| 00:00.19 | Hachiman | Probably not but goddamn |
| 00:00.21 | Hachiman | Those burns |
| 00:05.32 | Wormy__ | hachi http://i.imgur.com/ryv7y56.gifv |
| 00:09.41 | Hachiman | olol |
| 00:11.58 | Wormy__ | I'm exhausted, goodnight |
| 00:12.16 | Monet | Goodnight |
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| 00:27.15 | Monet | Hello |
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| 00:36.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 00:45.43 | DrodoEmpire | testing |
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| 01:41.51 | Monet | Looking up old movie posters is fun |
| 01:41.51 | Monet | Especially B movies |
| 01:42.23 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 01:42.25 | Monet | http://d13s5ta1qg2cax.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/house_of_dracula_poster_03.jpg |
| 01:42.25 | DrodoEmpire | Probably |
| 01:42.33 | DrodoEmpire | Oh my |
| 01:42.38 | DrodoEmpire | They're soo cheesy |
| 01:42.43 | DrodoEmpire | But they're lovable in that way |
| 01:44.01 | Monet | https://horrorpediadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/bela.jpg riding the King Kong train! |
| 01:45.27 | Monet | "Brooklyn Gorilla" gives me this image of a great ape threatening to "watch where yah walkin or ay'll'bash ya's upside the head!" |
| 01:48.24 | Monet | http://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/55ccc67ae4b0513a93e5999b/1439483516074/titano-is-a-magical-short-film-inspired-by-old-school-monster-movies this one's a pastiche |
| 01:48.37 | Monet | It's just so cheesy-looking! |
| 01:49.06 | The_Randomness | I love it |
| 01:49.14 | DrodoEmpire | Yikes... |
| 01:49.15 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 01:56.40 | Monet | I don't know much about Godzilla's roster. But MOthra? Ehh http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/know-your-giant-monsters-mothra-130711-670x440.jpg |
| 01:57.07 | Monet | Then again I hear Mothra's supposed to be good inside or something. |
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| 03:01.01 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 03:07.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 03:46.58 | AnonyLurk | Looking over the wiki, I see a lot of information about the superweapons and soldiers that empires field. |
| 03:47.04 | AnonyLurk | But I don't see a lot of stuff about small arms. |
| 03:47.29 | AnonyLurk | What's the AR15 or Mosin Nagant of your fiction universe? |
| 03:47.37 | AnonyLurk | The gun for Everyalien. |
| 03:47.59 | AnonyLurk | *Fictional empire. |
| 03:48.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 03:48.25 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 03:48.26 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 03:48.34 | DrodoEmpire | I've written at length about Drodo weaponry |
| 03:48.57 | DrodoEmpire | Vinny's done some as well, though you'd have to ask him |
| 03:48.58 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 03:49.16 | DrodoEmpire | So for the equivalent of the AK-47, the "ubiquitous firearm" is difficult, as there's a few |
| 03:49.46 | DrodoEmpire | The French FASAT has recently been decommissioned, and as such as spread far and wide in the hands of a lot of people. I'm planning something for that |
| 03:50.00 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AFASAT |
| 03:50.28 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AX8-95 - Drodo standard assault rifle. Drodo are well-known for weapons-manufactory |
| 03:50.48 | DrodoEmpire | And one more thing as well, we have an Arms Market on the fictionverse |
| 03:50.55 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AArms_Market |
| 03:51.36 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry for the spam, but I hope that answers your question. >.< |
| 03:52.13 | AnonyLurk | Oh,cool. |
| 03:52.18 | AnonyLurk | *Oh, cool. |
| 03:52.19 | AnonyLurk | Thanks. |
| 03:54.09 | AnonyLurk | Uh. |
| 03:54.11 | AnonyLurk | On this thing. |
| 03:54.13 | AnonyLurk | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AX8-95 |
| 03:54.21 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, what about it? |
| 03:54.27 | AnonyLurk | It says it firest a 5.56x45r cartridge. |
| 03:54.33 | AnonyLurk | How much of that is the bullet and how much is the propellant? |
| 03:55.06 | DrodoEmpire | I take it you don't know much about guns. :p |
| 03:55.20 | DrodoEmpire | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO - It basically fires the 5.56 NATO round |
| 03:55.24 | AnonyLurk | Okay. |
| 03:55.26 | AnonyLurk | I figured as much. |
| 03:55.50 | AnonyLurk | Doesn't the 5.56 refer to total cartridge size? |
| 03:56.03 | DrodoEmpire | Its an intermediate cartridge, its been around for decades, its pretty good. |
| 03:56.21 | DrodoEmpire | Believe so |
| 03:56.25 | AnonyLurk | Right. |
| 03:56.40 | AnonyLurk | I'll find out how much volume of a 5.56 NATO is the bullet, then, be right back. |
| 03:56.43 | DrodoEmpire | Well, no, sorry |
| 03:56.44 | DrodoEmpire | No |
| 03:56.56 | DrodoEmpire | The length of the bullet is 57 mm, my mistake |
| 03:57.01 | DrodoEmpire | Cartidge and all |
| 03:57.05 | DrodoEmpire | *cartridge and all |
| 03:57.53 | DrodoEmpire | Also you need not do a whole lot of maths. A pretty standard box magazine usually carries between thirty and fifty rounds. :p |
| 03:58.06 | DrodoEmpire | You can also feed them from a belt, obvously |
| 04:03.18 | AnonyLurk | No, I'm trying to calculate how much recoil would be imparted to the shooter. |
| 04:03.55 | DrodoEmpire | Right. That depends greatly |
| 04:04.40 | DrodoEmpire | Depends on recoil mechanisms in the stock of the firearm, depends on the weight of the weapon, the charge actually put into the cartridge (which to be fair is pretty standard), and so on |
| 04:05.16 | AnonyLurk | Righto. |
| 04:05.32 | AnonyLurk | Still, if we compare the recoil of this bullet to the recoil of a bullet from an AK47.... |
| 04:05.39 | AnonyLurk | It's five times stronger by my calculation. |
| 04:05.50 | DrodoEmpire | So in other words, your calculation, no offense, isn't very useful |
| 04:06.02 | DrodoEmpire | How do you mean by that? |
| 04:06.34 | AnonyLurk | It would be even more in practice, because this is just the kinetic energy of the bullet leaving the muzzle which doesn't account for the propellant. |
| 04:07.30 | DrodoEmpire | No, no |
| 04:07.46 | DrodoEmpire | Do you mean if you used the 5.56 in an AK-47 (somehow)? |
| 04:07.59 | DrodoEmpire | As opposed to its standard 7.62? |
| 04:08.23 | AnonyLurk | I mean that when you detonate the bullet described to be fired by your gun with its space propellant, it moves with five times the energy you would get if you did the same thing with 7.62x39mm. |
| 04:08.40 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 04:09.24 | DrodoEmpire | Then the obvious counter to that is more advanced recoil absorption mechanisms, and the fact that this is a frontline weapon, used by soldiers in battle-armour |
| 04:09.25 | AnonyLurk | But that's just the mass of the bullet. |
| 04:09.31 | AnonyLurk | 'Kay. |
| 04:09.41 | AnonyLurk | I just wanted to calculate it since I was curious. |
| 04:09.47 | DrodoEmpire | What's "'Kay" supposed to mean? |
| 04:10.25 | AnonyLurk | "I'm not arguing with you, you're in the right, I just wanted to say this thing." |
| 04:10.38 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 04:10.48 | DrodoEmpire | I sensed sarcasm |
| 04:11.00 | AnonyLurk | I am never sarcastic. |
| 04:11.14 | AnonyLurk | If I am I put it between forward slashes. |
| 04:12.08 | DrodoEmpire | Eh heh. |
| 04:12.17 | DrodoEmpire | Anything else you'd wish to mention? |
| 04:12.59 | AnonyLurk | Maybe you should put something there describing the more advanced recoil absorption mechanisms, or sort of how they work? |
| 04:13.02 | AnonyLurk | It might be interesting. |
| 04:13.24 | DrodoEmpire | Right, perhaps I should. |
| 04:13.29 | AnonyLurk | I could calculate what the total recoil would be by determining how much energy the propellant must have in order to move the bullet at that velocity, if you want. |
| 04:13.32 | AnonyLurk | I don't know if you do. |
| 04:13.49 | DrodoEmpire | No, I'm quite fine |
| 04:14.04 | DrodoEmpire | When it comes to technical things I'd sooner lay off the realism just a little |
| 04:14.15 | AnonyLurk | Good stance to take. |
| 04:14.28 | DrodoEmpire | Much better to abstract things to make them sound plausible, even if you crunch the numbers this isn't quite true |
| 04:15.14 | AnonyLurk | What graphics program did you use to render the gun, anyway? |
| 04:16.41 | DrodoEmpire | None, just some website |
| 04:17.12 | AnonyLurk | Do you still have the link? |
| 04:18.30 | DrodoEmpire | Afraid not |
| 04:18.34 | DrodoEmpire | I'll try and find it tomorrow |
| 04:20.08 | AnonyLurk | Thank you. |
| 05:16.57 | Charles_Murray | AnonyLurk : pimp my gun |
| 05:17.01 | Charles_Murray | iirc |
| 05:25.44 | AnonyLurk | Thank you. |
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| 10:40.35 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 12:03.31 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:03.57 | OluapPlayer | poke |
| 12:19.21 | Imperios | Ha |
| 12:22.12 | Vincent20100 | pokeystick? |
| 12:22.31 | Vincent20100 | ~poke imperios |
| 12:22.31 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind imperios, pokes imperios repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 12:22.38 | Imperios | YOU DARE |
| 12:22.47 | Vincent20100 | hue hue hue |
| 12:28.00 | Hachiman | >Kim Kardashian responds to nude selfie criticism with new nude selfie |
| 12:28.09 | Hachiman | But why |
| 12:28.50 | Liquid_Ink | The fact that it's Kim Kardashian should be an explanation unto itself. |
| 12:29.08 | Hachiman | True |
| 12:34.17 | Imperios | Hachiman: Power of attention |
| 12:34.42 | Imperios | ...Okay at least it's a good photo |
| 12:35.00 | Imperios | And it is not a selfie I tihkn |
| 12:35.03 | Imperios | *think |
| 12:35.20 | Imperios | OH wait I am looking at another photo |
| 12:35.26 | Imperios | Oh yes it's awful |
| 12:36.25 | Hachiman | hur |
| 12:37.34 | Imperios | "*husband owns clothing line*" |
| 12:37.47 | Hachiman | brb |
| 12:37.59 | Imperios | "YOURE RICH GO BUY SOME DAMN CLOTHES" |
| 12:38.07 | Imperios | "I'm not a pornstar." |
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| 12:44.24 | Imperios | Hi |
| 12:44.32 | Imperios | Hachiman Wormy_ Vincent20100: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1457440356806.png |
| 12:45.23 | Wormy_ | Needs castrating |
| 12:47.12 | Vincent20100 | Wow... |
| 12:47.29 | Wormy_ | Oh and deported. Our prisons are too soft |
| 12:47.59 | Imperios | Deport them to Russian prisons |
| 12:48.32 | Imperios | Hell Russian prisons are a unique form of punishment in itself |
| 12:48.42 | Imperios | Send captured ISIS militants there too |
| 12:52.21 | Wormy_ | Funny that, I'm very anti-authoritarian in some ways, but in others I believe in severe punishments |
| 12:53.15 | Wormy_ | Mostly for severe crimes like abuse, rape or murder |
| 12:53.50 | Wormy_ | Abusers abd rapists notoriously get away with it with only a few years at best in prison over here |
| 12:57.56 | Wormy_ | Bring back the stocks! |
| 12:58.16 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks |
| 13:10.06 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7366582.stm |
| 13:16.20 | Vincent20100 | Mmm... |
| 13:16.39 | Vincent20100 | Any of you guys know when AnonyLurks comes around usually?¸ |
| 13:20.39 | Wormy_ | Usually 5 hours earlier than now and 10-11 hours later than now. |
| 13:21.07 | Vincent20100 | Mmm... Thanks |
| 13:32.37 | Hachiman | Right back |
| 13:33.19 | Wormy_ | Maybe 7 or 8 hours, he did come on earlier the other day |
| 13:34.09 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: A Chinese Warrior Queen https://youtu.be/CvFuxeoSX1s?t=7m43s |
| 13:35.11 | Hachiman | Is that Fu Hao? |
| 13:35.49 | Hachiman | Ah yes |
| 13:49.36 | Imperios | Hachiman : https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/9b/aa/9a9baad24068972c0ca9254300892e24.jpg |
| 13:49.48 | Hachiman | hur |
| 13:49.57 | Hachiman | Mexican girls on the other hand |
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| 13:55.40 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:06.58 | Imperios | Hi OP |
| 14:13.12 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://cs628017.vk.me/v628017972/446d2/3m0sI3uwTQg.jpg |
| 14:14.30 | Wormy_ | ISIS using emoticons? |
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| 14:15.10 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:15.20 | Wormy_ | Remember my question as to why Ancient China and Europe knew so little of each other, despite the Silk Road and contact with Persia and India? I realise the obvious answer is that it was the Silk Road itself, it meant that goods could be traded along without the need for Europeans to go all the way. Obviously, the Mongols were a barrier on land, and Arab and Persian traders notoriously frightened Europeans from going East with tall |
| 14:15.22 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:17.21 | Imperios | Wormy_: It was mostly because of Middle Easterners |
| 14:17.55 | Imperios | They used themselves as a middleman between the two large powers in Eurasia, and tried to limit direct connections between them |
| 14:18.07 | Imperios | First Persians, then the Caliphate, then the Turks |
| 14:18.16 | Monet | I recall that was especialyl the case with the Ottomans. |
| 14:18.17 | Wormy_ | It makes sense, they were the one trading and transporting goods. Of course they would deter Europeans from going East and chinese from going West |
| 14:18.47 | Wormy_ | Kinda clever and sneaky really |
| 14:19.36 | Imperios | The Chinese and the Romans were vaguely aware of each other though |
| 14:20.12 | Imperios | Though mostly in the sense of "cool guys who make cool stuff like glassware/silk clothes" |
| 14:20.26 | Wormy_ | I did read that Romans may have even reached China |
| 14:21.10 | Wormy_ | The Vikings are also thought to have reached Persia and India |
| 14:21.30 | Vincent20100 | Didn't Roman monks/priest stole and brought back some silkworms from the east? |
| 14:22.04 | Wormy_ | I've heard of that |
| 14:23.55 | Wormy_ | Watching a documentary about Ancient China, the Chinese didn't even know that silk was being traded until a messenger returned to the Emperor after 10 years revealing that a rival had captured him, but he had escaped to Afghanistan where to his surprise, Chinese goods like silk was being sold/ |
| 14:27.29 | Imperios | Romans actually called China "silk land" |
| 14:27.33 | Imperios | Serica |
| 14:34.20 | Hachiman | "Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein is not the monster. Wisdom is knowing that he is." |
| 14:35.12 | Wormy_ | The dicumentary: "While Roman Empire was content with an army of 100,000. The Qin amassed an army six times as large". |
| 14:36.06 | Wormy_ | third century BCE |
| 14:38.23 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 14:39.40 | Imperios | Qin Shi Huang - https://static.ylilauta.org/files/al/orig/d3vpfyaj/naamapalmu-%255Bnaulaa%255D.jpg |
| 14:40.11 | Imperios | Wormy_: I actually think the Romans would have won though considering the Chinese were hardly the best at warfare |
| 14:40.20 | Imperios | After all most of the Qin army was conscripts I think |
| 14:40.53 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:41.16 | Hachiman | Chinese were never all that great at warfare; this is why they got reigned by foreign rulers repeatedly |
| 14:42.08 | Wormy_ | I knew the Chinese didn't match the Europeans in the later years. But I thought in Ancient times, China had the upper hand on strategy and weapons. They invented the crossbow over a thousand years before Europe |
| 14:42.33 | Wormy_ | But yeah, they did use poorly trained conscripts |
| 14:42.37 | Imperios | Wormy_: It's not the weapons or technology, it's the organisation and the mentality |
| 14:43.03 | Wormy_ | Because until the Heavenly Emperor, China was composed of constantly warring states. |
| 14:43.18 | Imperios | THis is why I cannot understand why China is built for a domination victory in Civ V hur |
| 14:43.38 | Imperios | Cultural victory would fit them mu-u-uch better especially since we already have two East Asian military civs in the game |
| 14:44.34 | Wormy_ | Still, we all know one on one, a Chinese warrior would take out a European by flying through the air with a sword! |
| 14:47.41 | Imperios | Nobody beats Central Asians though |
| 14:47.56 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:48.03 | Hachiman | Mongols will kick your shit in |
| 14:48.13 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Roman vs. Rajput https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RONVSTmY1X0 |
| 14:48.22 | Imperios | Mounted archer zerg rush xaxaxaxaxaxa |
| 14:48.37 | Wormy_ | Yes, they kicked the arses of everyone |
| 14:48.56 | Imperios | I wonder why Romans rarely, if ever, used bows |
| 14:49.11 | Hachiman | Because bows take time to train people with |
| 14:49.18 | Hachiman | Time that cannot be afforded |
| 14:49.47 | Imperios | True that |
| 14:50.08 | Imperios | Come to think about it most bow users just happened to know archery from their lifestyle |
| 14:50.14 | Hachiman | Mongols did it right by training children to use bows from a young age |
| 14:50.14 | Monet | There were advantages to giving every legionary a set of javelins. |
| 14:50.15 | Imperios | Englishmen, Mongols, etc |
| 14:50.15 | Wormy_ | Is it true that Romans were poor fighters on an individual level? |
| 14:50.37 | Hachiman | I doubt it |
| 14:50.38 | Imperios | Monet: There is only so much distance you can throw a javelin at |
| 14:50.53 | Monet | Wormy_: The Roman legions were infamously terrible at countering ambushes. |
| 14:50.56 | Imperios | Actually the Chinese taking Roman legions with sheer numbers from distance could be |
| 14:50.58 | Hachiman | Roman soldiers and warriors often ended up becoming gladiators |
| 14:51.00 | Imperios | *could work |
| 14:51.29 | Monet | Imperios: You don't have distance no, but those javelins tend ot be used to thin out an approaching army of melee troops. |
| 14:52.51 | Hachiman | samurai r best cus steeru folded a gorillion times |
| 14:53.05 | Hachiman | They were also proficient cavalry, ranged, and melee units |
| 14:53.06 | Imperios | Until they get on ships |
| 14:53.08 | Wormy_ | They got their arses kicked by Mongols too |
| 14:53.13 | Imperios | SHOOT THE SHIPS FROM DISTANCE GRORIOUS READER |
| 14:53.13 | Hachiman | ... Until they got on ships, yes |
| 14:53.25 | Hachiman | Actually I do not recall the Samurai EVER fighting Mongols |
| 14:53.33 | Hachiman | Japan fought Mongols before the Samurai were a thing |
| 14:53.57 | Imperios | *FOR GRORIOUS READER even |
| 14:54.01 | Monet | Regarding romans being proficient on an individual level...not sure |
| 14:54.11 | Wormy_ | http://www.historyoffighting.com/the-mongols.php |
| 14:54.23 | Imperios | Actually |
| 14:54.35 | Imperios | If you think about it samurai and Mongol combat style was very similar |
| 14:54.46 | Hachiman | The Samurai did not exist by the time of Kublai Khan's invasion of Japan hur |
| 14:54.56 | Hachiman | Or were they |
| 14:54.58 | Hachiman | Lemme check |
| 14:55.00 | Wormy_ | http://www.historyoffighting.com/art-blog/moko-shurai-ekotoba |
| 14:55.03 | Wormy_ | They did |
| 14:55.16 | Wormy_ | And they used poison arrows and bombs to try and stop the Mongls |
| 14:55.18 | Imperios | >Infomation: This picture depicts the samurai facing Mongol arrows and bombs and is from a set of near contemporary illustrations known collectively as the Moko Shurai Ekotoba. They were commissioned by the samurai warrior Takezaki Suenaga to record for prosperity his heroic deeds during the Mongol Invasions of Japan, which consisted of two failed attempts to conquer the country in the second hal |
| 14:55.20 | Imperios | >bombs |
| 14:55.23 | Hachiman | Oh so they were |
| 14:55.39 | Imperios | Mongols conquering their enemies with SCIENCE |
| 14:56.11 | Hachiman | But yes, Mongol and Samurai combat philosophies are somewhat similar] |
| 14:56.25 | Wormy_ | Maybe the Samurai were less well organised |
| 14:56.35 | Wormy_ | Used to fighting smaller armies |
| 14:56.51 | Hachiman | It was around the time of the Sengoku Jidai that the Samurai were really at their pique |
| 14:57.03 | Imperios | Could be |
| 14:57.04 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 14:57.15 | Imperios | But like both fought on horseback and had bows |
| 14:57.32 | Wormy_ | I doubt the Mongols would so easily take on Samurai in later eras |
| 14:58.19 | Hachiman | Yeah, but the Mongolians did not use the same steel armour the Samurai used and the later Samurai adopted rifles as standard equipment |
| 14:58.29 | Imperios | Not rifles, muskets hur |
| 14:58.33 | Hachiman | Muskets, even |
| 14:58.34 | Hachiman | I dunno if Mongols were ever big on firearms |
| 14:58.45 | Imperios | Well |
| 14:58.57 | Imperios | You mean like personal firearms or gunpowder in general |
| 14:59.01 | Imperios | They had bombs and cannons |
| 14:59.07 | Hachiman | I would have thought they shunned the use of guns for similar reasons they shunned crossbows |
| 14:59.09 | Imperios | No guns |
| 14:59.11 | Imperios | *not guns |
| 14:59.11 | Wormy_ | I wonder if the Mongols ever attacked the Shaolin |
| 14:59.29 | Imperios | And yes no sense in using guns when you are an archer god |
| 14:59.31 | Hachiman | I know that the Mongols used gunpowder though |
| 15:00.45 | Wormy_ | Is there a name for fanboys of China? |
| 15:01.25 | Hachiman | No because China fucking sucks |
| 15:01.29 | Imperios | HOW DARE YOU |
| 15:01.37 | Imperios | readies his crossbow |
| 15:01.49 | Hachiman | YI DIED FOR NOTHING, KOREA A SHIT |
| 15:01.51 | Wormy_ | If I'll be honest Ancient China's history and philosophy fascinates me more than Japan, even though the Japanese adaopted Chan Buddhism and Chinese architecture |
| 15:02.10 | Wormy_ | raises an English longbow |
| 15:02.10 | Imperios | SHIT WITH GOOD TEETH |
| 15:02.12 | Imperios | UNLIKE SOMEONE ELSE |
| 15:02.25 | Wormy_ | English archers pwned the French crossbows |
| 15:02.32 | Imperios | >pwned the French |
| 15:02.43 | Hachiman | Archers in general are better than crossbows |
| 15:02.50 | Hachiman | And the English are generally better than the French hur |
| 15:03.07 | Imperios | Not that much of an achievement hur |
| 15:03.18 | Imperios | And thank you for helping me summon Charles_Murray because I need his opinion rn |
| 15:03.28 | Wormy_ | British monarchs still referred to themselves as owning France until the 18th century |
| 15:04.03 | Charles_Murray | 17th* |
| 15:04.06 | Charles_Murray | Wait |
| 15:04.07 | Charles_Murray | No |
| 15:04.08 | Charles_Murray | 18th |
| 15:04.10 | Charles_Murray | Sorry |
| 15:04.16 | Charles_Murray | George III was the last |
| 15:04.27 | Imperios | Monet Charles_Murray: Come to think about it, are you sure that "Lord Protector" is a good name for PAE's PM? |
| 15:04.39 | Imperios | Like IRL Lord Protector was the title of a head of state |
| 15:06.26 | Charles_Murray | I would say it can go either way. It -is- a democratic check on the Convocation of the Highlords, so I'm not sure if the title which makes reference to peerage, democratic reformers might want something a bit less evocative of that history/reality |
| 15:07.36 | Vincent20100 | HEy Charles! |
| 15:07.41 | Charles_Murray | Hey! |
| 15:07.45 | Charles_Murray | But otherwise Lord Protector works perfectly for a Prime Minister |
| 15:08.22 | Charles_Murray | Then again, "Lord Protector" puts him clearly under the position of "Highlord." |
| 15:09.13 | Imperios | Well "Lord Protector" as a title is as old as PAE, though during the Shattering it was probably a less democratic authority |
| 15:10.15 | Charles_Murray | Then that makes sense |
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| 15:10.41 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 15:10.47 | Imperios | "Protector" would presumable mean "Protector of Andromeda's people" |
| 15:10.49 | Imperios | Hi Panda |
| 15:10.51 | Imperios | *presumably |
| 15:12.01 | Hachiman | So apparently, lion roars are loud enough for you to lose your hearing if you are close to them |
| 15:13.00 | AdmiralPanda | yup |
| 15:14.00 | AdmiralPanda | did you know the reason police are issued silencers is to avoid hearing damage to civilians in the area? |
| 15:14.15 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 15:14.30 | Hachiman | Guns are fucking loud and movies do not accurately portray that |
| 15:14.32 | Wormy_ | Very speculative, but look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations#Hypothetical_military_contact |
| 15:16.24 | AdmiralPanda | my combat rifle in fallout 4 uses a suppressor mostly for the excellent recoil control |
| 15:17.44 | OluapPlayer | pondo |
| 15:17.45 | Monet | Charles_Murray_: I guess another factor could be the different perceptions of titles due to peoples' mindsets |
| 15:18.03 | AdmiralPanda | after picking up an infinite clip .38 automatic I developed a taste for automatic weapons in general, so I got an automatic combat rifle |
| 15:26.06 | Wormy_ | Monet: I've encountered a problem with UV texturing in Maya |
| 15:26.22 | Imperios | Hachiman: Kim Kardashian, Anita Sarkeesian, Dan Bilzerian. Turkey, you had one job! |
| 15:26.29 | Wormy_ | The viewport and render preview don't match |
| 15:26.34 | Hachiman | Imperios: Erdogan |
| 15:26.36 | Monet | Wormy_: What's up? |
| 15:27.06 | Imperios | Hachiman: Will finish what the Young Turks started? |
| 15:27.11 | Wormy_ | Got textured mapped how I want them in the viewport, but its broken in all render previews except Hardware |
| 15:27.59 | Hachiman | Putin needs to get off his ass and kick Erdogan out of the Turkish office |
| 15:29.50 | Imperios | The joke was about Armenians, not Turks hur |
| 15:30.42 | Imperios | Turks exterminated Armenians -> Worst Armenians still live |
| 15:30.59 | Hachiman | Oh hur |
| 15:31.19 | Monet | Wormy_: Odd. |
| 15:31.43 | Monet | Wormy_: You're sure you checked the UVs beforehand |
| 15:33.05 | Wormy_ | Where do I do that? |
| 15:33.56 | Monet | The UV editor. |
| 15:34.01 | Monet | See if everything's clean and not overlapping |
| 15:34.27 | Wormy_ | Oh yeah, I just did planar mapping, everything unfolded |
| 15:34.50 | Wormy_ | Hang on a second, I think I've found the problem |
| 15:35.12 | Wormy_ | The model has another material assigned to it that I forgot to remove |
| 15:36.03 | Monet | Oluap just reminded me |
| 15:36.33 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Royal_Marriage Regarding invitations, it's pretty open |
| 15:36.55 | Monet | Basically anyone who is important and not against the state is invited lol. |
| 15:40.29 | Imperios | Monet: This might be the time to bring Lord Protector Turtle |
| 15:40.50 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Viabel_Shantis Speaking of which turtle has a page |
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| 15:44.44 | Charles_Murray | Monet : Alexandre is coming |
| 15:44.55 | Wormy_ | Monet: Yeah removed the old texture and completely remapped it. Now it works |
| 15:45.13 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:45.49 | Wormy_ | UV texturing and modelling is not my forte |
| 15:46.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:47.04 | Monet | I'm considering this will be a traditional Draconid ceremony |
| 15:47.40 | Wormy_ | Hi Ghel, I might need your mathematical excellence |
| 15:47.40 | Monet | So a few different things will happen compared to the wedding ot Tyraz and Iovera |
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| 15:49.23 | Hachiman | Wonder if Hachi would be able to attend |
| 15:49.40 | Monet | Your choice. |
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| 15:51.33 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:51.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:52.02 | Ghelae | Wormy_: What might you need? |
| 15:52.17 | AdmiralPanda | meanwhile Hel' turns up and is just like "wut" |
| 15:52.17 | Monet | Considering the wedding itself will possibly have lots of people it may be better to compartmentalise interactions |
| 15:52.53 | Cyrannian | hi |
| 15:53.09 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Wut as in "what are you doing?" or "what? surprised I'm here?" |
| 15:53.16 | AdmiralPanda | the former |
| 15:53.45 | AdmiralPanda | although him being at a wedding is an unlikely event in the first place, so the latter too I guess |
| 15:53.55 | Monet | Alessa - Think of it as two clans ceremonially joining together. |
| 15:54.35 | AdmiralPanda | Hel' - Fordanta dun work like that |
| 15:54.52 | Monet | Alessa - Oh...Not even ot strengthen clans? |
| 15:55.03 | AdmiralPanda | in seriousness Hel' would get the concept of marriage, but he'd still find it weird |
| 15:55.29 | Monet | Marriage among Draconis is still quite political |
| 15:56.08 | AdmiralPanda | putting it PG bluntly, if the Fordanta wanted a union to strengthen a clan, they'd just make some babies and be done with it |
| 15:56.36 | Monet | Hence the speculation that the marriage might make the Drallivian province part of the Draconis province |
| 15:57.27 | AdmiralPanda | Hel' would probably just send a nice letter or something, what with Alessa being one of his students |
| 15:58.45 | Monet | The other big thing might be the reception |
| 15:59.16 | Hachiman | Hachi would go for food |
| 15:59.35 | Hachiman | And the fact that he considers Uriel a friend and would not want to disappoint him by not showing |
| 15:59.55 | Hachiman | And possibly getting the opportunity to observe Radeon booty |
| 16:01.02 | Monet | I won't mind at all if any guests avoid the Draconid celebrities/nobles who wil lbe filling asa crowd. |
| 16:02.36 | Monet | And why settle for just Radeon booty? |
| 16:05.21 | Hachiman | Well, what other vaguely humanoid species are attending hur |
| 16:06.48 | Monet | All sorts. |
| 16:07.18 | Monet | It's not just draconid nobles and foreign dignitaries attending. |
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| 16:08.28 | drom | Imperios Hachiman: Wizard throws Horsehead spell on Radeon! http://i.imgur.com/Yuv8m82.webm |
| 16:08.44 | Monet | So I can't really say for sure what species could be there. |
| 16:09.01 | Monet | Charles_Murray: WIl lalexandre be attending with his wife? |
| 16:10.40 | Charles_Murray | If this is after 2807, she's a separate head of state. If your relations with her are at least cordial, she will come |
| 16:11.12 | drom | Imperios: Fucking love this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Blue_Buckets |
| 16:11.14 | Monet | So she won't even come as a +1 for ALexandre? |
| 16:12.18 | Charles_Murray | She's not the +1 type ;) |
| 16:12.38 | Monet | No Ha'sk booty for Hachi then. |
| 16:13.16 | drom | Well don't invite Hachi anyway, he crashes weddings |
| 16:13.23 | Charles_Murray | "An insular power at the periphery of events finds it difficult to admit that wars may be produced by intrinsic causes. Since its involvement is usually defensive, to prevent universal domination, it will consider the need for peace a sufficient legitimization for the equilibrium. In a world in which the advantages of peace seem so patentââthe conception of a power with no unsatisfied claimsââwars can be caused onl |
| 16:13.50 | Charles_Murray | Was reading one of my textbooks for uni when I came across that |
| 16:18.49 | Monet | Tok me a couple of tries to read the meaning. |
| 16:20.09 | Charles_Murray | It's difficult out of context, referring to the United Kingdom's negotiating position during the War of the Sixth Coalition against Napoleon |
| 16:20.10 | drom | I don't get it |
| 16:21.40 | Ghelae | It cut out for me at "wars can be caused onl". |
| 16:22.10 | Charles_Murray | only by the malice of wicked men." |
| 16:22.57 | Monet | I think what it might be suggesting is that during the War od the Sixth Coalition, the United Kingdom felt isolated from Europe so pursued a peaceful resolution rather than risking engaging open conflict with a Napoleon-controlled Europe. |
| 16:23.03 | drom | Monet Hachiman: Hachi at the wedding http://i.imgur.com/HfEMRr6.gif |
| 16:23.12 | Charles_Murray | Not exactly |
| 16:23.25 | Hachiman | olol |
| 16:23.39 | Charles_Murray | Basically, "A country who is physically distant from events (having to do with a war) might overlook the fact that a war might be caused by factors inherent to the system. Since its involvement is usually defensive, to prevent universal domination, it will consider peace to be reason enough to legitimate a new balance of power. > |
| 16:24.25 | Charles_Murray | In a world where the advantages of peace seem so obvious that they cannot imagine a power which would not be satisfied by it, they tend to think that wars can only be caused by the malice of wicked men." |
| 16:24.42 | Monet | The UK has long been this country that's in europe, but we've rarely considered ourselves a part of Europe. |
| 16:24.58 | Charles_Murray | That much is true |
| 16:26.37 | Monet | Now I think I get it. |
| 16:27.06 | drom | Monet Hachiman: http://giant.gfycat.com/WatchfulAlarmedHorseshoecrab.gif |
| 16:28.20 | Hachiman | Fucking luck required to get the bottle to land like that |
| 16:31.01 | Technobliterator | Rarely considered itself part of Europe because it's full of stuck up little snobs who think they're better than everyone else |
| 16:31.02 | Technobliterator | :) |
| 16:31.16 | Technobliterator | which is also why racism is such a huge problem |
| 16:31.25 | drom | Hachiman Monet: When Hachi's the best man http://i.imgur.com/yAQCm.gif |
| 16:31.44 | Charles_Murray | Monet : The quote is specifically referring to the UK's foreign establishment's lack of understanding of why Prussia, Russia, and Austria could not agree on a peace settlement which would guarantee a European balance of power |
| 16:32.41 | Monet | "full of stuck up little snobs who think they're better than everyone else" isn't this...a lot of places? |
| 16:32.46 | Charles_Murray | The UK was actually the most committed power at the time, having troops in Spain, Sicily, and in the French colonies, (which paradoxically meant that it had no bargaining position. xD) |
| 16:34.22 | drom | UK is present day a tiny baby man country compared to other. |
| 16:34.34 | drom | Although I'm happier that Denmark is smaller |
| 16:35.11 | Monet | I'm not so sure on what you mean by "tiny baby man country" |
| 16:35.34 | Monet | The UK populaition rivals Germany and France. |
| 16:36.41 | Charles_Murray | The UK is still one of the EU's three leading powers, which really puts it in a good position |
| 16:36.41 | drom | Land area it occupies |
| 16:36.50 | Charles_Murray | Land area means very little |
| 16:37.34 | Technobliterator | Doesn't most of the continent have a godawful deficit |
| 16:37.37 | drom | Although there are lot of countries with smaller land area. |
| 16:37.55 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : How do you mean? |
| 16:38.13 | Technobliterator | Like, are most European countries not a few trillion euros in debt? |
| 16:38.32 | drom | Hm. Look at USA |
| 16:38.37 | Monet | Technobliterator: Most as in "not Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland or the Nordic Countries" then yes. |
| 16:38.50 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 16:39.20 | Monet | Also from what I've learned, the figurative amount of debt is just numbers. Big, scary numbers |
| 16:39.26 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : Billions, and to have debt is relatively normal and sustainable for a lot of countries |
| 16:39.36 | Monet | What's more important is how that number relates to the % of a ocuntry's GDP. |
| 16:40.14 | Charles_Murray | ^ It's when you can't service that debt that things get dangerous. Debt-to-GDP is a good indicator of a country's debt relative to it tax base, as Monet just pointed out |
| 16:40.59 | Charles_Murray | But the UK also has a lot of debt |
| 16:41.38 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator: UK's national debt amounts to £1.56 trillion |
| 16:41.41 | Charles_Murray | btw |
| 16:42.01 | Technobliterator | I'm confused how it remains to be one of the three leading powers if its debt is so absurd when it can't even use the argument that the rest of the continent is in debt |
| 16:42.36 | Monet | The US has an infamously massive debt yes. But it also has arguebly *the* largest GDP value in the world of $53 trillion in 2013. |
| 16:42.50 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: moov borealis front |
| 16:43.40 | Monet | Technobliterator: Government debt works differently to personal debt. |
| 16:43.40 | Technobliterator | oh fuck |
| 16:43.46 | Technobliterator | I completely forgot to do that didn't I |
| 16:43.51 | Technobliterator | fuuuuuuck |
| 16:43.52 | Technobliterator | urm |
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| 16:44.01 | Technobliterator | hm |
| 16:44.17 | Technobliterator | not sure if should do it before or after gym |
| 16:44.24 | Monet | wait 53 trln? I think it's more like 18troln |
| 16:45.28 | Monet | The UK is still one of the three leading powers because it is in the top bracket of gross GDP and is ~8th in the world for GDP per capita. |
| 16:46.14 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : Debt is not the only factor in something as broad and intangible as power. The UK is still a huge economy with the fifth largest GDP, is one of the EU's leading security powers, has a history as a world power which grants it preferential status in such organizations as the UN, the Commonwealth of Nations, NATO, etc. It is also one of the five legitimate nuclear powers in the world, and due to its economi |
| 16:46.40 | Monet | Fifth largest that's it |
| 16:46.53 | Technobliterator | five legitimate nuclear powers |
| 16:46.54 | Technobliterator | ugh |
| 16:47.07 | Monet | The only economy in EUrope that's wealthier is Germany. |
| 16:48.22 | Charles_Murray | of creating, organizing, and bringing together the skill, contacts, resources, technology, etc, to employ the latest in technology on a massive scale, especially as far as the military is concerned. The UK is one of the few countries in the world (along with France, the US) which has a sizable military-industrial complex capable of competing |
| 16:48.35 | Charles_Murray | Which is much, much harder and involved than it sounds. |
| 16:49.35 | Charles_Murray | It also has a veto in the UNSC, which means it can pretty much singlehandedly stop the organization (which represents 200-odd sovereign states) from doing pretty much anything it doesn't like |
| 16:49.42 | Charles_Murray | You can thank WWII for that one |
| 16:50.22 | AdmiralPanda | ah the veto power, the thing that stops the UN from doing what it was mostly meant to do :P |
| 16:51.00 | Technobliterator | Well, that doesn't make me feel any better about living here |
| 16:51.24 | Monet | It does for me. |
| 16:51.24 | Technobliterator | But at least I know that the country isn't a total disaster |
| 16:51.25 | Technobliterator | yet |
| 16:51.32 | Charles_Murray | On top of hosting London, one of the globes' major world cities and a capital of finance, it has access to the EU's single market, which has doled out huge dividends for its economy. Europe accounts for 50% of the UK's exports |
| 16:51.59 | Charles_Murray | And through the EU, it also has trade agreements with much of the world |
| 16:52.10 | Technobliterator | I'd say I'm curious what difference exiting the EU would make to any of this, but in all honesty |
| 16:52.28 | AdmiralPanda | not to mention the UK is recognised as a diplomatic partner of more countries than any other one country in the world |
| 16:52.32 | Technobliterator | I am completely and utterly sick and bloody tired of hearing about the "Brexit" on the news and in conversation so much |
| 16:52.50 | Monet | It's a big devisive question. |
| 16:52.50 | Technobliterator | so I'm not going to learn anything until a week before the vote when I can make up my mind |
| 16:52.56 | Technobliterator | and probably still vote "out" to spite Cameron |
| 16:53.38 | AdmiralPanda | it's attitudes like that which gave us five prime ministers in less than as many years |
| 16:53.57 | Technobliterator | this is the cynical ramblings of someone who hates a place their family has never felt welcome in anyway |
| 16:54.09 | Charles_Murray | From the perspective of a political science student who studies global and international networks? Leaving would hurt the UK and the EU so much, that really it's almost incomprehensible why the UK wants to leave if we're just looking at its rational self-interest. |
| 16:54.49 | AdmiralPanda | unfortunately, rationality is almost never a factor |
| 16:55.02 | Charles_Murray | But if you look at the insecurity that Brits feel, and the current crises the EU is mired in, it makes sense that people would want a decisive disentangling from an organization which can't seem to get anything right recently. |
| 16:55.04 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 16:55.08 | Charles_Murray | Tell me about it |
| 16:55.31 | Monet | Democracy works best when voters make informed, rationa ldecisions. |
| 16:56.04 | AdmiralPanda | works* |
| 16:56.08 | AdmiralPanda | no best about it |
| 16:56.35 | Technobliterator | I wonder if a United States of Europe would work, but given how each state would have completely different language, probably not very well |
| 16:56.37 | Monet | I'd say don't vote to spite one man |
| 16:56.55 | Monet | It ignores the opinions of roughly 650 other decision makers over this thing. |
| 16:57.40 | Monet | I think a United States of Europe is one of the things a lot of Brits -don't- want. |
| 16:58.39 | Charles_Murray | Keep in mind that the United States of America used to be a collection of sovereign colonial states with different currencies, cultures, religions, national identities, etc |
| 16:58.55 | Charles_Murray | And those identities still drive US politics today |
| 16:59.37 | Charles_Murray | I'm not saying that a United States of Europe is bound to happen, or the best thing in store, but it's certainly conceivable. |
| 16:59.57 | Charles_Murray | or necessarily going to work out* |
| 17:02.40 | Technobliterator | I would like it, but I think a language barrier makes it impossible |
| 17:03.02 | Monet | Looking at the polls (not a guarantee predictor i admit), whether peopel vote i nor out is way too close to call. |
| 17:03.04 | Charles_Murray | Keep in mind that most non-Anglo Europeans know either French or English xD |
| 17:03.16 | Charles_Murray | Or German |
| 17:03.22 | Charles_Murray | So you're safe |
| 17:03.48 | AdmiralPanda | the original states of the US had the same basic origin though, and several shared experiences to unite them |
| 17:03.55 | Technobliterator | I doubt it'll be a close call when it actually happens |
| 17:04.14 | AdmiralPanda | Europe doesn't have those tying factors |
| 17:04.25 | Technobliterator | I'm fairly sure it'll be overwhelmingly in favour of an exit |
| 17:04.36 | Monet | It was a close call for Scotland whe nthey had such a referendum. |
| 17:04.54 | Technobliterator | Scotland will likely leave immediately after an exit |
| 17:05.38 | Monet | Probably |
| 17:06.14 | AdmiralPanda | tbh it's very easy to whip an embattled people into acts of patriotism, even if those acts are actually not in the best interest of the nation |
| 17:06.36 | Monet | I don't like the SNP. |
| 17:06.38 | Technobliterator | I really don't want to make up my mind until a week before. I'm so full of cynicism, and all I'm thinking is "well it won't affect me because I'll be gone from the country before long anyway", so I can't make a genuine vote until then |
| 17:07.01 | Monet | They use Braveheart, *Braveheart* as a source of inspiration. |
| 17:07.10 | Technobliterator | I like the SNP, I think it's good that they're growing a pair |
| 17:07.42 | Charles_Murray | AdmiralPanda : Well... The reality of the 150 years of "shared history" between the Thirteen Colonies is very different from how it's usually recounted. The American Revolution, rather than being a single, unifying war against Great Britain, can really be thought as Six Wars of Liberation fought by different actors for different reasons, and really not against the same people. |
| 17:07.54 | Charles_Murray | or for the same reasons |
| 17:08.13 | AdmiralPanda | oh absolutely, but you have to admit it's a lot more than Europe as a continent has |
| 17:08.48 | Ghelae | Europe's fought lots of wars together. Albeit generally against each other. |
| 17:09.21 | Monet | And it wasn't just Great Britain the Patriots were fighting. |
| 17:09.41 | Monet | The Revolutionary War was essentialyl British colonists vs British homelanders. |
| 17:10.09 | Charles_Murray | 150 years and vastly different political cultures versus centuries and a continent full of sovereign states with roughly the same structure, each having a flag, some kind of legislative body, a head of state, borders on a map, ideas of citizenship and nationality, passports, the internet, legitimation theories propping up the act of voting as the only legitimate way of assuming leadership |
| 17:10.40 | Charles_Murray | I would say that Western Europe is actually much more homogenous, given all of these factors, than America in 1776 |
| 17:11.12 | Technobliterator | The United Kingdom is definitely not, but if it leaves the EU, I imagine the EU might just make a United States of Europe anyway |
| 17:11.35 | Charles_Murray | It would be... Much more complicated than that |
| 17:12.24 | Technobliterator | of course, soon it will just be the Divided Kingdom when Scotland leaves |
| 17:12.57 | Monet | I see the dream of some Scottish Tiger as a bit of hyperbole. |
| 17:13.14 | Hachiman | Scotland will fuck itself if it leaves |
| 17:13.19 | Hachiman | It depends on the UK for its economy |
| 17:13.23 | Monet | Yeah |
| 17:13.36 | Charles_Murray | And really much more of a disaster, as I said for both the UK and the EU. The UK would lose access to the single market, which accounts for 50% of its exports, to trade agreements which it wouldn't have the clout to negotiate by itself, security agreements with Europe which allow it to project power on a scale far exceeding its size, while the EU would lose > |
| 17:13.51 | Monet | I recall during the referendum there was talk that if Scotland left, RBS would move its HQ to London. |
| 17:13.59 | Charles_Murray | one of its biggest economies, its biggest security partner, and one of the more sane and conservative voices in the European Parliament, advising caution and restraint in the face of liberal advances. |
| 17:14.25 | Technobliterator | >cameron |
| 17:14.27 | Technobliterator | >sane |
| 17:14.30 | Charles_Murray | Most importantly, the EU would lose a ton of its legitimacy |
| 17:14.31 | Technobliterator | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 17:14.46 | Technobliterator | that might be the first time I've ever heard anyone praise Cameron |
| 17:14.46 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 17:14.46 | Monet | Technobliterator: Comapred to Farage, he is. |
| 17:14.54 | Technobliterator | No, I'd argue Farage is much more sane |
| 17:14.56 | Charles_Murray | *sigh* Yes, he's pretty sane compared to someone, like, say, the Prime Minister of Hungary |
| 17:15.08 | Wormy_ | I've heard of an opinion that the EU can only work if it becomes federal. It has socialist ideals but with very protectionist, capitalist states and that is creating an uneven economy. |
| 17:15.28 | Technobliterator | Stupid views aside, Farage just destroys Cameron in every way imaginable |
| 17:15.38 | Monet | Technobliterator: You mean th eguy who threw a temper tantrum when he failed to win the seat of his constituency? |
| 17:15.46 | Wormy_ | Anyway, if UK exists the EU, and we lose Scotland, we are both stuffed imo |
| 17:16.06 | Technobliterator | Versus the guy who throws a temper tantrum and ad hominem remarks everytime he gets asked a slightly difficult question in Parliament? |
| 17:16.07 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 17:16.27 | Technobliterator | honestly, I'd prefer Boris Johnson as a PM |
| 17:16.28 | Monet | "slightly difficult"? |
| 17:16.38 | Technobliterator | I went there |
| 17:16.44 | Technobliterator | I would take Boris Johnson over Cameron |
| 17:18.10 | Monet | Look at Europe: Silvio Bellusconi, Alexi Tsipras, the PM of Hungary, Germany opening the floodgates to refugees then panicking as they drowned in migrants. |
| 17:19.17 | Technobliterator | obviously we need to |
| 17:19.21 | Technobliterator | B U I L D A W A L L |
| 17:19.43 | Monet | When there was all that crisis regarding migrants in boats, IIRC European leaders were playing hot potato with "who lets these migrants on their shores" while the UK sent ships to make sure they got across. |
| 17:20.08 | Monet | The UK sent ships to rescue anyone on sinking boats. |
| 17:21.39 | Monet | Then again regarding "throwing a temper tantrum" have you seen how much like a footbal lgrandstand the House of Commons gets? |
| 17:22.20 | Technobliterator | Labour and Tory MPs are all childish brats, yes |
| 17:22.42 | Monet | That's not jsut Labour and Tory |
| 17:23.12 | Monet | That behaviour is fairly normal in a two-party parliament |
| 17:25.06 | Cyrannian | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Triton - Though many EU nations sent ships to help migrants crossing the Mediterranean |
| 17:26.39 | Hachiman | Boris Johnson is the man of the hour |
| 17:26.51 | Hachiman | I would vote for him |
| 17:27.03 | Monet | Cyrannian: They did eventually, yes. |
| 17:28.27 | Technobliterator | Prime Minister Johnson and President Trump |
| 17:28.33 | Technobliterator | does not look too unlikely |
| 17:30.09 | TekDroid | I'll just enjoy our reasonably sane and recently elected Canadian PM in the face of the crazy in the rest of the English world. :P |
| 17:30.56 | Charles_Murray | lol |
| 17:31.38 | Monet | It seems...peculiar how both Trump and Johnson are somewhat quirky |
| 17:31.48 | Technobliterator | it depends on two things |
| 17:31.57 | Technobliterator | if EU exit happens, Johsnon eventually becomes PM |
| 17:32.09 | Technobliterator | if Clinton wins Democratic primary, Trump becomes president |
| 17:33.37 | Monet | http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/feb/22/pound-falls-city-gets-brexit-jitters-business-live this might be merely a coincidence |
| 17:33.51 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : ?? |
| 17:33.55 | Cyrannian | Hillary beats Trump in the polls doe |
| 17:34.17 | Monet | Boris Johnson supports Brexit -> The pound's strnegth drops a little. |
| 17:34.19 | Technobliterator | Clinton doesn't stand a chance against Trump, if you ask me |
| 17:34.45 | Monet | That's because Trump uses "raving lunatic" as his campaign plan |
| 17:34.54 | Charles_Murray | At the moment, she does. Her campaign is giddy about a trump candidacy because current numbers suggest that his becoming the nominee would pretty much ensure that she would win over moderates and strategic voters |
| 17:35.07 | Technobliterator | I have zero confidence in Clinton's ability to beat Trump |
| 17:35.15 | Technobliterator | But Sanders, Trump stands no chance against him |
| 17:35.23 | Charles_Murray | o.o |
| 17:35.24 | Charles_Murray | Erm |
| 17:35.25 | Charles_Murray | Techno |
| 17:35.54 | Monet | Trump's entire campaign is built on how much people talk about what he's doing now. |
| 17:36.14 | Technobliterator | Sanders is already smashing all the GOP candidates in the polls, and smashes Clinton in favourability rating |
| 17:36.31 | Technobliterator | And Sanders has the independent vote |
| 17:36.37 | Charles_Murray | Your analysis might be a reflection of how much you personally like these candidates, because the reality is very different o.o |
| 17:37.04 | Hachiman | Yeah I was going to say |
| 17:37.12 | Hachiman | Not many people are feeling the Bern |
| 17:37.33 | Technobliterator | The reality are the polls that I've seen |
| 17:37.39 | Monet | Where |
| 17:37.41 | Technobliterator | And Sanders beats the GOP candidates in all of them |
| 17:37.42 | Monet | Which polls |
| 17:38.02 | Technobliterator | Clinton only beats Trump by a tiny amount |
| 17:38.27 | Cyrannian | http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton |
| 17:38.43 | Technobliterator | that is uh |
| 17:38.47 | Technobliterator | very different from the poll I saw |
| 17:38.47 | Technobliterator | ok |
| 17:38.50 | Technobliterator | I stand corrected |
| 17:40.34 | Monet | Actually this one's not bad |
| 17:40.36 | Monet | I trust Ipsos Mori polls. |
| 17:41.06 | Technobliterator | ok |
| 17:41.20 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, I'm heading to the gym now, I'll move Borealis rear after I'm done |
| 17:42.00 | drom | "Borealis rear" |
| 17:42.01 | Charles_Murray | American politics is much more complicated, dependent more on cultural geography. Bernie Sanders is very popular in certain geographical areas because he speaks to the idealism, liberalism, collectivism, and utopianism of New England and the Great Lakes. He is also popular on the West Coast (Seattle to San Francisco), given its similarly utopian character, > |
| 17:42.09 | Charles_Murray | yet its emphasis on individualism might throw a rut into his popularity among some demographics. Or it might not, that's unclear. |
| 17:43.23 | Hachiman | Borealis rear? Think you mean Kalcedia |
| 17:43.26 | Charles_Murray | Clinton carries more moderate electorates of the democratic party, especially African American communities in the South, which Sanders is having a lot of trouble reaching and communicating with |
| 17:45.37 | Monet | Too idealistic? |
| 17:46.13 | Monet | I have confidence in Hilary because she seems like the saner choice. |
| 17:46.53 | Charles_Murray | Doesn't speak the language of the civil rights movement, faaaaar too liberal, there's a certain loyalty towards Hillary Clinton given that many feel like they should have voted for her last election, but Barack Obama was just too historic of an opportunity to pass up |
| 17:47.16 | Monet | Trump's a clown and Bernie's trying ot mirror his success. |
| 17:47.27 | Charles_Murray | That's not at all the case |
| 17:47.53 | Monet | Maybe not, might have spone too soon |
| 17:48.03 | Monet | spoken* |
| 17:48.30 | Monet | MIght have been caught up when recalling Bernie spent some time accused of being a socialist. |
| 17:50.03 | Charles_Murray | He... is... A socialist |
| 17:50.14 | Charles_Murray | That's what he calls himself that |
| 17:50.24 | Charles_Murray | That's what he calls himself* |
| 17:51.42 | Monet | I currently predict that while Trump is very popular, there's a chance that a lot of people will then vote for someone else. |
| 17:52.08 | Monet | Because while he's entertaining to watch, do they want him to be running for president? |
| 17:52.32 | Charles_Murray | Yes |
| 17:56.59 | Charles_Murray | Objectively speaking, yes. His constituencies want him as President of the United States. |
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| 18:08.10 | AdmiralPanda | the worst part is, there's a lot of people who don't agree with what he's saying, just *how* he says it |
| 18:13.46 | drom | Haw |
| 18:13.54 | drom | Hawhaw I finished my chores |
| 18:13.57 | drom | Good feeling |
| 18:26.55 | Wormy_ | Charles_Murray: Does the US have a distinction of social democracy and democratic socialism? I'm not disagreeing Bernie is a socialist. Corbyn considers himself a democratic socialist, while Old Labour (before Tony Blair) was considered social democracy. |
| 18:27.50 | Wormy_ | I feel that what is left in UK politics is far left in the US's idea of left and right wing |
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| 18:30.03 | Monet | Wormy_: TotalBiscuit once mentioned in one of his videos that when he looks at U.S. politics he sees "not left-wing and right-wing, but right wing and more right-wing", but that was a couple of years ago. |
| 18:30.39 | Wormy_ | If the US developed something like the NHS, people would declare it socialism. While to me, it'd merely be social ideals of social democracy, which is still market economy |
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| 18:32.55 | dino82_ | hi all |
| 18:35.02 | Wormy_ | Monet: REead an article that explained after the Thatcher era, Tory ideals pretty much align with American Democrat ones. |
| 18:36.18 | Wormy_ | That makes Obama right wing to us |
| 18:37.34 | Wormy_ | But like I said, where the cente line is seems relative |
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| 18:48.30 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 18:51.23 | Monet | hi |
| 18:51.38 | drom | hi |
| 18:52.12 | Vincent20100 | Privyet! |
| 18:53.47 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, I'm going to add two sections to the Borealis front |
| 18:53.50 | Technobliterator | to make up for being slow |
| 18:55.33 | OluapPlayer | Good |
| 18:58.45 | Wormy_ | bbl run |
| 19:01.17 | dino82_ | @Jo: Sorry Jo, didn't had time to work on the Reckonign yet, have been crazy few days |
| 19:02.43 | Technobliterator | no worries |
| 19:02.48 | Technobliterator | take all the time you need |
| 19:04.22 | dino82_ | @Jo: Thanks :D |
| 19:07.39 | drom | Monet: I noticed while at school that you played Starmade |
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| 19:07.56 | Monet | drom: Tried to |
| 19:07.57 | ZF101 | Hello all.. |
| 19:08.23 | drom | Ah. What did stop you from doing it? |
| 19:08.41 | Imperios | Hachiman Monet: "Pluto's surface is about as large as Russia. Its infrastructure is also about as developed." |
| 19:09.06 | drom | rekt |
| 19:09.08 | Monet | drom: Was laggy when it passed a planet. |
| 19:09.19 | Monet | Low framerate |
| 19:09.30 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Starmade is many levels of derp |
| 19:09.49 | Vincent20100 | HEy Zilla! |
| 19:10.16 | ZF101 | Hello. |
| 19:11.39 | drom | AdmiralPanda TekDroid: Remember when I designed a ship that you commented to be in the shape of a dick. I used for drilling minerals out of asteroids? |
| 19:11.58 | AdmiralPanda | did I make a penetration joke? |
| 19:12.31 | drom | I thought you did back when we played Space Engineers with Tek and Wormy too. |
| 19:12.48 | Vincent20100 | AdmiralPanda: Penetration joke have a way to touch people deeply |
| 19:13.06 | drom | To be fair enough. I was able to make very deep boreholes with the ship. |
| 19:13.21 | Vincent20100 | I don't doubt it. ^.^ |
| 19:13.23 | AdmiralPanda | was gonna say, if I didn't make one then I wasn't doing my job properly |
| 19:13.32 | AdmiralPanda | anyway it's a possibility |
| 19:13.57 | Vincent20100 | Wait a second... |
| 19:14.13 | Vincent20100 | A Swedish, who "accidentally" made a penis shaped ship... |
| 19:14.22 | Vincent20100 | I don't buy that |
| 19:14.25 | drom | I was utterely disappointed when you and Tek came back to the base while I drilled out minerals of the same asteroids our base stood on. |
| 19:14.32 | AdmiralPanda | settle down, it's the Icelandic that are obsessed with phalluses |
| 19:14.41 | drom | One thing, that disappointed me. |
| 19:15.08 | drom | Tek added two lights to your flagship and would blink like police sirens when enabled. |
| 19:15.22 | drom | So you found me deep inside the asteroid and called me out. |
| 19:15.56 | drom | After a long pause. I waited for the pun "You are under arrest for raping innocent asteroids" |
| 19:16.39 | AdmiralPanda | yeah nobody was really going to say that |
| 19:16.41 | drom | I decided not to say it because it was late at night. |
| 19:16.43 | Vincent20100 | drom: http://i.imgur.com/KhRkmX1.png |
| 19:16.46 | AdmiralPanda | dick jokes are one thing, rape jokes are another entirely |
| 19:41.19 | Hachiman | test |
| 19:41.21 | Hachiman | Right |
| 19:42.47 | OluapPlayer | stick ur test up ur aaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssss |
| 19:44.39 | drom | pregancy test |
| 19:51.55 | ZF101 | test |
| 19:54.29 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_ US politics doesn't really make a distinction, it can barely come to grips with the concept of democratic socialism, which falls under the umbrella of COMMUNISM |
| 19:54.42 | Imperios | Hachiman Monet drom: http://cs540103.vk.me/v540103041/49569/hc_ONu_LoGk.jpg Iranian carpets |
| 19:54.44 | Charles_Bot | It depends on where you go, though |
| 19:54.48 | Imperios | I can totally see Alhassans having something like this |
| 19:55.21 | Charles_Bot | New England sort of makes a distinction between socialism and communism to begin with |
| 19:55.23 | Imperios | Charles_Bot: Thus by definition democratic socialism is THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE |
| 19:55.52 | Charles_Bot | Not exactly, but that is pretty funny xD |
| 19:57.01 | Imperios | AMERICA WILL NEVER FALL TO COMMUNIST INVASION |
| 19:58.09 | Charles_Bot | IF WE DONT STOP THEM IN YANKEEDOM, THEN EVERYONE WILL FALL TO COMMUNISM |
| 19:59.33 | Monet | Imperios: Those are beautiful carpets so I agree |
| 20:00.01 | Charles_Bot | Bernie Sanders' candidacy has dragged the term back into positive political conversation in certain circles |
| 20:07.45 | Imperios | I see a lot of people claim that Bernie will turn the US into a dictatorship or something |
| 20:08.06 | Imperios | Not that I believe he will definitely be a good president but the idea that the US can be so easily made into an autocracy is bs |
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| 20:08.29 | Imperios | Mentioned dictatorships |
| 20:08.32 | Imperios | Xho appeared |
| 20:08.44 | Xho | THE DARK LORD IS HERE |
| 20:09.10 | Monet | BRB, tablet's not working |
| 20:09.13 | OluapPlayer | shoo |
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| 20:10.54 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Runnin_Frum_Da_Cops two new sections :oo |
| 20:10.55 | Technobliterator | hi ghel |
| 20:11.10 | Technobliterator | also, Xho, you might want to check I portrayed Mad'Hatta right in the second one |
| 20:11.42 | Hachiman | So apparently Robert Rodriguez, the director of the Spy Kids series and Sharkboy & Lava Girl, has directed a film starring John Malkovich which he plans to not release until 100 years into the future |
| 20:12.04 | Xho | "Me? NAAAAAAAH" - Mad'Hatta |
| 20:12.17 | Xho | Hachiman: Well what the fuck is the point in that |
| 20:12.36 | dino82_ | @Marriage on the wiki! Very nice!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:12.44 | Hachiman | He was enthralled by the idea of making a film no one will see |
| 20:12.45 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106305/1008d/j4NZ-Ne8kO0.jpg |
| 20:12.46 | dino82_ | So House ultanos has one! The Rambo defnintaly would wnat to attend :D |
| 20:19.55 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Wrong_Turn_at_PCA_Space and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Jetpack_Versus_Wings |
| 20:19.57 | OluapPlayer | further loron |
| 20:22.00 | Technobliterator | lotsa loron sections today |
| 20:22.06 | Technobliterator | it's funny |
| 20:22.16 | Technobliterator | the Borealis section is almost finished while the others have just barely started |
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| 20:22.23 | OluapPlayer | As proven |
| 20:22.26 | OluapPlayer | Everyone is lazy except me |
| 20:22.42 | Technobliterator | And me when I stop being lazy! |
| 20:23.03 | ZF101 | I would do something. But I don't feel like it ;) |
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| 20:24.28 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1457468523279.jpg IA IA LIL'BOYS |
| 20:24.37 | Technobliterator | so, two sections of Loron owning |
| 20:24.43 | Technobliterator | then two sections of Loron being owned |
| 20:24.57 | OluapPlayer | Balance is restored |
| 20:39.01 | ZF101 | Alright, I feel inspired. I'll add a little to the Reckoning. |
| 20:45.25 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, any plans for what happens next in the Andromeda Front? |
| 20:46.08 | ImpyDroid | The generals meeting and then the battle for Iath |
| 20:46.20 | ImpyDroid | It will be on a sea world |
| 20:46.21 | Technobliterator | Oh, straight to that one? |
| 20:46.22 | Xho | So now I'm deciding to model a Skaurovirn |
| 20:46.23 | Technobliterator | Ah, sure |
| 20:46.30 | ImpyDroid | What would Lorons do in that situation? |
| 20:46.31 | Technobliterator | Do you need me to do anything before that? |
| 20:46.35 | Technobliterator | oh hm |
| 20:46.49 | ImpyDroid | If you want you could do a few smaller battles with the NTA |
| 20:46.52 | Technobliterator | Probably...fight underwater, they're reptillian so I imagine they can swim |
| 20:46.55 | OluapPlayer | Shoot the water until it dies |
| 20:47.13 | Technobliterator | I like the idea of a sea world |
| 20:47.24 | OluapPlayer | would be funny if they actually floated on water due to their huge balloon heads |
| 20:47.29 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 20:48.08 | ImpyDroid | You can showcase Lorons fighting the NTA |
| 20:48.36 | ImpyDroid | They are basically redshirts so they are going to get rekt |
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| 20:50.53 | Technobliterator | Well, I can only write so many generic "boss showsu p, kills lots of people, conquers planet, leaves" sections before I burn out : | |
| 20:50.54 | Technobliterator | hi Wormy_ |
| 20:51.05 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:52.10 | Wormy_ | drom: I created a testosterone fueled race in the running group today when I caight up with two fast blokes on a hill, they sped up to catch up to me, then I sprinted and beat them. |
| 20:52.38 | drom | Heh. Sounds like a good run, wasn' it? |
| 20:52.52 | Wormy_ | T'was indeed |
| 20:54.38 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Actually, show the planet eater thing |
| 20:54.42 | ImpyDroid | Star eater |
| 20:54.59 | ImpyDroid | Since they will become important in the future |
| 20:56.58 | ImpyDroid | Try to show the horror of it |
| 20:57.21 | ImpyDroid | Like an NTA world devoured from the perspective of the citizenry |
| 20:57.45 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d5/SkaurovirnRender_Progress.png/revision/latest?cb=20160308205722 This is my progress so far on the Skaurovirn |
| 20:59.49 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Looks like TES |
| 21:00.07 | Xho | Skaurovirn are basically Dremora |
| 21:00.16 | OluapPlayer | basically must dai |
| 21:00.53 | ImpyDroid | Jo? |
| 21:01.30 | Technobliterator | hm? |
| 21:01.32 | Technobliterator | yeah sure |
| 21:02.06 | Technobliterator | That's a good idea |
| 21:15.04 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Just as a note: Tertanai are centaur bird Greco-Roman people, their names are composed almost exclusively of sonants and vowels, they are also very liberal on marriage and sex so you can have lesbian burds watching hur |
| 21:15.30 | Technobliterator | hm ok |
| 21:15.31 | ImpyDroid | Imperix are gas cloud people inside small suits of armour, they are kind of weird but curious |
| 21:15.42 | Technobliterator | I'll have to look this up when I write the section |
| 21:15.53 | OluapPlayer | imperix are qt |
| 21:15.54 | ImpyDroid | Oh right just verifying the names |
| 21:16.01 | ImpyDroid | And such |
| 21:16.12 | ImpyDroid | If you bring any |
| 21:17.02 | ImpyDroid | Tertanai have sonant-heavy Greek-sounding names: Imperix names with one consonant, an apostrophe, and a syllable, Solaris vaguely Roman-sounding names |
| 21:17.38 | ImpyDroid | Althar names are made of three elements, each of which is short and vaguely African |
| 21:17.52 | ImpyDroid | Everyone else feel free to come up with any names you want hur |
| 21:18.01 | OluapPlayer | If she needs names she'll probably ask you for them |
| 21:19.56 | ImpyDroid | well |
| 21:25.01 | dino82_ | byebye |
| 21:34.52 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning#Runnin_Frum_Da_Cops blah chek loron stuff |
| 21:36.18 | Hachiman | I actually just checked that section |
| 21:36.22 | Hachiman | Fed'koppa is great hur |
| 21:37.48 | OluapPlayer | chek the three sections under that one too |
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| 21:43.12 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:43.20 | OluapPlayer | randum |
| 21:45.04 | Xho | This model is coming along really well |
| 21:46.59 | Technobliterator | randum |
| 21:47.05 | Technobliterator | Fed'koppa is meant to be like a Loron Robocop |
| 21:47.26 | Hachiman | Very good sections those |
| 21:47.29 | Hachiman | Jerkon is a savage hur |
| 21:47.34 | Technobliterator | ^.^ |
| 21:48.18 | OluapPlayer | Jerkon - i hate primitives aaaaa |
| 21:59.58 | drom | Nice work on the sections, Techno |
| 22:02.14 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/DujGZgU |
| 22:02.22 | drom | Apparently Ubisoft made a huge downgrade of thier new game compared to their trailers |
| 22:02.38 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 22:03.03 | drom | http://store.steampowered.com/app/365590/ See the new trailers and the reviews |
| 22:03.40 | drom | "the enemies so dumb it would be an insult to call it an AI" |
| 22:04.06 | drom | Anyway, Monet and Hachiman: http://store.steampowered.com/app/281610/ |
| 22:04.20 | Technobliterator | what a surprise |
| 22:04.58 | Monet | Which game |
| 22:05.13 | Monet | Oh The DIvision? |
| 22:05.15 | drom | bet they spent most of their time and resources on the DRM (still about Divison) |
| 22:05.15 | drom | Yeah |
| 22:05.46 | Monet | On second tohughts I won't look. |
| 22:05.48 | drom | To recite it: "One step forward, eight steps back" |
| 22:06.45 | Monet | The amount of pretentiousness people talking about games online like on Steam forums makes me ill. |
| 22:06.59 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/n5mJPmM |
| 22:07.07 | drom | The second game I linked is the new Homeworld game though |
| 22:07.11 | drom | Deserts of Kharak |
| 22:07.25 | drom | Looks really awesome tbh |
| 22:07.25 | Monet | I know about DoK |
| 22:10.18 | Xho | Monet drom: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/64/SkaurovirnHead2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160308220953 Doing a Skaurovirn bust |
| 22:10.33 | Wormy_ | Someone report this bug to God http://i.imgur.com/QDUfk3p.jpg |
| 22:10.36 | drom | Few disappointed fans thera and there. But I guess I'd like playing it though. |
| 22:11.05 | OluapPlayer | fugly man |
| 22:11.05 | drom | Xho: It is a spah |
| 22:11.14 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/l2QKsXD.jpg |
| 22:11.16 | Monet | Xho: Ooh that's some nice detail there |
| 22:11.28 | Xho | I think I'm getting good at this |
| 22:11.40 | drom | Wormy_: 1984!!! |
| 22:12.32 | drom | Wormy_: I'd be surprised if you didn't know this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5 |
| 22:13.46 | Wormy_ | Never actually watched 1984 |
| 22:13.56 | drom | It is a book |
| 22:14.05 | drom | slaps Wormy_ in the face |
| 22:14.57 | Wormy_ | Surprised its not a film |
| 22:15.01 | drom | Anyway. That reminds me of, in the lastest Bond movie Spectre. I never understood the new Q's qoute "Orwell's worst nightmare" until I read the book. |
| 22:15.52 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/BuWpu80.jpg |
| 22:16.11 | drom | Wormy_: Indiana? |
| 22:16.28 | Wormy_ | seen but http://i.imgur.com/IseslDm.gifv |
| 22:16.36 | Monet | 1984 was a society Orwell feared. |
| 22:16.55 | Wormy_ | I don't know |
| 22:17.04 | drom | Monet: Pretty sure it was picture the same in "Animal Farm" cut the total surviellence |
| 22:18.01 | Wormy_ | Me on IRC http://i.imgur.com/1jbW8qa.jpg |
| 22:18.06 | Monet | Animal Farm was more of an allegory of the history of the Soviet Union |
| 22:19.07 | drom | Wormy_: I said Indiana because that bus picture is taken in America, except in an other state. Indiana is a nudge to India. Where sexual assault is very common at buses. |
| 22:19.28 | OluapPlayer | dangit bobby |
| 22:19.41 | Wormy_ | I see |
| 22:20.16 | Monet | "Mummy should keep more of an eye on Bobby as he's always managing to sneak sips of Daddy's beer" |
| 22:20.30 | drom | So it would've been much funnier if it was taken in Indiana or India at most. |
| 22:20.50 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/0rLOB6F.jpg |
| 22:20.52 | drom | Xho: Nice bust, but it is a spy. |
| 22:21.09 | Wormy_ | you and your sparky references |
| 22:21.09 | Monet | Wormy: "Surprised its not a film" it was a film |
| 22:21.13 | Xho | Oh I get it |
| 22:21.15 | Xho | took me a while |
| 22:21.25 | Monet | I think 1984 was adapted into film at least twice. |
| 22:21.29 | OluapPlayer | merde |
| 22:21.36 | Wormy_ | Oh, good |
| 22:22.06 | drom | Monet: Yeah, the lastest is produced and released at 1984 |
| 22:22.17 | drom | No, I'm not kidding |
| 22:22.41 | drom | Wormy_: How so? |
| 22:22.52 | Monet | drom: I know it's hilarious |
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| 22:23.58 | drom | Monet: The trailer audience clerance (the lime-green rating frame before trailers, etc.) has small nod to it too, hur |
| 22:24.01 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:24.52 | drom | Monet: "Ministry of Information", perhaps not a reference at all, but considering how the authoriaties are given their names. It is funny. |
| 22:25.50 | drom | Monet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rBDUJTnNU |
| 22:26.38 | Monet | IIRC there were three ministries: MinTruth (propaganda), MinPLenty (rationing), and MinLove (conditioning) |
| 22:26.52 | drom | "Your local government may not approve of the content of this film" pfsh |
| 22:26.55 | Monet | Or was the Ministry of Love the war office? |
| 22:27.03 | drom | Love was the war office |
| 22:27.12 | drom | No |
| 22:27.19 | drom | It was "MinPeace" |
| 22:27.42 | drom | The Love was responsible of torture and brainwashing |
| 22:28.01 | Monet | Ah so I missed one |
| 22:28.04 | Monet | It's been a few years since I read the book |
| 22:30.47 | drom | I do really wonder for how long could I live in a such world as depicted in 1984? |
| 22:31.43 | Monet | North Korea might be the closest. |
| 22:32.02 | Monet | And I'm not just saying that because its a facist state. |
| 22:32.48 | drom | They also pretend to be commies as well |
| 22:33.53 | Liquid_Ink | In order to prevent a people's uprising |
| 22:34.23 | Monet | I think concepts like Two Minutes Hate, regimented exercise, children trained as secret police, communal dining, a uniform dress code, obituaries of people who never existed, tweaking of what leaders once said. Cameras in high streets is but the surface of what society in Oceania was like. |
| 22:34.25 | Liquid_Ink | Same way capitalist countries claim workers' rights will somehow lead to Stalin. |
| 22:34.56 | Monet | what leaders once said are all nelected when 1984 is brought up* |
| 22:34.58 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/SJV1BHK.gif |
| 22:35.20 | The_Randomness | "Same way capitalist countries claim workers' rights will somehow lead to Stalin." - wat |
| 22:35.48 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/zj8Hkvg.gif |
| 22:36.04 | Wormy_ | Liquid is a communist |
| 22:36.21 | The_Randomness | That statement is a steaming pile of shit though |
| 22:37.05 | The_Randomness | You know, there's such a thing as unions and such |
| 22:37.53 | drom | Monet: Lack of education, elitism, a progressively emaciating language, a fictional cult symbol and hate symbols (Big Brother and Goldstein) and urban decay. |
| 22:38.01 | Monet | Yeah it is a steaming pile of shit. That's Liquid's point |
| 22:38.07 | drom | They were also central motifs and themes in 1984. |
| 22:38.14 | The_Randomness | oh shit |
| 22:38.17 | The_Randomness | I've trolled myself |
| 22:38.24 | OluapPlayer | poop jokes |
| 22:38.40 | drom | Says the [REDACTED] |
| 22:39.39 | drom | Monet: Racism was also present in 1984 as well |
| 22:39.46 | drom | ... kind of. |
| 22:39.56 | Monet | You mean the treatment of the proles? |
| 22:40.38 | drom | The inner party members had servants. All of them were war prisoners. The only servant we get to see is a "mongoloid" |
| 22:41.09 | drom | Pretty sure they also aired their enemies as "redundant mongoloids" |
| 22:41.35 | drom | That during the 'Hate Week' and the 'two-minute Hate' |
| 22:41.53 | Monet | IIRC that was because when those soldiers were captured, Oeania was at war with EastAsia. |
| 22:42.02 | drom | Eurasia |
| 22:42.21 | drom | They turned allies and enemies later in the book. |
| 22:42.27 | Monet | Goldstien, right. |
| 22:42.41 | drom | Goldstein was depicted as a sheep though. |
| 22:42.45 | Monet | Part of a cycle mentioned early in the book. |
| 22:42.55 | drom | Yeah, the two-minute Hate |
| 22:44.27 | drom | Ugh |
| 22:44.45 | drom | Eurasia, then East-asia |
| 22:44.55 | Monet | To say we live in the world of 1984 is to call the dot com crash the Second Great Depression: It feels like it, and the two share similaritie,s but in fact it's merely exaggeration. |
| 22:45.36 | drom | How do you mean? |
| 22:46.16 | Wormy_ | While I know its sensantionlist crap, I actually understand the PETA message. Most on Imgur don't. It is not saying sheep are *killed* for wool, it is revealing the injuries from sheep sheering. I don't like PETA but the internet still jumps on a bandwagon http://imgur.com/gallery/sp6Gdo9 |
| 22:46.58 | Monet | drom: I mean there are elements of current society that feel like 1984 |
| 22:47.14 | drom | Monet: Ah, I understand now. |
| 22:49.53 | drom | Anyway. Monet, trying to imagine Sporewiki races fighting each other a la Homeworld style |
| 22:49.55 | Monet | Much of the time the criticism I hear references the cameras and the spying |
| 22:51.32 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e4/SkaurovirnHEad3.png/revision/latest?cb=20160308225109 So I think i'll stop there for now |
| 22:51.38 | Monet | drom: Space or ground? |
| 22:51.54 | drom | Monet: Why not both? |
| 22:52.01 | drom | Space preferably though |
| 22:52.16 | Monet | That's how I pictured battles |
| 22:52.29 | Monet | Xho: Moody guy. |
| 22:53.21 | drom | Xho: Spy does not approve of your athnics |
| 22:54.22 | drom | Wormy_: "you and your sparky references" I wonder what you meant here. |
| 22:56.02 | drom | Monet: Seriously though. I don't think I've seen a sketch of a single Darconid ship ever from you? |
| 22:56.40 | Monet | drom: I've only ever made them in Spore |
| 22:57.37 | drom | I'm aware. But what if you made your own renderation of one of them? |
| 22:58.06 | Monet | I've contemplated it |
| 22:58.50 | drom | Well. I'm very curious |
| 23:03.19 | drom | Monet: If anything, to which science-fiction empire/race would Draconid design asethics would be similar to, in your opinion? |
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| 23:04.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 23:04.14 | Monet | Hello |
| 23:04.27 | Wormy_ | drom: Sparky = clever |
| 23:04.30 | Monet | drom: Yeah that's a good question |
| 23:04.39 | drom | I've to admit that I've taken some of my asethics from the Vaygr of Homeworld, that corporate faction in EVE Online and a concept art of a dreadnaught for Star Conflict. |
| 23:04.47 | Monet | Their cities follow a different aesthetic to their warships |
| 23:05.23 | drom | Wormy_: Yeah. But what made you say it? |
| 23:06.17 | Wormy_ | You made clever references I didn't get in a short space of time |
| 23:07.26 | drom | Oh. I'm flattered. |
| 23:08.00 | Monet | drom: I think the New-Line ITN vessels were inspired by the Amarr ships. |
| 23:08.09 | Monet | From EVE |
| 23:09.01 | Charles_Bot | During the turmoil in the Quadrants, as France was consolidating a new state system in the Heer Stekeveel territories to replace Drodoian colonial rule, I'm 100% certain they seriously considered annexing all of Civi Impera, the enormous capital city which served as the capital for both the Lacrimosae protectorate and the Drodoian colonial administration. |
| 23:09.46 | Xho | If I manage to get hair and hard surface objects sorted out, I might turn that Skaurovirn into a model of Annamasakkan |
| 23:10.09 | drom | Monet: NS - what's up with Draconis and their pecky-birds for ships? |
| 23:10.10 | Charles_Bot | It's very likely they just settled with owning the financial, infrastructural, and economic heart of the city, the French Trade District which was already solidly theirs |
| 23:16.25 | drom | According to TVTropes, in most fiction, humans always have boring flying space metal bricks with guns. |
| 23:16.55 | Xho | So Samsung has developed a 15.36 TB SSD |
| 23:16.57 | drom | For spaceships. |
| 23:16.57 | Xho | the dinero |
| 23:17.57 | Monet | drom: Half the time yeah |
| 23:18.12 | Monet | For some reason if the ship is super-fancy, it's alien. |
| 23:18.16 | Monet | or not a warship |
| 23:18.38 | drom | Xho: It is for super rich entreprises though |
| 23:18.48 | Xho | I would hope so |
| 23:18.55 | Xho | No one needs 15 TB really |
| 23:19.10 | Xho | Apart from aforementioned enterprises |
| 23:19.12 | drom | "16GB embedded RAM" |
| 23:19.20 | *** join/#sporewiki AnonyLurk (44048e73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.4.142.115) |
| 23:19.32 | Xho | "lol y not" - Samsung, 2016 |
| 23:19.39 | AnonyLurk | I have some questions about the Dominion of Tyranny. |
| 23:19.42 | drom | So large that it needs its own computing system? |
| 23:19.42 | AnonyLurk | Where should I ask them? |
| 23:20.22 | Charles_Bot | You mean the Drakodomunatus Tyranny? |
| 23:20.32 | drom | Xho: The guy who owns all games on Steam |
| 23:20.34 | Charles_Bot | Drakodominatus |
| 23:20.40 | Charles_Bot | Dyac? |
| 23:20.46 | AnonyLurk | Drakodominatus, yeah. |
| 23:20.54 | AnonyLurk | The one from Attero Dominatus. |
| 23:20.55 | Charles_Bot | You can ask them to me |
| 23:21.10 | Xho | Sounds about right |
| 23:21.13 | Charles_Bot | GD is off the wiki for the time being |
| 23:21.14 | AnonyLurk | Cool. |
| 23:21.33 | AnonyLurk | One minute, let me just finish making dinner first. |
| 23:21.37 | drom | Xho: I once had 50 games on a 1 TB hdd, it wasn't enough. |
| 23:21.40 | Xho | I would like to know how much that SSD costs though |
| 23:22.24 | drom | Xho: "The South Korean firm is leaving one important detail out, at least for now: the price. As is typical for enterprise products, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. The previous generation PM1633 products cost around $1,000 (£700) per TB. We'd assume that the new drive will cut that per terabyte price, but we still wouldn't expect to see much change from $8,000 (£5,600). Still, if it means having the biggest drive ever made, that's a smal |
| 23:22.24 | drom | l price to pay, isn't it?" |
| 23:22.39 | Xho | Suppose so |
| 23:22.50 | Xho | $8K isn't that much I guess |
| 23:23.40 | drom | Relative price for storage devices are usually calculated as price per GB. |
| 23:24.27 | drom | SSDs do have the most expensive relative price/ratio |
| 23:24.28 | AnonyLurk | Charles_Bot. |
| 23:24.43 | Wormy_ | Michael Ironside Always Losing Limbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxFejgU0GkY |
| 23:24.49 | AnonyLurk | The Tyranny has access to shielding technology. |
| 23:24.56 | AnonyLurk | Are the shields visible? |
| 23:25.27 | Charles_Bot | Er, likely through sensor technology at least |
| 23:25.38 | AnonyLurk | What about visible light? |
| 23:26.03 | AnonyLurk | Particularly in the case of shields given to the infantry. |
| 23:27.08 | Charles_Bot | GD tended to elaborate on the technical aspects of his fiction, less on the visual aspects. So I assume he went with convention on this one and had them be invisible |
| 23:27.15 | Charles_Bot | Why do you ask? |
| 23:28.32 | AnonyLurk | For a story I'm writing. |
| 23:28.33 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.39 | AnonyLurk | I got interested enough to draft my own empire. |
| 23:28.42 | AnonyLurk | Unfinished. |
| 23:28.46 | AnonyLurk | Maybe never finished, we'll see. |
| 23:28.47 | Charles_Bot | Do you have permission from GD to use his stuff? |
| 23:28.49 | drom | Bye bye |
| 23:29.05 | AnonyLurk | No, I will ask him at the soonest opportunity. |
| 23:29.30 | Charles_Bot | You're going to have to ping him on the wiki, he doesn't come on irc |
| 23:29.42 | AnonyLurk | I will do so. |
| 23:29.45 | Charles_Bot | If you get his permission, you're all good ^.^ |
| 23:30.20 | AnonyLurk | I have some other questions too, if that's okay. |
| 23:30.42 | TekDroid | Yeah, it's one of the wiki's main rules that you need permission to use someone else's content so be aware of that |
| 23:30.45 | Charles_Bot | Absolutely, I'm never annoyed by questions. Ask away |
| 23:31.02 | Charles_Bot | I think he's understood |
| 23:31.38 | AnonyLurk | It says that most infantry armor is composed of Mark 2 Starship armor. |
| 23:31.45 | AnonyLurk | I'm a little fuzzy on the name, I'm trying to find where I read that now. |
| 23:31.52 | TekDroid | Sorry, don't mean to sound condescending or anything. |
| 23:32.12 | AnonyLurk | Found it. |
| 23:32.30 | AnonyLurk | "Standard Armor Material Mark 2 of starships." |
| 23:32.31 | AnonyLurk | Right. |
| 23:32.54 | AnonyLurk | What color is that material? |
| 23:33.25 | Charles_Bot | Black and gold, there should be pictures somewhere |
| 23:33.48 | Wormy_ | Use pictures of his ships for reference. |
| 23:34.57 | AnonyLurk | There are precious few images of infantry or tanks, unfortunately. |
| 23:35.18 | AnonyLurk | Okay, one more thing. |
| 23:35.26 | Charles_Bot | Shoot |
| 23:35.27 | AnonyLurk | Where can I read about what the conditions on a slave world are like? |
| 23:35.33 | AnonyLurk | Or at least the sections of it the slaves are kept in. |
| 23:36.23 | Charles_Bot | Check out the [[Fiction:United Free Peoples Coalition]], it might have some information for you |
| 23:36.31 | Wormy_ | I imagine it would be bare minimum. I think slaves got turned into cybernetic robots or 'biodrones' |
| 23:36.53 | Charles_Bot | It depends on the stage the Tyranny is at |
| 23:36.57 | Wormy_ | indeed |
| 23:37.12 | Charles_Bot | Pre-2792, they were kept in check by slave chips |
| 23:37.25 | Charles_Bot | Post-2792, they were biodroned |
| 23:37.39 | Charles_Bot | Should also be on the DT's industry page or something |
| 23:37.47 | AnonyLurk | Are biodrones irredeemable? |
| 23:37.56 | Charles_Bot | That's the thinking |
| 23:38.10 | Monet | They're pretty much dead men walking...inside mechanical suits. |
| 23:38.26 | TekDroid | No going back to my understanding. |
| 23:38.27 | Charles_Bot | They're more tortured, wretched, and lobotomized than anything else |
| 23:38.53 | Charles_Bot | Lol, all of the users who were there during the Dominatus War chiming in |
| 23:38.55 | Charles_Bot | Good times |
| 23:39.27 | AnonyLurk | So they couldn't possible rebel, or anything. |
| 23:39.32 | AnonyLurk | Or be modified in some way to rebel. |
| 23:39.35 | AnonyLurk | *Possibly. |
| 23:40.19 | TekDroid | I remember we had a discussion about what to do with the biodrones in Katar way back, but I don't remember what we decided because that was around two years ago. XD |
| 23:40.26 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither |
| 23:40.27 | Monet | A lot of them are in a state where death will be a much greater generosity. |
| 23:40.29 | Charles_Bot | The UFPC did |
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| 23:40.45 | drom | Okay. My intestines has settled for a moment now. |
| 23:41.06 | TekDroid | Actually it's so far back when I say Katar I don't mean the channel because it didn't even exist yet. XD |
| 23:41.12 | DrodoEmpire | If the irredeemable, then it may be better to euthanize them |
| 23:41.13 | Charles_Bot | TekDroid: we decided there were no biodroned in Katar |
| 23:41.17 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 23:41.23 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.24 | DrodoEmpire | Then that's a moot point |
| 23:41.27 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah. |
| 23:41.28 | DrodoEmpire | Him |
| 23:41.36 | DrodoEmpire | I checked his activity on other wikis |
| 23:41.45 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.51 | DrodoEmpire | He's banned on all other wikis he was on and seems to have issued at least one death threat |
| 23:41.57 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 23:42.00 | TekDroid | Erm... |
| 23:42.01 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.05 | DrodoEmpire | Ah. |
| 23:42.18 | AnonyLurk | Oh, Charles, one more question on shields. |
| 23:42.24 | TekDroid | Uh... I think we need to keep an eye on him. |
| 23:42.24 | AnonyLurk | Two more, actually. |
| 23:42.26 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.28 | Charles_Bot | Yup? |
| 23:42.34 | AnonyLurk | You said they were invisible before, do they become visible when hit? |
| 23:42.38 | AnonyLurk | Or do they always stay invisible. |
| 23:42.52 | Charles_Bot | Visible when hit |
| 23:43.08 | AnonyLurk | What color? |
| 23:43.37 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.43 | Charles_Bot | Maybe a yellow? I'm not sure GD ever specified that. Knowing him, it could be blood red |
| 23:44.19 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.29 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.57 | TekDroid | ...should we be worried about that? |
| 23:46.31 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.47 | TekDroid | Great. >.< |
| 23:47.01 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.10 | AnonyLurk | Was it ever specified how the shields work? |
| 23:47.14 | AnonyLurk | Electromagnetics? |
| 23:47.16 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.34 | AnonyLurk | Or just space magic. Not to imply there's anything wrong with space magic, just need to know. |
| 23:47.42 | Monet | Wait... |
| 23:47.49 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.05 | TekDroid | Prepare for knock- you've got to be kidding me |
| 23:48.07 | Wormy_ | SACRILEGE |
| 23:48.30 | TekDroid | UNLEASH THE CYRANNIAN! |
| 23:48.33 | Monet | ANd he's defaced it. |
| 23:48.59 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.07 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.08 | ZF101 | Deh fukk am I looking at. |
| 23:49.18 | TekDroid | Monet: Yeah, wonder which one they added. >.> |
| 23:49.42 | DrodoEmpire | Wait what |
| 23:49.45 | DrodoEmpire | I've been away\ |
| 23:49.53 | DrodoEmpire | This kid just outright stole our shit? |
| 23:50.16 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.22 | DrodoEmpire | Jesus |
| 23:50.43 | DrodoEmpire | With all the wiki's he's been kicked off of I'm surprised he hasn't been issued a universal ban |
| 23:51.15 | Monet | He has indeed been sohuted at for his reputation. |
| 23:51.24 | drom | <insert something something about Wikia here> |
| 23:51.46 | The_Randomness | Just from the way it sounds, he probably won't amount to much more than a loud, but minor nuisance |
| 23:51.47 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.54 | DrodoEmpire | Not at all |
| 23:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | I'm quite curious too |
| 23:52.08 | DrodoEmpire | Randomness: Sure but still |
| 23:52.14 | DrodoEmpire | The circus is in town :p |
| 23:53.20 | drom | The only crime he has done so far is stealing a picture from one of us and been a bit of nuisance here: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:210970 |
| 23:53.49 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:54.25 | Wormy_ | I find it hard to assume good faith when the guy blatantly doesn't want to follow any rules |
| 23:54.25 | DrodoEmpire | Right, so far to us directly |
| 23:54.48 | drom | You can keep him for comedy value, but given his bad reputation and nuisance. It might be a good idea to keep an eye on his attics. |
| 23:55.03 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I don't see any reason to keep that person around |
| 23:55.17 | DrodoEmpire | We'll keep him until he does something grossly against the rules, I say |
| 23:55.26 | DrodoEmpire | We shouldn't preemptively ban people |
| 23:56.21 | The_Randomness | of course |
| 23:56.43 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.56 | drom | The most gross thing he did was stealing a work from one of us (Cyrannian), however. Modifed it and reuploaded it at an other Wikia. |
| 23:57.03 | drom | But that was 2-3 months ago. |
| 23:57.27 | Technobliterator | who's this? |
| 23:57.35 | DrodoEmpire | This Jackson guy |
| 23:57.40 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 23:57.43 | Technobliterator | I know nothing about him |
| 23:57.45 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jackson615 |
| 23:57.46 | Wormy_ | I'm not saying we pre-emptively ban him. But it does look like he is not at least trying to understand what has been told to him on our wiki. |
| 23:58.05 | Wormy_ | Which means a disruptive user or trolling. |
| 23:58.05 | Technobliterator | Nope, doesn't ring a bell |
| 23:58.32 | DrodoEmpire | He seems to be banned from all other wikis he's been on, and has issued two death threats on other wikis. This doesn't bode well for his behavior here but we should wait for sure |
| 23:58.35 | Wormy_ | He's made a death threat on Speculative Evolution Wiki. |
| 23:58.40 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:210970 |
| 23:58.43 | Technobliterator | yeah I say just ban this guy |
| 23:58.45 | drom | He did get banned for the reason "No Trolling" at one of the Wikis listed at his profile |
| 23:58.55 | drom | Made only two edits |
| 23:58.59 | drom | rip |
| 23:59.08 | ZF101 | Spare us the trouble, just ban him. |
| 23:59.11 | Technobliterator | not necessarily |
| 23:59.15 | Technobliterator | could've made more |
| 23:59.16 | Technobliterator | and had them deleted |
| 23:59.20 | Technobliterator | I definitely say warn him for that |
| 23:59.31 | DrodoEmpire | I'd sooner not immediately ban him |
| 23:59.50 | ZF101 | I don't think warning him will do much good. |
