IRC log for #sporewiki on 20151126

`01:00.29`	`Wormy_away`	`drom: today during all this work I'm doing. Iistened to The Last Samurai OST, to rock albums: Hawkwind's Warrior at the Edge of Time and The Contortionist, Stargate SQ1 soundtrack and several random tracks from games and space ambience`
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`01:05.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Back`
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`01:54.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`test`
`01:54.23`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hi`
`01:55.14`	`AKtheKing`	`Hello!`
`01:57.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Sorry about the lack of activity here... :p`
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`01:58.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hello`
`01:58.57`	`Aeo`	`Hello`
`01:58.57`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Long time no see. :p`
`01:59.07`	`Aeo`	`Indeed.`
`01:59.23`	`OfficerJackal`	`Woah! You are back! :D Haven't seen you in like forever!`
`02:00.01`	`Aeo`	`Right. Sorry about that.`
`02:00.19`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its no problem. What brings you back?`
`02:00.26`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Or alternatively why'd you leave?`
`02:00.40`	`Wormy_away`	`Hi Aeo, welcome back.`
`02:00.52`	`Aeo`	`Lost interest. See, the thing is that my characters on here are not any good, so I never get engaged in them.`
`02:01.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ah...`
`02:01.18`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah character development's a more difficult thing to write for sure`
`02:01.38`	`Aeo`	`And as for what brings me back, pushing this. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t52a?ThePuppyTurtles-Shattered-Star-Livestream-Epic`
`02:02.07`	`Aeo`	`So if you do need an excuse to hang out with me OJ, there you go. Would love you to be there.`
`02:02.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Part of why I really like worldbuilding and whatnot; I enjoy just writing about fluff surrounding the Drodo. :p`
`02:02.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ah`
`02:02.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hmm, might not be able to play anyhow`
`02:03.33`	`OfficerJackal`	`Hmm, cool! I'll try and download it, is it free?`
`02:04.01`	`OfficerJackal`	`And also, I have absolutely no experience with this sort of game. :x`
`02:04.39`	`Aeo`	`That's fine. I went into this expecting mostly my YT friends to join up. And it is free, here's the link. http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/`
`02:05.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire/Culture#Family - Also in terms of fiction. I edited this a bit a little while ago, but didn't let anybody know. :p Take a look if you wish`
`02:05.36`	`Aeo`	`Well, the information you need is free. But anyways, I'd be more than willing to walk you through making a character.`
`02:05.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I elaborated a lot on Drodo family on IRC but only then did I write it down well`
`02:06.05`	`OfficerJackal`	`Yeah, I'm gonna need help with this. XD`
`02:06.07`	`DrodoEmpire`	`(That's addressed to just anyone btw)`
`02:06.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I tried getting into Roleplaying Games several times in the past, couldn't ever get into it I'm afraid`
`02:07.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Not sure exactly why`
`02:07.41`	`Aeo`	`Well, help shall come, here in a minute if you'd like, or later.`
`02:08.33`	`OfficerJackal`	`Whenever you want. XD Although, are you available for a Skype call at the moment, that would ease things a bit.`
`02:09.53`	`Aeo`	`As for writing on the wiki again... if I ever did, I'd have to reboot the characters to make them more interesting and three-dimensional. The concept of the Aeoneonatrix has potential, but needs more of a human core to ground the moral dilemmas they represent. As of now, they're more like a thought experiment in a philosophy textbook than a story.`
`02:11.07`	`Aeo`	`I am online on skype, though I plan to multi-task this and schoolwork, so text would be easier for me. Here via PMs or on skype, your choice.`
`02:11.55`	`OfficerJackal`	`Hmm, I guess PMs on here would be better then, not really a fan of Skype's text chat.`
`02:16.24`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Aeo: Ahh, I see`
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`02:38.20`	`AKtheKing_`	`So, I attempted to open Spore with the Galactic Adventures add-on, and the opening "cinematic" even says it's Spore: Galactic Adventures, but when it loads, it loads as if it's normal, vanilla Spore.`
`02:38.26`	`AKtheKing_`	`Can anyone help haha?`
`02:39.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Oh sorry`
`02:39.47`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well does it give you the options for GA (GA item on the menu bar, etc)?`
`02:40.07`	`AKtheKing`	`Nope. That's the weird part`
`02:40.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`If not, then you're probably opening vanilla spore. You need to run GA itself`
`02:40.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Like not the Spore .exe fire`
`02:40.18`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*file`
`02:40.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Galactic Adventures one`
`02:40.31`	`AKtheKing`	`I haven't opened the game in like a year, so I could be doing something wrong`
`02:41.04`	`AKtheKing`	`Well, that's the thing. I'm opening Spore Galactic Adventures, and it even tells me that with the logo during the opening explosion thing`
`02:41.14`	`AKtheKing`	`and then it turns into normal Spore, without any GA options`
`02:41.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Huh...`
`02:41.25`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That's really weird`
`02:41.35`	`AKtheKing`	`Yeahhh`
`02:41.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I'd un and re install it`
`02:41.39`	`AKtheKing`	`Oh well XD`
`02:41.49`	`AKtheKing`	`Yeah, I'll probably end up having to do that`
`02:41.56`	`AKtheKing`	`Shoot haha`
`02:42.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah I guess`
`02:42.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Spore has a history of glitches`
`02:43.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Especially gamebreaking ones of this nature`
`02:43.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`A fresh install works usually`
`02:46.50`	`AKtheKing`	`You know that feeling when you look back at something you made when you were younger, something you were proud of, and you realize it really wasn't that great?`
`02:46.58`	`AKtheKing`	`I'm having that right now haha`
`02:47.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah I get that a lot`
`02:47.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`My early fiction, for one. XD`
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`02:47.56`	`AKtheKing`	`Yeah XD`
`02:48.14`	`AKtheKing`	`I made a nation on Sporewiki a year or two ago, and I'm rereading it`
`02:48.34`	`AKtheKing`	`It's not bad, per se. I would just do a lot of it differently.`
`02:48.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh`
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`02:48.57`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Feel free to rewrite it!`
`02:49.28`	`The_Randomness`	`Hello`
`02:49.38`	`AKtheKing`	`True, that's always doable.`
`02:49.45`	`AKtheKing`	`Hello`
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`02:50.11`	`AKtheKing`	`Is there still a fantasy-type world?`
`02:50.21`	`AKtheKing`	`I'm blanking on the name`
`02:51.37`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Wormy_Away drom technobliterator The_Randomness Aeo Any of you got a minute or two for a little page related problem?`
`02:51.58`	`The_Randomness`	`What's the issue? Not sure if I'll be able to help, but I'll try`
`02:52.49`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I added a floating message text on my empire's page a while ago, and now the wikia search bar keeps covering it`
`02:52.56`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic`
`02:53.10`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`The text in yellow in red at the top left corner`
`02:53.26`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Is there any way to lower the text s it isn't covered?`
`02:53.34`	`The_Randomness`	`I'm not seeing any issues`
`02:54.12`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I can't see it. FOr some reason the wikia search bar covers it`
`02:54.17`	`The_Randomness`	`Let me see how it looks in Chrome`
`02:54.23`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I can do a screenshot if necessary`
`02:54.53`	`The_Randomness`	`oh`
`02:54.55`	`The_Randomness`	`I see it now`
`02:55.11`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Is there any way to prevent that?`
`02:55.14`	`The_Randomness`	`Let me mess around with my settings`
`02:56.09`	`The_Randomness`	`Yeah, I have no idea how to fix it :/`
`02:58.01`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Could I post something in the Discussion board to ask help for it?`
`02:58.39`	`The_Randomness`	`If you wanted to, sure. I think it might be faster to just catch Techno or drom when they're on`
`02:59.15`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I will give it a try :)`
`03:06.42`	`Wormy_away`	`I'll have a quick look`
`03:07.28`	`Wormy_away`	`I think I can see the problem`
`03:09.27`	`Wormy_away`	`I'll let you adjust it to how you want http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic, all I did was change the number of pixels from the top which it will display`
`03:10.45`	`Wormy_away`	`Comrade_Vinny: Some CSS knowledge goes a long way http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_boxmodel.asp`
`03:10.51`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Wormy_Away http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Problemscreenshot.png Screenshot if you wanna see it :)`
`03:11.30`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Sorry, I mostly learned to code in wikia when I wrote articles for a minecraft mod's wiki`
`03:11.31`	`Wormy_away`	`It's fixed in my browser`
`03:11.49`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I never learned any coding proper`
`03:12.22`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`It is , but now it's kinda in the middle of the screen for me... -.-`
`03:12.46`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`In worst case, is it possible to change it's position on the screen?`
`03:12.54`	`Wormy_away`	`You will need to play around with the number of pixels in "top: 100px;", but I don't know how you want it`
`03:13.16`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Like, moving it to the lower left/right side...`
`03:13.18`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`I will try`
`03:13.22`	`Wormy_away`	`Yes, you can control how far left you want it too`
`03:13.33`	`Wormy_away`	`And also the size of the padding`
`03:14.30`	`Wormy_away`	`The left (and top values) before were 0`
`03:14.30`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`<div style="position: fixed; top: 100px; left: 0px; padding: 3px; background: black; border: 1px solid red; color:yellow; z-index:2"><b>''Chairman Vostok wishes you welcome in the people's republic!''</b></div>`
`03:14.51`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`If i change top: for bottom: would it place it a the bottom of the screen?`
`03:15.21`	`Wormy_away`	`It might do, otherwise you could just add really high values to push it down.`
`03:15.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Put it in the bottom corner like I did`
`03:15.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Copy the coding on my Drodo page`
`03:15.58`	`Wormy_away`	`^ always the best solution`
`03:16.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hope that helps`
`03:16.17`	`Wormy_away`	`Look at my DCP box too, I put mine on the right and also changed the padding`
`03:17.03`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Yah, copying other pages' code pieces and retrofitting them is usually how I work around :p`
`03:17.21`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`But it did work to change to bottom:.`
`03:17.32`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic`
`03:17.52`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Would it look better on the right or the left?`
`03:22.19`	`Aeo`	`test`
`03:23.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`test`
`03:23.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`ayy still here`
`03:28.05`	`DrodoEmpire`	`http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/8thhussars.jpg - Early canadian uniforms were the best.`
`03:28.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Also: Another bit of reference material for Drodo military sketches. :p`
`03:28.44`	`AKtheKing`	`dat hat`
`03:28.56`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I love 19th century uniforms`
`03:29.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That'd be pretty close to some Drodo guard cav regiments really`
`03:29.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Most elite ones have a reputation for wearing extremely flamboyant uniforms straight into battle as a matter of rpide`
`03:29.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*pride`
`03:32.06`	`AKtheKing`	`That's interesting. Does it affect their performance in battle on a drastic scale?`
`03:32.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Not really. These uniforms were not as impractical as they look`
`03:32.52`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Especially when combined with more modern materials they'd be yet lighter`
`03:33.23`	`DrodoEmpire`	`In addition, most Drodo horse cavalry regiments have no interest in hiding; They're cavalry, they charge and do formation maneuvers`
`03:34.03`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Well, the only thing I'm questionning is the would the silly hat not be a bit annoying is it's windy...`
`03:34.11`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`*if`
`03:34.21`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I don't find it silly, quite cool actually. :p`
`03:34.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Anyway, historically poorly-fastened bearskins did often get lost`
`03:34.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Well fastened they would be fine and actually helped in reduced head wounds`
`03:34.50`	`AKtheKing`	`Are the cavalry regiments still used in battle? Or are they more of a symbol/tradition thing?`
`03:34.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*reduicing`
`03:34.56`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*reducing`
`03:35.00`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Drodo use them in active duty.`
`03:35.11`	`AKtheKing`	`and they ride horses?`
`03:35.12`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Their cavalry are technologically advanced however`
`03:35.30`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes, mechanical ones capable of going over a hundred kph however`
`03:35.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Plus modern weaponry`
`03:35.36`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Other than that, I don't see any problem with shiny uniforms`
`03:36.00`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Plus energy shielding that blocks projectiles, energy bolts, small bombs, etc.`
`03:36.19`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`But do you ride robot horse or somekind of motorbike?`
`03:36.28`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes. I said before a mechanical horse`
`03:36.42`	`AKtheKing`	`Do they wield melee weapons?`
`03:36.46`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Bikes are shit mounts for anything other than mounted riflemen`
`03:36.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Means they can actually charge headon into automatic fire and most or almost all will survive`
`03:37.17`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Are they really based off horses or an animal similar to it but native to the Drodo?`
`03:37.26`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes, all units carry sabres along with a carbine and sidearm(s)`
`03:37.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Plus specialized weapons`
`03:37.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Such as heavier swords, curved sabres, power-lances capable of penetrating heavy tank armour, antitank guns, etc.`
`03:38.14`	`DrodoEmpire`	`A Drodo animal very similar to the terran horse`
`03:38.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But yes all cavalry units carry at least a universal-pattern sword`
`03:39.01`	`AKtheKing`	`Interesting`
`03:39.05`	`AKtheKing`	`and badass XD`
`03:39.08`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Thanks. XD`
`03:39.21`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I went full rule of cool with them but managed to make them work`
`03:39.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`They'd be especially useful for colonial/antiinsurrection warfare`
`03:39.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Alongside pitched battle`
`03:39.41`	`DrodoEmpire`	`*s`
`03:40.13`	`DrodoEmpire`	`They're cheap, maneuverable, versitile, and able to send almost any soldier but especially militiamen running from a charge`
`03:41.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Not too hard to corral a bunch of irregulars into a nice field or forest with a few cavalry maneuvers and then bomb the living hell out of said field/forest with artillery. :p`
`03:42.43`	`AKtheKing`	`How would one go about joining the fantasy universe?`
`03:42.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ask Oluap or Hachi about it I'd say`
`03:44.35`	`AKtheKing`	`Do they get on this very often?`
`03:44.48`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Every day for at least a few hours`
`03:44.58`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Not hard to get into contact with them`
`03:45.10`	`DrodoEmpire`	`If that fails, you can always contact them on their message wall`
`03:46.11`	`AKtheKing`	`all righty, thanks!`
`03:46.21`	`DrodoEmpire`	`No problem!`
`03:46.24`	`AKtheKing`	`do you have a civilization in that universe?`
`03:46.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yes.`
`03:46.33`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The City State of Halifaxia`
`03:46.49`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its going to start its first big fiction in a few days actually`
`03:47.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AHalifaxia`
`03:48.35`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Needs an update here or there still`
`03:49.26`	`AKtheKing`	`Hmm, I like the idea of an elective monarchy. That's interesting!`
`03:50.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Thanks!`
`03:50.25`	`AKtheKing`	`Is there a set of rules of some sort for the Source?`
`03:50.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Based it a little off of Poland-Lithuania/Venice`
`03:50.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I wouldn't be the guy to ask`
`03:51.37`	`AKtheKing`	`Gotcha`
`03:51.55`	`AKtheKing`	`If I were to create a society that had a ruling, aristocratic-type class of Sources-users, do you think that would fit in with the world?`
`03:52.03`	`AKtheKing`	`*Source-users`
`03:53.22`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Oh probably`
`03:53.26`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Again, not the one to ask`
`03:53.32`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its a great idea though`
`03:53.57`	`AKtheKing`	`Well thanks haha`
`03:54.43`	`DrodoEmpire`	`:3`
`03:58.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70HsEvNRck - Skeptic James Randi debunks an astrologer dressed like a Zouave`
`04:04.25`	`OfficerJackal`	`kek`
`04:04.49`	`AKtheKing`	`His face looks defeated at the end haha`
`04:05.18`	`AKtheKing`	`understandably`
`04:06.02`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah XD`
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`04:15.01`	`AKtheKing`	`Whoever creates the Koldenwelt maps is very talented`
`04:15.05`	`AKtheKing`	`*created`
`04:15.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Yeah`
`04:19.26`	`AKtheKing`	`Is the stretch of water that separates the eastern and western continent supposed to be a river?`
`04:19.48`	`DrodoEmpire`	`I presume it is an enormous river yes`
`04:20.00`	`AKtheKing`	`but where's its source?`
`04:20.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Almost more of a sea`
`04:20.09`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Eh true`
`04:20.29`	`DrodoEmpire`	`THen more of a very slim sea, sort of like the red sea`
`04:20.35`	`AKtheKing`	`A very long strait haha`
`04:20.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`^`
`04:20.45`	`DrodoEmpire`	`An enormous strait`
`04:20.56`	`AKtheKing`	`interesting`
`04:21.02`	`AKtheKing`	`probably invaluable for trade`
`04:21.15`	`DrodoEmpire`	`^`
`04:21.17`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Definitely`
`04:22.02`	`AKtheKing`	`I'll probably put my little civilization on it, if I can choose.`
`04:22.12`	`AKtheKing`	`How often to fictions interact?`
`04:22.15`	`AKtheKing`	`*do`
`04:25.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`All the time if you wish`
`04:27.56`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`Good ight!`
`04:27.59`	`Comrade_Vinny`	`*n`
`04:29.13`	`AKtheKing`	`good night!`
`04:31.06`	`AKtheKing`	`I know exactly where I'd want to put my civilization.`
`04:31.18`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Oh?`
`04:31.28`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Keep in mind climate and actual geography`
`04:31.39`	`AKtheKing`	`http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b0/NewKoldenweltTestMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20131206210841`
`04:31.53`	`DrodoEmpire`	`If you're an agricultural people, you'll want somewhere warm and by a river for example`
`04:32.35`	`AKtheKing`	`So, in my mind, it would be on the river/strait sea, closer to the south end, on the tiny peninsula next to the tiny bay`
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`04:32.46`	`AKtheKing`	`I'm realizing that is not helpful XD`
`04:33.15`	`AKtheKing`	`but I'm not sure how to explain it haha`
`04:33.20`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Its fine. XD`
`04:34.58`	`AKtheKing`	`The reason I choose it is that it would give them ample access to trade, and some mountainous barriers to protect them from land`
`04:35.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`That's a good idea`
`04:35.34`	`AKtheKing`	`The land, based entirely on how greet it is on the map, looks fertile`
`04:35.52`	`AKtheKing`	`and maybe mountain runoff fertilizes the land?`
`04:36.03`	`AKtheKing`	`I'm not well versed in that area of geography.`
`04:36.24`	`Charles_Bot`	`Hey Aeo`
`04:36.34`	`Aeo`	`hey`
`04:36.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`AK: Could`
`04:36.51`	`DrodoEmpire`	`The mountains would at least be extremely mineral-rich`
`04:37.35`	`AKtheKing`	`That too.`
`04:38.01`	`AKtheKing`	`They would theoretically have access to trade, crops, and mineral resources`
`04:38.48`	`AKtheKing`	`While having a protective barrier behind them`
`04:39.07`	`AKtheKing`	`is there any form of scale on any Koldenwelt map?`
`04:39.07`	`DrodoEmpire`	`^`
`04:39.16`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Don't think`
`04:39.17`	`AKtheKing`	`Any way to compare distances with real life?`
`04:39.20`	`AKtheKing`	`darn`
`04:39.31`	`DrodoEmpire`	`You could guesstimate scales using the known measurements of landmarks`
`04:39.39`	`DrodoEmpire`	`But that's about it`
`04:39.44`	`DrodoEmpire`	`It'd benefit greatly from a scale`
`04:40.05`	`AKtheKing`	`I agree`
`04:40.21`	`AKtheKing`	`There must be some form of scale, as the article lists the surface area of the continents`
`04:41.34`	`DrodoEmpire`	`None I know of`
`04:41.37`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Wish I could help`
`04:41.38`	`DrodoEmpire`	`:L`
`04:42.15`	`AKtheKing`	`It's no problem at all haha. You're being very helpful!`
`04:42.32`	`AKtheKing`	`Sorry, I have a lot of questions XD`
`04:42.59`	`DrodoEmpire`	`No its good to ask`
`04:43.05`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Anyway I gotta go`
`04:43.06`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Night`
`04:43.14`	`AKtheKing`	`Good night!`
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`11:52.42`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
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`13:03.26`	`drom_`	`Tek0516 Wormy_: I really dig the look of this map http://i.imgur.com/7N9qYUs.png`
`13:04.34`	`AGrayCat`	`eh?`
`13:04.40`	`Wormy_`	`Is huge`
`13:05.08`	`Wormy_`	`drom: I have the book Star Trek Star Charts and use it as a 'roadmap' in STO]`
`13:05.36`	`Wormy_`	`http://www.chartgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/star-trek-map1.jpeg`
`13:05.41`	`Wormy_`	`Full of charts like this`
`13:05.43`	`Wormy_`	`g2g`
`13:09.27`	`drom_`	`Wormy_away: Ah yes, I used those time to time, but these were damn big, all I could do was to admire it.`
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`13:10.35`	`AGrayCat`	`eh?`
`13:18.15`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`13:19.14`	`ImpyDroid`	`Hi`
`13:20.33`	`drom_`	`Hey`
`13:21.15`	`drom_`	`ImpyDroid: I've a thought about if would be possible if NS could do diplomacy with demn Radeons? They both are friends of the GEC after all`
`13:30.09`	`AGrayCat`	`hey`
`13:30.17`	`AGrayCat`	`could people also do diplomacy with the soyuz`
`13:30.17`	`AGrayCat`	`:(`
`13:31.23`	`AGrayCat`	`ImpyDroid: Will you do more with http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Euraspact`
`13:38.19`	`ImpyDroid`	`Never`
`13:38.35`	`ImpyDroid`	`They are absorbed into the Human Superstate fully so they are nil`
`13:39.43`	`AGrayCat`	`darn`
`13:42.08`	`ImpyDroid`	`I could develop them for historical fiction though`
`13:50.52`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm`
`13:50.58`	`AGrayCat`	`Human Superstate?`
`13:55.07`	`drom_`	`AGrayCat: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AHuman_Superstate`
`13:56.13`	`drom_`	`ImpyDroid: You lazy suka, they aren't in the list.`
`13:56.26`	`AGrayCat`	`woah`
`13:56.27`	`AGrayCat`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Alcanti_Triad.jpg`
`13:56.31`	`AGrayCat`	`who drew thi`
`13:56.32`	`AGrayCat`	`this`
`13:56.42`	`drom_`	`Monet`
`14:01.17`	`AGrayCat`	`it is pretty darn good`
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`14:16.26`	`AGrayCat`	`gu`
`14:16.27`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`14:17.01`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm`
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`14:28.15`	`Wormy_`	`mpyDroid: I've always fancied Euraspact being allies with the DCP, though`
`14:28.41`	`Wormy_`	`Hence, they put Euraspact in charge of a section of the HS`
`14:29.34`	`Wormy_`	`Oh wait, I am mistaken. Sorry, they haven't`
`14:29.42`	`Wormy_`	`But that could be rectified`
`14:33.09`	`Wormy_`	`http://i.imgur.com/bNu7Izh.jpg`
`14:34.49`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`14:35.15`	`AGrayCat`	`euraspact should be independent if ya ask meh`
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`14:40.33`	`AGrayCat`	`hi?`
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`14:45.30`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`14:45.49`	`ImpyDroid`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:46.00`	`Wormy_`	`hi`
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`14:46.18`	`AGrayCat`	`well`
`14:46.20`	`ImpyDroid`	`Ghelae: What would be a good way to adapt a meaty meal for a mostly herbivorous species?`
`14:46.43`	`AGrayCat`	`I'm making a giant section all about all the species in the Chostvan Soyuz.`
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`14:46.59`	`drom`	`blyat`
`14:47.09`	`drom`	`ImpyDroid: suka blyat`
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`14:47.23`	`ImpyDroid`	`gde ss`
`14:47.33`	`Ghelae`	`ImpyDroid: Do you mean, what would be a good replacement for meat?`
`14:47.34`	`drom`	`)))))))))))))))))))`
`14:47.54`	`drom`	`Oh, what is this?`
`14:48.08`	`ImpyDroid`	`Just how meat could be made more malleable for herbivores`
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`14:49.34`	`Ghelae`	`That depends on why they can't normally eat meat. If it's simply a strong revulsion, you could disguise its appearance and flavour. That should work well for meat that's chopped up and put in a sauce, particularly something spicy like curry.`
`14:49.34`	`drom`	`Technobliterator: I'm doing to go ahead and to install a Mediawiki on my local machine, if I can some understanding of the software, if I can hack myself around that it works like a platform for collaborative fiction.`
`14:49.53`	`Technobliterator`	`nice`
`14:50.18`	`Ghelae`	`If they're incapable of digesting meat then it becomes more tricky. That's going to be a problem of the enzymes that they have in their stomachs.`
`14:50.45`	`drom`	`Technobliterator: I already got in touch how the ngnix works, it is awesome!`
`14:51.37`	`Ghelae`	`Microscopic droplets of protease-filled acid, with the shells designed to burst in the stomach (and not beforehand), could be mixed in with the food.`
`14:52.13`	`drom`	`They even got a documentation of running Mediawiki under NGNIX: https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/recipes/mediawiki/`
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`14:53.05`	`Ghelae`	`ImpyDroid: I'll repeat my replies to you in case you missed them.`
`14:53.07`	`Ghelae`	`That depends on why they can't normally eat meat. If it's simply a strong revulsion, you could disguise its appearance and flavour. That should work well for meat that's chopped up and put in a sauce, particularly something spicy like curry.`
`14:53.10`	`Ghelae`	`If they're incapable of digesting meat then it becomes more tricky. That's going to be a problem of the enzymes that they have in their stomachs.`
`14:53.12`	`Ghelae`	`Microscopic droplets of protease-filled acid, with the shells designed to burst in the stomach (and not beforehand), could be mixed in with the food.`
`14:53.24`	`Ghelae`	`Nope, okay. Never mind.`
`14:54.09`	`Wormy_`	`Apparently, some ungulates have been known to scavenge carcasses during drought`
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`14:56.59`	`Ghelae`	`I think meat-eating in ungulates has been recorded in other situations too.`
`14:57.42`	`Ghelae`	`So for them I guess it's more like the revulsion option: they can digest meat, but they have no instinct to (and often dead meat would signify predators nearby, so it's something to avoid).`
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`14:57.52`	`Wormy_`	`Yeah`
`14:58.02`	`Wormy_`	`They probably cannot survive very well on it`
`14:58.15`	`drom`	`Ghelae: I think this discussion has brought me some light on the Nomatarid diet, they are strictly carnivores where only less than 4% of their diet is composed by anything else than meat.`
`14:58.58`	`Ghelae`	`So for them, eating vegetables is something they dislike.`
`14:59.00`	`drom`	`The said 96% is all kind of products found in animals`
`14:59.18`	`drom`	`Yeah, it is only for health and flavouring`
`14:59.31`	`Wormy_`	`Some vegetarians think that by not eating meat, their body produces less meat-digesting enzymes, but I think it is probably a myth.`
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`14:59.47`	`Ghelae`	`And avoiding planets when you're a carnivore is also a sensible instinct when plants are full of poisons and indigestible cellulose.`
`14:59.54`	`Wormy_`	`The idea that eating a steak would give them digestive issues`
`15:00.36`	`Ghelae`	`It's not implausible, but I don't think it's likely that such a feedback mechanism exists.`
`15:01.28`	`Ghelae`	`As a hunter-gatherer in bad times when you don't know where your next meal is coming from, it's bad for your stomach to stop being able to digest meat just because your tribe's not managed to kill anything recently.`
`15:02.37`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm`
`15:02.46`	`Ghelae`	`The risk of wasting a good meal, I'm sure, is worse than the risk of wasting a few milligrams of protease.`
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`15:03.13`	`Ghelae`	`I'll repeat that for you:`
`15:03.15`	`Ghelae`	`It's not implausible, but I don't think it's likely that such a feedback mechanism exists.`
`15:03.17`	`Ghelae`	`As a hunter-gatherer in bad times when you don't know where your next meal is coming from, it's bad for your stomach to stop being able to digest meat just because your tribe's not managed to kill anything recently.`
`15:03.19`	`Ghelae`	`The risk of wasting a good meal, I'm sure, is worse than the risk of wasting a few milligrams of protease.`
`15:03.37`	`Wormy__`	`The question is whether the body would know how to digest meat straight way, or gets better at it through diet. Peoplew I've met either fall strongly in either camp.`
`15:05.10`	`drom`	`Though I've thinking that I could replace a portion of the Nomatarid diet with edible synethic meat, since it is cheaper, faster and easier to produce. Becoming specialists in producing both synethic and real animal products.`
`15:05.22`	`Wormy__`	`I would think that once the body has digested meat, it will always know how to, but it is not implausible it can get better at it, or worse. Maybe over generations rather than individuals does this effect take place`
`15:05.32`	`AGrayCat`	`so`
`15:05.51`	`AGrayCat`	`Could people give some feedback on this plan: A Grox off-shoot working for the Chostvan Soyuz.`
`15:05.59`	`Wormy__`	`I might eat vat-grown meat`
`15:06.12`	`AGrayCat`	`population ranges in the few millions`
`15:06.23`	`Wormy__`	`Certainly possible`
`15:06.32`	`Wormy__`	`Heh heh, so red`
`15:08.14`	`Wormy__`	`Ghelae: Gut bacteria probably explains digestive issues more than anything-else that a vegetarian may experience`
`15:08.23`	`Wormy__`	`if they eat a big steak`
`15:08.26`	`drom`	`Wormy__: Else they could use all of their POWs as literal meat factories`
`15:08.29`	`AGrayCat`	`Would there be any rules I would have to work with, like Grox OOC Special Rules/Unwritten Rules?`
`15:08.46`	`Wormy__`	`Maybe they make soylent green`
`15:09.05`	`Wormy__`	`Nonem if they are in your empire`
`15:09.42`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm`
`15:09.49`	`AGrayCat`	`I'll call them... Chostvan Grox, eh?`
`15:09.55`	`drom`	`Wormy__: Except Nomatarid are not cannibals, but accept autophapism for surviving in dire conditions.`
`15:09.59`	`Ghelae`	`Wormy__: Yes, gut microbiota would be a mechanism.`
`15:10.57`	`Ghelae`	`drom: Synthetic meat should certainly be possible for them. As a general rule, is a technology is emerging today then it'll be mature in any interstellar empire.`
`15:11.07`	`Ghelae`	`if a technology*`
`15:11.43`	`Wormy__`	`drom: Being based on canids, do you think they have rates of coprophagia?`
`15:11.44`	`AGrayCat`	`How many Chostvan Grox should there be?`
`15:12.20`	`Wormy__`	`Depends how much influece you want from them in your society or fiction context.`
`15:12.36`	`drom`	`Wormy__: Never thought of it`
`15:13.07`	`drom`	`Plus, that would be freakish to think off.`
`15:13.13`	`Ghelae`	`I sometimes attend the popular culture public lecture series here at Nottingham, and the two I've been to this term have both been about genetics in reality compared to science fiction.`
`15:13.43`	`Wormy__`	`They might eat their own in dire situations`
`15:13.55`	`Wormy__`	`And have strong immune systems`
`15:13.57`	`Ghelae`	`In the one yesterday, the lecturer explained that we are already actually at the sci-fi stage in genetic technologies. Pretty much any kind of genetic technology that's possible in principle is now possible in practice.`
`15:14.00`	`AGrayCat`	`Loyal to the state, culture slightly influential (and i mean slightly), some hold positions in government, young Chostvan Grox generally do well in education, one member of them serves on the Executive of the Soyuz`
`15:14.01`	`drom`	`Wormy__: There is also Urophagia, drinking your own urine to replish yourself with water.`
`15:14.11`	`drom`	`and other salts`
`15:14.24`	`AGrayCat`	`Wormy__: Loyal to the state, culture slightly influential (and i mean slightly), some hold positions in government, young Chostvan Grox generally do well in education, one member of them serves on the Executive of the Soyuz`
`15:14.33`	`Ghelae`	`AGrayCat: How many species are there in the Soyuz?`
`15:14.39`	`AGrayCat`	`a darn few`
`15:14.44`	`AGrayCat`	`I'm writing up an encyclopedia`
`15:14.52`	`Wormy__`	`Ghek: That's exciting/ I think we are in the stages of biotech revolution, but before the commercial stage`
`15:14.54`	`AGrayCat`	`right now I'm covering the Grox and the Catti`
`15:15.05`	`drom`	`"Ghek" GHEEEEEEEEEEEK!`
`15:15.42`	`Wormy__`	`Cat: I see, so probs more than a few million unless tour society is truly egalitarian`
`15:15.48`	`Wormy__`	`*your`
`15:15.54`	`Ghelae`	`Basically, you could start by considering all species to exist in equal amounts, so e.g. if there are 10 species then 10% of the population each. Then if the Grox have above-average numbers (which with above-average influence one might expect), increase it a little. Then just play around with the numbers.`
`15:16.07`	`AGrayCat`	`Egalitarian? Eh. It pretty much is.`
`15:16.37`	`AGrayCat`	`In the most basic definition, they are the space Paris Commune.`
`15:16.43`	`Ghelae`	`Wormy__: The real problem is information. So we could cure genetic diseases easily, if we knew exactly which genes to target (and people didn't bring up the ethics of editing human embryos).`
`15:17.02`	`drom`	`Wormy__: I guess Nomatarids would be okay with using humans to make soylent green.`
`15:17.04`	`Ghelae`	`And we could easily engineer Velociraptors, but more Velociraptor genes would help to make it really convincing.`
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`15:17.37`	`Ghelae`	`And if people didn't bring up the ethics of bringing Velociraptors back from the dead.`
`15:18.21`	`Wormy__`	`Ghelae: It is arguable that we still have a lot to learn about the grammar of genes. In this complexity book I'm reading, there is a lot of context that is important in the development of organisms.`
`15:18.45`	`Wormy__`	`Especially with phenotypes`
`15:19.41`	`Ghelae`	`Epigenetics is one area where we don't know nearly enough, she explained.`
`15:20.04`	`Wormy__`	`I think that's also the study of morphogenesis`
`15:20.28`	`Ghelae`	`The real principle is that, if we did find out how any particular thing worked, we could manipulate it with modern technology.`
`15:21.33`	`Ghelae`	`Completely the opposite as in sci-fi physical technologies, where we may know the principles behind starship construction but we're nowhere near the stage where you can build one in your own garden.`
`15:22.25`	`Ghelae`	`While - legality notwithstanding - you could make yourself some genetically-engineered pets in your kitchen.`
`15:23.56`	`AGrayCat`	`How does 23,000,000 million Chostvan Grox sound?`
`15:24.00`	`Wormy__`	`I think the energy / time / information pyramid is a good way to think about what is achievable. We may in principle know the physics, but not have enough time or energy.`
`15:24.33`	`Wormy__`	`to make such technologies come about soon`
`15:25.22`	`Ghelae`	`AGrayCat: So 23 trillion? Out of a population of 404 trillion, that seems fine.`
`15:25.37`	`Ghelae`	`404/23 = a fair few, too.`
`15:25.43`	`drom`	`404 Error, population not found`
`15:25.58`	`Wormy__`	`Ghelae: I would like it if they were to tweak dogs so they retain their puppyish features through life. And make them live longer. Providing they can remain healthy.`
`15:26.46`	`Ghelae`	`I'm sure China will figure out how to do that before too long.`
`15:26.46`	`Wormy__`	`Adult dogs are already psychologically puppies. Now lets make them physically puppies!`
`15:26.49`	`AGrayCat`	`23 million Ghelae`
`15:26.52`	`AGrayCat`	`23 million`
`15:27.00`	`AGrayCat`	`404 trillion is just the core worlds`
`15:27.07`	`AGrayCat`	`and that is going to be cut down`
`15:27.08`	`AGrayCat`	`heavily`
`15:27.27`	`AGrayCat`	`also`
`15:27.30`	`AGrayCat`	`its 404 billion`
`15:27.35`	`AGrayCat`	`404 billion.`
`15:27.48`	`Ghelae`	`Oh, just 23 million. And yes, I misread it.`
`15:27.56`	`AGrayCat`	`mhm`
`15:28.56`	`drom`	`10^9, 10^12, 10^15, 10^18, 10^21, 10^24`
`15:28.57`	`drom`	`hmm`
`15:29.40`	`Wormy__`	`The challenge then, would be to write about the Soyuz maintain equal status and opportunity for all it's members. Possible I should think, but it would have to work much better than our society.`
`15:29.40`	`Ghelae`	`So 23e6/404435e6 = 0.0057%. So I don't know how much you'll decrease the population by, but they're a very small proportion of the whole.`
`15:29.50`	`Ghelae`	`I don't know if that's what you want, of course.`
`15:30.01`	`AGrayCat`	`They are meant to be like Latvian Brazilians.`
`15:30.16`	`AGrayCat`	`a tiny, tiny amount of the population`
`15:30.25`	`Ghelae`	`23 million is fine then.`
`15:30.25`	`Wormy__`	`More specifically, equal representation.`
`15:31.19`	`AGrayCat`	`Equal representation... the democratic system is an ugly mess.`
`15:31.42`	`drom`	`NS - Facism stronk`
`15:31.58`	`Wormy__`	`DCP - yew dumbocracy`
`15:31.59`	`AGrayCat`	`NS? Something Sovereignity?`
`15:32.42`	`Wormy__`	`DCP is surprisingly better at our society when it comes to internal tolerance and representation`
`15:32.44`	`Vincent20100`	`drom: Commies stronk!`
`15:32.58`	`AGrayCat`	`hi little algolurn`
`15:33.12`	`AGrayCat`	`Algolurn is like Red Finland.`
`15:33.19`	`AGrayCat`	`I'm Bolshevist Russia.`
`15:33.30`	`Wormy__`	`But it lacks openness and self-criticism to be an open society, obviously`
`15:33.43`	`AGrayCat`	`What does Wormy__?`
`15:33.44`	`AGrayCat`	`DCP?`
`15:33.45`	`drom`	`NS - suka blyat, get off my new turf you dead meat!`
`15:33.47`	`Wormy__`	`Yes`
`15:33.50`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm`
`15:33.53`	`AGrayCat`	`DCP eh.`
`15:34.03`	`drom`	`AGrayCat: Nomatari Sovereignty`
`15:34.13`	`drom`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nomatari_Sovereignty`
`15:34.30`	`AGrayCat`	`hmm fascists...`
`15:34.55`	`drom`	`Not excatly facists, their ideology is one whole dispute`
`15:35.16`	`drom`	`I mean by definiation there is none that comes to my mind. Their policies are so alien.`
`15:36.50`	`Wormy__`	`I tried to alien up the DCP's concept of order`
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`15:37.17`	`drom`	`They also take pride in studying others' ideologies and alieniate the context.`
`15:37.25`	`Wormy__`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Society#Philosophy:_What_.27Order.27_means`
`15:37.31`	`AGrayCat`	`hi charles`
`15:37.41`	`AGrayCat`	`Oh, Order?`
`15:37.49`	`AGrayCat`	`To the Chostvan it means eh.`
`15:38.23`	`drom`	`That, some empires can see nomads from the Sovereignty, they are very optimistic and like to share their views to their fellows.`
`15:40.08`	`drom`	`Charles_Murray: In regard of the "power =/= hyperdrive" post, I meant that there are power cores that popullate the hyperspace through special radiation and other waste products, see DI's Singularity Core - it is a miniature black hole they are harvesting power from.`
`15:41.20`	`Charles_Murray`	`Right, while the French use Andasium, which probably has waste products.`
`15:41.34`	`AGrayCat`	`and we use Andasium too!`
`15:41.44`	`AGrayCat`	`Vincent20100: wheres that shipment of refined andasium?`
`15:42.03`	`Vincent20100`	`In the mail`
`15:42.08`	`Vincent20100`	`:p`
`15:42.14`	`AGrayCat`	`eh`
`15:43.52`	`drom`	`Charles_Murray: I gotta admit that I took too much pride in saying that Sovereignty are invisible from hyperspace due to their lack of hyperspatial popullation, "hyperspace signature". But granted, you can still easily find them due to their elevated EM signatures.`
`15:44.01`	`Wormy__`	`DCP use tachyon drives and the interstellar grid, not hypermatter to power ships (wormhole strapped to a star threaded with the starship)`
`15:44.03`	`drom`	`I was thinking of your hyperspace submarine, remember?`
`15:45.40`	`Wormy__`	`DCP's signature would be gravitational (and I assume repulsive gravitational waves exist as well, since the wormhole mouths will use exotic matter)`
`15:45.52`	`drom`	`I have been looking for a sublight warp technology lately, basically a drive that creates a bubble that lets the vessels to glide through realspace at sublight speeds without any inerita.`
`15:46.33`	`Charles_Murray`	`drom : Cool; Being unable to be detected in hyperspace is a special property in my fiction which comes with many drawbacks. Early silent gravitodynamic drives would be very very slow. You're also force to "emerge" every few hours in order to vent hypermatter buildup.`
`15:46.50`	`Wormy__`	`But then visualisation of tachyons to relativistic or newtonian observers is weird. I'm not sure sure what DCP vehicles would look like`
`15:47.44`	`Wormy__`	`It would be something like the explanation here, beneath the first gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon`
`15:47.57`	`Ghelae`	`drom: Warp drives can certainly work at sublight speeds. In real life they're more plausible than FTL ones.`
`15:48.27`	`Ghelae`	`There's no real difference between the technologies; FTL warp bubbles are just... more warped.`
`15:49.02`	`drom`	`Ghelae Wormy__ Charles_Murray: See https://youtu.be/r1i_4ELmKD4?t=36m11s`
`15:49.33`	`Wormy__`	`I forget that mass increases for taychonic "accelerations", so yeah DCP ships would have huge grav signatures, but only visible after they have left your light cone (I think)`
`15:49.37`	`drom`	`Just few teens of seconds until they will start mentioning about NAGGAROK's locomotive technology`
`15:49.53`	`Charles_Murray`	`drom : These properties make for a quasi-invisible ship (which can be detected at short range just because it occupies space), but would be rigidly impractical on every ship in the fleet.`
`15:51.02`	`drom`	`And later into the video, you'll eventually notice how incredibly fast NAGGAROK glides through realspace.`
`15:51.03`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`15:51.34`	`Wormy__`	`I think anything inside a warp bubble will appear to be moving greater than c, but anything on the skin of a warp bubble would be moving always lower than c`
`15:52.09`	`Wormy__`	`In Orion's Arm, warp bubbles exist but matter cannot exist inside`
`15:52.45`	`Ghelae`	`What about voidships?`
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`15:53.55`	`Wormy__`	`Why voidships cannot exceed c, I have no idea (unless I am wrong)`
`15:54.01`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`15:54.10`	`OluapPlayer`	`Hi`
`15:54.19`	`Wormy__`	`But the spacetime catapult seems to work as described`
`15:54.35`	`Ghelae`	`Voidships can't exceed c because of problems with warp bubble stability, but I was commenting on your claim that warp bubbles cannot have matter inside (without destroying said matter).`
`15:54.54`	`AGrayCat`	`Vincent20100: Where are your Andasium extractor pictures?`
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`15:55.14`	`Wormy__`	`It makes sense to me though, "what happens if a warp ship collides with a planet if it is not locally accelerating" . Matter around the warp bubble is locally accelerating, so energy is imparted`
`15:55.52`	`drom`	`I wonder how can one detect warp bubbles? Spacetime distortions to the outside observer?`
`15:56.00`	`Ghelae`	`Spacetime distortions, yes.`
`15:56.01`	`Wormy__`	`Gravitational waves I guess`
`15:56.13`	`drom`	`I see.`
`15:56.26`	`Ghelae`	`Not exactly gravitational waves. Maybe when the warp bubble is switched on or off, but not in transit.`
`15:56.32`	`Wormy__`	`Is there a difference if the gravity is positive or negative?`
`15:56.51`	`Ghelae`	`No.`
`15:57.06`	`Ghelae`	`Just like there's no difference between photons produced by positive charges and those produced by negative charges.`
`15:57.16`	`Wormy__`	`Yeah`
`15:57.25`	`Wormy__`	`Makes sense`
`15:57.33`	`Ghelae`	`It might mean you can have negative-energy gravitational waves.`
`15:57.56`	`Wormy__`	`I'm surprised nobody other than me has weaponised warp bubbles :P`
`15:57.59`	`drom`	`I guess I'll be including both sublight drives, sublight warp drives, far-jump drives, hyperdrives, that should be enough to grant my ships a wide range of versatility.`
`15:58.43`	`Wormy__`	`If my theory about collision with the outside of one is correct`
`15:58.52`	`Ghelae`	`But negative-energy gravitational waves might mean that gravitational radiation never actually happens. If the probability of emitting a positive-energy wave is close to that of emitting a negative-energy wave, on average they'll cancel out.`
`15:59.12`	`Wormy__`	`Although the original idea is that the warp bubble encloses a region with different constants`
`15:59.15`	`Ghelae`	`Wormy__: What do you think happens with collisions?`
`15:59.45`	`drom`	`Charles_Murray: NS - Ya all frogs are just making hyperspatial invisiblity harder to accomplish!`
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`16:00.53`	`ImpyDroid`	`Ghelae: Did you answer my question BTW?`
`16:00.56`	`ImpyDroid`	`Hi Pand`
`16:00.58`	`AdmiralPanda`	`hi all`
`16:01.02`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`16:01.02`	`Charles_Murray`	`Are you joking? I'm not sure I can tell`
`16:01.04`	`OluapPlayer`	`Hello`
`16:01.11`	`Ghelae`	`ImpyDroid: I'll copy the answers down for you. Again. :P`
`16:01.23`	`Ghelae`	`[14:53] <@Ghelae> That depends on why they can't normally eat meat. If it's simply a strong revulsion, you could disguise its appearance and flavour. That should work well for meat that's chopped up and put in a sauce, particularly something spicy like curry.`
`16:01.29`	`Ghelae`	`[14:53] <@Ghelae> If they're incapable of digesting meat then it becomes more tricky. That's going to be a problem of the enzymes that they have in their stomachs.`
`16:01.36`	`Ghelae`	`[14:53] <@Ghelae> Microscopic droplets of protease-filled acid, with the shells designed to burst in the stomach (and not beforehand), could be mixed in with the food.`
`16:01.45`	`drom`	`Charles_Murray: Both`
`16:02.05`	`ImpyDroid`	`It's more of the second than the first I guess`
`16:02.07`	`Ghelae`	`And then we discussed how some ungulates have been known to eat meat at times, so for them meat doesn't seem to be too indigestible, just unappetising.`
`16:02.09`	`AGrayCat`	`[16:00] <ImpyDroid> Hi Pand [16:00] <AdmiralPanda> hi all [16:01] <@Ghelae> Hello. [16:01] <Charles_Murray> Are you joking? I'm not sure I can tell [16:01] <@OluapPlayer> Hello`
`16:02.11`	`AGrayCat`	`oo`
`16:02.39`	`ImpyDroid`	`The basic idea was Cyrannian Radeons eating more meat than other Radeons because of Libertus influence`
`16:02.57`	`Ghelae`	`And gut flora not liking substances in meat is another possible factor. So something to modify that could help if necessary.`
`16:04.10`	`Ghelae`	`So in short, you could avoid going into biochemical details by saying that they take supplements that help them digest meat better.`
`16:05.15`	`Ghelae`	`It doesn't even need to be something that can be seen or tasted, so as far as appearances are concerned the food is normal.`
`16:07.04`	`Wormy__`	`I imagine the outside of the warp bubble has positive energy & momentum, inside has negative values. So if you was suddenley hit by a warping starship, while the ship (which isn't moving) much will not transfer much momentum, the positive mass component on the outside of the warp bubble will`
`16:08.28`	`Wormy__`	`Maybe like the shatter bomb in OA, causing spacetime to expand and contract, disintegrating matter.`
`16:08.30`	`Ghelae`	`This becomes problematic if you're supposing that, even in principle (if stability problems affect things), warp bubbles can travel faster than light. Then what's the momentum of matter on surface of the bubble then?`
`16:09.58`	`Ghelae`	`Although that problem might still exist with OA bubbles. IIRC the way they work is that matter inside the bubble gains negative momentum while the ship - attached to the outside of the warp bubble - gains positive momentum.`
`16:10.44`	`Ghelae`	`That might require the ship to be there, though, which isn't going to be possible if the bubble shoots off at FTL anyway.`
`16:10.56`	`OluapPlayer`	`ImpyDroid: I don't know if you noticed but I made the Aynach king and added him to the Empire page`
`16:11.10`	`ImpyDroid`	`Not yet, lemme see`
`16:11.24`	`Wormy__`	`Yeah`
`16:11.28`	`Ghelae`	`The main flaw is that a warp bubble doesn't necessarily need any matter on the outside. But if there is, then yes, that matter will have momentum in its direction of motion.`
`16:11.28`	`OluapPlayer`	`http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AEmpire_of_Man#Table_of_Governors`
`16:11.33`	`OluapPlayer`	`Tell me if it works`
`16:11.49`	`Wormy__`	`It almost made me wonder that the warp bubble shoots off and drags anything behind in it's wake`
`16:12.23`	`Ghelae`	`If not, a region of highly-warped spacetime hitting a spaceship could well do some damage to said spaceship's ability to remain intact anyway.`
`16:13.08`	`Ghelae`	`The warp bubble would shoot off if it accelerated too fast for the matter to stay attached to it. But you don't want to be in a ship accelerating that quickly anyway.`
`16:14.05`	`Ghelae`	`You know, being turned to red pulp against the floor and all that.`
`16:14.29`	`Wormy__`	`lol`
`16:15.10`	`AdmiralPanda`	`would you be pulped against the floor or the wall though?`
`16:15.58`	`Ghelae`	`Depends on the orientation. If you don't have artificial gravity (and often even if you have) then having the floor opposite the direction of acceleration is the best design plan.`
`16:16.00`	`Wormy__`	`Maybe it would like the Philadelphia experiment conspiracy, the crew's atoms would merge with the floor beneath forming molten re-mineralised surface called crewanium`
`16:16.32`	`Ghelae`	`Because when the ship accelerates, whatever surface is at the back end becomes the floor anyway.`
`16:17.29`	`Ghelae`	`If you do have artificial gravity then the same tech should be workable to counteract the acceleration and you can have walls and floors wherever you like.`
`16:17.50`	`Wormy__`	`I like this idea now. Perhaps it was the fate of the first Grimbolsaurian warp pilot`
`16:17.56`	`Ghelae`	`It's all carefully arranged really-really-heavy positive and negative masses really.`
`16:18.42`	`Ghelae`	`Positive masses provide the gravity; negative masses shield against gravity (make it like a faraday cage) and stop the ship from being stupidly heavy.`
`16:20.34`	`Wormy__`	`As much as I love this discussion, I have to go`
`16:20.37`	`Wormy__`	`bbl`
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`16:24.49`	`Imperios`	`Hi`
`16:25.20`	`AGrayCat`	`Imperios: !`
`16:25.22`	`AGrayCat`	`Hi`
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`16:30.13`	`AGrayCat`	`hi tekdroid`
`16:31.58`	`drom`	`me_irl.jpg http://img.memecdn.com/No-life_o_100391.jpg`
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`16:41.51`	`AGrayCat`	`Does anyone have a fully organic grox?`
`16:42.38`	`Ghelae`	`There's one on http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Grox`
`16:53.37`	`AdmiralPanda`	`to all the people who have human factions, I have a question for you: how would your people react to the discovery of a machine designed to look, act, think and feel human to the point that without practically cutting them open and looking, you couldn't tell they weren't human?`
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`16:59.37`	`Hachiman`	`Hai`
`16:59.41`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`16:59.56`	`AdmiralPanda`	`hi`
`17:06.07`	`TekDroid`	`AdmiralPanda: So basically one of the human Cylons?`
`17:06.21`	`Hachiman`	`What we talking bout?`
`17:06.29`	`AdmiralPanda`	`[02:53] <AdmiralPanda> to all the people who have human factions, I have a question for you: how would your people react to the discovery of a machine designed to look, act, think and feel human to the point that without practically cutting them open and looking, you couldn't tell they weren't human?`
`17:06.49`	`AdmiralPanda`	`TekDroid: in a way yeah`
`17:06.51`	`Hachiman`	`That's probably a thing that is commonplace in human nations`
`17:07.37`	`Hachiman`	`My interpretation of Space Japan has AI rights practically synonymous with human rights`
`17:07.44`	`Wormy_away`	`AdmiralPanda: If it is a true AGI, and capable of thinking like humans, then I would class it as a human, or in more general, a "Universal person"`
`17:07.49`	`Hachiman`	`I almost typed Space Jam for a moment`
`17:09.09`	`Wormy_away`	`It's thoughts under your definition after-all occupy the same space of all possible human thoughts, feelings and intuitions. Then why possibly can it not be human? "It's in the motion, not the matter", as Daniel Dennett and Douglas Hoftstadter say`
`17:10.20`	`Wormy_away`	`Of course, it may be a non-human universal person pretending to be human, but that wouldn't make a world of difference in the philosophy of mind many AGI thinkers are working with`
`17:10.46`	`Wormy_away`	`That would only prove it is capable of creativity, and so on.`
`17:12.09`	`AdmiralPanda`	`well that is what I'm getting at, said machines being where you would expect a person to be, doesn't matter either way since the general consensus is "makes no difference" and so the idea I had is irrelevant`
`17:13.04`	`Wormy_away`	`You'd be surprised how many modern thinkers would oppose this view, often with flawed thought experiments.`
`17:13.31`	`Wormy_away`	`And probably based on some subjective feeling or belief they have`
`17:14.38`	`Wormy_away`	`John Searle laughs off the idea of comoutational universality cheaply, point that beer cans interacting in the right order could simulate thought. Of course, that denies the universality of computation`
`17:15.05`	`Wormy_away`	`It's provable that you can build a computer out of billiard balls and a pool table with the right logic`
`17:16.15`	`Wormy_away`	`*provable`
`17:16.22`	`Wormy_away`	`Oh I did spell it right`
`17:16.33`	`Wormy_away`	`AGI would make mistakes too`
`17:16.47`	`Wormy_away`	`I'm very doubtful of the singularity`
`17:16.59`	`Wormy_away`	`creating unflawed superintelligences`
`17:22.35`	`AdmiralPanda`	`I still find it entertaining to no end that the fictionverse has become so sci-fi that it long since passed the kind of sci-fi I tend to like`
`17:22.43`	`Hachiman`	`hur`
`17:23.03`	`Hachiman`	`Lower-tier fiction works more towards that`
`17:23.18`	`Hachiman`	`Where ideas are still controversial and revolutionary`
`17:23.24`	`AdmiralPanda`	`of which there are hardly any :P`
`17:24.04`	`Wormy_away`	`SporeWikiverse is like a series of ponds, you can sit in what you like.`
`17:24.20`	`Wormy_away`	`And maybe wave your hand in another time to time.`
`17:24.44`	`Hachiman`	`Why would you sit in a pond`
`17:24.45`	`AdmiralPanda`	`Wormy: The problem is the kinds of ponds I tend to like are in another marsh :P`
`17:24.47`	`Hachiman`	`Your ass would get wet`
`17:25.35`	`Wormy_away`	`I see`
`17:26.27`	`drom`	`Wormy_away: Perhaps the best analogue of Sporewikiverse I've seen in a while.`
`17:26.41`	`AdmiralPanda`	`it is absolutely fair to say that the wiki is a diverse place with plenty of potential for stories, but at the same time it's also fair to say that by far the vast majority- and the vocal majority at that, is potential I either can't or don't want to work with, thus the problem`
`17:26.55`	`Wormy_away`	`I think it is good idea for everyone to explore other ponds, as I am doing in GXS.`
`17:27.06`	`Wormy_away`	`It is not my usual style of fiction`
`17:28.02`	`Wormy_away`	`But i don't think a cohesive structure of rules or central theme can be constructed for everyone. Like there is in OA`
`17:28.09`	`Wormy_away`	`*Orion's Arm`
`17:28.26`	`AdmiralPanda`	`it can't, and I don't expect one to exist`
`17:29.42`	`drom`	`You can build a world to your likning, but the problem is that it fits up to others' likning`
`17:29.54`	`AdmiralPanda`	`the problem that always comes around to bite me is that I rapidly lose interest the moment the scope goes beyond a small cast of characters, and that even when I do get into a story that I actually want to be a part of, it either flops entirely or I can't actually participate because timezones or Xho forgetting I exist`
`17:29.54`	`drom`	`if it*`
`17:30.34`	`AdmiralPanda`	`that last phrase was probably just a little too saline but hey, it happened three times so I have a right to be :P`
`17:31.07`	`Wormy_away`	`What I was saying was regarding what some people have envisioned in the past.`
`17:31.36`	`Wormy_away`	`Yeah I can see how that brings some comparability issues = I like to get as many people involved as possible in my fiction`
`17:31.58`	`Wormy_away`	`*compatibility`
`17:32.55`	`Wormy_away`	`The problem I face, is that either people don't always get long, or it only boils down to a couple of fictions playing a major role`
`17:40.37`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`17:41.18`	`AGrayCat`	`How is it so Sci-FI?`
`17:41.22`	`AGrayCat`	`i mean`
`17:41.26`	`AGrayCat`	`my flagships aren't sci-fi`
`17:41.36`	`AGrayCat`	`or anyone elses flagships ain't.`
`17:41.36`	`AGrayCat`	`right/`
`17:41.38`	`Hachiman`	`If they are spaceships`
`17:41.42`	`Hachiman`	`They are sci-fi`
`17:41.51`	`AGrayCat`	`Would you call Sputnik sci-fi?`
`17:41.56`	`Hachiman`	`Yes`
`17:42.04`	`AdmiralPanda`	`you clearly don't talk to Wormy much if you think this place isn't "so sci-fi" :P`
`17:42.32`	`AGrayCat`	`Show me please AdmiralPanda?`
`17:42.33`	`Hachiman`	`Or rather, you clearly do not hang around on the Fictionverse side of the wiki enough`
`17:42.43`	`AGrayCat`	`hey`
`17:42.47`	`AGrayCat`	`I'm only 7 days old here!`
`17:42.59`	`Hachiman`	`Intergalactic and extragalactic civilizations and such and you did not know this place was sci-fi oriented`
`17:43.00`	`AdmiralPanda`	`hellno, my head explodes just listening to Wormy going on about theoretical nonsense`
`17:43.04`	`AGrayCat`	`haci`
`17:43.06`	`AGrayCat`	`hachi`
`17:43.14`	`AGrayCat`	`i've sorta given up`
`17:44.11`	`drom`	`AdmiralPanda: Well, you should've seen Ghelae`
`17:44.33`	`AdmiralPanda`	`oh I'm quite aware of Ghelae too, but I judge Wormy to be the worst offender of that particular pair :P`
`17:44.33`	`AGrayCat`	`Hachi`
`17:44.35`	`drom`	`He likes calculating complex sci-fi answers`
`17:44.35`	`AGrayCat`	`It was a joke.`
`17:44.43`	`AGrayCat`	`eh`
`17:44.45`	`Wormy_away`	`Yeah, I have made heaps of speculative SF stories; truly alien life and exotic technology, But a few other users do as well.`
`17:44.52`	`AGrayCat`	`I would call the Fictionverse sci-fi.`
`17:44.56`	`AGrayCat`	`Heavy sci-fi.`
`17:44.59`	`Imperios`	`Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Qiranit_Radeon Finally finished this page`
`17:45.10`	`AdmiralPanda`	`day 7 lesson for you: Hachi is a dick. Like, a massive throbbingly erect dick, in all respects except the physical in which case he is quite the opposite.`
`17:45.25`	`drom`	`AGrayCat: I wouldn't call it heavy sci-fi: it is liquid sci-fi.`
`17:45.26`	`Wormy_away`	`Me and Ghelae as a duo are a force for reckoning :D`
`17:45.31`	`Hachiman`	`Aye]`
`17:45.34`	`drom`	`As in sci-fi with tons of nonsense`
`17:45.39`	`AdmiralPanda`	`I love how he doesn't even argue it`
`17:45.47`	`Wormy_away`	`I've decided I'm keeping the idea of "crewanium"`
`17:45.57`	`Hachiman`	`I am indeed a massive throbbing, sore and salty dick in all regards except the physical`
`17:46.13`	`Hachiman`	`In which case I am but a shell of what a man should be`
`17:46.41`	`drom`	`You are cleary going through a "man period"`
`17:46.52`	`Hachiman`	`I am always going through a man period`
`17:46.52`	`AGrayCat`	`Crewanium, wormy_away?`
`17:46.57`	`drom`	`See womens' "phase"`
`17:47.25`	`Hachiman`	`I guess you could call this "man period" a... MANstrual cycle`
`17:47.36`	`AdmiralPanda`	`hey now, menstrual jokes are just unacceptable, period.`
`17:47.41`	`Hachiman`	`kek`
`17:47.57`	`drom`	`olol`
`17:50.11`	`drom`	`It surprises me that Hachiman can survive soley on large amounds of Viagra.`
`17:50.36`	`drom`	`Wait, that was an obvious fact.`
`17:52.09`	`Hachiman`	`hur`
`17:52.14`	`Wormy_away`	`Crewanium, for anyone who wasn't there earlier http://pastie.org/private/ezvx1g13zp9w44fkr39pjg`
`17:52.35`	`Hachiman`	`I survive on it but only because if I do not ingest it, I will die after a period of time`
`17:52.54`	`drom`	`Hachiman: Like an unerect dick`
`17:53.02`	`Hachiman`	`If I stopped ingesting it, I would be boned`
`17:53.32`	`Wormy_away`	`how do you pee hur`
`17:54.31`	`drom`	`Wormy_away: It is simple, he goes out and pee a fountain on bystanders.`
`17:54.44`	`Wormy_away`	`lol`
`17:55.45`	`Imperios`	`Hachiman: So you're a transdick?`
`17:55.47`	`drom`	`Or even pretend to be the most vulgar fountain statue ever.`
`17:56.44`	`drom`	`I think I just found out who is Hachiman's cousin: He's Riddick`
`18:01.13`	`drom`	`Found a picture of a memorial dedicated to the long lost twin of Hachiman: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1b/46/97/1b469724c39adca974114a20466b0417.jpg`
`18:01.51`	`drom`	`Alright, I've crossed the line`
`18:04.28`	`drom`	`AdmiralPanda: http://i.imgur.com/bJOeBGh.jpg`
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`18:05.09`	`Hachiman`	`Sorry was afk`
`18:06.39`	`Hachiman`	`Ohgod that fucking Pearl Harbour joke`
`18:08.35`	`drom`	`Hachiman Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/1iFkpfi.png`
`18:08.58`	`Hachiman`	`hur`
`18:09.13`	`drom`	`Hachiman Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/vclE77i.jpg`
`18:09.58`	`drom`	`Wormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/P6Tw5rd.jpg`
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`18:10.56`	`drom`	`Wormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/6v44qBw.jpg`
`18:17.30`	`drom`	`Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/cnMGc7o.jpg`
`18:19.47`	`AGrayCat`	`drom`
`18:19.48`	`AGrayCat`	`reall`
`18:19.49`	`AGrayCat`	`really`
`18:20.08`	`drom`	`Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/uW5gjMg.webm`
`18:21.23`	`drom`	`Hachiman AdmiralPanda Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/U1cNKel.webm`
`18:25.54`	`drom`	`Charles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/wVcjd8Y.jpg`
`18:27.49`	`drom`	`http://i.imgur.com/BLRv6mF.webm`
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`18:34.02`	`Vincent20100`	`drom: tat Pearl Harbor joke...`
`18:34.34`	`drom`	`Fukushima 2015 http://imgur.com/gallery/o730b`
`18:38.17`	`AdmiralPanda`	`nice place`
`18:41.23`	`drom`	`OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/U1cNKel.webm`
`18:42.20`	`AGrayCat`	`h`
`18:42.21`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`18:42.59`	`Hachiman`	`That fucking Saitama`
`18:46.49`	`AGrayCat`	`well this is fun`
`18:47.02`	`AGrayCat`	`i made like 200 planet ecosystems i need to fill in now`
`18:47.15`	`AGrayCat`	`Vincent20100: On my userpage.`
`18:47.40`	`AGrayCat`	`actually`
`18:47.41`	`AGrayCat`	`i count 100`
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`18:47.45`	`AGrayCat`	`gotta add more`
`18:47.48`	`AGrayCat`	`muahahah`
`18:48.05`	`Vincent20100`	`I kept some of it just to not be at absolute 0 ^^`
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`18:49.50`	`AGrayCat`	`mhm`
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`19:20.48`	`AGrayCat`	`hi`
`19:23.38`	`AGrayCat`	`Any stories I should read?`
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`19:56.13`	`OluapPlayer`	`bah where's Xho`
`20:00.08`	`AdmiralPanda`	`bein dum`
`20:00.14`	`AdmiralPanda`	`like Random and his thanksgiving stuff`
`20:00.39`	`OluapPlayer`	`Turkey day`
`20:01.14`	`newbie30`	`Kebab`
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`20:07.18`	`OluapPlayer`	`dumba`
`20:09.05`	`Imperios`	`Hi`
`20:19.04`	`Imperios`	`OluapPlayer: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a0/Diederich_Nobleflame.png/revision/latest?cb=20151121221012 Holy shit that beard`
`20:19.08`	`Imperios`	`"I WANNA BE A DWARF"`
`20:19.25`	`OluapPlayer`	`You talk as if men can't have big bears`
`20:19.28`	`OluapPlayer`	`beards even`
`20:21.21`	`Imperios`	`I am not saying his beard looks bad`
`20:21.30`	`Hachiman`	`I suppose it kinda makes some sense`
`20:21.45`	`Hachiman`	`Dwarves and Aynachians share a connection to the Eastern Plains`
`20:21.50`	`AGrayCat`	`Any stories I should read?`
`20:21.53`	`OluapPlayer`	`I'm not saying you're saying it's bad dur`
`20:22.04`	`Hachiman`	`AGrayCat: Sci-fi or fantasy?`
`20:22.08`	`OluapPlayer`	`And no, that's dumb`
`20:22.09`	`AGrayCat`	`Sci-fi.`
`20:22.13`	`AGrayCat`	`essential storeis`
`20:22.15`	`AGrayCat`	`stories`
`20:22.18`	`OluapPlayer`	`He has a beard because he's a 63 old guy`
`20:22.24`	`OluapPlayer`	`63 year old even`
`20:22.53`	`Hachiman`	`I was just saying that it could be a fashion thing borrowed from the Dweorg; not all old people have Santa-style beards hur`
`20:23.08`	`Imperios`	`Admittedly`
`20:23.15`	`Imperios`	`Crusaders were forbiddent to shave`
`20:23.25`	`Hachiman`	`That also makes sense`
`20:24.06`	`AdmiralPanda`	`Crusaders were forbidden to shave because jesus`
`20:24.19`	`AdmiralPanda`	`well, not Jesus specifically, but it did have its roots in religion`
`20:24.37`	`Imperios`	`And who says Isiris's depictions in Aynach culture lack beards hur`
`20:24.48`	`Imperios`	`Aynachians are a fairly religious people after all`
`20:24.50`	`Hachiman`	`Isiris' depiction in Aynach is the sun`
`20:24.55`	`OluapPlayer`	`An eye with a beard would be somewhat freaky`
`20:25.04`	`Hachiman`	`AdmiralPanda: I assume this is a different reasoning to the reason Muslims do not shave?`
`20:25.13`	`Imperios`	`I think it's similar`
`20:25.19`	`AdmiralPanda`	`same basic reason actually`
`20:25.19`	`Hachiman`	`Or is it Sikhs that refuse to shave`
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`20:25.22`	`Hachiman`	`I cannot remember`
`20:25.26`	`AdmiralPanda`	`both`
`20:25.33`	`OluapPlayer`	`I suddenly forgot every character in this game capable of repairing equipment`
`20:25.50`	`Imperios`	`What Panda said`
`20:25.52`	`Hachiman`	`hur`
`20:25.53`	`AdmiralPanda`	`which game?`
`20:25.55`	`OluapPlayer`	`If Xho was here I could nag him at least`
`20:25.58`	`Hachiman`	`New Vegas`
`20:25.59`	`OluapPlayer`	`Fallout New Vegas`
`20:26.10`	`AdmiralPanda`	`Major Knight at mojave outpost for one`
`20:26.18`	`OluapPlayer`	`rite that works`
`20:26.18`	`Hachiman`	`inb4 Panda starts squirting from New Vegas mention`
`20:26.19`	`Imperios`	`So anyway him having a huge beard could be a reigious thing`
`20:26.28`	`AdmiralPanda`	`then you have Old Lady Gibson at the scrapyard north of Novac`
`20:26.33`	`OluapPlayer`	`He has a beard because he's old`
`20:26.46`	`Imperios`	`Him not shaving his huge beard`
`20:26.47`	`OluapPlayer`	`I don't know what's so difficult to grasp about an old guy having a beard`
`20:27.08`	`Hachiman`	`muh fluff`
`20:27.22`	`Hachiman`	`muh additional lore`
`20:27.28`	`Hachiman`	`muh symbolism`
`20:27.36`	`OluapPlayer`	`muh nitpicking more like`
`20:27.54`	`AGrayCat`	`Any stories I should read?`
`20:27.56`	`AGrayCat`	`essential storeis`
`20:28.13`	`Hachiman`	`Fuck sake you didn't get an answer the first four times, you're not going to get one now`
`20:28.21`	`Hachiman`	`No, there are no essential stories`
`20:28.27`	`Hachiman`	`Read whatever at your leisure`
`20:28.27`	`OluapPlayer`	`She can't repair my power armor`
`20:28.30`	`OluapPlayer`	`fuk u old lady gibson`
`20:28.54`	`OluapPlayer`	`Oh it's because I don't have enough caps`
`20:28.58`	`OluapPlayer`	`Okay my fault not hers`
`20:29.01`	`Imperios`	`I need to use the Table of Governors`
`20:29.11`	`OluapPlayer`	`You need to use anything at all`
`20:29.17`	`Imperios`	`Truth`
`20:29.22`	`Imperios`	`http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/df/Ambassador_Jecadia_Wyrmscale.png/revision/latest?cb=20140605195657 This one in particular`
`20:29.30`	`Hachiman`	`You need to use Ar-Klith`
`20:29.47`	`Hachiman`	`You also need to make fiction for the Western Continent`
`20:30.18`	`Imperios`	`I actually had a few ideas for Ar-Klith`
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`20:31.36`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Hi everyone`
`20:31.45`	`Hachiman`	`I also need people to suggest things about their Eastern Continent factions interacting with the Western Continent through impractical or implausible means because I have not had my daily autistic rage fit yet`
`20:32.09`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`20:32.16`	`Imperios`	`ZEPPELINS`
`20:32.16`	`OluapPlayer`	`shup, finish khaepsha-ultan`
`20:32.20`	`Imperios`	`SELLING DRUGS`
`20:32.38`	`AGrayCat`	`darn`
`20:32.39`	`AGrayCat`	`Hachiman`
`20:32.40`	`AGrayCat`	`I asked`
`20:32.45`	`AGrayCat`	`because i believe there are`
`20:32.50`	`AGrayCat`	`and since there is no timeline`
`20:32.51`	`Hachiman`	`There aren't`
`20:32.55`	`AGrayCat`	`mhm`
`20:32.55`	`Hachiman`	`There really aren't`
`20:32.59`	`AGrayCat`	`Any good ones to read?`
`20:33.03`	`DrodoEmpire`	`What's this about? XD`
`20:33.31`	`Hachiman`	`Seconnd Borealis Galactic War, Andromeda War, Ice Cube, Da Ice Cube Trials, etc`
`20:33.38`	`Hachiman`	`Ice Age even`
`20:34.00`	`Ghelae`	`Some stories are useful to know for a particular part of the universe, but generally you can get a good idea of history (even recent history) just by reading articles. Which is why no stories are essential.`
`20:34.30`	`AdmiralPanda`	`DrodoEmpire: Cat was asking if there were essential stories he should read`
`20:34.34`	`OluapPlayer`	`Oh fuck off`
`20:34.40`	`DrodoEmpire`	`Ahh`
`20:34.42`	`OluapPlayer`	`Right after I'm done selling and buying shit`
`20:34.43`	`OluapPlayer`	`Crash`
`20:34.47`	`Hachiman`	`Ouch`
`20:34.49`	`OluapPlayer`	`Gonna have to do it all over again`
`20:34.53`	`Ghelae`	`The Annihilation is the only really universe-wide story that's important to understand, and that can be summed as "nearly everyone in the universe dies, but almost none of them are major characters or belong to major empires".`
`20:35.28`	`AdmiralPanda`	`OluapPlayer: Have you met Cass yet?`
`20:35.30`	`Ghelae`	`The War of Ages would also be useful if we'd finished rewriting it, rather than only having just started rewriting it. But you can read it anyway if you like.`
`20:35.37`	`OluapPlayer`	`Ages ago`
`20:35.49`	`AdmiralPanda`	`on a scale of 1 to waifu, how much is she your fallout waifu?`
`20:35.55`	`OluapPlayer`	`1`
`20:36.03`	`OluapPlayer`	`She made me screw up my relations with the NCR`
`20:36.04`	`AdmiralPanda`	`you have clearly not spent enough time talking to her`
`20:36.12`	`AGrayCat`	`eh`
`20:36.13`	`AGrayCat`	`eh?`
`20:36.19`	`AdmiralPanda`	`so you shot the people instead of getting the evidence?`
`20:36.47`	`OluapPlayer`	`I couldn't find the evidence, so yes`
`20:36.57`	`AdmiralPanda`	`then you screwed up your relationship with the NCR :P`
`20:37.14`	`OluapPlayer`	`She did it, since she was so eager to shoot Whatsherface`
`20:37.41`	`AGrayCat`	`eh?`
`20:38.29`	`OluapPlayer`	`That led all of Crimson Company to gang up on me, a lot of people died and I ended up being known as "Merciful Thug"`
`20:39.13`	`AdmiralPanda`	`because you didn't send Cass home and employ our lord and saviour the stealth boy and wait button :P`
`20:39.49`	`OluapPlayer`	`I did use a Stealth Boy to do it, but apparently a guy got inside the building just as I blew her head off`
`20:40.02`	`OluapPlayer`	`Then in the midst of gunfire I accidentally quicksaved`
`20:40.46`	`OluapPlayer`	`It made me upset because I had to blow Ringo's head off too`
`20:40.46`	`AdmiralPanda`	`what I mean is, the evidence is in an otherwise unwatched safe in the Van Graff's building (the door is watched hence the stealth boy) and a safe that is unwatched at night in the crimson caravan company`
`20:41.10`	`OluapPlayer`	`Actually I had killed the Van Graff even before getting her quest`
`20:41.17`	`OluapPlayer`	`Van Graffs even`
`20:41.42`	`OluapPlayer`	`Trying to talk to anyone in there led me to being attacked by 4 guards at once, so I got annoyed and just killed everyone`
`20:42.03`	`OluapPlayer`	`Apparently everyone hated them so I doubt it's a problem`
`20:42.21`	`AdmiralPanda`	`so you didn't wait for Gloria to finish her business meeting like the thugs asked you to, basically`
`20:42.46`	`OluapPlayer`	`I did, she and the other guy just stood there in silence`
`20:43.06`	`AdmiralPanda`	`eh in that case bug`
`20:43.15`	`AdmiralPanda`	`was about to say, I was starting to see a pattern emerge :P`
`20:43.19`	`OluapPlayer`	`Bug made them ded and all of their ammo into my pockets`
`20:43.41`	`OluapPlayer`	`Which has not been used because I hardly use energy weapons`
`20:44.15`	`AdmiralPanda`	`I hardly use them either, too annoying to find more ammo`
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`20:45.51`	`OluapPlayer`	`Also how the hell are you supposed to get to the other side of the Hoover Dam? The only way I could find is inaccessible`
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`20:48.30`	`OluapPlayer`	`Goddamnit`
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`20:56.34`	`Imperios`	`ded`
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`21:40.21`	`drom`	`stupid freenode`
`21:49.45`	`drom`	`I've a question, everyone. What make most sense for a battle between space vessels in space-opera-like sci-fi; realspace or hyperspace?`
`21:50.57`	`Ghelae`	`Tactically speaking, I assume it would be best for any space force to be able to make use of both.`
`21:52.55`	`Ghelae`	`But in the SporeWikiverse hyperspace is more hazardous to do battle in, and hypermatter technologies should become increasingly less effective the deeper into hyperspace you go.`
`21:54.27`	`Ghelae`	`On the other hand, lowering your shields (and by extension the rest of your ship) into hyperspace means you'll be able to use them to block hyperspace weapons.`
`21:55.00`	`Ghelae`	`In that sense, all weapons fired in hyperspace are hyperspace weapons.`
`21:55.13`	`drom`	`I noticed`
`21:56.29`	`Ghelae`	`So, although decision-making will be more complicated than this, a rough guide could be: if your enemy has hyperspace weapons and relies on hypermatter power, go into hyperspace. If not, realspace is safer.`
`21:57.18`	`Ghelae`	`Which has the irony of "if your enemy has really advanced technology and you don't, go to the place that requires advanced technology to navigate".`
`21:59.17`	`drom`	`Yeah, I've started a development that the Nomatari Sovereignty would emphaize this irony`
`22:01.04`	`Ghelae`	`It's worth noting that if your enemy has hyperspace weapons (in the sense of weapons that can also exit hyperspace after being fired) and you don't, then going into hyperspace while they stay in realspace just allows them to hit you but not you to hit them.`
`22:02.42`	`Ghelae`	`Being in hyperspace does make you more difficult to target, but unless you threaten to suicidally leave hyperspace inside their own ships, you need to find some other good reason to make sure they join you in hyperspace.`
`22:03.59`	`Ghelae`	`If you outnumber them and don't mind getting cannon fodder killed, going to where their ships are and then leaving hyperspace could be fairly destructive.`
`22:04.31`	`Ghelae`	`Or sending your cannon fodder to where the enemy's ships are and then telling said fodder to exit hyperspace, I suppose.`
`22:05.06`	`drom`	`Well. I could have drone carrier ships`
`22:05.19`	`*** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0a1bb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.161.187)`
`22:05.36`	`Ghelae`	`Hello.`
`22:05.56`	`drom`	`Zerg rush the whole field with drones`
`22:06.36`	`Ghelae`	`Yes, that could work. Self-destructing drones would be especially effective. But then you've basically got guided hyperspace missiles.`
`22:07.32`	`Ghelae`	`So you don't have to worry about that weapons disadvantage in the first place.`
`22:07.37`	`*** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (65b7d6b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.183.214.180)`
`22:07.43`	`AdmiralPanda`	`and back`
`22:07.50`	`Ghelae`	`~give AdmiralPanda a cookie`
`22:07.50`	`infobot`	`ACTION gives AdmiralPanda a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up.`
`22:08.06`	`AdmiralPanda`	`atomises the cookie and inhales it`
`22:09.02`	`Ghelae`	`Atomised cookies are the best cookies for eating.`
`22:09.20`	`Ghelae`	`They have practically zero calories since you've destroyed all the chemical bonds.`
`22:13.52`	`AdmiralPanda`	`precisely`
`22:14.07`	`AdmiralPanda`	`plus they can be conveniently consumed in aerosol form`
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`22:45.11`	`Wormy_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:45.32`	`Hachiman`	`Fuck her right in the pussy`
`22:45.55`	`drom`	`Wormy_: Date her by challenging her on a marathon`
`22:45.57`	`Wormy_`	`Unfortunately when I was talking to her, I had a random coughing fit. So hopefully not blown it`
`22:46.01`	`Liquid_Ink`	`Alternatively, you could go to the Thursday speed session next week.`
`22:46.39`	`Wormy_`	`I think I'll take it easy`
`22:46.46`	`Wormy_`	`and do what Liquid says`
`22:51.38`	`*** join/#sporewiki drom_ (~drom@unaffiliated/drom)`
`22:51.52`	`Wormy_`	`I'm such a loser it takes me all this time to pick up on things`
`22:56.55`	`AdmiralPanda`	`eh my last girlfriend had to outright tell me they were serious (unbeknownst to all of you I'm actually a massive flirt 24/7)`
`22:58.24`	`drom_`	`I don't really like it when "hyperspace" make things more complicated`
`22:59.10`	`Hachiman`	`Meanwhile I have not been with a woman in over a year and my confidence around them, even talking to them casually, has been shattered by my experiences with my ex to the point I cannot talk to new girls anymore`
`22:59.48`	`Hachiman`	`I am actually a really shy and pathetic person and I do not need to pick up on women giving me hints for the sole reason that I know they are not giving me hints at all`
`23:00.11`	`Technobliterator`	`There are some people who have never been with a woman at all : \|`
`23:01.05`	`Wormy_`	`Like me`
`23:01.30`	`Wormy_`	`Never had a girlfriend. I'm habitually avoidant individual`
`23:01.36`	`drom_`	`I used to have a gf back when I was really young, but our ways sadly parted apart.`
`23:02.24`	`Wormy_`	`There was this girl in college now I think about it, who had a real crush on me but she left. But now I think she was teasing me`
`23:03.23`	`Wormy_`	`I'm quite sad that I avoided going to Costa Rica the other week`
`23:03.55`	`Wormy_`	`Then again that would have stuffed me over study wise I have a presentation and hand-in tomorrow`
`23:07.00`	`drom_`	`Oh fuck, you reminded me of that civics`
`23:07.42`	`Hachiman`	`kek`
`23:31.56`	`DrodoEmpire`	`test`
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