomness | ok, good |
| 23:25.20 | Charles_Bot | This is the problem with only having forum posts, given that after 50+ responses, it's hard to sift through the conversation and understand (1) what's going on, (2) what the concrete ideas are, and (3) who is responding to whine |
| 23:25.23 | Charles_Bot | Whom* |
| 23:25.23 | Technobliterator | can make it now-ish |
| 23:25.31 | Charles_Bot | blogs were a bit better at this |
| 23:25.56 | Wormy_ | Yeah they are frustrating |
| 23:26.43 | Wormy_ | I think we could organise key ideas that work into a list or something to keep up with the evolution of the project. |
| 23:26.47 | Technobliterator | It would be better if we went back to talk page-style forums |
| 23:26.53 | Technobliterator | instead of these awful Wikia ones |
| 23:27.08 | Technobliterator | but we're stuck with them until they get replaced |
| 23:27.18 | Wormy_ | I much preferred the original forums, edit conflicts aside. |
| 23:27.56 | Technobliterator | Edit conflicts were literally the only issue with them |
| 23:28.27 | Charles_Bot | From what I've seen of them, they were also butt ugly xD |
| 23:28.40 | Charles_Bot | In all seriousness, they might do the job in this case |
| 23:29.15 | Technobliterator | I hated the days when Wikia felt the need to just turn everything into a social network |
| 23:29.32 | Technobliterator | and then we had awful things like blogs and message walls |
| 23:29.33 | Wormy_ | If we do use polls, the advantage of a forum-like page is that we could use bullet pointed explanations for our choices like *{{support}} - Blah ~~~~ |
| 23:29.33 | morgothBotPy | Wormy_ meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:support |
| 23:29.38 | Wormy_ | woops |
| 23:29.49 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks Morgothbot |
| 23:29.51 | Charles_Bot | Olol |
| 23:29.56 | DrodoEmpire | We know you try to help. <3 |
| 23:29.58 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:30.02 | Technobliterator | and that WikiaActivity thing |
| 23:30.04 | Technobliterator | uggggggggh |
| 23:30.07 | Wormy_ | Forgot Morgothbot exists |
| 23:30.57 | Charles_Bot | I like Wormy_ 's proposal, to move this to a dedicated project page with a talk page organized like the old forums |
| 23:31.10 | The_Randomness | Oh yeah, that's a good idea |
| 23:31.14 | Wormy_ | The good old fashioned way |
| 23:31.29 | Wormy_ | In that case, I don't mind starting the page |
| 23:31.34 | Charles_Bot | Though we might want to include a short blurb on how to contribute |
| 23:31.40 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:31.51 | Technobliterator | yes please |
| 23:31.56 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 23:32.04 | Wormy_ | I'll begin work on it asap |
| 23:32.19 | The_Randomness | Wormy_editing: Let me know if you want any help |
| 23:32.22 | Charles_Bot | So we're all on the same page and the new users who aren't used to wikia-style etiquette know what's going on |
| 23:32.36 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:33.18 | The_Randomness | I can definitely help with setting up things like a canonization process |
| 23:33.32 | Technobliterator | Canonization process should be extremely easy |
| 23:33.33 | The_Randomness | Because collabs need that sort of thing |
| 23:33.37 | The_Randomness | yeah, it's not difficult |
| 23:33.46 | Charles_Bot | How do you propose handling that? |
| 23:33.47 | The_Randomness | I can offer up an example for you guys to look at |
| 23:34.12 | Charles_Bot | Please ^.^ |
| 23:34.34 | The_Randomness | http://conglomera.wikia.com/wiki/Policies_and_Procedures#Canon |
| 23:34.39 | Wormy_editing | Should I use "SporeWiki: Super Collab"? |
| 23:34.46 | Technobliterator | yeah sure |
| 23:34.54 | Technobliterator | also |
| 23:35.07 | Technobliterator | should we have votes on which users handle which things? or should it just be voluntary? |
| 23:35.34 | The_Randomness | What do you mean? |
| 23:35.35 | Charles_Bot | Votes |
| 23:35.35 | Wormy_editing | Some things we definitely need to vote on, like the setting |
| 23:35.56 | Technobliterator | Or it could simply be that, instead of voting for an individual user to handle it |
| 23:35.56 | Wormy_editing | But I'd prefer something like use bullep pointed explanations than polls |
| 23:36.06 | The_Randomness | Yeah, if you look at what I linked, only certain things need to be voted on |
| 23:36.23 | Technobliterator | users simply write sections or pages in a sandbox or something |
| 23:36.26 | The_Randomness | In that collab project, we use google docs to set up polls |
| 23:36.29 | Technobliterator | and then that gets voted on |
| 23:36.41 | The_Randomness | Well, it needs to be submitted first |
| 23:36.55 | Technobliterator | I don't think we need google docs |
| 23:36.58 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 23:37.02 | The_Randomness | We have polls and such on here |
| 23:37.07 | Technobliterator | right |
| 23:37.07 | The_Randomness | just saying that's how we did it there |
| 23:37.28 | The_Randomness | I'd say that we should follow a similar system to what I linked |
| 23:39.15 | Technobliterator | could you write about it in a post on wormy's thread or something? |
| 23:39.42 | The_Randomness | I thought he was making a page, not a thread |
| 23:39.51 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:39.52 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 23:39.54 | Technobliterator | I dunno then |
| 23:40.19 | Charles_Bot | ^ Create a proposal with a boiled-down version of how such a structure would work, and we'll vote on it |
| 23:40.35 | Technobliterator | yeah that |
| 23:40.50 | Charles_Bot | Doesn't have to be long |
| 23:41.40 | The_Randomness | tl;dr: regular polls for voting on stuff that needs to be voted on, submissions will have four general types |
| 23:43.14 | The_Randomness | creation (adding something that doesn't just expand on existing stuff), addition (large addition to existing content), expansion (exactly what it says on the box), and modification (anything that is some sort of destructive change) |
| 23:43.54 | Technobliterator | I'd add a fifth for "revamp (replacing something already existing)" |
| 23:44.21 | The_Randomness | That would probably just fall under modification |
| 23:45.42 | The_Randomness | Since you're basically getting rid of something and replacing it with something else |
| 23:46.42 | The_Randomness | Creation and modification are the only ones that go to poll, and the two others only go to poll if vetoed by the creator |
| 23:46.59 | Wormy_editing | Shall we go on Titabnpad? My brain is being a bit slow tonight |
| 23:47.03 | The_Randomness | sure |
| 23:47.17 | Wormy_editing | https://titanpad.com/1nVQavWREk |
| 23:47.22 | Wormy_editing | This is what I've got |
| 23:58.08 | DrodoEmpire | My milk smells like salty cheese but tastes fine |
| 23:58.12 | DrodoEmpire | This displeases me greatly |
| 23:58.12 | The_Randomness | o_o |
