IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160307

00:05.28Xhohttp://mrambisinistrous.deviantart.com/art/Zhulultu-Head-595098579?ga_submit_new=10%253A1457309115 So that's my progress on the Zhulultu Head
00:06.31Liquid_InkNoice
00:06.35MonetLooks appropriately creepy.
00:08.59OluapPlayerfood goes in hao
00:10.34TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, I will finish the next Borealis Front section tomorrow
00:10.42OluapPlayerdam u woman
00:11.01Technobliteratorsorry :C
00:12.21MonetCOnsidering how advanced they are, eating might be considered an inefficient way of sustaining thmeselves.
00:13.12XhoI wonder if I should go ahead and do the whole body as well
00:13.17OluapPlayerGigaquadrant - how do you eat              Zhulultu - very carefully
00:13.33XhoI'm still working out how to do the eyes
00:14.59XhoEither way that's 711,842 polygons over the other head's 19,926
00:15.05Xhomucho shapeos
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00:28.59XhoI'm still in the beginner stages though
00:31.07XhoFuck it I'm going to sleep now
00:31.11XhoGotta get up at 7
00:31.23MonetGoodnight
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03:12.43AnonyLurkNow.
03:12.48DrodoEmpireHm?
03:12.50AnonyLurkNow....
03:12.56AnonyLurkThat my failedate is over.
03:12.59AnonyLurkI can finally continue.
03:13.01AnonyLurkThe legendary saga.
03:13.17AnonyLurk....Of everyone on SporeWiki being repeatedly killed by Sectoids.
03:13.24AnonyLurkIf they don't kill each other first.
03:13.28DrodoEmpireAh
03:14.07AnonyLurkSeriously, the sheer amount of teamkilling that has already occurred is higher than in all my previous runs combined.
03:14.22AnonyLurkNot including mind control.
03:14.27AnonyLurkI blame my extremely liberal use of rocket launchers.
03:14.34DrodoEmpirehur
03:18.14AnonyLurkTruly, this is what I wanted to spend my night doing as opposed to anything else.
03:18.25AnonyLurkcries softly to himself in the bathroom
03:18.39DrodoEmpire>:
03:37.56AnonyLurkAlright.
03:37.57AnonyLurkDrodo.
03:38.04AnonyLurkYour character went full bossmode for this entire mission.
03:38.06AnonyLurkIt was great.
03:38.46AnonyLurkActually, I'm going to wait until there's more people to tell this one since the mission was actually rather interesting.
03:39.18DrodoEmpireOh nice
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12:08.20HachimanHi
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12:10.41WormydroidHi
12:11.09HachimanHi
12:16.19WormydroidI am severely sleep derprived from a hangover from hell
12:16.32HachimanOuch
12:16.37HachimanNeed some hair of the dog
12:17.39WormydroidKept waking up in the night from hypnagogic jerks, which creates a vicious cycle by making you more anxious and alert, thus getting woken again and again
12:18.18WormydroidOne of the times I thought I was having a seizure, but it was probably just a panic attack upon waking
12:19.35WormydroidIm not mixing strong ale, red wine and bubbly again
12:19.55Wormydroid(not all in one cocktail though)
12:20.29WormydroidRed wine doesn't like to share you with anything
12:20.41HachimanHoly fuck
12:20.50HachimanWhy would you do that
12:21.15HachimanWhy not just be a normal person and stick to Vodka shots and Jaegerbombs
12:22.01WormydroidPerhaps I should. I normally just stick to beer and am fine with that afterwards
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12:29.54JepardiHi
12:31.18WormydroidAlso I have curry guts
12:31.27WormydroidHi
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13:11.26HachimanHai
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14:09.26ImpyDroidHi
14:09.53HachimanHi Imp
14:10.29OluapPlayerhi
14:15.54ImpyDroidHachiman: https://youtu.be/O9gS3BsY6E0 What the
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15:02.44TekDroidWormy_: Wormy still in use?
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15:45.54ImpyDroidhi
15:51.56HachimanImpyDroid: "A man on a place stood up from his seat and shouted, "HIJACK!" The people on the plane were scared, until a man in the back row of the plane stood up and yelled, "HI JOHN!""
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16:01.18Wormy_TekDroid:  Hello
16:01.40Wormy_The nickname must be
16:01.40TekDroidHello Wormy_
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16:23.43HachimanHi Imp
16:34.22Charles_MurrayHey Imp
16:34.34ImperiosHiya
16:35.06Charles_MurrayI was wondering what you thought of France's participation in the Highlord Council yesterday
16:35.22ImperiosOoh it was nice
16:52.47Charles_MurrayCompletely forgot that I didn't add this to the French Andromedan page: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Commonwealth_of_French_Andromeda#Map
16:52.50Charles_MurrayImperios
16:53.15Charles_MurrayCiel-Sans-Limites is in that yellow blob
16:53.23Charles_MurrayWait wat
16:53.35Charles_MurrayNevermind
16:53.58Charles_MurrayLe-Grand-Ciel is in the yellow blob, my bad
16:58.52ImperiosRite
16:59.23ImperiosSo it's some sort of wilderness under Frenchie influence
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17:03.03dromsup
17:04.05Xhomeow
17:04.45ImpyDroidhi
17:05.35Xho"Lionhead Studios closes"
17:05.36XhoAw man
17:08.17HachimanOh wow what
17:08.57XhoYeah they're cancelling Fable Legends as well
17:09.26HachimanJesus
17:09.31HachimanFable Legends looked alright as well
17:11.53dromAw, I liked their logo
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17:15.00GhelaeHello.
17:16.07dromSpecially the one used in Fable II and the version before it
17:16.48dromhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfMMa1kkK-M Their logo morphs and shifts to different versions and iterations of itself
17:17.34dromFeels almost like almost every member of the team contributes their own piece and assembled it to an animation.
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17:20.34Wormy_hi
17:20.40Charles_BotHey!
17:21.06dromHello
17:22.31dromImperios: http://i.imgur.com/8bNwIR6.jpg
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17:27.53Quark8Hello.
17:32.05OluapPlayerlate spu
17:33.35Imperiosdrom: Consider when the Church of Satan was first founded though
17:34.06drom1966
17:34.25dromWormy_ Ghelae: https://youtu.be/nQHBAdShgYI
17:39.21AnonyLurkWas just watching that earlier today, drom.
17:40.02AnonyLurkReminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI.
17:40.58dromAyy are you a friend of Snoo?
17:45.57ImperiosCharles_Bot: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/fc/Highlord_Seal.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307174510 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f4/Lord_Protector_Seal.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307174510 So I made several variant seals for various PAE officials
17:46.06ImperiosWhat do you think? Not a fan of the latter one personally
17:48.48AnonyLurkWhat's the purpose of the seal?
17:49.02TekDroidhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1457359069-20160307.png
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17:49.54dino82_hi
17:49.59TekDroidhi
17:50.15dromTekDroid: It was something I'm worried about
17:50.29dromI found out that you can easily get very bored if you've free time.
17:50.34ImperiosAnonyLurk: Personal seal of the Highlords and the Lord Protector
17:51.23AnonyLurkBut for what purpose?
17:51.28AnonyLurkIs it for signing things, or what?
17:51.31ImperiosYeah
17:51.48dromTekDroid: And vice versa: Too much work makes you a bad boy
17:52.21AnonyLurkAre the things being signed by wax, or ink, or what?
17:52.34Ghelaedrom: The sheer number of people who express the "teleporters actually kill you" point of view is so much I wonder if any of them actually think they're being clever and saying something that thousands of other people haven't already thought of.
17:52.35AnonyLurkIs the signer manually drawing the seal each and every time they sign something, or do they have a signet ring or equivalent device?
17:57.14ImperiosAnonyLurk: Probably some *technobabble technobabble* holographic thing
17:57.19Ghelaedrom: At ,e
17:57.27ImperiosCould also be used on government facilities as a symbol
17:57.30GhelaeAt least it eventually brings up the real-world equivalents.
17:58.56GhelaeBut really, the whole problem seems to be based on an implicit assumption of continuity, or at least conservation, of consciousness, i.e. a spatial/temporal break in consciousness being identical to one consciousness being destroyed and another one created.
17:59.41AnonyLurkSo it's not something that has to repeatedly drawn, often and clearly, on a regular basis.  At least without readily available access to advanced technology with which to draw/paint/sculpt it?
18:00.31TekDroidAnonyLurk: I think you're reading too much into a simple symbol used to represent a position of power
18:00.59ImperiosAnonyLurk: Considering there may be some tribal worlds under ecumene protection
18:01.11ImperiostHerre could also be a manually drawn variant
18:02.56ImperiosHachiman Wormy_ Xho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Loyal_Opposition_(United_Kingdom) What the hell is that title
18:03.11TekDroidGhelae: I agree. It implies some deep inherent meaning in the perceived continuity of a continuously changing arrangement of atoms.
18:03.21ImperiosDo you really call your opposition "Her Majesty's Most Loyal"
18:03.30AnonyLurkI was just thinking that, since the gaps depicted in the symbol or small, they would likely become indistinct when you draw it.
18:03.30AnonyLurkhttp://imgur.com/395h1su
18:03.37AnonyLurkSo you'd end up with something looking more like this in practice.
18:03.51AnonyLurkThere is also the fact to consider of what it looks like if you don't have multiple colors to work with.
18:04.01Wormy_Imperios:  We just call them the Opposition.  But yeah, funny title.
18:04.02AnonyLurkPurple ink might be difficult to come by in a hostile environment.
18:04.55AnonyLurkSee, when you take all the colors and lines and gaps away, as would be likely to happen if it was attempted to be produced by an unskilled individual with little resources and equipment, the symbol just appears to be a hexagon.
18:05.05HachimanThey are the Opposition because they rival the current political party that has a Prime Minister
18:05.14AnonyLurkWhich wouldn't be good if you were, say, stranded on a planet and had to signal to your space-fleet that you're not dead and need rescue.
18:05.20HachimanThey are still loyal to the Queen
18:05.21ImperiosI undertstand that by what's with the fancy title
18:05.36Imperios*but what's
18:05.47Charles_BotImperios
18:05.50Charles_BotCrap
18:05.52Charles_BotUgh
18:05.53HachimanI dunno, guess we did not have a better term for it
18:06.02Charles_BotIt's very significant
18:06.13Charles_BotLike, actually a foundation of democracy
18:06.39Charles_BotCan I explain it to you over the phone or something? I don't have time to type it out
18:06.41AnonyLurkCompared to this http://imgur.com/sW05U4j historically used seal, where although it is decorated and detailed, even if that all gets blurred out by the wax melting or it being drawn by a peasant, you can still pretty clearly tell "That's an M in a circle".
18:06.43Wormy_Ghelae, TekDroid, drom:  I dipped into this discussion a bit late.  If the mind is epiphenomenal, it is quite compatible with the argument that consciousness doesn't require such sharp contininuity.  The level of meaning is not in the atoms (though determined by it), but at a more emergent level of interactions.
18:06.59AnonyLurkKind of like how the phonetic alphabet is designed to be idiot-proof so you don't make mistakes during radio communications.
18:07.04AnonyLurk...I think about things too deeply.
18:07.06AnonyLurkIt's a cool symbol!
18:07.47Wormy_Consider people who wake from comas.  The deepest comas are truly unconscious.  Are we to say the original person died?  I don't think it can be a binary thing, our continuity in time is indeed just as fuzzy.
18:08.04Wormy_And that's in the waking world
18:08.16dromWormy Ghelae TekDroid: The way he explained how our consciousness works when we go to bed. You'd have the same body but you actual self die and the body gets a new yet very similar consciousness.
18:08.27AnonyLurkWormy_.
18:08.34ImperiosCharles_Bot: You mean in Skype or something?
18:08.35ImperiosCould do
18:08.39AnonyLurkConsider that, when you are asleep or in a coma, your brain still exists.
18:08.43Ghelaedrom: But there's no need for that. It can still be the same self if you don't assume continuity of consciousness.
18:08.46Charles_BotSkype could work
18:08.50AnonyLurkIt's still a functioning organ in your skull that's processing some degree of information, however little.
18:09.02Wormy_Your hardware exists.  But the mind, the software, is not.
18:09.05AnonyLurkWhereas, with the teleported, once you get teleported your brain is absolutely irrevocably destroyed.
18:09.19dromGhelae: That's wht I meant, you are still yourself, but your consciousness won't be the same.
18:09.32Charles_BotImperios: danaliieth
18:09.32AnonyLurkYour brain is still processing information when you're asleep, you're still THINKING when you're asleep, but you might not be able to PERCEIVE that you are thinking or REMEMBER doing so.
18:10.03Wormy_Yeah I don't disagree with the former.  But remember because the brain processes information, it is happening at a more abstract level.  The very atoms in your body are completely changed every few years.
18:10.34Ghelaedrom: The point is, it's only "not the same" because there's a discontinuity. That doesn't necessarily make it different.
18:10.47GhelaeI should also point out the irony in that video, where they say that they aren't going to consider anything that can't be measured, but one point they make is about if, in a transporter, your subjective experience is transporter lights and noises followed by eternal nothingness... but subjective experience like that is unmeasurable!
18:10.52Wormy_If you got physically destroyed and recreated, but with the information nearly perfectly transferred, I argue that the continity of consciousness won't be destroyed.
18:10.57ImperiosContacted you
18:11.12AnonyLurkI argue that it would.
18:11.26AnonyLurkIf you were physically destroyed, and reconstructed ten years later, would the continuity of consciousness be destroyed?
18:11.38AnonyLurkThere is a time gap between the moment of destruction and the moment of recreation.
18:11.46Wormy_And actually some of the deepest, and vegetative states (which people have actually have woken up from oin rare occasion) see's nearly total losss of higher brain function.
18:11.54Wormy_*deepest states of coma
18:12.06AnonyLurkSo why would the length of that time gap make a difference as to whether or not there is a gap?
18:12.30Wormy_I don't think the time gap matters
18:12.50GhelaeTechnical definition of continuity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_equation In that case (of course you have to sort of imagine "consciousness" can be given a numerical quantity), continuity is violated for teleportation and complete unconsciousness.
18:12.52Wormy_That's not part of my argument
18:12.59AnonyLurkSo would it still be YOU if you went into a transporter, were deconstructed, and then reconstructed at a significantly later date?
18:13.25AnonyLurkSay, a century into the future?
18:13.47AnonyLurkTo me that would imply that you're practically coming back from the dead, your consciousness hasn't existed to the rest of the universe for over a hundred years.
18:13.51AnonyLurkBut what's your take on it?
18:14.05Wormy_Yes, but what is the self in my argument is not a binary thing, it's a fuzzy boundary.  It depends how faithfully infoemation was transferred.  If it was perfect, then no matter how time had past, I think it would still be the same self.
18:14.30Wormy_However, in the real world, information is *not* transferred so easily
18:14.53AnonyLurkWhere would the self be during the intervening time?
18:15.06Wormy_In the future
18:15.25AnonyLurkRelative to the rest of the universe.
18:15.37Wormy_Think of this through a "Spacetime" view of things, and it makes slightly better sense :P
18:16.02Wormy_Quite a lot og physicists picture time as discrete moments anyway
18:16.04ImperiosCharles_Bot: ONe more thing: what do you think of the seals?
18:16.05Wormy_*of
18:16.35Charles_BotI like them! Not what I expected, but I'll definitely use them
18:17.05Imperioshttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f4/Lord_Protector_Seal.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307181651 I fixed the LP seal btw
18:17.30AnonyLurkI still don't think you're same on the other side of the teleporter.
18:17.35AnonyLurk*Transported.
18:17.38AnonyLurk**Transporter.
18:17.39Wormy_Why not?
18:17.49TekDroidIt tries too much to create an arbitrary life/death binary definition based on the notion of spatial and temporal continuity, itself arguably an arbitrary notion.
18:18.07AnonyLurkIf you're asleep, or in a coma, or any sort of vegetative state your consciousness still exists, just in a different state.
18:18.21AnonyLurkBut if you go through a transporter, there is a moment where your consciousness ceases to exist.
18:18.24AnonyLurkA break, as it were.
18:18.33AnonyLurkIt gets destroyed, then it comes back into existence.
18:18.37Wormy_Actually, I'm inclined to agree.  I don't think you could copy information so easily, so the person recreated may be like you, or a part of you  that *could be* in very different circumstances/
18:19.29Wormy_From what I've read about the deepest forms of coma, the mind goes truly unconscious.  It is nothing like sleep.
18:19.42AnonyLurkThe mind is still functioning on some level, though.
18:19.48AnonyLurkAt the very least, the atoms are still all stuck together.
18:20.09AnonyLurkElse, the person would be brain dead and not in a coma.
18:20.43GhelaeI've been busy making dinner, but here's another comment:
18:20.51Wormy_The atomscome and go, but consistency is retained from an informational point of view as far as I'm aware.  Though I admit I haven't looked into whether our atoms are really entirely replaced.
18:21.16Ghelaewhat's happening is that you're assuming that, if the consciousness does not exist for a period of time, it must be destroyed. Its recreation must therefore be new.
18:21.52AnonyLurkRight.
18:21.55AnonyLurkThat is what I'm assuming.
18:22.12AnonyLurkIf the consciousness goes through the act of being destroyed, then it's gone.
18:22.18GhelaeI'll try to explain why that's implicitly assuming a sort of "conservation of consciousness".
18:22.36GhelaeThe connection between this and the continuity equation is that continuity equations say that "the change in the amount of a substance within a volume is equal to the net amount flowing into or out of a volume, plus/minus the amount being created/destroyed".
18:23.18GhelaeWhat you're saying is that the amount of consciousness within a volume - where a person's brain was - has decreased, but there's been no "consciousness current" flowing out of that volume, so it must have been destroyed.
18:23.40AnonyLurkRight.
18:23.45GhelaeEssentially you're assuming that, like matter, consciousness cannot discontinuously teleport across time and space.
18:24.41AnonyLurkI'm assuming that it can not continue to exist after going through complete destruction and annihilation.
18:25.03AnonyLurkOnce it's gone, it's gone, and can not continue to exist even if a complete replica can be created and then continue to exist.
18:26.04dromTekDroid Wormy_: http://turnoff.us/image/en/family-crisis.png
18:26.09TekDroidBut then what makes a new entity - mentally identical in virtually every way - "different" from its predecessor?
18:26.12GhelaeSo that raises the question of, why does destroying the matter count as a destruction of the consciousness.
18:26.37GhelaeIf the consciousness is some additional substance produced by matter, sure, of course that makes sense.
18:26.47GhelaeBut if the consciousness is just a pattern, then see Tek's question.
18:27.32GhelaeErm, for a loose definition of "pattern" that I'm a bit too preoccupied to come up with a better word for. I'm sure you all get what I mean.
18:28.19Wormy_I was trying to relate to a view which see's the self as a pattern in space and time.  Obviously, it evolves deterministically in space and time to retain consistency.  But that consistency would be arranged in a collection of moments, hence that's I'm more comfortable with the idea of teleportation.
18:28.27dromTekDroid Ghelae Wormy_ Technobliterator: When debugging: https://media.giphy.com/media/WM3HX2cZ3zTry/giphy.gif
18:29.26Wormy_heh
18:29.38Wormy_I find I fix one thing only to breeak another.
18:29.50AnonyLurkI made the mistake of using the word 'consciousness' to refer to 'brain'.
18:29.53AnonyLurkI consider them to be the same.
18:30.05AnonyLurkIf the matter that composes the brain is destroyed, the consciousness is destroyed.
18:30.23AnonyLurkMind, the transporter doesn't transport matter, it destroys matter then creates an exact replica of that matter somewhere else.
18:30.34AnonyLurkSo since the matter in the brain was destroyed, the consciousness was too.l
18:30.37AnonyLurk*Too.
18:30.41AnonyLurkTherefore transporters kill you.
18:30.46Wormy_I think the only difference really in our viewpoints, is that your "atoms of thought" are literal atoms, while mined is informational pattern.
18:31.00Wormy_*atoms of information
18:32.06AnonyLurkThat seems like an accurate assesment, Wormy_.
18:32.51AnonyLurkSince you see it as a pattern, rather than atoms, it doesn't matter that the transporter destroys the atoms.
18:33.02Wormy_I think if the teleporter malfunctioned, and fails to recreate any pattern resembling the original consciousness, then yes, it would cease to be.
18:33.07AnonyLurkIt destroys the pattern too, sure, but when the pattern comes back into existence on the other side it's still the same pattern.
18:33.30AnonyLurkWhereas the way I see it, since the consciousness lies not in the pattern but the atoms, and it's not the same atoms on the other side then it kills you.
18:33.58GhelawayAnonyLurk: So you're associating consciousness with the atoms rather than the interactions between them?
18:34.24GhelawayRather than the interactions between large numbers of them*
18:34.55AnonyLurkI am associating consciousness with the continued and uninterrupted interaction between the atoms.
18:35.06AnonyLurkEr.
18:35.07AnonyLurkHmm.
18:35.25AnonyLurkI am associating consciousness with the atoms, yes.
18:35.30Ghelaway"Continuous and uninterrupted" needs justification.
18:35.50AnonyLurkJustification or clarification?
18:36.05AnonyLurkWhat do you mean by justification?
18:36.06GhelawayWell, I mean, you're perfectly free to believe what you want. But it sounds like an assumption to me.
18:36.54TekDroidhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NuPmcagc
18:37.03TekDroidErm... that was odd
18:38.16TekDroidBut that link was suposed to be a message at Wormy_
18:38.23TekDroid:P
18:38.25Wormy_Ghelaway:  Are we heading to the old argument of the continuum vs. the discrete?
18:38.58Wormy_I agree TekDroid
18:39.02AnonyLurkWhat do you mean by justification, though.  I don't understand what you mean by that sentence.
18:41.06Wormy_The reason why I raise the continuus vs. discrete models of reality, is because the answer to whether interactions are uninterutpted I feel rests on that issue.  Classical physics is generally continuus, while quantum mechanics is discrete *and* continnum in a weird sense
18:41.50GhelI mean, why do you think the interactions should be continuous and uninterrupted? The laws of physics don't care about interruptions. Set the end state of one system as the initial condition of another and that's no different, as far as that system as concerned, to resetting your clock to time = 0.
18:42.20GhelWormy_: I don't think this should depend on whether or not the universe is continuous.
18:42.49GhelContinuity equations, with a little modification, are still perfectly compatible with discrete spacetimes.
18:43.51Wormy_No, but if you think of things having a continuity in time, as a disrete collection of moments, then asking where mind goes between physical state would force one to conclude that mind is new every moment
18:44.11Wormy_From a reductionist standpoint
18:44.45GhelNot really. You could just redefine "continuity" to requiring no full discrete moments occuring between worldline moments.
18:49.32GhelI realise I might not have explained the relationship to continuity earlier, although it probably doesn't directly impact the discussion if Anony and I were using different definitions of consciousness at the time.
18:50.12GhelThe point is, if the amount of consciousness changes in a given volume of space, the possibilities given by the continuity equation are either a) current flowed in/out of the volume, or b) there was a source/sink (it was created or destroyed).
18:51.26GhelBut without assuming continuity, option c), teleportation occurred, is also a possibility. At which point there's no reason to assume that, if there's no current, option b) is what occurred.
18:52.28GhelAnd defining consciousness so that b) is definitely what occurs is simply begging the question. It's not a physically meaningful definition.
18:52.36GhelNow time to do washing up.
18:54.36XhoSilly Ghel, AI don't wash up
18:57.32Xhohttp://orig13.deviantart.net/cde2/f/2016/067/4/f/zhulultu_head_progress_by_mrambisinistrous-d9udynq.png My progress on the Zhulultu Head
18:58.29AnonyLurkhttp://data.desustorage.org/tg/image/1456/17/1456171699076.pdf
19:01.30XhoIt's gone up to a ridiculous amount of polygons however
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19:11.13ImpyDroidXho: Moustache
19:11.26Xhodat not a moustache
19:11.58ImpyDroidI do not care the Zhulultu will forever be space Prussians for me
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19:13.33ZF101Hello all.
19:13.51dromImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/zLqniRP.jpg
19:16.17dromYou can be never too cool for kittens http://i.imgur.com/LbImcsh.jpg?1
19:20.15AnonyLurkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmOBm-Lcs70&feature=iv&src_vid=nQHBAdShgYI&annotation_id=annotation_694509337#t=1h9m30s
19:22.32dromImpyDroid: Why does this ship remind me of the Taiidan Ion Frigate from Homeworld? http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/70/Salamander-class.png/revision/latest?cb=20130223172617
19:23.38dromImpyDroid: The ship I get reminded off in question: http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/11/10914/Taiidan_Ion_Frigate_firing.jpg
19:24.56dromSUKA BLYAAAAAAT
19:34.18XhoDrom: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ee/ZhulultuHeadRender.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307193305 Getting there with it
19:35.30dromThat stickman neck
19:35.44dromIt looks awesome though
19:36.12XhoPainting it tho
19:39.36TekDroidXho: I'm guessing rendering the whole body will take hours or even days at that level? XD
19:39.45XhoProbably
19:39.49XhoI'm only doing the head though
19:40.05TekDroidAh
19:40.05AnonyLurkAre you planning to 3D print that thing?
19:41.54GhelIf you did, it'd be like a trophy. The severed head of a Zhulultu.
19:42.51XhoThat would be cool but no, I dunno the print side of it
19:49.25dromWormy__ Charles_Bot: You might have seen the two shilouettes I uploaded to Sporewiki last friday. This is one of them: http://i.imgur.com/Q1nUmTl.png
19:49.40dromI think I would dump that "rhino" nose at the front
19:53.22Wormy__I did
19:54.28dromHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/DPpFrRx.webm
20:11.53dromXho Wormy__: "Told you to stop" http://i.imgur.com/L66iZtY.gif
20:13.32Wormy__lol
20:14.26Xhoouch
20:14.44XhoI might have to start off an entirely new model if I wanted to do a full body for a Zhulultu
20:15.03XhoI sculpted an upper torso area but the subdivisions weren't very nice
20:16.14XhoNor was DynaMesh, it kind of redistributed everything so it went from 1.29 million polygons down to about 180,000
20:16.21XhoThe head looked like it was out of 2004 or something
20:16.45dino82_bye bye!
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20:18.10DrodoEmpireHi everybody
20:24.19GhelHello.
20:28.26dromHachiman Wormy__ Xho: Proper birth control http://i.imgur.com/wLWIh8T.webm
20:29.11Wormy__or skull crushing
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20:29.28JepardiHi
20:30.27dromWormy__: http://www.westmans.se/wp-content/uploads/15482.jpg
20:30.28DrodoEmpireWormy__: Skull crushing? Well, you *could* crush a head, but its not the one on your neck <.<
20:31.57Wormy__The one in front of the spade is just part of the personalised lobotomy 2-in-one birth control kit
20:33.51dromWormy__: You are looking for a garden rake, not a spade.
20:34.28dromIt also includes hoes
20:42.31dromWormy_: Seriosuly though, how would I trim or improve the top 'horn' of the ship's fore? http://imgur.com/Q1nUmTl
20:43.41dromI kinda thought I could make it a more slated bump. Like the front of this ship http://d2oah9q9xdinv5.cloudfront.net/images/mods/1/15/14077/Vgr_MBC1.jpg
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20:50.18DrodoEmpireHi
20:52.40dromThe proper Charles_Murray is back
20:52.54Charles_Murray*cracks knuckles*
20:54.03Charles_MurrayI'm thinking of making a series of embassy pages which will serve as go-to pages for France's relationship with other fictions. Message me if you're interested on collaborating with me on one ^.^
20:57.28Wormy__drom:  The top thing? Hard to say in 2D, I'd make the angle of the top and bottom 'horns' match by following a slant
20:57.47Wormy__that would mean reshaping them
21:00.14dromdamnit, I don't have the USB at my hand now
21:05.13Charles_Murraythat awkward moment when you accidentally type "French Giaquadrant"
21:05.22Charles_MurrayFrance - MY COVEUR IS BLOWN!
21:05.46dromFrance - DEPLOY THE TERRIBLEU JOKES, NOW
21:08.39DrodoEmpirehur
21:14.35Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Compact_of_Nations wat is dis
21:19.44Wormy__Somehow 21st century people are alive and active in it
21:20.32DrodoEmpireDBZStarWarsPoke's been here for a while
21:20.35DrodoEmpireodd bird
21:21.26DrodoEmpire"founder of the galaxy wide religion Christianity." Well guys looks like we need to rewrite the history books
21:22.17drom*insert oglaf reaction*
21:23.22dromThe two last panels http://40.media.tumblr.com/161d8b66c20761f92b9956858a83035f/tumblr_inline_nmwjwh5Xdr1qg36k6_500.jpg
21:23.57XhoKrath and Santorakh in a nutshell
21:25.33dromHachiman Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/chamber.jpg priceless
21:26.10Hachimanhur
21:26.19HachimanAlso you got guts looking through Oglaf's stuff
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21:26.50DrodoEmpirehi
21:26.59dromEh, I found his site and the first two pages have been pretty much tame and fun
21:26.59HalopediamanHey-ho
21:27.05dromHachiman Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/fullthrottle.jpg
21:27.44dromHachiman: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/merrymen_cfgPnqI.jpg
21:27.56Hachimanhur
21:28.30dromOh god
21:28.37dromNow I came to a very NSFW stuff
21:28.47HachimanYep
21:29.21drom<PROTECTED>
21:29.54HachimanIt only gets worse from there
21:30.36dromHachiman: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/wax_loquacious.jpg
21:30.48dromNot NSFW but oh dear
21:32.47XhoKalcedia much
21:33.15Hachimanayy
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21:35.16XhoDrom: So I decided to take a look at this site
21:35.23XhoThere's a lot of penises on show
21:35.33dromYeah. They are funny though.
21:38.22HachimanXho: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10272577_968059819938551_317161271212551572_o.jpg "This show has gotten progressively out of hand. Please send help. New video soon!"
21:38.32Xhooh god
21:38.54dromHachiman Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/penpals.jpg
21:40.33dromHachiman: Hachi.jpg http://media.oglaf.com/comic/troubadour.jpg
21:41.21HachimanBards in D&D
21:41.34HachimanI just realized that Bards are probably great at selling lies to people
21:41.40HachimanIn fact no, they ARE
21:43.52dromHachiman: RNG D&D in a nutshell http://media.oglaf.com/comic/rangerron.jpg
21:45.06dromHachiman Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/acrophobia.jpg
21:45.08Hachimanhur
21:46.47DrodoEmpireSo there are models for GMod now that include a life-size Death Star
21:46.48DrodoEmpirewhy
21:46.53Xhocuz
21:46.55Xhogame crash
21:47.19Hachimanolol
21:51.16dromHachiman: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/naja.jpg
21:54.10dromHachiman Xho: At least I don't have to consider watching porn after a dose of Oglaf.
21:55.24ImpyDroidSo I went to a normie shindig
21:55.34ImpyDroidI was told there would be strippere
21:55.42XhoDrom: Jesus
21:55.48ImpyDroidOnly later did I realize these would be MALE strippers
21:56.08dromImpyDroid Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/newmodelarmy1.jpg
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21:56.38HachimanTrying to watch a stream while Google Chrome decides to be a fucktard
21:56.46XhoImpyDroid: You are now man
21:57.03ImpyDroidHachiman: So I went to a normie shindig, I was told there would be strippers
21:57.20ImpyDroidOnly when I came there did I realize these were MALE strippers
21:57.41HachimanMY OILED ABS QUIVER
21:57.56dromHachiman: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/newmodelarmy1.jpg
21:58.35Hachimanhur
21:58.38HachimanFair point though
21:58.48HachimanI remember that there were some armies that historically considered that logic
21:59.02dromHachiman Xho: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/hotbuttons1.jpg
21:59.03DrodoEmpireRight, that became the norm after gunpowder became widely-used
21:59.10DrodoEmpireWell, more specifically;
21:59.12ImpyDroidHachiman: Picts
21:59.22DrodoEmpireAfter firearms became powerful enough to penetrate most plate
21:59.23dromBut then the body armour came back, in form of kevlar vests
22:00.02DrodoEmpireRIght, but the ballistics of modern firearms are *very* different to muskets or even earlier rifles, and we of course have far more advanced materials. :p
22:00.49dromhttp://media.oglaf.com/comic/razzledazzle.jpg
22:00.49Hachimaninb4 Mannazian warriors used to march naked against Alhassan soldiers
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22:08.09dromHachiman Xho: When you get the opposite rolls http://media.oglaf.com/comic/ron.jpg
22:08.52Hachimanhur
22:09.14HachimanAndroImp: inb4 Mannazian warriors used to march naked against Alhassan soldiers
22:10.07AndroImpAlhassan - TOO MUCH HARAM      CANNOT REMOVE
22:10.52dromhttp://media.oglaf.com/comic/enlist.jpg
22:12.58Hachimanhur
22:16.08dromAlright I'm going to need some bleach
22:16.15dromTo clean my browser history
22:18.47Wormy__I'm having a horrid problem with my 3D textures.
22:19.19Wormy__In viewport, I've got my model textured as I wanted it.  In render view, it's all very different and broken.
22:19.47Wormy__I hate hate hate UV texturing
22:22.25dromHachi.jpg http://media.oglaf.com/comic/curseemporium.jpg
22:24.28HachimanAye
22:24.37dromXho Hachiman: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/bascinet.jpg
22:27.15dromhttp://media.oglaf.com/comic/rift_of_despair.jpg
22:41.45dromhttp://satwcomic.com/art/some-are-more-hospitable-than-others.png
22:43.32HachimanJesus
22:44.38dromFaroae Island's attitude is because of the much harsher natural conditions compared to Australia.
22:45.18dromWinds so strong, that you cannot escape the high doses of ocean salt showering you, daily.
22:45.55dromDoesn't matter if you live far enough off the coast, they find you and salt you.
22:51.41AndroImpHachiman: I can imagine pre-Imperial humans having a Dark Age-like culture
22:51.45AndroImpDark Ages even
22:52.04AndroImpYou know, warbands, tiny forts, monasteries, Beowulf
22:52.10HachimanYeah
22:52.26HachimanThat makes a fair amount of sense
22:53.08HachimanI can imagine there are various Mannazian sub-cultures based on geography and whatnot
22:53.57AndroImpLike actual Germany hur
22:54.12AndroImpActually there ought to be more diversity to Mannazia culture-wise
22:54.30AndroImpLike not only Germanic stuff
22:54.36HachimanWell of course
22:55.01HachimanViking, Germanic, possibly Frankish, Anglo-Saxon
22:57.17AndroImp...You do realize these are all Germanic hur
22:57.29AndroImpBut yeah I see your point
22:57.43HachimanFuck hur
22:57.49HachimanWhat would you suggest?
22:59.23AndroImpWell we did bring up the picts
22:59.26AndroImp*Picts
22:59.33AndroImpSo Celtic influences
22:59.48HachimanAh yeah, the Celts of course
22:59.58HachimanCould have borrowed from the Aos'marans or vice vera
22:59.59Hachimanversa
23:00.07AndroImpdrom Hachiman: http://cs6.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-04_3/13973567293168.png Holy shut that is like the best coat of arms ever
23:00.20HachimanWhat the fuck hur
23:02.19AndroImpHachiman: http://www.dal.by/news/119/28-04-14-21/
23:03.10HachimanThey must really hate that guy
23:03.39AndroImpNot sure who that is
23:03.51AndroImpThis hairstyle is either Turkish or Ukrainian
23:04.57Wormy__It could not be more explicit
23:05.34DrodoEmpireAndroImp: Reminds me of a Cossack hairstyle, I think
23:06.02DrodoEmpireIf the coat of arms is from Eastern Europe (and that sabre makes me think it is), then perhaps that's the explanation?
23:06.09AndroImpDrodoEmpire: That looks like what Zaporozhian Cozzacks wesr
23:06.16AndroImpCossacks wear
23:06.27AndroImpBut why would everyone hate them so much hur
23:06.34AndroImpTurks sure but why Ukrainians
23:06.39DrodoEmpireI mean severed heads appear reasonably often on Coat-of-Arms; In western Europe there is the "Moor's Head" I beliebe
23:06.40DrodoEmpire*eve
23:06.47DrodoEmpireWhich is on the Sardinian coat of arms
23:06.51DrodoEmpireSardinian?
23:06.56DrodoEmpireCorsican
23:07.00DrodoEmpireThat's it
23:08.09DrodoEmpireAndroImp: Well the Cossacks as an ethnic group only *really* emerged in the later middle ages. New ethnic groups arriving or emerging like that tend to stir up trouble at least at first
23:08.33DrodoEmpireI recall the Russian monarchs and the Cossacks had a somewhat-uneasy relationship at times
23:08.39HachimanExcuse my ignorance but I thought the Cossacks were Russian warriors?
23:08.45DrodoEmpireSorta...
23:08.53DrodoEmpireThey're a whole ethnic group really
23:08.59DrodoEmpireThey fought under the Russians often
23:09.07DrodoEmpireBUt they were distinct from the Russian population
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23:09.38Wormy__Search by Google indicates they are from Hungary
23:09.40DrodoEmpireThis is me and my admittedly-limited knowledge of them, but as far as I know that's it
23:09.49AndroImpHachiman: Cossacks are both Russian and Ukrainian
23:09.51Wormy__https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HUN_Hajd%C3%BAn%C3%A1n%C3%A1s.C%C3%ADmer.svg
23:10.21AndroImpThough Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks were different, but then again the line between Russians and Ukrainians was thin back then
23:11.03AndroImpUkraine had the Zaporizhian Cossacks, who were river pirates/raiders who spent most of their life fighting Turks
23:11.17DrodoEmpireRight
23:11.21AndroImpThey had a fairly strong democratic system strangely enougg
23:11.24AndroImp*enough
23:11.42AndroImpWhich is why Russians hated them but had to rely on them for border defense
23:12.00HachimanFor the longest time I thought Cossacks were like the Russian answer to Samurai or something
23:12.07AndroImpRussian Cossacks were colonists, they settled the Siberian frontier
23:12.08HachimanI know very little about Russia hur
23:12.16AndroImpSort of like ehhh
23:12.22Wormy__I think the head may represent a Tatar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:22._Kozak_z_golovoju_tatarina.jpg
23:12.24AndroImpRussian cowboys/settlers
23:12.45AndroImpYeah cowboys is a good comparison
23:13.54DrodoEmpireWormy__: Possibly. Aren't Tatars the descendents of Mongol colonists in around the Russian/Ukrainian area?
23:13.56DrodoEmpireI'm not sure
23:14.06Wormy__I think they might
23:14.16HachimanNobody liked Tatars it semes
23:14.17Hachimanseems
23:14.20DrodoEmpireWell
23:14.22AndroImpDrodoEmpire: Sort of
23:14.24DrodoEmpireNobody liked Mongols
23:14.35HachimanTrue
23:14.35Wormy__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
23:14.51Wormy__Subsumed into the Mongol Empire very early on
23:14.57DrodoEmpireAhh
23:14.57AndroImpThey were local Turkic peoples, mostly those of the Volgan Bulgaria, who were attacked and absorbed by Mpngols
23:14.59AndroImp*Mo
23:15.00DrodoEmpireA Turkic people
23:15.05DrodoEmpireRight
23:15.05AndroImpYeah they are Turkic
23:15.09DrodoEmpireInteresting stuff
23:15.11AndroImpThey do not look Mongol
23:15.18DrodoEmpireRight
23:15.26AndroImpAnd we actually like Tatars sort of
23:15.34AndroImpThey are like the best Muslims ever
23:15.47AndroImpAlmost impossible to explode
23:15.50DrodoEmpirehur
23:16.25DrodoEmpireI understand the Mongols had a policy of tolerating local religions, even converting to the local faith
23:16.34AndroImpTatars was actually somewhat of an umbrella term but nowadays it is only used for Crimea Tatars and the Kazan Tatars
23:16.40DrodoEmpireWould it be then that the Tatars inherited that trait?
23:16.45DrodoEmpireRight
23:17.01AndroImpDrodoEmpire: Yeah sort of
23:17.09DrodoEmpireRight
23:17.30AndroImpTatars were actually a pretty civilized people before the Mongols attacjed
23:17.38AndroImpMore civilized than Russians actually
23:17.42AndroImpI think
23:17.45AndroImpOr as civilized
23:18.00DrodoEmpireWell how do you mean by civilized? More wealthy and refined generally speaking?
23:18.21AndroImpYeah pretty much
23:18.26DrodoEmpireRight
23:18.32AndroImpHachiman: http://indragop.org.ua/na_holovnu/kozak.jpg Zaporizhian Cossack
23:19.01HachimanBadass hur
23:19.18DrodoEmpireYeah Cossacks are pretty kickass
23:19.20AndroImpYOU DARE SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT UKRAINE
23:19.30Wormy__If there are Amerikantsy in Russia, I wonder how many English live there
23:19.30AndroImpYOU THREATEN RUSSIAN MINORITIES
23:19.34AndroImpINVAAAAADE
23:19.35DrodoEmpireActually one minute
23:19.51AndroImphttp://cyrillitsa.ru/uploads/posts/2012-07/1341918715_50.jpg And that is a Russian Cossacks
23:20.07Wormy__Enough Americans to be considered an ethnic group
23:20.27DrodoEmpirehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks - In case you needed any more confirmation that the Cossacks are badass
23:20.27HachimanI prefer the Zaporizhian hur
23:20.29AndroImphttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA_1916.jpg/260px-%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA_1916.jpg
23:20.33Wormy__"Anglichane"
23:20.53Wormy__There you have it
23:21.01AndroImpDrodoEmpire: Oh god does this page have the actual text of the message
23:21.08DrodoEmpireThey told the *Sultan of the Ottoman Empire* to "fuck (their) mother"
23:21.09DrodoEmpireYes.
23:21.19DrodoEmpireTranslated, but yes
23:21.38Hachiman"O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother."
23:21.39HachimanOh God
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23:22.01MonetHello
23:22.23Wormy__hi and hi
23:22.24DrodoEmpireKeep in mind at this point the Ottoman Empire was one of, if not *the most* powerful country at the time
23:22.24Hachiman> and the crick in our dick
23:22.27HachimanHoly fuck Cossacks
23:22.36AndroImpIt actually sounds even better in Russian or Ukrainian
23:22.41HachimanThis is why I prefer the Zaporizhian hur
23:23.19AndroImpI actually thought of making Zaporozhian Cossacks-ish guys for the Empire, except naval
23:23.40HachimanWhy not just make an actual Fantasy Russia for Fantasyverse
23:24.04HachimanFantasy Vostroyan Firstborn yeh
23:24.40AndroImpSaphronia was originally intended to be sort of Slavic but then I decided not to
23:24.47AndroImpIt has a few Russian elements tho
23:25.00AndroImpIt is like Russia-Sweden-Finland
23:25.05AndroImp-Poland
23:25.11HachimanBut Saphronia is not badass hur
23:25.20MonetOne of the things about Russia IIRC is it was quite expansive.
23:27.25MonetSO I guess it depends on what period of Russian history.
23:27.43HachimanSaphronia is not badass because it is ruled by Slavs
23:27.50HachimanAnd Slavs are inexperienced at ruling things
23:27.55DrodoEmpirethatsracist.gif
23:28.41AndroImpDo you see Slavs here tho
23:28.48AndroImpLuxor is not here
23:28.54AndroImpNeither is that 9988 fella
23:29.57MonetHow notable was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
23:30.16Hachimaninb4 the Mannazians want to conquer and rule Saphronia and history repeats itself with Not!Russia being ruled by non-Not!Russian rulers
23:30.49MonetThat is far from exclusive to RUssia lol.
23:31.49DrodoEmpireMonet: Rather significant in its heyday
23:32.02DrodoEmpireTHey fielded the finest cavalry in the world afterall
23:32.31MonetVery true
23:32.48MonetI was curious how prominent a power they were beyond the fame of the Winged Hussars.
23:33.31MonetThough I recall cities like Prague and Warsaw have some beautiful 18th century architecture.
23:34.02Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e0/ZhulultuHeadPainted.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307233316 Well there wego
23:34.56MonetXho: Those green eyes are an excellent touch.
23:35.01Wormy__indeed
23:35.04HachimanThat is very good
23:35.06HachimanPretty nice
23:35.53Wormy__very ominous
23:36.17XhoJust so anyone's curious, 2.78 million polygons now
23:38.11MonetI guess that's for the mottled skin.
23:38.15Wormy__Darwin Award?  http://i.imgur.com/wXYqzig.gif
23:38.52MonetWormy__: Remind me does one have to be dead to accept the award?
23:38.52XhoYeah 1.29 million of it is the head
23:39.00XhoThe remainder are the eyes
23:39.05Wormy__I believe so
23:39.41Wormy__lets hope those ropes held
23:39.54MonetWait 1,500,000 polys for the eyes?
23:40.45Wormy__Xho, drom http://i.imgur.com/BZvmrBO.gif
23:40.59XhoMonet: Yeah I thought 'bugger it'
23:41.12MonetI pity your hard drive.
23:42.11MonetUnless Zbrush saves differently to Maya you're looking at a model that's maybe 1.8 GB large at least
23:42.21Monetto Mudbox*
23:43.08Wormy__http://i.imgur.com/CZikWYo.gif
23:43.46Xho852 MB
23:44.31MonetRight.
23:44.39MonetNot so bad then
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23:44.46Wormy__Quite possibly Darwin Award but it looks like the ending is edited http://i.imgur.com/PTS6edP.gif
23:44.50Wormy__hi
23:46.09XhoIt's weird but always like looking at the WIP more than the finished product
23:46.23Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ee/ZhulultuHeadRender.png/revision/latest?cb=20160307193305 That's it unpainted and without eyes
23:46.55Wormy__http://i.imgur.com/FVKIRct.gif
23:47.05XhoThe finished version has a lot more texture to it as well but still
23:49.22MonetThough the detail is clearer on the WIP.
23:49.27Wormy__wrong way m8 http://i.imgur.com/HHMYHIi.gif
23:50.30Xhono dik 4 u
23:50.57Monet*hysterical crying* is hea dead?

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