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| 00:09.20 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 00:15.50 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Oh, so I found something odd in Space Engineers planets. I tried to dig to the center of a moon but after around 1200m down (coincidentally 1/8th the moon's radius) everything except my character vanished. O.o |
| 00:16.38 | Wormy_ | You know, that friend that inspired me to get the game said he fell through the planet like that. |
| 00:16.52 | Wormy_ | Spatial anomalies |
| 00:17.20 | Wormy_ | I'm really amped up to play it now |
| 00:18.02 | Tek0516 | My drilling strategy was amusing. Repeated dropping of nuclear warheads into a crater. :P |
| 00:19.07 | Wormy_ | jebus |
| 00:19.43 | Wormy_ | I'm not going to be able to work out of sheer anticipation |
| 00:23.12 | Tek0516 | It's fun. I should continue my old Supercarrier ship |
| 00:23.36 | drom | Oooh. Which supercarrier? |
| 00:24.16 | Tek0516 | Just a giant impractical ship I was making in Space Engineers |
| 00:25.07 | Tek0516 | It's so many updates ago I probably need to overhaul it just to make you not die. |
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| 00:42.52 | drom | The_Randomness TekDroid AdmiralPanda: http://i.imgur.com/5TZG7n6.webm |
| 00:43.09 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 00:43.20 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 00:44.10 | drom | The_Randomness TekDroid AdmiralPanda Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/Jy0ganX.gif |
| 00:46.58 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/s94huRW.png |
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| 03:27.05 | Wormy_ | bye |
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| 03:54.29 | TekDroid | O.o How did I netsplit from the same server I'm on |
| 03:55.00 | DrodoEmpire | ayy |
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| 03:58.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 08:53.24 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 08:53.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:57.33 | AGrayCat | hello |
| 09:21.11 | AGrayCat | Hello??? |
| 09:22.04 | Ghelae | How many times do you want people to say "hello"? |
| 09:24.51 | AGrayCat | As many as they would like. |
| 09:24.57 | AGrayCat | Although you seem to be the only one talking. |
| 09:26.57 | Ghelae | Not everyone who is currently online is looking at IRC. |
| 09:39.34 | AGrayCat | hmmmm |
| 09:41.27 | Ghelae | This is a particularly quiet time of day, since quite a large number of us on SporeWiki are British, and in the range of teenagers to early-twenties, so most of them are probably asleep now. And on weekdays are often at work/school/uni early in the mornings. |
| 09:51.11 | drom | Thankfully is weekend for me |
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| 10:10.22 | AGrayCat | I'm British. |
| 10:10.47 | Ghelae | So am I. |
| 10:10.54 | AGrayCat | yay |
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| 10:27.45 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:28.28 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 10:29.45 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 10:32.50 | AGrayCat | What happens to the moon? |
| 10:34.48 | Hachiman | Same as it always is |
| 10:35.24 | AGrayCat | mhmnn |
| 10:58.20 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 10:59.40 | Liquid_Ink | Hi |
| 11:01.02 | AGrayCat | I'm writing up a peace treaty. |
| 11:02.20 | Liquid_Ink | Those are always good. |
| 11:06.47 | AGrayCat | uhuh |
| 11:06.54 | AGrayCat | Between Glistennaens and their old enemies |
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| 11:10.21 | AGrayCat | Hullo |
| 11:11.19 | AGrayCat | going live... |
| 11:14.17 | Liquid_Ink | Going live? |
| 11:14.24 | AGrayCat | it went up |
| 11:15.28 | AGrayCat | liquid |
| 11:16.52 | AGrayCat | I like some of your fiction. |
| 11:17.39 | AGrayCat | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vermulan_Autonomy |
| 11:17.40 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 11:17.44 | AGrayCat | How did that happen? |
| 11:19.37 | Liquid_Ink | Any specific part of it? |
| 11:21.50 | AGrayCat | eh |
| 11:21.53 | AGrayCat | the outside the galaxy part |
| 11:25.10 | Liquid_Ink | Outside the Gigaquadrant? |
| 11:26.12 | Liquid_Ink | A lot of fiction originates outside of the Gigaquadrant. The Junction, one of Oluap's fictions, springs to mind. |
| 11:26.13 | AGrayCat | uhuh |
| 11:26.22 | AGrayCat | But you can't make new galaxies |
| 11:28.14 | Liquid_Ink | They're not from another galaxy |
| 11:28.53 | AGrayCat | which one then? |
| 11:30.10 | Liquid_Ink | Strictly speaking, they're from the Milky Way, as they're a human offshoot. Their empire however originates in a nebulously defined xenoverse of which I have little intention of exploring in fiction, and is not restricted by the galaxy rule. |
| 11:31.19 | AGrayCat | that hurts my head |
| 11:31.20 | AGrayCat | anyway |
| 11:31.40 | AGrayCat | That means I can do my war collaboration in the fiction universe and not in a parallel one! |
| 11:33.04 | AGrayCat | great! |
| 11:33.17 | Liquid_Ink | What is the nature of your war collaboration? |
| 11:33.29 | AGrayCat | Glistennaen-Chostvan War |
| 11:33.43 | AGrayCat | revolving more around skirmishes and infantry battles with air support |
| 11:34.02 | AGrayCat | and just-above-the-sea battles |
| 11:35.05 | Liquid_Ink | What part of it needed a parallel universe? |
| 11:37.21 | AGrayCat | the entire part about the chostvans not exactly being from the gigaquadrant |
| 11:38.01 | Liquid_Ink | I see. |
| 11:38.40 | Liquid_Ink | Nag, there are plenty of fictions that are extragigaquadrantic. The Junction, the Xeranbha, the Shka-Tun, the Xhodocto, et cetera. |
| 11:39.13 | Ghelae | Although they were typically introduced before the Annihilation. |
| 11:39.50 | Ghelae | But in principle, if you don't go into any detail about the extragigaquadrantic territories, you're not violating the spirit of the "no new galaxies" rule. |
| 11:40.13 | Liquid_Ink | Maybe you could retroactively use the Annihilation to say they were from a galaxy that was destroyed by the Annihilation. |
| 11:43.15 | AGrayCat | I'm not going into detail. |
| 11:43.33 | AGrayCat | imagine what happens is as follows |
| 11:43.49 | AGrayCat | glistennaen national republic pokes chostvan union with a stick |
| 11:43.56 | AGrayCat | chostvans hit them over the head with a baseball bat |
| 11:44.08 | AGrayCat | glistennaens do the same in response |
| 11:45.23 | AGrayCat | they come to an agreement |
| 11:47.19 | AGrayCat | i was hoping to get the New Cyrannians in, but Cyrannian said they were busy. so eh. |
| 11:48.36 | Liquid_Ink | Collaboration can be tricky. |
| 11:49.04 | drom | Ghelae Charles_Murray: They know their priorities http://i.imgur.com/JdIqPUP.jpg |
| 11:50.27 | AGrayCat | mhm |
| 11:50.34 | AGrayCat | but i still want it to be collaborative |
| 11:50.42 | AGrayCat | because it is better and much more fun for everyone |
| 11:50.54 | Ghelae | drom: It'd be even more impressive if it didn't spill even when the gun was fired. |
| 11:51.22 | drom | Ghelae: Indeed, although there was this comment too: "What? Do you really want warm beer?" |
| 11:57.44 | AGrayCat | hmm |
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| 12:03.38 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:17.48 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 12:17.51 | AGrayCat | Who are you? |
| 12:18.05 | drom | Someone from Finland, doesn't speak so much |
| 12:21.31 | drom | Ghelae: How many American members, who has been an user on Sporewiki at least one year and is still active to an extent, do you believe? |
| 12:22.19 | drom | I only know Tybusen, Charles and Random. Something there is a fourth |
| 12:22.42 | Ghelae | That's all I can think of, and I wasn't sure about Charles. |
| 12:22.45 | Hachiman | Charles is American? |
| 12:24.27 | drom | The IP he is online from is American |
| 12:25.02 | drom | It also helps that he is mostly active at American time |
| 12:26.07 | drom | Anyway. Movin' on to Canadians: Drodo and Tek are the only two I know, anyone else? |
| 12:27.02 | drom | Oh, I know the fourth American now: Knight_Alien |
| 12:30.23 | drom | Movin' on to Australians |
| 12:30.31 | drom | Panda and Liquid |
| 12:30.45 | Liquid_Ink | You |
| 12:30.48 | Liquid_Ink | *yo |
| 12:31.30 | drom | Anyone else? Any kiwis represent? |
| 12:32.52 | Liquid_Ink | No kiwis that I know of. A pity really. |
| 12:35.10 | drom | More americans: Gorzill and Zilla |
| 12:35.25 | Hachiman | Gorzilla |
| 12:35.34 | drom | Yeah |
| 12:36.16 | drom | If there is one american more, then I've to move the American flags over the British |
| 12:36.35 | drom | grives |
| 12:38.51 | drom | Gah |
| 12:39.05 | drom | The British lost the lead to the Americans |
| 12:39.42 | AGrayCat | I'm British. |
| 12:39.50 | Liquid_Ink | Don't worry, the Commonwealth as a whole still outweighs the Americans. |
| 12:40.00 | AGrayCat | great. just great. |
| 12:40.08 | Ghelae | AGrayCat: drom's currently considering members active for at least one year. |
| 12:40.14 | AGrayCat | mhm |
| 12:40.17 | AGrayCat | i read that |
| 12:40.30 | Ghelae | And still active, so I suppose that's why Monet doesn't count. |
| 12:40.56 | AGrayCat | So |
| 12:40.58 | drom | Monet's still around albeit more absent |
| 12:41.26 | Ghelae | Otherwise his count would be: Americans: Tybusen, Charles, Random, Knight, Gorzil, Zilla; Brits: Ghel, Hachi, Jo, Wormy, Xho, Monet. 6 each. |
| 12:41.28 | drom | Plus I impiled "active to an extent" |
| 12:41.48 | drom | Ghelae: Glynn Tyrant |
| 12:41.53 | drom | He is American |
| 12:42.02 | Ghelae | So that brings it to 7. |
| 12:42.07 | drom | Glynn Tarrant* |
| 12:42.10 | AGrayCat | I had a list of ideas for the future: |
| 12:42.32 | drom | Yeah, plus there is two who I couldn't locate: Valader and Ecoraptor |
| 12:42.40 | drom | Big chance that they are as well Americans |
| 12:42.49 | Ghelae | The fact that Val made one edit today doesn't make him active. :P |
| 12:43.38 | AGrayCat | So |
| 12:43.48 | AGrayCat | Would anyone be willing to join the minor collaboration idea? |
| 12:44.23 | drom | Let's not forget GD12 |
| 12:44.44 | Hachiman | Valader is Hispanic as far as I know |
| 12:44.54 | drom | American! |
| 12:45.00 | drom | Amuricans: 8 |
| 12:45.02 | Hachiman | Mexico is not part of the US |
| 12:45.03 | Ghelae | The only clue I can find for Ecoraptor is that the Waptoria Alliance of Species page uses "colonisation" rather than "colonization", so probably not American. |
| 12:45.20 | Liquid_Ink | Hispanic is not Mexico. |
| 12:45.34 | Ghelae | AGrayCat: So, is this the war you've been describing? |
| 12:45.38 | AGrayCat | uhuhhh |
| 12:46.12 | drom | Hispanic does mean spanish-speaking minority in US eh? |
| 12:47.17 | Ghelae | Did Hachi mean Hispanic American or did he mean Mexican? |
| 12:47.33 | AGrayCat | So, Ghelae, opinion on my project? |
| 12:47.44 | Ghelae | No opinion so far. |
| 12:48.07 | AGrayCat | I was hoping to have a few nations involved. |
| 12:48.45 | Ghelae | There's no reason I can see for Apalos to get involved right from the start. You could start writing the war and see if the plot interests anybody. |
| 12:49.39 | AGrayCat | eh. |
| 12:50.31 | drom | Moving on to non-anglo nationalities |
| 12:50.50 | drom | Cyrannian (Irish), Imperios (Russian), me (Swedish) |
| 12:50.54 | drom | Anyone else? |
| 12:51.08 | Liquid_Ink | Dino is Dutch |
| 12:51.16 | drom | Oluap is Brailian |
| 12:51.19 | drom | Brazilian* |
| 12:51.24 | drom | Good |
| 12:52.17 | AGrayCat | What ranking on the Kardashev scale would the Chostvans be? |
| 12:52.22 | Liquid_Ink | Isn't one of us Hong Kongese? |
| 12:52.42 | Ghelae | AGrayCat: Type II is typical. |
| 12:52.50 | drom | Yeah, but he went offline last year iirc |
| 12:53.13 | drom | LawfulInsane iirc |
| 12:53.14 | Ghelae | Type II is anything between being able to harness all the power of a single star to all the power of hundreds of billions of stars. |
| 12:53.31 | AGrayCat | Type III? |
| 12:54.09 | AGrayCat | Is anyone Type III? |
| 12:54.10 | Ghelae | Type II is being able to harness all the power of hundreds of billions of stars (i.e. entire large galaxies). |
| 12:54.12 | Ghelae | III* |
| 12:54.19 | AGrayCat | yes, is anyone Type III? |
| 12:54.47 | Ghelae | Some of the largest superpowers and hyperpowers might be, although directly from using dyson spheres but from vast amounts of hypermatter power. |
| 12:55.12 | Ghelae | DCP, CyraEmp, and extragigaquadrantic powers such as the Junction and Xeranbha. |
| 12:55.56 | AGrayCat | Chostvans are meant to be a large hyperpower that crushed the Glistennaens centuries ago, gigantic population, however a very minor footprint in the Gigaquadrant. |
| 12:56.02 | Ghelae | If you look at the infoboxes you'll probably find a lot more labelled Type III just because the person writing that thought it meant "galactic in size" rather than "power output of an entire galaxy". |
| 12:56.39 | Ghelae | Sometimes people also think that harnessing the supermassive black hole at the galactic centre is also enough for Type III status. It isn't. |
| 12:59.32 | AGrayCat | mhm |
| 13:00.27 | AGrayCat | so |
| 13:01.16 | AGrayCat | well? |
| 13:02.11 | Ghelae | I can't decide for you. My suggestion is still a high Type II. |
| 13:03.01 | AGrayCat | How many star systems colonised? |
| 13:03.49 | Ghelae | Are you asking me to decide how many star systems the Chostvans should own, or how many would be required for Type III? |
| 13:04.19 | AGrayCat | Required. |
| 13:04.27 | AGrayCat | They aren't going to be Type III. |
| 13:04.33 | AGrayCat | I'm trying to go below the required limit. |
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| 13:05.52 | Ghelae | With hypermatter power, which is basically one of SporeWiki's forms of magic, a few million systems could in principle demand and receive a large enough power supply to make Type III. |
| 13:05.55 | drom | Here's all the flags of active users who has been here for at least one year! http://i.imgur.com/Q3k9FpK.png |
| 13:06.33 | Ghelae | Without hypermatter, and without astroengineering such as dyson spheres, a civilisation could have colonies in every star system in a galaxy and still not be Type III. |
| 13:06.50 | Ghelae | ~give Wormy_ a cookie |
| 13:06.50 | infobot | ACTION gives Wormy_ a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up. |
| 13:07.10 | Wormy_ | Funnily enough, I just had one. |
| 13:07.10 | AGrayCat | What is Type IV? |
| 13:07.27 | AGrayCat | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Junction |
| 13:07.52 | Ghelae | Type IV is a debateably useless concept. It's variously taken to mean "controls the power output of an entire galactic cluster" to "controls the power output of an entire universe". |
| 13:08.06 | Wormy_ | Traditionally, Type IV civs had the power output (or power equal to) a galactic supercluster, or a number of quasars. |
| 13:08.12 | Ghelae | There is a mathematical definition of the Kardashev scale... |
| 13:08.15 | Ghelae | looks it up |
| 13:08.33 | drom | Which is lot |
| 13:08.56 | Wormy_ | However Ghel is right really, it doesn't really give much definition of tech, its and is vague about scale depending on who is talking about it. |
| 13:09.02 | Ghelae | ...which gives Type IV as having the power output of 10 billion Milky Way galaxies. |
| 13:09.21 | AGrayCat | someone needs to fix the darn junction up |
| 13:09.36 | Ghelae | In that case, each Type has 10 billion times as much power as the Type below it. |
| 13:10.10 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/KYEVUYn.webm |
| 13:10.23 | AGrayCat | No offence drom |
| 13:10.27 | AGrayCat | but if yer sendin em to wormy alone |
| 13:10.30 | AGrayCat | why not use PM? |
| 13:10.40 | Ghelae | So in principle, a civilisation using Type I technology on each of its planets could become Type II just by having 10 billion similar planets. |
| 13:10.52 | drom | AGrayCat: It is no personal thing |
| 13:11.06 | AGrayCat | You address them to Wormy_ though? |
| 13:11.21 | Wormy_ | Well, other people might like it too. |
| 13:11.38 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/7dhmtQm.jpg |
| 13:11.52 | Hachiman | Oh fuck |
| 13:11.56 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/lOuNcWa.png |
| 13:12.07 | Hachiman | olol |
| 13:12.15 | drom | That guys looks like MacGuffin though |
| 13:12.47 | Wormy_ | GXS guys might want to see this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism/Inheritance |
| 13:13.19 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/HWq7n9A.jpg |
| 13:13.34 | OluapPlayer | Wormy wrote something, gasp gasp |
| 13:14.44 | AGrayCat | What population would a 582,398 planet large empire have? |
| 13:15.15 | Ghelae | Depends on the population of the planets. |
| 13:15.31 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/SXwhiJC.jpg |
| 13:15.50 | Ghelae | Average planetary population ~1 billion gives a total population ~600 trillion. |
| 13:16.36 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/Y40lTx4.png |
| 13:17.26 | Wormy_ | Voraamach was originally called veramach, then I realised that sounds a bit close to the Wehrmacht |
| 13:18.47 | AGrayCat | indeed |
| 13:19.54 | Wormy_ | Probably subconscious. The DCP is basically is where I pour my fears of authoritarian societies |
| 13:21.01 | AGrayCat | uh |
| 13:21.09 | AGrayCat | is there a max population cap |
| 13:21.49 | Ghelae | No. But if your population seems unrealistic then people will tell you. |
| 13:21.59 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 13:22.00 | AGrayCat | also |
| 13:22.07 | AGrayCat | so |
| 13:22.11 | AGrayCat | you think 600 trillion? |
| 13:22.42 | AGrayCat | The DCP only has 150. |
| 13:22.55 | AGrayCat | and it has 1,000,000 planets |
| 13:23.04 | Wormy_ | 100000000000000000000000000000000.1 citizens!11!!11! |
| 13:23.08 | Ghelae | 150 trillion over one million planets is an average population of 150 million per planet. |
| 13:23.31 | AGrayCat | Is that a good amount? |
| 13:23.39 | AGrayCat | I have 500,000 planets though |
| 13:23.44 | AGrayCat | 582,398 actually |
| 13:23.56 | Wormy_ | The DCP population is probably higher. However most of its people do not live on planets. |
| 13:24.10 | Ghelae | As I said, if your population seems unrealistic then people will tell you. |
| 13:24.23 | Ghelae | But the overall population isn't where the realism comes from. |
| 13:24.38 | Ghelae | The realism is a matter of a) how many planets do you have and b) how many people do you have on each planet. |
| 13:25.01 | Ghelae | The overall population depends on those two things; there's not an additional factor that might make it unrealistic. |
| 13:25.20 | drom | I think I'm just going to make up a function so I can get a curve that's expotentional to amount of planets and population |
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| 13:26.35 | Wormy_ | DCP probably has more systems too. When I wrote those figures, it was acceptably big but now its a bit small |
| 13:26.45 | Ghel | drom: What you'd want is a function that describes how the population of a civilisation is distributed among its planets. Then integrate that with respect to the number of planets. |
| 13:27.12 | Ghel | [Total number of planets] * [average population per planet] is quicker, though. :P |
| 13:27.29 | Wormy_ | Programmers like a challenge |
| 13:27.35 | drom | Ghel: Yeah, though I meant that the more planets, there more densily populated planets there will be present |
| 13:28.04 | Ghel | Yes. So a sort of planetary population density function. |
| 13:28.18 | drom | Then using that to calculate the total population |
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| 13:29.35 | Ghel | My first thought would be a normal distribution, but perhaps something like a chi-squared would be more accurate. |
| 13:30.35 | drom | Hm, what do you mean? |
| 13:31.19 | Wormy_ | I theorise that planets might only be useful for agriculture, or cultural purposes (and a few select materials like lime)... Its easier and cheaper to mine and process ores in space. Its easier to gather energy using mirrors or magnetic containment loops. Space habitats provide greater engineering and optimisation of cities and populations. Much of the industry in space = means much of the population is. |
| 13:31.37 | Ghel | I'm considering what the basic assumptions would be. An exponential curve would fit an expansion where the highest number of colonies are the least-populated ones. |
| 13:31.54 | Wormy_ | Planets are not completely useless for civilisations like the DCP, must pretty specialist |
| 13:32.24 | Ghel | But if these colonies are populated more quickly than they're created, then there'll be a much smaller number of low-population settlements while most planets will have a small but intermediate number of inhabitants. |
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| 13:33.03 | Ghel | To take into account space habitats etc., this is why we should talk about systems rather than planets. |
| 13:33.06 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 13:33.27 | Hachiman | Xho |
| 13:33.32 | Xho | wat |
| 13:33.37 | Xho | Hello btw |
| 13:33.38 | drom | Ghel: Ah yes, that's true |
| 13:33.40 | Hachiman | Nothing, just saying your name hur |
| 13:33.41 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 13:33.41 | drom | Hello Xho |
| 13:33.50 | Wormy_ | Obviously some materials like limestone aren't going to form in space, and is plentiful on some kinds of planets |
| 13:38.48 | Ghel | drom: A chi-squared distribution, giving the probability that a measurement will give "x" given a parameter "k", is exp(-x/2) for k=2. But I don't think it ever quite becomes a normal distribution. |
| 13:39.32 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/74/Zhuleshxi_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20151117233246 I posted this like 5 years ago, for those who didn't notice |
| 13:39.39 | Ghel | But if you did use that, it's a (relatively) simple case of determining how "x" relates to the population of a system and "k" relates to the colonising-vs.-populating tendencies of the civilisation. |
| 13:42.54 | Hachiman | http://news.yahoo.com/frog-gorilla-no-pig-dog-132643448.html;_ylt=A0LEV7ryr1BWUFQAgY0nnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByaWg0YW05BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg |
| 13:43.45 | Wormy_ | seen that deformity |
| 13:44.05 | Wormy_ | It doesn't effect their health I don't think |
| 13:44.34 | drom | Ghel: I noticed that the formula is "sigma((observed - expected)^2 / expected) |
| 13:44.39 | Hachiman | From what I know, Pig is as healthy as can be |
| 13:44.42 | drom | equals x^2 |
| 13:45.44 | Wormy_ | drom: http://imgur.com/gallery/Y1gSN |
| 13:45.54 | Ghel | For a normal distribution? Probability is proportional to ("x" - mean)^2/(2*variance) |
| 13:46.02 | drom | You gave me that yesterday, Wormy |
| 13:46.21 | drom | Ghel: Oh, I meant for the chi-squared |
| 13:46.26 | Wormy_ | oh |
| 13:47.00 | Ghel | Where do you get that from? |
| 13:47.12 | drom | Ghel: Also, what would "mean" and "variance" be respectively? |
| 13:47.33 | Ghel | The mean is the average value, and the variance describes the width of the distribution. |
| 13:47.38 | drom | Ghel: Wikipedia and numerous of math sites after a quick googling about "chi-squared formula" |
| 13:47.44 | drom | I see |
| 13:48.30 | Ghel | Oh. It sounds like you're describing the chi-squared *test*, not the chi-squared *distribution*. |
| 13:48.50 | drom | oh |
| 13:49.24 | Wormy_ | Sure have been a lot of instances of "oh" in the last few minutes. |
| 13:50.18 | drom | Oh? Perhaps we should introduce "International day of 'oh'"? |
| 13:50.18 | Ghel | Looking at things, you coul use the gamma distribution. |
| 13:50.38 | Ghel | That does converge to the normal distribution, apparently. |
| 13:51.53 | Ghel | And chi-squared and exponential. So I'd currently recommend gamma. |
| 13:53.39 | Ghel | You actually have all of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_probability_distributions#Supported_on_semi-infinite_intervals.2C_usually_.5B0.2C.E2.88.9E.29 to choose from. I will understand if you don't want to go through all of them. |
| 13:57.35 | Ghel | "Supported on a bounded interval" could be even more accurate, if you want to provide an upper limit to system population. |
| 13:58.20 | drom | Ghel: I've already made this http://i.imgur.com/xIZuacj.png |
| 13:58.35 | Ghel | Okay. |
| 13:59.00 | drom | Based on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_distribution#Probability_density_function |
| 13:59.49 | AGrayCat | ok |
| 13:59.55 | AGrayCat | I've decided on a population |
| 14:01.35 | Wormy_ | drom: dnno if true but hilarious all the same http://imgur.com/gallery/qvaLxAO |
| 14:03.12 | AGrayCat | so |
| 14:03.15 | AGrayCat | anyone got any pop ideas |
| 14:05.14 | AGrayCat | because i'm really confused on it |
| 14:05.25 | Ghel | What's the one you've decided on? |
| 14:05.29 | AGrayCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.57 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/SzeZYgX.png |
| 14:06.01 | Ghel | So you're saying you have a number of planets but not a total population? |
| 14:07.04 | AGrayCat | uhuh |
| 14:07.08 | Ghel | Right. So how many people do you think should live on each planet? |
| 14:07.14 | AGrayCat | depends |
| 14:07.24 | AGrayCat | It will vary. |
| 14:07.24 | Ghel | So what do you think the average should be? |
| 14:07.26 | Wormy_ | I lolled http://imgur.com/gallery/5vVW0 |
| 14:07.39 | AGrayCat | frontier colonies won't have large populations |
| 14:07.41 | AGrayCat | Wormy_ |
| 14:07.47 | AGrayCat | according to my calculations |
| 14:07.59 | AGrayCat | you have an average of 2 minutes between posting random pictures |
| 14:08.59 | Ghel | So the next simple estimate, rather than just [average pop per planet]*[number of planets], is to divide the planets into some categories. |
| 14:09.05 | AGrayCat | ok |
| 14:09.16 | AGrayCat | if we have 582,398 'planets' |
| 14:09.35 | Ghel | For example, you might just say that there are frontier worlds and developed worlds. Then what's the average population of a frontier world, and what's the average population of a developed worl? |
| 14:09.37 | Ghel | world* |
| 14:09.45 | AGrayCat | lets change that to planets, moons, and asteroids |
| 14:10.34 | Ghel | We could just say systems. A system with just one developed world will have the bulk of its population in that world and other colonies there will make little difference. |
| 14:10.49 | AGrayCat | For example: Tatooine from Star Wars has around 200,000 pop. Barren, outer planet. Not very major. |
| 14:10.55 | Ghel | Meanwhile, a system with only fronteir colonies, even if there are a lot of them, might not have the population of even a single developed world. |
| 14:11.16 | AGrayCat | indeed |
| 14:11.25 | AGrayCat | What about Homeworld Systems? |
| 14:11.29 | Ghel | Okay. So if you want that as your example, say that frontier systems have an average population of 200,000. |
| 14:12.00 | Ghel | Then developed systems... that's less clear. You'd want it to be large compared to the frontier, so a minimum of tens of millions. |
| 14:12.03 | AGrayCat | that would be tatooine alone. |
| 14:12.07 | drom | Help, the calculation is too much for GeoGebra |
| 14:12.39 | Ghel | Earth currently has >7 billion, so ~10 billion might be acceptable for a near-future interplanetary humanity. |
| 14:13.12 | Ghel | So I suggested ~1 billion as a middle ground. |
| 14:13.16 | AGrayCat | Chostvans have been spacefaring for ages. |
| 14:13.25 | Wormy_ | Python or C++ is probably a good choice for mathematical formulae |
| 14:13.32 | AGrayCat | Practical hyperpower. |
| 14:13.46 | drom | Wormy_: True, except you cannot see the curve since it all is CLI |
| 14:13.54 | AGrayCat | The Chostvans also run a socialist syndicalist worker's self-management economy though. |
| 14:14.15 | Wormy_ | Yeah, you'll need some libraries and a program to run them in |
| 14:14.19 | Ghel | So say 10 billion. Remember, for all of their developed systems to have a population in the billions, the population does need to grow a lot from the original settlers. |
| 14:14.28 | Wormy_ | I was going to say Javascript but I know you hate that |
| 14:14.28 | AGrayCat | only 207 of the planets, asteroids, and moons are in the gigaquadrant however. |
| 14:14.42 | AGrayCat | Chostva is the home planet of the Soyuz. |
| 14:14.47 | drom | Wormy_: Of course I hate JS, it would also take more of my time |
| 14:14.53 | AGrayCat | literally every major species evolved in Chostva |
| 14:14.54 | Ghel | Then, how many systems are frontier systems and how many are developed? |
| 14:14.56 | Wormy_ | Indeed, its so clunky |
| 14:15.05 | AGrayCat | I'd say we have a few Core Systems. |
| 14:15.07 | AGrayCat | A few. |
| 14:15.11 | Wormy_ | Not even properly object oriented |
| 14:15.15 | AGrayCat | Around... 50? |
| 14:15.33 | drom | Although, I can survive with CLI, all I need is to know the distribution of population on a set number of planets |
| 14:15.54 | AGrayCat | then lets put something together, eh? |
| 14:15.57 | Ghel | In that case, we have 500 billion from the core and ~100 billion from the frontier. |
| 14:16.12 | AGrayCat | 600 billion? |
| 14:16.23 | Ghel | Something around that, yes. |
| 14:16.24 | AGrayCat | Glistennaens have darn 300 billion! |
| 14:16.29 | AGrayCat | And Delpha 150 trillion. |
| 14:16.40 | AGrayCat | The Chostvans would be a galactic joke. |
| 14:17.24 | Ghel | That's what happens when <0.00001% of your systems are developed. |
| 14:17.54 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 14:18.08 | AGrayCat | How does this sound? |
| 14:18.19 | AGrayCat | An established core population, and an unknown universal population. |
| 14:19.04 | Ghel | So you're just leaving the population as "unknown"? |
| 14:19.13 | Ghel | You can do that. |
| 14:19.40 | drom | Wormy_ Ghel: Do any of both you know the C++ function for the mathematical "e"? |
| 14:19.53 | Ghel | No, but I would have guessed "exp"/ |
| 14:19.57 | Ghel | .* |
| 14:20.15 | drom | ah yes, it is the exp, gonna try it |
| 14:20.17 | AGrayCat | Okay |
| 14:20.20 | AGrayCat | Two established populations |
| 14:20.25 | AGrayCat | Gigaquadrant and Core |
| 14:21.11 | Ghel | It'll be best to say that only the Gigaquadrant population is known. |
| 14:21.32 | Ghel | Otherwise you become close to violating the "no new galaxies" rule by describing an extragigaquadrantic population. |
| 14:21.48 | AGrayCat | eh |
| 14:21.53 | Wormy_ | I haven't really used C++ beyond scripting in Ue4/UDK |
| 14:21.59 | AGrayCat | exclaiming the population of the Core wouldn't really do much in my opinion. |
| 14:22.00 | Wormy_ | mean to though |
| 14:22.05 | AGrayCat | just add to the bone. |
| 14:23.26 | Ghel | You aren't really describing any numbers now, though. |
| 14:23.57 | AGrayCat | damn it |
| 14:24.03 | AGrayCat | i published too early while experimenting |
| 14:24.21 | AGrayCat | though that by pressing the enter key i could jump a space and make it like the mou'cyran accords with a space between members |
| 14:24.23 | AGrayCat | But NO. |
| 14:24.25 | AGrayCat | great. |
| 14:24.46 | AGrayCat | what code do i use for that? |
| 14:25.13 | AGrayCat | What could the gigaquadrantic population be.... |
| 14:25.15 | AGrayCat | hmm... |
| 14:25.33 | Ghel | The enter key should work for adding line spaces, but you need to make sure the text box is selected. |
| 14:26.01 | AGrayCat | i was using the infobox but eh |
| 14:26.08 | AGrayCat | one moment |
| 14:26.23 | Ghel | Oh. You were using the form. Okay. |
| 14:26.33 | Ghel | Yeah; use <br /> to add line breaks in an infobox. |
| 14:27.04 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 14:27.17 | drom | Ghel: Was it a good idea to use the probability density function of the gamma distribution? |
| 14:27.39 | drom | Just making sure that I'm not trippin in a pitfall |
| 14:27.44 | Ghel | It's what I suggested. That doesn't make it a good idea. :P |
| 14:28.02 | AGrayCat | 200 billion in the gigaquadrant |
| 14:28.04 | AGrayCat | doesn't seem right |
| 14:28.05 | drom | hur |
| 14:28.09 | AGrayCat | i'll bump it down to a few billion |
| 14:28.24 | AGrayCat | 33 billion for 207 planets |
| 14:28.25 | AGrayCat | seems good |
| 14:28.36 | drom | Ghel: But crap, I don't even know what the k and the o stand for |
| 14:29.06 | Ghel | That's what we need to figure out. Looking at how the gamma distribution varies with those two we can make an educated guess. |
| 14:29.18 | drom | The formula in question: http://i.imgur.com/UuRa0E4.png |
| 14:30.02 | drom | When inserted in a visualizer, the curve is very very narrow |
| 14:30.27 | drom | I mean, it starts like at 1, but diminshes away to 0 |
| 14:30.38 | drom | (y-value in question) |
| 14:30.50 | Ghel | The distribution becomes exponential for k=1 and gaussian for large k, so k measures settling vs. populating of new systems. |
| 14:32.11 | Ghel | So for k=1, systems are colonised far more quickly than they're populated. Increasing k increases the populating-to-settling ratio. |
| 14:33.17 | Ghel | Now if ko is the mean for large k, then o is simply the mean planet population divided by k. |
| 14:33.33 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QJJFFtf |
| 14:33.34 | Ghel | So it basically scales the height of the distribution. |
| 14:33.36 | Wormy_ | awww |
| 14:34.59 | Ghel | Wait; mean = ko always. So that makes it easier. |
| 14:35.11 | drom | Hm, I'll be testing x = 1 , k = 1, o = 1 |
| 14:35.20 | Ghel | No. |
| 14:35.32 | Ghel | You plot a graph of probability against x. |
| 14:35.48 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/pUYvKml |
| 14:36.05 | Ghel | Setting the value of x just gives you the height of the function at a given x, when you want the whole distribution. |
| 14:36.43 | drom | "908914488" |
| 14:36.46 | AGrayCat | hullo |
| 14:36.53 | drom | That was the output for 1,1,1 |
| 14:37.36 | Ghel | That's because the gamma function diverges for 1. |
| 14:37.52 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/B7652 |
| 14:37.55 | Ghel | No, it doesn't. |
| 14:37.58 | Ghel | Or it shouldn't. |
| 14:38.08 | Ghel | But I don't know why you should get such a huge number there. |
| 14:38.33 | drom | probably because I used the wrong format? printf("%d", gamma_distribution(1,1,1)); |
| 14:39.02 | drom | The formattion list is long and I cannot graps them all |
| 14:39.29 | Ghel | You really need to plot it as a graph to see if it looks how it's supposed to. |
| 14:40.18 | Wormy_ | I was about to suggest showing the output to Ghelae |
| 14:40.53 | drom | after swapping the out %d to %f. I get "0.367879" |
| 14:42.36 | Wormy_ | "This is better than 75% of Gotham episodes." |
| 14:42.40 | Ghel | That sounds more realistic. Because that's exp(-1) and what you should get when x=k=o=1. |
| 14:44.01 | AGrayCat | is there an infobox for tech? |
| 14:44.04 | AGrayCat | and military? |
| 14:44.09 | drom | only military |
| 14:44.17 | drom | infobox troops |
| 14:44.19 | drom | I believe |
| 14:44.36 | AGrayCat | infobox troops? |
| 14:44.57 | Ghel | AGrayCat: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Infobox_templates |
| 14:45.23 | drom | ah yes, the military one is infobox fiction trooper |
| 14:45.51 | AGrayCat | not gonna help |
| 14:46.53 | drom | Ghel: The function's code in question: http://i.imgur.com/NKDWEHO.png |
| 14:47.33 | Ghel | That looks right to me. |
| 14:47.35 | AGrayCat | also |
| 14:47.51 | AGrayCat | Why is human unification wanted by so many? |
| 14:48.10 | drom | In real-life or in Sporewiki? |
| 14:48.31 | AGrayCat | sporewiki. |
| 14:48.34 | AGrayCat | It seems unrealistic. |
| 14:49.01 | AGrayCat | So does freaking European politics. |
| 14:49.17 | Ghel | SporeWikiverse humans were originally unified, and that meant that - in principle - anybody could use the Human Republic if they wanted to. |
| 14:49.53 | Ghel | But nobody ever really used them, so the "division of humanity" was introduced: humans were retconned to not be unified, and different users were granted ownership of different states. |
| 14:50.05 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 14:50.11 | drom | Well. We want the humanity to be unified because when nationalism is in place, we'd be basically killing each other already |
| 14:50.12 | Ghel | Although the only one I can think of that really gets used is France. |
| 14:50.22 | AGrayCat | I had a few ideas. |
| 14:50.52 | AGrayCat | - Antarctican Civilization for instance. |
| 14:51.10 | drom | Ghel: So I use x = 200'000 and keep k=o=1, I get 0.000000 |
| 14:51.23 | Ghel | I would expect that. |
| 14:51.53 | Ghel | When k=o=1, your gamma function is just exp(-x). |
| 14:51.55 | drom | You said that y is bascially the "k" in terms of tangent/slope |
| 14:52.26 | drom | Or did something go over my head? |
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| 14:53.01 | Ghel | In this context, "k" measures how quickly new colonies are settled compared to how quickly new planets are colonised. |
| 14:53.16 | Ghel | For k=1, new colonies are settled more quickly than they can be populated. |
| 14:53.23 | Ghel | colonies are created* |
| 14:53.41 | Ghel | I need to reword that. |
| 14:53.50 | drom | If k < 1? and what if k > 1? |
| 14:53.55 | Ghel | In this context, "k" measures how quickly new colonies are populated compared to how quickly new colonies are created. |
| 14:54.01 | AGrayCat | I had an idea for a Alpine Republic. Opinions? |
| 14:54.02 | Ghel | For k=1, new colonies are created more quickly than they can be populated. |
| 14:54.49 | Ghel | I believe k<1 creates an even more sharply exponential distribution, while as k increases the gamma distribution becomes increasingly Gaussian. |
| 14:55.03 | Ghel | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gamma_distribution_pdf.svg |
| 14:55.32 | AGrayCat | "I had an idea for a Alpine Republic. Opinions?" |
| 14:55.49 | Ghel | AGrayCat: It helps for you to actually tell us your idea before asking for opinions. :P |
| 14:56.12 | AGrayCat | Alpine Republic stretching across Austria, Switzerland, and Slovenia. |
| 14:56.19 | AGrayCat | previously that is |
| 14:56.37 | drom | Hm. the (k: 1, o: 2) looks really different to (k: 2, o:2) and (k: 3, o:2) |
| 14:56.39 | Ghel | Hmm. Ask Cyr about that, since most of Europe belonged to his European Star Republic. |
| 14:56.51 | Ghel | drom: It's supposed to, yes. |
| 14:57.15 | Ghel | That's because of the x^(k-1) term. |
| 14:57.20 | AGrayCat | switzerland is the capital |
| 14:57.21 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 14:57.21 | drom | ah yes |
| 14:57.33 | AGrayCat | ill change it to hungary, austria, slovenia |
| 14:57.34 | drom | x^0 becomes 1 |
| 14:57.36 | Ghel | For k>1 this means that at x=0 the probability is zero. |
| 14:57.42 | Ghel | For k<1 it diverges. |
| 14:57.59 | drom | so it is basically a free playfield for the exp(-x/o) |
| 14:58.19 | Ghel | Yes. That's why it became exp(-x) when k=o=1. |
| 14:58.38 | drom | Thanks for elaborating. |
| 14:59.00 | Ghel | No problem. |
| 14:59.55 | drom | Although, how would it look like if we assume that we adapt this distribution factor to a function for.... population relative to amount of colonized systems? |
| 15:00.00 | AGrayCat | still looking for people to collaborate with |
| 15:00.36 | Ghel | To work out how the gamma distribution can be used to calculate total population, we need to remember how it works. |
| 15:00.36 | drom | for x < 200'000 (maximal possession of star systems per unique empire) |
| 15:00.39 | AGrayCat | okay |
| 15:00.51 | AGrayCat | where should the colonies of the Soyuz be? |
| 15:00.53 | Ghel | One important detail is that it's normalised, so when you integrate it over all x you get 1. |
| 15:00.55 | AGrayCat | in the gigaquadrant |
| 15:01.24 | Ghel | AGrayCat: I would assume near the empire that they go to war against. Either in the same galaxy or in a nearby one. |
| 15:01.40 | AGrayCat | Nearby galaxies to Borealis? |
| 15:01.51 | AGrayCat | I was planning for them to be doing a training exercise in Borealis. |
| 15:02.22 | Ghel | Mirus should be near. |
| 15:02.33 | AdmiralPanda | on the subject of finding someone to collaborate with, it really depends on what exactly you intend the fiction to achieve |
| 15:02.46 | AdmiralPanda | different people on the wiki are interested in different kinds of stories, even in the context of war |
| 15:02.50 | Ghel | drom: We can associate x with the planetary population if we normalise it to the mean, using o = [mean]/k. |
| 15:03.20 | AGrayCat | What should it achieve? |
| 15:03.24 | AGrayCat | Like a checkbox? |
| 15:03.29 | AGrayCat | Like 'what will this achieve'? |
| 15:03.39 | AGrayCat | Give me a list of things it should 'achieve'. |
| 15:03.51 | Ghel | drom: Then... we need to find an interval where we know the total population, or to an approximation a point where we know how many planets have that population. |
| 15:04.07 | drom | Ghel: In layman terms o = population per planet/ (something) |
| 15:04.17 | AGrayCat | AdmiralPanda: |
| 15:04.18 | Ghel | yes. |
| 15:04.43 | drom | Ghel: In layman terms, what would you call k and o? |
| 15:05.06 | AdmiralPanda | well, do you intend for the fiction to give people insight into your fiction, do you want to focus on character development, are you more interested in the politicking, I can't really answer that question for you |
| 15:05.50 | Ghel | The latter case is simpler, but less rigorous. Say we know that there are N planets with population Y, and at x=Y the height of the curve is Z. Then we need to make the graph N/Z times heigher, and that leads (via the total cumulative probability = 1) to the total population of the civilisation being N/Z. |
| 15:06.09 | AGrayCat | I intend for it to be character development and politics. |
| 15:06.48 | Ghel | For example, say there are 100,000 planets with a population around 1 million, and at x=1 million the curve has a height of 0.002. Then the total population is 50 million. |
| 15:07.21 | Ghel | In reality there's no way the curve is going to be that high when it's stretched over x \in [0, 1 million], but it's an example. |
| 15:07.24 | drom | Ah, the "1 million" is the "mean"? |
| 15:07.29 | Ghel | Not necessarily. |
| 15:07.47 | AdmiralPanda | then you should try to find people interested in those to collaborate with; stories tend to work out better if you're both interested in the same story aspects |
| 15:07.49 | Ghel | The mean is the total population divided by the total number of planets. |
| 15:08.07 | drom | Yes, I need to remember that |
| 15:08.18 | Wormy_ | awwww http://imgur.com/DEmSsQG repost http://imgur.com/DOulF0J 3D Tetris http://imgur.com/UC0kEjt http://imgur.com/D1UGx1e http://imgur.com/j9wc5O0 http://imgur.com/ZTUmkYT http://imgur.com/gallery/JcUy6 |
| 15:08.34 | drom | The maths is more complicated than what I've encountered so far |
| 15:09.01 | AGrayCat | So |
| 15:09.05 | Ghel | To make the numbers more manageable, I suggest dividing the mean by an appropriate number close to the mean. Say, if the mean is one billion people per planet, then we'll measure it in billions. So o = [mean]/(k billion). |
| 15:09.11 | AGrayCat | Who is interested in character development and politics, eh? |
| 15:10.18 | drom | Ghel: o = mean/(k * 10^9) |
| 15:10.24 | Ghel | Yes. |
| 15:11.03 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/P7iQ4 |
| 15:11.08 | AGrayCat | Are any characters immortal? |
| 15:11.09 | Ghel | Then we say [mean population] = [mean of graph]*10^9, so the mean of the graph becomes a managable number. |
| 15:12.13 | drom | AGrayCat: There are, tons of them. There are biologically and/or spiritually immortal species |
| 15:12.23 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 15:12.56 | Ghel | So in this case a better example would be: there are 100 systems with a population of 2 billion. We find the height of the curve at x=2 and divide 100 by that number. |
| 15:13.10 | Ghel | And then multiply by one billion to get the total population. I think. |
| 15:13.59 | drom | We could at least shorten it to "r_final = r * 10^9-2" |
| 15:14.20 | drom | r is the result |
| 15:14.31 | drom | or say, the y-value of the graph |
| 15:14.39 | Ghel | Why the -2? |
| 15:15.04 | drom | "We find the height of the curve at x=2 and divide 100 by that number." And then multiply by one billion to get the total population. I think. |
| 15:15.27 | Wormy_ | GrayCat: For example, Emperor Wormulus in the DCP is spiritually immortal, the rest of his council require technology, and some of it failed making them husks o their former selves |
| 15:15.28 | drom | What you are saying is (r/100)*10^9 |
| 15:15.31 | drom | for me |
| 15:16.11 | drom | When you can shorten it to r*10^(9-2). Yes, I forgot the parenthetis |
| 15:16.12 | Ghel | Basically... but it looks like you said the code will be r*10^7 or (r*10^9)-2 or something like that. |
| 15:16.18 | AdmiralPanda | personally I'm always interested in a character-driven story, though I tend to find politics fairly boring |
| 15:16.20 | Ghel | I'll try to describe it more algorithmically: |
| 15:17.10 | drom | AGrayCat: The very first example of a biolocially immortal race is the Nomatarians of mine |
| 15:17.13 | Ghel | Which means I need to think about it first. |
| 15:17.21 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 15:18.11 | drom | The very first example of a biologically immortal race that comes to my mind is [...]* |
| 15:18.31 | Ghel | 1) There are four user inputs. k and o describe the shape of the curve, with o=[mean]/(k*10^9). Z is the number of planets with a population x*10^9. |
| 15:19.03 | Ghel | 2) Call the output of the graph r(x,k,o). The total population is Z*10^9/r(x,k,o) |
| 15:19.21 | Ghel | I think that should be it, roughly. |
| 15:19.47 | drom | I'll test and see |
| 15:20.00 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/rVbdR6z.jpg |
| 15:20.25 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/YZDKi6u.jpg |
| 15:20.45 | Ghel | More accurately we'd need to describe Z as the number of planets with a population (x [+-] dx)*10^9, then integrate r between x and dx... so we'll just say that Z is the number of planets with a population *approximately* x*10^9 because this isn't going to be a perfect model anyway. |
| 15:21.16 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/uAUmMkV.jpg |
| 15:23.32 | Ghel | Although you could just use [total population] = [number of planets]*o*k*10^9. |
| 15:24.16 | Ghel | You can't really make a probability distribution without the mean being either an input or easily found. |
| 15:24.19 | drom | Ghel: It returns "inf" |
| 15:24.37 | Ghel | For Z*10^9/r? |
| 15:24.43 | drom | Yep |
| 15:24.59 | Ghel | Then r=0 for the (x,k,o) you've chosen. |
| 15:25.10 | Ghel | That should only happen for x=0, k<1. |
| 15:25.27 | drom | Ghel: http://i.imgur.com/5XxxF0p.png |
| 15:26.27 | Wormy_ | I'm jelly of that clean code |
| 15:26.29 | Wormy_ | dumb js |
| 15:26.44 | drom | ops, I forgot to insert the "pow(10,9)" for the x |
| 15:27.24 | Ghel | It looks like that should provide a finite answer... but you have chosen Z=x=200,000, i.e. there are 200,000 planets with a population of 200 trillion. Just so you know. |
| 15:27.27 | drom | it is no longer inf |
| 15:27.38 | Wormy_ | After my website / three.js interface is built, I can't wait to get back into python, MEL etc. |
| 15:27.44 | Ghel | What is it now? |
| 15:27.55 | drom | Ghel: the x is now 200'000/10^9 |
| 15:28.01 | drom | So it gives.... |
| 15:28.32 | Ghel | So Z is now the number of planets with a population 2*10^-4? |
| 15:28.32 | drom | 108731265275.816986 |
| 15:29.07 | drom | Basically ~109 billion |
| 15:29.59 | drom | I've a little grasp of what you are saying Ghel. |
| 15:29.59 | drom | printf("%f\n", MAX_PLANETS*pow(10,9)/gamma_distribution(MAX_PLANETS/pow(10,9), 1, MEAN/pow(10, 9))); |
| 15:30.04 | Ghel | If the mean is 200,000 and the total number of planets is 200,000, then the total population should be 200,000^2 = 40 billion. |
| 15:31.33 | Ghel | I don't think you should have MAX_PLANETS/pow(10,9) there... but the fact that you're using 10^9 when the mean population is ~10^5 is not good. Increase MEAN to something ~10^9. |
| 15:31.57 | Ghel | Or decrease pow(10,9) to pow(10,5). |
| 15:32.35 | Ghel | But maybe you should keep MAX_PLANETS/pow(10,9)... |
| 15:32.44 | drom | inf |
| 15:33.00 | Ghel | What output are you getting for r(x,k,o)? |
| 15:33.13 | drom | changing X's pow(10,9) to pow(10,5) gives me an inf output |
| 15:33.49 | Ghel | If that's 0 you know where the problem lies. I suspect we're getting too far along the tail end of the distribution for the machine precision to distinguish it from zero. |
| 15:35.49 | Ghel | Yes, keep MAX_PLANETS/pow(10,9) (or pow(10,5)) for x. I made a mistake in thinking you should change that |
| 15:36.36 | Ghel | Try k=2 (or higher) instead so our distribution isn't an exponential decay. |
| 15:37.10 | Ghel | And then it looks like it should be all right. But make sure it displays r(x,k,o) as well as the final result so if it goes wrong, we can see why. |
| 15:37.15 | drom | Using that gives me 1.000000000e+46 |
| 15:37.36 | AGrayCat | uh |
| 15:38.04 | Ghel | That suggests to me that 10^-46 is the lower limits of the machine precision. |
| 15:38.35 | drom | Hm, changed the type from double to long double |
| 15:38.49 | AdmiralPanda | any remaining doubt that Ghelae is in fact an AI has now been erased, this quantity of math makes my head hurt just by looking at it |
| 15:39.07 | Ghel | This is far worse than maths. It's statistics. |
| 15:39.14 | drom | Yeah |
| 15:39.22 | drom | Statistics is a bitch |
| 15:40.21 | Ghel | When you've made all those changes, can you show me what the new code looks like? |
| 15:40.40 | Hachiman | What the fuck is going on here |
| 15:41.13 | Xho | I gave up trying to figure that out hours ago |
| 15:41.17 | drom | Ghel: http://i.imgur.com/7LisWcB.png |
| 15:41.26 | Ghel | What's going on here is a ridiculously contrived way of calculating the total population of a civilisation given the mean population of each system and the number of systems. |
| 15:41.44 | Wormy_ | Be grateful, they are making an app for us |
| 15:42.02 | Wormy_ | So we can see a curve |
| 15:42.23 | drom | If you wonder what the %e stands for: see documentation of printf() on cplusplus.com - "Scientific notation (mantissa/exponent), lowercase" |
| 15:42.38 | AdmiralPanda | I heard about statistics once while studying biology, I needed an exorcism afterwards |
| 15:42.39 | Wormy_ | xho http://imgur.com/bFl4WuL |
| 15:42.54 | Ghel | Can you uncomment the part where the value of the distribution itself is printed, and either change pow(10,9) to pow(10,5) or increase MEAN and MAX_PLANETS to something ~10^9? |
| 15:43.08 | drom | I meants that the output will be an decimal value followed by an integer e+/- used as pow(10,x) |
| 15:43.10 | Xho | Well jesus |
| 15:43.18 | drom | it* |
| 15:43.55 | drom | Will do, Ghel |
| 15:45.20 | drom | Ghel: http://i.imgur.com/x07Roan.png |
| 15:45.47 | drom | The former output is unaffected by the change from double to long double |
| 15:46.17 | Ghel | Change the first output to the second output's values of (x,k,o). |
| 15:47.26 | drom | The first output now reads "0.00000000000" |
| 15:47.35 | Ghel | And there is the problem. |
| 15:48.11 | Ghel | We need to select a point in the gamma distribution where the value is fairly large. |
| 15:49.08 | drom | Hm, I read you |
| 15:49.13 | Ghel | It seems to be saying r(2,2,2)=0. Which shouldn't be the case. |
| 15:50.10 | drom | Well. That's strange, Ghel |
| 15:50.35 | drom | When I made a r(2,2,2) as the first output, it reads "0.183940" |
| 15:51.30 | drom | Which is strange... |
| 15:52.31 | drom | Ghel: I think i traced the problem |
| 15:52.40 | Ghel | Does MEAN/k*pow(10,9) mean MEAN/(k*10^9) or (MEAN/k)*10^9? |
| 15:53.12 | drom | The second (formerly first) has r(2,2,1) because (MEAN/(k*pow(10,9))) |
| 15:54.12 | drom | er nope, that's what you said Ghel |
| 15:55.03 | drom | Ghel: The latter >.< |
| 15:55.27 | Ghel | So it was actually finding r(2,2,2E18). |
| 15:56.21 | drom | Yeah, now I've corrected it to the MEAN/(k*pow(10,9)) |
| 15:56.47 | drom | The individual output from that is 1.00000 |
| 15:56.55 | drom | by that, I mean printf("%f\n", MEAN / (k*pow(10, 9))); |
| 15:57.19 | Ghel | That's going to be the case when k = 2 and MEAN = k*10^9. |
| 15:57.23 | Ghel | So that's a good sign. |
| 15:57.42 | drom | Yep. r(2,2,1) |
| 15:58.45 | drom | The output now reads 7.389056e+18 |
| 15:58.55 | drom | Satisfactory for me |
| 15:59.15 | Ghel | While MEAN * MAX_PLANETS = 4*10^18. Not bad. |
| 16:00.52 | drom | I wonder if infobot can hangle C++ |
| 16:00.57 | drom | ~pow(10,9) |
| 16:01.05 | drom | bleh |
| 16:02.23 | Xho | Technobliterator Hachiman: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/random-idea blah |
| 16:02.26 | drom | 2 billion people distributed among 2 billion planets |
| 16:03.15 | drom | Now I'm gonna test out 200'000, the maximum amount of planets an empire can have simultaneously |
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| 16:06.26 | Hachiman | That's pretty good |
| 16:06.30 | Hachiman | You should expand on that |
| 16:08.21 | drom | Ghel: What whould the power expotent be if MEAN is lower than MAX_PLANETS? |
| 16:08.35 | drom | I mean for Z*10^n/r |
| 16:08.39 | Ghel | Try keeping it the same for now. |
| 16:09.12 | drom | right |
| 16:10.14 | AGrayCat | WORMY |
| 16:10.19 | drom | For 2*pow(10,5)*10^9/r(2,2,1) (the division is done with power relative to input's expotent) |
| 16:10.19 | AGrayCat | wormy the worm |
| 16:10.37 | drom | the output is 7.389056e+14 |
| 16:10.47 | drom | same as 7.389056e+18, except the expotent is smaller |
| 16:11.24 | Ghel | Since all you've changed are the exponents, that's expected. |
| 16:11.41 | Ghel | Have you made sure all n are the same in all cases of pow(10,n) you've used? |
| 16:11.59 | drom | Yeah, except I've now changed the n back to 9 |
| 16:12.09 | drom | It gives me eeerr |
| 16:12.21 | drom | 1.221404e+12 |
| 16:15.30 | AGrayCat | eh |
| 16:15.35 | AGrayCat | why are you all chatting about maths |
| 16:15.44 | Ghel | Dividing MEAN by pow(10,n) is basically cancelled out by the multiplication by pow(10,n) at the start of the expression. So then we need to figure out how to make the pow(10,n) in MAX_PLANETS/pow(10,n) drop out of the end result. |
| 16:16.01 | Ghel | AGrayCat: Why not? |
| 16:16.02 | drom | Maths is the key to the secret of life |
| 16:16.08 | drom | secrets* |
| 16:16.13 | AGrayCat | cause this has turned from sporewiki irc to maths irc |
| 16:16.33 | Charles_Murray | People can talk about what they want? o.O |
| 16:16.36 | Ghel | We can - and usually do - discuss more than SporeWiki here. |
| 16:17.20 | drom | AGrayCat: Don't get me started on the people who automatically turn Sporewiki irc to sexual and porn irc |
| 16:17.21 | Charles_Murray | Restricting it to just Sporewiki in this channel would really squelch the life of the community. |
| 16:17.26 | drom | glares on Hachiman |
| 16:17.40 | Hachiman | I don't *automatically* do it |
| 16:17.44 | AGrayCat | well |
| 16:17.49 | AGrayCat | i'm not that bothered |
| 16:17.56 | AGrayCat | but you have been talking about it for almost two hours eh |
| 16:18.04 | AGrayCat | i'll continue to observe |
| 16:18.06 | AGrayCat | *sits back down* |
| 16:18.12 | drom | Hachiman: No offense meant though. |
| 16:18.30 | Charles_Murray | If you'd like to join a channel which isn't currently talking about Math, you're free to come on #Katar ? |
| 16:18.33 | Hachiman | None taken |
| 16:19.05 | drom | Charles_Murray: Thanks for suggesting our next target! |
| 16:19.32 | Charles_Murray | I don't mind. xD There's enough space for everyone. |
| 16:19.39 | Ghel | Okay. r(x,k,o) describes the proportion of planets with population x given a gamma distribution given by (k,o). For N planets, that means there are M=N*r planets with population x. |
| 16:20.46 | drom | I feel like that an Integral could've made the job easier hm |
| 16:20.51 | Ghel | If we decide that M should be some fixed value, and int(M dx) = N, while int(r dx) = 1... |
| 16:21.21 | Ghel | Somehow that should help. I just don't know how. |
| 16:22.08 | Ghel | Perhaps we should consider the cumulative gamma distribution. |
| 16:22.19 | drom | mm |
| 16:22.23 | Ghel | That's https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gamma_distribution_cdf.svg |
| 16:22.31 | drom | I've to go and grab myself some dinner first though |
| 16:22.48 | Ghel | Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_distribution#Cumulative_distribution_function |
| 16:22.53 | Ghel | Okay. |
| 16:23.04 | Ghel | I'll go and have some dinner soon too. I'm tired of this. |
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| 16:26.55 | Ghel | But basically, if the output of that is... let's call it R(x,k,o), then R(x+dx,k,o)-R(x,k,o) gives the proportion of planets with populations between x and x+dx. |
| 16:28.23 | Charles_Murray | Coming soon: http://imgur.com/2mLKWmr |
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| 16:34.36 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 16:43.39 | AGrayCat | ok |
| 16:43.52 | AGrayCat | I'm going to do a number of sections about the Soyuz every day. |
| 16:50.32 | drom | That's when Charles_Murray comes the president of America and tries to make it the United States of France |
| 16:51.11 | drom | Speaking off |
| 16:51.21 | Charles_Murray | Ugh |
| 16:52.10 | drom | Charles_Murray: All the flags of users who has been in Sporewiki for at least one year and is still to present day active to an extent, compiled into a picture: http://i.imgur.com/Q3k9FpK.png |
| 16:53.13 | Charles_Murray | (Mine should be completely French >.<) |
| 16:53.38 | Hachiman | I said Charles was French hur |
| 16:53.38 | drom | non |
| 16:53.43 | Charles_Murray | (Sorry) |
| 16:53.58 | Charles_Murray | Wait why? You didn't put the German flag in? |
| 16:54.06 | drom | You shall be forever Franco-American! |
| 16:54.18 | Charles_Murray | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 16:54.44 | drom | Charles_Murray: You mean Sporeraptor? I've not heard anything from him for one year |
| 16:54.58 | Charles_Murray | Well no, don't you live in Germany, drom? |
| 16:55.06 | drom | Sweden |
| 16:55.26 | Charles_Murray | Okay, I must be thinking of something else. |
| 16:55.27 | Charles_Murray | Though please |
| 16:55.30 | Charles_Murray | I'm French |
| 16:55.40 | drom | non |
| 16:55.58 | drom | enjoy the half-french flag :) |
| 16:56.04 | Charles_Murray | ... |
| 16:56.12 | Hachiman | If Charles gets a Franco-American flag, you should have Imp's be North Korean-Russian and Tybusen's Chinese-American |
| 16:56.52 | drom | Fair enough |
| 16:57.04 | AGrayCat | north korean? |
| 16:57.14 | Hachiman | Imperios has North Korean heritage |
| 16:57.20 | Charles_Murray | Also, who is from Brazil? |
| 16:57.20 | AGrayCat | hm |
| 16:57.27 | Hachiman | Charles_Murray: Oluap |
| 16:57.30 | AGrayCat | Oluap |
| 16:57.35 | Charles_Murray | I see. Apologies. |
| 16:57.52 | AGrayCat | eh? |
| 16:58.01 | AGrayCat | why apologise? you did nothing wrong. |
| 16:59.06 | Wormy_away | There used to be a lot more countries :( |
| 16:59.19 | drom | Question Xho, weren't you of Indian heritage? |
| 16:59.21 | Wormy_away | :( as in, they have gone |
| 16:59.34 | drom | I think you talked about something something about that? |
| 16:59.50 | Charles_Murray | pls remove yankee |
| 17:00.46 | drom | non |
| 17:01.16 | Wormy_away | drom: I think dino is from Belgium |
| 17:01.33 | Hachiman | He's Dutch |
| 17:01.34 | drom | Wasn't he Dutch? |
| 17:02.29 | Wormy_away | I recall users from South Africa, Mexico, India, another Swede, Norway and Finland |
| 17:02.34 | Wormy_away | Though inactive |
| 17:02.43 | Wormy_away | Oh Portugal |
| 17:03.41 | Wormy_away | Ah yes, I stand corrected |
| 17:04.11 | Wormy_away | 2 more came from Ireland |
| 17:05.12 | drom | morgoth is American iirc, Ose's norweigan |
| 17:10.58 | drom | nah, I'm dumping the idea of hertigate |
| 17:12.21 | Wormy_away | I quite like half flags, just me |
| 17:14.20 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 17:14.44 | Wormy_away | Now that's an old flag https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Grand-Union-Flag.jpg |
| 17:15.02 | Charles_Murray | British East India Trading Company pre-1801 |
| 17:15.51 | AGrayCat | eh? |
| 17:15.52 | Charles_Murray | (Also used by rebels in the United States for some weird reason) |
| 17:16.02 | Wormy_away | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Union_Flag |
| 17:16.22 | drom | sneaks back the American-Franco flag |
| 17:16.52 | AGrayCat | Who is TheDinoHunter? |
| 17:17.42 | Wormy_away | I find it interesting this flag still bears the Union flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hawaii |
| 17:18.13 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/0oyBDiJ.webm |
| 17:18.48 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/L4x0vcF.gif |
| 17:19.49 | Charles_Murray | Wormy_away : It wasn't even a British colony. xD |
| 17:20.12 | Charles_Murray | The Hawaiian king just decided he wanted the union jack in the corner of his flag. |
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| 17:20.54 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.39 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 17:21.44 | Wormy_away | drom: Like you get drop bears, you also get jump bears |
| 17:21.58 | OluapPlayer | blah |
| 17:23.12 | drom | Charles_Murray: You can even fit in Russia's, France's, Luxemburg, Leichenstein and Netherland's flags on it |
| 17:23.22 | OluapPlayer | Xho: stupid spu |
| 17:23.49 | Charles_Murray | drom: Indonesia's too |
| 17:23.50 | Xho | im heer go dai |
| 17:23.54 | Xho | drom: Yes |
| 17:24.21 | OluapPlayer | y u so ded lately |
| 17:24.24 | drom | Charles_Murray: Poland, Marcco |
| 17:24.37 | Xho | Been busy |
| 17:24.40 | Charles_Murray | Can't do Poland |
| 17:24.44 | Charles_Murray | It's upside down |
| 17:25.06 | OluapPlayer | busi bein ded |
| 17:25.16 | Xho | muy ded |
| 17:25.25 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hDTP_Cc3Nc / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIv60kRa8kw get allah'd |
| 17:25.33 | drom | Charles_Murray: Correction: Monaco, not Marcco |
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| 17:26.41 | Hachiman | ALLAHU ACKBAR |
| 17:27.09 | Xho | Very true |
| 17:27.20 | OluapPlayer | Also Fallout 3 has been a bitch |
| 17:27.29 | OluapPlayer | Last time I played I crashed 4 times in less than an hour |
| 17:27.41 | Xho | Jesus |
| 17:28.03 | Xho | I completed Fallout 4's storyline |
| 17:28.08 | OluapPlayer | I want to like this game but it won't let me play it |
| 17:28.20 | Xho | So now I can give a valued judgement on Fallout 4 |
| 17:28.25 | Xho | 7/10 not as good as Fallout 3 |
| 17:28.36 | OluapPlayer | dat a joke or not |
| 17:28.39 | Xho | Nope |
| 17:28.48 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 17:28.49 | Xho | It's a good game but it will never be as good as Fallout 3 |
| 17:28.53 | Hachiman | So the hype was for nothing lol |
| 17:28.55 | AGrayCat | hullo |
| 17:29.00 | Hachiman | Suckers got punk'd |
| 17:29.02 | Xho | Appears not |
| 17:29.11 | AGrayCat | Who is TheDinoHunter? |
| 17:29.13 | Xho | It kinda went the way of Skyrim |
| 17:29.14 | OluapPlayer | Well |
| 17:29.19 | OluapPlayer | I'm surprised you see it that way |
| 17:29.21 | Xho | Good graphics, not enough depth |
| 17:29.28 | OluapPlayer | "Found a very cute girl in the wasteland. VATS said I had a 0 percent chance to hit that. 10/10, such realism" |
| 17:29.33 | Xho | dur |
| 17:29.39 | AGrayCat | Who is TheDinoHunter? Could someone answer? |
| 17:30.13 | drom | None of us |
| 17:30.40 | AGrayCat | mhm |
| 17:30.42 | AGrayCat | i guessed |
| 17:31.29 | OluapPlayer | "Notice: Fallout 3 is not optimized for Windows 7 and later." |
| 17:31.31 | OluapPlayer | So I learned |
| 17:32.09 | Wormy_away | Oluap, it can work with Windows 8, it takes some work |
| 17:32.19 | Wormy_away | I don't about 10 |
| 17:32.23 | Wormy_away | *know |
| 17:32.24 | OluapPlayer | Mine works, but I get random crashes |
| 17:32.37 | OluapPlayer | Trying to load the game in full screen made it crash in less than 5 seconds |
| 17:32.47 | Wormy_away | I will not get Win10 until I've played the main questline at least |
| 17:32.51 | Wormy_away | woa |
| 17:33.01 | Wormy_away | Mine runs smoothly in Win 8.1 Pro |
| 17:33.10 | OluapPlayer | Hm |
| 17:33.15 | OluapPlayer | Mine is just Windows 8 |
| 17:33.55 | Wormy_away | Its really random with Win10, works for some people, is unplayable for others. |
| 17:34.20 | Wormy_away | I was surprised I just overtook my time spend in Assassin's Creed II |
| 17:34.21 | OluapPlayer | What really bothers me is that when it crashes, it freezes my entire computer |
| 17:34.33 | OluapPlayer | I'm forced to restart |
| 17:34.43 | Tek0516 | I think my mostly played on Steam recently became Victoria 2 |
| 17:36.21 | OluapPlayer | "You killed my family!" (Speech 100) "Nah." "Oh, okay then." |
| 17:37.38 | Xho | dur |
| 17:37.59 | Xho | Windows Vista is probably the best for Fallout 3 |
| 17:38.58 | Xho | But I've given a Steam review for Fallout 4 |
| 17:39.16 | drom | "I want my money back" |
| 17:39.21 | OluapPlayer | Let's Go Pal Simulator |
| 17:39.48 | Xho | Followers Are Retarded Simulator |
| 17:39.49 | Wormy_away | I'm playing Space Engineers after the next deadline |
| 17:40.03 | OluapPlayer | meat dug |
| 17:40.20 | OluapPlayer | Now you need to play New Vegas and not give up hur |
| 17:40.33 | Xho | I've played through New Vegas many times |
| 17:40.40 | Xho | Still don't know what its about |
| 17:40.50 | OluapPlayer | You told me you gave up 2 hours in |
| 17:40.55 | Xho | Originally I did |
| 17:41.38 | OluapPlayer | den try payin attenion u dum vault dweller |
| 17:41.47 | Wormy_away | I gave up with Mass Effect after that witch kept killing me |
| 17:42.02 | OluapPlayer | Witch? |
| 17:42.05 | Wormy_away | Fed up doing through the dialogue and cutscenes over and over |
| 17:42.29 | Wormy_away | The lady with powers that murders you on that snowy planet |
| 17:42.33 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 17:42.35 | OluapPlayer | Benezia |
| 17:42.41 | Wormy_away | That's right |
| 17:42.49 | OluapPlayer | She's not the one killing you. Her asari commandos are |
| 17:42.55 | OluapPlayer | You gotta get rid of those first |
| 17:43.48 | Wormy_away | I might give it another go later then |
| 17:44.12 | OluapPlayer | Unless anyone wants me for fiction, I'm gonna try Dummout one more time |
| 17:44.34 | Hachiman | I need you for Second Borealis Galactic War |
| 17:44.41 | Xho | ^ this guy |
| 17:45.11 | AGrayCat | Me? |
| 17:45.19 | AGrayCat | i'm in borealis |
| 17:48.10 | OluapPlayer | I can never hack or open any of these doors |
| 17:48.13 | OluapPlayer | but y tho |
| 17:48.14 | OluapPlayer | ye need a rank of 50 |
| 17:48.19 | AGrayCat | oluap olua |
| 17:48.22 | OluapPlayer | In Skyrim at least I could try |
| 17:52.10 | Xho | no hax 4 u |
| 17:53.08 | Xho | I should really do some fiction |
| 17:53.11 | AGrayCat | this is freaking annoying |
| 17:53.15 | Wormy_away | Hachiman, Xho: http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/63/ec5afa6bb9ab4a45bc986641a14aa70c/l.jpg |
| 17:53.16 | Xho | Haven't done any in Allah-knows-how-long |
| 17:53.24 | OluapPlayer | moov black dragon dong story |
| 17:53.32 | Hachiman | ye |
| 17:54.11 | Xho | biggest dong |
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| 18:00.03 | OluapPlayer_ | Top dangit |
| 18:01.01 | drom | "Why is everyone [gopniks] squatting?" --- "Gravity is stronger in Russia" |
| 18:01.07 | Xho | Right well we could do Dragon Dong story if you want |
| 18:01.11 | Xho | I dunno where Imp is though |
| 18:03.45 | OluapPlayer_ | But Imp is not in it |
| 18:04.06 | Xho | I forget these things |
| 18:05.11 | OluapPlayer_ | While you set that up I'm gonna brb |
| 18:06.23 | Technobliterator | wait |
| 18:06.31 | Technobliterator | we're not doing a Second Borealis War remake, are we? |
| 18:06.40 | Technobliterator | we're already remaking War of Ages :| |
| 18:06.40 | Hachiman | I was joking |
| 18:06.43 | Technobliterator | ok cool |
| 18:09.20 | Xho | Wow Titanpad crashed already |
| 18:18.29 | drom | Ghel: So I tried using current world population as MEAN and 1 as MAX_PLANET, I get a value bigger than MEAN |
| 18:19.08 | Ghel | Yes. Just as we got a value greater than MEAN*MAX_PLANET before. |
| 18:20.30 | drom | Hm, the value is at least two times bigger than MEAN |
| 18:20.43 | drom | So. I wonder what would that mean? |
| 18:20.53 | Ghel | It's a sign of the flaws in our model. |
| 18:21.43 | Ghel | And it wouldn't surprise me that the further we get from an idealised gamma-distributed civilisation, the worse the deviations get. |
| 18:22.17 | Ghel | The planetary population distribution of a single-planet civilisation is a delta function, not a gamma function. |
| 18:28.31 | Wormy_away | Why aren't you using a delta function? Any reason that you can't? |
| 18:30.16 | Wormy_semi_here | The real heroes http://imgur.com/gallery/PhnPdXw |
| 18:32.22 | Ghel | Wormy_semi_here: If you look at what a delta function you'll see why it applies to one-planet civilisations in particular. |
| 18:33.11 | drom | Hm, whatta about combined gamma and delta function? |
| 18:33.12 | drom | :) |
| 18:33.15 | Wormy_semi_here | Because it idealised for points? |
| 18:34.48 | Ghel | Wormy_semi_here: Yes. |
| 18:35.15 | drom | Ghel: The only problem I've with the cumulative gamma distribution is C++'s lack of lower gamma function |
| 18:35.28 | Ghel | A delta function is "there's 100% probability of it taking one particular value and 0% probability of it being anything else". |
| 18:36.55 | Ghel | drom: That makes it a little problematic. In that case it would be better to numerically integrate the gamma distribution between two points instead. |
| 18:37.37 | drom | Ghel: I failed to comprehend the last sentence |
| 18:37.50 | Ghel | Which part? |
| 18:40.26 | drom | "numerically integrate" |
| 18:40.45 | drom | Explain like I'm a c++ programmer |
| 18:40.51 | AGrayCat | hi |
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| 18:41.25 | Ghelae | Numerical integration is a way of approximating an integral when analytical methods are not possible. |
| 18:41.30 | Ghelae | Computers can do it. |
| 18:42.28 | Wormy_semi_here | Xho, Hachiman, drom: all new Poochie and Pansie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9_LlmW6WMc |
| 18:42.43 | Hachiman | Fuck off with that |
| 18:42.57 | Hachiman | I still hate you for showing me the first episode of that |
| 18:44.00 | drom | What even is this shit? |
| 18:44.31 | drom | Great, Friefox clogged all up itself |
| 18:45.33 | AGrayCat | found this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Unified_Federation_of_Glory |
| 18:45.36 | AGrayCat | What the... |
| 18:46.00 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: I will warn you of the screamer at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4yrKDNVnJg |
| 18:46.11 | Ghelae | AGrayCat: What about it? |
| 18:46.16 | AGrayCat | "Will attack empires that threaten order" |
| 18:46.20 | AGrayCat | great realpolitik. |
| 18:46.32 | AGrayCat | also its tier 3 |
| 18:46.39 | AGrayCat | which... is impossible for its size |
| 18:46.50 | AGrayCat | also spelling mistakes |
| 18:47.33 | AGrayCat | 'population: millions' |
| 18:47.43 | AGrayCat | Do you see why I have such opinions? |
| 18:48.06 | Ghelae | I don't see why anybody has opinions. They appear to be a drain on mental resources to me. |
| 18:48.15 | AGrayCat | Hm. |
| 18:48.35 | AGrayCat | But Tier 3 with a population of millions? |
| 18:48.50 | AGrayCat | And more importantly, "will attack empires that threaten order" |
| 18:48.57 | AGrayCat | it would get crushed like a bug with a population of millions. |
| 18:49.07 | Wormy_semi_here | Part 3 is alright, not a screamer but still f'd up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NoAxZd3ekM |
| 18:50.04 | AGrayCat | also |
| 18:50.06 | AGrayCat | OluapPlayer_: |
| 18:50.52 | OluapPlayer_ | What |
| 18:51.24 | AGrayCat | Are any Borealis Grox outside of the specified empires left? |
| 18:52.12 | OluapPlayer_ | No |
| 18:52.16 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 18:54.01 | Ghelae | I agree that, especially for an empire that enjoys infantry combat as much as the UFG seems to, a population of "millions" - assuming that to be ~1 million - is far too small to be militaristic with. |
| 18:54.19 | Ghelae | Typos are to be expected, although ideally they should be cleared up. |
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| 18:56.44 | drom | Ghelae: The cumulative wasn't to much help either |
| 18:56.52 | drom | Using the same variables, I get 0.03 |
| 18:57.05 | Ghelae | How did you do it? |
| 18:57.53 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/VHhzipf.png |
| 18:57.59 | drom | On GeoGebra |
| 18:58.28 | Ghelae | Is gg(x) the cumulative function? |
| 18:58.40 | AGrayCat | Why not Oluap? |
| 18:58.48 | AGrayCat | OluapPlayer_: |
| 18:58.55 | OluapPlayer_ | What |
| 18:59.23 | drom | Ghelae: With the k and o variables inserted, yes |
| 18:59.25 | AGrayCat | Why are no Grox alive outside of the Legacy? |
| 18:59.46 | OluapPlayer_ | Try reading the Legacy page |
| 18:59.58 | drom | Ghelae: Plus, point B has the expression (1, gg(1) |
| 19:00.06 | Ghelae | I'm not sure what you've done there... but it should just be that the proportion of systems with populations between x and y is given by gg(y,k,o)-gg(x,k,o), so if the actual number of systems with a population between x and y is Z... |
| 19:00.07 | drom | (1, gg(1))* |
| 19:00.16 | AGrayCat | mhm |
| 19:00.24 | AGrayCat | But surely rogues would live on? |
| 19:00.25 | Ghelae | ...then the total population is given by Z/(gg(y)-gg(x)) |
| 19:00.33 | OluapPlayer_ | No |
| 19:00.47 | OluapPlayer_ | They had no free will and were given it, there are no rogues |
| 19:00.49 | drom | Hm, going to try that, Ghelae |
| 19:01.00 | drom | the y is the vale of gg(x)? |
| 19:01.04 | AGrayCat | hmm |
| 19:01.05 | drom | value* |
| 19:01.13 | Ghelae | No. y is the upper limit of the population per planet. |
| 19:01.18 | drom | Ah |
| 19:01.24 | AGrayCat | seems unlikely for a few out of a few trillion not to have some sort of autonomy but eh |
| 19:01.27 | Ghelae | You're finding the proportion of planets with a population between x and y. |
| 19:01.30 | AGrayCat | i'll listen to you |
| 19:01.38 | drom | Since it is our world, I've no idea how to find it, hur |
| 19:02.22 | Ghelae | ...You find it by doing gg(y,k,o)-gg(x,k,o) |
| 19:02.38 | drom | I mean the value of y for our world |
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| 19:03.03 | Wormy_semi_here | Hi |
| 19:03.06 | Ghelae | Just some number greater than x. |
| 19:03.06 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:03.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:03.11 | drom | Heyo |
| 19:03.13 | AGrayCat | hullo |
| 19:04.26 | Ghelae | So for another civilisation you might consider that, rather than finding all systems with a population of exactly 1 billion (to infinite decimal places, since this is actually a continuous function), you take the number of systems with a population between, say, 0.9 billion and 1.1 billion. |
| 19:06.15 | Ghelae | For Earth, you'd just have a peak in g(x) at a little over 7 billion. So if you did the integral between 6 billion and 8 billion, you'd find gg(6e9)=1 and gg(8e9)=1 so gg(y)-gg(x)=1. |
| 19:06.47 | Ghelae | That is to say, the total proportion of human planets in the 2010s with a population between 6 and 8 billion is 100%. |
| 19:07.27 | drom | So that explains gg(y)-gg(x)/gg(y)-gg(x) |
| 19:07.34 | drom | It always returns 1 |
| 19:07.53 | Ghelae | Of course anything divided by itself is equal to 1. |
| 19:08.59 | drom | Hm |
| 19:09.33 | drom | Doing an integral with 6 and 8 gives me 1.13 |
| 19:10.08 | Ghelae | gg(y)-gg(x) for any x, y, and cumulative probability distribution won't give you a number greater than 1. |
| 19:11.11 | Ghelae | By the definition of cumulative probability, gg(y)-gg(x) is the probability of a sampled element being between x and y. |
| 19:12.14 | drom | You know that Integrals use primitives of a specified function? |
| 19:12.54 | drom | primitive as in the opposite to derivates |
| 19:13.28 | Ghelae | I've only heard them called antiderivatives, but yes, that's most of the point of integrals. |
| 19:14.19 | drom | Yeah. |
| 19:15.01 | drom | If I use integral of gg with 1 and 2, it gives 0.06. Opposed to 0.07 from gg(2)-gg(1) |
| 19:15.41 | Ghelae | Are you integrating gg? There's no need for that. |
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| 19:16.05 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:16.25 | drom | Heyhey |
| 19:16.38 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:17.50 | drom | Ghelae: I think I'm just going to put this aside for good time. |
| 19:17.53 | Ghelae | Just for peace of mind, here's the derivation: Total population = N, proportion of systems with populations between x and y = gg(y)-gg(x), so the total population of those those systems is M=N*(gg(y)-gg(x)). |
| 19:18.41 | Ghelae | If the total number of systems is Z, then we also have M=Z*x (when x and y are sufficiently close; some other number between x and y can also work). |
| 19:19.09 | Ghelae | Solving for the total population: N = Z*x/(gg(y)-gg(x)). There you go. |
| 19:19.29 | GD12 | whats gg? |
| 19:19.39 | drom | a function I wrote in GeoGebra |
| 19:19.39 | Ghelae | A cumulative probability distribution. |
| 19:19.50 | Ghelae | Here we've been trying it with the gamma distribution. |
| 19:19.54 | Ghelae | Well, drom has. |
| 19:20.02 | GD12 | ahh |
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| 19:21.17 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 19:21.28 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 19:21.33 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 19:21.39 | AGrayCat | hu |
| 19:21.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:22.00 | Wormy_semi_here | Should be working |
| 19:22.15 | drom | What? |
| 19:22.35 | drom | Oh |
| 19:22.44 | Wormy_semi_here | Well, uni work not job work |
| 19:23.46 | AGrayCat | Hello guys |
| 19:24.15 | OluapPlayer_ | Hi Imp |
| 19:25.12 | drom | Ghelae: Z is still gg(y)-gg(x)? |
| 19:25.46 | Ghelae | No. Z is another input. |
| 19:25.59 | Ghelae | Otherwise we'd trivially get Z=x. |
| 19:26.05 | Ghelae | N=x* |
| 19:26.39 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 19:27.18 | drom | Ah I see, Z is the amount of star systems |
| 19:27.43 | Hachiman | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSCiMbMVDLI Turn your volume up |
| 19:28.06 | Xho | I turned my volume down for the exact reason you told me to turn it up |
| 19:28.44 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 19:29.05 | OluapPlayer_ | u deserved it |
| 19:31.35 | Ghelae | drom: Oh, that's a point. I haven't included the total number of systems in there, only the total number with a population between x and y. |
| 19:32.10 | Ghelae | It should still work though. |
| 19:32.20 | drom | Ghelae: Got an idea of the purely mathematical equivalent of getting the size of vectors/arrays? |
| 19:32.35 | drom | I mean, I need an automatic way to get 10^n of an integer |
| 19:33.20 | Ghelae | No, I don't know how to get that. |
| 19:34.04 | The_Randomness | Like, given an integer n, find 10^n? |
| 19:35.27 | OluapPlayer_ | The_Randomness: randum. I should let you know I'm available for tabletop stoof again |
| 19:35.34 | The_Randomness | noice |
| 19:35.43 | The_Randomness | I'll let Panda know that |
| 19:37.01 | drom | Yea, I mean that Random |
| 19:37.15 | drom | Just like log10 |
| 19:37.35 | The_Randomness | What sort of language or w/e are you working in? |
| 19:37.43 | drom | Math |
| 19:38.25 | drom | Seems like I could use log10 and then ceiling it up |
| 19:38.40 | drom | Yep |
| 19:38.53 | drom | ceil(log10(integer)) |
| 19:39.05 | Xho | TOO MUCH NUMBER AND CODE |
| 19:39.07 | The_Randomness | Oh, so you were trying to find that? |
| 19:39.10 | drom | Yeah |
| 19:39.32 | The_Randomness | I thought you were trying to do exponentiation |
| 19:39.40 | drom | hah, nah |
| 19:40.21 | The_Randomness | And I just realized that I was using the mass of silicon-29 instead of silicon-28 for this astrophysics homework I've been working on -_- |
| 19:40.23 | The_Randomness | gdi |
| 19:40.41 | The_Randomness | I could've saved at least an hour of work if I had realized that earlier |
| 19:40.44 | drom | Acutally it is floor(log10()) >.< |
| 19:41.07 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 19:42.31 | AGrayCat | Hi guys |
| 19:44.26 | AGrayCat | DARN |
| 19:44.28 | drom | The_Randomness Ghelae: There we go... http://i.imgur.com/h6ddcHa.png |
| 19:44.36 | AGrayCat | MY CODE JUST MESSED UP BIG TIME |
| 19:44.43 | AGrayCat | phew it is safe |
| 19:44.53 | The_Randomness | What's with the gammas in there? |
| 19:45.01 | AGrayCat | How do I choose certain forms for certain pages? |
| 19:45.15 | AGrayCat | Could someone tell meh? |
| 19:45.27 | drom | The_Randomness: Cumulative gamma distribution |
| 19:45.45 | AGrayCat | uh |
| 19:45.48 | The_Randomness | This is probably some statistics thing that I don't know of |
| 19:45.54 | AGrayCat | Could someone tell me? |
| 19:46.39 | The_Randomness | What do you mean by a certain form for a page? |
| 19:46.48 | The_Randomness | Like, infoboxes or what? |
| 19:46.51 | drom | The_Randomness: There is lot of statistics shit waiting to be discovered |
| 19:46.52 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_distribution#Cumulative_distribution_function |
| 19:47.17 | The_Randomness | Alright, what about the big gamma on the bottom? |
| 19:47.19 | AGrayCat | no |
| 19:47.20 | drom | The_Randomness: And a long list of them distribution functions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_probability_distributions#Supported_on_semi-infinite_intervals.2C_usually_.5B0.2C.E2.88.9E.29 |
| 19:47.28 | AGrayCat | the forms you can select |
| 19:47.28 | The_Randomness | oh gosh |
| 19:47.31 | AGrayCat | like fiction gods |
| 19:47.31 | AGrayCat | etc |
| 19:47.34 | AGrayCat | please tell me |
| 19:47.46 | The_Randomness | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 19:49.09 | Ghelae | I don't use forms, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people here don't either. |
| 19:49.24 | Ghelae | All I can do is point you to http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Create_a_page - all forms that exist should be there. |
| 19:49.57 | drom | Ghelae The_Randomness: Wasn't it supposed to look like this though? http://i.imgur.com/ySwRG4V.png |
| 19:50.03 | Ghelae | If you want to make a page that doesn't fall under those classifications, you'll have to make it from scratch rather than using a form. |
| 19:50.45 | Ghelae | drom: That looks more like it, but why have you used "x+x"? That's not wrong (it's just y=2x), but I'm just wondering. |
| 19:51.23 | drom | Ghelae: I'm too lazy to guess a value bigger than x, so I thought that 2x was sufficient enough |
| 19:51.52 | Ghelae | Fair enough, but that will ruin the approximation of M=Z*x. |
| 19:52.07 | Ghelae | AGrayCat: All of the forms are listed http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=306 |
| 19:52.09 | drom | Mmm |
| 19:52.18 | drom | Who told me that I'm not supposed to experiment? |
| 19:52.50 | Ghelae | You can experiment with maths if you like. |
| 19:53.12 | Ghelae | But mathematicians generally explore maths by using maths instead. :P |
| 19:53.19 | drom | hur |
| 19:54.09 | Ghelae | Something like y=1.1*x should bring you a place where gg(y) is not too different from gg(x), which is what you need for the approximation to hold. |
| 19:55.00 | drom | Hm fair enough, it made the y value of N(2) go from negative to a positive value |
| 19:56.24 | AGrayCat | no |
| 19:56.28 | AGrayCat | I found a hidden form, a god form. |
| 19:56.50 | AGrayCat | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Fiction_god/Hullo: |
| 19:58.15 | drom | The_Randomness Ghelae http://i.imgur.com/KQoDgoz.jpg |
| 19:58.30 | The_Randomness | rip Peter |
| 20:07.06 | AGrayCat | thank you sir |
| 20:07.15 | drom | The_Randomness: IT call center life http://i.imgur.com/UaxEl.png |
| 20:07.37 | The_Randomness | Seems legit |
| 20:08.01 | The_Randomness | But that should be coming out of the headset instead of from the IT person :p |
| 20:10.45 | drom | The_Randomness: Customers are actually denser than computers |
| 20:11.04 | The_Randomness | lol |
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| 20:24.04 | drom | Hachiman: Literally dickface http://i.imgur.com/o8ZYa1o.jpg |
| 20:25.03 | Imperios | Hachiman OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/J4UCeUl.jpg |
| 20:25.24 | Hachiman | hur |
| 20:28.33 | OluapPlayer_ | dun get it |
| 20:30.04 | Imperios | Details for Warhammer models are usually attached to sprues |
| 20:32.37 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 20:33.53 | drom | Wormy_semi_here Ghelae: It'd be awesome if I could have one of those flash lights: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flashlights.png |
| 20:33.58 | drom | flashlights* |
| 20:34.30 | Ghelae | "Flashlight" might not be quite the word for that. |
| 20:34.58 | drom | Ghelae: Flashfire |
| 20:35.01 | AGrayCat | What species should be in the Soyuz? |
| 20:35.57 | drom | Anyway. Ghelae Wormy_semi_here: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/five_day_forecast.png |
| 20:43.20 | Wormy_semi_here | hur |
| 20:45.49 | drom | Wormy_semi_here Ghelae: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKzrnKR3Ts |
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| 21:03.34 | drom | A tube of cold chocolate sauce is indeed harder than bone |
| 21:04.12 | Ghelae | Did you just break a bone on chocolate? |
| 21:04.20 | OluapPlayer_ | Xho: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/593/447.jpg VOULT BOI |
| 21:04.32 | Xho | There's Ghouls, and there's that |
| 21:04.46 | OluapPlayer_ | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/792/a7d.png also this |
| 21:05.14 | drom | Ghelae: I sprained my thumb trying to squeeze out some chocolate on my ice cream |
| 21:07.34 | drom | I put all of my force on the tube, only a small droplet came on my ice cream |
| 21:08.23 | drom | Wormy_semi_here Ghelae The_Randomness Tek0516: IT IS REAL http://observer.com/2012/04/bottoms-up-the-ballmer-peak-is-real-study-says/ |
| 21:08.58 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 21:10.36 | Tek0516 | lol |
| 21:18.09 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: I find a beer helps |
| 21:18.19 | Wormy_semi_here | with any work I'm doing |
| 21:19.24 | drom | Mm.. it also seems to help to annoy Oluap |
| 21:19.51 | Wormy_semi_here | How? |
| 21:21.37 | drom | I've heard stories of a Wormy who was so drunk that it annoyed Oluap |
| 21:22.19 | Ghelae | That involves slightly more beer, I believe. |
| 21:22.38 | AGrayCat | hi |
| 21:22.43 | Wormy_semi_here | More than slightly |
| 21:24.19 | OluapPlayer_ | I don't mind people's business outside of the IRC |
| 21:24.23 | Wormy_semi_here | It depends on what I've eaten, how hydrated I am etc. but: 1 pint - feel only subtle changes, boost in creativity. 2 - start becoming more talkative 3 - tipsy, start laughing at silly things that sober perople may not 3/4 - suddenley get philosophical nerdgasms |
| 21:24.25 | OluapPlayer_ | What I mind are drunk people rambling here |
| 21:24.48 | Wormy_semi_here | 5+ a bit of an idiot |
| 21:24.57 | Wormy_semi_here | heee |
| 21:24.57 | Wormy_semi_here | here |
| 21:25.34 | Wormy_semi_here | And if I have spirits on top, I will likely be properly off my face |
| 21:26.26 | Wormy_semi_here | If I have more than a couple of glasses of wine I need to sleep |
| 21:26.31 | Wormy_semi_here | And if its cider, I become argumentative |
| 21:27.44 | Wormy_semi_here | I really try hard not to come on here past 2 or 3 pints or glasses of wine |
| 21:30.40 | Wormy_semi_here | I realise its not fun or funny for others if they are not drunk |
| 21:30.53 | OluapPlayer_ | Xho: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/043/876/5c3.gif ALLAHU |
| 21:31.15 | Xho | That was a quick escape |
| 21:31.32 | OluapPlayer_ | You came to the wrong container motherfucker |
| 21:31.55 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Primordial_Darkness#The_First_Child dragons and shit |
| 21:32.25 | Xho | +40,000 edit |
| 21:32.27 | Xho | tis big |
| 21:32.42 | OluapPlayer_ | dat exact number |
| 21:33.04 | Xho | nah |
| 21:33.08 | Xho | +40,309 |
| 21:33.10 | Xho | tis bigger |
| 21:33.28 | OluapPlayer_ | dat no longer exact number |
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| 21:41.33 | Wormy_semi_here | drom, Ghelae, OluapPlayer_ Unfortunately I've given the impression I'm an alcie |
| 21:42.15 | Wormy_semi_here | Truth is a rarely have more than a couple on weekends at best, nd only a few times a year go to get smashed |
| 21:42.38 | Wormy_semi_here | I have addicted to caffeine though |
| 21:43.12 | Wormy_semi_here | I mujst have tea or coffee every hour or so in the mornings and afternoons |
| 21:43.18 | Xho | Every adult is a caffeine addict |
| 21:43.29 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm an adult and I hate coffee |
| 21:43.37 | drom | Booooo |
| 21:43.41 | Hachiman | I don't like coffee either |
| 21:43.41 | Xho | UR NOT REEL |
| 21:43.44 | Xho | U 2 R NOT REEL |
| 21:43.53 | drom | Boooooo on you Oluap and Hachi, boooooooo! |
| 21:44.04 | Wormy_semi_here | Sometimes 4 cups of tea in succession |
| 21:44.27 | Wormy_semi_here | If I don't have enough, I get serious headaches |
| 21:44.39 | Wormy_semi_here | and grumpiness |
| 21:46.03 | Wormy_semi_here | I prefer tea to coffee |
| 21:46.42 | Xho | https://www.facebook.com/Far2fly/posts/10153113026806269 |
| 21:46.43 | Wormy_semi_here | But coffee has more caffeine (actually tea leaves have more, but you don't ingest them) |
| 21:46.52 | Xho | Wrong link |
| 21:46.59 | Xho | https://www.facebook.com/hoodvinesofficial/videos/1021199917947302/ This one |
| 21:47.15 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12247167_1054328577940283_8601813076070399839_n.jpg?oh=370cf594073b5bbf104604403c564229&oe=56FA32E1 |
| 21:47.38 | OluapPlayer_ | hur |
| 21:50.10 | Wormy_semi_here | My insides are probably dark with tannin. |
| 21:52.03 | drom | fuck you slendermahttp://i.imgur.com/Ft3H3VQ.webmn |
| 21:52.07 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.08 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/Ft3H3VQ.webm |
| 21:53.40 | drom | Hachiman Xho http://i.imgur.com/GnR9xq1.png |
| 21:54.46 | Wormy_semi_here | Tek0516: You on your PC? You might like this animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CXKPcO09s |
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| 21:56.17 | Wormy_semi_here | nop |
| 21:57.59 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: NS or DCP level badassery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZq2MPYHoY |
| 22:00.10 | drom | aw yiss |
| 22:00.31 | TekDroid | Wormy: On my phone currently |
| 22:00.53 | Wormy_semi_here | Tek: I'll post it to your wiki wall |
| 22:01.35 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: Pretty much Tier 4 vs. Tier 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8WKvyOT38 |
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| 22:11.12 | drom | Wormy_semi_here Ghelae: http://imgur.com/gallery/a7RC2 |
| 22:11.57 | Wormy_semi_here | 20,000,000 bananas would probably kill you in so many other ways |
| 22:12.38 | drom | This weeks of science! http://i.imgur.com/dO8fA4L.jpg |
| 22:12.41 | drom | week* |
| 22:12.48 | drom | stupid fuckin macbook keyboard |
| 22:12.56 | drom | this retarded shit oh god why |
| 22:15.19 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/AyjtaYw.webm |
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| 22:17.47 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: http://i.imgur.com/Xul6Ttw.webm |
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| 22:20.04 | Wormy_semi_here | science marches on |
| 22:20.42 | Wormy_semi_here | Blair did that |
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| 22:24.58 | drom | Xho: When in Super Armor and a supermutant scores a touchdown http://i.imgur.com/0EWEzNJ.webm |
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| 22:34.55 | drom | Charles_Murray Wormy_semi_here: Something tells me that GXS is related to this: http://i.imgur.com/RluYXjR.gif |
| 22:45.56 | Wormy_semi_here | drom: I hate having to log, that is write about my scripting for this production report |
| 22:46.25 | Wormy_semi_here | I understand it in my head but not well enough to articulate very well |
| 22:46.27 | drom | Wormy_semi_here: oh? |
| 22:46.48 | drom | Oh ah, production logging? |
| 22:46.55 | Wormy_semi_here | Writing about that problem I had with defining the mesh variable |
| 22:46.58 | Wormy_semi_here | yeah |
| 22:47.09 | Wormy_semi_here | and then how it was solved |
| 22:47.32 | Wormy_semi_here | Into a legiable format an examner who might have no knowledge in scripting at all must read |
| 22:47.57 | Wormy_semi_here | I hate logging my work in general |
| 22:48.05 | drom | Well. Perhaps you should use a source control |
| 22:48.24 | drom | Git is a good one |
| 22:48.37 | drom | Although very difficult to master |
| 22:48.38 | Wormy_semi_here | Hm, thanks. That is gold |
| 22:49.13 | Wormy_semi_here | Even mentioning that as a possible tool in the future is good marks I should think |
| 22:49.31 | Wormy_semi_here | I'll credit you as primary research |
| 22:50.43 | drom | I however forget to make up commits, so I hate making huge commits |
| 22:51.20 | drom | I push commits every day, and at least everytime I manage a new version |
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| 22:52.32 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 22:52.54 | Wormy_semi_here | hi |
| 22:53.21 | drom | I'm glad I have been of help for you, Wormy. |
| 22:53.41 | Liquid_Ink | Is the Tigris War titanpad even still active? |
| 22:54.06 | Wormy_semi_here | made a comment last night |
| 22:54.53 | The_Randomness | I haven't been able to do any work on it |
| 22:55.05 | Wormy_semi_here | " I'd quite like it to remain a DCP-Rambo thing. Sorry, it just seems like a special moment in history between the two. And the DCP's first ever offensive!" |
| 22:55.26 | Wormy_semi_here | I hate to come off selfish but that was a special moment for my fic |
| 22:57.31 | drom | Xho Hachiman: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/643506302069641217 |
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| 22:57.49 | Xho | fool |
| 22:57.55 | Hachiman | What a cock |
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| 22:59.11 | drom | Xho Hachiman: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/631191335253487616 |
| 22:59.44 | Wormy_semi_here | fucking selfies |
| 22:59.45 | Hachiman | Florida Man sure gets into a lot of trouble |
| 23:00.01 | drom | Hachiman: https://twitter.com/_Flor1daWoman/status/652581100657745920 |
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| 23:02.37 | drom | Hachiman Xho: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/655025055689277440 |
| 23:03.32 | drom | Hachiman: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/648501450650320896 |
| 23:04.01 | drom | Hachiman Xho: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/643617037655363584 |
| 23:07.22 | drom | Flordia Woman: 'Three-breasted Woman' arrested for DUI |
| 23:07.59 | drom | if anyone asks wtf is DUI, it is "Driving Under Influence", aka driving drunk or with alcohol in your bloodstream |
| 23:09.30 | drom | ~wtf DUI |
| 23:10.03 | Liquid_Ink | Well... |
| 23:11.37 | drom | That's Florida for you |
| 23:12.15 | drom | The only odd thing I encountered in Florida during my two week vacation was 'kettle popcorn' |
| 23:12.36 | drom | Like, who the fuck eats sweet caramellized popcorn? |
| 23:13.16 | Wormy_semi_here | "My name is Florida... why is my name Florida!" |
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| 23:15.07 | Wormy_semi_here | Everytime I think of the name "Florida" https://youtu.be/IBUw-irQOLE?t=27s |
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| 23:18.12 | Liquid_Ink | I think when we revist Universe 66501 (or whatever we rename it) we need to apply to galaxy culling we did with the primeverse. Except instead of in-story annihilation, just have it retconned. |
| 23:19.23 | drom | > + 40'000 byte edit |
| 23:19.27 | drom | > minor edit |
| 23:19.54 | drom | the irony makes the end nigh |
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| 23:23.38 | drom | I think it has potentional |
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