| 00:13.55 | GD12 | UPDATE: Around 100 dead in #Bataclan attack, according to police - @AFP |
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| 00:18.09 | GD12 | BREAKING: Huge fire now started in the âJungleâ refugee camp in #Calais #France - @MartaClinco |
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| 00:25.30 | GD12 | Happily the hostae thing is over now |
| 00:28.22 | drom | How did it go down? |
| 00:32.19 | TekDroid | Reportedly 100 dead inside |
| 00:34.19 | drom | I know this is insensitive, but I feel sorry for the janitor |
| 00:35.31 | GD12 | BREAKING: At least 140 dead in Paris attacks, including 100 at theater, Paris City hall official tells Reuters |
| 00:35.31 | Technobliterator | what even motivated this attack |
| 00:35.46 | GD12 | Its definitely a terror attack |
| 00:35.53 | Technobliterator | well |
| 00:36.01 | Technobliterator | terror attacks are normally motivated by something |
| 00:36.02 | GD12 | It could also have been done to incite a fierce backlash |
| 00:36.14 | GD12 | Since a fierce backlash would push more Muslisms to extremism |
| 00:36.19 | Technobliterator | is France just |
| 00:36.24 | Technobliterator | extremely islamophobic |
| 00:36.26 | GD12 | 7.5% muslim |
| 00:36.31 | GD12 | Not particularly yet |
| 00:36.38 | GD12 | Though this will probably incentivize Islamophobia |
| 00:36.39 | Technobliterator | that it keeps being targeted |
| 00:36.49 | Technobliterator | I know that they ban burkas there for some reason |
| 00:36.52 | GD12 | There was a protest in Germany last October with 9,000 people protesting all the immigrants |
| 00:37.24 | GD12 | But I think the repercussions will drive more Muslims to extremism |
| 00:37.32 | GD12 | Thus making attacks like these even more commonplace |
| 00:37.53 | Monet_2 | Terror attacks may have a motive but not always a goal aside to, well, spread terror. |
| 00:38.45 | GD12 | Terror attacks always make everyones day worse though |
| 00:38.57 | GD12 | So global instability is definitely a potential consequence |
| 00:39.00 | GD12 | *increased |
| 00:39.03 | GD12 | or at least in France |
| 00:39.16 | GD12 | a bit crass but in XCOM terror attacks and chrysalids ruined everone's day |
| 00:39.20 | Monet_2 | Its an easy way to make headlines. |
| 00:40.11 | Monet_2 | Or, like the Alien Terror Sites, can also be distractions. |
| 00:41.37 | GD12 | 1,500 soldiers being deployed to Paris |
| 00:41.48 | Monet_2 | Regardless of motive what's hapepning on Twitter and even here is likely exactly what the assailants wanted. |
| 00:44.16 | GD12 | Aye |
| 00:46.07 | TekDroid | Terror attacks in the modern age are all about spreading their terror and social media is tragically powerful at it. |
| 00:46.42 | GD12 | social media really plays into terrorists hands |
| 00:46.53 | GD12 | even for recruitigin |
| 00:46.56 | GD12 | *especially |
| 00:47.12 | GD12 | You don't need the massive stores of money and resources that big prviate corps and governments have |
| 00:47.21 | GD12 | Word of mouth is now just insanely powerful |
| 00:47.35 | GD12 | Even when its a crazy persons mouth |
| 00:50.25 | TekDroid | Indeed |
| 00:50.34 | TekDroid | That's the power of the digital age |
| 00:51.15 | GD12 | on reddit livestream |
| 00:51.16 | GD12 | DO NOT post information about the police movements, we don't want to help the attackers |
| 00:51.19 | GD12 | no shit? |
| 00:51.56 | Monet_2 | I think I wrote a short story based on this |
| 00:51.57 | GD12 | Sources claim that French intelligence agencies knew that big attacks were coming. |
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| 01:25.12 | drom | Pretty much a shit night today |
| 01:29.31 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 01:31.48 | Monet_2 | There have been worse |
| 01:33.15 | DrodoAway | Yes but I'd say a massacre in one of the largest cities in the world is still, as it stands, quite bad. |
| 01:33.51 | DrodoEmpire | Lets not bring up past tragedies as a matter of comparison; That's hardly in good taste |
| 01:34.51 | drom | I had it a bit worse though. I tried stuff 5000+ ships into a game with 7 expert AI with no caps and unlimited resources, I forgot to save it after 3 hours of 2 fps nightmare |
| 01:34.55 | Monet_2 | Best thing to do is not think too long about it. |
| 01:35.27 | Charles_Murray | Keep in mind, it's not your country which was attacked |
| 01:36.05 | Monet_2 | I try not to dwell on the 7/7 bombings. |
| 01:37.13 | drom | ugh, need to get rest |
| 01:38.26 | Monet_2 | So I understand. |
| 01:39.48 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_French_Colonial_Empire.png |
| 01:46.38 | Wormy_away | wyoooo hoooo |
| 01:47.43 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.47 | Wormy_away | fuck |
| 01:47.54 | Wormy_away | who is stealing my ,oney |
| 01:48.08 | Wormy_away | oh |
| 01:48.10 | Wormy_away | i get it |
| 01:50.06 | DrodoEmpire | http://imgur.com/gallery/gs8AVNz |
| 01:54.10 | Wormy_away | fallouts good for the wprld http://imgur.com/gallery/5KILycF |
| 02:05.57 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/a5kQTT9 |
| 02:07.02 | Wormy_away | DrodoEmpire: http://imgur.com/gallery/5gaKnb7 |
| 02:07.22 | DrodoEmpire | Jesus Christ... |
| 02:08.27 | Wormy_away | Charles_Murray: I saw what was happening in France on the pub television. Its horrid stuff |
| 02:08.58 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 02:09.19 | Wormy_away | 140 killed |
| 02:09.31 | Wormy_away | at least from what I saw reported |
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| 02:25.49 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 02:26.27 | OfficerJackal | Hey. |
| 02:27.06 | Wormy_away | I saw this punk band tonight, and the singer based this song on a real murder https://andyt.bandcamp.com/track/sophie-lancaster |
| 02:27.13 | Wormy_away | It was quite emotional |
| 02:27.25 | Wormy_away | that happened in his area |
| 02:27.58 | Wormy_away | girl kicked to death because she looked sifferent |
| 02:32.02 | Wormy_away | the singer was crying |
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| 09:21.28 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 09:21.36 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 09:25.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:25.16 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 09:28.22 | Hachiman | Don't suppose anyone heard about what happened in France |
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| 09:32.36 | OluapPlayer | Ngh already |
| 09:33.49 | Liquid_Ink | Hachiman: I'm fairly sure we've all heard about what happened in France |
| 09:35.24 | Hachiman | It's scary how coordinated it was; six different areas were attacked simultaneously |
| 09:35.33 | Hachiman | If not more, if I recall |
| 09:38.27 | drom | We saw it live this night |
| 09:39.05 | drom | The toll was 158 when I last read it |
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| 10:30.43 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 10:45.32 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
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| 11:24.08 | AdmiralPanda | hi u lot |
| 11:25.08 | Liquid_Ink | hi u wun |
| 11:25.38 | AdmiralPanda | rolls up an echidna and throws it at Liquid_Ink |
| 11:26.07 | Liquid_Ink | hides behind a wombat. |
| 11:26.22 | Liquid_Ink | Of all our animals I feel the wombat is underappreciated |
| 11:26.31 | AdmiralPanda | absolutely |
| 11:26.45 | AdmiralPanda | if SatW is to be believed, you can use them in place of a beach when you feel the need to surf |
| 11:27.03 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 11:27.12 | Liquid_Ink | Yep |
| 11:27.16 | AdmiralPanda | they're also incredibly fuzzy and make excellent cover against projectile echidna |
| 11:27.18 | AdmiralPanda | s* |
| 11:27.57 | Liquid_Ink | And then you go see them for real and it turns out they're fucking massive |
| 11:28.07 | Liquid_Ink | Hence using it as cover |
| 11:28.12 | AdmiralPanda | mhm |
| 11:28.13 | Liquid_Ink | And also can maul people to death |
| 11:28.40 | Liquid_Ink | Or at least hospitalise them |
| 11:29.13 | AdmiralPanda | fun fact: so many English families make use of Danish sperm banks that it's become a local joke that the English should just come over and get it from the source |
| 11:30.10 | AdmiralPanda | also, willy wagtails are fucking adorable and this is a non-negotiable fact |
| 11:30.36 | Liquid_Ink | Yep |
| 11:30.48 | Liquid_Ink | With the wagging of the tail |
| 11:31.03 | AdmiralPanda | we have a small family of them that live in our backyard |
| 11:31.13 | Liquid_Ink | Cool |
| 11:31.33 | Liquid_Ink | Oh, and pythons! I get lots of pythons around my backyard |
| 11:31.51 | AdmiralPanda | the dangerous variety or the non-dangerous? |
| 11:32.11 | Liquid_Ink | Not venomous but being bitten wouldn't be fun |
| 11:33.42 | AdmiralPanda | so yeah the not really dangerous kind, the very huggable kind |
| 11:33.49 | AdmiralPanda | *very* *huggable* |
| 11:34.23 | Hachiman | >pythons >huggable |
| 11:34.25 | Hachiman | What |
| 11:34.31 | Hachiman | Oh right constrictors |
| 11:34.47 | Liquid_Ink | Very beautiful |
| 11:35.15 | Liquid_Ink | Of course, if I see a small thin brown one I retreat so fast my legs barely touch the ground. |
| 11:35.25 | AdmiralPanda | actually on the subject of beautiful, coral snakes |
| 11:35.37 | AdmiralPanda | coral in general but coral snakes |
| 11:35.46 | Liquid_Ink | I've never seen one. |
| 11:35.57 | Hachiman | Nasty things |
| 11:36.02 | AdmiralPanda | google it |
| 11:38.02 | AdmiralPanda | also, irridescent snakes are amazing |
| 11:38.08 | AdmiralPanda | I want one in royal purple |
| 11:38.39 | Liquid_Ink | I mean I've never seen one in person |
| 11:39.06 | AdmiralPanda | oh yeah no never seen one in person, but they are beautiful |
| 11:39.22 | Hachiman | You should hope never to see one in person |
| 11:39.35 | Hachiman | They're incredibly dangerous |
| 11:39.58 | Liquid_Ink | Of course |
| 11:42.47 | AdmiralPanda | dammit it's thorny devil not horny devil, could have made an amazing pun |
| 11:43.12 | AdmiralPanda | http://www.genesispark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Thorny-Devil.jpg referring to this of course |
| 11:44.03 | Liquid_Ink | I keep accidentally calling them Horney Devils of course |
| 11:44.36 | AdmiralPanda | I don't even call them that accidentally |
| 11:44.53 | AdmiralPanda | like for hte longest time I thought that was actually what they were called, it's just ingrained now |
| 11:45.12 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 12:15.03 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
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| 12:16.29 | Hachiman | spak |
| 12:16.33 | Liquid_Ink | Hey there |
| 12:17.04 | Guest47262 | The hell |
| 12:17.14 | Spu | Nevermind |
| 12:17.18 | Spu | Hi |
| 12:17.31 | Spu | https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/some-random-idea So I had an idea |
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| 12:18.25 | Spu | ups |
| 12:18.25 | Hachiman | Sounds pretty good |
| 12:18.26 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:18.31 | OluapPlayer | spi |
| 12:18.47 | OluapPlayer | needs Hysteria up dis shit |
| 12:20.08 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman Spu AndroImp: pls |
| 12:20.13 | Hachiman | Yeah sure |
| 12:20.18 | Spu | k den |
| 12:20.26 | AndroImp | Щ ÑÑ Ð·Ð° ÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑ zsns |
| 12:20.34 | Spu | Christ what |
| 12:20.51 | AndroImp | I am on Android |
| 12:20.53 | OluapPlayer | speek normal letters |
| 12:21.03 | AndroImp | влвлÑÑÑÑабÑбÑбввÑдвдвдвдÑжÑк2 2д2Ñж2Ñ
Ñ 2 |
| 12:21.30 | Hachiman | Guess you could say Russian is a |
| 12:21.30 | Hachiman | Backwards language |
| 12:21.31 | OluapPlayer | I'll take that as a no then |
| 12:21.42 | OluapPlayer | Top bah |
| 12:23.14 | OluapPlayer | Getting tired of waiting |
| 12:23.19 | Hachiman | http://i.imgur.com/FTjYNSy.png?1 So I decided to make an Arch-Chancellor for the Sovereignty - the guy who heads the Uroboros |
| 12:23.40 | OluapPlayer | Beeg horns |
| 12:23.50 | AdmiralPanda | rolls up an echidna and throws it at the entire IRC |
| 12:24.04 | Hachiman | Arch-Chancellor Elravan Felrian |
| 12:24.15 | Spu | goat elves |
| 12:24.20 | OluapPlayer | Quad-dong hedgehog |
| 12:24.31 | Hachiman | fuk off u got edgy spike dark elves |
| 12:24.44 | Spu | u got anthro rabbits |
| 12:25.11 | OluapPlayer | i got qt witch girl |
| 12:26.50 | AdmiralPanda | you all got crippling social anxiety and too many fetishes to count |
| 12:27.05 | OluapPlayer | That is true, yes |
| 12:27.22 | Spu | Social anxiety, no, fetishes...well maybe I dunno |
| 12:34.18 | Spu | So Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the Paris attacks |
| 12:34.44 | OluapPlayer | gas the ackbars |
| 12:35.54 | Liquid_Ink | Spu: They claim responsibility for all the press they can. They may have been behind it, they may not, but they'll certainly take the credit |
| 12:36.10 | Liquid_Ink | Oluap: That will only perpetuate the conflict. |
| 12:36.23 | OluapPlayer | It's already something |
| 12:37.18 | Liquid_Ink | It's already stupidity |
| 12:37.29 | Hachiman | Thankfully it should be more difficult for such attacks to occur in the UK due to the fact it's generally difficult to smuggle stuff like guns into the country as far as I know |
| 12:37.54 | Hachiman | The fact it happened so far into European borders though is frightening |
| 12:42.53 | Liquid_Ink | It's happened in the UK before, and in Madrid |
| 12:45.46 | AndroImp | Hachiman: For some reason now I imagine Sovereign government a bit like Poland now |
| 12:46.11 | AndroImp | As in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth |
| 12:46.18 | Hachiman | Oh? |
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| 13:37.00 | Hachiman | I wonder if anything lives on Koldenwelt's native moon |
| 13:37.13 | Hachiman | i wanna maek moon elfs |
| 13:39.48 | OluapPlayer | I'd rather keep them uninhabited |
| 13:39.56 | OluapPlayer | We got a lot of space to fill already |
| 13:42.01 | Hachiman | Eh I suppose that's fair enough |
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| 14:08.16 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/rzWLj6B.png |
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| 14:10.09 | Hachiman | Hi Imp |
| 14:10.12 | Hachiman | HYSTERIA NOW PLS |
| 14:12.35 | OluapPlayer | ye |
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| 14:14.23 | Imperios | [17:10:00] Êàíàë ñèíõðîíèçèðîâàí çà 3.0 ñåêóíä |
| 14:14.25 | Imperios | wsarqawfr |
| 14:14.27 | Imperios | ïôð öôàîôû |
| 14:14.34 | Imperios | Gah what is with this keyboard |
| 14:14.36 | OluapPlayer | Gone full berserk |
| 14:14.37 | Imperios | Alright link |
| 14:14.55 | Imperios | Sorry my sister came and tore off my keyboard's plg |
| 14:14.57 | Imperios | plug |
| 14:15.02 | Hachiman | Little bitch |
| 14:15.22 | OluapPlayer | dats rude |
| 14:15.26 | Hachiman | Should have taught her a lesson and threw her |
| 14:15.36 | OluapPlayer | Spu: Wake up nao |
| 14:15.48 | Imperios | Not her |
| 14:15.50 | Imperios | Her friend |
| 14:15.55 | Imperios | Crazy Slav girl |
| 14:15.59 | Hachiman | In that case |
| 14:16.03 | Hachiman | Should have killed her |
| 14:16.07 | Hachiman | And then threw your sister |
| 14:16.51 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/rzWLj6B.png |
| 14:17.14 | Spu | BLAH |
| 14:17.34 | Imperios | FUCK THEM |
| 14:17.41 | Imperios | THEY JUST TURNED OFF THE LIGHTS |
| 14:17.56 | OluapPlayer | Children are terrible things |
| 14:18.00 | Imperios | AND GRABBED THEIR TOY LIGHTSABER |
| 14:18.07 | Imperios | Now my entire room is lit in red lights |
| 14:21.30 | drom | Hm. Perhaps I should be happy about being the youngest sibling |
| 14:24.19 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Hachiman Spu: So apparently the guy I made my first Spore fiction with now leads Communist demonstrations in his city |
| 14:24.23 | Imperios | drom too |
| 14:24.42 | Spu | eh |
| 14:26.31 | Imperios | It was before SporeWiki |
| 14:26.39 | Imperios | This guy has always had a fascination with the Soviet Union |
| 14:26.48 | Imperios | Now he protests on the streets |
| 14:27.10 | Spu | Does he wear a fedora |
| 14:27.46 | Imperios | Strangely enough |
| 14:27.48 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 14:27.48 | Imperios | Yes |
| 14:28.27 | Spu | Knew it |
| 14:28.43 | Imperios | I do not exactly see how fedoras are linked to street protesters though |
| 14:29.12 | Spu | I mean his fascination with the Soviet Union and that he did Spore fanfic |
| 14:29.17 | Spu | There's only one kind of person |
| 14:32.52 | drom | That's skewed up |
| 14:35.13 | Hachiman | Well, hey, it is not all that unusual |
| 14:35.20 | Hachiman | I mean I consider myself a failure at life too |
| 14:35.33 | Spu | hao can u fail at wat u dunt hav |
| 14:36.13 | drom | Hachiman: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/395550145297968029/8A00A4387C4C1EA21B245A885B29D86C77C298D9/ |
| 14:37.44 | drom | Hachiman: And oh, I had this yesterday. http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/395550145295016409/D04F8D5C7D85A051D878C65FAAE3A742D608513E/ |
| 14:37.52 | Hachiman | Jesus |
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| 14:40.45 | drom | Hachiman: And the early stages of the teathre was a tactical mess. http://i.imgur.com/zSgi7sD.jpg |
| 14:41.19 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:41.53 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/xzbmfpf.png |
| 14:42.36 | Wormy_ | I was in a pub when it came on the news |
| 14:42.41 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.44 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 14:43.09 | Hachiman | Funnily enough, so was I |
| 14:43.59 | drom | Hachiman Spu Wormy_ Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/tJxVBIt.jpg |
| 14:44.00 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.23 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 14:47.01 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I listened to this amazing punk band, but with a different style: He based this song on a goth who was murdered by chavs near where he lives, it was quite an emotional one with tears running down his face https://andyt.bandcamp.com/track/sophie-lancaster |
| 14:48.31 | Wormy_ | Good songs too https://andyt.bandcamp.com/track/the-war-on-terror https://andyt.bandcamp.com/track/i-still-hate-thatcher |
| 14:48.49 | Spu | Wormy_ https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/some-random-idea That being said I did this random thing earlier |
| 14:50.08 | Wormy_ | Wow, that's really good |
| 14:51.04 | Wormy_ | We also had Steve Ignorant last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqNHgJMDts |
| 14:52.00 | Wormy_ | better link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KSkIbVeUI8 |
| 14:54.51 | Wormy_ | I like punk and metal |
| 15:17.09 | Hachiman | "The eradication of an entire religion is the only way to ensure our safety, claims fucking moron" |
| 15:17.26 | Spu | heh |
| 15:22.55 | Wormy_ | The far right will be using this tragedy to their every advantage |
| 15:32.24 | drom | Looks like the Spore forums is killed by an "internal server error" |
| 15:33.09 | Spu | Oh dear what a shame |
| 15:33.14 | Spu | Spore forums are cancerous |
| 15:35.23 | Spu | I four layers of clothing on and I'm still freezing |
| 15:36.50 | Imperios | Hachiman: Just curious |
| 15:36.56 | Imperios | Did you see the Furry Force videos |
| 15:37.06 | Hachiman | No, never heard of them |
| 15:38.55 | Imperios | Google them |
| 15:39.39 | Spu | >furry force |
| 15:39.39 | Spu | why |
| 15:40.03 | Imperios | Spu: It's not as bad as you think |
| 15:40.05 | Imperios | IT'S WORSE |
| 15:40.27 | Imperios | It's a College Humor thing |
| 15:40.32 | Imperios | You too can google it |
| 15:40.38 | Spu | nothanxm8 |
| 15:41.42 | Imperios | As I said, College Humor |
| 15:41.45 | Imperios | So, satire |
| 15:42.28 | Hachiman | Oh CH |
| 15:42.32 | Hachiman | Yeah I watched like one |
| 15:42.48 | Hachiman | I was too disgusted to watch anymore if they did release anymore |
| 15:43.19 | Imperios | They made the other two |
| 15:43.21 | Imperios | *two more |
| 15:43.27 | Imperios | And they're even more terrible |
| 15:43.54 | Hachiman | ech |
| 15:44.15 | Hachiman | There should be a mini-fiction in the Fantasyverse inspired by Jaws |
| 15:44.25 | Imperios | LUNGSHARK |
| 15:44.36 | OluapPlayer | git bak to the rp |
| 15:44.44 | Hachiman | A particularly large sharktopus / lungshark bothers a town |
| 15:45.51 | Spu | We're gonna need a bigger galleon |
| 15:47.16 | *** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian (uid109476@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kulozvwuifvtcxzr) |
| 15:47.16 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ |
| 15:47.24 | OluapPlayer | ~kick Cyrannian |
| 15:47.26 | infobot | ACTION kicks Cyrannian |
| 15:47.26 | Cyrannian | Hi guys |
| 15:47.31 | Cyrannian | ~smack OluapPlayer |
| 15:47.32 | infobot | ACTION smacks OluapPlayer upside the head. |
| 15:47.34 | drom | We're gonna need a submersible |
| 15:47.40 | Imperios | CH always makes good stuff |
| 15:47.45 | Imperios | Hi Cyr |
| 15:47.49 | drom | sinks the galleon |
| 15:48.24 | drom | Hai Cyra |
| 15:48.48 | drom | My toolbox page has been updated with the Force save modification. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dromlexer/Toolbox |
| 15:49.36 | Cyrannian | Interesting, I still haven't tried your improved graphics modification |
| 15:52.16 | drom | It's not mine, but it took me an awfully long time to try digging up it again |
| 15:52.55 | Cyrannian | I'm nervous to try it, since my computer isn't the best for gaming |
| 15:53.27 | Spu | get better comp scrub |
| 15:54.15 | Cyrannian | aye |
| 15:56.16 | drom | Well. If your computer can handle Spore on the highest settings, then you should have no issue |
| 15:56.35 | *** join/#sporewiki Charles_Murray (ad2e66d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.46.102.213) |
| 16:04.05 | drom | Hai Charles_Murray |
| 16:04.11 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
| 16:04.18 | drom | Charles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/rzWLj6B.png |
| 16:04.32 | Charles_Murray | Yeah, I saw that. xD |
| 16:06.11 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/14aiLp3.png |
| 16:07.59 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_French_Colonial_Empire.png |
| 16:08.38 | Wormy_ | Imperios, Charles_Murray, drom, Cyrannian: I've made an essay for Facebook. What do you think? http://pastie.org/private/hi10grneuj5ahq2qflglq |
| 16:10.00 | Cyrannian | Very well said Wormy, I completely agree |
| 16:11.15 | Charles_Murray | I agree. Well written, treats the subject with respect, and has the potential to anger only archconservatives. |
| 16:11.36 | Wormy_ | Can't please everyone |
| 16:11.53 | Wormy_ | That I mean, refers to the archcons |
| 16:12.03 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 16:12.25 | Charles_Murray | Eh, I -really- don't want a repeat of Bush's foreign policy, so I'm with you there. |
| 16:14.53 | Wormy_ | I believe the West has cocked up like what Bush's foreign policy. And it seems there is knowledge missing on how to deal with terrorism today |
| 16:15.20 | Charles_Murray | Though I would personally disagree with what you probably would refer to as relativism and appeasement. I would disagree that the best solution to this is to wage a war of ideas against an ideology which has been historically repressed, kicked while it was down, marginalized, and thus radicalized to the most extremes of violence. While IS is so extreme it can't possibly be reasoned with (they believe the same of us) > |
| 16:16.29 | Imperios | Wormy_: I both agree and disagree |
| 16:16.33 | Charles_Murray | it is a manifestation of an identity which deserves dignity and respect. |
| 16:16.57 | Imperios | From my point of view, both ignoring Muslims altogethers and cracking down on them will result in terrorist activity |
| 16:19.05 | Wormy_ | My issue with Relativism is while it seeks to be even-handed, but its a retreat from judgement which sees the West's response as always destructive. The problem there is that it is the West that also has traditions of tolerance and so much effectively demostrate these pillars |
| 16:20.11 | Hachiman | Europe needs to do a Vlad Tepes and remove all kebabs |
| 16:20.45 | Imperios | This would make ALL kebabs explosive |
| 16:20.48 | Imperios | Instead of just some |
| 16:20.49 | Charles_Murray | I would disagree with that last point. That tolerance has always been restricted to a set group of people. For example, if you read Montesquieu, he has a line where he declares that every people deserve a government that falls in line with what works with them, and is attuned to their sensibilities. > |
| 16:20.57 | Imperios | Trust us on that |
| 16:21.06 | Imperios | We've tried removing kebabs in the past |
| 16:21.08 | Charles_Murray | Two lines later, he denounces the Iroquois form of government as incorrect. |
| 16:22.44 | Charles_Murray | (And he does this with just about ever non-western government) |
| 16:22.47 | Imperios | In what way? |
| 16:22.59 | Wormy_ | Hm, I do not intend in my essay to across as the West ignoring the values of cultures, so it does need some treatment; "openness to change and ideas from other cultures" is one such value |
| 16:24.15 | Wormy_ | It is not just war, but also tolerance and open-minded knowledge building that must happen between the West and ultraconservatives in the world |
| 16:24.58 | Wormy_ | The problem is, attempts that worked in the past have failed in recent times, so it could be that such knowledge doesn't yet exist |
| 16:25.09 | Charles_Murray | Though I wouldn't say that the west is. After all, France is militantly French, forcing its immigrants to cohere to its idea of Frenchness. A recent coke ad featuring all sorts of immigrant cultures and labeling them "American" grew TONS of criticism for being un-American. |
| 16:26.35 | Imperios | I can't say it's a bad thing |
| 16:26.48 | Imperios | Overall it's better for a country to be unified by something |
| 16:27.22 | Charles_Murray | It's not extremely xenophobic, but within western societies there are a great many sources of discrimination against foreigners. In the international system, the organizations that underpin the UN and other such agencies are very biased towards the West in their decision-making, practice, and policy. |
| 16:27.53 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Perhaps, but calling it tolerance is a bit problematic. |
| 16:28.10 | Imperios | I mean things like culture |
| 16:28.10 | Charles_Murray | (If you guys would like me to stop, let me know. I'm enjoying this discussion) |
| 16:28.25 | Wormy_ | Fully agree there. I would argue recent actions by Theresa May in my country are very intolerant |
| 16:28.30 | Imperios | I mean it'd make sense for every French, native or immigrant, to be... Frenchie |
| 16:29.13 | Charles_Murray | *looks up Theresa May* |
| 16:29.23 | Spu | Theresa May |
| 16:29.29 | Spu | ngh |
| 16:30.31 | Wormy_ | Its almost like Muslims are being considered guilty first and have to prove their innocence. Imams are being asked to spy on young Muslims. Lecturers and other public sector workers have to as well. And then recently, a university student was interrogated by officials in his university library for reading an anti-terror book |
| 16:30.50 | Wormy_ | He was studying terrorism |
| 16:30.53 | Charles_Murray | I heard about that last one. xD |
| 16:31.44 | Wormy_ | Things like this do actually corrode my image of an open society's values |
| 16:32.50 | Wormy_ | So no, I don't think the West's judgement is always perfect (I.e. Bush Administration) or that ultraconservatism can only be stepped on. |
| 16:33.34 | Charles_Murray | I've studied how the Bush Administration actually functioned. I very much believe that those neo-cons can be stepped on. xD |
| 16:34.51 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 16:36.34 | Charles_Murray | Wormy : I'm getting a passage from the book I read for class, hold on. xD |
| 16:36.41 | Charles_Murray | It's gold |
| 16:39.16 | Charles_Murray | http://pastie.org/private/1p1xw8q7fsoo6sm8c1j2iq |
| 16:39.19 | Charles_Murray | Wormy_ |
| 16:39.32 | *** join/#sporewiki drom_ (~drom@unaffiliated/drom) |
| 16:39.43 | Charles_Murray | drom_ : http://pastie.org/private/1p1xw8q7fsoo6sm8c1j2iq |
| 16:41.31 | Wormy_ | Charles_Murray: You might like a documentary called Bitter Lake, about the failrure of the Bush Administration to cause transformation or predict what would happen |
| 16:41.41 | Imperios | Wormy_: "Imams are being asked to spy on young Muslims" I am not sure if that's a bad idea |
| 16:41.46 | Imperios | They're genuinely vulnerable |
| 16:42.09 | Wormy_ | True, but its still going to make them feel marginalised, which goes with what Charles was saying |
| 16:42.44 | Charles_Murray | I also imagine the Imam can't refuse. |
| 16:43.14 | Wormy_ | I don't know about the Imams, but lecturers (unless they are in Exford or Cambridge) can't refuse or will lose their jobs |
| 16:43.19 | Wormy_ | *Oxford |
| 16:45.02 | Wormy_ | I have a relative who's a lecturer, he recently was forced to go to a PREVENT programme. Apparently suspicious behaviour he has to look out for includes getting a job (wtf???) and looking nervous in the street |
| 16:45.41 | Charles_Murray | Hm. This is most definitely not my area of expertise, but if I were to speculate without doing much research, I would imagine that the discrimination doesn't come immediately after the Imam is asked to spy on his congregation. For one, it does turn a place of religious sanctuary (which young people would go to to air out their troubles) into a place where you can get caught. |
| 16:46.00 | Imperios | What we must do is both check on them and rally them |
| 16:46.12 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (2f37c603@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.55.198.3) |
| 16:46.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 16:46.37 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 16:47.01 | Imperios | That's kinda like what we do |
| 16:47.10 | Charles_Murray | Second, the very fact that surveillance is there means that Muslim youth are being targeted specifically, and are more likely to get caught for petty crimes than those not under constant surveillance (like the white population). Furthermore, they are more likely to get convicted and sentenced more harshly due to court discrimination. |
| 16:47.40 | Imperios | We keep them in check, invite imams loyals to our cause, but at the same time treat them wiht respect |
| 16:47.43 | Imperios | Building mosques and whatnot |
| 16:47.54 | Imperios | Actually we don't ahve imams |
| 16:47.56 | Imperios | We have muftis |
| 16:51.04 | Charles_Murray | But all of this to say, I would rely on the West's judgement to make judgements about the West and Western societies (even then, their governance is questionable, but it's the best we've got). But when it comes to making judgements about non-westerners, I would prioritize in an instant the judgement of non-westerners, and perhaps include the West's analysis as a footnote. |
| 16:51.28 | DrodoEmpire | What |
| 16:51.32 | DrodoEmpire | *What's this about? |
| 16:53.43 | Wormy_ | Tolerance mostly |
| 16:53.46 | Imperios | Of course |
| 16:54.14 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
| 16:54.59 | Charles_Murray | Anyway, the conversation's died down. I apologize. |
| 16:56.44 | Wormy_ | On second thought, I won't post my essay to Facebook until I've adequately explained how the West can deal with Ultraconservatism through alternative means |
| 16:57.36 | Wormy_ | I elluded to it, but without that detail it can be easily misinterpreted |
| 16:58.08 | Wormy_ | *alluded |
| 17:05.34 | Hachiman | Like I said before |
| 17:05.46 | Hachiman | Europe needs to Vlad Tepes II: Electric Boogaloo |
| 17:05.48 | Imperios | But aren't you part kebab |
| 17:06.03 | Imperios | Also we already have one |
| 17:06.07 | Imperios | Vladimir |
| 17:07.00 | Hachiman | I'm not part kebab; as far as I can recall my immediate family for at least five generations is full white |
| 17:07.29 | Imperios | Didn't you say you believe to have a smidge of South Asian or Middle Eastern blood |
| 17:08.01 | Hachiman | I believe I do but nothing recently added |
| 17:08.30 | Imperios | Still kebab |
| 17:08.31 | Imperios | REMOVE |
| 17:08.48 | Hachiman | I'm not a dangerous kebab though |
| 17:08.52 | Hachiman | Because I'm not Muslim hur |
| 17:09.13 | Spu | remove fish and chips |
| 17:09.54 | Imperios | Bah |
| 17:09.59 | Imperios | Please note |
| 17:10.02 | Imperios | We have a city |
| 17:10.04 | Imperios | It's 50% keba |
| 17:10.06 | Imperios | kebab |
| 17:10.09 | Imperios | And 50% non-kebab |
| 17:10.15 | Imperios | AND NO-ONE GETS REMOVED IN IT |
| 17:10.20 | OluapPlayer | Imp are you going to write anything more in the rp |
| 17:10.25 | Imperios | Kazan, the capital of Russian religious tolerance |
| 17:10.30 | Imperios | Not until I put this kebab into place |
| 17:10.39 | Spu | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook |
| 17:10.51 | Charles_Murray | https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10152545792982217/?fref=nf |
| 17:10.55 | Spu | France can't catch a break right now |
| 17:11.20 | Charles_Murray | ^ After a moment of silence, the national assembly spontaneously breaks into a rendition of La Marseillaise. |
| 17:11.27 | Imperios | Nice |
| 17:11.32 | Imperios | I mean seriously |
| 17:11.40 | Imperios | Have you ever heard of the Temple of All Religions?A |
| 17:11.46 | Imperios | And WHO built it? |
| 17:12.57 | Hachiman | Never heard of it |
| 17:13.50 | Imperios | It's our thing |
| 17:14.04 | Imperios | A monument to religious tolerance, built by a Muslim Tatar, no less |
| 17:14.47 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hysteria#The_Sea_of_Sorrows thing |
| 17:14.52 | Imperios | Again, we have a 50% Muslim 50% Christian city where no-one gets killed |
| 17:15.03 | Imperios | So please give me a break |
| 17:17.30 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook |
| 17:17.32 | Wormy_ | Another tragedy |
| 17:17.32 | Imperios | It's not their fault your government cannot control immigration or terrorism |
| 17:18.15 | Imperios | Why are you not responding? |
| 17:18.42 | Hachiman | I think it is quite obvious that the kebabs need to be removed ASAP before the same thing that happened in France happens to more places; I always had that suspicion that Mohammed from the cheap tobacco shop and Hamza from Lloyds Bank were with ISIS |
| 17:19.17 | Imperios | That is not funny |
| 17:19.33 | Imperios | You're talking about like 33% of the world |
| 17:20.37 | Hachiman | In seriousness, I do not agree with Islamophobia at all and I do agree that it is possible for Muslims to co-exist peacefully in Britain without discrimination |
| 17:21.36 | Imperios | It just will be very hard and you'll probably have to close borders a bit more |
| 17:21.51 | Imperios | Yes it is my turn to be right-wing |
| 17:22.21 | Hachiman | Yes and face discrimination from the rest of Europe for shutting out vulnerable people even though they are doing the same thing |
| 17:23.11 | OluapPlayer | I can tell I'm not going to get any feedback while you're all on political talk mode again, so I'll be asking another day |
| 17:25.19 | Imperios | And that's why the world is stupid |
| 17:25.28 | Imperios | For a second I read "Europe" as "Empire" |
| 17:26.15 | Wormy_ | Controlling borders a bit more is not necessaril;y a bad thing imo, but we should always give refuge |
| 17:26.25 | Hachiman | You are proposing that the UK co-exists with an increasing Muslim population while shutting off borders to vulnerable Muslims from the Middle East |
| 17:26.32 | Wormy_ | as much as our country can allow |
| 17:26.43 | Hachiman | It's not possible |
| 17:27.42 | Imperios | Without the large influx the population would be easier to stabilise I guess |
| 17:27.54 | Imperios | Also more decisive action is needed in Syria |
| 17:28.51 | Charles_Murray | Wait, is he actually being serious? I was thinking he was trolling up to this point. |
| 17:28.57 | Imperios | If anyone needs to take refugees, it's the USA |
| 17:29.01 | Imperios | And Saudi Arabia at that matter |
| 17:29.08 | Imperios | I'd say Turkey too but they take refugees |
| 17:29.54 | Imperios | So they're okay |
| 17:30.47 | Hachiman | Honestly I think the UK needs to pull out from most of the Middle East except Syria |
| 17:31.02 | Hachiman | The UK was not even supposed to be in the Middle East in the first place |
| 17:31.06 | Imperios | I mean the perpetrators of the conflict are the ones who need to take on the responsibility |
| 17:31.10 | Technobliterator | Charles_Murray, you have to remember Imperios is Russian, so he has a very different perspective from us :P |
| 17:31.23 | Charles_Murray | I agree with Imperios |
| 17:31.27 | Imperios | Pretty much |
| 17:31.31 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 17:31.40 | Imperios | cyka musulmane |
| 17:31.51 | Technobliterator | who was the troll then :o |
| 17:32.35 | Imperios | First him |
| 17:32.40 | Imperios | Now he's serious |
| 17:34.09 | Imperios | Hachiman: Exactly, you do not have much to take blame fore |
| 17:34.11 | Imperios | *for |
| 17:34.22 | Hachiman | Islamaphobia is a serious issue in the UK and I do not support it in any way whatsoever, but I honestly think that the UK does need to close its borders to Syrians - no matter what the rest of Europe says about us -, pull from the rest of the Middle East and send more assets into Syria, and focus on the problem the UK faces outside of terrorism |
| 17:34.31 | Technobliterator | Anyways, my opinion is that this was a tragic event, maybe non-Russian governments will fight ISIS more now, blablabla, and we should stop bringing immigrants and migrants into it |
| 17:34.52 | Hachiman | We put more resources towards housing Syrians and foreign Muslims rather than housing homeless Britons |
| 17:34.57 | Technobliterator | or really furthering any agenda other than "stand up to ISIS" |
| 17:34.57 | Hachiman | And I find that *disgusting* |
| 17:34.58 | Imperios | It's the birthplace of Salafism and the instigator of recent political instability in the Middle East that are responsible |
| 17:35.02 | Imperios | And that's two places |
| 17:35.07 | Imperios | Saudi Arabia and the US |
| 17:35.17 | Technobliterator | Though ISIS was the US' fault |
| 17:35.20 | Hachiman | Which is also why I disagree with sending charity to Africa |
| 17:35.31 | Technobliterator | for arming mercenaries in the area |
| 17:36.02 | Imperios | And Saudi Arabian clerics created the monetary and ideological fundation for ISIS |
| 17:36.16 | Imperios | These two countries are to blame |
| 17:36.27 | Imperios | Maybe us too but that was in our previous incarnation so we're clean |
| 17:36.28 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi |
| 17:36.39 | Charles_Murray | Not Salafi o.O |
| 17:36.43 | Imperios | Wahhabism and Salafism are synonyms aren't they |
| 17:36.48 | Imperios | I mean Salafism was founded by al-Wahhab |
| 17:36.53 | Technobliterator | Imperios, have you seen Putin's speech on how the US is to blame for ISIS? |
| 17:37.01 | Charles_Murray | In my recollection, they're very different |
| 17:37.49 | Charles_Murray | Moreover, one is an extremist ideology, the other is a mainstream interpretation of islamic theology. |
| 17:38.41 | Imperios | A little bit |
| 17:38.45 | Hachiman | I have already made my stance clear on how Africa is a lost cause; the US needs to start taking in immigrants and the rest of Europe needs to start pooling into Syria and make it safe again so the immigration problem decreases and we can keep our borders open |
| 17:38.51 | Technobliterator | I don't normally trust Putin, but I do think he's onto something |
| 17:38.52 | Technobliterator | they fund and arm all the mercenaries in the area |
| 17:38.55 | Technobliterator | and that eventually led to helping ISIS |
| 17:39.50 | Imperios | I am not exactly sure about that but the two are interconnected |
| 17:40.02 | Hachiman | Of course it is |
| 17:40.27 | Charles_Murray | This is where I divest, I don't agree with that assessment at all. |
| 17:40.30 | Hachiman | You do know that Osama bin Laden and others were armed and trained by the CIA |
| 17:40.59 | Hachiman | The US is at fault for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIS, etc |
| 17:41.14 | Charles_Murray | That's innacurate as well, but at least captures some of the truth |
| 17:41.18 | Imperios | Holy shit finally a thing Brits and Russians can agree on |
| 17:41.20 | Imperios | FUCK AMERICA |
| 17:41.36 | Hachiman | Yes, fuck America |
| 17:41.50 | Imperios | And then Tybusen shows up |
| 17:41.54 | Hachiman | Brits probably dislike America about as much as Russians do |
| 17:41.59 | Charles_Murray | Okay, the guy who studies this stuff is out. xD |
| 17:42.45 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Anyway, about Salafism and Wahhabism, afaik the one is the more militant form of the latter |
| 17:43.06 | Imperios | But both ideologies have in its core a very strict approach to religion, rejection of innovation and fundamentalism |
| 17:43.36 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I disagree about not letting refugees into the country. In fact we are letting in a dismal amount, about 20,000 over a four year period or something. A lot of what is being done for refugees is charity, collection points for clothes and so on |
| 17:44.00 | Hachiman | I disagree |
| 17:44.02 | Wormy_ | Instead that saort of thing goes to the ti[ |
| 17:44.03 | Imperios | Besides, even if you take Wahhab out of the equation, Saudi Arabians often fund the terrorist groups in the Middle East |
| 17:44.07 | Wormy_ | tip |
| 17:44.33 | Hachiman | We can afford to house refugees but yet we cannot afford to house our homeless population |
| 17:44.35 | Hachiman | Makes sense |
| 17:44.44 | Wormy_ | That's stupid, its not that we can't afford |
| 17:45.06 | Wormy_ | Where I live in the Midlands, I'm surrounded by potential housing, such as abandoned factories |
| 17:45.12 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yikes political debate |
| 17:45.13 | Wormy_ | Does it get used? No |
| 17:45.31 | Wormy_ | Most of it is owned by greedy fucking conglomerates like Tesco |
| 17:45.46 | Wormy_ | And they are not actually using the land they are buying |
| 17:46.05 | Hachiman | I heard from certain news reports that refugees from the Middle East are allowed access to higher schooling while being paid for by the government yet the UK somehow cannot afford to do the same with its native students |
| 17:46.34 | Wormy_ | Then that is because of failures in the government |
| 17:46.40 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : I would be skeptical of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they're funding moderates, but to fund ISIS would go against their core interests. They're actually fighting against ISIS affiliates in Yemen. Plus, they're, at the core, a status quo power. Theirs is a system that thrives when there is peace in the middle east, and the only reason they'd fund rebels is to keep Iran from getting too strong. |
| 17:47.23 | Hachiman | It is no wonder why there is Islamophobic tendencies in our population when the government treats foreign Muslims better than it treats its own population |
| 17:47.32 | Charles_Murray | Saudi Arabia has absolutely no interest in global jihad, taring down borders, etc, specifically because it is those borders which are the source of its wealth. |
| 17:47.57 | Hachiman | And continues to waste billions of pounds from taxpayers by sending it to shitholes like Africa |
| 17:48.35 | Hachiman | And also by still supporting the Royal Family because fuck them |
| 17:48.38 | Charles_Murray | You think Syria is in Africa? o.O |
| 17:48.49 | Hachiman | No |
| 17:48.53 | Wormy_ | Sorry if I got a bit raised |
| 17:49.06 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: Not Saudi Arabia as a government, but individual Saudi Arabian magnates |
| 17:49.08 | Hachiman | I am on about two different issues that the British government fails at |
| 17:50.07 | Hachiman | I also think that the UK needs to pull out from the Middle East as soon as possible, excluding Syra |
| 17:50.10 | Hachiman | Syria even |
| 17:51.32 | Charles_Murray | Imperios : Ah, there we go. After all, Osama Bin Laden was descended from a prominent Saudi Arabian construction family and used their money to build up his organization. But you can't blame Saudi Arabia for that, or point to it as a source of the problem. They tend to take advantage of existing trends, flows of fighters, and dissatisfaction with the status quo. Osama Bin Laden gave > |
| 17:51.52 | Hachiman | British soldiers should not be deployed in places like Afghanistan; the Middle East is *not* our battleground, no matter how much Tony Blair wanted to kiss America's asshole |
| 17:51.53 | Wormy_ | These issues though, are in part due to the shitty way things are run in this country, and are problems that can be dealt with in the long-run |
| 17:51.55 | Charles_Murray | shape, organization, and cash to an already existing class of militants. |
| 17:52.43 | Charles_Murray | Thus, we need to look to the actual origins of the discontent among Arab/Muslim/other populations, and sources of conflict. |
| 17:53.14 | Charles_Murray | These are manifold and very complex. |
| 17:53.20 | Hachiman | The US is responsible for the evolution of what the Mujahideen has become; not the UK, so we should not have to pay repercussions for it |
| 17:53.41 | Imperios | True that |
| 17:53.53 | Charles_Murray | So pointing to just two countries and blaming them for IS isn't very useful in my opinion. |
| 17:54.05 | Imperios | True but these two are major foci |
| 17:54.16 | Imperios | Of course the overall age demographics of the Middle East is important as well |
| 17:54.27 | Hachiman | Yes because I don't see you being any more useful; if you wanted to be more useful than me, go sign up for the military and get deployed or something |
| 17:54.31 | Imperios | I mean look at Dota to see what happens if a place is populated mostly by teens |
| 17:54.57 | Charles_Murray | I would agree that the US played a major, major role. It's definitely a source of the problem. Saudi Arabia? Not so much, but it still has a role to play. |
| 17:55.00 | Imperios | The Middle East is literally Dota IRL |
| 17:55.44 | Hachiman | Either way, no matter which was responsible for ISIS, the UK was not |
| 17:55.55 | Charles_Murray | Hachiman : Imperialism |
| 17:56.04 | Charles_Murray | You guys aren't blameless in the slightest. xD |
| 17:56.44 | Charles_Murray | The UK created Israel, after all. |
| 17:56.59 | Wormy_ | In fact, the British Empire came into conflict with ultraconservative Islam |
| 17:57.12 | Hachiman | We didn't fund and train future terrorists to fight the Soviets and then leave them to their own devices to become ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc |
| 17:57.27 | Wormy_ | I'm sure our government was involved |
| 17:57.51 | Charles_Murray | No, but you and France set up the truly moronic borders. |
| 17:58.16 | Wormy_ | Anyway this is a global and interconnected world, we can't blame other countries and still expect to do nothing about the problems in the world. |
| 17:58.47 | Hachiman | I would argue that Christianity was more responsible for that than any single nation |
| 17:58.48 | Spu | Technobliterator Hachiman Wormy_: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/tesseract-style-riffage So I did something Tesseract themed |
| 17:59.13 | Wormy_ | I like |
| 17:59.29 | Spu | If you want stuff like that actually listen to Tesseract |
| 17:59.30 | Imperios | In the end, both Christianity and Islam come from one place - Judaism |
| 17:59.33 | Imperios | *one source |
| 17:59.43 | Wormy_ | You have a lot of variety in your music |
| 17:59.50 | Imperios | Which means that the real source behind all world problems is... |
| 18:00.02 | Charles_Murray | Oh god |
| 18:00.06 | Wormy_ | Nah |
| 18:00.14 | Spu | HITLER WAS RIGHHHHHT |
| 18:00.18 | Wormy_ | The real source of man's inhumanity to man, is to feel. |
| 18:00.33 | Wormy_ | I advocate Equilibrium hur |
| 18:00.36 | Wormy_ | (just joking |
| 18:01.19 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RRiJoLKGM |
| 18:24.38 | Wormy_ | test |
| 18:30.39 | Spu | " The people behind last night's attacks weren't Muslims, they were extremists using religion as vindication for their cowardice" |
| 18:30.46 | Spu | That quote's quite profound I must say |
| 18:32.19 | Wormy_ | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dogs-engage-in-epic-battle-with-their-own-shadows_5633d8c1e4b00aa54a4e41c7 |
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| 18:38.54 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/9f/Wexord_Slavery.png/revision/latest?cb=20151114183807 Heh |
| 18:41.50 | Hachiman | Neat pic |
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| 18:45.36 | Cyrannian | Indeed, very nice |
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| 19:00.01 | Imperios | Charles_Murray: What's French for "to be content with"? |
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| 19:23.03 | Hachiman | Imperios: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11148735_1646578858923926_6155357150136193378_n.jpg?oh=ebe2d3176908d3b07c9a14c2f699910d&oe=56F4F7FA and https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/s235x165/12243128_10200781520695670_3499547440715419405_n.jpg?oh=99de91b25d339d284b2b9bcbd73bbb7b&oe=56BEB007 and https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p75x225/12208329_1062807637086784_8191 |
| 19:23.14 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p75x225/12208329_1062807637086784_8191866188633060959_n.jpg?oh=93182503ebbd97bdc33f367cdd97ce5f&oe=56B5BFEF&__gda__=1454268383_a4b1faa7666fb5c2c7297451208134aa if that last link didn't show up |
| 19:23.39 | Hachiman | This is why I cannot take the #BlackLivesMatter thing seriously |
| 19:24.10 | Imperios | Silly Westerners with their "social justice" |
| 19:25.50 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: You're yet to tell me what you thought of the rp |
| 19:26.16 | Imperios | Fucking alcohol genie Pelagrios |
| 19:26.18 | Imperios | FUCKING |
| 19:26.21 | Imperios | ALCOHOL-MAKING |
| 19:26.22 | Imperios | GENIE |
| 19:26.24 | Imperios | PELAGRIOS |
| 19:27.04 | Hachiman | That was pretty funny |
| 19:27.17 | OluapPlayer | I didn't mean for him to be a genie, but that's one interpretation |
| 19:27.29 | Imperios | I mean in the way he made alcohol |
| 19:31.18 | Imperios | Hachiman OluapPlayer: So I met my ex today and apparently she had an affair with a girl this autumn |
| 19:31.52 | Hachiman | kek |
| 19:32.07 | OluapPlayer | I see |
| 19:32.26 | Imperios | Not sure if I should be angry |
| 19:32.28 | Imperios | Or ECSTATIC |
| 19:34.52 | Wormy_ | too much anger in this world #polygamy |
| 19:35.28 | Hachiman | No, please no polygamy |
| 19:37.04 | Imperios | #polygamy |
| 19:37.07 | Imperios | #allahuakbar |
| 19:39.05 | Hachiman | I cannot get laid in a monogamous society, let alone a polygamous one |
| 19:42.12 | Wormy_ | DCP society is quite possibly like a school of fish in this area |
| 19:46.17 | Imperios | "Go to Kazakhstan! Look at the horse! Ride the horse! Drink the horse's milk! Eat the horse! Make the musical instrument from the horse's bones! And at the end, sing about the horse! |
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| 19:52.59 | GD12 | ohai |
| 19:57.30 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://pre04.deviantart.net/ce7c/th/pre/f/2012/220/9/8/captain_america_jr__v2_by_tlishman-d5aax2e.jpg |
| 19:57.48 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 20:18.58 | OluapPlayer | can't stump the trump |
| 20:19.42 | drom | Is it just me or is Freenode incredibly slow today? |
| 20:19.44 | drom | trumphious stands trump |
| 20:21.17 | Tek0516 | Trump still is one of the more sane Republican candidates. |
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| 20:22.56 | Imperios | What about that black surgeon gay? |
| 20:22.59 | Imperios | *guy |
| 20:23.19 | Tek0516 | ...you're joking right? |
| 20:24.00 | Tek0516 | He's probably the craziest of the lot |
| 20:27.40 | Imperios | Sorry, not very acquainted in current American politics |
| 20:27.42 | Imperios | What is he like? |
| 20:29.34 | Tek0516 | Imperios: As a sample, he stated the pyramids weren't for burials but rather for grain stprage |
| 20:29.39 | Tek0516 | *storage |
| 20:29.45 | Imperios | Dear lord |
| 20:29.51 | Imperios | All my respect for the man just dissipated |
| 20:30.07 | Tek0516 | Last debate all the candidates except Trump were basically advocating war with Russia |
| 20:30.44 | Imperios | Has he even seen the fucking pyramids |
| 20:30.47 | Imperios | On the inside |
| 20:30.51 | Imperios | I've been there |
| 20:30.57 | Imperios | They're mostly just like huge mounds of rock |
| 20:31.03 | Imperios | There's very little empty space there |
| 20:31.51 | Imperios | "Inspired by biblical tithing, Carson has proposed a flat personal and corporate income and capital gains tax of 10 to 15 percent with elimination of all deductions and abolition of the estate tax." |
| 20:31.55 | Imperios | "Inspired by biblical tithing" |
| 20:32.10 | Imperios | ISIS nods approvingly |
| 20:32.17 | Imperios | Alright the man's weird |
| 20:32.40 | Imperios | Although to be honest, I do not really believe Carson can succeed as president |
| 20:32.56 | Imperios | Just how many Republicans would vote for a black man? |
| 20:36.14 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/SengokuAvengers.jpg malver |
| 20:38.48 | Imperios | Tek0516: Do you know French? |
| 20:48.19 | Hachiman | Maruveru |
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| 20:50.47 | Vincent20100 | Any of you here playing Crusader kings 2? |
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| 20:51.06 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:54.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 20:57.59 | Hachiman | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a2/Arch-Chancellor_Elravan.png/revision/latest?cb=20151114205736 New Sovereignty elf character |
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| 21:01.57 | Imperios | Not exactly the fan of the Sovereignty having a definite leader but he looks cool |
| 21:02.37 | Hachiman | It's only symbolic if anything |
| 21:03.48 | Hachiman | Plus it is probably not a position that has to be filled |
| 21:04.05 | Hachiman | So there is not always an Arch-Chancellor |
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| 21:04.13 | OluapPlayer | Motherfucker |
| 21:13.51 | Imperios | Hi |
| 21:15.26 | Hachiman | Imperios: Who is Kaibutsu supposed to be in that pic you linked me? |
| 21:15.45 | Imperios | Erm, Hulk, I think |
| 21:16.15 | Hachiman | Raijin looks like Hulk |
| 21:17.31 | Hachiman | Oh wait |
| 21:17.41 | Hachiman | Raijin must be Thor and Kaibutsu must be Hulk |
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| 21:37.43 | Hachiman | Imperios: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12241656_1694007870835061_3415746322982431335_n.jpg?oh=5066a53e7c6057cc53d05caacac4f787&oe=56F7F5FD So my ex just liked this on Facebook |
| 21:38.05 | Imperios | It's actually a fake quote |
| 21:38.30 | Hachiman | I figured as much |
| 21:38.41 | Imperios | What he actually said is "Whosoever who says that Russia is only for ethnic Russians is either a provocationer, or an idiot" |
| 21:38.50 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:39.13 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPka_VHSuYM |
| 21:39.24 | Hachiman | But even if it is a fake quote, I suppose that is something like his migration policy right |
| 21:39.43 | Imperios | Not really |
| 21:39.51 | Imperios | We have a pretty free migration policy with Central Asia |
| 21:40.08 | Imperios | But they work |
| 21:40.15 | Imperios | They're like our Mexicans |
| 21:40.19 | Imperios | Or our Poles\ |
| 21:41.25 | Hachiman | So basically |
| 21:41.32 | Hachiman | That fake quote is bullshit |
| 21:42.41 | Cyrannian | Facebook is like the capital of fake quotes which dopes are pathologically compelled to share |
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| 22:01.07 | Imperios | As I said |
| 22:01.15 | Imperios | As Lenin once said |
| 22:01.25 | Imperios | The problem with quotes on the Internet is that everyone believes in them! |
| 22:02.17 | Imperios | Ironically, the biggest nationalists in our country are the liberals |
| 22:02.32 | Imperios | It is them that say things like "enough feeding the parasites in the Caucasus" |
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