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| 00:06.19 | Technobliterator | Cyrannian, OluapPlayer, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Da_Navy_Rekkin boom |
| 00:06.37 | Technobliterator | also, Hachiman, your guy kills Republic people there |
| 00:07.48 | OluapPlayer | I like how ROASTED was added to the Loron dictionary hur |
| 00:09.41 | Cyrannian | noice |
| 00:10.21 | Technobliterator | we need pictures for this war |
| 00:10.22 | Technobliterator | : |
| 00:10.23 | Technobliterator | c |
| 00:10.45 | Technobliterator | also, hopefully I was faithful to what the Republic fleet should be like |
| 00:20.05 | Cyrannian | I could make a picture if you have the pngs |
| 00:20.20 | Technobliterator | they're all on their pages |
| 00:20.42 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Loron_Sik_Ship#Gallery has some PNGs of a few examples |
| 00:21.55 | Cyrannian | rite |
| 00:22.35 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/35/Virgon01.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319002214 - Home to the super posh Libertus and their Dvottie masters |
| 00:24.01 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 00:25.38 | Monet | Now that's a palace! |
| 00:25.58 | Technobliterator | woaaah |
| 00:27.03 | OluapPlayer | Property of birb |
| 00:28.19 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/75/VirgonRoyalPalace.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319002808 - Another angle |
| 01:02.54 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire http://imgur.com/gallery/pQ7pi |
| 01:05.29 | AdmiralPanda | formal choice between the shiniest of two turds has been mad |
| 01:05.32 | AdmiralPanda | made* |
| 01:06.20 | The_Randomness | ? |
| 01:06.31 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: lol |
| 01:09.09 | Wormy_ | Hachiman, Monet, OluapPlayer, DrodoEmpire: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/frenchman-uses-trolley-as-battering-ram-after-stealing-camambert-from-waitrose-court-told-a6934616.html |
| 01:09.29 | AdmiralPanda | local and state elections were today |
| 01:09.39 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 01:09.39 | OluapPlayer | Damn french |
| 01:29.07 | Cyrannian | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c7/Sulcatusaurus.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319012855 - c space stegosaurus |
| 01:30.27 | AdmiralPanda | I AM A STEGOSAURUS |
| 01:30.29 | AdmiralPanda | someone had to |
| 01:31.49 | The_Randomness | I missed the opportunity |
| 01:31.50 | The_Randomness | :( |
| 01:32.03 | Cyrannian | i dunt understand that reference |
| 01:44.06 | AdmiralPanda | asdfmovie |
| 01:44.09 | AdmiralPanda | look it up, enjoy |
| 02:04.47 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Virgon - Started some work on this before bed, it'll probably be the last of the 12 worlds I'll work on for the time-being |
| 02:10.06 | Cyrannian | nightie night |
| 02:12.21 | Wormy_ | goodnight, as well |
| 02:13.50 | DrodoEmpire | L4D community is fucking cancer |
| 02:13.53 | DrodoEmpire | Its horrid |
| 02:14.17 | OluapPlayer | L4D, where you get vote kicked faster than you can say BOOMER |
| 02:14.20 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | I got vote-kicked from two sessions, the first one of which was within the first minute. >.< |
| 02:15.16 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, these kids take it *so* seriously they forget that they're playing like the most casual zombie shooter on the planet |
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| 02:31.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 02:35.37 | AnonyLurk | Hello. |
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| 02:48.42 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman OluapPlayer The_Randomness: Bad news, sorry about the short notice but something really urgent has come up tomorrow. I won't be able to make it to the game. |
| 02:48.49 | The_Randomness | ok |
| 02:48.53 | AdmiralPanda | I literally only just found out myself |
| 02:48.53 | OluapPlayer | Nuts |
| 02:49.07 | OluapPlayer | That's alright. The game was gonna be short anyway |
| 02:49.10 | OluapPlayer | No biggie |
| 02:54.11 | AnonyLurk | There's a SporeWiki TRPG? |
| 02:54.32 | The_Randomness | TRPG? |
| 02:58.15 | AnonyLurk | Tabletop Roleplaying Game. |
| 02:58.19 | AnonyLurk | Dungeons & Dragons? |
| 02:58.22 | AnonyLurk | Savage Worlds. |
| 02:58.26 | AnonyLurk | World of Darkness. |
| 02:58.29 | AnonyLurk | Etcetera. |
| 02:59.03 | The_Randomness | oh, yeah, we do Pathfinder |
| 03:00.34 | AnonyLurk | Good choice. |
| 03:00.41 | AnonyLurk | How's that going? |
| 03:02.11 | The_Randomness | It's going well |
| 03:02.47 | AdmiralPanda | gonna take a break from our current game, then we'll have a bit of cyberpunk and then back to pathfinder with a different GM |
| 03:02.51 | OluapPlayer | Well not really. Tomorrow's game was meant to be the last |
| 03:03.00 | OluapPlayer | I'm burned out of DMing |
| 03:03.08 | The_Randomness | o |
| 03:03.29 | AnonyLurk | Do you have room for one more player? |
| 03:10.18 | The_Randomness | I have no idea |
| 03:14.42 | The_Randomness | brb |
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| 05:23.11 | AnonyLurk | Is it on Roll20, or what? |
| 05:24.21 | The_Randomness | yeah, we use roll20 |
| 05:25.14 | The_Randomness | I just figured out how easy it was to remove the front of my computer case |
| 05:25.37 | The_Randomness | So, that made cleaning out the inside of my computer take a bit longer than I expected |
| 05:25.58 | The_Randomness | I have pictures of how it looked too |
| 05:27.59 | The_Randomness | Before: http://i.imgur.com/ONSRcyC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3j1Fut0.jpg |
| 05:28.07 | The_Randomness | After: http://i.imgur.com/0SkZXs6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/D39wKsx.jpg |
| 05:28.15 | The_Randomness | I may need a new pair of lungs |
| 06:36.38 | AnonyLurk | I did that just recently to my television. |
| 06:36.42 | AnonyLurk | Using a vacuum made it much easier. |
| 06:37.05 | AnonyLurk | In other news, Skype now has a subtitle function. |
| 06:37.17 | AnonyLurk | So my friend decided to read the lyrics to "Hey now, you're an all-star" to see what it would read it as. |
| 06:37.32 | AnonyLurk | I then read the translation back to him, and he read it back to me, and we went on like this for about thirty iterations. |
| 06:37.40 | AnonyLurk | The first translation was http://pastebin.com/GANjETkD. |
| 06:37.51 | AnonyLurk | The last was http://pastebin.com/GKS2T4v0. |
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| 10:46.40 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: Hmmm |
| 10:46.48 | Imperios | Are the Concentrated Zarni in the PAE now? |
| 10:47.04 | Liquid_Ink | I haven't been on Sporewiki in too long. |
| 10:47.07 | Liquid_Ink | What's the PAE? |
| 10:47.38 | Imperios | Uber-AGC |
| 10:47.53 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Pan-Andromedan_Ecumene Take a look |
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| 10:48.52 | drom | Sometimes it feels like not all people understand the difficulties other people are going through, or what difficulties they are about to go through. I pity them both. |
| 10:49.58 | Liquid_Ink | Imperios: The Liberated Zarni would only join if they could retain sufficient independence and self-determination. |
| 10:50.30 | Imperios | Right so either a realm or an Exarchate if they join |
| 10:50.32 | Liquid_Ink | drom: Yeah, you've summed up the privelidged class right there. |
| 10:51.17 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: "Women as main characters who do something? FEMINISM!!!1111" |
| 10:51.33 | Liquid_Ink | ... |
| 10:52.00 | Imperios | That's the example of what you are talking about |
| 10:52.13 | Liquid_Ink | Anyway, I think the Liberated Zarni Sodality would probably be an exarchate, perhaps provided funds from their foreign aid budget and volunteers to the military. |
| 10:52.30 | Imperios | Or when people threw a fit when there was a black guy in Force Awakens |
| 10:52.42 | Imperios | rite |
| 10:54.01 | drom_ | What are both you two talking about? |
| 10:54.47 | Imperios | We're talking about the Zarni's place in the PAE and about privileged groups always feeling vulnerable |
| 10:55.43 | drom_ | I see. |
| 10:57.31 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, and the LZS is under a DSB protectorate, although if the PAE has issue with that they'll simply modify it to a military pact. |
| 11:00.48 | Imperios | Right |
| 11:00.54 | drom_ | Nothing I can help however. |
| 11:01.19 | Liquid_Ink | Nice PAE symbolism, BTW |
| 11:02.09 | Imperios | You mean symbolics |
| 11:02.32 | drom_ | Oh, you caught my curiousity again, what symbolics? |
| 11:02.56 | Liquid_Ink | Their emblems |
| 11:03.28 | drom_ | Oh. |
| 11:03.57 | Liquid_Ink | Isn't "symbolism" is the more accurate word? |
| 11:06.31 | drom_ | Symbol for representation of a belief, idea, action or entity. |
| 11:08.05 | drom_ | Symbolism can be related to a 19th-century art movement rejecting Realism. |
| 11:10.30 | Imperios | OH wait right, symbolism is the right word |
| 11:10.31 | Imperios | my bad |
| 11:10.32 | drom_ | Eh. It is a bit hard to say if it is accurate or not. Depends on the context. |
| 11:10.51 | Imperios | Now I wonder what the symbols I made actually mean |
| 11:11.02 | Imperios | Like the circular seal represents the galaxy |
| 11:11.13 | Imperios | The gaps show that it is shattered |
| 11:11.28 | Imperios | Though I am not sure what is the hexagonal galaxy supposed to represent |
| 11:11.34 | Imperios | Other than that a hexagon looks pretty |
| 11:13.24 | Imperios | The four bits stand for the four Highlords |
| 11:13.46 | Imperios | The spiky bit in the center of the Highlord seal stands for their round table |
| 11:13.55 | drom_ | Hexagon = STOP |
| 11:13.57 | Imperios | The Lord Protector bit stands for the Seat of Light |
| 11:14.16 | Liquid_Ink | Hexagon =/= STOP |
| 11:14.19 | Imperios | drom_: "Andromeda, plz stop falling apart" |
| 11:14.22 | Liquid_Ink | Octogon = STOP |
| 11:14.24 | Imperios | It fits |
| 11:14.35 | drom_ | ops |
| 11:15.49 | Imperios | I also made a very basic map of post-Shattering Andromeda |
| 11:15.50 | Imperios | http://i.imgur.com/LSmTkE6.png |
| 11:16.05 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/d4LiXgR.png I made this recently |
| 11:16.33 | Imperios | drom_ plz do not look, it may trigger you |
| 11:16.39 | drom_ | Imperios: That makes NS almost dominant regional power of VI and XII |
| 11:17.27 | Liquid_Ink | I'm really behind on Sporewiki |
| 11:17.29 | Imperios | VI is mostl psychotic Zazane fighting one another |
| 11:17.36 | Liquid_Ink | What is this Shattering? |
| 11:17.54 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: Not your fault, I did not write much about the Shattering actually |
| 11:18.04 | Imperios | Like right now we just pretend it happened and are going to write about it later |
| 11:18.06 | drom_ | Imperios: I'm rather impressed that for one time internet was more accurate. |
| 11:18.13 | Imperios | It is Andromeda... well... shattering |
| 11:18.33 | Liquid_Ink | Physically or politically? |
| 11:18.36 | Imperios | Both |
| 11:18.58 | Imperios | As in Adaru blowing up -> reality-warping energy released -> the galaxy literally splits into pieces -> War and shit |
| 11:20.05 | Imperios | I is baguettes and a few crazy Zazane |
| 11:20.20 | Imperios | II is more Draconis |
| 11:20.24 | Imperios | III is Draconis + some cats |
| 11:20.30 | Imperios | IV is cats + rats |
| 11:20.37 | Imperios | V is rats + some tamer Zazane |
| 11:20.55 | Imperios | VI is Crazy Zazane + terrorists |
| 11:21.04 | drom_ | >not including NS |
| 11:21.04 | Imperios | VII is literally dead |
| 11:21.08 | Imperios | VIII is XHODDIES |
| 11:21.15 | Imperios | IX is literally nothing too |
| 11:21.20 | Imperios | X is Cyrannian |
| 11:21.25 | Imperios | And some Kicath too |
| 11:21.36 | Imperios | XI and XII is Tertamians |
| 11:21.56 | drom_ | Well. Where were the NS? |
| 11:22.06 | Liquid_Ink | Adaru is the project with the Artifacts, isn't it? |
| 11:22.16 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 11:22.17 | drom_ | pokes around on Imperios |
| 11:22.21 | Imperios | drom_: You tell me hur |
| 11:22.24 | Imperios | They are not on the map |
| 11:23.02 | drom_ | Ngh. Are you really convicing me to remake the map aren't you? |
| 11:23.15 | Liquid_Ink | So that failure causes the war and shit over "you wasted fucken' taxpayer's dollars on a bomb" |
| 11:24.16 | Imperios | More like the galaxy shattering causing masses of refugees fleeing the destroyed shattered |
| 11:24.31 | Imperios | +*to flee the destroyed star systems and closer to the centers of the galaxy |
| 11:24.38 | Imperios | *center |
| 11:25.13 | Imperios | Exacerbating the social inequality and causing the AGC to evolve into a more authoritarian institution |
| 11:25.22 | Imperios | *exacerbating social inequality |
| 11:25.45 | Imperios | Thus causing mass protests and eventually revolutionary movements |
| 11:26.14 | Liquid_Ink | Ah, I see |
| 11:26.43 | Imperios | And I came up with this BEFORE the refugee crisis in Europe hur |
| 11:29.17 | Liquid_Ink | Hurr |
| 11:29.36 | Liquid_Ink | Well, there is a rise in fascist groups in Europe right now, so it's valid |
| 11:30.20 | Imperios | I WAN' BRI'N TO BE 'BOU' BRI'ISH |
| 11:30.58 | Imperios | Maybe it's a natural thing |
| 11:31.15 | Imperios | Let the fascists and the more radical Muslims fight each other and eventually the dust settles |
| 11:31.42 | Imperios | Then again people like them are the ones who make integrating immigrants harder |
| 11:31.45 | Liquid_Ink | The fascists are too cowardly to actually go fight ISIS |
| 11:32.54 | Imperios | Yep |
| 11:37.33 | Liquid_Ink | Luckily in Australia the far right is too fractured and illiterate to actually cause any harm. |
| 11:37.50 | Liquid_Ink | But our moderate right is heading straight into fascist territory. |
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| 12:02.36 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: You mean Abbott and the like |
| 12:08.01 | Imperios | https://2ch.hk/po/src/14821962/14583825423860.jpg hur |
| 12:12.06 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, Abbott and Turnbull. Murdoch's puppets. |
| 12:12.20 | Liquid_Ink | Andyeah, that's America all right |
| 12:12.27 | Liquid_Ink | But I haven't given up on Bernie |
| 12:18.59 | Imperios | I know noone agrees with me on this channel but I think Bernie is kind of shifty |
| 12:21.45 | Liquid_Ink | How so? |
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| 12:30.54 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:40.53 | Imperios | He is not affected by the issues he seeks to fix himself |
| 12:41.12 | Imperios | He stands for the young and the unprivileged, whereas he is... well... neither |
| 12:44.18 | Liquid_Ink | So? |
| 12:44.46 | Liquid_Ink | I stand firmly for feminism, and fight any attack on women, but I am very firmly a man. |
| 12:45.44 | Imperios | Yes but you are not trying to use this as a political agenda |
| 12:46.03 | Liquid_Ink | He does have a history of putting himself in the way of authority in standing up for the unpriviledged; he was arrested for campaigning for black rights. |
| 12:46.08 | Imperios | True |
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| 12:46.36 | drom | HAAAAW |
| 12:46.45 | drom | NEEEEEEEEIGH |
| 12:47.25 | Liquid_Ink | I'm off now. |
| 12:47.47 | Liquid_Ink | Let us hope that Bernie, even if you do doubt his sincerity, beats Trump. |
| 12:51.04 | Imperios | TBH four years of Trump would be good |
| 12:51.38 | Imperios | Let America know how it feels to live under a crazy right-winger hur |
| 12:56.00 | drom | "four years" |
| 12:56.20 | drom | You mean inifinite term? |
| 13:05.06 | Imperios | THE UNITED STATES WILL BE REFORMED INTO THE FIRST AMERICAN EMPIRE |
| 13:07.27 | Imperios | drom: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/5e36a750c92771f59d520b3e10ae90fe3f0c635bb7466698e6f9d167fb7e70c2_1.jpg |
| 13:08.05 | drom | pft |
| 13:08.32 | Imperios | now ded |
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| 13:18.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:18.49 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
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| 13:43.06 | Xho | I AM SPU HEAR ME ROAR |
| 13:43.07 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 13:43.55 | Wormy_ | Thought I heard something |
| 13:44.06 | Xho | wasn't me |
| 13:46.05 | Xho | Definitely thinking about moving to Japan now |
| 13:54.48 | Xho | Looking at things about clothing in Japan |
| 13:54.54 | ImpyDroid | Disgusting |
| 13:55.13 | Xho | People of 180cm in height and taller apparently have a harder time in finding clothes that fit them |
| 13:55.17 | ImpyDroid | kill as many Japanese people as possible while there plz |
| 13:57.47 | ImpyDroid | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/In5rVBl.png How we celebrate St. Patrick's Day |
| 13:58.22 | Xho | >Veronika |
| 13:58.24 | Xho | Imp what r u doin |
| 13:59.06 | ImpyDroid | We keep in touch from time to time |
| 13:59.21 | Xho | >Fuck the British Army tbh it's more like the British Home Defence Force |
| 14:01.18 | Xho | Right brb |
| 14:02.04 | Xho | Oh wait maybe not |
| 14:02.33 | Xho | I have an idea for a Fantasyverse character in my mind but probably won't appear until Eschaton is finished |
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| 14:04.36 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:05.13 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 14:06.36 | Wormy_ | hey up |
| 14:06.44 | ImpyDroid | Monet Xho: http://i.imgur.com/LSmTkE6l.jpg So that is the potential division of post-Shattering Andromeda |
| 14:07.08 | Xho | "Not shattered enough" - Angazhar, [Name Your Year] |
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| 14:09.22 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I suppose there could be smaller fragments in between these? |
| 14:10.52 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
| 14:10.54 | ImpyDroid | Some of the political fragments are probably just bundles of smaller fragments |
| 14:11.15 | ImpyDroid | *Segmenta |
| 14:11.26 | ImpyDroid | Who are bundled together for convenience |
| 14:11.35 | ImpyDroid | And yeah smaller fragments in between these |
| 14:11.45 | Technobliterator | imp confirmed racist |
| 14:14.25 | ImpyDroid | It is not racist if I hate people that look like me hur |
| 14:14.41 | Technobliterator | pft |
| 14:15.21 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.21 | ImpyDroid | They are actually kind of swell |
| 14:15.54 | Technobliterator | dw |
| 14:15.58 | Technobliterator | I knew that you were kidding :p |
| 14:22.16 | OluapPlayer | Jo work on Loron stoof |
| 14:22.56 | Technobliterator | neva |
| 14:23.02 | Technobliterator | i'll see what I can do today |
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| 14:31.27 | Monet | Okay I'm confused at this titan who's jsut arrived |
| 14:32.21 | Monet | It is a toweringh humanoid made of fire that has wings...but emanates an rura of "giving and kindness" |
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| 14:34.32 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:36.19 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:39.54 | OluapPlayer | ew shoo |
| 14:51.38 | drom | Monet Dwarf Fortress? |
| 14:52.45 | Monet | drom: Aye |
| 14:53.27 | Monet | So far my only gripe is I keep finding worlds that have no weaponisable metals |
| 14:54.06 | Monet | sites, rather |
| 14:54.19 | Monet | My current site the only metal I can find is tin. |
| 14:56.23 | drom | Say, is it a metal titan? |
| 14:57.06 | Monet | Tundra. That's on fire. |
| 14:57.46 | drom | Oh no. It is actually fire |
| 14:58.15 | Monet | Yeah I'm sort of jumping between the two |
| 14:58.24 | drom | Titan - I'm alit with the spirit of kindness and giving. GIVING YOU DEATH. |
| 14:58.32 | Monet | Fortunately I planned to build a massive water tank above the gatehouse of my mai nfort. |
| 14:58.51 | Monet | Before this thing arrived |
| 14:59.13 | Monet | Last night my fortress was stormed by a desert titan that tok the form of a titanic one-eyed fire-breathing pheasant. |
| 14:59.29 | Monet | That erm... |
| 14:59.48 | Monet | Ended up burning away any all of its own body fat. |
| 14:59.58 | drom | And exploded? |
| 15:00.13 | Monet | No it was still alive |
| 15:00.29 | drom | iirc in DF any creature can explode if they reach a certain body temperature |
| 15:00.38 | Monet | Its head was split open, one leg was broken, I was kind of waiting it for it to die. |
| 15:00.48 | drom | Fair enough hur |
| 15:01.25 | Monet | Its breath also burned down half the forest around my fortress |
| 15:02.28 | Monet | It beelined for my entrance and yet it did a Californian Summer on the area. |
| 15:02.47 | drom | I can recall when I got attacked by a dragon once, after its slaught on the surface level it chased a cat that was alit, but still alive. The dragon breathed on it twice before I saw the cat's demise - in an explosion. |
| 15:03.42 | drom | So it turned out the cat's blood reached a temperature where it would be instantly gaseous and therefore exploded by the sheer pressure |
| 15:03.45 | Monet | Well dragonfire *is* the hottest thing in the game |
| 15:03.51 | drom | Yes. |
| 15:04.16 | drom | You can even have "dragonfire" as the temperature in DF's object testing arena |
| 15:04.31 | Monet | You missed me describing the fortress last night |
| 15:04.32 | Monet | There were some brilliant murals dotted about |
| 15:04.41 | drom | Oh? |
| 15:05.45 | Monet | One master engraver carved her arrival story in the mayor's office and several public murals depict adminstrators being less-than-ceremoniously losing their jobs. |
| 15:06.55 | Monet | Two I can recall are a book=keeper pleading for acceptance aafterb eing replaced on a collonade, and in the tavern there's a mural of an expedition leader being replaced, utterly confused. |
| 15:08.02 | Monet | On one artifact there's a kaolinite depiction of a forgotten beast, one of the kingdom's barons and a floodgate, in that order. |
| 15:08.54 | Monet | THis artifact was a crown made of kaolinite (so a chalk-looking crown) adorned with spikes made out of tin. |
| 15:09.58 | Monet | That's the one thing I did like about my site: I could make *huge* amounts of porcelain. |
| 15:11.33 | drom | I see. |
| 15:11.59 | drom | The only disappointment I've so far now is Absolute Zero does not instantly freeze bum-naked humans |
| 15:12.06 | Monet | So much that once I got going. my dwarves were eating and drinking out of sets of fine china. |
| 15:13.06 | Xho | So I've played a bit of The Witcher now |
| 15:13.12 | Xho | I have no clue what's going on |
| 15:13.24 | drom | Monet: http://i.imgur.com/g5nQT2N.png There we go! |
| 15:13.41 | Monet | Xho: It helps to know the story of the previous two games |
| 15:13.49 | Xho | I'm playing the first one |
| 15:14.08 | Monet | Oh I thought you meant III |
| 15:14.23 | Monet | Well it's lucky Geralt has amnesia so you're not aloen lol |
| 15:15.54 | Monet | drom: One of these things is not like the others, one of these things died (somewhat) painlessly. |
| 15:19.25 | Xho | On the other hand I've started to work on Khaadun's model again |
| 15:19.29 | Xho | His mask is quite freakyn ow |
| 15:19.31 | Xho | freaky now |
| 15:21.56 | Monet | "the Forests or Boring" I love DF's name generator |
| 15:22.18 | Monet | Then aain because English they could mean the action kind of boring |
| 15:23.55 | Monet | I remmeber one of my early location names back when I first tried the game out was "the forests of stabbing" |
| 15:25.36 | drom | Monet: I pitch 4 Magma men versus a dragon above a magma pool. |
| 15:25.47 | drom | One minute later > "Dragon 1 has drowned" |
| 15:27.58 | Monet | I've heard stories of suicidal dragons |
| 15:29.22 | drom | Monet: https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/4ax994/dwarf_fortress_will_be_a_launch_title_for_oculus/ |
| 15:32.03 | Xho | wat |
| 15:35.44 | Monet | bbl |
| 15:43.07 | Xho | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f5/KhaadunProgressFace.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319154241 So that's Khaadun's face so far |
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| 15:59.07 | drom | Monet: I finished reading Neuromancer last night. |
| 15:59.30 | drom | I must say I did enjoy reading it. |
| 16:00.12 | drom | Now I'm uncertain which book to read next. |
| 16:08.17 | Impaway | \ |
| 16:08.38 | Impaway | Hachiman Monet Xho: http://s019.radikal.ru/i609/1203/3c/cce221ab2860.jpg |
| 16:23.40 | Xho | i knew it |
| 16:30.29 | Impaway | Xho: So I was reading etymological dictionaries yesterday |
| 16:30.34 | Impaway | You know the word "shahid" right |
| 16:30.51 | Xho | Yes |
| 16:31.38 | Impaway | So apparently its original meaning before it came to mean "martyr" and "suicide bomber" was |
| 16:31.45 | Impaway | "Witness" |
| 16:32.47 | Xho | oh god no |
| 16:33.56 | Impaway | *oh Allah no |
| 16:41.04 | Impaway | So apparently the word "Allah" has a female form, which would be al-?ilahah |
| 16:41.23 | Impaway | I'd rather not think more about it |
| 16:43.53 | Wormy_away | I prefer "Squadallah" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-gIboHXRm0 |
| 16:45.41 | Charles_Murray | Started work on this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#Member_States |
| 16:47.56 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.42 | Monet | I like how the French Empire maintains several types of government |
| 16:50.05 | Technobliterator | Charles_Murray, have you ever heard of the concept of a "basic income"? |
| 16:50.22 | Technobliterator | I read about it the other day, and thought it was interesting |
| 16:51.16 | Charles_Murray | I've definitely heard of the concept in various forms, but I've never actually heard it called that |
| 16:51.24 | Charles_Murray | Why do you ask? |
| 16:51.40 | Technobliterator | It was uh, "basic income" or I've heard it called "unconditional" income? |
| 16:51.49 | Technobliterator | I was wondering what you thought about it, or how viable it would be |
| 16:51.53 | Charles_Murray | Right, you're correct in using the term |
| 16:52.46 | Charles_Murray | Hm, well that depends on what you'd want to use it for, how you implement it, and what existing incentive systems there are. |
| 16:54.03 | Charles_Murray | If implemented poorly, giving someone an unconditional source of income, especially if it's above the poverty line, will remove the incentive for them to work. In France, for example, the unemployment rate has consistently been two or three percent higher than the United States at any portion in history due to social programs off of which people meek out an existence |
| 16:54.38 | Charles_Murray | Because if you get your salary from the state for not doing anything, there's no reason for you to get a job. That's how it works. |
| 16:54.48 | Technobliterator | Right, that's why I was curious as to how it could work |
| 16:55.22 | Charles_Murray | That's a very good question |
| 16:55.39 | Technobliterator | Because, surely if you give them a living wage unconditionally, then you just hurt growth |
| 16:56.06 | Charles_Murray | That's not quite true as a blanket statement, I'll get to that in a sec |
| 16:56.10 | Technobliterator | but if you give them a not-living wage, and it's replacing all form of benefits, then it just hurts people rather than helping them? |
| 16:56.19 | Technobliterator | yeah, like I said |
| 16:56.26 | Technobliterator | I have limited understanding of it beyond what I've read |
| 16:57.17 | Charles_Murray | Practically speaking, two questions come to mind when approaching this as an economic tool. (1) Where do you get the money? (2) Would it be better used elsewhere? |
| 16:57.46 | Monet | Aye. |
| 16:58.12 | DrodoEmpire | Oh wow |
| 16:58.15 | Technobliterator | Presumably, you'd get the money the same place you'd get a budget for benefits |
| 16:58.16 | DrodoEmpire | I left this on all night |
| 16:58.19 | DrodoEmpire | Whoops |
| 16:58.22 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 16:58.35 | Technobliterator | The second question is a more difficult one |
| 16:59.28 | Charles_Murray | Most countries are significantly in debt and the money simply isn't available; Often, a country is motivated to implement this kind of policy in order to garner votes, to promise an expansion of social welfare. A country like Greece, for example, borrowed much, much more than it could as parties tried to outdo each other > |
| 16:59.44 | Monet | The thing is with unconditional income is, unlike more regular forms of benefits, it applies to everyone. |
| 16:59.46 | Charles_Murray | in giving the most generous social programs |
| 17:00.02 | Charles_Murray | So the first question itself is a bit complicated |
| 17:00.03 | Monet | If you have a lot of people then that's a significant investment |
| 17:00.23 | Charles_Murray | For a lot of existing states, that is |
| 17:00.54 | Charles_Murray | Well, existing Western states with western institutions |
| 17:01.13 | Technobliterator | Yeah, but that's because of just being irresponsible with your budget and not balancing it against industrial growth |
| 17:02.31 | Monet | Not always |
| 17:02.44 | Charles_Murray | "Industrial growth" itself is quite difficult, given the nature of the global economy and what can be defined as growth |
| 17:02.48 | Technobliterator | definitely in places like the US and the UK |
| 17:02.52 | Technobliterator | the money does exist |
| 17:02.57 | Technobliterator | it just goes to the 1% |
| 17:03.04 | Charles_Murray | Er |
| 17:03.15 | Charles_Murray | Now we're leaving the territory of political economics |
| 17:03.29 | Technobliterator | and they are allowed to avoid paying a fairer share of taxes |
| 17:03.33 | Impaway | Politics |
| 17:03.41 | Impaway | Whatchueven talking about |
| 17:04.00 | Technobliterator | But I get that in other places the money is less likely to exist in abundance |
| 17:04.14 | Charles_Murray | It's... Much more complicated than that |
| 17:04.19 | Charles_Murray | Much, much, much |
| 17:04.38 | Technobliterator | I'm sure |
| 17:04.38 | Charles_Murray | More complicated than "the money exists, but it's in the wrong hands" |
| 17:04.56 | Technobliterator | I'm happy to learn more, because I haven't really studied the subject much until recently |
| 17:05.29 | Charles_Murray | Well, er. o.o I've taken three classes on this, I have no idea where to start |
| 17:06.44 | Charles_Murray | But one of the more glaring problems with that assessment is (1) that money is in private hands and is made legitimately through established public and private infrastructure by existing actors, and (2) if you clamp down on that money's ability to operate, it leaves the country |
| 17:07.12 | Charles_Murray | Due to how globalism and the mobility of people, capital, information, etc |
| 17:07.40 | Charles_Murray | So practically speaking, you -can't- tax the rich more because they will just leave |
| 17:08.00 | Charles_Murray | Nor can you tax corporations more because then they'll take their operations elsewhere |
| 17:11.31 | Charles_Murray | (You can tax them, but not a lot) |
| 17:11.31 | DrodoEmpire | Charles: Just a question, but what if you put somewhat heavy tariffs on foreign goods? This'd do a *lot* of things but might it also discourage corporations from taking their operations elsewhere? |
| 17:11.31 | Wormy_away | So are you saying a more socialist country would have industrials leaving? |
| 17:11.31 | Wormy_away | *industrialists |
| 17:11.31 | Charles_Murray | I'm saying that France has been doing this for the past administration, and all of the rich people have moved to Belgium |
| 17:11.31 | Wormy_away | Because there''s always unions to take over that role (not that I'm a socialist) |
| 17:11.32 | DrodoEmpire | As then it might be that its simply cheaper to stay and take the taxes then have to go through tariffs. Sounds like a bad idea in some ways as it probably won't work unless you're like the US and have the largest market in the world |
| 17:11.32 | Charles_Murray | Ugh, tariffs are also complicated |
| 17:11.32 | DrodoEmpire | I figured. XD Sorry |
| 17:11.32 | Charles_Murray | I took an entire class on those too >.< *facedesks* |
| 17:11.32 | Charles_Murray | Okay |
| 17:11.32 | Charles_Murray | Let's see |
| 17:11.32 | Charles_Murray | Tariffs is a tax on imports |
| 17:11.47 | Charles_Murray | And what is -basically- does is it protects your domestic industries by raising the price of foreign goods to the point where your industries can compete |
| 17:11.53 | Charles_Murray | You get the revenue, sure |
| 17:12.02 | Technobliterator | So, basically we're just enforcing my opinion that rich people are slimy, lazy, uncaring fucks who are interested in nothing other than their bloated ego and wealth. Whoooooo~ |
| 17:12.07 | Wormy_away | same |
| 17:12.22 | DrodoEmpire | Not really...? :p |
| 17:12.23 | Charles_Murray | That's an ideological statement, not a statement of how these systems work o.O |
| 17:13.21 | Technobliterator | yeah, I know |
| 17:13.23 | Technobliterator | I'm not saying you're wrong |
| 17:13.23 | Charles_Murray | There are many different ways to interpret this |
| 17:13.23 | DrodoEmpire | Rich people also *have* to exist for society to even function |
| 17:13.23 | Technobliterator | I'm just saying you're right and that it's unfair that we live in a world where you're right |
| 17:13.23 | Technobliterator | :P |
| 17:13.23 | Wormy_away | I don't know if the raplacement would work any better. Probably not actually, that's why the Labour Party failed so badly |
| 17:13.24 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire : But your citizens also pay a much higher price for the good you make domestically, and it's necessarily of a much lower quality |
| 17:14.15 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire : Do this across enough sectors, and you're seriously hampering growth relative to the rest of the world because not only are you not taking advantage of economies of scale, you're producing things you're not going to be very good at |
| 17:14.35 | Charles_Murray | And thus paying so, so much more than the rest of the world for it |
| 17:14.36 | Charles_Murray | And you're also pissing off the rest of the world |
| 17:14.54 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 17:15.18 | Xho | Khaadun's got some crazy ass Dark Souls style helmet now |
| 17:15.25 | Charles_Murray | India and Brazil did this in the latter half of the 20th century in an effort to break off their dependency to foreign markets, and what followed was decades of stagnation |
| 17:15.30 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I had a few doubts myself as I always hear left-leaning people say "more protectionism! More protectionism!" |
| 17:15.52 | Technobliterator | I don't agree with protectionism much |
| 17:16.07 | DrodoEmpire | Which isn't much better than conservatives handwaving economic and social problems with the magical "free market" |
| 17:16.16 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 17:16.29 | Technobliterator | I just believe in having a regulated free market |
| 17:16.35 | DrodoEmpire | Same here |
| 17:16.45 | DrodoEmpire | Actually speaking of which |
| 17:17.06 | Charles_Murray | The political, ideological, and social conversation tends to happen in a very different level, and happens much more in the abstract, when compared to how these systems actually work |
| 17:17.19 | Charles_Murray | conversation about these issues* |
| 17:17.43 | DrodoEmpire | I have a lot of friends who consider themselves right-wing, and they claim that monopolies always or most of the time arise due to government meddling and intervention |
| 17:17.52 | Wormy_away | One thing I do think we need, is more control where our taxes go. I know we sort of do through democratic process, but it's not enough. The Conservatives in my town cut funding to a free kitchen for families in need because they didn't believe poor people lived in my town. They even cut funding to a charity that allows kids to swap toys. |
| 17:18.05 | Technobliterator | Or they arise because companies like Microsoft are shitty and anti-competitive |
| 17:18.13 | DrodoEmpire | As opposed to the natural process of a free market |
| 17:18.20 | Technobliterator | In that case, were it not for government meddling, Apple wouldn't still exist |
| 17:18.31 | Technobliterator | say what you like about Apple |
| 17:18.39 | Technobliterator | but if you ask me that's stupid |
| 17:18.51 | Technobliterator | I only passively tolerate it because Bill Gates is a genuinely great guy |
| 17:18.57 | Technobliterator | his company is not |
| 17:19.01 | Wormy_away | People have tried to voice their concern to the Conservative council, supposedly democratic, but never actually listened to. |
| 17:19.02 | DrodoEmpire | Is there any truth to that idea Charles_Murray? |
| 17:19.32 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_away: I feel that democracy has gotten to the point that all involved sorta take it for granted :p |
| 17:19.41 | DrodoEmpire | Nobody seems to vote anymore |
| 17:19.45 | Technobliterator | I feel like |
| 17:19.51 | DrodoEmpire | And politicians don't really seem to care |
| 17:19.54 | Technobliterator | people in power don't care for the purpose of democracy |
| 17:19.55 | Wormy_away | So my question to you is, could we have a system that allowed us to have more control on where taxes are spent, and what would be the consequences? |
| 17:20.11 | Technobliterator | Once they get voted in, they become a fascist dictatorship until their turn ends |
| 17:20.17 | Charles_Murray | Which idea? DrodoEmpire? |
| 17:20.31 | Technobliterator | when they can spew rhetoric and propaganda to be a dictatorship again |
| 17:20.34 | DrodoEmpire | The idea that monopolies only arise from government meddling/intervention |
| 17:20.41 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a dictatorship chill |
| 17:20.56 | Charles_Murray | Er |
| 17:21.08 | DrodoEmpire | If it *were* a dictatorship then you'd know :p |
| 17:21.40 | DrodoEmpire | (Keep in mind I don't agree with the idea Charles. I just hear it a lot from my conservative friends) |
| 17:22.17 | Charles_Murray | The government can set up public infrastructure (money, property laws, labor laws, regulations, etc) in which corporate entities have an incentive to establish monopolies |
| 17:22.22 | Technobliterator | I would say it's a dictatorship when a reporter informs Dick Cheney that the majority of people overwhelmingly oppose a war, and he responds with "so what?" |
| 17:22.43 | Charles_Murray | Or they can set up systems in which they have incentives to compete |
| 17:22.48 | Impaway | I am too lazy to read |
| 17:22.53 | Impaway | Gusy, what are you talking about? |
| 17:23.04 | Impaway | I see that taxes are being discussed, as well as unemployment |
| 17:23.06 | Technobliterator | "hah, I don't need your vote anymore, now I don't care about what you want" |
| 17:23.38 | Impaway | I personally doubt that a dictator can so easily come into power, at least in the US or the UK |
| 17:23.55 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : The Bush administration and the Iraq War was much more involved and complex than that |
| 17:23.57 | Impaway | As in you both have long-standing democratic, or at least oligarchical, traditions |
| 17:24.05 | Charles_Murray | Why do I feel like a broken record? ; . ; |
| 17:24.14 | Impaway | Charles_Murray: As in? |
| 17:24.33 | Technobliterator | he means that he repeats himself a lot saying "xyz is more complicated than you are making it out" |
| 17:24.33 | Monet | Technobliterator: It's not a dictatorship because he still required the majority support of a few hundred people within COngress. |
| 17:24.36 | Technobliterator | particularly to me |
| 17:24.48 | Technobliterator | because I tend to oversimplify and overexaggerate things |
| 17:24.52 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire : I hope that makes sense? |
| 17:25.12 | Impaway | > I tend to oversimplify and overexaggerate things |
| 17:25.12 | Impaway | WOMEN |
| 17:25.20 | Charles_Murray | *punts Impy* |
| 17:25.30 | Impaway | Just kidding lol |
| 17:25.43 | Charles_Murray | But my own forays into that subject have also led me to be baffled by neoconservative policy, so there's that |
| 17:25.57 | Technobliterator | Monet, you mean Congressman who no longer care what the population want or think now that they don't need their vote anymore |
| 17:26.02 | Technobliterator | this is true |
| 17:26.03 | Impaway | I mean there are women who oversimplify and overexaggerate things |
| 17:26.06 | Impaway | As exemplified by Jo |
| 17:26.14 | Impaway | But some do not, and they are <3 |
| 17:26.16 | Technobliterator | there are men who do that too, Imp |
| 17:26.17 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray: Sorta yeah. Not the "yes or no" answer I was hoping for but at this point I understand that such answers are hard to come by |
| 17:26.17 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 17:26.35 | Impaway | Technobliterator: Off course |
| 17:26.45 | Impaway | I am just being particularily un-PC today |
| 17:26.56 | Impaway | Now back to the discussion |
| 17:27.12 | Impaway | As I understand it modern-day US are essentially an oligarchical government |
| 17:27.14 | Charles_Murray | Technoblitarator : (Not conservative writ large, mind you. There were some very, very thoughtful Republicans in the Bush administration who vouched for thoughtful policy. And then there was a close-knit, ideologically driven group called the neoconservatives, and the invasion of Iraq was their ideological project) |
| 17:27.26 | Charles_Murray | Which really, really, really, really was a disaster |
| 17:27.32 | Impaway | As far as I know, the Iraq War was not Bush's decision alone |
| 17:27.35 | Monet | Technobliterator: Yes because the definition of a dictatorship is a country ruled by the authority of one person. "one person and 300 false representatives" is at best an oligarchy. |
| 17:27.38 | Wormy_away | Discussions of politics and economics can go on SporeWiki without Imperios's in-PC blessing. |
| 17:27.42 | Wormy_away | *Un-PC |
| 17:27.50 | Wormy_away | *cannot go on |
| 17:27.59 | Technobliterator | It was also the decision of several Democrats, yes |
| 17:28.09 | Technobliterator | people who also did not care that the war was completely illegal |
| 17:28.29 | Impaway | He was influenced by a group of his advisors, who were ideologically influenced and believed that peace in the Middle East should be forced |
| 17:28.39 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 17:28.46 | Charles_Murray | Impy's on to something this time |
| 17:29.11 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : One of the reasons democracy is a blunt instrument in these kinds of things is that voters just didn't know, and they still don't know |
| 17:29.13 | Technobliterator | I believe it was just about their own profits |
| 17:29.15 | Impaway | They were pretty much - even though I loathe the word - Islamophobic |
| 17:29.33 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : That's blatantly not true |
| 17:29.53 | Technobliterator | I believe they had a lot of money to earn from the war and from draining the Middle East of its resources, so they went in without thinking about it |
| 17:29.55 | Wormy_away | They also had an over-simplified view of politics, which meant that they did not prepare for the unpredictable instabilities that ensued. |
| 17:29.56 | Technobliterator | that's why they made lies |
| 17:29.57 | Impaway | Now after Bush left, Obama picked advisors who feared to act in the Middle East |
| 17:30.05 | Technobliterator | about how there were supposedly weapons of mass destruction |
| 17:30.09 | Impaway | OR rather wanted to act but sought to do so more deliberately |
| 17:30.13 | Charles_Murray | Technoblierator : *facedesk* |
| 17:30.21 | Monet | That's like boiling the Crusades down to "the Pope wanted less muslims in the world" |
| 17:30.22 | Impaway | I'd repeat |
| 17:30.27 | Impaway | CERTAIN WOMEN AND CERTAIN MEN TOO |
| 17:30.32 | Impaway | ^ See PC now |
| 17:31.01 | Wormy_away | I'm sure resources probably are part of the explanation, but not the whole |
| 17:31.22 | Technobliterator | Maybe that was one of the things that factored into it |
| 17:31.24 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah there's an issue even in history of trying to explain things through the view of resources |
| 17:31.45 | Impaway | As far as I understand the current Obama policy is influenced by specialist who follow the postmodernist school of thought and are not so keen on military solutions |
| 17:31.57 | Impaway | I.e SJWs basically |
| 17:32.08 | Technobliterator | But for the most part, they just spewed lies and nationalist rhetoric and tried to bully people into supporting the war being calling them weak and unpatriotic if they didn't, as usual |
| 17:32.13 | Wormy_away | Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film)#Narrative |
| 17:32.18 | Impaway | Well, SJWs in that they follow a similar ideology to people we call SJWs |
| 17:32.20 | DrodoEmpire | I mean its hard to explain some of the more illogical actions in ancient history through the view of changing climate and resources trading hands. :p |
| 17:32.31 | Wormy_away | Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares |
| 17:32.39 | Technobliterator | And these are reasons I personally believe they were burying the real reasons they want to go to war |
| 17:32.46 | Wormy_away | My view is that politicians overly-simplify things. |
| 17:32.50 | Technobliterator | which were just their desire to force peace and to earn a lot of profits from it |
| 17:32.56 | Impaway | Technobliterator: Yes there was profit in the Middle East but there were also potential problems |
| 17:33.04 | Charles_Murray | Aaaand now we've fully left the realm of political science |
| 17:33.10 | Impaway | There are also reasons Bush decided to take a risk |
| 17:33.12 | Charles_Murray | I'm going to go drive my sister somewhere, gtg |
| 17:33.25 | Technobliterator | sorry for derailing the discusion |
| 17:33.26 | Technobliterator | :p |
| 17:33.28 | Technobliterator | despite starting it |
| 17:33.29 | Impaway | PLS COME BACK CHARLES |
| 17:34.24 | Impaway | Monet: As far as I understand, Europe at the time was actually quite scared of Muslim conquests, so they operated by fear |
| 17:34.33 | Impaway | *afraid |
| 17:34.35 | Impaway | As in the Crusades |
| 17:34.49 | Monet | I've considered calling this the Illuminati Rule. |
| 17:35.01 | Impaway | So it was a way to get some profits + a way to unify the people against a common enemy |
| 17:35.30 | Impaway | I mean if you think about it, the Islamic world at the same time was basically encircling Europe from land |
| 17:35.41 | Monet | Impaway: One of the factors I think was a Muslim-led adminstration of Jereuselum barred christian pilgrimage into the city. |
| 17:35.50 | Impaway | Of course |
| 17:36.05 | Impaway | Though it was not so much Muslim-led administration as it was the chaos caused by the Seljuk conquests |
| 17:36.17 | Impaway | The Abbasids let piligrims in |
| 17:36.21 | Impaway | Sometimes at least |
| 17:36.21 | Wormy_away | Technobliterator: I think many Neocons probably did believe there were weapons of mass destruction, which makes everything even scarier than if they were out-right lying. They believed their own myth |
| 17:36.26 | Impaway | They profited from it too |
| 17:36.37 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 17:36.52 | Impaway | Speaking of conservatives, I actually wonder what will happen to the US if Trump wins |
| 17:37.03 | Technobliterator | if you repeat a lie often enough, it'll sound like the truth |
| 17:37.04 | Impaway | Like imagine how it would affect the following political climate |
| 17:37.18 | Technobliterator | Well, Imp, Trump's policies are all over the place |
| 17:37.18 | Impaway | It will either turn America into Amereich for years to come |
| 17:37.30 | Wormy_away | This has happened before. Economists in the West believed that the economy could regulate itself into stability, while it actually was unpredictable. |
| 17:37.36 | Impaway | Or completely discredit the right turning America into Commierica hur |
| 17:38.01 | Impaway | Actually the latter would be good for the US |
| 17:38.01 | Technobliterator | Trump is actually liberal on some talking points |
| 17:38.06 | Technobliterator | He's just far right on most of them |
| 17:38.09 | Technobliterator | like foreing policy |
| 17:38.17 | Technobliterator | with "torture people even if it doesn't work" |
| 17:38.18 | Impaway | Let them understand what it is like to live ruled by a crazy batshit dictator |
| 17:38.22 | Impaway | KNOW OUR PAIN |
| 17:38.23 | Technobliterator | and "kick out all the illegals" |
| 17:38.23 | Technobliterator | etc |
| 17:38.52 | Technobliterator | But on issues like trade, and healthcare, he tends to make liberal talking points |
| 17:38.56 | Technobliterator | which is why he is just insane |
| 17:38.58 | Technobliterator | and all over the place |
| 17:39.04 | Impaway | This is hardly insane |
| 17:39.08 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4a/KhaadunHelmet.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319173830 Well that's Khaadun's helmet more or less done |
| 17:39.13 | Impaway | IT is actually quite typical of many authoritarians |
| 17:39.19 | Technobliterator | oh nice |
| 17:39.20 | Technobliterator | xho |
| 17:39.22 | Monet | Mass appeal |
| 17:39.31 | Technobliterator | that thing looks cool |
| 17:39.43 | Monet | Trump's a media mogul, he knows what peopel like to see and hear. |
| 17:39.46 | Impaway | Hitler for example used some leftie ideas like worker unions, but gave them a nationalist twist |
| 17:39.54 | Impaway | Hence National SOCIALISM |
| 17:40.09 | Technobliterator | oh, he did provide everyone a car with Volkswagen |
| 17:40.13 | Impaway | "See, ve iz NATIONALIST RIGHT but ve iz also COMMIE" |
| 17:40.13 | Monet | Or rather, Trump knows what sort of behaviour will make hi mthe most talked-about candidate |
| 17:40.14 | Technobliterator | I have no idea how that turned out for them |
| 17:40.22 | Wormy_away | The Authortarian Left definitely exists as well. |
| 17:40.27 | Technobliterator | of course |
| 17:40.29 | Impaway | Oh wait I forgot you actually respect Hitler hur |
| 17:40.33 | Impaway | LITHUANIANS |
| 17:40.33 | Technobliterator | pft |
| 17:40.36 | Technobliterator | pffffffft |
| 17:40.43 | Technobliterator | what makes you think I respect Hitler |
| 17:40.50 | Wormy_away | Because he's racist |
| 17:41.07 | Technobliterator | I am the most |
| 17:41.15 | Technobliterator | vocally anti racist person here |
| 17:41.16 | Technobliterator | like |
| 17:41.19 | Technobliterator | ._. |
| 17:41.19 | Impaway | I remember you said you approved of some of his more tolerant policies |
| 17:41.22 | Technobliterator | No? |
| 17:41.22 | Impaway | *more moderate policies |
| 17:41.30 | Imperios | Or was it someone else |
| 17:41.39 | Wormy_away | Imperios: I know you are joking btw |
| 17:41.48 | Imperios | Joking regarding what |
| 17:42.04 | Imperios | When I am being racist/sexist/homophobic? |
| 17:42.04 | Technobliterator | I don't think it's absurd to say that it's not completely black and white as that |
| 17:42.06 | Wormy_away | Jo is Lithuanian > Thus she loves Hitler |
| 17:42.12 | Wormy_away | You can't be serious |
| 17:42.18 | Imperios | Well this is a stereotype in Russia |
| 17:42.27 | Technobliterator | and to say "just because the policy idea came from Hitler, it must be bad!" |
| 17:42.32 | Imperios | Lithuanians in general think somewhat highly of the Nazis |
| 17:42.36 | TekDroid | ...well this escalated quickly. |
| 17:42.44 | Technobliterator | It's like how the GOP basically disprove of any policy as soon as it came from Obama |
| 17:42.47 | Imperios | Because their occupation, compared to OUR occupation, was milder - to them, at least |
| 17:42.53 | Monet | I blame Imp for playing Godwin's Law. |
| 17:42.54 | Technobliterator | Imperios, my family left Lithuania because of that reason |
| 17:42.58 | Imperios | So Nazis are the lesser evil |
| 17:42.59 | Imperios | Oh |
| 17:43.03 | Imperios | Wait you mean commies |
| 17:43.05 | Imperios | Or Nazis |
| 17:43.12 | Technobliterator | It was that reason, and communism, that we left the country |
| 17:43.20 | TekDroid | Monet: Yay Godwin's law. Straight from political discussion to Hitler. |
| 17:43.33 | Technobliterator | And struggled to get jobs in England for decades |
| 17:43.44 | Imperios | See we were doing the right thing |
| 17:43.51 | Imperios | Kicking Jo to the UK so she could write pages |
| 17:43.57 | Imperios | Oluap would be pleased |
| 17:44.19 | Imperios | Right I guess I can bring another authoritarian ruler |
| 17:44.26 | Imperios | Rather than Hitler |
| 17:44.33 | Imperios | ...Putin |
| 17:44.35 | Imperios | Yeah Putin |
| 17:44.48 | Wormy_away | Bring some SJW's to power |
| 17:45.05 | Wormy_away | They are what part of what I consider the Authoritarian Left |
| 17:45.10 | Imperios | Putin is, in general, right-leaning, but also introduced certain leftist politics as remnants of the USSR |
| 17:45.17 | Imperios | That he restored |
| 17:45.29 | Imperios | And generally seeks support from the common people |
| 17:45.42 | Imperios | Then again, Russian left and right are slightly different |
| 17:45.50 | Imperios | From Europe's left and right and America's left and right |
| 17:46.05 | Wormy_away | Even Europe and America have different ideas |
| 17:46.33 | Wormy_away | Most of our Conservatives are left wingers in comparison to Republicans |
| 17:46.47 | Imperios | The US in general is very right-leaning |
| 17:47.04 | Imperios | But they also support further economical freedom, which in our country is more of a liberal thing |
| 17:47.10 | Wormy_away | Bernie Sanders considers himself a "Democratic Socialist", but he looks like a social democrat to me. |
| 17:47.59 | Wormy_away | It's like there's no distinction of social democracy and democratic socialism in the US, while in the UK Labour Party, there are strong proponents of either. |
| 17:48.54 | Wormy_away | Imperios: Well Libertarianism is highly individualist, and quite right wing in many respects. In fact, so is many forms of anarchism |
| 17:49.48 | Wormy_away | I think Libertarian Right and Authoritarian Left make the classic left to right wing spectrum quite confusing |
| 17:50.28 | Wormy_away | I'm a leftist, but I am highly individualist, that's why I get so irritated by left politics |
| 17:52.06 | Wormy_away | I'm tempted to say I'm a libtertarian, but I find the right lib beliefs despicable and unrealistic |
| 17:53.11 | Cyrannian | Given the two party system in the US, it makes sense that there's far more internal variation with regard to policies when compared with a European party. |
| 17:53.11 | Wormy_away | It's like they go on and on about weakening the oppression of police and government, not realising the real strangel-holds are from Mr. Monopoly which they believe in so strongly |
| 17:57.27 | Technobliterator | Cyrannian, Imperios, will either of you guys be able to follow up on your Reckoning fronts? :o |
| 17:57.58 | Technobliterator | I need to add to the Reckoning today, but I need other people to move all four of the Fronts |
| 17:58.00 | Technobliterator | :c |
| 17:59.05 | Cyrannian | Should be able to, though I'll need some pointers |
| 18:03.36 | Technobliterator | Well, I imagine the fleet commander Aver Kuestantine starts to get involved, and wins a space skirmish and then a land battle against the Loron despite them winning everywhere else. He could maybe be probing the fleet to test what their weaknesses are and try to slow them down so he can stop them before they reach Mou'Cyan |
| 18:03.43 | Technobliterator | In the ones after that, they'll start defeating the warbosses |
| 18:09.44 | Cyrannian | Sounds good, I'll need to make him in Spore too |
| 18:10.05 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Virgon#Inhabitants - Space Jurassic Britain |
| 18:20.53 | Imperios | Technobliterator: tomorrow yep |
| 18:22.08 | Technobliterator | works for me |
| 18:24.25 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Virgon#Albionis - Take a look |
| 18:25.58 | Technobliterator | your planets are so detailed |
| 18:26.00 | Technobliterator | aaaaaah |
| 18:26.25 | Technobliterator | this must have taken you ages |
| 18:26.27 | Technobliterator | nice work |
| 18:28.07 | Cyrannian | There's only three unique buildings in that Palace, so I just copy-and-pasted a lot |
| 18:29.11 | Cyrannian | *four buildings |
| 18:32.31 | Cyrannian | brb |
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| 18:32.48 | LuxorHere | Aye |
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| 18:37.15 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:38.28 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:211434 |
| 18:38.50 | DrodoEmpire | Somebody could use some advice on Spore. I'm not sure myself so I can't answer |
| 18:39.27 | The_Randomness | I would assume it's the same as other versions of Windows, but I don't do modding or use Windows 8 myself |
| 18:39.34 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 18:40.24 | Imperios | annexes LuxorHere |
| 18:41.09 | Imperios | Cyrannian: The Sacred Dvottie |
| 18:41.48 | Imperios | Holy shit I did actually annex him |
| 18:41.58 | Imperios | Alow cozy Britain |
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| 18:42.58 | LuxorHere | Stupid net. Hey again |
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| 19:11.28 | Wormy_away | Cyrannian|Away: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=583993701754258&set=p.583993701754258&type=3&theater |
| 19:12.44 | Wormy_away | ah, don't think that one is public |
| 19:14.06 | Wormy_away | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/10177390_583993701754258_1601221125812326717_n.jpg?oh=f27108b9f0e52a89b6c8bcaa3f70f0be&oe=5755F59B |
| 19:16.06 | Cyrannian|Away | olol |
| 19:16.10 | Wormy_away | Technobliterator: http://imgur.com/gallery/vC0JirR |
| 19:17.53 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/YwGvz |
| 19:17.53 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10391804_1164269500263592_7679495793651068496_n.jpg?oh=f00715fae856814e924654aa9c8e88e1&oe=57803992 Pelagrios |
| 19:21.08 | Wormy_away | Xho: "When the brutality is just right" http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/073/638/943.png |
| 19:21.50 | Xho | brutal |
| 19:22.01 | Xho | And it actually looks like Nathan Explosion as well |
| 19:24.00 | Cyrannian|Away | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/dd/Aver_Kuestantine.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319192228 - Pretty happy with how this turned out, Technobliterator c dis |
| 19:25.53 | Imperios | Apparently Slavs worshipped a god called "Lel" |
| 19:26.57 | Xho | lel |
| 19:28.53 | Wormy_away | students from my first university calculated how long it would take for a vampire to drain all the blood from your neck http://phys.org/news/2016-03-fluid-dynamics-quickly-vampire-blood.html |
| 19:29.49 | The_Randomness | heh |
| 19:31.20 | Wormy_away | http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/physics/physics-special-topics |
| 19:32.55 | Wormy_away | Reminds me of how some SporeWiki physics discussions go here |
| 19:38.23 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAY9CNkKOsg How to offend everyone |
| 19:43.23 | Technobliterator | Cyrannian|Away, nice :o |
| 19:43.38 | Technobliterator | Wormy_away, lmao |
| 19:43.41 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
| 19:49.00 | Wormy_away | So Irskaad has a job now (He said I can post it here) |
| 19:51.02 | Xho | dafuq |
| 19:52.19 | Wormy_away | Frozen seafood warehouse |
| 19:55.01 | Monet | Its nice to hear his life might start turning around |
| 19:59.07 | Imperios | He got a job before me |
| 19:59.11 | Imperios | I am in envy |
| 19:59.14 | Imperios | In envy |
| 19:59.24 | Imperios | IN ENVY OF IRSK |
| 19:59.28 | Imperios | WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK |
| 20:01.05 | Technobliterator | imp |
| 20:01.06 | Technobliterator | are you not like |
| 20:01.10 | Technobliterator | a decade younger than him |
| 20:02.09 | Monet | Imperios: As a university student I'd say you are pardoned. |
| 20:02.22 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Only like two or three years |
| 20:02.38 | Imperios | I could in theory get a job as a translator |
| 20:02.41 | Imperios | I mean I know four languages |
| 20:03.03 | Imperios | But I'll probably just be a very specific kind of programmer |
| 20:05.27 | Imperios | The Google Translate kind of programmer |
| 20:05.38 | Imperios | Yes I know this is hardly a glamorous job |
| 20:06.01 | Imperios | With luck, I will get into MUHRICA and spend my life perfecting this fucking abomination |
| 20:06.11 | The_Randomness | That actually sounds pretty cool |
| 20:06.15 | Imperios | (by abomination I mean Google Translate) |
| 20:06.57 | Imperios | The_Randomness: It's basically systems and hierarchies |
| 20:07.11 | Imperios | And automation |
| 20:07.19 | Imperios | Then again |
| 20:08.10 | Imperios | Considering that we deal with human/machine communication, the highest point of our studies is basically artificial intelligence |
| 20:08.42 | Imperios | But I'm too dumb/lazy to become THAT kind of researcher |
| 20:10.40 | Imperios | so unfortunately I won't make Ultron |
| 20:11.09 | The_Randomness | :P |
| 20:11.57 | Imperios | Actually imagine Age of Ultron but if he spoke with a TTS voice |
| 20:12.03 | Imperios | Ultron that is |
| 20:17.15 | Wormy_away | I think Irskaad has beaten just about us all on getting a job |
| 20:17.24 | Wormy_away | Except Spu |
| 20:17.34 | Wormy_away | and Catface |
| 20:17.44 | Monet | Recently YouTube has been filled with adverts for IBM's Watson intelligence. |
| 20:18.06 | Imperios | Irsk |
| 20:18.09 | Imperios | IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRSK |
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| 20:18.41 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:18.53 | Wormy_away | Yeah, but most strong AGI researchers and cognitive scientists dismiss Watson and Alpha Go as a complex search engine |
| 20:19.00 | Wormy_away | hello |
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| 20:20.02 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:20.03 | Monet | It sounds like that's what they're trying since the adverts focus on its ability to read large quantities of sites and documents |
| 20:20.04 | Wormy_ | Hello |
| 20:20.46 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/710816041060925440 https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/710126376351879168 |
| 20:21.05 | Imperios | Hi |
| 20:21.20 | Imperios | Wormy_away: Well search engines and artificial intelligences are closely interrelated |
| 20:21.30 | Imperios | As in they both fall under computational linguistics |
| 20:22.22 | Wormy_ | I understand, yes. And these programs demonstrate the ability to learn, albeit not like the way humans think however. We are a long way from that. |
| 20:23.21 | Wormy_ | The thing about the human mind, is that it is a fuzzy, vacuous thing where all the logical coimplexity happens at a lower unconscious level |
| 20:23.45 | Wormy_ | We don't know how it emerges from that yet |
| 20:23.52 | Ghelae | The comment of "creativity is a spectrum" seems almost like a reasonable response. AIs like this can be said to think and use creativity, but in such a narrow sense that it's arguably not worth calling it that. |
| 20:28.35 | Wormy_ | That's right. And it's important to remember that while humans have always had the ability to be creeative, we have not always used it, going through long spells of stasis through the same processes that harbour creativity |
| 20:30.34 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure if any human being is so boundlessly creative (though human creativity as a whole may be). Stone Age Man's creativity was restrained by the knowledge, time and resources they had, so is probably mine and yours.It's like creativity has to evolve with us |
| 20:31.36 | Wormy_ | I won't come up with any mathematical proofs tomorrow, so we shouldn't expect AI's not capable of it *now* not being able to do so later |
| 20:31.57 | Wormy_ | But it still might be being creative in limits |
| 20:39.26 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, I had a job earlier :c |
| 20:39.50 | Wormy_ | Oh right, yes, yoiu did, |
| 20:46.21 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4a/KhaadunHelmet.png/revision/latest?cb=20160319173830 For those who haven't seen |
| 20:48.11 | Imperios | Monet: http://i.imgur.com/d4LiXgR.png Found this on my imgur |
| 20:48.22 | Imperios | I basically debunked that picture |
| 20:48.37 | Imperios | Xho: Great Gazelle Warrior |
| 20:48.56 | Monet | Imperios: I rememebr you linking it a few days ago |
| 20:49.03 | Imperios | Oh |
| 20:49.21 | Monet | I never associated the Burkha with INdia |
| 20:49.26 | The_Randomness | Is the bottom your corrected version? |
| 20:49.32 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 20:49.38 | The_Randomness | Nice |
| 20:50.15 | Imperios | Make no mistake I hate the Salafi fundies from Saudi Arabia though |
| 20:50.34 | Imperios | I am no gutless Islamic apologist |
| 20:50.36 | Imperios | Most of the time at least |
| 20:51.54 | The_Randomness | fundies from any religion are disgusting, but the Salafi fundies have actually caused problems |
| 20:54.38 | Imperios | REMOVE KEBAB but only if it spreads violent and hateful teachings and encourages other kebab to follow it |
| 20:55.14 | The_Randomness | :p |
| 20:56.57 | The_Randomness | So, REMOVE KEBAB*? |
| 20:57.12 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 20:57.16 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 20:58.54 | Imperios | REMOVE KEBAB* yes |
| 20:59.03 | Imperios | Remove kebab if it wants to remove me |
| 20:59.26 | Imperios | That's coming from a person who spent a little bit time trying to remove one particular kebab's virginity |
| 21:00.11 | Imperios | And no my head is still properly attached to my body |
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| 21:20.15 | Imperios | Hi |
| 21:20.18 | Imperios | Hachiman Monet: http://i.imgur.com/rUnSA6V.png |
| 21:20.21 | Imperios | Wormy_ too |
| 21:20.36 | Hachiman | hur |
| 21:20.49 | Hachiman | Funny cus it's accurate |
| 21:21.09 | Imperios | Big fakin Raymond of da East End Massiv's 'Ard Boyz Krew face off with the Earl Grey Knights CHAPter of the Space Marines. |
| 21:21.22 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:24.41 | Monet | Long-live the Quee-- I mean God-Emperor of Mankind! |
| 21:26.48 | Imperios | BTW Hachi |
| 21:26.55 | Imperios | Why did you still not quote System of a Dwarf |
| 21:28.41 | Hachiman | Oh, I forgot |
| 21:28.44 | Hachiman | Also that fucking name |
| 21:29.28 | Xho | sostom of a dorf |
| 21:32.50 | Imperios | I CRY WHEN ELVES DESERVE TO DIE |
| 21:33.11 | Imperios | Xho can leave a quote too |
| 21:33.24 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T'zukartu#Quotes ^.^ |
| 21:38.40 | Technobliterator | Imperios, y u no add to andromeda front |
| 21:40.12 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: Remind me, did we decide that Venoriel's title is "Generalissimus", "Generalissime", or "Generalissimo" |
| 21:40.18 | Imperios | Generalissime |
| 21:40.24 | Imperios | Stupid dots |
| 21:40.26 | Charles_Murray | Lord-Genéralissime |
| 21:40.36 | Charles_Murray | Though you can do without the accent |
| 21:41.14 | Imperios | I think of "Generalissimus" because it is the most generic version: Generalissimo kinda makes me think of Venoriel as a crazy Latin American dictator |
| 21:41.28 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 21:41.45 | Imperios | Generalissime works from the literary agent hypothesis |
| 21:42.35 | Charles_Murray | Generalissimo is Italian, actually |
| 21:42.36 | Imperios | Like it would make sense for all PAE stuff come to humans through the liason of the French Empire, thus the French words |
| 21:42.39 | Imperios | Oh |
| 21:47.43 | Wormy_away | Imperios: lol |
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| 21:51.23 | Patriot868 | Hello |
| 21:57.46 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Fix dis |
| 21:57.49 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tuolog |
| 21:57.57 | Technobliterator | fix what |
| 21:58.06 | Technobliterator | I'm going to rewrite that page eventually |
| 21:58.49 | Imperios | Tuolog being a Rogue Boy |
| 21:59.39 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 21:59.50 | Technobliterator | that was from USO canon |
| 22:00.10 | Technobliterator | internet too slow for me to edit now |
| 22:03.31 | Imperios | Monet Xho: gimme the last clothed Kicath and Draconis PNGs |
| 22:04.14 | Xho | There is no clothed Kicath PNG |
| 22:04.36 | Monet | I might haveo ne I can upload. |
| 22:04.44 | Imperios | Xho: Then make it |
| 22:04.54 | Imperios | Any Kicath we can pass as "generic" |
| 22:06.54 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Draconis_V5_Common.png |
| 22:08.25 | Hachiman | Imperios: Quoted |
| 22:09.17 | Imperios | thx |
| 22:10.51 | Imperios | Xho: Hm |
| 22:10.55 | Imperios | Do you think an Agent could work |
| 22:15.25 | Imperios | Right do you have any Kicath PNG I could use |
| 22:16.32 | Charles_Murray | Monet TekDroid : GXS-Era agreement between France and the APR |
| 22:16.34 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Treaty_of_Kevalve_(FASPA) |
| 22:19.44 | Imperios | Alright I'll just leave the Kicath out of the miniportrait for now then |
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| 22:24.04 | Imperios | Well that was |
| 22:24.06 | Imperios | Brief |
| 22:24.41 | Hachiman | He has had bad internet all day |
| 22:25.46 | ImpyDroid | Of course you know everything about your boyfriend's condition |
| 22:26.11 | Imperios | Oh and speaking of which http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:MiniPAE.png Miniportraits |
| 22:26.28 | Xho | I CAN'T SEE SHIT |
| 22:28.48 | Imperios | Actually |
| 22:28.55 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:MiniFrance.png In case you need it |
| 22:29.57 | Monet | That draconis is looking rather proud |
| 22:30.26 | Imperios | They all have the same stupid pose - standing with their heads pointed upwards and their eyes downwards, with hands clasped behind their backs |
| 22:30.42 | Imperios | "We're better than you hon hon hon" |
| 22:33.11 | Monet | Charles_Murray: Regarding the treaty I'm curious abotu the status of conflict between the two |
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| 22:34.06 | Monet | Are they still technically at war? |
| 22:35.58 | Imperios | Xho Technobliterator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpFplmMcjOE Lorons in a nutshell |
| 22:36.59 | Technobliterator | pft |
| 22:38.30 | Cyrannian | Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Aver_Kuestantine - Finished his page, I should be able to work on the section tomorrow |
| 22:39.29 | Technobliterator | nice work :o |
| 22:39.30 | Technobliterator | this is good |
| 22:39.55 | Imperios | Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning Here you go |
| 22:40.12 | Technobliterator | like waiting for a bus |
| 22:40.16 | Technobliterator | you wait ages |
| 22:40.18 | Technobliterator | then two come at once |
| 22:40.53 | Monet | I've never really had that happen to me. |
| 22:40.53 | Imperios | And they hit you |
| 22:41.32 | Imperios | Actually add more to the infobox |
| 22:41.35 | Imperios | IT looks oddly unfinished |
| 22:42.47 | Technobliterator | I don't feel a need to add participants to the infobox, they already have their own section |
| 22:44.48 | Imperios | Hm |
| 22:45.01 | Imperios | I should somehow work on PAE military but I am not sure how to organise the page |
| 22:45.11 | Imperios | am not going to make an entire page on every branch of the military |
| 22:45.14 | Imperios | Thee are like 6 of them |
| 22:46.02 | Imperios | Xho: Seen the PAE parties? |
| 22:46.14 | Xho | nope |
| 22:47.13 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Pan-Andromedan_Ecumene#Andromedan_Light Here, basically all important political factions in the galaxy |
| 22:47.24 | Imperios | The list is still incomplete |
| 22:47.32 | Imperios | You feel free to add more if you want |
| 22:47.45 | Imperios | Though preferrably not Kicath-only organisations |
| 22:47.57 | Imperios | You are free even |
| 22:48.04 | Imperios | Or Feel free |
| 22:48.05 | Imperios | Whatever |
| 22:48.16 | Cyrannian | Night folks |
| 22:48.56 | Imperios | bye |
| 22:49.21 | Imperios | I should somehow coax Monet into writing about the PAE military |
| 22:52.33 | Monet | There could be a page for all six departments |
| 22:52.48 | Monet | We'd need emblams for each department perhaps |
| 22:52.50 | Imperios | Eventually maybe |
| 22:58.38 | ImpyDroid | Want to do the miliitary page? |
| 22:58.51 | ImpyDroid | The DI military page is arguably the best on the wiki |
| 22:59.33 | Monet | Could do. Though that page took me ages to make - I can certainly try. |
| 23:02.03 | ImpyDroid | yis |
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| 23:02.41 | ImpyDroid | Hi Ink |
| 23:02.56 | ImpyDroid | And yes let us hope Trump won't stay for long |
| 23:03.30 | ImpyDroid | I'd let him rule for one term to make Americans realise what it is like to live under a nutty corrupt jingoistic oligarch though |
| 23:04.11 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Actually I realised |
| 23:04.54 | ImpyDroid | When working on the Ecumene, I was trying to catch the overall spirit of the galaxy and what separates it from the rest of the Gigaquadrant |
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| 23:05.47 | ImpyDroid | Monet_2: Actually I realised |
| 23:06.19 | ImpyDroid | When working on the Ecumene I tried to catch the spirit of the galaxy and what separates our fictiom from the rest of the Gigaquadrant |
| 23:07.48 | Charles_Murray | Monet_2 Who is at war with whom? |
| 23:08.07 | Monet_2 | Charles_Murray: The mention of a state of war in the treaty |
| 23:08.26 | Charles_Murray | Which section? |
| 23:08.27 | Monet_2 | ImpyDroid: That spirit intrigues myself. |
| 23:08.40 | Monet_2 | Charles_Murray: Article II in general |
| 23:08.49 | ImpyDroid | The two main distinctions I pinpointed were culture and especially spirituality |
| 23:09.03 | ImpyDroid | It is arguably the most religion-driven galaxy in the Gig |
| 23:09.08 | Charles_Murray | Monet_2 : APR made peace along with the rest of the Allies |
| 23:11.20 | Monet_2 | ImpyDroid: And even when you don't have religion driving decisions, there is stil la strong sense of spirituality |
| 23:11.40 | ImpyDroid | Yep |
| 23:12.39 | ImpyDroid | Now this could actually be noticed in-universe by Andromedans and become some sort of point of pride |
| 23:13.25 | ImpyDroid | A bit like what Russians had during the 19th century and have today |
| 23:13.56 | ImpyDroid | Much of Russian identity stems from its contrast with the rest of Europe |
| 23:14.40 | ImpyDroid | And how Russia is, unlike the rational ans prosperous but supposedly decadent and spiritually dead West |
| 23:14.58 | ImpyDroid | Poor but spiritually strong and traditionalist |
| 23:16.55 | Monet_2 | And interestingly ANdromeda does both. |
| 23:18.47 | ImpyDroid | Though overall I'd say Andromeda stands for a mixture of Britain and East Asia |
| 23:27.03 | Monet_2 | It might be that the faiths of Andromeda put a little more focus on the idea that there is something larger than oneself. |
| 23:27.26 | ImpyDroid | Collectivism too |
| 23:27.35 | ImpyDroid | Or should I say |
| 23:27.38 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.54 | Monet_2 | Masaari definitely |
| 23:29.39 | Monet_2 | But while Draconis have clerics or a grand cathedrals, I can't really say those places are dedicated to Drakon like churches are to God. |
| 23:29.54 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
| 23:30.24 | ImpyDroid | So more like synagogues or mosques - community centers that are not holy themselves? |
| 23:30.39 | Monet_2 | Yeah. |
| 23:30.57 | Monet_2 | And most of the places that are not the Grand Cathedral are called monasteries. |
| 23:31.33 | ImpyDroid | Actually maybe this could be reflected in architecture |
| 23:32.02 | ImpyDroid | Like many mosques, especially older Arabic ones, basically look like stadiums |
| 23:33.56 | Monet_2 | I think I do treat the grand cathedral like that |
| 23:34.33 | ImpyDroid | Then again that is mostly because they need to bow fully when praying |
| 23:34.38 | ImpyDroid | Hence no chairs |
| 23:34.50 | Monet_2 | It's considered holy ground and has a giant golden sculpture of Drakon, and murals dedicated to every paragon in the history of the Imperium. |
| 23:34.56 | ImpyDroid | So that depends on how Draconis are praying |
| 23:36.42 | Monet_2 | You're right in that they treat their temples as community centres. |
| 23:37.23 | ImpyDroid | Though why would they develop such a mentality is another question |
| 23:38.09 | ImpyDroid | That temples are not consecrated places markes by god somehow but rather simply communal praying centers and places of study |
| 23:38.09 | Monet_2 | I think maybe the grand cathedral's msot iconic features sum it up best |
| 23:38.36 | Monet_2 | Perhaps |
| 23:38.44 | ImpyDroid | Like in our case it is because Abrahamic religions postulate God as being pretty much everywhere |
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| 23:39.11 | ImpyDroid | So there is no place a god or its avatar can actually be like in pagan religions or in Hinduism |
| 23:39.11 | Monet_2 | Perhaps the Draconis, in ancient times, saw them as places where history could be told in one place and where artists could shine. |
| 23:39.30 | ImpyDroid | That and Jews have only one temple |
| 23:39.38 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 23:39.41 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 23:40.17 | Monet_2 | Hi |
| 23:41.32 | Monet | I was told that the interior of places like Canterbury Cathedral used ot be beautifully painted with religious imagery, telling the stories of the Old Testament and the parables of Jesus. |
| 23:41.50 | ImpyDroid | Ah |
| 23:42.03 | ImpyDroid | Orthodox churches have that tol |
| 23:42.04 | ImpyDroid | too |
| 23:42.37 | Monet | Note I said used to. |
| 23:42.54 | ImpyDroid | Protestants |
| 23:43.15 | Monet | It's not really done anymore due to the time and effort, possibly auso how gaudy the 11th century work may have been to later sensibilities. |
| 23:43.32 | Monet | And yeah maybe Protestants |
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| 23:46.20 | ImpyDroid2 | Sorry disconnected |
| 23:46.26 | ImpyDroid2 | What was the last thimg you said? |
| 23:46.38 | Monet | [23:43:01] <Monet> It's not really done anymore due to the time and effort, possibly auso how gaudy the 11th century work may have been to later sensibilities. |
| 23:46.38 | Monet | [23:43:14] <Monet> And yeah maybe Protestants |
| 23:47.20 | DrodoAway | Probably protestants. ;p They detested the decadence of the Catholic church |
| 23:47.22 | Monet | Actualyl come to think of it, since the Bassilica de San Marco in Venice looks like this http://www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/mosaics/6sanmarc/0view1.jpg |
| 23:47.32 | Monet | You guys might have a point lol |
| 23:47.45 | DrodoEmpire | Catholic churches tend to be pretty fabulous |
| 23:47.47 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 23:48.56 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/St_Paul's_Cathedral_Nave,_London,_UK_-_Diliff.jpg this is St. Paul's for instance |
| 23:49.23 | Monet | It's designed more to reflect Southern European Basilicas. |
| 23:49.51 | ImpyDroid2 | We have best churches tho |
| 23:49.57 | ImpyDroid2 | HAGIA SOPHIA |
| 23:51.12 | Monet | Also I'm pretty sure the current incarnation of St. Pauls was designed during England's BRITANNIA INVICTA phase |
| 23:51.41 | ImpyDroid2 | Anyway so Orthodox churches have one of the walls of the altar extensively decorated with icons that basically form a comic |
| 23:51.43 | Monet | Contrast to the much more gothic Westminster Abbey http://hdwallpaperbackgrounds.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Westminster-Abbey-Interrior-London-Wallpapers.jpg |
| 23:51.57 | ImpyDroid2 | That way illiterate people may understand the bible |
| 23:52.08 | ImpyDroid2 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Uglich_Cathedral_of_the_Ressurection_Iconostasis.jpg/1920px-Uglich_Cathedral_of_the_Ressurection_Iconostasis.jpg Iconostasis |
| 23:53.26 | ImpyDroid2 | DrodoEmpire: http://hram-st.obninsk.ru/arxiv/2007/hram.jpg Nothing beats DOMES OF SOLID GOLD |
| 23:53.56 | ImpyDroid2 | This is actually gold foil but who cares |
| 23:55.09 | Monet | Protestants appear more fond of telling the Bible with either windows or statues. |
| 23:55.37 | ImpyDroid2 | We do not have statues at all I think |
| 23:55.41 | ImpyDroid2 | Just icons |
| 23:57.14 | Monet | Maybe for Draconis it was the inverse? |
| 23:58.15 | Monet | Their temples could have started out as sites of congregation, but as times grew more prosperous the decoration could have been more celebrated |
| 23:58.51 | The_Randomness | Yeah, that could be |
| 23:59.20 | Monet | Though there could ahve been Lutherians, thy don't apepar as prominent |
