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| 01:53.22 | DrodoEmpire | ...Why are you talking like this? |
| 01:55.11 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
| 01:56.35 | Windsock | shits and giggles lmao |
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| 12:52.09 | Imperios | Hi |
| 13:00.50 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I am not sure if this Nyx thing actually breaks any rules |
| 13:00.55 | Wormy_ | Ugh, stayed up till 5 last night referencing my dissertation |
| 13:01.07 | OluapPlayer | It does |
| 13:01.09 | Imperios | His dudes live *outside* some galaxies, not inside them |
| 13:01.17 | Imperios | They're basically teetering at edges |
| 13:01.32 | OluapPlayer | It doesn't matter if they inhabit the place or not |
| 13:01.36 | Imperios | Which I think is allowed |
| 13:01.41 | OluapPlayer | He's mentioning other people's fiction without permission |
| 13:01.50 | Imperios | But he does not affect them one bit |
| 13:02.02 | OluapPlayer | Mentioning breaks the rule |
| 13:02.03 | Imperios | All mentions of, say, Chaos, are surrounded around them worshipping it, which is allowed |
| 13:02.22 | OluapPlayer | Chaos is Xho's fiction, he needs to ask his permission to mention it |
| 13:02.22 | Imperios | Like it's literally internal |
| 13:03.55 | Imperios | It's a one sided relationship |
| 13:04.40 | Imperios | It does not fit into the examples of the rule, "your fiction has attacked, destroyed or has relationships with another one", which all imply actually controlling, to a point, other people's stuff |
| 13:04.52 | OluapPlayer | What part of "mention" do you not get |
| 13:05.05 | Imperios | Wormy_: What do you think? |
| 13:05.37 | Wormy_ | I need to see the fiction |
| 13:06.14 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nyx Basically guys flying in space around galaxies |
| 13:06.47 | Wormy_ | I meanb I think referring to things in the fic universe are fine. I've referred to Chaos and so-on in my fiction. But if they are adding new content, changing Chaos's description, or copying it, then it needs to be stopped. |
| 13:06.53 | Imperios | Also Xhodocto fanboys or something |
| 13:06.59 | Imperios | Pretty much |
| 13:07.02 | OluapPlayer | Mentioning the Quadrants, Cyrannus, Borealis and Chaos without dino's, Cyrannian's, Xho's or my own consent |
| 13:07.04 | Imperios | I mean these guys do not even use Chaos |
| 13:07.35 | Imperios | Also what exactly was your problem with this guy flying around your galaxy doing minor shit |
| 13:07.59 | OluapPlayer | My problem is he's mentioning my work without my permission |
| 13:08.04 | OluapPlayer | I don't accept it |
| 13:08.18 | Imperios | As in |
| 13:08.29 | Imperios | Why can't you give him permission if he does not do anything problematic |
| 13:08.32 | Wormy_ | Oluap, its up to you, Xho, dino etc. to tell him it is not acceptable. |
| 13:08.43 | drom | So I'm not allowed to credit my friends in my work becasue I'm "mentioning" them. |
| 13:08.46 | Imperios | Or is it a principle or something |
| 13:08.51 | Wormy_ | I said the same when External was using Xho's fiction |
| 13:09.01 | OluapPlayer | Because I don't know this person |
| 13:09.11 | OluapPlayer | Only people I can trust can mention my fiction without my say-so |
| 13:09.39 | Imperios | Not what I believe in but that's your right to do so |
| 13:10.08 | OluapPlayer | If you're willing to let people step over you, that's your problem |
| 13:10.09 | Imperios | Also this guy did not mention Andromeda |
| 13:10.13 | Imperios | I am offended |
| 13:10.29 | Wormy_ | I don't mind if people refer to my stuff or work it in as causes for their fiction, since my stuff is an element of the fiction universe. Only when stuff gets ripped off, is when I get cross about it. |
| 13:10.49 | Wormy_ | or belittled |
| 13:10.51 | Imperios | These guys are literally doing nothing other than literally collecting junk |
| 13:11.22 | OluapPlayer | You can't seen to grasp what i'm saying so I'm not going to bother |
| 13:11.24 | drom | Imperios: I'm offended that you aren't paying attention to me |
| 13:11.28 | drom | Notice me senpai |
| 13:11.53 | Imperios | No I mean it is not okay if a guy does something serious without my cooperation |
| 13:12.08 | Imperios | But if he does something very minor, then after a short discussion he is free to do so |
| 13:12.14 | Imperios | drom: NEVEER |
| 13:12.18 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 13:13.14 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I do not get why you are rejecting miniscule collaboration that won't affect you one way or another |
| 13:13.20 | Imperios | Like, you CAN do that, you have the right to do so |
| 13:13.22 | drom | Imperios: stupid baka |
| 13:13.24 | Imperios | But why do you do that |
| 13:13.29 | Imperios | That's beyond me |
| 13:13.43 | OluapPlayer | I don't collaborate with strangers |
| 13:13.55 | drom | Neither do I with fieryheads |
| 13:13.57 | OluapPlayer | Especially when they claim they're heading to my galaxy |
| 13:13.59 | Imperios | Hence "that won't affect you one way or another" |
| 13:14.27 | Imperios | These guys are, from what I see, literally just collecting junk and being sneaky |
| 13:14.29 | Wormy_ | drom: new results for LIGO's detection of Gravity Waves https://indico.cern.ch/event/496299/ |
| 13:14.33 | OluapPlayer | I don't care |
| 13:14.42 | OluapPlayer | Don't mention my fiction without my permission |
| 13:14.57 | drom | Wormy_: Oooh, what is this? |
| 13:15.25 | Imperios | I mean why did you not give permission when you saw it, it would not affect you one way or another |
| 13:15.50 | Wormy_ | I believe they might have strong evidence of gravitational waves in spacetime, confirming one of Einstein's oldest predictions. |
| 13:16.09 | OluapPlayer | Do I have to repeat myself? |
| 13:16.12 | drom | Ah. Which prediction was that? |
| 13:16.16 | OluapPlayer | I don't collaborate with strangers |
| 13:16.19 | OluapPlayer | I don't know this guy |
| 13:16.27 | Wormy_ | Pretty fab reaelly that human insight and ma\thematics can go that far |
| 13:16.46 | drom | Wormy_: Don't underestimate science |
| 13:16.49 | drom | I mean like |
| 13:16.51 | Imperios | Except you would not have to collaborate |
| 13:17.07 | OluapPlayer | Do NOT mention my work without my permission |
| 13:17.09 | Imperios | Letting someone mention your stuff would not imply actualy collaboration |
| 13:17.12 | OluapPlayer | I literally cannot be clearer than that |
| 13:17.12 | drom | How many time have the humanity succeded to rewrite Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Astronomy from scratch? |
| 13:17.30 | drom | Just because of a remarkable discovery? |
| 13:17.39 | Imperios | But why did you not give him permission to MENTION your work |
| 13:17.41 | Wormy_ | A literal prediction of waves that are of spacetime itself |
| 13:17.41 | Imperios | Not collaborate |
| 13:17.44 | Imperios | MENTION |
| 13:17.48 | OluapPlayer | Because I don't know him |
| 13:17.59 | OluapPlayer | Pay attention to what I'm saying |
| 13:18.08 | Imperios | But you would not collaborate with him |
| 13:18.18 | Imperios | He'll just mention your stuff and won't affect you any way |
| 13:18.31 | OluapPlayer | If I don't know the person they can't mention my work, nor would I collaborate with them |
| 13:18.36 | OluapPlayer | What's so difficult to understand in that? |
| 13:18.37 | Wormy_ | They are thought to travel at the speed of light, but if they are slower than that, it gives us a glimpse of some quantum gravity theories |
| 13:18.52 | Imperios | I understand your position, I just do not understand the reasoning behind it |
| 13:19.09 | Imperios | Why is your stuff being mentioned such a big deal that you would forbid it to all but a small group of people |
| 13:19.09 | OluapPlayer | And I don't understand your reasoning of letting people do as they please |
| 13:19.33 | Wormy_ | drom: Sadly lots of scientists have underestimated Science. Einstein's mentor, Ernst Mach, didn't even believe in spacetime because you couldn't directly see it. |
| 13:19.38 | OluapPlayer | It simply is. That's how I work, deal with it |
| 13:19.51 | Imperios | Bah |
| 13:19.55 | Imperios | Of course |
| 13:20.01 | drom | Wormy_: That's why we make theories |
| 13:20.16 | drom | Wormy_: And that's why we try to find our away around those theories |
| 13:20.26 | Imperios | I dunno if a person wanted to mention my stuff then I'd just see what he does, and if I find it acceptable and/or negligible enough, I'd let him do that |
| 13:20.30 | Imperios | Maybe offer advice |
| 13:20.40 | drom | It is an endless debate, because it feels like you are fighting the bonds of the confirmed theories. |
| 13:20.56 | OluapPlayer | That's you, and I don't act like you |
| 13:21.12 | drom | To push them further or even break it |
| 13:21.49 | drom | I don't believe in reserveable time travel, but I'd be surprised if it was discovered to be possible |
| 13:21.55 | Imperios | OF course, just saying |
| 13:22.45 | Wormy_ | drom: What I mean with Einstein though. He didn't have any observations to go by. Only indirect evidence, mathematics, and creativity. It was only later that observations had shown his predictions to be correct within an infinitesmal, margin |
| 13:23.23 | Imperios | Bah I am still a bit sad that nobody mentions my stuff |
| 13:23.27 | Imperios | ;_; |
| 13:23.50 | drom | Wormy_: I see what you mean. I think I heard about a paper that stated that they think there is a hideous particle responsible for causing the time to go forward. |
| 13:24.08 | drom | It is odd |
| 13:24.09 | Wormy_ | I've not heard of that one. |
| 13:24.47 | drom | Imperios: I've tried mentioning your stoff anyway. Specially during the Schism |
| 13:25.14 | drom | And when drawing comparsions from there to there. |
| 13:26.38 | drom | I gotta go |
| 13:26.41 | Imperios | Bye |
| 13:26.42 | drom | brb babes |
| 13:30.42 | Wormy_ | Imperios: No doubt this will reer the attention of bigots https://twitter.com/hashtag/WomenInSTEM?src=tren |
| 13:31.27 | Imperios | Not sure if it'd be appropriate to say some of them are pretty |
| 13:32.25 | Wormy_ | That's just your innate bio/psychology, nothing to be shamed about. |
| 13:33.57 | Wormy_ | Oh dear, I'm already seeing a Twitter war |
| 13:34.05 | Imperios | On whose side/ |
| 13:34.11 | Imperios | SJWs or the righties |
| 13:34.21 | Wormy_ | Some people are tweeting #pinkscience in support of women in science. Others are declaring it is patronising |
| 13:34.28 | Wormy_ | SJW's eating each other up |
| 13:35.03 | Imperios | Lol |
| 13:35.12 | Imperios | That's hilarious |
| 13:35.37 | Imperios | Where would your field be? |
| 13:37.42 | Wormy_ | What do you mean? My opinion on it? |
| 13:38.11 | Imperios | oh wait |
| 13:38.16 | Imperios | I forgot to show you the link |
| 13:38.25 | Imperios | Wormy_: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca7TvclW4AA4wDQ.png |
| 13:38.33 | Imperios | How many women are in your course? |
| 13:39.05 | Wormy_ | 2 |
| 13:39.07 | Wormy_ | :P |
| 13:39.30 | Imperios | Funny because there are exactly as many MEN on my course |
| 13:39.32 | Imperios | Outside of myself |
| 13:40.29 | Wormy_ | I'm currently doing a top-up year in computer graphics, digital media etc. When I studied on my geology degree, about a third of the students were female. And when I did countryside management before that, we had some tomboys. |
| 13:40.56 | Wormy_ | Tomboy - girls that are hard and don't dress up girly |
| 13:42.01 | Wormy_ | I actually have much respect for women who want to break the mold and don't want to be associated with pink and dresses |
| 13:42.08 | Imperios | huh |
| 13:42.30 | Wormy_ | However, I doubt those tropes are such a huge problem facing humanity today |
| 13:42.32 | Imperios | Only a few girls like this in our faculty |
| 13:42.51 | Imperios | Languages are a very classically feminine thing |
| 13:43.09 | Wormy_ | Yeah, I bet they are hard to debate with |
| 13:44.03 | Imperios | That they're feminine does not mean they are dumb hur |
| 13:44.18 | Imperios | They're all fairly smart, at least on my course |
| 13:44.26 | Imperios | Keep in mind we're a top course |
| 13:46.25 | Imperios | There's one girl who dresses fairly outrageously but she's actually fairly normal in terms of personality |
| 13:47.23 | Wormy_ | No wait I meant "I bet they are hard to debate with" not as dumb, but as linguistic experts. I notice women usually win arguments |
| 13:47.49 | Imperios | Heh, fair point |
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| 13:48.50 | Imperios | We don't do arguments really, nothing to argue about yet |
| 13:49.47 | Wormy_ | On my other degree we were encouraged to debate on fieldtrips |
| 13:51.04 | Imperios | We are sometimes meant to debate so as to practice language skills |
| 13:51.11 | Imperios | But overall our course does not have much theory |
| 13:51.17 | Imperios | Mostly practice, programming, languages, etc |
| 13:51.34 | Imperios | That's why I presume we have few debates |
| 13:51.51 | Wormy_ | Ah, I see |
| 13:52.24 | Wormy_ | I read a book you might like. I |
| 13:52.39 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach |
| 13:53.09 | Wormy_ | It features logic, programming, linguistics, and so much more, in an attempt to explain conasciousness |
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| 13:55.07 | Wormy_ | What kind of programming languages do you learn? |
| 14:03.09 | Wormy_ | Imperios: beep |
| 14:03.24 | Imperios | C# and little bit of Python |
| 14:05.55 | Wormy_ | For my course its mostly scripting. Python, Maya Embedded Language, and JavaScript |
| 14:06.26 | Wormy_ | But I'm the only one trying to learn them |
| 14:07.51 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.29 | Technobliterator | Imperios, the rule on Project:Fiction Universe is that you are not allowed to mention fiction without the user's consent, period, unless said user states otherwise. If you would like to propose an alternative rule, feel free to on the talk page. |
| 14:11.41 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Have a plate of British Imperialism http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/news/special/2016/newsspec_13621/media/qq500x700national-archives--lr.jpg |
| 14:11.44 | Imperios | We already discussed that |
| 14:11.48 | Imperios | That was a bit random |
| 14:13.01 | Wormy_ | I am reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-95a417ab-0982-4512-b550-20d68fd53f87 |
| 14:13.27 | Imperios | Wormy_: Now that must be time-consuming |
| 14:13.31 | Wormy_ | Suggests our foreign policies are different because we were never invaded |
| 14:24.27 | Imperios | Technobliterator: We resolved the discussion in the end |
| 14:26.39 | Imperios | Wormy_ Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:210273 Did I address everything? |
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| 14:27.07 | drom | >reply removed |
| 14:27.10 | drom | FASICSTS! |
| 14:27.26 | Technobliterator | mostly, yes |
| 14:27.57 | Imperios | Lol I fixed what you said so I removed the line so as not to confuse him |
| 14:28.08 | Imperios | Anything else could be said? |
| 14:29.01 | drom | I quoted your old post. But my message didn't really contribute to the subject anyway, so I let this slip. |
| 14:30.38 | Wormy_ | I think it is clear and concise |
| 14:31.33 | Technobliterator | I don't think this is a big deal |
| 14:31.47 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/a/BFXqH |
| 14:32.26 | drom | Too many pictures of the same fox, but adorable |
| 14:32.47 | Wormy_ | indeed |
| 14:33.24 | Wormy_ | do you think you will ever get a fox, like a rescued one? |
| 14:33.49 | drom | I don't know. I'm probably too imresponsible to take care of one |
| 14:34.22 | drom | Read a bit about it, and they take a big deal of care |
| 14:34.32 | Wormy_ | I would only have a fox that can't be returned to the countryside. |
| 14:35.01 | Wormy_ | At the present time, I don't have the time. |
| 14:35.10 | drom | You could try recusing one from a fur fram if you've got the money. |
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| 14:35.44 | Wormy_ | I'd probably sneak in and take them all |
| 14:35.46 | drom | Most of the arctic foxes owned as pets are usually retrieved from fur farms. |
| 14:36.18 | Wormy_ | I don't think fur farms (at least foxes) are legal here |
| 14:36.42 | Wormy_ | But many foxes are killed by illegal fox hunts |
| 14:37.34 | Wormy_ | That's how my relatives had a fox. A farmer found fox hunters tresspassing on the land, killed the mother and were beating the young to death |
| 14:38.05 | Wormy_ | They weren't even able to open their eyes |
| 14:38.58 | Wormy_ | I really hate fox hunters |
| 14:39.29 | drom | There is also a big deal of fur trapping in Russia. Also in Scandinavia considering that arctic foxes are protected due to dangerously low population |
| 14:39.37 | Wormy_ | They tresspass, they kill for "sport", often rearing foxes for the same purpose, and think the countryside is theirs |
| 14:40.17 | drom | rearing - as in slamming with bumpers at full speed? |
| 14:40.58 | Wormy_ | Actually placing foxes in a location so that they breed, grow up and then get hunted by dogs |
| 14:41.36 | Wormy_ | Also I know someone who's cat was killed by trespassing fox hunters. |
| 14:41.45 | Wormy_ | and their dogs |
| 14:42.16 | Wormy_ | Traditionally in the UK, dogs are used to chase and tear apart the asnimal rather than a gun |
| 14:43.26 | Wormy_ | Its illegal now, but the Tories have tried to legalise it |
| 14:43.44 | drom | Wolf and bear hunt is frequently discussed in Sweden and are most of the time illegal to hunt unless there are hosts of rabies or in self-defense. |
| 14:44.07 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 14:44.25 | drom | Despite it they hunt wolves and bears |
| 14:44.37 | Wormy_ | The only way to keep down deer population is to shoot the old and sick, here |
| 14:45.31 | drom | Big game hunting (boars, deer and mooses) is legal in Sweden but only allowed from spring to autnumn |
| 14:46.30 | drom | Plus those: http://www.alingsastidning.se/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/storbild_20071017081452nyhet.jpg |
| 14:46.39 | drom | Those are an everyday food in Sweden |
| 14:50.21 | drom | In case you've not noticed the obvious about it already, they are to limit off wilderness from crossing roads. To prevent accidents involving cars running over animals. |
| 14:50.54 | drom | Infact I think we are the only country to have a word for accidents involving animals run over by vehicles |
| 14:52.17 | Imperios | drom Technobliterator: https://2ch.hk/po/src/13963457/14551998141023.jpg |
| 14:52.26 | drom | Charles_Murray: Is France technically a exachate member? |
| 14:53.13 | Imperios | It is an exarchate |
| 14:53.15 | Imperios | Albeit a very OP one |
| 14:53.35 | Imperios | drom: https://2ch.hk/po/src/13963457/14552004363070.jpg |
| 14:53.39 | drom | lolol |
| 14:55.39 | drom | How is it an OP one? |
| 14:56.30 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/ydK1C |
| 14:57.39 | Imperios | Well it has a place on the Highlord Council |
| 14:57.51 | Imperios | *seat in the |
| 14:58.46 | Wormy_ | WTF |
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| 14:58.58 | Wormy_ | So that is what it is liker to enter the Time Vortex |
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| 15:00.57 | drom | Wormy_: Or be trapped in a place where room is completely non-existant |
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| 15:04.54 | Wormy_ | drom http://i.imgur.com/F4SrkMN.gif |
| 15:05.40 | drom | hur |
| 15:06.10 | Wormy_ | drom: Love is the key |
| 15:06.48 | drom | Imperios: NS - *grumbles about starting their own alliance with blackjack and naked mole kangroo rats* |
| 15:07.21 | Imperios | drom: Iovera - fuk u, bow down to the cyberpunk Muslamic dragon baguettes |
| 15:07.34 | Imperios | MOUSElamic even |
| 15:08.19 | drom | MUS actually means MOUSE |
| 15:08.23 | drom | in Swedish |
| 15:08.39 | drom | So MUSLIM -> MUS-LIM = MOUSE GLUE |
| 15:12.31 | drom | Imperios: The latter in NS' grumbling are radeons |
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| 15:13.36 | drom | instead of hookers |
| 15:14.42 | Imperios | Hhur I got that |
| 15:22.50 | drom | What was the name of that chaotic evil skeleton in purple robes, from some old cartoon show. The same origin of the "yeehaaw" meme |
| 15:24.11 | drom | Oh it is not "yeehaaw", but some blondie guy with bowl haircut |
| 15:29.19 | Wormy_ | I think that CERN broadcast is soon https://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play.php?event=496299 |
| 15:29.59 | Wormy_ | or its been posteponed |
| 15:30.06 | drom | Skeletor |
| 15:30.09 | Wormy_ | someone burned the sausage rolls |
| 15:30.11 | drom | It is FUCKING SKELETOR |
| 15:30.14 | drom | WOW |
| 15:38.43 | drom | Imperios: I could just create few more empires and unite them with an alliance: http://www.he-manreviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/251-11-Best-Day-Ever-640x467.png |
| 15:40.01 | Wormy_ | drom: I'm feeling nostalgia for this film. It has a similar epic ending to Interstellar that collides the cosmic with the human https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountain |
| 15:46.07 | Imperios | drom: The Skeletorian Pact |
| 15:47.02 | drom | Imperios: When it is an actual thing. I'd call it Dromidarian Pact |
| 15:47.25 | Imperios | Actually, wait, would it be an internal thing within the AGC or an actual rival to it |
| 15:47.51 | Imperios | PAE even |
| 15:48.08 | drom | I'm not planning to make it a canon thing since I've only one fiction at the moment |
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| 15:52.12 | drom | Imperios: Thinking about it, it might won't start off as a rivality, but eventually turn away from PAE when their interests start conflicting |
| 15:58.01 | drom | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNX8SsKF18 |
| 16:05.35 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.37 | Wormy_ | someone got murdered there in a broad daylight only the other week |
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| 16:09.18 | drom | Wormy_: You could be ironical by walking around with a case of Carlton's Delight |
| 16:09.31 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 16:09.41 | Wormy_ | drom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtR63-ecUNo |
| 16:10.02 | Wormy_ | Cyrannina sounds like a feminine name for Cyrannian |
| 16:10.13 | Cyrannina | whoops |
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| 16:10.28 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 16:10.30 | drom | Wormy_: Don't get me started on how easily I could call him for Cykannian |
| 16:11.01 | Wormy_ | I sometimes miss the "r" |
| 16:13.37 | Imperios | Hi Cr |
| 16:13.56 | Imperios | drom: So first they will be an internal PAE group and then try to secede |
| 16:14.04 | Imperios | Like space Confederacy |
| 16:14.43 | drom | Pft |
| 16:14.50 | Imperios | Something like that? |
| 16:14.54 | Charles_Murray | The golden movement? |
| 16:15.04 | Charles_Murray | Or something else? |
| 16:15.05 | drom | While I think it could work. I was moslty thinking as a seperate movement |
| 16:15.28 | Imperios | I meant that "Dromadarian pact" idea you had |
| 16:17.15 | drom | I know what you were talking about. But it is an idea that is far from where I am now |
| 16:17.23 | Wormy_ | drom: https://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play.php?event=496299 |
| 16:17.26 | Wormy_ | on now |
| 16:20.09 | drom | oh cool |
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| 16:36.55 | drom | Imperios Charles_Murray: Secondly, I've been moslty thinking it would initally be only limited to my fiction. |
| 16:37.16 | Charles_Murray | Hnng, I came in late |
| 16:37.22 | Charles_Murray | I have no idea what's going on |
| 16:37.34 | Charles_Murray | Also, the NS being an exarchate is absolutely fine with me |
| 16:37.41 | Charles_Murray | I have no idea why it wouldn't :) |
| 16:37.45 | Charles_Murray | be* |
| 16:37.48 | Imperios | I'd be more than willing to work with you once you get to it |
| 16:41.51 | Charles_Murray | Me too! |
| 16:41.55 | Charles_Murray | (halp? drom) |
| 16:42.02 | drom | not yet |
| 16:42.10 | drom | but thank you |
| 16:43.00 | Imperios | Could be a thing once we are done with other stuff |
| 16:43.10 | Imperios | Are you sad or something |
| 16:46.20 | drom | Hard to tell. But I'm mostly doing fine. |
| 16:46.56 | drom | And I'm currently listening to a old man who looks like the offspring of Sanders and Einstein combined |
| 16:47.16 | drom | At least on a distance, Wormy_ hru |
| 16:48.36 | drom | Imperios: I'm phobic of rejection and when people are dependent on me. |
| 16:49.15 | drom | So I usually prefer going as the last of the chain lonewolf |
| 16:49.20 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 16:50.38 | Imperios | >lonewolf |
| 16:50.45 | Imperios | So that's why your creatures are literally wolves |
| 16:50.46 | drom | Wormy_: Hold on, he looks almost like Abraham Licoln actually |
| 16:50.48 | Imperios | hur |
| 16:50.54 | drom | damn you ruskie |
| 16:52.03 | Wormy_ | He has two bottles of water > came prepared for a long lecture |
| 16:55.16 | drom | the time he arrived to the discussions slide, I thought he is about to end his lecture |
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| 16:56.03 | drom | As I switch tabs |
| 16:56.14 | drom | I hear a myriad of handclapping |
| 16:56.17 | Wormy__ | grr internet cuts off at the interesting biut |
| 16:56.53 | drom | welp my fox froze |
| 16:58.27 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1455209870041.jpg |
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| 17:00.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:00.46 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/8pNSb2Z.jpg |
| 17:02.02 | OluapPlayer | dat old |
| 17:02.17 | drom | Ghelae Wormy__: http://imgur.com/gallery/o3zu2 |
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| 17:02.47 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Oikoumene#Est.C3.ABment.C3.A1ri - take a look |
| 17:03.39 | drom | <Imperios> Are you sad or something I've been thinking about it for now. I'd say that I'm very exhausted and I'm tired of life. |
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| 17:16.31 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: fecking look |
| 17:16.36 | Imperios | Cyrannian: So bird is literally Tyrone's replacement |
| 17:16.44 | OluapPlayer | NGAH |
| 17:16.44 | OluapPlayer | shup |
| 17:16.49 | Imperios | That explains a lot hur |
| 17:16.56 | Cyrannian | That's one way of looking at it! |
| 17:17.33 | Cyrannian | If you mean that it explains why Chaneonix' avatar Tigarlu has manipulated Apollo into opposing Tyrómairon, than yus |
| 17:17.57 | OluapPlayer | Chaneonix, god of Dvotties |
| 17:18.52 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/5rYYXsu.png |
| 17:19.58 | Imperios | drom: Shwampoo |
| 17:20.20 | drom | Imperios: GET OUT OF MY SHOWEP |
| 17:22.38 | TekDroid | That is terrifying. |
| 17:31.25 | Ghelae | Wormy__: I take it you're aware that gravitational waves are confirmed by LIGO now? |
| 17:31.56 | drom | We are |
| 17:32.12 | drom | We saw the livestream |
| 17:33.05 | Ghelae | I was in a lecture at the time, so I've only found out recently. |
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| 17:41.52 | drom | Ghelae Wormy_: There is an album on imgur explaining it http://imgur.com/gallery/g0Muu |
| 17:43.40 | drom | Imperios: Guess the country http://i.imgur.com/648VVJR.webm |
| 17:44.30 | Imperios | Israel |
| 17:44.34 | Imperios | Hence the Jewish physica |
| 17:44.37 | Imperios | physics |
| 17:45.03 | drom | Imperios: Ireland because the man walked into a bar |
| 17:46.01 | Wormy__ | Ghelae: Watched the live stream, didn't they detect evidence of black hole binary? My internet cut out just as they began talking about it |
| 17:46.17 | Wormy__ | Oh you may not no if you didn't see it |
| 17:46.20 | Wormy__ | *know |
| 17:46.22 | Ghelae | That's what the reports are saying. |
| 17:46.54 | drom | Wormy__ Ghelae Imperios: Savage http://i.imgur.com/n8PQcmm.jpg |
| 17:48.14 | Ghelae | Explains why my parents' dogs are black. |
| 17:48.29 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/NoAlROt.jpg |
| 17:48.59 | drom | Imperios. http://i.imgur.com/ledAdJe.jpg |
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| 17:50.53 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 17:51.15 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 17:57.44 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 17:58.18 | ZF101 | Hello. |
| 18:01.22 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 18:05.04 | drom | Wormy__ Ghelae Hachiman ImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-21AMbFFk |
| 18:07.10 | Wormy__ | droM: Show Ghelae that Time Vortex |
| 18:07.29 | Wormy__ | I'll have to watch it later |
| 18:11.10 | Wormy__ | Ghelae: drom found it http://imgur.com/gallery/ydK1C |
| 18:12.01 | Hachiman | Wormy__: Eh, kinda generic |
| 18:12.36 | Wormy__ | Are you not wowed by it? |
| 18:12.50 | Hachiman | The special effects are rather subpar |
| 18:13.02 | Hachiman | I have seen short films with better and more convincing special effects |
| 18:13.31 | Hachiman | The actors are not great or that convincing, the special effects of the creature and its abilities seem a little standard and uninspired |
| 18:13.39 | Hachiman | Plus cliches all over the place |
| 18:13.53 | Wormy__ | yes, recursively so |
| 18:14.45 | Hachiman | I would have shot it at night, kept dialogue to a minimum, maybe got better actors since children are notorious for being unable to emote properly |
| 18:15.01 | Ghelae | Wormy__: Cosmologically speaking, that vortex is a universe closed in one spatial dimension, flat (but also finite) in two others, and with slightly glitchy graphics. |
| 18:16.29 | Hachiman | There was no real sense of atmosphere beyond what the music was informing you to feel and I would have made the shots less awkward, maybe have the creature act in a way that subverts the cliches |
| 18:16.51 | Hachiman | The only real thing I can appreciate it for is that to me, it seems like something of a homage to the Iron Giant |
| 18:21.27 | Wormy__ | It looks like a 2 dimensional universe trying to move in the third dimension |
| 18:22.11 | Hachiman | Oh also |
| 18:22.22 | Hachiman | Apparently gravity waves were discovered today |
| 18:22.24 | Wormy__ | or maybe the illusion of a 3D creature sticking its head in |
| 18:22.40 | Hachiman | Gravitational waves, even |
| 18:23.39 | Wormy__ | Yep, first direct detection of black holes |
| 18:26.18 | Ghelae | The final prediction of standard fundamental physics to be verified. All that's left to discover now is new stuff. |
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| 18:27.23 | Wormy__ | I'm sure the velocity of the waves gives us a glimmer of that, whether or not they are at c |
| 18:27.46 | Ghelae | To within the precision that they can measure, they travel at c. |
| 18:29.09 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
| 18:29.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:29.20 | Vincent20100 | drom Impydroid: I'm on the pad :) |
| 18:30.44 | Ghelae | Gravitational-wave astronomy will be able to start answering other questions, too. http://www.nature.com/news/gravitational-waves-6-cosmic-questions-they-can-tackle-1.19337 |
| 18:31.36 | Ghelae | The first one of those is, by what was observed, yes. The second one is answered to some degree of precision by the fact that it was detected by two telescopes, so the speed can be measured by the distance between them and the time between the signals. |
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| 18:38.44 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 18:43.14 | Ghelae | And, to alleviate worries about the signals being an "injection": http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/here-s-first-person-spot-those-gravitational-waves |
| 18:44.42 | Wormy__ | I sure am glad biocentrism probably isn't true |
| 18:45.56 | Wormy__ | (Cosmospawn) |
| 18:46.40 | Hachiman | Why is that? |
| 18:46.54 | Hachiman | Also what would biocentrism and the like have to do with gravitational waves? |
| 18:49.10 | Wormy__ | Not specificaly in anyway I know |
| 18:49.47 | Wormy__ | But idea measuring quantum properties and collapsing them into existence, one day a killer one |
| 18:50.06 | Wormy__ | Its a stupid non-explanation though |
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| 18:51.15 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:51.38 | Ghelae | Wormy__: So, the idea being that gravitational waves wouldn't have existed if we hadn't been looking for them? |
| 18:51.52 | Wormy__ | yeah |
| 18:52.00 | Ghelae | If things worked that way, we'd have discovered magnetic monopoles, proton decay and supersymmetry decades ago. |
| 18:52.20 | Monet | Hello |
| 18:52.21 | Ghelae | So it's safe to say that science doesn't work by confirming majority expectations. |
| 18:52.45 | Monet | OKay |
| 18:53.17 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 18:55.48 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 18:57.56 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: Remember the Hunger Games movies? |
| 18:58.13 | Monet | Yes |
| 18:58.13 | DanzaDelMondo | I just realised there is one more thing that bugs me about them |
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| 18:59.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: https://youtu.be/6RKN1XkbTVs?t=40 If that Capitol is basically a society of aristocrats, then why do their buildings look so, for the lack of a better word... |
| 18:59.08 | DanzaDelMondo | Communist? |
| 18:59.47 | Wormy__ | Ghelae: A variant of the idea suggests certain physical constants and laws are observed and brought into existence because they are conducive to life. But those properties might for example, only be conducive now |
| 18:59.57 | Monet | WHen I saw them I was reminded of Rome/Nazi Germany. |
| 19:00.18 | Wormy__ | Obviously, the idea has the problems you pointed out. But also it doesn't enrich our understanding whatsoever |
| 19:00.31 | Hachiman | Hi Wormy |
| 19:00.35 | Hachiman | I mean Oluap |
| 19:00.51 | OluapPlayer | physics and hard sci-fi |
| 19:01.02 | Wormy__ | And... The observer must be in a quantum state too, really |
| 19:01.04 | OluapPlayer | billions and billions and billions |
| 19:01.05 | Ghelae | It sounds a little like the anthropic principle. But the anthropic principle as an explanation is at least usually backed by string theory, which has a mechanism for the constants to vary. |
| 19:02.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: That for me is weird |
| 19:02.15 | Vincent20100 | DanzaDelMondo: It does look a bit like that, although it look more like roman stuff |
| 19:02.22 | DanzaDelMondo | Because Nazi Germany was populist |
| 19:02.27 | DanzaDelMondo | As was Stalinist USSR |
| 19:02.39 | DanzaDelMondo | It still ultimately relied on the people, unlike Panem |
| 19:03.03 | Hachiman | Hunger Games fucking sucks, there is your answer |
| 19:03.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Ahem, it is still best in its genre |
| 19:03.20 | Wormy__ | I like the idea of the Final Anthropic Principle, the idea that intelligence or some complexity far beyond that might gear the universe's future in unpredictable ways. Though only because it makes good science fiction. |
| 19:03.40 | Hachiman | DanzaDelMondo: What is Battle Royale |
| 19:04.12 | Hachiman | Battle Royale will always be my favourite piece of media in which kids are assigned to kill other kids |
| 19:04.23 | Hachiman | And is far more interesting than the generic Hunger Games bullshit |
| 19:04.31 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Female teenage literature/movie |
| 19:05.02 | DanzaDelMondo | "Fucking sucks" is a fairly bold thing to say if you remember this thing compares to TWILIGHT |
| 19:05.12 | Hachiman | Both fucking suck hur |
| 19:05.17 | DanzaDelMondo | ...Seriously |
| 19:05.35 | DanzaDelMondo | ...Are you fucking serious now |
| 19:05.42 | DanzaDelMondo | ...Like did you just compare a fairly decent movie |
| 19:05.44 | DanzaDelMondo | With Twilight |
| 19:05.46 | DanzaDelMondo | What did you do |
| 19:05.47 | DanzaDelMondo | WHAT |
| 19:05.48 | DanzaDelMondo | DID |
| 19:05.49 | DanzaDelMondo | YOU |
| 19:05.50 | DanzaDelMondo | DO |
| 19:05.53 | Hachiman | >fairly decent |
| 19:05.55 | Hachiman | That is a bold claim |
| 19:06.00 | DanzaDelMondo | It is decent |
| 19:06.06 | DanzaDelMondo | I do not see why it is *bad* |
| 19:06.10 | DanzaDelMondo | It is not *good* |
| 19:06.13 | DanzaDelMondo | But it is not *bad* |
| 19:06.13 | Monet | Both of you calm down. |
| 19:06.22 | Hachiman | The next film after it was shit because it was just a repeat of the first one though |
| 19:06.30 | Hachiman | It cannot stand on its own |
| 19:06.31 | DanzaDelMondo | I dunno |
| 19:06.43 | Monet | You have different opinions on the Hunger Games, Hachi, let Impy have his Hunger Games opinion. |
| 19:06.45 | DanzaDelMondo | 2 and 4 were good, 3 was bad, 1 was meh |
| 19:06.52 | DanzaDelMondo | We have simialr opininos |
| 19:07.01 | DanzaDelMondo | However Hachiman cannot understand things in context |
| 19:07.10 | DanzaDelMondo | This is teenage literature |
| 19:07.13 | Monet | If you're going to call it shit then it helps ot explain why it might be shit. |
| 19:07.49 | OluapPlayer | Wait I thought Hunger Games was some sorta Game of Thrones thing |
| 19:07.58 | DanzaDelMondo | Literature for 15 year old girls, a way to explore their fantasies, and for that genre the movie does spectacularily |
| 19:08.19 | Hachiman | Because it is repetitive and generic, with uninteresting characters and contrived circumstances and plotlines, a background premise that is interesting on paper but they cannot execute it properly in practice and the explanations and justifications behind it are barely looked into from a realistic POV |
| 19:08.26 | DanzaDelMondo | Now |
| 19:08.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Put this into context |
| 19:08.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Of everything else around it |
| 19:08.48 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Completely different things hur |
| 19:08.54 | OluapPlayer | Huh |
| 19:09.01 | OluapPlayer | I had the impression they were related |
| 19:09.26 | Monet | There's more to Hunger Games than kids being tasked with killing each other. |
| 19:09.30 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: That's like saying Peppa Pig sucks because its dialogues are simple |
| 19:09.49 | Hachiman | Peppa Pig does not try to be larger than it is |
| 19:09.51 | DanzaDelMondo | The characters are interesting - for the target demographics |
| 19:09.59 | DanzaDelMondo | I do not see it as larger as it is |
| 19:10.02 | DanzaDelMondo | It is just a teenage flick |
| 19:10.10 | DanzaDelMondo | A fairly good teenage flick |
| 19:10.43 | DanzaDelMondo | If you are going to bring up the fans who make something grand out of it, that's the fans' fault |
| 19:10.57 | DanzaDelMondo | And I do not understand them either, it is obviously highly naive |
| 19:10.59 | Hachiman | The fans are even worse |
| 19:11.17 | OluapPlayer | The fanbase does not make the subject, regardless of what it is |
| 19:11.17 | DanzaDelMondo | >teenage girls |
| 19:11.19 | Hachiman | To be fair I will admit that they probably make me feel more sore than I should on the subject |
| 19:11.19 | DanzaDelMondo | YOU DON'T SAY |
| 19:11.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Obviously |
| 19:11.54 | DanzaDelMondo | But, do you understand my point? |
| 19:12.11 | Monet | Oluap's right. Does the fanbase actually ruin the content? or the message? Not really. |
| 19:12.19 | Hachiman | Eh |
| 19:12.28 | DanzaDelMondo | For a teenage flick it manages to have something more than teenage fantasies and romance |
| 19:12.32 | Hachiman | I feel that the effects of hype can ruin something |
| 19:12.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is in itself impressive |
| 19:12.38 | Wormy__ | The aspergers is strong on this channel. Here I am waffling about philosophy of physics, and you two are debating peppa pig fanbases or something all at once |
| 19:12.46 | DanzaDelMondo | Don't tell me you were hyped for Hunger Games |
| 19:12.47 | OluapPlayer | lel |
| 19:12.49 | DanzaDelMondo | Are you fucking serious |
| 19:12.51 | Hachiman | I was not |
| 19:13.12 | OluapPlayer | You're messed in the head when the guy with asperges calls you an asperges |
| 19:13.19 | Hachiman | But there are shows and movies I do like which are hyped beyond belief by their fandoms |
| 19:13.30 | Hachiman | And in turn that ruins my impression of them |
| 19:13.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman literally has aspergers so yes hur |
| 19:13.39 | Hachiman | non |
| 19:13.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Yes you do |
| 19:13.47 | Hachiman | I am not diagnosed with Aspergers |
| 19:13.56 | Hachiman | I am diagnosed as being somewhere on the autistic spectrum |
| 19:13.58 | DanzaDelMondo | You were diagnosed with high-functional autism though |
| 19:14.11 | DanzaDelMondo | Anyway, hype does not necessarily make something bad |
| 19:14.19 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.22 | Hachiman | No but it can ruin your impression of something |
| 19:14.24 | DanzaDelMondo | I guess |
| 19:14.26 | Technobliterator | this is uh |
| 19:14.29 | Technobliterator | a weird discussion |
| 19:14.30 | Hachiman | And make you not want to like it or see it |
| 19:14.34 | DanzaDelMondo | From the emotional point of view of course it might ruin your viewpoint of it |
| 19:14.38 | DanzaDelMondo | However |
| 19:14.50 | OluapPlayer | If fandom made the thing, I'd fucking hate Undertale for example |
| 19:14.50 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, I have to head out swimming training now, but are you up to doing the second Loron prologue when I'm back? |
| 19:14.53 | DanzaDelMondo | From a purely reational point of view it remains unchanged |
| 19:14.58 | OluapPlayer | If I'm available |
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| 19:15.06 | Technobliterator | alright |
| 19:15.07 | DanzaDelMondo | *rational even |
| 19:15.09 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Game of Thrones is low fantasy realpolitik-esque adult fiction with equal focus on characters and politics, Hunger Games is post-modern social crisis character-centric action teenage fiction |
| 19:15.12 | Hachiman | Just to clear that up |
| 19:15.12 | Technobliterator | I'll be about an hour and a half |
| 19:15.27 | DanzaDelMondo | You're like that guy who compared Hunger Games with 1984 |
| 19:15.32 | OluapPlayer | Somehow I thought they were the same setting and Hunger Games was like a prequel or something |
| 19:15.39 | OluapPlayer | Then again I never researched on it |
| 19:15.42 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: Holy shit it all makes sense now |
| 19:16.04 | Hachiman | >Compared Hunger Games with 1984 |
| 19:16.09 | Hachiman | As if I would give it that much praise |
| 19:16.15 | DanzaDelMondo | Exactly |
| 19:16.21 | DanzaDelMondo | How stupid one can be to do it |
| 19:17.18 | DanzaDelMondo | This is literature/cinematography which both perfectly fits the demographics (judging by its success) and managed to raise itself above the genre |
| 19:17.19 | Hachiman | I would actually like the Hunger Games more and give it more credit if it actually indulged more in the dark and gritty violence it claims is going on yet is too afraid to show in fear of getting an adult rating |
| 19:17.41 | DanzaDelMondo | And in doing so scare away its actual demographics |
| 19:17.53 | Hachiman | If you are writing a story where young adults and kids are tearing each other apart, I want to see the actual brutality of it |
| 19:18.00 | DanzaDelMondo | TEENAGE GIRLS |
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| 19:18.15 | DanzaDelMondo | If that was the case it would be a different book altogether, and in this form it would be redundant, as the genre already exists |
| 19:18.20 | DanzaDelMondo | As you said, Battle Royale |
| 19:18.31 | DanzaDelMondo | >in fear of getting an adult rating |
| 19:18.34 | DanzaDelMondo | >teenage movie |
| 19:18.35 | DanzaDelMondo | >in fear of getting an adult rating |
| 19:18.38 | DanzaDelMondo | You serious mate |
| 19:18.42 | Hachiman | kek |
| 19:18.46 | DanzaDelMondo | Are you serious |
| 19:18.57 | DanzaDelMondo | Do you want teenagers to be banned from watching a teenager movie/book |
| 19:19.01 | DanzaDelMondo | ARE YOU FUCKIG SERIOUS MATE |
| 19:20.02 | Monet_2 | It got a few things right |
| 19:20.05 | DanzaDelMondo | That's like saying Peppa Pig needs more realistic family dynamics |
| 19:20.19 | Monet_2 | Katniss had ot threaten the lives of sponsors for the mto notice her. |
| 19:20.22 | Hachiman | If Peppa Pig was attempting to be a show about family dynamics |
| 19:21.23 | Hachiman | Battle Royale probably gets away with it because the censorship standards in Japan are vastly different to the standard in the UK and US |
| 19:21.35 | DanzaDelMondo | You act like Hunger Games attempted to be a serious work of art |
| 19:22.00 | Hachiman | People treat it like a serious work of art and it is written to try and play itself as a serious work of art |
| 19:22.09 | DanzaDelMondo | To attract more viewers |
| 19:22.28 | DanzaDelMondo | Whereas in actuality it is not, merely a ploy to attract teenage girls |
| 19:22.36 | Monet_2 | I am reminded of Tim Burton's Batman right now |
| 19:22.42 | Hachiman | I think at this point we are arguing about the fact we have roughly the same opinions on it hur |
| 19:22.48 | DanzaDelMondo | It still has a roughly defined demographics |
| 19:22.50 | Hachiman | Except I feel it is shit and you do not |
| 19:23.03 | DanzaDelMondo | I do not get why it is shit |
| 19:23.12 | DanzaDelMondo | IT is a decent movie from the overall perspective |
| 19:23.23 | DanzaDelMondo | And a very good movie when compared to its genre |
| 19:23.39 | DanzaDelMondo | Not read the books so can't say anything |
| 19:23.44 | Hachiman | To be fair that does not lend itself much credit since the rest of its genre consists of a lot of bad stuff |
| 19:23.50 | OluapPlayer | It's a movie? See I thought it was a show |
| 19:23.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Exactly |
| 19:23.56 | OluapPlayer | That's how much I don't care |
| 19:24.05 | Hachiman | Just because you are the shiniest turd does not mean you are not still a turd |
| 19:24.15 | DanzaDelMondo | Wouldn't say it is a turd |
| 19:24.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Not sure about the movies but it has well-made decorations, artstyle, even a few plot twists, and some superficial drama |
| 19:24.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Decent |
| 19:24.44 | Monet_2 | Hachiman: What it sounds like is you're rating Hunger Games by comparing it to something like Ender's Game. |
| 19:24.49 | Wormy__ | once you see the wisdom that everything is turdonium, none of this matters anymore. |
| 19:25.06 | Hachiman | Wormy__ That's some nihilistic shit |
| 19:25.08 | Hachiman | kek |
| 19:25.35 | Monet_2 | Hunger Games is decent when you compare it to other Young Adult Fiction. |
| 19:25.38 | DanzaDelMondo | It is compelling, nothing serious though |
| 19:25.42 | Wormy__ | i see the dark |
| 19:25.52 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet_2: No, it is fucking brilliant when you compare it to other young adult fiction |
| 19:26.11 | DanzaDelMondo | It is decent-ish when compared to everything else though |
| 19:26.23 | Hachiman | I do not feel I am in the wrong when I compare a series which attempts to tackle serious issues such as violence, poverty, survival and the |
| 19:26.25 | DanzaDelMondo | It obviously sucks when compared to other dystopian literature |
| 19:26.25 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 19:26.38 | DanzaDelMondo | But a man who would do so would be fairly stupid |
| 19:26.49 | OluapPlayer | and the fuck |
| 19:26.52 | Hachiman | I do not feel I am in the wrong when I compare a series which attempts to tackle serious issues such as violence, poverty, survival and elitism to other films, shows, and series which do the sake |
| 19:27.00 | Hachiman | same |
| 19:27.07 | DanzaDelMondo | Because one does not compare shows for their superficial appearances |
| 19:27.14 | DanzaDelMondo | You're being very superficial right now |
| 19:27.36 | DanzaDelMondo | Though they're about the same thing, they are targeted at different people and are made for different purposes |
| 19:27.44 | DanzaDelMondo | The next thing you tell me is that MLP and GoT can be compare |
| 19:27.46 | DanzaDelMondo | d |
| 19:27.48 | Hachiman | Eh, that is a fair point |
| 19:28.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Because both have a dragon character that is paired with someone who has a lot of horses |
| 19:28.14 | Monet_2 | Lol |
| 19:28.16 | Hachiman | MLP is a good series for what it does; entertain children and encourage family entertainment |
| 19:28.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Don't you dare shit-talk MLP |
| 19:28.40 | DanzaDelMondo | I remember everything from your favourites folder on DA |
| 19:29.09 | Hachiman | I am not going to shit-talk MLP because I accept that from certain perspectives and for its intent, it is a good show |
| 19:29.16 | DanzaDelMondo | But yeah I agree with you |
| 19:29.30 | OluapPlayer | Jumping into conclusions like a champ |
| 19:29.34 | DanzaDelMondo | It's a very good family/children's show that tackles, at times, serious themes, but I do not see anything extraordinary in it |
| 19:29.51 | Hachiman | I feel that with the Hunger Games, it is not "good" even for its genre; more like, "it does the job" |
| 19:30.19 | DanzaDelMondo | It is still not SHIT hur |
| 19:30.28 | DanzaDelMondo | As I said, decent |
| 19:30.46 | Hachiman | You think there is only one category of "shit" |
| 19:30.52 | Hachiman | There are many layers of "shit" |
| 19:31.06 | OluapPlayer | ur all the shittiest of shit |
| 19:31.26 | Hachiman | Hunger Games probably sits on the upper layers of what I feel is shit so I give it that credit |
| 19:31.46 | DanzaDelMondo | From a subjective point of view or from an objective? |
| 19:31.48 | Hachiman | I am fond of the premise of it even though I am not entirely sold on its execution |
| 19:32.03 | Hachiman | Subjective of course, it's my opinion |
| 19:32.06 | OluapPlayer | Both of those are buzzwords |
| 19:32.14 | DanzaDelMondo | From the objective opinion it is meh |
| 19:32.19 | DanzaDelMondo | I just like its stylistics hur |
| 19:32.22 | Hachiman | >objective opinion |
| 19:32.27 | Hachiman | That's a double negative |
| 19:32.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Objective point of view I meant |
| 19:32.43 | Hachiman | Again double negative hur |
| 19:33.03 | DanzaDelMondo | This is actually not a double negative |
| 19:33.35 | Hachiman | Objective = / = Most popular |
| 19:33.40 | Ghelae | Do you mean an oxymoron? |
| 19:33.47 | Monet_2 | Danzel: do you mean the general PoV? |
| 19:33.59 | DanzaDelMondo | THis is, assuming we presume that "objective" in its case is used literately, an oxymoron, albeit in this case it was obviously a sort of metaphor, though objective in its most general sense is obviously never used literally for it is mosty of the time a metonymy |
| 19:34.22 | OluapPlayer | Looking at all that fancy talk |
| 19:34.34 | OluapPlayer | A buzzword in the end |
| 19:34.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Ghelae: Oxymoron is the word |
| 19:35.07 | DanzaDelMondo | Bah I've made my point |
| 19:35.08 | DanzaDelMondo | Anyway |
| 19:35.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Back to the point |
| 19:35.34 | OluapPlayer | More like stop arguing about Hunger Games already |
| 19:35.39 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet_2: thing is, it is weird because that kind of monumental architecture was meant to be used for populist movements |
| 19:35.43 | Hachiman | We are debating, not arguing hur |
| 19:35.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Whereas Panem is... anything but |
| 19:35.48 | OluapPlayer | You've been going for 30 minutes |
| 19:36.33 | DanzaDelMondo | So like this is not the kind of imagery aristocratic countries use |
| 19:36.38 | DanzaDelMondo | Or oligarchies |
| 19:37.20 | Monet | Not all the districts are as dirt-poor as DIstrict 12. |
| 19:37.27 | DanzaDelMondo | Not my point |
| 19:37.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Talking about the Capitol |
| 19:37.45 | DanzaDelMondo | If you look at IRL countries that sort of resemble Panem |
| 19:37.58 | DanzaDelMondo | http://rosregistr.ru/images/Fantaziya2.jpg You see more lavish, fancy stuff like this |
| 19:38.05 | DanzaDelMondo | Quite often lacking in style |
| 19:38.20 | DanzaDelMondo | Rather than this weird brutalist architecture |
| 19:38.34 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Speaking of which, why did you even intervene in the discussion about architecture |
| 19:39.09 | Hachiman | You were saying why Hunger Games would take that nonsensical approach to its architecture |
| 19:39.14 | Hachiman | I was giving you a reason hur |
| 19:39.33 | DanzaDelMondo | You're making everything boring hur |
| 19:39.42 | Hachiman | ;-; |
| 19:39.48 | DanzaDelMondo | You did not provide any actual in-universe reason for the fact |
| 19:39.53 | OluapPlayer | fits since ur all incredibly boring |
| 19:39.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Or how it SHOULD have looked |
| 19:40.12 | Monet | When I watched Mockingjay the city that most came to my mind was Berlin. |
| 19:40.15 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is why you should go to hell, we are indulging our inner architects here |
| 19:40.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Berlin as in modern-day Berlin or the Nazi plans for it? |
| 19:40.49 | OluapPlayer | My inner architect says, you select the Peon and order him to build a Barracks |
| 19:40.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Work work |
| 19:41.14 | Monet | Maybe it was trying to evoke a degree of imperialism? Panem's emblam *dies* highly resemble the Roman Aquila. |
| 19:41.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Hm fair point |
| 19:41.40 | Hachiman | Honestly, for a serious answer from my end is that it is probably because most young Western audiences will be familiar with viewing that particularly kind of architecture as dystopian and high-class |
| 19:42.01 | DanzaDelMondo | See |
| 19:42.07 | DanzaDelMondo | That was the kind of stuff you were meant to say |
| 19:42.12 | DanzaDelMondo | But then you threw a stupid retort |
| 19:42.20 | DanzaDelMondo | We know that you view 99% of things as shit |
| 19:42.31 | DanzaDelMondo | No need to discuss it |
| 19:42.38 | Hachiman | IT WENT FOR THE GENERIC ROUTE INSTEAD OF DOING ANYTHING INTERESTING THUS SHIIIIIIIIT |
| 19:43.10 | Monet | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/a/a5/Capitol_enterance.png/revision/latest?cb=20130720231202 from this anfle it resembles a mroe modern city |
| 19:44.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is actually interesting because there could be other solutions |
| 19:44.06 | DanzaDelMondo | For example they could go for a more baroque styl |
| 19:44.09 | DanzaDelMondo | style |
| 19:44.13 | DanzaDelMondo | Or perhaps more Empire style |
| 19:44.18 | DanzaDelMondo | http://www.facade-project.ru/images/cms/data/viktorianskaya_epoha/2-1-arch-ampir.jpg That kind of thing |
| 19:44.53 | DanzaDelMondo | Baroque, somehow modernised, could actually work very well |
| 19:45.19 | Hachiman | Yeah but would you think that young Western audiences, particularly girls, would appreciate it as much as you do? |
| 19:45.42 | DanzaDelMondo | They would not appreciate Soviet brutalism either |
| 19:45.57 | DanzaDelMondo | In fact I bet they know even less about brutalism than me |
| 19:46.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Baroque however is something very familiar, you have a lot of it in Europe |
| 19:46.18 | Hachiman | Like I said, a lot of elements for the Hunger Games are simply there for doing the job at the minimum rather than any amount of care or passion being put into it |
| 19:46.59 | Monet | European Baroque architecture wouldn't have reflected the oppression the other districts were feeling |
| 19:47.16 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Which is why we are discussing the way it COULD have been done |
| 19:47.24 | DanzaDelMondo | See we are being productive critics |
| 19:47.29 | DanzaDelMondo | You are an unproductive critic |
| 19:47.47 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: But it would fit well in Capitol |
| 19:48.00 | Hachiman | That I might be hur |
| 19:48.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Other districts, Soviet stuff fit right in |
| 19:48.20 | DanzaDelMondo | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uq3Q1uwJtt0/Vf9WSHLHaPI/AAAAAAAABlQ/XES5hHnKZbU/s1600/11815462903_1b1b7c864b_k.jpg Or, for something more modern: Art deco |
| 19:48.26 | Monet | I think one way of looking at it is to see the Capitol as a character, maybe even one from Kantniss' perspective. |
| 19:48.30 | DanzaDelMondo | T |
| 19:48.55 | Hachiman | DanzaDelMondo: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12744191_1676683885913423_771638770638802838_n.jpg?oh=290afb26f05e7d0ce6c995114928994d&oe=572A500E |
| 19:49.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Seen that |
| 19:49.31 | Monet | Katniss prefers the wilderness, the undulating hills surrounding her hometown. The Capitol, bt cmomparison, is this cold, ordered, rigid society. |
| 19:49.39 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is bullshit because 1990s is when it began |
| 19:49.45 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: Hm, so like rural/urban |
| 19:49.52 | Monet | The city might look brutalist because Katniss hates every single moment she's there. |
| 19:49.53 | DanzaDelMondo | Actually from this point of view it makes more sense |
| 19:50.14 | DanzaDelMondo | But it also runs in contrast with the actual citizenry |
| 19:50.26 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is anything but cold and ordered |
| 19:50.38 | DanzaDelMondo | Art deco would however have fulfilled both roles |
| 19:51.04 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Also, that does not reflect on me whatsoever, because we do not have anything like thi |
| 19:51.20 | DanzaDelMondo | Right wing paradise hur |
| 19:51.35 | Hachiman | Yeah I was kind of left wondering why the aristocrats of Capitol look eccentric and weird - chaotic - yet the actual city looks pretty bland and generic |
| 19:51.43 | Monet | Maybe the architecture being organised alone was enough to imply sophistication for Katniss. |
| 19:52.03 | DanzaDelMondo | So like you imagine the city being seen through her eyes |
| 19:52.17 | Monet | the tow nwe saw in District 12 was a slum, basically; corrugated houses, no reliable electricity |
| 19:52.19 | OluapPlayer | What is even this capitol you're on about? |
| 19:52.27 | Hachiman | It is like the aristocrats wanted Capitol to be built and styled in a way that made it seem intentionally more oppressive than it should be |
| 19:52.28 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: The Hunger Games' main bad guys |
| 19:52.34 | DanzaDelMondo | Basically |
| 19:52.37 | DanzaDelMondo | Big rich city |
| 19:52.40 | DanzaDelMondo | Everyone else is poor |
| 19:52.42 | OluapPlayer | Okay |
| 19:52.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Capitol = big rich city |
| 19:53.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Like IRL Russia except we have two Capitols hur |
| 19:53.30 | DanzaDelMondo | This reminds me of another incident |
| 19:54.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: So someone put an ad that said "You are leaving the Capitol" next to the actual entrance to Moscow |
| 19:54.21 | Monet | Well you have interior spaces liek these http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/f/f2/Capitol-dinner-the-hunger-games-movie-28914295-1234-673.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120501103009 |
| 19:54.41 | DanzaDelMondo | Dom 2 hur |
| 19:55.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah the interiors and the characters look more in line, the outer architecture however |
| 19:55.39 | Monet | Honestly that happens in Europe. |
| 19:55.51 | DanzaDelMondo | Now I want to make a big art deco-Baroque-Soviet brutalist city in the fictionverse |
| 19:56.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: Let me guess, you too have McDonalds and the like inside of architectural relics |
| 19:57.11 | Monet | Sometimes. |
| 19:57.45 | Monet | Hmm, what if the buildings are a sort of inverse of the people that live in them? |
| 19:57.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Maybe |
| 19:58.34 | Monet | We see the citizens of the Capitol in all these vibrant clothes and outlandish fashions, but its all superficial. Many of the citizens themselves are slaved to the latest trends. |
| 19:59.15 | DanzaDelMondo | Hmmm |
| 20:00.06 | Monet | ALso I might have found some credibility |
| 20:00.23 | Monet | http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/arrchitecture-modern-house.jpg this is inside a building constructed in the 1920s |
| 20:01.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormy__: Remind me, what human factions are there after the GXS other than hons |
| 20:01.26 | Monet | As Modern a city as New York is, there are still a lot of buildings that pre-date the second world war. |
| 20:02.36 | Monet | Especially Manhattan where you had a construction boom in the 30s |
| 20:03.04 | Monet | And as a result, you get gems like this https://cornerbycorner.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/potter-building.jpg |
| 20:03.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Looks coze |
| 20:03.27 | DanzaDelMondo | cozy |
| 20:03.29 | DanzaDelMondo | I'd live there |
| 20:04.05 | Monet | http://www.somponet.com/wp-content/uploads/e/e-homey-beekman-towers-in-nyc-beekman-towers-nyc-ny-beekman-tower-nyc-map-beekman-tower-nyc-hotel-beekman-towers-nyc-beekman-towers-nyc-ny-beekman-tower-nyc-map-beekman-tower-nyc-hotel-beekma.jpg look what's behind it |
| 20:04.42 | Monet | Come to think of it... |
| 20:04.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Actually wait |
| 20:04.53 | DanzaDelMondo | Is that red building made of unpainted brick? |
| 20:05.10 | Monet | Possibly |
| 20:05.15 | Monet | Maybe the Capitol's streets were inspired by the narrower roads of NYC. |
| 20:05.58 | DanzaDelMondo | We actually have al ot of buildings like that in Saint-Petersburg |
| 20:06.21 | Monet | Go to the financial district and you get streets like this http://www.rogersmarvel.com/projects/NYSE/Rogers-Marvel-NYSE-1.jpg |
| 20:06.30 | DanzaDelMondo | Especially in the former industrial districts |
| 20:06.42 | DanzaDelMondo | http://p1.citywalls.ru/photo_13-13645.jpg?mt=1273625807 Hachiman: Khorne the house |
| 20:06.58 | Hachiman | Fitting hur |
| 20:07.02 | Hachiman | Not enough skulls though |
| 20:07.14 | DanzaDelMondo | There's also this gem |
| 20:07.16 | Monet | Come to think of it the city is a lot more claustrophibic than the shots of Broadway make out. |
| 20:07.34 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet: http://vppress.ru/photo/new/4022.jpg Guess what is the purpose of this building |
| 20:08.03 | Monet | Water pump? |
| 20:08.17 | DanzaDelMondo | Yes, in the past |
| 20:08.25 | DanzaDelMondo | Now, however, this building actually houses *art fairs* |
| 20:08.42 | Monet | So it's a RUssian Battersea Power Station. |
| 20:09.03 | DanzaDelMondo | Huh? |
| 20:09.14 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Battersea_Power_Station_from_the_river.jpg this is a modern art gallery these days |
| 20:09.44 | DanzaDelMondo | Okay you just out-Russia'd ourselves right now |
| 20:09.59 | Monet | Actually its not just any art gallery |
| 20:10.14 | Monet | The Tate Modern is one of the big London galleries. |
| 20:11.43 | DanzaDelMondo | Huh |
| 20:12.17 | Monet | Oh wait wrong building |
| 20:12.17 | Monet | I was close |
| 20:12.37 | Monet | http://www.artfund.org/assets/what-to-see/museums-and-galleries/tate-modern/TateMoern1536LS.jpg this is the Tate Modern |
| 20:13.12 | Monet | Oh it was *bankside* power station! I'm stupid |
| 20:14.37 | DanzaDelMondo | The spire of ART |
| 20:15.44 | Monet | Okay so I guess the HUnger Games' Capitol makes a lot of sense if you've been to NYC. |
| 20:16.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Well I've been to Moscow |
| 20:16.23 | DanzaDelMondo | Which is... sort of like the CApitol actually |
| 20:16.34 | DanzaDelMondo | But it does not count because it has glorious Soviet past |
| 20:16.53 | Monet | Where you'll have old, somewhat-industrial buildings populated by people adorning themselves with this eyar's latest fashion trend. |
| 20:19.08 | DanzaDelMondo | True that |
| 20:19.16 | Monet | SoHo i nparticular |
| 20:19.24 | DanzaDelMondo | Now as I said |
| 20:19.37 | DanzaDelMondo | I am thinking of a baroque/art deco kind of city for the Fictionverse |
| 20:20.52 | Monet | Actually before that http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AXonexi_Allies#Members here's a list that includes the human nations |
| 20:23.39 | Monet | Corcisa, East Asia (except Japan), North and SOuth America (except Mexico and maybe other central american nations) and Africa, |
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| 20:24.53 | Hachiman | Feel free to have Japan by the way Imp |
| 20:25.02 | Hachiman | I have no idea what to do with it |
| 20:25.52 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:26.15 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:40.45 | DanzaDelMondo | No no I have on idea what to do with humans either |
| 20:40.50 | DanzaDelMondo | But I had an idea regarding humans |
| 20:40.57 | DanzaDelMondo | (humans outside of Koldenwelt that is) |
| 20:41.59 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Imagine if there was a small but heavily urbanised world somewhere in Andromeda or the Milky Way populated by human colonists of European and Middle Eastern descent, highly capitalistic and bit prickly and with a powerful fleet |
| 20:42.08 | DanzaDelMondo | Like a tiny Fictionverse Empire of Man hur |
| 20:42.35 | DanzaDelMondo | Not even a country, but a single colony answerable to the Orion League maybe |
| 20:42.47 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:43.05 | Hachiman | Personally I would make it have a fair number of systems to stand on its own |
| 20:43.11 | DrodoEmpire | So like an old-style Free City? |
| 20:43.15 | DanzaDelMondo | Ya |
| 20:43.20 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 20:44.01 | Monet | SO an urbanised world supposted by a number of smaller colonies/partners? |
| 20:44.03 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman: Maybe a few small mining colonies |
| 20:44.07 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah |
| 20:45.02 | DanzaDelMondo | Like another space Hong Kong |
| 20:47.46 | DanzaDelMondo | Oh and its ruler would literally be space Alfgund |
| 20:47.51 | DanzaDelMondo | Better yet, space Norrigan |
| 20:50.36 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 20:54.25 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:54.38 | Hachiman | Needs an excuse for space elves |
| 20:54.46 | Hachiman | And / Or space dwarves |
| 20:55.16 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.42 | Hachiman | One idea I had for space dwarves were that they are abhumans who were "native" to a world in a black hole system, as an in-depth conversation about black holes being used in place of suns for life-sustaining planets had somewhat inspired me |
| 20:59.38 | Hachiman | Although human descendants are iffy territory since we already have transported human descendants in nearly all galaxies plus it would be too contrived to make the "space dwarves" act like space dwarves when they should otherwise be quite removed from general human traits |
| 21:00.57 | DanzaDelMondo | >black hole |
| 21:01.01 | DanzaDelMondo | Interstellar |
| 21:01.04 | DanzaDelMondo | INTERSTELLAR |
| 21:01.15 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 21:05.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hi Monet |
| 21:08.56 | Monet_2 | Hi |
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| 21:25.54 | Charles_Murray | DanzaDelMondo |
| 21:25.57 | Charles_Murray | Check the TP |
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| 21:35.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Charles_Murray: Got it, answering now |
| 21:35.11 | DanzaDelMondo | check the top |
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| 21:36.29 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:38.34 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:38.58 | The_Randomness | science.jpg http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1602/BHmerger_LIGO_3600.jpg |
| 21:41.45 | The_Randomness | I got to watch the NSF announcement thing about that in my astrophysics (extragalactic astronomy) lecture today :3 |
| 21:42.59 | DanzaDelMondo | ~poke CharleS_Murray |
| 21:42.59 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind CharleS_Murray, pokes CharleS_Murray repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:43.10 | DanzaDelMondo | ~poke Charles_Murray even |
| 21:43.10 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Charles_Murray even, pokes Charles_Murray even repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 21:58.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman Monet_2: https://youtu.be/m4-t3CcWCJg?t=146 |
| 21:59.15 | Monet_2 | No...nooo... NOOOOOH |
| 21:59.33 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:03.38 | ZF101 | Back. Did I miss anything wierd or important? |
| 22:04.50 | Hachiman | Not really |
| 22:07.17 | Monet_2 | I just realised something about the talk of a single planet being enough to supply a medium-sized empire |
| 22:07.34 | Monet_2 | You need *way* more than iron to build a modern warship |
| 22:08.36 | DrodoEmpire | True |
| 22:08.42 | Monet_2 | I think you'd also need a good deal of Titanium, copper (possibly) silicon, magnesium, gold, maybe a bit of silver, lithium. |
| 22:08.49 | DrodoEmpire | But you have *way* more than iron on your average planet |
| 22:09.01 | Monet_2 | That is also true. |
| 22:09.29 | DrodoEmpire | Still I imagine even "city-state" worlds would have small mining colonies on other worlds in the solar system |
| 22:09.34 | Monet_2 | And some to think of it the way planets form a lot of that material is going to be in the mantle |
| 22:09.51 | Ghelae | You could get those from asteroids and planetoids too. |
| 22:10.30 | Monet_2 | DrodoEmpire: I guess there's also the rate to which you can extract from a single deposit |
| 22:10.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:11.57 | Ghelae | With self-replicating technology you can have an exponential increase in extraction rate. Obviously you can't use all of the materials you extract to make new extractors, but using any nonzero proportion will do. |
| 22:14.39 | Monet_2 | That is if self-replicating technology is considered practical. |
| 22:14.44 | Monet_2 | costwise |
| 22:15.36 | Ghelae | In terms of R&D required to make it, or in terms of costs to produce the first replicator? |
| 22:16.00 | Monet_2 | Boith I guess |
| 22:16.19 | Monet_2 | Someone's got to fund the research |
| 22:16.43 | Ghelae | For the second case, it soon pays for itself: you only need to put work into building a single replicator, then it uses the available resources to build more. |
| 22:16.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman Monet_2: Remember what I said about Hunger Games architecture and fictionverse Empire of Man |
| 22:16.54 | DanzaDelMondo | Even if I never do it, it'll be a fancy pic |
| 22:17.20 | Ghelae | So for the cost of a single replicator, you can get a whole factory's worth of tech, and more. |
| 22:17.32 | Ghelae | R&D cost is a more valid point. |
| 22:18.51 | Ghelae | But it's essentially little more than a 3D printer, an assembly line, and the computer to run it, made out of 3D-printable parts. |
| 22:19.13 | Ghelae | Oh, and the stuff to convert raw materials into 3D-printable material. |
| 22:19.58 | Monet_2 | Therem ight be more than one built or designed, unless a monopoly is appealing |
| 22:24.00 | Monet_2 | I might be stretching things |
| 22:24.20 | Ghelae | What do you think you're stretching? |
| 22:24.36 | Monet_2 | Well a self-replicating extractor is something of a wonder-product. |
| 22:25.05 | Monet_2 | Just one version is a boon to society - but the economy doesn't work that way. If something is successful it gets imitators. |
| 22:25.19 | DanzaDelMondo | OH wait I actually forgot to show the pic |
| 22:25.36 | DanzaDelMondo | Hachiman Monet_2: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/29/Ragnabad.png/revision/latest?cb=20160211221506 |
| 22:26.13 | Monet_2 | Don't the Cyrannian Radeons have that sort of city? |
| 22:26.15 | Hachiman | Looks pretty good |
| 22:26.35 | Monet_2 | But other than that it does look impressive |
| 22:26.38 | Monet_2 | And indeed grand |
| 22:27.33 | DanzaDelMondo | Monet_2: >me >having any imagination whatsoever |
| 22:28.18 | Monet_2 | Huh? |
| 22:29.56 | Monet_2 | I feel like I crossed another line |
| 22:31.20 | Ghelae | No, I think he's being self-deprecating, rather than implying that you made any kind of insult. |
| 22:31.32 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah hur |
| 22:32.30 | Ghelae | And yes, once the technology to build self-replicators exists, there will most likely be more than one group that chooses to build them. |
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| 22:32.52 | DanzaDelMondo | But seriously though I'm not actually very imaginative |
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| 22:40.51 | Roboticking | Hello |
| 22:42.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 22:48.17 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: http://img1.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/furry-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-fursuit-916717.jpeg |
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| 23:03.02 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, do you have much time left? |
| 23:04.09 | OluapPlayer | Bit too late now |
| 23:05.16 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 23:05.18 | Technobliterator | Tomorrow? |
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| 23:25.51 | Wormy__ | Just finished printing and binding my 40 page Dissertation :D |
| 23:27.21 | DrodoEmpire | Oh good |
| 23:27.21 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 23:27.22 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.31 | The_Randomness | Wow! |
| 23:27.42 | DrodoEmpire | ...That's pretty great |
| 23:27.43 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 23:27.44 | The_Randomness | That sounds awesome |
| 23:28.42 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.22 | Wormy__ | It feels like I'm on the precipice of something. |
| 23:30.34 | DrodoEmpire | Wow |
| 23:30.35 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 23:30.36 | Technobliterator | :oo |
| 23:31.01 | Wormy__ | Thanks |
| 23:31.18 | Wormy__ | I'll have some time off this weekend, I could do fiction |
| 23:31.32 | DrodoEmpire | Okay cool |
| 23:34.01 | Technobliterator | Loron fiction plz |
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| 23:39.00 | Wormy__ | Definately |
| 23:39.36 | Wormy__ | bbl |
