| 00:00.12 | Xho | ALRIGHT I'M 21 YEARS OLD, FUCK YOU ALL |
| 00:02.12 | Monet | 23 here you whippersnapper. |
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| 00:02.50 | Xho | IT'S MY BIRTHDAY GO TO HELL |
| 00:02.54 | Xho | PLS |
| 00:04.23 | Monet | Well look on the bright side |
| 00:04.34 | Monet | You're old enough to drink in America. |
| 00:04.42 | Xho | This is true |
| 00:06.34 | Hachiman | Happy birthday |
| 00:06.39 | Hachiman | I gotta sleep hur |
| 00:10.07 | TekDroid | I'm 19. I'm one of them damn youths. |
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| 00:15.48 | TekDroid | So tomorrow I get to go get my genetics tested. |
| 00:18.16 | TekDroid | Be slightly more cool if it wasn't to check for a potential deadly gene, but oh well. |
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| 00:26.01 | Monet | Not sure if I ever experienced that though I'm told that my maternal side ahs a history of heart problems |
| 00:26.12 | Monet | Then again those that did have hart problems were also smokers. |
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| 00:33.13 | TekDroid | My mom had heart problems a few years ago apparently related to a gene, and my sister had heart problems since she was born. |
| 00:36.31 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.04 | Wormy_ | Though I think it takes two carriers and it won't always make a match |
| 00:38.15 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.26 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.49 | TekDroid | It's 50/50 for the gene. Hopefully I got my dad's gene there. It's apparently from my grandfather who's never had any problems though. |
| 00:44.53 | Wormy_ | There is diabetes in my family, and indeed thyroid and vitamin b12 defiviency, but I don't know if they are consequences of lifestyle or genetic. Although also not uncommon diseases |
| 00:45.05 | Wormy_ | one thing that's spurred me on to do running lately |
| 00:45.29 | Wormy_ | *they are also |
| 00:47.24 | Technobliterator | happy birthday, Xho :o |
| 00:47.48 | Xho | yuy |
| 00:48.06 | Cyrannian | Aye, happy burfday |
| 00:49.16 | Wormy_ | Happy bathday |
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| 00:50.09 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:50.09 | dinoman9877 | Hello peoples. |
| 00:50.20 | dinoman9877 | How is everyone today? |
| 01:07.29 | dinoman9877 | Well then. |
| 01:07.34 | dinoman9877 | I guess that speaks volumes. |
| 01:07.56 | Wormy_ | You've missed the hours of activity |
| 01:10.42 | dinoman9877 | I always do. |
| 01:10.51 | dinoman9877 | This is what I get for playing The Isle with friends. |
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| 01:56.34 | The_Kaernk | So...which is more hardcore; Earth bees or Space bees? |
| 02:03.50 | Wormy_ | bye |
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| 09:55.09 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 09:55.50 | AdmiralPanda | TekDroid: so I laid out a skeleton for a new refinery network, set up automated welders to build it for me and left the assemblers to do their thing, thirty minutes later my power consumption blows through the roof |
| 09:56.17 | AdmiralPanda | currently planning on nearly quadrupling my current power generation capacity to make sure I can charge my batteries while the sun is shining |
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| 10:27.35 | OluapPlayer | Charles_Murray: Hi. I should let you know you put some of your colonies in Junction territory |
| 10:28.19 | Charles_Murray | Oh I did? Sorry! Which ones? |
| 10:28.34 | OluapPlayer | All of the Eastern Arm ones |
| 10:28.51 | Charles_Murray | o.o |
| 10:29.15 | Charles_Murray | Hm. It's not marked on any of the maps, I'm afraid |
| 10:29.24 | Charles_Murray | I'll endeavor to move them, apologies |
| 10:29.27 | OluapPlayer | Yes it is |
| 10:29.30 | OluapPlayer | On the territory map |
| 10:30.09 | OluapPlayer | You got into Borealis because of Jo. You should preferably keep to Ottzello |
| 10:31.05 | Charles_Murray | I also asked you for permission separately, and on a whole unrelated thread? :O |
| 10:31.24 | OluapPlayer | I don't recall |
| 10:31.46 | Charles_Murray | I'll find the thread |
| 10:32.43 | OluapPlayer | In any case, a number of sectors are off-limits |
| 10:32.50 | Charles_Murray | I ask: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:198915#18 |
| 10:32.57 | OluapPlayer | The Grim Reaper sector is one of them on the basis of it being 100% Junction controlled |
| 10:33.05 | Charles_Murray | You respond: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:198915#20 |
| 10:33.30 | Charles_Murray | That makes perfect sense, I didn't see it. I'll move them. |
| 10:33.46 | OluapPlayer | You can't really expect me to remember something from 8 months ago |
| 10:35.24 | OluapPlayer | Hm. I suppose you couldn't find it because the territory map is no longer on the main page |
| 10:35.38 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 10:35.52 | OluapPlayer | Must have been deleted during the unused file purge |
| 10:36.31 | OluapPlayer | Anyway, you know it now |
| 10:37.26 | Charles_Murray | Mhm! Do you have any recommendations where there would be a lot of andasium |
| 10:37.26 | Charles_Murray | ? |
| 10:37.28 | OluapPlayer | Also I would prefer if you added either an exact or an estimate colony number |
| 10:38.36 | OluapPlayer | Which arm? |
| 10:39.16 | Charles_Murray | It's probably going to be well under 500, though the reason I hesitated to add one is because it's always going to be changing. Most of the CW's systems are temporary settlements, bases for mining operations which are abandoned once andasium runs out. If you want to count permanent systems, I would say about six major spaceports. |
| 10:39.35 | Charles_Murray | Any arm, I can spread out the colonies |
| 10:40.27 | OluapPlayer | Your safest, as in most guaranteed and less dangerous, would be the Outer Core |
| 10:41.39 | OluapPlayer | The east probably has more andasium than the west, but it's infested with space pirates, mercenaries and if you look hard enough, demons |
| 10:42.03 | OluapPlayer | The Outer Core is a safe middle ground |
| 10:42.24 | Charles_Murray | Also UNO (right?), and France vowed never to settle there again. xD |
| 10:42.52 | Charles_Murray | I'll revisit the map as soon as I can and edit in the colony number. Thanks for your help! |
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| 10:54.58 | Hachiman | Hi |
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| 11:00.05 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 11:00.17 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 11:00.27 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 11:00.31 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Murray: Is "Si c'est vu" grammatically correct French? |
| 11:00.46 | ImpyDroid | "If it is willed" or something |
| 11:00.54 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1450695042291.jpg |
| 11:01.10 | Charles_Murray | "vu" means "seen" |
| 11:01.12 | OluapPlayer | Ink is not here |
| 11:01.20 | Charles_Murray | You might want to give me a longer sentence |
| 11:01.57 | ImpyDroid | No, it is not for homework, it's for one SporeWiki fiction I am planning to work on |
| 11:02.49 | ImpyDroid | "voulou" is the correct form right? |
| 11:02.58 | ImpyDroid | *voulu |
| 11:03.25 | Charles_Murray | Yep! That's past tense of "will" |
| 11:03.46 | Charles_Murray | Si c'est voulu would be correct |
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| 11:53.51 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1450695042291.jpg |
| 11:54.12 | Liquid_Ink | Yep. |
| 12:11.20 | ImpyDroid | I wonder why are you not trying to do anything productive with your Muslims though |
| 12:12.24 | ImpyDroid | like we find loyalist clerics friendly to Russia, put them in charge and thus keep the religious minorities from rioting |
| 12:12.25 | Liquid_Ink | We've tried to point out that a larger workforce is a good thing, but "logic" and "right-wing" are mutual exclusive concepts. |
| 12:12.56 | Liquid_Ink | Our religious minorities don't even riot. |
| 12:13.09 | Liquid_Ink | They are the victims of riots. |
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| 12:53.25 | Hachiman | Hi Monet |
| 12:58.04 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:58.45 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 13:09.41 | Hachiman | I almost forgot that I needed to go shopping for food today |
| 13:09.53 | Hachiman | twas gonna starve |
| 13:24.42 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkmaMSiFT6g Watch Steve-O from Jackass breath fire while doing a backflip from a table in order to explode a hanging balloon full of water |
| 13:24.51 | Hachiman | In slow-motion, even |
| 13:37.00 | Hachiman | Yeah looks like I'm starving for tonight, it is raining heavily and I do not fancy walking through that to grab some food and lunch |
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| 13:50.23 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 13:50.37 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 13:51.02 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:51.28 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 13:51.44 | Hachiman | Hi Wormy |
| 13:51.57 | Hachiman | Wormy_ AdmiralPanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkmaMSiFT6g |
| 13:52.17 | Hachiman | Steve-O from Jackass breathing fire while doing a backflip from a table in order to explode a hanging balloon full of water. In slow-motion. |
| 13:55.53 | Wormy_ | pretty cool] |
| 14:02.03 | Wormy_ | Tis a sad day up north http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mirrorman-hand-last-day-coal-7038474 |
| 14:05.21 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 14:11.07 | Wormy_ | So apparently a Tory MP said "the reward for two hundred years of insubordinationâ. |
| 14:11.20 | Wormy_ | makes me shiver |
| 14:11.22 | AdmiralPanda | they haven't managed to shut down the coal industry here yet, but at the rate we're going it's gonna happen despite us having comparatively eco-friendly coal |
| 14:12.12 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_: Wasn't a Tory that said that, someone in the mine's administration did |
| 14:13.24 | AdmiralPanda | correction, a mining journalist |
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| 14:14.35 | Imperios | hi |
| 14:15.30 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 14:18.43 | Wormy_ | 'Itâs not just the end of an era. It is, as one Conservative MP once put it, âthe reward for two hundred years of insubordinationâ.' |
| 14:19.12 | Wormy_ | Theb mining journalist appears to be making the same point that an MP made, though not in the same position |
| 14:19.47 | Wormy_ | Of course, I can't find this quote so itmay be hear-say |
| 14:22.38 | Ghelaway | Google gives exactly zero other results for that quote. |
| 14:22.59 | Wormy_ | funny top http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7038441.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/PAY-Canteen-staff-serve-their-last-customers-at-Kellingley-Colliery.jpg |
| 14:24.49 | Hachiman | Typical northerners hur |
| 14:25.16 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 14:26.48 | Wormy_ | All the more reason for the North of England to join the Scots in splitting. You will not have the last laugh Southerners |
| 14:27.08 | Wormy_ | block off all the water revervoirs |
| 14:28.18 | Wormy_ | what a waste http://imgur.com/gallery/2t4bMAW |
| 14:29.32 | Wormy_ | Im feeling it http://imgur.com/gallery/gxp8xWw |
| 14:32.57 | Wormy_ | baby dolphin http://imgur.com/gallery/waXYlIm |
| 14:33.33 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/MSzgQ2L.png |
| 14:35.57 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/CL8BC |
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| 14:38.00 | Monet | Just seen an interesting convo in TOR: Jar jar as Luke's uncle. |
| 14:38.53 | Monet | (something people were discussing) |
| 14:40.40 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/A4bkck6 |
| 14:46.27 | Imperios | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/38/Commune_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20151221144516 I'll use that for that human faction idea I had |
| 14:46.56 | OluapPlayer | Didn't you already have a human faction |
| 14:47.05 | Wormy_ | oh yes, that's interesting |
| 14:49.09 | Wormy_ | Monet: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dq209/others/postmodernism.pdf |
| 14:49.56 | Imperios | I scrappedthe Russians hur |
| 14:50.38 | OluapPlayer | I remember you having humans in Andromeda |
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| 15:00.02 | Tek0516 | I'm getting really excited for the new Paradox game Stellaris. It has some really neat features previewed so far. Today's had some interesting stuff on genetically modified species: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-14-uplifting-and-subspecies.898648/ |
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| 15:19.45 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 15:32.36 | Monet | Tek0516: Neat. |
| 15:32.57 | Monet | It sounds like the species and empries we might see migth be procedural. |
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| 15:52.43 | drom | Hey |
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| 16:24.11 | Wormy_away | drom: I got a book on scientific visualisation with Blender |
| 16:25.02 | Wormy_away | It also has sections that are introductory to Blender so I'm giving it a second chance |
| 16:26.52 | Wormy_away | My knuckles are starting to hurt today, on and the hand which has become more stiff |
| 16:27.08 | Wormy_away | Hopefully I've not injured it from too much computer use |
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| 16:29.18 | drom | I know ya, Wormy_away |
| 16:30.14 | Wormy_away | That's slightly reassuring, if it becomes too much of a problem it could dent my work. But maybe it just goes with the work |
| 16:32.02 | drom | I usually get problems with my wrists |
| 16:38.43 | Wormy_away | scary roundabout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEqzWiR-qS0 |
| 16:38.51 | Wormy_away | Yeah |
| 16:39.07 | Wormy_away | Sometimes I am wondering if I;m starting to feel my age |
| 16:45.06 | drom | When I sleep on a foreign bed, I get back problems for rest of the day |
| 16:51.48 | Wormy_away | Funnily enough, if something makes me annoyed in the morning, I will be bad mooded for the rest of the day. |
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| 17:43.32 | Wormy_away | I got trolled by a Dad joke |
| 17:44.44 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.49 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 18:01.00 | Xho | AAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 18:01.06 | OluapPlayer | happy bee day |
| 18:01.28 | Xho | BS |
| 18:01.41 | Xho | Or B's |
| 18:04.43 | Xho | Well now what do I do |
| 18:05.17 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/57/VoidGuardian2015.png/revision/latest?cb=20151220234813 Oh yeah I made this yesterday |
| 18:14.51 | Wormy_away | Happy birthday, 21 now? |
| 18:19.52 | Xho | SÃ |
| 18:20.04 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Just encountered 3 Level 540 Charred Feral Ghouls |
| 18:20.09 | Xho | Now how the hell am I meant to kill those |
| 18:20.54 | OluapPlayer | Shoot the legs |
| 18:21.13 | Wormy_away | So the 21 has caught up with you, in the 21st day of the 12th month of the 21st century |
| 18:21.42 | Xho | mwaha |
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| 18:22.32 | Wormy_ | I did not intend the minute to be that precise. |
| 18:23.12 | Wormy_ | My IP address... This is escalating |
| 18:23.44 | Wormy_ | I think you might like the film Pi (just "Pi", not life of Pi), mixes the themes of synchronicity and numerology |
| 18:24.49 | Wormy_ | The socially avoident guy who happens to be a mathematician goes nuts in the end after he uncovers a number, with Wall Street and religious nutters going after him |
| 18:25.46 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmWhwyA0NU |
| 18:43.38 | Xho | Well fighting a Level 540 enemy is next to impossible |
| 18:43.59 | Xho | You can last the fight but there's no weapon in the game that does a relative amount of damage to an enemy like that |
| 18:44.49 | OluapPlayer | Do enemies actually scale that much? |
| 18:45.18 | Xho | Indeed they do |
| 18:45.24 | OluapPlayer | Good lord |
| 18:45.25 | OluapPlayer | Why even |
| 18:45.25 | Xho | No level cap = No NPC level cap |
| 18:45.47 | OluapPlayer | Level 540 Radroach when |
| 18:45.54 | Xho | noooh |
| 18:46.03 | Xho | They should just cap it at 100 |
| 18:46.19 | Xho | The Ancient Behemoth is 95 and there's no enemy in the game a higher level than that |
| 18:46.38 | OluapPlayer | Suddenly, level 540 Behemoth |
| 18:46.49 | OluapPlayer | Behemoth Behemoth |
| 18:46.53 | Wormy_away | In Fallout 3, did you have Mothership Zeta pack |
| 18:47.05 | Wormy_away | There are some aliens with a nigh impenetrable shield |
| 18:50.26 | Xho | Don't quite remember anything like that |
| 18:50.40 | Xho | But then again by the time I played the DLCs everything was weak |
| 18:51.58 | Xho | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=580681206 |
| 18:53.14 | Xho | I don't think their attack power scales, but their health certainly does |
| 18:53.24 | Xho | I offloaded like 300 rounds and its health was down to about 75% |
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| 18:57.10 | Xho | I did well on the money front today however |
| 18:57.13 | dino82 | hello! |
| 18:57.20 | Xho | Hi |
| 18:59.18 | Monet | Hello |
| 18:59.56 | dino82 | how is allz doing! |
| 19:00.26 | OluapPlayer | Hello dino |
| 19:00.56 | dino82 | hello! |
| 19:01.33 | dino82 | anything going on at the wiki? |
| 19:02.25 | Wormy_away | Hi, not much from my corner. But we have a new dinoman. |
| 19:02.48 | Wormy_away | Oh, and Val's back |
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| 19:05.18 | OluapPlayer | He's been around before |
| 19:05.22 | OluapPlayer | The second dinoman that is |
| 19:06.29 | dino82 | a new dinoman? |
| 19:06.37 | dino82 | Oh nice to see Val back! |
| 19:06.39 | Wormy_away | Yeah, but didn't stick around |
| 19:07.05 | Xho | The other dinoman's quite an old user |
| 19:08.40 | Monet | dino82: I'm on holiday now :) |
| 19:09.10 | dino82 | Ah ok, clear haha |
| 19:09.19 | dino82 | @Monet: Oh nice! Holiday! At home or in another country? |
| 19:12.14 | Monet | Home |
| 19:13.28 | dino82 | @Monet: Nice! any plans for the holidays? |
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| 19:22.24 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 19:24.01 | drom | hai |
| 19:24.02 | OluapPlayer | ~pinch Cyrannian |
| 19:24.02 | infobot | ACTION scuttles after Cyrannian and pinches him vigorously |
| 19:24.38 | Cyrannian | ~dump OluapPlayer |
| 19:24.47 | OluapPlayer | ur not allowed |
| 19:25.30 | Cyrannian | bah |
| 19:25.45 | OluapPlayer | werk on intergalactic war |
| 19:27.50 | Cyrannian | shup |
| 19:27.56 | OluapPlayer | nagnagnagnag |
| 19:31.59 | Hachiman | So I discovered today that the Forsworn from TES: Skyrim are ethnically descendants of Bretons of the Reach and Nordic settlers |
| 19:32.42 | Hachiman | Yet they do not appear to show any real connection to either races |
| 19:33.05 | Hachiman | Other than being human and having better magic potential than the Nords |
| 19:35.04 | OluapPlayer | Forsworn |
| 19:35.05 | OluapPlayer | who now |
| 19:35.45 | Hachiman | The tribesmen who live in the Reach and the people who the Briarhearts belong to |
| 19:35.58 | OluapPlayer | Ah, those |
| 19:36.09 | OluapPlayer | Why do you care exactly, you don't even play TES hur |
| 19:36.22 | Hachiman | I like the lore and background behind TES |
| 19:40.10 | OluapPlayer | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4f/BorealisSectors.png I've remade the Borealis sectors, mainly because I quite disliked the names of the previously unexplored regions |
| 19:40.14 | OluapPlayer | So now they're completely nameless |
| 19:40.54 | Hachiman | Makes sense |
| 19:40.58 | Hachiman | Looks pretty good to me |
| 19:45.57 | drom | Wormy_away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpkx4AqifpI |
| 19:46.24 | Monet | dino82: No real plans. |
| 19:46.43 | dino82 | @Monet: Nice! A true relacing holiday then :D |
| 19:47.12 | dino82 | @Monet: A new superweapon found in the Quadrants: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Galvarus |
| 19:49.18 | Wormy_away | drom: waterfall -> car wash |
| 19:54.18 | dino82 | The mandabit arrive: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:LostinSpace18.png |
| 19:57.10 | Wormy_away | dino82: Veru impressed with the Hat'tak, I tried building them but to far less success |
| 19:57.54 | dino82 | @Wormy: Thanks! It is actually a building instead of ship |
| 19:57.59 | dino82 | but very challenging and difficult |
| 19:58.08 | dino82 | on a pictur ethey look rather simple until you start building them |
| 19:58.33 | Wormy_away | http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Wormulon%7C2267110959%3Asast-500990069987 |
| 19:58.40 | Wormy_away | Ah, makes sense |
| 20:00.02 | Wormy_away | Some people have done it http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=advasrch-goa%27uld%3Afi-name%2Cauthor%2Ctags%2Cdescription%3Afu-UFO%3Am-LAND%2CAIR%2CWATER%3Ap-MILITARY%2CECONOMIC%2CCULTURAL%2CCOLONY%3Aidx-20%3Afl-NONE |
| 20:01.34 | Cyrannian | Very nice dino |
| 20:02.24 | dino82 | wow they look neat as well |
| 20:06.01 | drom | Monet: http://i.imgur.com/9etW5d8.png |
| 20:06.56 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/055/575/8ff.jpg heard u been talkin shit |
| 20:15.27 | Monet | drom: ConCom level: Eminem. |
| 20:15.36 | Monet | No wait... |
| 20:15.39 | Monet | 50 cent. |
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| 20:33.59 | Wormy_away | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35154450 woops |
| 20:53.38 | Xho | OluapPlayer: a bit of doot not enough doot doot |
| 20:55.20 | Xho | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/e7/GolemNdrhthryr.png/revision/latest?cb=20151221205426 Got bored so I did this |
| 20:56.13 | dino82 | bye bye |
| 20:56.15 | dino82 | have to elave |
| 20:57.43 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ef/Ndrhthryr.png/revision/latest?cb=20131216203321 And Ndrhthryr used to look like a teddy bear |
| 20:58.21 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9b/Ndrhthryr2015_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20151128210042 I like looking back and seeing the improvements |
| 20:58.26 | Hachiman | olol |
| 20:59.00 | Xho | As for that Golem Ndrhthryr, speaks for itself |
| 20:59.05 | Xho | Ndrhthryr as a golem |
| 21:00.00 | Hachiman | I thought it was Nd without his armour |
| 21:00.09 | Xho | Nope |
| 21:00.23 | Xho | Though it's close to that cncept |
| 21:00.24 | Xho | concept |
| 21:01.25 | Hachiman | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-BU6keEUw |
| 21:01.25 | Xho | I was tempted to do a full sci-fi cyborg Ndrhthryr |
| 21:01.45 | Xho | Oh god why |
| 21:02.04 | OluapPlayer | FrankenNd |
| 21:02.32 | Xho | I like doing alternate appearances for characters |
| 21:02.52 | Monet | 2015 Nd is beast. Armour is really well-done |
| 21:09.35 | Imperios | Monet OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/fw89UcC.png |
| 21:09.54 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 21:10.35 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 21:11.01 | Xho | k3k |
| 21:11.13 | drom | olol |
| 21:11.17 | Xho | What other characters could I do alternate costumes for |
| 21:11.26 | Hachiman | Do Fantasy Kicath |
| 21:11.59 | Xho | >orayu |
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| 21:12.01 | Hachiman | Nu should carry around a giant cannon |
| 21:12.14 | Imperios | Literal cannon |
| 21:12.17 | dinoman9877 | I'm here. Hide your brains for I may infect them. >:D |
| 21:12.47 | Xho | Nu carrying around a giant naval artillery gun |
| 21:12.48 | dinoman9877 | And it suddenly falls silent. |
| 21:13.02 | Xho | THE TIME IS 21:12 ON THE 21/12 |
| 21:13.03 | Xho | FUCK |
| 21:13.23 | Xho | NOW I HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE FUCKING YEAR TO DO THAT AGAIN |
| 21:13.25 | dinoman9877 | Actually it's 4:13 |
| 21:13.31 | dinoman9877 | There is...there is no 21st hour |
| 21:13.43 | Xho | 9:13 pm 21:12 |
| 21:13.46 | Hachiman | Wait until it's 21:21 of the 21/12 |
| 21:13.58 | Xho | I can't wait 8 minutes |
| 21:15.08 | Xho | I can only really do Janos, Ndrhthryr and Vultusk since they're all abominations of some nature |
| 21:15.13 | Xho | Rather easy to mess around with |
| 21:15.21 | Xho | Taihadrae perhaps as well |
| 21:15.51 | dinoman9877 | Ah to have a fiction to work on. xP |
| 21:16.42 | Xho | I could do a cursed pirate Pelagrios |
| 21:17.20 | OluapPlayer | how about you finish the Abyssus page |
| 21:17.30 | Xho | hao bout NOOOH |
| 21:17.54 | Wormy_away | Xho: I've always expected your birthday to cause the apocalypse, especially the 18th, 2012, and this one |
| 21:18.00 | Wormy_away | *your |
| 21:18.12 | Xho | It is my kind of luck for that to happen |
| 21:19.32 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmV5R-hqBno But yeah Nd is an expy of this guy |
| 21:19.40 | Xho | Except Ndrhthryr is good and not evil |
| 21:19.48 | OluapPlayer | I thought Nd was an expy of Nu |
| 21:19.55 | Xho | Nope |
| 21:20.03 | OluapPlayer | is surprise |
| 21:20.17 | Imperios | Monet Hachiman: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1450725261386.jpg Is that the Trumpette Wormy spoke of? |
| 21:20.42 | Xho | Both of them are created by an evil cult and have a giant fukkin axe |
| 21:21.27 | Hachiman | Astaroth is <3 |
| 21:21.36 | Hachiman | Talim is also <3, I need to create an expy of her one day |
| 21:21.44 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmCkFRe1giA Ndrhthryr vs Janos |
| 21:21.48 | OluapPlayer | You need to finish your everything, that's what |
| 21:22.20 | Hachiman | Since when did Nd look like a Greek god |
| 21:22.59 | Xho | Nd - the moment i turned into a swan and fucked your mother |
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| 21:24.21 | OluapPlayer | Nd goes HONK HONK |
| 21:24.45 | Xho | Nd - she definitely went honk |
| 21:26.12 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:30.15 | dinoman9877 | No idea what people are talking about so I'll just stay quiet...he said as he stopped being quiet. |
| 21:30.36 | Xho | As for the rest of my Fantasy characters, Nd = Astaroth, Janos = Nightmare...hm |
| 21:30.41 | Xho | Longinus is sort of like Algol |
| 21:30.51 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 21:30.57 | Xho | With the ancient armour and general dickishness |
| 21:31.12 | Hachiman | Difficult to equate a character to Hachi other than possibly Yunseong or Maxi |
| 21:31.24 | Xho | Xiba hur |
| 21:31.35 | Hachiman | Oh wow hur |
| 21:31.38 | Xho | Except replace "Food" with "tits" |
| 21:32.08 | Xho | Pelagrios is Jack Sparrow so not a Soulcalibur character |
| 21:32.24 | Hachiman | Pelagrios is like a neutral-aligned, cowardly Cervantes |
| 21:32.33 | Xho | Pelagrios - do i get to hover tho |
| 21:32.38 | Hachiman | Except he is lacking a super-hot daughter |
| 21:32.56 | Xho | Pelagrios - this is my super hot daughter *shoves Riad in front of him* |
| 21:33.00 | Hachiman | hur |
| 21:33.08 | Hachiman | Speaking of Xiba |
| 21:33.25 | Hachiman | When I next feel like working on them, I might make the Munki a little more... Deiwos-like |
| 21:33.32 | Xho | munkipeepl |
| 21:33.38 | OluapPlayer | bUT WHY |
| 21:33.38 | Hachiman | Still beastman but more human/elvenlike faces and such |
| 21:33.40 | OluapPlayer | But why |
| 21:33.49 | Xho | cus son wukong dats y |
| 21:34.01 | Hachiman | Yeah, Son Wukong was one of my reasons hur |
| 21:34.10 | OluapPlayer | May as well make them humans |
| 21:34.15 | Hachiman | Well no |
| 21:34.22 | Hachiman | Succubi look like elves but they are not elves |
| 21:34.38 | OluapPlayer | Succubi are female Vurdalak |
| 21:34.41 | Xho | Savant Contrivance is Voldo |
| 21:34.44 | OluapPlayer | Vurdalak do not look like Deiwos |
| 21:34.52 | Hachiman | Vurdalak are male Succubi |
| 21:34.57 | Hachiman | Succubi look like Deiwos |
| 21:35.07 | Xho | With Hachi's wooden arm he could be Yoshimitsu-ish |
| 21:35.20 | Hachiman | I did plan for Hachi to fulfil a Yoshimitsu-ish role in future |
| 21:35.22 | Xho | Except without the ambiguity of him being a human or not |
| 21:35.52 | Hachiman | Munki would still have stuff like tails, short stature, fur in places and whatnot, general inhuman athletics and dexterity |
| 21:36.19 | Xho | An actual Cervantes expy would be scary |
| 21:36.37 | Hachiman | N'hali comes close to a Cervantes expy for me |
| 21:36.41 | Xho | True |
| 21:36.49 | OluapPlayer | Don't know who that is |
| 21:36.58 | Xho | Violent psycho undead pirate |
| 21:37.01 | Hachiman | Undead pirate dude from Soul Calibur |
| 21:37.13 | Xho | Severely op as well |
| 21:37.18 | Xho | Gameplay wise anyway |
| 21:37.24 | Xho | Lore-wise he gets weaker and weaker |
| 21:37.34 | OluapPlayer | dats ironic |
| 21:37.57 | Xho | Earath is Sigfried-ish due to wielding a greatsword |
| 21:38.08 | Hachiman | And having a gentleman's attitude |
| 21:38.16 | Xho | In the later series I guess anyway |
| 21:38.21 | Hachiman | Well yeah |
| 21:38.28 | Xho | Sigfried's generally a dick up until V |
| 21:38.36 | OluapPlayer | Earath has no personality besides being a guy with a greatsword |
| 21:38.44 | Hachiman | This is bait |
| 21:38.52 | Xho | MAGGOTS |
| 21:39.00 | OluapPlayer | I think I know my own character, thanks |
| 21:39.18 | Xho | We need a Zasalamel expy |
| 21:39.23 | Xho | Because Zasalamel is <3 |
| 21:39.33 | Xho | Though a Zasalamel expy would be actual overpowered |
| 21:39.44 | Hachiman | I think you need to stop putting Earath down and being a pessimist when you have received nothing but help |
| 21:40.27 | Xho | Ancient reincarnating uy |
| 21:40.28 | Xho | guy |
| 21:41.18 | Xho | A scythe-wielding character might be interesting though |
| 21:41.30 | Xho | Although wielding a scythe as a weapon is a bit impractical |
| 21:41.36 | Xho | Unless you're the god of death |
| 21:41.48 | Hachiman | Like Mortium hur |
| 21:41.57 | Hachiman | And Hachi has wielded a scythe in battle before |
| 21:42.07 | OluapPlayer | Incidentally, Mortium's scythe |
| 21:42.11 | Hachiman | Incidentally, Mortium's scythe when he fought Zran Kar |
| 21:42.13 | Xho | 10/10 |
| 21:42.17 | OluapPlayer | get dunked on |
| 21:42.19 | Hachiman | fug |
| 21:42.29 | Xho | Or even better, a Necrid expy |
| 21:42.31 | Xho | Calling that |
| 21:42.44 | Hachiman | Necrid's not a bad guy tho |
| 21:42.50 | Xho | didn't say he was hur |
| 21:42.52 | Xho | hur |
| 21:42.55 | Hachiman | You'd have to make him a neutral/good-aligned character with Void energy to be accurate |
| 21:42.58 | Xho | gotta stop doing dat |
| 21:43.19 | Xho | Not necessarily void energy but aesthetically speaking yes |
| 21:43.30 | Xho | Or primal energy |
| 21:43.52 | Xho | Or just general cryptomancy |
| 21:43.59 | Hachiman | >cryptomancy |
| 21:44.00 | Hachiman | wat dat |
| 21:44.09 | Xho | generic hocus pocus is the way I see it |
| 21:44.11 | Hachiman | I cannot imagine being on either the receiving or giving end of both Primal and Void energy would look pretty for anyone |
| 21:44.16 | OluapPlayer | Arcane magic |
| 21:44.25 | Xho | Generic hocus pocus c |
| 21:44.36 | OluapPlayer | So yes, generic hocus pocus |
| 21:44.44 | Xho | 10/10 best explanation |
| 21:45.04 | Hachiman | Hocus pocus which includes stuff like healing, teleportation, divination, etc |
| 21:45.35 | Hachiman | Teleportation is so underrated for combat use in the Fantasyverse |
| 21:45.57 | OluapPlayer | Teleportation is annoying to fight against |
| 21:46.21 | OluapPlayer | It also tends to trivialize things, which is why I only keep it to very long distance transportation |
| 21:46.40 | Hachiman | Then again it could be a case of casters who use it not really being legible for frontline combat anyway or that it requires concentration to use which is not really suitable for combat situations beyond retreat |
| 21:48.53 | Hachiman | "Shaving says a lot about a man. Like, "I'm not one."" |
| 21:49.01 | Hachiman | - Every dwarf ever |
| 21:49.51 | OluapPlayer | "Beard. Yes." |
| 21:49.53 | OluapPlayer | - Clamak |
| 21:50.06 | Hachiman | Xho: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12295327_974007625996573_4940935044672414132_n.jpg?oh=1e797fb6dbdcf14d149fade1be738eb2&oe=56D50E75 |
| 21:50.42 | Hachiman | "I killed Maxson as soon as I got on the Prydwen. Wanted his coat." |
| 21:50.43 | OluapPlayer | But im the one who posts Fallout 4 despite only being half-aware of their context |
| 21:50.50 | OluapPlayer | took ma jerb |
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| 21:56.40 | Xho | kek |
| 21:56.48 | Xho | But yeah Maxson's coat is boss |
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| 22:00.41 | Xho | But yeah a mind/body-twisted battlemage might be interesting |
| 22:00.46 | Xho | Could possibly be a Black Sun member |
| 22:01.56 | Hachiman | Shapeshifting battlemage of transformation and transmutation |
| 22:03.50 | Xho | Also no one understands a word he's saying |
| 22:04.03 | Hachiman | GRUMBLE GRUMBLE GRUMBLLLLEEEE |
| 22:05.00 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1cWoxteG2g For anyone who doesn't know who Necrid is |
| 22:05.19 | Hachiman | Necrid is a legendrid |
| 22:05.43 | Hachiman | I feel a little saddened he was not included in any other SC games |
| 22:06.10 | Monet | There's something to be said for how the Sith Empire dealt with the Rakgoul plague. From what I can tell, their methods include: Mass incineration, flushing infectees out of airlocks, and a backup plan of completely flattening planet zero if the infection gets too extreme. |
| 22:06.56 | Hachiman | You mean, like how many modern governments would plan to deal with outbreaks and infections |
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| 22:08.58 | OluapPlayer | Goddamnit |
| 22:09.01 | Hachiman | Necrid is basically a spiky Super Mutant who cannot speak properly |
| 22:09.16 | Hachiman | And uses obscure magic in melee combat |
| 22:09.44 | OluapPlayer | There's a Super Mutant in New Vegas who fits your first sentence |
| 22:09.54 | OluapPlayer | He's called Mean Sonofabitch |
| 22:10.02 | Hachiman | olol |
| 22:10.31 | Monet | Hachiman: Not sure if any modern government has ever bombarded a city to smithereens for an infection outbreak |
| 22:10.55 | Hachiman | I remember the Mongols weaponized the Black Plague |
| 22:11.00 | Monet | Although you are certainly right for animal livestock. |
| 22:11.28 | Monet | Foot and Mouth, TB and Mad Cow Disease were contained by incinerating entire herds of cattle. |
| 22:12.32 | Monet | Did they weaponise it or did they simply capitalise on a rather innocuous event. |
| 22:13.00 | Hachiman | They launched corpses infested with the Black Plague over the walls of sieged settlements and cities |
| 22:13.04 | Hachiman | They weaponized it hur |
| 22:13.05 | Monet | (the event being rats in China and India with plague-carrying ticks sneaking aboard Euroepa nships) |
| 22:13.29 | Monet | Oh wait I get you now. |
| 22:13.48 | Monet | For a minute there I thougth you were suggesting the Mongols may have been the ones who spread it to Europe. |
| 22:13.59 | Hachiman | Effectively they were, even if unintentionally |
| 22:14.05 | OluapPlayer | How did they not contract the Plague themselves in the mean time? |
| 22:14.34 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Familiarity with it possibly |
| 22:14.38 | Hachiman | They did |
| 22:14.47 | Hachiman | They threw Mongol corpses over the city walls |
| 22:15.11 | Xho | Breaking down shitty warrs: not need |
| 22:15.50 | Hachiman | I should also note that when the plague-carrying vermin which spread into Europe from China occured, China was reigned by the Yuan Dynasty - effectively, China was under Mongolian rule |
| 22:16.29 | Monet | Yeah but did they know what caused the illness? |
| 22:16.59 | Hachiman | Probably not since many people did not know where it came from |
| 22:17.22 | Hachiman | Like I said, it is likely that the Black Death was brought into Europe unintentionally through contact with Mongolian China |
| 22:18.09 | Monet | Was going to say was it like in Europe where the blame varied between bad hygene, curses, divine punishment, bad behaviour or blaming soem ethnic minority. |
| 22:20.26 | Hachiman | It says something about the utter ruthless and brutal nature and methods of the Mongols when they launched the corpses of their own infested dead over the walls of sieged cities in order to kill off their inhabitants |
| 22:21.29 | Monet | Pretty ruthless yeah |
| 22:21.57 | Monet | Though I get the feeling that Euroepans weren't above raining disease-ridden animals on their foes. |
| 22:22.32 | Hachiman | That being said, the Mongols were also rather admirable in that they were tolerant of all religions as they did not expect foreigners to follow their own, allowed foreigners and peasants into their ranks and in turn breaking down feudalism, and held an appreciation for foreign history and culture and tried their best not to destroy or tarnish it |
| 22:24.13 | Hachiman | When Hulagu Khan committed the Siege of Baghdad and razed it and its architecture, people, and culture to the ground, he was severely berated for it by his peers |
| 22:24.53 | OluapPlayer | Double standards much |
| 22:25.25 | Hachiman | How so? |
| 22:26.15 | OluapPlayer | Who cares if we spread pestilence to exterminate the population, at least we're nice to the priests |
| 22:26.30 | Xho | wololol |
| 22:26.35 | Hachiman | hur |
| 22:26.41 | OluapPlayer | [colour change] |
| 22:26.53 | Monet | Not sure if its double standards |
| 22:27.04 | Monet | They're jsut ruthless in war but kind in governance. |
| 22:27.05 | Hachiman | To be fair, the Mongols only did this to cities that incited insurrection or hostile resistance against them |
| 22:27.13 | Hachiman | Otherwise they were kind rulers and allies |
| 22:27.29 | OluapPlayer | An army of angry warriors throwing dead bodies over your walls |
| 22:27.33 | Xho | I'd ask whether anyone wants to watch me do a broadcast of me making a character in Spore |
| 22:27.35 | OluapPlayer | Of course they'll be met with hostile resistance |
| 22:27.43 | OluapPlayer | mite b cool |
| 22:27.46 | Hachiman | They did that in RESPONSE to hostile resistance |
| 22:27.49 | Hachiman | yeh sur |
| 22:27.53 | Xho | not u cus u not loyal hoe |
| 22:28.02 | OluapPlayer | is dat so den |
| 22:28.05 | OluapPlayer | well fuk u pal |
| 22:28.16 | Xho | aw |
| 22:28.42 | Xho | well invite urself den |
| 22:29.08 | Monet | Again Europe: Not exactly a shining alternative. |
| 22:29.12 | OluapPlayer | I'd not broadcast others to watch me make anything in Spore. I tend to zone out and get distracted, so I open the game and only start making the model 30 minutes later |
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| 22:30.07 | Monet | One of the common tactics of pre-enlightenment warfare was to surround the city, block off all the roads and starve the citizens int osurrender. |
| 22:30.25 | OluapPlayer | There's been times I opened the game to make something, starting browsing YouTube then ended up forgetting why I opened the game |
| 22:30.57 | Monet | And I believe there are numerous cases of the citizens of besieged cities turning to dogs, horses, pigeons and even rats to avoid starvation. |
| 22:32.15 | Hachiman | From what I can recall, the Khan who led the Siege of Caffa, either Toqtai or Ozbeg, initiated it in response to severe displeasure at how Italian traders bought and sold Turkic slaves |
| 22:32.43 | OluapPlayer | I'm not saying they're good. I'm saying they're definitely not saints |
| 22:32.49 | Hachiman | Oh no, not at all |
| 22:32.56 | OluapPlayer | No such thing as good people in war |
| 22:33.45 | Monet | Its like how we vote in England: Your choice for a master (if you're that lucky) isn't the guy you like best its the guy you hate the least. |
| 22:35.44 | OluapPlayer | That's how it works everywhere |
| 22:36.06 | Hachiman | I find it rather ironic however that despite being a contiguous empire of rural steppe barbarians with a knack for brutality in warfare, they were one of the more progressive historical nations |
| 22:36.09 | Monet | Before the ideas of democracy the best form of lordship was often seen as making sure the peasants were either too busy, to afraid or too poor to storm your castle. |
| 22:36.37 | Monet | Most often too helpless though. |
| 22:37.56 | Hachiman | They assimilated into and cooperated with other nations rather well and I do not think there were such a thing as official second-class citizens within their factions other than slaves who once fought and resisted them |
| 22:38.50 | Monet | What about Persia and its Satrapys? |
| 22:39.02 | Hachiman | I do not know too much about Persia |
| 22:39.36 | Wormy_away | I might be seeing Star Wars this Wednesday |
| 22:39.44 | Hachiman | Women were also treated with equal respect to men and wives were allowed to divorce their husbands if they so wished |
| 22:41.49 | Hachiman | So while the Mongols may have been marauders, raiders, and barbarians, they were also, ironically, a rather cultured people who have seen far more success at founding and expanding their reign in regards to territory than any other empire in human history |
| 22:41.49 | Monet | Persia's satraps were comparable in power to viceroies. |
| 22:42.52 | Monet | Kings who answered to the king of Persia essentially. |
| 22:43.42 | Hachiman | I see |
| 22:44.57 | Hachiman | https://media.giphy.com/media/l0OWiTau5GxxfoqlO/giphy.gif For Star Wars fans and Slavs |
| 22:45.30 | Wormy_semi_here | Hahi: Kievan Rus ensured it's people were eeducated and had a sort of pro-democracy according to a TED video I watched |
| 22:45.38 | Wormy_semi_here | *proto |
| 22:45.45 | Hachiman | I also watch TED hur |
| 22:46.21 | Xho | Sure no one else wants to watch this broadcast |
| 22:46.25 | Wormy_semi_here | Animation about the history of Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfe1wEQzSzM |
| 22:46.27 | Hachiman | I wanna watch |
| 22:46.37 | Hachiman | I have honestly come to doubt the idea of Kievan Rus being founded and reigned by Vikings considering that Russian sounds closer to Slavic than Danish |
| 22:46.54 | Monet | Not going to deny the Mongols were progressive, but a part of me wonders if they di dit because it appeared mroe practical. |
| 22:47.38 | Hachiman | Well, it was more practical |
| 22:47.45 | Hachiman | Why do you think they were so successful hur |
| 22:47.56 | Monet | Rome might be another example. Peopel joke that Rome stole Greece's gods, its possible that the original Italian gods became more Greek. |
| 22:48.27 | Hachiman | They did not impose their native religion on others since it was so tied to their homeland of Mongolia, the Mongols did not expect foreigners to understand or follow it |
| 22:48.51 | Wormy_semi_here | The video describes that what we know of as Russia is a mixture of Viking leaders, Slavic people, Mongol invaders, Greek and Byzantine scholars helped build the written language |
| 22:49.02 | Hachiman | So they just simply allowed foreigners under their reign to practice and follow whatever religion they pleased |
| 22:50.26 | Monet | Romans were like the Borg, wherever they went they absorbed bits and pieces of foreign culture though assimilation. |
| 22:50.28 | Hachiman | Also it was more advantageous for the Mongols to promote people in their military and politics, including vassals and foreigners under their reign, based on a system of meritocracy rather than kratocracy or heritage |
| 22:50.56 | Monet | A lot of Rome's later emperors weren't even italian. |
| 22:51.46 | Hachiman | I like how Rome proclaimed itself to be a republic despite its imperial tendencies for the past 200 years prior to Caesar's reign and assassination |
| 22:52.17 | Hachiman | And people feared Caesar turning Rome into an empire despite the fact that previous rulers have done even worse shit than Caesar before his time with Rome |
| 22:52.47 | Monet | They weren't officially an empire. |
| 22:53.23 | Hachiman | The Roman Republic was effectively an unofficial empire |
| 22:53.43 | Monet | They cosnidered temselves a republic because their highest authority was the Senate of Rome. |
| 22:56.16 | Monet | The Senate killed Julius largely because he was leaving the Senate ineffective. WHich to eb fair on him, they were such before his rise. |
| 22:56.39 | Wormy_semi_here | Hachiman: If it is true, then Russia has a parallel with English history, that being, they kicked out the Romans/Vikings, and then after not getting along with each other, yearned for their return |
| 22:56.51 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 22:57.10 | Wormy_semi_here | Would be interesting to see this play out i the fiction universe |
| 22:57.13 | Hachiman | Typical that the Slavs could not handle themselves after kicking the Vikings out of Russia |
| 22:57.14 | Wormy_semi_here | *in |
| 22:58.06 | Monet | The senate was made up of politicians that also spent time as generals. And yet when Julius marched on Rome there was no triumphant battle to claim the icty. |
| 22:58.29 | Hachiman | His opposition either died before he got there or ran away when he showed up |
| 22:58.31 | Wormy_semi_here | Might be better suited for Koldenwelt |
| 22:58.50 | Monet | Most of them yeah simply ran away |
| 22:59.09 | Monet | Pompey I think retreated because he wanted to fight Gaius on his own terms. |
| 22:59.19 | Hachiman | I imagine some human tribes freed under Ahmalhrich Stormsword's insurrection were reintegrated back into elven society voluntarily |
| 22:59.46 | Hachiman | And if I recall, it took Caesar getting to Egypt to find out that Pompey had already died |
| 23:00.39 | Monet | Actually that was what might have been the Senate's death knell - they elected hi mto be protector of Rome, to save the city from a madman marching to it...and he left the city undefended. |
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| 23:01.44 | Monet | Completely scarpered, even if it was to fight Julius his own way, I doubt the people at the tiem of Gaius' arrival thought thought the Senate was very smart for their decision. |
| 23:02.28 | Hachiman | It is kind of funny that you bring up the point of Roman politicians not even being Italian when something similar happened with China |
| 23:03.34 | Hachiman | The Yuan Dynasty was founded by Kublai Khan, who operated as the Emperor of China under the name "Shizu" and also held the title of Great Khan of the Mongol Empire |
| 23:06.29 | Monet | I think Pompey was perhaps a strong representation of the dual lives politicians led - he was a legendary general prior to Gaius Julius' uprising, but at his heigth he was also one of Rome's wealthiest ever men. |
| 23:06.39 | Monet | height* |
| 23:07.19 | Hachiman | Julius was an even richer man |
| 23:09.15 | Monet | According to plutarch, Pompey's successed contributed some 35 million drachmae to proceeds to ROme's treasury. |
| 23:09.43 | AndroImp | Hachiman: Strangely enough, China was actually ruled by non-Han people for like most of its history |
| 23:09.50 | AndroImp | It was their thing, so to speak |
| 23:10.02 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 23:10.27 | AndroImp | You see, the Chinese were highly advanced but sucked when it came to actual fightimg |
| 23:10.49 | AndroImp | So their history was a cycle of "get conquered -> turn conquerors into us" |
| 23:10.54 | Monet | To put that into perspective, at the heigth of his career, Pompey was providing almost *half* of Rome's wealth. |
| 23:11.17 | AndroImp | Basically like a civilisation-sized version of Frostmourne |
| 23:11.47 | Hachiman | Are there even pureblood Chinese anymore |
| 23:11.52 | Monet | Without his funds, state proceeds were 50 million drachmae, with it, proceeds were as much as 85 million. |
| 23:12.00 | AndroImp | As much as there are pureblood anyone |
| 23:12.13 | Monet | Pompey was, and pardom y French, Rich as all fuck. |
| 23:12.22 | AndroImp | But considering their population, there probably are |
| 23:12.45 | AndroImp | The last emperors were Manchu for example, then there were Jurchens, Kidans etc |
| 23:13.14 | AndroImp | Russia is also famous for this although not to the same degree |
| 23:13.17 | Hachiman | Were Han the original Chinese? |
| 23:13.36 | AndroImp | I think so, they are like the main Chinese |
| 23:14.00 | AndroImp | I think there is some continuity in language and blood from the beginning of Chinese history |
| 23:15.11 | AndroImp | Anyway our country was founded by a fucking Viking, our greatest empress was fucking Prussian and then we had in succession a dynasty of Germans, a Jew, a Georgian and a Ukrainian |
| 23:15.37 | Hachiman | Typical Slavs |
| 23:15.42 | Hachiman | Cannot do anything right |
| 23:16.42 | AndroImp | Not sure if I should be offended or if it was a suggestion to seize power |
| 23:16.48 | AndroImp | That was literally the reason for inviting a foreign king cited in ancient Russian chronicles |
| 23:17.12 | Hachiman | Do you actually have Russian blood in you or are you "pureblood" North Korean |
| 23:17.37 | AndroImp | I am not pureblood North Korean that is for sure |
| 23:18.05 | AndroImp | North Korean just happens to be the dominant ancestry, at the very least I have some South Korean ancestors |
| 23:18.10 | AndroImp | From Busan |
| 23:18.13 | Hachiman | Well of course |
| 23:18.30 | Hachiman | North and South Koreans are practically the same people |
| 23:18.31 | OluapPlayer | you're only born in one location eeeee |
| 23:18.55 | AndroImp | I also apparently had an ancestor that had light eyes but where did he get THESE from is a big question |
| 23:18.57 | Wormy_semi_here | I have some Russian ancestry |
| 23:19.18 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: We are talking about ethnic heritage not national birthplace, for example your heritage stems back to Brasilian monkeys |
| 23:19.23 | AndroImp | Ainu, Russian, English, who knows |
| 23:19.38 | OluapPlayer | Yours stem back from hobos but you don't see me complaining |
| 23:19.48 | OluapPlayer | You got your ancestors's hair |
| 23:20.05 | AndroImp | Would be funny if that ancestor of mine was actually the result of some drunken British or American sailor coming into Korea |
| 23:20.10 | AndroImp | *to Korea |
| 23:20.18 | Hachiman | Realistically I possibly of distant Indian heritage |
| 23:20.28 | Hachiman | Or Caribbean |
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| 23:21.19 | AndroImp | >You are only born in one location |
| 23:21.48 | OluapPlayer | >implying you can be born in two places at once |
| 23:21.53 | OluapPlayer | Unless you got a time machine, you can't |
| 23:22.04 | AndroImp | Yes but this location is a permanently clouded city of drug addicts and snobs in the middle of a swamp |
| 23:22.19 | Hachiman | inb4 you were born on Dagobah |
| 23:22.27 | OluapPlayer | You're literally Shrek, stop complaining |
| 23:22.31 | AndroImp | More like Alderaan |
| 23:22.32 | Wormy_semi_here | To be fair you can be conceived in one place and born in another. I certainly wasn't in England I know that much (unfortunately) |
| 23:22.38 | Hachiman | SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME THE WORLD WAS GONNA ROLL ME |
| 23:22.56 | AndroImp | Dagobah is Siberia |
| 23:23.09 | Hachiman | For example, my mother was born in Wales but is otherwise British |
| 23:23.22 | Hachiman | Her parents are British |
| 23:23.36 | OluapPlayer | She's nonetheless whatever Wales people are called on the basis of leaving her mother's body there |
| 23:23.41 | AndroImp | Saint-Petersburg is Alderaan pretending to be Coruscant |
| 23:23.44 | Hachiman | But she's not hur |
| 23:23.47 | AndroImp | OluapPlayer: Welsh |
| 23:23.55 | OluapPlayer | wosh |
| 23:24.01 | OluapPlayer | wosh u soul |
| 23:24.14 | Hachiman | She is of British heritage, British ethnicity, British nationality |
| 23:24.23 | OluapPlayer | Born at Wales |
| 23:24.28 | AndroImp | Actually no it is that Sith world from SW: TOR |
| 23:24.55 | Hachiman | Born in Wales yes but not actually Welsh on the basis of her heritage and ethnicity, or her nationality as she is deemed a British citizen |
| 23:24.57 | AndroImp | Especially fitting considering that Putin is from here |
| 23:25.12 | OluapPlayer | You must have a different definition of nationality then |
| 23:25.12 | Monet | I may have some Dutch blood but there may be some American in me too. |
| 23:25.19 | Wormy_semi_here | It's true that, Wales is a country but the UK is also a country so you can be born in two (if that is the point being made), just not in any official sense since you are a British citizen with a UK passport |
| 23:25.30 | OluapPlayer | Over here, your nationality = your place of birth |
| 23:25.50 | Hachiman | Over here, nationality = where you hold permanent residence |
| 23:25.50 | Monet | We're talking about ethinicity really. |
| 23:25.56 | Hachiman | You can change your nationality |
| 23:26.09 | Monet | Hachi's right. |
| 23:26.14 | Hachiman | Your ethnicity however, you cannot |
| 23:26.15 | OluapPlayer | You can't change nationality over here |
| 23:26.17 | Hachiman | Or your heritage |
| 23:26.21 | Monet | London has a New Yorker for a lord-mayor. |
| 23:26.27 | OluapPlayer | You can get double-nationality, but you can't scrap one in favour of another |
| 23:26.41 | AndroImp | Russian definition of nationality kind of fits your definition of ethnicity |
| 23:26.56 | AndroImp | What you call nationality we call citizenship |
| 23:27.10 | Hachiman | Citizenship and nationality is interchangeable for me |
| 23:27.15 | Wormy_semi_here | "Service grants citizenship" Starship Troopers |
| 23:27.24 | Hachiman | Or at least, kinda interchangeable |
| 23:27.26 | AndroImp | OluapPlayer: What if you move to another country though? |
| 23:27.42 | Charles_Bot | I'm wondering if I should start a Sporewiki Twitter service. In other words, a Twitter-like message board where our fictions can interact in a fun and fast-paced way. I miss the UDB of old, where responses came in from everywhere on every subject. |
| 23:28.08 | OluapPlayer | A Brazilian moving to Russia is still a Brazilian unless they go through the paperwork to become both Brazilian and Russian |
| 23:28.43 | AndroImp | Ah so you can't renounce your Brazilian citizenship |
| 23:28.49 | OluapPlayer | You can't |
| 23:28.55 | AndroImp | Once a Brazilian, always a Brazilian |
| 23:29.04 | Hachiman | Once a monkey, always a monkey |
| 23:29.08 | AndroImp | The Hue will not leave you |
| 23:29.11 | OluapPlayer | You can become Brazilian + something else, but you can never get rid of the Brazil bit |
| 23:29.28 | OluapPlayer | Unless you like change your identity or something, but that's illegal |
| 23:29.44 | AndroImp | Right |
| 23:30.05 | Wormy_semi_here | Even in another nation? |
| 23:30.17 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 23:30.19 | Wormy_semi_here | Its not like Brazil can come after you in Russia |
| 23:30.25 | Monet | Brazil - Only bad people revoke their citizenship of this great nation! |
| 23:30.35 | Wormy_semi_here | If I was to become American I would have to renounce citizenship, I believe. But there are Americans with dual Irish passports (which are faster for some reason) |
| 23:30.38 | OluapPlayer | They can if you're a figitive |
| 23:30.41 | OluapPlayer | fugitive even |
| 23:30.53 | Wormy_semi_here | true |
| 23:30.54 | OluapPlayer | Whether they succeed in getting you back is another subject |
| 23:31.07 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_semi_here you don't have to renounce citizenship, only allegiance |
| 23:31.20 | Monet | Wormy_semi_here: You cna become an expat. |
| 23:31.21 | Wormy_semi_here | Ah right |
| 23:31.24 | AndroImp | Russians allow dual citizenship, but you can renounce Russian citizenship if you so desire |
| 23:31.29 | Monet | can become* |
| 23:31.29 | Charles_Bot | I have both French and American citizenships |
| 23:32.01 | AndroImp | If you are a dirty liberal Jewish-European fifth column homosexual American slave of course |
| 23:32.38 | OluapPlayer | By changing citizenship away from the God-Emperor Putin, you become a literal ork |
| 23:33.52 | Wormy_semi_here | I might be able to get an Irish passport through descent, for my Grandad is Irish |
| 23:34.19 | Wormy_semi_here | dual citizenship |
| 23:35.20 | OluapPlayer | I don't really know my heritage, nor do I bother to check |
| 23:35.22 | OluapPlayer | It's not relevant |
| 23:35.52 | AndroImp | Silly OP, we are ALREADY orcs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordovia |
| 23:37.49 | AndroImp | Yes we do have a city called SARANSK that is the capital of MORDOVIA |
| 23:38.16 | OluapPlayer | I don't see where you're going with this |
| 23:40.30 | AndroImp | Sauron and Mordor |
| 23:41.31 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 23:41.55 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 23:45.21 | Xho | Well, Spore crashed |
| 23:45.29 | Xho | Neverthless I made my character |
| 23:45.45 | Hachiman | Kaaxhesh the Vibrator |
| 23:46.01 | Xho | u wot |
| 23:47.15 | OluapPlayer | Madii - dis sum interestin shi |
| 23:47.43 | Hachiman | So called because Kaaxhesh irradiates with a buzzing sound whenever he uses magic kek |
| 23:48.14 | Xho | Kaaxhesh - ecnetsixe elbaresim gnikcuf a si siht |
| 23:49.58 | Hachiman | extensive elbaresim fucking a is shit |
| 23:50.12 | Hachiman | Wait I fucked up |
| 23:50.31 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/32/KaaxheshKychtdar.png/revision/latest?cb=20151221235000 There it is |
| 23:50.56 | OluapPlayer | Madii - big hand to stick in places |
| 23:51.28 | Xho | Kaaxhesh - em morf yawa lleh eht teg |
| 23:51.38 | OluapPlayer | y he speak backwards |
| 23:51.43 | Xho | cuz madman |
