| 00:00.08 | ImpyDroid | That is the kind of stuff I have in DA |
| 00:00.14 | ImpyDroid | Warning, NSFW |
| 00:00.15 | Technobliterator | I'm...not one to judge other people |
| 00:00.31 | Technobliterator | so I'll just, er, not look at any of this |
| 00:00.49 | ImpyDroid | It is not sexual |
| 00:00.51 | Monet | My favourites archive feels tame |
| 00:00.54 | ImpyDroid | You can take a look |
| 00:00.56 | Xho | That one is quite cool though |
| 00:01.30 | ImpyDroid | Yep |
| 00:01.53 | Monet | http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Wing-of-Mantra-545876554 this is from mine. |
| 00:02.14 | ImpyDroid | Xho: http://pre12.deviantart.net/416a/th/pre/f/2012/211/6/6/succubus_by_antarcticspring-d5835ov.jpg That is one of my favorites on DA |
| 00:02.36 | Xho | y u keep showin me dis one |
| 00:02.55 | ImpyDroid | I want to make someone like this for the Fantasyverse |
| 00:03.32 | Monet | I think I'm in a rather different part of DA to you. |
| 00:04.19 | ImpyDroid | You are in the Fancyverse |
| 00:04.32 | ImpyDroid | I spend a lot of time in the Creepyverse |
| 00:04.40 | Monet | http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/SpaceSpace-537230163 yeah I look at stuff like this too |
| 00:04.48 | Monet | Pro concept artists. |
| 00:05.12 | ImpyDroid | Xho: http://pre03.deviantart.net/7914/th/pre/i/2012/220/f/4/glump_by_tlishman-d5adh8p.jpg What do you think |
| 00:05.22 | Xho | Okay now thats slightly creepy |
| 00:05.26 | ImpyDroid | (again, NSFW) |
| 00:05.31 | ImpyDroid | >slightly |
| 00:05.38 | ImpyDroid | I managed to creep Xho |
| 00:06.49 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://pre10.deviantart.net/91ef/th/pre/i/2013/051/b/2/grindemon3d_by_aliengine-d5vic50.jpg Imagine if Red Skull looked like that |
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| 00:07.19 | Monet | No eyes |
| 00:07.28 | Tybusen | Ok |
| 00:07.36 | Monet | That's creepy |
| 00:07.36 | Monet | Hello |
| 00:07.40 | Tybusen | gouges out his eyes |
| 00:07.52 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 00:07.54 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 00:08.02 | Xho | That's pretty cool though |
| 00:08.16 | Xho | I just don't like the fleshiness of the other one |
| 00:09.57 | ImpyDroid | Xho and I found a common interest in creepy art |
| 00:12.02 | ImpyDroid | Seriously though I want to make a scary succubus like that one on the srt |
| 00:12.19 | ImpyDroid | They should not all be pretty |
| 00:12.23 | ImpyDroid | *art |
| 00:13.45 | Tybusen | Isn't the point of a succubus to be extremely attractive and alluring though |
| 00:13.57 | ImpyDroid | She can project such an appearance |
| 00:14.01 | Tybusen | Though I guess a scary succubus would be what a succubus looks like when it drops its cover |
| 00:14.08 | ImpyDroid | Then it breaks and bam you are fucking a zombie |
| 00:15.25 | ImpyDroid | It could be an old or cursed succubus or something |
| 00:16.03 | ImpyDroid | Actually wait here is an idea |
| 00:16.15 | ImpyDroid | Succubus burns her body or is otherwise disfigured |
| 00:16.31 | ImpyDroid | Agrees to a pact with Caligaduro to have her beauty back |
| 00:16.51 | ImpyDroid | He instead warps her further into a fucking monster while providing her with a glamour |
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| 00:18.14 | Wormy_ | Just finished a full day of CSS code. Fun... Not |
| 00:18.53 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 00:18.55 | ImpyDroid | Xho? |
| 00:19.02 | Xho | Caligaduro - lol |
| 00:19.52 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:21.00 | Monet | THe mroe I read about the life of a game programmer the more I wonder if these peopel who dream fo a simpler time may have a point. |
| 00:21.25 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 00:24.23 | Monet | I just read one article that describes the finalling phase as being a lot like childbirth: There's a lot of pain, frustration, screaming and you'll ant to tear your hair out. But the end result is an icky but ultimately lovely miracle of creation. |
| 00:26.56 | Monet | I mean seriously I have a newfound enthusiasm for the concept of celebrating the end of a long project. |
| 00:44.25 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/BTVRnV4 |
| 00:44.40 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:48.17 | Wormy_ | Monet: Celebrate it with a few pints |
| 00:58.46 | Monet | Or a movie. |
| 00:58.56 | Monet | But pints are a godo option. |
| 00:59.46 | Monet | good* |
| 01:00.06 | Wormy_ | Goodnight |
| 01:18.27 | Monet | Feels funny: I make the Imeprium an emprie that focuses on its own and I think the most successful game of Starcraft I played I palyed turtle |
| 01:21.47 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:22.25 | Monet | I guess the strategy fits me like a glove |
| 01:22.47 | Monet | "consilidate to conquer" |
| 01:23.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:30.34 | Monet | Goodnight |
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| 02:36.19 | DrodoEmpire2 | Contact me here for the time being |
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| 09:09.20 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 09:22.58 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 09:26.48 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 10:52.02 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:53.18 | Wormydroid | hi |
| 10:53.24 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:59.27 | Wormydroid | Admiral Kirk will face his most challenging stardate yet, at the Eastenders planet http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/star-trek/news/a781254/even-william-shatner-has-heard-of-peggy-mitchell-and-the-eastenders-boss-jokes-he-could-be-her-final-fling/ |
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| 11:26.03 | Wormydroid | hi |
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| 11:30.06 | AdmiralPanda | hi oruap |
| 11:30.52 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 11:33.30 | Wormydroid | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/d6GXlOZ.jpg |
| 11:36.44 | Wormydroid | http://i.imgur.com/GxPxn6C.jpg |
| 11:40.18 | Wormydroid | http://i.imgur.com/7yB7YlF.jpg |
| 11:43.15 | Imperios | Wormy: BAKLAJAN IS THE ONLY TRUE MOTHERLAND NAME FOR THIS GLORIOUS VEGETABLE |
| 11:43.21 | Imperios | TOTALLY NOT STOLEN FROM TURKS |
| 11:44.21 | Imperios | and yes, foul instant tea |
| 11:44.43 | Imperios | Wormydroid: Are teabags considered to be the normal way of brewing tea in the UK? |
| 11:47.57 | Wormydroid | Normally, yes |
| 11:48.16 | Wormydroid | in the average household |
| 11:48.40 | Wormydroid | But I'd be very disappointed at a cafe if someone served me tea with a bag |
| 11:49.07 | AdmiralPanda | that's why they brew it behind the bar :P |
| 11:49.33 | Wormydroid | Its often served in a big beaker with a filter |
| 11:49.45 | Wormydroid | If its a proper cafe, not some crappy one |
| 11:51.13 | Wormydroid | Yes, if you are going cheapo, expect tea bags in a plasticated cardboard cup |
| 11:54.25 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/Eerynvy.jpg choose your snek |
| 11:55.27 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 11:56.07 | Wormydroid | http://imgur.com/gallery/sANt1so |
| 11:59.53 | Wormydroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.36 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Wait, is there a gaseous snake |
| 12:00.47 | OluapPlayer | There isn't |
| 12:00.55 | OluapPlayer | Hence "not a gas" |
| 12:02.24 | AdmiralPanda | Wormydroid: The lack of timtams and fairy bread is disappointing |
| 12:04.42 | Wormydroid | Though it was missing something. |
| 12:04.59 | Wormydroid | dog steals from tiger http://imgur.com/gallery/xjVXNw8 |
| 12:20.27 | Wormydroid | We don't have Timtams, but we do have penguin bars so I replicated timtam challenge to great effect |
| 12:20.54 | Wormydroid | *Tim Tam Slam |
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| 13:04.00 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 13:05.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 13:16.04 | OluapPlayer | ~throw Cyrannian |
| 13:16.04 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
| 13:31.19 | Cyrannian | ~destroy OluapPlayer |
| 13:31.19 | infobot | no |
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| 14:30.40 | Imperios | Wormydroid: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1453989793023.jpg |
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| 14:44.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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| 15:21.20 | Wormydroid | Imperios: Saw him on Jeremy Kyle |
| 15:23.19 | Wormydroid | Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fyp2baH6iA |
| 15:24.06 | Imperios | gr8 |
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| 16:09.27 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 16:19.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 16:39.12 | Imperios | Cyrannian OluapPlayer: http://nerdist.com/disney-princesses-as-velociraptors-make-the-world-a-much-better-place/?gallery=267113#gallery |
| 16:40.13 | Cyrannian | hur |
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| 16:46.10 | OluapPlayer | How random |
| 16:50.10 | drom | Wormydroid Ghelae: http://i.imgur.com/nGBOgOr.jpg |
| 16:51.32 | Wormydroid | Cause of death: flooffocation |
| 16:52.11 | drom | Hachiman: Playing SS13 again, the current station is named "Pizza Death-trap Delta" |
| 16:52.37 | drom | Wormydroid: http://i.imgur.com/GxDdCtl.jpg |
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| 17:07.41 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Aoirtae - Updates, c |
| 17:19.17 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Woom woom |
| 17:19.59 | Cyrannian | Did you install SWTOR yet? |
| 17:27.03 | Technobliterator | oh yeah, I need to do that |
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| 18:08.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 18:39.37 | Cyrannian | Very quiet day |
| 18:41.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 18:45.07 | drom | Hachiman: Be a mothman security officer. I get a PDA-message from one of the chemists saying that moths aren't people. |
| 18:45.37 | drom | What I do? I do to his criminal records and add "Racism" as a major offense. Then set an arrest warranty on him. |
| 18:55.48 | Hachiman | olol |
| 18:55.52 | Hachiman | But he is right |
| 18:56.04 | Hachiman | Moths are not people; they are fucking monsters and lower lifeforms |
| 19:07.21 | Imperios | drom: http://i.imgur.com/QeEcsdn.png So I tried to make an Arkham/Polandball crossover |
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| 19:30.38 | drom | Imperios: Idk why but those remind me of the sand people in the old SW triology |
| 19:30.48 | Imperios | That's supposed to be Scarecrow |
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| 19:35.31 | drom | Hachiman: The irony is that the guy who told me that was a lizardman |
| 19:35.40 | Hachiman | olol |
| 19:39.24 | Imperios | Hachiman drom: Speaking of which |
| 19:39.48 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnkUiY12K0 This is fucking hilarious |
| 19:48.54 | Imperios | Cyrannian: "humanity is a lie the is only reptilians through reptilians we gain the queen through the queen we gain Obama through Obama we gain leafy through leafy our chains are broken the reptilian brotherhood shall set us free" |
| 19:49.12 | drom | Hachiman: Midst the choas, the HOS hung himself |
| 19:49.52 | Cyrannian | praise |
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| 19:59.31 | Wormydroid | Drom Just been on a 5 km speed session, and then a hill run |
| 20:02.46 | drom | Nice |
| 20:03.04 | drom | This evening I've gobbled down half a bread and two donuts |
| 20:03.19 | drom | #americanwaytohealth |
| 20:08.11 | Wormydroid | Or debt |
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| 20:12.48 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 20:13.05 | LuxorHere | Good evening |
| 20:13.06 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 20:20.24 | Xho | I have returned from that indeterminate oblivion |
| 20:20.39 | OluapPlayer | spu the awful |
| 20:20.47 | Xho | y u do dis |
| 20:20.59 | OluapPlayer | cus u |
| 20:24.04 | Xho | OluapPlayer: You talking about Vekaron's crew becoming Penumbrans afterwards, Kamaris would certainly take up that role |
| 20:25.29 | OluapPlayer | Kamaris - colossal penumbran slash horse |
| 20:25.41 | Xho | Hez - wtf |
| 20:25.58 | Xho | I really need to remake Kamaris |
| 20:26.56 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12642680_1671489423099536_2285842142836941710_n.jpg?oh=de30d695433f0a08fffcd5cbe20890fc&oe=57394F17 |
| 20:26.57 | OluapPlayer | u need to work on Dragon Speaker that's wat |
| 20:27.02 | OluapPlayer | Did you say you were also going to update the Tandava? |
| 20:27.08 | LuxorHere | What's the present year in FU? I know it's around ~2800 but I'd need year in NE |
| 20:27.12 | OluapPlayer | Didn't* |
| 20:27.17 | Xho | Oh yes |
| 20:28.03 | Xho | LuxorHere: Well it's 2813 in the current year, so 17 NE |
| 20:28.11 | Xho | I dunno whether Cyrannian is going by a different date though |
| 20:28.16 | Xho | The calendar is somewhat defunct now |
| 20:28.23 | Imperios | Xho: Little *guys*? |
| 20:28.29 | LuxorHere | thanks |
| 20:28.32 | Xho | Imperios: get rekt ruskie |
| 20:28.42 | Imperios | No I mean why is there a guy |
| 20:28.44 | Imperios | And not a little girl |
| 20:28.47 | Xho | GET REKT RUSKIE |
| 20:28.52 | Xho | GENDER EQUALITY 2016 |
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| 20:29.18 | LuxorHere | 1226-Teutonic Order arrives in Poland |
| 20:29.30 | Xho | Imperios: "He's genderfluid" |
| 20:29.31 | LuxorHere | 2015-Refugees land in Germany |
| 20:29.37 | OluapPlayer | It's around 07 NE at Cyrannus atm |
| 20:29.50 | LuxorHere | Thanks again |
| 20:29.52 | OluapPlayer | So you were out by just 10 years |
| 20:30.02 | LuxorHere | Perhaps |
| 20:30.04 | Xho | Right |
| 20:30.12 | Imperios | LuxorHere: Get ready for refugees hur |
| 20:30.18 | Xho | Tek's calendar is no longer accurate then |
| 20:30.19 | LuxorHere | Crap no, I'm in Polan |
| 20:30.32 | LuxorHere | 2 years since I visited this wiki for the first time |
| 20:30.48 | LuxorHere | And I've been actually doing anything there for not more than 3 months |
| 20:30.55 | Cyrannian | Hi Luxor |
| 20:30.59 | LuxorHere | I'm a very lazy person |
| 20:31.04 | LuxorHere | Cyrannian, good to see you |
| 20:31.14 | Xho | Currently it's Aug 11 2813 on the calendar and Novemex 17 NE |
| 20:31.18 | Xho | dat borked calendar |
| 20:31.28 | Cyrannian | And I'm sure Tek's calendar is accurate for the other systems |
| 20:31.29 | Imperios | LuxorHere: Oh yes the Polandreich hur |
| 20:31.47 | LuxorHere | meh |
| 20:31.50 | Xho | Most fiction is still stuck somewhere between 2800 - 2811 though |
| 20:32.01 | LuxorHere | not a problem |
| 20:32.05 | Imperios | No I am not judging you, it is your right to be right |
| 20:32.10 | Xho | rite 2 b rite |
| 20:32.25 | LuxorHere | I'll propably be wandering aroun for 2 more months and disappear once again |
| 20:32.26 | Imperios | Or far-right but I think Poles are not that right-wing yet |
| 20:32.32 | Imperios | Hungary though |
| 20:32.44 | Xho | I think Poland is getting further right wing |
| 20:32.47 | LuxorHere | Schulz said that Poland is 'Putinized' |
| 20:32.52 | Xho | All the Polish guys I know are strongly homophobic |
| 20:33.04 | Imperios | Poles hate three things |
| 20:33.09 | Imperios | Russians, gays and Muslims |
| 20:33.20 | LuxorHere | I hate politics in my country, crappy fags who lost election thought that fighting for power in country is a good idea if disputed in european parliament |
| 20:33.28 | OluapPlayer | The former two overlap cus imp's a fagit |
| 20:33.29 | LuxorHere | And Deutschwolk, Imperios |
| 20:33.35 | Xho | A gay Russian Muslim would cause a Pole to implode |
| 20:33.37 | Imperios | Yes them too |
| 20:33.42 | Imperios | I know a few people who are two of this three |
| 20:33.48 | Imperios | But unfortunately not gay Russian Muslims |
| 20:33.53 | Imperios | Though I am sure there are some |
| 20:34.03 | AdmiralPanda | know a gay german ex-muslim, does that count? |
| 20:34.05 | AdmiralPanda | I* |
| 20:34.17 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Do you think I should write Kamaris' page as if he was a Penumbran or still an associate |
| 20:34.21 | LuxorHere | Yes it does |
| 20:34.25 | LuxorHere | ufortunately |
| 20:34.35 | LuxorHere | un**, gosh I hate my keyboard. |
| 20:34.38 | OluapPlayer | Well, the fiction where he becomes a Penumbran didn't happen yet |
| 20:35.18 | OluapPlayer | You don't know when, why, how and if it happens |
| 20:36.18 | Xho | Kamaris - i cant see da futur or anything |
| 20:40.20 | Xho | It's Aug 12 2813 now |
| 20:40.22 | Xho | how time flies |
| 20:41.35 | LuxorHere | I think that uploading png file containing creature created with dark injection is rather not a good idea. |
| 20:41.46 | LuxorHere | ...so I just won't do that. |
| 20:46.18 | Xho | It is doable |
| 20:46.39 | Hachiman | Most of our creatures use Dark Injection |
| 20:46.42 | Hachiman | And they are fine |
| 20:50.28 | drom | You just cannot upload them directly to Sporepedia however |
| 20:50.39 | LuxorHere | png is not showing. |
| 20:50.44 | LuxorHere | >:[ |
| 20:54.27 | drom | Hachiman Imperios: How do you insult people who are slender/thin? |
| 20:54.34 | Imperios | Stick |
| 20:54.40 | Hachiman | Call them anorexic or bulimic |
| 20:54.51 | Hachiman | Compare them to a concentration camper |
| 20:55.13 | Hachiman | Say they look like they came straight out of Auschwitz |
| 20:55.23 | Hachiman | And deserved to stay there |
| 20:56.04 | drom | The joke is so dark it was shot in the head with three warning bullets |
| 20:56.19 | Imperios | Speaking of Auschwitz |
| 20:56.23 | Xho | :c |
| 20:56.25 | Imperios | Call them Muslims |
| 20:56.38 | Hachiman | kek |
| 20:57.23 | Imperios | Auschwitz inmates called the most emanciated prisoners "Muslims" because of the rags they wore (resembling turbans) and their desperate situation |
| 20:57.35 | Imperios | (Muslims having a strong belief in fate and all that) |
| 20:57.57 | drom | Hachiman Imperios: For reference, a cousin to me jealously called me a fatty for snapchatting him a bag of 10 donuts. Of which I don't really plan to eat all. |
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| 20:58.18 | Imperios | Say he is fat-shaming you |
| 20:58.21 | drom | Knowing him, he is also a lazy slacker and likes to gobble sweeties like me. But I decided to hit the other side. |
| 20:58.41 | Imperios | Complain about the patriarchy setting unfair standards on your body |
| 20:58.43 | Imperios | Say you are body positive |
| 20:58.48 | Imperios | Go on Tumblr |
| 20:58.48 | Imperios | Rant |
| 20:58.54 | drom | Probably. |
| 20:59.38 | AdmiralPanda | because ranting on Tumblr always works |
| 20:59.45 | drom | One thing he is worse than me though, eating veggies. |
| 21:00.53 | Imperios | You're in Sweden hur |
| 21:00.56 | Imperios | Speaking of which |
| 21:01.27 | Imperios | drom: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35425735 What the- |
| 21:01.58 | Xho | Europe's had enough of the European bullshit and have decided to tell desperate people to fuck off |
| 21:02.13 | Xho | Should've seen the law the Danish just passed |
| 21:02.30 | drom | Well. Same situation in the Balkans |
| 21:02.30 | Xho | They now have the right to take away items of refugees as payment for asylum |
| 21:02.35 | drom | but the massmedia just doesn't care |
| 21:02.46 | drom | because Balkan is "too shit to be covered" |
| 21:03.47 | drom | Apparently in Turkey, there are 2 million migrants. |
| 21:04.01 | drom | Yet the mass media doesn't even pay attention to it |
| 21:05.48 | drom | ugh my head hurts from all this shit |
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| 21:07.35 | drom | Monet Xho Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/GxDdCtl.jpg |
| 21:07.44 | Xho | snow floofs |
| 21:09.09 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 21:10.41 | Imperios | Hi Tybu |
| 21:10.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:12.46 | Wormy_away | Migrant crisis is becoming such a huge controversey in Europe. When sea level rise forces millions in South East Asia into heavily populated countries in the region, there is going to be a lot of social trouble if there are no to adapt human habitation as much as possible or test possible geoengineering strategies. |
| 21:13.00 | Wormy_away | *are no plans to |
| 21:14.09 | Monet | I don't know what ot think on this migrant crisis |
| 21:14.36 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.53 | Monet | "Sure let's help these poor refugees find homes and jobs while the fist-time buyers of our native population is pretty-much forced to rent these days and every job asks for prior experience." |
| 21:16.09 | Xho | Understandable |
| 21:16.23 | Xho | How can we help these people if our own population is fucked up |
| 21:16.37 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.28 | AdmiralPanda | a lot of people over here like to forget that most of Australia is uninhabitable |
| 21:18.03 | AdmiralPanda | sure, we're a land of red-gold plains, but those plains are also so hot and dry that you can't maintain a settlement there without pumping water from a major city |
| 21:18.08 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.16 | Xho | It's going that way |
| 21:18.38 | Xho | I won't be surprised if they do a man-created virus and just cull the population |
| 21:18.44 | Xho | I don't think that's below the UK government |
| 21:19.15 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.35 | Hachiman | Considering the government is bombing their children on their home turf |
| 21:20.14 | Monet | Sure they could release a man-made virus if they wanted to guarentee no one reelecting them in 2020. |
| 21:20.17 | Ghelae | It's not a secret why house prices are so high: builders keep supply low compared to demand so that they can charge more. |
| 21:20.41 | Xho | Hence totalitarian regime |
| 21:20.46 | Xho | V for Vendetta everywhere, people |
| 21:21.07 | Wormy_away | Speaking of virus, this Zika virus sounds terrifying. |
| 21:21.53 | Imperios | I wonder why we can't do anything with asylum seekers |
| 21:22.08 | Ghelae | Although ironically the common people often help them. Around my home village, any time a new housing estate is proposed the council tries to get it denied, then there are appeals and re-appeals, so the whole process is drawn-out even before building begins. |
| 21:22.10 | Imperios | WE could accept them and then throw them somewhere in Siberia or something |
| 21:22.16 | Imperios | We have a lot of places to settle |
| 21:22.24 | Monet | Ghelae: Yeah honestly I wonder if a hint of authoritarianism is needed. |
| 21:23.24 | Ghelae | i.e. the government should force builders to build more? |
| 21:23.43 | Xho | Imperios: Somewhere actually habitable |
| 21:24.04 | Monet | Ghelae: Or price ceilings on new houses. |
| 21:24.05 | Imperios | That is where climate change comes into picture |
| 21:24.38 | Monet | I'm glad I moved to Kent, the prices in oxfordshire were reaching £350K for a semi-detached house! |
| 21:24.49 | Ghelae | That could also work. Then I wonder what ramifications that might have for the rest of the market. |
| 21:27.16 | Wormy_away | We need to stop corporations like Tesco buying land and never using it. |
| 21:28.05 | Hachiman | Tesco's infrastructure is gradually falling apart anyway |
| 21:28.10 | Hachiman | They have over-extended themselves |
| 21:28.19 | Wormy_away | I don't know how that could work, but it would save more greenbelts, it would create living spaces, more places to open up new businesses, etc. |
| 21:28.45 | Xho | Did Tesco not play Fallout New Vegas |
| 21:29.23 | Wormy_away | My town sucessfully fought Tesco for years |
| 21:29.39 | Cyrannian | http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/09/04/eu-erect-diversion-signs-to-the-us-to-help-stem-flow-of-migrants/ |
| 21:30.03 | Monet | I am somewhat glad Tesco's been bitten in the arse. |
| 21:31.02 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.41 | Monet | Migrants arrive in the south of France, Cyprus, Greece, but continue on to places like Germany, Sweden and the UK. |
| 21:32.48 | Wormy_away | Morrisons is dying too |
| 21:32.49 | Cyrannian | I'd say a lot of it is to do with distance, either that or the "European dream" has replaced the "American dream" |
| 21:33.33 | Monet | I think it might be the latter. |
| 21:33.55 | Monet | And Europe might seem more utopian - better social medicine, free healthcare, better attitude to migrants. |
| 21:35.01 | Cyrannian | true |
| 21:35.48 | Monet | Though I am not sure what's worse. The humanitarian issue itself, or mass media's exploitation of the humanitarian issue to get lcicks and sell papers. |
| 21:35.59 | Wormy_away | I don't know about Syria, but for many places in the Middle East, and a bit beyond that, don't forget the hatred of the US. |
| 21:36.10 | Hachiman | >better attitude to migrants |
| 21:36.10 | Hachiman | That is swiftly changing |
| 21:36.38 | Hachiman | >better attitude to migrants |
| 21:36.40 | Hachiman | That is swiftly changing |
| 21:36.57 | Monet | Hachiman: America has long been rather unsure about migrants for the past century. |
| 21:37.08 | Wormy_away | And same for Russia really |
| 21:37.18 | Hachiman | Which is dumb because modern America consists of the descendants of migrants |
| 21:37.46 | Monet | That rarely seems to matter from what I can tell. |
| 21:37.58 | Cyrannian | I liked it when Obama said that the only people who have the right to complain about immigrants are the Native Americans |
| 21:38.11 | Xho | get trolled murica |
| 21:38.37 | Monet | Though what I find funny is news that the number of people bor nin America who can pass the citizenship test is going down. |
| 21:39.46 | Monet | http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-26/imiigrant-civics-test-americans-fail/54563612/1 |
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| 21:41.19 | Zf101 | Hello everyone. |
| 21:41.24 | Monet | hello |
| 21:41.29 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 21:41.44 | Monet | I just did the test on that USA Today questionnaire and got 8/10 |
| 21:43.45 | Wormy_away | The first question about taxes is an American myth. America was the least of the taxed colonies. They wanted representation because they wanted to raise taxes. |
| 21:45.21 | Wormy_away | Still, thats not going to go down well if I tried to nauralise myself. |
| 21:46.02 | Monet | I thought it was because despite being British citizens, being colonials meant that they had no say in what could be imposed upon their homes |
| 21:47.28 | Monet | Though apparently 8% of people on the USA Today survey weren't aware Obama was a democrat. |
| 21:47.45 | Monet | There's like a 50-50 chance which party he's in. |
| 21:47.53 | Wormy_away | I got 10/10 anyway |
| 21:48.47 | Tybusen | Monet: TBF the modern American Democratic party is closer to the pre-Reagan Republicans than they are to FDR Democrats |
| 21:49.12 | Imperios | Wormy_away: Russia's stance on migrants is strange |
| 21:49.27 | AdmiralPanda | since America is a republic technically all Americans are republicans :P |
| 21:49.37 | Cyrannian | http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/06/12/america-officially-names-the-middle-east-problemistan/ |
| 21:49.38 | Imperios | There is a LOT of Russians that outright hate them, but they also hate everyone else hur |
| 21:49.39 | Monet | I flopped because I thought the 1880 war was the Persian Gulf (I must have been thinking of the SPanish-American war) and I thought it was Calvin Coolage who was president during WWI. |
| 21:50.56 | Tybusen | AdmiralPanda: If you want to get technical, America is a democratic republic, so all Americans are democratic-republicans, which was the predecessor of the modern Democratic party |
| 21:51.15 | Tybusen | Monet: There wasn't a major war in 1880, so I don't know |
| 21:51.20 | AdmiralPanda | Tybusen: Even better |
| 21:51.34 | Monet | Tybusen: The test says it was the Civil War. |
| 21:51.52 | Tybusen | Civil War was 1860, so maybe it's a typo |
| 21:51.52 | Wormy_away | Here's where I heard the criticism of the American's idea of Independence. Note: It was a British documentary. https://youtu.be/WdqqfGmXsAw?t=4m55s |
| 21:52.09 | Cyrannian | It's also an independent country, so all Americans are democratic-republican independents. |
| 21:52.10 | AdmiralPanda | America is independent primarily of common sense |
| 21:52.18 | AdmiralPanda | Cyrannian: it gets even better! |
| 21:52.35 | Monet | "Name one war foguht in the united states in the 1800s" my bad |
| 21:52.45 | AdmiralPanda | now if only there was a historical reference of the ocean being called a bench |
| 21:52.54 | Tybusen | I think there was a recent study that found that most Americans actually hold socialist or social democratic views but we're so socially conditioned against the word "socialist" to realize it |
| 21:52.56 | AdmiralPanda | and they'd be democratic-republican independent cross-benchers |
| 21:53.15 | Tybusen | AdmiralPanda: I assume cross-bencher is an Australian political term or something? |
| 21:53.38 | Monet | Wormy_away:Panorama aside, I find British documentaries to be fairly accurate. |
| 21:53.51 | Wormy_away | indeed |
| 21:53.52 | AdmiralPanda | Tybusen: on some votes members of parties are allowed to make a conscience vote, so they don't have to support their party. Someone who does that is called a cross-bencher |
| 21:54.00 | Wormy_away | Horizon is the best |
| 21:54.05 | Tybusen | Ah |
| 21:54.14 | Tybusen | I don't know what the equivalent term for that in America is |
| 21:54.15 | Monet | Panorama's..odd. It calls itself a documentary series but sometiems it veers on tabloid sensationalism. |
| 21:54.40 | Tybusen | Though based on the current political environment, I think that "cross-bencher" would translate into "traitor" :U |
| 21:54.55 | AdmiralPanda | they are of course called cross benchers because they cross the physical bench ot make a vote |
| 21:55.18 | Monet | The cold War's over America. You won. Now learn why EUrope is better at healthcare. |
| 21:55.24 | Tybusen | I guess the equivalent term in the US would be "voting against the party line" |
| 21:55.41 | Tybusen | Monet: but muh capitalism |
| 21:55.52 | Monet | That's the slightly wierd thing |
| 21:55.57 | Cyrannian | Wormy_away: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/01/20/i-just-make-shit-up-to-get-into-the-papers-stephen-hawking/ |
| 21:56.41 | Monet | Europe was under the eternal fear of getting occupied by Russia and yet "communist" isn't an evil word here. |
| 21:56.47 | Tybusen | A lot of Americans don't realize that there's already a shitton of socialism for the wealthy and corporations, and that a little more socialism for the working and middle classes would actually make us a better capitalist country |
| 21:56.57 | Monet | Though in EUrope's case, we shared a border. |
| 21:57.13 | Tybusen | Yeah that's odd isn't it |
| 21:57.33 | Tybusen | Europe was far more vulnerable to the threat of communism yet they didn't come to have a kneejerk reaction against it |
| 21:57.43 | Wormy_away | So yeah Monet is right about that |
| 21:57.55 | AdmiralPanda | America: Land of kneejerks. And Jerks. And probably knees as well. |
| 21:58.06 | Tybusen | This is why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders |
| 21:58.07 | Monet | Might have been because those shared borders might have allowed for some bleeedthrough. |
| 21:58.20 | Cyrannian | feeel the bern |
| 21:58.33 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Might also be that being so close, they got a better idea of what they were actually dealing with, and weren't so bothered |
| 21:59.03 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Maybe. |
| 21:59.41 | AdmiralPanda | just like when a bunch of radicals in Jakarta declared they were forming their own IS, we kinda just laughed |
| 21:59.51 | AdmiralPanda | so far they have a 0-5 KD btw :P |
| 22:00.12 | Monet | There was a joke in a 1980s episode of Sppiting Image where Russia called in advisors from england's Winscale Nuclear Power Station to help sort out Chernobyl and they had one suggestion: Change the name to Sellafield. |
| 22:00.33 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Allahu failbar |
| 22:00.56 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: Quite literally, the five were in the back of a van trying to build a bomb and they blew themselves up |
| 22:01.09 | Imperios | Ohgod |
| 22:01.27 | Imperios | Or rather |
| 22:01.28 | Imperios | Astaghfirullah |
| 22:02.46 | Cyrannian | Tybusen: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/01/26/sanders-destroys-clinton-in-epic-lip-sync-battle/ |
| 22:02.48 | Imperios | Tybusen: I dunno, Bernie seems a little bit shifty to me |
| 22:03.23 | Tybusen | Imperios: He's probably literally the least shifty candidate in the race right now |
| 22:04.06 | Imperios | Yes but I think two presidents with very similar agendas/views would be too much |
| 22:04.12 | Imperios | Too much liberal that is |
| 22:04.22 | Monet | I find it funny that thanks to Donald Buildawall Trump, the progress of the Democratic candidate elections has been practically invisible. |
| 22:04.39 | Imperios | I mean look at us |
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| 22:04.48 | Imperios | That is what happens when a party stays in power for too long |
| 22:04.53 | Imperios | We happen |
| 22:04.57 | Imperios | Also |
| 22:05.03 | Tybusen | Bernie is definitely different from Obama |
| 22:05.04 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: Actually, one of Australia's best periods was when we had the same Prime Minister for 17-odd years |
| 22:05.06 | Wormydroid | Did anyone post anything to me? |
| 22:05.11 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Bernie_Sanders.jpg I dunno but this guy looks shifty as fuck |
| 22:05.19 | Tybusen | Bernie is pretty far to the left of Obama, and Obama's more of a centrist |
| 22:05.20 | Imperios | I mean look at this smile |
| 22:06.18 | Wormydroid | We need Bernie for US, Corbyn for UK to bring on glorious revolution |
| 22:06.30 | Imperios | NOOOOO |
| 22:06.40 | Imperios | NOT AGAIN |
| 22:06.43 | Imperios | NOT AGAAAAIN |
| 22:07.01 | Wormydroid | Lol |
| 22:07.06 | Monet | I think Bernie looks friendly. |
| 22:07.09 | Tybusen | And we did get Trudeau in Canada, hopefully he'll keep up with the revolution |
| 22:07.22 | Imperios | Many Russians actually hate communism nowadays, so we'll be fighting against the CommieWest |
| 22:07.23 | Monet | Then again this is the first time I've seen Bernie Sanders' face. |
| 22:07.47 | Wormydroid | Indeed |
| 22:07.47 | Imperios | He looks like the Jewish version of Doctor Mengele |
| 22:07.53 | Tybusen | Monet: That's been one of the biggest obstacles Bernie's been facing. A lot of Americans still don't know who he is |
| 22:08.07 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Josef_Mengele.jpg Look at his smile |
| 22:08.11 | Imperios | Now compare it with Sanders |
| 22:08.13 | Monet | Whoopslol! |
| 22:08.17 | AdmiralPanda | the only people who like communism nowadays are the leaders of communist governments :P |
| 22:08.31 | Monet | Bernie - I'm decent. :) *cameras turn away* :( |
| 22:08.34 | Imperios | GRORIOUS |
| 22:08.35 | Imperios | READER |
| 22:08.42 | AdmiralPanda | I mean hell, every guy in North Korea has to have the same shitty haircut |
| 22:08.57 | Monet | Mengele looks like he has lazy eye. |
| 22:09.13 | Imperios | Monet: The Angel of Derpth |
| 22:09.31 | Tybusen | Imperios: If you don't like the smile, here's an alternate pic of Bernie: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150429103538-bernie-sanders-gallery-photo-5-super-169.jpg |
| 22:10.30 | Imperios | He looks a bit like Ariel Sharon |
| 22:10.34 | Imperios | I think |
| 22:11.49 | Imperios | Okay this guy believes in workplace democracy |
| 22:11.54 | Imperios | That is actually very awesome |
| 22:13.06 | Imperios | Mostly because I believe that's one of the few viable methods to implement socialism |
| 22:13.26 | Imperios | Some part of me actually wants Trump to win |
| 22:13.34 | Imperios | Just because it would be funny to watch him |
| 22:13.44 | Imperios | Also he is bro with Russians |
| 22:14.11 | Wormydroid | I know the feel |
| 22:14.24 | Cyrannian | Yeah, I find that weird given his "rawr foreigners" support base |
| 22:14.50 | Wormydroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.01 | OluapPlayer | You know society has a problem when people actively want a clown to be their leader |
| 22:15.04 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Right wing bro |
| 22:15.04 | Tybusen | I feel like Trump probably thinks "foreigners" is anyone who doesn't have white skin |
| 22:15.24 | AdmiralPanda | not as bad as the sheer amount of donkey votes down here |
| 22:15.32 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWeBunPiIzo Hitler was right |
| 22:15.32 | Imperios | Which is actually funny because Putin is actually quite anti-racist |
| 22:15.46 | Imperios | Xho: Already saw that |
| 22:15.48 | Imperios | It is fucking hilarious |
| 22:15.51 | Xho | HITLER WAS RIGHT |
| 22:16.00 | Imperios | But |
| 22:16.07 | Imperios | Hitler was an otherkin himself |
| 22:16.14 | Imperios | Look at how many things he called "wolf-something" |
| 22:16.27 | Imperios | His base was literally called "Werewolf" |
| 22:16.34 | AdmiralPanda | to be fair, who wouldn't name things after wolves |
| 22:16.38 | AdmiralPanda | wolves are awesome |
| 22:16.43 | Imperios | His name literally means "noble wolf" |
| 22:16.57 | AdmiralPanda | also Germany as a whole had a thing with wolves iirc |
| 22:16.58 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Well yeah but Hitler was like a Space Wolf |
| 22:17.47 | Hachiman | >Hitler |
| 22:17.50 | Hachiman | >Space Wolf |
| 22:17.58 | Hachiman | Absolutely wrong |
| 22:18.05 | Imperios | I mean how many things did he call wolf |
| 22:18.20 | Hachiman | Hitler was a warmonger true but he was a coward first and foremost |
| 22:18.32 | Tybusen | On one hand I don't want to make fun of otherkin since it's kinda similar to how transgender people feel (which is a legitimate psychological thing) but on the other hand I can't help but think that otherkin are people just playing into the whole "trendy genders" thing |
| 22:18.38 | Cyrannian | Turned to another tab for about thirty seconds, conversation evolved from Trump to Space Wolf Hitler |
| 22:18.39 | Imperios | Otherkin are weird |
| 22:18.56 | Monet | He Cyrannian: Godwin's Law proven once again. |
| 22:19.00 | OluapPlayer | This entire IRC must be purged |
| 22:19.16 | OluapPlayer | Exterminatius up dis ho |
| 22:19.16 | Imperios | GAS THE SPOREWIKI |
| 22:19.23 | OluapPlayer | Exterminatus even |
| 22:19.30 | Wormydroid | It is cheaper to fly to Berlin going from Sheffield to Essex than doing so just travelling over land according to the latest news |
| 22:19.57 | Monet | Tybusen: There is an uncommon but real psychological phenomenon where peopel feel like they are transforming into different animals. |
| 22:20.35 | Imperios | Monet: I find it funny that white supremacists and right-wingers worship Putin so much when his minister of defense looks like this https://www.pnp.ru/upload/uploaded_image/2015-12-16/shoygu-1_716bd7.jpg |
| 22:20.40 | Imperios | Minister of Defense even |
| 22:21.10 | Tybusen | Monet: Yeah, I don't want to make fun of people who have legitimate psychological conditions, but I feel like a lot of otherkin you see are the kind of young Tumblr user who is just trying to stand out with a "unique gender identity" or some shit |
| 22:21.36 | Tybusen | Which in turn makes it hard to feel sympathy with the ones who have legitimate identity issues because it's hard to tell them apart |
| 22:21.57 | Hachiman | Otherkin are all fucking fake |
| 22:22.03 | Xho | I'm otherkin |
| 22:22.06 | Wormydroid | I think Otherkin are just an amusing example of the human need for escapism and fantasy, but I would encourage anyone who pisses in the veg Isle of a supermarket they they need help, and its not an excuse for such extreme vulgarities that some might wish society to cater for. |
| 22:22.07 | Xho | Or am I |
| 22:22.07 | Xho | Dunno |
| 22:22.08 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: I've come to think a similar thing. Most are kids who crave attention, some are people who need help |
| 22:22.09 | Xho | Probably not |
| 22:22.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: Debatable, people may have genuine mental disorders |
| 22:22.19 | Hachiman | No one knows how an animal is supposed to feel because animal emotions and feelings are completely fucking alien to the human mindset |
| 22:22.25 | Imperios | But people can believe that |
| 22:22.33 | Imperios | It is a genuine disorder |
| 22:22.38 | Xho | If I were otherkin I'd be Xhokin because I am fucking perfect in every way except every way |
| 22:22.44 | Imperios | These people are called zoanthropes I think |
| 22:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hachiman: You're right, which means that people who seriously think they can are probably a wee crazy. :p |
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| 22:23.05 | Wormydroid_ | Fuck sake. |
| 22:23.17 | DrodoEmpire | A lot of people are putting on a show, others are actually ill I'm sure |
| 22:23.19 | Tybusen | There are probably a significant portion of the "otherkin" population that have a legitimate mental disorder, but it's the Tumblr-type attention-seekers who ruin it for the ones who are actually like that |
| 22:23.23 | Imperios | It is a delusion that a person believes he is turning into an animal |
| 22:23.30 | Imperios | But yeah same |
| 22:23.34 | Monet | Agreed. If there are some people who think they are transforming into different animals, I don't htink we can completely rule out that all otherkin are faking it. |
| 22:23.41 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy That |
| 22:23.48 | OluapPlayer | IT IS THE ZOANTHROPE |
| 22:23.51 | Imperios | Monet: Oh definitely |
| 22:23.59 | Xho | misanthrope > zoanthrope |
| 22:24.00 | Hachiman | Yes because people genuinely believe they are a fucking dragon born into the wrong body |
| 22:24.03 | Hachiman | Fuck off with that shit |
| 22:24.07 | Monet | But psychology is...well it's hard to approach it as an exact science. |
| 22:24.08 | Imperios | Hachiman: Mental disorder |
| 22:24.14 | Imperios | Just like you have autism for example |
| 22:24.18 | Imperios | Or Aspergers or what do you have |
| 22:24.25 | Imperios | Same thing but more severe |
| 22:24.25 | Hachiman | It's mild autism |
| 22:24.33 | OluapPlayer | He's Hachi |
| 22:24.36 | OluapPlayer | That's his disorder |
| 22:24.36 | Imperios | Hachiism |
| 22:24.40 | Tybusen | Hachikin |
| 22:24.48 | Imperios | on all levels except physical |
| 22:24.49 | Imperios | I am Hachi |
| 22:24.50 | DrodoEmpire | Right, people sometimes *do* believe weird shit... :p |
| 22:24.52 | Imperios | WIENER |
| 22:25.02 | Tybusen | Sexually identifies as a wiener |
| 22:25.07 | Hachiman | On all levels including physical, I am Hachi. [WIENERS] |
| 22:25.15 | DrodoEmpire | I recall Caligula was rather angry with Neptune once... |
| 22:25.34 | Monet | From what I understand there's not much limit to what a person can convince themselves into believing what they are. |
| 22:25.41 | Wormydroid_ | To tell you the truth guys when I was young I fantasised with being a Wolf to escape the unhappiness I experienced, I was about 8 to 9 at the time |
| 22:25.51 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure when he sent his legions to punish the sea, he didn't ride out on his horse sometime during the march and say "ITS JUST A PRANK BRO" |
| 22:25.58 | Imperios | Charles_Murray TekDroid DrodoEmpire: What would be the short form of the name Catherine in French |
| 22:26.14 | Wormydroid_ | My hands calliced over from walking on all fours d I would howl on the school wall |
| 22:26.31 | Hachiman | Also, Caitlyn Jenner pisses me off |
| 22:26.33 | Tybusen | One reason I like the "sexually identify as an Attack Helicopter" meme is because I think it manages to jab at the "attention-seeker" types without necessarily taking a swipe at the ones who do have different sexual orietnations |
| 22:26.34 | DrodoEmpire | Impy, I haven't spoken French in like two years... |
| 22:26.41 | Xho | Wormydroid_: That's being 8 or 9, if you were doing this at 21/22 then we'd be worried |
| 22:26.50 | Wormydroid_ | I generally wanted to beleive I was something else |
| 22:27.15 | Wormydroid_ | But I understand the emotions of otherkin |
| 22:27.23 | DrodoEmpire | So I really really wouldn't know |
| 22:27.28 | Hachiman | Caitlyn Jenner is getting applauded for coming out as a transsexual celebrity and everyone is ignoring the fact that this conveniently coincided with them running over and killing a person because of irresponsible driving as Bruce Jenner |
| 22:27.40 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 22:27.42 | Wormydroid_ | Many might well be depressed, and suggestion is a powerrful thing |
| 22:27.51 | Monet | Wormydroid_: Escapism is a powerful motivator for believing in the untrue. |
| 22:27.58 | Wormydroid_ | You don't even have to be very mentelly ill for that |
| 22:28.07 | Hachiman | It is the biggest fucking ploy of the decade and everyone has fallen for it because of SJWs and feminist culture |
| 22:28.27 | Imperios | Thank God I am free from this |
| 22:28.33 | Imperios | HAIL PUTIN |
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| 22:29.06 | Hachiman | This is what freedom does to a people who forsake it |
| 22:29.09 | Imperios | TBH I think my lack of exposure to progressive culture makes me somewhat biased |
| 22:29.14 | Wormydroid_ | I see light otherkinism as mere escapism, and most people have it privately. But I stress the importance of such people needing help, if they are in tueir 20s or slmore doing the same I did |
| 22:29.24 | Hachiman | Or rather, exploit it |
| 22:29.27 | Tybusen | Hachiman: If you ask enough of the well-informed LGBT community, I think you'll find that a lot of them don't want Caitlyn Jenner to be their mascot |
| 22:29.40 | Hachiman | I know that |
| 22:29.45 | Imperios | That and the fact that I am a minority myself, I feel the far right is worse than the far left by far |
| 22:29.45 | Tybusen | Especially since Jenner is anti-gay |
| 22:29.46 | Hachiman | Which is why I hate them even more |
| 22:30.01 | Imperios | I mean, these people are all whiny but at least they do not hurt people |
| 22:30.03 | Hachiman | Now that I did not know |
| 22:30.19 | Imperios | Whereas the other side of the spectrum may actually be dangerous to our way of life |
| 22:30.47 | Monet | When you listen ot the vocal minority, the silent majority gets milabeled and msitreated |
| 22:31.18 | Tybusen | Yeah, the part of the LGBT that venerates Jenner is almost definitely a very vocal minority |
| 22:32.00 | Tybusen | I'd think a lot of trans people hold up people like Laverne Cox as the figureheads of their movement today |
| 22:32.26 | Technobliterator | was it not already established that Jenner is doing it for attention |
| 22:32.33 | Technobliterator | their whole family is just an act |
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| 22:33.14 | Tybusen | Jenner is legitimately transgender but with she made it into a spectacle |
| 22:33.37 | Tybusen | Wasn't necessarily doing it for attention but made people give it way more attention than it probably deserved |
| 22:33.47 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Actually the left can be quite good at harming people- Not physically but they have a talent for harassing people online |
| 22:33.57 | DrodoEmpire | Not as bad perhaps, but its gotten people fired and jailed before |
| 22:33.59 | Technobliterator | I highly doubt it was any reason other than her own ego |
| 22:34.05 | Imperios | Nothing compared to Neo-Nazis actually killing people |
| 22:34.05 | Technobliterator | the whole family are clowns |
| 22:34.07 | Wormydroid_ | I've been looking lately at how media is actually causing this SJW phenomenon. Its bad for feminism and bad for those angered by inflammatory media like "Gamers are the new right". sjw style feminism has little power really, most feminists are not like that |
| 22:34.15 | Imperios | Or Islamists |
| 22:34.28 | Imperios | Or any other far-right ultra-conservative nationalist or fascist crowd |
| 22:34.36 | Imperios | Look at Golden Dawn |
| 22:34.39 | Tybusen | Wormydroid_: Well, that's a classic case of the mainstream media overinflating the profile of a movement's extremist wings |
| 22:34.40 | Technobliterator | I don't buy the idea of this woman being transgender and republican, for one |
| 22:34.49 | Zf101 | I get annoyed with any group that screams too much. |
| 22:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: It has no power when its actually confronted, until that point it can do a lot |
| 22:35.02 | Wormydroid_ | Media gives angry SJW a platform to genetate controversey |
| 22:35.11 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: tbf you can be transgender and still hold ass-backwards views |
| 22:35.14 | Wormydroid_ | Generate |
| 22:35.25 | Technobliterator | Maybe, but why would you? |
| 22:35.37 | Tybusen | Well, that's the million-dollar question isn't it |
| 22:35.44 | DrodoEmpire | Because there's more to a person than their sexuality? <.< |
| 22:35.55 | Tybusen | Mostly boils down to that Jenner is just a massive dickwad |
| 22:35.56 | Imperios | My fear is that on the anti-SJW crowds, actual far-right crowds will get into power |
| 22:36.06 | Imperios | *through piggybacking on |
| 22:36.46 | Wormydroid_ | Unfortunately for real progressive movements, they get confused by the misinformed with left-authoritarianism. True progressives can be in error through tueir methods, but that is like everyone else |
| 22:37.11 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: I've had a similar fear. Conservatism at least in Canada is on the rise thanks to regressives |
| 22:37.19 | DrodoEmpire | Not that conservatism is inherently bad |
| 22:37.26 | Imperios | It is good |
| 22:37.28 | Imperios | Like progressivism |
| 22:37.37 | Imperios | But like progressivism creates SJWs... |
| 22:37.41 | Tybusen | Wormydroid_: We've already seen how the media can sink a social movement by highlighting its extremists, just look at how the Civil Rights Movement collapsed after MLK died and groups like Black Panther Party took center stage |
| 22:37.51 | Zf101 | ^ |
| 22:38.05 | Wormydroid_ | Indeed |
| 22:39.15 | Wormydroid_ | The real things that strengthen progress: open mind, criticism, self-criticism and tolerance, are easily lost in the media |
| 22:39.36 | Tybusen | The 2nd-wave Feminist movement got sunk after the media played up all the negatives of the Equal Rights Amendment |
| 22:40.23 | Tybusen | Even today you see the media highlighting the parts of the ugly parts of the BLM movement |
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| 22:41.17 | Wormydroid_ | So yeah, sometimes SJWs and even Leftist media can make me mad, but the media is designing a narratice to make me mad. Furthermore, they may well just be in error, the media making people shout at each other won't help them learn wider perspectives or criticise themselves. |
| 22:41.17 | AdmiralPanda | the only time extremist views work is when they provoke conversation amongst the moderates, whom are the people who actually make things happen |
| 22:41.50 | OpelSpeedster | Wormydroid_: I haven't seen the full discussion, but if it's about SJWs, it's best to take what they say with a grain of salt |
| 22:42.00 | DrodoEmpire | Opel: *pound |
| 22:42.02 | OpelSpeedster | They are insane, so it's not a good idea to get too worked-up on them |
| 22:42.04 | OpelSpeedster | ay |
| 22:42.13 | Cyrannian | Wormydroid_: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9760213-star-trek-online%3A-anniversary-krenim-ship |
| 22:42.25 | DrodoEmpire | They're insane leftist fascists. Its not a good idea to give them attention |
| 22:43.09 | OpelSpeedster | ^ |
| 22:43.27 | Tybusen | The SJWs are the extremist wing of groups like the third-wave Feminists, LGBT movement, and POC movement. You see them mentioned all the time since the people who control the media probably want to see all of these modern movements die off |
| 22:43.44 | OpelSpeedster | I saw one who legitimately wanted to have "all males castrated in a holiday that replaces Father's Day, so they could serve as nothing more but breeders, as they are supposed to" |
| 22:44.11 | OpelSpeedster | Though that might've been a troll - too intense to be a "normal"(in the loosest sense of the word) SJW. |
| 22:44.27 | Tybusen | OpelSpeedster: It's important to make sure that you don't put the "feme-nazis" in the same group as the moderate and sane feminists |
| 22:44.38 | OpelSpeedster | Yes, exactly |
| 22:45.00 | OpelSpeedster | It's a supreme insult to normal feminists to group them with feminazis |
| 22:45.09 | Tybusen | It's easy to pick out a bad SJW troll, but a good SJW troll is hard to tell from an actual SJW |
| 22:45.23 | Wormydroid_ | They are extreme yes, and wrong in their methods. But the grain of what I'm saying is that they have less power than you might think, and that they in fact think |
| 22:45.28 | Tybusen | Either way, they're equally damaging to any of the modern social justice movements |
| 22:45.55 | Wormydroid_ | But that is the true tragedy |
| 22:46.19 | Tybusen | Wormydroid_: I think it's easier for social movements to overcome the extremists nowadays, since the Internet makes it much easier for people to make themselves heard, but it's a double-edged sword because of that as well |
| 22:46.33 | Wormydroid_ | Because the media can misinform, as much as it can enlighten. |
| 22:46.35 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen, I'm not quite sure how many "sane" and "rational" feminists there are. :p There are some don't get me wrong but they hardly seem to be the loudest voice. |
| 22:46.57 | DrodoEmpire | That's probably largely to do with social media |
| 22:47.08 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Well, first of all, if you consider me "sane" and "rational", you're talking to one right now |
| 22:47.31 | Tybusen | Well that's why it's called the "vocal minority" and the "silent majority" |
| 22:47.42 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Me likey the new Corruptus demon. |
| 22:48.00 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Then perhaps this elusive majority should speak up a bit more... |
| 22:48.02 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:48.07 | Tybusen | The point is is that the radical minority tries very hard to make themselves heard, and since they associate themselves with the movement as a whole, people come to view these extremists as the face of the movement |
| 22:48.14 | Wormydroid_ | Drodo I have never met a feminist, andI know a few, who are interested in what some priviledged middle class person says on the Internet. None even know the big SJW names. |
| 22:48.25 | OluapPlayer | I was in the mood for something dragon-related |
| 22:49.14 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: You know it's not that easy |
| 22:49.57 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Looking down I wonder if the Draconis'kikra could do with a touch-up |
| 22:50.11 | Imperios | Tybusen: To be honest I do not understand what meaning the term POC has |
| 22:50.15 | Imperios | Like I understand what it means |
| 22:50.18 | OluapPlayer | As in? |
| 22:50.20 | Imperios | But I do not understand WHY it is needed |
| 22:50.22 | DrodoEmpire | I never said it would be easy, but its possible for this majority to denounce this minority, and try to discredit them as members of the same movement |
| 22:50.34 | Wormydroid_ | I asked that of feminists I met in real life, they answered that why should they bother criticising people on the Internet when it takes time away from changing real issues. |
| 22:51.01 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe they're right but these extremists are making the rest look bad |
| 22:51.06 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Not sure which model you used since I remake them. |
| 22:51.17 | Tybusen | Imperios: It's a way to group all the non-white racial groups into one associated movement. It's not the mainstream term but I've seen it used to describe all of the different racial movements at once |
| 22:51.24 | Monet | Though their back tells me its a rather old one. |
| 22:51.37 | Imperios | I am aware of that but I do not understand why one group should be associated with the other |
| 22:51.37 | Imperios | Like |
| 22:52.06 | Wormydroid_ | But yeah, on the one habd, criticism is good. But if you are not even aware of tye media gake or interested, why start? This suggests to me that media is creating the illusion of SJWs being a problem in the realbworld. |
| 22:52.08 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Imagine if you had to argue down every idiot or backwards-thinking person you met on the Internet. Time consuming, and plus all they probably want is attention |
| 22:52.08 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not even a big fan of this "social justice" anyway. Besides the extremists I find some of its goals questionable |
| 22:52.19 | OluapPlayer | I'm confident I used the newest model |
| 22:52.31 | Xho | Criticism eh |
| 22:52.40 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: No many extremists are *very* genuine in their beliefs. |
| 22:52.51 | Cyrannian | If feminism aspires toward equality of oppurtunity for da womens than I consider myself a feminist |
| 22:53.07 | Imperios | Tybusen: I mean how is the situation of an Asian in America more similar to the situation of an Asian in Asia than it is to that of a European in Asia |
| 22:53.08 | Imperios | For example |
| 22:53.15 | Tybusen | Cyrannian: That's the core goal of the feminist movement, so congratulations you're a feminist |
| 22:53.41 | Imperios | Cyrannian: The one feminist I knew for long was actually the most interesting girl I've ever met |
| 22:53.58 | Imperios | She was a feminist just because she wanted to achieve something in her life |
| 22:53.58 | OpelSpeedster | Well, in my opinion a better cause would be equality of opportunity for *everyone*. But I see what you mean |
| 22:54.05 | Imperios | And she did have the brains for that |
| 22:54.16 | Cyrannian | Well yes, I have identified as a feminist for a couple of years now, quite a few of my male friends feel the same way |
| 22:54.26 | DrodoEmpire | OpelSpeedster: That would be egalitarianism |
| 22:54.35 | Tybusen | Imperios: I can't speak to the treatment of Europeans in Asia, and Asian-Americans currently are probably the most well-treated POC group in the US, but there's still some subtle racism going on |
| 22:54.42 | Monet | Oluap: The original draconis'kikra model dates to a few months before the current model while the current Draocnid PNG is dated shortly before the current Kikra model |
| 22:54.43 | OpelSpeedster | DrodoEmpire: Huh, I thought it was "equalism". |
| 22:54.44 | DrodoEmpire | Which I tend to gravitate towards more |
| 22:54.52 | DrodoEmpire | That's the silly term for it |
| 22:54.52 | OpelSpeedster | But yeah, I guess I am an egalitarian |
| 22:55.15 | Tybusen | Well, if you're an egalitarian, you're necessarily a feminist, too |
| 22:55.17 | Imperios | Tybusen: What I meant is that the situation of minorities everywhere is the same |
| 22:55.22 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Err, no |
| 22:55.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yjay |
| 22:55.29 | Imperios | IT's not that the person in question is white, it's that he is the majority |
| 22:55.31 | DrodoEmpire | *That's factually incorrect |
| 22:55.34 | Wormydroid_ | Egalitarian, feminism, wh |
| 22:55.46 | Wormydroid_ | Liberal, or whatever |
| 22:55.47 | DrodoEmpire | Feminism is by defnition a narrower subject |
| 22:55.55 | OpelSpeedster | Well, in my opinion, feminism is a part of egalitarianism |
| 22:56.01 | DrodoEmpire | Nor is it always desirable |
| 22:56.03 | Imperios | While the guys who preach this PoC ideology create a big "us or them" racial divide, which I resent |
| 22:56.11 | OluapPlayer | Okay. I'll update it when I get the chance to |
| 22:56.15 | Wormydroid_ | Feminism seeks to view things from the perspective of women |
| 22:56.17 | Monet | cool |
| 22:56.27 | Cyrannian | ~dict feminism |
| 22:56.29 | DrodoEmpire | I'd sooner seek to view things as a human being, Wormy |
| 22:56.35 | Tybusen | Imperios: Well, as far as I know the American PoC movement is about addressing the problem of institutional racism as it applies to the US |
| 22:56.37 | Wormydroid_ | More so than the others |
| 22:56.45 | Imperios | Ah right |
| 22:56.51 | Imperios | It makes more sense |
| 22:56.54 | DrodoEmpire | As opposed to a man, or a woman, or a white or asian person |
| 22:56.55 | Imperios | But isn't that just |
| 22:57.03 | Imperios | ethnic minority or soemthing |
| 22:57.07 | Monet | "equal rights" being the important thing - which means not the depcreciation of men's right. |
| 22:57.07 | Wormydroid_ | So would I, in a perfect world. But we don't live in one. |
| 22:57.10 | Tybusen | I'm sure every country has its own movements dedicated to its racial/ethnic minorities |
| 22:57.12 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: Stop talking about feminism and get bak to the pad |
| 22:57.30 | Imperios | Most people I talked with about the PoC movement stated it is global |
| 22:57.39 | Cyrannian | burns his bra in protest against Oluap's nagful behaviour |
| 22:57.47 | Imperios | Yes |
| 22:57.47 | Xho | shameful |
| 22:57.49 | Imperios | BURN BRAS WOMEN |
| 22:57.59 | Imperios | MORE TOPLESS GIRLS PLEASE |
| 22:58.05 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: If you're an egalitarian who seeks equality for all, you must be a feminist because otherwise you don't believe in equality for women |
| 22:58.32 | Tybusen | You don't necessarily have to identify with the feminist *movement* to be a textbook feminist |
| 22:58.43 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Karvis'Keliam Oh dear here we go |
| 22:58.46 | DrodoEmpire | And I don't at all identify with the feminist movement as it were |
| 22:58.50 | Wormydroid_ | Do I, as a white male person, understand the the experiences of someone else who isn't. It would be arrogant to say I do. |
| 22:59.08 | DrodoEmpire | Nor do I appreciate being pushed into groups, frankly |
| 22:59.11 | Imperios | I am not sure about myself |
| 22:59.26 | Zf101 | Xho - uh...Wut. |
| 22:59.27 | OpelSpeedster | Wormydroid_: I think it is possible to understand the experiences of someone else who isn't by spending enough time with him/her and witnessing the joys and hardships of them. |
| 22:59.30 | Tybusen | Imperios: I haven't really seen anyone refer to the PoC movement in a context outside of the US, but the movement as it relates to the US is focused on racism in the US |
| 22:59.31 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: That sounds a wee collectivist. :p |
| 22:59.37 | Xho | That thing looks 99% like a Xhodocto to me |
| 22:59.49 | OluapPlayer | Complain all you want, until you do something about it, it means jack |
| 22:59.50 | Wormydroid_ | On the otuer hand, it is important to understand these perspectives rationally and factually. I despise the postmodern movements which attempts to fill the void. |
| 22:59.55 | Xho | ur jak |
| 22:59.56 | Imperios | Tybusen: Right, it makes more sense and is much more palpable hur |
| 23:00.02 | DrodoEmpire | Almost implies that white people and black people share *very* similar or the same experiences in life, when this is false |
| 23:00.10 | Xho | I've lost my edge on this wiki |
| 23:00.14 | DrodoEmpire | *or asian or arab people |
| 23:00.15 | Xho | I can't be mean spirited anymore |
| 23:00.26 | Zf101 | Your too mellowed out. |
| 23:00.29 | Xho | I'm now good Xho rather than evil Xho |
| 23:00.46 | Xho | Actually wait now I'll always be evil |
| 23:00.51 | Xho | Rather happy Xho than angry Xho |
| 23:00.58 | Wormydroid_ | Opelspeedster Yes, and that is why I believe my female relatives when they say its harder to get higher paid jobs as women. |
| 23:01.01 | Xho | Or mellow Xho actually yeah that works |
| 23:01.09 | OluapPlayer | Slightly less malevolent Xho |
| 23:01.25 | Imperios | I kind of agree with feminists at some points but mostly out of my selfish motivations |
| 23:01.30 | Xho | But yeah I can't message him now because I don't feel safe in doing it |
| 23:01.33 | Imperios | Mostly because I love smart and educated women |
| 23:01.35 | Xho | Old me would have done that immediately |
| 23:01.39 | Cyrannian | Tickle-Me-Xho is my favourite Xho |
| 23:02.10 | OpelSpeedster | Cyrannian: That sounded a bit... wrong. |
| 23:02.20 | OluapPlayer | "TOUCH ME AND AGAIN AND YOUR HOUSE IS ASHES." |
| 23:02.27 | Zf101 | Wrong in all that right ways. |
| 23:02.29 | OluapPlayer | TOUCH ME AGAIN* |
| 23:02.35 | Cyrannian | It's like Tickle-Me-Elmo except when you tickle him he spews blood |
| 23:02.45 | Xho | I've outgrown angry Xho and now I'm mellow Xho |
| 23:02.46 | OpelSpeedster | Oh. Now it makes sense. |
| 23:02.53 | Zf101 | And his head spins 360. |
| 23:02.55 | Xho | I don't like mellow Xho that much |
| 23:03.01 | Xho | Angry Xho was better Xho |
| 23:03.06 | Tybusen | Xho: Did you mean Mell-Xho |
| 23:03.12 | Xho | 0/10 gtfo |
| 23:03.16 | Wormydroid_ | So yeah, I despise any ideas and activism by movements which I can see are close minded and irrational. But they are errors, or misunderstanding of Enlightenment ideals. I.e. Safe spacee used to censor debate or journalism |
| 23:03.25 | Zf101 | You can still be angry. You kicked me in th son for my bad joke yesterday. |
| 23:03.31 | Zf101 | *sun |
| 23:03.50 | Xho | I mean Angry-And-Everyone-Knew-It Xho |
| 23:04.04 | Xho | 2 tired 4 dat shit |
| 23:04.28 | Wormydroid_ | But iys important not to conflate tue whole paradigm as wrong. I see this everywhere, I fear I was heading in that direction myself. |
| 23:04.39 | OluapPlayer | aka Bannable Xho |
| 23:04.42 | Tybusen | Wormydroid_: There's a certain principle of the Safe Space movement that I agree with, that's that it's wrong to knowingly subject someone to an experience that might bring up traumatic memories, but the Safe Space movement takes it way too far by basically becoming a criticism-free bubble |
| 23:05.02 | Xho | was still best xho |
| 23:05.20 | Wormydroid_ | Indeed, hopefully something can be learned from those pitfalls |
| 23:05.22 | Xho | I don't think I was Angry Xho when I joined though |
| 23:05.25 | Xho | that rhymes |
| 23:05.39 | Imperios | I do not like safe spaces despite the fact that I would really need them |
| 23:05.47 | Imperios | An artist requires criticism |
| 23:06.03 | Imperios | Xho: You were a polite Xho |
| 23:06.23 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: If someone's actually quite traumatized by something, then sure have an area with "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" |
| 23:06.31 | Xho | So I went Polite -> Golden Age Angry -> Mellow |
| 23:06.32 | DrodoEmpire | Otherwise, fuck off with it |
| 23:06.33 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:06.40 | DrodoEmpire | And certainly don't bring it into the classroom |
| 23:06.43 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Well yeah, that's exactly what I was saying |
| 23:06.59 | Wormydroid_ | What I'm referring to was the campus activism at Yale, which saw journalists being physically removed from the space by entitled rich kids |
| 23:07.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:07.14 | DrodoEmpire | These campus protests are just ugh >.< |
| 23:07.23 | DrodoEmpire | Overall, its just insanity |
| 23:07.49 | Tybusen | The idea behind "safe space" is sound, because it's important to respect the psychology of others, but its execution has been flawed |
| 23:08.30 | Imperios | Oh yes these guys |
| 23:08.40 | Imperios | Many of these protesters are actually rich or middle-class people |
| 23:08.44 | Imperios | None of them knew true oppression |
| 23:08.47 | Wormydroid_ | An insanity allowed only by lack of understanding of real criticism and tolerance, and used by the media to further misinform. |
| 23:08.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, people with too much time on their hands |
| 23:08.54 | Tybusen | Using it as a tool like "I don't like what this person is saying, silence him because he's triggering me" isn't the correct use and is totally disrespectful to people who have actual triggers |
| 23:09.04 | DrodoEmpire | Who don't know what real racism/sexism etc. is because they' |
| 23:09.18 | DrodoEmpire | *they've had the good fortune to be well-to-do people living in a fifrst-world country |
| 23:09.25 | DrodoEmpire | *first-world |
| 23:09.35 | Tybusen | Yeah, a big issue with some social movements is privileged people hijacking the movement to make themselves feel good |
| 23:09.43 | Imperios | They're not Assyrians in Syria |
| 23:09.53 | Xho | syrians in assyria |
| 23:09.56 | Wormydroid_ | Good point Tybusen |
| 23:09.56 | Xho | mwaha |
| 23:10.05 | OpelSpeedster | DrodoEmpire: *cough* Black Lives Matter *cough* |
| 23:10.09 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:10.09 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:10.52 | Imperios | Xho: Time travelling ISIS militants end up in ancient Assyria |
| 23:10.57 | Tybusen | See, Black Lives Matter did bring up the important issue of lingering racism in US society, but it's lacking an anchor point and that's why BLM seems as chaotic as it is |
| 23:11.02 | Wormydroid_ | There are articles out there stating the younger generations today have an over inflated sense of achievement, yet are the least happy |
| 23:11.07 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: They |
| 23:11.26 | Tybusen | ? |
| 23:11.29 | Xho | Ashurbanipal gon fuk up ur shit |
| 23:11.33 | DrodoEmpire | 1 minute |
| 23:11.51 | DrodoEmpire | *They appear to be a bunch of obnoxious black supremacists. Unfocused in motive and driven by racism. *Maybe* I'm biased but this is the impression. I'd rather see them gone |
| 23:12.12 | DrodoEmpire | At the very least as a movement they are a disproportionate reaction to this lingering racism |
| 23:12.38 | DrodoEmpire | Also about that point |
| 23:12.40 | Tybusen | It's because they're so disorganized that the extremist parts take center stage |
| 23:13.02 | DrodoEmpire | I think this "lingering racism" is more the legacy of racism- Black people, for example, are on average economically disadvantaged |
| 23:13.25 | DrodoEmpire | No reasonable person in the US seriously is still racist. :p |
| 23:13.36 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: You'd be surprised |
| 23:13.43 | OpelSpeedster | DrodoEmpire: I agree with your definition of BLM, I looked them up and saw the same thing. |
| 23:13.50 | DrodoEmpire | Why I said "reasonable" bud |
| 23:13.51 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:13.52 | Wormydroid_ | Plenty of unreasonable people exist. |
| 23:14.02 | Wormydroid_ | Trump supporters hur |
| 23:14.13 | OpelSpeedster | Ahahaha |
| 23:14.27 | DrodoEmpire | Reasonable, educated people why have a good-paying job and a clean criminal record |
| 23:14.34 | DrodoEmpire | *who have |
| 23:14.47 | Wormydroid_ | I've |
| 23:14.58 | DrodoEmpire | If said people were still sorta-racist, I doubt there would be a black president, or politicians for that matter |
| 23:15.01 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: You know that describes probably around at least half of the US legislature |
| 23:15.25 | DrodoEmpire | Right, which means half of the US legislature probably isn't going around talking about "them niggers" |
| 23:15.39 | Tybusen | Well that's the thing |
| 23:15.46 | DrodoEmpire | That I'm right? ;p |
| 23:15.48 | DrodoEmpire | *:p |
| 23:15.53 | Tybusen | Racism isn't that overt anymore |
| 23:16.12 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe not, but I don't subscribe to the idea that people are "secretly racist" |
| 23:16.17 | Wormydroid_ | Casual racism does exist though, I could say tue same for people I know, who work hard and are generally nice, then easily say "Pakki" |
| 23:16.18 | DrodoEmpire | That sounds like a paranoid delusion |
| 23:17.03 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: you're right, its not very nice. But are they going to go kill a pakistani person anytime soon? :p |
| 23:17.10 | Tybusen | DrodoEmpire: Well then I feel like you should probably take a closer look at how that supposedly nonexistent racism continues to affect society |
| 23:17.28 | DrodoEmpire | Well then I don't think you should take this to heart as much as you are |
| 23:17.29 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:18.08 | Wormydroid_ | No, but if the UK went to utter shit, then racism might leak out into something more potent |
| 23:18.15 | DrodoEmpire | I *know* about how disadvantaged some groups are. What I *disagree* with is the idea that peoples' somewhat off-colour remarks and subtle things reflect genuine racist belief |
| 23:18.17 | Tybusen | People might not be lynching black people in the streets, but black people are getting screwed systematically by society and the laws to this day |
| 23:18.26 | DrodoEmpire | Because I think that's insulting |
| 23:18.33 | Wormydroid_ | "No pakis in this bomb shelter" etc. |
| 23:18.43 | DrodoEmpire | Show me the law which discriminates against black people, tybusen |
| 23:18.45 | DrodoEmpire | Show it |
| 23:18.45 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:19.07 | DrodoEmpire | Win this argument and show me the federal law that discriminates racially |
| 23:19.28 | Tybusen | I have to go to class in a few minutes so I can't pull anything up |
| 23:19.28 | Wormydroid_ | See, this is that blurry area where I think bot |
| 23:19.42 | Wormydroid_ | All of us are right to some extent |
| 23:19.44 | DrodoEmpire | tyb: Fine. I'll keep you to it though |
| 23:19.59 | Tybusen | And it's more that the law isn't overtly racist but is used in ways to disadvantage groups like black people |
| 23:20.16 | DrodoEmpire | So in other words you're original statement is bullshit. :p |
| 23:20.25 | DrodoEmpire | *your |
| 23:20.32 | Cyrannian | What does :p even mean in this context? |
| 23:20.48 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure, vague disapproval |
| 23:20.51 | Tybusen | http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ I'd suggest reading this, it's a good article on one part of the issue |
| 23:21.07 | Wormydroid_ | I too, do not deam all theories purporyrated by SJWs, or even any progressives as correct. That doesn't mean we should be arrogant to ignore perspectives other than our own, especially on social matters. |
| 23:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | "Reparations"? This already sounds bad. |
| 23:21.37 | Cyrannian | I always imagined it as sticking out your tongue |
| 23:21.54 | Tybusen | If you're going to discount what's said in the article solely based on that, I don't really have anything to say to you then |
| 23:21.55 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not at all against, say, improving these neighbourhoods and areas that are *terribly* poor |
| 23:21.58 | Cyrannian | Or being flirty, or both |
| 23:22.14 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: I'm not, but that's me making a comment before reading |
| 23:22.20 | Tybusen | I'll probably be back in a couple hours |
| 23:23.10 | Wormydroid_ | Governments may not have exact laws that oppress women or minorities, but society can still be hard for them based on the way they are represented and so on |
| 23:24.08 | drom | Wormy_ Monet: I just remembered watch a Danish film, an isolated backwater town in middle of a huge land composed of flat forests and farmlands. Its population living there tolerate breaking the rules to maintain the peace and tranqulity, regardless of how brutal or immoral their action are. |
| 23:24.40 | Wormydroid_ | Actually I have Aspergers and dyspraxia. I *Have* found it harder to get into university, some of my applications were rejected for no reason given, and likely because I have a disability. |
| 23:25.31 | Wormydroid_ | People like me slight strain on universities, thats why. |
| 23:25.44 | DrodoEmpire | So it seems to describe the way black farmers were forced off of their land or otherwise forced to work. I'm not at all against repaying those individuals that were effected by this event, but to say one race is responsible for wrongs against another entire race would be absurd (and hopefully isn't the conclusion in this piece) |
| 23:26.17 | Wormydroid_ | So while society no longer puts me in a mental institute, it can still be oppressive. |
| 23:27.51 | Wormydroid_ | Drom sounds like an interesting film |
| 23:29.15 | Wormydroid_ | Drom In this book, the Star Maker, a society of higher consciousness was destroyed by an evil empire. they did mothing, and nor did their allies. it was to them, like a gamer leaving a mqtch of chess. |
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| 23:30.25 | drom | Wormydroid: To put it on the actual perspective, it follows a police officer who is replacing a retiring officer at the community. At the first days the community is pretty cold and slient for him, until he learns more about the residents and why the bad atmosphere. |
| 23:32.44 | drom | In other words, the movie is a slightly surreal psychotic thriller |
| 23:33.56 | Wormydroid_ | I saw a film like that, but made in Belgium |
| 23:34.47 | Wormydroid_ | Some guy's car breaks down in a fucked up village which keeps him there for reasons I won't spoil if you want to see itml. |
| 23:37.05 | drom | Wormydroid_: A car is also one of the central focus of the Danish movie. A half-submerged pickup in a rain collector pond. |
| 23:38.29 | Wormydroid_ | Drodoempire one thing that really grinds my gears is "reverse racism", there is no such thing. There is only racism |
| 23:38.38 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:40.41 | Wormydroid_ | I.e. No male speakers without a female there, or choosing not to employ an idividual or to let them on a course because they have a high privilidge count. This is racism, because it rejects the individual on a basis of features alone |
| 23:40.46 | drom | Wormydroid_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terribly_Happy |
| 23:40.57 | drom | That was the movie I was talkinag about |
| 23:41.18 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: precisely |
| 23:41.26 | Wormydroid_ | Yeah stuff like that is alarming, fortunately I think social media makes the illusiom that its worse than it is |
| 23:41.38 | DrodoEmpire | What someone is doesn't matter, at least to me |
| 23:41.48 | DrodoEmpire | Its *who* someone is |
| 23:41.57 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway this is a bit of a circlejerk as we agree completely |
| 23:41.57 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 23:42.36 | drom | Wormydroid_: Don't let the ratings fool you, I actually liked the movie. |
| 23:43.45 | Wormydroid_ | Drom. And the film I saw it called Calvaire |
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| 23:45.39 | Wormydroid_ | And I don't let ratings dictate whether I watch a movie |
| 23:45.51 | Wormydroid_ | I'm not a great fan of movie critics |
| 23:46.22 | Wormydroid_ | remembers half of Sporewiki are |
| 23:49.08 | drom | GoT is shit 0/10 |
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| 23:50.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 23:50.53 | Charles_Bot | Hey |
| 23:50.54 | Wormydroid_ | One movie that is a must-see is The Reverant |
| 23:52.26 | Monet_2 | Hello |
| 23:52.38 | Wormydroid_ | Hi |
| 23:52.56 | Monet_2 | Wormydroid_: I thought you said criticism could be good. |
| 23:53.15 | Monet_2 | To an extent I guess. |
| 23:53.18 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think he disputes that |
| 23:53.38 | DrodoEmpire | Its more that he dislikes movie critics for something else than the fact that they do criticise. :p |
| 23:53.45 | DrodoEmpire | (Sorry if I'm wrong Wormy) |
| 23:54.02 | DrodoEmpire | Also nobody is necessarily entitled to listen to another's criticism |
| 23:54.06 | Monet_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.20 | DrodoEmpire | The critic could be talking out of their ass, after all. |
| 23:55.04 | Wormydroid_ | Not criticism for criticisms sake. Surprisngly that can be irrational |
| 23:55.06 | Monet_2 | True, for both positive and negative |
| 23:55.30 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Like I said they could talking out of their ass |
| 23:55.33 | Monet_2 | We are not individual if we do not question. |
| 23:56.10 | Wormydroid_ | Criticism in the form of open society, science and self development was the context I meant |
| 23:56.36 | DrodoEmpire | Well you can't try and put speech into arbitrary groups |
| 23:56.37 | Wormydroid_ | Yeah |
| 23:56.51 | DrodoEmpire | Or try to say what is "worthy" speech or not. That's how censorship happens |
| 23:57.17 | DrodoEmpire | Though again yeah dumb people are prone to say dumb things |
| 23:57.19 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:57.41 | Wormydroid_ | Ngh, I guess movie criticism can be a good thing for the artform |
| 23:57.51 | Monet | I heard on the radi othis morning there's a rise in the popularity of oen conspiracy about the Moon landing |
| 23:58.28 | Wormydroid_ | But what I meant was, I come away enjoying a film, then find it gets torn apart under some abstract opinions |
| 23:58.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 23:58.56 | Monet | The theory in particular being that yes we did go to the moon, but for whatever reason - be it bad result ,something we didn't expect or an unexpected result - the footage shown on TV was recorded on Earth. |
| 23:59.02 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's a terrible feeling |
| 23:59.11 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: ...Riight |
| 23:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:59.49 | Monet | "what if...we DID go to the moon. But decided to shoot a mock-up anyway!" |
