| 00:00.02 | OluapPlayer | "helped" |
| 00:00.04 | AdmiralPanda | well, not everyone, but that was the gist of the plan |
| 00:00.31 | Technobliterator | UNO turned Borealis around twice. Once for the better, once for the worse. |
| 00:00.42 | Xho | OluapPlayer: In the general Kicathian sense of splash damage extraordinares |
| 00:00.52 | OluapPlayer | They didn't do anything major |
| 00:00.52 | AdmiralPanda | and the best bit is, nobody said anything afterwards because they knew the Fordanta were the Fordanta |
| 00:01.01 | OluapPlayer | At least not on-screen |
| 00:01.04 | Xho | c |
| 00:01.19 | OluapPlayer | If something happened off-screen it needs to go thru me first |
| 00:01.44 | Xho | Well I imagine their councillor status in the PCA has helped improve the economy/security and stuff |
| 00:01.45 | OluapPlayer | And as far as I'm aware, all they did since they arrived is look rude and contribute 2 people to a war |
| 00:01.48 | Monet | What was allowing agents to police the galaxy? |
| 00:02.05 | Xho | Monet: If the Agents are policing Borealis, it's not PCA-sanctioned |
| 00:02.28 | Technobliterator | Pretty sure the Kicath were involved in the fight against Regnatus, no? |
| 00:02.33 | Monet | Also I'd coutn setting up a GITO trade capital as helping. |
| 00:02.41 | Xho | Technobliterator: Tau and Nu |
| 00:02.43 | OluapPlayer | Only 2 Kicath were in the war |
| 00:02.59 | OluapPlayer | So they ddin't really contribute at all |
| 00:03.06 | Technobliterator | The entire war? Can't we retcon them to have been in it more :o |
| 00:03.48 | OluapPlayer | The PCA puts all responsibility on the Agents on the Kicathian Remnant. If they can't control them, that's not the overall PCA's problem |
| 00:04.15 | Xho | Nu - I'M THE VERY MODEL OF A MODERN MAJOR GENERAL |
| 00:04.52 | Monet | So Agent permission boils down to "If there aer any problems its' the Kicaths' fault" |
| 00:04.58 | AdmiralPanda | I can honestly imagine that song (in parody) being an unofficial thing citizens of the ANZR sing the moment they see anyone british |
| 00:04.59 | Xho | Basically |
| 00:05.16 | OluapPlayer | Agents are treated as Remnant citizens |
| 00:05.43 | Xho | The Kicathian government has taken more measures to control the Agents considering three of them are rogue and two of them are essence-pumped |
| 00:06.34 | Xho | That and Kithworto as a councillor generally indicates that Agents aren't going to tempt fate |
| 00:07.59 | Xho | Though the Remnant generally treats the Agents as a unique body that aren't bound to Kicathian laws, though the Remnant are touchy on galactic laws nowadays |
| 00:08.30 | Xho | The Agency themselves are slowly acclimatising to having to work under galactic scrutiny, it's not something they like to live with |
| 00:08.43 | Xho | Or even intergalactic scrutiny |
| 00:09.33 | Monet | To be fair on the Remnant's expansion, the DI is like 10 million systems and is going toe-to-toe with the DCP |
| 00:09.39 | OluapPlayer | If they want to serve as a law force in the PCA, they have to apply to the Aegis Guard |
| 00:10.07 | OluapPlayer | Being an Agent would probably get you a higher chance of being accepted on the basis that all Agents have experience in combat |
| 00:10.49 | OluapPlayer | But the mere fact that you're an Agent doesn't get you free will to shoot everyone you meet by the PCA's laws |
| 00:11.02 | Xho | Nu - y tho |
| 00:12.01 | Xho | Whilst it would be logical to serve under the PCA body, the Agents would generally assume it means they'd be subject to accountability |
| 00:13.16 | Xho | The anonymity of the Agents is their primary attribute, also why the Gigaquadrant tends to seem as a bunch of superpowered psychopaths |
| 00:13.40 | OluapPlayer | That is one reason they're not recognized as law enforcers |
| 00:14.51 | Xho | Kithworto doesn't really want them to be law enforcers either, since they're actually not designed to be law enforcers |
| 00:15.28 | OluapPlayer | Throw them all at the Loron |
| 00:15.31 | OluapPlayer | Whoever loses, the PCA wins |
| 00:16.00 | Xho | Most of their operations are solely in the Remnant's interests, though of course the Agents have acted in Gigaquadrantic interest more than once |
| 00:16.34 | Monet | I suppose that's also when the Remnant's interests align with everyoen elses' |
| 00:16.54 | Xho | Most of the time they do as they are there to maintain order |
| 00:17.00 | Xho | Though not in a very subtle manner |
| 00:17.27 | Xho | And being politically indiscriminate they'd have no problem in going against the Remnant if it required them to do so |
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| 00:20.29 | Xho | It does make me wonder whether the Aegis Guard has a presence in Remnant territory |
| 00:20.39 | Xho | Hi |
| 00:20.41 | OluapPlayer | It doesn't |
| 00:20.51 | OluapPlayer | They only work in conjoined territories like Hyperborea |
| 00:34.10 | External | as |
| 00:38.51 | TekDroid | I still have no idea where The_Randomness is in our civ game. XD |
| 00:39.10 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:39.21 | TekDroid | Or any AIs |
| 00:39.32 | The_Randomness | I know all too well where Spain is |
| 00:39.44 | TekDroid | heh |
| 00:39.57 | The_Randomness | Still not sure whether I should go to war or not |
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| 00:40.53 | Tek0516 | I've basically only found Charles' and Monet's advance scouts plus around half a dozen city states |
| 00:41.20 | Monet | Build more boats |
| 00:42.50 | Tek0516 | The water tiles only left me with a tiny path in one direction to Charles' civ. |
| 00:43.04 | Tek0516 | At least now I have Compass |
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| 01:32.43 | TekDroid_ | Hello DrodoEmpire |
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| 01:49.10 | Wormydroid | Hu |
| 01:49.28 | Monet | Hi |
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| 01:50.50 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 01:51.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
| 01:51.34 | Quark8 | How are you? |
| 01:52.06 | Wormydroid | Great |
| 01:56.13 | Wormydroid | Test |
| 01:56.25 | DrodoEmpire | I'm doing well |
| 01:57.56 | Wormydroid | How art thou? |
| 01:58.17 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet%3ACoron - Oh yeah I did some edits on this page earlier |
| 01:59.04 | Wormydroid | Error 404 D: |
| 01:59.08 | DrodoEmpire | I'm... doing-ith well? XD |
| 01:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 01:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | Works fine for me... |
| 01:59.34 | DrodoEmpire | Lemme try again |
| 01:59.44 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet%3ACoron |
| 01:59.44 | Wormydroid | On my weaker mobile network aye |
| 01:59.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh |
| 01:59.52 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 02:00.00 | DrodoEmpire | That might explain it |
| 02:00.20 | Wormydroid | Getting the same, sory. |
| 02:00.36 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, alright |
| 02:00.41 | DrodoEmpire | No problem |
| 02:07.27 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, thoughts? |
| 02:07.37 | Monet | DrodoEMpire: Can the Imperium ahve an embassy? or would it be closed for now? |
| 02:07.49 | DrodoEmpire | That'd be fine, sure |
| 02:08.23 | DrodoEmpire | Jivirik may not be a fan of either side in the Xonexi conflict, but he's only really hostile towards France |
| 02:08.33 | DrodoEmpire | While you're at it could you remove the French embassy? |
| 02:08.49 | DrodoEmpire | The state it represented no longer exists. :p |
| 02:15.31 | Monet | Done. That okay? |
| 02:16.02 | DrodoEmpire | Aye, looks great |
| 02:25.53 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalBestOfTumblr/videos/1309165369234657/ |
| 02:26.09 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 02:29.45 | Xho | That is quite literally Fallout New Vegas in one gif |
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| 02:38.58 | Wormydroid | How do |
| 02:39.33 | Monet | https://www.facebook.com/ignbrasil/videos/1680440305541909/?fref=nf have some Prequel goofiness |
| 02:40.25 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:41.00 | Monet | *R2-D2 falls over and decapitates himself* |
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| 02:41.50 | Wormydroid | Fuck |
| 02:42.14 | DrodoEmpire | D: |
| 02:42.33 | Wormydroid | Greetings |
| 02:43.48 | Monet | Hello |
| 02:43.49 | Monet | Wormydroid: https://www.facebook.com/ignbrasil/videos/1680440305541909/?fref=nf |
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| 02:48.55 | Wormydroid_ | Hio |
| 02:51.42 | Monet | Unstable connection? |
| 02:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | Must be... |
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| 10:52.15 | Imperios | Hi |
| 10:53.13 | DarcySupremest | heyo1 |
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| 11:24.10 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 11:25.46 | AdmiralPanda | hai buniman |
| 11:28.00 | DarcySupremest | hullo |
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| 12:00.00 | DarcySupremest | heyo |
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| 12:02.58 | Wormydroid | hi |
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| 12:10.16 | AdmiralPanda | hi u |
| 12:10.17 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:10.21 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:56.14 | Technobliterator | dumbo |
| 12:56.51 | Technobliterator | Of course, this game had to throw another bug at me - I can't get the side op required for wormhole fultons : | |
| 12:59.46 | Technobliterator | oh, I asked on reddit and they just said that I have to beat the Quiet mission seven times back to back instead of just incrementally doing it |
| 12:59.51 | Technobliterator | that's where I went wrong I guess? |
| 13:00.31 | OluapPlayer | Eh I don't know, I never heard of that |
| 13:00.49 | Technobliterator | Of wormhole fultons or the back-to-back requirement? |
| 13:01.10 | DarcySupremest | They fixed that exploit where you could cheese the Quiet duel |
| 13:01.15 | OluapPlayer | Back to back |
| 13:01.17 | DarcySupremest | which makes that option much less pallatable |
| 13:01.35 | Technobliterator | oh right |
| 13:01.40 | Technobliterator | I'll just try it tonight or something |
| 13:08.45 | DarcySupremest | So |
| 13:08.47 | DarcySupremest | all done |
| 13:09.16 | DarcySupremest | for those interested, my outline for my new empire is complete if anybody cares to read it? |
| 13:09.28 | Hachiman | Sure |
| 13:11.37 | DarcySupremest | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hqXjFcwHxvUcbBDUxzh6dwwT0is3R89LxKukx_iXCCs/edit |
| 13:11.45 | DarcySupremest | Apologies for spelling and grammar mistakes |
| 13:15.09 | Hachiman | So in basic, the Voidborn are a combination of the Tau and Necrons |
| 13:17.07 | DarcySupremest | Necrons are more accurate |
| 13:17.25 | Hachiman | I say Tau because of the coalition-centric nature of the Voidbirn |
| 13:17.29 | Hachiman | Voidborn even |
| 13:17.32 | DarcySupremest | Oh yeah derp |
| 13:17.40 | DarcySupremest | I was like "Where is he getting Tau from" |
| 13:17.52 | DarcySupremest | Warhammer has began to effect me on a subconcious level |
| 13:17.58 | DarcySupremest | This is probably not good |
| 13:18.08 | Hachiman | On all levels except physical, I am Warhammer 40kin |
| 13:18.21 | Hachiman | [HERESY] |
| 13:20.23 | DarcySupremest | I am a duplicitous system |
| 13:20.28 | DarcySupremest | of 40k |
| 13:20.31 | DarcySupremest | and my self |
| 13:21.53 | AdmiralPanda | there's nothing wrong with having 40k in you |
| 13:21.58 | DarcySupremest | But yeah, I went for bad guys again, because having an empire the more Lawful good empries can go to war with guilt should make the meta game more interesting |
| 13:22.00 | DarcySupremest | I mean... |
| 13:22.05 | DarcySupremest | Is better storywise... |
| 13:22.07 | DarcySupremest | and stuff. |
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| 13:23.50 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:24.01 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 13:24.04 | DarcySupremest | Heyo Monet |
| 13:24.48 | DarcySupremest | I should offer the draft to you also Monet if you've got the time |
| 13:24.55 | DarcySupremest | I'm just looking for opinions on it |
| 13:25.03 | Monet | Okay |
| 13:26.23 | DarcySupremest | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hqXjFcwHxvUcbBDUxzh6dwwT0is3R89LxKukx_iXCCs/edit |
| 13:27.04 | DarcySupremest | Apologies for it being a rough mess but |
| 13:27.17 | DarcySupremest | I'm too lazy to proofread a draft in any detail |
| 13:29.43 | Monet | To quote John Green: Nine hundred millino years is a long-ass time. |
| 13:30.47 | DarcySupremest | It was going to be shorter and then I realized the history of the wikiverse is huge |
| 13:31.19 | DarcySupremest | the idea was just that they come from a time where everybody would have forgotten about them |
| 13:31.35 | DarcySupremest | and all of the current major players wouldn't have any idea who they were |
| 13:31.50 | DarcySupremest | and why these strange robots are currently digging around on their colonies looking for space junk |
| 13:32.19 | Hachiman | The oldest mortal empires are not much more than 10,000 years old barring the Dracogonarious |
| 13:33.27 | Monet | I think I considered after you left if the Singularity would lead ot humans becoming robots. |
| 13:33.27 | Monet | I aimagine osme sort of synthesis. But that's merely my opinion. |
| 13:33.53 | Monet | (and by synthesis I Mean something more than "humans put themselves into Terminator bodies" |
| 13:34.11 | DarcySupremest | It comes out of an idea I had for a real story that like |
| 13:34.17 | DarcySupremest | I never had any idea how to make it a real story |
| 13:34.36 | Hachiman | Most stories are not real hur |
| 13:34.39 | DarcySupremest | it was just a concept floating around of a post singularity race realizing that they're not actually immortals |
| 13:35.09 | DarcySupremest | and when your concept of time is "Oh man 10,000 years is nothing" entropy would be like |
| 13:35.12 | DarcySupremest | a real issue |
| 13:35.37 | Monet | "The Grim War" sounds like a pun on rrimoire. |
| 13:35.54 | Monet | grimoire* |
| 13:36.14 | DarcySupremest | so it is |
| 13:36.18 | DarcySupremest | that went right over my head |
| 13:39.20 | Monet | Regarding what woke them up though, maybe the Shattering in ANdromeda? |
| 13:40.07 | Monet | Andromeda was essentially 'cracked' by hyperspace fissures. |
| 13:40.37 | DarcySupremest | That actually fits very well |
| 13:41.00 | DarcySupremest | Something enormous was what knocked them around in hyperspace |
| 13:41.07 | DarcySupremest | and that was a huge event |
| 13:41.10 | DarcySupremest | so it fits |
| 13:46.07 | DarcySupremest | But yeah as I said before, I think playing the intergalactic boogeymen could be fun for the meta game |
| 13:46.31 | DarcySupremest | a lot of other users would probably welcome a "bad guy" with no real like |
| 13:46.35 | DarcySupremest | moral qualms |
| 13:46.37 | Hachiman | Xhodocto kinda already fit the narrative of bogeymen though |
| 13:46.51 | DarcySupremest | yeah but like, you can't really fight them |
| 13:47.08 | DarcySupremest | because they're uncomprihensible species of nightmares and suffering |
| 13:48.08 | Monet | The boogeyman's not as scary if you know you can kill him |
| 13:48.52 | DarcySupremest | >Implying I couldn't kill the boogeyman |
| 13:48.53 | Monet | Also "bad guy with no moral qualms" has been done lot tbh. |
| 13:49.20 | DarcySupremest | That is also very true |
| 13:49.35 | DarcySupremest | But I dunno if the "Moral Grey Area" thing works |
| 13:49.48 | DarcySupremest | because Wormy is essnetially doing that with the DCP right? |
| 13:50.04 | Hachiman | DCP does have some good characters |
| 13:50.26 | DarcySupremest | I could focus on the whole |
| 13:50.38 | DarcySupremest | "Science at the cost of saftey thing" |
| 13:50.49 | DarcySupremest | That they're not evil |
| 13:51.05 | DarcySupremest | they just do whatever is neccessary to get their shit back |
| 13:51.12 | DarcySupremest | so they can continue work finally |
| 13:51.20 | Monet | Perhaps that could work |
| 13:51.29 | DarcySupremest | and if that means just going in and taking it, or playing nice so be it |
| 13:51.42 | DarcySupremest | they just want their relics back |
| 13:52.23 | DarcySupremest | Make them sort of a Victor Frankenstein homage |
| 13:52.44 | DarcySupremest | eg "Is it a good idea to try make this Cataclysm happen again." |
| 13:53.08 | DarcySupremest | "Do we really know if this will end well, and do they care if it does." |
| 13:54.36 | Hachiman | Oh God I just found a horrifying spell from the Ultimate Magic book for Pathfinder |
| 13:54.53 | Hachiman | A 9th Lvl spell called Transmute Blood to Acid |
| 13:55.02 | AdmiralPanda | oh yeah that one's pretty nasty |
| 13:56.26 | Hachiman | "If this damage reduces the creature to 0 or fewer hit points, it dissolves, leaving only the barest trace of remains." |
| 13:56.38 | Hachiman | "Anyone who strikes the target with a non-reach melee weapon, natural weapon, or unarmed attack takes 3d6 points of acid damage as the acidic blood sprays on the attacker. If the attack is from a piercing or slashing manufactured weapon, the weapon also takes this damage." |
| 13:56.43 | Hachiman | The target becomes a walking sack of acid |
| 13:57.08 | AdmiralPanda | you haven't lived until an evil sorcerer casts that on an underling and turns them into a walking acid bomb |
| 13:57.16 | AdmiralPanda | and then sends that bomb at you |
| 13:58.09 | DarcySupremest | Sounds like 3rd edition to me |
| 13:58.20 | AdmiralPanda | Pathfinder was a rework of 3.5 |
| 13:58.21 | DarcySupremest | I wonder if that is still in 5e |
| 13:58.30 | DarcySupremest | yeah |
| 13:58.44 | DarcySupremest | Was it? I was told it was just 3.5 edition |
| 13:58.47 | DarcySupremest | and it was a creator split |
| 13:59.00 | AdmiralPanda | 3.5 is its own thing |
| 13:59.01 | DarcySupremest | because Wizards wanted to make 4th edition more streamlined or something |
| 13:59.16 | Monet | No one talsk about 4thed |
| 13:59.31 | Monet | talks* |
| 13:59.31 | DarcySupremest | and half of the writers were old guards who browse /tg/ |
| 14:00.14 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 14:00.24 | Hachiman | But yes, 4th Edition does not exist |
| 14:00.33 | AdmiralPanda | Paizo publishing used to manage the magazines Dungeon and Dragon, when they got wind of what was happening with 4th they made their own rework of 3.5 |
| 14:00.49 | DarcySupremest | Ah, that makes sense |
| 14:02.00 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: On the subject earlier of pathfinder discouraging multiclassing, it's not so much that as the lead designer thought the classes lacked incentive to stay in one up until 20 |
| 14:02.29 | Hachiman | Hm I suppose that is fair |
| 14:08.44 | AdmiralPanda | I didn't know the actual reason myself, I just wikipedia'd it :P |
| 14:19.00 | Hachiman | "Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Star." "What?" "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." "What's that make us?" "Absolutely nothing. Which is what you are about to become." |
| 14:25.00 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:26.18 | Monet | Oh |
| 14:28.34 | Wormydroid | Monet: Liberty Prime is awesome. |
| 14:29.10 | Wormydroid | COMMUNISM IS FAILURE *boom* |
| 14:31.31 | Monet | He is wonderfullyt hammy |
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| 14:37.03 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:39.57 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:40.45 | Hachiman | Wormydroid: "Can stop a laser in mid air, can suck thoughts from your mind, does not fear anybody, takes a laser blast from Chewbacca's weapon, not afraid to show his face, often approaches his own enemies, fights while bleeding out in the freezing cold. Labelled a crybaby." |
| 14:40.53 | Hachiman | An analysis about how people view Kylo Ren |
| 14:41.06 | AdmiralPanda | because he is a crybaby |
| 14:41.21 | AdmiralPanda | being badarse doesn't change the fact that you have tantrums |
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| 14:41.41 | OluapPlayer | ~dropkick Cyrannian |
| 14:41.42 | infobot | ACTION sends Cyrannian flying like a yipping chihuahua |
| 14:41.48 | Cyrannian | ~slap OluapPlayer |
| 14:41.49 | infobot | ACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:42.21 | Hachiman | True but still, a lot of people discredit Kylo Ren because of the fact he is not following your typical Darth Vader narrative |
| 14:43.25 | Monet | But he wants to be Darth Vader though |
| 14:43.38 | Hachiman | He *wants* to be Darth Vader but the important fact is that he *isn't* |
| 14:44.04 | Wormydroid | He is in a process of self-discovery |
| 14:44.44 | Monet | Wormy has a point actually |
| 14:45.01 | Monet | Yes he throws tantrums...but that might jsut mean he is quite in touch with his emotions. |
| 14:45.03 | Monet | Something the Sith strive for. |
| 14:45.25 | Hachiman | I think I actually prefer Kylo Ren's gradual and more subtle character development to Rey's more dramatic and immediate development |
| 14:46.18 | Hachiman | Not to say that I do not like Rey but I find it ridiculous that she can tap into the more adept-level powers of the Force despite just discovering she had these powers and is able to rival Kylo Ren despite herself being a noob while he is a former-Padawan |
| 14:46.45 | Monet | I'm not sure I liked Rey's reasons for staying. |
| 14:46.58 | Monet | on Jakku |
| 14:47.19 | Hachiman | Even Luke required outside training and took a lot longer to access and master his Force powers than Rey who seems to do it in one movie |
| 14:48.25 | Monet | It might have been intentional but Rey's situation sounded comparable to "Dad went to the store to get some bacon 20 years ago and I'm waiting till he comes back." |
| 14:48.39 | Hachiman | I am still convinced that she is connected to Obi-Wan rather than Luke |
| 14:48.48 | AdmiralPanda | that's because that's exactly what it was :P |
| 14:49.42 | Hachiman | She demonstrated the Jedi mind trick which is more iconic of Kenobi than it is with Skywalker |
| 14:49.54 | Hachiman | Even though she should not have known how to fucking do that ugh |
| 14:50.11 | Monet | Yay more Chosen One bullshit! |
| 14:50.35 | Hachiman | At least she is a literal midichlorian Jesus like Anakin was |
| 14:50.41 | Hachiman | Not even |
| 14:50.45 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 14:50.50 | AdmiralPanda | to be fair, back in the day you used to have plenty of people who could subconsciously use the force, even supposedly higher powers like mind reading |
| 14:52.09 | AdmiralPanda | I do find it somewhat BS that she was able to out-mindfuck Kylo, but using a force suggestion I wouldn't entirely put beyond her |
| 14:52.51 | Hachiman | The reason why I hate her Force suggestion trick is because how the fuck would she have known she could use the Force to do that if she does not have any previous experience with the Force up until that day |
| 14:53.11 | AdmiralPanda | she's heard the stories |
| 14:53.25 | Monet | I think this also might be the first time Force Mindfuck has been usedi n the films. |
| 14:53.42 | Monet | Darth Vader did it in VI but he didn't need to pass a brick to do it. |
| 14:53.45 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Darth Vader read Luke's mind in VI |
| 14:54.12 | Monet | I just said. |
| 14:54.27 | AdmiralPanda | we were typing that literally at teh same time :P |
| 14:54.52 | Monet | Yeah fair point |
| 14:55.21 | Monet | My point still stands - From the sound of his voice Vader didn't look like he was straining when he did it. |
| 14:55.29 | AdmiralPanda | yeah I get your point |
| 14:56.24 | Hachiman | If Snoke is not Plagueis and is just some random Sith Lord who went into hiding then I know *I* am going to shit a brick |
| 14:57.02 | AdmiralPanda | if Snoke is Plagueis then Palpatine is a twat |
| 14:57.21 | Monet | Yeah |
| 14:58.15 | Monet | Didn't follow the Sith rules properly. |
| 14:58.29 | AdmiralPanda | more importantly he's a liar about something he has no reason to lie about |
| 14:58.53 | Hachiman | Unless Palpatine did not know Plagueis was still around |
| 14:59.14 | Monet | "I killed my master in his sleep...I think" |
| 14:59.49 | Hachiman | But then Palpatine has always been a manipulative liar |
| 15:00.04 | Cyrannian | http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/who-is-supreme-leader-snoke/ - The last theory is the more likely explanation |
| 15:00.34 | Monet | Why would he lie about his own master's death though? |
| 15:01.27 | Monet | All that accomplishes is that Palpatine is a lesser Sith than PLagueis. |
| 15:01.28 | Hachiman | Because then it would mean there is no one stronger than Palpatine for Anakin to feel he should follow |
| 15:03.24 | Hachiman | I am not so fond of the idea of Snoke being a character who existed outside of the galaxy; that makes the setting feel much smaller than it really is |
| 15:04.18 | Monet | They better not be implying he's a Vong |
| 15:04.45 | Monet | He's ugly enough, but then how oculd eh train Kylo to master the force? |
| 15:05.17 | Hachiman | Vong are Legend canon |
| 15:06.04 | Hachiman | I actually think I like Kylo Ren more than I do Rey; although Poe and Finn are still my favourites hur |
| 15:06.08 | Monet | Disney did say that they would use it to cherru-pick ideas from. |
| 15:06.41 | Monet | They already did that with Kylo Ren |
| 15:07.40 | Wormydroid | One thing I did wonder was why the New Republic was being complacent, they might have been preparing for a different threat |
| 15:08.36 | Hachiman | They probably did not know about the existence of Starkiller Base |
| 15:08.46 | Hachiman | So they did not treat the First Order as a major threat |
| 15:09.02 | Cyrannian | The only thing I didn't like about the movie was that it essentially returned the galaxy to the original trilogy status quo |
| 15:09.12 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 15:09.15 | Hachiman | That was dumb |
| 15:09.27 | Monet | Very dumb. |
| 15:09.41 | Hachiman | I honestly would have liked to have seen the Empire's remnants fight among one another like some sorta Post-Imperial civil war |
| 15:09.54 | Cyrannian | Unless the Republic wasn't actually destroyed completely, which would make sense since why would you have your entire fleet in the one system |
| 15:10.02 | Monet | Talk about using the new trilogy as a restart button. |
| 15:10.17 | Hachiman | Rather than having Empire 2: Dark Side Boogaloo vs. the Republic / Resistance once again |
| 15:11.16 | Cyrannian | I hope that the next movie quietly does away with the Resistance and makes Leia the leader of what's left of the Republic |
| 15:12.03 | Hachiman | I am not so against the idea of the Resistance and the Republic co-existing; the Republic is like a first nation state backing rebels in war-torn territory |
| 15:12.25 | Hachiman | I am just against the idea of how little progress was made for those outside of the First Order |
| 15:12.51 | Wormydroid | They either sound complacent, struggling, or preparing for some other threat, to me |
| 15:13.32 | Monet | The quality of the city that got blown up makes me think the Republic's almost as bad as before. |
| 15:13.55 | Cyrannian | I'm not fond of the repeat of plucky rebels against the evil regime theme |
| 15:14.02 | Monet | The First ORder, by the looks of it, hit a pretty wealthy part of the Republic. |
| 15:14.20 | Hachiman | I really hope that Episode VIII is not going to harken back to ESB as much as TFA did to ANH |
| 15:14.29 | Hachiman | I want it to sort of stand on its own |
| 15:14.55 | Wormydroid | I think it will |
| 15:15.01 | Cyrannian | I think the New Republic in the new canon was a better republic than the old, instead of settling on Coruscant, it hosted the senate on a rotating basis so that each member world has an equal say |
| 15:15.06 | Hachiman | I know that doing what they did with TFA was kind of to ease audiences in into believing this was another Star Wars film and the start of something new |
| 15:15.39 | Wormydroid | And I'd rather that Rey's storyline is something new, rather than a continuation of the Chosen One theme, because that story finished |
| 15:16.20 | Monet | I say the Republic might be almost as bad as the old because again, fore planets got blown up by a Death Star like weapon and where is the Republic navy? |
| 15:16.50 | Hachiman | Honestly, what I would like to happen is for Rey to find and get tutored by Mace Windu after he survived getting thrown out of that window by Palpatine |
| 15:16.55 | Monet | Where aer these fleets that admiral guy talked about? |
| 15:17.05 | Wormydroid | yeah |
| 15:17.08 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/1d/Destruction_of_the_Hosnian_system.png/revision/latest?cb=20160114003428 - You can see ships in this picture |
| 15:17.11 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of stor wors |
| 15:17.18 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain%3AMortalagueis have mine and waptor's new Mortie char |
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| 15:17.43 | Cyrannian | yus |
| 15:17.59 | Monet | Cyrannian: No guarentee those are warships. And there was no sign of Republic response |
| 15:18.10 | Hachiman | So Mortalagueis is Zillum's replacement |
| 15:18.23 | Hachiman | He has a fair bit of reputation to live up to hur |
| 15:18.46 | Cyrannian | It is stated in the film and the novel that the fleet was in the Hosnian system when it was destroyed |
| 15:18.48 | Monet | If Poe is part of Rogue Squadron then I might be okay. |
| 15:19.23 | Monet | ...as in al lthe Republic's fleet? |
| 15:19.37 | Cyrannian | http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-novelization/ - I certainly hope not |
| 15:19.42 | Cyrannian | But that's the implication |
| 15:20.14 | Monet | Better not be or else this new Republic is grossly incompetent |
| 15:21.13 | Cyrannian | It's probably more of a science fiction writers have no sense of scale trope, since other books show Republic military outposts all across the galaxy, so having the fleet in one system makes no sense |
| 15:21.20 | Monet | Either that or in sending Leia they left their military deprived of by far their best general. |
| 15:21.50 | Monet | The "Ord" planets were outposts yeah. |
| 15:22.18 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE - Kylo Ren undercover boss |
| 15:22.59 | Monet | Maybe there was a deleted scene of Leia being told by the Republic Senate of how its responding to Starkiller's damage |
| 15:24.20 | Cyrannian | Oh there is, one in which Leia sends the woman seen on the balcony during the Starkiller scene to talk to the Senate about sending military support |
| 15:24.41 | OluapPlayer | Mortalalala needs quotos |
| 15:25.28 | Hachiman | How do you even pronounce Mortalagueis' name hur |
| 15:26.07 | OluapPlayer | Like how it's written |
| 15:26.48 | OluapPlayer | He's not really a replacement to Zillum. He's not any higher ranking than the other admirals, while Zillum was the supreme boss leader of the Navy |
| 15:26.53 | Cyrannian | hur you were just talking about Plagueis, there's a clue |
| 15:27.10 | OluapPlayer | If any of them has a rank like that today, I imagine it's Carandial |
| 15:28.26 | Cyrannian | He'd be the most respected and his word would carry the most weight, yes |
| 15:40.36 | Cyrannian | brb going to play Skyrim for a while |
| 16:09.27 | Wormydroid | bald squirrel is cold squirrel http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34876813 |
| 16:30.26 | AdmiralPanda | the moment when you carry a game really bloody hard, and everyone else acts like they were doing the work |
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| 16:54.22 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 16:55.08 | AdmiralPanda | watching some Dragon's Dogma gameplay right now and holy crap the companions talk way too much |
| 16:55.50 | Xho | ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP |
| 16:57.20 | Monet | I remember in AJ's review he substituted the companions' talking with the sound of ckucking chickens. |
| 16:57.25 | Xho | So it looks like Celine Dion is cursed |
| 16:57.34 | Xho | Both her husband and brother have died of cancer |
| 16:58.30 | AdmiralPanda | 1/3 of people in the western world will have a close family member affected by cancer |
| 16:59.03 | Xho | But that's 2/3 |
| 16:59.05 | Xho | i call it curse u |
| 17:00.40 | AdmiralPanda | I'm currently on 4 |
| 17:01.45 | Xho | 4/3 dat just not rite |
| 17:02.19 | AdmiralPanda | slaps Xho |
| 17:02.30 | Xho | kek |
| 17:02.41 | AdmiralPanda | one in three people will have a close family member affected by cancer. I have more than four people in my close fucking family |
| 17:03.22 | Xho | Ah |
| 17:09.25 | Xho | Unfortunately I can't be sympathetic towards family illnesses since I have a vehement hatred for most of my family |
| 17:09.48 | Hachiman | I can since my sister suffers from a couple of life-threatening and / or crippling illnesses |
| 17:10.07 | Hachiman | Some strain of lupus and fibromyalgia in particular |
| 17:12.36 | Xho | My sister has psoriasis but it doesn't seem to affect her so much nowadays |
| 17:13.03 | Hachiman | My sister is pregnant again and we are all quite nervous about how it is going to go |
| 17:13.39 | Hachiman | What with the fact lupus effectively means that her immune system registers herself as a hostile foreign organism |
| 17:13.49 | Hachiman | Let alone an actual foreign organism |
| 17:14.01 | Xho | Hostile foreign organism |
| 17:14.09 | Xho | fucking totalitarian disease |
| 17:15.25 | Xho | Usually I'm glad that the rest of my family has drama, makes me feel better about my life |
| 17:15.44 | Xho | Relatively safe but man is it bleak |
| 17:16.03 | Hachiman | I'm usually not because my folks, particularly my stepdad, projects his drama onto me |
| 17:16.29 | Hachiman | He likes to invalidate me because of the fact he is ex-military and make me feel like shit |
| 17:17.05 | Xho | You should go Full Metal Jacket and blast his head off |
| 17:17.09 | Xho | Actually wait no don't do that |
| 17:17.31 | Xho | I don't want to be the next Charles Manson by influencing people to murder |
| 17:17.41 | Hachiman | hur |
| 17:17.51 | Hachiman | I would rather blast my own head off |
| 17:17.55 | Hachiman | It would be far more productive |
| 17:18.18 | Xho | You're gonna have a bad time |
| 17:19.31 | Xho | I don't really like talking about humans |
| 17:19.53 | Xho | I don't really like talking about myself either but still |
| 17:20.44 | Hachiman | I suppose that is fair enough |
| 17:20.58 | Xho | As a race we're so flawed that sociological OCD kicks and BOOM NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST PLS |
| 17:21.15 | Xho | ULYSSES AKBAR |
| 17:21.20 | The_Randomness | wut |
| 17:21.31 | Xho | It was a Fallout pun |
| 17:21.43 | The_Randomness | ur even weirder than I am |
| 17:22.03 | Xho | The fact that you only realised that now |
| 17:22.07 | Xho | ur terrible |
| 17:22.31 | Xho | One thing that I do like though? Animals |
| 17:23.10 | The_Randomness | I've known that you were weird for a while now, it's only recently that I have been able to adequately measure how weird I am and compare that to you. |
| 17:23.52 | Xho | The IRC is pretty much the one place in all of existence where my weirdness makes sense |
| 17:23.55 | Xho | Sort of |
| 17:24.45 | Xho | Either way I'm done talking because this is a fucking awkward conversation |
| 17:25.12 | Xho | ~seen Cyrannian |
| 17:25.13 | infobot | cyrannian <562d6746@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.103.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1h 44m 37s ago, saying: 'brb going to play Skyrim for a while'. |
| 17:25.22 | Xho | dammit waptor |
| 17:27.23 | Xho | Also I just exposed myself as an insensitive asshole again so I'm going to have to be quiet for a few hours |
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| 17:33.46 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 17:33.51 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
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| 17:39.03 | Charles_Murray_ | TekDroid Monet_2 Imperios The_Randomness Continue our Civ game? :D |
| 17:39.10 | Imperios | Definitely |
| 17:39.13 | Imperios | Can I join now? |
| 17:39.14 | The_Randomness | Once I'm out of this dungeon, sure |
| 17:39.18 | Charles_Murray_ | Do we have everyone here? |
| 17:39.32 | TekDroid | Charles_Murray: Busy for the next 4-5 hours |
| 17:39.40 | Monet_2 | Maybe a little later. Was playing civ earlier today |
| 17:40.14 | TekDroid | I'm out until later today unfortunately |
| 17:40.29 | AdmiralPanda | the question is, has Gandhi nuked everyone yet/ |
| 17:40.42 | Charles_Murray_ | We haven't had a Gandhi |
| 17:41.05 | TekDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.16 | Xho | Is Gandhi's nuke thing some sort of inadvertent game mechanic or is it just purely a meme |
| 17:41.22 | TekDroid | Actually none of our games have even reached Industrial IIRC |
| 17:41.42 | TekDroid | Xho: The Gandhi thing was a bug originially |
| 17:41.58 | TekDroid | Then they rolled with it |
| 17:42.28 | Imperios | Basically Gandhi's basic peacefulness level in Civ I was so low |
| 17:42.42 | TekDroid | Basically a bug so on a scale of 1-10 Gandhi's readiness to nuke you was like... 254 |
| 17:42.44 | Imperios | Actually wait |
| 17:42.56 | Imperios | Let me explain furhter |
| 17:43.13 | Imperios | Basically Gandhi's AI had a very low warmongering score, so it would be mostly peaceful |
| 17:43.29 | Imperios | However during the modern age, when nukes were developed |
| 17:43.40 | Imperios | It went even lower, to the point it became a -1 |
| 17:43.47 | Imperios | The game basically treated -1 as infinity |
| 17:43.51 | Monet_2 | BAck in Civ I Gandhi had an aggression level of 1. However the establishment of democracy would reduce the aggressiveness of the AI that adopted it |
| 17:43.52 | Xho | Oh god |
| 17:43.53 | Imperios | Do th e math |
| 17:44.00 | Xho | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/830/217/168.gif |
| 17:44.05 | AdmiralPanda | not infinity, 255 (256 minus 1) |
| 17:44.12 | TekDroid | Imperios: Not quite. It caused an overflow |
| 17:44.19 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 17:44.21 | AdmiralPanda | but that's still 255 on a scale of 1 to 10 |
| 17:44.22 | Imperios | PRetty much yeah |
| 17:44.27 | Xho | So basically a programming error |
| 17:44.32 | The_Randomness | Starting up my game now |
| 17:44.33 | Imperios | Yep |
| 17:44.42 | Xho | gg 255 |
| 17:44.43 | The_Randomness | oh woops |
| 17:44.45 | Monet_2 | These days the bug was so popular Gandhi is hardcoded to be hyper-aggressive. |
| 17:44.47 | The_Randomness | Not yet I take it |
| 17:45.07 | Monet_2 | In V Gandhi's aggression level is 12. On a 1-10 scale |
| 17:45.08 | The_Randomness | Since tek is busy and stuff |
| 17:45.11 | The_Randomness | Back to FFXIV |
| 17:45.41 | Imperios | I do not think I will be available after 4 hours |
| 17:45.48 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 17:46.39 | Xho | So basically Gandhi went full Ximicacan |
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| 17:48.55 | Monet_2 | Prettymuch |
| 17:49.10 | AdmiralPanda | of course the hilarious thing is India is such a terrible civ for war |
| 17:49.13 | Monet_2 | What's the Celts' bonus again? |
| 17:50.27 | Xho | I'd imagine India is either a cultural or science-orientated civ |
| 17:50.28 | Imperios | Faith from religion |
| 17:50.30 | AdmiralPanda | in 5? they get faith from having forest near cities |
| 17:50.31 | Imperios | Xho: Culture |
| 17:50.33 | Monet_2 | I'm currently in a game where Boudicca is currently building everything |
| 17:50.35 | Xho | whoo |
| 17:50.36 | Imperios | FGaith from forests |
| 17:50.52 | Imperios | They're basically one of the two civs that are guaranteed to get a religion first |
| 17:50.56 | Imperios | Them and Ethiopians |
| 17:51.03 | Tek0516 | Pretty much |
| 17:51.09 | AdmiralPanda | not really guaranteed, and you forgot Maya |
| 17:51.11 | Tek0516 | What's Ethiopia's? |
| 17:51.37 | AdmiralPanda | Ethiopia gets combat bonuses against civs with more cities, but their shrine gives 2 faith instead o 1 |
| 17:51.39 | AdmiralPanda | of* |
| 17:51.50 | Xho | I remember the game we were playing when I was Aztecs, I got religion like 10 turns in |
| 17:52.01 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: That's the Maya |
| 17:52.16 | Imperios | Ethiopians have normal shrines but their monument gives faith |
| 17:52.32 | Imperios | So basically they have faith nearly from the beginning |
| 17:52.41 | Tek0516 | ah |
| 17:52.54 | Imperios | Mayans are good at faith too but they would still need to do research to get their bonus |
| 17:53.07 | AdmiralPanda | the first research that everyone does though |
| 17:53.29 | AdmiralPanda | and usually monuments are mid-late classical buildings with the exception of if you're playing a really greedy ethiopia build |
| 17:53.52 | Imperios | Monuments are available from the start |
| 17:53.59 | Hachiman | "If I wanted humour, I would just stick a microphone up your mom's vagina since the last thing that came out of it was a joke." |
| 17:54.08 | AdmiralPanda | there's a difference between it being available and when you build it |
| 17:54.27 | Imperios | yeah but as Ethiopia you build it first to get faith |
| 17:54.31 | Imperios | ...Wait |
| 17:54.46 | Imperios | Am I the only person who builds monument first |
| 17:54.54 | AdmiralPanda | sure, technically you can just left click it at the start of the game, but if you do that then everyone else has either gone two scout shrine or one scout granary shrine |
| 17:55.23 | AdmiralPanda | so you lose a LOT of early game |
| 17:55.41 | Imperios | I should try that |
| 17:56.40 | Tek0516 | I always go monument first |
| 17:57.15 | Xho | How exactly does Civ V get all these languages sorted in their cutscenes |
| 17:57.15 | The_Randomness | I think I typically go something like scout -> granary or something like that |
| 17:57.17 | Imperios | Building a monument gives a lot of culture, which allows for very early social policies though |
| 17:57.23 | The_Randomness | I think I did something different this game though |
| 17:57.24 | Imperios | Xho: As in |
| 17:57.41 | The_Randomness | I think I got a monument earlier than I typically do |
| 17:57.46 | Xho | Phoenician |
| 17:57.58 | AdmiralPanda | it gives a lot of culture, but it also sets back your early gold and scouting/growth |
| 17:58.03 | Xho | And Ancient Egyptian |
| 17:58.35 | Imperios | It does not use Ancient Egyptian |
| 17:58.43 | Imperios | Ramesses speaks in the Egyptian dialect of Arabic |
| 17:58.49 | Xho | 0/10 AWFUL |
| 17:58.57 | Tek0516 | I generally rush it first so I can get the social policies and extra city tiles faster |
| 17:59.03 | Imperios | Xho: You mean |
| 17:59.05 | Imperios | 10/10 HALAL |
| 17:59.13 | Xho | 10/10 HARAM |
| 17:59.32 | AdmiralPanda | extra city tiles aren't that important if you don't have people to work them |
| 17:59.36 | Imperios | As for Phoenician I think it is very similar to hebrew |
| 17:59.40 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: True |
| 17:59.42 | Tek0516 | Mostly the policies |
| 17:59.53 | Xho | As a semitic language it would make sense |
| 18:00.07 | Tek0516 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.34 | Imperios | So basically the developers asked a scholar to write the script and simply handed it to some Jewish actress |
| 18:00.42 | Imperios | Who spoke it with her normal Hebrew pronounciation |
| 18:00.57 | The_Randomness | I always go for tradition |
| 18:01.10 | Xho | I do hope that Montezuma is speaking Nahuatl though |
| 18:01.26 | Xho | I guess so since ximicacan |
| 18:01.44 | AdmiralPanda | I suppose if you're going liberty an early monument is a thing |
| 18:01.55 | Hachiman | I would have thought Nahuatl was a dead language nobody knew |
| 18:02.11 | AdmiralPanda | though straight out the door monument is a little risky |
| 18:02.18 | Monet_2 | Or what he's speaking is a guess at how it sounds. |
| 18:02.38 | Xho | Nahuatl is still spoken |
| 18:03.03 | Xho | Says here around 1.5 million people still speak it |
| 18:04.36 | Xho | What about the Assyrians |
| 18:05.33 | AdmiralPanda | they die a lot |
| 18:05.58 | AdmiralPanda | they also take a tech known by a civilisation when they capture a city of that civilisation, but nobody lets them do that so yeah |
| 18:06.41 | Monet_2 | WOerd |
| 18:06.44 | Xho | Assyrians get rushed |
| 18:06.57 | Monet_2 | I was playing a game earlier and Assyrians were dominating England |
| 18:07.16 | AdmiralPanda | that would be AI and the AI is retarded |
| 18:07.24 | AdmiralPanda | because in no world does England lose to Assyria |
| 18:07.31 | Monet_2 | True... |
| 18:09.15 | Monet_2 | England looked to have the short end of the stick |
| 18:09.26 | Xho | Hm I wonder what language they use for the Assyrians and Babylonians |
| 18:09.38 | Xho | Nebuchadnezzar is raspier than a Ghoul |
| 18:09.40 | Monet_2 | By the time I had found England London had been occupied and their only other city was York. |
| 18:10.11 | Monet_2 | I think that raspiness might be a sign of his madness. |
| 18:11.17 | AdmiralPanda | England is without doubt one of hte best civs in the game |
| 18:11.39 | Monet_2 | Though York was surrounded by tundra. |
| 18:11.43 | Xho | I've heard things about England going full Britannia on those who don't accept their trade agreements |
| 18:12.39 | AdmiralPanda | England just goes full Britannia period |
| 18:13.17 | AdmiralPanda | they're also impossible to attack in hte medieval era |
| 18:13.26 | AdmiralPanda | even worse than the chinese |
| 18:14.25 | Monet_2 | "WOuld you be interested in a trade agreement with England? Oh. No? Then say hello to St. George for me!" |
| 18:17.00 | Xho | So the Mesopotamian kingdoms spoke Akkadian right through the 29th century - 8th century BC |
| 18:17.05 | Xho | Did not really know that |
| 18:18.11 | Xho | And then still used up until 100 AD |
| 18:18.26 | Xho | Man the Assyrians and Babylonians kept their culture strong |
| 18:18.30 | Xho | Until the Persians of course |
| 18:30.32 | AdmiralPanda | an airstrike just hit an IS cash vault, potentially destroying millions of dollars |
| 18:30.34 | AdmiralPanda | not bad |
| 18:33.01 | Xho | +1 faith to US |
| 18:33.03 | Xho | US right |
| 18:34.07 | AdmiralPanda | I believe so yeah |
| 18:43.53 | AdmiralPanda | and the co-founder of Cards Against Humanity sent the Oregon Militia 55 gallons of lube |
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| 19:02.57 | Imperios | Xho: About Akkadians |
| 19:03.18 | Imperios | The Mesopotamian civs in Civ V speak Aramaic |
| 19:03.22 | Imperios | Persians too |
| 19:03.33 | Imperios | And Aramaic is still spoken by Christian minorities in Syria and Iraq |
| 19:04.25 | Xho | Fair enough |
| 19:04.33 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Wait, about Assyrians dying a lot |
| 19:04.36 | Xho | Aramaic was spoken in Assyria and Babylon so |
| 19:04.37 | Imperios | did you mean Civ V or real life |
| 19:04.41 | AdmiralPanda | Civ 5 |
| 19:08.29 | Imperios | Ah |
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| 19:19.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 19:20.12 | Imperios | TekDroid: How about now? |
| 19:25.46 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda Monet_2: Would you say Persia is a good civ for diplomatic victory in Civ |
| 19:25.52 | Imperios | Or a good civ overall for that matter |
| 19:26.01 | AdmiralPanda | diplomatic it's meh |
| 19:26.17 | AdmiralPanda | Persia is better suited to cultural or military victory |
| 19:26.59 | AdmiralPanda | as far as good/bad, it's certainly a good one |
| 19:27.04 | Imperios | Right |
| 19:28.12 | Imperios | As far as I understand the easiest victory at Deity is diplomatic, so I'm trying to win through diplomacy |
| 19:28.36 | Imperios | What other diplo civs are there other than Greece, hmmm |
| 19:29.23 | AdmiralPanda | Venice |
| 19:29.31 | Imperios | Yeah them |
| 19:29.33 | Imperios | Carthage? |
| 19:29.39 | AdmiralPanda | Carthage is just bad |
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| 19:30.31 | AdmiralPanda | I don't really know which civs are best for SP beyond Venice being rather strong |
| 19:30.46 | The_Randomness | I haven't played enough civ to say much |
| 19:31.05 | The_Randomness | The ones I have the most experience with are Austria and Korea, more so the latter though |
| 19:31.31 | The_Randomness | Currently feeling out Korea though |
| 19:31.42 | Imperios | Korea is a top tier civ |
| 19:32.18 | The_Randomness | I was terrorizing our civ group as Austria |
| 19:32.20 | The_Randomness | lel |
| 19:32.33 | AdmiralPanda | that's because nobody has fun when there's an Austria, not even Austria |
| 19:32.50 | The_Randomness | Austria: not even once ? |
| 19:32.51 | Imperios | Austria and Korea are both very high-tier |
| 19:33.05 | The_Randomness | What's Korea's special thing again? |
| 19:33.09 | The_Randomness | Aside from hwach'a |
| 19:33.11 | Imperios | Science |
| 19:33.13 | Imperios | SCIENCE |
| 19:33.16 | The_Randomness | yeah I know that |
| 19:33.26 | The_Randomness | But what is it explicitly, too lazy to google it atm |
| 19:33.26 | Imperios | Whenever you build something science-related, you instantly recieve science |
| 19:33.30 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 19:33.41 | Imperios | So you get techs very quickly |
| 19:34.00 | Imperios | When you build a Great Library for example you recieve enough science for another free technology, so its effect is doubled |
| 19:35.20 | The_Randomness | So, GL rush is good if you're playing grorious Korea? |
| 19:37.13 | Imperios | Yep |
| 19:37.14 | Imperios | GL |
| 19:37.21 | Imperios | GL is GLorious |
| 19:37.54 | Imperios | Russia is good but Russia starts in shit territory |
| 19:38.10 | The_Randomness | Isn't Russia's thing production? |
| 19:38.22 | Monet_2 | Russia - We expand with potato farms! |
| 19:38.35 | The_Randomness | is gud potato |
| 19:48.18 | Imperios | Wrong country |
| 19:48.24 | Imperios | Belarus is a bit more west |
| 19:48.42 | Imperios | The_Randomness: Yes but it starts in tundra |
| 19:48.53 | The_Randomness | ouch |
| 19:49.06 | Monet_2 | Imperios: That was the joke I tried to convey. |
| 19:50.12 | Monet_2 | Russia is cold and harsh and the common Western joke is the people live off potatoes. Even though the southern regions have things like mangroves. |
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| 19:59.12 | Charles_Murray_ | test |
| 19:59.15 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/hUYU0Wp.jpg |
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| 20:16.31 | Imperios | Monet_2: I understand but Russians typically associated potatoes with Belarus |
| 20:16.52 | Imperios | *associate |
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| 20:21.18 | AdmiralPanda | I know hte conversation was quite a while ago, but on the subject of Korea: The most important part of their ability is that all specialists generate +2 science |
| 20:21.51 | AdmiralPanda | next to that, the science from building science buildings is hardly worth considering, to the point that many people forget it's even a thing |
| 20:29.50 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#The_Aval.C3.B4tur_Covenant shit goin down |
| 20:30.12 | DrodoAway | Saw |
| 20:30.16 | DrodoAway | Interesting |
| 20:30.24 | DrodoAway | Anyway, now I'm away-away |
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| 20:50.16 | AdmiralPanda | hi u |
| 20:50.55 | Monet | Hi |
| 20:52.27 | OluapPlayer | FUCK |
| 20:52.28 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 20:52.35 | AdmiralPanda | what happened? |
| 20:52.59 | OluapPlayer | Real life bullshittery basically made me waste an hour of my sunday |
| 20:53.46 | AdmiralPanda | ah |
| 20:54.14 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: The science boosts are fairly important early on |
| 20:54.47 | AdmiralPanda | except the boost is negligible compared to other civs' early game science bonuses :P |
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| 20:55.26 | Imperios | There are exactly two civs with big science bonuses other than Korea, that is Babylon and Maya |
| 20:56.00 | Imperios | Korea's bonus may not be as important but it also stays for longer |
| 20:56.24 | AdmiralPanda | Korea's bonus is that its specialists give +2 science :P |
| 20:56.43 | Imperios | That too |
| 20:57.41 | AdmiralPanda | that's the important part, the research boost from building science buildings isn't very significant by comparison |
| 20:58.08 | Imperios | Yeah yeah |
| 20:58.41 | Imperios | This bonus just happened to have once saved me during a particularily tough game, so it's the one I remember the most hur |
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| 21:15.20 | DrodoEmpire | They weren't? |
| 21:15.24 | DrodoEmpire | Shit, huh. |
| 21:15.28 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
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| 21:31.43 | Cyrannian | I didn't get a notification |
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| 21:38.50 | Xho | I imagine the only entities that will truthfully understand Kithworto's intentions are those on a similar wavelength to him |
| 21:40.05 | Monet | The problem isn't so much Kithworto's intentions as it is who he happens to be dealign with. |
| 21:40.37 | Monet | No one trusts Tyromarion as a universal protector outside of the Empire and it's protectorates. |
| 21:41.08 | Xho | Kithworto - and i fukn saved all of ur asses moar than once and u still dunt trust me |
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| 21:41.55 | OpelSpeedster | Monet: Though that's helped because Tyromairon acts in a very mysterious and shady way. Dressing in dark colours and speaking deeply doesn't make you look very favourable. |
| 21:42.13 | Xho | Kithworto - scuse me |
| 21:42.37 | Xho | I did think that Kithworto might be seen as a second Tyromairon from an extreme point of view |
| 21:42.57 | OpelSpeedster | Yeah, both are shady, though I don't know much about Kithworto. |
| 21:43.23 | Xho | Kithworto honestly has no intention of actively aiding anyone since the Kicath's political position puts them into a place of neutrality to everything |
| 21:43.54 | Xho | Kithworto is basically a professional Xhodocto puncher |
| 21:44.24 | Xho | His dealings in politics do go beyond basic ethics and morality |
| 21:47.24 | Xho | Though the hidden agenda between Tyromairon and Kithworto is that as long as they cooperate, neither of them will suffer for it |
| 21:48.04 | Monet | Everyone's more worried about Tyro's not-so-secret agenda. |
| 21:48.19 | Xho | True |
| 21:49.06 | Xho | The Kicath's neutrality affirm the fact that they won't support nor oppose the actions of the Empire, or anyone else for that matter unless it risks widespread catastrophe |
| 21:49.36 | Xho | The Kicath are basically Spore Switzerland |
| 21:50.22 | Monet | Switzerland tends ot avoid alliances or binding pacts that drag it into something though. |
| 21:50.46 | Xho | The Kicath won't particpate in war unless it's absolutely necessary |
| 21:51.53 | Xho | But yeah the Foreign Minister has his work cut out for him now |
| 21:52.19 | Xho | The Remnant didn't officially sanction an alliance |
| 21:52.32 | Monet | To put it lightly. |
| 21:53.55 | OpelSpeedster | How'd the Kicath respond if they felt like they were being pressured to pick a side in a conflict, however? |
| 21:54.45 | Xho | The Kicath would still withdraw from conflict, though in the case of their oldest allies they'd probably make an exception |
| 21:54.57 | Xho | And if the conflict was brought to Borealis |
| 21:57.06 | Cyrannian | They are in the same position as the DCP with regard to the Empire and the Republic. If war ever breaks out, they'd be neutral due to their strong ties to both. |
| 21:57.17 | Xho | Indeed |
| 21:57.41 | Xho | The Kicath's unique position is because of the only thing they really deem a threat to Gigaquadrantic safety, and that would be the Dominion |
| 21:58.20 | Xho | The Kicath's logic is that everyone has a different sense of order but everyone has the same sense of catastrophic annihilation |
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| 22:00.03 | Tek0516 | So is anyone still interested in playing Civ? |
| 22:00.32 | Xho | The Kicath have a rather malleable sense of order and they appreciate both the ideas of democracy and totalitarianism, since they have practiced both in the past but now lean towards democracy due to their highly multiracial population |
| 22:01.32 | Xho | Basically just remain friends with the Kicath and you know you'll have someone to back you up just in case demons start tearing up the place |
| 22:02.08 | Xho | And also because everyone treats the Kicath as dangerous anyway |
| 22:02.26 | Xho | Cooperative but you don't want to be in the same room as one just in case you inadvertently insult one |
| 22:03.01 | Xho | It could be part and parcel of their altered psychology due to essential heritage, they probably deem foreign policies as inferior in the face of a fireball the size of a galaxy |
| 22:03.47 | Xho | It's not something anyone's going to understand though |
| 22:04.22 | The_Randomness | Tek0516: I am |
| 22:04.43 | Tek0516 | Charles_Murray? Monet? |
| 22:04.55 | Xho | But the Kicath never turn on anyone unless they feel threatened, and it's in their interests to have everyone assured that the Kicath are there in a peaceful manner |
| 22:04.56 | Monet | Not tonight |
| 22:05.57 | Monet | Xho: Well again a lot of the worry is who the Kicath are dealing with. |
| 22:06.46 | Xho | Well the Kicath are aware of the rising tension though there's no military collaboration between them |
| 22:07.19 | Xho | Not against the Gigaquadrant anyway, the Kicath have no intention to wage war |
| 22:07.41 | Xho | Though they are fully prepared should anyone try to break the covenant between the Empire and Kicath |
| 22:07.51 | Xho | Though that would result in a really, really big war |
| 22:08.52 | Monet | That big war is what might eb intimidating people. |
| 22:09.34 | Xho | Which is why Kithworto is trying to assure everyone that no one should really be afraid, unless a civilisation actively tries to weaken them both |
| 22:09.42 | Xho | Then it will be Gigaquadrantic hellfire |
| 22:10.33 | Xho | Kithworto's amoral nature would indicate that he would use war as a method to maintain peace, as a Xi'Arazulha his methods are ultimately amoral |
| 22:10.41 | Xho | I just repeated myself but still |
| 22:10.51 | Monet | So...what's their ultimate stance on anyone trying to oppose the Empire? |
| 22:11.07 | Xho | In terms of personal attacks, they are ambivalent to it |
| 22:11.37 | Xho | Tyromairon knows that the Kicath will not support the Empire due to their part in the Accords |
| 22:12.29 | Xho | It's a mutual understanding between Tyromairon and Kithworto, as an Oikoumene and Xi'Arazulha respectively that cooperation between the Empire and Remnant is in their interests of safety from and for one another |
| 22:12.42 | Xho | Of course VERY few know of that |
| 22:12.56 | Xho | And which is why on a greater scale it looks shifty |
| 22:13.43 | Xho | But Kithworto's role as a Councillor of the PCA means that he also works towards further distancing Borealis from the Empire in the future |
| 22:14.22 | Xho | As for Mirus, Kicathian presence is probably a positive in terms of post-war stability once the tensions dim down |
| 22:14.35 | Xho | Same goes for Andromeda |
| 22:14.39 | Monet | I have to say that yeah that's probably it; very few are aware, or perhaps even interested, i nthem ore existential elements of the partnership. |
| 22:15.21 | Xho | But yeah it will not really affect the Gigaquadrant, though Tyro and Kithworto don't want to piss each other off for obvious reasons |
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| 22:15.53 | Xho | So both being extremely intelligent, working together is to them a good way of just keeping each other at an arm's reach |
| 22:16.14 | Xho | And of course the benefits of the Kicath expanding like a catholic rabbit |
| 22:17.41 | Monet | Yeah I think it's the language that Aeresius might have used, amde it sounds like a pact of cooperation for a safe and stable gigaquadrant. |
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| 22:18.32 | Monet | Which yeah, considering the Empire's reputation with everyone sounds very shady. |
| 22:24.08 | Cyrannian | Night folks, that's enough UDB'ing for one night |
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| 23:08.25 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 23:08.53 | Monet | hi |
| 23:09.00 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 23:14.21 | Xho | Imperios: Where does the Divinarium and the Remnant stand exactly |
| 23:14.57 | The_Randomness | I started a singleplayer Civ V game, and I have a ton of citrus for some reason |
| 23:17.17 | GamingPanda | SUN GOD |
| 23:17.22 | GamingPanda | SUUUN GOOODDDD |
| 23:17.52 | The_Randomness | Finding tons of ruins \o/ |
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| 23:22.06 | GamingPanda | make sure you sun god |
| 23:22.16 | The_Randomness | I shall |
| 23:23.00 | GamingPanda | good, because if you're surrounded by citrus then always sun god |
| 23:23.14 | The_Randomness | It's 2760 and I'm already bros with Sweden |
| 23:23.18 | The_Randomness | *2760 BC |
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| 23:25.25 | Tybusen | I should probably buy the BNW expansion already |
| 23:26.07 | ImpyDroid | You guys still planning to play? |
| 23:26.11 | ImpyDroid | Did you text me? |
| 23:26.15 | The_Randomness | nope |
| 23:26.26 | GamingPanda | currently watching league of legends NALCS while twenty thousand metric tons of uranium is being processed in Space Engineers |
| 23:26.49 | GamingPanda | and since my cryo chamber is mounted right next to the refinery bay I can hear all that processing |
| 23:27.16 | ImpyDroid | right |
| 23:38.32 | TekDroid | I haven't played SE in a while |
| 23:39.27 | TekDroid | Last time I played was my failed attempt at a space elevator |
| 23:39.50 | The_Randomness | GamingPanda: Sun god acquired |
| 23:44.20 | The_Randomness | For the last Time Sweden, I don't want to go to war with England |
| 23:45.03 | TekDroid | Civ? |
| 23:45.07 | The_Randomness | yes |
| 23:47.41 | TekDroid | ...I can't tell if Space engineers is being slow at loading or it's gone unresponsive. >.< |
| 23:49.06 | Comrade_Vinny | How 'bout both? |
| 23:51.17 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kicathian_Remnant Well this page is half decent now |
| 23:51.24 | Xho | Lotsa yellow faces however |
| 23:55.37 | ImpyDroid | The_Randomness: Did you start without me? |
| 23:55.46 | The_Randomness | No, this is singleplayer |
| 23:58.05 | ImpyDroid | right |
