IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160127

00:00.13Wormy_I really do recommend it
00:00.37Monet_2I want this year to be the year DiCaprio wins an Academy Award
00:01.01XhoI'm afraid that if DiCaprio wins an award, the world will end
00:01.18XhoAlso I'm going to sleep because fuck being awake now
00:01.33Monet_2I don't care if he did once again scream in that famous way of his. He dedicated himself!
00:02.11DrodoEmpireDoes anybody else play Mount & Blade?
00:02.20Monet_2I do
00:02.43DrodoEmpireCool. Have you ever tried any of the Persistent World modules?
00:02.50Monet_2no
00:02.58DrodoEmpireAh
00:03.06DrodoEmpireThey're free mods, seem pretty interesting
00:04.48Monet_2"The Trope Namers are present as Rome's strongest units and come in infantry and cavalry flavors, as well as a household item that increases Cunning. Ironically, Praetorian Guardsmen can't be used as a General's bodyguard, probably a historical in joke about what the Praetorian Guard's favorite pastime was."
00:12.28Monet_2Praetorian - Stabby stabby!
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00:16.56Wormy_Hehe I have a whippet https://www.facebook.com/1561922687422103/videos/1588600158087689/
00:17.32DrodoEmpireolol
00:18.13Monet_2He sounds like Tony Robinson.
00:18.37Wormy_An Aussie version
00:23.34Wormy_All this Wild Wild West makes me want to visit the Capital Wasteland
01:46.07Monet_2Right I'm close to passing out so goodnight.
02:45.56DrodoEmpireI have so many nice books in this little bookshelf I found
02:46.20DrodoEmpireLegions of Rome, Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire...
02:46.25DrodoEmpireI should read these. :p
03:17.22DrodoEmpirebrb
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03:22.09DrodoEmpire_Back
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10:12.51ImpyDroidHi Ink
10:13.37Liquid_InkHey
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12:00.39AdmiralPandahi all
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12:08.04Wormy_hi
12:09.47AdmiralPandahi
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12:38.20ImperiosHiya
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12:41.10MonetHello
12:41.26Wormy_hi
12:42.30Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9degKqzL5Xs turns out EVE will be at the megastructural phase soon
12:43.37MonetSeriously this was announced yesterday - I am rarely that prompt.
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13:00.28GhelaeHello.
13:01.14Monethello
13:52.45ImperiosMonet: Seen the new Warcraft movie trailer I showed you?
13:53.14MonetImperios: Is that the one where an orc tosses a horse?
13:53.44ImperiosThe TV Spot, with Dalaran
13:54.05MonetCan't say I've seen one with Dalaran yet
13:55.42Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgjBGdOqhUw This one
13:55.46Imperios0:22 or something is Dalaran
14:05.17ImperiosI guess you can see the filthy retcon here hur
14:14.15MonetWhy is it in the sky?
14:18.35MonetYeah why is Dalaran flying?
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14:45.20ImperiosMonet: > filthy retcon
14:45.34MonetThat's dumb.
14:45.36ImperiosThey apparently made that it is flying already during WCI
14:45.55ImperiosIT looks kind of impressive but if they are continuing the story, I can see a giant plot hole coming
14:46.02ImperiosNamely the sacking of Dalaran by Arthas
14:46.04MonetI guess it feels more magical that way
14:46.20ImperiosAlso I think WoW players will recognise it more that way
14:46.23MonetYeah Arthas and most of the undead scourge can't fly.
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14:47.34JepardiHi
14:48.46ImperiosUnless they will add a scene of Arthas flying on a frost wyrm
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15:13.11ImpyDroidMonet OluapPlayer: https://thedisgruntledboxticker.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/img_0474-1.jpg?w=676 The Entropic Dalek
15:13.38OluapPlayerhur
15:19.38MonetI don't think Allahu Akbar is funyn to me anymore
15:21.12ImpyDroidI have that effect on people
15:22.49MonetIt's not you.
15:24.41Monetits just...knowing what it means, associating it with terrorists is like findaing hilarity in two English guys killing while shouting "God save the QUeen"
15:25.53MonetTHat or it's gotten old.
15:37.23ImpyDroidIt has a lot of purposes
15:37.44ImpyDroidButs is usage as a warcry is as old as the Islamic world itself
15:37.51ImpyDroid*But its
15:56.14MonetI was wondering yesterday, what if the DI didn't go though it's rise-and-fall patterns.
15:56.39MonetWhat if it never lost any technolobical capability in its long lifespan?
16:06.44ImpyDroidHow would you explain it not becoming a godrace over that time
16:08.37MonetI probably won't be able to unless they went completely stagnant
16:09.03Wormy_I worry about the stereotype it creates by people saying "Allahu Ackbar" as a form of black humour...  It may just be that, but couldn't it reinforce Islamophobia in society? So no, I don't find it very funny.
16:09.06MonetSo essentially in order to remain balanced, it needs to have its dark ages.
16:10.02ImpyDroidI presume ao
16:10.11ImpyDroidOr its development was generally rather slow
16:10.33ImpyDroidWhich would make sense considering their long lifespans and rather conservative thinking
16:10.50MonetThey would be very careful yes
16:11.15MonetThinking ot myself how this could affect that one-galaxy AU idea you had
16:11.32ImpyDroidIt would kind of fit into it perfectly
16:12.05ImpyDroidCome to think about it that could be the DI's overall weakness
16:12.41MonetActually...if the DI in theo ne galaxy AU is overall higher up, maybe that could explai nthe DIvinarium's willingness to act as its prophets.
16:12.59ImpyDroidPretty much
16:13.32ImpyDroidI imagined this thusly: the DI finds the young Church of Spode, the war is long but at the end the DI wins
16:14.09ImpyDroidHowever the Radeon manage to use their religious and cultural influence to worm their way up to the higher circles of society anyway
16:16.28MonetThey might need some edge if they are the (debateable) masters of the galaxy.
16:20.00MonetAnyway, go on.
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16:23.46MonetImpyDroid: As you were saying
16:25.35TechnobliteratorNew Wikia feature: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Insights/popularpages
16:25.47TechnobliteratorNow you can see which pages are getting viewed most :o
16:27.10ImpyDroidThe Grox reign supreme
16:27.55TekDroidInteresting how much non-fiction traffic there still is
16:28.28MonetYeah
16:28.30TechnobliteratorNot really. It's more interesting how much fiction traffic there is.
16:28.45MonetThough it seems the most popular fiction character so far appears to be President Suplex.
16:29.32MonetThis feature is introduced so I'd say best advice for now is to wait.
16:29.46TechnobliteratorThe mainspace of any wiki is always the most viewed by miles, it's very rare that a custom namespace ever appears featured so prominently as ours.
16:30.24MonetI'd say give time for the numbers to come in before we start jumping to conclusions.
16:30.43TekDroidTechnobliterator: I totally agree, I'm just surprised there's this much traffic in general
16:31.02TechnobliteratorTo put things into perspective, SporeWiki receives 70,000 pageviews weekly.
16:31.13TekDroidReally?
16:31.16TechnobliteratorThe Final Fantasy Wiki, on the other hand, 2 million weekly.
16:31.33TechnobliteratorWookieepedia is more like 2 million daily, if not a lot more
16:31.47TekDroidIt may not be a lot relatively speaking but it's still a lot.
16:32.03TechnobliteratorYeah, it's double that of the J&D wiki, for one
16:32.27MonetReally?
16:32.44MonetThat's a surprise.
16:32.52TekDroidEspecially for a nearly 10 year old game with mixed success I'm surprised we have so much
16:33.11TechnobliteratorIn terms of WAM, which is based on views and edits, SporeWiki is #348 across all of Wikia. Across gaming specifically, #170.
16:33.44TekDroidHuh
16:33.55Technobliteratoroh, wait, SporeWiki is mmore than double J&D wiki
16:34.00TechnobliteratorJ&D wiki is 30k weekly
16:35.24TekDroidWoo
16:36.11TekDroidOh, the counts on the page are just since the update
16:38.24MonetAs said, wait for the numbers to roll in
16:38.42TekDroidEither way we either refresh a lot or we have some fans lurking. :P
16:38.59TechnobliteratorNo need to wait for the numbers, I have most of them already :p
16:39.45MonetTek and I are not wiki staff though.
16:40.00TechnobliteratorI'm not Wikia Staff either - even if I may be in a year or two
16:40.20TekDroidIt's nice to see our Wiki has as much traffic as it does though
16:40.26MonetYeah
16:40.37TechnobliteratorIt's a very pleasant surprise, indeed
16:40.47TechnobliteratorI'll show these numbers tonight as well when more people are on
16:43.17MonetThe art blog I set up for my course has only started to pick up speed and by comparison I've had 3,600 hits since the beginning of the year.
16:43.43MonetBut so far this has been my highest-traffic month to date.
16:44.08MonetAnd I think it's mainly because I post on blogger, G+, facebook, youtube *and* twitter.
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16:45.23Monet_2So yeah I'd say the wiki is doing *very* well for itself.
16:46.42Wormy_I concur.
16:46.53TekDroidIt may not be millions but it's certainly not dead.
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17:00.21TechnobliteratorYeah, it's a pretty small 1% of communities that get a million views per week
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17:51.35dromhello
17:55.28Monet_2Hi
17:56.01TekDroidHello
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17:59.20dino82_hello!
18:00.14Monet_2Hello
18:01.08dromTekDroid Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/IEfvkoW.jpg
18:01.47dino82_:D
18:01.49dino82_How is allz dong
18:02.39Wormy_hi
18:03.02Monet_2Feeling good
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18:03.07Wormy_drom:  Show me pic of what they're talking about.
18:04.33dromWormy_: Couldn't find it, but here are the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/42qrxz/its_a_feature/
18:06.52Wormy_I'm guessing its some poor design choice that leaves blank pages, which they have an excuse for.
18:08.18dromWormy_ Monet_2: http://phys.org/news/2016-01-carbon-dioxide-captured-air-methanol.html
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18:08.22dromFuuuuuutuuuuuuure!
18:08.38dromfutur
18:08.41dromHai Xho
18:09.08Xhofutura
18:09.11Xhodat font tho
18:09.39Wormy_Definitely an innovative solution if it works.  There was a similar idea to turn carbon dioxide from air into plastic using carbon capture, but it turned out to be flawed.
18:10.34Monet_2Hi Xho
18:10.43dromXho: wat font
18:10.49XhoFutura
18:10.54dromFutura is the name of a font?
18:11.01XhoYup
18:11.04MonetYes
18:11.43dromops, I just [REDACTED] after googling it
18:11.53XhoFrom my experience at work, Helvetica is the most widely used font for anything commercial
18:14.32dromWormy_: I think I can exploit that as a step closer to the realistic validity of terraforming oxygen-atmospheric planets to methane-atmospheric desert planets.
18:15.10dromStep one: Burn everything
18:16.33dromStep two: While the planet colds/heats down/up, turn everything to favorable gases.
18:18.56dromOf course it is far-fetched but it was interesting to speculate.
18:31.25dromXho: We never heard from this guy again http://i.imgur.com/ftjWwoi.webm
18:33.24XhoThat's cats
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18:47.14dromWormy Monet Xho: Normally I'm not a fan of giving pets clothes, but this was cute. http://i.imgur.com/nte1IGm.jpg
18:47.35XhoFLOOF
18:50.29dromSpecially dat tail
18:51.55dino82_Finishehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Senate_Scandald:
18:52.34dino82_again: finished: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Senate_Scandal
18:52.36dino82_now right link :D
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18:54.00dromXho Monet ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/qi8Z8Lk.jpg
18:55.08dromXho Monet: http://i.imgur.com/6rL5s0a.jpg
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18:55.31Xho"1779 hours on record"
18:55.32XhoHow the
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18:56.00dromTechnobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/bv2hseD.jpg
18:56.07dromXho: Just do what Hachiman did with Spore
18:56.47XhoMonet: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e6/Namuezan.png/revision/latest?cb=20160127185457 tada
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18:57.39dromTechnobliterator ImpyDroid Monet Xho: http://i.imgur.com/oPElr97.png
18:57.52XhoSeen that one before
18:58.00dromXho: THE FUCK IS DIS JUNK
18:58.07Xhoringworld hoh
18:58.12dromk
18:58.30dromThe picture looks nice nonetheless
18:59.54MonetBig place
19:01.56MonetI can see there'd be lots of room for aliens and Kicath alike
19:15.11dino82_o have to go
19:15.11dino82_bye bye
19:17.25XhoSo if Namuezan is orbiting its star at 1.21 AU
19:17.32XhoThat's a big-ass circumference
19:18.35MonetVery big-ass
19:18.39MonetImagine the surface area!
19:19.23XhoKicath - all this land                  WEAPON TESTS GO
19:19.41XhoThe Kicath would generally just use such space for scenery really
19:20.01MonetKicath - MANSIONS FOR EVERYONE
19:20.24XhoBut yeah I've estimated the radius as 181 million km
19:20.40XhoKicathian Vanity Project 2811
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19:23.39XhoI need a quote for this ringworld now
19:23.40XhoHi
19:23.42dromWormy_ Monet: I'm now conviced to get both a Husky and an Australian Shepard!
19:24.06Wormy_Moon Moon and Dog Meat
19:24.34XhoI did have an idea for a quote, though if anyone wants to use their character for it feel free
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19:25.22GhelaeHello.
19:26.31MonetXho: MAybe. WHat's the quote?
19:27.32Xho"The Kicath are generally very minimalistic when it comes to their design - blacks and greys is a staple of their architecture and aesthetics. When a vanity project as...insane as Namuezan comes into their heads, I wonder whether their science techs were drunk when finalising it."
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19:34.39dromWormy Xho: I hate being reminded of how I was supposed to be good in physics. http://i.imgur.com/xl83fBr.jpg
19:34.48XhoLEL
19:35.25XhoWell at least you can kind of suck on it like an ice lolly
19:36.45Wormy_lol
19:38.15dromaye hyr
19:39.26ImperiosHi
19:39.29ImperiosMonet: http://cs633320.vk.me/v633320775/1298f/D7krIH1lTZ0.jpg
19:40.14Xhooh god
19:40.23XhoI'd ought to show my friend tht
19:41.42Imperiosdrom: Honey for the honey god
19:43.57MonetXho: "The Kicath are generally very minimalistic when it comes to their design - blacks and greys are a staple of their architecture and aesthetics. But it would be an understatement ot believe they do not think big. Namuezan is a perfect example of this - dwarfign even their greatest metropoli" - Tarsus Senvinus
19:44.13Xhotanks
19:51.57Imperiosdrom Wormy_: https://2ch.hk/po/src/13600042/14539093523892.jpg
19:54.39Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Namuezan eh cba to do more right now
19:55.35Wormy_I love Australia stays Australia
19:57.56ImperiosIt also apparently devours Indonesia
19:59.18MonetXho: I magine by 2011 the Kicath could ahve expanded to the 750,000 ssytems you asked for
19:59.44XhoKicath - BACK IN TIME TO EXPAND        FUCK YOU THIRD DIMENSION
20:00.20XhoI think I initially asked for 250,000 in Andromeda
20:00.29XhoThough I'm teetering on the verge of the Kicath becoming overbearing
20:00.37XhoSo I'll stick with 180,000
20:01.04XhoIf anything I'd expand in the Milky Way since home advantage
20:03.38XhoI've given the population as 3 trillion Kicath there
20:03.49XhoSo I guess I'd have to add another 18% on top of that
20:04.15XhoWhich is 540 billion
20:04.37Xho3.54 trillion then
20:05.12MonetIt's not like the Kicath would outscale the Di on their own turf
20:05.26XhoMainly out of respect for the DI really
20:05.41XhoThat's a rare feat considering 'respect' and 'Kicath' aren't usually in the same sentence
20:06.26dromImperios: It is actually frozen pineapple in the jar
20:06.47XhoIf I really wanted to go flashy I'd expand the Kicathian territories to around 2,500,000 in the Milky Way
20:06.57dromI made the mistake to fill the entire jar with water up to the brim.
20:07.01MonetI remember you did ask for 250,000 initially, and I had suggested they could epxand progressively
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20:09.14dromWormy_: gotta love dis dog http://imgur.com/gallery/LNhnrPX
20:09.40ZF101Hello all, wat up.
20:10.14DrodoEmpireHi
20:10.54GhelaeHello.
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20:16.23HachimanFinally back on my PC
20:16.33HachimanJust restoring all the standard stuff
20:17.21DrodoEmpireHey!
20:18.18Xhorabbit-pc is now working
20:18.49dromHachiman: "When you were a kid, name something you used to practice kissing" - "My sister"
20:18.56Wormy_drom: whoppits https://www.facebook.com/1561922687422103/videos/1588600158087689/?pnref=story
20:19.22HachimanOh God
20:19.52ImperiosWhat is that with you and incest recently
20:19.58ImperiosHachiman: http://cs633320.vk.me/v633320775/1298f/D7krIH1lTZ0.jpg
20:20.10XhoIncest -> centipedes
20:20.17HachimanFitting because Eldar eat ass anyway
20:20.17XhoMan this IRC is weird
20:20.22drommy sides
20:20.35dromthey are split between my inbreed children
20:20.55XhoHachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Namuezan entire world is ring
20:21.54ZF101Drom...Stahp. plz
20:22.03dromXho: Explode a bit of the ring, the entire "world" is fukked
20:22.19XhoKicath - u think we make ringworld outta cardboard
20:22.27dromHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/UGBp8ui.jpg
20:22.30dromXho: Ye
20:26.03dromImperios: Combine incest with socialdarwinism, things will go down badly
20:27.41dromHachiman Imperios Xho: http://i.imgur.com/yzobGuO.png
20:27.50Xhoayy
20:27.59Hachimanhur
20:28.54XhoI wonder whether the Kicath might be using AI with hypercomputational power to regulate Namuezan
20:29.04XhoUsing that idea go fuk urselves
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20:29.36HachimanQuite probably
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20:30.14XhoI forget what the term is
20:30.28XhoI want to say hyperturing
20:30.45Ghelaehypercomputer
20:30.49XhoOr that
20:30.51XhoThat works
20:33.31dromXho: AI - I'VE CALCULATED IT IS GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY TO CONSERVATE THE AIR, PLEASE GO TO YOUR NEAREST OFFICE AND SUBMIT YOUR AIR. ELSE FACE IMMEDIATE TERMINATION!
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20:33.58XhoKicath - maybe we should have modelled it after the president
20:34.17dromadmit it, I stole it from a malfunctioning AI round at SS13
20:35.46XhoSo Namuezan has a circumference of 706.7 million miles
20:35.47dromThe AI promptly said that before closing down the entire environmental systems and the atmospherics. Choking those unfortunate enough to not put on internals (emergency air tank) fast enough.
20:35.56XhoKicathian racing is now open
20:36.35dromIt then sent cyborgs under its control to exterminate the crew who were still alive.
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20:48.35MonetXho: That sort of computation could be used for stuff like modeling basement universes.
20:49.04XhoKicathian basement universe
20:49.13XhoBecause the Kicath need that kind of independenec
20:49.17Xhoindependence
20:50.28MonetWell it would only be a simulation but I guess the ocmputation could be used to work out in a practical timescale hor to do it.
20:50.55MonetThe PAE's going trans-universal anyway
20:51.32XhoXhodocto - andromeda          wat r u doin
20:52.08dromPAE - ur time is over *zap*
20:52.20MonetPAE - ...Science
20:53.30XhoXhodocto - BASEMENT UNIVERSE DIS
20:55.17dromPAE - Xhodocto is now history, let's get naked. And do science.
21:02.07XhoSantorakh - lemme join
21:02.32ZF101Phase - Did somebody say naked?!
21:03.03dromHachiman Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/uTVqBcZ.jpg
21:04.48MonetActually I've noticed that Andormedan races have a fondness for megastructures.
21:05.14dromNomatarian - *ahem*
21:05.35MonetAndromedans would count Nomatarians as Andromedans
21:06.01dromBut yes, it is like them having a race who can get the biggest boner
21:06.25GhelaePlanets, being spheres, have the lowest surface area-to-volume ratio of anything. It's a far more efficient use of materials to dismantle them and turn them into megastructures.
21:08.04dromGhelae: And turn the core of molten metals to fleets sufficient for one galactic power
21:08.12MonetI was reading up on the GLobus Cassus and wondered if it's something the Draocnis might try with Alcanti. WIth aslight difference being they'd maybe lift important chunks like MInos'Drakon or various cities into place.
21:08.25Ghelaedrom: You can turn some of it into spaceships too, yes.
21:08.47dromGhelae Monet Xho Hachiman Imperios Zf101: http://i.imgur.com/pTR7f6D.jpg
21:08.47DrodoEmpireMonet: Interesting
21:08.59XhoDrom: true
21:09.21GhelaeAlso, stars are so wasteful when they radiate all of their energy into the void of space, to be lost as waste heat for all eternity. And then most of them die catastrophically in a few million years. So why not collect as much of their energy as you can and turn them into long-lived smaller stars too?
21:10.24Ghelaedrom: The bottom pic is probably the more common situation of the two.
21:11.09Imperiosdrom: I WAN' BRI'N TO BE 'BOUH BRI'ISHHH
21:11.16MonetHonestly I wonder if with the Imperium's age there are projects like GLobus Cassus or dyson bubbles positively literring Imperial space.
21:11.35DrodoEmpireMonet: Honestly... Probably would be yeah
21:11.46dromImperios: Only to become a part of the farmer community too fond of tractors and ugly teeth.
21:11.50DrodoEmpirePossibly even like abandoned or half-abandoned ones
21:12.17ImperiosTHEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR LAW ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY
21:12.56dromMonet: "thats too OP, plz downplay"
21:13.00Imperiosdrom: This reminds me, I showed the Muslamic Ray Guns guy to my mother today
21:13.17Xhomuslamic
21:13.18ImperiosShe did not understand a thing but commented that she believes this man would happily kill if told to
21:13.26ImperiosXho: He actually said that
21:13.27GhelaeMonet: Possibly, but I'm also not sure how stable a Globus Cassus is in the long term... you still have a roughly spherically symmetric structure that'll pull itself towards the centre due to gravity.
21:14.19GhelaeMaybe it's supposed to be balaced out by centrifugal force.
21:14.26Ghelaebalanced*
21:14.53MonetGhelae: Something that Draocnid engineers could have compensated for.
21:15.21GhelaeNegative mass in the centre might work.
21:15.28MonetCentrifugal force? Negative mass/energy? High-tensile frameworks? Monopoles?
21:15.48dromGhelae: Lots of dyson spheres with artifical stars
21:16.16GhelaeMonopoles and high tension aren't really going to help, especially given how heavy monopoles are. Centrifugal force and possibly negative mass (if the former isn't enough) is what I'd go for.
21:16.46MonetWHen Oluap unveiled Hyperborea in a story (and before he released the picture of it) I thought that wasa Globus Cassus form his description.
21:18.14MonetHmm given all the secrets and history, it might be the Draconis tried to maintain Alcanti in the centre
21:18.48MonetSo maybe they could have built the shell out of other stellar materials.
21:21.21GhelaeThere's plenty enough material in the universe to build megastructures if you want to save a few planets.
21:22.43MonetAlcanti is an immensely despireable location. Especially now. So it would amke sense for the Draocnis to build a huge amount of space around it.
21:25.35XhoImperios: What do you use to design emblems and whatnot
21:25.45ImperiosPaint.NET and GIMP
21:26.32Xhou wat
21:26.46XhoSurely Paint.NET isn't that high quality
21:28.04MonetAnother reason I remember is Alcanti has historically been used as a showcase - every new design, project or exhibition desires to be seen on Alcanti first, and the rest of the Imperium later.
21:29.15XhoDoes Cyrannian use Paint.NET as well?
21:29.32MonetThat or GIMP
21:30.54Xhodem qualities though
21:30.56dromHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/VeRVtuC.webm
21:31.22drom<PROTECTED>
21:31.56XhoDear god
21:32.58dromXho: http://i.imgur.com/tpi7fG2.gif
21:33.13XhoScary shit
21:34.45dromHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/F1xxgxf.gif
21:34.53dromXho: But that's how Kicath knock on doors
21:35.07HachimanWhat the fuck
21:35.21HachimanAre those asses
21:37.19dromCharles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/PrnXeUy.jpg
21:37.24dromHachiman: :)
21:39.53dromXho: neigh http://i.imgur.com/Yz3Kopy.gif
21:42.54MonetOkay so I guess it is concluded that one of the reasons Draconis didn't expand to dominate the universe while everyone else were throwing sticks at eah other is because they were too busy building giant habitats in space.
21:44.35MonetCombined with their seeding ANdromeda project I guess the Draconis were more preoccupied with cultivating life and civilisation in their personal corner of the universe.
21:45.35MonetWhich...wasn't that the job of the Vi'Navitum?
21:46.49XhoOriginally
21:47.05XhoDrom: Santohorse
21:47.15MonetDraconis - How come we're doing your job now?
21:48.00Monetdrom: That picture of how Brits are seen there is only one epxlaination I can think of: Britons don't go to America to get shitfaced in raves.
21:49.14dromMonet: Now I've got an idea how to explain how the Nomatarians weren't so historically active during the 25000 year period between their migration to Andromeda and present day.
21:49.58MonetEurope is cheaper and one can get shitfaced in Europe at 18 years of age. 16 in some places.
21:50.35dromJesus, those American commericals are so cringey
21:50.53ZF101What do you mean?
21:50.59Monetdrom: Whats your idea?
21:51.06ZF101I've lived here so if their bad it kinda goes over my head.
21:51.53dromZf101: http://i.imgur.com/ZgVc65e.gif http://i.imgur.com/KnekQ2X.gif http://i.imgur.com/PhAuIFE.gif
21:52.00dromThere is even lot more of those
21:52.46Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETrWZsYYJOQ ...what?
21:52.53dromMonet: Building a flat wide artifical ring for important key and other high-population worlds.
21:53.27Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI5LVAArU7s British Carling commercial
21:53.31dromThen large dyson exhibits and solar arrays around stars to harvest the otherwise wasted energy
21:54.21dromZf101: http://i.imgur.com/Z09lyjT.gif http://i.imgur.com/4rOOOlF.gif http://i.imgur.com/M1et0YG.gif
21:54.26dromQuestionable at its best
21:55.14ZF101Huh.
21:55.24Monetdrom: I don't hink we have Alderson disks in SPorewiki.
21:55.24ZF101Never noticed that on TV.
21:56.20dromMonet: Good, now incest, fusion reactors and alderson disks to be copyrighted by the Nomatarians
21:56.31MonetALthough I suppsoe one possible issue with an ALderson disk is that with all that heavy metal, could it pull the star apart?
21:58.00MonetALso I just noticed another concern that I guess could be alleviated by using less material: http://listverse.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/800px-alderson_disk-svg_.png
21:58.11MonetAll that space outside the habitable zone
21:59.54dromJust like ringworlds, but flat and wider
22:01.29dromMonet: Hard to say, but if they share the center, the star probably will only face a slight expansion.
22:04.56GhelaeWhy do you think the disc would pull the star apart?
22:05.18MonetThat's a lot of metal surrounding it
22:05.31MonetWHich presuably has its own gravitational field
22:05.39GhelaeThe gravitational pull of any piece of metal in one direction will be cancelled out by the pull of all the other metal in other directions.
22:05.49dromAlso according what the theory says, the disc will become few times heavier than the star it surronds
22:06.13GhelaeIt's the 2D version of the fact that something inside a 3D shell of material will feel no gravitational pull due to the material.
22:06.43GhelaeHmm. That being said, the top and bottom of the star will be pulled slightly towards the star's centre.
22:07.07GhelaeSo the star will be slightly squashed.
22:07.27dromelliptic star?
22:07.31dromthat sounds interesting
22:07.52GhelaeThey do exist even without megastructures, when stars spin really fast.
22:08.20dromYeah, the centifugal force
22:08.32ImperiosMonet: Literally Minecraft: the Species
22:08.56dromImperios: me me
22:09.35GhelaeThere is a good example of this, but I don't remember which star it is.
22:10.15ImperiosDraconis - FUCK YOU ALL FIGHTING, MUST BUILD MORE STUFF
22:10.43ImperiosSo what you are trying to say is that they were satisfied with their way of life and focused more on inward development rather than colonisation
22:10.47ImperiosSo... a bit like space China
22:11.43MonetSOmething like that.
22:12.00MonetA lot of their expansion probably came from the various provinces joining or expanding
22:12.08dromGhelae: Is neutron stars, in layman's terms, stars you can shed energy from it and can it support life at a certain zone, provided that you build artifical habit(s) at that zone?
22:12.49GhelaeThere's too high a magnetic field and too much ionising radiation for that I think, but I'll have to check.
22:14.46GhelaePulsars specifically will have a huge magnetic field, but non-spinning neutron stars shouldn't.
22:16.32GhelaeYeah; the peak wavelength emitted by neutron stars will be in the x-ray range.
22:17.45dromNomatarian - Today, my gentlemen. We present the universe's biggest nuclear reactor!
22:17.53GhelaeIf you have magical shielding technology (which I guess the SporeWikiverse does), you may be able to make shielded habitats that convert x-rays into thermal energy with high enough efficiency to keep their inhabitants safe.
22:18.18GhelaeSo in that case, yes, you can make life-supporting artificial habitats around a (non-rotating) neutron star.
22:18.26ZF101Bye bye all.
22:19.22dromGhelae: And lots lots of lead?
22:20.52GhelaeA lot of lead might be the appropriate shielding.
22:21.43dromAt least 2 meter of lead, right?
22:21.57Xho60 light years
22:22.31dromfuk you, xhodocto can't into physics
22:23.23Xhodats wher ur wrong
22:23.29Xhophysics can't into xhodocto
22:23.47GhelaeI would have to do actual calculations and I don't feel like doing that.
22:24.00XhoAI Ghelae is all AI'd out
22:24.16GhelaeIf you want to Google how much lead you'd need to stop x-rays when you're a certain distance from a neutron star, and hope you can get an answer, feel free to do so.
22:24.58dromGhelae: But still the thumb rule is that, 1x1x1 block can block out the most off if not all of gamma rays
22:26.40Hachiman60 moths
22:26.47GhelaeGiven an initial intensity J, a distance x, and an absorption coefficient k, the intensity I = J*exp(-k*x). Find a suitable value of I that you consider safe, then by plugging in J (from the neutron star temperature + Planck's law with a load of maths + inverse square law) and k (lead absorption for x-rays), you can find the appropriate thickness x.
22:27.20dromhm, i'm saving dis
22:27.21Ghelaei.e. x = -ln(I/J)/k
22:29.04XhoHachiman: break the universe why don't you
22:29.14GhelaeSuitable values for I and k you might be able to find. J will require more work. Planck's law can be used to find the emitted intensity over a given range of wavelengths; use Wien's displacement law to select where the peak of the emission is.
22:30.06dromXho Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/3P1m2U9.gif
22:30.39GhelaeThen take this intensity, multiply by the squared radius of the neutron star then divide by the squared radius of the star-hab distance. That gives you J.
22:33.11dromHachiman: Moths are fricking cute aren't they?
22:33.29HachimanI fucking hate moths
22:33.34HachimanI want them all to die
22:33.38DrodoEmpireD:
22:34.06ImperiosHachiman Monet: How do I explain to my friend why someone would want to escape the Black Ships
22:34.16dromGhelae: I've saved this conversation so I can go and do some mathematical programming solving this someday.
22:34.24DrodoEmpire*Ships of Colour
22:34.44dromHachiman: My favorite SS13 station has Mothmen
22:34.45Imperios#PsykerLivesMatter
22:34.49ImperiosOther than the Astronomican
22:35.16MonetTou are fated to have your soul consumed by the Emperor
22:35.31HachimanBecause there is a ton of stuff wrong with the Inquisition
22:36.23ImperiosThis guy says he'd like to be a sanctioned psyker hur
22:37.19HachimanYou do not get to choose and no you would not
22:37.21MonetI thought being a sanctioned psyker did not require you to be shipped to Terra
22:37.57HachimanYou are at constant risk of Daemonic possession and your presence serves as a supernatural beacon thus a danger to everyone around you
22:38.59ImperiosThat was the first thing I explained to him hur
22:39.16Imperios"You have magic but then you can accidentally make a portal to Hell"
22:39.39HachimanYou will also be mistreated by everyone
22:39.48HachimanAnd treated as almost inhuman with an air of prejudice
22:40.10HachimanBeing a psyker is almost effectively like being gay except a little more dangerous for all parties
22:40.20ImperiosDaemon AIDS
22:40.33HachimanFunny because Nurgle / Slaanesh
22:41.29HachimanEldar will also laugh at your puny psychic powers
22:43.13ImperiosActually I think that a human can theoretically be stronger than an Eldar at psychic powers
22:44.37HachimanMaybe but nowhere near as controlled
22:44.52HachimanHuman psykers are like shotguns while Eldar are like sniper rifles
22:45.34ImperiosOf course
22:45.46HachimanHumans are better at large, erratic bursts of psychic power while Eldar are far more refined and know how to utilize them properly
22:46.07HachimanWhich is kinda ironic because Eldar are supposed to experience emotions on a far greater level than humans
22:48.00HachimanI would hate to see Khornate Eldar
22:48.09ImperiosIt would also be kind of hilarious
22:48.14HachimanIt kinda would
22:48.16ImperiosAnd actually very logical if you think about it
22:48.25ImperiosI mean they both hate Slaanesh
22:48.35HachimanAye
22:48.47HachimanPlus Khorne and Khaine are rather similar entities
22:49.29HachimanIt would not be difficult to think that Khainite Eldar would be at risk to falling to the violent urges of Khorne
22:50.34HachimanIt is just a shame that Avatars of Khaine fucking suck whenever they appear
22:52.43Imperios"KHAINE, MARNEUS CALGAR'S PERSONAL PLEASURE OBJECT"
22:53.35ImperiosSpeaking of which remind me
22:53.49ImperiosBeing used as food for the Emperor is treated as an honour, right?
22:53.54HachimanYes
22:54.07HachimanDoing anything for the Emperor is often considered an honour
22:55.38ImperiosLol you just reminded me of one fanfic I read
22:56.01dromXho: *insert Willie complaining about everything ruining Scottland template here* "Goddamn Kicaths destroyed glory of Kicath!"
22:56.26ImperiosHachiman: "Bob liked having potato-peeling contests with Gav. Gav kept on loosing but Gav did not mind, because he was peeling potatoes for the Emperor."
22:56.35HachimanI remember this
22:56.39HachimanThis fanfic broke my heart
22:57.04ImperiosBroke as in it was cute
22:57.10ImperiosOr broke as in SQUAD BROKEN
22:57.22HachimanAs in it was cute and far too saddening and emotional
22:57.45ImperiosI do not remember what else happened there
22:57.50ImperiosBut PEELING POTATOES FOR THE EMPEROR
22:58.18ImperiosSeriously though, this guy asked me how are the psykers used for Astronomicon are treated on Terra
22:58.27HachimanWell
22:58.37dromAnyway. Ghelae, Money and Xho. One of my ideas regarding Alderson discs is to build them surronding neutron stars. A definite challenge to engineering the structural integrity and infrastructure to deliever all the materials needed.
22:58.41Imperios*for the Astronomicon
22:58.42HachimanPsykers that are condemned to be used as fuel for the Golden Throne are actually treated quite well
22:58.55HachimanThey are given a few months of luxuries I believe
22:59.09GhelaeIs there any reason why you want to build Alderson discs around neutron stars?
22:59.59ImperiosFor some reason this guy said he'd hate to be an actual combat psyker and would rather be an Astropath
23:00.21Imperios"I'd rather be a Skype, or even a battery, than cannon fodder"
23:00.22dromFor one, they are smaller. Requring less materials as you can build a smaller disc with a smaller hole.
23:00.41MonetSo it was being on the front lines or having your eyes bruned out by the EMperor's psychic brilliance?
23:00.58Monetdrom: Their habitable zones are different I think
23:01.04ImperiosHe apparently preferred the latter over the former
23:01.28ImperiosLosing one's eyesight would probably not debilitate a telepath
23:01.35MonetProbably a case of "I'll do anything I jsut don't want to be on the front-line"
23:01.38HachimanUnderstandable given the horrors of the frontline
23:01.56ImperiosHachiman: He'll roll 2 on D6 eventually
23:02.00ImperiosD12 even
23:02.03Imperios2D6 even
23:02.06Hachimanhur
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23:03.36dromMonet: I'm aware of that, although that is for the possiblity of harassing lot of energy using conventional nuclear reactor technology by capturing the radiation and other ionizing radiation with a system similar to what we use today.
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23:04.09ImpyDroidActually come to think about it
23:04.40dromNot exactly nuclear technology, but think solar panels heating [radioactive] water running against a turbine and a heater element.
23:04.43MonetModern nuclear reactors are a little less impressive than they sound.
23:04.58ImpyDroidHow lucky should an old psyker even be to survive if he has a 1/6 chance to get a lightning to the face every time he does his magik
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23:05.20MonetThe water in a nuclear reactor is radioactive because the radiation form the core is designed ot turn it int osteam.
23:06.03MonetIn their simplest forms, nuclear reactors are giant water boilers.
23:06.15ImpyDroidI wonder, the psyker system was expanded on in the last editions, right?
23:06.22dromThat it floods the centre where the reactions occur, so there is that
23:06.25ImpyDroidDid they add a miscast system like in WHFB?
23:06.33ImpyDroidBecause damn it was fun
23:06.50HachimanNot sure
23:07.00HachimanI think so
23:07.20MonetNuclear reactors are mrely another method of converting water into steam.
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23:07.51MonetThey provide al ot of energy because compared ot coal or natural gas, the water boils so easily that a coolant is required to avoid a meltdown
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23:10.07dromMonet: Exactly, this is what I'm reusing. The water run through a large array that absorbs the radiation and turns it to heat, if not directly to electricity. The heat warms up the water or whatever flows through it and boils easily.
23:11.59MonetApologies for being a pedant but you don't need to turn radiation into heat. THis array could simply be on top of the water pipes.
23:12.51MonetTne material heats up, thermal conduction heats the water flowing though the pipes underneath which run to a turbine connected to a dynamo.
23:12.52dromPardon, but I'm a bit lost at your suggestion
23:13.50dromThat's what I was trying to talk about.
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23:14.21dromExpect the pipe system is seperate from the water distribution network.
23:15.27dromhell, I'm too tired
23:16.14dromMonet: Scrap this for today, I'll be explaining my side of the idea on paper the other day.
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23:40.23XhoSo I played Dota 2
23:40.26Xho0/7/1
23:40.29XhoI am not good
23:41.28MonetIt's your first match.
23:41.42MonetEveryone's first matches tend to suck.
23:46.50ImpyDroidXho: How many Russians
23:47.00XhoAt least 1
23:47.37ImpyDroidcyka
23:49.24TechnobliteratorXho, honestly, 0/7/1 for a first match is pretty good
23:49.27ImpyDroidLook what I found (warning, some photos are NSFW)
23:49.34ImpyDroidhttp://necianavine.tumblr.com/ Literally a set SJW
23:49.38ImpyDroidsexy SJW
23:49.38Technobliteratorseveral people with 3k MMR or so still have games like that : |
23:50.08Technobliteratoralso
23:50.11TechnobliteratorI dunno why you posted that
23:50.16ImpyDroidI am still not sure how you can look so Tumblr and still be sexy
23:50.35ImpyDroidBecause I can, I warned you folks
23:50.48Technobliteratorthis is a public channel
23:50.51Technobliteratorplease don't do that
23:51.07TechnobliteratorI mean
23:51.13TechnobliteratorI don't think we have a rule against it
23:52.17XhoWell he did put NSFW
23:52.25XhoI usually do that when I post gruesome stuff
23:53.14Technobliteratormeh
23:53.18TechnobliteratorI guess we have no rules for it
23:53.20ImpyDroidThat is why I issue warnings
23:53.38ImpyDroidI once stopped a large argument by posting porn
23:53.43ImpyDroidDistracting Hachi
23:53.45Technobliteratorhowever
23:53.59Technobliteratorthere was someone on another IRC channel who posted worse stuff
23:54.00XhoHachi's wank bank is infinite and forever expanding, much like the universe
23:54.01ImpyDroidNever mention that
23:54.03ImpyDroidNever
23:54.27Technobliteratorand posted lots of it to minors
23:54.37Technobliteratorand was permabanned
23:54.56ImpyDroidI once checked Hachi's favs of FA
23:55.02ImpyDroidMy eyes bled
23:55.07ImpyDroid*on
23:55.14ImpyDroid*My* eyes bled
23:55.24ImpyDroidWhat would happen to you however
23:55.47ImpyDroidThen again my favs on DA are full of erotic stuff too
23:56.12Technobliteratorthere is worse stuff on the internet
23:56.27ImpyDroidYes, such as FA
23:56.33XhoFA?
23:56.34ImpyDroidFA is literally Hell
23:56.49ImpyDroidXho: FurAffinity aka the Seventh Circle of Hell
23:57.26ImpyDroidActually 75% of my DA faves are NSFW
23:57.35ImpyDroidThough most of it is just creepy
23:57.52MonetFA feels like the Seventh Circle, but 90% of that time I think it deals with the FIrst circle
23:58.24ImpyDroidWell rather it is just Hell
23:58.32ImpyDroidThere is the First Circle
23:58.39XhoOh god what
23:58.44ImpyDroidWhich is cute fluffy animals
23:59.02ImpyDroidHachi goes somewhere to the Fourth Circle or so
23:59.06XhoNinth Circle is just so bad it freezes your soul
23:59.16ImpyDroidXho: Worse yet someone will fap to it
23:59.23Technobliterator._.
23:59.34ImpyDroidexactly
23:59.59ImpyDroidhttp://orig15.deviantart.net/2405/f/2011/109/7/8/blind_fear_by_sally_jackson-d2nh7l0.jpg

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