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| 00:02.02 | Hachiman | Hi Panda |
| 00:02.14 | AdmiralPanda | hi u horny bastard |
| 00:03.41 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/ScnxOCI.gif |
| 00:04.22 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/a/0GRyG |
| 00:04.27 | AdmiralPanda | average day really |
| 00:05.39 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:05.49 | AdmiralPanda | hi u yankee bastard |
| 00:05.53 | AdmiralPanda | where does yankee even come from? |
| 00:07.19 | Wormy_away | Shrewd traders |
| 00:07.47 | Wormy_away | I know this from Star Trek, when Data compared them to Ferengi. |
| 00:08.03 | Wormy_away | Actually, it was the other way atound. |
| 00:08.08 | AdmiralPanda | I'm guessing by that you mean people said they were trading with yankees to avoid telling the british they were trading with Americans? |
| 00:09.28 | Wormy_away | Well, they were in the 19th century, but they were often drug smugglers, so pretty avoidant of authorities I imagine. |
| 00:10.02 | AdmiralPanda | just looked it up, and Yankee was first used to describe soldiers from New England back in 1758 (first publicised use of the word) |
| 00:10.38 | Monet | It was closely tied to New Englanders for a long time |
| 00:11.48 | AdmiralPanda | as for the origin of the word, the most likely sources point to the Dutch Americans, with the New Englanders taking over the name at some point (probably because the Dutch disliked being called Yankee but the New Englanders didn't mind) |
| 00:14.46 | Monet | It does have a Dutch feel to it. |
| 00:15.09 | Monet | Probably the Y. |
| 00:16.25 | Monet | "In Cockney rhyming slang a Yank is a Septic or Seppo" ouch |
| 00:16.57 | AdmiralPanda | the English colonists often called the Dutch "John Cheese" due to the latter's tradition of dairy cultivation, which in dutch would be pronounced "Yan Kees" |
| 00:17.18 | Monet | Cockneys have this knack for being rude, insulting and potentially insightful all at once. |
| 00:17.34 | AdmiralPanda | (it's worth bearing out that in modern dutch it would be Kaas but in some dialects at the time it would be Kees) |
| 00:20.37 | Monet | Etymology is an interesting subject |
| 00:20.58 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:21.22 | AdmiralPanda | http://cheezburger.com/8600778496 |
| 00:23.12 | Hachiman | NO |
| 00:23.19 | AdmiralPanda | hehehehe |
| 00:23.21 | Monet | I myself am slightly curious where "limey" originated. |
| 00:23.46 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: That one I know, british sailors were issued limes alongside their rations to keep off scurvy |
| 00:24.48 | Monet | There's something slightly intriguing with the British and food. |
| 00:24.57 | AdmiralPanda | it's all bad |
| 00:25.07 | AdmiralPanda | sorry, patriotism subroutines engaged for a moment |
| 00:25.21 | Monet | Like...we had a lot of potatoes. So this idea came about to slice them into sticks and fry them. |
| 00:26.16 | Monet | And thus the chip was born: from someone experimenting with preparing roast potatoes. |
| 00:26.44 | Monet | Its not all bad: What about the Full ENglish breakfast. |
| 00:27.07 | AdmiralPanda | even though they were invented in france, belgium or spain depending on who you ask :P |
| 00:27.19 | Monet | Bacon, eggs, chips, sausages and a tomato. |
| 00:27.21 | Hachiman | I thought that was fries, not chips |
| 00:28.26 | Monet | That's actually odd: The traditional English breakfast has so much fat to it yet we only became a nation with an obesity problem decades after the invention of McDOnalds. |
| 00:28.42 | Wormy_away | Yeah I thought that Fries originate from Belgium, and chips are derived from Jewish people living in Britain |
| 00:28.52 | Wormy_away | *were derived |
| 00:29.01 | AdmiralPanda | probably because you had less sedentary lives back then |
| 00:29.03 | Hachiman | Chips and fries are different things after all hur |
| 00:29.24 | Wormy_away | indeed, taste different, smell different, different ratio of potato to fat |
| 00:29.28 | Monet | My only explaination is that England is so cold. So the hearty Full English was designed to keep energised. |
| 00:29.40 | AdmiralPanda | that or you were just hungry |
| 00:29.45 | Hachiman | ^ |
| 00:29.48 | Hachiman | I was going to say |
| 00:29.53 | Hachiman | British people love eating hur |
| 00:30.24 | AdmiralPanda | I'm still amazed that sumos have diets comparable to elite athletes everywhere else (which they are, to be fair), it's the sheer quantity of what they eat that makes them so fat |
| 00:30.55 | Monet | I think British food is less greens-friendly than on the continent. |
| 00:30.56 | Hachiman | It is actually very easy to lose the fat that sumos have |
| 00:31.03 | Hachiman | From what I hear anyway |
| 00:31.12 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: I know, they shrink back down in a couple of weeks once the season ends |
| 00:31.29 | Monet | Like I said it's cold. A hearty full engish will keep your body fuelled for a whole day. |
| 00:31.48 | Wormy_away | I've had a lot of food from around the world but pie, chips and peas, or toad in the hole are high up in my favourites |
| 00:32.00 | Hachiman | Toad in the hole is <3 |
| 00:32.15 | Monet | ^ that's what I mean: SO much batter and frying in English cuisine |
| 00:32.21 | The_Randomness | As an Ameripleb I have no idea what that is |
| 00:32.38 | AdmiralPanda | Random: it's a piece of bread with the middle cut out and an egg fried in the middle |
| 00:32.51 | Wormy_away | Monet: I like a good ploughman's lunch |
| 00:33.05 | Wormy_away | Now that was made to energise |
| 00:33.13 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Toad_in_the_hole.jpg this is toad in the hole. |
| 00:33.30 | Monet | This is what I mean by so much batter. |
| 00:33.43 | Hachiman | Yeah sausage, not egg |
| 00:33.44 | Wormy_away | Toad in the hole, Yorkshire pudding (batter), with sausages, mash potato, gravy and maybe veg |
| 00:34.15 | AdmiralPanda | in that case I can't remember what the one with the egg is |
| 00:34.31 | Wormy_away | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Veggies_Sausages_and_Mash,_with_Yorkshire_Pudding,_peas_and_veggie_gravy.jpg |
| 00:34.42 | Monet | Some English person, a long line time ago, decided to make a pie by cooking the sausages in pie mix and not making a lid for the pie. |
| 00:34.45 | AdmiralPanda | not like I'd know anyway because mostly when eggs are involved over here they're either boiled or scrambled |
| 00:35.06 | Hachiman | Much like my women |
| 00:35.08 | Hachiman | Wait |
| 00:35.16 | Monet | SO when you eat toad i nthe hole you're basically eating pie mix and suasage. |
| 00:35.37 | AdmiralPanda | you know, I used to think you brits were crazy |
| 00:35.39 | AdmiralPanda | now I KNOW |
| 00:36.15 | Monet | I still think Black Pudding is one of our oddest dishes |
| 00:36.35 | Hachiman | Black pudding is lush |
| 00:36.44 | Hachiman | Nothing beats a bit of solid blood |
| 00:36.50 | AdmiralPanda | black pudding is pretty sensible tbh |
| 00:37.10 | AdmiralPanda | now Mediterranean blood soup, that's delicious |
| 00:37.18 | Monet | For me it competes with Christmas Pudding in its peculiarity. |
| 00:37.18 | Hachiman | Ooh that does sound nice |
| 00:37.43 | Wormy_away | There is a famous dish of stuffed birds |
| 00:37.46 | AdmiralPanda | it's the same basic principle as black pudding and haggis really |
| 00:37.55 | Hachiman | Never tried haggis |
| 00:37.59 | Hachiman | I hear it's horrible |
| 00:38.03 | Wormy_away | Like, a duck stuffed in a chicken, etc. |
| 00:38.12 | Wormy_away | I've had vege haggis |
| 00:38.16 | Monet | Where we make your average pud, mix in some brandy and then *set it on fire* |
| 00:38.29 | Wormy_away | Hachi: My grandmother likes cooking and eating tripe, it absolutely reeks |
| 00:38.39 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: A turducken? |
| 00:38.48 | Wormy_away | That's the thing, yes |
| 00:38.54 | Hachiman | Haggis does not *look* bad to me despite how absurd it appears |
| 00:39.04 | Hachiman | I just worry that if I ever try it, I will not appreciate the taste |
| 00:39.09 | Hachiman | I am not a big lamb eater anyway |
| 00:39.18 | AdmiralPanda | basically the greeks on campaign would take the carcass of a sheep that's had the officer's cuts removed, then they chop up the carcass (bones, brain and the innards that won't kill you) and boil it in the sheep's blood alongside whatever veggies they find on the trail |
| 00:39.21 | Wormy_away | "In his 1807 Almanach des Gourmands, gastronomist Grimod de La Reynière presents his rôti sans pareil ("roast without equal")âa bustard stuffed with a turkey, a goose, a pheasant, a chicken, a duck, a guinea fowl, a teal, a woodcock, a partridge, a plover, a lapwing, a quail, a thrush, a lark, an ortolan bunting and a garden warbler" |
| 00:40.02 | AdmiralPanda | and haggis basically tastes like lamb tbh |
| 00:40.09 | Hachiman | The idea of eating blood and innards does not sound all that peculiar to me |
| 00:40.17 | Hachiman | Eat the innards of your enemies to become stronger and all that |
| 00:40.24 | Wormy_away | Those last few birds you won't find on a recepe book these days. |
| 00:40.25 | Monet | Spotted Dick sounds wierder than it actually is. |
| 00:40.41 | AdmiralPanda | oh oh all this talk of blood reminds me of a Transylvanian recipe that basically amounts to blood jelly |
| 00:40.51 | Hachiman | I saw that in Blade II |
| 00:40.54 | Hachiman | It does look nice |
| 00:41.20 | AdmiralPanda | I had it once because one of my former friends was a bit of a culinary weirdo |
| 00:41.43 | Hachiman | I wish I could learn to cook with blood hur |
| 00:42.08 | AdmiralPanda | u emo git |
| 00:42.15 | Hachiman | Blood tastes nice |
| 00:42.15 | Monet | Spotted Dick, as wierd as it sounds, is basically a fruitcake. |
| 00:42.45 | Wormy_away | This is nicer than it sounds, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_and_squeak |
| 00:42.46 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: It only sounds weird to us, dick used to be a slang term for a working dog |
| 00:43.07 | Hachiman | Spotted Dick sounds weird to me because it has the word "dick" in it |
| 00:43.11 | AdmiralPanda | so the pudding is basically called spotted dog |
| 00:43.53 | The_Randomness | Of course it sounds weird for you, Hachi :P |
| 00:43.59 | Wormy_away | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauliflower_cheese |
| 00:44.21 | Monet | I like cauliflower but I hate cauliflower cheese. |
| 00:44.45 | Wormy_away | This is one I've not heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devilled_kidneys |
| 00:45.14 | Wormy_away | hah hah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food) |
| 00:45.51 | AdmiralPanda | beats Wormy_away over the head with a faggot |
| 00:46.06 | Wormy_away | Oh that's so offal |
| 00:46.12 | AdmiralPanda | and now I'm picturing one man bludgeoning another man with a third man carrying a bag of sticks |
| 00:46.37 | Monet | http://www.donaldrussell.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pigs-in-blankets_11_4.jpg here's another meaty English dish. |
| 00:46.39 | The_Randomness | groans at the sudden surge of fowl puns |
| 00:47.03 | Monet | Pigs in Blankets: Sausages wrapped in bacon. |
| 00:47.47 | AdmiralPanda | Random, trying to bring birds into a pun battle that didn't involve birds just makes you sound like a tit |
| 00:48.35 | AdmiralPanda | http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51942000/jpg/_51942231_04_blue_tit.jpg just because that one was a little obscure |
| 00:49.00 | Monet | And looking around...for some reason Britain appears to be the only country where "pigs in blankets" has the sausages wrapped in bacon. Everyone else uses pastry dough. |
| 00:49.31 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Not very obscure in the UK |
| 00:49.41 | AdmiralPanda | we use batter and sell them at carnivals |
| 00:50.31 | Monet | Yeah it's wierd: The British version is more like "pig wrapped in the treated skin of another pig" |
| 00:50.45 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: Well played |
| 00:50.51 | Hachiman | And they say the Native Americans were savage |
| 00:51.12 | Monet | Oh the Native Americans were hardly savage. |
| 00:51.13 | Hachiman | The real question is; would anyone here actually eat human meat if given the opportunity without repercussions |
| 00:51.46 | Wormy_away | Didn't the practise of scalping come from British settlers? |
| 00:51.57 | AdmiralPanda | to be perfectly honest, I'd try it only to be able to say I had |
| 00:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Ehh |
| 00:52.11 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Bacon_wrapped_almond-stuffed_dates.jpg have some more British unhealthiness - Prunes wrappedi n bacon! |
| 00:52.24 | DrodoEmpire | No they had some pretty messed up practices, but they weren't any worse than other groups on other areas of the world |
| 00:52.47 | Hachiman | Aztecs count as Native Americans technically hur |
| 00:52.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:52.59 | AdmiralPanda | not even technically, just native south americans |
| 00:53.06 | DrodoEmpire | Everyone from the Mi'knaq to the Incans are native american |
| 00:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | *Mi'kmaq |
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| 00:53.25 | AdmiralPanda | and the Aztecs had the best prize for winning the national sportsball tournament ever |
| 00:53.30 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 00:53.32 | AdmiralPanda | you got to become part of the sun! |
| 00:53.38 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/2fOplIY |
| 00:53.44 | AdmiralPanda | by having your heart torn out and burned, but that's beside the point |
| 00:53.49 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Christmas_lunch_in_the_United_Kingdom.jpg this might be why Englsih food is considered 'bad' |
| 00:54.00 | Wormy_away | Time to ruin the day for some Muties |
| 00:54.03 | Wormy_away | bbl |
| 00:54.09 | AdmiralPanda | going to Boston? |
| 00:54.40 | Monet | "sometimes we just don't bother and make assortments and call it a traditional dish. |
| 00:54.56 | AdmiralPanda | oh god I just realised, it's happened again- Fallout has superceded Wh40k to hte point that when people say mutant I think super mutants not chaos ones |
| 00:54.59 | Wormy_away | to the Capital Wasteland |
| 00:55.25 | Wormy_away | So you thought right |
| 00:55.32 | Hachiman | I wonder what Detroit is like in Fallout |
| 00:55.33 | AdmiralPanda | need to get my skitarii army finished so I can spread blessed ruin to the enemies of the Omnissiah |
| 00:55.40 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: probably better |
| 00:55.47 | Hachiman | olol |
| 00:56.16 | Monet | Pittsburg is shit. |
| 00:56.30 | AdmiralPanda | I still love that old quote about Robocop: "That one movie where they shoot a film in Detroit and pretend it's future Detroit" |
| 00:56.41 | AdmiralPanda | also I need to run off, be back later |
| 00:56.51 | Monet | Okay yes, I believe the Britih tradition of 'meat and two veg' is why English food is cosnidered 'terrible' |
| 00:57.54 | Monet | Since we consider it traditional but all it is, is a piece of meat - steak, pork chops or maybe chicken - with a couple of vegetables and maybe a few roast potatoes. |
| 00:58.23 | DrodoEmpire | Meh I enjoy that sort of thing |
| 00:58.46 | Monet | Its quick and easy. |
| 00:59.23 | Monet | My third alternative as to why British food is terrible is how much we seem to experiment wih meat, potatoes and dough. |
| 01:00.17 | Monet | Like, the number of dishes that will have a significant amount of non-potato vegetables, aside form maybe mushrooms, is somewhat low. |
| 01:02.00 | DrodoEmpire | "filthy rosbif not using ze waine and ze uddur vegitibuls with zere filthy paisont fud 3:<" |
| 01:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.22 | Charles_Murray | Wtf. |
| 01:02.30 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 01:02.45 | Monet | Actually that's the other thing about British food. |
| 01:03.20 | Monet | If alcohol is involved it'll be one of three kinds: Sherry, brandy or whisky. |
| 01:03.24 | Charles_Murray | I don't have an accent in either French or English. xD I can pass as both and nobody is the wiser. |
| 01:03.31 | DrodoEmpire | I know I know |
| 01:03.46 | DrodoEmpire | Its just easy to poke fun |
| 01:03.47 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 01:03.57 | Charles_Murray | Unfortunately. |
| 01:06.27 | Monet | For some reason brandy can be quite nice in a caserole. |
| 01:07.03 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I get the impression that English cuisine is definitely heartier or heavier |
| 01:07.41 | Monet | That's what I've come t owork out |
| 01:07.49 | DrodoEmpire | Well, I *know*, because I have like the whitest family on the face of the earth <.< |
| 01:08.24 | Monet | I said earlier British cuisine appears to contain a lot of meat (eitherp ork or steak), potatoes or pudding batter. |
| 01:08.31 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:08.35 | DrodoEmpire | All pretty heavy stuff |
| 01:10.10 | Monet | Neadly demosntrated with the Full Englsih Breakfast of sausages, chips, fried eggs, mushrooms, roasted tomato, bacon and hash brown all in one meal. |
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| 01:10.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah exactly |
| 01:11.34 | Monet | Actually as far as meals go that's a lot. |
| 01:11.50 | Monet | Of anything |
| 01:12.08 | Monet | Oh yeah I forgot the baked beans! |
| 01:12.14 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah! |
| 01:12.53 | Monet | https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8505/8427179454_f8c3b207be_b.jpg the quintessential Englsih breakfast. |
| 01:13.48 | Monet | Fried egg, beans, fried potato mash, two forms of pig meat and a fried tomato. |
| 01:15.04 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 01:15.11 | Monet | Also fried onions. |
| 01:15.11 | Monet | mushrooms* |
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| 01:50.59 | AdmiralPanda | and I'm back |
| 01:55.44 | Hachiman | Welcome back |
| 02:33.10 | Wormy_away | Bye |
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| 10:16.36 | drom | So I've been thinking on the concept of an inferior SJW empire, whom take huge offense from "overdoing" things they cannot. |
| 10:17.06 | drom | It would create an analogy of tumblrites |
| 10:20.13 | Liquid_Ink | I'll have to create an empire that believes that it is its nature to dominate and that any attempt to end their oppressive rule is somehow discriminatory against them. |
| 10:20.24 | Liquid_Ink | It would create an analogy of anti-feminists. |
| 10:20.52 | drom | Teheheh |
| 10:25.30 | drom | Liquid_Ink OfficerJackal_ Tek0516: http://imgur.com/gallery/JTxYdsC |
| 10:26.42 | Liquid_Ink | :3 |
| 10:27.24 | drom | Liquid_Ink Tek0516 OfficerJackal_: I like this one too http://imgur.com/gallery/WlIBlls |
| 10:33.28 | drom | Liquid_Ink Tek0516: Bloopers of the old triology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82I_yeF7b6g |
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| 11:08.50 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 11:28.58 | Technobliterator | dumbo |
| 11:29.07 | OluapPlayer | losa |
| 11:29.52 | Technobliterator | I am in the process of trying to get Quiet back |
| 11:30.06 | OluapPlayer | Still? |
| 11:30.24 | Technobliterator | I got bored of playing the mission over and over so I went to do some side ops instead |
| 11:30.30 | Technobliterator | now I'm back at it |
| 11:30.40 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 11:31.14 | Technobliterator | I have no idea if I've beaten it 7 times yet |
| 11:33.10 | Technobliterator | ugh |
| 11:33.14 | Technobliterator | web pages not loading for me at all |
| 11:37.51 | drom | Considering getting a MM (D&D 5e) or a Bestiary (Pathfinder) for the lulz. But which should I priority first if I don't consider getting them all at once? |
| 11:38.25 | drom | I'm aware of that Pathfinder's equivalent of MMs are 5 seperate books and is available online. But I like books, so yeah. |
| 12:00.29 | Technobliterator | oh my god |
| 12:00.35 | Technobliterator | I have played this mission what must be 10 times now |
| 12:00.37 | Technobliterator | and still nothing |
| 12:01.44 | OluapPlayer | You should've kept track |
| 12:02.09 | OluapPlayer | >The player needs to beat "Mission 11: Cloaked in Silence" seven times to unlock a special version of the mission called "[Reunion]: Cloaked in Silence." |
| 12:02.17 | OluapPlayer | Make sure the latter is not unlocked already |
| 12:03.18 | Technobliterator | Nope, it never changed to [REUNION]. I didn't keep track, but it's currently sitting on 210 GMP for completion, meaning I've definitely done it over 7 times. |
| 12:03.22 | Technobliterator | This game must be bugged |
| 12:03.39 | OluapPlayer | Your game is fully updated, right? |
| 12:04.19 | Technobliterator | It is, it's on 1.07 |
| 12:04.37 | OluapPlayer | Huh |
| 12:04.50 | OluapPlayer | In that case i don't know. It really must be bugged |
| 12:05.25 | drom | blah, I'm getting the 5e MM |
| 12:05.54 | OluapPlayer | By the way, we gotta get back to that Loron plot |
| 12:08.58 | Technobliterator | oh yeah |
| 12:29.41 | drom | I do really wonder how many people have attempted integrating LotR to their own DnD games |
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| 13:11.29 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:13.14 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 13:15.42 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
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| 13:44.18 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 13:45.17 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 13:49.08 | AdmiralPanda | hiyah |
| 13:49.10 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/S7B6DWw.jpg |
| 13:52.32 | Wormy_ | cute |
| 13:53.31 | Wormy_ | I love how this was called Thor's hammer http://phys.org/news/2016-01-thor-materials-million-atmospheres.html |
| 14:01.58 | drom | It bothers me that people think "jumping off a volcano" means "jumping >into< a volcano" |
| 14:08.08 | drom | OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/2ihhHEs.jpg |
| 14:16.12 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/01/04/484d85ae2052b68b.jpg |
| 14:16.57 | Imperios | And then an army of Pyros wearing mexican hats defeats them |
| 14:17.20 | OluapPlayer | MAKE 2FORT GREAT AGAIN |
| 14:18.00 | drom | Yes, we should bar out the Australians |
| 14:19.09 | drom | Imperios: Or an army of demomen wearing turbans with cabers. |
| 14:21.10 | AdmiralPanda | drom: excuse me? |
| 14:23.19 | drom | AdmiralPanda: The sniper in TF2 is Australian, truly the pillage of 2Fort, and I'm referencing to this: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/3/3c/Desert_Marauder.png/250px-Desert_Marauder.png?t=20120210221351 |
| 14:24.33 | drom | For the demoman, see https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ullapool_Caber/ |
| 14:43.35 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/n7OEzc5.jpg |
| 15:03.46 | drom | Imperios OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/5fsfODE.jpg |
| 15:08.07 | Wormy_away | Well, hm. http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/01/04/someone-big-problem-star-wars/ |
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| 15:30.12 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 15:37.42 | Wormy_away | I'm definately getting this http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/05/bb-8-gesture-control-force-awakens-ces |
| 15:37.53 | Wormy_away | Already have the droid |
| 15:38.57 | Wormy_away | ... if it fits my wrist |
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| 15:52.43 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 16:42.49 | Hachiman | Bloody rain |
| 16:42.49 | Wormy_away | Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm61JqXKBYc |
| 16:43.36 | Wormy_away | Sargon exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wrzLtMrcqo |
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| 17:08.50 | Hachiman | Hi Oluap |
| 17:11.25 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: If you are looking for a good film to watch regarding symbolism and philosophy, I would suggest The Holy Mountain by Alejandro Jodorowsky |
| 17:12.29 | Wormy_away | Thank you, I do like such films, like those by Darren Aronofsky. |
| 17:13.39 | OluapPlayer | I'm mad at videogames |
| 17:13.43 | OluapPlayer | I need something to cheer me up |
| 17:13.43 | Wormy_away | Looking it up, I've seen El Topo by the same director. |
| 17:14.28 | Hachiman | The Holy Mountain tackles topics about religion, the inherent flaws of humanity such as greed and violence, enlightenment and consequence |
| 17:15.17 | Wormy_away | Here's a sacene from Pi, which is heavily symbolic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmWhwyA0NU |
| 17:15.18 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: http://www.catsmob.com/post/2015/09/5470/cm_20150923_5470_009.gif |
| 17:16.05 | Wormy_away | It deals with both logic and numerology, Wall Street agents and religious nutters, with a socially avoident man who stumbled into a number they both want |
| 17:18.43 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: wut |
| 17:19.56 | Hachiman | Stuff like the Fibonacci Sequence creeps me the fuck out |
| 17:20.25 | Hachiman | I learned about it and the Golden Ratio during one of my art courses that I was assigned to |
| 17:21.04 | Hachiman | It makes me question whether math is a human invention or if it is something that is universal |
| 17:25.03 | Wormy_away | Well, it was rediscovered over and over. |
| 17:26.33 | Hachiman | I should probably watch Pi at some point even if I am bad at maths myself |
| 17:26.34 | Wormy_away | I think the solution to invented vs. discovered argument, is that we create mathematical theories, but discover their limits. |
| 17:27.09 | Wormy_away | Here's another scene with spirals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3FvtMSUeLk |
| 17:28.28 | Wormy_away | It's not too heavy on maths, nicely interspersed with philosophy and even a little mysticism |
| 17:29.04 | Ghelae | Mathematics is essentially the application of logical rules of inference to particular axioms. Obviously the axioms that describe how things work in our universe are things to be discovered. And clearly the universe then obeys the resulting mathematical principles regardless of whether or not we've discovered them, so it's hard to argue that rules of inference were also human inventions. |
| 17:29.42 | Ghelae | But anything that you might normally think of as being a piece of mathematics is either some human tool or some human description, derived from certain axioms and certain logic. |
| 17:30.28 | Ghelae | It's not as though the plane of complex numbers is a physical plane of existence, for example. |
| 17:31.11 | Ghelae | Oh, and it's certainly possible to make up axioms that don't describe anything in our reality, too. |
| 17:31.16 | Wormy_away | You say axioms, but it has been argued that the action of proof theory is much like science, so it must involve both conjectural and critical knowledge, just not with the same physical investigation as does physical science |
| 17:31.25 | Hachiman | You lost me at "axioms" hur |
| 17:32.05 | Ghelae | An axiom is just a starting point: something you suppose to be true. And then you use logic to deduce the consequences of them. |
| 17:32.53 | Ghelae | Wormy_away: That's why mathematics is classed as a formal science. And the investigation you use, rather than empirical investigation, is the application of logical rules. |
| 17:34.13 | Wormy_away | And those consequences, are like autonomous abstract truths. And that's what I mean by "discover their limits", so it can't be that mathematics is purely fictional. |
| 17:35.14 | Ghelae | Indeed. But the limits ultimately come from those rules of inference, not from some platonic mathematical objects. I doubt we really disagree there, but I'm just expressing it for clarity. |
| 17:36.41 | Wormy_away | I do largely agree, I'm doubtful of a mathematical plane that sits beyond physical investigation... Although remember those rules of inferences are computations, carried out by physical objects, i.e. the brain |
| 17:38.09 | Wormy_away | This is a good argument that the universe isn't reducible to pure mathematical structure, that our knowledge of mathematics is derivative from what is physically possible. |
| 17:39.21 | Wormy_away | *Although we must remember those rules of inferences |
| 17:39.43 | Hachiman | Oh God now I have unleashed yet another mathematical headache hur |
| 17:39.52 | Wormy_away | This is philosophy lol |
| 17:40.23 | Wormy_away | It's very fascinating question though, one that has been debated for centuries by mathematicians and physcists alike. |
| 17:42.15 | Wormy_away | Ghelae: What did change my mind from thinking mathematics was purely invented however, was that if I had to accept that, then I'd have to the say the same about physical truth. And then why not aesthetic and moral truth? |
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| 17:44.51 | Ghelae | I can see one possible source of confusion: One could say that mathematics is a language and that language is invented. But the real point is that the objects referred to by that language, like physical phenomena as you mention, were not invented. |
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| 17:45.28 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:45.30 | Hachiman | Hi spoo |
| 17:45.58 | Wormy_away | Indeed |
| 17:46.14 | Xho | NNNNNNNUH |
| 17:46.46 | Wormy_away | I think I was more concerned with how mathematical reality could interact with physical reality at all, if they sit in different metaphysical planes |
| 17:46.56 | Hachiman | I have a feeling either Wormy or Ghelae are gonna end up becoming reclusive or insane or both |
| 17:47.02 | Ghelae | So I still stand by my previous assessment: the axioms and logical rules that describe our reality is universal, and so must be discovered. Others can be invented. And all of the other mathematics is built up out of those building blocks. |
| 17:47.06 | OluapPlayer | dum xho |
| 17:47.09 | OluapPlayer | y u inactive |
| 17:47.09 | Ghelae | are universal* |
| 17:47.17 | Xho | Had a long-ass day yesterday |
| 17:47.20 | Xho | Didn't feel like existing |
| 17:47.30 | Wormy_away | Ghelae: I agree actually |
| 17:47.31 | OluapPlayer | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/01/04/484d85ae2052b68b.jpg |
| 17:47.35 | Ghelae | Hachiman: You imply that we already aren't. |
| 17:47.37 | Xho | 6:25 am - 5:00pm I was out of the house |
| 17:47.39 | Xho | twas not happy |
| 17:48.12 | Xho | OluapPlayer: listen buddy im an engineer i solve racial problems |
| 17:49.07 | Wormy_away | If we argue mathematics becomes classed as a formal science, as discussed, it is therefore fallible like science and those other domains, so it feels like there are objective criteria for all of them. The only differences, as you say, is A) how we investigate them, and B) reach, as some reach beyond what is known to exist in the physical world |
| 17:49.57 | Wormy_away | Though we can only investigate them through such a tiny window of what we can physically process and describe |
| 17:51.27 | Wormy_away | Hachi: I'm already pretty crazy |
| 17:52.46 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "I've considered the idea of the Sea Witch sacrificing herself to permanently destroy Vargash. It no longer fits the current canon, plus I don't quite feel like destroying either of them anymore. " Caligaduro - SCORE...ZERO FOR THE VOID |
| 17:52.58 | OluapPlayer | Welcome to a year ago |
| 17:53.23 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: I just noticed, the spiral staircase https://youtu.be/T3FvtMSUeLk?t=1m21s |
| 17:53.39 | Xho | dats a stairwell not a spiral u |
| 17:54.05 | Hachiman | Pi is full of spirals |
| 17:54.40 | Xho | S-pi-rals |
| 17:54.48 | Wormy_away | Huh |
| 17:55.31 | Wormy_away | Hachi: Max does acrtually descend into madness and starts seeing synchronicities everywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C1cpG6TLc |
| 17:55.35 | Ghelae | Wormy_away: The fallibility behind science is due to the limitations of empirical methods, right? Formal sciences are explicitly non-empirical. |
| 17:55.56 | Xho | https://www.facebook.com/digitalspyuk/videos/10153645710926072/ cats rite |
| 17:56.17 | Ghelae | Of course, "non-empirical science" is practically an oxymoron, but calling maths a science is fairly common. |
| 17:56.24 | Hachiman | I never played Go |
| 17:57.03 | Wormy_away | That's true, but the nature of scentific discovery is based on conjectural knowledge, at least in the school of Karl Popper's thought, where evidence tests our ideas, but our ideas are not derived directly from them |
| 17:57.33 | Wormy_away | This actually has been applied to mathematical philosophy (despite Opper's own objections in his time) |
| 17:57.41 | Wormy_away | *Popper's |
| 17:58.52 | Wormy_away | I like it becomes it removes the pompous certainty of some mathematicians, when they fail to out-logic each other, or even find certainty in intuition, which we know can't really be |
| 17:59.00 | Wormy_away | *because it |
| 17:59.05 | Xho | Right what to do |
| 17:59.13 | Hachiman | write bout eburex |
| 17:59.39 | Wormy_away | That's more to do with proof theory than establishing axioms, I think |
| 17:59.41 | Ghelae | But again, that refers to empirical investigations. |
| 17:59.41 | OluapPlayer | Write fiction |
| 17:59.47 | Xho | Eh might as well finish the Abyssus page |
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| 18:00.23 | OluapPlayer | That or move Eschaton |
| 18:01.27 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: So why is Max so obsessed with the stock market? |
| 18:02.19 | Wormy_away | He is a number theorist who works on stock market predictions |
| 18:03.34 | Wormy_away | He's obsessed that mathematical patterns explain reality, and that reality is expressed through numbers |
| 18:03.53 | Wormy_away | He is reclusive and insane :P |
| 18:05.47 | Xho | Depends on whether Hachi and Imp are available for it |
| 18:06.47 | Hachiman | I'm not unfortunately |
| 18:06.49 | Hachiman | I got stuff to do |
| 18:07.25 | Wormy_away | Ghelae: I think the argument goes for proof theory being fallible is that it involves absolute truths, that are objectively certain (and formal), but our knowledge of their proof and relationship can be less certain by the methods. Indeed mathematicians argue about certainty and intuition. Many of these could be based on physical intuitions, like the fact we can count on our fingers |
| 18:14.25 | OluapPlayer | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/727/271/081.jpg |
| 18:16.41 | Wormy_away | In summary, the argument is that the action of proof is a physical process that gives us a window into the abstract. If all knowledge is like this - fallible, then I have no reason to question that domains other than science have objective truths as well. In fact, perhaps there is no reason to even separate metaphysically mathematical plane, physical plane, and whatever more we can dream up |
| 18:17.07 | Wormy_away | Only that our investigations are limited |
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| 18:17.36 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Abyssus blah all done |
| 18:17.39 | Wormy_away | So when you say " the axioms and logical rules that describe our reality is universal, and so must be discovered. Others can be invented. And all of the other mathematics is built up out of those building blocks.", I find I am in agreement |
| 18:17.44 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:17.48 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 18:19.03 | OluapPlayer | Xho: only took u 1 gorillon yeers |
| 18:19.10 | Xho | gorillas tho |
| 18:19.24 | Wormy_away | Also, we often find things in mathematics and physics that are deeply counter-intuitive, and you must admit, abstract. So it does feel like taking this too far does bring us full circle. This needs work |
| 18:19.52 | OluapPlayer | now u work on Dragon Speeker |
| 18:22.52 | Xho | NOOH |
| 18:23.43 | OluapPlayer | u speek |
| 18:28.34 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3070536-drstrangesorcerersupre21-18.jpg |
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| 18:48.59 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://4tololo.ru/files/styles/large/public/images/20141811164140.jpg?itok=z1Oaa5pK |
| 18:49.44 | Hachiman | Why you showing me hot warrior ladies |
| 18:50.45 | Imperios | It's a Russian model |
| 18:51.59 | Wormy_away | Imperios: http://spe.fotolog.com/photo/62/19/85/oles/1201601623_f.jpg |
| 18:52.04 | Imperios | Thought you'd like her |
| 18:52.35 | Wormy_away | http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/e6606be380a47626706e95b0077e1fdf13e9a1b1.jpg |
| 18:54.45 | Wormy_away | Imperios: "All the good brides are Russian these days. 200 quid" http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/e6606be380a47626706e95b0077e1fdf13e9a1b1.jpg |
| 18:54.55 | Wormy_away | right link > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP9ShgxE2_A |
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| 18:58.51 | dromid | Looking at homebrew for DnD. Find some race called "elf orc", basically half-orc but with elves in place of humans. " Because half-elves are lame and half-orcs stupid." |
| 19:00.25 | The_Randomness | I don't have much experience with homebrew, but I do know that it's a mixed bag and that there's a lot of broken stuff out there |
| 19:01.11 | dromid | Calling them "orlf(s)" would be a death wish. According to their info |
| 19:01.18 | dromid | Yeah. Interesting stuff though |
| 19:03.34 | dromid | A great source if you are insanely uncreative and the mm:s and race books don't suffice, though. |
| 19:03.40 | Hachiman | I have had a go at giving stats to elf-orcs before |
| 19:04.44 | dromid | Speaking off, The_Randomness. I have ordered myself 5e's DM guide to give me a proper insight of the mechanics. |
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| 19:04.53 | The_Randomness | Oh, neat |
| 19:05.34 | Imperios | Wormy_away: I CAN BE SEXY TOO |
| 19:05.40 | Imperios | dromid: Elforcs |
| 19:05.58 | Hachiman | Forcs |
| 19:07.35 | Imperios | For some reason I imagine them as both buff and feminine |
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| 19:07.37 | Imperios | Like Custodes |
| 19:07.47 | dromid | I was supposed to order both 5e's MM and PF's Bestiary. But both weren't available to a good price on Amazon. So I'm going to try finding them in the local book & game store. |
| 19:07.48 | Imperios | Or Pillar Men |
| 19:11.16 | Hachiman | I do imagine orcs as being naturally muscular |
| 19:12.08 | dromid | Hachiman Imperios: "You move closer and notices that he needs a new haircut. So you give him one. He is grateful, but confused." - Our DM on rogue's failed hit roll |
| 19:12.21 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:13.07 | Imperios | Hachiman: I mean elf-orcs |
| 19:13.12 | Imperios | Elves + orcs = Pillar men |
| 19:13.33 | dromid | "It's not D&D until you try seducing an orc" |
| 19:13.44 | Hachiman | They would also have to be vampires |
| 19:13.52 | Hachiman | Elf-orc vampires |
| 19:15.22 | dromid | Unmeasureably high Charisma stat |
| 19:18.05 | dromid | https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Elf_orc_(5e_Race) link to the resource, feel free to call me a pleb for using DnD wiki if it requires it |
| 19:22.09 | Imperios | >The Race Card. Learning of the issues, disgraces and grudges between your parents' peoples, as well as the taunts, nuances, stereotypes and slurs developed in those cultures, you gain proficiency in charisma rolls when taunting or frightening other elves and orcs. |
| 19:22.16 | Imperios | Dear lord is that actually a think |
| 19:22.18 | Imperios | thing |
| 19:24.04 | dromid | Most of the races are weird, clever or stolen from other universe of fiction, just as how we apply humans to EVERYTHING. Just because we are humans. |
| 19:24.24 | Imperios | >Eee-WUN-ka |
| 19:24.34 | Imperios | nvm |
| 19:37.24 | dromid | Pretty sure when I play DnD, I'm going to be elf orc barbarian. Macho and Charisma combined. |
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| 19:40.49 | Comrade_Vinny | Macho and Charisma... FOr some reason dromid, that makes me think of this: https://youtu.be/gh1IxhPwMb4?t=47s |
| 19:44.06 | dromid | Comrade_Vinny: Cannot load videos on this connection, but judging from name, it sounds like my PC's potential theme music when getting a 20 on seduce roll |
| 19:44.20 | Comrade_Vinny | ^^ |
| 19:58.02 | dromid | Imperios Hachiman: *cat intrudes and lays on tabletop map* "A colossal+ sphinx has entered the fray!" |
| 20:01.48 | Imperios | Hachiman: I am thinking of the direction orcs could be given in the Fantasyverse |
| 20:02.14 | Imperios | Right now what we have leans more towards "noble barbarians", now that the classic Tolkien orcs Cyr made are gone |
| 20:04.40 | Hachiman | To be honest |
| 20:04.50 | Hachiman | Noble barbarian orcs are far more mainstream than classic evil orcs are now |
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| 20:08.16 | OluapPlayer | People wanted to break the stereotype so much, "noble savage" orcs became the new stereotype |
| 20:08.43 | Hachiman | Aye hur |
| 20:09.06 | Hachiman | I would not mind a return to evil orcs so long as they are interesting |
| 20:09.21 | Hachiman | Khornate-style orcs would be <3 |
| 20:10.03 | OluapPlayer | As long as they're not yet "we're ebul we use dark majik fear us" faction |
| 20:10.07 | OluapPlayer | Too much dark magic in the setting |
| 20:10.14 | OluapPlayer | another* |
| 20:10.18 | Hachiman | Yeah dark magic is a bit overplayed |
| 20:24.02 | dromid | Evil magic stronk |
| 20:24.18 | Hachiman | Other magic schools can be used by evil races / characters |
| 20:24.33 | Hachiman | It is how you apply magic after all |
| 20:24.42 | Hachiman | You do not even have to be evil to learn and use dark magic |
| 20:25.11 | dromid | That's right. |
| 20:25.42 | dromid | Although it is often a question of morality. |
| 20:26.17 | Hachiman | Light magic is more used by evil-aligned characters in the Fantasyverse than it is by good ones as of now hur |
| 20:26.59 | Imperios | I remember seeing an old Hobbit cartoon that kinda made me think of a way orcs could be shown that would both make them non-sterotypical and preserve their roots |
| 20:27.35 | Hachiman | Feel free to do what you want with your orcs hur |
| 20:27.51 | Imperios | Basically miserable slaves to an evil overlord |
| 20:27.52 | Hachiman | Orcs do not have to be all alike anyway |
| 20:28.03 | Hachiman | That's the Vulcanus Orcs |
| 20:28.08 | Imperios | Oh wait yeah |
| 20:28.09 | Hachiman | They are slaves to Xacutus |
| 20:28.30 | OluapPlayer | Not really slaves, they do what they do willingly |
| 20:28.49 | OluapPlayer | Some are not okay with Xacutus's madness, but they willingly want to set the world on fire |
| 20:29.34 | Hachiman | Wrugrak should attempt rebelling against Xacutus to lead the orcs by himself |
| 20:29.44 | OluapPlayer | He'd get fucked if he tried |
| 20:29.50 | OluapPlayer | Plus he's loyal to Xacutus |
| 20:30.15 | Hachiman | I thought he regretted what he did? |
| 20:30.45 | OluapPlayer | He did, but it's not like he can go back now |
| 20:30.52 | OluapPlayer | May as well go to the end of what he got himself into |
| 20:31.01 | Hachiman | I suppose that is fair enough |
| 20:31.16 | dromid | The_Randomness: Reading DMing tips. I found a rule of thumb which I admire: The Three Evil rule. |
| 20:31.25 | The_Randomness | What's that? |
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| 20:32.38 | Monet | Hello |
| 20:32.43 | dromid | Hey |
| 20:32.52 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 20:33.26 | Monet | Xho_: I'm getting temptations ot go back into the Minecraft SPorewiki server and contineu my palace thing |
| 20:33.43 | Xho_ | rite |
| 20:34.42 | dromid | The_Randomness: Having three individual "evil"-aligned or bad guys rather than an end-game BBEG. Each individual is unique to their own motive and sphere. |
| 20:34.54 | OluapPlayer | Monet: Who would you say are the main reps of the DI in the Fog War? |
| 20:35.04 | OluapPlayer | I ask this because they're meant to be honoured by the Dracogonarious when the war is over |
| 20:35.15 | The_Randomness | Interesting, never heard of that before |
| 20:35.43 | dromid | Giving the party more freedom to choose one of the side-quests rather than a railroaded adventure. |
| 20:35.50 | The_Randomness | I like it |
| 20:37.07 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Leondias, Larnus, Sarec, Kelsos and I think there was one battle where Tonbas Credavan was involved. |
| 20:37.30 | Monet | Xho_: Or maybe I do some building in that ocmmunity city place we planned. |
| 20:37.30 | OluapPlayer | I mean Jerkon-tier important |
| 20:38.00 | dromid | Even better with this idea: when one is killed by the party, a new bad/evil troublemaker fills in the place. |
| 20:38.07 | Monet | Leondias and Larnus were the Imperium's primary admirals in the Fog War. |
| 20:38.45 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 20:39.04 | OluapPlayer | Leondias, Larnus and Kelsos should do. The latter also did a lot of stuff |
| 20:41.14 | dromid | The_Randomness: Out of the fray: John the greedy lord, Bob the necromancer and Carl the vampire lord. The picks and kills the necromancer. A new troublemaker fills in the empty slot: Paul the warlord. |
| 20:42.02 | dromid | The party picks* |
| 20:43.14 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Suddenly this makes Kelsos' behaviour during the Xhodocto Vault story seem more shocking to the Indocs. |
| 20:45.09 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - was rude |
| 20:45.19 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - what about, cant remember, but was |
| 20:48.11 | Monet | Kelsos - Sometimes you have do do things people hate to maximise the number of survivors. |
| 20:48.54 | OluapPlayer | I don't actually recall what happened in that story |
| 20:49.03 | OluapPlayer | other than Koluap getting the Xhodocto Axe and Kan'Kun exploding |
| 20:49.48 | Monet | Kelsos tried ot sotp everyone opening and entering the vault then when everyone game out Kelsos had a small army and a shield keeping them in unless they rurned over the vault's treasures to be stored i nthe reliquaries. |
| 20:50.11 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
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| 20:50.19 | Xho_ | Kithworto - r u rly dat dum |
| 20:50.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone' |
| 20:51.34 | Monet | Kelsos - I thought you knew what demon weapons tend to do. |
| 20:51.55 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - make you stronk |
| 20:52.54 | Xho_ | Kithworto - r u rly dat dum |
| 20:53.13 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - r u rly askin dat |
| 20:53.22 | Monet | Kelsos - *points to Maleus* |
| 20:53.34 | OluapPlayer | Maleus - im stronk |
| 20:54.21 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of demons, if anyone wants to ruin the surprise, I've already written the ending of the Fog War. Though some part of it is incomplete since it requires other users to add to it |
| 20:58.28 | Hachiman | Ooh sweet |
| 20:58.34 | Hachiman | I wanna see it more now |
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| 21:04.52 | Zillafire101 | Hello all. |
| 21:05.51 | Monet | Hello! |
| 21:05.56 | TekDroid | Ugh, outlet on this bus is terrible |
| 21:05.58 | Monet | Long time no see |
| 21:06.01 | TekDroid | Hello Zilla |
| 21:06.52 | Comrade_Vinny | HEy Zilla |
| 21:07.37 | TekDroid | Oh great, my only ally in EUIV just rivaled me and broke the alliance. >.< |
| 21:08.07 | Comrade_Vinny | HA! |
| 21:08.28 | Comrade_Vinny | Get romfle-stomped! |
| 21:09.06 | TekDroid | Not for any reason. We had +200 relations, royal marriage, everything. I've even the only other nation of its religion. >.< |
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| 21:09.29 | TekDroid | But apparently I'm the only valid rival, so yeah |
| 21:09.43 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 21:12.35 | TekDroid | Comrade_Vinny: Doesn't help that said ally is Ming. Hoping for the Mingsplosion soon... |
| 21:13.28 | Monet | Seems WWI is due any time now |
| 21:20.20 | Comrade_Vinny | tekdroid: Playing as Korea? |
| 21:21.11 | TekDroid | Yeah. Wanted to try an east Asian game since I usually do Europe. |
| 21:22.40 | TekDroid | Already good chunk of horde lands and Kyushu plus a few colonies so it's going well except for the fact Ming went from my greatest ally to wanting to murder me. |
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| 22:07.55 | Hachiman | "Like the great Plato once said, "What the fuck is this shit get it out of here and never come back"" |
| 22:12.20 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/StrengthStrong/invasion.html Holy shir |
| 22:12.43 | ImpyDroid | So apparently Jack London wrote a science fiction story about China conquering the world |
| 22:14.09 | Hachiman | It's like a counter to that one book about a bioweapon of mass destruction which killed Chinese people |
| 22:14.11 | Monet_2 | I love how it starts off by saying that the second centennial celebration of Americna independance had to be postponed. |
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| 22:15.50 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/N2whhTr.jpg |
| 22:16.11 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 22:16.42 | Monet_2 | Impydroid: Okay, to quote Mark Twain "what the hell is this shit?" |
| 22:17.09 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/JUfqZZP.jpg |
| 22:17.37 | ImpyDroid | What is it with people wanting to virus bomb China |
| 22:17.59 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/lbFynGy.jpg |
| 22:18.33 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 22:18.42 | Monet_2 | Might be that i nthe eyes of Muricans, the Chinese are "dem rirty commyinists" |
| 22:19.12 | Hachiman | Talk about the Yeril Pellow eh |
| 22:19.16 | drom | ImpyDroid: It helps them (the terrorists) because China is basically struggling with the avian-borne viruses and is among the countries with the highest population density. |
| 22:19.21 | Hachiman | I mean Yellow Peril |
| 22:19.40 | ImpyDroid | Yes but that was later |
| 22:19.46 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/5fsfODE.jpg |
| 22:20.06 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:20.08 | drom | Monet_2: http://i.imgur.com/liRviUe.jpg |
| 22:20.29 | Monet_2 | Yus |
| 22:20.52 | Monet_2 | your = yours, you're = you are |
| 22:20.52 | Monet_2 | Why's it so hard? |
| 22:21.32 | Hachiman | So I stumbled onto a video of a mouse eating one of her babies alive |
| 22:21.52 | drom | It is hilariously ironic because it mostly comes from people with English as their native language. |
| 22:21.58 | Monet_2 | "proselytizing Buddhist priests" is that a thing in mainstream Buddhism? |
| 22:22.01 | Hachiman | Its tail had already been eaten off and she was gnawing on its innards through its abdomen |
| 22:22.38 | DrodoEmpire | drom: Blame poor public education in English-speaking countries |
| 22:23.12 | drom | DrodoEmpire: American education in general |
| 22:23.15 | DrodoEmpire | Or, at least several major ones |
| 22:23.31 | DrodoEmpire | Right\ |
| 22:24.03 | drom | I usually see it coming from Americans than Brits and other commonwealth nationalities. |
| 22:24.52 | drom | The most proficient spoken/written English usually come from Canadians, personally saying. |
| 22:25.00 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 22:25.03 | DrodoEmpire | I'm surprised. |
| 22:26.01 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Iovera - I SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ABORTION EARLIER |
| 22:26.02 | Monet_2 | I keep hearing about high-school drop-outs in American media almost like it's a natural part of the education ssytem |
| 22:26.15 | drom | I don't know about people with English as their secondary language, though. |
| 22:26.17 | ImpyDroid | Monet_2: Also that part about short Saxon words |
| 22:26.28 | ImpyDroid | Mandarin has even shorter words than English |
| 22:26.36 | Hachiman | drom: Aren't you a person with English as your second language? |
| 22:27.00 | drom | Hachiman: Yes. |
| 22:27.14 | drom | Though I cannot compare myself to other people. |
| 22:27.26 | Monet_2 | Here in the UK parents can face court prosecution if a child neglects ot attend some form of public or private school. |
| 22:27.46 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 22:28.25 | drom | Plus, I don't pay much attention to the proficiency of English spoken by other people. I lack experience and education on that one. |
| 22:28.28 | Monet_2 | http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/aug/12/increase-parents-england-prosecuted-taking-children-out-of-school |
| 22:29.12 | DrodoEmpire | Like here in Canada at least I know of a fair number of people who'll skip, some more than others. I know of only a handful who out and out drop-out |
| 22:29.47 | drom | Monet_2: We also have a similar form of juridification in Sweden. |
| 22:29.48 | DrodoEmpire | Both groups of people are unsurprisingly often poor and live in bad neighbourhoods |
| 22:30.01 | drom | We shun on home schooling. Just, because. |
| 22:30.25 | Monet_2 | The general impression of these missed school days is parents taking family holidays in term-time |
| 22:31.32 | drom | Also from how I comprehend the reason of shunning home schooling is that it is harder to give the children education on-par with the public education. It is also easier to form or engrave their own specific way of thinking into their children through home-schooling. |
| 22:31.56 | drom | The latter is seen as an opposition to the way of democracy. |
| 22:32.50 | Monet_2 | Depending on who you ask, some see home-schooling as more beneficial for the child's way of devleoping ideas. |
| 22:33.00 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes there are good arguments against home-schooling |
| 22:34.39 | Hachiman | So Obama has issued an emotional statement about becoming more pro-active on gun suppliers giving their clients background checks and closing legal loopholes in the current system while also continuing his campaign on locking down automatic weapons |
| 22:35.13 | Hachiman | The American populace is fucked up if they think that possessing guns keep people from getting harmed instead of causing harm |
| 22:35.33 | Monet_2 | Gun culture is ingrained. |
| 22:36.30 | DrodoEmpire | People have a right to possess firearms. Most people who have them aren't, in fact, crazy. :p That being said, I agree every effort should be made to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals |
| 22:36.37 | Hachiman | If you think you need a gun to keep your family and household safe at night, what kind of enemies have you severely pissed off |
| 22:36.45 | DrodoEmpire | Erm\ |
| 22:37.01 | drom | Becuase it "limits the way of free thinking and capability to take responsibility and individual independence" |
| 22:37.01 | DrodoEmpire | Robbers? Especially in high-crime areas? |
| 22:37.25 | Hachiman | Most robbers are not interested in murdering your family |
| 22:37.51 | drom | Robbers don't murder your family without a reason. |
| 22:37.55 | Monet_2 | No but they could easily hurt or kill you if you get i ntheir way since they might be armed. |
| 22:38.07 | DrodoEmpire | No, but how do you know that? And more importantly, are you just gonna let them get away? |
| 22:38.11 | DrodoEmpire | Not saying you should kill them |
| 22:38.27 | DrodoEmpire | But really if you got a gun chances are they're gonna stay where they are until the cops come |
| 22:38.32 | Hachiman | Most robbers in the UK end up getting caught and a vast majority of families do not possess guns |
| 22:38.58 | Monet_2 | Might be because England has a very harsh record of cun control. |
| 22:39.08 | drom | If they had one, like you witnessing their act(s), their faces or attempting to hinder them. Then they have a reason to harm you inorder to accomplish their cause without any obscatales. |
| 22:39.18 | DrodoEmpire | Does the UK have the sort of crime rate the US has? |
| 22:39.35 | Hachiman | The reason why the US has a high crime rate is because people are allowed to legally purchase guns |
| 22:39.39 | Hachiman | That is the irony |
| 22:39.47 | The_Randomness | No, and neither does any other country that has quite as high of gun ownership as the US |
| 22:39.58 | drom | Keep in mind that America has higher population than UK |
| 22:40.20 | The_Randomness | er |
| 22:40.22 | Monet_2 | drom: The figures are often per 100,000 people. |
| 22:40.22 | The_Randomness | that doesn't |
| 22:40.24 | The_Randomness | words are hard |
| 22:40.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: That's a pretty severe oversimplification, I think. :p |
| 22:40.58 | Hachiman | Australia and the UK have a harsh record of gun control and shootings are a very uncommon occurence; the majority of people who own guns in the UK are police officers and even then, only specialist officers are allowed to carry |
| 22:41.26 | drom | Monet_2: Not specifing "per captia" for data grinds my geras. |
| 22:41.43 | Monet_2 | I think what Hachi is trying ot suggest is the American population are compelled to own guns because of the danger of the unumber of bad pwople owning guns. |
| 22:41.44 | drom | gears* |
| 22:41.54 | The_Randomness | I disagree with that |
| 22:42.06 | The_Randomness | I think the main problem is the availability of guns |
| 22:42.16 | Hachiman | I think the main problem is guns |
| 22:42.20 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Listen, I don't want to start a fight about this, but I just can't get behind a total ban on firearms |
| 22:42.29 | The_Randomness | And the lack of restrictions on gun ownership |
| 22:42.38 | The_Randomness | And the sheer number of guns we have |
| 22:42.55 | DrodoEmpire | I agree with gun control, because naturally the problem the US has is a little out of control |
| 22:43.19 | Monet_2 | In some areas, particularly wilderness orrural areas. I don't mind the idea of a gun license. |
| 22:43.30 | Hachiman | The only civilians in the UK who are allowed to own guns are farmers and the like who live in rural areas away from other people where they cannot do harm |
| 22:43.53 | Hachiman | And even then, those are not semi-automatic assault rifles |
| 22:44.05 | Monet_2 | A complete ban on something tends to encourage people to break that ban. |
| 22:44.08 | drom | DrodoEmpire The_Randomness: IIRC it is commonly parodied in American animated sitcoms. http://media.carbonated.tv/127327_story__simpson.jpg |
| 22:44.25 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 22:44.29 | DrodoEmpire | What, gun ownership? |
| 22:44.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, I know |
| 22:45.03 | Monet_2 | But I see a cultural difference really: Nigel Farage recently stated he wished to lift the UK ban on owning handguns or SMGs. |
| 22:45.15 | Monet_2 | A lot of people were pretty livid. |
| 22:45.17 | Hachiman | Most robbers are ordinary people just like those whose houses they are robbing, I think people should keep in mind |
| 22:45.28 | Hachiman | Which is how they can get ahold of guns in the US |
| 22:45.52 | Hachiman | Because normal people can attain access to guns so easily |
| 22:46.12 | DrodoEmpire | Normal people aren't the ones committing murders I don't think |
| 22:46.33 | Monet_2 | I think there's also the risk of circumventing license regulations via forged licenses. |
| 22:46.42 | Hachiman | A majority of murders and suicides in the UK and Australia are not committed with guns |
| 22:46.47 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: That's a risk though I think its pretty outlandish |
| 22:46.57 | DrodoEmpire | It doesn't invalidate the idea |
| 22:47.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: And...? |
| 22:47.26 | Hachiman | So that proves that putting a lockdown on public gun ownership also drives out the amount of crime caused with guns |
| 22:47.45 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, but depending on actual numbers that just makes people kill by other means |
| 22:47.51 | Monet_2 | DrodoEmpire: People can pay to forge drivers' licenses. What prevents a forged gun license? |
| 22:47.54 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing, Monet |
| 22:47.58 | drom | I can understand the debate about gun control in America, both sides of the fray are right about something and the other. But there is more uneducated, delusional or stubborn people than there is proper debaters. |
| 22:48.17 | DrodoEmpire | But the fact people *can* forge a licence doesn't mean we shouldn't instate them altogether |
| 22:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | Would you remove the need for a drivers' license because they can be forged? |
| 22:48.57 | Monet_2 | That's not what I tried to suggest |
| 22:49.14 | DrodoEmpire | Okay, then I misunderstood you |
| 22:49.57 | Monet_2 | Someone owning a gun license carries a small likelihood that its not a valid one. The best counter is a crackdown on such forgery. |
| 22:50.04 | DrodoEmpire | Right, of course |
| 22:51.23 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose some overhead in that regard would help; Obviously, someone with a criminal record would look suspicious with, say, a license for handguns. |
| 22:51.35 | DrodoEmpire | The ability to look into that in such a way would help |
| 22:51.37 | Hachiman | Knife crimes are one of the more prominent means of crime in the UK since access to guns is very heavily restricted and monitored; the difference between a gun and a knife is that knives are not made with the explicit intent to kill people like guns are |
| 22:51.56 | DrodoEmpire | ...So? |
| 22:51.57 | Hachiman | And knife crimes are easier to stop |
| 22:52.03 | Monet_2 | Some Americans though are just plain stubbourn, treating the right to keep and bear arms asn some divinely-ordained right that they posess. |
| 22:52.20 | DrodoEmpire | To be fair it *is* a constitutional right |
| 22:52.35 | DrodoEmpire | The debate on whether or not its outdated continues however |
| 22:52.49 | DrodoEmpire | Both *can* kill, is the idea that one is *made* to kill the thing that makes it evil? |
| 22:53.14 | Hachiman | The idea that one is *made* to kill means it should not be something issued so easily to the civilian populace |
| 22:53.14 | DrodoEmpire | And even then, I must stress that its not like a gun *makes* you want to kill somebody, or that most guns even are used to murder people with |
| 22:53.48 | Monet_2 | Guns are sort of a lot more dangerous as they can be quite sensetive. |
| 22:54.04 | DrodoEmpire | Its called a safety, Monet |
| 22:54.05 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:54.23 | Hachiman | Yes because a safety has stopped a high school massacre |
| 22:54.29 | DrodoEmpire | Which is another thing; I think that if you want a license or a firearm, you *need* to have at least some basic instruction |
| 22:55.02 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: No, but it *could* stop the many many more accidential deaths from firearms |
| 22:55.09 | DrodoEmpire | If you'd stop misrepresenting my arguments |
| 22:55.32 | Hachiman | If you can cause an accidental death with it that serves to further my point that it should not be allowed to be handled by the public |
| 22:55.36 | Monet_2 | THat might be what makes guns more dangerous than knives: Knife use in the kitchen can be trained by a responsible parent. Safe gun use however is best provided by a professional. |
| 22:55.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: A knife can too |
| 22:55.59 | Hachiman | You have to try real hard to accidentally kill something or someone with a knife |
| 22:56.04 | Monet | For instance even if a single bullet is discharged, the muzzle area sill be quite hot. |
| 22:56.14 | Technobliterator | sometimes, I feel #sporewiki is an inappropriate name for this channel |
| 22:56.16 | DrodoEmpire | A car can kill even more easily if used unwisely |
| 22:56.20 | DrodoEmpire | Should we ban cars? |
| 22:56.29 | Technobliterator | and it should be renamed to #politicalchatbtwsporeaswell |
| 22:56.33 | Hachiman | A car is not made with the explicit intent to kill people |
| 22:56.37 | Hachiman | A gun is |
| 22:57.15 | drom | Charles_Murray DrodoEmpire The_Randomness TekDroid Monet: I found a D&D-style game about space octopuses http://i.imgur.com/RXgi5.jpg |
| 22:57.39 | The_Randomness | wut |
| 22:57.49 | Monet | Technobliterator: We hardly ever talk about Spore the game anyway. I like ot imagine this channel as "the official channel for the Sporewiki community" |
| 22:58.09 | Technobliterator | yeah, and the SporeWiki community does not care about Spore :D |
| 22:58.50 | Technobliterator | Which is unsurprising because the game's dead, what's more surprising is that it still gets new users at all |
| 22:58.55 | Monet | We do, there's just not much to talk about really. |
| 22:59.13 | Technobliterator | also |
| 22:59.40 | drom | Although there is a proper D&D game with -again- proper Sci-Fi setting. |
| 22:59.42 | Technobliterator | I feel the need to bring up that Drodo is from North America and you guys are from Britain |
| 22:59.48 | drom | Mostly cyberpunk although |
| 23:00.00 | Technobliterator | so there will clearly be a difference of opinion on guns when you can find almost none in the latter but plenty in the former |
| 23:00.09 | Monet | Technobliterator: I did suspect there was cultural differences at play here. |
| 23:00.10 | The_Randomness | wtf, I'm not an EU pleb |
| 23:00.13 | The_Randomness | :^) |
| 23:00.30 | Technobliterator | I don't know how well Canada is doing in terms of gun control, but from what I can tell with statistics, a lot better? ?_? |
| 23:00.42 | Monet | British people, especially urbanites, have a generally negative opinion on gun availability. |
| 23:00.53 | The_Randomness | I'm an ameripleb too |
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| 23:01.32 | Technobliterator | the thing is |
| 23:01.32 | The_Randomness | But my stance on guns is pretty extreme, to be honest |
| 23:01.53 | Monet | A lot of Brits are quite fine with the lack of guns in public circulation. |
| 23:02.09 | drom | The_Randomness Monet DrodoEmpire TekDroid Charles_Bot: Ah, here is the cyberpunk D&D http://www.shadowrun.com/what-is-shadowrun/ |
| 23:02.16 | The_Randomness | Oh, I've heard of that |
| 23:02.20 | Technobliterator | it's very easy to say that all guns are bad and you should solve all problems by banning them all, when you do not own or desire to own one, nor do you live in an environment where they are commonplace |
| 23:02.31 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 23:03.02 | Monet | Its easy to agree on banning something you yourself don't need or use. |
| 23:03.09 | Technobliterator | in general, yeah |
| 23:03.29 | Technobliterator | like, I would love to ban all non-electric cars, but I don't think that's practical |
| 23:04.13 | Monet | A large portion of America is much less densely populated than Britain. Britain also lacks things like wolves, coyotes, cobras or bears that can ruin your day. |
| 23:04.39 | Hachiman | Which is why farmers own guns because they live in areas with dangerous animals |
| 23:05.39 | Monet | Some American Suburbs are also occasionally visited by the odd wandering bear or moose. |
| 23:06.21 | Hachiman | I do not see why a standard urban family will have the desire to own a weapon built explicitly with the intent of killing other people just to feel safe |
| 23:06.30 | Monet | Those plasces mmyeah I guess some access to firearms is fine because you can't exactly talk down an agitated bear. |
| 23:06.56 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, I find this to be an interesting position to take when you feel that nuclear deterrence is necessary |
| 23:07.01 | Technobliterator | is it not the same principal? |
| 23:07.13 | OluapPlayer | A WEAPON |
| 23:07.15 | OluapPlayer | TO SURPASS |
| 23:07.16 | OluapPlayer | METAL GEAR |
| 23:07.19 | Monet | Nuclear Deterrance is more of a national pursuit. |
| 23:07.39 | Technobliterator | speaking of which, I need to doublecheck if my game has been updated |
| 23:07.40 | Monet | The effects of gun ownership is more individual. |
| 23:07.48 | Technobliterator | because I dunno why the fuck I haven't got Quiet back yet : | |
| 23:08.06 | OluapPlayer | She quietly refuses to come back to you |
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| 23:08.50 | DrodoEmpire | Damnit, disconnected |
| 23:09.10 | Technobliterator | DrodoEmpire, what did you miss? |
| 23:09.11 | Monet | I'm similar ot Hachi in that I agree with nuclear deterrance. Compared to gun ownership its not like Mexico is going to start raiding Californian houses without alerting the Naational Guard. |
| 23:09.22 | DrodoEmpire | Not so sure |
| 23:09.29 | Technobliterator | well, what was the last message you saw |
| 23:09.30 | DrodoEmpire | I think I said the last thing |
| 23:09.32 | Technobliterator | :P |
| 23:09.37 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 23:09.41 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah I know, I recalling what I saw |
| 23:09.42 | Technobliterator | uh, you missed a lot then |
| 23:09.47 | DrodoEmpire | *I'm |
| 23:09.55 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:11.35 | Monet | I agree that the right to bear arms in America is somewhat antiquated - it was installed in a time when local security or law enforcement may not have been prompt enough. |
| 23:11.52 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, I agree |
| 23:11.54 | Monet | Its also a good defence against hostile First Nations or a sudden invasion by the British. |
| 23:11.56 | OluapPlayer | Xho_: https://i.imgur.com/xyr4wCX.png |
| 23:12.02 | DrodoEmpire | The idea is dated, sure |
| 23:12.12 | Xho_ | Oh dear god |
| 23:12.28 | OluapPlayer | NO ONE BREAKS TO LAW ON OUR WATCH |
| 23:13.14 | Monet | Actually if I recall I'm not sure if the Early United States was able to sustain a permanent standing army like Britain had - hence the Boston Minutemen. |
| 23:13.25 | Monet | Well |
| 23:13.25 | Monet | I think other states also had Minutemen |
| 23:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Addressing your points... Original purpose is irrelevant. :p Banning things because of theoretical, instead or practical, purposes is silly. Though I understand that is only part of your point |
| 23:14.56 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, the early USA had a hard time maintaining a standing army |
| 23:15.10 | Monet | Actually that makes me think |
| 23:15.30 | Monet | Were Britain not fighting France at the time, would there's be a United States? |
| 23:15.32 | Hachiman | What is the practical purpose of a gun Drodo |
| 23:15.39 | Hachiman | To kill stuff |
| 23:15.43 | DrodoEmpire | FOr most people? Not killing |
| 23:15.45 | Hachiman | That is the practical purpose of a gun |
| 23:16.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi... Most people don't buy guns to go kill someone. I speak from personal fucking experience |
| 23:16.27 | Hachiman | Mechanically, it is designed to kill from a range to avoid the wielder from getting hurt at closer distances |
| 23:16.29 | DrodoEmpire | And if they *are* killing, its animals. As in hunting. |
| 23:16.43 | DrodoEmpire | That's theory. I know how a gun works, don't be condescending |
| 23:17.17 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, Tech. |
| 23:17.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I live in Canada, and here gun laws are reasonably strict, maybe a bit nonsensical in regards to black powder weapons, but they're reasonable overall |
| 23:18.12 | DrodoEmpire | There isn't much gun violence and those that want to own a gun may do so |
| 23:18.27 | The_Randomness | I wish the US was more like Canada in a lot of ways |
| 23:18.34 | DrodoEmpire | Canada |
| 23:18.45 | DrodoEmpire | *Canada's far from perfect but thanks for that |
| 23:18.50 | The_Randomness | Of course |
| 23:18.55 | DrodoEmpire | How well do you lot treat your native people? |
| 23:19.19 | Hachiman | In encampments and reserves with a lot of racial stereotyping and prejudice |
| 23:19.27 | DrodoEmpire | I asked Random |
| 23:19.33 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks though |
| 23:20.16 | Monet | Well technically Britain's native people are the Scottish and the Irish. |
| 23:20.20 | Technobliterator | this is...very easy to say when you don't live in the US ._. |
| 23:20.45 | DrodoEmpire | WHat is? |
| 23:20.50 | ImpyDroid | Monet: So still kind of oppressed |
| 23:20.50 | The_Randomness | I don't know too much about that, aside from we just sort of let them do their own thing on their reservations. From what little I have heard about them they're not that great of places though |
| 23:20.59 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:21.04 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds like Canada then |
| 23:21.13 | Technobliterator | Of the people I know who live there, none of them live like that |
| 23:21.17 | DrodoEmpire | We have a... Really bad track record with native americans |
| 23:21.21 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:21.22 | ImpyDroid | This might be weird for my political stance but I do not agree with banning gungs |
| 23:21.24 | ImpyDroid | guns |
| 23:21.34 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither but I agree with regulation |
| 23:21.56 | Technobliterator | you can support regulating guns without supporting banning them |
| 23:21.59 | Technobliterator | I do |
| 23:22.02 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:22.05 | ImpyDroid | True |
| 23:22.18 | Monet | ImpyDroid: if you call the stereotype of drunkards who shag sheep oppression then I guess. |
| 23:22.35 | ImpyDroid | I imagine everyone having military-grade weaponry is a bit too much |
| 23:22.45 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes naturally |
| 23:22.56 | The_Randomness | I honestly support banning guns outright, but I acknowledge that they are valuable in some situations |
| 23:22.57 | Technobliterator | If one could suddenly magic away every gun in existence and prevent anyone from ever getting upset about this happening, and then prevent them from being acquired in any possible way, I would agree with it |
| 23:23.12 | ImpyDroid | But having at least a handgun to protect oneself is great |
| 23:23.12 | DrodoEmpire | That should at least take a good degree of paperwork to own a gun |
| 23:23.13 | Technobliterator | but that's never going to happen |
| 23:23.15 | Monet | Well I think M4s are an illegal weapon in the States. |
| 23:23.21 | DrodoEmpire | *own a military-grade gun |
| 23:23.27 | Technobliterator | it should require more paperwork than a driver's license |
| 23:23.31 | ImpyDroid | pretty much |
| 23:23.37 | Hachiman | Why should a non-military person own a military-grade weapon |
| 23:23.43 | ImpyDroid | Exactly |
| 23:23.59 | Hachiman | That is excessive and you cannot say that such is for the intent of "just killing animals" |
| 23:24.12 | drom | The_Randomness: Conversion of old Austrian mixtape gone wrong in Austria. http://i.imgur.com/Gbq8BtY.webm |
| 23:24.13 | Hachiman | You do not need a semi-automatic assault rifle to shoot and kill a raccoon |
| 23:24.13 | Technobliterator | well |
| 23:24.21 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: To form a militia to successfully stage a revolution if the government becomes dictatorial, obviously |
| 23:24.32 | DrodoEmpire | Think you're mising up semi with fully buddy |
| 23:24.32 | ImpyDroid | At least that was the intent in Muhrica |
| 23:24.36 | Technobliterator | clearly this is for the inevitable day when the Zombie Apocalypse strikes America |
| 23:24.39 | The_Randomness | drom: That mixtape was a bit too spicy |
| 23:24.45 | Technobliterator | how else will you defend yourself |
| 23:24.55 | OluapPlayer | Stab the fucking zombie in the head |
| 23:24.59 | OluapPlayer | SHANK 'IM |
| 23:24.59 | Technobliterator | from a hoard of undead killers that want to eat your brains |
| 23:25.02 | ImpyDroid | For all the ill it did, it actually worked for America |
| 23:25.08 | drom | The_Randomness: That's why I said Austrian mixtape, I'm referencing to our Civ5 game |
| 23:25.13 | ImpyDroid | No one has invaded it in ages |
| 23:25.43 | DrodoEmpire | But anyway, I don't think people should be able to *easily* get a military-grade weapon, at the very least again you should have to consult officials, get registration, maybe even have to have a background in something or other |
| 23:25.45 | Technobliterator | however, the whole "overthrow the government" thing is bullshit |
| 23:25.48 | Technobliterator | no one has ever done it |
| 23:26.00 | The_Randomness | heh |
| 23:26.02 | Hachiman | What is Egypt |
| 23:26.13 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Confederacy |
| 23:26.15 | Technobliterator | there were threats about doing it when gay marriage became legal |
| 23:26.15 | Hachiman | What is Libya |
| 23:26.15 | OluapPlayer | Sand with some triangle buildings |
| 23:26.16 | Technobliterator | but of course |
| 23:26.18 | Technobliterator | it never happened |
| 23:26.19 | The_Randomness | My mixtape in Civ V is fire |
| 23:26.19 | OluapPlayer | Sand |
| 23:26.35 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: What do you mean? |
| 23:26.50 | Hachiman | Egypt and Libya had their governments overthrown just recently |
| 23:26.53 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: Rainforest |
| 23:27.06 | ImpyDroid | I think John was referring to America |
| 23:27.09 | Technobliterator | I wasn't talking about generally, I was talking about MURICA |
| 23:27.09 | ImpyDroid | Jo |
| 23:27.12 | OluapPlayer | dere ain't no rainforests dere |
| 23:27.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi, pretty sure she meant the US. |
| 23:27.16 | Hachiman | Ah |
| 23:27.24 | drom | The_Randomness TekDroid Monet Charles_Bot: That reminds me, anyway possible continue our Civ5 game? |
| 23:27.25 | Xho_ | #napalm |
| 23:27.26 | OluapPlayer | >John |
| 23:27.31 | drom | any way* |
| 23:27.31 | OluapPlayer | Jo Freeman, savior of humens |
| 23:27.35 | Technobliterator | John Freeman |
| 23:27.40 | Technobliterator | saver of humens |
| 23:27.46 | OluapPlayer | get ninjad |
| 23:27.49 | The_Randomness | I would be up for it |
| 23:27.53 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Well there were the CSA |
| 23:28.04 | drom | The_Randomness: http://i.imgur.com/DXLwucg.jpg |
| 23:28.10 | DrodoEmpire | Impy: That wasn't quite a coup |
| 23:28.21 | The_Randomness | 5/7 meme |
| 23:28.39 | drom | No, Random. That's is a trimeme |
| 23:28.51 | ImpyDroid | True |
| 23:28.57 | DrodoEmpire | That was literally a bunch of states *leaving* the country to form their own, they had no intent (at least in the immediate future) to actually overthrow the USA from the inside |
| 23:29.31 | ImpyDroid | But still breaking the government's monopoly on violence does a lot of good |
| 23:30.54 | ImpyDroid | It does allow for massacres, but it also allows the people to fight on their own against crimr |
| 23:30.54 | TekDroid | drom: On a bus. >.> |
| 23:31.22 | DrodoEmpire | Impy: It depends I think |
| 23:33.14 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: Are you okay with some humie Imperial territory existing at the west Tropical Lands? |
| 23:33.53 | ImpyDroid | West as in far west or somewhere west but close enough to the mainland? |
| 23:34.06 | OluapPlayer | West as in, west to the Khargrm Realm |
| 23:34.29 | Hachiman | He means southwest Tropical Lands |
| 23:34.44 | Hachiman | Which I feel should be okay because Mannazian explorations and whatnot |
| 23:35.38 | OluapPlayer | It's basically a forest region locked in eternal night and plagued with vampires, werewolves and undead critters |
| 23:35.41 | OluapPlayer | I reckoned the Empire could be the inhabitants hur |
| 23:36.03 | ImpyDroid | Would be interesting |
| 23:36.16 | ImpyDroid | Since the Empire made expeditions here it'd make sense |
| 23:36.22 | ImpyDroid | *there |
| 23:36.35 | ImpyDroid | Oh and they should be based on early American settlers |
| 23:36.49 | Hachiman | Oluap does not wanna make a new ethnicity or group |
| 23:36.59 | Hachiman | And does not like basing stuff off real life nations |
| 23:36.59 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/d2KGXDV.jpg |
| 23:37.08 | OluapPlayer | Yeah, I'd rather not make a whole new human race just for a forest |
| 23:38.00 | drom | The_Randomness in shell nut http://i.imgur.com/uS2NNUB.jpg |
| 23:38.12 | The_Randomness | rofl |
| 23:38.12 | ImpyDroid | Yeah ofc |
| 23:38.16 | ImpyDroid | Just a random idea |
| 23:38.30 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (65b7d6b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.183.214.180) |
| 23:38.32 | ImpyDroid | They'd be probably settlers from Mannazia or Alhassal |
| 23:38.36 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
| 23:38.37 | ImpyDroid | Or l'Ammanori |
| 23:38.40 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 23:38.41 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 23:38.41 | Hachiman | Or all |
| 23:38.52 | OluapPlayer | Yeah, a bit of all of them would be interesting |
| 23:38.57 | OluapPlayer | Hi bear |
| 23:38.58 | Hachiman | No reason why the three provinces could not have made conjoint explorations hur |
| 23:39.27 | drom | Hachiman ImpyDroid: *intense snorting* http://i.imgur.com/uS2NNUB.jpg |
| 23:39.36 | OluapPlayer | Mannazia spends the time complaining about Alhassal, Alhassal spends the time complaining about Mannazia, l'Ammanori spends the time pickpocketing both |
| 23:39.51 | ImpyDroid | Well I imagined most expeditions outside of the Empire's metropole being joint |
| 23:40.20 | Hachiman | The Mannazian inhabitants could be descendants from the expeditions' military arm |
| 23:40.30 | Hachiman | Since why else would the Empire get Mannazians involved hur |
| 23:40.55 | OluapPlayer | Also it should be a relatively recent colony |
| 23:41.01 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 23:41.07 | ImpyDroid | Mannazians smack shit, Alhassans build shit |
| 23:41.07 | Hachiman | Maybe a couple centuries |
| 23:41.20 | OluapPlayer | brb dinner |
| 23:42.43 | ImpyDroid | A couple centuries by Imperial standards is a lot |
| 23:42.52 | Hachiman | Hm |
| 23:42.59 | ImpyDroid | Less than a century I suppose |
| 23:43.03 | Hachiman | Alright maybe around 150-120 years |
| 23:43.36 | Hachiman | Alright 70 to 80 years hur |
| 23:44.23 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/3BQMHym.gif |
| 23:46.52 | Hachiman | drom: http://45.media.tumblr.com/8bfa15b75fba49a99ff2ab79703a361c/tumblr_n8ycgzHpz71tv4atfo1_400.gif |
| 23:47.22 | drom | flawless fatality! |
| 23:52.05 | drom | Hachiman ImpyDroid: I like the new R2D2 model http://i.imgur.com/ZhPuX11.png |
| 23:52.14 | Hachiman | hur |
| 23:54.46 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/i7xOF1U.png |
| 23:54.55 | drom | Hachiman: And dis http://i.imgur.com/AG6VTrg.jpg |
| 23:54.56 | OluapPlayer | 80 is good |
| 23:55.12 | Hachiman | Why do you like dates being so recent |
| 23:56.11 | OluapPlayer | Being too old would give it way too much history to fill |
| 23:56.17 | OluapPlayer | I don't think you grasp how long a century is |
| 23:57.12 | OluapPlayer | A lot of things can happen in a year or a decade, let alone a full century |
| 23:57.20 | OluapPlayer | Which is why I think Koldenwelt's dating system is fucked |
| 23:57.29 | Hachiman | Only for humans |
| 23:57.38 | Hachiman | Things happen a lot shorter for things like elves |
| 23:57.43 | Hachiman | Longer even |
| 23:57.51 | OluapPlayer | Elves develop at the same speed as humans |
| 23:58.04 | drom | Hachiman Xho_ The_Randomness AdmiralPanda: This may be interesting http://i.imgur.com/wyY591o.jpg |
| 23:58.21 | Xho_ | patrick bateman 100/10 |
| 23:59.25 | The_Randomness | The only people that I recognize in there are the three from the Harry Potter movies |
| 23:59.31 | The_Randomness | Goes to show how many movies I've watched lel |
| 23:59.57 | Hachiman | >not recognizing the Terminator |
