IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160322

00:05.48Monet"The Manager demanded a clear glass window in his room. To fucking look at what, I asked him. Your room doesn't have a hole leading to the outside. Your room doesn't have a view of anything. The best I can do is put in a window that is 2 feet away from a stone wall. He doesn't give a shit. He wants a window. Fine, I hope the cocksucker falls through it while drunk."
00:07.49dromDrodoEmpire: Certainly, bows and crossbows do lack firepower, but they make up for in kinetic energy.
00:08.42dromFirearms, you get lot of firepower but some variations of it does not offer the same kinetic energy. Some do offer the same or more energy, but at some trade offs.
00:09.28DrodoEmpireEr
00:09.31dromI'm not an expert, the latter was just an assumption.
00:09.54DrodoEmpireWhat do you mean by "firepower"?
00:10.30DrodoEmpireI mean, I'm pretty sure bullets also carry a lot of kinetic energy- its just distributed differently and comes from chemical propellant instead of muscle energy
00:10.57dromDamage, ability to expel energy into the target.
00:11.12dromAlthough bolts and arrows were meant to punch right through.
00:12.05DrodoEmpireSo are most weapons?
00:12.21DrodoEmpireA spear does that too, a pollaxe does that too. A bullet does that too
00:12.42dromBullets do yes, but it is designed to expand and expel their energy.
00:13.35dromThat means more damage to their target. What is not designed for is punching through.
00:14.06DrodoEmpireEr, no.
00:14.22DrodoEmpireLots of bullets, especially in the modern day are *made to punch through armour*
00:14.56DrodoEmpireAnd have a lot more energy behind them when they do so
00:16.31dromAll of the modern ammo I see today are sharp-tips
00:17.50DrodoEmpireErr, yes. That'd be fairly good to piercing armour, don't you figure?
00:18.02DrodoEmpireAnd it matters more the material the bullet's made out of, anyway
00:18.14DrodoEmpireAP rounds tend to have some iron content in them
00:18.47dromI'm afraid that the sharp-tips are made to cut'n punch its' way in.
00:18.53dromI see ball-tips there
00:19.32dromBall-tips are made to expand its energy into the target more than sharp-tips?
00:20.09DrodoEmpirehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO - Anyhow, an example of an AP round
00:20.14DrodoEmpireDepending on what role it has
00:20.42dromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy_penetrator
00:26.25dromInterestingly, you were more likely to die to a bolt wound than to a bullet wound.
00:34.47dromThe difference I can see in particular is that bullets are pretty much trimmed arrows with a very minimalistic head, yet sharp or stubby. Dependig on the variation.
00:45.22dromDrodoEmpire: Cannot help but laugh at this tank https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/VT1-2-2.jpg
00:45.40DrodoEmpire"you see ivan..."
00:45.51DrodoEmpire"if you of put on two cannon"
00:46.05DrodoEmpire"you shoot dubble boolet"
00:47.25dromCannot really help but to glorify the hell out of Strv 103
00:52.22dromDrodoEmpire: Anyway. From what I've read. Getting hit by a bullet is like rear-ended by a single car. But bolts can be like rear-ended by multiple cars rear-ending in a line. That is given both drove at same speed and utilize the same variant.
00:52.32DrodoEmpireRight
00:52.36DrodoEmpireI dunno, though
00:53.08DrodoEmpireBecause I mean both are *incredibly* painful but I have to wonder that considering the speed difference
00:53.13DrodoEmpireMaybe you're right though
00:54.02dromBullets are certainly lethal
00:54.29DrodoEmpireWell naturally
00:54.31DrodoEmpireAnd so are bolts
00:54.46dromBut if rods and bolts were fired at same velocity as bullets. Then they'd be more lethal.
00:55.04dromBut I doubt if they would give the same physical phenomen called shock something
00:55.33dromiirc, energy expands behind the bullet
00:59.44dromDrodoEmpire: The lethality lies more in the head than the energy it delievers. The energy just makes it more lethal.
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01:00.48dromDrodoEmpire: Got to go now. Thanks for an inspriring and refreshning debate.
01:00.59DrodoEmpirenp
01:01.58drom's urge for ad hominem secretly intensifies
01:02.55dromDrodoEmpire: This might be an interesting read for you. Keep in mind the title is misleading. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4ahqbm/til_chinese_police_use_crossbow_to_stop_suicide/
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04:24.34TekDroidDrom: So after struggling for hours with some code, I realize the f***ing document was wrong. -.-
05:24.58TekDroid*documentation
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11:22.35Wormy_hi
11:24.44TekDroidHi
11:47.42drom_Heyo
11:49.24Wormy_hello
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11:54.10HachimanHi
11:54.11drom_Apparently there is an university dedicated for theology
11:54.18drom_[internal screaming]
11:54.22HachimanHow stupid
11:54.48drom_and hi
11:58.44GhelHello.
12:07.05drom_This fucking tank
12:07.06drom_https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Czo%C5%82g_lekki_PL-01_%2802%29.jpg
12:07.36drom_Looks like something ripped from a game and made a reality with lot of plastic
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12:08.56AdmiralPandahi all
12:10.25HachimanHi
12:11.37AdmiralPandaso a restaurant my friend works at got voted "Worst Vegetarian Restaurant in Brisbane"
12:12.53Hachimanhur
12:13.15Wormy_drom:  Won't look so pretty after some mortar rounds have hit it
12:14.07AdmiralPandaI get the feeling you already know the punchline
12:14.20drom_Wormy_: I've noticed that you British had used an unusual-looking tank destroyer called Archer
12:14.34drom_https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Archer_SP_17_pdr_Tank_Destroyer.jpg
12:14.59Wormy_Oh yeah
12:15.00AdmiralPandafor those who don't, the restaurant is a steakhouse; they don't even serve salad :P
12:15.17Wormy_oh dear
12:15.20drom_God fucking damnit, Panda
12:15.43Wormy_drom_  Still, that Polish reminds me of some of Syd Mead's vehicles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMIrHlAf2Q
12:15.49Wormy_*Polish tank
12:15.51AdmiralPandaI'm not joking btw, that was actually an "award" they were given by a vegetarian group
12:15.57drom_I didn't get the punchline because every restaurant, even steakhouses, do always serve salad.
12:16.01AdmiralPandait was intended to be a shaming, but they embraced it as a mark of pride :P
12:16.06drom_In Sweden at least
12:16.41drom_With an exception of Thai and Chinese resturants, they offer you cooked salad instead.
12:16.44AdmiralPandamost do here too, but salad in a steakhouse is often a bit on the weird side
12:16.53AdmiralPandaexcept for maybe like a side garden salad
12:17.41drom_AdmiralPanda: http://satwcomic.com/art/greens.jpg
12:18.02AdmiralPandaseen, lol'd
12:19.05drom_Hachiman: http://satwcomic.com/art/women-around-the-world.png
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12:19.57JepardiHi
12:20.04AdmiralPandathe one thing I don't like about mother's/father's day is there's not a day when you shouldn't be respecting your parents (assuming they're not jerkwads)
12:20.57drom_AdmiralPanda: There is one already, the teens
12:21.16AdmiralPandathat's called being an ungrateful twat (again, assuming the above)
12:21.28AdmiralPandawhich unfortunately I was guilty of when I was young and stupid
12:22.30drom_"Finnish people stare you silently until you hand the ketchup. If you hand the mustard instead, they'll stab you and keep staring you until you hand the ketchup."
12:23.51AdmiralPandaI want to know exactly what the Finnish did to deserve the stereotype of a guy/girl with a knife
12:24.48drom_And I wonder what we did deserve to stereotypized with "bork, bork, bork"
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12:27.32AdmiralPandahi u
12:27.57drom_"Violent male culture"
12:28.20OluapPlayerhai
12:30.51GhelHello.
12:31.21Technobliteratordumbo
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12:37.08drom_AdmiralPanda: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8507342/You-Know-You-Have-Been-in-Finland-Too-Long-When
12:40.14AdmiralPandaheh
12:43.05drom_AdmiralPanda: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly1l6jqdrk1r73ihqo1_400.jpg
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12:58.51drom_Monet_2: How I imagine Kicath http://i.imgur.com/syUwz1f.png
13:02.14Monet_2That last frame reminds me of one forgotten beast form Battlefailed
13:02.31Monet_2THe one the DF community thought was regularly emanating cocaine.
13:03.34drom_wat
13:03.43AdmiralPandanow, to begin an experiment
13:04.11drom_Hachiman Monet_2: http://i.imgur.com/YOEYyEL.png?1 "Addiction"
13:05.38AdmiralPandalet's see if capturing the Castle without being part of the minutemen lets you use their radio
13:05.50Monet_2<PROTECTED>
13:13.16drom_Monet_2: iirc that amount of ephedrine is like 13 of 1 litre beakers.
13:13.44Monet_213 or 1/3?
13:14.06drom_13 1-litre beakers
13:14.14drom_Totaling 13 liters of that drug
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13:15.19Monet_2Then she somehow has *twice as much Ephedrine in her system than blood*
13:20.04Wormy_I love this http://www.kosapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/iu.jpeg
13:20.41Monet_2Cool!
13:20.59Wormy_By Syd Mead, his art is awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMIrHlAf2Q
13:21.19Wormy_That vehicle looks plausible to me
13:21.26Wormy_But I'm not an engineer
13:21.40Wormy_Monowheels exist though
13:28.41Monet_2Looks a bit like a Mass Relay.
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13:42.26Wormy_I could live in a house like that http://www.scrubbles.net/mead/mead10.jpg
14:00.28AdmiralPandaI have now perfected the most dramatic killing of a synth possible
14:00.58AdmiralPandamy combat rifle does enough damage to blow an arm or leg off with one shot, so I go first shot leg, second shot arm, third shot head- kills it outright and makes it fall and spin as it does so
14:29.46drom_Goddamnit monet
14:30.03drom_AdmiralPanda: http://i.imgur.com/KF3W0KA.png
14:30.37drom_So far one of the dumbest polandballs I've been in a while
14:30.42drom_That I laughed hard
14:33.16AdmiralPandaNukes: 1, Mirelurk Queen: 0
14:34.14AdmiralPandaunrelated note, that polandball makes me think of the old practice of quartering heraldry
14:35.00drom_Hachiman: This picture is full of the scent of to-be death. http://i.imgur.com/O9sGUxb.png
14:37.31drom_Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/jRzRt9C.png
14:39.24drom_Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/HN0gsfU.png
14:42.48AdmiralPandaPenetrator is officially the best perk ever
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15:14.36drom_Charles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/KF3W0KA.png
15:15.44Charles_Murrayolol
15:16.02AdmiralPanda"The best bit about being British is I'm really good at being fake British"
15:37.30TekDroidWormy_: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1458657037-20160322.png
15:39.04TekDroiddrom_: I just noticed Italy is flipped in the last panel
15:59.07Wormy_lol
15:59.24drom_TekDroid Wormy_: Don't you just love how something has stopped working or refuses working, so I've to use an external library to solve it?
15:59.45drom_Either the way, this one is going to solve all my filesystem hassle
16:00.41Wormy_Yes, like the other day, I couldn't export my models to JSON format at al
16:00.46Wormy_*all
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16:14.32Wormy_hi
16:15.36MonetHi
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16:26.32TekDroiddrom_: Did you get my ping earlier about my coding problem? Spent an hour or two last night trying to get my code working, only to realize the documentation was wrong. >.<
16:26.41CyrannianHi
16:26.53TekDroidHello Cyrannian
16:28.50MonetHi
16:29.54OluapPlayer~punch Cyrannian
16:29.54infobotACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose
16:30.28Cyrannian~glomp OluapPlayer
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16:33.47ZF101Hello all.
16:34.13MonetHello
16:35.56drom_TekDroid: Only the first of it though
16:36.29MonetHow's everyone's day?
16:36.44TekDroidAlright
16:36.51ZF101Fine enough.
16:39.08drom_A bit boring
16:45.17MonetQuiet for me as well
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17:15.24Wormy_hi
17:15.38MonetHello
17:17.42CatfaceHi.
17:18.08CatfaceSo, yeah, really sucks about Brussels.
17:18.26Charles_Murray^
17:32.17Technobliteratoryeah
17:32.18Technobliteratoralas
17:32.45drom_Living under a stone, what happened?
17:33.21drom_Ooooh
17:34.07TekDroidDrom_: About Brussels?
17:34.25drom_Yeah. I just read an article about it
17:35.00TekDroidYeah. Another tragic attack.
17:35.47drom_Quick, give me Linda promising to destroy ISIS again
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18:05.53HachimanHi
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18:06.19GhelaeHello.
18:10.39Technobliteratordum oluap's gone
18:29.47CyrannianPeople, do you prefer the Libertus with or without head feathers? http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2a/Libertus.png/revision/latest?cb=20150704193836 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/dd/Aver_Kuestantine.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319192228
18:30.47Technobliteratorhm
18:31.00TechnobliteratorI don't have a strong preference, personally, but I slightly favour the former
18:31.23GhelaeI think it makes sense for there to be Libertus with both, just like not all humans have a full head of hair but many do.
18:31.47HachimanAye
18:31.51HachimanI prefer with feathers though
18:32.30CyrannianGood point Ghel
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18:45.02HachimanHi Imp
18:46.28Cyrannianhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/14/Apollo.png/revision/latest?cb=20160322184611 - some new duds
18:47.03HachimanLooks pretty neat
18:50.23ImperiosCyrannian: That crotchtie
18:50.33Cyrannianknew you'd point that out hur
18:53.10ImperiosTechnobliterator: http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Sizes_5e0665_5865183.jpg
18:53.37Technobliteratorlmao
18:54.25HachimanOh yeah, new Samus is shorter than classic Samus
18:54.45HachimanNot sure how I feel about that
18:55.26ImperiosThe first one looks better
18:55.36ImperiosBut I know jackshit about Samus anyway so ignore me
18:56.29HachimanSamus is my waifu
18:57.20ImperiosShe looks hot in both versions hur
18:57.43HachimanThe thing about Samus is that she is practically asexual
18:58.09HachimanSo she is supposed to be tall, hot, and strong but is also uninterested in sex and relationships because she's a loner
18:59.22Hachimanshes a stronk independent white woman who dunt need no man
19:01.59Imperios>white
19:02.02Imperios[TRIGGERED]
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19:23.37MonetHi
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19:28.28MonetHello
19:29.03Thunderlord1234Hey, i was wondering how do you add images to you're fiction page is it hard do people just like upload spore images on a website and post it here or can you do it from the website or documents spore creations manually
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19:32.51JepardiHi
19:33.58GhelawayHello.
19:34.14GhelawayThunderlord1234: Upload photos to SporeWiki using http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Upload
19:34.15ImperiosThunderlord1234: Hi. What exactly do you find difficult with adding images?
19:34.59GhelawayThen add them to the page using [[File:image name.png|thumb|caption]]
19:35.17GhelawayUsing the actual image name instead of "image name.png" and the caption you want instead of "caption".
19:35.47GhelawayInfoboxes usually have most of that code automatically, so if you're adding an image to an infobox, you'll just need |file=image name.png
19:35.56GhelawayOr something similar.
19:37.10GhelawayErm, "images" rather than "photos" in my first comment.
19:37.33GhelawayBut yes, it's not hard.
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19:39.30Wormy_hi
19:40.20MonetHello
19:43.03ImperiosHi
19:46.33Thunderlord1234i'm sorry i just thought people uploaded it from website or spore
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20:02.28ImperiosCyrannian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=griLe2vwqe8
20:02.31Hachimanxhu
20:04.02ImperiosohXD
20:04.22Cyrannianhur
20:05.10TechnobliteratorImperios, Cyrannian, *insert Reckoning nag here*
20:05.22ImperiosI have two essays due tomorrow
20:05.53Monet_2Two? Yowch
20:07.06Technobliteratorpft excuses
20:07.12Technobliteratorreckoniiiiiiiiiiiing
20:07.24ImperiosMonet_2: Well the first one is not really an essay
20:07.42Monet_2>excuses   >essays
20:07.44ImperiosWe have to take some random language-like... thing and interpret it like a real language
20:07.50ImperiosLike sign language and shit
20:07.51Thunderlord1234Techno is that you?
20:07.56ImperiosWe have to make a syntax
20:08.07ImperiosI took 20th century music hur
20:08.12Imperiosclassical music
20:08.25Monet_2Imperios: I like the term 'project' for stuff like that.
20:09.15TechnobliteratorNo, I'm a secret government alien pretending to be the contributor who edits under the username "Technobliterator"
20:09.19TechnobliteratorYes, it is me
20:09.20Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11218684_558617524300372_836816144583732229_n.jpg?oh=405d4cc19ec7731752db4e0f8d9ebcdf&oe=577FEC64 Accurate representation of me right now
20:09.46Technobliteratoranyway Imo
20:09.47TechnobliteratorImp
20:09.54TechnobliteratorI'd prefer if you tell me this stuff first
20:09.57Technobliteratorbut that's fine
20:10.04Technobliteratorwould appreciate if you could get it done after
20:11.20Thunderlord1234Techno is my stuff alright http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Virginian_Confederation
20:11.45Xhoer
20:12.09ImperiosI could do some small thing tho
20:12.55ImperiosHachiman: http://cs630928.vk.me/v630928436/1f526/LToD-ExNJ4w.jpg
20:12.57XhoMan I need to leave my job
20:14.34HachimanImperios: Brilliant
20:14.59ImperiosNow that you told me that Zayats looks like a girl I cannot help but think of him as female
20:15.14ImperiosWhich is weird because I was always solid he was a guy as a kid
20:15.40HachimanZayats always came across to me as a girl
20:16.07XhoZayats is a cunt
20:16.08TechnobliteratorThunderlord1234, if it doesn't break any rules, it's fine
20:16.12XhoI have no clue who Zayats is
20:16.35ImperiosXho: Soviet version of Jerry
20:16.36HachimanZayats is the Russian equivalent of Tom from Tom & Jerry, except less of an asshole
20:16.41HachimanNo wait
20:16.42HachimanJerry
20:16.43Thunderlord1234any opinions
20:16.50XhoOkay more like a cyka then
20:16.50Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxexoStvquk Take a look
20:16.56HachimanRussian version of Jerry except less of an asshole
20:17.11ImperiosActually no
20:17.32ImperiosXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncHd3sxpEbo There
20:17.41ImperiosObserve the brilliance of Soviet animation
20:17.44XhoImperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_dhUv_CrI I'm reminded of this
20:18.01HachimanZayats is a qt tho
20:18.06HachimanWhether they are boy or girl
20:18.11ImperiosThat's the early versions, take a look at the actual cartoon
20:18.58Wormy_Monet_2, Ghelaway, Hachiman:  There's not enough rocket-shaped spaceships in the SporeWikiverse, even though they probably no practical reason.  http://s253.photobucket.com/user/sotoolslinger/media/TTA%20Proximan%20K13%20Shark/IMG_1630.jpg.html http://img13.nnm.ru/8/b/2/6/1/8b261a9a0548a3b4467e614101e83453_full.jpg
20:19.01XhoIt's like Hachi's Russian yaoi twin
20:19.07TechnobliteratorNot really. You might want to work on grammar a bit, particularly that the sentences are too long and capital letters are used incorrectly. However, the concept is perfectly fine.
20:19.12Wormy_Bonus http://blog.above-second.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wfdj_angus_mckie_gallery_0uro0161__angus_mckie.jpg
20:19.15XhoTHAT'S RIGHT I USED RUSSIAN AND JAPANESE IN THE SAME SENTENCE LOL GO FUCK YOURSELF IMPERIOS GGGGG
20:19.33ImperiosThat's normal
20:19.43Xhooh well then
20:19.45ImperiosJapanese terms are common in Russian internet slang
20:19.57ImperiosCalling a cute girl "nyasha" is perfectly normal
20:19.59Imperiosnyash myash
20:20.20Imperios"-sha" is a feminine diminutive
20:20.23ImperiosOF "nya" in that case
20:20.45drom_Wormy_: Apparently there is an art book of spaceships based on the Dune book(s)
20:21.30ImperiosWe also use "kun" and "chan" as "boy" and "girl" for no apparent reason
20:21.42ImperiosI had to exaplain it to my Japanese friend
20:21.51XhoSo do we, people get slapped for it
20:22.21ImperiosIt's purely geek slang obviously
20:22.27ImperiosHachiman: https://youtu.be/kxJXODbbAsE?t=437 HOLY SHIT
20:23.01Wormy_drom_ Cool, I really like 70's sci-fi style, not too retro, but more visionary than many modern SF art styles
20:23.04ImperiosHachiman Xho: https://youtu.be/NRdGSXPmn2s?t=14 You might also be interested by this
20:23.21Wormy_I like Everything is an Ipad trope etc.
20:23.34drom_Wormy_: I just don't like the retro look of rockets, taht is
20:23.35Wormy_cross I out
20:23.38XhoImperios: What in the name of Baphomet am I watching
20:24.02ImperiosWormy_: Didn't you hate it
20:24.07ImperiosXho: WHAT WE WATCHED AS KIDS
20:24.10ImperiosGLORIOUS RUSSIAN EDUCATION
20:24.23XhoLooks like you got brainwashed and I don't even speak Russian
20:24.40ImperiosMY MOTHER ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THIS TO BE SUPERIOR TO WESTERN AND JAPANESE CARTOONS AND THAT WAS ALL I WATCHED UNTIL I WAS LIKE 5
20:24.45Wormy_I don't hate Everything is Ipad trope, but it is over-done in modern sci-fi films
20:24.46drom_Wormy_: This being one of them apparently. http://www.duneinfo.com/Content/images/unseen/foss/13.jpg
20:24.49ImperiosAnd considers I thikn
20:24.51Imperios*think
20:24.53XhoJust for the record I'm quite drunk at the moment
20:24.59Wormy_drom_ Chris Foss
20:24.59XhoEscaping from reality and whatnot
20:25.03drom_Yep
20:25.05ImperiosThankfully I exposed my little sis to MLP so she is exposed to good cartoons to
20:25.06drom_That artist
20:25.06Imperiosto
20:25.09Imperios8too
20:25.10Wormy_drom_ Loads here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuMYV6e18VQ
20:25.10Imperios*too
20:25.37drom_Wormy_: Just got first heard of him whilst reading a review of the new Homeworld game
20:25.52Wormy_Actually, I've been looking at Neofuturist designs by Syd Mead lately, very good also
20:26.00ImperiosHachiman: I actually realised what cartoon inspired that Worker and Parasite thing
20:26.06drom_The reviewer said that Relic was inspired by Chris Foss' works
20:26.06Imperiosit is not Russian though, but Czech
20:26.09Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMIrHlAf2Q
20:26.55Wormy_Foss designed the ship in Guardians of the Galaxy http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/awbfqddm7wkj8javudzt.jpg
20:26.57Thunderlord1234ok thank's techno
20:28.28drom_Wormy_: Nice, nice! NIIIICE
20:28.45ImperiosXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2oqjteGLXw  If you think Soviet animation was weird, watch this
20:28.50ImperiosEastern European classic
20:29.42XhoHE WATERED A FUCKING SHOVEL
20:30.43Wormy_http://www.humano.com/assets/BlogPost/2650/Conseil-Commercial-terrien_original.jpg
20:30.45Monet_2Imperios: 1930s American cartoons were wierd at times
20:30.46Wormy_more rocket
20:30.56ImperiosMonet_2: That is not 1930s though
20:31.02ImperiosThat's like 1970s
20:31.05ImperiosMAybe 1980s
20:31.12ImperiosStagnation era stuff
20:31.24Monet_2I know
20:35.36Monet_2Actually come to think of it I saw a 1980s british animation a few weeks ago
20:36.01Monet_2Which happened to show two lovely people slowly suffering form radiation poisoning
20:36.30Wormy_I hear No Man's Sky spaceships are based on the works of Foss, Elson, MKie etc.
20:38.32Monet_2https://stevenrobertsdmublog.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/when-the-wind-blows-header.jpg ta-daa
20:39.48Monet_2bbl
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20:46.26The_RandomnessHello
20:46.26XhoHachiman: GOD LEFT ME UNFINISHED
20:47.21HachimanWHAT'S FOR BREAKFAST DAde
20:47.23HachimanDADE*
20:47.26HachimanAaand brb again
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20:55.24Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW0LeQZ9SNY Insomnia in a nutshell
21:01.41Thunderlord1234Oh my god this wiki is amazing i just read The Cyrannian Republic Page
21:03.25ImperiosYiy
21:03.26ImperiosWe are awesome
21:03.35ImperiosRead our stuff too while you're at it ^^
21:03.46HachimanNot my stuff
21:03.51HachimanMine's often unfinished
21:03.56HachimanAlso back
21:03.59ImperiosSo is mine hur
21:04.05ImperiosWe have a few good things though
21:04.10HachimanYeah
21:04.14HachimanLike Hachiman's page
21:04.18ImperiosAnd this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Empire_of_Man
21:04.24ImperiosHEIL JAVINA
21:05.22HachimanAlso Imp
21:05.24Hachimanhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d2/Kid_Hachi.png/revision/latest?cb=20160321221416 chek dis
21:05.25Thunderlord1234holy wow i could use some ideas
21:06.25ImperiosDem eyes
21:06.36GhelWormy_: Rocket-shaped ships are good for relativistic travel because you minimise your cross-section against the interstellar medium, but actual rocket engines themselves are terrible, yes.
21:06.50HachimanLike I said before
21:06.57HachimanThe eyes are a homage to Xho's design of Hachi
21:06.59Thunderlord1234man i should improve my dark bringers of night page i'll go ask for help brb'
21:07.23XhoJust as long as they're not a Xhodocto expy we're all good
21:09.11ImperiosYeah we have too many evil demons already
21:09.50Xho>demons
21:09.55Xhoget ur nomenclature straight niggo
21:10.49Thunderlord1234i wonder who would win The Cyrannian Republic Vs Pan-Andromedan Ecumene
21:12.03XhoObjectively speaking, the Ecumene
21:12.13XhoCollectively speaking the Ecumene is three hyperpowers in one
21:12.40XhoThough the Cyrannian Republic and the PAE would never end up in a conflict unless it was divine governance
21:13.13XhoMore than three hyperpowers actually
21:13.32XhoMore like four and an innumerable amount of superpowers and regional powers
21:14.12XhoI'd say the only few things that could stand against the PAE is the Galactic Empire of Cyrannus and the Dominion of the Xhodocto
21:14.57ImperiosThe Ecumene has a (dis)advantage of living in a shattered galaxy
21:15.36ImperiosThat makes communication different but it also makes invasions more difficult
21:15.55HachimanPlus the fractured states are still quite strong themselves
21:15.57ImperiosWormy_ http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kz%27nt Take a look, I might work on her one day
21:16.03ImperiosAye
21:16.10HachimanAlso, Essentials are far more common in Andromeda than in Cyrannus
21:16.15ImperiosWe have baguettes, dragons, rats and cyberpunk dinosaurs
21:16.28ImperiosAnd yes the rats are led by a physical goddes
21:16.43Hachiman>cyberpunk dinosaurs
21:16.44Hachimanwat
21:16.48ImperiosKicath
21:16.51HachimanOh hur
21:17.04ImperiosAlso cats and... other dragons
21:17.09ImperiosAnd... whatever the hell the Tertanai are
21:17.13ImperiosAnd dogs
21:17.19ImperiosDogs are kind of shifty though
21:17.24HachimanBirdtaurs
21:17.30ImperiosPAE is basically the furriest galaxy ever
21:17.46ImperiosUnless you count Cyrannians as dinosaur furries
21:18.03XhoAndromeda is probably the most heavily fortified galaxy in the Gigaquadrant
21:18.13Imperios*furriest empire
21:18.28XhoHighest concentration of political and military power I think
21:18.38ImperiosCyrannus is bigger I think
21:18.51ImperiosI imagine there could be a cold war between Cyrs and Andros at one point
21:18.51XhoThat is in correlation to the number of civilisations there
21:18.56ImperiosAh
21:18.57ImperiosTrue that
21:19.10HachimanWell to answer this question, just compare Warhammer 40k to Star Wars
21:19.11XhoAnd disregarding the Dominion
21:19.40HachimanAnd whether one prefers chainswords or lightsabers
21:19.41ImperiosHachiman: 40k does not work as a comparison because 40k is fighting most of the time against itself
21:19.50HachimanAnd what is Andromeda doing
21:19.57Imperios...true
21:20.26ImperiosI actually considered that Andromedans might hate Cyrannians and consider them to be barbaric
21:20.39HachimanI would have thought it would be the other way round
21:20.51ImperiosIt's more like shared contempt for each other
21:21.07ImperiosThey're their main rivals now that the GXS is over
21:21.15ImperiosEconomically and politically and shiet
21:21.16HachimanIovera - FUCKING DINO NIGGOS
21:21.21XhoSee I generally find that Andromeda is aesthetically the most pristine galaxy out of Milky Way/Andromeda/Borealis
21:21.22Thunderlord1234I Just thought of that because there Both Large Empires who have Strong Anthromorphic Races
21:21.29Thunderlord1234Or Orginization
21:21.45XhoMan you need to learn how to use capital letters
21:21.52ImperiosGRAMMATIK
21:21.53ImperiosMACHT
21:21.54ImperiosFREI
21:21.56ImperiosENGLISH
21:21.56ImperiosIS
21:21.57ImperiosNOT
21:21.58ImperiosGERMAN
21:21.58Wormy_Imperios:  She looks badarse, I can't wait to see what you do with her.  Also yes, my fiction does need more female characters.  I'm tempted to write about Wormulus's wife now.
21:22.17Thunderlord1234Yes i get it.
21:22.19TekDroidUgh. My university just raised tuition fees by the legal maximum. >.<
21:22.34ImperiosBTW Xho take a look http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kz%27nt
21:22.38XhoI saw
21:22.48XhoNeeds more before I can give an opinion
21:22.52Xhofiction macht frei
21:22.56ImperiosHuh
21:22.58TekDroidFour times the inflation rate and they already have a surplus. -.-
21:23.07ImperiosI thought at least someone would take note of "New Essex"
21:23.13Xho" Decried as a psychopathic war criminal"               Agent Kz'nt
21:23.30Hachiman>Slaughter of New Essex
21:23.32HachimanFUCKING GOOD
21:23.36HachimanFUCK ESSEX
21:23.46Xhou live in essex
21:23.51HachimanI live in Sussex
21:23.51Thunderlord1234but yes i imagine a war between the 2 and suddenly the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Allied_Terran_Republic Joins
21:23.58Xhotomato
21:24.01Hachimannon
21:24.14HachimanWilliam the Conqueror did not march through skanky Essex
21:24.30Xho“We have no interest in fighting you. We recommend your surrender.”                >Dominion of the Xhodocto
21:24.35Wormy_ATR took a neutral stance, being allied with the DCP and secretly wanting humanity united while not actively condoning it
21:24.35XhoCyrannian man ur humans r dum
21:24.49ImperiosSpeaking of Cyrannian-Andromedan conflicts
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21:25.17ImperiosXho Cyrannian Monet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywwdr_4BT7U Imagine Andromedan kids doing that but with Tyro instead of Obama
21:25.24HachimanWe were talking about Cyrannian-Andromedan conflicts and then Monet appears
21:26.09Wormy_A wild Monet appears
21:26.09ImperiosYep
21:26.48MonetImperios: He 7m tall though.
21:27.09ImperiosMonet: Draconis and Radeons are also larger than humans
21:27.18MonetYeah but not that tall
21:27.27ImperiosThough the French Imperial humans would need a lift I presume
21:27.29Thunderlord1234Tho if it happend between them this would pretty much happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkN55Y_xNTQ anyway afk
21:28.33MonetI wrote on a page that no one wants a Cyrannian-Andromedan war.
21:28.45MonetBecause boom.
21:28.57ImperiosI think more of a potential diplomatic and economical struggle between the two
21:29.00ImperiosPerhaps a few proxy wars
21:29.15ImperiosAnd/or radical Andromedan nationalists trying to instigate a Cyrannian-Andromedan war
21:29.48Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid-Cyrannus_Cold_War
21:29.55MonetThis is the closest we have
21:30.14Hachimaninb4 Cyrannus / the Imperium forms a Space Mujahideen
21:30.35ImperiosSPODE AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
21:30.50Wormy_Ghel:  Sorry, only just read your comment now.  I guess they could be good for penetrating hyperspace fog, especially for earlier hyperdrive designs.
21:31.21Wormy_given what you told me
21:31.55Thunderlord1234Oh my god i just realized there cautious with the pan-andromedan
21:32.29MonetI feel like I'm missing some of the conversation.
21:33.25ImperiosWe were talking about the most powerful factions in the Gigaqudrant
21:33.56ImperiosAnyway I mentioned in the PAE page that there is a radical nationalist party in the PAE that wants it to take direct action against Cyrannus
21:34.05ImperiosAnd aid the NCR to dismantle the Empire
21:34.07MonetSomeone pastie me what I missed
21:35.03ImperiosMonet: http://pastie.org/10770386
21:35.33ImperiosSo there could be a story about these PAE Nazis concocting some crazy plot to start a Cyrannian/Andromedan war
21:35.49Imperios9/11 IN SPACE
21:36.43HachimanAnd then they start using Zazane factions as proxies
21:36.48HachimanTYRAZ ACKBAAAAAAR
21:40.33MonetProxy conflicts are probably the wisest option
21:42.13ImperiosCould work yeah
21:43.09ImperiosActually
21:43.49Xho"Proxies are for pussies" - Kicath, 2811
21:44.20MonetDraconis - Do u want us to fight witho ur own armies then?
21:44.25ImperiosHachiman: Could one of the named Zazane characters be the PAE's official governor of former Brood space?
21:44.41ImperiosLike someone who has a claim on the entire sector but actually only controls like a handful pf planets
21:44.57HachimanKeldar could do that
21:45.25HachimanI imagine she would communicate with the PAE government to get backing for her efforts
21:45.34ImperiosRight so Keldar will be Lord Director of the Frenzy Space
21:45.50HachimanFrenzy Space
21:45.52Hachimanwat
21:45.55ImperiosIt was your idea
21:46.04HachimanDid I really call it that
21:46.14ImperiosOnly a few days ago
21:46.21HachimanHoly fuck
21:46.23HachimanWhat was I on
21:46.39Thunderlord1234could i get permission for my faction to be in andromeda http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Virginian_Confederation
21:46.54Imperioshttp://infobot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20160318.html.gz
21:46.59XhoWell the Kicath don't see a point in proxies
21:46.59Imperios21:36.17    Imperios    Hachiman: Gimme a name for the territory that was once the Brood 21:36.24    Imperios    Something the PAE would call it 21:37.39    OluapPlayer    "rekt sector" 21:40.38    Hachiman    Frenzy Space
21:47.19HachimanJesus
21:47.23XhoIf you're going to have blood and unbearable costs on your hands you might as well do it yourself and spare yourself the morality battle
21:47.27ImperiosGimme another name then hur
21:47.28HachimanWe need to rename that shit ASAP
21:47.36XhoRekt Sekta
21:48.02Thunderlord1234There a Group of Human Colonist Who Fled into another galaxy?
21:48.23HachimanI'm open for suggestions for another name
21:48.34ImperiosThunderlord1234: Yeah the Fendrassi
21:48.50ImperiosAnd the solarites and that's only my guys
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21:50.47GhelWormy_: Yeah, that too I suppose.
21:51.11ImperiosHachiman: Crimson Zone?
21:51.33ImperiosScarlet Zone?
21:51.53HachimanScarlet Zone sounds good
21:52.04Thunderlord1234no i meant my fiction in umm androme?
21:52.22ImperiosIncarnadine Zone
21:52.26Imperioshttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/incarnadine#English
21:52.28ImperiosOr just Incarnadine
21:52.47Wormy_If I had Spore working, I would go and model an early hyperdrive DCP ship
21:52.52Wormy_as a rocket-shape
21:55.05HachimanOoh
21:55.10Hachimanthe Incarnadine is cool
21:55.41HachimanI was gonna say, the Scarlet Zone sounds like something Kalcedia would come up witjh
21:55.44ImperiosSector Incarnadine
21:56.20ImperiosHachiman: Plot twist: PAE-controlled Zazane space is also the galaxy's red light district
21:56.34Hachimanhur
21:57.08HachimanI can confirm that Keldar would still have a disinterest in sex following the Golden Movement and her work in the Sector Incarnadine
21:57.44ImperiosIf Zazane space is Sector Incarnadine then how would the PAE designate Xho space
21:57.52HachimanThe Black Zone
21:58.37HachimanNegro Astroforum
21:59.05ImperiosFUCK THE PAE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE CHAOS REALM
21:59.16MonetNull Space?
21:59.18ImperiosA YOUNG DEMON GOT IT BAD CAUSE I'M BROWN
21:59.18Hachimanolol
21:59.26ImperiosXho
21:59.27ImperiosHelp
21:59.30ImperiosCome up with ideas
21:59.48ImperiosNull space would work
21:59.59ImperiosPAE would probably have a few outposts around there
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22:01.37Xhoeh
22:01.40Xhowat goin on
22:03.07ImpyDroidComing up with a PAE designation for Dominion space
22:03.15ImpyDroidThey probably consider it to be their own
22:03.37ImpyDroidgib ideaa
22:04.57XhoTHE FORBIDDEN ZONE
22:05.03ImpyDroidCould work
22:05.05drom_No-go
22:05.10XhoNo seriously don't that's dreadful
22:05.26drom_'Nogo'? As in 'no-go' hur
22:05.50XhoEverything's dreadful
22:06.07HachimanThe Dreadzone
22:06.13HachimanDread Space
22:06.25drom_"The Dreadzone" Ratchet much?
22:06.38HachimanOh hur
22:06.40ImpyDroidTHE FORBIDDEN ZONE works
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22:06.50ImpyDroidHi
22:06.54ImpyDroidWho are you
22:06.58XhoForbidden Zone is the least imaginative name so far
22:07.40drom_ImpyDroid: perhaps a bloody spy!
22:07.46drom_burn!
22:07.55Thunderlord1234:/
22:08.06ImpyDroidZone Onyx
22:08.16dromZone Nu
22:08.38dromOr Zone Xho
22:08.42XhoXhone
22:08.58dromSounds like a crappy chinese rip off.
22:09.14dromof iPhone
22:09.21Xhoping pong shoot yourself
22:09.38ImpyDroid<PROTECTED>
22:10.02MonetAbyssal Sector?
22:10.18dromThe Abyss
22:10.50XhoI dunno I'm really not in the mood to think any more than I can
22:10.55dromBlah, every ideas I make are ripoffs of the above users' idea
22:11.41HachimanThe Depths
22:12.00ImpyDroidThing is these directorates are supposed to be military governed zones basically
22:12.19drom"Zone Xh-Zero" could work
22:12.26ImpyDroidSo they should have names similar to military objects probbaly
22:14.09ImpyDroidCould be just numbers
22:14.37ImpyDroidXhospace could be Zone Zero and Broodspace Zone One
22:15.17Xhodj0nt
22:19.43MonetActualyl what about alphanumerical designation for Dominion space?
22:20.02MonetZone XH-121D
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22:29.24dino82_hi all
22:29.53DrodoEmpireHi
22:30.47dino82_how is allz doing
22:31.30DrodoEmpireGood, good
22:31.39Wormy_<PROTECTED>
22:31.54dino82_great to hear :D
22:32.01dromNeat!
22:32.04dino82_@Xho:Any news on Void?
22:32.34XhoAll my fiction's on halt until I get my life straight
22:32.36dromWormy_: You might want to unify the models and description to one same table.
22:32.51XhoGot too many problems going on to commit to anything with more than just supporting participation
22:33.36Wormy_I have thought about it
22:33.37dino82_@xho: Oh I am sorry, didn't knew something was going on in your personal life. Hope you can get it sorted out
22:33.53Wormy_Don't have much time however
22:34.34XhoI wouldn't call it a life as much as a constant sequence of events that I don't want to be part of
22:34.54dromI wish I could commit more on my fiction, but I'm goddamned bored and I'm lacking interest on it
22:35.07Wormy_I want to add images of real-life geological structures that pop up when you tap or mouse over the models as sprites; and 2) I want to make some geological simulations over the next 6 weeks
22:36.11Wormy_Well, visualisations using physics engine
22:36.34Wormy_*real life images of geological
22:38.00Wormy_And more complex models
22:38.08Wormy_Whatever my client agrees to collaborate on
22:39.43dromI'm here because all of you are my friends.
22:39.54drom<PROTECTED>
22:40.22GhelThat site's come a long way since you first started making it.
22:41.59Wormy_Thanks, I've had to learn a lot of CSS and design, as well as code.  And texturing too, those models were more a pain than they look.
22:42.13Wormy_to texture
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22:45.30Xho[22:39] <drom>  Except hachiman. We are sworn enemies.                   Hachi must have heard you were talking shit
22:45.56HachimanTENNO HEIKA
22:45.59HachimanBANZAIIIII
22:46.04dromGoddamnit Xho
22:46.13dromI THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS
22:46.21HachimanALLAHU ACKBAR
22:46.30Xhoy'all been duped
22:46.32dromHITLER DID NOTHING WRONG
22:48.18dino82_those last comments can actually be a little offending considering what happened in brussel
22:48.44TechnobliteratorYes
22:48.46Technobliteratorlet's not, please
22:49.20Hachimanoh
22:49.23HachimanShit, sorry
22:49.26HachimanI completely forgot
22:49.36dromu dun goofed
22:50.06HachimanMy apologies
22:50.09Technobliteratordw
22:50.10dromEither the way, I did not mean to offend anyone with my statements.
22:50.15Technobliteratorhappens
22:50.24Technobliteratorwhere has oluap been all day
22:50.25Technobliterator;_;
22:50.38XhoHe's on Steam so
22:50.42XhoProbably has internet problems
22:50.42dromIf you future jews happen to read the log of this day, SORRY! I'm not a german if that helps.
22:50.56TechnobliteratorFair enough
22:54.35dromHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/Rqth4VI.png + http://i.imgur.com/RdgSV3y.png SS13 copypasta
22:54.59Hachimanhur
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23:06.56Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/cod3mRv.png
23:07.57Wormy_"orange juice andwatermelon" evil http://imgur.com/gallery/EWkI5R2
23:08.04Wormy_*and toothpaste
23:10.08Liquid_Ink..?
23:11.03Wormy_drink orange juice after using minth toothpaste.
23:11.10Wormy_then you'll know
23:12.02Liquid_InkI know
23:12.09Liquid_InkI was just questioning the picture
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23:32.49MonetI've been thinking: I remember Oluap once brought up the concern that when villains die peopel go "meh" but when villains die it's horribly tragic.
23:38.04MonetI know there's an inevitability in the idea the villain must be defeated. Which might be one of the reasons.
23:38.57MonetMight be we need more than the Tragic Past to make an interesting villain.
23:39.05MonetI'm goign ot try with Taremanon.
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23:41.21Thunderlord1234Hello can anybody tell me how to make my fiction page better
23:43.12HachimanMonet: A villain does not have to have a tragic past, they just need to be relatable, charismatic, or sympathetic in some way
23:43.34HachimanThey need to be something the audience would root for in the same vein as the protagonist
23:43.36MonetThe tragic past seems to be an easy path though.
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23:44.55DrodoEmpireBack
23:45.03MonetI'm going to try this with Taremanon; sure he's an all-powerful aristocrat but he's a normal guy, who'd do things that others might in his shoes
23:45.18HachimanI think one thing that needs to happen is for people to realize that a tragic past is not enough of a justification for a villain's motivations anymore
23:46.16HachimanSome villains can have a tragic past but could have been an outright bastard from the very start, or maybe they had an otherwise normal background but enjoy doing things that are otherwise frowned upon by society
23:46.26HachimanSome people are assholes by nature
23:46.37MonetThat's true. We've all been bullied, and Sporewiki perhaps draws people who have been bulliedm ore than most. As we mature, revenge because of years of torment can feel petty.
23:48.21MonetActually I think Taremanon might be interesting in that regard.
23:48.37HachimanThey say the past is what shapes you, but people forget that they are not their past
23:48.45HachimanSome things remain consistent
23:49.05HachimanAnd new things may influence them
23:49.26MonetActually that might work for him too; I wondered if all these years he's been bitter towards Tyraz for Tervos' murder.
23:50.03MonetBut then again dude's several centuries old
23:50.06HachimanI think the key for a good villain is to either have their goals be partially sympathetic, or at least relatable or understandable to the audience, or have them be charismatic about it
23:50.16DrodoEmpireMakes sense
23:50.23MonetYeah.
23:50.45HachimanOr otherwise a foil to the protagonist in some way; an antithesis
23:51.19MonetIn real life no one really admits "yeah I'm evil, what's it to you?"
23:52.33HachimanI think the most terrifying villains in that regard are people who KNOW that they are evil or what they are doing is evil and yet they still do it out of their own will rather than needing to be forced to
23:52.42HachimanAnd do not have to bring it up in conversation
23:53.14MonetThey always follow a logic that makes them thing they're the one that's right.
23:56.52HachimanI think a bigger problem in writing is with antiheroes
23:57.35DrodoEmpireThey can be tricky yeah
23:57.37HachimanMost people I know write antiheroes as being edgy loners
23:57.42DrodoEmpire^
23:58.10MonetYes. I like heroes with stains or regrets.
23:58.30MonetGood anti-heroes for me are the likes of Dirty Harry or James Bond.
23:58.33DrodoEmpireIts a careful balance, for sure.
23:58.34HachimanAye
23:58.40DrodoEmpireYeah
23:58.40MonetWhere it all started.
23:59.29HachimanPeople who resort to a villain's methods for noble or good causes
23:59.54HachimanWhile having flawed attributes; in this regard, most writers think flawed = edgy and isolated

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