01:19.08 | Monet | I'm somewhat fascinated by Wool Carder Bees. |
01:19.51 | Monet | They look cute when they clamp onto flowers, leaves and stems to snooze. |
01:23.34 | Monet | https://www.lumixgexperience.panasonic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/gallery/Zarniwoop/P1040155.jpg okay I find that adorable |
01:25.17 | The_Randomness | :p |
01:25.42 | Monet | It looks like it's made a little pillwo for itself. |
01:26.05 | The_Randomness | Yeah, it sort of does |
01:26.18 | The_Randomness | Did you know that there are stingless bees? |
01:26.31 | Monet | Not sure |
01:26.51 | Monet | World make sense though; a bee can only use its sting once. |
01:27.52 | The_Randomness | Well, sort of stingless, they still have them, but they can't use them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingless_bee |
01:29.51 | Monet | Hm, some reading suggests the whole "bees teir their stinger out" is mostly with creatures with comparatively thick skin |
01:30.13 | Monet | The stinger is more effective and less life-threatening it sees whe nused against other insects |
01:31.06 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_sting#/media/File:Thermal_effects_of_Insect_bite_by_Volkan_Yuksel_IR001666.jpg and if the left is what a beesting does then I feel sorry for any insects that get hit with that. |
01:31.56 | The_Randomness | yeah |
01:32.27 | The_Randomness | For us it's a (minor) nuisance (unless you are allergic to beestings), but it's probably bad news for insects and small animals |
01:33.38 | Monet | Yeah. |
02:06.50 | Monet | goodnight |
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02:30.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
02:33.50 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
02:59.52 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Protectors_of_the_Milky_Way |
03:00.05 | Wormy_ | Can't believe it took me till 3 in the morning |
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08:53.35 | Jepardi | Hi |
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10:45.03 | Ghelae | Hello. |
10:47.03 | Wormy_ | hi |
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11:04.35 | Wormy_ | It's like a Grimbolsaurian fish http://phys.org/news/2016-03-mysterious-tully-monster-vertebrate.html |
11:05.09 | Wormy_ | Uhhh Ghelae http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/56e98c85021ee.png |
11:05.53 | Wormy_ | There's a bloody fossilised Grimbolsaurian |
11:08.14 | Ghelae | Panspermia, of course. |
11:09.28 | Ghelae | Oh, there's an idea. Would reptilian-insectoids like the Grimbolsaurians have evolved from something like placoderms rather than the unarmoured lobe-finned fish that gave rise to vertebrates on Earth? |
11:10.42 | Wormy_ | Hm, quite possibly. Their mandibles are indeed extensions of bony plates, and their skin is quite well armoured in parts. |
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11:14.16 | Wormy_ | Bony plates were an advantage for bottom-feeders, so on the surface, they probably had to change in order to feed on land, becoming more like insect jaws |
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11:53.32 | Wormy_ | OluapPlayer: Look at this fossil http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/56e98c85021ee.png |
11:53.49 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:54.03 | OluapPlayer | wut dat |
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11:56.52 | Wormy_ | Looks like a Grimb |
11:57.19 | Wormy_ | aside from the tail thins |
11:57.24 | Wormy_ | *fins |
12:01.06 | OluapPlayer | Looks more like a squid to me |
12:01.07 | OluapPlayer | Squid Grimb |
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12:06.43 | Wormy_ | Liquid_Ink: I had fun with these titles http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Protectors_of_the_Milky_Way |
12:09.06 | Ghelae | "The Venerable and Amaranthine Wormulus II the exalted Idol and Father of and for the Delpha Coalition of Planets" |
12:10.38 | Wormy_ | The well respected and never ending worshipped/honoured figurehead and father of the nation |
12:10.55 | OluapPlayer | "The pretty cool guy who did all the things" |
12:11.18 | Wormy_ | He is no longer the man in charge, but he still the man of eternal respect |
12:11.25 | OluapPlayer | He isn't? |
12:11.39 | OluapPlayer | I was gonna ask, why is Lunarai emperor now? |
12:12.12 | Ghelae | Has that always been his title, or is it to make up for him no longer being called "Emperor"? |
12:13.36 | Wormy_ | It is to make up for him no longer being Emperor. The DCP is gradually changing it's government, but Lunarai will do so slowly. The DCP people still have great love, admiration and respect for the god-like former Emperor |
12:14.20 | OluapPlayer | Why and when did Wormulus step down? I don't recall any news of this |
12:14.26 | Ghelae | I like the idea that the peace at the end of the GXS came with the demand that Wormulus could no longer be emperor, so the DCP decided to obey that demand in word but absolutely not in spirit. |
12:15.56 | Wormy_ | It's a little bit different to that. In the Great Xonexian Schism, the Emperor realises the DCP is out of control and is not the thing he founded. But he is trapped, so that is why Lunarai was created, to put an end to the DCP government when the time was right |
12:16.55 | Wormy_ | Lunarai stops the DCP's Andromeda campaign. Now the Civilisation has become more powerful than the DCP, it immediately assimilates all DCP territories. Much of the DCP's government is destroyed in that moment |
12:17.28 | Wormy_ | Somehow the Emperor and them lot survive, but Lunarai is now leader and negotiates a truce with the Xonexi allies |
12:17.49 | OluapPlayer | Schism stuff then |
12:17.51 | OluapPlayer | Should've figured |
12:18.01 | Wormy_ | But yeah, Wormulus could never return to power for the DCP to remain in the Grand Commonwealth |
12:18.30 | Wormy_ | I had this story long before GXS |
12:18.40 | Wormy_ | It's one way to funnel it I guess |
12:19.00 | Wormy_ | Actually, it's a bit refreshing. For example, I can put Eclipsos in the same room as the Emperor |
12:19.08 | Wormy_ | *former Emperor |
12:19.47 | OluapPlayer | I'm no longer up to date with the Milky Way's affairs after Project Exodus |
12:19.50 | OluapPlayer | I must have missed it |
12:20.09 | Wormy_ | Well, I haven't actually written it yet :P |
12:20.19 | OluapPlayer | IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT THEN |
12:20.41 | Wormy_ | I started here though http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism/Inheritance |
12:20.43 | Ghelae | The DCP is all Wormy's fault, yes. |
12:21.25 | OluapPlayer | Yes, Wormy hijacked the wiki with his super-powerful lanky-leg bugs |
12:28.26 | Wormy_ | I think the Emperor probably wanted to end GXS at the Milky Way Campaign and not invade Andromeda, but found himself powerless to stop it. The DCP had become so protectionist it was ready to police everyone |
12:28.57 | Wormy_ | And it believed it had more power than it had, that it could control the Civilisation |
12:30.00 | Wormy_ | Yeah, think of the DCP becoming a runaway train at that point of history. The very order it had tried to maintain became a delusion |
12:30.23 | Wormy_ | bbl |
12:31.06 | Wormy_away | It's a bit like how the US and other Westerners thought they could control the economy in a machine-like fashion and it could reach stability on it's own. |
12:56.11 | Technobliterator | Wormy_away, just read your addition to Da Reckoning |
12:56.13 | Technobliterator | awesome stuff :o |
12:59.42 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: I was reading Settlin Da Score again and I stumbled into this |
12:59.45 | OluapPlayer | "Grak'tona - NO. YOO IS GONNA PAY FER YA CRIMES AGENST DA CROWN, WHICH INCLUDE: BEIN STOOPID, BEIN DUM, WORKIN WIV UNO AND WEARIN A STOOPID HAT" |
13:00.32 | OluapPlayer | Followed by Hagto'Zhl being offended since he uses an identical hat hur |
13:00.42 | Technobliterator | hahahahaha |
13:00.55 | Technobliterator | that bit was the best |
13:00.57 | Technobliterator | bbl lecture |
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13:30.49 | HachiCollege | Hi |
13:36.23 | Wormy_away | Technobliterator: Glad you liked it |
13:36.30 | Wormy_away | hi |
13:54.28 | HachiCollege | So there was a protest outside of my college just now |
13:54.37 | HachiCollege | A few guys in Anonymous masks |
13:54.44 | HachiCollege | And like a load of other people |
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13:56.56 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
13:57.07 | HachiCollege | Hai cunt |
13:57.57 | AdmiralPanda | geez rude, besides that's you when D&D comes around |
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13:58.10 | Wormy_away | Youtube recommends me a breastfeeding tutorial |
13:58.54 | HachiCollege | Wormy, how many times must we tell you not to use Youtube for your freaky porn |
13:58.57 | AdmiralPanda | clearly relevant to your needs and interests |
14:01.47 | Wormy_away | I thought going incognito was enough. |
14:04.57 | AndroImp | Hi cunta |
14:05.08 | AndroImp | cunts even |
14:05.11 | Wormy_away | HachiCollege: Btw, it is one of those weird days when you find a fossil of your own creation http://phys.org/news/2016-03-mysterious-tully-monster-vertebrate.html |
14:05.54 | Wormy_away | http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/56e98c85021ee.png |
14:07.08 | AndroImp | AdmiralPanda: https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2015/Nov/28/LiveLeak-dot-com-608_1448766758-1jUc1w2_1448766764.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd29e4f46ded42a06&ec_rate=230 |
14:07.26 | AdmiralPanda | do I look irish? |
14:07.43 | AdmiralPanda | like, I have no clue what that's about |
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14:10.44 | AndroImp | IRA |
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14:35.03 | dino82_ | hi |
14:36.21 | OluapPlayer | Hi dino |
14:37.44 | dino82_ | :D |
14:37.50 | dino82_ | How is allz dong? Enjoying nice weather as well? |
14:38.26 | OluapPlayer | It's really hot here, that's what |
14:38.27 | AdmiralPanda | allz dong is good |
14:46.34 | Imperios | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/072/339/ec4.jpg |
14:47.00 | Wormy_away | Imperios: Deadluest Warriuor did IRA vs. Taliban |
14:49.27 | Wormy_away | Imperios: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdkwpg_deadliest-warrior-ira-vs-taliban_sport |
15:17.50 | dino82_ | @OLUAP:: NicE! |
15:17.55 | dino82_ | Warm weather! |
15:19.11 | OluapPlayer | No it's not nice, it's too hot hur |
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15:39.59 | Ghelae | Hello. |
15:40.03 | Imperios | It's pretty warm here |
15:40.12 | Imperios | And by warm I mean 6 |
15:40.43 | Ghelae | That's almost as warm as it is here. 8. |
15:41.34 | OluapPlayer | Meanwhile it's 31 here |
15:41.40 | OluapPlayer | You don't know the true meaning of heat |
15:45.10 | dino82_ | nice 31! Now that is kinda hot true haha |
15:46.37 | Imperios | We are all Northmen here |
15:46.48 | dino82_ | haha |
15:48.06 | Imperios | Also, it's sunny here |
15:48.10 | Imperios | Now that is a miracle |
15:51.09 | TekDroid | So that's why. It's March break here and our cafeteria has been overrun with hundreds of hyperactive young children all week. >.> |
15:52.25 | dino82_ | haha |
15:56.17 | Wormy_away | brb |
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16:06.12 | Wormy_ | hi |
16:06.21 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
16:08.55 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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16:22.39 | Wormy_ | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--UHlSJASF--/18dxl8low79mbjpg.jpg |
16:23.20 | TekDroid | O.o |
16:23.38 | Wormy_ | Cyberdelic |
16:55.04 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4d/Andromedan_Light_Seal.png/revision/latest?cb=20160317165434 |
17:01.05 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: What hostile powers are there in underground Koldewnewtl other than the Ordnung, the Northern Rats and the MAlh-rththrhrh things |
17:01.26 | OluapPlayer | Southern rats, not northern |
17:01.38 | OluapPlayer | And there's the Duergar |
17:01.50 | OluapPlayer | I think it's those three |
17:02.29 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of the Dwarf Maulers, I ought to update their model |
17:05.49 | Imperios | I thought of making a minor trader dwarf race whose kingdom was once destroyed |
17:06.17 | Imperios | Now I am thinking who could do that |
17:06.29 | Imperios | Like I am not sure if southern rats are that powerful |
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17:18.14 | OluapPlayer | Goddamnit |
17:18.22 | drom | Going to hate myself for a while |
17:18.28 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Me and Jo are planning a reboot of the Borealis War |
17:18.32 | Imperios | WHAT THE |
17:18.45 | Imperios | HOW LONG WILL IT BE |
17:19.09 | OluapPlayer | infinite³ |
17:19.37 | OluapPlayer | In all seriousness, definitely shorter than the original |
17:19.57 | Imperios | That says very little hur |
17:20.08 | OluapPlayer | wow |
17:20.11 | OluapPlayer | fuk u 2 |
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17:21.29 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
17:22.04 | Ghelae | Hello. |
17:22.53 | OluapPlayer | Still, you were in the original, so I was hoping you'd be part of the reboot too |
17:22.57 | Imperios | I am just kidding hur |
17:23.04 | Imperios | But yeah I will contribute |
17:23.10 | OluapPlayer | gud |
17:32.16 | OluapPlayer | Also in case you didn't get my answers before |
17:32.17 | Imperios | As long as I'll do what I planned to do: Iovera-Geltastra duel |
17:32.23 | OluapPlayer | Duergar are a hostile underground race |
17:32.28 | Imperios | I got that |
17:32.32 | OluapPlayer | rite |
17:32.40 | Imperios | And the reason I ask is that I thought of making a minor trader dwarf race whose kingdom was once destroyed |
17:32.46 | OluapPlayer | Yes there will be Bitchtits vs Demon Bitchtits |
17:33.55 | Imperios | I think the Malhrghrhrhrs could do that |
17:34.47 | OluapPlayer | Just call them Maulers |
17:35.18 | OluapPlayer | And I'm not sure about that. They eat dwarves but they're just wild animals |
17:35.27 | OluapPlayer | Not really intelligent at all |
17:36.10 | Imperios | Right |
17:37.39 | Imperios | So either the rats, the black dwarves or the kobolds |
17:37.57 | Ghelae | It would make some sense for the Duergar, who are described on their page as being known to hate and kill other dwarven races, to actually have killed another dwarven kingdom. |
17:38.16 | OluapPlayer | Yeah |
17:39.05 | Imperios | True tat |
17:40.38 | Imperios | Could be both actually |
17:40.54 | Imperios | Could be Duergar setting hordes of Maulers |
17:41.33 | OluapPlayer | They use them as war beasts, so yes |
17:42.18 | OluapPlayer | Since you're both here, I'll ask before I forget |
17:42.39 | OluapPlayer | Would you call a non-sapient dragon a Kelodhros? |
17:42.46 | OluapPlayer | Or is the name reserved for sapient ones? |
17:43.58 | Ghelae | I would say only sapient ones, unless the non-sapient dragons are descended from sapient ones. |
17:44.28 | Ghelae | Much like a non-sapient deiwos is not so much a deiwos as an ape. |
17:46.45 | Ghelae | A lot of goblinoids and giants aren't very intelligent, and certainly wouldn't be called sophont, but I think they still just count as sapient. |
17:47.25 | OluapPlayer | I specifically mean dragons with animal level of intelligence |
17:48.12 | Ghelae | So not even goblin-level. Yeah, they wouldn't be called Kelodhres. |
17:48.33 | OluapPlayer | Goblins are dumb but they're still sapient |
17:49.02 | Ghelae | Yes. |
17:50.15 | Wormy_ | When I imagine Goblins and Giants, I think of Loron. Sapient, but just dim witted. |
17:50.45 | OluapPlayer | The Fantasyverse is varied but yes, there are many dim witted goblins and giants |
17:50.53 | OluapPlayer | More goblins than giants but still |
17:52.24 | Ghelae | Pretty much. It looks like they're generally capable of making at least basic stone tools, ahead of pretty much every non-human animal on Earth. |
17:53.18 | OluapPlayer | Funny now that I see it. Of the 6 named goblin races, only 1 has human-level wit |
18:01.31 | Technobliterator | Imperios, probably about half the length of the original, honestly |
18:01.39 | Technobliterator | Mostly due to us cutting out tons of filler that was in the original |
18:02.20 | OluapPlayer | Can't claim anything yet, we don't have a plot plan done |
18:02.31 | OluapPlayer | Also Jo go work on reckoning |
18:02.41 | Technobliterator | NEVA |
18:02.43 | Technobliterator | well |
18:02.47 | Technobliterator | I have some coding to do |
18:02.57 | OluapPlayer | code da reckoning dumba |
18:03.00 | Technobliterator | and swimming training later |
18:03.04 | Technobliterator | but I do want to get at least one Reckoning section done today |
18:03.09 | Technobliterator | probably for the Andromeda front |
18:03.23 | Technobliterator | Imperios, if I add that section where the Loron use the Planet Eeta thingy, whose planet should they kill? |
18:03.33 | Imperios | A Tertamian world |
18:03.53 | Imperios | NTA that is |
18:03.57 | Technobliterator | alright |
18:04.00 | Imperios | do you want a named planet? |
18:04.07 | Imperios | Like something important |
18:04.08 | Technobliterator | sure |
18:04.11 | Imperios | Or a generic world |
18:04.29 | Technobliterator | It doesn't have to be anything too important |
18:04.39 | Technobliterator | Just something that Grak'tona goes "NOT WORFY" and eats |
18:20.11 | AndroImp | Right lemme give you a name then |
18:20.17 | AndroImp | Something Tertanai |
18:20.34 | AndroImp | Gimme a random thing related to Greece |
18:22.03 | Technobliterator | uhhh |
18:22.05 | Technobliterator | Athens? |
18:22.06 | Technobliterator | lmao |
18:22.12 | Technobliterator | Zeus? Hercules? |
18:22.16 | Technobliterator | Acropolis? |
18:22.31 | AndroImp | Heralannis |
18:22.32 | AndroImp | There |
18:22.41 | AndroImp | Hercules is Roman not Greek hur |
18:22.45 | AndroImp | Greek is Heracles |
18:25.24 | Technobliterator | ah ok |
19:14.38 | drom | Wormy_ Technobliterator Ghel: Finally!!! http://i.imgur.com/wAER8ci.gif |
19:15.51 | Ghel | Next step: make the text change colour too. :P |
19:16.02 | drom | Hue |
19:16.14 | drom | I gotta fix the funky letters first however |
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19:17.27 | drom | Fixed! |
19:20.29 | Wormy_ | The Sherif's Secret Police Helicopters are circling my house. But they are blue, so it is safe. Hardly anyone vanishes. At least they are not NWO helicopters, which are black. Probably not safe. And at least they are not mysterious yellow helicopters, no-one knows what those helicopters are, or what they want. |
19:21.35 | Monet | Hm? |
19:22.11 | OluapPlayer | Wormy has finally lost it |
19:22.27 | DrodoEmpire | gently removes Wormy_'s tinfoil hat |
19:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | ...We need to talk. |
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19:25.56 | Wormy_ | But I don't wear tinfoil hats |
19:26.27 | Wormy_ | Black Helicopters can scan you through 6 metres of lead. |
19:26.31 | DrodoEmpire | slaps Wormy_ upside the head instead |
19:26.37 | DrodoEmpire | Like that, then? D:< |
19:27.39 | Vincent20100 | HEy! |
19:30.52 | Imperios | Wormy_: Remember: you are beneath notice |
19:31.05 | Imperios | Only people with serious power are dangerous for powers that be |
19:31.37 | Imperios | Or influence |
19:32.03 | Imperios | So unless you become a brilliant scientist, the powers that be won't bother you, at least directly |
19:33.18 | Wormy_ | Don't worry. The Sherif's Secret Police are on our side. |
19:33.28 | Imperios | ON your side |
19:33.39 | Imperios | *YOUR |
19:33.52 | Imperios | Glorious Mother Russia is a different world |
19:34.02 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: In an argument with one of these "race/biology determines culture" types |
19:34.10 | DrodoEmpire | Just... Wow the arguments are so bad >.< |
19:34.37 | Imperios | Ask him about Mongols and the Chinese |
19:34.47 | DrodoEmpire | I might hur |
19:35.05 | Imperios | Speicfically, ask him about why the Mongols cannot do math and/or be doctors hur |
19:35.28 | Wormy_ | World Government helicopters steal children for good. Blue helicopters steal children and bring them back more well behaved. The yellow heilcopters with strange murals are guests of the sky, but uninited guests, which should be treated with fear. Be quiet, they can hear us already |
19:35.31 | Imperios | *More specifically |
19:35.33 | DrodoEmpire | Basically my argument is that geography and interactions with other cultures are the primary builders of culture. Race has little to nothing to do with it |
19:36.06 | DrodoEmpire | In response he just says "yeah well how do people end up where they are?" and "well if geography determines culture why aren't you somewhere nicer?" |
19:36.08 | DrodoEmpire | Its just |
19:36.10 | DrodoEmpire | What? |
19:36.34 | Imperios | God what |
19:36.34 | Imperios | What |
19:36.39 | Imperios | I do not understand it |
19:36.43 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither |
19:37.18 | Imperios | Beneficial territory is not actually always better territory |
19:37.38 | DrodoEmpire | No not always |
19:37.56 | DrodoEmpire | When I carefully explain to him that I'm talking about the *origin of cultures*, and then entertain his dipshittery by saying that a bronze-age farmer has little choice to just run off he says "humans are built for long-distance running though why *can't* he run off?" |
19:38.12 | TekDroid | ... |
19:38.13 | Wormy_ | I think it's only fair that I am basing this all on the monthly Lovecraftian podcast, Welcome to Nightvale. |
19:38.29 | DrodoEmpire | Like the farmer doesn't have, I dunno, crops, a family, and civil obligations :p |
19:38.47 | Wormy_ | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/dc/83/cedc83ccbadb9c2a82fc840aa1473faf.jpg http://nightvale.wikia.com/wiki/Sheriff%27s_Secret_Police http://nightvale.wikia.com/wiki/Helicopters |
19:38.52 | OluapPlayer | Next time you see, Wormy will have been eaten by a Shoggoth |
19:39.21 | Imperios | Africa is actually a better place to live in for a single person |
19:39.23 | TekDroid | It's not like the average farmer has weeks or months of food available, plus the resources to build or obtain a new home in a foreign land |
19:39.30 | DrodoEmpire | Well that first one escalated quickly |
19:39.59 | Imperios | It is just that Eurasia and especially Europe will provide a lot of good stuff for a *civilisation* |
19:40.00 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Well the average bronze age farmer was destitute but what he had was better than whatever he could gain by running away |
19:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Precisely |
19:40.11 | DrodoEmpire | And that's the topic of discussion |
19:40.51 | Imperios | Put a person with the same resources in Sweden and in South Africa and the South African will fare much better, as proven by the Boers |
19:41.00 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: By the food I meant more specifically the food required for an extensive journey to somewhere else. |
19:41.14 | Imperios | But when you want to build a country though |
19:41.24 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Ahh |
19:42.04 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Yeah for a country you want lots of arable land, the plant and animal species on which to use that land and somewhere that isn't too isolated |
19:42.38 | DrodoEmpire | South Africa has lots of arable land, but its pretty isolated (without advance sailing technology) and no real native crops to exploit |
19:42.44 | Imperios | Then again sometimes geography will influence culture |
19:42.45 | DrodoEmpire | *advanced |
19:42.52 | DrodoEmpire | I say it oftentimes does |
19:43.01 | Imperios | And then that culture will also influence the growth of civilisation |
19:43.28 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
19:43.32 | TekDroid | What you have available geographically will of course influence how your culture develops |
19:43.53 | DrodoEmpire | And how you interact with other cultures with other resources influences culture and identity a lot too |
19:50.00 | DrodoEmpire | *Or, how a culture interacts |
19:56.08 | Imperios | As in for example |
19:56.18 | Imperios | Growing rice |
19:56.29 | Imperios | Rice takes a lot of collective effort to till |
19:56.55 | Imperios | Collective farming -> Collective labour -> Strong work ethic -> YOU DOCTOR YET |
19:57.32 | Imperios | Russians however had to spend half of the year doing absolutely nothing because of the winter |
19:57.39 | Imperios | ...And we kind of still do spend half of the year doing nothing |
19:57.50 | Imperios | As Oluap may attest |
19:58.54 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
19:58.54 | OluapPlayer | wot |
19:59.01 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
19:59.06 | OluapPlayer | yes you lazy shit get to work hur |
19:59.16 | DrodoEmpire | Now he's trying to wiggle himself out of his original assertion |
19:59.42 | DrodoEmpire | saying that "genetics have an effect on how well a people adapts to an environment". That isn't untrue but that doesn't say much |
20:00.05 | Imperios | >genetics |
20:00.07 | Imperios | >adapt |
20:00.25 | Imperios | You know genetics are the means through which you adapt |
20:01.06 | DrodoEmpire | You know what I mean- "Genetics have an effect on how well a group of people can live in an environment" |
20:01.10 | DrodoEmpire | Don't be a smartass. :p |
20:01.43 | Imperios | >don't be a smartass |
20:01.49 | Imperios | That's like "don't be me" |
20:01.58 | Imperios | (I am referring to myself here) |
20:04.03 | DrodoEmpire | I know |
20:05.00 | DrodoEmpire | Now he's saying that, due to things like plagues and violence only those with the best genes pass them on and thus culture evolves along genetic lines. This is, charitably-speaking, a half-truth |
20:05.32 | DrodoEmpire | We know that with the rise of agriculture most people would have the chance to marry and have children- passing on their "mediocre" genes to the next generation |
20:06.13 | Imperios | ''mediocre'' |
20:06.47 | Imperios | Pretty much, not to mention the social stratification |
20:06.49 | DrodoEmpire | I use that term cautiously, to basically mean those that aren't geniuses or outstandingly strong |
20:07.10 | DrodoEmpire | This always happened. The occasional plague would wipe out some of the worse-off genetically but other types of disasters- such as war and floods were indiscriminate on genetics |
20:07.12 | Imperios | No, I just copied the word to make a Mad Max reference hur |
20:07.15 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
20:07.57 | DrodoEmpire | We know that this genetic proliferation never brought about the end of civilizations, not it alone |
20:08.14 | DrodoEmpire | A lack of genetic immunity spelled doom for a lot of American civilizations |
20:08.39 | DrodoEmpire | Though the Europeans were also lucky because they arrived during times of strife already within these civilizations, making them more vulnerable |
20:08.43 | Imperios | PRetty much |
20:09.07 | DrodoEmpire | The Incas were in the midst of a devastating civil war when the Spaniards arrived, for example |
20:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | And the discontent among vassal city states was already at a boiling point when Cortes arrived |
20:10.10 | DrodoEmpire | Either way, genetics *does* have some small role but in all but the most dramatic examples its almost irrelevant |
20:14.23 | ZF101 | So long guys. |
20:17.59 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (5aff3bd2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.255.59.210) |
20:18.05 | Hachiman | Hi |
20:18.20 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
20:18.25 | Ghel | Hi |
20:18.30 | OluapPlayer | hi |
20:19.15 | Wormy_ | hello |
20:23.36 | Monet | hello |
20:37.08 | Imperios | Hi Hachi |
20:41.03 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho (97e0b21a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.224.178.26) |
20:42.13 | OluapPlayer | spoon |
20:42.16 | Xho | ey b0ss |
20:44.27 | Hachiman | gibe de pusi pls |
20:44.50 | Xho | oh mai |
20:45.00 | Xho | Well, a sparkle of an idea has entered my mind |
20:45.02 | Xho | About a life choice |
20:45.30 | OluapPlayer | choose which one of the hostages dies next |
20:45.33 | Xho | u |
20:45.56 | Hachiman | If you're gonna remark on that new recommended alcohol units thing |
20:46.29 | Xho | No |
20:46.30 | Xho | But go on |
20:46.47 | Xho | Nah I was thinking about possibly going to Japan to teach English |
20:47.07 | Hachiman | Oh |
20:47.11 | Hachiman | That would be interesting |
20:47.12 | OluapPlayer | Xho the teacher |
20:47.15 | OluapPlayer | That can't end well |
20:47.22 | Xho | B-BAKA |
20:51.13 | Xho | " it might be better to ask EA" |
20:51.18 | Xho | nigga do u want a game or not |
21:05.46 | OluapPlayer | bah boring day |
21:07.49 | Xho | u |
21:08.32 | OluapPlayer | fix dis |
21:09.43 | Hachiman | Hm |
21:09.50 | Hachiman | I wonder if fat elves are a thing in the Fantasyverse |
21:11.19 | Hachiman | Like I know elves are naturally spindly and lithe but then obesity can happen to humans who have a similar physiology to elves |
21:13.05 | OluapPlayer | An obese elf would probably be slimmer than an obese human, but they'd still look fat |
21:13.18 | Ghel | I don't see why it couldn't happen. |
21:13.51 | Ghel | Although if an Erylia Elf gets overweight and decides they don't like it, they shouldn't find it too difficult to burn calories. |
21:14.10 | Hachiman | Fucking wow |
21:14.28 | OluapPlayer | Oh god |
21:29.43 | drom | As a Programmer. |
21:29.58 | drom | I don't know how to comment on that "Revival" game idea. |
21:31.46 | Imperios | Speaking of Deiwos |
21:31.53 | Imperios | Xho Hachiman OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%27zukartu#Friendly Dorfs |
21:31.59 | Imperios | oh wait wrong link |
21:32.01 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%27zukartu there |
21:32.14 | OluapPlayer | dem cheeks |
21:32.16 | Hachiman | His fucking face |
21:32.38 | Hachiman | Jewish dwarves |
21:32.39 | Xho | Imperios: chop fukkin suey |
21:32.56 | Imperios | Hachiman: Armenian actually, but then again most Jewish stereotypes apply to Armenians |
21:33.24 | Imperios | Also yes look at their relationships |
21:33.25 | Imperios | Is that okay |
21:33.53 | *** join/#sporewiki The_Randomness (~chatzilla@2601:441:0:6:3425:b044:d55:aa79) |
21:33.53 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
21:34.05 | The_Randomness | Hello |
21:34.11 | OluapPlayer | I'm not there yet calm your boobs |
21:34.13 | OluapPlayer | randum |
21:34.25 | Hachiman | >Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time. |
21:34.32 | Hachiman | Is that a fucking System of a Down reference |
21:34.39 | Hachiman | Is that because the main vocalist is Armenian |
21:35.19 | Hachiman | Oh my God |
21:35.55 | Hachiman | YOU HAVE SERJ TARAKIAN DWARVES |
21:36.14 | Imperios | Yes |
21:36.36 | Hachiman | Okay now I see why you asked if their relations were okay hur |
21:36.48 | Hachiman | I like them anyway, quite unique |
21:36.54 | OluapPlayer | Yeah they seem good |
21:37.05 | OluapPlayer | And the race itself is pretty cool |
21:37.11 | Hachiman | I like new flavours added to dwarves |
21:37.12 | OluapPlayer | Came out of nowhere too |
21:37.21 | OluapPlayer | >Imp making full pages in one day |
21:37.23 | OluapPlayer | end times are here |
21:37.55 | Imperios | I was inspired by you making humans |
21:39.26 | Hachiman | The Khargrim probably find them very odd |
21:39.43 | drom | What's the name of that macho stronk guy who always wears a grey stylish suit? |
21:39.52 | OluapPlayer | The Kyrsacov probably find them an ugly kind of cute |
21:39.57 | Hachiman | Gonna have to be more descriptive drom |
21:39.59 | drom | In the american "professional wrestling" something |
21:40.02 | OluapPlayer | Like a pug |
21:40.06 | OluapPlayer | The pugs of dwarvenkind |
21:40.18 | Hachiman | I thought Kyrsacov were the pugs of dwarvenkind hur |
21:40.43 | Imperios | Pug dwarves that speak in System of a Down quotations |
21:40.52 | Hachiman | Much like autistic people irl |
21:41.49 | Imperios | like urself |
21:42.05 | Hachiman | Except I don't listen to SOAD hur |
21:42.22 | Hachiman | Maybe I did once |
21:42.38 | OluapPlayer | I don't know what that is |
21:42.48 | OluapPlayer | Also I quoted T'zuzus |
21:43.33 | Imperios | Thxs |
21:43.33 | Hachiman | olol Clamak's quote |
21:43.47 | Imperios | I thought Xho liked them |
21:44.13 | Imperios | SoaD that is is |
21:44.14 | Xho | I do |
21:44.18 | drom | Hachiman: That old man who both gets amazed and aroused by a very buff man flexing, used for "x masterrace" gifs. |
21:45.35 | drom | Oh Vince McMahon |
21:45.55 | *** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (8036b3eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.54.179.235) |
21:46.09 | Ghel | Hello. |
21:46.15 | Imperios | Hi |
21:46.22 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%27zukartu Take a look |
21:46.25 | Tybusen | Hello |
21:46.56 | OluapPlayer | Since we're posting what we did today, http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/01/M%C3%A0lh-Thaduorn.png I updated this model |
21:49.58 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
21:50.09 | Xho | lel |
21:50.09 | OluapPlayer | Eh? |
21:50.24 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
21:52.04 | drom | no, my face when I read the "Revival" game thread and I see no mention of programming |
21:52.46 | OluapPlayer | This is just an idea being tossed around by a bunch of internet strangers, it's not like we plan to get it done immediately |
21:55.07 | Monet | I think what Drom means is we haven't even touched on how we can script the game to work |
21:55.39 | OluapPlayer | We don't even know if we're doing it at all yet |
21:58.14 | Imperios | I did not see the game thread yet |
21:58.19 | Imperios | Did it revert to retardation or something |
21:58.33 | OluapPlayer | No? What makes you assume that |
21:58.52 | Tybusen | I don't even know if we've decided on a direction that the game is going to go |
21:59.03 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdxynV2XEAAGZQ4.jpg |
21:59.04 | Tybusen | And design has to come before the programming |
21:59.23 | Imperios | drom's comments |
21:59.36 | Imperios | What happened there hur |
21:59.36 | Monet | Tybusen: We're considering an RPG but so far we have eyt oto decide if turn-based or real-time |
21:59.48 | OluapPlayer | Nothing. His comments are random or something |
22:00.04 | OluapPlayer | The thread's only discussion was how we'd have to remove references to Spore and EA |
22:00.18 | Tybusen | Monet: From my limited experience as a programmer, I'd think a turn-based RPG is probably easier to implement than real-time |
22:01.13 | OluapPlayer | I myself am not taking any serious stance in the idea until/if I actually learn how to make videogames |
22:01.18 | Tybusen | But still, it's fine if we haven't decided on implementation yet since design always comes before implementation |
22:01.27 | drom | When discussion design, discussing about how to IMPLEMENT it is also a good way to go. |
22:01.33 | drom | discussing even |
22:02.06 | Tybusen | True, we should take into consideration implementation when considering design, but nothing can be implemented if it hasn't been designed yet |
22:02.19 | OluapPlayer | Hold on I posted the pic to the wrong person |
22:02.20 | OluapPlayer | Shit |
22:02.21 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdxynV2XEAAGZQ4.jpg |
22:02.51 | Xho | wow |
22:04.03 | Monet | We have programmers, artists, I guess we need organisation, a direction and understanding of how we're coding this thing |
22:04.14 | Tybusen | drom: Since you're a more experienced programmer than I, I've read in a lot of places that C++ is a great language for building games from scratch, though I'm curious as to why Java isn't as good as C++, other than perhaps the extra overhead from Java being an interpreted language |
22:04.39 | drom | Java uses lot of overhead, so does C# as well |
22:05.15 | drom | C++ is more runtime-efficient because the overhead is rather produced from how you implement your design/algorithms. |
22:05.43 | Tybusen | So the overhead is the actual thing holding back a language like Java then? |
22:06.13 | drom | Productivity however, is sometimes unpredictable because it can sometimes produce errors that take days to solve. Be it a missing semi-colon or a plus (+) where it is supposed to be a minus (-). |
22:06.30 | drom | Java is fuck-ton slow to boot up as well. |
22:07.06 | Tybusen | I know Minecraft is Java-based but I've heard that they're going to try to move to a C++ engine for Windows 10 versions |
22:07.51 | drom | Running a Java applet runs the runtime library first, then it loads the entire applet into memory. |
22:07.52 | The_Randomness | I don't know about that, but this isn't saying that you can't make games with good performance in languages like Java |
22:08.31 | drom | Well yeah. Java can be performance-efficient, but takes long time to load and can be sometimes a hassle. |
22:08.45 | The_Randomness | Also, with Java you don't need to worry about compatibility issues (most of the time), since it runs the same way on all machines |
22:08.49 | drom | Also, I believe TekDroid knows better than me, becuase he has worked with Java more than me. |
22:08.58 | Tybusen | Oh, I know that there can be good Java-based games (Minecraft being an example, I guess), I've just heard a lot of people say that C++ is better for performance |
22:09.28 | Tybusen | I feel like I know enough about Java that I could probably make a proof-of-concept turn-based RPG given some time |
22:09.31 | The_Randomness | C++ is better for performance, but you need to make sure that you do everything right along the way. |
22:09.34 | drom | C++ is best of performance because it skips overhead an other features such as "Garbage Collection". |
22:09.42 | drom | What Random says. |
22:09.42 | TekDroid | What's going on? |
22:09.52 | The_Randomness | ugh, languages without garbage collection |
22:09.54 | The_Randomness | I'm sick of C |
22:10.03 | Tybusen | A discussion on the relative advantages of programming languages for game development |
22:10.05 | drom | Heh, I love C/C++ |
22:10.11 | Tybusen | C is garbage |
22:10.13 | drom | A hassle to debug however. |
22:10.14 | Tybusen | I hate it |
22:10.31 | The_Randomness | I'm tired of having to deal with all of this low-level nonsense, at least C++ is tolerable |
22:10.34 | AndroImp | Python? |
22:10.38 | The_Randomness | lol |
22:10.45 | drom | Python? |
22:10.47 | drom | What are you? |
22:10.51 | Tybusen | programming "language" |
22:10.57 | The_Randomness | Python is really bad for big programs iirc |
22:11.05 | TekDroid | Lower level stuff is of course typically the most efficient. |
22:11.14 | Tybusen | Python is supposed to be a scripting language, so it can't really handle anything big |
22:11.21 | AndroImp | Just wondering |
22:11.30 | AndroImp | I only know basic python hur |
22:11.37 | The_Randomness | But that comes at a cost, you need to be able to make sure that everything you produce is correct, and does not have performance issues itself |
22:11.47 | The_Randomness | While with languages like Java the backend is handled for you |
22:11.49 | AndroImp | So right what do you suggest |
22:11.52 | drom | The_Randomness Tybusen: Keep in mind that back when DOS computers were the top-notch technology you could had. People had to program in ASM |
22:12.01 | The_Randomness | ASM? |
22:12.07 | drom | Assembly |
22:12.07 | Tybusen | Assembly I think |
22:12.10 | The_Randomness | ech |
22:12.11 | TekDroid | I have a course right now programming in Assembly |
22:12.26 | The_Randomness | I'd say C++ or Java myself |
22:12.32 | drom | The lowest language possible for humans above pure binary and hexadecimal. |
22:12.33 | TekDroid | Well half assembly, but now we're shifting to mostly C. |
22:12.39 | AndroImp | C works |
22:12.49 | drom | I'd say, fuck Java |
22:12.52 | drom | C++ stronk |
22:12.52 | The_Randomness | There's a big distinction between C and C++ |
22:12.59 | AndroImp | How different are C# and C++ BTW? |
22:12.59 | TekDroid | Drom: And sometimes its half binary and hex anyway. :P |
22:13.00 | The_Randomness | C is a braindead language zzz |
22:13.06 | Tybusen | Java is sooooo much easier to use from a dev standpoint though |
22:13.17 | drom | The_Randomness: how so? |
22:13.38 | drom | Becuase you've to char* text = (char*)malloc(sizeof(char*))? |
22:13.43 | The_Randomness | ... |
22:13.46 | The_Randomness | no, more than that |
22:14.04 | drom | Explain |
22:14.08 | TekDroid | Languages like C are best when you really want efficiency and speed, while higher level is easier to progrma and debug. |
22:14.27 | Tybusen | drom: Actually, that should be sizeof(char), otherwise you're getting data the size of a char pointer :U |
22:14.28 | TekDroid | *program |
22:14.29 | The_Randomness | Debugging is a nightmare, I need to do memory management myself, and it's just frustrating to use |
22:14.33 | The_Randomness | Not that I'm bad with C |
22:14.42 | The_Randomness | I'm just tired of using it |
22:14.45 | drom | Tybusen: Yeah, my mistake. |
22:14.58 | The_Randomness | IPC is pure hell |
22:15.04 | AndroImp | I can be your debugging slave hue |
22:15.10 | drom | The_Randomness: Beware the segament faults |
22:15.15 | Tybusen | Still, I'd honestly use Java over C unless I had to use C just because C is a nightmare from a developer standpoint |
22:15.26 | AndroImp | It is not like my programming is worth anything |
22:15.27 | The_Randomness | segfaults aren't even the worst things |
22:15.37 | AndroImp | Java could work |
22:15.37 | The_Randomness | It's trying to make things work the way I want |
22:15.38 | Tybusen | No garbage collection, extremely finicky error handling |
22:15.45 | TekDroid | The_Randomness: Like I said, we're doing a real-time systems course working with hardware programming in assembly and C. Help. |
22:15.46 | AndroImp | ...As if I know anything about Java hur |
22:15.51 | The_Randomness | I'd say Java |
22:16.02 | The_Randomness | TekDroid: Yeah, I know, I've taken a similar class myself |
22:16.02 | AndroImp | Also guys I know none of you probably know much about that branch of programming |
22:16.02 | drom | The_Randomness: How about you invoke an BSoD with a dangling reference pointer in C? |
22:16.10 | TekDroid | Java is my most knowledgeable language |
22:16.15 | The_Randomness | I don't know how to do that drom |
22:16.23 | AndroImp | But what about a mobile game? |
22:16.30 | AndroImp | Would fit a smaller format much better |
22:16.33 | TekDroid | AndroImp: What OS? |
22:16.38 | AndroImp | Android |
22:16.43 | AndroImp | ANDROID MASTER RACE |
22:16.45 | Tybusen | I can do a lot more with Java just because I'm much much better with how Java's objects work than any of that C shit |
22:16.51 | AndroImp | JUST MASTER RACE THINGS |
22:16.52 | TekDroid | Pretty sure Android runs on a variant of Java. |
22:17.01 | Tybusen | Android uses Java |
22:17.20 | The_Randomness | But for my OS class it was pure pain to figure out how to get even a simple chat server-like program to work properly because of the IPC and whatnot it requires |
22:17.21 | drom | The_Randomness: I believe it was to do improper malloc shit and point at a randomn memory address and fill the data with zeros until the entire operative system crashes. |
22:17.21 | AndroImp | Sweet |
22:17.24 | AndroImp | Java it is then |
22:17.33 | TekDroid | For mobile devices it's limited. |
22:17.37 | AndroImp | ^ That is how stupid I am |
22:18.04 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6d/KhaadunProgress4.png/revision/latest?cb=20160317221737 Now with the first bit of the helmet |
22:18.24 | Tybusen | And I'd think that the extra overhead from Java isn't a significant problem unless the game you have in mind is really going to push hardware limits |
22:18.25 | The_Randomness | If I had a choice I would do all of my programming in something like Ocaml or Haskell, because I want to get away from this low-level nonsense |
22:19.06 | drom | But do Ocaml and Haskell have graphical computing and rendering libraries? |
22:19.09 | AndroImp | Xho: Khaal Dunrogo |
22:19.15 | OluapPlayer | khaaaaaaaaaaaa |
22:19.21 | drom | I've never heard of it |
22:19.24 | OluapPlayer | Also looks like a corpse |
22:19.24 | TekDroid | The_Randomness: Oh, and my real-time systems course is so bad that of the 60 students in it only 26 of us passed the midterm. >.> |
22:19.29 | The_Randomness | lol |
22:19.39 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Well he's only half alive at the most |
22:19.42 | The_Randomness | I would presume they do, but I haven't looked into it myself |
22:19.45 | drom | Hahah |
22:19.46 | drom | https://wiki.haskell.org/OpenGL |
22:19.48 | OluapPlayer | half-alive |
22:19.49 | drom | Oh wow |
22:19.50 | OluapPlayer | dats not a thing |
22:19.58 | Xho | Khaadun - siqis'shazun says stfu |
22:20.00 | drom | Haskell does actually have OpenGL |
22:20.07 | OluapPlayer | u bullshi |
22:20.14 | Tybusen | I could probably actually recreate a Pokemon game using Java if I had the time and interest |
22:20.19 | The_Randomness | Haskell is a beautiful language, and I'm going to learn it this summer |
22:20.55 | Xho | I had this idea that the more Khaadun kills the more his state of being starts to traverse over to a ghostly kind of form |
22:21.15 | Xho | Like the armour he wears starts to sap out his soul |
22:21.43 | TekDroid | I really need to learn some databases or networking programming experience soon. Been trying to find a co-op job lately and I swear 90% of them asked for it. |
22:22.04 | drom | The_Randomness Tybusen TekDroid: C# is the most beautiful language I know. |
22:22.24 | TekDroid | I don't actually know C# or C++ |
22:22.28 | The_Randomness | I have no experience in C#, so I can't say anything |
22:22.32 | Tybusen | I don't know if this is correct or not but I think C# is not as portable as Java? |
22:22.44 | Tybusen | I also have zero knowledge about C# as a language |
22:22.45 | The_Randomness | Yeah, C# is not as portable as Java |
22:22.50 | AndroImp | They follow different designs |
22:23.00 | AndroImp | <PROTECTED> |
22:23.05 | AndroImp | Dunno about Java |
22:23.08 | drom | Depends on the runtime library you compile against |
22:23.10 | AndroImp | Actually what Java is about |
22:23.15 | AndroImp | is Java even |
22:23.16 | Tybusen | Java is object-oriented |
22:23.21 | drom | If you compile against .NET then you are restricted to Windows |
22:23.25 | Tybusen | Java's all about objects and classes |
22:23.27 | AndroImp | Right so not so different then |
22:23.27 | The_Randomness | Imp, how much experience do you even have with programming? |
22:23.36 | AndroImp | The_Randomness: NOOOONE |
22:23.43 | Tybusen | IIRC C# was kind of designed to be similar to Java |
22:23.46 | AndroImp | Seriously though |
22:23.49 | drom | If you compile against to Mono, then you can compile for Linux, OSX and Windows. |
22:23.55 | The_Randomness | ah, alright |
22:23.55 | AndroImp | Some C# and C |
22:24.04 | AndroImp | That is it |
22:24.16 | AndroImp | Do not take me seriously, I am not a specialist |
22:24.18 | drom | C# pretty much Java, except it is cleaner |
22:24.36 | drom | And uh, more related to C++ than how Java does. |
22:24.39 | Tybusen | Cleaner in what sense? |
22:25.27 | AndroImp | The_Randomness: Programming in my course is an auxiliary course - it IS essential to our studies but not our main thing |
22:25.30 | drom | Good question. I was hasty with the conclusion. But I found out that it does proper GC |
22:25.59 | AndroImp | Most of the programming I know involves changing one pile of text into another pile of text |
22:26.07 | AndroImp | For which Python is somewhat useful |
22:26.18 | drom | PLAGARISM |
22:27.03 | drom | AndroImp: Let me remind you about this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1c/c3/4e/1cc34e4e0aaeff76484b3ae963bfc701.jpg |
22:27.25 | The_Randomness | I'm personally a big fan of functional programming |
22:28.08 | AndroImp | Unless your game will have something language-related I won't be of much use |
22:28.56 | AndroImp | Like parsing player-written text into something understandable by NPCs |
22:29.04 | drom | The_Randomness: That's like "void some_function(struct some_s, int some_int_1, int some_int_2)?" |
22:29.16 | AndroImp | Which, while novel in a sense, will not be useful in a game |
22:29.18 | The_Randomness | nope |
22:29.24 | The_Randomness | Like, functional programming languages |
22:29.41 | AndroImp | As in operating through functions |
22:29.59 | AndroImp | Now sorry for a dumb question but that is like C for example |
22:30.03 | The_Randomness | ........ |
22:30.08 | The_Randomness | No |
22:30.13 | AndroImp | ^^dumb |
22:30.14 | The_Randomness | C is an imperative language |
22:30.17 | AndroImp | Right |
22:30.24 | AndroImp | Enlighten me plz |
22:30.40 | The_Randomness | I'm talking about things like Haskell. You cannot change the state of variables. |
22:30.48 | drom | There is D |
22:30.55 | The_Randomness | Everything is done by applying functions to arguments |
22:31.02 | AndroImp | Oh right |
22:31.06 | AndroImp | I get it now |
22:31.15 | AndroImp | Sorry, I am no specialist hur |
22:32.18 | The_Randomness | It's fine |
22:32.38 | The_Randomness | So, a decent analogy for functional vs imperative programming is, let's say you're making a garden. |
22:33.40 | The_Randomness | You can go through a ton of effort and make a mess in your yard digging stuff up and whatnot, which ultimately changes the state of your yard. This is stuff like C, Java, etc. |
22:34.05 | The_Randomness | Or you can put a lot of effort into getting the materials and plans together for your garden, then putting it together that way |
22:34.22 | The_Randomness | That is sort of what functional languages are like |
22:34.40 | AndroImp | I am not *that* dumb hur |
22:34.46 | The_Randomness | I could go further into this, but it's ultimately uninteresting |
22:34.54 | AndroImp | Right got you |
22:35.19 | The_Randomness | I wanted to emphasize the point that they're based on entirely different principles |
22:35.39 | The_Randomness | And both have their advantages and disadvantages |
22:36.19 | AndroImp | rite |
22:50.18 | Xho | I just realised that Khaadun's hair colour is incorrect in that image |
22:50.44 | OluapPlayer | u fuked up |
22:51.52 | Xho | His hair colour is a pearlescent blonde |
22:51.54 | Xho | Verging on white |
22:52.58 | drom | The_Randomness Tybusen TekDroid AndroImp: http://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/331/fall10/images/languageFans.jpg |
22:53.55 | The_Randomness | lol |
22:54.45 | Tybusen | I can only speak to the Java and C boxes but tbh that feels about right |
22:54.47 | The_Randomness | How old is Lisp now anyway? |
22:55.24 | drom | Older than C |
22:55.32 | Tybusen | Yikes |
22:55.37 | The_Randomness | I know that :p |
22:55.45 | drom | Born 1958 |
22:55.55 | drom | The first form of LISP emerged 1958 |
22:56.08 | drom | Some say that people even tried programming AIs in LISP |
22:56.36 | drom | God, no wonder why the mental asylums were full of insane |
22:56.46 | The_Randomness | I'm pretty sure Lisp is still used in that area |
22:57.48 | drom | The_Randomness Tybusen TekDroid AndroImp: http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons |
22:58.58 | The_Randomness | I remember seeing a vehicle version of that once |
22:59.52 | drom | There are few iterations of that |
23:00.35 | drom | The_Randomness Tybusen TekDroid AndroImp: http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ |
23:00.42 | drom | "Java is another attempt to improve on C. It sort of gets the job done, but it's way slower, bulkier, spews pollution everywhere, and people will think you're a redneck." |
23:00.44 | The_Randomness | yeah, I just pulled that up now |
23:01.01 | drom | As a major C++ programmer, I think that description fits very well. |
23:01.19 | The_Randomness | "OCaml is this funny shaped thing that Europeans like for some reason." lol |
23:01.26 | AndroImp | ded |
23:01.27 | The_Randomness | I now get that part of it |
23:07.12 | drom | The_Randomness: http://i.imgur.com/GHxmrsR.jpg |
23:07.36 | The_Randomness | lol |
23:08.10 | drom | Like how ASM, C and C++ do have books, but the rest does not |
23:08.24 | The_Randomness | heh |
23:09.53 | drom | Technbobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/YRoqC.jpg |
23:27.17 | Wormy_ | love it |
23:31.33 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/7fZn8 |
23:32.02 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/Mpk5lUg.jpg |
23:36.29 | Wormy_ | dayumn nature http://imgur.com/gallery/kkxnYd6 |
23:45.37 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/ech9U |
23:45.52 | drom | Wormy_ Monet: http://i.imgur.com/SqIJVl7.jpg |
23:45.55 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/ulWHRjs.jpg |
23:46.09 | Wormy_ | cute |
23:47.35 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/7NDE5aj.jpg |
23:50.30 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator http://imgur.com/gallery/gJUqhTF |
23:50.46 | Technobliterator | why did you link me this |
23:50.49 | Technobliterator | you made me |
23:50.50 | Technobliterator | so hungry |
23:50.52 | Technobliterator | ;_; |
23:51.15 | Wormy_ | It would rot before I could eat it all. |
23:52.17 | drom | Hachiman AndroImp DrodoEmpire: http://i.imgur.com/fsQwezu.jpg |
23:52.40 | OluapPlayer | Jo work on Reckoning grrr |
23:53.51 | Hachiman | Oh God |
23:55.52 | drom | Charles_Essays DrodoEmpire: American Freedom on four wheels http://i.imgur.com/d8XZUi0.webm |
23:58.06 | Charles_Essays | Wow that thing is old |