| 00:00.08 | Xho | "Dick Pound had no sympathy for the 28-year-old Maria Sharapova" Sounds like a cheap porn flick |
| 00:00.13 | Xho | But indeed it is not |
| 00:00.46 | OluapPlayer_ | wot |
| 00:00.58 | Xho | Genuine news headline |
| 00:01.04 | Xho | There is a guy out there called Dick Pound |
| 00:02.44 | Xho | Actually I might also do Zran Kar for a model as well |
| 00:02.53 | Xho | Got an interesting head shape |
| 00:03.09 | OluapPlayer_ | big ball head |
| 00:10.05 | Xho | Okay, body giving out |
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| 00:35.16 | AnonyLurk | Why are laser weapons so little used on SporeWiki? |
| 00:35.50 | AnonyLurk | It seems like everything is some kind of hyperspatial anti-particle wormhole cannon, or what have you. |
| 00:35.55 | AnonyLurk | Why so little love for the humble photon? |
| 00:36.32 | Tybusen | Ion cannons are pretty common I think, and they're good shield disruptors |
| 00:37.32 | AnonyLurk | That's not a laser, though. |
| 00:37.49 | DrodoEmpire | AnonyLurk: A common weapon is the turbolaser |
| 00:37.50 | Monet | ItIt is |
| 00:37.55 | DrodoEmpire | Not really a "laser" per se |
| 00:38.08 | DrodoEmpire | More like a blast of superheated... Energy, really |
| 00:38.08 | Monet | IIRC IOn cannons are a form of electrolaser |
| 00:38.19 | AnonyLurk | Isn't it a particle accelerator? |
| 00:38.23 | AnonyLurk | Accelerating ionized particles. |
| 00:38.59 | DrodoEmpire | One of the more common weapons currently is the AngelFire either way |
| 00:39.19 | DrodoEmpire | Which is an antimatter missile that can travel through hyperspace and hit its target from lightyears away |
| 00:39.33 | DrodoEmpire | It carries a pretty standard payload, its no superweapon |
| 00:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | But its like the musket against the knight- well, unless you have good interdiction technology |
| 00:40.43 | AnonyLurk | How expensive are those to produce? |
| 00:40.59 | DrodoEmpire | Very cheap |
| 00:41.12 | DrodoEmpire | Many starships use them as their primary weapon |
| 00:41.22 | DrodoEmpire | That being said, there *are* counters |
| 00:41.25 | ZF101 | Mendel - Ye dishonorable cowards! |
| 00:41.27 | Monet | Well looking at modern developments, the closest we have ot a laser is a microwave gun, which is more like an EM lasergun |
| 00:42.06 | AnonyLurk | ...With this weapon in existence, how does war still exist in this setting. |
| 00:42.12 | AnonyLurk | How can you even counter something like that? |
| 00:42.16 | DrodoEmpire | ...Easily? |
| 00:42.24 | DrodoEmpire | And like I said its not a superweapon |
| 00:42.33 | DrodoEmpire | Conventional shielding can still block angelfires |
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| 00:42.41 | AnonyLurk | Wh- |
| 00:42.41 | AnonyLurk | What? |
| 00:42.43 | AnonyLurk | How? |
| 00:42.47 | DrodoEmpire | It carries a standard payload; It just projects it over a large distance |
| 00:42.58 | Charles_Murray | What just happened? |
| 00:43.02 | DrodoEmpire | I'll explain it to you if you'd stop acting so astonished |
| 00:43.09 | AnonyLurk | Do so. |
| 00:43.13 | ZF101 | We're Talking angel fire. |
| 00:43.15 | DrodoEmpire | Buddy here is confused about angelfires |
| 00:43.27 | Charles_Murray | Ooooh |
| 00:43.28 | DrodoEmpire | Like i said, its not a superweapon |
| 00:43.29 | Charles_Murray | I can do it |
| 00:43.31 | DrodoEmpire | Radical idea |
| 00:43.32 | DrodoEmpire | Please do |
| 00:43.38 | Tybusen | Angelfire is more or less a cruise missile, I guess |
| 00:43.39 | Charles_Murray | I created them |
| 00:43.46 | Charles_Murray | Cruise missiles are different |
| 00:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: That's an excellent description |
| 00:43.52 | DrodoEmpire | Or maybe not |
| 00:44.00 | Charles_Murray | They tend to be guided surface-to-surface projectiles |
| 00:44.19 | Charles_Murray | The precise definition for the Angelfire is an anti-ship guided missile |
| 00:44.30 | Charles_Murray | Which is fired through hyperspace |
| 00:44.33 | DrodoEmpire | smacks Charles |
| 00:44.39 | DrodoEmpire | Same difference 3:< |
| 00:44.43 | Charles_Murray | Um. |
| 00:44.46 | Charles_Murray | That's a huge different |
| 00:44.49 | Charles_Murray | difference* |
| 00:45.04 | Charles_Murray | Cruise missiles target static ground installations |
| 00:45.07 | Monet | Thing is we see such acceleration in technological advancement between to wnations becuase half of a war is building new ways to both finish the war and counter whatever the enemy is devleoping. |
| 00:45.12 | DrodoEmpire | You're right, we need to find a way to put missiles through hyperspace |
| 00:45.14 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway right |
| 00:45.33 | Charles_Murray | France has already developed hyperspatial cruise missiles |
| 00:45.33 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: True |
| 00:45.49 | DrodoEmpire | A country is always well-equipped to fight the last war. :p |
| 00:45.53 | Charles_Murray | Those are actually much easier than the technology required to precisely track a ship through hyperspace |
| 00:45.59 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 00:46.48 | AnonyLurk | But how can you counter such a weapon? |
| 00:46.53 | DrodoEmpire | AnonyLurk: Basically Angelfires are guided hyperspatial missiles that send a conventionally-sized payload across vast distances |
| 00:46.59 | ZF101 | shields bucko. |
| 00:47.10 | Charles_Murray | AnonyLurk : But to more directly answer your question, hyperspace is a fourth dimension of spacetime which is contracted relative to realspace. So when you're in hyperspace, the distance between two points is smaller than their equivalents in realspace |
| 00:47.11 | DrodoEmpire | By disrupting hyperspatial travel, forcing the missiles out of hyperspace |
| 00:47.21 | Tybusen | Imagine a plain antimatter missile but with its range turned up to 11 |
| 00:47.25 | ZF101 | Same as the defense against a normal missile. |
| 00:47.28 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:47.29 | Charles_Murray | Or just by shooting it down with anti-aircraft weaponry |
| 00:47.31 | DrodoEmpire | Let's not dogpile |
| 00:47.39 | Charles_Murray | That's the easiest option |
| 00:47.41 | ZF101 | Right right. |
| 00:47.44 | DrodoEmpire | I started that, sorry |
| 00:47.44 | Charles_Murray | Shields won't really help |
| 00:47.51 | ZF101 | Really? |
| 00:48.02 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah they will. :p They're a last line of defence but they will |
| 00:48.08 | AnonyLurk | No. |
| 00:48.13 | AnonyLurk | The missile could simply de-warp inside your shields. |
| 00:48.16 | AnonyLurk | Inside your ship, even. |
| 00:48.17 | Charles_Murray | Unless they're transphasic shields which can operate in hyperspace, then they'll only be useful in realspace |
| 00:48.26 | AnonyLurk | Exactly. |
| 00:48.46 | DrodoEmpire | Charles: I was under the impression the missiles came out of hyperspace just before impact |
| 00:48.58 | Charles_Murray | Alright, let me give a much more complete explanation |
| 00:49.15 | AnonyLurk | The only defense would be to intercept the missile in hyperspace, any real-space sort of defense such as flak, armor, or shields is rendered moot because the missile literally does not exist until it detonates right next to your ship. |
| 00:49.20 | AnonyLurk | Or inside the cargo compartment. |
| 00:49.27 | Charles_Murray | Anony, let me address that too |
| 00:49.29 | ZF101 | They can do that? |
| 00:49.31 | Charles_Murray | You can shoot it down |
| 00:49.37 | DrodoEmpire | Let Charles explain bud |
| 00:49.45 | ZF101 | Right. Sorry. |
| 00:49.53 | DrodoEmpire | More to Anony but alright |
| 00:49.55 | Monet | AnonyLurk: "The missile could simply de-warp inside your shields." pretty much how Riftfire cannon payloads worked |
| 00:50.36 | Charles_Murray | A ship can either be in realspace or in hyperspace, it's a binary thing. If your hyperdrive is on, it jumps into hyperspace. If it's off, it falls back into realspace. |
| 00:50.39 | Charles_Murray | What that means |
| 00:51.36 | Charles_Murray | is that French and TIAF engineers had to devise a weapon that could track a target moving through hyperspace and follow it if it flees into realspace. |
| 00:51.41 | Charles_Murray | So here we have two cases: |
| 00:52.16 | Charles_Murray | (1) The missile is shotââlet's say from a strike craftââat a ship in hyperspace from a distance of a few hundred lightyears |
| 00:52.54 | Charles_Murray | The missile will hone in on the ship using its own hyperdrive, sensor technology, propulsion, etc |
| 00:54.39 | Charles_Murray | The ship has a couple options to shoot it down. It can fire a smaller missile at it which will destroy it, so a specialized anti-air missile equipped with a hyperdrive and hyperspatial sensors. It can shoot it down using CIWS, or close-range guns which fire hypermatter (one of the only substances which can stay in hyperspace without a hyperdrive) |
| 00:55.41 | Charles_Murray | Or, you could try to make your ship harder to track, either through cloaking your hyperdrive's energy signature through the use of technology, or through the inherent characteristics of the craft (active vs. passive ECM) |
| 00:55.49 | Charles_Murray | (ECM = electronic countermeasures) |
| 00:56.43 | Charles_Murray | If all of these fail and the missile gets close enough to make contact, you might be super advanced and have transphasic shields, but more likely you just have armor. |
| 00:57.18 | Charles_Murray | Given that the Angelfire is a physical projectile with a payload, there's still a chance it won't penetrate enough to cause serious damage. |
| 00:57.44 | Charles_Murray | Now, the other case is if the ship flees into realspace |
| 00:57.49 | Charles_Murray | Which imo is a really dumb idea |
| 00:58.42 | Charles_Murray | Because you remove the ability of hypermatter guns, your passive or active ECM, and of your armor and shields to protect you |
| 00:59.05 | Charles_Murray | All you have that can cross between hyperspace and realspace to shoot down the missile is your anti-air missiles |
| 00:59.29 | Charles_Murray | If that fails, the missile will continue through hyperspace until it reaches your exact position |
| 00:59.38 | Charles_Murray | Then it drops out of realspace and explodes inside your ship |
| 00:59.46 | Charles_Murray | That's what DrodoEmpire was referring to |
| 00:59.49 | Charles_Murray | </done> |
| 00:59.53 | Charles_Murray | Sorry that too so long. |
| 01:00.31 | Charles_Murray | Angelfire is pretty widespread and available as a weapon |
| 01:00.36 | DrodoEmpire | No problem, it explained it well |
| 01:00.39 | Charles_Murray | You can buy it, and its countermeasures, on the open market |
| 01:00.57 | DrodoEmpire | Its no weapon of mass-destruction, its just a new concept |
| 01:01.06 | DrodoEmpire | Like the rifle-musket or the machine gun |
| 01:01.29 | Charles_Murray | Oh, I forgot |
| 01:01.35 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 01:01.36 | Charles_Murray | You can also use hyperspace fog to evade missiles |
| 01:02.15 | Charles_Murray | AnonyLurk : What do you think? |
| 01:02.20 | Charles_Murray | ZF101 |
| 01:02.24 | Charles_Murray | People can talk again xD |
| 01:02.41 | ZF101 | erm. Ok. |
| 01:02.48 | AnonyLurk | Right. |
| 01:02.49 | AnonyLurk | So. j |
| 01:02.50 | AnonyLurk | *So. |
| 01:03.06 | AnonyLurk | If you're a civilization that hasn't developed hyperspace technology, or doesn't have the industry to produce it en masse. |
| 01:03.11 | AnonyLurk | You're absolutely irrevocably screwed. |
| 01:03.27 | Charles_Murray | Not at all, you can buy them |
| 01:03.48 | AnonyLurk | Assuming you can't. |
| 01:04.00 | Charles_Murray | They're quite easy to begin to use in your fleet, something I can definitely talk about |
| 01:04.11 | ZF101 | Or you can be like the Mendel stubbornly hold onto doing things the old fashion way. And lose. |
| 01:04.25 | AnonyLurk | Hrmph. |
| 01:04.35 | DrodoEmpire | Anony: If you can't, then serious questions must be raised as to the state of your nation's economy |
| 01:04.36 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:04.37 | AnonyLurk | Wait, why not just shoot it down in hyperspace with a laser as opposed to a missile? |
| 01:04.38 | Monet | Acquiring them is a matter of setting up a deal wth either a French or TIAF manufacturer |
| 01:04.39 | AnonyLurk | It'd be cheaper. |
| 01:05.11 | DrodoEmpire | They can't be used in hyperspace, I don't believe |
| 01:05.28 | Charles_Murray | AnonyLurk : You mean actual lasers, as in focused light, or plasma? |
| 01:05.34 | AnonyLurk | As in actual lasers. |
| 01:05.49 | Monet | If you're in realspace you need a way of firing into hyperspace. |
| 01:05.51 | Charles_Murray | I'm actually not sure photons/visible light travel in hyperspace |
| 01:06.40 | Charles_Murray | Very few substances can stay in hyperspace without a hyperdrive, which is why hypermatter is so important |
| 01:07.30 | Charles_Murray | AnonyLurk: If you don't even have hyperdrives, then you are at a significant disadvantage, I am afraid. But as I said, the Gigaquadrant is much more open than it was 20 in-universe years ago. By the effort of some powers, the sale of technology is not as restricted as it used to be |
| 01:07.44 | Monet | Actually I just remembered |
| 01:08.26 | Monet | Hyperpsace matter tends to be highly reactive to realspace matter |
| 01:08.31 | AnonyLurk | Ah, right. |
| 01:08.39 | AnonyLurk | Things fall out of hyperspace if not actively kept there. |
| 01:08.40 | AnonyLurk | Okay. |
| 01:08.44 | Charles_Murray | I think it's the other way around Monet |
| 01:09.03 | Charles_Murray | Which is why hypermatter is so dangerous in realspace |
| 01:09.09 | Charles_Murray | (and a great weapon) |
| 01:09.27 | Charles_Murray | But in hyperspace, realspace substance just fall out |
| 01:09.27 | Monet | IIRC a hyperspace drive takes things in and out of hyperspace |
| 01:09.52 | Monet | So a hypredrive doesn't need to be on to stay in hyperpsace. |
| 01:10.03 | Charles_Murray | Ghaele, Wormy, and I had this discussion as I was working on the Angelfire, and the hyperdrive needs to stay on |
| 01:10.09 | Monet | Right |
| 01:10.24 | Monet | THanks for that |
| 01:10.56 | AnonyLurk | But, then it would be easy to design a ship to simply outrun and outlast an Angelfire. |
| 01:11.04 | AnonyLurk | If the hyperdrive needs to stay on then it's draining power. |
| 01:11.13 | AnonyLurk | So you just have to avoid being hit until the missile runs out of juice and falls out of Hyperspace. |
| 01:11.44 | Monet | If only real missiles were os easy ot outrun |
| 01:12.32 | Charles_Murray | Angelfire has a range, yes, but it's also very fast. The rules of mass still apply, so you're going to need large amounts of propulsion to accelerate big ships. Then there's hyperspace fog to take into account, which will put more and more pressure on your ship as you accelerate |
| 01:13.05 | Charles_Murray | So if you run into a dense patch of it, or accelerate too fast, your ship will get torn apart |
| 01:14.00 | Charles_Murray | So certain ships can realistically move only at a given speed given how easily they can maneuver through hyperspace fog, which is determined by their mass and how much propulsion they can bring to bear |
| 01:14.06 | Charles_Murray | So smaller ships can go faster |
| 01:14.30 | AnonyLurk | As well as the pilot. |
| 01:14.30 | Monet | Also determined by the power of their navigational deflector |
| 01:14.41 | Charles_Murray | Er |
| 01:14.49 | Charles_Murray | We already established that normal ships don't work in hyperspace |
| 01:14.55 | Charles_Murray | shields* |
| 01:14.56 | AnonyLurk | You might use the tactic of running straight at a patch of fog, then going around at the last minute to trick the missile into running into it. |
| 01:15.20 | Charles_Murray | If it's a very, very dense patch of fog and you're running something like a fighter, that could definitely work |
| 01:15.28 | AnonyLurk | Wait. |
| 01:15.30 | AnonyLurk | Important question. |
| 01:15.38 | AnonyLurk | Is momentum retained when transferring in and out of Hyperspace? |
| 01:15.39 | Monet | Anything larger than a starfighter tends to fly a *lot* differently |
| 01:15.53 | Charles_Murray | (Also angelfires don't target fighters, too small) |
| 01:16.01 | AnonyLurk | So if you're moving at 100m/s to Starboard in Hyperspace, and you transition, will you still be moving 100m/s to Starboard in realspace? |
| 01:16.04 | Charles_Murray | (So something like a patrol boat could evade) |
| 01:16.12 | Charles_Murray | That I don't know, I would assume so |
| 01:16.14 | ZF101 | Gotta go guys. Bye bye. |
| 01:16.18 | Charles_Murray | Take care! |
| 01:16.30 | Monet | I'd love ot see a frigate pull a similar kind of move to a hard banked turn. |
| 01:16.45 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:16.45 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:17.08 | Charles_Murray | Cesterity - TO PORT, TO PORT! EXECUTE THE MANEUVER! |
| 01:17.24 | Charles_Murray | Computer - EXECUTING TURN :: WILL COMPLETE IN FIVE MINUTES |
| 01:17.53 | DrodoEmpire | C - ...fuck |
| 01:17.53 | Charles_Murray | Cesterity - ... |
| 01:18.32 | Charles_Murray | Something like this could definitely execute that turn: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AFrench_Exeter-class |
| 01:19.18 | Charles_Murray | It really has no other alternative than to try and outrun the missile if it manages to get a lock on it |
| 01:19.21 | Charles_Murray | Or use decoys |
| 01:19.28 | Charles_Murray | Which is feasible with a ship of that size |
| 01:19.31 | Monet | The Millennium Falcon was a corvette. Which I think in space fleets straddles the line between starfighter and frigate. |
| 01:20.37 | Monet | That and the Falcon was heavily modified. I can't vouch but a A stock-variant YT-1300 would be half as fast or maneuverable |
| 01:20.49 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:20.49 | Monet | But then again its also a blockade-runner |
| 01:21.11 | Charles_Murray | It was originally a spice freighter |
| 01:21.19 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:21.20 | Charles_Murray | So probably not maneuverable at all |
| 01:22.06 | Monet | Actually I just thought |
| 01:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 01:22.49 | Monet | Considering the number of hands the Falcon had changed before Lando and later Han got it, I'm surprised it was considered a pile of scrap on Jakku. |
| 01:23.08 | DrodoEmpire | Well The Force Awakens made no sense anyway |
| 01:23.15 | DrodoEmpire | Best not to look into it too hard |
| 01:23.23 | Monet | And considering it was a ship owned by Outer Rim legend Han Solo. |
| 01:23.25 | Charles_Murray | At the same time, it was so incredibly old by that point |
| 01:23.44 | DrodoEmpire | Right, fair enough |
| 01:23.59 | DrodoEmpire | *Someone* could've seen how souped up it was though and decided to restore it |
| 01:24.01 | Monet | The Junk dealer could have had it as a trophy |
| 01:25.10 | Monet | But I recall Ren (or was it Rei?) said something like "it was a heap of junk that hasn't worked i nyears" |
| 01:25.38 | Charles_Murray | Ren is Kylo |
| 01:26.05 | Charles_Murray | Rey was the name of the protagonist of that film |
| 01:26.16 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 01:26.20 | DrodoEmpire | Terrible character |
| 01:26.21 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:26.24 | Monet | Well there's a scriptwriting goof for you |
| 01:26.30 | DrodoEmpire | Good acting, bad character |
| 01:27.10 | Monet | If you're going to make distinct characters, don't give then names where half a syllible is enough to mix them up. |
| 01:27.40 | DrodoEmpire | That and she's inexplicably good at *everything* |
| 01:27.47 | Monet | And yet the dialogue that occurs soon after they leave Jakku indicaates that evenough bounty hunters knew to look for the Falcon to find Han that the ship msut have been worth *something* in the underworld. |
| 01:27.52 | DrodoEmpire | Luke had to develop his skills over a trilogy of movies |
| 01:28.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... |
| 01:28.09 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:29.44 | Monet | Okay reading up |
| 01:29.49 | Monet | Turns out one of the scriptwriters wrote for RotJ |
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| 01:31.44 | Monet | Yeah Rey's sounding very strangely like her grandfather. |
| 01:31.54 | Monet | If she is a Skywalker |
| 01:33.29 | Monet | Cosnidering how quickly reporters latched on to the possibility that Khan was going ot be in Into Darkness, the idea seems plasusable. |
| 01:35.39 | Charles_Murray | Monet : What did you think of the map? http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1f/Milky_Way_map_5.png/revision/latest?cb=20160310235618 |
| 01:35.42 | Charles_Murray | Tybusen |
| 01:36.11 | Monet | I like how the map gives a lot more room for future factions |
| 01:36.45 | Tybusen | Yeah it's pretty good |
| 01:37.20 | Monet | I like all the MWC links. Makes the thing really feel like its made up of a thousand different civs |
| 01:37.24 | Tybusen | Just a note that the TIAF Jora Province is unmarked (it's the blue patch way to the left), and the currently-marked TIAF territory is TIAF Delpha Province |
| 01:37.34 | Charles_Murray | Danke |
| 01:37.37 | Charles_Murray | That helps a lot |
| 01:38.06 | Tybusen | I'm also liking the transit grid being shown |
| 01:40.07 | Tybusen | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/8c/Bunsen_Loron.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311013949 Check this out |
| 01:42.32 | Tybusen | Charles_Murray Monet |
| 01:42.52 | Monet | Nice hat |
| 01:43.19 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah the hat's nice |
| 01:43.35 | drom | Aye |
| 01:43.42 | Tybusen | Thanks :U |
| 01:44.08 | drom | Tybusen: Do you think you can may be online tomorrow evening? |
| 01:44.21 | Tybusen | I think so. Why? |
| 01:44.35 | drom | Talk about NS-TIAF diplomacu |
| 01:46.38 | Tybusen | Right |
| 01:47.09 | Charles_Murray | Given that the NS is a Bunsen native, we could involve them in the coming fiction war |
| 01:47.19 | Tybusen | Yeah |
| 01:47.24 | Tybusen | The GSC-Eldarisian War |
| 01:47.32 | Charles_Murray | Could I be around for that ^.^ |
| 01:47.34 | Charles_Murray | ? |
| 01:47.53 | Tybusen | I'm fine with it |
| 01:52.47 | drom | I'm also very chill with that |
| 01:52.59 | drom | Need to go, see ya grills |
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| 02:46.02 | Vincent20100 | »Hey! |
| 02:50.02 | Monet | Goodnight |
| 02:52.31 | Vincent20100 | What year is Da Reckoning taking place? |
| 02:53.37 | DrodoEmpire | 2813 I do believe |
| 03:18.51 | Vincent20100 | Started wrting my part for it |
| 04:22.39 | Charles_Murray | Vincent20100 2810 |
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| 04:33.27 | AnonyLurk | WAZZAAAP. |
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| 04:41.32 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 04:42.03 | AnonyLurk | Test. |
| 04:42.03 | AnonyLurk | Hello. |
| 04:46.25 | AnonyLurk | I say hey. |
| 04:46.27 | AnonyLurk | What's going on? |
| 04:51.53 | AnonyLurk | http://vocaroo.com/i/s11aTP5ySWQ3 |
| 05:05.04 | ZF101 | Strangely catchy. |
| 05:07.06 | AnonyLurk | An apt assessment. |
| 05:07.23 | AnonyLurk | Has the battle of Demogorgon Prime not been written yet? |
| 05:08.00 | AnonyLurk | I can't tell if Attero Dominatus is completed yet, and it annoys me. It doesn't look like it is, but at the same time other pages reference the Tyranny in past tense implying it's already collapsed. |
| 05:10.17 | ZF101 | It's not done, but GD has said it was meant to die from the start. |
| 05:11.40 | AnonyLurk | Meant to die from the start? |
| 05:14.26 | ZF101 | Yeah, GD said he planned on killing them off via Aterro DOminatus from the very beginning. |
| 05:15.01 | ZF101 | We all know it's gonna happen, the universe knows the after effects, we just need to see what happens to get us there. |
| 05:15.08 | AnonyLurk | Ah. |
| 05:15.08 | AnonyLurk | I see. |
| 05:15.12 | AnonyLurk | Cool. |
| 05:21.40 | AnonyLurk | Did he ever say why he wanted to kill them off? |
| 05:24.13 | ZF101 | Cause their the most evil race in exsistance other then the Xhodocto. =P |
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| 06:09.25 | TekDroid | AnonyLurk: The Dominatus were set up to be destroyed essentially. They start a big war, eventually lose, and essentially made extinct by the fury of the gigaquadrant. It was their sole purpose. Unfortunately given GD's activity we could not halt fiction forever (we're already nearly 20 years after AD) so we just have the planned ending canon just not written |
| 06:09.25 | TekDroid | yet. |
| 06:35.50 | AnonyLurk | Did the arms market exist during the time of Attero Dominatus? |
| 06:35.52 | AnonyLurk | Or was that not a thing yet. |
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| 08:14.57 | ImpyDroid | Wormydroid: http://i.imgur.com/9GJQ1Xv.png |
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| 08:20.05 | Wormydroid | Hello |
| 08:20.06 | Wormydroid | Lol |
| 08:20.17 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:22.34 | Wormydroid | Researchers find that sci-fivstyle cloaks where you can see distortions are closer tovthe truth |
| 08:22.37 | Wormydroid | http://m.phys.org/news/2016-03-invisibility-cloaks.html |
| 08:28.11 | Ghelae | Oh yes, I read about that. Even had a look through the paper. |
| 08:29.50 | Ghelae | That article basically summarises it well, though. |
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| 17:14.21 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 17:15.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 17:39.35 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic Huh, this guy is good |
| 17:44.53 | Cyrannian | Updated the featured fictions, take a look |
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| 18:07.38 | drom | Wormy_: Tiny fluffs http://i.imgur.com/deQsEVJ.jpg |
| 18:13.22 | drom | Wormy_ Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/JapcOAW.jpg |
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| 18:14.26 | Xho | Suplex got a feature, eh |
| 18:14.37 | Xho | Well alright then |
| 18:15.10 | drom | Suplex? |
| 18:15.30 | Xho | President Suplex |
| 18:15.35 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kitravasuron_Vanlirasan This guy |
| 18:15.50 | drom | Aha |
| 18:15.56 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/JapcOAW.jpg |
| 18:16.14 | Xho | Kicath - not even sorry |
| 18:17.38 | Xho | Drom: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b4/SkaurovirnComplete3.png/revision/latest?cb=20160310223125 Did you see my moody skauro |
| 18:18.05 | drom | Not yet. But it looks nice |
| 18:18.18 | drom | You started posing it now, eh? |
| 18:18.35 | Xho | aye |
| 18:19.24 | Xho | Technobliterator: I'm thinking of doing a Loron model |
| 18:19.33 | Technobliterator | Oh? |
| 18:20.50 | Xho | Like the one I did of the Skaurovirn |
| 18:21.34 | Technobliterator | niiice |
| 18:21.35 | Technobliterator | please do :o |
| 18:22.26 | Xho | I might go a little liberal with the features since the Spore model is quite raw |
| 18:27.17 | Technobliterator | yeah sure |
| 18:27.32 | Technobliterator | if you can keep their colours while making them reptilian, that'd be sweet |
| 18:30.02 | Xho | Do they have scales then |
| 18:31.13 | drom | So basically dinosaurs with eyes on stalks and mandibles? |
| 18:32.22 | Wormy_ | very cute drom |
| 18:32.30 | Wormy_ | bbl |
| 18:35.24 | Technobliterator | Xho, yeah |
| 18:35.33 | Technobliterator | they're just not present in the original model |
| 18:35.38 | Technobliterator | They're present in the Sikka and Killa Boy models though |
| 18:35.55 | Technobliterator | bbl food |
| 18:39.02 | Imperios | The similarities between Grimbolsaurians and Lorons have always been weird to me |
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| 18:41.44 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 18:42.25 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:45.16 | Imperios | Like imagine if they actually had a common ancestor |
| 18:45.40 | Imperios | The Brutal Brightly Coloured Stalk-Eyed Dinosaur With Three Mandibles |
| 18:45.56 | Imperios | The smarter ones became the Grimbolsaurians, the dumber ones became the Loron |
| 18:46.11 | Xho | Technobliterator: What's the Loron's breathing apparatus |
| 18:46.23 | Imperios | And the Tralor are somewhere there too |
| 18:49.11 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Sakhmet - Finally finished this |
| 18:49.35 | Technobliterator | Xho, I assume their mouth? never thought about it |
| 18:50.59 | Ghelae | Loron weakness: can't breathe while eating. |
| 18:53.21 | Wormy_ | drom: Sacrificed the chance to go on a pub run, that is, running from pub to pub, to complete some programming my website interface direly needs. I hope it won't all be for nothing. |
| 18:55.39 | drom | I see. |
| 18:55.45 | drom | Good luckw ith it |
| 18:57.11 | Imperios | Well they could have skin breathing |
| 18:57.14 | Imperios | Like amphibiains |
| 18:59.00 | Ghelae | That's fairly inefficient, though, and it needs the skin to be kept hydrated (or else take in even less oxygen). |
| 18:59.07 | Imperios | Cyrannian: What is this Triumvirate of One thing |
| 18:59.17 | Ghelae | Unless you're suggesting they have skin breathing *and* mouth breathing, which should be enough. |
| 19:01.05 | Imperios | It would make sense considering they have evolved in a very moist jungle |
| 19:01.15 | Imperios | *evolved even |
| 19:01.22 | Imperios | It is past simple, not present perfect |
| 19:01.24 | Imperios | Grgrgrgrg teses |
| 19:01.26 | Imperios | tenses even |
| 19:04.08 | Ghelae | For an active lifestyle they will need to make the air flow (still air won't put enough oxygen into their blood), so they'll still need lungs and ventilation. But if that's supplemented with diffusion across the skin, it would provide a bit more oxygen as well as prevent them from suffocating while feasting. |
| 19:06.03 | Cyrannian | Imperios: The three organic leaders of the Neraida |
| 19:06.28 | Imperios | >organic |
| 19:06.32 | Imperios | What kind of heresy is this |
| 19:07.05 | Cyrannian | As in, the original cybernetic Neraida created by the Nagith |
| 19:07.09 | Imperios | Ah |
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| 19:07.47 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:07.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:08.10 | Imperios | Hi |
| 19:08.24 | Imperios | Monet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:PAE_Flag_Concept_3.png What do you think? |
| 19:08.45 | Monet | Simple, but elegant. |
| 19:08.55 | Xho | Technobliterator: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/19/LoronModelProgress.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311190832 progress |
| 19:09.03 | Wormy_ | I want to bring back the Borg Collective at saome point after the Loron wars. Their mentality managed to survive through the Grox Meta-Empire and Civilisation, and with the defeat of the evil parts of the Technoosphere, there would be nothing to stop their domination/ |
| 19:09.09 | Wormy_ | I might call them "Grob" |
| 19:09.36 | Imperios | "Grob" means "casket" in Slavic languages |
| 19:09.49 | Technobliterator | Xho, :ooo |
| 19:09.50 | Technobliterator | I like it so far |
| 19:10.05 | Wormy_ | It is also the original name of the Grox. But that's interesting, they could fly casket shaped hips |
| 19:10.15 | Wormy_ | ships |
| 19:10.44 | Imperios | Casket or coffin |
| 19:10.53 | Monet | Original ,but I can understand Maxis' reasoning for changing the name |
| 19:10.54 | Imperios | As in the thing you put a dead person into |
| 19:11.10 | Imperios | This is kinda fitting considering the Borg are essentially undead |
| 19:11.15 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 19:11.34 | Wormy_ | I'm going to get rid of my minor empires |
| 19:11.45 | Wormy_ | They will be assimilated |
| 19:12.10 | Monet | Aww not the Cephalopodians |
| 19:12.36 | Wormy_ | I imagine the Grob/Borg would encounter the Neraida eventually |
| 19:13.26 | Wormy_ | The Cephalodians can "alienify" the Borg to choose a more diverse set of biologies |
| 19:14.05 | Wormy_ | However, plenty of Cephalodians can live happily in the Milky Way Cooperative |
| 19:15.30 | Ghelae | So the Cephalodians sacrifice themselves to infect the Borg with memes that divert their attention to the truly alien species that nobody writes fiction about. :P |
| 19:16.24 | Ghelae | Then the Borg start assimilating living planets. |
| 19:16.41 | Wormy_ | While that's a great plot, I can't see the Cephalodians willingly doing that |
| 19:16.49 | Wormy_ | Apoalos might, though... |
| 19:18.45 | Imperios | Would make sense for the Apalos to do it |
| 19:18.54 | Ghelae | Yeah, that could work. Apalos could cover a planet with an entire fake civilisation as easy pickings for the Borg. |
| 19:19.46 | Wormy_ | The Borg can be pretty stupid. The Cybermen managed to trick the Borg |
| 19:19.56 | Imperios | Considering their intelligence, they have likely at some point become aware of the fourth wall, realised which fictions are relevant and which are not, and decided to act accordingly |
| 19:20.43 | Monet | Dunno if stupid |
| 19:21.08 | Monet | But their "do nothing ot test the intelligence of organics" idea has bitten them i nthe ass many times |
| 19:21.16 | Imperios | Well they have no creativity whatsoever |
| 19:21.41 | Wormy_ | http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Cybermen#History |
| 19:22.15 | Wormy_ | The Cybermen were more cunning |
| 19:23.23 | Wormy_ | They saw kindred spirits with the Borg, but soon after their alliance, the Cyber Controller hacked the Borg Collective, shutting most of it down. He then sent his Cyber Fleet to the Unimatrix 01 to begin Cyberconversion, using Borg technology in the plan to conquer both universes |
| 19:24.32 | Monet | I'm not entirely sure of how relaible crossover comics are. |
| 19:24.49 | Wormy_ | Yeah definitely non-canon |
| 19:25.28 | Wormy_ | The Borg gor their revenge however |
| 19:25.30 | Ghelae | They're not Memory-Alpha canon but that in itself doesn't mean they can't accurately portray the Borg. |
| 19:26.08 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, I'm going to add a Reckoning section to the Milky Way front (hopefully) today after a Cyrannus front one, can you follow up with a DCP section? |
| 19:26.40 | Wormy_ | Yes I should be able to this weekend |
| 19:27.07 | Wormy_ | http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Borg |
| 19:28.40 | Wormy_ | After the Borg were reactivated by help of the Doctor, they destroyed all the Cyberships mercillessly and then tried to assimilate the TARDIS |
| 19:29.05 | Wormy_ | They nearly succeeded but now the TNG crew saves the day |
| 19:29.17 | Wormy_ | And then the Borg decide to master time travel |
| 19:29.45 | Wormy_ | Which has a nice continity with Star Trek First Contact when they used time travel to stop Earth;s first warp flight |
| 19:30.18 | Wormy_ | Sorry, I've completely spoiled the plot |
| 19:32.46 | drom | Xho Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/skej2XW.jpg |
| 19:34.09 | Wormy_ | extra cushiony |
| 19:38.13 | Wormy_ | The Doctor showed a lot of interest in the Federation |
| 19:38.21 | Wormy_ | Transporters surprised him |
| 19:38.53 | Monet | Hasn't teleportation been shown on Doctor Who? |
| 19:38.53 | Wormy_ | Commander Data also explained the TARDIS better than he could. |
| 19:38.54 | Ghelae | Even though his own universe has plenty of teleportation? |
| 19:39.14 | Wormy_ | It does, but probably not 24th century humanity |
| 19:39.32 | Wormy_ | Oh wait, the Demat booths |
| 19:39.53 | Monet | Maybe he thought the limitations of Federation transporters made them seem quirky. |
| 19:41.11 | Ghelae | Data being able to explain the TARDIS better than the Doctor is certainly plausible. I think the main reason that the Doctor knows as much as he does is from centuries of experience; he wasn't formally trained for very long at all. |
| 19:41.40 | Wormy_ | http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/notexactly.jpg |
| 19:41.44 | Ghelae | Unless the name he goes by implies that he has the Gallifreyan equivalent of a PhD, which I don't think is the idea. |
| 19:42.28 | Wormy_ | Well some of the Doctors compansions know how to pilot the TARDIS better than he does. And he struggled to explain "timey wimey" stuff |
| 19:43.09 | Monet | WOrmy_: That panel. I'm not sure is that the Doctor himself or a companion? |
| 19:43.23 | Monet | Oh wait the Dcotor's on the pad |
| 19:43.48 | Wormy_ | In the next comic he had a look of surprise on his face |
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| 19:44.40 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:44.47 | Wormy_ | Guinnan and the Doctor was another good bit http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1uFRSvMZhXo/UDgcqWEV2xI/AAAAAAAAIWk/rflKZZXWLmE/s1600/Star+Trek+The+Next+Generation+Doctor+Who+Assimilation2+%25234+page+1.jpg |
| 19:44.48 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:45.34 | Monet | This just reminded me of what can happen in crossovers |
| 19:46.24 | Monet | Because writers and artists are given a franchise they might not neccesserily know inside-out, you get the odd goof. |
| 19:46.49 | Wormy_ | I don't get that impression from these writers |
| 19:47.02 | Wormy_ | They have experience with both universes |
| 19:47.24 | Monet | Not sayig it's a guarentee. It happens sometimes |
| 19:48.09 | Wormy_ | Klingon Cybermen http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/135359/2619475-19.jpg |
| 19:49.54 | Monet | http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_381,w_587/t_mp_quality/batman-vs-the-incredible-hulk-fc89522c-514b-4527-baa6-c3a837fc1e9f-jpeg-302982.jpg dunno if this might count |
| 19:50.23 | Wormy_ | The Hulk only get angrier, and stronger |
| 19:50.52 | Xho | Technobliterator: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b9/LoronModelProgress2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311195031 |
| 19:51.12 | Technobliterator | this is very good |
| 19:51.14 | Imperios | Monet: I imagine he'd eventually get angry (and thus, strong) enough to kill Superman though |
| 19:51.20 | Technobliterator | I notice you're going in a completely different direction with the mouth? |
| 19:51.23 | Wormy_ | As do I |
| 19:51.26 | Imperios | Xho: He now looks like Jar Jar Binks |
| 19:51.36 | Xho | Technobliterator: I'm still doing mandibles |
| 19:51.38 | Technobliterator | ahh |
| 19:51.43 | Xho | Just doing the body first |
| 19:51.45 | Technobliterator | And the eyes are further forward? |
| 19:51.54 | Technobliterator | probably makes a lot of sense |
| 19:52.09 | Monet | Hulk - PUNY CAPE-MAN HURT HULK'S HANDS. HULK HATE WHEN HANDS HURT! |
| 19:52.14 | Ghelae | Imperios: That'd be a twist, if Xho decided to put long floppy ears on it for the next image. |
| 19:52.19 | Wormy_ | A Celestial could probably overpower the Hulk |
| 19:52.45 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: Gimme potential names for administrative divisions of the PAE |
| 19:53.20 | Charles_Murray | How do you mean? |
| 19:53.26 | Imperios | Like |
| 19:53.30 | Wormy_ | Celestials pwned the Asgardians standing http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1618275-celestial11mw2.jpg |
| 19:53.36 | Monet | Wormy_: Superman's been smacked around by the likes of Doomsday. |
| 19:53.37 | Technobliterator | I'm fairly sure a group of Loron could beat the Hulk |
| 19:53.42 | Technobliterator | Fre'kloar probably could |
| 19:53.48 | Technobliterator | Gratz'kaoz definitely could |
| 19:54.03 | Wormy_ | Hulk can pulverise planets |
| 19:54.13 | Imperios | US has states, France has departments, Rome had provinces, Russia has federal-level cities, oblasts, krais, republic and autonomous oblasts |
| 19:54.26 | Monet | Hulk is always as astrong as the moment demands him to be. |
| 19:54.27 | Imperios | I kind of imagine it to be like modern Russia, where there are several types of division with progressively increasing autonomy, culminating with the Exarchates |
| 19:54.34 | Imperios | *divisions |
| 19:54.35 | DrodoEmpire | Canada has provinces too <.< |
| 19:54.50 | Imperios | Plot twist: Canada is Rome |
| 19:55.16 | Charles_Murray | lol |
| 19:55.29 | Monet | http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/37889/1312733-13657052au1.jpg oh look, Hulk vs Doomsday |
| 19:55.37 | Charles_Murray | US has states, counties, and cities in descending order |
| 19:55.49 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: yoo rofl |
| 19:56.10 | Charles_Murray | States would work for the PAE as well, since the PAE's members used to be sovereign |
| 19:56.33 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: When I meant "several types of division" I meant "several types of divisions of the same level but with slightly different rights" |
| 19:56.53 | Charles_Murray | Mhm |
| 19:57.18 | Imperios | For example republics in Russia (such as Crimea and Chechnya for example) are free to issue their own laws as long as they do not conflict with the Russian constitution, whereas oblasts cannot |
| 19:57.38 | Charles_Murray | In the fiction universe, France has states, extragalactic territories, Free Cities of the Empire, and charter colonies |
| 19:57.44 | Charles_Murray | So I know exactly what you mean |
| 19:58.29 | Charles_Murray | Exarchates vs. states would make sense, while "organized territories" would make the most sense for territories under the direct authority of the Highlord Council |
| 19:58.40 | Monet | Yeah I'm going ot gamble that if Hulk can handle Doomsday ,he can handle Loron. |
| 19:59.10 | Wormy_ | What about Doomsday vs. Thing? |
| 19:59.20 | Monet | Doomsday's power is just onholy. |
| 19:59.37 | Monet | unholy* |
| 19:59.46 | Wormy_ | I'm still not sure who is more resilient though, Hulk or The Juggernaut |
| 20:00.17 | Xho | Gorf |
| 20:00.18 | Wormy_ | I know they had that fight and Hulk threw the The Juggernaut mid-stride, sending him flying away |
| 20:00.20 | Xho | since oluap isn't present |
| 20:00.44 | Monet | Juggernaut does have hi limits. |
| 20:00.45 | Monet | his* |
| 20:01.18 | Monet | What's most dangerous about Juggernaut is once he starts moving it's near-imporssible to stop him. |
| 20:02.20 | Wormy_ | Hulk tosses him http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg |
| 20:02.26 | Wormy_ | like a ragdoll |
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| 20:03.57 | Monet | Ah, looking at what APocalypse said though, Hulk did have Celestial technology to hel phim |
| 20:04.41 | drom | Monet TekDroid: This would make a cool Hiigarian/Kushan-inspired mothership hur. |
| 20:04.43 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/W8elZ4W.png |
| 20:06.13 | Monet | Yeah looking at it, Hulk manage to stop Juggernaut because he's enhanced. |
| 20:07.13 | Monet | More than usual. |
| 20:09.27 | Wormy_ | Marvel universe is probably a strong competitor with the SporeWikiverse for insane levels of power |
| 20:09.35 | Wormy_ | and Whoniverse |
| 20:09.49 | Wormy_ | and Anime some universes perhaps |
| 20:09.55 | Technobliterator | Thanos is nothing compared to the Xhodocto |
| 20:10.08 | Wormy_ | What about the Beyonders? |
| 20:10.54 | Technobliterator | although, I feel like OP characters in fictions like mine and Oluap's are similarly OP |
| 20:11.07 | Technobliterator | as Marvel characters |
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| 20:12.16 | Monet | Depends really |
| 20:12.27 | Monet | Depends on who* |
| 20:12.45 | Technobliterator | I think Da Rogue Warbosses can probably beat the Avengers :p |
| 20:12.47 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Lutetia? |
| 20:12.51 | Charles_Murray | Also, I responded |
| 20:13.21 | Technobliterator | I think we should do more crossover fiction |
| 20:13.22 | Monet | Technobliterator: Ehh I wouldn't say that's much of an accomplishment. |
| 20:13.25 | Technobliterator | because this stuff is interesting |
| 20:14.32 | Monet | I mean sure the Avengers has people like Thor ahd Hulk who could challenge the Loron, Spider-Man could get his arse handed to hi mthough. |
| 20:15.07 | Technobliterator | and Iron Man in the Hulkbuster |
| 20:15.22 | Monet | Spider-Man's only real advantage over a Loron is he cna move like lightning. |
| 20:15.31 | Monet | Although come to think of it |
| 20:15.42 | Technobliterator | Voa'reak and Naktor'zak can do that :p |
| 20:15.45 | Monet | I wanan see the banter between Web-Head and Fre'kloar! |
| 20:15.53 | Technobliterator | haha |
| 20:15.54 | Technobliterator | yes |
| 20:16.06 | Technobliterator | we need to do crossover stories |
| 20:16.20 | Technobliterator | I could have Zargoth cause spacetime defects |
| 20:16.25 | Technobliterator | that lead to this |
| 20:16.48 | Monet | Hmm |
| 20:17.10 | Wormy_ | I've expressed interest in Star Wars- DCP crossover lol |
| 20:17.11 | Monet | That or he conspires with Dormammu or something. |
| 20:18.03 | Monet | I think a crossover would be interesting because both Sporewiki and the Marvel/DC universe have that "contemporary olympian legends" vibe. |
| 20:18.06 | Technobliterator | I'll make a forum about having this story, but are people interested in it? |
| 20:18.44 | Wormy_ | Maybe we should open up a multiverse-opening crossover |
| 20:19.06 | Wormy_ | So we can have Marvel, Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who etc. |
| 20:19.42 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 20:19.44 | Technobliterator | definitely |
| 20:19.46 | Wormy_ | An idea I had was that the cosmic force and gyronic are the same, leading in synchronous occurences throughout the multiverse |
| 20:19.52 | Technobliterator | I know Oluap has his Corruptus Dalek fiction |
| 20:20.04 | Technobliterator | But we could have a more insane larger scale fiction |
| 20:20.06 | Wormy_ | That's why elements of Star Trek etc. exist as coincidences in SporeWiki |
| 20:20.21 | Technobliterator | Also, since we're involving spacetime defects, we could always say that all of spacetime resets after this fiction |
| 20:20.29 | Monet | Adventures i nthe multierse! |
| 20:20.32 | Technobliterator | So the crossover factions can cause as much damage and kill as many people as they wan |
| 20:20.32 | Technobliterator | t |
| 20:20.52 | Monet | I was going to suggest some kind of semi-canonicity but that works. |
| 20:20.55 | Technobliterator | I could co-ordinate this straight after Da Reckoning, if people think it's a good idea |
| 20:21.42 | Wormy_ | I would be more than happy to join in. But I think we definately need synchronicity |
| 20:21.51 | Technobliterator | Of these universes, who could Zargoth conspire with? |
| 20:21.57 | Technobliterator | Darth Sidious? Thanos? |
| 20:23.34 | Monet | I was going ot say Mephisto but probably too cliche |
| 20:23.54 | DrodoEmpire | I'd be fine if these are like parallel realities that don;t effect proper canon too much |
| 20:24.27 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, since it's all spacetime defects that are reset after the fact, its canonicity could be completely open to interpretation |
| 20:24.37 | DrodoEmpire | Okay, interested |
| 20:24.38 | DrodoEmpire | *interesting |
| 20:24.43 | DrodoEmpire | Interested too I suppose |
| 20:24.51 | Technobliterator | You could consider it to be an event that happened, or you could disregard it from your head canon |
| 20:24.59 | Technobliterator | Similar to theories like One God |
| 20:24.59 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 20:25.19 | Technobliterator | also |
| 20:25.23 | Technobliterator | holy fuck |
| 20:25.24 | Technobliterator | Deadpool in this |
| 20:25.33 | Technobliterator | Deadpool vs Sollow |
| 20:25.35 | Technobliterator | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 20:25.39 | DrodoEmpire | What would happen if, say, two people wanted to invade the Borg? Would the Borg be on a war with two fronts? Or would they be completely separate? |
| 20:25.52 | Technobliterator | two fronts |
| 20:26.05 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, so its all still part of the same thing |
| 20:26.06 | Technobliterator | or two different versions of the same borg |
| 20:26.11 | Technobliterator | like |
| 20:26.24 | Technobliterator | TNG borg against one, Voyager borg against another |
| 20:26.24 | Technobliterator | etc |
| 20:27.26 | DrodoEmpire | Okay, so no parallel universe thing that allows two nations to fight/interact with the same thing separately from eachother |
| 20:27.48 | Technobliterator | why not? |
| 20:27.59 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry I'm really confused |
| 20:28.01 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 20:28.08 | Technobliterator | There's nothing to be confused about |
| 20:28.12 | Technobliterator | they're spacetime defects |
| 20:28.15 | Technobliterator | everything is chaos |
| 20:28.16 | DrodoEmpire | So I'm overthinking it |
| 20:28.25 | Technobliterator | there is no order to any of it |
| 20:28.28 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 20:28.43 | DrodoEmpire | Do whatever is the name of the game I guess XD |
| 20:30.02 | Technobliterator | Imperios, Monet, Charles_Murray, how come UNO are listed in Poor Terms on the PAE? |
| 20:30.06 | Technobliterator | They don't exist anymore :o |
| 20:30.30 | Monet | Because I ahve yet ot oupdate the list |
| 20:30.53 | Technobliterator | fair enough |
| 20:30.58 | Technobliterator | Are Da Rogue Boyz in enemies now? |
| 20:32.03 | Monet | That shouldn't have changed |
| 20:32.22 | Technobliterator | Current page doesn't have them listed |
| 20:33.56 | Monet | I mean it shouldn't have changed from the AGC stance |
| 20:34.53 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 20:35.23 | Technobliterator | Da Rogue Boyz aren't on the AGC page either? ?_? |
| 20:37.33 | Monet | There are a lot of relations to track |
| 20:38.16 | Wormy_ | Galactic Empire vs. DCP. Lotsa pew pew |
| 20:38.30 | Wormy_ | GE would win in a grind |
| 20:38.38 | Wormy_ | DCP have upper hand on tech though |
| 20:38.44 | drom | http://m1.wholesite.com/2012/8/2/35731595-0c67-9a84-f138-6fc2a6be2ecf/black-snake-moan.jpg |
| 20:38.51 | Wormy_ | And would do massive damage on the Star Wars Galaxy |
| 20:39.18 | Technobliterator | Wormy_, canon GE might not |
| 20:39.23 | Technobliterator | Legends GE, maybe? |
| 20:39.23 | Xho | Technobliterator: getting there with this |
| 20:39.27 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 20:39.57 | DrodoEmpire | I sorta want to see what a theoretical invasion of the Federation by the Drodo would be like |
| 20:40.27 | Ghelae | The idea was that it's GE + a few centuries, so whether canon or Legends is the history becomes less relevant. |
| 20:40.44 | Ghelae | But the idea originated when Legends was canon. |
| 20:40.52 | Wormy_ | Legends GE I mean, yes |
| 20:41.14 | Monet | Even the "canon" GE controlled over half the galaxy. |
| 20:41.45 | Wormy_ | Anyway, stuff Disney. Legends GE is still the primary timeline in my head |
| 20:41.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:42.32 | Wormy_ | To me, the new movies are an offshoot, or parallel universe |
| 20:42.43 | Wormy_ | And that makes ,e think we should have two Star Wars universes |
| 20:42.44 | Monet | And somehow they were able to send Stormtroopers to search Mos Eisley for two droids and not have scuffles with Hutt enforcers. |
| 20:43.46 | Ghelae | We even had an idea for how a Star Wars-based universe could be an alternate universe of the SporeWikiverse: Capricaeron subverts the alternate-universe-where-dinosaurs-never-died-out trope by having mammals die out then dinosaurs evolve in their place, so the Star Wars galaxy is a parallel Cyrannus where the mammals never died out. |
| 20:43.54 | Wormy_ | Likewise, I doubt the GE could invade and hold DCP space, due to hyperdrives |
| 20:44.10 | Ghelae | So humans evolved and became the dominant spacefaring species instead of raptors. |
| 20:44.24 | Wormy_ | I remember that |
| 20:44.56 | Wormy_ | And to explain coincidences, I suggest invoking synchrocity |
| 20:45.16 | Wormy_ | So we have both universes developing similar technologies and ship designs |
| 20:45.26 | Ghelae | Yes, we can do that too. |
| 20:45.53 | Ghelae | We can be fairly sure that synchronicity is a real physical force in the fictionverse. |
| 20:45.55 | Wormy_ | That could link to Jo's gyronic fiction, as well as the spacetime defects |
| 20:47.05 | Wormy_ | Perhaps we could even simulate our universe in it |
| 20:47.33 | Wormy_ | Where it is unknown if there are other intelligences in light cone of Earth |
| 20:48.05 | Wormy_ | SporeWikiverse pew pewing in the 21st century and making a mess pretty quickly |
| 20:48.41 | Monet | This is sounding like much more than a single fiction |
| 20:49.08 | Ghelae | DCP-GE war is a story all on its own. |
| 20:49.15 | Wormy_ | Drodian cavalry fighting with Napoleon |
| 20:49.20 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 20:49.34 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - British squares aren't so tough now. <.< |
| 20:49.45 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 20:50.14 | Wormy_ | Meanwhile, the DCP contacts the British Empire |
| 20:50.30 | Wormy_ | Which I see great parallels with |
| 20:50.33 | Wormy_ | tbh |
| 20:50.40 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 20:50.51 | Ghelae | So has this gone from the 21st century to the early 19th? |
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| 20:51.05 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:51.06 | Technobliterator | dumbo |
| 20:51.07 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:51.12 | OluapPlayer | FUCK |
| 20:51.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ghel: Apparently. I'm not sure what we're discussing now. XD |
| 20:51.19 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: It's done. I've finished MGSV |
| 20:51.26 | DrodoEmpire | Still that fiction idea? |
| 20:51.29 | Technobliterator | :O |
| 20:51.30 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno |
| 20:51.37 | Technobliterator | Unlocked Truth Ending? |
| 20:51.41 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:52.09 | Monet | By the number of potential fictions involved we're dealing with three primary pointsi n time |
| 20:52.37 | Monet | The 23rd/24th century, 21st century and "who knows when" |
| 20:52.37 | Technobliterator | niiiice |
| 20:52.41 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 20:52.41 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
| 20:52.46 | Technobliterator | I'd ask what do you think of it, but well, you've already seen it |
| 20:52.47 | Technobliterator | :p |
| 20:52.50 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Lutetia as in the ancient name for Paris |
| 20:53.00 | Imperios | It was just a thought, it is not canon yet hur |
| 20:53.05 | OluapPlayer | Gameplay-wise this is one of the best games I've ever played |
| 20:53.16 | Wormy_ | DCP tries and fails to bring order to Warahemmer 40k! |
| 20:53.18 | Technobliterator | Absolutely |
| 20:53.29 | Wormy_ | *Warhammer |
| 20:53.35 | Cyrannian | ~smash OluapPlayer |
| 20:53.35 | infobot | ACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction |
| 20:53.35 | Technobliterator | I'd say I've never enjoyed a sandbox as much as MGSV |
| 20:57.49 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: I was pretty moved by Civ 5's Brave New World trailer |
| 20:57.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I love it |
| 20:58.13 | Wormy_ | I'm not much into that sort of gameplay but I like the game's concept and ideas |
| 20:58.17 | OluapPlayer | Also FUCK A Quiet Exit |
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| 20:58.28 | OluapPlayer | That was definitely the hardest mission |
| 20:58.50 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 20:58.52 | Technobliterator | Yes it is |
| 20:58.57 | Technobliterator | that mission is stupid hard |
| 20:59.07 | Technobliterator | but the ending of that mission though |
| 20:59.10 | Technobliterator | it's so sad |
| 20:59.12 | OluapPlayer | Hope you like fucking rockets to the face yo |
| 20:59.15 | OluapPlayer | Yes it is |
| 20:59.30 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_: Don't like grand strategy? |
| 20:59.39 | Technobliterator | I hadn't been this sad in an MGS game since The Boss |
| 20:59.50 | OluapPlayer | boss was a dum |
| 20:59.52 | OluapPlayer | muh boss |
| 20:59.57 | Technobliterator | ya mom |
| 21:00.12 | Technobliterator | Are you going to play anymore of the game? |
| 21:00.20 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: Closest would be 4X games like Endless Space, which I enjoyed |
| 21:00.25 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 21:00.27 | OluapPlayer | There's nothing essential to do so I don't believe so |
| 21:00.45 | OluapPlayer | I've done all plot missions, all left are those rehashes |
| 21:00.50 | OluapPlayer | And I don't feel like doing those |
| 21:00.55 | OluapPlayer | OH, speaking of sad |
| 21:01.03 | OluapPlayer | Fucking quarantine platform mission |
| 21:01.06 | OluapPlayer | That one hit me hard |
| 21:01.14 | Technobliterator | You hadn't seen that one? |
| 21:01.20 | OluapPlayer | Nope |
| 21:01.36 | Technobliterator | yeahm that one is really dark |
| 21:01.43 | Technobliterator | it makes "you're all diamonds" even more effective |
| 21:01.49 | OluapPlayer | STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED |
| 21:02.16 | Technobliterator | and also makes you REALLY mad at Huey |
| 21:02.19 | OluapPlayer | Goddamn Huey is a fucking |
| 21:02.27 | OluapPlayer | I can't even find a fitting insult |
| 21:03.22 | Technobliterator | I gained lots of respect for Venom |
| 21:03.27 | Technobliterator | because like |
| 21:03.34 | Technobliterator | in that trial |
| 21:03.38 | Technobliterator | I would've probably killed him |
| 21:03.49 | OluapPlayer | I would've definitely killed him |
| 21:03.59 | OluapPlayer | But I can understand Venom's reasoning |
| 21:04.04 | OluapPlayer | Let him live in guilt instead |
| 21:04.20 | Technobliterator | my fan theory is |
| 21:04.33 | Monet_2 | Death can sometimes be the merciful choice. |
| 21:04.34 | Technobliterator | that what Ocelot said about "one day he'll see through the lies he's built up" |
| 21:04.47 | Technobliterator | refers to the day when Hal had a relationship with Huey's new partner |
| 21:05.00 | Technobliterator | and when he realises everything was his fault |
| 21:05.04 | Technobliterator | he drowns himself |
| 21:05.37 | OluapPlayer | Venom rocket-punched Huey off Mother Base. The one who drowned himself was actaully Venom Huey |
| 21:05.51 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 21:06.21 | Monet_2 | I once made the decision in Dragon Age Inquisition to make this Tevinter mage - who did all the horrible things he did to save his son - a Tranquil. |
| 21:06.52 | Monet_2 | For the atrocities he would have ocmitted were he not stopped. |
| 21:07.40 | OluapPlayer | I'm aware about this kind of decision. I've written it in fiction more than once |
| 21:07.44 | Technobliterator | poor old Hal and Emma |
| 21:07.56 | Technobliterator | They have such a piece of shit dad |
| 21:08.00 | Technobliterator | no wonder they're kinda messed up |
| 21:08.05 | OluapPlayer | Otacon had a hard life |
| 21:08.25 | Technobliterator | and he's like the greatest guy |
| 21:08.29 | Technobliterator | Huey is anything BUT that |
| 21:08.32 | Monet_2 | I'm not sure what's worse, VOlim's punishment or being Tranquil. |
| 21:08.38 | Technobliterator | MGSV, the opposites game |
| 21:08.44 | OluapPlayer | Otacon is like Huey except the awful |
| 21:09.00 | Technobliterator | the Otacon of the game is now a massive prick, and the Ocelot in the game is now a good guy |
| 21:09.24 | Technobliterator | it's funny how Kaz has gone so far off the deep end |
| 21:09.27 | OluapPlayer | Starring Revolver "Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot" Ocelot |
| 21:09.29 | Technobliterator | that Ocelot is now the voice of reason |
| 21:10.09 | Monet_2 | I wonder if Huey was in any way inspired by the leaders of Project Manhattan. |
| 21:10.25 | Monet_2 | Or is that putting Huey's crimes lightly? |
| 21:10.53 | OluapPlayer | Huey nearly caused the ethnic cleansing parasite to spread across the world |
| 21:11.07 | OluapPlayer | Intentionally or not, that's pretty emssed up |
| 21:11.10 | OluapPlayer | messed* |
| 21:11.37 | Monet_2 | Yeah |
| 21:11.51 | Monet_2 | Okay not Project Manhattan |
| 21:12.26 | Monet_2 | Either those who worked o nthe FInal Solution in WW2 or the germ warfare laboratories of the COld War. |
| 21:12.29 | OluapPlayer | Cause parasites on MB staff to super-evolve, have birds eat their corpses and spread the parasites across the globe |
| 21:12.38 | OluapPlayer | And these parasites take effect in a matter of minutes |
| 21:12.52 | OluapPlayer | It could cause a massive genocide in a pretty short time period |
| 21:13.17 | Monet_2 | One Justification I can see is DARPA's methodology. |
| 21:13.44 | Monet_2 | "We need to know if our enemies can build X weapon. Let's see if *we* can build it" |
| 21:14.37 | Monet_2 | Yeah my mind's on the germ warfare labs. |
| 21:14.48 | Technobliterator | why did Huey need to conspire with Eli anyway |
| 21:15.00 | Imperios | Charles_Murray Monet_2: Hm, as a more fancy term, would "polity" work instead of "state"? |
| 21:15.26 | Monet_2 | Huey worked under orders of Skullface to make the parasites and Sahelanthropus. |
| 21:15.47 | Charles_Murray | Polity isn't a synonym, it has a very different connotation |
| 21:15.52 | Charles_Murray | "State" implies sovereignty |
| 21:15.56 | Charles_Murray | "Polity" is very broad |
| 21:16.11 | Monet_2 | Sahelanthropus it soudns like he was enthusiastic because he was doing the kind of invention he loved. |
| 21:16.19 | Charles_Murray | So if you want to disempower these constituencies, you might use "Polity" |
| 21:16.51 | Charles_Murray | But they might insist on "State" due to the fact that it enables you to claim self-government more effectively |
| 21:16.53 | Monet_2 | Perhaps Huey is the scientist more interested in an invention's possibility than the moral or ethical implications. |
| 21:18.00 | Monet_2 | I agree with Techno that he probably did drown himself after a realisatio of what he'd been doing |
| 21:18.48 | Monet_2 | But at the time perhaps he was more fascinated with what he was learning from his research and experimetation than what his research was going to be used for. |
| 21:19.32 | OluapPlayer | Doesn't make him less of a little shit |
| 21:19.44 | OluapPlayer | He tried to put kid Otacon on Sahelanthropus |
| 21:19.54 | OluapPlayer | His own son piloting a nucelar weapon platform |
| 21:19.58 | OluapPlayer | nuclear even |
| 21:20.02 | Technobliterator | You know what the sad thing is? |
| 21:20.06 | Technobliterator | I was feeling sorry for Huey at first |
| 21:20.14 | Technobliterator | I felt like he didn't deserve the torture Ocelot game him |
| 21:20.20 | Technobliterator | Now, I feel like he definitely did |
| 21:20.29 | OluapPlayer | I imagine that's the point |
| 21:20.41 | OluapPlayer | You feel sorry for him until you learn how much of a bastard he truly is |
| 21:20.46 | Technobliterator | With Quiet, I definitely felt sorry for her |
| 21:20.47 | Monet_2 | Fro mwhat I heard from Huey's interrogation, the fact Sahelanthropus was going ot be used as a nuke platfor mwas none of his concern. |
| 21:21.03 | Technobliterator | Not really |
| 21:21.15 | Technobliterator | I think he's referring to the nuke from Peace Walker |
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| 21:21.38 | Monet_2 | He sounded much more facinated with the challenges of building an upride bipedal walker. |
| 21:21.41 | Technobliterator | At the end of Peace Walker, Big Boss said that that nuke would cause them a lot of trouble and the whole world would go after them |
| 21:22.06 | Technobliterator | The UN nuclear inspection would save them from that |
| 21:22.12 | Technobliterator | But of course, it was just Cipher |
| 21:22.21 | Monet_2 | But personally I think Sahelanthropus has some glaring flaws in its very nature. |
| 21:22.48 | OluapPlayer | It's flawed on the basis of being a tank with legs |
| 21:23.04 | Technobliterator | the problem with Metal Gear canon |
| 21:23.11 | Monet_2 | A skyscraper-sized tank with legs. |
| 21:23.18 | Technobliterator | is that Metal Gears in the future are less advanced than Metal Gears in the past |
| 21:23.27 | Monet_2 | You can see the thing coming form literally a mile off. |
| 21:23.40 | Technobliterator | and Otacon is all "ohhh I worked on them as my dream of creating things in Japanese anime" |
| 21:23.43 | Technobliterator | but they had already existed |
| 21:23.46 | OluapPlayer | Sahelanthropus could assume a REX stance, remember |
| 21:23.48 | Technobliterator | decades before |
| 21:23.52 | OluapPlayer | It can lower its size at will |
| 21:23.57 | AnonyLurk | Not to mention the numerous problems induced by it being a tank with LEGS instead of treads. |
| 21:24.15 | Xho | return of spu |
| 21:24.19 | OluapPlayer | shoo forever |
| 21:24.20 | Technobliterator | the concept of a tank with legs does not seem too bad |
| 21:24.24 | Monet_2 | OluapPlayer: I mostly rememebr seeing its head on the other side of an Afghanistani hill as it stomped towards me. |
| 21:24.29 | AnonyLurk | Technobliterator. |
| 21:24.30 | Technobliterator | being able to cross all terrain and stuff |
| 21:24.36 | AnonyLurk | It's a horrible idea for numerous reasons. |
| 21:24.44 | Technobliterator | is a decent idea |
| 21:24.50 | Xho | hao bout u dai u fukin fuk |
| 21:24.55 | Xho | Also what are we talking about |
| 21:25.00 | Technobliterator | Metal Gear |
| 21:25.00 | OluapPlayer | Metal Gear Solid |
| 21:25.07 | Monet_2 | A tank with legs isn't bad on paper no. |
| 21:25.08 | AnonyLurk | No. |
| 21:25.14 | AnonyLurk | It has virtually no merits over just using treads. |
| 21:25.28 | Monet_2 | Trying to get a bipedal robot ot actually walk without falling over however is a pain in the bloody arse. |
| 21:25.41 | Technobliterator | Other than the fact that it can traverse far more types of terrain? |
| 21:25.41 | Xho | rollin out den |
| 21:25.41 | AnonyLurk | It makes the tank taller for no reason, for one. |
| 21:25.43 | OluapPlayer | Also, everyone's gonna shoot for the legs |
| 21:25.45 | Monet_2 | Unless you give it feet as borad as its torso. |
| 21:25.46 | AnonyLurk | It adds two giant, giant targets to it. |
| 21:25.52 | AnonyLurk | That if destroyed will wreck the whole thing. |
| 21:25.54 | AnonyLurk | It's probably slower. |
| 21:25.58 | AnonyLurk | It's going to be difficult to maintain. |
| 21:26.02 | AnonyLurk | You have to install balance systems on the tank. |
| 21:26.19 | AnonyLurk | If you had to have it cross terrain, then you could either airlift it or just give it BIGGER TREADS. |
| 21:26.20 | AnonyLurk | Also cost. |
| 21:26.25 | AnonyLurk | Those things can't be cheap. |
| 21:26.49 | Technobliterator | Who said they would ever be cheap? ?__? |
| 21:26.50 | AnonyLurk | It also raises the question of why you don't then strap two more legs on to it. |
| 21:26.52 | AnonyLurk | Or four more. |
| 21:26.53 | Monet_2 | Humans can walk perfectly upright because we have a finely-tuned biological gyroscope. We keep oueselves stable with constant minute adjustments. |
| 21:26.59 | AnonyLurk | That might have some semblance of merit to it. |
| 21:27.05 | AnonyLurk | Some. |
| 21:27.08 | OluapPlayer | He's listing negative reasons, being costly is one of them |
| 21:27.08 | AnonyLurk | Not much. |
| 21:27.25 | AnonyLurk | Cost is the most important factor when manufacturing a war machine. |
| 21:27.38 | AnonyLurk | If you have the option of building one tank with legs, or three regular tanks, you're much better with three regular tanks. |
| 21:27.40 | AnonyLurk | That's triple the tanks. |
| 21:28.02 | Technobliterator | It's not like they just take a random tank and add legs to it |
| 21:28.08 | AnonyLurk | You could also use the money necessary to give the tank legs to just make the tank BIGGER and killier. |
| 21:28.19 | Monet_2 | Technobliterator: Thing is again, REX and RAY were weapons built by the United States Military. Philosophers Legacy or no, that stuff goes on the country's annual fiscal statement. |
| 21:28.36 | Monet_2 | Or it gets listed as a financial black hole which draws a lot of suspicion |
| 21:28.38 | Technobliterator | yeah like we don't spend absurd amounts on the military as it is |
| 21:28.52 | Technobliterator | that we really should not be spending |
| 21:29.09 | OluapPlayer | All in all I reckon the Shagohod is probably the most "functional in real life" of the series's big killy machines |
| 21:29.13 | AnonyLurk | No, no. |
| 21:29.14 | AnonyLurk | Techno. |
| 21:29.14 | OluapPlayer | Rather than a tank with legs, it's just a super tank |
| 21:29.16 | AnonyLurk | You're missing the point. |
| 21:29.21 | AnonyLurk | You could either make a tank with legs. |
| 21:29.26 | AnonyLurk | Which has the numerous disadvantages I listed above. |
| 21:29.28 | Monet_2 | If you're going ot complain about military budgets, America is the most egregious. |
| 21:29.30 | AnonyLurk | Which I guess you ignored the existence of. |
| 21:29.31 | AnonyLurk | OR. |
| 21:29.37 | AnonyLurk | You could build three normal tanks instead. |
| 21:29.39 | AnonyLurk | For the same price. |
| 21:29.51 | AnonyLurk | Which would be more effective than the legged tank each, and you'd have three of them. |
| 21:30.10 | drom | A "tank with legs" would also be a bigger target than a ordinary conventional tank |
| 21:30.13 | AnonyLurk | If you were fighting another military which was faced with the same choice, and you chose the legged tank, you'd be fighting three-to-one odds. |
| 21:30.17 | Technobliterator | I'm not missing any point |
| 21:30.18 | DrodoEmpire | Right, most legged military vehicles are a terrible idea |
| 21:30.32 | Technobliterator | You're not just strapping legs to a random tank |
| 21:30.34 | OluapPlayer | But it doesn't matter in Metal Gear |
| 21:30.38 | AnonyLurk | Oh. |
| 21:30.39 | AnonyLurk | Also. |
| 21:30.39 | OluapPlayer | Because Metal Gear is anime videogames |
| 21:30.41 | AnonyLurk | It can fall over. |
| 21:30.57 | AnonyLurk | That's another thing. |
| 21:31.11 | Monet_2 | The Patriots are ocntrolling every aspect of the United States government (apparently), but they still need to *look* like they're running the nation competently |
| 21:31.14 | Technobliterator | I'm not talking about doing that |
| 21:31.45 | Technobliterator | I'm talking about a scenario where a walker may be useful |
| 21:31.51 | Monet_2 | Personally I think even the Philosiphers Legacy has its limits. |
| 21:32.10 | AnonyLurk | There is no scenario where the walker would be more useful than just a normal tank. |
| 21:32.18 | AnonyLurk | It'd be cheaper and easier to make the damn thing fly than give it legs. |
| 21:32.23 | Technobliterator | We're not talking about tanks |
| 21:32.25 | Technobliterator | ._. |
| 21:32.45 | OluapPlayer | The whole discussion has been tanks until now dumba |
| 21:33.09 | Technobliterator | I just happened to use the word "tank" |
| 21:33.33 | OluapPlayer | Obviously people are gonna talk about tanks when tanks are mentioned |
| 21:33.37 | OluapPlayer | u dug ur own hole |
| 21:33.46 | Monet_2 | Modern tanks are lower-profile than your average lory for a very practical reason. |
| 21:33.57 | AnonyLurk | Oh. |
| 21:33.58 | AnonyLurk | OH. |
| 21:33.58 | AnonyLurk | WAIT. |
| 21:33.59 | AnonyLurk | WAIT. |
| 21:34.04 | AnonyLurk | IT'S WORSE FOR CROSSING TERRAIN. |
| 21:34.16 | AnonyLurk | Because it's focusing all its weight on two areas, it'll sink into mud. |
| 21:34.22 | Technobliterator | AnonyLurk, I'm really, really not interested in the lectures, if you hadn't noticed |
| 21:34.23 | AnonyLurk | Or any ground that's less solid than fucking concrete. |
| 21:34.32 | Technobliterator | If you want me to concede that it's never a good idea to use legs, fine, I concede |
| 21:34.37 | Monet_2 | I think the only good scenario is if the gorund is very undulating. |
| 21:35.26 | Technobliterator | I was wrong, I don't give two fucks about military weapons because all it does is depress me, you happy now? |
| 21:35.58 | Monet_2 | So...why are you playing a game that's all about military wepaons? |
| 21:36.14 | Technobliterator | Because it's fun? |
| 21:36.29 | OluapPlayer | Well a functional person can separate reality from fiction |
| 21:36.31 | Technobliterator | And because the game is about as anti-war as you can get |
| 21:36.49 | Monet_2 | Fair enough |
| 21:37.18 | Technobliterator | It doesn't glamourise anything |
| 21:37.43 | Monet_2 | Though (and it's probably just Kojima's style) it has a very diverse range of weapons. |
| 21:37.54 | OluapPlayer | I don't like the sight of blood in real life, yet I play a bunch of violent games |
| 21:39.18 | Monet_2 | It'd say the game is anti-war, but it does very well to make the whole experience authentic. |
| 21:39.20 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Hm, what would be the formal difference between an Exarchate and an ecumene state? |
| 21:39.29 | DrodoEmpire | Tech: Fine, you conceded whatever. He's allowed to say what he's saying. |
| 21:39.35 | DrodoEmpire | You're not obligated to listen |
| 21:39.36 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:39.38 | Imperios | Also another possible name: Dominion |
| 21:39.47 | Imperios | As in the dominions of Canada and Australia for example |
| 21:40.12 | Technobliterator | The authenticity is the whole point, it's meant to show shocking imagery |
| 21:40.27 | OluapPlayer | This game is too authentic |
| 21:40.35 | OluapPlayer | I don't wanna see Paz's entrails thanks |
| 21:41.20 | OluapPlayer | Almost makes me glad there is no gibbing in this game. If there was they'd probably make it more detailed than needed |
| 21:41.21 | DrodoEmpire | AnonyLurk: To be fair, while combat walkers are a bad idea, I can see some usage in smaller "vehicles" |
| 21:41.52 | DrodoEmpire | For example robotic porters, or in the Drodo's case robotic horses |
| 21:42.04 | Monet_2 | Considering the lavish exposition of the custom Colt M1911 you get in MGS3, I think Kojima may have an interest in firearms. |
| 21:42.35 | Imperios | What are you even talking about |
| 21:42.39 | Imperios | Walking tanks? |
| 21:42.43 | OluapPlayer | Not fiction |
| 21:42.44 | OluapPlayer | aka haram |
| 21:42.44 | Imperios | Shagohods? |
| 21:43.01 | Monet_2 | War is bad, but maybe he sees the firearms themselves as a facinating form of hardware. |
| 21:43.06 | OluapPlayer | Try reading and paying attention next time |
| 21:43.11 | Imperios | THE GUNS ARE GOOD |
| 21:43.16 | Imperios | THE GUN IS GOOD |
| 21:43.30 | Monet_2 | e've come a long way for mthe blackpowder boomsticks of the 1700s |
| 21:43.48 | Imperios | Actually about walkers |
| 21:44.12 | Imperios | This might be the hammerfag speaking in me but consider the psychological effect of a walker |
| 21:44.27 | DrodoEmpire | Right, they'd be terrifying psychological weapons |
| 21:44.30 | *** join/#sporewiki ZF101 (4933de11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.222.17) |
| 21:44.32 | AnonyLurk | Not worth. |
| 21:44.35 | DrodoEmpire | But not great weapons of actual war |
| 21:44.41 | Imperios | 10 tonnes of pure awesomeness bringing terror to the enemy |
| 21:44.46 | OluapPlayer | Pretty fun though |
| 21:44.50 | Imperios | Yeah walkers would suck most of the time though |
| 21:44.53 | OluapPlayer | That's the point of videogames |
| 21:45.03 | Imperios | UNLESS |
| 21:45.11 | Imperios | Unless you have these walker things from Avatar |
| 21:45.15 | DrodoEmpire | Monet_2: Perhaps, but by no means were muskets crude http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Black%20Powder%20Muskets/ArabicOriental%20Musket/Persian%20or%20Turkish%20Miguelet2/al604f.jpg |
| 21:45.24 | Imperios | These would also have the advantage of accessible interface |
| 21:45.27 | DrodoEmpire | Those were more big suits of power armour |
| 21:45.31 | DrodoEmpire | Weren't they? |
| 21:45.34 | Imperios | Get every person in a mecha suit and kill everything |
| 21:45.38 | Imperios | Exactly |
| 21:45.39 | DrodoEmpire | And even then their size straddled on the excessive |
| 21:45.46 | DrodoEmpire | Still big targets |
| 21:45.51 | Imperios | True |
| 21:46.01 | Monet_2 | DrodoEmpire: Oh definitely not. Muskets had their ow nelegance. |
| 21:46.04 | Imperios | Speaking of which, I wonder |
| 21:46.07 | DrodoEmpire | That being said they're not *too* big; Could be good shock infantry |
| 21:46.15 | Imperios | We can make drones, sentry guns and tanks |
| 21:46.27 | Imperios | Why not make little drone tanks with sentry guns on them |
| 21:46.27 | AnonyLurk | Cheaper and more effective to just cut the legs off those things and strap a tread-base on instead. |
| 21:46.31 | Imperios | THROW THEM ON ISIS, DEUS VULT |
| 21:46.48 | AnonyLurk | Use the money saved to manufacture more mechs on treads. |
| 21:46.50 | DrodoEmpire | Well that's more expensive and less flexible than an infantryman with a rifle |
| 21:46.56 | DrodoEmpire | But they'd be great support weapons |
| 21:47.01 | OluapPlayer | AVE MARIA |
| 21:47.10 | AnonyLurk | Use artillery instead. |
| 21:47.27 | Imperios | Well the main problem of the Syrian Civil War is that nobody wants to supply actual soldiers, but drones cannot actually hold territory |
| 21:47.32 | DrodoEmpire | Artillery are *always* used, yes. They're what win war |
| 21:47.33 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/Qh4jeaz.jpg?1 |
| 21:47.42 | Imperios | Well why couldn't you or us just bomb the place and then install sentry guns |
| 21:47.46 | AnonyLurk | Better as a support weapon than mech. |
| 21:47.52 | AnonyLurk | Why is a mech better support weapon than tank anyway? |
| 21:47.53 | Monet_2 | Sahelanthropus might be alrge enough to be vunerable ot artillery. |
| 21:48.05 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Because sentry guns can't hold territory either. :p |
| 21:48.06 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: That's me except I would scream in Old Church Slavonic |
| 21:48.11 | OluapPlayer | Sahelanthropus was defeated by one man with a rocket launcher |
| 21:48.15 | Imperios | BOZHE POVELE |
| 21:48.17 | OluapPlayer | Granted it took many rockets, but it was still one man |
| 21:48.18 | Xho | Technobliterator: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c0/LoronBust.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311214749 So I finished the Loron |
| 21:48.36 | OluapPlayer | y is it so skinny |
| 21:48.45 | OluapPlayer | Lorons have big round balloon heads |
| 21:48.46 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Well they definitely would fare better |
| 21:49.20 | Xho | I went for a more realistic look u dum |
| 21:49.22 | Imperios | They would help hold territory much better than drones if you add a few living soldiers (which Syrians can provide) into the equation |
| 21:49.34 | OluapPlayer | fuk ur realism |
| 21:49.46 | Imperios | A little bit of ALLAHU AKBAR is acceptable if DEUS VULT reigns supreme |
| 21:50.03 | OluapPlayer | jokes on u, ALLAHU was DEUS all along |
| 21:50.10 | Technobliterator | Xho, that's amazing |
| 21:50.11 | Technobliterator | wow |
| 21:50.31 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Then infantry? No |
| 21:50.33 | DrodoEmpire | Not at all |
| 21:50.39 | Imperios | Better than drones |
| 21:50.44 | DrodoEmpire | How can sentry guns effectively patrol? Police the populace? |
| 21:50.46 | Imperios | Aka something > nothing |
| 21:50.51 | Imperios | True that |
| 21:50.52 | DrodoEmpire | Investigate a potential insurrection? |
| 21:50.57 | Monet_2 | OluapPlayer: Imagine it encountering one of these http://www.military-today.com/artillery/himars.jpg |
| 21:51.00 | OluapPlayer | By killing everyone |
| 21:51.01 | OluapPlayer | Problem solved |
| 21:51.10 | DrodoEmpire | Mass revolts and international outrage. :p |
| 21:51.16 | Imperios | Herr Oluap von Player of the Third Reich |
| 21:51.16 | Monet_2 | it = Sahelantropus, I was away |
| 21:51.17 | DrodoEmpire | Plus they can be annihilated by an artillery barrage |
| 21:51.19 | AnonyLurk | Tear gas and tasers. |
| 21:51.20 | OluapPlayer | You kill those too |
| 21:51.26 | OluapPlayer | Kill everyone, no more problems |
| 21:51.31 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah sure |
| 21:51.32 | AnonyLurk | Boots on the ground. |
| 21:51.33 | AnonyLurk | Always. |
| 21:51.33 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 21:51.39 | OluapPlayer | Monet_2: Funny because you actually come across those in-game |
| 21:51.44 | Imperios | Oluap is secretly a closet Nazi |
| 21:51.47 | Imperios | Like all South Americans |
| 21:51.50 | DrodoEmpire | Infantry have a way of being able to resist even the most savage artillery bombardments |
| 21:51.52 | OluapPlayer | I don't believe in a master race |
| 21:51.57 | DrodoEmpire | Even if greatly weakened |
| 21:51.58 | OluapPlayer | I just believe humans should all stop living |
| 21:51.59 | AnonyLurk | Heretic. |
| 21:52.02 | DrodoEmpire | edgy |
| 21:52.05 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 21:52.11 | OluapPlayer | ye *cuts own neck* |
| 21:52.16 | Xho | OluapPlayer, also known as Ulysses |
| 21:52.24 | OluapPlayer | DA BEAR AND DA BULL |
| 21:52.38 | AnonyLurk | *teliports behind u* |
| 21:52.48 | AnonyLurk | *unsheeths katane* |
| 21:52.56 | Imperios | My point is, sentry guns can provide a lot of stationary firepower in theory |
| 21:52.57 | DrodoEmpire | ew katana |
| 21:53.01 | Imperios | Then again sentry guns are expensive |
| 21:53.02 | DrodoEmpire | They can, but that's it |
| 21:53.08 | OluapPlayer | katana is the go-to edgy weapon |
| 21:53.20 | Xho | m'lady |
| 21:53.29 | Imperios | Like I think the only people who produce sentry guns are South Korean |
| 21:53.34 | Imperios | *South Koreans even |
| 21:53.53 | Imperios | And they in turn use them mostly to patrol the wall on the 37th Parallel |
| 21:53.53 | OluapPlayer | That's what you get when people refuse to play Engineer |
| 21:54.00 | AnonyLurk | Imperios. |
| 21:54.04 | AnonyLurk | Better off just using artillery. |
| 21:54.06 | AnonyLurk | Or tank. |
| 21:54.07 | Xho | NEED A CHING CHONG RIGHT HERE |
| 21:54.09 | Xho | I'm sorry for htat |
| 21:54.13 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 21:54.29 | Monet_2 | OluapPlayer: multiple rocket launch systems. For when you want to Murica an area in 10 eagles flat. |
| 21:54.38 | OluapPlayer | Fucking kek |
| 21:55.00 | OluapPlayer | I remember one of those showing up during A Quiet Exit |
| 21:55.05 | Monet_2 | But this is war in a nutshell |
| 21:55.08 | OluapPlayer | But I had more problems with the normal tanks |
| 21:55.10 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Yes, Engineer is apparently South Korean |
| 21:55.22 | OluapPlayer | they were annoyingly accurate at shooting at my face |
| 21:55.41 | Monet_2 | For every new innovation i nwarfare, there will soon come a newwer ocunter. |
| 21:56.02 | OluapPlayer | Soviets more or less sent their entire army to try and kill just one guy and one gal with a sniper rifle |
| 21:56.05 | OluapPlayer | Bit overkill |
| 21:56.08 | Imperios | >Soviets |
| 21:56.14 | Imperios | What is this game and where can I play it |
| 21:56.15 | AnonyLurk | >Army |
| 21:56.19 | Imperios | Also can I defect to the Soviets plz |
| 21:56.23 | OluapPlayer | Metal Gear |
| 21:56.23 | AnonyLurk | It's not an army, it's a swarm. |
| 21:56.24 | OluapPlayer | And no |
| 21:56.28 | Imperios | nuuuu |
| 21:56.42 | OluapPlayer | Yes because I'm being completely serious here |
| 21:56.45 | Imperios | AnonyLurk: You offend the honour of my grandfather *unsheathes cossack saber* |
| 21:56.45 | OluapPlayer | I don't care what it's called |
| 21:57.09 | Monet_2 | Who knows aybe Sahelanthropus was scrapped because yje devleopment of these rocket launching battery things made it a vunerable target. |
| 21:57.18 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/203990-image/Samsung-SGR-A1-sentry-robot.jpg IRL sentry gun |
| 21:57.39 | OluapPlayer | where da miniguns and red paint |
| 21:57.43 | *** join/#sporewiki Farr (ae669c7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.102.156.123) |
| 21:57.47 | Farr | hi |
| 21:58.03 | Monet_2 | After all the stinger guided missile was provided to the Mujadiin to help them against Soviet gunships. |
| 21:58.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hi there |
| 21:58.47 | OluapPlayer | Was scrapped because it had its shit kicked in by Big Boss⢠|
| 21:58.54 | Farr | Do i come here for tip's i am looking on how to create a accurate page with good spelling and pictures for example the waptoria page. |
| 21:59.14 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:59.25 | Imperios | Farr |
| 21:59.32 | Imperios | Who is this |
| 21:59.39 | OluapPlayer | Evidently a new user |
| 21:59.42 | Monet_2 | Actualyl come to think of it I suppose REX and REY were more advanced because they were using 21st century electronics. |
| 21:59.45 | Imperios | I presume |
| 21:59.50 | Farr | ok can i use some tips or suggestions i wish to my own fiction also i'm the one you warned thundrlord1234. |
| 22:00.22 | AnonyLurk | Imperios. |
| 22:00.25 | AnonyLurk | The jig is up. |
| 22:00.29 | Imperios | Are you banned or something |
| 22:00.30 | AnonyLurk | We know you're all just Zergs in disguise. |
| 22:00.44 | AnonyLurk | Is this the new person from the other wikis that stole the Cyrannian galaxy and labeled it as Andromeda? |
| 22:00.48 | DrodoEmpire | He *was* blocked |
| 22:00.50 | Monet_2 | AI pods aside, digital electroncis were still in their relative infancy in the 1980s. |
| 22:00.52 | DrodoEmpire | No Anony he isn't |
| 22:00.55 | Imperios | AnonyLurk: Silly you, we have not spawned enough overlords yet |
| 22:01.06 | Farr | no i am Thunderlord1234 aka Deontay I am the one getting spammed by the wiki contributer. |
| 22:01.29 | DrodoEmpire | You're receiving spam? |
| 22:01.54 | Farr | yes because this contributer is constantly commeting over a fight that had nothing to do with the wiki. |
| 22:01.56 | Monet_2 | Sahelanthropus electronics' were perhaps almost stone-age ocmpared to REY's. |
| 22:02.00 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Formal difference? As in the legal difference? |
| 22:02.11 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 22:02.17 | Monet_2 | RAY's* |
| 22:02.27 | Imperios | As in "What an Exarchate, at least on paper, can do that a simple constituent state cannot" |
| 22:02.27 | DrodoEmpire | If it doesn't have anything to do with SporeWiki then its not our business I'm afraid |
| 22:02.47 | Farr | well i simply ignore him and continue on. |
| 22:03.02 | DrodoEmpire | That's fine, then |
| 22:03.05 | DrodoEmpire | Continue to do so |
| 22:03.15 | Charles_Murray | It's probably a ton of things, including a recognition of full sovereignty and negotiated status with the PAE. It can probably have its own military, its own foreign policy, its own constitution, laws, can do pretty much anything outside of Andromeda without telling the PAE |
| 22:03.22 | Charles_Murray | Must, of course, follow galactic law |
| 22:03.28 | Monet_2 | http://deliveryimages.acm.org/10.1145/2190000/2181798/horowitz_fig4.png I found a chart on transistor sizes over the ages |
| 22:03.33 | Monet_2 | We lI say ages |
| 22:03.35 | Imperios | Right |
| 22:03.50 | Charles_Murray | Definitely must pay taxes and dues in order to participate in Andromedan organizations and agreements regarding security and trade |
| 22:04.19 | Charles_Murray | Only the Andromedan territories of exarchates get to vote |
| 22:05.27 | Monet_2 | Looking at this graph, Metal Gear RAY would have been using trnsistors less tha na tenth the size of the transistors aboard Sahelanthropus roundabout. |
| 22:07.13 | Monet_2 | And the REYs that date from the Big SHell incident could be half the size of that. |
| 22:07.27 | Farr | soo any tips |
| 22:07.30 | Farr | or suggestions |
| 22:07.40 | Monet_2 | the transistors aboard the RAYs* |
| 22:08.03 | AnonyLurk | Read. |
| 22:08.06 | AnonyLurk | Read a lot of books. |
| 22:08.07 | AnonyLurk | All the time. |
| 22:08.10 | AnonyLurk | Constantly. |
| 22:08.12 | AnonyLurk | Good books, classics. |
| 22:08.17 | AnonyLurk | H.G. Wells has a nice collection. |
| 22:08.26 | AnonyLurk | Frankenstein and Dracula are particularly good, though by different authors. |
| 22:08.38 | AnonyLurk | Read all the books, and when you're done, you'll know how to write. |
| 22:08.39 | Monet_2 | So theoretically the AIs aboard the AI cores of MG RAY would be much, much more soptisticated than SAhelanthropus could be. |
| 22:09.20 | Monet_2 | Purely by the fact it can pack 20x more transistors into the same amount of space. |
| 22:09.26 | DrodoEmpire | Right, reading can help |
| 22:09.31 | DrodoEmpire | Even reading fictions |
| 22:09.43 | DrodoEmpire | As for fiction itself, it helps to read the rules and ask lots of questions here |
| 22:09.53 | DrodoEmpire | (Specific ones, preferably) |
| 22:10.31 | Monet_2 | I'd also suggest read some modern books as well |
| 22:10.35 | AnonyLurk | Mark Twain is good too, especially if you're American. |
| 22:11.05 | Monet | The work of more modern authors might be easier to digest. |
| 22:11.16 | AnonyLurk | Huckleberry Finn is timeless. |
| 22:11.21 | AnonyLurk | For now, at least. |
| 22:11.22 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.12) |
| 22:11.31 | AnonyLurk | I don't know of many good authors, do you have suggestions? |
| 22:11.36 | AnonyLurk | *Good modern authors. |
| 22:11.36 | Monet | As great a writer as Charles Dickens was, his sentences were often *colossal* |
| 22:11.37 | Farr | alot of my fictions are inspired from warhamme |
| 22:11.51 | AnonyLurk | I never liked Charles Dickens. Too flowery. |
| 22:11.59 | Monet | I'm currently rading tohugh the works of Iain M. Banks. |
| 22:12.27 | Farr | warhammer the table top |
| 22:12.56 | Imperios | AnonyLurk: Pelevin |
| 22:13.25 | AnonyLurk | I will look into him, Imperios. |
| 22:13.28 | AnonyLurk | Thank you. |
| 22:13.29 | Monet | John Green might be a possible one |
| 22:14.03 | AnonyLurk | I know you must avoid James Patterson like the plague. |
| 22:14.28 | Monet | I ntoice a lot of the authors you named Anon date from around or before the beginning of the 20th century |
| 22:14.53 | AnonyLurk | OH. |
| 22:14.59 | AnonyLurk | A very good modern book I remembered just now. |
| 22:15.02 | AnonyLurk | Station Eleven. |
| 22:15.35 | AnonyLurk | My literary teacher was an older woman, that might have had something to do with it. |
| 22:16.19 | Monet | Maybe |
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| 22:16.28 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 22:16.35 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 22:16.47 | drom | "Station Eleven"? |
| 22:17.04 | AnonyLurk | Yes. |
| 22:17.06 | AnonyLurk | Station Eleven. |
| 22:17.10 | AnonyLurk | Published recently, very good. |
| 22:17.11 | Monet | Then again I think the youngest book I've read in my english classes is from the 1950s |
| 22:17.25 | Imperios | Charles_Murray Monet: Also, there should probably be another form of division for territories that were not originally states, but rather regions formed ad-hoc during the Shattering, or perhaps constituent regions of larger, central states (i.e the Imperium) |
| 22:17.28 | Imperios | Probably with less independencyt |
| 22:17.34 | AnonyLurk | Does that mean you haven't read The Giver? |
| 22:17.39 | AnonyLurk | Because The Giver is a fantastic book. |
| 22:17.48 | Imperios | Like Russia has republics and oblasts for example |
| 22:17.49 | Wormydroid | I am such a n00b with chopsticks that the Japanese chef in a noodle resturant gave me a fork. |
| 22:18.02 | Monet | Mever heard of it |
| 22:18.04 | OluapPlayer | shamefur dispray |
| 22:18.04 | Xho | trolled |
| 22:18.06 | Monet | The book I mean |
| 22:18.23 | Monet | That book i nparticular was The Crucibble iirc |
| 22:18.37 | Monet | Crucible* |
| 22:18.56 | Imperios | One problem with declaring territories like the DI states would be that they would then be extremely bloated in comparison to other territories of the same level, so I imagine the DI for example would be separated into sectors |
| 22:20.01 | Monet | Lines might have ot be redrawn for former Imperial sectors |
| 22:20.10 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12806063_2676772369036603_7605901313425170591_n.jpg?oh=7a2eb7444bb1f1f0e9a0327de8d22737&oe=578F4C59 |
| 22:20.32 | OluapPlayer | nice digimon toys u got dere fagit |
| 22:20.42 | Imperios | Could be |
| 22:20.52 | Imperios | The Divinarium I imagine could be a state because it is literally tiny |
| 22:21.01 | Xho | digwat nao |
| 22:21.12 | OluapPlayer | did u never hav a childhood |
| 22:21.41 | Monet | Xho: They're like Pokemon. SOrt of |
| 22:22.10 | OluapPlayer | They're like Pokemon in the sense they're monsters used by children to fight other monsters |
| 22:22.25 | Xho | dafuq am i lookin at |
| 22:22.36 | Monet | Imperios Hmm given the way the provinces expanded, there might be some disputes as provinces got cut up into smaller bits |
| 22:22.49 | OluapPlayer | I can't imagine someone having never heard of Digimon |
| 22:23.01 | OluapPlayer | I remember watching the show all the time back in the day |
| 22:23.10 | Monet | http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/shows/banner_191.jpg |
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| 22:23.31 | Xho | Oh I vaguely remember it now |
| 22:23.45 | Technobliterator | hi tybusen |
| 22:23.52 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 22:23.57 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 22:24.12 | Imperios | defends the Second Amendment by shooting Tybusen |
| 22:24.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 22:24.19 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/8c/Bunsen_Loron.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311013949 did you see this? |
| 22:24.30 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 22:24.31 | Technobliterator | nice work |
| 22:24.40 | Imperios | Tybusen: Oooh fancy hat |
| 22:24.51 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 22:25.04 | Technobliterator | the Bunsen Loron, aka the Cow Boyz |
| 22:25.14 | Technobliterator | who eat burgers instead of pizza and listen to country instead of rap |
| 22:25.23 | Tybusen | I was also going to make a model for the Bunsen Loron leader but it ended up just being the base model with a fancier hat |
| 22:25.34 | Monet | Tecnobliterator: Or R&B |
| 22:26.06 | Imperios | FREEDHUM |
| 22:26.17 | Imperios | Now I feel compelled to make Lorons in tracksuits |
| 22:26.28 | Imperios | While squatting too |
| 22:27.22 | Tybusen | Yuz'tan Az'troz - da cow boyz is da best, i reckon. dem ottzee dumbas don't got da freedum, bless der hearts |
| 22:27.57 | Xho | Imperios: I might do X'impe for the next model |
| 22:27.59 | Imperios | Xho: Oooh do it |
| 22:28.12 | Technobliterator | I cannot imagine Loron ever listening to a genre like R&B |
| 22:28.14 | Technobliterator | too soft for them |
| 22:28.18 | Monet | OluapPlayer: I don't rmemeber much of the show but I get the feeling that Ty was much less of a shouty twat than Ash. |
| 22:28.18 | Xho | Might do a full body one this time around |
| 22:28.40 | OluapPlayer | Anyone is less of a twat than Ash |
| 22:28.58 | Xho | including me yay |
| 22:28.59 | OluapPlayer | Kid exists to never age and lose all the time |
| 22:29.33 | Monet | Maybe it had partially to do with ohw unlike pikachu, his best mon could turn into a giant T Rex with an armoured skull with ox horns. |
| 22:30.04 | OluapPlayer | Thing with Digimon is that each kid only had one creature |
| 22:30.04 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Better yet, K-Pop-listening Lorons |
| 22:30.27 | OluapPlayer | I remember the episode where Agumon evolved into a massive evil skeletal monster |
| 22:30.27 | Xho | Luckily with Zbrush is that there is a full human body template I can work from so I don't have to do a human body from scratch |
| 22:30.31 | Xho | Which would be a pain |
| 22:30.33 | OluapPlayer | That was intimidating |
| 22:30.35 | Monet | TBF most of Ash's other mons were disposable iirc. |
| 22:30.36 | Imperios | Monet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKjUgLrDEbI |
| 22:30.38 | Technobliterator | yeah that definitely wouldn't realistic happen |
| 22:31.02 | Tybusen | One concept I considered for the Bunsen Loron was weebs but I didn't think it would mesh well with the basic nature of Loron |
| 22:31.19 | Imperios | Weebs as in weeaboos? |
| 22:31.23 | Tybusen | Hai |
| 22:31.50 | Monet | Bit difficult ot decide the right music because both Rap and Country came from the States. |
| 22:31.55 | Xho | ORE WA OCHINCHIN GA DAISUKI NANDAYO |
| 22:31.58 | Wormydroid | What is the diffetence? |
| 22:32.00 | Monet | And Jazz is way too mellow. |
| 22:32.23 | Xho | Fusion Jazz then because why not |
| 22:32.25 | Tybusen | Xho: "I love penises, you know" |
| 22:32.38 | Xho | hail chin chin |
| 22:32.46 | Monet | Though if Loro nare based on British chavs, what about listening to dubstep? |
| 22:33.05 | Wormydroid | Ohgod |
| 22:33.14 | Tybusen | Jo suggested dubstep for Bunsen Loron but I wouldn't be able to write about EDM culture |
| 22:33.33 | Wormydroid | Some Loron inhabited humans bordered my train today |
| 22:34.01 | Wormydroid | Even the ticketman avoided them |
| 22:34.08 | Monet | Loron - I haz a noo wepon. TET DAH BASS KANNON KIK IT! *Ear-screechign whine* |
| 22:34.30 | Xho | Reminds me of the dubstep cannon in Saints Row |
| 22:34.55 | Tybusen | Xho: "mainichi ochinchinsama e negatte imasu. ochinchinsama no hae no tame ni negaimasu." |
| 22:36.03 | Technobliterator | They were originally, but they no longer are |
| 22:36.07 | Technobliterator | now they're just a mashup of lots of different things |
| 22:36.16 | Technobliterator | Loron definitely would not listen to anything other than rap |
| 22:36.20 | Technobliterator | normal ones anyhow |
| 22:36.23 | Technobliterator | subcultures can |
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| 22:39.04 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12800394_10205775706657434_7671156356828119347_n.jpg?oh=1a5108e028b320772bc92b79cbfeb536&oe=57985052 |
| 22:39.38 | Monet | Xho: I saw stuff about that |
| 22:39.47 | Xho | Imperios: Wait hold on I just realised something |
| 22:39.57 | Xho | X'impe's dragon is FUCKING PINWHEEL |
| 22:40.01 | Monet | I don't think peopel maght have realised Blade is Marvel. |
| 22:40.02 | Xho | OR SOMETHING |
| 22:40.27 | Xho | Yeah |
| 22:40.31 | Xho | Blade's a great film |
| 22:40.34 | Xho | The other two not so much |
| 22:40.35 | Monet | Blade's somewhat niche as far as I can tell. |
| 22:40.59 | Monet | That's the very interesting thing about Blade actually |
| 22:41.19 | Monet | It was a diamond in the rough in regards ot superhero films |
| 22:41.33 | Xho | Tybusen: quit ur dickin |
| 22:42.04 | Tybusen | Xho: nah man i'll be stickin with th' dickin |
| 22:43.17 | Monet | Judge Dredd, Spawn, Daredevil, Steel, Batman and Robin, Captain America, the 90s were harsh for superhero folms. |
| 22:43.31 | Monet | films* |
| 22:45.11 | Monet | Early 2000s were a little rough, but not as bad |
| 22:45.28 | Monet | 1990s was just plain cruel. |
| 22:45.29 | ZF101 | The only one of those I liked was Dredd. Mostly cause it was so goffy. |
| 22:46.20 | Monet | But |
| 22:46.32 | Monet | Dredd's supposed to be an angry jawline |
| 22:46.36 | Technobliterator | the Spider-Man films did great |
| 22:47.18 | Monet | Toby McGuire or the other guy? |
| 22:47.35 | Monet | (just checking) |
| 22:48.12 | ZF101 | I know, but their so hammy and silly, I can't help but get a good laugh out of Dredd. |
| 22:48.30 | ZF101 | The new was defiantly better. |
| 22:48.42 | Monet | Superhero films generally stoped suckign after Batman Begins. |
| 22:48.43 | Technobliterator | Toby |
| 22:48.49 | Technobliterator | not true |
| 22:48.51 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 22:48.59 | Technobliterator | the Spider-Man trilogy did stupidly successful |
| 22:49.00 | Monet | I know there were more gems after 2000 |
| 22:49.06 | Technobliterator | Batman Begins just capitalised on that |
| 22:49.08 | Wormydroid | My name is Toby in rl hurr |
| 22:49.12 | Technobliterator | then MCU took it way further |
| 22:49.27 | Technobliterator | now DCEU look poised to do |
| 22:49.29 | Technobliterator | an awful job |
| 22:50.18 | Monet | But in the early 2000s you had Daredevil, Hulk, Catwoman, Constantine and Son of the Mask. |
| 22:50.32 | ZF101 | Oh god. |
| 22:50.41 | ZF101 | That last one. Ech. |
| 22:50.52 | Xho | Constantine's a good film |
| 22:51.19 | ZF101 | I thought it was ok. |
| 22:51.21 | Monet | I'm dubious regarding Keanu Reeves |
| 22:51.25 | OluapPlayer | I remember Constantine |
| 22:51.27 | OluapPlayer | Creeped me out |
| 22:51.29 | Xho | DON'T EVER DOUBT KEANU |
| 22:51.32 | Xho | EVER |
| 22:51.38 | Monet | But... |
| 22:51.42 | Xho | E V E R |
| 22:51.42 | Imperios | Monet: Emphasis on "general" |
| 22:51.48 | Imperios | GREEN LANTERN |
| 22:51.51 | Imperios | GREEN FUCKING LANTERN |
| 22:51.54 | Monet | He's so BORING. |
| 22:52.07 | Xho | throws Monet into the tenth circle of hell |
| 22:52.11 | ZF101 | I liked him Last Samurai. Mostly cause Sake. |
| 22:52.12 | Monet | I saw The Day the Earth Stood Still |
| 22:52.27 | Xho | ZF101: That was Tom Cruise u utter dunce |
| 22:52.37 | ZF101 | Wait. |
| 22:52.40 | Xho | That's also a decent film |
| 22:52.42 | Monet | I can't rememebr anything about Rreeves' perofrmance of Klaatu |
| 22:52.43 | ZF101 | Oh! |
| 22:52.52 | Xho | Day the Earth Stood Still is a terrible film |
| 22:52.56 | ZF101 | Brain fart. |
| 22:53.05 | Xho | John Wick's a good film as well |
| 22:53.08 | ZF101 | How did I mess that up? |
| 22:53.22 | Monet | I prefer the 1952 version of Day the Earth Stood Still |
| 22:53.35 | ZF101 | Old skool is best. |
| 22:53.54 | Xho | And of course Matrix |
| 22:54.29 | Xho | Kind of amazes me now that the Wachowski Brothers are now the Wachowski Sisters |
| 22:54.47 | Xho | They've either had an identity crisis earlier in their lives or they're playing the most serious game known to man |
| 22:55.21 | Monet | What I find wierd is Kanu went from this http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/09/26/565a7aa7-2f5f-459d-860c-e4d2a94b05ec/bill-and-ted-whysoblu-1-1024x6891387881114.jpg to this http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/screen-capture-1.png |
| 22:55.49 | Imperios | Xho: Let's hope a sudden flow of estrogen will reinvigorate their talents |
| 22:55.58 | Xho | ouch |
| 22:56.16 | Xho | Cloud Atlas was good |
| 22:56.54 | ZF101 | When I first saw it, I thought Jupiter Ascending was based off a book, like Ender's Game, Twilight, etc. |
| 22:57.11 | Xho | I saw 20 minutes of that film |
| 22:57.17 | Xho | That was it |
| 22:57.42 | Monet | The only reason I will ever watch it is to soak in that sweet sweet sci-fi scenery porn. |
| 22:57.46 | ZF101 | I don't know why I saw that. |
| 22:57.59 | Monet | That's the only thing that interests me |
| 22:58.20 | Xho | Neill Blomkamp's films are quite good |
| 22:58.37 | Xho | Except for Chappie |
| 22:58.47 | Xho | Chappie's alright but it pales in comparison to his other two films |
| 22:59.06 | Monet | I hear he's working on an Alien film. |
| 22:59.20 | Monet | Personally I'm looking forward ot it |
| 22:59.22 | Xho | The guy's still quite new to filmmaking though so he's still probably finding his ground |
| 22:59.33 | Xho | District 9 tho |
| 22:59.46 | ZF101 | Alien Covenant right? |
| 22:59.55 | Monet | He had an *amazing* launch into directing. |
| 23:00.13 | Monet | TF101: Do you mean Prometheus II? |
| 23:00.21 | Monet | If os then fuck-no. |
| 23:00.24 | Xho | Elysium's alright though but people thought it was a retrograde step to District 9 |
| 23:00.29 | Monet | so* |
| 23:00.42 | Xho | Prometheus is one of those films I find that gets better every time |
| 23:00.49 | Xho | Although it's good but not great |
| 23:01.03 | ZF101 | I was hearing that the title would be Alien:Covenant from some of my friends. |
| 23:01.04 | Monet | I decided to watch it as a comedy. |
| 23:01.10 | Xho | The idea of it's good but I don't like how it ties to Alien |
| 23:01.36 | Xho | The whole precursor idea isn't really explored much |
| 23:01.41 | Xho | As a trope in films |
| 23:01.55 | Imperios | Xho: Cloud Atlas was good, sure |
| 23:01.56 | Imperios | But |
| 23:01.57 | Imperios | but |
| 23:01.58 | ZF101 | Ah, it is Prometheus two. |
| 23:01.58 | Imperios | JUPITER |
| 23:02.00 | Imperios | FUCKING |
| 23:02.01 | Imperios | ASCENDING |
| 23:02.20 | Xho | Like I said I could only withstand 20 minutes of it |
| 23:02.56 | Monet | ZF101: Ah, Blonkamp's take is currently o nhold |
| 23:03.00 | Imperios | I take particular offense on the fact that Saint-Petersburg was used in the movie |
| 23:03.13 | Monet | Yeah Covenant is Prometheus II. I have no faith in that project. |
| 23:03.21 | Imperios | How dare they besmirch the name of our fair city |
| 23:03.27 | ZF101 | I have less now that I know thier connected. |
| 23:03.51 | Xho | Michael Fassbender did save Prometheus |
| 23:03.54 | Monet | Imperios: What did they do in the fil magain? |
| 23:03.56 | Xho | Or at least made it watchable |
| 23:04.07 | Imperios | Monet: The main character's parents come from Saint-Petersburg |
| 23:04.23 | Monet | Imperios: Oh. Could be worse. |
| 23:04.36 | ZF101 | I'd use a different term. Character implies she has a personality of any sort. |
| 23:04.48 | Monet | Depending on your outlook, Greenwich was defiled by Thor: THe Dark World. |
| 23:04.56 | Imperios | In fact they were university teachers who taught SCIENCE and MATH, and met on the SHORE OF NEVA, while fucking STARGAZING |
| 23:05.39 | Imperios | Stargazing - in the middle of a giant city that is also almost permamently overcast at winter |
| 23:05.47 | Xho | lol y |
| 23:06.03 | Monet | Imperios: I find it hilarious that in SPanish, the title has nothing to do with a line from the film. |
| 23:06.25 | Imperios | Huh |
| 23:06.27 | ZF101 | Which is also ignoring any smog and gases in the air that would also cover up the sky and all. |
| 23:06.38 | ZF101 | Which is common in big cities. |
| 23:06.55 | Monet | I've see nvariances of "Jupiter's Ascension" or "Juptier Ascending" in other languages. Spanish? "The destiny of Jupiter" |
| 23:08.09 | Imperios | ZF101: Forget the smog, our sky looks like this http://statics.photodom.com/photos/2011/08/26/2260166.jpg |
| 23:08.42 | Imperios | PERFECT PLACE FOR STARGAZING |
| 23:09.21 | Imperios | BTW that is the actual place where Jupiter's parents meet, except it's on the other side of the river |
| 23:09.30 | Monet | The Wachowskies are a bit hit-and-miss with their stroytellign abilities |
| 23:10.24 | drom | Monet Xho TekDroid: Attack of the placeholders http://i.imgur.com/kHe77BJ.jpg |
| 23:10.34 | Xho | dafuq is dis |
| 23:11.02 | Xho | No I'm actually inquiring as to what this is |
| 23:11.02 | Monet | Imperios: Wait Jupiter's parents were Russian or simpyl met in Russia? |
| 23:11.09 | Imperios | Monet: Russian |
| 23:11.20 | Monet | Because Jupiter is played by Meg Griffin. |
| 23:11.23 | Imperios | I mean even her relatives wear tracksuits |
| 23:11.29 | Imperios | COMRADE MEG |
| 23:11.43 | Monet | Who's not even trying to be Russian. |
| 23:11.56 | Imperios | The lack of an accent is weird too yes |
| 23:11.57 | Xho | Mila Kunis is her name dam u all |
| 23:12.02 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:12.02 | ZF101 | To be fair, she was raised in Murica. |
| 23:12.07 | Imperios | Kunis IS Russian |
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| 23:12.10 | Imperios | Well not Russian |
| 23:12.11 | Monet | Xho: I know it is |
| 23:12.11 | Imperios | Ukrainian |
| 23:12.15 | Imperios | Stupid rebel scum Russian |
| 23:12.18 | Xho | y u no say dis den |
| 23:12.18 | Monet | But, well, Meg. |
| 23:12.34 | Monet | I saw Nostalgia Critic's review of the film. |
| 23:12.36 | Xho | Imperios: HEROYAM SLAVA |
| 23:12.43 | Imperios | SALO URONILI |
| 23:12.46 | Xho | SLAVA UKRAINI |
| 23:12.54 | Monet | After her first line the Critic interjected with "Shut up Meg" |
| 23:12.58 | drom | Monet Xho: Modded inside one of my ship models into Homeworld. http://i.imgur.com/66dgRnw.jpg |
| 23:13.11 | Imperios | See REBEL UKRAINIAN SCUM use this filthy "H" sound instead of glorious Russian "G" |
| 23:13.12 | Xho | ah i c |
| 23:13.23 | drom | The scaling isn't well ruled out yet. |
| 23:13.23 | Imperios | Anyway |
| 23:13.26 | Monet | ALs oher surname's Jones. |
| 23:13.43 | Imperios | Neva being the place where Jupiter's parents meet actually makes even less sense considering they are supposed to be physicists |
| 23:13.44 | Monet | Which...are there any Joneses in Russia? |
| 23:14.13 | Imperios | Well I think there is a cognate surname in Russian |
| 23:14.14 | Xho | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%96%D0%B2_140518_3159-Edit.jpg That does look like a nice place |
| 23:14.14 | Imperios | Ivanocv |
| 23:14.16 | Imperios | Ivanov |
| 23:14.38 | Imperios | Xho: Well in general, the best place to visit in Ukraine is Lviv |
| 23:14.45 | Monet | Then again her real parents are aliens or something. |
| 23:14.47 | Imperios | It's very fancy and European |
| 23:14.54 | Imperios | Also the locals hate Russians |
| 23:15.11 | Imperios | Monet: Alien Joneses |
| 23:15.21 | Xho | I'm calling it cold Italy |
| 23:15.29 | Monet | ALso it has Sean Bean as a bee-man. |
| 23:15.48 | Imperios | Ukraine is not cold |
| 23:16.08 | Monet | Imperios: How is it compared to Italy though? |
| 23:16.12 | Xho | Colder than UK let's put it that way |
| 23:16.21 | Imperios | Monet: IT is not |
| 23:16.27 | Imperios | Ukraine has a very warm climate actually |
| 23:16.38 | Imperios | Like |
| 23:16.41 | Imperios | Think Northern Italy |
| 23:16.45 | Imperios | Ukraine is Northern Italy yes |
| 23:16.51 | Imperios | Actually wait Xho |
| 23:16.55 | Wormydroid | https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-filibustering-in-the-house-of-commons?bucket=fb2&source=facebook-share-button&time=1457725965 |
| 23:17.00 | Wormydroid | Technobliterator |
| 23:17.03 | Imperios | When you said cold Italy did yo mean Ukraine or Saint-Petersburg |
| 23:17.03 | Xho | In that case, fucking hot then |
| 23:17.11 | Imperios | Saint-Petersburg is indeed cold Italy |
| 23:17.16 | Xho | I'm not too sure any more |
| 23:17.25 | Xho | anymore |
| 23:17.26 | Xho | I dunno |
| 23:17.31 | Technobliterator | Wormydroid, I would very much support this |
| 23:17.31 | Xho | Ukraine I think |
| 23:17.38 | Wormydroid | LMAO |
| 23:17.39 | Technobliterator | I cannot stand the immaturity of the Tories |
| 23:17.44 | Wormydroid | Same |
| 23:17.48 | Technobliterator | It's why I never watch the PMQs |
| 23:17.55 | Xho | But yeah the coldest it's got in the UK where I am as of recently was -6 C |
| 23:18.01 | Imperios | Anyway as for Jupiter's parents |
| 23:18.05 | Wormydroid | It is quite honestly scary |
| 23:18.09 | Monet | Technobliterator: This isn't quite that |
| 23:18.14 | Technobliterator | It's basically Corbyn making serious questions, Cameron giving non-answers, or the other Tories just giving football chants |
| 23:18.20 | Technobliterator | Their immaturity is disgusting |
| 23:18.26 | Monet | Fillibustering is where one guy waffles on and on until the session ends and nothing gets done. |
| 23:18.36 | Technobliterator | so, what Cameron does? |
| 23:18.37 | Technobliterator | seems legit |
| 23:18.42 | Xho | BLAME THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT |
| 23:18.49 | Wormydroid | Both are bad |
| 23:18.53 | Xho | That's Cameron's initiative |
| 23:18.56 | Monet | Technobliterator: It's endemic over i nthe States |
| 23:19.05 | Technobliterator | "oh just ignore that my govnerment doubled the debt" |
| 23:19.07 | Wormydroid | We neef real debate in an open society |
| 23:19.11 | Imperios | It makes zero sense for them to meet on the shores of Neva, or even in Saint-Petersburg at all |
| 23:19.11 | Technobliterator | "it was still Labour's fault somehow" |
| 23:19.15 | Imperios | Because while the main building of Saint-Petersburg State University, and some of its facilities like the Orientalist/Philologist building are indeed located in the center of the city |
| 23:19.29 | Technobliterator | "just go read the Daily Mail with all the true facts" |
| 23:19.38 | ZF101 | But Impy it's magical and romantic. |
| 23:19.40 | Imperios | The mathematicians and physicists reside OUTSIDE the city, in the royal garden |
| 23:19.41 | Technobliterator | "btw Corbyn loves terrorists" |
| 23:19.48 | Imperios | They're in Peterhof |
| 23:20.04 | Monet | I still think it isn't as bad as i nthe States |
| 23:20.14 | drom | Monet: I guess I'll get started on making a Sporewiki mod adding the Nomatari Sovereignty as a playable (also unbalanced) race for Homeworld Remastered |
| 23:20.34 | Technobliterator | It's still unacceptable |
| 23:20.43 | Monet | Rememebr that day when the Republicans shut down COngress for a day because they couldn't get their own way? |
| 23:20.49 | Imperios | ZF101: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Peterhof_Fountains_01_-_Big_Cascade_02.jpg But so is that |
| 23:20.51 | ZF101 | When was that. |
| 23:20.55 | ZF101 | Happens all the time Monet. |
| 23:20.58 | Imperios | And that is, unlike Neva, in direct vicinity of the MathMech |
| 23:21.00 | Technobliterator | These people are running this country to the ground |
| 23:21.12 | Monet | I think there was a big one a year or two ago |
| 23:21.16 | ZF101 | They did during the Clinton Adminstration, during Obama's. |
| 23:21.17 | Technobliterator | so much for the NHS |
| 23:21.18 | Imperios | Why didn't the Wachowskis do a little bit of research and film the scene there |
| 23:21.22 | Imperios | Is beyond me |
| 23:21.25 | Imperios | It's beautiful |
| 23:21.26 | Monet | Relating to "Obamacare" I think |
| 23:21.32 | ZF101 | They always throw temper tantrums. |
| 23:21.46 | Technobliterator | they'll probably do their best to get rid of that before their 5 years ends |
| 23:21.50 | ZF101 | Impy: That would've made the scene better I think. |
| 23:22.09 | Imperios | http://static.tonkosti.ru/images/d/dc/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B5,_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F.jpg JUST LOOK AT THIS |
| 23:22.29 | ZF101 | Damn, You Russians got style. |
| 23:22.38 | Technobliterator | If we don't end up with Tories indefinitely, we'll just have UKIP instead |
| 23:23.37 | Imperios | The rise of far-right fellas is just plain distressing |
| 23:23.38 | Wormydroid | Wr are born in an unfortunate generatopna, politically and ecomoically |
| 23:23.56 | Wormydroid | Generation |
| 23:24.10 | Technobliterator | Well, we can thank Thatcher and Blair for that! |
| 23:24.13 | ZF101 | Yeah, we've got Ronnie Reagan fanboys running around proclaiming him the best president everz. |
| 23:24.17 | Imperios | I don't get it |
| 23:24.20 | Imperios | WAs Thatcher good or bad |
| 23:24.23 | Monet | Now Blair I agree |
| 23:24.24 | Technobliterator | no |
| 23:24.26 | Wormydroid | Bad |
| 23:24.26 | Imperios | Like I heard she was respected |
| 23:24.28 | Technobliterator | VERY BAD |
| 23:24.28 | Imperios | But also hated |
| 23:24.30 | ZF101 | I guess the Iran-Contra affiar never happened. |
| 23:24.36 | Technobliterator | Thatcher was a witch |
| 23:24.40 | Monet | Imperios: Both |
| 23:24.43 | Technobliterator | who reversed progress |
| 23:24.44 | ZF101 | Reagan was an ass. |
| 23:24.44 | Wormydroid | Bad for the North and East Midlands |
| 23:24.48 | Technobliterator | and set the country on a path of ruin |
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| 23:24.59 | ZF101 | And yet people love him. |
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| 23:25.03 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:25.07 | ZF101 | I don't get my country sometimes. |
| 23:25.11 | Technobliterator | apparently I have a command that autoquits the channel |
| 23:25.11 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 23:25.21 | Imperios | All I know about her is that she was a feminist icon that also happened to hate feminists hur |
| 23:25.27 | Monet | She had a lot of critics, particularly in the north of the country, bu t she wasn't a spineless whelp like Brown. |
| 23:25.29 | Imperios | Oh and that she stifled worker rights |
| 23:25.41 | ZF101 | Hey, just like Reagan. |
| 23:25.41 | Imperios | And attacked Argentine |
| 23:25.50 | ZF101 | 2 pees in a assholeish pod. |
| 23:26.02 | Monet | She did get a periodic surge in popularity from defending the Falklands fro mthe Argentinians |
| 23:26.08 | Technobliterator | Those were awful things |
| 23:26.17 | Imperios | Bah, silly Europeans with your DEMOCRACY |
| 23:26.18 | Halopediaman | ZF101, during his tenure the economy was decent and he tore down the wall, so naturally people associate those things with his presedency. |
| 23:26.22 | Technobliterator | But you are absolutely right that she wasn't a spineless whelp |
| 23:26.33 | Imperios | I wonder why democracy does not work in our country like it does in yours |
| 23:26.43 | Monet | Actually were it not for that British victory, Argentina may have remained a dictatorship for a few years more at best |
| 23:26.46 | Technobliterator | Imperios, democracy doesn't work here either, pfffffft |
| 23:26.57 | Imperios | We either have an incompetent autocrat, a moderately competent autocrat, or a competent but batshit insane autocrat |
| 23:26.59 | Wormydroid | People in Derbyshire still walk aeound with I hate Thatcher shirts |
| 23:27.02 | Technobliterator | 38% of people voted in our majority government. Thirty. Eight. Percent. |
| 23:27.03 | Monet | Losing the Falklands was the nail i nthe coffin for Argentina's last dictator. |
| 23:27.16 | Technobliterator | It's just more war |
| 23:27.18 | Imperios | Literally Russia only becomes great when ruled by a psycho |
| 23:27.21 | Technobliterator | more warmongering |
| 23:27.25 | ZF101 | Halopediaman: Unfortuante that people are that stupid. |
| 23:27.25 | Technobliterator | which is evil |
| 23:27.27 | Imperios | Stalin, Lenin, Ivan the Terrible, etc etc |
| 23:27.41 | Imperios | God forbid a sane person rule the country |
| 23:27.45 | Monet | Technobliterator: You're factoring in the peopel wh odidn't vote aren't you? |
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| 23:27.55 | Technobliterator | No |
| 23:27.57 | Imperios | God forbid we have some participation in the governmetn |
| 23:28.05 | Technobliterator | 38% of votes |
| 23:28.09 | Technobliterator | but because of first past the post |
| 23:28.16 | Technobliterator | they won. |
| 23:28.27 | DrodoAway | Wait I do believe the Falklands war was defensive on the side of the UK. In which case, they had every right to go to war. :p |
| 23:28.32 | ZF101 | I mean, do people just forget him funding a terrorist organizing and decalring Nelson Mandela a terrorist. |
| 23:28.33 | Wormydroid | I agree with Jo on this one |
| 23:28.45 | Halopediaman | ZF101, it gets worse when you consider the people who call Reagan the purist of conservatives gloss over the fact he was a Democrat before he went Republican. |
| 23:28.48 | Technobliterator | UKIP earned a third of the votes, and a single MP |
| 23:28.56 | ZF101 | yeah, I' |
| 23:28.58 | Technobliterator | Doesn't matter if you like UKIP or not, you have to agree that that's stupid |
| 23:28.59 | Monet | DrodoAway: It was defensive. It's argentina that plays it up as British warmongering |
| 23:29.01 | Wormydroid | The tories have been bad for this cpuntry, for the poor and unfortunate |
| 23:29.09 | ZF101 | I've read all about his shenaniganes. |
| 23:29.12 | DrodoEmpire | ZF101: To be fair, Nelson wasn't the squeaky-clean activist people say he is. :p |
| 23:29.14 | Technobliterator | The pre-Thatcher tories were not bad |
| 23:29.33 | Technobliterator | They were still assholes who tried to cheat their way to power, but the consensus they had with Attlee made them fine |
| 23:29.35 | ZF101 | Drodo: To be fair, Reagan was funding his own little terrorist organization. |
| 23:29.40 | ZF101 | The Contras. |
| 23:29.40 | Technobliterator | It's post-Thatcher that they're despicable |
| 23:29.42 | Imperios | Well |
| 23:29.47 | Imperios | Mandela WAS a terrorist |
| 23:29.47 | Wormydroid | If our country was so good, there wouldn't be so much food banks needed. Our NHS has been suffering. |
| 23:29.54 | Technobliterator | They're trying to kill the NHS |
| 23:29.58 | DrodoEmpire | ZF101: To be fair, don't be a condescending little prick |
| 23:29.59 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:30.06 | Monet | http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm here's the thing that interests me |
| 23:30.08 | Technobliterator | They're trying to defund it until they can reveal their ultimate plan to save it: copy the American system |
| 23:30.10 | ZF101 | Sorry, Reagan just sets me off. |
| 23:30.16 | DrodoEmpire | And didn't bring him up |
| 23:30.17 | Technobliterator | privatise it all |
| 23:30.21 | DrodoEmpire | So fuck off |
| 23:30.23 | DrodoEmpire | :L |
| 23:30.33 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, is that tone really needed? |
| 23:30.35 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 23:30.37 | DrodoEmpire | No, it isn't |
| 23:30.39 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry. |
| 23:30.51 | ZF101 | Well, they where talking about stupid Tories, and that reminded me of stupid Republicans, adn the Big Huncho of Stupid Republicans. |
| 23:30.59 | Xho | That would be Trump atm |
| 23:31.03 | Monet | The past 15 years have seen some of the lowest voter turnout figures since WW2 |
| 23:31.06 | Technobliterator | nah, it's Cruz |
| 23:31.12 | Technobliterator | Cruz is worse than Trump |
| 23:31.27 | ZF101 | That ain't saying much. |
| 23:31.37 | Technobliterator | Trump makes you want to laugh hysterically at him |
| 23:31.45 | Technobliterator | Cruz makes you want to punch him in his oh so punchable face |
| 23:31.48 | Halopediaman | Cruz is by and far the worst possible option since Michele Bachmann ran to be president. |
| 23:31.50 | Monet | There are a wide variety of reasons for democracy i nthe UK 'failing', one of which is less and less peopel are caring. |
| 23:32.11 | Technobliterator | Maybe they're not caring because they feel very disenfranchised by their choices? |
| 23:32.20 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:32.23 | DrodoEmpire | That'd make sense |
| 23:32.28 | Technobliterator | Their mainstream choices do not represent them, and their non-mainstream choices have no chance of gaining any power |
| 23:32.38 | Technobliterator | They tried it with UKIP, and failed utterly to make any difference |
| 23:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | Democracy requires a populace that cares and politicians that care about the populace |
| 23:32.51 | Monet | Technobliterator: UKIP was too spread out |
| 23:32.59 | Technobliterator | Does that make it any better? |
| 23:33.04 | DrodoEmpire | Also first-past-the-post is the system that kills democracy |
| 23:33.06 | Technobliterator | It's completely unproportional |
| 23:33.09 | ZF101 | Eisenhower I believe said the safe guard for democracy is a well-educated and alert population. |
| 23:33.14 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:33.14 | Technobliterator | There's no fairness to that |
| 23:33.16 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly |
| 23:33.25 | TekDroid | Wasn't UKIP 1 seat despite almost 20% of the vote? |
| 23:33.29 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 23:33.29 | ZF101 | Which is why he was the last good Republican. |
| 23:33.36 | Monet | Wel lhow else to we chose wh orepresents each small part of the country? |
| 23:33.42 | ZF101 | I miss Ike. |
| 23:33.44 | ImpyDroid | I think Trump should be given one term |
| 23:33.53 | Technobliterator | With any way other than what we have |
| 23:33.56 | ImpyDroid | So as to keep the pendulum of politics stable |
| 23:34.08 | ZF101 | Do you hate America? |
| 23:34.13 | Monet | Rather than only complaing democracy has failed. Maybe what might help things is considering an actual alternative. |
| 23:34.16 | ImpyDroid | I am Russian |
| 23:34.21 | ImpyDroid | So a little bit |
| 23:34.24 | DrodoEmpire | cyka blyat hurhurhurhur |
| 23:34.28 | ZF101 | Touche. |
| 23:34.32 | DrodoEmpire | vodka csgo |
| 23:34.44 | ImpyDroid | Anyway Trump would give Americans a taste of what we have endured for generations |
| 23:34.46 | OluapPlayer | Everyone hates America except America |
| 23:35.00 | Technobliterator | I really hope Sanders wins |
| 23:35.04 | drom | America also hates America |
| 23:35.09 | TekDroid | Proportional representation is a serious and viable approach. You also have list voting such as IRV, but that requires more than two options to really work |
| 23:35.11 | Technobliterator | Sanders is just such a legend |
| 23:35.11 | DrodoEmpire | I don't particularly hate America. :p I, for one, believe strongly in the principles it was founded on |
| 23:35.19 | ImpyDroid | My fear is that once Sanders wins, the pendulum of politics will swing too far left |
| 23:35.25 | DrodoEmpire | Possibly |
| 23:35.30 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, if you ask me, this is a good thing |
| 23:35.30 | Technobliterator | :) |
| 23:35.40 | DrodoEmpire | No, too much left and too much right are bad things |
| 23:35.40 | OluapPlayer | By tossing tea into the sea and becoming a massive cult of worshipping eagles |
| 23:35.43 | Technobliterator | But, really? It's not like he's radical |
| 23:35.49 | Technobliterator | Not even close to radical |
| 23:35.49 | ZF101 | Left atleast keeps things moving forward. |
| 23:35.53 | TekDroid | ImpyDroid: America is already swinging far right to the rest of the West |
| 23:35.58 | ZF101 | Right moves things back. |
| 23:36.10 | Technobliterator | What he's talking about is just catching up with countries like Denmark |
| 23:36.15 | DrodoEmpire | Left keeps things moving forward, yes- but sometimes, perhaps oftentimes they move things forwards into a cliff |
| 23:36.19 | Halopediaman | ImpyDroid, the majority of congressional districts and states are Republican, even if Sanders won it wouldn't stop the far right from having influence. |
| 23:36.25 | Technobliterator | you know, the successful countries |
| 23:36.27 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Thing is, the force opposing him will be as radical as himself |
| 23:36.29 | Monet | The current issue with young voters is an issue both sides: Young voters feel the governemnt ignores them so they don't vote. And during election season politicians relise that policies that draw young voters might not work, so don't try. |
| 23:36.30 | DrodoEmpire | And this is me as a liberal |
| 23:36.43 | ImpyDroid | Perhaps someone even worse than Trump will win the elections |
| 23:37.03 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, what makes you think, though, that Sanders will move things that far? |
| 23:37.05 | Monet | If Democracy is failing it might be because everone is complacent about it. |
| 23:37.06 | DrodoEmpire | Also to say "LEFT GOOD, RIGHT BAD" is just a child's way of viewing the world |
| 23:37.10 | ZF101 | Sorry Drodo, But I don't buy that. |
| 23:37.10 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing |
| 23:37.22 | ImpyDroid | And I do not really want to be invaded by the Greater American Reich so yeah |
| 23:37.23 | Technobliterator | If you ask me, if other people catch up to what he's doing, that's a good thing |
| 23:37.33 | ZF101 | I've seen these right wing assholes deny Gays their rights simply cause it's in a stone age book. |
| 23:37.35 | OluapPlayer | Nothing good will come of the Burger election |
| 23:37.39 | OluapPlayer | at all |
| 23:37.40 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Mhm. I find that ,in principle ,both the Tories and Labou have their individual advantages. |
| 23:37.46 | DrodoEmpire | ZF101: That I'm a liberal, or that the right if always bad and the left is always good? |
| 23:37.49 | ImpyDroid | ZF101: IRON AGE MOTHERFUCKER |
| 23:37.49 | Technobliterator | no, neither have any advantages |
| 23:37.51 | DrodoEmpire | *is |
| 23:37.52 | Technobliterator | both are awful |
| 23:37.53 | Technobliterator | 8D |
| 23:38.04 | Technobliterator | same goes for the Democrips and Rebloodicans |
| 23:38.06 | Monet | Well that's helpful |
| 23:38.06 | ImpyDroid | smacks ZF101 with the GLORIOUS ORTHODOX BIBLE |
| 23:38.10 | ImpyDroid | IRON AGE |
| 23:38.19 | ZF101 | Ok ok, Iron age. |
| 23:38.21 | Monet | and I said IN PRINCIPLE |
| 23:38.24 | ZF101 | Plz stahp. |
| 23:38.25 | drom | DARK AGE |
| 23:38.25 | Technobliterator | any mainstream politician is a bought off prostitute |
| 23:38.29 | Xho | The fuck is this discussion |
| 23:38.30 | ImpyDroid | It runs deeper than that too |
| 23:38.31 | DrodoEmpire | ZF101: Right, and they're also a *tiny minority* of people. :p Some are in government, yes, but few people actually support them |
| 23:38.47 | OluapPlayer | Hitting people in the head with bibles apparently |
| 23:38.47 | ImpyDroid | It has more to do with the cult of masculinity prevalent against many nations |
| 23:38.50 | OluapPlayer | I remember seeing that in a manga |
| 23:38.51 | Monet | But IN PRACTICE is where things fall abart. Like *every system involving humans ever* |
| 23:38.53 | OluapPlayer | Berserk it's called |
| 23:39.04 | ImpyDroid | *among |
| 23:39.22 | ZF101 | I've tried to believe that. But they just seem to stay in power. Far longer then any crazy little "minority" should. |
| 23:39.34 | Technobliterator | I can't agree that any mainstream bought off politician is ever a good thing, honestly |
| 23:39.47 | ImpyDroid | Then again I doubt Sanders will actually change America that radically |
| 23:39.55 | Technobliterator | Of course he won't |
| 23:40.01 | Technobliterator | What he's suggesting in itself isn't even radical |
| 23:40.05 | Technobliterator | isn't even close to radical |
| 23:40.08 | Halopediaman | ZF101, thank the primary system and "not my congressmen" syndrome. |
| 23:40.28 | Technobliterator | It just looks radical because Wall Street are terrified of losing their oligarchy |
| 23:40.45 | Monet | Current politicians have ended up in a situation because al lthey care about is doing just enough to get reelected |
| 23:40.48 | OluapPlayer | Sanders is not gonna win. People are gonna vote for Trump because the populace are a bunch of idiots who would vote for a literal clown because "he sed funi thing in public xd" |
| 23:40.53 | Halopediaman | "Congress is terrible, but /my/ congressmen is fighting the good fight!" |
| 23:41.47 | ZF101 | Not my congressmen because I research. Like good old Ike always said, safeguard of democracy is education and being informed. |
| 23:41.48 | OluapPlayer | And that's going for the more positive look. I particularly think all elections everywhere are rigged to some extent |
| 23:41.54 | Monet | If Trump wins, it might say a lot about how shallow and transient the political process has become. |
| 23:42.10 | Technobliterator | Or just how much the GOP has failed |
| 23:42.16 | ZF101 | I make sure I'm educated about everything. |
| 23:42.26 | Technobliterator | ZF101, not a lot of people do, unfortunately |
| 23:42.29 | Monet | ZF101: That's a good thing. |
| 23:42.43 | Technobliterator | Sometimes purposefully |
| 23:42.55 | ZF101 | Yeah, well, it's America. I'm certian the other countries have smarter people...Right? |
| 23:42.58 | Technobliterator | I'm staying uneducated about the EU referendum, because I'm sick and tired of hearing about it. |
| 23:43.01 | OluapPlayer | The great majority doesn't educate itself. It goes for the coolest and most attractive option |
| 23:43.13 | ZF101 | HEnce the Reagan years. |
| 23:43.14 | Halopediaman | OluapPlayer, it's actually amazing how this election cycle has set itself up to be entirely uncharted waters. Normally a Trump figure would lead to an automatic Democrat win because a significant portion of Republicans wouldn't show up to vote in November. But those Republicans who hate Trump will never want to see either Hillary or Sanders be President. In turn, the Democrats fear a Trump |
| 23:43.14 | Halopediaman | (or Cruz) presidency. I have a feeling there is going to be record turnout in November. |
| 23:43.51 | OluapPlayer | I don't actually know what "Democrat" or "Republican" mean |
| 23:44.01 | OluapPlayer | These words get tossed around a lot and I'm like "wuh" |
| 23:44.05 | ZF101 | Democrat - left, Republican - Right. |
| 23:44.10 | Monet | Technobliterator: Your choice. Though my advice is unless you want to come across as like one of those people who would vote for Trump, don't decide based on your opinion of whose PM. |
| 23:44.11 | Technobliterator | They're the names of the parties |
| 23:44.13 | OluapPlayer | These also mean nothing to me |
| 23:44.19 | ZF101 | One's a slightly bigger asshole. |
| 23:44.27 | DrodoEmpire | Democrat is one corrupt political party, the Republicans are another corrupt political party |
| 23:44.34 | DrodoEmpire | There's really no difference, pick one |
| 23:44.35 | OluapPlayer | See, our parties have actual names |
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| 23:44.41 | OluapPlayer | usually in the form of abbreviations |
| 23:44.42 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, Trump is running as a Republican, Sanders is running as a Democrat |
| 23:44.49 | Technobliterator | this is basically all you need to know |
| 23:44.52 | Technobliterator | to follow what's going on |
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| 23:45.00 | OluapPlayer | I don't know what "left" or "right" mean |
| 23:45.10 | OluapPlayer | These words have no meaning to me besides directions |
| 23:45.13 | ZF101 | Left - Liberal, Right - Conservative. |
| 23:45.25 | DrodoEmpire | Well, its far more complex than that, but sort-of |
| 23:45.28 | Technobliterator | Far left - communist, far right - fascist |
| 23:45.29 | ZF101 | And all are assholes. |
| 23:45.47 | OluapPlayer | Uh huh |
| 23:45.59 | DrodoEmpire | There's also "Libertarian", which is individualist and pro-rights, and "authoritarian" which is, well, authoritiarian |
| 23:46.05 | Monet | Technobliterator: That's no better |
| 23:46.11 | DrodoEmpire | One can be "Libertarian left" which means a liberal most of the time |
| 23:46.15 | Technobliterator | What is no better? |
| 23:46.20 | DrodoEmpire | Or whatever else |
| 23:46.26 | Monet | "Far left - communist, far right - fascist" |
| 23:46.29 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly to me the only meaningful political direction is |
| 23:46.29 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 23:46.33 | Technobliterator | I was explaining what they were |
| 23:46.35 | Monet | Well sort of |
| 23:46.43 | DrodoEmpire | *Libertarian or authoritarian. I really don't care whether you are left or right |
| 23:46.59 | Xho | Basically |
| 23:47.08 | Xho | Left - Cunts Middle - Cunts Right - Cunts |
| 23:47.08 | Technobliterator | I disagree, I think if you're a conservative you're an asshat who hates people |
| 23:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | And that means you have the political views of an emotional child :p |
| 23:47.29 | Monet | COnservatives live by the idea that inequality is a fact of life. |
| 23:47.40 | ZF101 | And embrace it most of hte time. |
| 23:47.43 | Monet | And that it can't be eradicated. |
| 23:48.00 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, so it's childish to think that people who want to take rights away from other people and go around warmongering are evil? .___. |
| 23:48.13 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Commies -> Socialists -> Liberals -> Conservatives -> Nazis |
| 23:48.13 | ZF101 | I miss Teddy Roosevelt. |
| 23:48.16 | ImpyDroid | Basically this |
| 23:48.17 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, because you conflate that behavior with *all* conservatives |
| 23:48.20 | DrodoEmpire | Which is idiotic |
| 23:48.27 | OluapPlayer | I don't know how to fit the parties over here in that kind of nomenclature. Everything here is the same corrupt shit stain that never changes anything |
| 23:48.27 | ImpyDroid | SJWs are far left for example |
| 23:48.28 | Xho | As Frankie Boyle describes it, "Basically you're voting for a position to get fucked in" |
| 23:48.35 | Technobliterator | Not true at all. Those are literally conservative ideals. |
| 23:48.45 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Welcome to the club |
| 23:48.49 | DrodoEmpire | No, "conservative ideals" are sticking to the status quo |
| 23:49.03 | OluapPlayer | At least Putin is entertaining |
| 23:49.03 | ImpyDroid | We are right wing mostly |
| 23:49.09 | ZF101 | Except I think Conservative ideals have gotten more warped these days. |
| 23:49.09 | ImpyDroid | True |
| 23:49.25 | DrodoEmpire | To say conservative ideals are killing and raping all the time is like saying Liberals are about state-mandated abortions and communism |
| 23:49.36 | OluapPlayer | Our president is so much of an idiot, people are actually getting very vocal about wanting an impeachment |
| 23:49.39 | DrodoEmpire | Neither are remotely true |
| 23:49.48 | ZF101 | Status Quo now means funding terrorist organizations in South America, for example. |
| 23:49.56 | Technobliterator | If your views are that it's fine to be racist, it's fine to be homophobic, it's fine to go off bombing other places to bits as long as they don't touch us, then I'm sorry, but you're evil |
| 23:49.58 | Monet | You're painting hundreds, thousands of peope lwith the same brush. |
| 23:50.05 | Technobliterator | There is no other way to put it |
| 23:50.11 | Technobliterator | If you support this, you're a piece of shit |
| 23:50.20 | ZF101 | If they don't like that, they need to vote differently. |
| 23:50.22 | OluapPlayer | She's a literal successor to the previous president |
| 23:50.30 | DrodoEmpire | Except not all conservatives/liberals think the exact same way on issues |
| 23:50.30 | OluapPlayer | You can tell he's the actual man behind the mirror |
| 23:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | There's shades and nuance |
| 23:50.41 | DrodoEmpire | Things you apparently don't or refuse to understand |
| 23:50.50 | OluapPlayer | He actually got caught in a big corrupt scandal recently. There's talks of him even being arrested |
| 23:50.57 | Technobliterator | There's no nuance when it comes to the things I just brought up |
| 23:50.58 | OluapPlayer | An ex-president being arrested is kinda new |
| 23:51.00 | DrodoEmpire | The conservatives I talk to, for example, don't actually really agree with, say, the Iraq war |
| 23:51.03 | ZF101 | I would believe that, if they didn't rally under guys like Trump. |
| 23:51.07 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Yikes. |
| 23:51.15 | Technobliterator | Then you're talking about completely different conservatives to the ones I'm talking about |
| 23:51.16 | DrodoEmpire | We may disagree on economic policy, sure |
| 23:51.20 | DrodoEmpire | Right, |
| 23:51.21 | Technobliterator | I'm talking very specifically about the GOP |
| 23:51.26 | OluapPlayer | A politician getting arrested or punished ever though |
| 23:51.32 | DrodoEmpire | So you concede that there 8are* different types of conservative |
| 23:51.34 | Technobliterator | I don't care about fiscal conservatism |
| 23:51.35 | DrodoEmpire | To think of it |
| 23:51.36 | DrodoEmpire | :o |
| 23:51.38 | OluapPlayer | You'd get luckier finding a nail in a hay pile |
| 23:51.54 | Technobliterator | If you want less government than me, fine |
| 23:51.57 | Technobliterator | I don't care about that |
| 23:52.00 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, they're called "politicians" |
| 23:52.15 | DrodoEmpire | Politicians tend to be power-hungry assholes not afraid to kill people |
| 23:52.17 | Technobliterator | If you're racist, if you're homophobic, if you support warmongering, there is no nuance |
| 23:52.20 | ZF101 | Almost all GOP talk of blowing shit up, and being into "Traditional Marriage". |
| 23:52.20 | Technobliterator | you're just a prick |
| 23:52.23 | DrodoEmpire | From every political stripe |
| 23:52.36 | OluapPlayer | Anarchy when |
| 23:52.36 | DrodoEmpire | Right, and not every- not most, conservatives are like that |
| 23:52.41 | DrodoEmpire | Unlike what you |
| 23:52.46 | DrodoEmpire | d*you'd sooner believe |
| 23:52.51 | OluapPlayer | Let's devolve into caveman hierarchy |
| 23:52.54 | Technobliterator | I wouldn't |
| 23:52.56 | OluapPlayer | The one with the biggest club is the ruler |
| 23:52.59 | OluapPlayer | RULES OF NATURE |
| 23:53.07 | Monet | My local Tory MP is in favour of greater renewable energy sourcing, what does that say about her? |
| 23:53.14 | Xho | define club pls |
| 23:53.22 | Technobliterator | That she's with the wrong party, in most cases |
| 23:53.23 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: It may not be fine to be racist or homophobic but we should not persecute those holding these views |
| 23:53.33 | OluapPlayer | a primitive bludgeoning weapon used to hit you in the head |
| 23:53.37 | ImpyDroid | Besides I think most people are racist |
| 23:53.38 | Xho | Right |
| 23:53.38 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, I agree, people can be misled into them |
| 23:53.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: And then, inevitably, chiefdoms form, then kingdoms, then parliamentary systems... Then now |
| 23:53.42 | Monet | Technobliterator: This is what Drodo is saying |
| 23:53.47 | OluapPlayer | fug |
| 23:53.47 | Xho | Depending on the context I was not sure whether I had one |
| 23:53.49 | Xho | I still don't |
| 23:53.54 | OluapPlayer | We're stuck in a vicious cycle |
| 23:53.57 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes, that and that not all or most conservatives are homophobes |
| 23:54.01 | DrodoEmpire | And baby-eating monsters |
| 23:54.04 | ImpyDroid | Most of the people I know are at least slightly racist |
| 23:54.10 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: So it doesn't work out |
| 23:54.13 | DrodoEmpire | :< |
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| 23:54.19 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, but I'm not talking about the ones who aren't |
| 23:54.20 | ZF101 | We're all racist in some way. |
| 23:54.27 | Wormydroid | Hu |
| 23:54.28 | OluapPlayer | This brings me to my original plan once more |
| 23:54.33 | ZF101 | I hate Antarticans. |
| 23:54.33 | DrodoEmpire | Then stop referring to "conservatives" as a whole |
| 23:54.34 | OluapPlayer | aka killing off humankind |
| 23:54.36 | OluapPlayer | RULES OF NATURE |
| 23:54.39 | Monet | By labelling *all* tories as evil warmongerers, you're as genralising as what you claim the peopel you hate are. |
| 23:55.09 | Halopediaman | There are important differences to be made between socially conservative and fiscally conservative. |
| 23:55.10 | Xho | How about we just go total extinction on humanity |
| 23:55.20 | OluapPlayer | dunt copy muh plans |
| 23:55.22 | Xho | That way, no one has an opinion because everyone's a pile of ash |
| 23:55.22 | OluapPlayer | muh plans |
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| 23:55.25 | ZF101 | I'm with Xho and Oluap. |
| 23:55.33 | ZF101 | Let the galaxy burn. |
| 23:55.34 | Wormydroid | I'm a liberal leftist, neither suites me |
| 23:55.34 | DrodoEmpire | Halo: Right, and honestly I don't disagree entirely with either |
| 23:55.45 | DrodoEmpire | There are plenty of bits I disagree with, others I do agree with |
| 23:55.53 | Technobliterator | Not only was I not talking about them, but I'm not just generalising, because that's what they actually voted for |
| 23:55.57 | Xho | Right well we might as well begin the ritual to summon at least one of the Xhodocto to purge Earth |
| 23:55.58 | DrodoEmpire | 'Cause I'm a nuanced human being capable of seeing both sides of the argument |
| 23:56.00 | Wormydroid | But understand most of my background is working class |
| 23:56.08 | Technobliterator | But anyway, I'm done talking about this |
| 23:56.11 | ImpyDroid | "Fucking Muslims taking over muh country" "I am okay with Russians but HOW DARE THEY HAVE CHRISTIANISED US GLORIOUS TATARS" "Ooh, a black guy in a comic, boooo" "You are dating a Russian? SHAMEFUR DISPRAY" |
| 23:56.16 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - THIS PLACE NEEDS NEW DECORATING *turns oceans into hot cheese salsa* |
| 23:56.24 | Xho | delicious |
| 23:56.25 | ImpyDroid | So yeah everyone is racist |
| 23:56.27 | Xho | devastating but delicious |
| 23:56.28 | Technobliterator | I will agree I didn't express myself well |
| 23:56.44 | Technobliterator | But I thought people were at least able to understand what I was trying to say |
| 23:56.53 | ZF101 | Yeah, maybe we should mvoe on. I wanna hear more the Cheese ocean. |
| 23:56.59 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah lets move on |
| 23:57.01 | OluapPlayer | Pros of destroying humankind: no more problems Cons: fiction would literally stop forever |
| 23:57.06 | OluapPlayer | Conclusion: not worth it |
| 23:57.12 | Technobliterator | well |
| 23:57.14 | DrodoEmpire | Fiction shud keep goin |
| 23:57.21 | Technobliterator | we can always rewrite ourselves as AIs |
| 23:57.30 | Technobliterator | then that con no longer applies |
| 23:57.34 | ZF101 | I'd be a terrible AI. |
| 23:57.35 | DrodoEmpire | Oh true |
| 23:57.40 | OluapPlayer | THE SYSTEM IS MINE |
| 23:57.42 | DrodoEmpire | Well, to what Tech said. |
| 23:57.48 | Technobliterator | YOUR GUNS AND YOUR WEAPONS |
| 23:57.51 | Technobliterator | ARE NO LONGER YOUR OWN |
| 23:57.55 | ImpyDroid | NOOOIO |
| 23:58.02 | Monet | Every intelligence capable of making non-algorithmic decisions is prone to error. |
| 23:58.03 | ImpyDroid | MUH SECOND AMENDMENT |
| 23:58.20 | OluapPlayer | shup amerilard go eat ur burger |
| 23:58.35 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, for the record, I often over-generalise when it comes to discussions that aren't super serious like this to make a point, not because that's how I actually am |
| 23:58.41 | ImpyDroid | That is perhaps the best thing in America |
| 23:58.44 | ImpyDroid | Guns |
| 23:58.47 | Wormydroid | Algorthmic and non-algirithmic |
| 23:58.49 | Technobliterator | There's just only so much you can say when you're typing fast |
| 23:58.58 | Halopediaman | ImpyDroid, have your tried our BBQ? |
| 23:59.03 | OluapPlayer | That's the whole reason American are the top dogs of the world |
| 23:59.08 | OluapPlayer | They got the most guns |
| 23:59.11 | Xho | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b9/LoronModelProgress2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160311195031 shut up and laugh at unfinished loron |
| 23:59.18 | ImpyDroid | Should I ever move there I will buy a shitton of guns and organise a defensive perimeter around my house |
| 23:59.20 | ZF101 | But the shittest health care and education. |
| 23:59.22 | OluapPlayer | HEAD NOT ROUND REEEE |
| 23:59.24 | Technobliterator | Darth Darth Binks |
| 23:59.26 | ImpyDroid | SHOOT EVERYTHING |
| 23:59.44 | ZF101 | Well, infastructure really. Health care I guess is fine. |
| 23:59.45 | Technobliterator | just buy two revolvers |
| 23:59.46 | OluapPlayer | Let mesa look at your face one last time |
| 23:59.55 | Technobliterator | and plant a fence in front of your house |
