| 00:00.09 | Monet | The thing I have found annoying abount Nintendo for a long time is that Nintendo doesn't really consider non-Nintendo platforms for its games. |
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| 00:00.20 | Technobliterator | I have made my disdain for Microsoft very clear, I use Linux for the same reason people use Chrome instead of Internet Explorer |
| 00:00.25 | Technobliterator | so yes |
| 00:00.48 | Technobliterator | same reason people use Libre Office instead of Microsoft Office |
| 00:01.16 | Monet | okay that might be pushing it. |
| 00:02.24 | Monet | Actually I can't say I've heard of Libre until now. |
| 00:02.42 | Monet | And all the computers at my university use Chrome and Firefox. |
| 00:05.53 | Technobliterator | Monet, it's not pushing it, though |
| 00:06.27 | Technobliterator | Before other browsers came along, people were made to believe that IE was the only viable web browser because of MS's purposeful misleading |
| 00:06.34 | Monet | I haven't heard as many complints for Microsoft Office as I have for Internet Explorer. |
| 00:07.01 | Technobliterator | The only reason you are allowed to change your computer's default web browser is because they lost a lawsuit that claimed they were being anticompetitive |
| 00:07.28 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft is literally run by Hitler." - Technobliterator 2015 |
| 00:07.35 | Technobliterator | Whenever your internet was slow, they would just make you believe it was because of your own connection, when the truth was that your browser sucked |
| 00:08.14 | Technobliterator | and they introduced web design that would only be compatible with IE and made it incompatible with several web standards to make it more difficult for web designers to design for any browser other than IE |
| 00:08.38 | Technobliterator | soon as other free browsers caught on and they lost the lawsuit, everyone realised their product sucked |
| 00:08.40 | Monet | Hence the anti-trust lawsuit I guess. |
| 00:08.42 | Technobliterator | This is what they do with every product |
| 00:09.30 | Technobliterator | With Office, they charge hundreds for software that can easily be acquired for free, by purposefully misleading people to believe there is no other option, and by creating new file types to prevent any competition |
| 00:09.30 | Monet | Except there's more on the market than Libre and Microsoft Office and |
| 00:09.44 | Monet | I oculd use Adobe Illustrator for example. |
| 00:09.52 | Monet | Not illustrator |
| 00:10.02 | Monet | InDesign |
| 00:10.22 | Hachiman | To be fair |
| 00:10.25 | Technobliterator | With Windows, they do the same thing. A very slow and inefficient OS, they introduce things like DirectX to make it more difficult for game developers to work with anything else |
| 00:10.49 | Technobliterator | And if it weren't for a lawsuit, which forced them to pay money into Apple, we wouldn't have Macs either - there would be no commercial alternative |
| 00:10.50 | Hachiman | The reason why a lot of people stick with Microsoft Office is because it's actually reliable software |
| 00:11.15 | Technobliterator | No, the reason is because it's made to appear as the default, why would anyone pay hundreds for what can be replaced with free software? |
| 00:11.20 | Wormy_ | open office ain't a bad alternative though |
| 00:11.24 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:11.31 | DrodoEmpire | I use OpenOffice |
| 00:11.37 | DrodoEmpire | Its pretty great |
| 00:11.39 | Technobliterator | I mean, it's kind of the same deal with Photoshop |
| 00:11.51 | Technobliterator | they make you pay a premium for that when GIMP does basically the same stuff |
| 00:12.03 | Wormy_ | used to, but now I've got Microsoft Office for free through being a student |
| 00:12.15 | Technobliterator | This is hurting the consumer just to keep shareholders happy, and this is why I resent the company |
| 00:12.22 | Monet | Okay so how come the vast majority of people use Chrome or Firefox but have a Windows PC? |
| 00:12.37 | Technobliterator | Because those are free and because people have woken up to realise that IE sucks? |
| 00:13.05 | Technobliterator | And because they lost a lawsuit which forced them to allow anyone to set a default web browser in Windows? |
| 00:13.05 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft is literally responsible for the World Wars, world hunger, and the release of Total War Rome 2." - Tech 2015 |
| 00:13.08 | Monet | Apparently a much maller number than those who realised IE sucks and changed. |
| 00:13.35 | Technobliterator | And it's not like it's not still a problem, several people won't switch from IE and still think it's the only way to access the internet |
| 00:13.50 | Wormy_ | casuals |
| 00:13.56 | Technobliterator | and when you tell them IE sucks and they should get a better browser to use it faster, they just call you an elitist and stick with what they have |
| 00:14.01 | Hachiman | "If it wasn't for Microsoft, there would be no starving children in Africa and Jewish history would not be so tragic." Tech 2015 |
| 00:14.07 | Technobliterator | This is basically the same problem any software faces |
| 00:14.24 | Monet | Software is fucking expensive to develop. |
| 00:14.36 | GD12 | Wait whats happening? |
| 00:14.48 | Technobliterator | No, it's actually really not |
| 00:14.54 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft is one of the direct reasons for Rome's downfall, therefore bringing about the dark ages" - Tech 2015 |
| 00:15.03 | Wormy_ | I think anybody wanting to work in 3D or digital media of any design will suffer being elitist about software |
| 00:15.19 | Technobliterator | Between open source software and cheap mobile software, there is no reason to pay premiums for overpriced stuff |
| 00:15.36 | Hachiman | bbl |
| 00:15.41 | Technobliterator | The reason they charged people so much for it in the past was because they could get away with it by making people think there were no alternatives |
| 00:16.01 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft funds ISIS." - Tech 2015 |
| 00:16.05 | Wormy_ | Knowing Maya really well and not knowing anything about 3dsMax won't do you anything good when all the work computers have the latter |
| 00:16.39 | Wormy_ | general principles aside |
| 00:17.25 | Monet | They can get away with it sure, but open-osurce software tends to lack a heavy price tag because no one person is paying to support it. |
| 00:17.40 | Monet | There might be donations. |
| 00:17.50 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft is the reason Toronto won the Stanley cup." - Tech 2015 |
| 00:19.48 | Monet | And unlike Microsoft, Google makes tons of cash off sellign data analytics so they have the funds to support their software projects. |
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| 00:21.48 | Monet | Offering something for free is great to get the word out and gather a customer base. Not so great if you have salaries to pay. Its how the world works. |
| 00:23.43 | Monet | You described the harmful effects of a monopoly. But OS elitism of any kind can harm the OS. |
| 00:24.34 | Monet | Like the "I'm a mac and I'm a PC adverts", the Mac guy could potentially come off as a dick because "look how great my OS is. All these features, can you do that?" |
| 00:27.21 | Technobliterator | The difference is that Google improves their products despite having a lack of competition and improve things for the consumer |
| 00:27.29 | Technobliterator | Microsoft do not do that when not forced to |
| 00:28.50 | Monet | I'd respond but I'm not clued up o nthe revolutions of WIndows 10 |
| 00:29.09 | GD12 | Microsoft improves their products |
| 00:29.16 | Monet | And like Hachi said, Microsoft Office has historically been pretty reliable. |
| 00:29.17 | GD12 | Microsoft Research |
| 00:29.37 | GD12 | Microsoft is at the forefront of AI and Machine Learning research, and thats not for immediate profit |
| 00:29.46 | Monet | I can't say I've ever had Word or Publicher crash or freeze on me. |
| 00:30.18 | Monet | GD12: All I can think of for that is Cortana. |
| 00:30.28 | GD12 | imagine tht but with smaller boobs |
| 00:30.54 | Monet | I meant the phone feature |
| 00:31.10 | Monet | Although isn't she in 10 now? |
| 00:31.18 | DrodoEmpire | I think |
| 00:31.21 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno |
| 00:31.21 | GD12 | i think so |
| 00:31.32 | GD12 | but regardless the advances of microsfot and google in ai are astounding |
| 00:31.35 | DrodoEmpire | I have the ability to upgrade but I extremely apprehensive about doing so |
| 00:31.38 | GD12 | speech recognition |
| 00:31.40 | GD12 | face recognition |
| 00:31.43 | GD12 | translation |
| 00:31.44 | Monet | Although when I thin kof Cortana I wonder how much of her came from SIRI which IIRC was part DARPA project. |
| 00:31.47 | DrodoEmpire | *I'm |
| 00:32.15 | Technobliterator | Monet, there is a difference between "reliable" and "optimum" |
| 00:32.27 | Technobliterator | Typically, even if it falls into the former category, it rarely falls into the latter |
| 00:32.36 | Technobliterator | because Windows is still slow and efficient |
| 00:33.12 | Monet | So...Word is ultimately inferior because of the OS it is natively found on? |
| 00:34.06 | Technobliterator | no |
| 00:34.15 | Technobliterator | and Word is found in Mac too |
| 00:35.04 | Technobliterator | it is inferior because it sucks, it creates its own file type for no reason other than trying to prevent anyone from using anything else and making it seem exclusive |
| 00:35.24 | Technobliterator | and it is a poorly designed mess which is stuck in the past |
| 00:35.30 | Monet | Pretty sure it can make multiple file types now |
| 00:35.31 | Wormy_ | The thing you have with optimisation, it can't be optimised for everyone. That's why Macs are a shit choice for gaming or game designers. |
| 00:35.42 | Technobliterator | That's actually not the reason |
| 00:35.55 | Technobliterator | Macs are a shit choice because Windows makes DirectX exclusive to its platform |
| 00:36.09 | Technobliterator | so game developers have a hard time solely because of that |
| 00:36.37 | Wormy_ | Well, Apple has hardly shown great interest in reaching into the gaming industry |
| 00:36.40 | Technobliterator | until OpenGL comes out with Vulcan which works on every platform, Windows will always be the better choice, but it's nothing to do with the other OS's |
| 00:36.44 | Technobliterator | Yes, that's the other reason |
| 00:36.47 | Wormy_ | Like some heroic league |
| 00:36.48 | Technobliterator | Steve Jobs used to hate gaming |
| 00:37.48 | Monet | Sounds like fostering of competition. |
| 00:38.18 | Monet | Steve Jobs hates gaming so he builds an operating system that is good for the workplace. |
| 00:40.30 | Monet | Okay, one of the reasons I don't froth at the mouth over all big companies is they have the money to accellerate development |
| 00:41.47 | Monet | Look at the gaming scene, how sophisticated would computer visuals or engine complexity be if the big studios like EA, Ubisoft or 2K didn't emerge and gaming remained the product of small one-to-five-man studios. |
| 00:41.56 | Monet | By now I mean |
| 00:42.09 | GD12 | ^ |
| 00:42.22 | Wormy_ | It annoyed me when I tried to change M Office's language preferences to British English, it was still red lining me. |
| 00:42.24 | GD12 | Like it or not the big boys with lots of funding are the guys who can push the envelope |
| 00:43.24 | Monet | Video game publishers don't just make deadlines, they're investors. |
| 00:43.56 | Monet | The million-dollar price tags we see on triple-A games today - that's money that the publisher probably helped provide. |
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| 00:44.50 | Monet | The publishers provided the studio with the loan to make the game happen for a share of the profits. |
| 00:47.04 | Monet | I wonder how uccessful the GNU project could have been if it was the brainchild of a guy in his shed and not a member of MIT's AI research dpeartment. |
| 00:49.19 | Monet | COme to think of it that goes full circle to what GD was saying |
| 00:50.08 | Monet | Oneof the most prolific open-source projects on the planet came from an institution that annually recieves billions of dollars from the US military, private companies and the US government. |
| 00:50.55 | GD12_ | Aye, sadly for the most part indies don't have the resources to really push the envelope just because of the ridiculous amount of effort and resources to invest in something revolutionary that doesn't have immediate payoff |
| 00:51.37 | GD12_ | Any truly groundbreaking technology is on the edge enough that you need lots of resources to conceptualize, prototype, etc and even then for the most part it probably can't be used by most people for a while |
| 00:51.55 | GD12_ | And doing things that don't have immediate payoff is hard for indies to do |
| 00:51.58 | GD12_ | cuz they have mouths to feed |
| 00:54.17 | Monet | Shareholders seem greedy because well its how the stock market works |
| 00:55.09 | Monet | Company successes often (but not always) translate into increased interest, which leads to more people buying shares, share prices go up and more peopel buy shares. |
| 00:55.27 | Monet | But shares also allow a public company to do more because its money coming in |
| 00:55.44 | DrodoEmpire | "Microsoft supports Donald Trump's bid for presidency." - Tech 2015 |
| 01:04.43 | Monet | GD12_: A very good point. The only exception I've seen appears to be Star Citizen |
| 01:05.14 | Monet | A crowdfunded project that has earned what was it, at least $98 million in kickstarter donations? |
| 01:06.11 | GD12_ | "Successfully raised $2,134,375 USD with 34,397 backers" |
| 01:06.17 | GD12_ | not that much but still a lot |
| 01:06.35 | Monet | There is Where did I see 98 million then? |
| 01:06.39 | GD12_ | But indies only shareholders are their backers |
| 01:06.45 | GD12_ | And its certainly sitll a massive paradigm shift |
| 01:06.55 | GD12_ | Crowdfunding is certainly a big deal |
| 01:07.14 | Monet | http://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-passes-1-million-backers-pledges-exce/1100-6431440/ maybe your information is out of date? |
| 01:07.15 | GD12_ | But i doubt you can go into the high 10s or low 100s of millions with it |
| 01:07.31 | GD12_ | oh you're right |
| 01:07.35 | GD12_ | i was looking at the kickstarter page |
| 01:07.46 | GD12_ | Well then |
| 01:07.56 | GD12_ | Thats certainly incredible |
| 01:09.00 | Monet | If this thing succeeds it may start a new wave of crowdfunded indie projects. If it flops, it might do the opposite. |
| 01:09.29 | Monet | I did some looking recently |
| 01:10.03 | Monet | Cloud Imperium Games managed to get Mark Hamill and Gary Freaking Oldman as VAs |
| 01:10.24 | GD12_ | wait wot |
| 01:10.24 | GD12_ | wow |
| 01:10.45 | Monet | http://www.pcgamer.com/star-citizen-features-gary-oldman-gillian-anderson-mark-hamill/ |
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| 01:11.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone! |
| 01:12.05 | Wormy_ | Sentient Culture vessels have the best names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacecraft_in_the_Culture_series#Novels |
| 01:12.28 | Monet | Hi |
| 01:12.30 | Monet | Okay. |
| 01:12.53 | Monet | I think Star Citizen might be one of the world's first triple-A indie titles. |
| 01:13.15 | GD12_ | yeah wow holy shit thats a lot of funding |
| 01:13.35 | GD12_ | "Of Course I Still Love You" |
| 01:13.40 | GD12_ | great name for a ship |
| 01:14.31 | DrodoEmpire | I like "Gunboat Diplomat" and "Kiss my ass" |
| 01:15.27 | Monet | I mean this is the graphical fidelity their cinematic engine has http://ec0c5a7f741a6f3bff65-dd07187202f57fa404a8f047da2bcff5.r85.cf1.rackcdn.com/images/oIdkXoCiK3du.878x0.Z-Z96KYq.jpg |
| 01:15.30 | Wormy_ | "I Blame My Mother" "I Blame Your Mother" |
| 01:16.04 | GD12_ | wow holay shit |
| 01:16.07 | GD12_ | major paradigm shift |
| 01:16.11 | GD12_ | thats ridiculous |
| 01:16.19 | Monet | http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2015/10/Screenshot-502.png |
| 01:17.27 | Monet | GD12_: I can find the trailer if you like. |
| 01:17.47 | GD12_ | aye i just watched it |
| 01:18.17 | GD12_ | On November 17, 2012, two days before campaign closure, the game achieved the record for highest crowdfunded game project with over US$4.2 million.[58] At initial pledge campaign end, the total pledge amount was above all goals initially set by Cloud Imperium Games and reached US$6.2 million.[53] |
| 01:18.22 | GD12_ | So the kickstarter for <10 mil |
| 01:18.25 | GD12_ | but they got funding later |
| 01:18.37 | GD12_ | crowdfunding on their website |
| 01:18.43 | GD12_ | then thats when they got the ridiculous numbers |
| 01:18.48 | GD12_ | dude not even AAA gun |
| 01:18.50 | GD12_ | AAAA game |
| 01:18.54 | GD12_ | *game |
| 01:19.43 | Monet | Actually I think $90 million is decent spending for a AAA title |
| 01:21.02 | Monet | Development for Witcher 3 was around $85 million |
| 01:21.13 | Monet | While GTA's was $137 million |
| 01:22.54 | GD12_ | aye |
| 01:23.27 | Monet | So SC is definitely up there with the big boys |
| 01:23.56 | Monet | Although I'd say that building something for fans of Wing Commander and Elite helped them a lot. |
| 01:24.25 | GD12_ | aye |
| 01:25.04 | Wormy_ | I need a tranhumanist but snappy name for a Cooperative habitat |
| 01:25.44 | Liquid_HalfLife | "Transhabitat" |
| 01:25.45 | Wormy_ | I get so hung up over naming things it takes me hours but i can proceed with fiction |
| 01:25.58 | Wormy_ | *before I can |
| 01:26.38 | Wormy_ | Any computerSci terms? |
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| 01:27.03 | Liquid_HalfLife | "computerSciHabitat" |
| 01:27.22 | Wormy_ | Orion's Arm has an archailect literally called foo(); |
| 01:27.40 | GD12 | lol |
| 01:27.46 | Wormy_ | GD might be able to help |
| 01:28.00 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.14 | Wormy_ | Thanks Liquid but those two are too snappy, perhaps |
| 01:29.03 | Liquid_HalfLife | Well, so much for that |
| 01:32.31 | GD12 | oh |
| 01:32.32 | GD12 | hmm |
| 01:33.07 | Wormy_ | maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable |
| 01:33.18 | Wormy_ | because it kind of is hur |
| 01:33.37 | GD12 | Turing's Lambda? |
| 01:33.50 | GD12 | Turing from Turing and Lambda from Lambda calculus |
| 01:34.02 | GD12 | or you could make it Bar Lambda |
| 01:34.11 | GD12 | Or Bar or Baz |
| 01:34.33 | Liquid_HalfLife | Wait, there are TWO GD12s |
| 01:35.31 | Wormy_ | Right, Metasyntact habitat, Baz Lambda Dyson Swarm, #Forget-me-not-cluster (choosing a flower since its a story about bees hur) |
| 01:36.20 | GD12 | hur |
| 01:49.29 | Monet | I have Frank Sinatra's "fly me to the moon" stuck in my head. |
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| 02:03.35 | Monet | Hi |
| 02:05.44 | GD12 | hey |
| 02:12.01 | Wormy_ | Started this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Manifold_Bees#The_canary_in_the_coal_mine |
| 02:12.44 | Wormy_ | I hope that now the context is like a story being told to child, I have to dumb it down too much |
| 02:12.51 | Wormy_ | *I *don't* |
| 02:13.31 | DrodoEmpire | Eight |
| 02:13.33 | DrodoEmpire | *Right |
| 02:13.40 | DrodoEmpire | Its an interesting setup for sure |
| 02:13.53 | DrodoEmpire | Feels a little surreal from a 21st century standpoint, I like t |
| 02:13.55 | DrodoEmpire | *it |
| 02:15.33 | Wormy_ | To make it even harder for me, it will tell a story of the mid-21st century |
| 02:18.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 02:18.24 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 02:18.33 | DrodoEmpire | Isn't that a relatively murky period? |
| 02:18.55 | Wormy_ | Pretty much |
| 02:19.07 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 02:20.28 | Wormy_ | In the original story, I combined Colony Collapse Disorder and a very speculative paper suggesting bees communicate in six dimensional geometry |
| 02:21.08 | Wormy_ | then quantum suicide, the bees were leaving our timeline for one without humans |
| 02:21.12 | DrodoEmpire | "paper suggesting bees communicate in six dimensional geometry" |
| 02:21.20 | DrodoEmpire | What in the everloving fuck |
| 02:21.22 | DrodoEmpire | Wh |
| 02:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | Where is this paper!? |
| 02:21.34 | Wormy_ | This story is only going to get more surreal |
| 02:21.53 | DrodoEmpire | Like that has to be in the territory of "not even wrong" |
| 02:21.54 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 02:22.18 | DrodoEmpire | I'm looking forward to it honestly, it'll be something fresh |
| 02:22.20 | Wormy_ | Actually that was serious part of the paper, the next part was what made scientists quiver their moustaches (and now I look a\t it, I can se why) |
| 02:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear |
| 02:22.40 | DrodoEmpire | What was this next part? XD |
| 02:22.46 | Wormy_ | Where the bees can sense quantum fields, and hence inspired the original story |
| 02:22.58 | Wormy_ | But without collapsing the wavefunction |
| 02:23.20 | DrodoEmpire | Huh... |
| 02:23.24 | Wormy_ | Which no mechanism was given (and is impossible as we understand QM) |
| 02:23.31 | Monet | Isn't there a theory that smell is a mechanism that uses quantum tunneling? |
| 02:23.58 | Wormy_ | There is, quantum biology is an emerging field so expect weird fringes |
| 02:24.13 | Wormy_ | Drodo: http://discovermagazine.com/1997/nov/quantumhoneybees1263 |
| 02:24.32 | Wormy_ | The 6D maths part was actually on firmer ground |
| 02:24.58 | DrodoEmpire | Huh. |
| 02:27.34 | Wormy_ | The microtubles in human neurons have been proposed to act as quantum microprocessors |
| 02:28.35 | Wormy_ | As for smell and photosynthesis using quantum mechanics, that's much closer to actual scientific inquiry |
| 02:48.49 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJvesjGissE - Firing a 10-bore flintlock rifle |
| 02:58.44 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
| 03:24.13 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 11:59.02 | OluapPlayer | I see |
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| 13:51.08 | Tek0516 | So yesterday there was a protest that blocked off the entrance to my university. |
| 13:54.43 | Tek0516 | Nothing involving the university, they just decided to block all traffic on it and one of Ottawa's main streets in the middle of rush hour. >.> |
| 14:01.06 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/qX0jlFg |
| 14:01.07 | Tek0516 | Apparently some taxi drivers are angry about losing a monopoly. And it's not even an Uber protest. XD |
| 14:02.31 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/vRb8JSa |
| 14:03.17 | Wormy_ | I've had that |
| 14:03.44 | Wormy_ | taxi drivers had a strike in the city centre so everybody was late for work or uni held up in traffic |
| 14:03.58 | Wormy_ | I was pissed off with them |
| 14:04.19 | Wormy_ | how fucking dare they ruin the morning for everyone else the selfish bastards |
| 14:04.36 | Wormy_ | they make enough money as it is |
| 14:05.01 | Wormy_ | they basicallt drove around the city centre at 5 mph |
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| 14:10.32 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 14:12.42 | Tek0516 | Wormy_away: And today they march on city hall to demand their monopoly back. |
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| 15:09.37 | drom | wat |
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| 15:09.52 | drom | Appearently, I'm too scary for Tek |
| 15:09.53 | drom | :D |
| 15:09.57 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/ZdxVizY.gif |
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| 15:45.54 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 15:46.08 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
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| 15:53.24 | drom | GD12 Wormy_away: http://www.vox.com/2015/11/11/9702090/voyager-golden-record-pictures |
| 15:56.47 | GD12 | Wow |
| 15:56.50 | GD12 | Thats ... awesome |
| 16:01.54 | Wormy_away | A UFO crashed into Earth today, I watched it live online |
| 16:02.22 | Wormy_away | http://uk.businessinsider.com/watch-wt1190f-collide-with-earth-2015-11?r=US&IR=T |
| 16:17.16 | Wormy_away | drom, GD12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM_ruBwYGtg&feature=youtu.be&t=6s |
| 16:19.37 | Wormy_away | nostalgia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZI1FkJFI8 |
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| 16:30.44 | Wormy_away | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/13/kim-jong-un-toilet-north-koreans |
| 16:37.09 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/yjBnDzB |
| 16:40.12 | Imperios | God that picture |
| 16:40.21 | Imperios | It looks like he grows fatter every year |
| 16:40.46 | Charles_Murray | Working on this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Charles_Murray/FCE_OOB#Order_of_Battle_.28incomplete.29 Essentially France's military during the GXS |
| 16:41.02 | Charles_Murray | Anyone have any thoughts on how I can make it better? |
| 16:41.11 | Wormy_away | huh http://imgur.com/a/XVfgW |
| 16:42.11 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/EH6Gvt2 |
| 16:44.57 | drom | Wormy_away: Learned that first from Polandball |
| 16:49.43 | Wormy_away | Things like Imgur and Polandball are now becoming faster ways to learn the news |
| 16:49.58 | drom | Oh the sweet Irony |
| 16:50.11 | drom | Wormy_away: Don't forget 4chan and Reddit also |
| 16:53.51 | Wormy_away | imgur doesn't like this poster http://imgur.com/gallery/kBu8msr |
| 16:56.39 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/21xCMvK |
| 16:58.23 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/8mpDYgU |
| 17:01.35 | Wormy_away | clever dog http://imgur.com/gallery/U407R75 |
| 17:03.51 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/Ao5cW1L |
| 17:03.56 | Wormy_away | sad floof |
| 17:04.47 | Wormy_away | drom: I think we've both seen these two before http://imgur.com/n1ayl6p |
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| 17:09.10 | drom | Wormy_away: Never gets too old for me tho |
| 17:09.29 | OluapCollege | ~kick Cyrannian |
| 17:09.33 | infobot | ACTION kicks Cyrannian |
| 17:09.49 | Cyrannian | ~destroy OluapCollege |
| 17:09.49 | infobot | no |
| 17:09.55 | Wormy_away | hah |
| 17:11.02 | Imperios | College makes him indestructible |
| 17:15.31 | drom | No. Cyrannian isn't waptor enough |
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| 17:15.39 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:15.44 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 17:15.47 | drom | Hello |
| 17:17.02 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 17:17.48 | OluapCollege | Hello |
| 17:18.12 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/39kmr8N.jpg |
| 17:18.51 | Wormy_away | lol |
| 17:20.07 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War - Does anyone have any factions that would support either side that I can add to the page? |
| 17:21.21 | drom | Cant really access Sporewiki, Wikia likes fucking up with my connection |
| 17:22.00 | OluapCollege | Neraida supports both to fully embrace the assimilation dong |
| 17:22.20 | Cyrannian | umph |
| 17:22.40 | drom | Cyrannian: NS, but I cannot really put my finger on which side. |
| 17:25.53 | Cyrannian | They are allies with the Empire, so that would probably make more sense |
| 17:26.04 | drom | Yeh |
| 17:28.14 | OluapCollege | Also, now that the NCW is over |
| 17:28.19 | OluapCollege | moov Intergalactic War |
| 17:28.59 | Cyrannian | Ah yes |
| 17:34.20 | Charles_Murray | Cyrannian : Could France support the republic? :D |
| 17:35.18 | Cyrannian | Of course, adding them now |
| 17:36.15 | Charles_Murray | Call it the "French Empire." Would it be okay if post-GXS France got seriously involved as an NCR ally? |
| 17:37.10 | Imperios | Hon |
| 17:37.25 | Cyrannian | I would imagine this fiction takes place post-GXS, so that's possible |
| 17:38.23 | Cyrannian | brb making dinner |
| 17:38.59 | Technobliterator | UNO would probably support the Republic |
| 17:39.16 | Technobliterator | and Da Rogue Boyz could support whoever if one side pays them |
| 17:39.43 | OluapCollege | dats unloronly |
| 17:39.49 | OluapCollege | They should support beating both of them up |
| 17:40.14 | Technobliterator | Well, they have no reason to get involved unless they get paid |
| 17:40.26 | Technobliterator | or if someone says "hey UNO are fighting there go beat them up" |
| 17:40.40 | Charles_Murray | France - I'll pay |
| 17:40.49 | OluapCollege | ya dunt need reesun ta fight peepz |
| 17:40.51 | OluapCollege | ya losa |
| 17:41.06 | Charles_Murray | France - *scoots over with pile of post-war monies* |
| 17:41.25 | Charles_Murray | France - Here. We'll call it "development aid." |
| 17:41.32 | Technobliterator | well |
| 17:41.41 | Technobliterator | it's not like the Loron care for Cyrannus or what happens there |
| 17:41.50 | Technobliterator | so they wouldn't get involved unless told to |
| 17:41.54 | OluapCollege | Indocs - you should be using that to grow a spine not feed Loron trolling |
| 17:41.59 | Technobliterator | I imagine the Empire could set it up as a sort of proxy war |
| 17:42.18 | Technobliterator | to try and use the Rogue Boyz to damage the Republic without directly fighting them |
| 17:42.19 | Cyrannian | I like that idea |
| 17:45.21 | Technobliterator | you could just send a transmission to the Rogue Boyz saying "hi UNO are fighting in cyrannus wanna beat them up" |
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| 17:46.04 | OluapCollege | Also needs more Corruptus shenanigans |
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| 17:46.08 | OluapCollege | Never enough Corruptus |
| 17:46.36 | drom | Wikia's monstority of a JavaScript froze my browser, clicked one time too many, closed down my client. |
| 17:47.12 | Ghelae | OluapCollege: CyraEmp vs. Corruptus Daleks. |
| 17:48.14 | OluapCollege | I imagine Cyrannian wants the CyraEmp to still exist by the end of the event |
| 17:48.31 | Charles_Murray | Technobliterator : I can imagine the French would at least try to outbid the CyraEmp on behalf of the Republic. |
| 17:49.04 | Technobliterator | They might be able to for the Thugz Fer Dosh mercenaries, but generally the Rogue Boyz refuse to work with UNO |
| 17:49.11 | Technobliterator | the only time they ever did was against Regnatus |
| 17:49.36 | Charles_Murray | OulapCollege : This is after the GXS, when you would probably concede the French have grown a spine :D |
| 17:49.53 | OluapCollege | Yeah but I can't tell which France you're on about |
| 17:50.46 | OluapCollege | The Indocs only like the Republic |
| 17:51.34 | Technobliterator | I love how the Republic has millions of supporters |
| 17:51.39 | Technobliterator | and no one loves the Empire |
| 17:51.57 | Charles_Murray | I'm not surprised, actually. xD |
| 17:52.08 | Charles_Murray | OulapCollege : Post-GXS, they'll be the same thing. |
| 17:52.10 | OluapCollege | >welcoming and friendly empire with lots of positive history with outsiders >imperial power whose first action was ban outsiders from the galaxy |
| 17:52.18 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 17:52.18 | OluapCollege | Woopdee-fucking-doo |
| 17:52.24 | Wormy_away | DCP loves the Empire |
| 17:52.34 | OluapCollege | DCP has shit taste then |
| 17:52.40 | Cyrannian | Back |
| 17:52.44 | drom | NS also loves the Empire |
| 17:52.56 | OluapCollege | So the Frances are gonna be a single faction again |
| 17:53.04 | Charles_Murray | Mhm |
| 17:53.42 | OluapCollege | Just as long as it retains the mindset of the Republic, the Indocs will continue their support for it |
| 17:54.02 | OluapCollege | They're not keen to people who are enemies of the DCP |
| 17:54.05 | ImpyDroid | OluapCollege: DCP and the Empire are Nazi Bros basically |
| 17:54.15 | OluapCollege | dats insulting |
| 17:54.34 | OluapCollege | The Indocs do much more cleansing than the DCP I bet |
| 17:54.42 | Technobliterator | Technically, UNO are fairly nazi-ish |
| 17:54.49 | ImpyDroid | I mean in terms of internal politics |
| 17:54.52 | Charles_Murray | That depends on what you mean by mindset, but I imagine that the Indocs wouldn't mind post-war France |
| 17:54.58 | Technobliterator | they mostly side with the Republic because of a past friendship with Apollo and the PCA |
| 17:55.00 | ImpyDroid | Which is also why the Divinarium is okay with the Empire |
| 17:55.12 | OluapCollege | By mindset I mean "not enemies with the Milky Way Cooperative" |
| 17:55.14 | drom | ImpyDroid Charles_Murray: I've always imagined NS having a socialdrawinism-based mindset about "socialism" |
| 17:55.20 | Technobliterator | the Empire hurt the Zoles, so they hate the Empire |
| 17:55.33 | Charles_Murray | drom : That's a bit of a contradiction. xD |
| 17:55.53 | Charles_Murray | socialism and social darwinism exist on the opposite ends of the political spectrum |
| 17:56.22 | OluapCollege | The CyraEmp has the privilege of being the second least welcomed faction to ever colonize Borealis |
| 17:56.29 | OluapCollege | Loses only to the Xhoddie Dominion |
| 17:56.30 | drom | Ah yes. But I meant in the area of social rights and social service |
| 17:57.30 | Technobliterator | I thought the Junction would be higher |
| 17:57.47 | OluapCollege | Not really. The Junction has never really done anything bad to anyone |
| 17:57.55 | Technobliterator | pre-Borealis War UNO was hated a lot |
| 17:58.01 | ImpyDroid | Didn't they blow up one third of the galaxy |
| 17:58.13 | OluapCollege | Several hundred thousand years ago, yes |
| 17:58.23 | OluapCollege | aka back before the current empires were even spacefaring |
| 17:58.49 | Technobliterator | pre-Borealis War Grox would've been hated a lot as well |
| 17:59.10 | OluapCollege | Not extragalactic |
| 17:59.16 | OluapCollege | >to ever colonize |
| 17:59.19 | ImpyDroid | Anyway as for my factions the NTA will join because democracy bros |
| 17:59.26 | Technobliterator | I thought all Grox were extragalactic |
| 17:59.36 | OluapCollege | Borealis Grox are their own subspecies |
| 17:59.38 | OluapCollege | Therefore native |
| 17:59.47 | ImpyDroid | That and to steel whatever technology they can |
| 17:59.48 | drom | Charles_Murray: I mean, in place of the politics in terms of social rights, service and similar, is socialdarwinism |
| 17:59.53 | ImpyDroid | *steal |
| 18:00.13 | Technobliterator | right |
| 18:00.14 | drom | I don't think I've ever seen a single use of socialdarwinism in Sporewikiverse fiction |
| 18:00.29 | Technobliterator | I guess pre-Borealis War UNO would still be third most hated |
| 18:00.51 | OluapCollege | There were not a lot of extragalactics back then |
| 18:00.59 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 18:01.10 | Technobliterator | Borealis was basically full of xenophobes until the Borealis War |
| 18:01.24 | OluapCollege | Not really xenophobes |
| 18:01.24 | Technobliterator | and full of almost no colonists until the Annihilation |
| 18:01.37 | OluapCollege | There just existed no interest in the galaxy |
| 18:01.44 | Technobliterator | Fair enough |
| 18:01.49 | OluapCollege | There was no interest* |
| 18:01.51 | OluapCollege | That sounds better |
| 18:02.27 | OluapCollege | The only really notable pre-war extragalactics were the Kicath, and they had zero impact in the galaxy |
| 18:02.51 | Technobliterator | I don't know if we're including Borealis in the War of Ages, but I recall we were just saying that the Junction and Regnatus scared the Zhul-thingies away |
| 18:03.13 | OluapCollege | Zhu-whatshisface is just one guy |
| 18:03.19 | OluapCollege | His empire is the Congregation we all know |
| 18:03.25 | drom | ImpyDroid: Geeze, what's with the Divinariums? They seem to extremely secretive. |
| 18:03.35 | OluapCollege | And no, Borealis will not be in the War of Ages |
| 18:03.42 | ImpyDroid | They kind of are |
| 18:04.03 | ImpyDroid | Their main strength is their spy agency |
| 18:04.13 | ImpyDroid | In terms of military |
| 18:04.23 | OluapCollege | Best way to kill them is with flamethrowers |
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| 18:04.51 | Technobliterator | Divinarium and the Salsetthe are just the people no one knows anything about |
| 18:05.15 | OluapCollege | Koluap - i know they're a bunch of stuck-up sissies |
| 18:05.24 | Technobliterator | Fre'kloar - i agree |
| 18:05.38 | drom | ImpyDroid: So, they are the equivalent of One-Man-Army Jame Bond? |
| 18:05.42 | drom | James* |
| 18:05.53 | OluapCollege | No one knows about the Salsetthe because Random is not active enough to contribute anything |
| 18:06.03 | Monet | What's this? |
| 18:06.18 | Technobliterator | Well, his whole point with the Salsetthe was to make them secretive as hell, but yes |
| 18:06.52 | drom | Monet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War then we started talking about the supporters, then WoA, now Divinarium and Salsetthe |
| 18:07.28 | OluapCollege | The Indocs don't like having allies they know little about, it just leads to distrust |
| 18:07.45 | drom | Don't you just love it how the grape is half rotten and the other half is still fresh? |
| 18:07.47 | drom | sighs |
| 18:08.06 | OluapCollege | They are already very skeptical about the Divinarium |
| 18:08.10 | Technobliterator | UNO probably wouldn't mind |
| 18:08.19 | Wormy_away | its fermenting, thats all |
| 18:08.22 | Technobliterator | they are too mindful and respectful of other cultures to really care |
| 18:08.28 | Technobliterator | if you're good to them, they're good to you |
| 18:08.33 | drom | Wormy_away: Let's go drunk! |
| 18:08.39 | Wormy_away | I am tonight |
| 18:08.54 | Wormy_ | Not right now |
| 18:09.31 | ImpyDroid | drom: Like Britain in WW2 |
| 18:10.39 | drom | ImpyDroid: Too bad, I was really digging James Alkbar |
| 18:11.04 | ImpyDroid | Him too |
| 18:11.14 | ImpyDroid | Sexy rat spy person |
| 18:11.49 | drom | ImpyDroid: Or dis http://fotonin.com/data_images/out/65/1193678-johnny-english.jpg |
| 18:12.25 | ImpyDroid | "too mindful and respectful of other cultures to really care" |
| 18:12.34 | ImpyDroid | Literally SJW: the Alliancr |
| 18:12.36 | ImpyDroid | Alliance |
| 18:12.45 | drom | Who said that? |
| 18:12.53 | Technobliterator | how does that make them SJWs |
| 18:12.54 | Technobliterator | .__. |
| 18:13.53 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of other cultures |
| 18:15.12 | ImpyDroid | Monet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Segmentum_Draco_Federal_Union cyka |
| 18:16.19 | Technobliterator | If they were SJWs, they wouldn't be respectful |
| 18:16.27 | Technobliterator | they would try and go to war with people over it |
| 18:16.34 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid : That symbol is amazing |
| 18:16.37 | Technobliterator | UNO just believes in multiculturalism |
| 18:16.52 | Technobliterator | which is why it's such a huge deal in their own empire |
| 18:17.22 | drom | ImpyDroid: If the Divinarium ever would've a equivalent of Johnny English, I imagine "Gorf Divide" |
| 18:18.23 | OluapCollege | Gorf is Spode, they just don't know it yet |
| 18:19.43 | OluapCollege | bleh where's Hachi at |
| 18:19.58 | drom | OluapCollege: "Gorf knows no fear, he knows no danger, he knows nothing." |
| 18:20.14 | OluapCollege | That's a good description of him |
| 18:23.14 | drom | Anyway, drew this draft while waiting for Steam to download Spore. http://i.imgur.com/yb8sEBP.png |
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| 18:27.14 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 18:27.23 | drom | Hello there lil bun |
| 18:27.36 | OluapCollege | finally |
| 18:27.39 | OluapCollege | where u been |
| 18:27.47 | Hachiman | At college, taking a shower, preparing to go out |
| 18:27.58 | OluapCollege | y u leave u just arrived ;-; |
| 18:27.59 | Hachiman | I'm going out tonight so I can be available over the weekend |
| 18:28.10 | Hachiman | I will be around for a couple of hours probably |
| 18:28.35 | Hachiman | Just watched a vid of a guy shooting himself in the head in a convenience store after his father goaded him to do it due to his son saying that he'd kill himself |
| 18:28.42 | Hachiman | Somehow the son survived |
| 18:29.26 | drom | "It refused" |
| 18:29.32 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 18:30.02 | drom | Too much determination probably |
| 18:30.10 | OluapCollege | spu |
| 18:30.22 | Hachiman | Hi Xho |
| 18:30.36 | Hachiman | Xho: Just watched a vid on Facebook of a guy shooting himself in the head in a convenience store after his father goaded him to do it due to his son saying that he'd kill himself; somehow the son survived |
| 18:30.42 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 18:30.59 | Xho | Was this in America |
| 18:31.03 | Xho | Also hello |
| 18:31.38 | Hachiman | East Pattaya, Thailand |
| 18:31.58 | Xho | The thai are brutal |
| 18:32.26 | drom | Ugh, Thais |
| 18:33.01 | Hachiman | The son did it with no hesitation either; his father, a cop, laid his gun on the counter and goaded him to do it because he thought he wouldn't, and after the son shot himself and collapsed on the counter, his dad whacked him around the head due to having looked away, heard the gunshot, and thought he was joking |
| 18:34.13 | Wormy_ | Hachi: http://imgur.com/gallery/zcKvic0 |
| 18:34.58 | Hachiman | What the fuck |
| 18:35.04 | Wormy_ | I believe the Stargates are real http://imgur.com/gallery/uhQsGLX |
| 18:35.07 | Xho | What the fuck indeed |
| 18:35.51 | drom | Fucking anime, amrite |
| 18:37.29 | Hachiman | Bet you would not find this in South Korea |
| 18:38.09 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12243527_2551006961613145_6704807541410057811_n.jpg?oh=ed91cb0779d60b5ed58f0c15f8d46ec5&oe=56F44957 |
| 18:38.16 | Wormy_ | Oluap: The Emperor's throne http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/13/kim-jong-un-toilet-north-koreans |
| 18:38.45 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM_ruBwYGtg&feature=youtu.be&t=6s |
| 18:40.04 | OluapCollege | hur |
| 18:40.25 | Cyrannian|Dinner | I was reading somewhere that Kim Jong-un has a crippling addiction to cheese |
| 18:40.57 | Monet | WHo cares |
| 18:41.06 | *** part/#sporewiki Monet (~Monet47@cpc26-gill16-2-0-cust606.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:42.23 | Xho | Kim Jong-un does |
| 18:42.29 | OluapCollege | Someone's in a petty mood |
| 18:42.29 | Xho | Oh ok |
| 18:42.38 | Xho | Why is Monet in a bad mood |
| 18:43.03 | OluapCollege | I don't know, that's the first and last thing he said since he joined the irc |
| 18:43.47 | Xho | so much eh |
| 18:44.21 | Hachiman | Prick |
| 18:44.47 | Xho | Monet's alright |
| 18:44.52 | Xho | Not quite sure why everyone argues with each other |
| 18:45.07 | Hachiman | Because Monet brings it on himself |
| 18:45.18 | Hachiman | And then gets emo when he can't take it |
| 18:45.35 | Cyrannian|Dinner | And that he personally picked the members of North Korea's first girlband |
| 18:45.46 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:45.55 | Xho | Okay now I'm confused |
| 18:46.31 | Xho | Anyway I'm gonna go on Fallout 4 so message me on Steam if you want anything |
| 18:46.59 | OluapCollege | XhohX |
| 18:47.04 | Xho|ohX | shosh |
| 18:47.19 | Hachiman | zoz |
| 18:47.26 | Xho|ohX | Thinking about it, Xho|ohX looks like some real underground death metal band name |
| 18:48.13 | Hachiman | MeshugguhseM |
| 18:48.54 | Cyrannian | Xho|ohX: Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War - Not that this means that you have to join the fiction, but can I add which one your factions support? |
| 18:49.35 | Xho|ohX | Ah right |
| 18:49.36 | Xho|ohX | Hm |
| 18:49.43 | Hachiman | I think Brood might be ded by then so I dunno |
| 18:49.53 | Hachiman | Sorry |
| 18:50.04 | Xho|ohX | Well 06 BNE - 15 NE |
| 18:50.13 | Xho|ohX | What does that equate to in human calendar |
| 18:50.24 | Cyrannian | The Brood will be ded'd? |
| 18:50.25 | OluapCollege | N/A |
| 18:50.29 | Xho|ohX | NOOOOOH |
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| 18:50.52 | Hachiman | I did say Brood would be ded'd during the 2790s at some point |
| 18:50.55 | Xho|ohX | Well if the Polar Crystal Alliance are there the Kicathian Remnant are automatically supporting the Republic |
| 18:50.57 | Hachiman | I just haven't got around to it |
| 18:51.07 | Hachiman | becus lazi yes yes |
| 18:51.15 | OluapCollege | PCA politics =/= individual member politics |
| 18:51.40 | Xho|ohX | They're still an integral part of the alliance though so they wouldn't really have their own opinion |
| 18:52.11 | Xho|ohX | That and Kithworto doesn't like Tyrómairon that much |
| 18:52.16 | Cyrannian | Will they still exist in some form or will they become extinct? |
| 18:52.29 | Hachiman | Zazane will still be around probably |
| 18:52.35 | Xho|ohX | The only other major faction I have that would have an opinion on the matter is the Dominion of the Xhodocto |
| 18:52.38 | Hachiman | The Brood as a unified organisation will be gone though |
| 18:52.55 | Hachiman | Could have Brood mercenaries serving either side or something |
| 18:53.16 | Cyrannian | I do remember that Tyraz is supposed to be killed off at some point |
| 18:53.19 | Hachiman | Or rather, ex-Brood |
| 18:53.44 | Xho|ohX | The Dominion would probably support the Republic as well |
| 18:54.06 | Hachiman | Just have Brood as a placeholder working for the Republic |
| 18:54.12 | Hachiman | Even though it's not really Brood |
| 18:54.48 | Xho|ohX | Not for any political or orderly reason, but the Dominion see the Galactic Empire as a threat as well as an example of order and social solidarity that cannot survive |
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| 18:55.17 | OluapCollege_ | dum |
| 18:55.21 | Cyrannian | First helping them in the Trucinex War and now this |
| 18:55.37 | Xho|ohX | Mainly because of Tyrómairon's hidden intentions, the Dominion isn't a fan of dishonesty in politics |
| 18:55.42 | Xho|ohX | aren't even |
| 18:55.57 | Hachiman | Isn't is correct |
| 18:56.03 | Xho|ohX | Hm |
| 18:56.06 | Xho|ohX | Okay |
| 18:56.08 | Hachiman | You're referring to the Dominion as a singular entity |
| 18:56.12 | Xho|ohX | This is true |
| 18:56.28 | Hachiman | If it was Dominion(s) it would be aren't |
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| 18:56.54 | Cyrannian | http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/11/13/ugh-this-adorable-puppy-is-actually-a-holocaust-denier/ - Shameful |
| 18:57.19 | Xho|ohX | Krathazhrukhal may be one for a continuous order, though fundamentally speaking Krathazhrukhal doesn't see Tyrómairon's order as pure nor actually orderly |
| 18:57.35 | Xho|ohX | Hence why the Dominion would support change |
| 18:57.38 | OluapCollege_ | Shu'rimrodir - FUCK THAT SHIT UP ON MY COMMAND |
| 18:57.58 | Cyrannian | That's an interesting dynamic actually |
| 18:58.56 | Xho|ohX | Also the Dominion's hidden intention is that they believe that Cyrannus would be weaker as a galaxy without Tyrómairon in power so in the theory of them invading it would be less planning for them |
| 18:58.57 | Xho|ohX | mwaha |
| 18:59.25 | Xho|ohX | Though that will never happen in fiction |
| 18:59.32 | Cyrannian | Apollo - gee thanks |
| 18:59.32 | OluapCollege_ | The part of the page where I write the message is green for some reason |
| 18:59.39 | OluapCollege_ | It's distracting |
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| 18:59.59 | Wormy_ | I'm having chips, pizza and milkshake for dinner. |
| 19:00.04 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:00.18 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 19:00.19 | OluapCollege_ | The Dominion may not do it but the Corruptus are always up for tormenting Cyrannus |
| 19:00.50 | OluapCollege_ | After the Brezank incident, I imagine any neutrality between Anteddy and Shu'wokerama went down the drain |
| 19:01.06 | Cyrannian | That reminds me of that one plot that we discussed in the distant past involving the Dominion |
| 19:03.05 | Wormy_ | drom: http://imgur.com/gallery/Ox3HVVS |
| 19:03.15 | Xho|ohX | Cyrannus - who dis Dominion - HELLO DEAR |
| 19:03.38 | Xho|ohX | I imagine the Dominion would play devil's advocate in the event of a war |
| 19:03.48 | Wormy_ | Whats it like being the first line of defense against the White Walkers? |
| 19:04.06 | Xho|ohX | The Corruptus would torment Cyrannus while Hez'Kalka's forces would support the Republic |
| 19:04.29 | OluapCollege_ | Like they'd want his support hur |
| 19:04.46 | Xho|ohX | Though adding two and two together anyone could see that the Dominion would be manipulating Cyrannus into a state of hysteria |
| 19:05.46 | Xho|ohX | Though the kind of firepower that Hez' forces packs isn't one to say fuck off to |
| 19:06.01 | OluapCollege_ | It is out-of-universe hur |
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| 19:06.26 | Xho|ohX | i kno dat |
| 19:06.46 | Xho|ohX | The likelihood of me joining that fiction is low due to the fact that I have a lot of fiction already and my general lack of presence on the wiki when the sun is up |
| 19:06.56 | Xho|ohX | Or ut |
| 19:06.57 | Xho|ohX | out |
| 19:07.17 | OluapCollege_ | uput |
| 19:07.41 | Cyrannian | Which one would the Apalos support, Ghel? |
| 19:08.19 | Ghelae | Both. They're too crippled by indecision to make a definite answer. |
| 19:08.49 | OluapCollege_ | "Who would you support" "Yes." |
| 19:08.59 | Cyrannian | In the same boat as the DCP and the ATR |
| 19:09.19 | OluapCollege_ | I'd expect the ATR to go straight for the Republic |
| 19:09.52 | Cyrannian | Hm, perhaps you're right |
| 19:10.27 | OluapCollege_ | Why would they side with the Empire? |
| 19:10.28 | Ghelae | Apalos's thoughts are pretty similar to the DCP's, yeah. |
| 19:10.58 | GD12 | Whats happening? |
| 19:11.17 | OluapCollege_ | Also I admittedly had forgotten about the Corruptus Dalek. That's something we really ought to do at some point |
| 19:11.34 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
| 19:11.47 | Cyrannian | The ATR are technically allied with both |
| 19:12.43 | OluapCollege_ | We need to come up with a plot for it to have any chance of starting |
| 19:13.58 | Charles_Murray | France sees the Empire as a selfish, destabilizing, revisionist force with little interest in the status quo. In other words, a really big rogue state. |
| 19:14.16 | Ghelae | Do we have any ideas so far, or should we just start coming up with some? |
| 19:14.40 | OluapCollege_ | There are no ideas other than the Corruptus Dalek existing |
| 19:15.04 | OluapCollege_ | I suggested him going around getting more Daleks in order to make them like himself |
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| 19:15.56 | OluapCollege_ | There are no ideas other than the Corruptus Dalek existing |
| 19:15.56 | OluapCollege_ | I suggested him going around getting more Daleks in order to make them like himself |
| 19:16.13 | Ghel | That could work. |
| 19:17.08 | OluapCollege_ | I don't know who's going to oppose him other than presumably Apalos |
| 19:17.13 | OluapCollege_ | I think Wormy was interested too |
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| 19:18.05 | GD12_ | dumternet |
| 19:18.38 | Ghel | I did imagine one vague idea... a Corruptus attack on an installation somewhere (possibly Apalos to get them involved at the start?). Some minor demons are dispatched without too much trouble. Perhaps some others arrive and cause more damage. But then the Dalek shows up and just completely wins the battle. |
| 19:19.24 | OluapCollege_ | Dalek - MY NEW DEMONIC COMPATRIOTS ARE EMBARRASSING ME |
| 19:19.26 | OluapCollege_ | That works |
| 19:20.43 | Ghel | That could be the start of it. And then maybe the Dalek accesses Apalos' data banks to find where other Daleks might be so he can make more of them like himself, as you suggested. |
| 19:20.53 | OluapCollege_ | Yeah |
| 19:21.11 | OluapCollege_ | I imagine his ultimate goal would be creating an empire of demon Daleks to destroy everyone |
| 19:21.59 | Ghel | Yes; I would be surprised if it were anything else. |
| 19:24.28 | OluapCollege_ | Considering he'd become obedient to the Corruptus, I imagine the other Daleks would probably be skeptical about him |
| 19:24.40 | OluapCollege_ | So he'd force them to become like him because demons don't accept no as an answer |
| 19:27.05 | Ghel | Yeah. I guess trying to fit in with the other Daleks wouldn't be a very Dalek-like thing to do. |
| 19:27.25 | Ghel | Dalek - YOU WILL OBEY THE DEVOUR- I MEAN, THE DALEKS. |
| 19:27.51 | OluapCollege_ | I imagine he'd not even bother hiding it |
| 19:27.57 | OluapCollege_ | So it's more like slaving and brainwashing |
| 19:33.40 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannian_Cold_War#Beginnings_of_the_Cold_War_.2806_NE_-_07_NE.29 - c dis |
| 19:35.23 | OluapCollege_ | yey Brezank mention |
| 19:36.19 | OluapCollege_ | Guolivian went full Basileus mode |
| 19:36.57 | Cyrannian | Aye, he's been holding back lately |
| 19:42.21 | Charles_Murray | Oh dear xD |
| 19:42.45 | Charles_Murray | Empire - We can live in peace and prosperity together. Under me. |
| 19:42.52 | Charles_Murray | Republic - lolno |
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| 19:49.14 | GD12 | dumternet |
| 19:51.35 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1447429887-20151113.png |
| 19:57.16 | OluapCollege_ | Time to ded |
| 20:14.56 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Guolivian - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTryU1fp-zw |
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| 20:23.20 | Cyrannian | Imperios: what the duck |
| 20:23.43 | Imperios | I guess sending the first part would suffice |
| 20:23.50 | Imperios | Just the first sentence |
| 20:24.48 | Imperios | Oooh my little sister made a pig from Angry Birds wearing glasses in Spore while I was away |
| 20:24.53 | Imperios | And called it "mama pig" |
| 20:31.26 | Xho|ohX | Fallout 4 right |
| 20:31.55 | Xho|ohX | I kill this guy -> his daughter rolls into town trying to find him -> I tell her I killed him -> She points a gun at me -> I killed her as well |
| 20:33.07 | Technobliterator | hahahaha |
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| 20:34.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:34.36 | GD12 | hi |
| 20:36.10 | Wormy_ | Good old Attenborough http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sir-david-attenborough-teaches-president-obama-about-manners-by-refusing-to-reschedule-their-meeting-a6732191.html |
| 20:37.06 | Wormy_ | Attenborough is president of the Animal Kingdom, so Obama will have to bow down |
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| 20:43.09 | GD12_ | dumternet |
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| 20:57.46 | Ghel | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Getting_out_of_Girdo#Bursting_a_Bubble - so there are actual characters with actual names now. |
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| 21:18.29 | Wormy_away | time for drinkies |
| 21:19.49 | Technobliterator | I am curious as to who the Girdo contact first |
| 21:23.49 | Ghel | Then I won't spoil it for you. |
| 21:24.17 | Imperios | Monet_2: Looking at this Gods of Egypts cast |
| 21:24.31 | Imperios | This is literally the most offensive cast I could think of |
| 21:24.36 | Imperios | It's literally offensive to everyone |
| 21:24.57 | Monet_2 | Can't say I've heard of it. |
| 21:25.17 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gods_of_Egypt_(film) That |
| 21:25.22 | Imperios | SCOTTISH SET |
| 21:25.27 | Imperios | CAMBODIAN HATHOR |
| 21:25.30 | Imperios | BLACK THOTH |
| 21:27.34 | Imperios | It offends both the right-wing "putting minorities everywhere = white genocide" folk and the left-wing SJW "white guys playing non-Europeans is evil" folk |
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| 21:30.20 | Monet_2 | Imperios: Realyl some people just love to whine |
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| 21:30.45 | GD12_ | hai |
| 21:30.48 | Wormy_away | two sides of the same coin imo |
| 21:30.48 | drom | God I love Homeworld |
| 21:31.04 | Monet_2 | When Pagan Min was unveiled people thought he was a white homosexual and called Far Cry 4 homophobic. THen when it was revealed he was asian the anti-racists came out. |
| 21:32.25 | Imperios | It's a bit weird |
| 21:32.27 | Imperios | Still |
| 21:32.59 | Wormy_away | Your heavy breathing offends me, internet warrior. |
| 21:33.29 | Wormy_away | I'm not aiming that at anyone in here hur |
| 21:33.41 | Wormy_away | right truly bbl |
| 21:36.09 | Imperios | Monet_2: http://cs628324.vk.me/v628324943/21d5c/X1Bbpu7mqKs.jpg |
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| 22:15.36 | GD12 | ohai |
| 22:16.18 | Tek0516 | O.o It's leftover day in my university cafeteria. |
| 22:17.49 | Tek0516 | I mean it literally. Many recurring food items from yesterday, judging by its crispness it's even the same bread. |
| 22:18.59 | GD12 | thats disgusting |
| 22:20.07 | Tek0516 | Not everything, but there's clearly stuff they bought too much of for yesterday |
| 22:37.54 | Tek0516 | Oh my. Attack and hostage incident in Paris |
| 22:38.59 | GD12 | Oh shit |
| 22:39.00 | GD12 | 18 dead |
| 22:39.11 | GD12 | *at least |
| 22:39.16 | Tek0516 | Something like 60 hostages too |
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| 22:40.47 | TekDroid | I think I saw something that implied the French President had been nearby at the time. |
| 22:40.50 | GD12 | Up to 60 held |
| 22:44.43 | GD12 | update |
| 22:44.45 | GD12 | 40 + dead |
| 22:45.24 | GD12 | actually |
| 22:45.25 | GD12 | - Multiple explosions - Multiple shootings - 100 hostage taken - Military deployed - At least 60 dead |
| 22:46.10 | TekDroid | It looks like the President was at the stadium where one of the attacks occurred. No way that's a coincidence. |
| 22:47.33 | GD12 | Aye definitely not a coincidence |
| 22:48.34 | TekDroid | Looks like they evacuated him safely though. |
| 22:48.48 | GD12 | Updates over here https://twitter.com/Conflicts |
| 23:00.21 | TekDroid | France just declared a state of emergency |
| 23:01.27 | TekDroid | Nationwide emergency, borders closed. O.o |
| 23:02.32 | GD12 | The attacks were very coordinated |
| 23:03.32 | drom | GD12 TekDroid Charles_Murray DrodoEmpire Monet_2: Me_in_a_nutshell.jpg http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/395550145295016409/D04F8D5C7D85A051D878C65FAAE3A742D608513E/ |
| 23:03.47 | GD12 | jeez homeworld was awesome |
| 23:03.49 | GD12 | *is |
| 23:05.03 | drom | Yeah, unfortunately for me... there is 6 another concurrent battles |
| 23:05.12 | drom | So it clogs my CPU and GPU |
| 23:05.17 | TekDroid | GD12: Yes, this is definitely more than a crazy person going on a shooting spree. |
| 23:05.35 | drom | 5000+ ships managed and rendered at the same time |
| 23:05.50 | drom | So I can only get 2 frames so far |
| 23:05.59 | Charles_Murray | Ow |
| 23:06.06 | Xho|ohX | Especially if it's enough to warrant national emergency and close down France's borders that quickly |
| 23:07.08 | drom | Oh, what happened? |
| 23:07.24 | Xho | Series of attacks in Paris |
| 23:07.27 | GD12 | Curfew in Paris, for the 1st time since 1944 |
| 23:07.29 | Xho | 50-ish people dead |
| 23:07.31 | drom | Oh snap |
| 23:07.33 | Xho | Or probably more |
| 23:07.34 | GD12 | Few Dozen dead and more held hostage |
| 23:07.42 | Xho | Explosions as well |
| 23:08.08 | Xho | At least 35 dead apparently |
| 23:08.09 | GD12 | " Death toll rise to at least 39 dead and more than 50 critically wounded" |
| 23:08.13 | Xho | And around 100 hostage |
| 23:08.28 | TekDroid | At least three separate incidents, a fourth unconfirmed |
| 23:08.37 | Charles_Murray | Great |
| 23:08.51 | Charles_Murray | Marine Le Pen is winning the next elections. |
| 23:08.53 | Xho | If this is religious extremism it might be the nail in the coffin |
| 23:09.22 | drom | I don't think it is going to beat 9/11, but it sounds more like one of the worst acts of terrorism imo |
| 23:10.22 | TekDroid | I think the fact one of the attacks appear to have occurred outside a stadium that the French President was in at the time leaves certain concerns open |
| 23:11.22 | drom | TekDroid: Reminds me of the assassination attempt on the Dutch royal family in 2009 |
| 23:11.44 | Xho | The sooner an asteroid wipes out Earth the better |
| 23:11.45 | TekDroid | He made his speech so he is clearly fine of course. |
| 23:12.01 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack_on_the_Dutch_Royal_Family |
| 23:13.35 | Xho | Thing is though |
| 23:13.43 | Xho | This kind of stuff happens every day in the Middle East |
| 23:13.51 | Xho | Perhaps now people will understand why migrants exist |
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| 23:14.32 | drom | Everyone, let's have something that chill down ye nerves https://i.imgur.com/Ox3HVVS.webm |
| 23:14.40 | TekDroid | Unconfirmed reports say they are killing hostages |
| 23:14.45 | GD12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.07 | GD12 | and in reply to tek |
| 23:15.08 | GD12 | Hostages texting that hostages are being killed 1-by-1, begging police to raid |
| 23:15.18 | Monet_2 | Xho: Or people blame the migrant crisis for the incident happening. |
| 23:15.25 | Xho | That too |
| 23:15.39 | Xho | Basically the world is fucked up and global anarchy is inevitable |
| 23:15.49 | Monet_2 | The worl'd always been fucked up. |
| 23:16.00 | Xho | Indeed |
| 23:16.04 | drom | Please say it's just national extremists. |
| 23:16.07 | Xho | Though now the world is fucked up with 7 billion people |
| 23:16.28 | Xho | 7 billion opportunites to fuck up I guess |
| 23:16.30 | GD12 | I'm going to hazard the guess that its Islamic Extermists |
| 23:16.36 | GD12 | Since its so well coordinated |
| 23:16.40 | GD12 | + suicide bombing |
| 23:16.48 | GD12 | + its obviously there to incite terror |
| 23:17.01 | Xho | My friend and I aren't so sure that it is islamic terrorists |
| 23:17.07 | drom | Yeah, that's a very pausible conclusion. |
| 23:17.20 | drom | But I think it is TOO coordinated |
| 23:17.24 | Xho | Exactly |
| 23:17.48 | Xho | The manner of coincidence that Hollande was in the stadium and then 100 hostages alongside many other dead |
| 23:18.06 | Xho | Islamic extremists aren't usually THAT planned |
| 23:18.12 | TekDroid | Remember that back in the days we had people in the thousands and millions killed in wars of religion. |
| 23:18.25 | Xho | TekDroid: You mean 2014 |
| 23:18.39 | drom | TekDroid: Yeah, except terrorism wasn't a thing that millenium |
| 23:18.42 | GD12 | Thats true, but still, the suicide bombing |
| 23:18.58 | Xho | I dunno, the Crusades were pretty odd |
| 23:19.01 | drom | Could be someone who has been deprived of all his friends and family |
| 23:19.19 | drom | Or a lunatic going to extreme lengths |
| 23:19.23 | Xho | Though I dunno the reasons behind it other than England deciding Christianity should be brought to Jerusalem |
| 23:19.28 | DrodoEmpire | drom: Not in the modern form |
| 23:19.38 | DrodoEmpire | Similar acts still happened all the time, only on a much larger scale |
| 23:20.24 | TekDroid | Even the European Wars of Religion which killed millions |
| 23:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | Its only that now today modern terrorism is usually on a smaller scale but has a larger impact due to modern communications technology |
| 23:20.44 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
| 23:21.06 | drom | DrodoEmpire: The only thing I can think of is sabotage, espionage, planned assissnations and deliberate mass arson. |
| 23:21.30 | drom | No, I'm not saying that the Great London fire was deliberate |
| 23:21.43 | DrodoEmpire | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre |
| 23:21.59 | GD12 | - Multiple explosions - Multiple shootings - 100 hostages - Military deployed - At least 40 dead - At least 60 injured |
| 23:22.32 | DrodoEmpire | Religiously-motivated mass-killing meant to exterminate and terrify the French protestant population |
| 23:22.34 | DrodoEmpire | Terrorism. |
| 23:23.03 | drom | Hands down |
| 23:23.28 | GD12 | French police official confirms two suicide attacks and one bombing near a stadium in |
| 23:23.45 | TekDroid | two suicide attacks? Wow |
| 23:23.56 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway I'm going to go for a bit, I'd rather not revel in this sort of thing as I find it a little upsetting\ |
| 23:24.28 | drom | Wormy_away: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/google-self-driving-car-pulled-over-for-not-going-fast-enough/ |
| 23:25.34 | Xho | https://twitter.com/red_labour/status/665299724082257920 Now that's just disgusting behaviour |
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| 23:27.28 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/ZdxVizY.webm |
| 23:27.46 | Xho | ? |
| 23:28.07 | GD12 | BREAKING: Five explosions heard near Bataclan concert hall in #Paris: Reuters witness |
| 23:28.13 | GD12 | BREAKING: Shots and explosions being heard on French television near Bataclan concert hall in Paris - Reuters |
| 23:28.21 | GD12 | Thats where most of the hostages are being held I think |
| 23:31.02 | Xho | One thing that's more frightening than the event itself is the retaliation |
| 23:31.35 | GD12 | You mean the curfew and state of emergency? |
| 23:31.42 | Xho | I mean the repercussions after this |
| 23:31.45 | GD12 | Oh |
| 23:31.46 | drom | The planning and the execution of the event frightens me |
| 23:31.48 | GD12 | Yeah definitely |
| 23:31.56 | GD12 | Well I think France is 5% Muslim |
| 23:32.14 | drom | I mean, this mass terror is very unique of its' kind |
| 23:32.14 | GD12 | *7.5% apparently |
| 23:32.50 | GD12 | This has 9/11 levels of coordination |
| 23:33.14 | drom | except that 9/11 is more fatal, so far |
| 23:33.34 | drom | Remember that day when a French factory was attacked by a solo terrorist? |
| 23:34.02 | drom | More people were killed that same day, in terror attacks across Africa and the Mid-Eastern |
| 23:35.42 | GD12 | of course |
| 23:35.58 | GD12 | I was referring to the synchorinzation |
| 23:37.11 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ramadan_attacks |
| 23:37.18 | drom | Yeah, that's absurd |
| 23:39.06 | drom | iirc an attack against an Africa-Union military base occured the same day, 50-100 soldiers were killed. |
| 23:39.17 | drom | in Somalia, if anyone asks |
| 23:42.19 | Xho | One thing that's going to really worsen is Islamophobia |
| 23:43.36 | GD12 | Aye |
| 23:43.43 | GD12 | the Pegida rallies will probably make a resurgence |
| 23:43.47 | GD12 | "Police ask that reporting stop from scene of #Bataclan, where people still reportedly hiding from gunmen - @UPI" |
| 23:44.14 | GD12 | Reporter - Oh Bob is hiding there and Alice is hiding over there |
| 23:46.38 | GD12 | The latest Pegida (October 19) got 9,000 protesters I think |
| 23:47.02 | Xho | If I had won the Euromillions jackpot tonight, I would have just built a Vault like in Fallout and lived in there |
| 23:48.47 | GD12 | haha |
| 23:50.12 | GD12 | French TV presenter reports that dismembered bodies found at Bataclan hall, 50 hostages still remain. |
| 23:50.30 | drom | ... |
| 23:51.30 | TekDroid | ...I hope that's just a false rumour... ...please... |
| 23:55.25 | GD12 | UPDATE: Locations reportedly under attack - Bataclan République Les Halles Trocadéro St de France Belleville Paris X |
| 23:55.37 | GD12 | So 7 seperate attacks |
| 23:55.54 | TekDroid | They reportedly killed two attackers |
| 23:56.10 | GD12 | *Bataclan, République, Les Halles, Trocadéro, St de France, Belleville, Paris X |
| 23:56.54 | GD12 | aye 2 attackers kiled |
| 23:57.08 | GD12 | Bataclan operation over meaning hopefully most hostages are safe |
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