| 00:00.04 | Technobliterator | and am struggling to get into the other |
| 00:00.18 | OluapPlayer_ | That's because you just don't like Fallout 4 |
| 00:00.23 | OluapPlayer_ | Bravely Default has nothing to do with it |
| 00:00.31 | Hachiman | You're not appreciating Fallout 4 for what it is even though I do not like it either, you are just going "ugh I wish I was playing Bravely Default" |
| 00:00.40 | Hachiman | Which you should just do hur |
| 00:01.03 | Monet | "Bravely Default uses turn-based combat and multi-hit combination moves." pardo nif this sounds narrow but is this why the combat is betteri n your opinion? |
| 00:01.15 | Technobliterator | Not at all |
| 00:01.33 | Wormy_ | Mothership Zeta is the most colourful expansion for Fallout 3, just completed it |
| 00:01.50 | Wormy_ | But then you are in an alien mothership |
| 00:01.50 | OluapPlayer_ | Mothership Zeta made aliens canon |
| 00:01.53 | Technobliterator | I'm completely open to RPG combat systems that are more action based |
| 00:01.58 | OluapPlayer_ | That pulled off a lot of people from what I can see |
| 00:02.26 | Technobliterator | the reason I like Bravely Default's system more here is the simple reason that I can play it without just being murdered by the enemies a million times over |
| 00:02.31 | OluapPlayer_ | Yeah but Fallout 3 onwards are not RPGs. They're shooters with RPG elements |
| 00:02.35 | Monet | It's a 1950s setting and people are *pissed* they got little green men? Really? |
| 00:03.08 | OluapPlayer_ | It's because putting aliens in it can downplay humankind's own importance in the post-apocalyptic setting |
| 00:03.25 | Wormy_ | I don't get that feeling |
| 00:03.27 | Technobliterator | I'm fine with shooter elements in RPGs, I loved Mass Effect. I'm not fine when I have no clue where I'm going and die repeatedly because all my guns suck from the beginning |
| 00:03.32 | Technobliterator | Mass Effect never did that to me |
| 00:03.49 | OluapPlayer_ | If that's the case then you're deliberately ignoring quest markers |
| 00:03.52 | Wormy_ | The aliens blew up pretty easily |
| 00:03.56 | Technobliterator | No, I'm not |
| 00:04.07 | OluapPlayer_ | It's more of a lore complaint than a gameplay one |
| 00:04.32 | Monet | I liked the inclusion of aliens because Fallotu has always been a little silly. |
| 00:04.40 | Wormy_ | ^ |
| 00:04.48 | Technobliterator | I know how to get from location to location, but once I get to the location, I basically lose all sense of direction and suddenly some guy ambushes me and kills me in two hits |
| 00:05.03 | Monet | Sure we got aliens but we took over their ship with a cowboy, a pre-war soldier and a bloody Samurai. |
| 00:05.07 | OluapPlayer_ | The setting revolves around humanity's mistakes, and while that is not the case now, it would be jarring to learn aliens did it |
| 00:05.13 | Wormy_ | I have no experience of 4, but those problems you describe I don't have in 3. |
| 00:05.40 | Technobliterator | I think I would have them in 3 as well, I don't think this is a problem with 4 |
| 00:05.40 | OluapPlayer_ | That's why people don't like the Mothership Zeta aliens |
| 00:05.44 | Wormy_ | Monet: The cowboy kept calling him a Chinaman |
| 00:05.44 | Technobliterator | I think this is a problem with me |
| 00:06.00 | Monet | OluapPlayer: I don't think the aliens really did anything other than standard Grey butt stuff. |
| 00:06.07 | Technobliterator | I think I'm so accustomed to JRPGs that WRPGs seem completely jarring |
| 00:06.12 | OluapPlayer_ | That's the case as far as I'm aware |
| 00:06.13 | Technobliterator | hell, I struggled with KOTOR for the same reason |
| 00:06.29 | OluapPlayer_ | But this is Bethesda, and Bethesda likes to rape their IPs with retcons at times |
| 00:06.34 | Technobliterator | but the story kept me interested enough to get through the gameplay |
| 00:06.35 | Monet | Technobliterator: Funnily enough I know how you feel. |
| 00:06.40 | Technobliterator | Oh? |
| 00:06.51 | Wormy_ | Oluap: Played through Zeta. The aliens didn't cause the wasteland, they were merely abducting and experimenting on people for a future invasion |
| 00:07.01 | Wormy_ | So those moaners are wrong |
| 00:07.04 | Monet | I'm much more confortable with MSG V's style of stealth and combat, which played a lot more like Deus Ex. |
| 00:07.04 | OluapPlayer_ | I know they didn't, I know Fallout's story |
| 00:07.17 | Monet | MGS* |
| 00:07.37 | Technobliterator | oh Deus Ex |
| 00:07.40 | Technobliterator | I loved that game |
| 00:07.57 | Technobliterator | I sometimes struggled with the combat on that as well, but I still loved it overall |
| 00:07.58 | Monet | The whole top-down control scheme was odd at times to me. Especiall when guys were shooting. |
| 00:08.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Regarding sense of direction, I don't see what you mean when the game gives you directions in the form of quest markers |
| 00:08.13 | Technobliterator | no, Oluap, I don't mean that |
| 00:08.26 | Technobliterator | I mean when you're stuck inside a facility with tons of different paths leading everywhere |
| 00:08.34 | Technobliterator | and your quest is just a generic "kill the raiders" |
| 00:08.58 | OluapPlayer_ | I've played 3, New Vegas and 4 all to varying periods of time and I've never gotten lost as long as I followed the map |
| 00:09.21 | Wormy_ | You wouldn't have like Mothership Zeta, paths everwhere |
| 00:09.42 | OluapPlayer_ | I only ever get lost if I deliberately go another way to look for shortcuts. Did that once and ended up in an area infested with giant scorpions |
| 00:09.46 | OluapPlayer_ | Butt was not ready that day |
| 00:09.59 | Technobliterator | I might just be playing an annoying mission then |
| 00:10.05 | Technobliterator | this was the first location I got lost on btw |
| 00:10.17 | Technobliterator | but it happened so early I just thought "oh god will they all be like this" |
| 00:10.22 | OluapPlayer_ | I didn't like Fallout 4 for a variety of reasons, but getting lost was not among them |
| 00:11.19 | Monet | Technobliterator It does potentially sound like you have a sense of unfamiliarity with western RPG systems. |
| 00:11.39 | Wormy_ | The hell http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/12/27/man-sues-bethesda-because-fallout-4-is-too-addictive/ |
| 00:11.42 | Technobliterator | I feel like the underlying message in Fallout is kind of the same stuff I've heard in MGS time and time again except I don't find it as enjoyable here |
| 00:11.48 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes, that's a thing that happened |
| 00:11.56 | Hachiman | Keep in mind that Jo managed to get lost on a straight line in Half-Life |
| 00:12.08 | OluapPlayer_ | It's more like "I'm suing Bethesda because I can't control my own insanity" |
| 00:12.25 | Wormy_ | Entitlements these days |
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| 00:12.52 | Monet | Technobliterator: Something like that. But while Metal Gear had you experience the social issue as it is, Fallout used a fictitious backdrop. |
| 00:13.14 | OluapPlayer_ | Metal Gear is about the danger of nuclear warfare. Fallout is about life after nuclear warfare |
| 00:13.20 | Monet | Places some would recognised but still a far cry from the world we know |
| 00:14.08 | Monet | "War never changes" refers to how no matter the circumstances, war never differs much in why it is fought - resources, territory and perhaps ideology. |
| 00:15.12 | Monet | Not even the collapse of all known nation states or modern society as we know it (and as corrupt as it is), humans will still fight over something. |
| 00:15.54 | Monet | Metal Gear and Fallout convey similar messages about human anture, just different ways. |
| 00:18.38 | Monet | (I'm done) |
| 00:20.04 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: Colour differences https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JgJY9Sof0NA/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yjxo_htkIyI/hqdefault.jpg |
| 00:20.49 | Monet | I'd say there's a big colour difference in the 1st one. |
| 00:21.30 | Monet | 4 looks a lot less like the universe has been wee'd on. |
| 00:21.59 | Wormy_ | lmao |
| 00:22.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Fallout 3, where everything glows green |
| 00:22.36 | Monet | because radiashun! |
| 00:22.46 | Wormy_ | Actually in Mothership Zeta, I thought it was funny that the girl exclaimed Earth looked beautiful. I looked down to see a green and yellow wasteland |
| 00:23.39 | drom | Wormy_ Monet: https://www.facebook.com/tuulispaa/photos/pb.482752198444434.-2207520000.1451241582./1081010415285273/?type=3&theater |
| 00:24.41 | Wormy_ | nice |
| 00:24.50 | Monet | Awww :) |
| 00:24.52 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, it wasn't even close to a straight line |
| 00:25.18 | Hachiman | It was a straight line |
| 00:25.34 | Hachiman | Or at the least, a very linear path |
| 00:26.09 | Monet | Alternate paths led to dead ends. |
| 00:26.18 | Monet | Oh wait you mean the swams |
| 00:26.22 | Monet | swamps* |
| 00:26.36 | Monet | Okay those were a little tricky to navigate. |
| 00:26.37 | OluapPlayer_ | He's talking about Half-Life, which's a linear game |
| 00:28.07 | Monet | I think I rememebr Techno saying where she got lost was the swamps outside City 17 |
| 00:28.08 | Technobliterator | it wasn't even close to linear |
| 00:28.22 | Technobliterator | I got lost there, and in that ghost town thingy that doesn't tell you what to do |
| 00:28.37 | OluapPlayer_ | Don't complain about the game not holding your hand |
| 00:28.52 | OluapPlayer_ | I've played through it, it's as linear as linear can get |
| 00:29.02 | Technobliterator | There's a huge difference between not holding your hand |
| 00:29.08 | Technobliterator | and giving you absolutely no information to go on |
| 00:29.10 | Monet | Eventually you get to where you need to go. |
| 00:29.21 | Monet | Eventually. |
| 00:29.30 | OluapPlayer_ | Yeah no, this is not the case |
| 00:29.59 | OluapPlayer_ | The city is built to be a maze, it's not going to have a huge neon sign saying "THIS IS WHERE TO GO TO FINISH THE LEVEL" |
| 00:30.29 | Technobliterator | Then it's not linear, is it? |
| 00:30.34 | OluapPlayer_ | It is |
| 00:30.38 | OluapPlayer_ | There is only one way to go |
| 00:30.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Any other possible path is a dead end |
| 00:30.54 | Hachiman | God forbid Jo attempts to play Dark Souls |
| 00:31.13 | OluapPlayer_ | Eh, Dark Souls is not a linear game |
| 00:31.15 | Technobliterator | You're telling me it's "as linear as linear can get" and then telling me that it's "built to be a maze" |
| 00:31.27 | OluapPlayer_ | Linear means there's only one way forward |
| 00:31.34 | OluapPlayer_ | Ravenholm only has one way out |
| 00:31.40 | Technobliterator | This doesn't mean it's easy to find the way forward |
| 00:31.49 | OluapPlayer_ | Why should it be easy? |
| 00:31.54 | OluapPlayer_ | Why can't the game be challenging? |
| 00:32.27 | Technobliterator | It isn't challenging, it's dull and frustrating |
| 00:32.40 | OluapPlayer_ | That's your opinion |
| 00:32.55 | Technobliterator | The challenge should be the enemies, not "find xyz obscure puzzle piece to make it through the level gogogoooooooo" |
| 00:33.08 | OluapPlayer_ | As if there was any urgency |
| 00:33.17 | OluapPlayer_ | Unless you're doing a Gravity Gun-only run, there isn't |
| 00:33.20 | Monet | I think I got stuck in one part of Ravenholm for a time. |
| 00:33.43 | Monet | But I tried looking for ladders or ledges. |
| 00:33.57 | Monet | Once I got stuck |
| 00:34.27 | Technobliterator | My problem here isn't the game. My problem is people telling me that I'm getting "stuck on a straight line" as if the line was completely straight. It's not, it's a wobbly line full of obstacles and obscure paths around them |
| 00:34.54 | Monet | Then again...I palyed Prince of Persia. |
| 00:34.58 | Monet | And Tomb Raider |
| 00:34.59 | OluapPlayer_ | There's only one way out. If you can't find it, it's because you're not paying enough attention |
| 00:35.17 | Monet | Games where finding the way out is as much a challenge as any enemies you encounter. |
| 00:35.37 | Monet | Perhaps moreso. |
| 00:35.59 | OluapPlayer_ | Half-Life 2 was the first game to use the Source engine. Valve wanted to show it off as much as they could |
| 00:36.10 | OluapPlayer_ | that can be seen in the game's puzzles |
| 00:37.18 | Monet | And then they made Portal? |
| 00:37.31 | OluapPlayer_ | Yeah |
| 00:38.12 | OluapPlayer_ | Portal came out 3 years after Half-Life 2 |
| 00:38.21 | OluapPlayer_ | Good lord, Half-Life 2 is 11 years old |
| 00:38.40 | Technobliterator | Now, see, I loved Portal, but I wasn't surprised when that game made me slip up and confused me |
| 00:38.44 | Technobliterator | because I knew that was the point of the game |
| 00:38.55 | Technobliterator | I didn't go into Half Life 2 expecting that, which might have been my problem |
| 00:39.03 | OluapPlayer_ | You're bad at the game hur |
| 00:39.39 | Monet | I think the original Half Life hada few platformer puzzles. |
| 00:40.46 | OluapPlayer_ | It had |
| 00:41.07 | OluapPlayer_ | The last few levels of Half-Life are widely disliked for their platforming |
| 00:41.09 | Wormy_ | I suppose this is the closest analogy to the Wasteland in real life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Forest |
| 00:48.11 | Liquid_Ink | Honestly I really enjoy the Xen levels. |
| 00:48.44 | Monet | The old Quake games were quite platform-y. |
| 00:54.58 | Wormy_ | World's northern-most desert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XhhMUEEMc |
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| 01:14.48 | Technobliterator | not sure if I should just give up and try another mission tomorrow |
| 01:15.14 | Technobliterator | if I'm not playing for the main story, I have no idea what I'm playing for, or what I'm doing at all |
| 01:16.55 | Monet | You have about 400 square kilometres ot explore. |
| 01:17.27 | Wormy_ | You have to explore. It is the only way to play |
| 01:17.33 | Wormy_ | And get higher gear |
| 01:17.38 | Monet | Falout games tend to be filled to the brim with dungeons. |
| 01:17.56 | Wormy_ | I had a problem with ammo early in the game |
| 01:19.00 | Wormy_ | Personally I like the unknown. When I play F3 I don't know what sort of adventure I might end up in. |
| 01:21.46 | Technobliterator | Just..."explore"? |
| 01:21.57 | Technobliterator | Like...nothing specific or anything? ._. |
| 01:22.04 | Monet | I think this might be a style difference between J and WRPGs - WRPGs often seem to contain content that doesnt' really advance the main story. |
| 01:22.43 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes, exploration for the sake of exploration |
| 01:22.47 | OluapPlayer_ | Fallout has a lot of it |
| 01:23.10 | Technobliterator | It's not. KOTOR and Mass Effect didn't give me this either ._. |
| 01:23.51 | Monet | Mass Effect did. |
| 01:23.58 | Monet | All those planets to land and drive about on |
| 01:24.11 | Monet | And all the mini-missions in Mass Effect 2 |
| 01:24.51 | Technobliterator | That's completely different |
| 01:24.55 | Technobliterator | You still know what to do |
| 01:25.19 | Monet | Fallout is a sandbox game. |
| 01:25.30 | Technobliterator | You have a clear-cut main quest and it's made very obvious how to advance your character to the point where you're not complete paper with useless weapons |
| 01:25.31 | Monet | That's one way to describe it: You make your own fun. |
| 01:25.33 | Technobliterator | Fallout 4 has none of this |
| 01:26.53 | Monet | Fallout's appeal has long been "explore the world". |
| 01:27.07 | Wormy_ | Imimaging the story as your ow adventure helps, rather than simply looking for objectives |
| 01:27.19 | Monet | There are places in 3 and NV where the mai nstory will enver bring you close to. |
| 01:27.37 | Hachiman | You do have a main quest in FO4 |
| 01:27.40 | Hachiman | Find your son |
| 01:27.47 | Technobliterator | there's a difference between optional dungeons |
| 01:27.51 | Wormy_ | I've actually abandoned the main quest line and done huge detours |
| 01:28.01 | Technobliterator | and lack of main quest |
| 01:28.26 | Technobliterator | I have about 4 quests here, and I can't tell which of them is what I'm supposed to be doing |
| 01:28.33 | Technobliterator | either way, my character is paper with a useless gun |
| 01:29.12 | Wormy_ | Huh, can't you select a quest? |
| 01:29.13 | Monet | By sticking to the path the main story sets you, you might never experience the wonders such as Vault Gary, The superhero war of Canterbury Commons or the ruins of the US Capitol. |
| 01:29.50 | Technobliterator | I can |
| 01:29.51 | Technobliterator | but I don't know which to do |
| 01:29.53 | Technobliterator | because as far as I can tell, I could perform just as badly on any of them |
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| 01:30.03 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 01:30.07 | Monet | Hi |
| 01:30.10 | Wormy_ | I want to meet the beer dispenser robot in F4 |
| 01:30.14 | Technobliterator | Monet, this has nothing to do with optional dungeons |
| 01:30.27 | Monet | Technobliterator: My bad then. |
| 01:30.33 | Technobliterator | I can't get to those dungeons if my character is still paper with useless weapons |
| 01:30.37 | Technobliterator | hi panda |
| 01:30.37 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_: As in you want to find it in-game or you want it IRL |
| 01:30.42 | Monet | You can set quest markers I'm sure of it. |
| 01:30.48 | Hachiman | Jo has gone full retard btw Panda |
| 01:30.49 | AdmiralPanda | which game are you two talking about? |
| 01:31.03 | Technobliterator | I'm talking about Fallout 4 |
| 01:31.04 | Hachiman | She thinks FO4 has no main quest and is absolutely colorless |
| 01:31.05 | Monet | Jo's dissapointed with FO4. |
| 01:31.15 | Wormy_ | Jo: You've got a minor weapon, but that's why you need to explore. You'll soon get rifles, then assault rifles, and then laser gatling guns |
| 01:31.21 | Technobliterator | And Hachi completely exaggerates every point I made |
| 01:31.25 | Hachiman | And like always, has no idea where to go even when it is laid out for her |
| 01:31.33 | Technobliterator | with no context |
| 01:31.49 | Wormy_ | AdmiralPanda: In-game |
| 01:31.54 | Hachiman | The context is that you are mad FO4 is not Bravely Default |
| 01:31.54 | AdmiralPanda | ok, so the main quest is terrible, but then again it's a bethesda game what do you expect? |
| 01:31.59 | Wormy_ | Not got F4 yet though |
| 01:32.12 | Hachiman | No no, she does not mean it is terrible |
| 01:32.22 | Hachiman | She means she thinks there is *no* main quest for her to follow |
| 01:32.25 | Hachiman | And is lost |
| 01:32.32 | Monet | As in navigation troubles |
| 01:32.37 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, you realise I can speak for myself, you know? ._. |
| 01:32.42 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_: there's a quest to find it in one of the side settlements you go to |
| 01:32.57 | Wormy_ | I see |
| 01:33.03 | Hachiman | Don't you start shoving your feminist propaganda down my throat Jo I swear to God |
| 01:33.11 | Hachiman | To the moon, Jo, to the fucking moon |
| 01:33.48 | Monet | *studio laughter* |
| 01:34.13 | AdmiralPanda | I know it's in the basement of a brewery, just trying to remember which one specifically |
| 01:35.44 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: Try setting yourself some goals. Stock up on weapons, ammunition and aid |
| 01:36.12 | Wormy_ | You will find a plethora of side quests and the main quest won't matter so much |
| 01:36.22 | Technobliterator | Now, I'd be more than happy to do that |
| 01:36.32 | Technobliterator | if I knew where to go to get any of that |
| 01:36.42 | Wormy_ | If you do that, then when it comes to doing quests, it will be a lot more fun |
| 01:37.11 | Wormy_ | I actually had the same problem. I wasn't sure where the main quest was going, had very little weapons and ammunition when I started |
| 01:37.41 | Monet | Yeah that's where FO4 might differ from some RPGs |
| 01:37.44 | Technobliterator | did you just look for game guides online or something to find where to stock up on them? |
| 01:37.52 | Monet | Merchants. |
| 01:38.01 | Wormy_ | I browsed the wiki if I needed help |
| 01:38.02 | Technobliterator | hasn't encountered a single merchant yet |
| 01:38.15 | Wormy_ | Try looking for them in settlements |
| 01:38.15 | Monet | Not even in the very first town you've found? |
| 01:38.26 | Technobliterator | Nope |
| 01:38.32 | Technobliterator | I can transfer items to NPCs |
| 01:38.35 | Technobliterator | but that's about it |
| 01:38.57 | Wormy_ | In Fallout 3, even a chef can be an invaluable merchent |
| 01:40.00 | Wormy_ | interesting place http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2013/02/26/shoyna_the_worlds_northernmost_desert_23279 |
| 01:40.00 | Monet | So there's just walkers in this first village? |
| 01:40.25 | Wormy_ | Jo: You might find people to work for, too |
| 01:40.26 | Monet | Huh... At least in Megaton you could buy supplies form Moira, or the bartender. |
| 01:40.37 | Wormy_ | Ugh ugh Moira |
| 01:40.49 | AdmiralPanda | the first settlement (Sanctuary) is a player settlement, you have to invest perks before you set up your own shops essentially |
| 01:40.57 | AdmiralPanda | but once you get to Diamond City there's vendors for everything |
| 01:41.02 | AdmiralPanda | including a guy who thinks baseball is a blood sport |
| 01:41.36 | Technobliterator | Oh, I'm close to Diamond City |
| 01:41.45 | Monet | facepalms |
| 01:44.25 | Monet | Then you're not completely lost. |
| 01:45.42 | Wormy_ | The game for me picked up after discovering Rivet City |
| 01:45.54 | Wormy_ | And that was from that fire ant quest |
| 01:46.04 | Wormy_ | Which was very hard because I only had a handgun |
| 01:47.51 | AdmiralPanda | let the chatroom keep in mind Wormy_ isn't talking about 4 |
| 01:48.32 | Technobliterator | Monet, I said I was completely lost in this dungeon, not the entire map |
| 01:49.17 | Wormy_ | They know I'm only talking about 3, as I have stated time and again. But I hope to impart some advise that should be sound in F4. |
| 01:49.35 | Monet | You I don't know the layout of the dungeon so I can't help. |
| 01:50.06 | OluapPlayer_ | Ngh, the fire ant quest |
| 01:50.07 | Monet | But admittedly I've seen a few dungones that can *feel* somewhat maze-like, but I think that's part of that explorative feel. |
| 01:50.11 | OluapPlayer_ | I almost dropped Fallout 3 because of it |
| 01:50.21 | Wormy_ | dem Fukkin' ants |
| 01:50.23 | Wormy_ | same |
| 01:50.30 | Monet | I was fine, sort of. |
| 01:51.18 | Monet | Then again when I faced the quest I had a lot of stuff - an AK-47, good bod armour, stimpacks, food and plenty of 5.57mm ammuition. |
| 01:51.39 | Technobliterator | these are all things I completely lack |
| 01:51.43 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 01:51.46 | Wormy_ | I had only a Chinese pistol and a knife. |
| 01:52.00 | Monet | I had been killing a lot of super-mutants before facing those fire ants. |
| 01:52.06 | OluapPlayer_ | "why don't I have good gear at the beginning of the game" |
| 01:52.06 | OluapPlayer_ | dum |
| 01:52.07 | Wormy_ | I would be fine now. Those ants would be shredded |
| 01:52.33 | Monet | Technobliterator: How many hours into the game are you? |
| 01:52.45 | Technobliterator | I don't know |
| 01:52.58 | Monet | Your Stema overlay would say. |
| 01:53.03 | Monet | Steam* |
| 01:53.06 | Technobliterator | It wouldn't, I don't play it on Steam |
| 01:53.19 | Wormy_ | But the point is, it led me to Rivet city and then the game picked up. So hopefully something like that will happen for you |
| 01:53.25 | Monet | Oh... Oh right console |
| 01:54.22 | OluapPlayer_ | Thank fuck there are no fire ants in Fallout New Vegas |
| 01:54.27 | OluapPlayer_ | Or barely any ants at all even |
| 01:54.38 | Wormy_ | There was a couple of times when I just said "nope" and ran away. Like my first encounter with feral ghouls and Yui Gui |
| 01:54.52 | Monet | Albino Radscorpion |
| 01:54.57 | Monet | Lucky I had Dogmeat. |
| 01:55.16 | OluapPlayer_ | I nope'd the first time I saw ants in New Vegas, but they turned out to be massive pushovers |
| 01:55.19 | Monet | By the time Dogmeat was fighting the radscoprions he was a damn tank. |
| 01:56.05 | Wormy_ | I encountered 3 Yui Gui at once, for the first time. I didn't even know they existed, or what had hit me |
| 01:56.20 | OluapPlayer_ | Later I tried to find a shortcut to a place I had to go, and decided to go off road |
| 01:56.28 | OluapPlayer_ | Eventually I found a place called Scorpion Gulch |
| 01:56.35 | OluapPlayer_ | Needless to say, I got the fuck back to the road |
| 01:56.40 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 01:57.06 | AdmiralPanda | heh scorpion gulch |
| 01:57.08 | AdmiralPanda | that place was fun |
| 01:57.21 | OluapPlayer_ | My first giant radscorpion was there |
| 01:57.23 | OluapPlayer_ | It wasn't fun |
| 01:57.38 | Monet | Panda has fond memories, Oluap took the first train to Nopeland. |
| 01:57.39 | AdmiralPanda | I walked north of goodsprings :) |
| 01:57.56 | OluapPlayer_ | You're a goof that's what you are |
| 01:58.10 | OluapPlayer_ | That's Deathclaw dong land |
| 01:58.24 | AdmiralPanda | you don't survive long enough to get to deathclaw land, the whole valley is full of radscorpions |
| 01:58.42 | OluapPlayer_ | Can't remember any danger before Sloan |
| 01:58.57 | OluapPlayer_ | Only after, where there are Deathclaws and Cazadores around being fags |
| 01:59.15 | AdmiralPanda | oh I mean literally walking north of goodsprings |
| 01:59.24 | OluapPlayer_ | Oh |
| 01:59.29 | OluapPlayer_ | Can't say I remember that part |
| 01:59.36 | AdmiralPanda | it's full of radscorpions and sadness |
| 01:59.58 | OluapPlayer_ | I've not actually explored much of the map, I mostly kept to the main quest regions |
| 02:00.20 | Monet | I think I'm most familiar with the capital Wasteland |
| 02:00.21 | AdmiralPanda | I did the main quest, then on my second playthrough I stopped to look at every pebble |
| 02:00.29 | Monet | Became quite familiar with the DC metro line. |
| 02:00.41 | AdmiralPanda | but god do I know the Boston Wasteland now, since I basically own the place |
| 02:00.48 | AdmiralPanda | I mean, the *brotherhood* owns the place |
| 02:01.19 | OluapPlayer_ | Boston Wasteland |
| 02:01.23 | OluapPlayer_ | Which one is that again? |
| 02:01.30 | Monet | Where you are in FO4 |
| 02:01.34 | OluapPlayer_ | Ah |
| 02:01.39 | OluapPlayer_ | So you sided with the nazis |
| 02:01.52 | Monet | Brotherhood aren't Nazis. |
| 02:01.57 | Monet | Enclave are Nazis. |
| 02:02.00 | OluapPlayer_ | They are in Fallout 4 |
| 02:02.16 | OluapPlayer_ | They're all like "GAS THE SYNTHS" |
| 02:02.35 | AdmiralPanda | Yes, because the synths are a WEAPON created with the sole purpose of infiltrating and undermining the commonwealth. |
| 02:02.37 | Wormy_ | I have still yet to explore the North and East of the map |
| 02:02.43 | AdmiralPanda | people conveniently like to forget that |
| 02:02.47 | OluapPlayer_ | wepons r gud tho |
| 02:02.54 | AdmiralPanda | weapons caused the apocalypse |
| 02:02.55 | OluapPlayer_ | can keep bad peeps away fro ur caps |
| 02:02.57 | Monet | Brotherhood - Pre-war tech. BAAAD |
| 02:03.03 | OluapPlayer_ | from* |
| 02:03.07 | Wormy_ | Furthest North I've been in the wasteland is where you find the mothership and the abandoned subpower station |
| 02:03.20 | Monet | Brotherhood - Anything derived from pre-war tech, BAAAAD. Our property. |
| 02:03.22 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Funnily enough it's not being "pre-war" that they have a problem with, it's the tech's potential to hurt humanity |
| 02:03.24 | Wormy_ | *find an abandoned (there's a few) |
| 02:03.47 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: I know they like to hoard tech like an obsessive tech-priest. |
| 02:03.56 | AdmiralPanda | of course, a LOT of technology from before the war is intended to kill lots of people, hence why they keep it out of the hands of raiders |
| 02:04.01 | AdmiralPanda | well duh |
| 02:04.18 | AdmiralPanda | so does everyone else given the chance |
| 02:04.19 | OluapPlayer_ | That's because they are obsessive tech-priests |
| 02:04.41 | OluapPlayer_ | They're eve space marines, sans the space bit |
| 02:04.44 | Hachiman | You think the Brotherhood are obsessive tech-priests? |
| 02:05.08 | Hachiman | Adeptus Mechanicus says hi |
| 02:05.23 | Monet | Hachiman: They have scribes and madly scramble for any kind of pre-war tech. |
| 02:05.27 | AdmiralPanda | literally at no point do the Brotherhood have a goal other than remove the Synth threat to humanity and ensure the Institute's technology never hurts humanity again, and yet everyone treats them like some kind of monster |
| 02:05.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Quasi-religious organization whose primary goal is to hoard pre-war technology and not let anyone else get their hands on it |
| 02:05.37 | OluapPlayer_ | Obsessive tech-priest fits them nicely |
| 02:06.00 | Monet | I reall the main reason the DC brotherhood were mroe open because before they arrived, the SUper-Mutants were wrecking everyones' day. |
| 02:06.01 | OluapPlayer_ | I hear the Brotherhood became feudal warlords at the Capital Wasteland |
| 02:06.18 | AdmiralPanda | where the fuck did you hear that? |
| 02:07.10 | Monet | The Brotherhood couldn't afford to keep to themselves while mutants ran rampant in DC streets, and clearing them out was such a task that recruiting local talent was one of the best ways to sustain teir numbers. |
| 02:07.51 | OluapPlayer_ | The Fallout Wiki I think |
| 02:07.57 | Wormy_ | Monet: I didn't like the alien-human hybrids in Mothership Zeta |
| 02:08.45 | Monet | There was one Brotherhood knight who made himself master of what was left of Pittsburg. But he claimed it was out of necessity, promising that things would hopefully improve once peopel gained an immunity to the trog disease. |
| 02:08.58 | OluapPlayer_ | Might have been somewhere else, but I read they basically own the place now |
| 02:09.07 | AdmiralPanda | The East coast brotherhood had a period of leadership crisis because they had a series of poor quality Elders, but they never became feudal warlords |
| 02:10.41 | Monet | Theere might have been a power vacuum after the destruction of Raven Rock. |
| 02:10.46 | OluapPlayer_ | I've not played the game far enough to know, but from what I read, there are people in 4 attempting to humanize the synths because they're developing sapience or something like that |
| 02:10.51 | OluapPlayer_ | which's why the Brotherhood is opposed |
| 02:10.56 | AdmiralPanda | They do basically run the capital wasteland due largely to it being their largest centre of operations and one of the centres of their power in america |
| 02:10.59 | AdmiralPanda | that's not it at all |
| 02:11.30 | AdmiralPanda | they're opposed to the Synths because the aforementioned them being a weapon to be used against the Commonwealth and humanity as a whole |
| 02:11.53 | Monet | Remidns me of the Human Cylon issue. |
| 02:11.55 | OluapPlayer_ | Too many complications, we need a game where we play as a Deathclaw and just shred people for no specific reason |
| 02:12.00 | Monet | "They could be any one of us" |
| 02:12.20 | OluapPlayer_ | Aren't synths sapient though? |
| 02:12.26 | OluapPlayer_ | That Nick Valentine guy seems okay |
| 02:12.36 | Monet | probably an outlier. |
| 02:12.54 | Monet | Just because one is sapient doesn't guarentee that all are. |
| 02:12.58 | AdmiralPanda | in some respects they appear to be, Nick is a prototype, definitely an outlier |
| 02:13.08 | OluapPlayer_ | I see |
| 02:13.12 | OluapPlayer_ | I thought they were all at his level |
| 02:13.25 | Monet | And aren't there also malfunctioning synths scattered across the wasteland? |
| 02:13.37 | OluapPlayer_ | I think the conflict here is "if they're sapient, maybe they don't WANT to be weapons" |
| 02:13.59 | AdmiralPanda | thing is, at one point you follow the trail of an undercover synth -who doesn't know she's a synth- who every few nights sees static and the next thing she knows, she's murdered half a settlement |
| 02:14.06 | Monet | Sounds to me like the brotherhood is trying ot close a Pandaora's Box. |
| 02:14.15 | Wormy_ | stingray birth http://imgur.com/gallery/dCRMCuu |
| 02:14.16 | AdmiralPanda | doesn't matter what they want, the Institute has a switch in the back of their head that makes them do whatever htey want |
| 02:14.39 | OluapPlayer_ | The Institute seems like a really bad bunch |
| 02:14.49 | Monet | No better than West-Tek. |
| 02:14.51 | OluapPlayer_ | I know they're the ones who created the Colmmonwealth super mutants |
| 02:14.57 | AdmiralPanda | You want Nazis? You got Nazis. |
| 02:15.02 | OluapPlayer_ | Commonwealth even |
| 02:15.48 | AdmiralPanda | The Institute essentially wants to replace all life on earth with synthetic replicas so they can live in paradise |
| 02:16.02 | AdmiralPanda | among other things |
| 02:16.05 | Monet | Also bear in mind that the original Brotherhood were US military officials who awoke to find that America had been nuked. |
| 02:16.07 | OluapPlayer_ | Treating everyone like shit in the process by the looks of it |
| 02:16.10 | OluapPlayer_ | including their own synths |
| 02:16.18 | AdmiralPanda | eyup |
| 02:16.35 | Monet | So I guess to the Brotherhood, the Institute is essentially a reincarnation of West-Tek. |
| 02:16.44 | OluapPlayer_ | I get reminded of the Master from Fallout 1 by that description |
| 02:16.53 | AdmiralPanda | To the Brotherhood, the Institute is a threat to humanity, and that's what matters. |
| 02:17.16 | Monet | There are wo sides to every conflict. |
| 02:17.27 | Monet | two sides* |
| 02:18.12 | OluapPlayer_ | I also hear the Brotherhood mistreats ghouls. Is that true? |
| 02:18.13 | AdmiralPanda | there are lots of things I want to say that I won't because I don't want to spoil the discovery for Jo |
| 02:18.21 | AdmiralPanda | Feral. Feral ghouls. |
| 02:18.34 | OluapPlayer_ | I heard it's all ghouls who get mistreated |
| 02:18.51 | AdmiralPanda | Then you heard wrong |
| 02:18.57 | OluapPlayer_ | Right |
| 02:19.06 | Monet | The Institute are, yeah, essentially a bunch of popmpus intellectuals who feel the whole world would be better if all the 'stupid people' were done away with and replaced with obediant machines. |
| 02:19.19 | OluapPlayer_ | I was gonna say, it'd be dumb to call a ghoul a non-human, since they're literally humans with a nasty skin disease |
| 02:20.03 | OluapPlayer_ | It'd be like accusing Hachi of being inhuman for being a virgin |
| 02:20.04 | OluapPlayer_ | :v |
| 02:20.19 | Monet | Its basically a new kind of racism. |
| 02:20.27 | AdmiralPanda | Feral ghouls are a threat just as much as deathclaws or super mutants. Non-feral ghouls are the regrettable result of pre-war folly, but aside from their condition they aren't less than human |
| 02:21.04 | Monet | Even other ghouls will admit that ferals are pretty-mush animals. |
| 02:21.15 | Monet | pretty-much animals* |
| 02:21.34 | Technobliterator | I will play FO4 tomorrow |
| 02:21.47 | Technobliterator | and presumably go into Diamond City instead of screwing around not knowing wtf to do |
| 02:21.48 | Hachiman | Except for one glowing ghoul guy who wants you to spare feral ghouls because he thinks they can be tamed |
| 02:21.57 | OluapPlayer_ | Feral ghouls are okay to get rid of. I just don't like to see when there's racism against normal ghouls, which does happen through the games |
| 02:22.04 | OluapPlayer_ | Because you're literally hating a guy for being ugly |
| 02:22.15 | Monet | No new at all. |
| 02:22.21 | Monet | Not new at all. |
| 02:22.41 | Monet | Ghouls are the new black people. It's harsh but, well... |
| 02:22.51 | OluapPlayer_ | Biologic immortality and immunity to radiation, these people could make good allies |
| 02:22.52 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I just found out Jake from Vsauce3 has got cancer |
| 02:22.57 | AdmiralPanda | Techno: so what you're saying is you got to Diamond City and then screwed around instead of going in, and then stopped to wonder why you weren't progressing the main quest? |
| 02:23.05 | Hachiman | Wormy_: What the fuck ouch |
| 02:23.20 | Hachiman | Where did you find that info? |
| 02:23.38 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk6cjmZB_r3AVPMyAeJYBng |
| 02:23.43 | Wormy_ | Through the comment sections |
| 02:23.56 | Wormy_ | Actually he has had surgury to remove it on the video |
| 02:24.22 | Monet | ALso it depends on the Ghoul I guess. |
| 02:24.53 | Monet | There was that one Ghoul at Point Lookout who was a total ass and then sodded off when his mission at Point Lookout was done. |
| 02:25.14 | Monet | Classic "I've seen it all yu little shit!" kind of guy. |
| 02:25.24 | OluapPlayer_ | Yeah but he could be a normal human and still have the same attitude |
| 02:25.27 | AdmiralPanda | Ghoul raiders or gunners get shot in the face, but then again who wouldn't shoot a ghoul raider or gunner in the face |
| 02:25.45 | AdmiralPanda | for that matter who wouldn't shoot a raider or gunner in the face in general? |
| 02:26.15 | OluapPlayer_ | There are ghoul raiders in Fallout 4? |
| 02:26.19 | Monet | OluapPlayer_: I think he did. He mentions his condition was an experiment by (presumably) Her/his majesty's Secret Service. |
| 02:26.26 | AdmiralPanda | yep |
| 02:26.33 | OluapPlayer_ | That's new |
| 02:26.41 | OluapPlayer_ | Not a bad thing either. It adds variation |
| 02:27.56 | Monet | His, must have been. Elizabeth may have lived a long time but I have doubts even she could make it to 2077. |
| 02:28.24 | Monet | So Desmond was experimented on by his Majesty's Secret Service. |
| 02:28.40 | OluapPlayer_ | Elizabeth was a Zetan |
| 02:29.40 | Monet | Elizetabeth - Curses! The pinkmen found out! |
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| 02:34.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 02:34.58 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 02:34.59 | Monet | Hi |
| 02:56.36 | Wormy_ | Andrei the Giant https://twitter.com/tweetsauce/status/681166814089355268 |
| 02:56.47 | Wormy_ | *Andre |
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| 10:59.19 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 11:33.39 | Imperios | Hi |
| 11:33.42 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcnQue8ap_w |
| 11:37.57 | AdmiralPanda | *facepalm* |
| 11:38.17 | AdmiralPanda | do still love the fact that of everything they could have given that guy, they gave him a tonfa |
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| 11:55.12 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 12:50.46 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:57.56 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 13:03.17 | AdmiralPanda | I still find it rather funny that they've made a movie about the woman who invented the self-wringing mop |
| 13:04.07 | Monet | Personal interest stories are award bait. |
| 13:04.34 | Monet | human interest stories, rather |
| 13:05.46 | Monet | "Unfolding over four generations, this is a deeply emotional story of family, love and the tough world of commerce." |
| 13:06.02 | Monet | Hollywood likey very much. |
| 13:06.05 | AdmiralPanda | oh definitely, I still just find it funny that of all the great motivational tales out there they chose the creation of the self-wringing mop |
| 13:06.24 | AdmiralPanda | I'm sure it'll be a deeply moving experience, but it's about a mop |
| 13:08.51 | Monet | It might be because its a story about one of the things hsitory rarely talks about - a successful woman inventor. |
| 13:09.03 | Monet | And Marie Curie's been done recently I think. |
| 13:09.32 | AdmiralPanda | again, not claiming the story has no merit or anything, but it's a MOP |
| 13:09.41 | AdmiralPanda | it's a mop and I find that hilarious |
| 13:11.46 | Monet | There is humour behind that. |
| 13:15.02 | Monet | A pretty stronage product. |
| 13:15.33 | Monet | But then again the recent adaptation of War of the Worlds come across as a "reuniting the family" story. |
| 13:17.19 | Monet | One of the posters the two humans took up more poster space than anything else. |
| 13:18.19 | Monet | Hollywood's methods make me smile, but sometimes also make me cringe or raise my brow in curiosity. |
| 13:26.16 | Monet | Then again it might have been less silly now that said mop lady is a multi-milllionairess. |
| 13:26.33 | Monet | less silly ot the execs. |
| 13:28.02 | AdmiralPanda | oh agreed, but she's still a mop lady |
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| 13:33.18 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:33.31 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 13:34.45 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:34.58 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
| 13:38.14 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/Wr9pMKJ |
| 13:39.12 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/LxzawrB |
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| 14:06.42 | drom | Monet Imperios Vincent20100: This goddamn post https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/2tiagc/is_there_a_way_for_elf_corpses_to_give_my_dwarves/ |
| 14:24.50 | Wormy_ | "Freedom scared them" http://imgur.com/gallery/Wx4trbb |
| 14:41.49 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/aadi16n |
| 14:44.18 | TekDroid | Ugh, trying to sleep but a neighbour is playing their piano. |
| 14:45.32 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/v5fkm92.png |
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| 14:48.07 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 14:48.12 | OluapPlayer | hai |
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| 14:52.15 | dino82 | hello all |
| 14:52.21 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 14:52.54 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 14:53.08 | Xho | u |
| 14:53.13 | Hachiman | spoo |
| 14:54.43 | dino82 | :D |
| 14:54.46 | dino82 | How is allz donig |
| 14:55.47 | Hachiman | I'm dong alright |
| 14:55.50 | Hachiman | doing even |
| 14:56.09 | Xho | "I'm dong alright" -Hachiman, 2015 |
| 14:56.16 | OluapPlayer | It fits so well |
| 14:56.20 | dino82 | Great to hear : |
| 14:56.21 | dino82 | D |
| 14:57.30 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:58.33 | Hachiman | kek |
| 14:59.21 | Xho | I just remembered that Nalashtannylor's name was originally intended for a Tandava Xhodocto name |
| 14:59.30 | Xho | oh boy |
| 14:59.52 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - that one went the complete opposite way |
| 15:00.00 | Monet | Nalashtannylor - I r deemun god plz bow. |
| 15:00.18 | Xho | Well Nalashtannylor technically is a demon god |
| 15:00.46 | Xho | demon angel primordial demigod phoenix god |
| 15:00.53 | Hachiman | Nalashtransvetite |
| 15:01.00 | OluapPlayer | aka not-demon god |
| 15:01.16 | Monet | Satan used ot be an angel. |
| 15:01.21 | OluapPlayer | Nalashtannylor is as much of a demon as Mortium |
| 15:01.25 | OluapPlayer | ie he isn't one |
| 15:01.56 | Xho | Nalashtannylor - too feathery to be deemun |
| 15:02.10 | OluapPlayer | Caligaduro - thanksgiving part deux soon |
| 15:02.14 | Monet | In fact Satan used to be God's rigth-hand man. |
| 15:04.11 | Hachiman | I thought that was Michael |
| 15:04.17 | Hachiman | With Gabriel being his left-hand man |
| 15:04.33 | Hachiman | Also I gotta bbl because family wants to play boardgames |
| 15:04.40 | OluapPlayer | ffs |
| 15:04.42 | Hachiman | an i jus wanna fuccccccc |
| 15:04.43 | Xho | kek go dai of boredom |
| 15:04.54 | OluapPlayer | I was just gonna ask for Fog War |
| 15:05.24 | Monet | Kind-od says something about classical ethics when the result of the positon master of creation being challenged is for said challenger to be pounded and exiled |
| 15:05.41 | Xho | Well there's the archangels who are Michael, Gabriel and Raphael in Christanity |
| 15:05.47 | Xho | Quite a few more in other branches of it |
| 15:06.39 | Monet | Anyway I need to go as well |
| 15:07.15 | OluapPlayer | This kills the IRC |
| 15:08.13 | Xho | Hm what to do |
| 15:09.03 | OluapPlayer | moov Dragon Talker |
| 15:09.18 | Xho | Could do I guess |
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| 15:10.31 | Imperios | Did someone call for me |
| 15:10.35 | Xho | no dai |
| 15:11.00 | OluapPlayer | Not that I know of |
| 15:11.38 | Monet | On second thoughts I'll play observer for a bit |
| 15:13.07 | Monet | Lucifer iirc was a seraph |
| 15:14.35 | Monet | Which ranks him above the likes of Gabriel |
| 15:35.44 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/12391107_1249923015024224_960987729583677244_n.jpg?oh=2f5cdf035f952a7c156fe1c5bd238ac8&oe=56D4B690 |
| 15:36.34 | OluapPlayer | spengebab |
| 15:55.22 | Monet | Can confirm, Spongebob may have a job but apart from that holds zero responsibility |
| 15:58.24 | Monet | I thus feel sorry for Patrick |
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| 16:00.44 | OluapPlayer | Patrick is even more irresponsible than Spongebob and is often either convincing him to do retarded shit, treating him like shit, or both |
| 16:12.12 | Monet2 | Here I thought it was the other way around |
| 16:12.48 | Monet2 | I just thought him easily influenced |
| 16:13.13 | Technobliterator | well this game was absolujtely worth getting a 3DS for |
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| 16:13.28 | Technobliterator | just need to buy a pokemon game now |
| 16:14.01 | Imperios | Monet Xho: http://2ch.hk/po/src/12826544/14513186291430.webm Kylo Ren has joined the Islamic State |
| 16:14.22 | Xho | lel |
| 16:14.27 | Xho | Knights of Akbar |
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| 16:15.12 | Technobliterator | btw the 3D feature is weird and gimmicky |
| 16:16.00 | OluapPlayer | No one uses the 3D feature |
| 16:18.13 | Monet | Minecraft had a 3D feature |
| 16:28.59 | Xho | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Dragon_Speaker#The_Coasts go nuts |
| 16:29.22 | OluapPlayer | gud spu |
| 16:34.41 | OluapPlayer | "Purge it!" |
| 16:34.44 | OluapPlayer | Norrigan seal of approval |
| 16:35.15 | Xho | I generally think of Khaadun as the product of Norrigan without a moral compass |
| 16:36.33 | OluapPlayer | They seem fairly alike |
| 16:36.55 | Xho | Well they're both crazy followers of a god so they probably have similar ideals |
| 16:37.01 | drom | Xho Imperios: Since I had no ranged weaponry than objects to throw, I tried throwing the corpse of an owl I slaughtered the other day. That ending up in failure, I decided to throw the meat from an other bird I also slaughtered. On a duck who was flying 15+ meters overhead me. http://i.imgur.com/CeKfGuv.png |
| 16:37.01 | OluapPlayer | Superhuman strength, purge to purge in the name of a god, both related to ghosts |
| 16:37.10 | OluapPlayer | urge to purge* |
| 16:37.30 | OluapPlayer | Khaadun has ghosts in his armor, Norrigan is an armored ghost |
| 16:37.37 | Xho | The main difference is that Khaadun isn't really a good guy |
| 16:37.45 | OluapPlayer | Norrigan - get gud |
| 16:37.59 | Xho | Well he serves Nalashtannylor but he's not above murdering and stealing to achieve his goals |
| 16:38.17 | OluapPlayer | Just like all the other good guys hur |
| 16:38.23 | Xho | Mainly because Khaadun has absolutely no knowledge of how society works |
| 16:38.49 | OluapPlayer | dats chaotic good |
| 16:38.50 | Xho | Drom: I thought you were talking about real life for a sec, was worried |
| 16:39.04 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 16:39.18 | Xho | Well the page lists him as chaotic neutral |
| 16:40.17 | Xho | Not sure whether it's possible to be a good guy and serve a Simulacrum |
| 16:40.38 | OluapPlayer | Simulacrum are not universally evil so yes, it is |
| 16:40.46 | Xho | dam u |
| 16:40.50 | Xho | Fair enough |
| 16:41.09 | Xho | Not sure about Mhor though |
| 16:41.16 | Xho | He's either Lawful Good or Neutral Good |
| 16:41.24 | OluapPlayer | Beary Good |
| 16:41.33 | Xho | The page lists him as Neutral Good |
| 16:42.35 | Xho | As a bounty hunter and mercenary he's not exactly order-driven |
| 16:42.53 | OluapPlayer | Neutral Good fits well enough |
| 16:43.18 | Xho | That being said Khaadun does murder people so I dunno whether he can be considered good |
| 16:43.58 | OluapPlayer | Depends of his reasons |
| 16:44.21 | Xho | Serving his interests of maintaining order mostly |
| 16:44.35 | Xho | If civilians or guards get in his way he is not afraid to use force |
| 16:45.05 | OluapPlayer | I guess it depends of whether his intentions are good-intentioned or not |
| 16:45.19 | Xho | Khaadun isn't really one for morality |
| 16:45.23 | OluapPlayer | The Sea Witch is good but she's also a jerk who always goes "gas the dark elves" |
| 16:46.09 | Xho | I wouldn't say Khaadun falls into black/white morality |
| 16:46.36 | Xho | Most of the stuff he does is in the service of a god and to him that disregards good and evil |
| 16:47.01 | OluapPlayer | I don't imagine Norrigan harming civilians or guards deliberately. Other than occasionally trampling over them to reach his destination |
| 16:47.21 | Xho | Norrigan - ONWARD |
| 16:47.41 | Xho | I see Norrigan as an exaggerated fantasy knight stereotype |
| 16:47.51 | OluapPlayer | That's pretty much what he is |
| 16:48.02 | OluapPlayer | He fancies himself a hero |
| 16:48.27 | Xho | I suppose with Khaadun if it wasn't for the fact he served a god he could be seen as Chaotic Evil rather easily |
| 16:48.28 | OluapPlayer | 99% of the time he is a hero so yeah hur |
| 16:49.10 | OluapPlayer | Sea Witch - cant trust humans ever |
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| 16:50.11 | Imperios | Speaking of alignments would you classify ISIS as Chaotic Evil or Lawful Evil |
| 16:50.12 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 16:50.21 | Xho | Chaotic Evil personally |
| 16:50.42 | OluapPlayer | They want to destroy, not dominate |
| 16:50.47 | OluapPlayer | I'd call them Chaotic |
| 16:51.09 | Xho | They say they do it in the service of Allah but is there any part of their texts that tells them to go genocide on the human population |
| 16:51.40 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: They want to dominate, they want to recreate the original Medieval Islamic Caliphate |
| 16:51.40 | Xho | That's a question because I don't know the Qur'an |
| 16:51.43 | Imperios | You know Alladin-style |
| 16:51.59 | OluapPlayer | I thought their goal was to bring in the end of the world |
| 16:52.03 | Imperios | That too |
| 16:52.16 | Imperios | But they are trying to recreate the Caliphate in the process |
| 16:53.09 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of sandy terrorists |
| 16:53.25 | OluapPlayer | Now that you're done with the Empire of Man paeg, finish the Alhassal one next |
| 16:53.36 | Imperios | Either them or Klaxxa |
| 16:53.39 | Imperios | Not sure which |
| 16:54.05 | OluapPlayer | You said you were struggling with the Klaxxa. You could work on Alhassal first while you get ideas for them |
| 16:54.54 | Imperios | I have some good ideas for their society, but not their history |
| 16:55.10 | Imperios | They're supposed to be fairly old but I have no idea what happened to them over all this time |
| 16:55.14 | OluapPlayer | they made zeppelins and sold drugs across the world |
| 16:55.37 | OluapPlayer | Are the Klaxxa aware they're living right on top of the Cobalt Kingdom? |
| 16:55.59 | Imperios | Nope |
| 16:56.09 | OluapPlayer | Right thought so |
| 16:56.35 | drom | OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/nE1g0x4.png |
| 16:57.00 | OluapPlayer | Well I'm not sure what to suggest other than the typical trade deals with the Merovar and shooing the Lympharians out of the region |
| 16:57.30 | OluapPlayer | spengbab |
| 16:58.15 | OluapPlayer | This is one of the reasons I'm refraining from making things too old lately. Too much time and not enough content for it |
| 16:59.49 | Imperios | The Freelanders at least have the excuse for being a fairly backwards and insular people |
| 16:59.56 | OluapPlayer | Which reminds me. Are we still going to have some Fire Drakes living with the Klaxxa? |
| 17:00.04 | OluapPlayer | I need to know if Dyniroth is still canon or not |
| 17:00.50 | Imperios | That's still canon |
| 17:00.58 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 17:01.07 | OluapPlayer | So we still have a giant dragon with a bowtie |
| 17:01.16 | Imperios | I decided that all Klaxxa nobles have at one point or another mixed with True Kelodhros and are basically separated by element |
| 17:01.38 | Imperios | The largest/most powerful courts would be Fire, Earth, Sand, Water and Wood |
| 17:02.05 | OluapPlayer | I take Lekren is part of the Fire court then |
| 17:02.10 | OluapPlayer | Since Dyniroth is his grandfather |
| 17:06.06 | Imperios | Yep |
| 17:06.10 | drom | The slaughter continues... http://i.imgur.com/gApizwD.png |
| 17:06.53 | Imperios | Earth would be clerics and miners, Sand would be blacksmiths and warriors with a Japanese-ish aesthetic |
| 17:07.01 | Imperios | Wood would be the more outdoorsy types |
| 17:07.05 | Imperios | Not sure about Fire and Water yet |
| 17:07.54 | OluapPlayer | Maybe have Fire be alchemists? |
| 17:08.45 | Imperios | Alchemists would come from different courts |
| 17:09.06 | OluapPlayer | Not sure then |
| 17:10.58 | OluapPlayer | Also if they have a Sand court, does that mean there should be Sand Drakes in there? |
| 17:11.13 | Imperios | Though them having a big presence in the Alchemist's Union is a possibility |
| 17:11.38 | Imperios | Yeah could be, though perhaps they mixed with them long ago and are now just perpetuating these genes |
| 17:11.52 | OluapPlayer | That works |
| 17:12.57 | OluapPlayer | I don't see Sand Drakes living outside of the Sea of Sand, so they're probably a minority |
| 17:13.02 | OluapPlayer | Granted the less you have, the more valuable they get |
| 17:13.37 | Xho | very mucho dinero for sand drake tusko |
| 17:13.53 | drom | OluapPlayer: Guess what? The giant sponge I meet lately has gotten out of the river somehow. |
| 17:13.57 | OluapPlayer | Sand Drake - muh hoard |
| 17:15.09 | drom | OluapPlayer: Good thing I'm on the other side of the river http://i.imgur.com/OgQDl3X.png |
| 17:15.26 | Xho | LOL WHAT AM I LOOKING AT |
| 17:15.53 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Sand Drake with a Klaxxa Matriarch harem |
| 17:16.02 | Wormy_ | Xho, Imperios, Hachiman: If Twitter was real life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtL5bOK8EAI |
| 17:16.11 | OluapPlayer | Sand Drake - NOICE they have 4 legs but NOICE |
| 17:16.16 | Wormy_ | or tumblr |
| 17:17.19 | drom | Xho: Dwarf Fortress, playing in Adventure mode. |
| 17:17.21 | OluapPlayer | By the way, at some point you ought to make pages for Korddraigen and Arddraigr |
| 17:17.34 | Xho | Coming 2021 |
| 17:17.40 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:22.31 | drom | Technobliterator Wormy_ Ghelae: http://i.imgur.com/vkGfO5Q.png |
| 17:23.08 | drom | Ghelae Wormy_: http://cs629524.vk.me/v629524461/3cef5/oQ0xVkAU5XI.jpg |
| 17:24.11 | Ghelae | Minimalist. |
| 17:24.37 | Ghelae | Could have at least painted the digits green though. |
| 17:25.09 | Wormy_ | Green is not a creative colour. |
| 17:26.05 | Xho | dat just green-ist |
| 17:26.58 | Ghelae | No, but it's Christmassy. |
| 17:33.45 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://pre13.deviantart.net/bc1d/th/pre/f/2015/359/f/5/f52c2f308509186ae1b03424c855bb2d-d9leotk.png Nightmares forever |
| 17:35.17 | Xho | why |
| 17:37.11 | OluapPlayer | https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/5704795_something-awful-has-happened-to-vault-boy_6715dd98_m.jpg?bg=6B7161 FALL OUT BOY |
| 17:38.31 | Wormy_ | He needs Gran's moisturiser. |
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| 17:44.31 | OluapPlayer_ | For fuck's sake |
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| 18:08.50 | GD12 | Hey y'all |
| 18:09.00 | GD12 | just waiting for an amazon order for my old pc charger |
| 18:09.05 | GD12 | so i can extract some ad documents |
| 18:09.08 | GD12 | then i continue lol |
| 18:09.10 | GD12 | can |
| 18:11.27 | GD12 | slaps infobot around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 18:13.13 | OluapPlayer_ | Hello |
| 18:13.25 | Vincent20100 | test |
| 18:19.14 | TekDroid | Hello GD12 |
| 18:29.36 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_ HachiAway: http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/4442643 Join in |
| 18:29.45 | Imperios | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/44426493 Wait no this |
| 18:30.40 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't know much about hive cities |
| 18:43.59 | OluapPlayer_ | So boring right now |
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| 18:53.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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| 18:59.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 19:04.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hi! |
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| 19:17.24 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:17.56 | Charles_Murray | Hey! |
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| 19:42.02 | Imperios | Xho: http://2ch.hk/po/src/12830100/14513282161401.jpg |
| 19:42.26 | Imperios | The Russian text is "the prices are European, as you wished" |
| 19:43.06 | Xho | Steam dwellers |
| 19:44.49 | Xho | Super duper bored |
| 19:45.34 | Monet | I have now seen Star Wars |
| 19:46.39 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 19:48.20 | Monet | In terms of narrative it was exciting. A good watch. |
| 19:49.24 | Wormy_ | Agreed |
| 19:49.46 | Monet | were it not a space fantasy story I'd have a couple of logic issues |
| 19:50.17 | Wormy_ | Despite my feelings about Legends, I'm quite interested in learning the new canon being established |
| 19:51.05 | Wormy_ | Browsing the new canon, there is no indication the Empire/First Order lost Coruscant, as the Republic have a new capital. |
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| 19:53.04 | Technobliterator | Legends sucked anyways |
| 19:53.10 | Technobliterator | very inconsistent in quality |
| 19:53.25 | Xho | Your mother sucked |
| 19:53.28 | Xho | Me off that is |
| 19:53.32 | Xho | Sorry I'm really bored atm |
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| 19:53.49 | Wormy_ | Too much hate on this channel. |
| 19:53.54 | OluapPlayer_ | Really boring afternoon |
| 19:54.01 | OluapPlayer_ | Hate is what fuels mankind |
| 19:54.14 | Xho | And money |
| 19:54.16 | Xho | And coffee |
| 19:55.42 | Wormy_ | Not enough chill |
| 19:58.45 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/1935457_2525097404212162_3512499980275956105_n.jpg?oh=42de57cc29ca2a3bd05a317d7567c3d4&oe=5711FCE6 |
| 19:59.22 | The_Randomness | lurks |
| 19:59.34 | OluapPlayer_ | shoo |
| 19:59.58 | The_Randomness | no |
| 20:03.58 | Xho | Has any of us got any games in common so we could play multiplayer |
| 20:04.17 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't think so |
| 20:04.37 | Monet_2 | Lemme check |
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| 20:07.27 | OluapPlayer | Motherfucker |
| 20:10.35 | Monet_2 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Infinite_Imperium been working on some Legacy stuff lately. |
| 20:10.57 | The_Randomness | mmm blueberry bagels |
| 20:11.03 | The_Randomness | I think most of us have Minecraft |
| 20:11.10 | The_Randomness | I believe a lot of us have Civ V as well |
| 20:11.10 | Wormy_ | bbl need to make dinner |
| 20:12.01 | Xho | If the Minecraft server is still running I might go on it |
| 20:12.06 | Imperios | We've already tried Minecraft |
| 20:12.06 | Monet_2 | It is |
| 20:12.09 | Imperios | What about Civ V though |
| 20:12.14 | Monet_2 | It should be |
| 20:15.17 | OluapPlayer | I'd not play a competitive game against other wiki users |
| 20:15.23 | OluapPlayer | That'll just make people salty at each other |
| 20:16.29 | Monet_2 | I've doen it before. |
| 20:16.44 | Monet_2 | Panda and I were still on good terms. |
| 20:17.06 | DrodoEmpire | Most here are mature enough to not be at one anothers' throats over a game, I'm sure. :p |
| 20:17.50 | OluapPlayer | You'd be surprised |
| 20:18.13 | DrodoEmpire | Sad to hear. |
| 20:18.39 | The_Randomness | I personally haven't heard any drama associated with "competitive" games here. |
| 20:19.11 | OluapPlayer | I'm more assuming than claiming it has happened |
| 20:19.21 | The_Randomness | I don't consider Civ V to be a particularly competitive game, but then again I'm a fkn casul when it comes to that game |
| 20:20.03 | OluapPlayer | It's a game where all players compete against each other |
| 20:20.16 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds like a bad assumption honestly, I'd sooner assume people here are good natured enough not to get worked up over something like that |
| 20:20.38 | OluapPlayer | I don't assume good faith most of the time |
| 20:20.50 | Monet_2 | Things could get heated if we played a shooter. |
| 20:21.15 | The_Randomness | I would expect some good-natured bm more than anything else if we played against each other in a FPS game |
| 20:21.23 | DrodoEmpire | Agreed |
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| 20:21.42 | Monet_2 | Plus in Civ V you can form alliances mid-game |
| 20:21.43 | OluapPlayer | I wouldn't |
| 20:22.01 | Charles_Murray | I'd be up for Civ5 |
| 20:22.17 | Xho | Oh god Civ |
| 20:22.18 | DrodoEmpire | Well... Fine, then Oluap. You be you. :p If people want to do their thing though I might join in |
| 20:22.25 | Xho | I'd play it but I'd be utterly terrible at it |
| 20:22.28 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:22.35 | Xho | I am not a strategic character |
| 20:22.41 | OluapPlayer | I don't have Civ5 |
| 20:22.44 | OluapPlayer | Original at least |
| 20:22.45 | DrodoEmpire | I'm alright at EUIV though |
| 20:22.49 | Xho | Impulse is my strong suit |
| 20:23.04 | Charles_Murray | Let me know what game you guys pick? I'd be up for anything |
| 20:23.08 | Monet_2 | xho: You can join, you could be someone's ally. |
| 20:23.37 | DrodoEmpire | If anybody wants to play EUIV at some point I'd be up to that |
| 20:23.49 | Charles_Murray | pls no simultaneous turns |
| 20:23.58 | Charles_Murray | It's the most painful thing when you need to go to war. |
| 20:24.09 | DrodoEmpire | ohgod that's a thing? |
| 20:24.12 | The_Randomness | I don't have EUIV |
| 20:24.18 | DrodoEmpire | I never played MP civ V >.< |
| 20:24.23 | TekDroid | I'd play but I don't have my cooling fan. |
| 20:24.29 | The_Randomness | rip |
| 20:24.46 | OluapPlayer | I don't know how to war in any Civ game |
| 20:24.55 | OluapPlayer | When I play against the AI I never wage war with anyone |
| 20:24.55 | Xho | You basically click, click again and lose |
| 20:25.11 | Charles_Murray | Not really D: |
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| 20:25.23 | OluapPlayer | Which is another one of my worries, inexperienced people vs much more experienced ones |
| 20:25.31 | DrodoEmpire | Oluap: Keep units close, archers at the rear, arty at the rear...er |
| 20:25.35 | TekDroid | I suck at Civ on higher difficulties because I'm never aggressive enough. |
| 20:25.35 | Monet_2 | Perhaps the veterens could advice the new players? |
| 20:25.40 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:25.57 | DrodoEmpire | This is where assuming the worst of people is bad. :p |
| 20:26.07 | Imperios | The_Randomness: Try Deity |
| 20:26.16 | The_Randomness | hm? |
| 20:26.17 | Imperios | The you'll eat your words |
| 20:26.21 | Imperios | *Then |
| 20:26.26 | Imperios | Deity as in the Deity difficulty level |
| 20:26.30 | The_Randomness | o |
| 20:26.41 | The_Randomness | I never said anything about difficulty |
| 20:27.10 | Charles_Murray | Best way might be to have a balance of power rule: People need to mind the balance of power and switch sides if one side gets too powerful. It's to the general advantage and to the advantage of the individual, because it allows us to check people who are having the upper hand while preserving our own security. |
| 20:27.24 | Charles_Murray | But we could also slot inexperienced players with experienced players. |
| 20:27.27 | DrodoEmpire | Interesting |
| 20:27.43 | Charles_Murray | I know I'll be switching sides in order to make sure that one player doesn't get too powerful. |
| 20:28.46 | DrodoEmpire | I'd play Civ but I don't have it installed right now, and I can't really reinstall it anytime today |
| 20:29.13 | The_Randomness | We can start whenever, doesn't matter to me |
| 20:29.28 | The_Randomness | I'm Inquisitribble on Steam by the way |
| 20:30.12 | Charles_Murray | I can host in about an hour if you guys like |
| 20:30.15 | Charles_Murray | Need to get lunch first |
| 20:30.30 | Monet_2 | Cool |
| 20:30.46 | Charles_Murray | Send me your Steam names |
| 20:30.49 | Xho | I'll just...do something then |
| 20:30.56 | Xho | Steam name is Xho |
| 20:30.58 | Charles_Murray | Mine is Charles_Murray, but there are about 500 of those |
| 20:31.04 | OluapPlayer | I'll keep out since I have no multiplayer games |
| 20:31.09 | Xho | oluap is a sad |
| 20:31.14 | Xho | But TF2 tho |
| 20:31.35 | OluapPlayer | I don't play TF2 outside of the freakshow wiki group |
| 20:31.36 | Charles_Murray | Oluap : most of us don't |
| 20:31.46 | Xho | And that's exceedingly rare in itself |
| 20:31.51 | Xho | ur terribru |
| 20:33.54 | Charles_Murray | brb in about an hour |
| 20:34.00 | Imperios | So basically we need to gang up on people who're winning |
| 20:34.03 | Imperios | That's actually fairly logical |
| 20:35.46 | Monet_2 | Things might get interesting. |
| 20:36.09 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Well, Imperios |
| 20:36.36 | Imperios | Imperios |
| 20:48.23 | drom | Monet_2 Charles_Murray: Out of all things... http://i.imgur.com/akHZinB.png |
| 20:48.45 | Monet_2 | Nasty |
| 21:06.47 | Xho_Away | Charles_Murray: Couldn't you just post your Steam profile here so we can add you |
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| 21:15.05 | Charles_Murray | Back |
| 21:15.58 | Charles_Murray | TekDroid ImpyDroid DrodoEmpire TekDroid drom Monet_2 I can host now |
| 21:16.07 | TekDroid | Busy |
| 21:16.12 | ImpyDroid | Too late toda |
| 21:16.32 | Charles_Murray | How many takers do we still have? |
| 21:16.46 | The_Randomness | I'm available |
| 21:16.50 | Monet_2 | Let me finish something and I'll be ready. |
| 21:17.11 | Charles_Murray | The_Randomness : What's your steam? |
| 21:17.19 | The_Randomness | Inquisitribble |
| 21:17.56 | Xho | Eh might as well kill myself in this game |
| 21:18.11 | Charles_Murray | Got it |
| 21:19.01 | Monet_2 | Launching now |
| 21:19.06 | Charles_Murray | Charles_Murray |
| 21:19.22 | Xho | Charles_Murray: WHICH ONE ARE YU |
| 21:19.25 | Charles_Murray | Xho_Away : There are tons of people with the same name as me, so that's a bit complicated |
| 21:19.26 | Charles_Murray | Exact |
| 21:19.27 | Charles_Murray | ly |
| 21:19.34 | The_Randomness | Starting up the thing now |
| 21:19.38 | Charles_Murray | The one with the bird as the profile picture |
| 21:19.49 | Xho | THERE IS NO BIRD |
| 21:21.00 | Charles_Murray | Oh |
| 21:21.01 | Charles_Murray | Wait |
| 21:21.05 | Charles_Murray | *facedesk* |
| 21:21.06 | Charles_Murray | I'm so sorry |
| 21:21.13 | Charles_Murray | My steam name is Nietzche. |
| 21:21.36 | The_Randomness | Is there a windowed mode option for this game? |
| 21:21.42 | Charles_Murray | There should be! |
| 21:21.47 | The_Randomness | Well |
| 21:21.59 | The_Randomness | I guess there is, but I can't resize the window |
| 21:22.26 | The_Randomness | w/e, I can do fullscreen |
| 21:22.48 | The_Randomness | Ok, invite me whenever |
| 21:23.00 | drom | Charles_Murray: What game? |
| 21:23.03 | Charles_Murray | The_Randomness: Accept friend request from Nietzche? |
| 21:23.07 | Charles_Murray | drom : Civ5 |
| 21:23.11 | drom | Yey |
| 21:23.12 | The_Randomness | o woops |
| 21:23.20 | The_Randomness | done |
| 21:23.29 | drom | Coming soon, just finishing my second encounter with bogeymen |
| 21:26.23 | drom | "12804 files failed to be validated" FUCK OFF |
| 21:27.02 | Monet_2 | drom: is that a "yes soon" or a "no"? |
| 21:27.50 | drom | I say: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa |
| 21:29.50 | drom | I've however Civ:BERT installed if anything |
| 21:30.17 | Charles_Murray | drom : Should we start the game, or is there a chance that you'll get it working? |
| 21:31.02 | drom | There is a chance I've it already installed on an older computer |
| 21:31.40 | drom | Ya all can prepare the game as I try to retrieve the installation from the old machine |
| 21:31.58 | Charles_Murray | Game is prepared, we're in the lobby |
| 21:32.21 | Monet_2 | We're just waiting for extra players |
| 21:32.23 | Charles_Murray | OluapPlayer : We started up that game if you'd like to join |
| 21:32.29 | drom | Alright, if ya all are really impatient, you can start the game already, just leave a slot filled with an AI. |
| 21:32.35 | OluapPlayer | I already said I don't own Civ 5 |
| 21:32.40 | Charles_Murray | Alright, sorry |
| 21:32.42 | Charles_Murray | Missed that |
| 21:37.15 | drom | I found an instance of Civ5 on the old computer, off to retrieve it now |
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| 21:43.38 | GD12 | sup |
| 21:43.44 | GD12 | ngh just one more day till the charger arrives |
| 21:43.53 | GD12 | then i can port all of my old laptops AD stuff to this one |
| 21:43.56 | GD12 | then i can continue |
| 21:44.59 | Wormy_ | GD12: Seen Star Wars yet? |
| 21:45.03 | Wormy_ | and hi |
| 21:45.14 | GD12 | aye |
| 21:45.14 | GD12 | 2 times |
| 21:45.20 | GD12 | twas great |
| 21:45.25 | Wormy_ | wow |
| 21:45.35 | GD12 | wait i thought we're not supposed to talk about it |
| 21:45.37 | GD12 | chat says |
| 21:45.42 | GD12 | NO SW Episode VII spoilers |
| 21:45.43 | Wormy_ | The Star Killer is like something from SporeWikiverse |
| 21:45.47 | OluapPlayer | You can talk about it |
| 21:45.49 | Wormy_ | Nah, only plot details |
| 21:45.54 | OluapPlayer | You just can't spoil the plot |
| 21:45.56 | GD12 | yeah starkiller was great |
| 21:46.04 | GD12 | such a step above the death star |
| 21:46.29 | GD12 | Starkiller base is kinda like DCP's hyperspace stars |
| 21:47.00 | Wormy_ | I found it was like the Galaxy Gun, Death Stars and Star Forge all in one |
| 21:47.27 | GD12 | aye |
| 21:47.31 | GD12 | one thing i didn't understand tho |
| 21:47.35 | GD12 | it has to eat a star to fire |
| 21:47.40 | GD12 | where does it get the second star |
| 21:47.43 | GD12 | or the first even |
| 21:47.57 | GD12 | interstellar vampire incoming |
| 21:47.57 | Wormy_ | Must have already ravaged a system |
| 21:48.22 | Wormy_ | I like it's terror factor, I think something that needs stars just to charge is more frightening to the galaxy |
| 21:49.28 | Monet_2 | Seems a bit inefficient. |
| 21:49.43 | GD12 | aye but i was wondering where the stars come from |
| 21:49.43 | Monet_2 | But it sounds like new-canon Star Wars might nto have hypermatter |
| 21:49.46 | GD12 | given that during the second firing |
| 21:49.51 | GD12 | there was still sun |
| 21:50.15 | GD12 | actually i'll stop now because i think i'm dangerously close to giving spoilers |
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| 21:51.39 | Wormy_ | Monet_2: Quick check on Star Wars wiki reveals hypermatter is still canon |
| 21:51.52 | Wormy_ | It's been referenced in a couple of canon sources |
| 21:52.28 | Wormy_ | Perhaps it uses hypermatter to funnel a wormhole from a star's core or something |
| 21:53.02 | GD12 | aye |
| 21:53.15 | GD12 | seems weird then that they'd use their own star for the second firing |
| 21:53.25 | GD12 | though i guess it did make for good atmosphere |
| 21:53.26 | GD12 | actually |
| 21:53.33 | GD12 | zips up his mouth |
| 21:56.09 | Wormy_ | I can't wait to see new Star Wars tech anyway |
| 21:56.20 | GD12 | aye |
| 21:56.26 | Wormy_ | in books and graphic novels and stuff |
| 21:56.26 | GD12 | The First Order certainly has some very cool shit |
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| 21:57.23 | GD12_ | dumternet is dum |
| 22:15.38 | drom | TekDroid Charles_Murray Xho DrodoEmpire Monet_2: 17 more minutes before the transfer finishes. |
| 22:15.55 | TekDroid | Still can't play today |
| 22:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 22:32.45 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 22:34.03 | GD12_ | passed |
| 22:40.23 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 22:41.04 | GD12_ | ohai |
| 22:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 22:46.38 | Wormy_ | It's time for me to come out. |
| 22:46.46 | Wormy_ | I think I am humankin. |
| 22:46.59 | OluapPlayer | of the closet |
| 22:47.56 | DrodoEmpire | gasps |
| 22:47.59 | DrodoEmpire | :O |
| 22:48.26 | Wormy_ | I just feel that way, can't explain it. |
| 22:48.50 | DrodoEmpire | You've been on that tumblr site again, haven't you!? |
| 22:49.38 | Wormy_ | They are far too privileged and neurotypical. |
| 22:50.55 | DrodoEmpire | I am!? Well... Well... |
| 22:54.14 | DrodoEmpire | Damnit! My logic and reason is no match for your ad hominem! |
| 22:56.05 | Wormy_ | Oh, I didn't direct it at you. But Tumblr |
| 22:56.21 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yes, that's true |
| 22:56.39 | DrodoEmpire | Still, if even *they* are too mainstream for you, then something must be wrong! D: |
| 22:57.31 | Wormy_ | You know, I might have insectoid mouth parts, and 6 fingers, but I just know my spirit has 10 fingers and hair |
| 23:08.18 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 23:08.49 | Wormy_ | In all seriousness I had childhood depression and went through a phase of escapism by pretending to be a white wolf. Fortunately I received help for it as my hands began to callous over from walking on all fours and howling on the school wall. |
| 23:10.45 | Wormy_ | Then again I was about 7-8 and nobody knew I was autistic yet, and was bullied constantly by other kids and even the teachers |
| 23:11.05 | DrodoEmpire | Ah... |
| 23:11.36 | Wormy_ | I still get howled at to this day in my own town |
| 23:11.46 | Wormy_ | by people who remember lol |
| 23:12.09 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear lol |
| 23:14.49 | Wormy_ | Actually my most embarrassing experience was fainting on a memorial day for WWI, ruining the ceremony. Several old people who were medics in WW2 or the Korean war or whatever ran over to aid me |
| 23:15.04 | Wormy_ | I didn't dare look in the local papers for ages after it happened |
| 23:15.23 | DrodoEmpire | Oh ouch... |
| 23:15.42 | Wormy_ | I was low on energy, and also the feelings were strong. And I found myself collapsing |
| 23:16.01 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's one reason why I don't like ceremonies; Terrified I or somebody else'll mess it up |
| 23:17.24 | Wormy_ | I wonder what they thought of kids these days |
| 23:17.42 | DrodoEmpire | HOw do you mean? |
| 23:18.34 | Wormy_ | Well, they might have seen people not much older than me at the time enlisted for war, while I fainted at the ceremony |
| 23:18.54 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh that's what you meant |
| 23:19.13 | DrodoEmpire | I've wondered a bit as well... Not sure really |
| 23:19.17 | Wormy_ | I hadn't had breakfast that day as I was in a big rush. Big mistake |
| 23:19.52 | DrodoEmpire | Try not to be ashamed or any of that bullshit anyhow. Different times different contexts. |
| 23:20.04 | DrodoEmpire | That said there are some criticisms I have of the current generation |
| 23:20.05 | Wormy_ | I agree |
| 23:23.54 | Wormy_ | Escapism isn't a bad thing in my opinion. But if it's effecting someone's life in a detrimental way, or being caused by something harmful, people should help them. |
| 23:24.02 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:24.16 | DrodoEmpire | MOderation |
| 23:24.23 | DrodoEmpire | Speaking of escapism |
| 23:24.26 | DrodoEmpire | I should try salvaging my last save on EUIV |
| 23:24.52 | DrodoEmpire | Had like 100K rebels rise up in my country; I had 30K in my army |
| 23:24.53 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:25.18 | Wormy_ | I feel like escaping to fiction and editing some new additions to the tier scale tonight |
| 23:25.26 | DrodoEUIV | Okay cool |
| 23:26.37 | DrodoEUIV | Sucks too because probably half of the rebels were pretenders to the throne, and they're the most organized and hardest to fight |
| 23:28.38 | Wormy_ | Sounds like a challenge |
| 23:28.45 | TekDroid | Finished rewriting this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Farengeto_Trade_Coalition#Structure |
| 23:29.40 | TekDroid | The diagram itself needs to be updated though |
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| 23:36.22 | DrodoEUIV | Wormy: ohh ywH |
| 23:36.24 | DrodoEUIV | *yeah |
| 23:39.45 | DrodoEUIV | Oh my god I might win this |
| 23:39.48 | DrodoEUIV | What the fuck |
| 23:39.50 | DrodoEUIV | XD |
| 23:40.13 | DrodoEUIV | Got the pretenders down to their last army, and I got better tech than them too |
| 23:40.34 | DrodoEUIV | And I have both terrain and a slight numerical advantage |
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