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| 00:04.07 | Wormy_STO | hi |
| 00:08.19 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 00:08.54 | Cyrannian|Away | Hi |
| 00:10.55 | OluapPlayer | u not away |
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| 00:21.48 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 00:21.51 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 00:21.58 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:23.31 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 00:25.57 | OluapPlayer | u both get ready for gayms tomorrow |
| 00:27.06 | AdmiralPanda | mhm |
| 00:27.08 | AdmiralPanda | reddy |
| 00:27.31 | AdmiralPanda | gonna put my sword in a lot of things and reduce the consistency of everything to a chunky salsa |
| 00:28.24 | OluapPlayer | one of these things being Hachi |
| 00:29.37 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 00:30.12 | AdmiralPanda | ;) |
| 00:42.15 | Cyrannian|Away | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrannian_Republic/Government/Election_of_07_NE - stuff has been done |
| 00:43.17 | OluapPlayer | wher is Gorf |
| 00:44.22 | Cyrannian|Away | apaltar's hat duh |
| 00:44.48 | OluapPlayer | Gorf - no one will ever find me here |
| 01:09.58 | Wormy_STO | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Pink-Moon-589302440 |
| 01:13.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh nice |
| 01:26.41 | ZF101 | Guys, I'm having trouble running Spore. Can any of you help me? |
| 01:27.12 | DrodoEmpire | What's the particular issue? |
| 01:27.50 | ZF101 | I put her own in, press the button, and my drive makes the sound like it's load, starts whirring for a minute or so, then stops, and I get nothing. |
| 01:28.11 | ZF101 | My computer got updated to Windows 10, if that affects anything. |
| 01:28.19 | DrodoEmpire | Right, hm |
| 01:28.29 | DrodoEmpire | Start it by clicking the .exe? |
| 01:30.20 | ZF101 | Yeah. |
| 01:41.51 | ZF101 | Tried it, not working. Same thing. |
| 01:42.03 | DrodoEmpire | Odd |
| 01:42.50 | ZF101 | It used to work just fine. I got off it for a few months, and now I get nothing. |
| 01:44.21 | DrodoEmpire | Hm. |
| 01:45.11 | ZF101 | Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall it. |
| 01:45.22 | ZF101 | I've heard some people have done that. |
| 01:45.48 | Monet | https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TxfBw2bsGF4/Vr6JqmVE0-I/AAAAAAAAC0E/Bl_vp-wKXsE/s1600/MD%2BConcept.png ta-daa |
| 01:46.10 | ZF101 | Incredible. |
| 01:46.29 | DrodoEmpire | That looks so goddamn cool. XD |
| 01:46.41 | DrodoEmpire | I do like the style |
| 01:48.27 | Monet | Thanks. |
| 01:51.47 | Monet | Though I might go back to it one day |
| 01:52.34 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 01:53.41 | Monet | Give me some time with a tablet and I mighgt be able to make a better version in time. |
| 01:56.35 | DrodoEmpire | Okay cool |
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| 03:41.08 | Hellrock | Hello. Apologies if I'm always arriving at a bad time. |
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| 04:38.51 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 04:39.48 | DrodoEmpire | hi |
| 04:41.47 | Vincent20100 | Hey! :) |
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| 05:08.49 | ZF101_ | Hello again. |
| 05:11.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 05:26.36 | Vincent20100 | Working the future chairman of the popular republic :) |
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| 09:26.48 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 09:46.53 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 09:47.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:03.54 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 11:04.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:08.03 | AdmiralPanda | hi dino |
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| 11:15.32 | dino82_ | hmm connection issues haha |
| 11:23.49 | Liquid_Ink | Oh dear |
| 11:23.52 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
| 11:38.03 | dino82_ | I am great! Had a globe throttle week :D Bit tired due to jet leg but great! And you guys? |
| 11:38.08 | dino82_ | Anything going on at the wiki/ |
| 11:38.09 | dino82_ | ? |
| 11:41.32 | Liquid_Ink | Not that I'm aware of.\ |
| 11:42.26 | dino82_ | ah ok |
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| 11:53.31 | Monet | hi |
| 11:54.41 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 11:55.31 | dino82_ | hi |
| 11:56.17 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:56.33 | Ghelae | Oh, I should have said "hi". I broke the chain there. |
| 11:56.47 | OluapPlayer | Shame on you |
| 11:56.50 | AdmiralPanda | why would you do that |
| 11:57.06 | AdmiralPanda | slaps Ghelae with a salted TekDroid |
| 12:00.59 | dino82_ | @Ghel: :P |
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| 13:02.15 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:02.27 | dino82_ | HI |
| 13:05.54 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 13:08.50 | dino82_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Fury_of_Galvarus new story begun! |
| 13:08.59 | Hachiman | Oh cool |
| 13:10.47 | dino82_ | Thanks :D |
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| 13:31.06 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:31.29 | Hachiman | Fucking cyclists |
| 13:31.41 | Hachiman | Hi Wormy |
| 13:32.42 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 13:33.35 | Wormy_ | boo police state no fun http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/with-finger-trigger-officer-tells-10195786#ICID=sharebar_facebook |
| 13:33.48 | Wormy_ | allowed |
| 13:35.29 | Hachiman | That fucking Sub-Zero |
| 13:38.18 | Wormy_ | Sub-Zero might be Welsh |
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| 13:42.56 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 13:43.47 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 14:07.15 | Monet | hi |
| 14:07.30 | Ghelae | hi |
| 14:07.55 | Monet | I think I've worked out a possible motto/quote about Project Luminance |
| 14:09.12 | Monet | "No technological device is innately evil or immoral. It is the application that determines such" |
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| 14:54.34 | Cyrannian | ello ello |
| 14:55.22 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:55.25 | OluapPlayer | ~crush Cyrannian |
| 14:55.27 | infobot | ACTION crushes Cyrannian with a full height scsi disk |
| 14:55.34 | Cyrannian | ~swat OluapPlayer |
| 14:55.34 | infobot | ACTION swats OluapPlayer with a OluapPlayer swatter |
| 15:19.24 | Hachiman | Wormy_: No Cornish pasties in my local Morrisons today |
| 15:19.27 | Hachiman | Consider me mad |
| 15:20.09 | Wormy_ | Wow, Morrisons is struggling more than I thought. |
| 15:21.20 | Wormy_ | I was disappointed when the nice vegetables and fruits they used to put out disappeared and were replaced with the mundane ones. |
| 15:21.53 | Hachiman | Belgian buns are fucking mediocre now as well |
| 15:22.05 | Hachiman | They look nowhere near as appetizing as they did years ago |
| 15:22.12 | Hachiman | They look very sloppily made |
| 15:22.25 | Monet | Wormy_: Define nice and mundane |
| 15:23.04 | Monet | Apologies, I've been hearing a lot of how supermarkets tend to dump a *lot* of fruit and veg because it is sligtly 'off' by some aesthetic standards. |
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| 15:24.09 | Monet | Potatoes too small/lumpy-looking, carrots slightly more crooked than the norm, cauliflower too small etc |
| 15:24.15 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:24.23 | Xho | Talking about vegetables |
| 15:24.31 | Xho | Guess we've had weirder things to walk in on |
| 15:24.54 | Monet | I once tried a pear that I was told had been rejected by a supermarket, didn't know what the issue was with it. |
| 15:25.33 | Monet | Xho: At least we're not using vegetables as innuendoes this time. |
| 15:25.49 | Xho | Don't worry, it will devolve into that eventually |
| 15:25.49 | Hachiman | One thing about my local Morrisons is that food like that is given to local homeless people who do not cause a disruption rather than being dumped |
| 15:27.24 | Monet | Yeah I believe Morrisons works towards a 'good guy supermarket' image. |
| 15:28.03 | Wormy_ | Monet: Well there's that. But also the vegetables that are always available. The Morrisons in my town used to have an assortment of *unusual* fruit and veg, or rare varieties of such. |
| 15:28.10 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | Wormy_ | And they were steamed to keep fresh |
| 15:28.46 | Wormy_ | All of that disappeared, and so did all the old market-town aesthetic |
| 15:29.30 | Wormy_ | I believe it is because Morrisons is losing to competition with B&M Bargains, and are also closing around the country. |
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| 15:30.28 | Monet | Never heard of them. |
| 15:31.20 | Wormy_ | And yes its disgusting that veg that do not reach the aesthetic standards are sent back to farmers, to waste. Those Tyrrels crisps were founded as a campaign against that |
| 15:31.45 | Wormy_ | And also vegetables are not as tasty as they used to be |
| 15:32.12 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 15:32.16 | Xho | u |
| 15:32.25 | Wormy_ | They have been bred to grow big or to be productive, but many people remember they used to taste better |
| 15:32.39 | Wormy_ | old breeds not used etc. |
| 15:32.48 | Wormy_ | *cultivars |
| 15:33.10 | Xho | Cyrannian Monet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid-Cyrannus_Cold_War Kicath - WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING |
| 15:33.28 | Wormy_ | B&M Bargains are like a giant Aldis |
| 15:33.43 | Hachiman | Oh God |
| 15:34.02 | Wormy_ | you can get tins and jars of food twice the size of the ones you can get Morrisons, but cheaper |
| 15:34.14 | Hachiman | So the PAE and the GEC are going to war |
| 15:34.43 | Hachiman | I say PAE because I find it very likely that due to their position, the Imperium will want its allies and protectorates for assistance |
| 15:35.06 | Monet | Hachiman: Cold war. Were they to declare war o neach other there might nto be much of a gigaquadrant left by the end of it. |
| 15:35.25 | Hachiman | What's the difference between a hot war and a cold war? |
| 15:35.54 | Xho | A death toll |
| 15:36.08 | Wormy_ | Hachiman, Xho, Monet: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/face-bm-bargains-poo-suspect-5870528 |
| 15:36.15 | Monet | In a cold war the fighting is never betwee ntow powers directly. |
| 15:36.17 | OluapPlayer | Borealis - fuckin good luck with that |
| 15:37.06 | Monet | Americans never officially killed any Russians in Vietnam and no American soldiers were deployed to fight Russians in Afghanistan. |
| 15:37.24 | Monet | That's pretty-mcuh what's happening here. |
| 15:37.32 | Cyrannian | That was surprising, I thought it was going to be a subpage of the CCW? I don't think I'll have time to work on another Gigaquadrantic confrontation hur |
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| 15:37.40 | Spu | agh |
| 15:37.42 | Hachiman | Tyraz would be disappointed to say the least |
| 15:37.46 | Spu | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4J5OKhPueM th0ll |
| 15:38.09 | Hachiman | Have not listened to Periphery in a while |
| 15:38.25 | Spu | They went full Meshuggah with this track |
| 15:39.00 | Monet | Cyrannian: Well historically the DI-C CW possibly began before the first skirmishes of the CCW |
| 15:39.46 | Monet | As stuff like GITO's formation ahppened in 2793 and the breakoff of relations because of the GXS happened in 2800-2802. |
| 15:42.15 | Monet | Cyrannian: We could still merge the two conflicts perhaps. |
| 15:42.21 | Cyrannian | I suppose |
| 15:42.55 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrannian_Republic/Government/Election_of_07_NE - c dis errbody |
| 15:43.18 | OluapPlayer | wher is gorf² |
| 15:44.31 | Hachiman | Ech I dunno who I agree with more out of Valkistair and Raesa |
| 15:45.27 | Spu | I'd personally go for Raesa |
| 15:46.01 | Monet | By the looks of it, where they are most distinct is how they want to deal with the Empire |
| 15:46.43 | Cyrannian | xho goes for peace lady i call shenanigans |
| 15:47.16 | Spu | PEACE IS IRRELEVANT OBLIVION IS INDISCRIMINATE |
| 15:47.18 | Spu | dere balanced out |
| 15:47.55 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ed/SenatorAshariaIessari.png/revision/latest?cb=20160213004658 - Poor Asari lady dropped out |
| 15:48.11 | Hachiman | I sympathize with Valkistair's anti-Imperial policies and the idea of the NCR not tolerating the Empire's position in Cyrannus yet I also like the idea of the NCR restoring the Cyrandia Alliance |
| 15:48.34 | Spu | AVE CAESAR |
| 15:49.10 | OluapPlayer | fukin tumour-hed |
| 15:49.51 | Cyrannian | I think Apollo would be neutral, despite his "yey fuk yeh diplomacy" attitude, he was first introduced as the moderate candidate, rather than the entirely diplomatic one, during the 1st CSA election back in the day |
| 15:50.06 | Spu | Capricorn Sector Alliance |
| 15:50.09 | Spu | muh nostalgia |
| 15:50.43 | Spu | You know I'm not even sure where the 'muh' thing came from |
| 15:50.47 | Spu | Even though I've seen it everywhere |
| 15:51.00 | OluapPlayer | No one is |
| 15:51.15 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Fleur_Inviere - Does anyone remember when this one was President? |
| 15:51.23 | Spu | yup |
| 15:51.26 | Hachiman | Barely |
| 15:51.58 | OluapPlayer | That was before I rejoined |
| 15:52.00 | Hachiman | As much as I want to support Valkistair, I have a feeling that things might go drastically down the shitter if he gets into power |
| 15:52.26 | Hachiman | But then Raesa is pro-Imperial and thus a filthy coward hur |
| 15:52.44 | OluapPlayer | More like pro-"don't fucking destroy us please" |
| 15:52.50 | Cyrannian | aye |
| 15:53.08 | OluapPlayer | I think I rejoined at the end of the first year of the Great Cyrannus War |
| 15:53.16 | OluapPlayer | Anything before that I have no knowledge of |
| 15:53.36 | Cyrannian | No, I'm pretty sure you rejoined before the GCW started |
| 15:53.40 | Spu | u missed xhodocto shenanigans |
| 15:53.58 | Cyrannian | I think you came back in December 2010, while the GCW started the following January |
| 15:54.05 | OluapPlayer | I'm not sure, my memory is hazy |
| 15:54.08 | OluapPlayer | The Intergalactic War was definitely over |
| 15:54.21 | OluapPlayer | And the URC definitely existed |
| 15:54.28 | Cyrannian | i remember because oluap fanboy |
| 15:54.38 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 15:54.45 | Cyrannian | The URC was around until November 2011 |
| 15:55.16 | Cyrannian | Jaysus five years |
| 15:55.41 | OluapPlayer | Actually you might be right. We introduced Mar-Júun in Year 2, and him existing meant the Fog War was already over |
| 15:57.18 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Cyrannus_War?direction=next&oldid=345576 - Ugh such cringe |
| 15:57.42 | Spu | TOO MUCH LEL |
| 15:57.50 | Cyrannian | Randomly slipping into Troy McClure |
| 15:58.10 | OluapPlayer | There's no cringe there tho |
| 15:58.15 | OluapPlayer | That looks completely standard |
| 15:58.32 | Wormy_ | Well, I wonder what fiction I should work on today? |
| 15:58.53 | OluapPlayer | Lefts of Mars |
| 15:59.28 | Wormy_ | I don't know that one! |
| 15:59.50 | Ghelae | Downs of Venus. Ups of Mercury. |
| 16:00.10 | OluapPlayer | 4 directions, 4 rocky planets. Fits well enough |
| 16:01.09 | Wormy_ | Out of Uranus |
| 16:01.26 | Hachiman | Ins of Saturn |
| 16:01.34 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20110115.html.gz - c you were active when I started it |
| 16:02.00 | OluapPlayer | >The_AC |
| 16:02.02 | OluapPlayer | must die |
| 16:02.26 | OluapPlayer | >*sets Lezia's house on fire* Booyah! |
| 16:02.29 | OluapPlayer | Okay that can survive |
| 16:02.38 | Cyrannian | 16:08.40 Um2 I wish Mushrum came back fully. I love the CoreFed. 16:09.23OluapPlayerHe seen to be a nice guy 16:09.44Um2He really is, he is very easy to like. - I seriously hope this was all sarcasm |
| 16:02.50 | Hachiman | Oh God |
| 16:02.52 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.55 | OluapPlayer | We didn't know any better back then |
| 16:02.56 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.25 | Hachiman | This during the time where Alan the Viking was still a thing |
| 16:03.28 | OluapPlayer | Ghelae talking "like this!" looks strange |
| 16:03.31 | Spu | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Voidwalker_Conflict go nuts |
| 16:03.33 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid-Cyrannus_Cold_War There's some context now. |
| 16:03.33 | Cyrannian | I assume that was me feeling bad for him after his illness |
| 16:03.38 | OluapPlayer | STORY |
| 16:03.45 | Cyrannian | Checking both out now |
| 16:03.52 | Wormy_ | Also, haven't seen Imperios talk about "Vehendospode" n a long time |
| 16:07.34 | Monet | Xho: "No technological device is innately evil or immoral. It is the application that determines such" I'm thinking this is the mentality of at least some on the PAE side. |
| 16:08.41 | Spu | Xhodocto - dunt u know it boyo |
| 16:10.30 | Wormy_ | The USSR wanted to paint a positive image of nuclear bombs with this mentality, using them to construct *water* reservoirs! |
| 16:11.19 | Spu | I need to get to work on a navbox |
| 16:12.01 | OluapPlayer | need to git to work on fantasy stories dats wat |
| 16:13.37 | OluapPlayer | Spu Hachiman: You both need to decide what chars you're gonna use for the Vargash plot so we can get started with that |
| 16:13.39 | Spu | its ur story dum dum dum dum dum |
| 16:13.44 | Spu | Hm |
| 16:14.04 | Spu | Which characters do you think I should use |
| 16:14.10 | Monet | BTW can anyone give me information/opinions from their fictions for the section "External Reaction"? |
| 16:14.23 | OluapPlayer | Uh, I wouldn't know |
| 16:14.28 | OluapPlayer | They're your characters not mine |
| 16:14.32 | OluapPlayer | Use whatever you want |
| 16:14.34 | Hachiman | Ones good at fighting Lympharians |
| 16:15.50 | Hachiman | I am torn between using either Kanna or Alfgund because I wanna use less characters this time around; Kanna because he has history with the Lympharians or Alfgund because logically he would be best for combating them |
| 16:16.01 | Hachiman | Khadya, Hathgar, and Eirik are confirmed |
| 16:16.03 | Wormy_ | So much to do, and choose from http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Fiction_and_things_to_do#Fiction |
| 16:16.57 | Cyrannian | Very impressive use of research, Monet |
| 16:18.29 | OluapPlayer | I don't care what you use as long as you collaborate |
| 16:18.38 | OluapPlayer | When I'm the head of the fiction, you're silent to absent |
| 16:18.51 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: Cyrannian Cold War pl0x |
| 16:19.06 | Wormy_ | I'll chat to you about it now |
| 16:19.19 | Cyrannian | yey |
| 16:20.19 | Monet | Cyrannian: Thanks. I loved writing up about the possible paranoia that coudl come fro mthis conflict. |
| 16:20.53 | Monet | Who knows who'll be backed next by either of the imperialist lizards. |
| 16:23.41 | Cyrannian | The only thing I would mention would be the economic aspect--the Empire trades entirely within itself and wouldn't be fazed by economic sanctions, unless you mean that the conflict was symbolic |
| 16:26.11 | Monet | So if it has no interest in external trade, what was happening with the UTU? |
| 16:26.41 | Spu | Not so universal then |
| 16:27.44 | Monet | The alternative could be the DI was the one more interested in external trade as a way to compete against the Empire's military extent. |
| 16:27.50 | Spu | OluapPlayer: I'm gonna use Khaadun and Pelagrios |
| 16:28.03 | OluapPlayer | What about the rest? |
| 16:29.12 | Cyrannian | That's sort of in flux. When I first revived the UTU with Ghel, the Empire was in it by default as the successor to the URC. When the MCA was formed and the UTU was updated again, I removed them from it and added the NCR. This was either a retcon in which they never joined (the option which makes more sense) or that they left around the time of the NCR's |
| 16:29.12 | Cyrannian | formation |
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| 16:29.24 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 16:29.37 | OluapPlayer | rusk |
| 16:29.43 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 16:29.51 | Monet | hi |
| 16:30.42 | ImpyDroid | braz |
| 16:31.08 | OluapPlayer | You need to choose what chars you're gonna use on the Lympharian story so we can get that started |
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| 16:32.45 | Monet | Cyrannian: Okay I think I have something of an idea for a retweak: The DI, France and TIAF could have formed GITO as a way of extending influence that relied more on the states' economic strength, which as free market globalist capitalist states they had a very strong ability to do. |
| 16:32.50 | Spu | OluapPlayer: Meh better off with less characters |
| 16:33.14 | OluapPlayer | You'll need a reason for the others to ignore Vargash's servants going off their business |
| 16:33.42 | Spu | Well the only reason I have is that I don't want to use more than two characters |
| 16:33.51 | Monet | Sure the Empire is immensel wealthy for its internal economy, but GITO gives its members an advantage by tapping into the wealth of other nations |
| 16:34.21 | OluapPlayer | Not very helpful |
| 16:34.48 | Spu | well i dunt hav any excuses so eat a cactus |
| 16:34.49 | Spu | pls |
| 16:35.03 | OluapPlayer | Alright then |
| 16:35.06 | OluapPlayer | Forget about it |
| 16:35.15 | Spu | What |
| 16:35.46 | Spu | Just because I can't think of an excuse to use less characters you're gonna just say 'Forget about it' |
| 16:35.58 | Spu | If I don't want to use every character I've got, that's that |
| 16:36.00 | Spu | Plain and simple |
| 16:36.16 | OluapPlayer | I would rather not have the story have plot holes before it even starts |
| 16:37.07 | Spu | Well they're all at Dar-Nahalant so they're just preparing for other things I guess |
| 16:37.08 | Spu | I dunno |
| 16:37.44 | Spu | I'm not gonna use six characters all at once, that's nuts |
| 16:37.55 | Cyrannian | I'm not sure if this conflict should extend beyond the DI, for example, the Empire did not annex RN and the ULE in order to hurt the DI. |
| 16:38.20 | Spu | Well more like nine or ten but still |
| 16:39.36 | Monet | Cyrannian: True, but it could have been seen as a positive side effect. |
| 16:40.55 | Monet | One of the major byproducts of internaitonal trade is that nation B begins to adopt not only nation A's fashion or culinary habits, but also its cultural mannerisms. |
| 16:42.32 | Cyrannian | Potentially, though the reason why I expected this to be a subpage of the CCW, or the Integalactic Cold War as it is sometimes called, was because the Empire is now solely focused on damaging the existential threat posed by the Republic, other concerns are considered secondary and almost always within the context of their conflict with the NCR |
| 16:44.20 | Monet | I was going to include mention of the Republic as a major, perhaps leading, element in later sections. |
| 16:45.04 | Wormy_ | We should make stereotype maps of the SporeWikiverse |
| 16:45.33 | Wormy_ | GXS era DCP: TIAF, DI and other Xonexi powers all "France" |
| 16:45.36 | Spu | "Crazy" |
| 16:46.22 | Monet | Cyrannian: I'm quite happy to rename this to the Intergalactic Cold War but you seemed insistent that it was more suited to being an alternate name for the CCW |
| 16:46.42 | TekDroid | All hail our French overlords. |
| 16:48.19 | Cyrannian | My expectation was that the "Cyrannian Cold War" would be synonymous with the "Intergalactic Cold War", of which the Andromedan subpage would involve the Empire's fraught relations with the DI, particularly involving the Vartekians |
| 16:54.19 | Wormy_ | May I offer a reason for Monet's page not to be a subpage of CCW? |
| 16:55.36 | Cyrannian | Aye (I'm not opposed to it not being a subpage by the way, I just wasn't expecting it to be a separate fiction) |
| 16:56.29 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Raesa - Potential President the Second |
| 16:56.33 | Wormy_ | One positive result is that it extends the influence of what happens in Cyrannus to fictions in other galaxies, which acts like an echo chamber |
| 16:57.31 | Wormy_ | Then you get loads of fictional events forming as a consequence of CCW |
| 16:57.40 | Spu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.52 | Cyrannian | That's true, though the Cyrannian Cold War is already not limited to Cyrannus. It involves every galaxy in which the Empire and the Republic co-exist |
| 16:58.48 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: You there? |
| 16:59.23 | Monet | But aside form Borealis and the Quadrants that's not been entirely reflective of what er've seen. |
| 17:00.08 | Spu | I really need to update Tau's model |
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| 17:02.46 | Cyrannian | Yes, but that's because only four CCW subpages have been completed. Out-of-universe I'm beginning to become overstretched with different ongoing fictions. |
| 17:15.39 | Monet | Right. |
| 17:16.26 | Monet | MAybe combining this stor and the CCW might lighten the load, given that, so far what's been worked out has already happened historically. |
| 17:17.01 | Monet | And the NCR an DI work together against the GEC anyway. |
| 17:18.43 | drom | rawrh |
| 17:18.53 | drom | long time no talk |
| 17:19.20 | Cyrannian | Aye that might be for the best |
| 17:20.39 | Cyrannian | What is that love smiley face called? |
| 17:20.55 | OluapPlayer | Love Relation.png |
| 17:23.27 | drom | Spu: "In Favour of Destruction" - is the category where particiants favors the destruction of the Voidwalker? |
| 17:23.50 | Spu | sà |
| 17:27.17 | drom | Monet: "Sometimes mods is a mistake" http://i.imgur.com/HyxXeop.jpg |
| 17:34.22 | drom | Hell. How would NS do in this situation? I think they would capture the voidwalker and disassemble it into smaller pieces. |
| 17:35.29 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Not atm |
| 17:36.48 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Dan%C3%A9_Elenya - Finally finished this page |
| 17:37.38 | OluapPlayer | Apollo - expand raptor |
| 17:39.33 | Cyrannian | Gianne's Vengeful Ghost - not if I can help it |
| 17:40.33 | OluapPlayer | The real reason why Anteddy hasn't killed Apollo yet is bcause Gianne would haunt him next |
| 17:40.36 | OluapPlayer | because* |
| 17:40.47 | Cyrannian | canon confirmed |
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| 18:09.35 | Spu | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/51/AgentTau2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160213180828 Tau looking futuristic and stuff |
| 18:11.56 | Monet | That's quite a shiny upgrade |
| 18:12.23 | Spu | I thought I'd give Tau light armour instead of the general Agent armour |
| 18:12.32 | Spu | That is to say it doesn't really offer any less protection |
| 18:13.03 | Hachiman | Pretty nice |
| 18:14.20 | Spu | inb4 Hachi's dong expands at sight of tight-fitted Kicathian female |
| 18:14.45 | Hachiman | hur |
| 18:14.52 | Spu | Can you even get dong expansion towards androids/cyborgs/whatever the hell an Agent is |
| 18:15.00 | Hachiman | Possibly |
| 18:15.05 | Hachiman | I mean they still have curvature |
| 18:15.42 | Hachiman | So apparently an African baboon in a zoo in Zagazig, Lower Egypt, has had its feet eaten while still alive by other baboons in its enclosure and has since been isolated |
| 18:16.26 | OluapPlayer | Well okay then |
| 18:17.19 | Spu | Zagazig well den |
| 18:24.51 | Spu | Okay now I'm bored |
| 18:28.57 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: I think I'm going to work on the Great Expedition today |
| 18:30.50 | Wormy_ | The bit where they visit Anromeda |
| 18:31.32 | Ghelae | All right. |
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| 18:34.23 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: The SSA fleet will encounter something like this https://youtu.be/JNKg3eA2ReU?t=3m35s |
| 18:36.31 | Ghelae | SSA - its a spinny glowy cube ok done here lets go to tigris |
| 18:37.06 | Wormy_ | SSA - Oh shi its following us |
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| 18:57.11 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 18:57.16 | Hachiman | Are you there? |
| 18:57.41 | ImpyDroid | This time yes |
| 18:57.48 | ImpyDroid | What happened? |
| 18:59.10 | Hachiman | Oh nothing |
| 18:59.25 | Hachiman | Oluap wanted to know what characters you had in mind for using for his new Lympharian-oriented fiction |
| 18:59.44 | OluapPlayer | Don't push it |
| 19:00.12 | Hachiman | He didn't respond last time so I figured I may as well ask now |
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| 19:04.00 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 19:05.01 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:05.39 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:11.30 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Not sure yet, but might seem like the job for Javina or perhaps a new Freeland character |
| 19:11.57 | OluapPlayer | You have time to decide since I don't know when or if I'm doing this story |
| 19:12.19 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: So today I found out one thing that might redeem the Japanese a little for you |
| 19:12.26 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 19:12.48 | ImpyDroid | Judging by my relatively nerdy Japanese friend, Deadpool is not popular or well-known there |
| 19:13.20 | ImpyDroid | We brought him to the movie, he did not even know who Deadpool was |
| 19:13.20 | Hachiman | Any particular reason other than Deadpool being a character from American media? |
| 19:14.03 | Hachiman | What did your friend think of Deadpool? |
| 19:14.11 | ImpyDroid | He liked the movie |
| 19:14.23 | ImpyDroid | But when he first saw it he thought it was about Spider-Man hur |
| 19:15.19 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:15.39 | Hachiman | Funny because Deadpool constantly insists that Spider-Man stole his aesthetic |
| 19:15.48 | ImpyDroid | I presume the character's personality does not ring well with the Japanese audience |
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| 19:19.57 | Hachiman | Probably, although I am unsure |
| 19:20.12 | Hachiman | There are reasons for Deadpool to be liked and disliked I suppose by the Japanese audience |
| 19:20.32 | Hachiman | Maybe they just find him as insufferable as I do |
| 19:21.23 | Monet | I read somewhere that the Japanese (older ones at least) hate Bart Simpson. |
| 19:22.27 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 19:25.04 | AndroImp | Pretty much that |
| 19:25.15 | AndroImp | It is *Japan* |
| 19:25.29 | AndroImp | They do not like brats hur |
| 19:25.36 | AndroImp | Also |
| 19:25.47 | AndroImp | Colossus has a very weird speech pattern |
| 19:25.54 | AndroImp | In the movie at least |
| 19:26.07 | Hachiman | I do not know much about Colossus |
| 19:26.09 | AndroImp | Like rural or something |
| 19:26.19 | Monet | America's like that with Russians. |
| 19:26.31 | AndroImp | No I mean he spoke normal but weirdly |
| 19:27.07 | AndroImp | A bit old-fashioned, rustic, a bit slow, like he is from a Siberian village or something |
| 19:27.14 | Monet | Would it help things if backstory wise he grew up on a Soviet collective farm? |
| 19:27.21 | AndroImp | Oh so he is Russian |
| 19:27.30 | Monet | And yes he comes form Siberia. |
| 19:27.40 | AndroImp | Oh wait now I remember |
| 19:28.00 | AndroImp | There was actually a poll by the dubbers about how to translate his Russian accent to Russian |
| 19:28.04 | Hachiman | A+ to the directors for making Colossus ethnically accurate |
| 19:28.12 | AndroImp | More like the dubbers |
| 19:28.51 | Spu | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12743667_213502359001392_3622397657508606342_n.jpg?oh=4bb8c8eeb8b13fa7a55ba328160b463d&oe=572675C1 kitteh |
| 19:29.08 | AndroImp | Keep in mind it is impossible to speak Russian with a Russian accent |
| 19:29.11 | Monet | I think in the English he has what we consider a general Russian accent. |
| 19:29.19 | AndroImp | So I presume his accent was translated that way |
| 19:29.30 | AndroImp | Right |
| 19:29.56 | AndroImp | He actually comes up as a sort of a dim but wise hillbilly guy |
| 19:29.58 | AndroImp | In the dub |
| 19:30.24 | Wormy_ | Interesting discussion here http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-113239.html |
| 19:31.22 | The_Randomness | "The Simpsons live in a two dimensional Universe. Because they have such a large Area to Perimeter ratio. They have never evolved sweating. And thus don't have the custom of laundry. |
| 19:31.24 | The_Randomness | AS I said there Universe is only two dimensional, no time. They only now, no past and no future. And any evidence to the contrary. Is just a figment of Our four dimensional minds." lol |
| 19:34.53 | Wormy_ | Escalated quickly |
| 19:43.00 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/698570759237562368 |
| 19:46.59 | drom | Monet Spu Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/b51BLju.gifv |
| 19:47.59 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/ykaSzQQ.gif |
| 19:48.57 | Wormy_ | The first fox is the cutest one yet |
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| 20:01.44 | Imperios | Monet: I just realised what the Deadpool movie is like: Kingsman |
| 20:15.09 | The_Randomness | I took something for this cold or whatever annoying little bug I have and it feels pretty nice to not feel congested or anything |
| 20:15.30 | Monet | What did you take? |
| 20:15.58 | The_Randomness | Claritin-D, nothing exciting |
| 20:16.07 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 20:16.10 | Hachiman | I need to stock up on that |
| 20:16.25 | The_Randomness | It was only mild congestion, but yeah |
| 20:16.45 | Monet | I've been suffering as well and was recomended inhaling the scent of Eucalyptus oil. |
| 20:17.07 | The_Randomness | interesting |
| 20:17.10 | Hachiman | Just smother it all over your body |
| 20:17.17 | Hachiman | Anyway brb |
| 20:17.19 | The_Randomness | but anyway, time to go make myself lunch now that it's only 2:15 PM |
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| 20:20.04 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.23 | Monet | Less potential side effects. |
| 20:24.26 | The_Randomness | The only issue I've ever had with medication is when I had a small allergic reaction (a small rash) from a sulfide-based medication I took for pink eye, but that's pretty common for that |
| 20:25.05 | Monet | And stuff like eucalyptus and echinacea possibly boos the immune system |
| 20:25.59 | Monet | I'm happy to have my symptomss alleviated but I'd prefer it if the alleviation did more than simply stop what might jut be my body's attemtps to fight back. |
| 20:28.34 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.46 | Hachiman | Monet the Drug Abuser |
| 20:29.29 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.49 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.04 | Hachiman | And then you learned the secrets of kung fu |
| 20:32.05 | The_Randomness | I'm extremely skeptical, if not outright dismissive of "alternative medicine" |
| 20:32.17 | Imperios | Oriental medicine suuuuucks |
| 20:32.18 | The_Randomness | Because most of the time it's either quackery or poorly understood |
| 20:32.20 | Imperios | It suuuuuucks |
| 20:32.20 | Monet | Not quite lol but it might partially explain my interest in buddhism. |
| 20:32.34 | Imperios | There's a reason Asians are all doctors |
| 20:32.42 | Imperios | They understand their own medicine suuuuuuuuuuuucks |
| 20:32.51 | Monet | The_Randomness: All hail the placebo. |
| 20:32.58 | The_Randomness | that too |
| 20:33.12 | Imperios | Then again that comes from the person whose parents believe in homeopathy |
| 20:33.16 | Wormy_ | Actually, I do believe the mind can heal the body, through the Placebo effect. I'm surprised homeopathy folks aren't all over "mind over matter" |
| 20:33.21 | Hachiman | I have some interest in alternative medicine since it was the only thing which managed to sooth and alleviate the pain caused by lupus for my sister, which showed itself in facial and bodily rashes and made her skin extremely sensitive and whatnot |
| 20:33.30 | The_Randomness | The expectation of results muddle things even further |
| 20:33.44 | Imperios | It actually seems to work sometimes |
| 20:34.00 | Wormy_ | And actually, meditation and so-on have been shown to have dramatic effects on the body. We haven't fully explained it yet. |
| 20:34.13 | Imperios | What I am more surprised is why my mother, who is an actual pediatrist, believes in homeopathy |
| 20:34.17 | The_Randomness | oh god |
| 20:34.19 | Imperios | Does it actually work sometimes though? |
| 20:34.46 | The_Randomness | Assuming you're asking about homeopathy |
| 20:34.47 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.48 | The_Randomness | No |
| 20:34.53 | Wormy_ | I think the results where it does work are not explained by homoeopathy |
| 20:34.55 | Ghelaway | Everything works *sometimes*. If you got enough people with cancer and punched them all in the face, some of them would have spontaneous remission shortly afterwards. |
| 20:35.14 | Hachiman | Wouldn't stuff like snake antivenom be encompassed under homeopathy? |
| 20:35.28 | The_Randomness | no |
| 20:35.32 | Ghelaway | Snake antivenom isn't diluted to one part in 10^30. |
| 20:35.33 | Wormy_ | Not if it actually contained snake venom |
| 20:35.56 | The_Randomness | iirc, antivenom is produced by getting antibodies that respond to venoms or something |
| 20:36.12 | Ghelaway | That's correct, too. |
| 20:36.21 | Wormy_ | Honestly though, theories like "water memory" simply cannot work. We'd all be poisoned by all the ghostly traces of poisonous minerals. |
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| 20:36.44 | The_Randomness | Homeopathy is basically "drink this water that may or may not have minor impurities related to whatever ailment you may have" |
| 20:36.49 | Ghelaway | No, Wormy; the traces of those poisonous minerals would give us all super-immunity to said minerals. |
| 20:36.53 | The_Randomness | lel |
| 20:36.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:36.56 | Ghelaway | Hello. |
| 20:37.09 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:37.21 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.45 | The_Randomness | tl;dr: Homeopathy is a classic example of quackery |
| 20:37.47 | Monet | Yeah I'd agree homeopathy is bunk - probably a strong example of the placebo effect when it works |
| 20:38.14 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 20:38.21 | Monet | But hey, I like the idea of the placeb oeffect. |
| 20:38.43 | Ghelaway | AFAIK part of homeopathy's popularity is down to people who don't know what it is: they think it's some kind of ancient natural remedy rather than water. |
| 20:39.04 | Hachiman | I dunno whether it was the placebo or the actual properties of the alternative medicine that my sister ingested, but whatever it was I am fairly confident that it saved her life |
| 20:39.26 | Wormy_ | I however *am* open minded to alternative medicine through the way the mind can (unreliably) heal the body. I think things like meditation and tai chi can enhance that. |
| 20:39.46 | Ghelaway | goes back to being an away Ghel |
| 20:39.55 | Wormy_ | There are people out there who can control their body temperature |
| 20:40.09 | The_Randomness | That's good to hear Hachi, I just have no idea what it was, so I can't really comment on it |
| 20:40.09 | Wormy_ | That takes many years of meditation |
| 20:40.25 | Hachiman | Of course I do not advocate for all alternative medicines |
| 20:40.31 | Wormy_ | But most people can meditate enough to control stress levels in the body, which can make us ill/ |
| 20:40.34 | Hachiman | And I do believe there is cause for skepticism |
| 20:40.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.11 | Hachiman | >23 |
| 20:41.14 | Hachiman | You're an old man |
| 20:41.25 | The_Randomness | I rarely take any sort of medication myself, even if I'm a little sick and it might help lol |
| 20:42.20 | The_Randomness | But that's probably more of a matter of pride and such than anything else, idk |
| 20:43.02 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.11 | Wormy_ | I just don't like swallowing tablets. |
| 20:43.28 | The_Randomness | yeah, me neither |
| 20:43.45 | The_Randomness | But if it means that I won't have a river running out of my nose, I don't care |
| 20:43.52 | Hachiman | The only real medicine I take is comparatively minor, like paracetamol for headaches |
| 20:44.02 | Wormy_ | From personal experience though, meditation does help my anxiety and stress. It can put me in a good positive space. |
| 20:44.10 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Try weed |
| 20:44.19 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:44.53 | The_Randomness | Yeah, I don't doubt that meditation and stuff helps with things like that |
| 20:45.02 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.10 | Wormy_ | There are ways to trip out without drugs though, I have found them. |
| 20:47.02 | Wormy_ | heavy meditation, lucid dreaming, sensory deprivation, and so on |
| 20:47.30 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.37 | Monet | useful* |
| 20:48.03 | Wormy_ | Actually I have a side of me that is scientific, and a side of me that hungers for contemplative discovery |
| 20:49.20 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.52 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.49 | Wormy_ | Useful, in what context? It's useful to me, personally. I don't know if it could be useful for society |
| 20:51.30 | Monet | He's one of these skeptics who is doubtful that meditation does anything. |
| 20:51.56 | Wormy_ | I could take drugs to control my anxiety, but I don't want to be treated like a victim. Meditation gives *me* the control. |
| 20:54.52 | Technobliterator | police officer proposes to this girl on valentines day and she says "no" in front of everyone |
| 20:55.01 | Technobliterator | so he arrests her for embarassing him in front of everyone |
| 20:55.01 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 20:55.02 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 20:55.17 | Hachiman | Why propose in front of people anyway |
| 20:55.35 | Technobliterator | shrugs |
| 20:55.47 | Monet | Most people want their proposal ot be special. |
| 20:58.42 | Wormy_ | Keep in mind actually, I don't think meditation is special |
| 20:59.12 | Wormy_ | It is possible to reach the same mental spaces listening to music, doing art, or even mathematics. |
| 21:00.04 | Wormy_ | There are those m\athematicians who speak of using insight and following beauty, and then seeing the universe from a profoundly elegant viewpoint |
| 21:01.17 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.46 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.46 | Imperios | That my parents fed me homeopathy explains why I get ill all the time |
| 21:11.30 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.43 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.23 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.22 | Monet | So it may have been a case of "Aversion is better than that msall chance of contraction"? |
| 21:15.18 | Monet | That's wierd. Accoridng ot NHS Choices, the MMR vaccine can reduce the risk of contracting it. |
| 21:15.48 | Monet | Then again there is something of a 21 year gap between the controversy and now |
| 21:16.32 | Wormy_ | This comes from an Oxford journal a few years after I was born http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/29/4/855.full.pdf |
| 21:17.44 | Wormy_ | But like with the odd cancer patient that gets into remission despite being declared terminally ill, it is probably one of those rare cases blown into public fear. |
| 21:18.14 | Monet | Maybe |
| 21:18.53 | Wormy_ | According to FDA, the chance is 1 in 3 million |
| 21:20.44 | Wormy_ | If I had kids, I would have them vaccinated |
| 21:21.08 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Seen the new Suicide Squad trailer? |
| 21:21.22 | Wormy_ | There's a probably a much higher chance of me dying from drinking a glass of wine. |
| 21:21.26 | Technobliterator | There's a new one? :o |
| 21:21.29 | Monet | Game Theorists once talked about the 2001 Summer of the Shark. A nightmarish time when the number of people killed by sharks turned out ot be lower than the number of fatalities in 2000. |
| 21:21.40 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 21:21.46 | Wormy_ | I saw that |
| 21:22.01 | Monet | Everyone panicked over the five fatalities. |
| 21:22.09 | Monet | How many died in 2000? 12. |
| 21:22.16 | Imperios | Well |
| 21:22.18 | Imperios | The only one |
| 21:22.28 | Technobliterator | The most recent Suicide Squad trailer I saw was the one with Bohemian Rhapsody in it |
| 21:22.31 | Imperios | This one yes |
| 21:22.42 | Technobliterator | I think the film could go either way |
| 21:22.48 | Wormy_ | The great travesty I think about vaccination health scare in the 90s was that doctors too, were involved in disseminating the fear |
| 21:23.01 | Technobliterator | I like bits of it, I hate other bits of it - while most of the villains look good, the Joker looks awful |
| 21:23.08 | Monet | Seeing that one made me conclude that even if the plot is a bust, it's going to be funny either way. |
| 21:23.11 | Imperios | You just hate the new Joker hur |
| 21:23.12 | Hachiman | All of the villains look awful |
| 21:23.21 | Imperios | Hachiman says they're awful |
| 21:23.24 | Hachiman | It looks too edgy and fuck Harley Quinn |
| 21:23.26 | Wormy_ | People go "blame the stupid parents" but you have to remember that authorities should have done a better job |
| 21:23.38 | Imperios | That literally means nothing |
| 21:24.18 | Imperios | I am just not sure about the style of the movie |
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| 21:24.31 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 21:24.34 | Hachiman | While I do like Jared Leto and I do believe that Heath Ledger's Joker is given far too much credit and appraise, Leto's Joker looks dumb |
| 21:24.35 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 21:24.37 | AdmiralPanda | just gotta feed the dog and I'm good to go |
| 21:24.38 | Imperios | Like all DC movies started out somewhat grimdark |
| 21:25.04 | Imperios | Now the new trailers for both Batman v. Superman and Suciide Squad are actually very light-hearted |
| 21:25.06 | Imperios | Which is interesting |
| 21:25.08 | Technobliterator | I think Harley Quinn looks fine |
| 21:25.23 | Hachiman | I will admit to being biased because I fucking hate Harley Quinn |
| 21:25.25 | Technobliterator | Really, I'm more worried Batman v Superman will go pretty awful |
| 21:25.26 | Technobliterator | hi panda |
| 21:25.29 | Imperios | Hachiman: >fucking hate |
| 21:25.34 | AdmiralPanda | Harley looks ok but everyone's still sad that there's no skintight black and red tights |
| 21:25.38 | Imperios | So like have a normal relationship with |
| 21:25.42 | Hachiman | She is useless, annoying, and cannot stand up on her own as her own character |
| 21:25.44 | Imperios | Harley's movie appearance is by far my favourite incarnation of her so far |
| 21:25.57 | Technobliterator | I would say Ledger's Joker is amazing, but Mark Hamill's Joker was my favourite |
| 21:26.03 | Imperios | Not that I do NOT agree with you hur, she's a bit tasteless to me |
| 21:26.06 | Technobliterator | Alas, I think he's too old to play a live-action Joker part |
| 21:26.25 | Technobliterator | Quinn was fine in the Batman: Arkham games |
| 21:26.26 | Imperios | Ledger's is unique but I'd like him to be a little bit more comedic |
| 21:26.34 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: depends on which writer, there was one arc where she was particularly great as a standalone character |
| 21:26.36 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Not sure about that |
| 21:26.47 | Technobliterator | yeah, but the point of the Christopher Nolan films wasn't to be comedic |
| 21:27.04 | Technobliterator | with the DCEU, it looks like they're trying to make it more faithful to the comics while taking tiny bits from the Nolan films |
| 21:27.06 | Imperios | But the point of the Joker IS |
| 21:27.08 | Technobliterator | Which comes off as awkward |
| 21:27.32 | Technobliterator | Why do we have a Joker with a new appearance who tries to emulate Ledger's voice? |
| 21:27.47 | Monet | Mone possibly |
| 21:27.49 | Monet | Money* |
| 21:27.50 | Imperios | Pretty sure Ledger was not the first one to give him a gravely voice |
| 21:27.53 | Technobliterator | Why do we have a completely new Batman trying to emulate Nolan's Batman's voice? .___. |
| 21:28.00 | Imperios | THROAT CANCER |
| 21:28.05 | Technobliterator | No, but you can tell what he's going for |
| 21:28.06 | Monet | Everyone loves Heath Ledger. |
| 21:28.11 | Imperios | I don't |
| 21:28.17 | Hachiman | I would have preferred if there was a callback to the other live-action Jokers |
| 21:28.19 | Imperios | I have no strong feelings |
| 21:28.27 | Hachiman | Suit and hat and all |
| 21:28.28 | Imperios | Hachiman: Adam West! |
| 21:28.35 | Technobliterator | The Batman: Arkham Joker was best, because Mark Hamill is great at that role |
| 21:28.41 | Imperios | The Arkham Joker is brilliant yes |
| 21:28.47 | Imperios | Not sure about Arkham Harley though |
| 21:28.49 | Hachiman | I prefer Nicholson's Joker |
| 21:28.56 | Imperios | Because Hachiman is a hipster |
| 21:28.58 | Technobliterator | I think Mark Hamill is better at voice acting than playing Luke Skywalker, but I am not unbiased since I dislike Luke Skywalker :P |
| 21:29.05 | Imperios | But yes Nicholson was good |
| 21:29.25 | Technobliterator | I feel like the DCEU could possibly be dead after this year alone |
| 21:29.32 | Imperios | They're teetering on an edge |
| 21:29.33 | Hachiman | The film with Nicholson as the Joker was my first Batman film hur |
| 21:29.42 | Monet | That's the thing about the movie industry though: Blockbusters today are places where you have a dozen artists trying ot make one coherent masterpiece. |
| 21:29.44 | Technobliterator | it's betting everything on Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman, both of which could be bad |
| 21:29.48 | Technobliterator | but the thing is |
| 21:29.57 | Technobliterator | the MCU had solo films for the heroes to set them up for the Avengers |
| 21:29.58 | Hachiman | Batman V Superman does not look great to me, tbh |
| 21:30.05 | Imperios | It does not seem great |
| 21:30.07 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 21:30.12 | Imperios | Will probably be just... meh-ish |
| 21:30.15 | Imperios | Like Man of Steel was |
| 21:30.17 | Imperios | I am more interesting on how Fox will fare |
| 21:30.18 | Technobliterator | and it had all these subplots that you can follow in it without watching the whole thing |
| 21:30.22 | Technobliterator | the DCEU has none of this |
| 21:30.24 | Technobliterator | and just, why |
| 21:30.26 | Technobliterator | .___. |
| 21:30.33 | Hachiman | I kind of liked Man of Steel but only really for the same reason why I like Transformers |
| 21:30.37 | Imperios | Like the MCU is consistent, the DCEU has yet to uncover fully |
| 21:30.42 | Monet | Technobliterator: Because DC wantso t compete with Marvel. |
| 21:30.52 | Imperios | But Fox? |
| 21:30.53 | Technobliterator | They are doing a horrible job of it |
| 21:30.56 | Technobliterator | seriously horrible job |
| 21:31.03 | Imperios | Fucking |
| 21:31.05 | Hachiman | Wonder Woman needed her own film |
| 21:31.06 | Technobliterator | Imperios, I would argue it's not that consistent :p |
| 21:31.13 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Compare it with Fox |
| 21:31.16 | Technobliterator | Like, Iron Man 2 is not great |
| 21:31.18 | Imperios | First they have Days of Future Past |
| 21:31.20 | Imperios | Then they have |
| 21:31.23 | Imperios | FUCKING FAN4STIC |
| 21:31.23 | Technobliterator | Iron Man 1 and 3 are awesome |
| 21:31.26 | Imperios | Then they have DEADPOOL |
| 21:31.28 | Technobliterator | And the Thor films are meh |
| 21:31.39 | Technobliterator | such a waste of a great character |
| 21:31.50 | Monet | Imperios Fantastic 4 aren't MCU |
| 21:31.50 | Imperios | There's a difference between "sort of bad and sort of good" and "shit and gold" |
| 21:31.57 | Imperios | Monet: Exactly, they're Fox |
| 21:32.04 | Imperios | So same universe as Deadpool and X-Men |
| 21:32.07 | Technobliterator | I feel sorry for Natalie Portman, she always stars in films which are parts of huge massively grossing series, but in the worst films of those |
| 21:32.18 | Hachiman | Fantastic 4 have always been rather meh and bland though |
| 21:32.24 | Monet | DC saw how well the MCU is doing with their films but their strategy is to basically rush the formulation. |
| 21:32.24 | Hachiman | Aside from Doctor Doom because <3 |
| 21:32.25 | Imperios | Well yeah pretty much |
| 21:32.31 | Imperios | Their characters are pretty hard to salvage |
| 21:32.39 | Imperios | Although, admittedly, perhaps a more comedic approach could work |
| 21:32.44 | Hachiman | I would just like a film with Doctor Doom on his own |
| 21:32.52 | Hachiman | Villain vs villain style maybe |
| 21:33.09 | Imperios | You know, I actually like that MCU and the Foxverse are separate, because it actually makes a lot more sense |
| 21:33.15 | Technobliterator | I just want more Guardians of the Galaxy |
| 21:33.17 | Imperios | The way heroes are viewed in both verses is different |
| 21:33.26 | Imperios | There's going to be GotG 2 |
| 21:33.27 | Technobliterator | because that is the best team of them all |
| 21:33.29 | Monet | DC wants Justice League and Suicide Squad to compete with the Avengers. |
| 21:33.33 | Technobliterator | I want more |
| 21:33.35 | Technobliterator | moooooooore |
| 21:33.38 | Imperios | And Captain Marvel |
| 21:33.43 | Imperios | She's going to be a space-based hero too |
| 21:34.03 | Technobliterator | GotG was the best Marvel film |
| 21:34.10 | Imperios | Pretty much yes |
| 21:34.11 | Technobliterator | followed closely by Avengers 1 and Cap 2 |
| 21:34.31 | Monet | Technobliterator: What's so fuckign brilliant about GotG for me is that 1) they made a film about comic aliens when Green Lantern floppped doing that, 2) it was a superhero group formation movie that didn't suck. |
| 21:34.43 | Technobliterator | Yup |
| 21:34.52 | Technobliterator | GotG just got everything right |
| 21:34.54 | Imperios | Monet: They mostly did that by, well, not having characters being actual superheroes |
| 21:34.55 | Technobliterator | it was spectacular |
| 21:34.59 | Imperios | They diverged a lot from the canon |
| 21:35.02 | Imperios | *characters be |
| 21:35.11 | Imperios | So it's mostly just, you know, people in space |
| 21:35.12 | Technobliterator | every character in GotG is so perfect |
| 21:35.13 | Imperios | Sci-fi |
| 21:35.32 | Technobliterator | like, I would've expecter Peter Quill to just be the blandest and most boring guy |
| 21:35.32 | Monet | And the best bit about GotG? Hardly enyone have ever fucking head of them. |
| 21:35.35 | Technobliterator | but he's actually great |
| 21:35.45 | Imperios | Yes Marvel is very good at salvaging heroes |
| 21:36.05 | Imperios | Gonna give them credit, of all companies Disney/Marvel on its own had the weakest start |
| 21:36.11 | Imperios | But they succeeded neverthless |
| 21:36.19 | Technobliterator | Weakest start? |
| 21:36.23 | Imperios | As in |
| 21:36.29 | Imperios | All popular heroes were sold away |
| 21:36.33 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 21:36.34 | Imperios | And DC had their own big heroes |
| 21:36.36 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 21:36.43 | Imperios | So no Spider-Man, no X-Men |
| 21:36.52 | Imperios | Marvel had to make do with what it had, and it succeeded in doing so |
| 21:36.57 | Technobliterator | they have Spider-Man now |
| 21:37.05 | Monet | "So we have this plan where there's this team that consists of an angsty prisoner, a talking raccooon, a tree-man, and a guy whose' brain is a guy stuck in the 80s and they're goign to save a galactic empire" |
| 21:37.13 | Technobliterator | Sony decided it was easier to just piggyback off of Disney's success than to try and compete with it |
| 21:37.50 | Imperios | Well yes obviously |
| 21:37.54 | Monet | For Marvel to pitch those four characters, plus Gamorra, was cinematic history. |
| 21:37.55 | Imperios | But how much time has passed since that |
| 21:39.23 | Monet | There wasa time where Marvel were shit at adapting their characters |
| 21:39.57 | Imperios | I still believe they wasted Mandarin |
| 21:40.02 | Imperios | HOW COULD THEY |
| 21:40.07 | Imperios | HOW COULD THEY MAKE HIM FRENCH |
| 21:40.10 | AdmiralPanda | now that I agree with completely |
| 21:40.32 | Monet | Look at Captain America (1992), Howard the Duck, and Ben Afleck's Daredevil. |
| 21:40.47 | Monet | Imperios: Wait...French? |
| 21:40.52 | Imperios | Oh wait no |
| 21:40.57 | Imperios | Got that confused with Batman Begins |
| 21:40.57 | AdmiralPanda | now I'm not a comic guy, and literally my first time hearing the Mandarin was as the guy in Iron Man 3 |
| 21:41.00 | Imperios | It had Henry Ducard |
| 21:41.11 | Imperios | But yeah same thing |
| 21:41.25 | AdmiralPanda | but when I heard what he actually was in the comics I was like "and they didn't do this WHY?" |
| 21:41.27 | Imperios | Make the villain white |
| 21:42.08 | AdmiralPanda | or in the Mandarin's case make him an actual mandarin with space magic |
| 21:42.20 | Technobliterator | the Mandarin was ok |
| 21:42.24 | Technobliterator | Iron Man 3 was a good film |
| 21:42.30 | Technobliterator | Iron Man 2 was a bit of a mess |
| 21:42.47 | Monet | Imperios: I did some quick looking. And the good news is Ras' initial appearance wasn't totally inaccurate |
| 21:43.25 | Monet | DC kinda combined Heri Ducard and Ra's al Gul. |
| 21:43.27 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: When I said "make the villain white" I meant "they made both villains white, which was not necessarily a good decision" |
| 21:43.33 | Imperios | But yeah still |
| 21:44.03 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: well they could have still made the mandarin white, but the magic space rings thing was too good to pass up |
| 21:44.12 | Monet | Imperios: Also I wouln't consider Mandarin as totally white, as the actor's ethinicity has been brought up before |
| 21:44.13 | Imperios | Well yeah that too |
| 21:44.23 | Imperios | He's half-Mongolian or something |
| 21:44.38 | Monet | Half-Indian. |
| 21:44.43 | Imperios | Oh you mean Kingsley |
| 21:45.02 | Imperios | I mean the real Mandarin, that Aldrich Killian guy |
| 21:45.07 | Imperios | He was pretty much a failure |
| 21:45.10 | Imperios | Breathed fire, did jackshit |
| 21:45.12 | Monet | Oh HIM |
| 21:45.25 | Imperios | The Kingsley Mandarin was brilliant |
| 21:45.58 | Monet | My bad |
| 21:46.25 | Monet | Although they do keep some consistency in that in the Iron Man 3 game I believe Killian becomes MODOK. |
| 21:47.06 | Imperios | I mean it is in my nature to focus on ethnicity but still |
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| 21:47.10 | Monet | Not *quite* how MODOK came to be but still, AIM gets MODOK. |
| 21:47.30 | Imperios | By making Killian Mandarin they made him generic and boring |
| 21:48.05 | Imperios | I mean yes it was done to alleviate racism but there were many other ways to do so without making him generic |
| 21:48.11 | Monet | It mihght be why they're implying that the *real* Mnndarin might be a) coming and b) extremely pissed-off. |
| 21:48.12 | Imperios | Also if all villains are white isn't that racism too |
| 21:48.28 | Imperios | If Iron Man 4 comes and does not have Mandarin I will throw a fit |
| 21:48.41 | Monet | Plus bear in mind in the comics AIM and Mandari nare unconnected. |
| 21:49.40 | Monet | That and AIM is an Amiercan company so having a Chinese.Mongolian man in charge of it may possibly come off as suspicious to American audiences. |
| 21:50.28 | Monet | That and Nerd!Killian comes off to me as a reference ot Bill Gates. |
| 21:50.47 | Imperios | True that |
| 21:51.42 | Monet | But reading up |
| 21:52.30 | Monet | Killian, Extremis and terrorism are all a thing i nthe comics. |
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| 21:54.16 | Wormy_ | Thinking Captain Captian Zaco shall be like a cheesy 50s blonde haired stoutly built Branningan-esque character |
| 21:54.28 | Technobliterator | there will be no Iron Man 4 |
| 21:54.32 | Technobliterator | or hopefully not |
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| 21:54.46 | Monet | Although Killian's story arc in Iron Man vol. 4 iss #1 was...a lot lamer |
| 21:54.56 | Imperios | Technobliterator: PRetty sure it was announced |
| 21:55.11 | Imperios | http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Robert-Downey-Jr-Confirms-Future-Iron-Man-4-67094.html there |
| 21:55.25 | Imperios | oh wait |
| 21:55.27 | Imperios | wrong link |
| 21:55.34 | Monet | He creates Extremis with Maya Hansen, sells it to domestic terrorists then, overcome with guilt at what he did, shoots himself in the head 10/10 story of the decade. |
| 21:55.38 | Imperios | http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Iron-Man-4-Coming-According-Robert-Downey-Jr-67579.html this |
| 21:55.45 | Technobliterator | boooo |
| 21:55.53 | Technobliterator | I doubt the 4th will be good |
| 21:56.01 | Technobliterator | how many number 4 films have been good |
| 21:57.02 | Imperios | The last Hunger Games was sort of good |
| 21:57.04 | Imperios | I think |
| 21:57.15 | Imperios | Harry Potter too, again, I think |
| 21:57.15 | Monet | I liked it. |
| 21:57.33 | Monet | Though those are more like number 3.5 so do they count? |
| 21:57.45 | Jepardi | http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a3B1KM1_460s_v1.jpg |
| 21:57.48 | AdmiralPanda | hunger games is basically battle royale with half the political commentary :P only so good it can be |
| 21:58.14 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: We literally had a giant argument with Hachi about that |
| 21:58.26 | AdmiralPanda | Jepardi: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but half that heat can make it fail structurally :P |
| 21:59.08 | Imperios | MY opinion is that it is not battle royale with half the political commentart, it is Twilight developed beyond teenage girl fantasies |
| 21:59.19 | Imperios | And should be judged accordingly |
| 21:59.43 | Imperios | But yeah it is limited by its genre, but I do not think there are that many good movies in it anyway |
| 21:59.50 | Imperios | Like Maze Runner and what else |
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| 22:00.24 | Monet | Mockingjay pt. 2 didn't really have so much of a junor battle royale as a "journey to MOrdor but Middle Earth is a trap-filled city" |
| 22:00.46 | Imperios | That too |
| 22:01.02 | Imperios | Actually guys |
| 22:01.08 | Imperios | Imagine if we wrote a young adult novel |
| 22:01.25 | Imperios | And got filthy rich from stupid teenage girls |
| 22:01.48 | Monet | To sum up the entire series as "kids killing each other for sport" is like summing up WWII as "everyone gangs up on evil Germany" |
| 22:02.12 | Imperios | It is like the main premise though |
| 22:02.17 | AdmiralPanda | oh they stopped pretending to be Battle Royale after the first book, but Hunger Games (the original book) is pretty significantly |
| 22:02.29 | Imperios | Yeah that |
| 22:02.48 | AdmiralPanda | and it stays the main theme throughout |
| 22:03.10 | Imperios | Bah I only like the movies because of how attractive they are aesthetically |
| 22:03.14 | Monet | The games themselves stil lreverberate thoughout the films |
| 22:03.17 | Imperios | Everything feels so comfy and RUSSIAN |
| 22:03.32 | Imperios | Monumental architecture, filthy rich elite, stupid masses |
| 22:03.38 | Imperios | This movie is like home |
| 22:03.42 | AdmiralPanda | aha! Imperios' true bias revealed XD |
| 22:03.53 | Imperios | Proud citizen of District 1 |
| 22:04.09 | Imperios | OH HORN OF CHEAP OIL OVERFLOWS |
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| 22:04.22 | AdmiralPanda | in seriousness the only problem I have with Hunger Games is that people pretend it's super deep and meaningful when it's like half Battle Royale in that sense |
| 22:04.34 | Imperios | Yeah it is stupid |
| 22:04.41 | Imperios | It is just a teenage girl novel |
| 22:04.52 | Imperios | It's like with Avatar, which is why I hated it |
| 22:05.04 | Imperios | I saw people who saw it as some sort of revelation |
| 22:05.06 | Monet | Catching Fire: Katniss and Peeta have survivor's guilt, Mockingjay pt. 2: Capitol turns an invasion of it into a game. |
| 22:05.13 | Monet | Hell Kaniss even quips upon learning Snow's plan with "Welcome to the 75th annual Hunger Games" |
| 22:05.53 | AdmiralPanda | also most of the major twists in the book series were twists in Battle Royale :P |
| 22:06.01 | Imperios | I should read it now |
| 22:06.27 | Imperios | I also do not like how Panem is viewed as an allegory of Rome |
| 22:06.31 | Imperios | This is actual bullshit |
| 22:06.47 | Monet | Well... |
| 22:06.55 | Imperios | It is nothing like Rome, if anything it is a bit like the late Russian Empire, maybe late Pahlavi Iran |
| 22:07.26 | Imperios | Which is funny because the fourth movie/third book actually shows it like that |
| 22:07.39 | Imperios | With a Khomeini/Lenin too |
| 22:07.54 | Monet | Ultimately Britannia was this piss-poor colony, Hispania was the heart of its timber industry and North Africa was the breadbasket of the Empire. |
| 22:08.28 | Imperios | Yes but the way it worked on was a bit different |
| 22:08.41 | Imperios | It was not economic and military domination as much as it was cultural domination |
| 22:08.44 | Monet | A bit yeah. |
| 22:08.58 | Imperios | It adapts visual stylistics but not the actual things that made Rome Rome |
| 22:09.01 | Monet | PanEm's industrial capacity may have been a bit *too* stratified. |
| 22:09.46 | Imperios | Even the ultimate role of the games is actually nothing like it was IRL |
| 22:10.23 | Monet | It's Bread and Circuses. |
| 22:10.28 | Imperios | Exactly |
| 22:10.38 | Imperios | And in Panem it is Hunger and Fear |
| 22:10.56 | Imperios | Rather than placating the population, the gladiatorial combat breaks them into submission, which is the polar opposite of what Rome did |
| 22:11.00 | Monet | For the peopel of the Capitol it's Bread and Circuses |
| 22:11.07 | Imperios | That's the thing |
| 22:11.20 | Imperios | The Capitol is portrayed as an aristocracy, rather than the masses |
| 22:11.29 | Imperios | Thus missing the point of gladiatorial conflict |
| 22:12.16 | Monet | It's a it more tyrannical but It might follow galdiatorial conflict. Even if it doesn't mimic it exactly |
| 22:13.07 | Monet | Gladiators were styled after Rome's enemies like Thrace, the arenas were used sometimes (don't know how offten) as a kind of historical reenactment |
| 22:13.32 | Monet | It oculd have been that during the war the Thirteen DIstricts did fight each other. |
| 22:14.33 | Monet | The hunger games serve a a reminder of what happened just as the Gladiatorial reenactments act as historical reenactment to Roman spectators |
| 22:14.38 | Imperios | But the fall of Rome was not about revolution, it was about migrations |
| 22:15.19 | Imperios | The only thing that is sort of related to Rome's fall and is anything like the Hunger Games was the Muslim conquest of Byzantine Egypt |
| 22:15.21 | Monet | I think that's one of the areas where yes, PanEm does differ |
| 22:15.22 | Imperios | But that's the Byzantines |
| 22:15.56 | Monet | And as cruel as the games are, there's still a sense they're entertainment |
| 22:16.23 | Imperios | And it was not really rebellion, more like the oppressed people welcoming the invaders and collaborating with them to defeat the army of colonisers |
| 22:16.24 | Monet | I mean regardless of how callous it is, think of what it means ot see your district surviving past the COrnucopia bloodbath |
| 22:16.39 | Imperios | Thing is that is implied but not shown |
| 22:16.43 | Imperios | At least in the movies |
| 22:17.03 | Monet | We only got District 11's outrage yes. |
| 22:17.34 | Imperios | Monet Hachiman AdmiralPanda: http://img09.deviantart.net/7a87/i/2011/306/7/e/iron_man_3_mandarin_by_darthdestruktor-d4eu4e0.png Oooh |
| 22:17.44 | Monet | Don't they mention early on "maybe District 12 will finally win this year"? |
| 22:17.54 | Monet | I'm sure that's a line fro mthe film |
| 22:18.44 | Imperios | But meh, as I said, young adult literature is about deep as |
| 22:18.44 | Imperios | Well |
| 22:18.47 | Imperios | OUR literature |
| 22:19.00 | Imperios | Which makes sense because we write mostly for ourselves |
| 22:19.38 | Monet | If it was a line, then while potentially missable it does imply that the games are still a matter of interest for the districts.. |
| 22:19.56 | Imperios | It could be shown more though |
| 22:20.12 | Monet | Yeah it could. |
| 22:21.03 | Monet | But as I mentioned earlier, big Hollywood films tend to involve like 12+ people trying to create one cohesive thing their way. |
| 22:21.47 | Imperios | > Hollywood films tend to involve like 12+ people trying to create one cohesive thing their way. |
| 22:21.48 | Imperios | So, us |
| 22:21.49 | Monet | Directors, screenwriters, producers and major actors all want their creative mark in a film. |
| 22:21.52 | Imperios | Basically like us |
| 22:22.45 | Monet | Not so much as Russia as *any* attempt at democracy. |
| 22:22.48 | AdmiralPanda | difference is they get paid to do it |
| 22:23.05 | Imperios | When I say us I do not mean Russians |
| 22:23.08 | Imperios | I mean us as in |
| 22:23.09 | Imperios | US |
| 22:23.10 | Imperios | People here |
| 22:23.16 | Imperios | SporeWiki fiction community |
| 22:23.19 | Monet | The wiki |
| 22:23.23 | Imperios | See, Panda understood what I meant |
| 22:23.30 | Imperios | They're like us except professional and paid |
| 22:23.48 | Imperios | Russians is WILL OF THE PUTIN creating one cohesive thing their way |
| 22:23.53 | Monet | I found out the hard way last year what happens on the wiki is preeeetymuch what happens in the creative media industry in general. |
| 22:24.30 | Imperios | *Russia is THE WILL OF PUTIN creating one cohesive thing HIS way |
| 22:24.47 | Imperios | Which is why i prefer to work with smaller groups |
| 22:25.04 | *** join/#sporewiki Grandma (d121251c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.33.37.28) |
| 22:25.21 | Grandma | Hello youngsters. |
| 22:25.50 | Monet | Film, architecture, game develpment, comics, fashion, name a creative outlet where more than one person is involved in the design process and half the time will be spent making sure everyone's working towards the same vision. |
| 22:25.54 | Monet | Hello |
| 22:25.54 | Wormy_STO | Hello Grandma, need your nightly massage? |
| 22:25.55 | Imperios | ~beat Grandma |
| 22:25.55 | infobot | ACTION beats Grandma with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 22:25.58 | Imperios | YOU ARE WORMY |
| 22:25.59 | Imperios | I KNOW IT |
| 22:26.03 | Imperios | ~seen Wormy |
| 22:26.05 | infobot | wormy <021aae62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.26.174.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 81d 8h 57m ago, saying: '-NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed.'. |
| 22:26.05 | Grandma | Monet can you come over and fix the internet? |
| 22:26.22 | Wormy_STO | How dare you Imperios. |
| 22:26.36 | Wormy_STO | Shot yourself in the foot there. |
| 22:26.42 | Grandma | Grandpa can't read his online news papers. |
| 22:26.53 | Technobliterator | Catface? :o |
| 22:26.56 | Grandma | And I know my most loved grandson is good with computers. |
| 22:27.12 | Grandma | No this is grandma. |
| 22:27.18 | Imperios | ~seen Catface |
| 22:27.19 | infobot | catface <d121251c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.33.37.28> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 11d 1h 31m 18s ago, saying: 'It's been a hard mating season for Catface.'. |
| 22:27.21 | Wormy_STO | Grandma, I think I'm out of foot cream. |
| 22:27.33 | Monet | IP is coming from East Texas. |
| 22:27.54 | Imperios | Yeah it is Catface |
| 22:28.02 | Imperios | Also known as that other American guy |
| 22:28.21 | Grandma | gives Wormy_STO a bottle of Vicks vapor rub. |
| 22:28.25 | AdmiralPanda | well, Random is head pleb now so no big deal |
| 22:28.32 | Wormy_STO | He's our last American guy, come cat, come woman, come old woman |
| 22:28.52 | Wormy_STO | Oh yeah Random I forgot |
| 22:28.59 | Monet | Sorry Grandma. |
| 22:29.04 | Imperios | For some reason there is one person for every country that I consider to be like its quintessential citizen |
| 22:29.10 | Imperios | Like we have a lot of Brits here |
| 22:29.15 | Imperios | But Monet is THE Brit |
| 22:29.31 | Imperios | Likewise Catface is an American, but Tybusen is THE American for me |
| 22:29.32 | Imperios | Dunno why |
| 22:29.35 | Grandma | I'm just a sweet little old lady. |
| 22:30.12 | Wormy_STO | Grandma can you bake me your delicious cookies? |
| 22:30.18 | Imperios | Actually wait no |
| 22:30.20 | Imperios | Monet and Wormy |
| 22:30.30 | Imperios | Monet is the "spot of tea" kind of Brit |
| 22:30.35 | Imperios | Wormy is the "u wot m8" kind of Brit |
| 22:30.37 | DrodoEmpire | ...Am I *the* Canadian? <.< |
| 22:30.54 | Imperios | You or Tek |
| 22:30.59 | Wormy_STO | u callin me a chav m8 |
| 22:31.07 | Imperios | r8 i do m8 |
| 22:31.12 | Imperios | f8 me |
| 22:31.19 | Grandma | bakes Wormy_STO five dozen chocolate chip cookies |
| 22:31.22 | AdmiralPanda | rate i do mate, fate me? |
| 22:31.30 | Imperios | right |
| 22:31.35 | Imperios | fight |
| 22:31.37 | Wormy_STO | cheers m8 |
| 22:31.48 | Monet | Imperios: Funny and eerily coincidental because I was born in Oxbridgeshire. |
| 22:31.51 | AdmiralPanda | 8 ain't pronounced ight :P |
| 22:31.57 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: English |
| 22:32.03 | AdmiralPanda | unless you're irish that is |
| 22:32.06 | Imperios | Everything can be pronounced as everything in your language |
| 22:32.16 | Imperios | I still can't forget that time during the last Andromeda WAr RP |
| 22:32.21 | Grandma | http://i.imgur.com/ZlYn4gl.jpg |
| 22:32.30 | Wormy_STO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.40 | Grandma | AdmiralPanda why don't you ever give me a call? |
| 22:32.44 | Imperios | Before we started, we made a collective break for tea and had an internet tea party |
| 22:32.54 | AdmiralPanda | because you're dead |
| 22:32.54 | Imperios | All while commenting on what tea is best |
| 22:32.59 | AdmiralPanda | if you are my grandmother that is |
| 22:33.01 | Grandma | I've been so lonely ever since you put me in the old folk's home. |
| 22:33.08 | Grandma | I'm your other grandmother. |
| 22:33.10 | Wormy_STO | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Warehousing,_Sneinton_-_geograph.org.uk_-_65277.jpg |
| 22:33.21 | Imperios | Grandma: My living grandmother is nowhere near as nice as you |
| 22:33.34 | Imperios | Also, you cannot roast tofu |
| 22:33.38 | Imperios | You cannot be my grandmother |
| 22:33.40 | AdmiralPanda | both of my grandmothers are dead, congratulations for being an arsehole |
| 22:33.51 | Grandma | I'm your third grandma. |
| 22:34.01 | AdmiralPanda | two words for you |
| 22:34.03 | AdmiralPanda | Fuck. |
| 22:34.04 | AdmiralPanda | Off |
| 22:34.16 | Imperios | You angered Panda |
| 22:34.20 | Wormy_STO | Also I bet I drink more tea than Monet |
| 22:34.29 | Imperios | I drink more tea than both of you |
| 22:34.33 | Wormy_STO | I have it on an hourly basis |
| 22:34.58 | Imperios | Ever since I stopped drinking carbonated drinks when I was like 15, tea has become my main drink |
| 22:34.59 | Wormy_STO | I let it brew for 5-10 minutes |
| 22:35.04 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.07 | Imperios | Tea and coffee with milk |
| 22:35.12 | Imperios | Since recently |
| 22:35.19 | Wormy_STO | I drink it black hah hah u lose m8 |
| 22:35.21 | Grandma | Witches can be good. |
| 22:35.55 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.35 | Imperios | Grandma: My maternal grandmother died of cancer, because she lived next to the place where the Soviets did nuclear tests |
| 22:36.37 | Grandma | That's pitiful. |
| 22:36.55 | Imperios | You cannot be her unless you are a radioactive ghost |
| 22:37.03 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.35 | Imperios | My paternal grandmother however is just a very thrifty and emtoionally distant person |
| 22:37.45 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.54 | Imperios | And neither can use the internet |
| 22:38.02 | Wormy_STO | I am lucky enough to have both my grandmothers |
| 22:38.07 | Grandma | The internet is the devil's STD. |
| 22:38.36 | Monet | Grandma: So why are you using it instead of using a phone? |
| 22:38.42 | Wormy_STO | They are both quite eccentric in different ways |
| 22:38.53 | Imperios | Monet: Apparently during the 1990s when the USSR fell, my grandmother used to buy lots of gold appliances because she feared her currency becoming worthless |
| 22:39.16 | Grandma | But I'll be seeing all of you children later. I hope you all can make it to the church potluck next Sunday. |
| 22:39.22 | Imperios | Utensils even |
| 22:39.23 | Wormy_STO | I don't think Granma knows she is on the internet, shshsh |
| 22:39.27 | Imperios | My grandmother is an atheist |
| 22:39.44 | Imperios | Now she has hoards of gold utensils which she gives away to people |
| 22:39.46 | Grandma | pinches everyone's cheek |
| 22:39.54 | Wormy_STO | Don't forget bingo night Grabdma |
| 22:40.00 | Wormy_STO | Grandma |
| 22:40.08 | Imperios | Monet: What about grandfathers? |
| 22:40.10 | Grandma | drives off in her buick. |
| 22:40.10 | Imperios | My grandfathers however were both very cool people |
| 22:40.20 | Wormy_STO | You might win free gnashers |
| 22:41.13 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.19 | Imperios | Huh |
| 22:41.29 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~yaaic@95.140.92.84) |
| 22:41.49 | Imperios | My paternal grandfather was a Soviet Army colonel |
| 22:42.13 | Imperios | Now back during the day it was a very respectful job but come the 1990s he pretty much lost everything and was treated as an outcast |
| 22:42.21 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.01 | Imperios | I was also told that he could actually ascend further in the military, but because of the racial glass ceiling was held down |
| 22:43.07 | Wormy_STO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.41 | Imperios | My maternal granddad wanted me to go to military academy hur |
| 22:43.45 | Imperios | Or a boarding school |
| 22:43.47 | Imperios | Don't remember |
| 22:44.20 | Monet | I don't know much on my relatives outside my mother, father, brother and my parents' parents. |
| 22:44.21 | Wormy_STO | He died when I was a teenager |
| 22:44.38 | Imperios | Now my paternal grandfather probably affected me more |
| 22:45.01 | Imperios | He was a very sophisticated man, a journalist and a FIERCE nationalist |
| 22:45.03 | Wormy_STO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.13 | Imperios | Wormy_STO: SHAMEFUL DISGRACE |
| 22:45.14 | Wormy_STO | He has great stories |
| 22:45.49 | Imperios | He devoted a lot of his work to helping the Korean diaspora in Russia |
| 22:45.52 | Wormy_STO | As a child, he had to dress in girls clothes so the faries wouldn't take him away |
| 22:45.57 | Imperios | He also wrote a lot of poetry |
| 22:46.19 | Imperios | Wormy_STO: What's that with Brits and LGBT in general |
| 22:46.28 | Imperios | You're like the most LGBT people in the world |
| 22:46.37 | Wormy_STO | No, faries as in fae kind |
| 22:46.51 | Wormy_STO | ImpyDroid |
| 22:47.08 | Wormy_STO | He lived in rural Ireland |
| 22:47.10 | ImpyDroid | I meant the girl dresses hur |
| 22:47.18 | Wormy_STO | They still believed in the faries |
| 22:48.03 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.03 | ImpyDroid | I mean you have this crossdressing tradition, the same-sex boarding school, Elton John, Alan Turing, Freddie Mercury |
| 22:48.11 | Wormy_STO | We Brits had strong progressive movements |
| 22:48.16 | ImpyDroid | Science |
| 22:48.25 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Science is always cool |
| 22:48.45 | Monet | Actually the odd thing about Freddie was he was in fact Mexican |
| 22:48.53 | Wormy_STO | My dad is cool, he used to go backpacking around the world at the age I am now |
| 22:49.12 | Wormy_STO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.14 | ImpyDroid | Monet: You mean Iranian-Indian right |
| 22:49.28 | Monet | Wait...Yeah I tihnk so. |
| 22:49.30 | Monet | Dunno |
| 22:49.37 | Wormy_STO | He's a photographer and a lecturer |
| 22:50.07 | Wormy_STO | both my parents were punks back in the day |
| 22:50.17 | ImpyDroid | He comes from the Iranian community in India that fled there to preserve their Zoroastrian faith when the Muslim Arabs conquered Persia |
| 22:50.21 | Monet | He wasn't White. And WIkipedia states he was born in Tanzania back when it was Zanzibar. |
| 22:50.31 | ImpyDroid | See I know because it involves Muslims |
| 22:50.35 | Wormy_STO | Thats the source of my extremely liberal beliefs |
| 22:51.29 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_STO: Meanwhile my military mother and her parents are the source of my conservative beliefs hur |
| 22:51.44 | ImpyDroid | Monet: True |
| 22:51.58 | ImpyDroid | Then again Persia has a history with the LGBT too strangely enouvh |
| 22:52.17 | Monet | I must have thought he was Mexican given that a few of Queen's songs are Spanish. |
| 22:52.21 | Wormy_STO | Impy, you are not that Conservative from what I've seen |
| 22:52.46 | Wormy_STO | When I mean liberal though, I mean something closer to libertariab |
| 22:52.53 | ImpyDroid | I dunno what I am really |
| 22:53.00 | Wormy_STO | Anarchists are highly individualist |
| 22:53.09 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.13 | Wormy_STO | Unlike SJW-type lefties |
| 22:53.48 | ImpyDroid | Like I am somewhat conformist |
| 22:54.08 | ImpyDroid | That is what my father taught me - one must work within the system and benefit from it, rather than to change it |
| 22:54.23 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.52 | ImpyDroid | But that does not mean I cannot be critical of the government |
| 22:55.16 | Technobliterator | Correction: they love pandering a lot |
| 22:55.18 | Technobliterator | :) |
| 22:55.27 | ImpyDroid | I actually like how my father criticises Putin |
| 22:55.32 | Wormy_STO | My mother argues people should take action. All the Facebook posts "share this to endorse" enrage her, because they do nothing |
| 22:55.52 | Wormy_STO | But things like helping the poor, and son |
| 22:55.53 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.04 | Wormy_STO | She thinks community should do a lot more |
| 22:56.17 | ImpyDroid | It is that he is not authoritarian enough, and allows corruption to control the country |
| 22:56.37 | ImpyDroid | He holds the PRC and South Korea as some sort of ideal |
| 22:56.43 | ImpyDroid | Which I find weird |
| 22:57.36 | ImpyDroid | Actually I wonder |
| 22:58.02 | ImpyDroid | Do you have these "we need a stronger government to execute or imprison every corrupt official" kind of people? |
| 22:58.18 | Monet | Wormy_STO: I agree with her. If you want action to be taken on something, do it. Don't just spread the word around. |
| 22:58.32 | Wormy_STO | indeed |
| 22:58.55 | Wormy_STO | That is one thing about the Tories I do agree with |
| 22:59.03 | Wormy_STO | Individualism |
| 22:59.27 | Wormy_STO | I am absolutely sick of the group think that infects leftie politics |
| 22:59.56 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Not corrupt officials. But I think WOrmy and I may have heard the "we need a stronger society" talk before. |
| 22:59.59 | Wormy_STO | I think me and my family laugh at left and right media |
| 23:00.23 | Monet | That's the interesting thing come ot think of it, as deplorable as governemnt corruption is, it's pretty mild in England. |
| 23:00.32 | ImpyDroid | Unlike Russia |
| 23:00.45 | ImpyDroid | I actually wonder why we have such large problems with corruption anyway |
| 23:01.04 | Monet | Lobbying is detestable depending on whose doing it, but technically if the lobbying is declared it's not corruption. |
| 23:01.15 | ImpyDroid | Probably a cultural thing, Soviet bureaucracy and the size of the country |
| 23:02.02 | Monet | I've noticed young democracies tend ot be rather corrupt |
| 23:02.05 | ImpyDroid | The current Russian government as it is remains bloated because it is still based on the Soviet system, which had to be necessarily large to maintain a planned economy |
| 23:02.11 | Technobliterator | Sorry, but no, it's anything but mild |
| 23:02.16 | ImpyDroid | Monet: >Russia >democracy |
| 23:02.44 | Monet | Technobliterator: Compared to places in Africa or South America, it is. |
| 23:02.45 | Technobliterator | It's worst in Europe and one of the worst in the globe, the only reason people don't see it is because hey look, the people responsible for the corruption also own the media |
| 23:03.01 | ImpyDroid | We were like an IRL Sith Empire during the 90s, and kind of still are |
| 23:03.02 | Monet | I've triggered haven't I? |
| 23:03.15 | ImpyDroid | Except with an Emperor |
| 23:03.32 | Technobliterator | I mean, if they weren't corrupt, Google would have to pay, well, legit taxes |
| 23:03.51 | ImpyDroid | Actually... |
| 23:04.11 | ImpyDroid | Come to think about the SWTOR Sith Empire is basically Russia |
| 23:04.24 | Monet | Technobliterator: Tax dodging is one form of corruption, yes |
| 23:04.25 | Technobliterator | Oh, compared to Africa or South America, fair enough |
| 23:04.26 | Wormy_STO | I don't think I sit cleanly in any political spectrum |
| 23:04.57 | Technobliterator | But in Europe, we're probably the worst for it |
| 23:05.14 | Monet | Technobliterator: Portugal. |
| 23:05.20 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_STO: Same |
| 23:05.44 | Technobliterator | Oh, I suppose |
| 23:05.48 | ImpyDroid | Monet: BTW about Freddy Mercury, well Persia had this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Shah_Abbas_and_Wine_Boy.jpg |
| 23:05.58 | Wormy_STO | Somewhere between libertarianism (or at least individualist forms of the left), social democracy and liberal democracy I think |
| 23:06.23 | Monet | Portugal's politicians are corrupt/incompetent as fuck. And look at what SIlvio Bellusconi has been getting away with despite being official convicted. |
| 23:06.48 | Technobliterator | Though, honestly, I am fairly blinded by my cynicism |
| 23:06.57 | Monet | I think you might be |
| 23:07.02 | Technobliterator | and utter disgust at the state of this country which I am glad to be leaving |
| 23:07.04 | Technobliterator | 8D |
| 23:07.35 | ImpyDroid | Jo, the Ever-Moving Woman |
| 23:07.43 | Monet | You called corruption in the UK "one of the worst in the world" then immediately reconsidered when I brought up Africa and South America. |
| 23:07.43 | ImpyDroid | I bet your children will move to California |
| 23:07.51 | ImpyDroid | Then their children will move to China |
| 23:08.00 | ImpyDroid | Their children to Russia |
| 23:08.05 | Technobliterator | My children won't move to California, because they will be born in California |
| 23:08.09 | ImpyDroid | And finally to Eastern Europe again |
| 23:08.16 | ImpyDroid | Then cycle continues |
| 23:08.25 | ImpyDroid | See, my point proven |
| 23:08.28 | Technobliterator | Also, it's been a few generations since the family last moved massively : | |
| 23:08.34 | ImpyDroid | Oh |
| 23:08.37 | Wormy_STO | Meanwhile I don't plan on moving from the UK |
| 23:08.50 | ImpyDroid | My family moves every generation |
| 23:08.53 | ImpyDroid | Literally |
| 23:08.59 | Wormy_STO | But if I do, it will likely be Scandinavia |
| 23:09.14 | Wormy_STO | I am pulled spiritually to anywhere Northern |
| 23:09.15 | Technobliterator | Wormy_STO, not even when we end up with a UKIP majority government? |
| 23:09.17 | Monet | I might but only if it relates to job opportunities, but I iwll probably miss Merry Old England. |
| 23:09.22 | Technobliterator | Which, in all honesty, is actually looking pretty likely |
| 23:09.26 | AdmiralPanda | if it was anywhere, I'd probably move to Sweden, but I like Australia too much |
| 23:09.26 | Wormy_STO | Then I will move to Scotland |
| 23:09.43 | ImpyDroid | I dunno where I would like to move |
| 23:09.46 | Wormy_STO | I honestly like that Scottish MP, the woman |
| 23:09.49 | ImpyDroid | Like the UK is a possibility |
| 23:10.11 | Technobliterator | Scotland will likely split from the UK |
| 23:10.16 | Monet | Technobliterator: UKIP was certainly successful in practice with all of its 1 MPs currently in power. |
| 23:10.32 | ImpyDroid | Or maybe the US but that is honestly very difficult to do |
| 23:10.35 | ImpyDroid | OR |
| 23:10.36 | Monet | (not denying a lot of people didn't vote UKIP, but they were to ospread out) |
| 23:10.40 | ImpyDroid | I could repatriatw |
| 23:10.44 | ImpyDroid | repatriate even |
| 23:11.01 | Technobliterator | Monet, but it also was the third most voted for party, and how many Conservative voters do you think will continue voting Conservatives? |
| 23:11.12 | ImpyDroid | Not sure I would fit in South Korea but I could try |
| 23:11.17 | Technobliterator | Given how displeased they are with the pandering to the left, Iiiiii'm going to say not many : | |
| 23:11.36 | AdmiralPanda | ImpyDroid: just become addicted to Starcraft and you're good |
| 23:11.36 | ImpyDroid | Then again they need Westernized minds |
| 23:11.47 | Monet | Technobliterator: They said that in the last elections. |
| 23:11.57 | Monet | They expected a hung parliament. |
| 23:12.16 | Wormy_STO | The Scottish MP is fiesty |
| 23:12.18 | Monet | Labour's reputation was still pretty scarred. |
| 23:12.57 | Wormy_STO | Nicola Sturgeon |
| 23:13.04 | Technobliterator | Right, but the migrant crisis continues to get worse, Labour are doing worse than ever before, hate crimes are on the rise, and far right groups continue to gain more popularity. |
| 23:13.46 | ImpyDroid | When I was younger I wanted to move to Durope |
| 23:13.49 | ImpyDroid | Now however |
| 23:13.51 | Technobliterator | Given the current direction we're going in, I very much doubt we'll continue to see a United Kingdom with Scotland in it, a United Kingdom that's part of the European Union, or one which still has the NHS. |
| 23:14.01 | ImpyDroid | You guys feel like you are living on a bomb |
| 23:14.16 | Monet | Perosnally I think Nicola Sturgeon's a shouty cow. |
| 23:14.40 | ImpyDroid | You have a big ethnic conflict slowly unfolding, and I feel like maybe you have enough migrants as it is |
| 23:14.48 | ImpyDroid | So I would not want to be another one |
| 23:14.54 | Monet | All she wants is Scotland out of the union unless she gets her way. I don't think she has any plans beyond that. |
| 23:15.02 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, that's actually not true at all |
| 23:15.09 | Technobliterator | The migrant crisis is massively overstated |
| 23:15.19 | Monet | Agreed |
| 23:15.28 | Monet | Too many "dirty immigints takin oru jerrbs" |
| 23:15.43 | ImpyDroid | Huh, Shari'a gangs seem like a very big thing from what I see |
| 23:15.45 | Technobliterator | We've accepted a very low number in compared to places like Germany |
| 23:15.51 | Technobliterator | Yeah, no, they're really not |
| 23:15.59 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Shari'a gangs are also overstated |
| 23:16.01 | ImpyDroid | MUSLAMIC RAY GUNS |
| 23:16.18 | Technobliterator | Take it from the person who lives (used to live? ?_?) in the place with probably the highest Muslim population in the country |
| 23:16.28 | Technobliterator | It's massively overstated |
| 23:16.28 | ImpyDroid | Yes but the very idea that you allow gangs like this to exist is in itself startling |
| 23:16.32 | Monet | They're only really a problem in the more Middle-Eastern parts of London. |
| 23:16.42 | ImpyDroid | We do not even have these in Muslim regions |
| 23:16.53 | Technobliterator | ImpyDroid, there are no such things as Muslim regions |
| 23:17.03 | ImpyDroid | I mean in Russia |
| 23:17.07 | Monet | And even then it's not like we're accepting the Shari'a gangs. |
| 23:17.08 | Technobliterator | There are just areas where there are more Muslim than non-Muslim communities |
| 23:17.14 | ImpyDroid | There are Muslim regions in Russia |
| 23:17.27 | Technobliterator | This is the same as how there are many areas in the United States with mostly black communities |
| 23:17.31 | ImpyDroid | Like the Republic of Tatarstan for example |
| 23:17.40 | ImpyDroid | It is genuinely a Muslim land |
| 23:17.42 | Monet | That thing abotu Birmingham being a Muslim city is Daily Mail toilet paper. |
| 23:18.00 | ImpyDroid | Though it has Christian communities obviously |
| 23:18.10 | Technobliterator | Yep. I live there, and do you know what the biggest example of "Islamification" is? |
| 23:18.24 | ImpyDroid | Hm Hm? |
| 23:18.28 | Technobliterator | You have Muslim preachers handing out the Qaran by the Bullring (our biggest shopping mall). That's literally it. |
| 23:18.37 | Technobliterator | Oh, and you have a few Mosques built. |
| 23:18.41 | ImpyDroid | Lol |
| 23:18.59 | Technobliterator | There are lots of Sikhs as well |
| 23:19.04 | ImpyDroid | We had a mosque in Saint-Petersburg for a century |
| 23:19.07 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.11 | ImpyDroid | We still have not become Muslims lol |
| 23:19.12 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
| 23:19.13 | Technobliterator | yeah that too |
| 23:19.29 | ImpyDroid | I remember buying a kebab in Italy |
| 23:19.35 | ImpyDroid | It was shit |
| 23:19.37 | Technobliterator | What I'm saying though, is take reports like that with a grain of salt |
| 23:19.41 | ImpyDroid | Why cannot Europeans make good kebabs |
| 23:19.48 | Technobliterator | They're mostly based on cherry picked examples trying to push an agenda |
| 23:19.54 | ImpyDroid | Yes exactly |
| 23:19.56 | drom | Hachiman: Play as clown |
| 23:20.05 | Technobliterator | oh, and most of the taxi drivers are foreign |
| 23:20.08 | drom | I get EVA suit as there is a malf AI round going on |
| 23:20.14 | Technobliterator | hell, more or less all of them are |
| 23:20.16 | Monet | Techno's right, like any European nation our ethnic communities aremainly parts of a city where there's lots more foreigners than normal. |
| 23:20.43 | drom | A dickhead station engineer welds the doors in escape and I get out to stop her. She outright kills me after I disarms her, infront of 10 people. |
| 23:20.58 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Are there ghettos though? |
| 23:21.03 | ImpyDroid | Presume these are dangerous |
| 23:21.11 | Technobliterator | There are some pretty bad areas, yes |
| 23:21.28 | Monet | Does Croyden count? |
| 23:21.29 | Technobliterator | I lived in one for several years, which explains all my teen angst waaaah garbage when I just joined the site : | |
| 23:21.40 | Technobliterator | But they're not dominated by any one nationality |
| 23:22.02 | ImpyDroid | So you faced them Muslamic ray guns |
| 23:23.51 | Technobliterator | hah |
| 23:23.56 | Technobliterator | I guess so |
| 23:24.18 | Monet | ImpyDroid: While the media may focus on stereotypes, guys like the "Muslamic Infidels" guy are...rather common. |
| 23:24.44 | Monet | We call them "skinheads", they're either chavs or neo-Nazis. |
| 23:24.52 | ImpyDroid | We have them too |
| 23:25.05 | ImpyDroid | They tend to shout "RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS" |
| 23:25.16 | Monet | Very short hair and gormless expression included? |
| 23:25.23 | ImpyDroid | Usually just bald |
| 23:25.27 | drom | Monet: I'm going to have the NS to be in "Other Intentions" of the Voidwalker Conflict |
| 23:25.34 | drom | Even if they are member in PAE |
| 23:25.51 | Monet | ImpyDroid: very short hair or bald works. |
| 23:26.06 | Monet | It's where the term comes from. |
| 23:26.26 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://anti-troll.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/3300280841.jpg These guys |
| 23:26.34 | Monet | drom: The NS seem rather independant. But that makes sense as an Exarchate |
| 23:26.58 | ImpyDroid | They tend to be more racially motivated as opposed to religiously motivated though |
| 23:27.48 | Monet | COme to think of it, looking at a transcript of what the Muslamic Ray Gun guy said |
| 23:27.58 | Monet | I don't think even he knows what he's saying. |
| 23:28.00 | drom | Monet: It also helps that I'm planning to let NS be a part of an splint alliance when their interests eventually start conflicting |
| 23:28.40 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://polytika.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/russmarsh_05.jpg Look at this intelligent chap |
| 23:29.08 | Monet | Skinheads transcend nationality |
| 23:29.28 | ImpyDroid | http://varlamov.me/img/russkiy_marsh12/02.jpg They have some sort of pride parade thing every November |
| 23:30.07 | Monet | "they've got their law, obviously it's their law, isn't it? Right, there's no... we can't do anything about that, but we're just trying to stop Muslamic... you've got Muslamic rape gangs nowadays." another fine example of how under-appreciated the Met are. |
| 23:30.19 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://www.kuzbassislam.ru/uploads/news/1382374536/news-3OisFkVV6E.jpg Some Russian nationalists look more Russian though |
| 23:30.41 | Monet | The boys in black and blue, going out and protecting the people. |
| 23:31.04 | drom | ImpyDroid: That stitch on the middle dude's forehead in first people |
| 23:31.12 | drom | picture* |
| 23:31.14 | drom | blargh |
| 23:31.33 | Monet | IMpyDroid: Bottom-rihht looks like Lenin. |
| 23:31.43 | drom | Playing as a retarded geneticist on SS13 has taken its toll |
| 23:31.54 | ImpyDroid | Funny because Lenin was of Jewish and Asian descent |
| 23:32.10 | Monet | So the Muslamic Ray Gun Guy was called "Minger the Merciless" |
| 23:32.13 | Monet | Fucking |
| 23:32.14 | Monet | Gold. |
| 23:32.32 | drom | Who's MRG anyway? |
| 23:32.46 | ImpyDroid | I remember one interesting comparison |
| 23:32.55 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://s.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2013/10/08/10/1381250277_790798414.jpg Russian Neo-Nazis |
| 23:33.28 | Monet | drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M |
| 23:34.08 | Monet | COme to think of it |
| 23:34.13 | Monet | Is this guy drunk? |
| 23:34.50 | Monet | He sounds like he's had four cans of white lightning. |
| 23:35.02 | drom | Dat "infidel inside" shirt on the flag guy in the background |
| 23:35.49 | drom | Anyway, his appearance resembles strongly a russian gopnik |
| 23:36.06 | *** join/#sporewiki ZF101 (4933de11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.222.17) |
| 23:36.08 | drom | Monet: Either the way, got it |
| 23:36.16 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 23:36.25 | ImpyDroid | Well he is a chav |
| 23:36.43 | ImpyDroid | I thought chavs wore Burberry and not Adidas though |
| 23:37.17 | Monet | They wear both. |
| 23:37.17 | Monet | As wel las Nike. |
| 23:37.51 | Monet | They tend to wear knock-off Burberry because it's posh. |
| 23:37.54 | drom | Still, on a distance they bear an uncanny resemblence to gopniks |
| 23:38.08 | ImpyDroid | Gopniks ARE Russian chavs |
| 23:38.17 | drom | i know hur |
| 23:38.19 | Monet | drom: Pretty much the same kind of person really |
| 23:38.29 | ImpyDroid | Russian gopniks can be of different race and religion though |
| 23:38.42 | ImpyDroid | Though Muslim gopniks are a bit different |
| 23:38.57 | drom | ImpyDroid Monet: In Sweden, we've got redneck, muslim and low-soc chavs |
| 23:39.32 | Monet | I've said before but that's the important distinction to make: I doubt any council estate trash could actually afford genuine Burberry. |
| 23:39.54 | ImpyDroid | drom: http://smartnews.ru/storage/c/2013/04/26/1366980689_970585_17.jpg Russian Muslim gopniks can be distinguished by their RED SHOES |
| 23:40.17 | drom | Ah |
| 23:40.24 | Monet | Real Burberry is like D&G, Autograph, Jean-Paul Gautier. |
| 23:40.58 | ImpyDroid | Also lack of proper Slavic Christian clothing |
| 23:41.17 | *** join/#sporewiki OfficerJackal (~OfficerJa@2601:6c0:4202:1ad0:c006:1edf:6dd0:7046) |
| 23:41.20 | ImpyDroid | Muslims cannot wear the holy tracksuits |
| 23:41.23 | ImpyDroid | ho |
| 23:41.27 | ImpyDroid | hi evrn |
| 23:41.59 | drom | Monet ImpyDroid: The actual Swedish type of chavs: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/60%27s_car_with_lots_of_raggare_on_the_roof_at_Power_Big_Meet.jpg |
| 23:42.02 | drom | "raggare" |
| 23:42.07 | Monet | A Burberry coat can cost anywhere between £495-1200. I'l like to see Scumbag Steve affording that on his graveyard shift at the Off-License corner shop. |
| 23:42.21 | ImpyDroid | huh |
| 23:42.23 | drom | They pretty much rednecks too fond of leather jackets |
| 23:42.24 | ImpyDroid | Now ded |
| 23:43.31 | drom | Although the subculture exist solely in small towns, not inside big cities |
| 23:43.44 | Monet | Burberry was popularised by the spread of cheap knock-offs being sold in the sorts of open markets you get in Peckham. |
| 23:43.47 | Monet | Burberry among chavs* |
| 23:43.49 | drom | The people who look like them are 1% bikers |
| 23:45.12 | Wormy_STO | drom: They look like what we call crusties |
| 23:45.22 | Monet | Also I just checked Burberry's catalogue. |
| 23:45.36 | Monet | Not a singel baseball cap. |
| 23:45.47 | Wormy_STO | Old punks you find at music festivals https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9b/8d/9a/9b8d9adda97d57f9907d2260abd9f07a.jpg |
| 23:45.55 | Wormy_STO | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Posers.jpg |
| 23:46.05 | drom | Monet Wormy_STO: The closest resemblence I saw to junkies in Sweden was yesterday (friday) |
| 23:46.39 | drom | On the bus the way home I noticed a couple wearing clothes that belonged to like 70-80's |
| 23:46.51 | Wormy_STO | New Age travellers, Squatters, old punks, eccentrics, free-thinkers |
| 23:47.10 | Wormy_STO | yep sounds like my family's habits |
| 23:47.14 | drom | Weird haircuts as well, the male had completely white hair and the woman a short bowl cut and shaved eyebrows |
| 23:47.35 | drom | When the bus ran to the last station, it turned out that they both were intoxicated and drugged |
| 23:47.52 | drom | last stop* |
| 23:48.16 | drom | It was terrifying, I must say |
| 23:48.18 | Monet | I'm seeing ap attern with knock-off burberry on google images. |
| 23:48.37 | Monet | Most of them have the tartan for the sake of the tartan |
| 23:49.30 | drom | Do they have tartar on their teeth too? |
| 23:49.57 | Wormy_STO | to be honest I think the Swedish junkiers in that pic look fun to hang out with |
| 23:50.09 | Wormy_STO | they look like the type i meet at festivals and the pub |
| 23:50.22 | Monet | http://media.details.com/photos/569409d0f810f19605269bf8/master/w_925/burberry-fw16-bowie.jpg this is a recent line of coats presented by Burberry very recently. |
| 23:50.24 | Wormy_STO | But maybe they are nothing like crusties |
| 23:50.31 | Wormy_STO | in personality |
| 23:50.47 | drom | Wormy_STO: 1/3 of the residents in this building wear like them |
| 23:51.19 | Monet | Knock-offs will often have this pattern https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Burberry_pattern.svg as a way of saying "It's burberry" |
| 23:51.21 | drom | Monet: See Kingsman |
| 23:52.01 | drom | Apparently Argentina has this type of chavs http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cyNw92qEIcQ/SwMSRD2tQYI/AAAAAAAAAFI/kEtvOaezXkA/s1600/floggers+2.jpg |
| 23:52.08 | drom | Called "floggers" |
| 23:52.51 | Wormy_STO | Two crusty festivals I went to last year http://www.efestivals.co.uk/photos/offthetracks/2005-late/AroundTheSite-PB01.jpg http://www.beardedtheory.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sepnl32.jpg |
| 23:53.49 | Monet | Right as far as I can tell, Burberry's pattern is kept ot accessories or secondary clothing elements. |
| 23:54.05 | drom | We usually see raggare around any rock festivals |
| 23:54.08 | Monet | Reminds me of my opinion of gilding. |
| 23:54.56 | Wormy_STO | drom https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wAG6E8sw_S8/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 23:55.06 | Monet | Gold detailing is nice, making something gold for the sake of gold, unless it's something like jewelery or a scepter, feels tacky. |
| 23:55.17 | Wormy_STO | drom: get chavscoped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fyp2baH6iA |
| 23:55.40 | drom | Wormy_STO: Looks more like he has the combination of tarta! |
| 23:55.48 | drom | Tartan + teeth tartar |
| 23:56.27 | Wormy_STO | lol |
| 23:57.53 | drom | Aaand the French "Le Beaufs"! http://nsm02.casimages.com/img/2010/01/19//100119114217602465273773.jpg |
| 23:58.00 | drom | Les* |
| 23:58.15 | Wormy_STO | wtf |
| 23:58.31 | Wormy_STO | how much has he drunk |
| 23:59.06 | drom | "Chinpira" - the rednecks of Japan http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/granada23/imgs/9/a/9aa7ab75.jpg |
| 23:59.16 | drom | Or "white trash" they say |
