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00:10.53The_RandomnessHello
00:12.06Technobliteratorho randum
00:12.31The_Randomnesstfw 6 homework assignments due in one week
00:16.10dromi know ya
00:22.44The_RandomnessFortunately I'm done with 5 of them and finishing up the fifth one right now
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01:17.14Wormy_hi
01:17.38Wormy_Monet:  Met Desmond at fuckin' Point Lookout in F3
01:23.37Wormy_drom "My Grandpa said, 'Your generation relies too much on technology!' I replied, 'No, your generation relies too much on technology!' Then I unplugged his life support."
01:24.12Wormy_and more http://imgur.com/gallery/vsKdFsV
01:26.41Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/KTEBsoh
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01:38.04DrodoEmpireohgod that second one
01:40.03Wormy_seen before but http://imgur.com/gallery/XRcg7s6
01:41.13DrodoEmpireohgod
01:46.50Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/TT8m9
02:05.22DrodoEmpireHh
02:05.24DrodoEmpire*Huh
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09:47.02ImperiosBrowsed through my Spore folder
09:47.07ImperiosNow I feel like crying
09:48.10Liquid_InkOh?
09:50.22ImperiosAll the stuff I have made in Spore
09:50.25ImperiosAll those years
09:50.30ImperiosIt's like revisiting your childhood
09:50.35Liquid_Ink:3
09:50.51ImperiosFor some reason I made a lot of temples as a teen
09:51.07ImperiosI see I tried to make mosques, Russian Orthodox churches and even an Italian basilica
09:51.12ImperiosThat floats on an island even
09:51.39ImperiosBuddhist temples too
10:15.15Liquid_Inkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yCGRy_dR30
10:15.25Liquid_InkHelp, I've discovered the Half-Life fandom
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10:56.37JepardiHi
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11:45.35HachimanHai
11:46.13GhelaeHello.
11:46.35XhoHi
11:46.48XhoAnd hi to everyone else since I haven't spoken since I joined
11:47.12GhelaeHi to you too.
11:47.32Liquid_InkHello Xhoo
11:48.22XhoI have an idea for a Fantasy empire that can populate the Western Continent, though not quite sure which region yet
11:48.30XhoEither Highmoors or Sunset Isles
11:49.31dromOh hello
11:49.46XhoPossibly the Sunset Isles since it's further west
11:49.50GhelaeSo what would this empire be like?
11:50.01HachimanWhat would the empire be like?
11:50.10XhoIn it's most basic sense it's a Kelodhrosi analogue to the Sovereignty and Empire of Man
11:50.28Liquid_InkWhat happened to those humans you suddenly added to the Shiarchon on the map?
11:50.43XhoThey're now under Shiarchon rule hur
11:51.05XhoThe dragon one I'm on about is probably going to be more like a pent up Switzerland
11:51.10XhoNeutral to everyone and grumpy
11:51.57XhoI wanna have some users share it as well since there's not many things going on on the western continent
11:52.04XhoApart from void shenanigans
11:52.21Liquid_InkYes
11:52.37Liquid_InkWould it be semi-federal like the Empire of Man?
11:52.45XhoI guess it would be
11:52.48dromHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DpHpDSRNhs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkENRgd8Xd4
11:53.09XhoI kinda need to make a species of Kelodhros that preside over the empire
11:53.09HachimanSounds like a nice idea
11:53.58XhoThey're probably not too much of a fan of the Empire of Man's xenophobia
11:54.18Liquid_InkWould it be xenophobic too?
11:54.19HachimanNot many are hur
11:54.48XhoAs Kelodhros they're probably a bit iffy on Deiwes
11:55.34XhoWith their weird pinkiness
11:55.56XhoI dunno what to call this empire/kingdom/whatever though
11:55.59XhoKelodhrosi Something
11:56.25HachimanCommonwealth
11:56.35XhoThat works
11:57.15XhoI could have it span from the Sunset Isles into the Highmoors since there's that nice island there I've got my eye on
11:57.53HachimanTry not to take up all the space hur
11:59.28Liquid_InkWhich island?
12:00.31XhoMUST TAKE ALL SPACE
12:00.44XhoThe one the Highmoors encircle
12:00.53XhoThe island between the continent and the Slumbering Lands
12:01.01HachimanMakes sense
12:01.26Xhomight be my chance to make fantasy kelodhros kicath olololol
12:01.28GhelaeIt seems reasonable that an empire from that island might also have lands on the peninsula directly north of it.
12:01.58GhelaeThere's not much of a gap between them.
12:02.09HachimanKeep in mind that to classify as kelodhros, they must have wings hur
12:02.14XhoKicath with wings
12:02.23XhoDraconis can't sleep at night
12:02.43Liquid_InkIf I could bother being active, I'd have the Phfiions have some sort of detailed relationship with them.
12:02.58XhoHm what colour should I use
12:03.05XhoBlue?
12:03.55Liquid_InkEmpire of Man is yellow, the Elf one is bluish green, so what makes a triumvirate?
12:04.03XhoRed
12:04.14XhoI'll go with a purple-ish colour then
12:04.21Liquid_InkSounds good.
12:05.37GhelaeLiquid_Ink: IIRC you did once offer to give the Phfiions to me. Maybe I could bother to be active instead if you can't. If this Kelodhrosi Commonwealth is also going to be shared, then I was thinking about joining that as as well.
12:06.03Liquid_InkWe could make it shared between us.
12:06.11Liquid_InkTHe Phfiion empire.
12:06.57GhelaeThat might work.
12:08.30HachimanI should probably work on the Oevrumine presence in the southern end of the Highmoors
12:10.21HachimanThe Highmoor Oevrumine are not going to be aligned to the Throne of Qliphoth and will probably be exempt from the reproduction issues of the eastern Oevrumine
12:11.05HachimanWhile they are probably bigger and stronger than the Throne Oevrumine, they would lack Qliphothic iron and steel as a primary resource
12:11.52GhelaeReading the Phfiion Empire page, I've noticed it says they led "some failed attempts to colonise another larger island to the south"... which now implies the Empire occasionally tried to conquer the Slumbering Lands.
12:13.16Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png/revision/latest?cb=20151031013821 I've added some other territories aside from the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth since they've been mentioned but never mapped
12:14.48XhoI wish I had the software I use at work on this computer
12:14.57XhoI could create some detailed logos
12:21.18Liquid_InkI imagine the Commonwealth will get bigger as people add their own little dragon states.
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12:25.44Hachiman__FUCK OFF
12:26.15Hachiman__Would it have been at all possible for the Aithrena Elves to pass through the mountains of the Silver Steppe or Highmoors from the Western Forests?
12:26.42Liquid_InkElves are capable of all kinds of crazy shit.
12:27.04GhelaeGetting to the Steppe shouldn't be hard.
12:27.40GhelaeBut I would think the mountains are more of an obstable. Not impassible, but enough to make people look for a better way around.
12:28.51GhelaeThe more southerly parts of the mountains, I mean, since looking at the map it appears there are mountains all the way up.
12:29.42HachimanSuppose that's fair enough
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12:40.41Xhoups
12:40.49GhelaeHello.
12:41.17OluapPlayerbah hamburg
12:41.27Xhoy u hate the germans
12:41.29HachimanHai
12:41.54OluapPlayerWhat are all these new things in the Koldenwelt map?
12:42.18Liquid_InkPicture the empire of man
12:42.22XhoEverything but the Kelodhrosi Commonwelath is stuff that's been mentioned but never added, the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth is a new shared thing I'm starting
12:42.27Liquid_InkBut kelodhros
12:42.42XhoWithout the xenophobia and purging
12:42.43OluapPlayerNot very original
12:43.05XhoNot quite sure how to respond to that
12:43.09HachimanAs Xho put it, a kelodhros equivalent to the Empire and the Sovereignty
12:43.36GhelaeXho actually described it as "like a pent up Switzerland ... Neutral to everyone and grumpy".
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12:43.50MonetHi
12:43.51HachimanHi Monet
12:44.20OluapPlayerAnd what are the other things, I don't recognize these names
12:45.02XhoLightless Plains is the evil dark Dalmiric region where those Lindworms live, basically the area the Shiarchon are somewhat reluctant to venture into
12:45.11XhoSiqis'ari tribes are the territories that Khaadun comes from
12:45.33XhoAnd Frost Drakes are Frost Drakes
12:45.46OluapPlayerShould've asked me before adding the first one
12:45.57OluapPlayerLindworms are not locked to one place
12:46.08XhoI know, there's more things than Lindworms in that region
12:46.30XhoMainly lots of disgruntled Dalmiric people who like dark magic
12:46.44GhelaeI see there's a tiny tiny bit of Lightless Plain surrounding by Shiarchon territory.
12:46.48Ghelaesurrounded*
12:47.25XhoYeah that's a city that was tied to the Lightless Plains before the Shiarchon invaded the area, and they're still a bit hesitant to go there
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12:48.14OluapPlayerI question the need to mention the Frost Drakes in the map since I doubt they have stuff like cities and an empire but I'll give the benefit of doubt since they're sapient
12:48.28XhoIf you're gonna be in a bad mood then you should cool off
12:48.41OluapPlayerI'm not in a bad mood
12:48.47OluapPlayerI'm being honest
12:49.32OluapPlayerGranted I literally just woke up
12:50.01XhoThe Kelodhrosi Commonwealth was mainly a ploy to get a superpower on to the Western Continent that wasn't void-powered
12:50.25XhoThat and there's not a highly significant kelodhros influence on Koldenwelt any more since Ar-Klith and the Orocathi Domain are quiet
12:50.46OluapPlayerImp is a ded who refuses to finish their page
12:51.11Monet_2I'd pondered about picking the Domain up again.
12:51.27XhoThough one could argue there's a superpower that has a particular racial dominance everywhere
12:51.40XhoMonet_2: Perhaps the Commonwealth and Domain are allies then
12:52.09Monet_2Xho: Maybe.
12:52.49dromMonet_2: http://imgur.com/m1DbzYm
12:52.56Monet_2Come to think of it given Archavior's newfound wealth and what that means in Domain society, maybe he ended up starting something.
12:53.06OluapPlayerI find coming up with kelodhros races difficult compared to all the other creature types
12:54.09OluapPlayerComing with up a Sovereignty equivalent means it has lots of dragon races and not just one
12:54.19Xhomuchos dragonos
12:54.24HachimanSame with an Empire equivalent
12:54.29HachimanLots of humans, not just one
12:54.45dromMonet: I think Wormy_'d kill to see that http://gfycat.com/AltruisticLightheartedGiantschnauzer
12:54.46MonetDragon ethinicities.
12:55.39Monetdrom: Most gentlemanly kill streak ever.
12:56.58MonetXho: Thinking now maybe Archavior triggered a waveof power-seekers who are desperate to mimic his success?
12:57.09Xhogoddamn dergons
12:58.19MonetSo you'd have a number of Draonoggr suddenly spilling out of Orocathrheim looting and conquering because if some nobody was able to find an Oriacalcum hoard and become an Archon maybe they can too.
12:59.01XhoSeptimus - this is why it's buried miles underground
13:00.23Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kelodhrosi_Commonwealth Eh there we go so far
13:00.24MonetOr maybe Archavior just gets greedy and heads a wave of dragon warlords.
13:01.13drommumbles "dueos est putaah!"
13:01.20MonetHe may have helped protect the world in the Forgotten Lands but he's still a massive arse.
13:01.33XhoPelagrios - know dem feels
13:01.59XhoSo who wants to create some dragons then
13:02.20HachimanI may do later, I'm somewhat outta ideas right now
13:02.42MonetWhen the party pickeed him up during the quest for the Golden Necoropolis he was i nthe middle of conquering a town.
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13:03.24OluapPlayerPiece of shit
13:03.26Xhou
13:04.01GhelaeI could create ideas for dragons, but no Spore here means I can't make any actual models yet.
13:04.07MonetHe also had a personal buttkisser.
13:04.09MonetDragonsworn lieutenant*
13:04.48dromXho Monet Ghelae: https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/3rted7/psbattle_hires_nonwatermarked_image_of_harold_the/
13:04.58XhoSo Fallout 4 is a 23.8 GB download according to Steam
13:06.30MonetXho: I'm fine with ties between the Commonwealth and Domain.
13:06.43Xhogud
13:09.27MonetThough looking at their policy it doesn't quite seem like the two would be allies for pursuing the same goal.
13:09.36XhoProbably not no
13:10.05XhoThe main race in the Commonwealth aren't really typical dragons in their nature
13:10.20XhoHence the Commonwealth's motto
13:10.33MonetI could make an ambassador character.
13:11.24MonetWhile their goals might not align, the Domain could still be open for trade.
13:12.21XhoCould do
13:12.35XhoWhat would be the Domain's view on the Commonwealth if the Domain decided to expand
13:14.43MonetProbably a case of "we'd be welcome if you supported our expansion, but if you don't then please don't interfere"
13:17.14MonetIt's a little hard to say due to how mountain lords tend to do their own thing quite a bit.
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13:19.49Hachiman"How would you like to be handled after death?" "Scattered at Disneyland. Also, I don't want to be cremated."
13:19.53Wormy_hi
13:20.23GhelaeHello.
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13:30.05Wormy_https://www.thefire.org/yale-students-demand-resignations-from-faculty-members-over-halloween-email/
13:32.32Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12065916_1700297246859194_1259634475015963273_n.png?oh=33046813184788c2010330db7c489d66&oe=56C227A5
13:34.09Wormy_Reminds of that fat terrorist who hid an explosives in hit bum cheaks - it absorbed most of the explosion and killed nobody else
13:34.53Monet_2Messy.
13:36.42Wormy_Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/pdLSs
13:46.03Wormy_"Think about it, Britain is basically a giant carrier."  http://imgur.com/gallery/49jbZLS
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13:47.42Wormy_still can't fly http://imgur.com/gallery/oq0GSxm
13:48.35dromHachiman: If you threaten to kill Burgerpants in the Genocide run. He will just wave off you by saying "Sorry, little weirdo. I cannot go to hell. I'm out of vacation days."
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13:48.51OluapPlayerGoddamnit
13:49.24Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/A1omhzw
13:50.32Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/8IV1WZX
13:53.25Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/u3L47w5
13:57.47OluapPlayerXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrJJmS9j5pY
13:58.22XhoMeanwhile in the Underworld
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14:21.44Robotickinghello
14:28.55Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFVdTHDFGg  "There is a very mysterious earthquake happening in my parents is bedroom now and i hear them screaming!!!"
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14:35.13SpuMonet_2 Hachiman: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/15/SercasnarRex.png/revision/latest?cb=20151107143336 So I made the dragon race
14:35.30Wormy_Monet:  Star Trek Crew Watch Star Wars 7 Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCw9NLHrvog
14:35.43HachimanLooks pretty nice
14:38.11OluapPlayery not show me too
14:38.24Spucuz u not intrested in winged lizard cult
14:38.37OluapPlayeri never sed dat
14:38.42OluapPlayerI jus wanted more detail
14:38.55SpuOluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/15/SercasnarRex.png/revision/latest?cb=20151107143336 dere u hapi nao
14:39.00OluapPlayerye
14:39.14OluapPlayerI like the colours
14:39.24OluapPlayerAnd the armor
14:39.30SpuI'm getting the idea of the Kelodhrosi Commonwealth to be a safe haven for the Kelodhrosi species since they don't appear to be well-planted anywhere else on Koldenwelt
14:39.53SpuAlso because of such presences as the Shiarchon who actively want to purge everything
14:40.37SpuThe actual name of the race is the Athsulisstai
14:41.51HachimanSo much for Fantasy Kicath hur
14:42.08SpuYeah Fantasy Kicath could never happen
14:42.11SpuToo cyberpunk
14:42.24OluapPlayerShiarchon already fall under fantasy Kicath
14:42.34OluapPlayerRace of dickholes who hate everyone
14:42.34OluapPlayerc
14:42.44SpuFair enough hur
14:43.01SpuThe Athsulisstai orginally had a kingdom that was present during the Orichalcum Elves' time
14:43.29SpuThe Orichalcum Elves got their asses handed to them by the Athsulisstai because 1) Orichalcum Elves aren't massive dragon people    2) dragons
14:43.57HachimanLooks like Sun magic doesn't work so well against dragons
14:44.26SpuBut I would gather that the Shiarchon started going genocide across the world and probably drove a lot of Kelodhros species west to get as far away from the Shiarchon as possible
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14:44.49OluapPlayer_FUCKING
14:44.59OluapPlayer_Disconnected in the middle of the conversation
14:45.03OluapPlayer_I hate this shit
14:45.10SpuBut yeah the Athsulisstai and Orichalcum Elves did not get along
14:45.30OluapPlayer_Did anyone ever get along with the Ori Elves hur
14:45.47SpuI think if they did, it was only because the Void Denizens were nastier
14:46.01Wormy_Oluap:  Did you see this?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Undelete?target=Template%3AUser%3AOluapPlayer%2FNavbox%2FBorealisbox
14:46.07OluapPlayer_Yes
14:46.14OluapPlayer_I was quite confused
14:46.14SpuSince they were a race intent on conquering the entire world in the name of order, not many people would've liked them much at all
14:46.35Wormy_As was I, to how and why the anon made that page
14:47.33OluapPlayer_>Beastmen had a working worldwide alliance            >Dragons had an united empire which still exists               >Elves were a bunch of cocks
14:47.36OluapPlayer_filthy humienoids
14:47.53Monet_2Spu: They must have an impressive stature.
14:48.40SpuQuite big
14:48.54Monet_2I'm really liking the tail.
14:48.59SpuAn Orichalcum Elf is roughly to their chest height
14:49.11OluapPlayer_As I was saying before I got disconnected, the last dragon race I made were the ones on this page http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet%3AKoldenwelt/Silver_Steppe#Sapients
14:49.12SpuSo probably about 5 metres
14:49.21Spusteel dergons
14:50.22OluapPlayer_It was a model I made months ago but couldn't find a place to use
14:50.39OluapPlayer_and they're totally not a thing I stole from a videogame
14:50.40Monet_2Well one of the things Draonoggr look down upon about the deiwos is how smal lthey are.
14:50.50Monet_2So there's a replations plus.
14:51.13SpuDrao - u so teeny tiny
14:51.30SpuOluapPlayer: Wait until they find out they're descended from the Iron and Carbon Dragons
14:51.48OluapPlayer_Steel Dragon - dats nonsense tho
14:52.04HachimanDwarf - wats dis bout ore dragons
14:52.12OluapPlayer_Also I don't believe I mentioned but I also added the Spinker and the Klamb in the setting
14:52.25SpuI saw the Klamb
14:52.26HachimanI don't remember you adding the Spinker
14:52.29GhelWormy_: The navboxes automatically provide linkes to "Template_talk:[template name]", even if the navbox is in userspace.
14:52.33OluapPlayer_The Klamb are tribesmen who live at Highmoor, and the Spinker were an Eastern Plains race who served the Dawn Wardens
14:52.40HachimanAh cool
14:53.13OluapPlayer_Emphasis on served, they're dead now
14:53.26SpuKoluap - serve meter expired           ded
14:53.47OluapPlayer_Koluap - I GET TO RIDE A DRAGON              WAIT I'M KINDA A DRAGON AM I NOT
14:57.56SpuWould there be such thing as a Kelodhrosi language
14:58.21OluapPlayer_I always listed by dragons as speaking 'Draconic'
14:58.26SpuHm
14:58.33OluapPlayer_For a lack of a better name and because D&D does it
14:58.46SpuIf they originally spoke Phoenix/Primordial/Old Tongue then I dunno what the Athsulisstai would speak
14:59.04SpuProbably just some bastardized Phoenix Tongue
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14:59.53OluapPlayerBOATLOAD OF FUCKING DICKS
15:01.02GhelI wrote on the Kelodhros page that the words "dragon" and "drake" come from an old Kelodhros tongue; if we decided to make that correspond to a real-world language, it would be ancient Greek.
15:01.22HachimanKinda works
15:03.09Monet_2Spu: Primordial or Old possibly.
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15:06.00OluapPlayer_Good lord what is this shit
15:07.01HachimanWas doing the same to me earlier
15:07.36OluapPlayer_Now I have reasons to be in a bad mood
15:07.42OluapPlayer_Shitty fucking internet is going berserk
15:11.59Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/BLcXTt1
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15:12.07OluapPlayerI'm going to die today
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15:12.48HachimanHi Imp
15:13.04OluapPlayerruskie
15:13.21Monet_2Hello
15:17.48ImperiosBrasileiro
15:18.20OluapPlayerhuecyka
15:19.30OluapPlayerI noticed you made the Highmoor's horrifying land sharks
15:23.18Wormy_rom:  http://imgur.com/gallery/3VgMOlw
15:23.20Wormy_drom
15:25.43OluapPlayerSpu: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1446901635593.png
15:26.03SpuLooks about right
15:26.11SpuApparently Fallout 4 has more Deathclaws in it
15:26.15SpuWe do not need that
15:26.22SpuWe do not need more Deathclaws
15:26.24OluapPlayerI should warn you to watch where you browse
15:26.37OluapPlayerThere are Fallout 4 spoilers out there already
15:26.43SpuRight
15:26.51SpuI've been avoiding everything related to Fallout 4
15:26.55SpuEven the trailers
15:27.02OluapPlayerdat extreme
15:27.14HachimanCannot say I blame him
15:27.23HachimanTrailers reveal excessive amounts of stuff nowadays
15:28.23HachimanUnless you are Halo 5 in which case you actively mislead your audience by advertising content not even in the game
15:28.35OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/lbUbP2t.webm "Sir, are you aware that you're a fish ?"
15:29.51HachimanNgh gotta go shopping
15:29.51Hachimanbbs
15:34.06ImperiosOluapPlayer: Not sure if I should have given them legs
15:35.36OluapPlayerThey look good to me
15:37.18GhelIf you make a land-dwelling shark that doesn't have legs, you've just made a shark and said "yeah these things can totally breathe air".
15:37.23GhelSo yes, legs were a good decision.
15:38.11OluapPlayerFirst squid sharks, now frog sharks
15:38.15ImperiosIt's not a land-dwelling shark
15:38.19ImperiosIt's more like a lungfish
15:38.20OluapPlayerKoldenwelt is a scary place for people with shark-phobia
15:38.37ImperiosLives in swampy places and can chase you on land a little
15:38.46GhelClose enough.
15:39.52GhelAlthough now I'm imagining a shark aestivating underground. The rains fall and suddenly sharks burst forth from the soil.
15:40.17OluapPlayerTruly nowhere is safe
15:43.01SpuDear god
15:43.54dromReminds me of those african toads
15:44.58dromThey reside under soil during dry and sunny periods, when the rain period come, thousands to millions of toads emerge from the soil and migrate to the closest water body to initialize their mating period.
15:46.15GhelPlenty of species do it. Perhaps fortunately, I don't suppose the Highmoors have a dry season.
15:47.46SpuOrichalcum Elf - do u kno y we never conquered the west                                         sharks
15:48.02OluapPlayerThe lungshark model is actually very similar to an enemy of a game I play, which happens to be frog-sharks who live in the ice
15:48.35OluapPlayerhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/monsterhunter/images/8/84/MH4-Zamite_Render_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20150203040849 paint it green and it's a dead ringer
15:49.35GhelI assume there isn't a good reason why the infobox on the Highmoors page was titled "The Silver Steppe" and had a map of the Sunset Isles on it? I've just changed it now.
15:50.12OluapPlayerBecause it was made late at night by a very tired and irritated person
15:50.57dromOh, I just got reminded that I've also a creature similar to those lungsharks, except that its backfin is a third leg
15:51.00OluapPlayerhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/monsterhunter/images/8/89/MH4-Zamtrios_Render_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20140120060817 let's just hope the lungsharks don't grow into giant versions of themselves
15:51.24dromthose look cute
15:53.21drombrb going out with friends to the cinema
15:53.52Spuu have friends       lel
15:53.59Spuis now sad that he doesn't have friends
15:54.19Spuhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Athsulisstai bah
15:54.30dromdats wat u get for mocking me
15:54.55Monet_2Well FO4's power armour looks suitably more imposing.
15:54.55dromTo be fair though, at least we have each other.
15:55.01OluapPlayerbut im ur friend
15:55.19SpuI mean physical friends hur
15:55.30OluapPlayerr u callin me a ghost
15:55.31OluapPlayerwoooooo
15:56.00SpuWell Fallout 4 is pre-loaded...now all it needs to do IS GO THREE DAYS FORWARD
15:56.40dromOluapPlayer is Napstablook
15:57.05drom... probably wrong person.
15:57.12dromDoesn't matter anyway
15:57.12OluapPlayerI'm depressed and have a huge amount of self-loathing
15:57.14OluapPlayerso it fits enough
16:04.44ImperiosSpu: I wonder if the Dalmiri ever tried settling the Highmoors
16:04.59SpuProbably
16:05.12SpuHuge walking sharks scared them off
16:06.22OluapPlayerIt'd be easier to settle at the Silver Steppe
16:06.31OluapPlayerSince you kinda have to get past it to reach the Highmoors
16:09.31SpuJesus Fallout 4 is hi-spec as mad
16:09.55ImperiosI had that idea of a Dalmiri king building a city in the Highmoors and then getting cursed to become undead
16:10.14SpuRecommended specs require a 3.6 GHz processor and at least a 3 GB graphics card
16:13.29OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Et481TNgE new Mass Effect Andromeda teaser
16:13.48Monet_2What length could be the minimum for a superfreighter?
16:13.59Monet_25km? maybe 10?
16:14.43Monet_2Or do we go for something like 20?
16:17.32Imperios"The war for Shepard's ass continues"
16:17.35ImperiosDamn it I love the comments
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16:18.18JepardiHi
16:28.00Monet_2Hi
16:32.57ImperiosOluapPlayer: Hm
16:33.11ImperiosWould that be Shepard's daughter, or just him/her sending the message to the ship going to Andromeda?
16:33.19OluapPlayerProbably the latter
16:34.50Monet_2It looks like it might be a generation ship. But that's a random guess.
16:38.15Monet_2http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Superfreighter page.
16:41.48Imperiosnow that is itneresting
16:41.59ImperiosI have a few superfreighter designs in mind already
16:44.22HachimanMASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA TEASER
16:44.22OluapPlayerfinally
16:44.24HachimanI GOTTA WATCH THIS
16:44.35OluapPlayerSpu Hachiman Imperios: Can we continue Hysteria pls
16:46.10Hachiman>FemShep is the canon Shep
16:47.10HachimanGOOD SHIT GOOD SHIT THAT'S SOME GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE RIGHT THERE IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF I SAY SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE RIGHT THERE RIGHT THERE MMMMMMMM WHOOOOOOOOOOO
16:47.24OluapPlayerGood god shut up
16:47.45OluapPlayerYou're sounding like a rabid Justin Bieber fangirl
16:48.08Hachiman;-;
16:48.25HachimanAlso yes I can do Mind of Menstruation
16:48.28HachimanI mean Hysteria
16:48.32OluapPlayerew
16:48.37OluapPlayerSpu Imperios: raep
16:48.42Imperiosi GUESS
16:48.52HachimanrIGHT THERE
16:49.00OluapPlayerstop dis
16:49.21Wormy_awayMonet:  Thanks for featuring the wormhole coach!
16:49.31ImperiosHachiman: I guess you blame finists again do you not
16:49.47HachimanNot at all
16:49.51HachimanI prefer FemShep
16:49.54Monet_2Wormy_away: No problem. I might consider a coupe of other designs.
16:49.55OluapPlayerBlah Xho is on Dinosaur Preorder Simulator
16:50.18HachimanFemShep is much more characteristic and better voice-acted than ManShep so I am glad FemShep is the canon Shep
16:50.59ImperiosAnd then new FemShep's canon appearance is a pink-haired punk fattie
16:51.22HachimanIt's like you want to make me mad again
16:51.36HachimanWhy can none of you let me be happy hur
16:51.39ImperiosJust kidding hur
16:52.24Wormy_awayMonet_2:  I drew inspiration from this artwork https://youtu.be/u9_YyF7d3bQ?t=2m12s
16:52.45ImperiosMaybe I do not see the SJW threat seriously from my gay-burning Ukrainian-conquering neo-Stalinist turf
16:52.52OluapPlayerImp get in the pad grr
16:58.10Monet_2Wormy: I like the one that looks like a brick
16:59.39Wormy_awayImperios:  My main concern is with the attitude of student unions banning speeches by controversial people.
17:00.08Wormy_awayUniversities are supposed to be places for debate, and to learn how to deal with criticism
17:00.40Wormy_awayThat, and the middle class prividledged PC brigade in general piss me off
17:02.00Wormy_awayTheir heart is set the right place, but wrong way of doing things
17:03.01Wormy_awayWe live in an age where someone can take offense to a private joke and get you fired.
17:03.53Wormy_awayOr where a 12 year old get dreadlocks and is bullied by a witch hunt of twitter warriors
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17:04.39Wormy_awayIt is something for concern, because although its left wing, its still authoritarian.
17:04.53CyrannianHello!
17:04.56Wormy_awayHi
17:06.53CyrannianWormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCw9NLHrvog - The crew of the Enterprise watch the new trailer
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17:06.56OluapPlayer_Motherfucker
17:07.07Wormy_Cyrannian:  Seen it, for it was funny
17:07.13Wormy_*thought it
17:08.35Cyrannian~explode OluapPlayer_
17:08.37infobotACTION blows up OluapPlayer_ with bombs
17:08.53CyrannianI like how Picard smiles when the Dark Side is mentioned and scowls when the Jedi are mentioned
17:10.07CyrannianOluapPlayer_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Mou%27Cyran#Fauna - c dis
17:10.13OluapPlayer_I seen
17:10.50OluapPlayer_Dinos and a seahorse thingy
17:13.09GhelHmm. Apparently my emotionless side really shows when people talk about taxa on my message wall. I normally try to be somewhat friendly but I seem to have completely forgotten how to do that now.
17:14.21Monet_2Imperios: If you can add stuff to the SUperfreighter page I don't mind at all. Pictures can always come later though
17:15.04GhelAh, there we go. I've gone for emotional whiplash instead.
17:16.14Wormy_U undid his note "200th post" or something, and then I realised this probably isn't a glitch or needs conforming http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Glitches/Minor_Glitches#Edit_Maxis_Cells
17:16.17Wormy_confirming
17:16.20Wormy_*I
17:17.00Wormy_I type so quickly and automatically now, I forget to read my posts.
17:17.27GhelBeing able to edit Maxis creations that aren't supposed to be edited (cells, adventures) might count as a glitch.
17:17.54GhelAlthough it's of the same type of thing as being able to make creature statues in the adventure creator using gates. Do we count that as a glitch?
17:18.18Wormy_I always thought that qas a hidden feature, myself.
17:18.21Wormy_*was
17:21.33CyrannianIf anyone has any nominations for featured fiction, let it be known
17:23.12HachimanCreature:Duergar and Fiction:Duergar Empire by OluapPlayer
17:24.52Wormy_I don't normally say youtube adverts were entertaining, but this isn't bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao7wOJ5qQ-s
17:26.13Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sts-Kehat - I'll nominate this
17:28.14Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyranai_Hivemind - Ooh and this
17:29.04Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:November_2015:_Featured_Empire_Poll
17:29.06HachimanThose insignias are pretty nice
17:29.26CyrannianDanke
17:30.04CyrannianFeatured captains anyone?
17:31.13HachimanCaptain:Wrugrak by OluapPlayer, Captain:Jalaric Hathgar by moi (hope I do not sound like an egotist)
17:31.37Wormy_Do checkout the Sts-Kehat if you can, very Lovecraftian vibe
17:32.53Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:November_2015:_Featured_Captain_Poll
17:35.35CyrannianFeatured stories?
17:36.31Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Fall_of_Talmyr This
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17:38.28Wormy_Imperios:  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Intergalactic_Caliphate_of_Spode
17:38.52ImperiosWe can actually ban people for this
17:39.15HachimanWait what
17:39.21CyrannianCrimson likes making factions based on real terrorist groups, he made one based on the IRA
17:39.28ImperiosExtremist symbols
17:39.37ImperiosHe could at least, well, cover it up a bit
17:39.44Wormy_I'm not sure about this, at least.  Don't know if its a real flag misrepresented, or an ISIS one or just made up http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Intergalactic_Caliphate_of_Spode_Flag.PNG
17:40.00ImperiosI can't read arabic but I guess that is the shahada
17:40.07ImperiosAnd shahada on white circle on black flag
17:40.08Imperioswell
17:40.33GhelaeI forget: what's the normal length of time for blocking IPs who spam? "Spam" might not be the right word, but the user who made http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:User:OluapPlayer/Navbox/Borealisbox has done it again.
17:40.37Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:November_2015:_Featured_Story_Poll
17:40.45Wormy_I'm not one to PC people on this though, so IO'll remain neutral
17:41.22ImperiosWe should at least warn him not to use the Black Standard
17:41.41Wormy_Ghelae:  I normally pick a week or 2, depending how rude they were or how many pages they edited
17:41.43ImperiosAlso I object to the designation of ISIS and/or its expies as Chaotic Evil
17:41.52ImperiosThey're Lawful Evil
17:42.26GhelaeI've gone for 2 weeks just to be safe. No other contribs so it's not like I'm blocking a helpful user.
17:44.01Wormy_Weird, so it was the same anon we spoke about earlier
17:44.17Wormy_I wonder what that is all about
17:44.45Monet_2Wormy_: THat definitely looks like ISIS's banner to me.
17:45.29Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:November_2015:_Featured_Creature_Poll - dere
17:45.45ImperiosThe only way to know for sure is to find a guy who reads Arabic and ask him
17:45.48ImperiosI actually know one
17:45.55ImperiosBut I feel kinda shy to ask her
17:47.26Wormy_One could compare it to an ISIS flag
17:47.32Imperioshttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/09/Spore_2015-11-06_23-50-57.png/revision/latest?cb=20151107174723 So my sister made this
17:47.39Wormy_But I'm a bit shy of typing that into google
17:48.18CyrannianIs anyone else being randomly logged out on the wiki?
17:48.27GhelaeCyrannian: yes.
17:48.40Wormy_Nope
17:48.43CyrannianAh good, it's not just me
17:49.14Wormy_Imperios:  Cool
17:49.23Wormy_Some look like country balls
17:50.06GhelaeCyrannian: And it's browser-independent, too.
17:51.43Ghelae...Or at least, I've been logged out on the two browsers I have.
17:51.47Imperiosit's actually angry birds
17:52.42Wormy_I was wondering if you looking at country balls a lot might have made her notice it
17:52.56CyrannianIt's quite annoying
17:53.25Wormy_Imperios:  It was Guy Fawkes night recently, which is an odd celebration when you think about it, a terrorist act
17:53.51Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night
17:58.16OluapPlayer_Imperios: Hail the king lungshark and his angry bird knights
18:00.26Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Battle_of_Atrithrillia - Take a look
18:00.50OluapPlayer_dats not cold war paeg
18:01.55Cyranniansoon, soon
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19:19.18OluapPlayer_It's a waste of time followed by another
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19:48.56ImperiosHachiman: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/e/e5/Marc_Simonetti_Bran_theironthroneJoff.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140926192518 Wait what do you mean the throne is that spiky
19:49.06ImperiosThat's something Abaddon would sit on
19:49.34HachimanIt's not that spiky at all
19:49.45HachimanWell, actually no that's kind of a lie
19:50.07HachimanThe mythology behind it is that only a king can sit on the Iron Throne without being cut by its blades
19:50.18HachimanOr one deserving to be a king rather
19:50.44HachimanJoffrey Baratheon, who was scammed to be king by his mother, was cut upon sitting on it for the first time which is good because Joffrey is a shithead
19:51.38ImperiosIsn't that the kid
19:52.20HachimanYeah
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20:17.03ImperiosHm what number could I give for the population of the Imperial Center
20:17.17ImperiosMedieval counterparts are kind of inconsistent
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20:17.36ImperiosBaghdad housed 300,000 people while European capitals housed only a few ten thousand
20:18.29Monet_2Less than a million is definitely a good target
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20:19.06Monet_2I was told that after Rome fell, it wasn't until the industrialisation of London that we saw cities of over a million people again.
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20:19.38Monet_2My suggestion is base the size on HRE figures.
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20:20.47Monet_2I'm guessing Imperial Center is more comparable to Vienna or something.
20:22.48ImperiosYeah I'm taking a lot of inspiration from the HRE
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20:23.36Imperios100,000 will suffice
20:23.49HachimanImperios: I would go for say maybe a few dozen thousand
20:23.49MonetSounds reasonably large.
20:23.52HachimanHai Oluap
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20:25.40OluapPlayer_God I'm so sick of everything
20:25.47OluapPlayer_Nothing has gone right today
20:28.20ImperiosFuck you both
20:40.22OluapPlayer_eh
20:40.48OluapPlayer_What now
20:42.16SpuI am here btw
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20:48.09HachimanFucking internet
20:53.49Spuhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11693903_10156235370770711_2824986134967895789_n.jpg?oh=6810684f4061a97c2efe7eea08014edc&oe=56BFAE78
20:54.35MonetSpu: Cannot unsee
20:54.54HachimanExcept it isn't because a majority of atheists have been brought up with acclimitization to religious iconograph
20:54.58Hachimaniconography even
20:55.54Hachiman#anti-jokes
21:03.12Spu#rabbit-stew
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21:16.26OpelSpeedsterHello
21:18.52SpuOkay now I'm bored
21:19.20ImperiosOluapPlayer_ Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Empire_of_Man#Cities Look what I made
21:21.21SpuPelagrios - my motto tho
21:22.39Spu'Life is a message' -> shows video of armless man feeding an elderly woman
21:22.44SpuWHAT THE FUCK IS THE MESSAGE
21:29.32OpelSpeedsterSpu: Always help your elders, even if you're the one who needs to be helped in first place
21:30.04HachimanFuck that, old people smell of garbage
21:31.00OpelSpeedsterWisest piece of advice I've heard today.
21:31.53ImperiosHachiman: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a5/Konig-Something.png/revision/latest?cb=20151107213027 Does that work as a Mannazian city picture?
21:32.12HachimanYeah sure
21:32.37OpelSpeedsterImperios: That's a pretty nice-looking picture
21:33.01ImperiosWhat do you think?
21:33.08ImperiosSame question to OluapPlayer_
21:34.19HachimanWhy did you tell us to fuck ourselves earlier
21:34.45ImperiosBecause I was about to show you think that section and that picture and you both disconnected
21:34.48ImperiosSorry for that hur
21:34.52OluapPlayer_I didn't even disconnect
21:34.54OluapPlayer_I was right here
21:34.57OluapPlayer_And you ignored me
21:36.18ImperiosI didn't notice that at first
21:36.18MonetYour old self disconnected. Probably that.
21:36.22ImperiosSorry for that
21:37.14OluapPlayer_About your picture, it's good
21:37.21OluapPlayer_Whether it works for Mannazia is Hachi's decsion
21:37.32HachimanIt does
21:40.42MonetI'm looking at stuff regarding the community opinion of Anno 2205. And I'm seeing three broad categories of reaction.
21:41.40ImperiosSo you have not answered
21:43.02Monet1) "I like the new direction" 2) "I am a veteren and I don't like these different systems" 3) "It needs Uplay and has no multiplayer, so it sucks"
21:45.26MonetAnd I am seeing a significant degree of the human tendancy to be reviled at change.
21:45.59SpuOpelSpeedster: Ah that explains it
21:46.43SpuImperios: OH SHIT FANTASY BERLIN
21:46.56ImperiosFinally someone recognised the gates
21:47.08SpuCourse I did, I'm a fucking genius
21:47.14Spu1% of the time
21:49.19OpelSpeedsterhur
21:49.28OpelSpeedsterI suspected it was German-inspired by the name
21:49.51OpelSpeedsterAnd the fact that it had "Fegelein" in its description, but I didn't associate it with Berlin
21:50.38SpuMonet: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=550024564 This is what I was dealing with earlier
21:50.45Spuwas*
21:51.21SpuSkeletal Alpha Rexes have demonic glowing eyes
21:53.39SpuI spawned an Ascendant Quality Hachet, didn't even scratch the bastard so I had to spawn an Ascendant Quality Assault Rifle and unload like 6 mags into it
21:57.08SpuA level 1 Alpha Rex has 12,000 health
21:57.13SpuThis one was level 50
21:58.59MonetSpu: It's like somethign out of a film trailer.
21:59.07SpuSounds about right
21:59.23SpuEither way if I didn't admin-mode that thing it would have destroyed the house and everything else
22:00.28HachimanImperios: I figured something looked familiar in that pic
22:00.34MonetHory shit.
22:00.39HachimanFitting that it's Berlin
22:00.43MonetAl hail Deus Rex.
22:01.39SpuWe need to find a Giganotosaurus and tame one
22:02.04SpuBut apparently even when tamed they're aggressive
22:02.20SpuLevel 1 health - 115,000
22:02.20Spuwat
22:03.02MonetThey can be, from what I've heard.
22:03.11MonetThe main problem though is that they're basically berserkers.
22:03.37SpuGet one and call it Angazhar
22:03.53MonetYes. YES!
22:03.53MonetLet's do that.
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22:04.30SpuProblem is the taming side of it
22:04.35dromHello
22:04.45Wormy_hi
22:04.46SpuConsidering my level coming across a high-levelled Giga is possible
22:04.47SpuHi
22:05.15SpuTaming a level 75 Giga with its most preferred food still takes 3 hours
22:05.30SpuAnd 1000 narcotic
22:05.30MonetWhich if I recall can take hours to tame.
22:05.44MonetThat's a lot of drugs.
22:06.08SpuTo knock it out, it needs 63 shots with a tranq arrow and a crossbow
22:06.19SpuWith a normal bow, 110
22:06.36SpuOh wait hold on wrong page
22:06.40SpuCould be worse actually
22:06.49SpuYeah much much worse
22:06.54SpuI was looking at the wrong animal
22:06.58MonetWe could get lucky though
22:07.16Spu2826 narcotic, 2.5 hours and 346 shots
22:07.20MonetThose direwolves I tried taming were level 10-
22:07.49MonetTell you what, if we find one I'll let you admin mode it
22:07.54Spuright hur
22:08.05SpuGigas are boss creatures in themselves
22:08.16SpuGod help us if they decide to bring in an Alpha Giga
22:08.58SpuAccording to this, a Giga is about the same size as a Bronto
22:09.35MonetTo the shoulder?
22:09.49SpuOverall
22:10.14MonetDayumn...
22:10.23MonetBig dino.
22:11.04MonetOkay.
22:11.15MonetWe tame one. Then keep it somewhere safe as a boast.
22:11.18SpuAnd apparently in it's rage mode, it's stronger than any other boss creature
22:11.22Spuits*
22:11.48MonetYes let's call it Angazhar.
22:12.02ImperiosSpu: Oky admittedly Berlin is not the only city with a huge gate
22:12.03MonetStock up on red and black dye.
22:12.40SpuAccording to this it's more common in the mountainous areas
22:12.49SpuAnd the Dead Island
22:13.00SpuTrust me you do not want to go to the Dead Island
22:13.06SpuRexes, Carnos and Raptors EVERYWHERE
22:15.33dromasdasfasfasda
22:15.45dromThis scripting is driving me MAD
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22:20.17MonetSpu: Fuck.
22:20.26SpuFuck indeed
22:20.37SpuI went on a little trip around there not too long ago
22:20.38SpuI ran
22:21.03MonetActualyl remember that other site I mentioned?
22:21.35MonetWell, one of the things I hear that is included in the "no spawn" area that surrounds player buildings includes animals.
22:22.05SpuI don't remember anything about another site
22:22.11HachimanSo Admiral Yi of South Korea is often regarded as one of the greatest naval commanders of history; he won 23/23 battles, including the one he died in, while Admiral Nelson, the other greatest naval commander in history, won 8/13 battles he was involved in
22:22.57Spuasians
22:23.10MonetYeah but Nelson fought Napoleon. That might be why he's more famosu in Europe.
22:23.23HachimanDunno whether this is down to Yi being a greater commander or Nelson having to fight a greater enemy
22:23.35MonetAnd also Korea kinda got bumrushed by Japan in the late 1800s.
22:23.53ImperiosBecause they industrialised earlier
22:24.12ImperiosWhich was mostly dumb luck on their part; Joseon was at the time already industrialising
22:24.22MonetSo England was able to more openly boast Nelson's heroism over the 19th and 20th centuries.
22:24.22ImperiosThey just did not make it
22:24.41HachimanAnd also because the Korean military was incompetent
22:25.21SpuThat's why grorious reader
22:25.43HachimanApparently there are more trees than there are bullets in North Korea
22:26.30SpuThere's more trees than there are people probably
22:26.46SpuWait
22:26.50SpuThat's a given
22:26.54SpuWithdraw that statement
22:27.46MonetI thought North Korea was rather deforested
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22:28.55HachimanAs far as I know, the Korean military was largely atrophied and under-developed in large part due to not having to fight anyone beyond the Jurchens
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22:31.29Wormy__hi
22:31.50OluapPlayerhi
22:32.13MonetIt says a lot about the state of the DPRK when it has one of the highest percentages of its GDP devoted to the military but military spending overall is comparable to or slightly less than South Korea's.
22:34.29MonetI do sort of wonder is there is a civil war going on in Korea. And the country has isolated itself so much that we just don't know about it.
22:34.43Monetin North Korea*
22:35.30HachimanHonestly, due to North Korea being under-resourced, a rebellion against the North Korean military regime will be about as effective as the North Korean military regime itself
22:37.06MonetSmuggling
22:37.35ImpyDroidWell technically what happens in Korea IS a civil war
22:37.36MonetThe DMZ may be one of the most highly-militarised borders in the word, what about the NK-Russian border?
22:37.42ImpyDroidTo Korean authorities at least
22:37.53SpuIs there an NK-Russian border?
22:37.57HachimanSouth Korea should just mobilize into North Korea with their own soldiers and military assets, train and supply civilians, bribe North Korean officials and generals, and laugh all the way to Pyongyang
22:38.00ImpyDroidYes
22:38.18SpuHoly shit so there is
22:38.35ImpyDroidHachiman: I doubt anyone actually wants to change the status quo
22:38.45HachimanThe North Korean people probably do
22:39.13MonetWell...
22:39.15ImpyDroidExcept that if they ever try to get to Seoul they will get hit by pretty much everyone
22:39.37ImpyDroidThat is like a country-wide Mexican standoff
22:39.54MonetThe cultural and technological difference between Seoul and Pyongyang means that South Korea looks like it was invaded and ocnquered by aliens.
22:40.11MonetTo the North Koreans.
22:40.59ImpyDroidThat is another reason reunification is a bad idea
22:41.29ImpyDroidToo many poor people to integrate and raise life quality for
22:41.36MonetSeou ls os advanced a city it's actually rather scary-looking.
22:41.50ImpyDroidIt'll be like with the EU and Middle Eastern immigrantd
22:42.36ImpyDroidExcept that the South Koreans would not be able to justify their dislike of the North with "They are different and do not belong here" hur
22:42.56Wormy__NK couldn't fuel or supply a long war effort for a start, but they could definitely cause damage to cities like Seoul with missiles
22:43.38HachimanPutin needs to turn on NK
22:44.04ImpyDroidYou mean annex it
22:44.09ImpyDroidGood idea
22:44.38Wormy__I think it is in the interests of both China and Russia for there not be active war...  They don't want millions of refugees flooding in
22:44.44MonetI can only see Americ agoing crazy over it.
22:45.04MonetRussia annexing NK would probably be comparable to the Vietnam war.
22:45.10MonetOr the Korean War.
22:45.43ImpyDroidTurning it into a sort of joint governed polity for a while before reunification is a good idra
22:45.46MonetOnly it odens't involve Communism.
22:45.55ImpyDroidRussia + China + US + SK
22:46.07ImpyDroidLike Germany
22:46.26HachimanSouth Korea is a capitalist country thus aligns with Putin's ideology, North Korea is a joke of a nation responsible for crimes against humanity with little technological advantage; if Putin threatens to nuke NK should they retaliate against a SK military occupation with missiles, is Kim-Jung Un really going to fuck with him?
22:47.04OluapPlayer>doubting the grorious reader
22:47.22ImpyDroidActually come to think about it Russian and South Korean economical systems are very similar
22:47.31Hachiman>challenging the God-Emperor of Russia
22:47.39SpuKim-Jong Un might lack experience but I don't think he's excessively dim-witted
22:47.44OluapPlayerKimmy sees himself as the God-Emprah
22:47.55OluapPlayerHe wouldn't be afraid of Pootis
22:48.26HachimanKim compared to Putin is about as dangerous and competent as Abaddon when comapred to the God-Emperor of Mankind; not much
22:48.32Hachimancompared even
22:48.48OluapPlayer>comparing the Warmaster of Chaos to a literal dead guy
22:48.50OluapPlayerjej
22:49.04MonetTo be fair for Abbadon, even though his crusades failed, they did cause a *lot* of damage to the Imperium
22:49.14HachimanThey really didn't
22:49.24HachimanHis Black Crusades cannot get past Cadia
22:49.28HachimanA SINGLE planet
22:49.32SpuOk I'm lost now
22:49.38OluapPlayerThe single most defended planet on tge galaxy
22:49.42ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: God-Tsar > God-Taewang
22:49.45MonetWait really?
22:49.45OluapPlayerWhich he DOES have a foothold of now
22:50.07MonetBut...But Cadia's the closest Imperial planet to the mouth of Hell.
22:50.18HachimanCadians are badass; this is not news
22:50.29OluapPlayerGotta get past Cadia to get to the rest of the Imperium
22:50.45ImpyDroidDidn't he occupy Cadia from time to time
22:50.57MonetI thought I read that slaves have been taken.
22:50.59HachimanOccupied; never conquered
22:50.59OluapPlayerHe's occupying Cadia as of the latest Crusade
22:51.22SpuYep definitely lost
22:51.29OluapPlayerWarhammer things
22:52.01HachimanThe standard uniform of the Imperial Guard when they do not have their own exclusive uniforms is based on that of the Cadian Regiments because Cadia is that badass
22:52.08OluapPlayerAbaddon is the Chaos faction's equivalent of big bad evil dude, he's a meme because he lost 13 wars focused on the same planet
22:52.27SpuBut why
22:52.47HachimanTo be fair, it was never his intention to conquer Cadia
22:52.54OluapPlayerBecause if he takes over that planet, humanity is fucked in every position available and unavailable
22:53.00HachimanAt least not until the 13th Black Crusade as far as I recall
22:53.09HachimanBut even if he did intend to actually conquer Cadia, he could not
22:53.32MonetWell to a degree he doesn't have to control Cadia.
22:53.45MonetJust the space above it.
22:54.23OluapPlayerAnywho even a literal child is better than the Emperor, at least the child is still alive
22:54.24HachimanGood luck doing that with the Cadian Pylons
22:54.26OluapPlayer#chaospropaganda
22:54.41MonetPylons?
22:54.47Hachimanhttp://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cadian_Pylon
22:55.29OluapPlayerChaos-B-Gone Sticks
22:56.09HachimanNote that even when confined to the Golden Throne, the Emperor empowers the Astronomicon and consistently defends Terra from Warp Storms and Chaos incursions single-handedly without having to lift a finger
22:56.20dromAOE2 is now 80% off!
22:56.27dromtime to kiss my wallet good bye
22:57.18OluapPlayerdats just imperial propaganda
22:57.21OluapPlayerdude's ded yo
22:57.30HachimanIf you want a taste of irony, consider Roboute Guilliman
22:57.47HachimanHe is confined to a throne of life-preservation as the Emperor is yet he is actually a practical corpse
22:58.39HachimanAnd rather than being almost literally torn apart by a Daemon Primarch, Guilliman is in life-preserving stasis from being infected with Dark Eldar toxins
22:59.04MonetGirlyman got off easily.
22:59.16HachimanRather he died like a pussy
23:00.10HachimanI am also inclined to believe that the idea of him actually gradually recovering from his injuries while in stasis is Imperial propaganda
23:00.18HachimanBecause fuck the Ultramarines
23:00.54MonetLol
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23:02.19HachimanBut anywho
23:02.56HachimanI doubt NK is going to retaliate against Russia or SK should Putin annex the former and found an alliance with the latter
23:03.26HachimanIt makes far more sense for Russia to align with SK than NK in the modern day
23:06.36SpuOh shit I forgot I had a new album
23:06.41SpuBetter listen to it
23:08.36Monetthe EU might get a little ross.
23:08.52HachimanMost of the EU condemns NK anyway though
23:09.03MonetBut at present I'm leaning towards being EU-out.
23:09.08Wormy__http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/north-korea-us-experts-say-no-evidence-suggest-fourth-nuclear-test-1527636
23:09.29Wormy__Oh
23:09.36Wormy__Missed the "no"
23:10.53OluapPlayer_Everyone condemns North Korea, but no one wants a horde of poor immigrants fleeing the country to live elsewhere
23:11.06OluapPlayer_It'd take more than simply destroying NK to save the NK people
23:11.28MonetLAtely the EU seems to frown on any sort of military action.
23:11.34HachimanThe UK has to deal with it, the other countries can as well
23:11.45SpuInvading NK could cause a serious problem though
23:11.56SpuThough I dunno China and Russia's stance on them
23:12.14MonetI hear China's getting tired of NK's shit.
23:12.19HachimanI believe China and Russia do not value NK as much as they used to
23:12.35OluapPlayer_China would be the most affected country in the "immigrant horde" problem
23:12.51OpelSpeedsterHachiman: China only keeps NK around because, like stated, they don't want immigrants flooding in.
23:13.06OluapPlayer_They already have to deal with 1/6 of the entire world's population, I doubt they'd want a bunch of war refugees
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23:13.20OpelSpeedsterBut insatisfaction with the China-NK cooperation is growing in China. They are thinking it is not worth the effort to keep such a crazy nation around.
23:13.25SpuWell since China has ended their one child policy, their population will likely rise faster
23:13.31OpelSpeedster^
23:13.44Wormy__hi
23:14.03drom<PROTECTED>
23:14.08OpelSpeedsterChina has said that they will only defend North Korea if it is attacked first. If NK is the one who starts a war/battle, then China will do nothing to defend them.
23:14.12OpelSpeedsterHello, Liquid
23:14.17SpuGoogle is evil though
23:14.18SpuI mean
23:14.19Wormy__They are saying the two-child policy may not be enough
23:14.26SpuI can't hire assassins over the internet
23:14.28drom<PROTECTED>
23:14.35Wormy__Google is the Borg
23:14.42HachimanSpu: You can in the right places
23:14.50SpuI ain't going there hur
23:14.58OpelSpeedsterGoogle+ Annexation of Youtube, nevur forget
23:15.19OpelSpeedsterThough most people don't seem to care about it anymore
23:15.50OluapPlayer_It's not like anyone can do anything about it
23:16.05OpelSpeedsterYeah, mostly due to that
23:16.24HachimanYou know, I may as well buy a property in Thailand as soon as I can assure that the amount I save will make me an actual millionaire when converted from Pound Sterling into Thai Baht
23:16.46dromYes, Google can be a pain in the arse
23:17.16Wormy__Google aren't as evil as Facebook or Microsoft imo
23:17.19OluapPlayer_Why Thailand of all places?
23:17.24Hachiman£1 is equivalent to ฿53.93
23:17.34OpelSpeedsterHoly shit
23:17.49OpelSpeedsterInflation, or just a bad economy?
23:17.54HachimanNot entirely sure
23:18.06dromdon't forget Zimbabze
23:18.07SpuHachiman: From this though, high-end penthouses are 200,000 baht a month
23:18.15dromzimbabwe even
23:18.16OpelSpeedsterHeh, and I was thinking the 1US$ = 4R$ was awful
23:18.45SpuWhich is about £4000
23:18.56dromNever forget: http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=GBP&To=ZWD
23:18.58Hachiman£3708.317 a month
23:19.00HachimanWell fuck
23:19.14drom£1 = 544.750 ZWD
23:19.19SpuWell it's nothing like London I guess
23:19.31MonetOpelSpeedster: There was an article by the BBC a few days ago that looked at what Android apps are transmitting.
23:19.43SpuOne in Mayfair - £15.5 million
23:19.46HachimanYes but you do not *live* in Zimbabwe because you will most likely get murdered in the streets or something
23:19.56MonetTurns out Android is pretty liberal about apps that share user information with third parties.
23:20.07OpelSpeedsterUh oh.
23:20.28SpuA friend of mine went to South Africa, saw two random dead bodies on the road
23:20.32SpuLike you do there
23:20.46HachimanAlthough I do not know if the situation is any better in Thailand
23:20.57HachimanI do not hear bad things about it other than the prominence of lady-boys
23:20.57drom<PROTECTED>
23:21.03drom<PROTECTED>
23:21.38OpelSpeedsterStupid surveillance programs.
23:22.02Spuhttps://www.facebook.com/sickchirpse/videos/1094535960559664/
23:22.20Wormy__<PROTECTED>
23:22.22TechnobliteratorThe claims that Google are evil continue to astonish me to this day
23:22.47SpuBut
23:22.51SpuNo assassins
23:22.56Wormy__<PROTECTED>
23:22.57HachimanDeep Web
23:23.03Technobliteratorthey provide free services, have monopolies over them, and still continue to provide major improvements to them, unlike some company I know who monopolises their services...
23:23.11TechnobliteratorI think the only shitty thing about Google is tax avoidance
23:23.11SpuToo lazy to deep it
23:23.14Technobliteratorthat annoys me a lot
23:23.17OpelSpeedsterTechnobliterator: Which company would that be?
23:23.27drom<PROTECTED>
23:23.37TechnobliteratorHave a guess, you may or may not be using a product made by them right now
23:23.45Hachiman"There is a whole species of pterosaur named after the Pokemon Aerodactyl, named "Aerodactylus Scolopaciceps"."
23:23.48MonetI think what escapes people is that selling customer data gathered form their search engine is Google's primary business model.
23:24.01SpuHewlett-Packard
23:24.04SpuOkay they might be evil
23:24.05SpuNot too sure
23:24.07TechnobliteratorYeah, and no human ever reads your data
23:24.21OpelSpeedsterTechnobliterator: EA? Microsoft?
23:24.22OpelSpeedsterI don't know
23:24.27TechnobliteratorThe latter
23:24.29OpelSpeedsterAh
23:24.38Technobliteratorthey never update their products significantly
23:24.39Technobliteratorever
23:24.48Technobliteratorsee: Internet Explorer, Microsoft Office, Windows
23:24.53MonetTechnobliterator: Not i nthe same way that surveillence agencies do.
23:25.11dromI dislike Samsung, crap services and crap products
23:25.15Wormy__Jo:  Bing tried to add itself as an extension to Chrome the other day.  I was like "fuck off"
23:25.16OpelSpeedsterThis reminds me, I wonder what people think about this Microsoft Ege
23:25.20HachimanI had considered browsing into the Deep Web when I was younger and less smart
23:25.22Technobliteratorhahaha
23:25.24OpelSpeedsterEdge*
23:25.41Wormy__Haven't encountered Edge yet.
23:25.41HachimanI never did it because I was too cowardly and was unsure how to do it but I am glad I never tried it
23:25.47TechnobliteratorI haven't tried Edge, but reviewers don't seem keen on it
23:25.48OpelSpeedsterThe opinion is probably "Just an IE clone with another name and a fancy appearance"
23:25.53dromNeither have I encountered Edge
23:26.09dromOh, that's WIN10's browser?
23:26.12OpelSpeedsterYes
23:26.12Wormy__Hachiman:  There are plucky Youtubers who can do it for us.
23:26.15OpelSpeedsterWindows 10 exclusive
23:26.15OluapPlayer_I see edge every time I read the wiki
23:26.17MonetGoogle compiles peoples browsing histories, locations, search preferences and packeges them up to sell to comapnies that have the most interest in those packages.
23:26.19dromKnew it hahah
23:26.22OluapPlayer_bunch of edgy shi in here
23:26.24TechnobliteratorI haven't tried Windows 10 either
23:26.33OpelSpeedsterOluapPlayer_: I liked that pun.
23:26.36TechnobliteratorI have heard even less good about that
23:27.00OpelSpeedsterReally? I saw plenty of people who looked positively at it.
23:27.01TechnobliteratorI am not unbiased, though
23:27.15OpelSpeedsterThe only criticisms were that it is uncompatible with plenty of older things.
23:27.17Hachiman>I am not unbiased   >Technobliterator    Pick one
23:27.23OpelSpeedsterWhich is why I'm reluctant to upgrade.
23:27.23HachimanActually wait
23:27.28Technobliterator._.
23:27.31HachimanYes you are biased hur
23:27.36MonetGoogle has access to every data analyst's wet dream: a reference pool of hundreds of millions of people.
23:27.37OpelSpeedsterhaha
23:27.48TechnobliteratorFacebook is the same
23:27.58Wormy__I think Facebook is worse
23:28.02Technobliteratorway worse
23:28.13OluapPlayer_I'm free from Facebook since I don't have any reason to be part of it
23:28.22OluapPlayer_Advantages of being a loner with no friends
23:28.35SpuTo be honest having no friends is archetypal of adulthood
23:28.36HachimanNow that's what I call edgy
23:28.46SpuYou're suited for the part
23:28.58Wormy__<PROTECTED>
23:28.59OluapPlayer_You mean the complete opposite of that
23:29.08dromGoogle had its moments, but I don't think that Google is bad or evil. I think Microsoft, Facebook and Apple are downright evil.
23:29.16SpuEh not really
23:29.28TechnobliteratorI don't think Apple are evil, they just overprice stuff
23:29.29SpuIf you're working 9 to 5 then there's not much opening to socialise
23:29.40MonetI wouldn't call Apple evil. Morally bankrupt and deperate, probably.
23:29.41Wormy__Funny because Bill Gates is a pretty sound guy
23:29.54SpuMicrosoft is just hit and miss nowadays
23:29.56HachimanYou should consider taking up drinking or buying and selling illegal substances, you are sure to make friends that way
23:29.57TechnobliteratorBill Gates is fine
23:30.08Technobliteratorno, Microsoft is just pure miss
23:30.26SpuI think Apple is vastly overrated
23:30.29dromIs Bill Gates still a CEO/leader of Microsoft. All I know that he is still the owner.
23:30.31SpuGood products nonetheless
23:30.35TechnobliteratorChairman
23:30.37dromAh
23:30.40OpelSpeedsterdrom: Meh, they're just companies. They're not exactly good or evil, just interested only in their own benefits, to which they may do morally questionable acts. But they do it just to further their own acts, and not for the sake of being evil.
23:30.41Technobliteratorwith huge stakes in the company
23:30.46MonetIf there was an evil company out there...I'd say it was possiblt Comcast.
23:30.47SpuJust that they mask innovation by updating the same thing over and over
23:30.52SpuOr EA
23:30.53SpuEA is evil
23:30.55HachimanDisney
23:30.59HachimanDisney is evil
23:31.01OpelSpeedsterOh yeah, EA is evil
23:31.04TechnobliteratorMicrosoft do it because they're a public company that have to satisfy shareholders
23:31.06dromApple likes to copyright everything as well
23:31.20MonetThat or Comcast is so inept that it's harmful.
23:31.26Hachimankek
23:31.39dromMay Apple isn't evil, but morally speaking, it is evil to me
23:31.42SpuRegardless if I had a position in EA and earned a more-than-decent salary I wouldn't call it evil
23:31.45TechnobliteratorUbisoft are worse than EA nowadays
23:31.55SpuMoral compass always points east
23:32.24Wormy__Macs have really clunky controls imo
23:32.26dromBut yes, EA and Disney are evil
23:32.29Technobliteratorwat
23:32.31Technobliteratormacs are easy to use
23:32.34dromNo
23:32.36Wormy__I still don't know how rename the effing folders
23:32.41MonetNah Ubi are just insanely paranoid and obsessed with DLC and.
23:32.42SpuMacs I find more intuitive than Windows nowadays
23:32.48dromI don't like the Macs
23:32.51TechnobliteratorYou just hold done the right click on the rename
23:33.04SpuThough for games I'd pick Windows over Macs
23:33.17dromYou've to buy different gadgets in order expand their functalities
23:33.19MonetI've been playing Anno and the amazing thing is...
23:33.21MonetIt doesn't suck.
23:33.26dromheh
23:33.31SpuI'm tempted to get a Mac purely for doing audio stuff but I dunno about the stuff I've already got
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23:33.43Wormy__Have a Mac, install Ubuntu
23:33.45SpuMainly because Macs are that simple to use it's just easier
23:33.47Wormy__Problem solved
23:33.48Technobliterator^
23:34.03TechnobliteratorIf you want games, have a Mac, boot camp with Windows
23:34.15SpuParallels Desktop
23:34.17SpuI do not trust that
23:34.19SpuFor a second
23:34.19dromOr you can use the Bootcamp to install and run Windows on Macs if you prefer that over Linux
23:34.37Technobliteratorbut I personally wouldn't even bootcamp
23:34.38dromLike what I am doing now
23:34.38SpuParallels is the source of at least 25% of my problems at work
23:34.45Technobliteratorand just buy all games on console instead of playing on PC
23:34.46MonetI like how customiseable PC hardware is.
23:34.58dromconsoles are ech
23:34.59OluapPlayerdisgustin
23:35.03OpelSpeedsterTechnobliterator: You would irritate the PC Master Race members by saying that
23:35.04Technobliteratoror wait and see how Steamboxes do
23:35.07dromWhy even bother
23:35.13OluapPlayer>Master Race
23:35.16OluapPlayerdisgustin²
23:35.21SpuWhere I work on the design end I use a Mac and therefore design is easier, Windows I use for the more systematic stuff and I feel it's just inferior
23:35.27TechnobliteratorOpelSpeedster, pfft, I think I've established that I really don't care what people think of the stuff I say :P
23:35.33dromSteamboxes are essentially composte PCs with Linux installed
23:35.36OpelSpeedsterTrue... hur
23:35.53OpelSpeedsterI'm mostly indifferent about the PC-Console war too
23:35.55SpuIf you're using stuff like Adobe I'd certainly go with a Mac
23:36.04dromOh, you can even opt for the Windows 7 system instead
23:36.07OluapPlayerConsole wars are one of the worst things in the industry
23:36.14Wormy__I find Adobe even worse on a Mac
23:36.16HachimanPeople also do not really care about what you have to say because you belong in the kitchen and not in men's debates and conversations
23:36.16dromOujya
23:36.19HachimanNow where is my sandwich
23:36.23TechnobliteratorConsole fanboys are one of the worse things in the industry
23:36.24dromJust got reminded about that
23:36.30dromLike you, Techno
23:36.32OluapPlayerAnyone who unironically calls themselves "pc master race" doesn't care nor play PC games
23:36.33TechnobliteratorConsole wars are not a bad thing
23:36.34SpuThe main issue of Macs are their OS updates
23:36.51SpuFucks up the servers every time
23:36.53Technobliteratorbecause they lead to competition in the market
23:36.58Technobliteratorwhich gives everyone better exclusives
23:37.02Technobliteratorand better consoles
23:37.06SpuMy computer is the most advanced computer in the company -> incompatible with everything in the company
23:37.08OluapPlayerExclusives are LITERALLY THE DEVIL
23:37.19dromOne thing I don't like about Windows is their exclusivity
23:37.24MonetMy main concern with the console wars is when the war includes PC.
23:37.26dromSame applies for Macs
23:37.29HachimanI did not go pro-GamerGate to allow a woman to provide insight into men's gaming industry
23:37.37OluapPlayerHachiman: enjoy ur ban
23:37.42TechnobliteratorGamerGate
23:37.43Technobliteratordisgustin
23:37.45OpelSpeedstermuh soggy knees
23:37.47HachimanAlso
23:37.52Wormy__Hachiman:  So, do you study animation?  You talk about it sometimes
23:37.53HachimanZoe Quinn is getting a Hollywoodfeature
23:38.04TechnobliteratorIs she? .___>
23:38.07Technobliterator.______.
23:38.08HachimanApparently
23:38.09OpelSpeedsterWhat.
23:38.11Technobliterator._____________.
23:38.15Technobliterator.___________________________________.
23:38.24OpelSpeedster...I think Techno just broke.
23:38.25dromGamerGate was all one stupid thing spawned by a man who couldn't accept that his dick was too small
23:38.27HachimanShe probably fucked her way into it like she fucked her way into everything else
23:38.47OluapPlayer"The Dyke Who Shouted "RAPE""
23:38.52Hachimanolol
23:38.58HachimanZoe Quinn is about as awful as Anita Sarkeesian
23:39.04SpuWhat exactly is GamerGate because I've never really heard of it
23:39.07TechnobliteratorNo, I'd say she's the same level
23:39.16OpelSpeedsterSpu: A battle concerning ethics in the gaming industry
23:39.23OpelSpeedsterAnd also feminazis who support corrupts
23:39.25Spuerrr
23:39.29OluapPlayerIn short, gaming journalism is one of the most corrupt things ever
23:39.29MonetThey made films on One Direction, Katy Perry and Mark Zuckerberg. No surprise to me they'd make a film out of her story.
23:39.38dromSpu: An organisation against female gamers, jouralists and developers in the gaming industry.
23:39.38HachimanWormy__: Yes I do, amongst other things such as advertisements, games, conceptual and graphic design, etc
23:39.43TechnobliteratorSpu, basically a group of people who want to kick women out of gaming because of one scandal
23:39.52SpuWhat scandal was that exactly
23:39.53dromSpawned by a man who was dumped by Zoe Quinn
23:39.54OpelSpeedsterErrr......
23:39.55Technobliteratorwhere a game developer was in a relationship with a games jounralist
23:40.04Technobliteratorso he gave the game a biased review
23:40.10Wormy__Hachiman:  I ask because I wonder if you have used 3D modelling programs like Maya, Zbrush, or Blener etc.
23:40.13SpuI don't exactly know how gaming journalism can exist
23:40.19Technobliteratorand since then it was all "oh nooooooo women ruin the industry"
23:40.22MonetIGN's been like that for years though.
23:40.22Technobliteratoruh
23:40.23OluapPlayerYou're stupid then
23:40.25Technobliteratorstuff like IGN
23:40.36HachimanI use Cinema 4D and Maya
23:40.37Technobliteratorthose are games journalists
23:40.43dromSince he couldn't accept that and was jealous af about Zoe's social live so he posted a long-winded rant about her across many social sites
23:40.43OluapPlayer"Fallout 4 comes out this week!" counts as game journalism
23:40.47OluapPlayerJournalism about games
23:40.49dromlife*
23:40.49Wormy__You can get a free 3 year Autodesk license as a student.
23:40.51SpuOh right
23:40.54Wormy__Oh right
23:40.55OpelSpeedsterTechnobliterator: Are you sure? I'm mostly neutral about GG, but I know some people who support it, and they say this "GG wants to kick women out of gaming" is a misconception
23:41.00SpuI was probably thinking of something a little more niche than that
23:41.03HachimanI find 3D modelling to be fickle and fiddly and I do not like it much hur
23:41.06SpuBut still it's a bit odd if you ask me
23:41.14TechnobliteratorI'm going to wait until Christmas for Fallout 4
23:41.19Wormy__Hachi:  What is Cinema 4D like in comparison?
23:41.23Technobliteratorhopes Bethesda fixes all the fucking bugs by then
23:41.29OpelSpeedster>Bethesda
23:41.31OpelSpeedster>Fixing bugs
23:41.38OluapPlayerToppest of lels
23:41.43SpuBethesda bugs is what makes Bethesda Bethesda
23:41.49Technobliteratorthe game breaking ones anyway
23:41.52HachimanWormy__: Cannot really offer a comparison, it's easier to use than Maya regarding constructing props rather than characters
23:41.58OluapPlayerhttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate if you want to learn about GG then just read this
23:42.03OpelSpeedster^^^
23:42.05Wormy__I generally use the simulation / dynamics tools in Maya more than anything else, year modelling isn't my specialty in it
23:42.08OluapPlayerThere's too much detail and it'd fill in the chat
23:42.11OpelSpeedsterI didn't know you used KYM, Oluap
23:42.14Technobliteratorthey're cancer basically
23:42.20HachimanAlso I thought "GG" was GameGrumps for a moment before I realised that we were talking about GamerGate again
23:42.21Wormy__*yeah
23:42.23dromwelp, i cannot catch up what you are saying anymore
23:42.50OluapPlayerI visit it to browse funny pictures
23:42.54Technobliteratorthis year was pretty crap for gaming
23:43.02MonetIn regards to Maya, I'm more accustomed to it for modelling and animation.
23:43.07Technobliteratorall the good games come out in 2016
23:43.17dromI like to think that this year was good for the indie gaming
23:43.23Technobliteratorthat year will be the best in forever
23:43.25Wormy__I heard that GamerGate was started as a smear campaign with popular gaming blogs and news sites coming out with crap like "Gamers are dead" and other inflammatory content
23:43.33MonetFO4, Witcher 3, MSGV
23:43.35OpelSpeedsterWormy__: Pretty much
23:43.40Hachiman>MGSV    >Good game
23:43.46OpelSpeedster*cough* Gammasutra *cough*
23:43.46Technobliteratorthree games compared to seven games next year
23:43.50Technobliteratorand yes, MGSV is good
23:43.53OluapPlayerDon't shitpost pls
23:43.59HachimanMGSV is fucking horrendous regarding how it was handled
23:44.07Sputl;dr people r dum
23:44.08TechnobliteratorThat's completely false
23:44.15HachimanExcept it's not
23:44.17Wormy__It irritates me that this fact is left forgotten when Gamer Gate is brought up in bigger media outlets
23:44.17TechnobliteratorMGSV is an amazing game
23:44.19HachimanHalf of MGSV is filler
23:44.22OpelSpeedsterSpu: That tl;dr applies to humanity as a whole
23:44.25dromWormy__: Yes, but keep also in mind that it was spawned by a man who was dumped by Zoe Quinn. He eventually become enangered and was very jealous about her life, so he eventually posted a long-winded rant across many social networks.
23:44.28SpuGood point
23:44.29Technobliteratorwho cares about the lack of cutscenes
23:44.32HachimanChapter 2: Filler Boogaloo
23:44.47TechnobliteratorFiller? They're just hard mode missions ._.
23:44.49HachimanOh also enjoy having your actual ending to the game cut
23:44.50OluapPlayerDon't make bold claims until you play the game yourself
23:44.54Technobliterator^
23:45.25TechnobliteratorHonestly, with how many hours that are in the first chapter, the second chapter having optional hard mode missions is fine
23:45.29OluapPlayerI only care for two games right now. One of them is a port of an old game, the other has no western release confirmed and may not have one at all
23:45.36Technobliteratorthere is so much content in the game it's absurd
23:45.37SpuCubase Elements is £73
23:45.37SpuNot bad
23:45.40OluapPlayerCoincidentally, both are Capcom games
23:45.47TechnobliteratorMGSV is the best game of the year
23:45.48MonetI will agree that we have had total train wrecks like Arkham Knight
23:45.57TechnobliteratorArkham Knight is not a trainwreck either
23:45.58Technobliterator: |
23:46.02Wormy__<PROTECTED>
23:46.05Technobliteratorunless you mean PC version
23:46.06MonetBut we also got Cities Skylines.
23:46.06SpuI've never been a fan of the Arkham games
23:46.07HachimanWas for Steam release
23:46.08Technobliteratorin which case yes
23:46.16HachimanI honestly cannot call MGSV a truly great game
23:46.23TechnobliteratorYeah, but you've never played it
23:46.26HachimanNot with how Konami handled it
23:46.28Technobliteratorso obviously you can't call it that
23:46.29OluapPlayerYou can't judge the game until you play it
23:46.36dromWormy__: probably, althrough it saw the biggest support and growth in 8chan
23:46.38TechnobliteratorThe gameplay is amazinh
23:46.41Wormy__Even though such tropes are arguably harmful to women
23:46.47Technobliteratorit's the best in the series by far
23:46.50Spu£220 for Cubase Artist and £404 for Cubase Pro
23:46.51Wormy__Damsel in distress that is
23:46.55TechnobliteratorMGS3 only wins because it has a better story
23:47.01SpuEhhh I'll just stick with Elements thanks
23:47.07Technobliteratorand SNAKE EATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
23:47.08HachimanMGS3 wins because it actually has an ending to its story
23:47.26dromSpu: Abode Elements?
23:47.30dromAdobe even
23:47.31TechnobliteratorMGSV had an ending to its story
23:47.39SpuCubase hur
23:47.41Technobliteratorthere's a difference between not tying up every loose end and not having an ending
23:47.41HachimanThe actual ending to MGSV was cut
23:47.42OluapPlayerYou disliking the ending =/= the game not having an ending
23:47.44SpuDAWs and stuff
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23:47.50TechnobliteratorThe ending is fine
23:47.57Technobliteratorbecause you know exactly what's going to happen next
23:48.21MonetI have seen debate over when a game can be considered "finished"
23:48.22Technobliteratorit just decided to be subtle about it
23:48.29TechnobliteratorAnyway, other than that
23:48.54TechnobliteratorI'm sure the Witcher 3 is a great game, but I don't really care for it
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23:49.09SpuI'm becoming a little sceptical of No Man's Sky
23:49.14OluapPlayerMy GOTY is none of those
23:49.16TechnobliteratorFallout 4 isn't out yet, that might be awesome
23:49.17HachimanThe fact Konami can release an incomplete game and get praise for it while Indie developers get shat on for it is disgusting
23:49.26dromMy only GOTY is Undertale
23:49.27OluapPlayertis Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
23:49.34SpuI'm almost certain Fallout 4 will be great
23:49.38TechnobliteratorThere's more than enough content in MGSV for it to be considered mostly complete
23:49.46MonetI had a Polish 3rd year on my course last year who loves the Witcher series.
23:49.47Technobliteratorthat's the difference
23:49.47SpuI don't know of a Bethesda game that isn't good
23:49.55HachimanSpu: Skyrim
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23:50.03dromI mean, like never ever have I gotten a strong addiction to a short game like Undertale
23:50.06SpuSkyrim is the least good game but it's still good
23:50.11TechnobliteratorI want to get Undertale
23:50.17OluapPlayerYou should
23:50.17HachimanFallout: New Vegas then
23:50.19OluapPlayerIt's a fantastic game
23:50.22dromYeah, get it
23:50.24dromDO IT
23:50.28TechnobliteratorIs it on Linux?
23:50.33SpuOh okay New Vegas is the least good game then
23:50.35dromlooks up
23:50.38OluapPlayerThat I don't know
23:50.49HachimanThis is what you get for being a Linux elitist
23:50.51HachimanNo games kek
23:51.00dromTechno: Nope
23:51.01MonetOwned
23:51.06dromOnly Windows and Mac
23:51.07SpuNew Vegas I still don't quite understand what's going on
23:51.11Wormy__I have my concerns for No Man's Sky.  I love its concept, and some of the ideas going into it.  But haven't really shown us any gameplay - I don't really mind if it had none, but that will matter to most other gamers
23:51.12TechnobliteratorPlatforms: Microsoft Windows, Mac OS
23:51.14Technobliteratoroh ffs
23:51.18dromBecause it is created using GameMaker
23:51.19Technobliteratorgo fuck yourself devs
23:51.21HachimanAnyone who says that the Wii U has no games has not taken a look at Linux
23:51.24Technobliteratorif you can port it to OS
23:51.26SpuFor best game, Oblivion or Fallout 3
23:51.30Technobliteratoryou can port it to Linux
23:51.34TechnobliteratorTHEY USE THE SAME FUCKING KERNEL
23:51.37TechnobliteratorASDGTADFJKYAGDFYGTASHJGF:DSHLIFUKTCASKDLFIHGDKYUVJ CKL FBJ:>SDGYUJG
23:51.40MonetSpu: Shoot super-mutants and Roman wananbes in the nards. Game enough for me.
23:51.41dromTechnobliterator: no
23:51.44Technobliteratoreafgicxjfni buycj.fhdk[0'hl9og87dfxicbmd,ngfio;jslhyo8g7difhym ,yh.osodifu8g7oskyumdħfyvk0-9g 8ydoih7cbgfu,h.g0pdf'8;9t
23:51.47TechnobliteratorDFCVB#[fhtgfvsdyukjgfocijh8ir7ecyfu vgkhd09fcg87hobksd,.fokygphd09fuvy
23:51.54SpuOblivion might supersede Fallout 3 by a midge
23:51.54OluapPlayerstop
23:52.02TechnobliteratorThey're both Unix based
23:52.07dromThey come from the same family, but the std aren't the same
23:52.07Technobliteratorand they both work with OpenGL
23:52.14Technobliteratorso it's easy
23:52.26dromand Apple like to be exclusive, so they defined their own std methods
23:52.31dromthere is that
23:52.43Wormy__It also looks a bit unrealistic, despite the great stuff going into it - life on every planet?  Looks like it.  Is the procedural generation really very dynamic?  I dunno, in Space Engine, you have a chance of finding something once and never again, but NMS looks a bit samey
23:52.45Technobliteratoryou almost never find indie games that are not released on Linux these days
23:52.49Technobliteratorso this is surprising
23:52.49SpuOblivion and Fallout 3 are two of the few games I could say that are the best games out there
23:52.53dromAnd oh, did I mention that most of their operative systems are written in Objective-C?
23:52.54TechnobliteratorGuess I'll have to emulate it
23:53.00dromObjective-C =/= C
23:53.17SpuThen again my bias towards Soul Calibur II and III could fudge that
23:53.28SpuSoul Calibur II is possibly my favourite game of all time
23:53.33HachimanSCII was great
23:53.34TechnobliteratorMGS3 is mine :o
23:53.44OluapPlayernakid snek
23:53.51TechnobliteratorFFVI and FFXII are close to that title though
23:53.53Hachimansnek eetur
23:53.53Technobliteratorand Uncharted 2
23:53.57Technobliterator<3 Uncharted 2
23:53.57SpuSoul Calibur III very closely behind or even with SCII
23:54.08HachimanWasn't SCIII buggy as hell though
23:54.11SpuOh god
23:54.13SpuYes it was
23:54.24OluapPlayerSuper Mario World will forever be my #1
23:54.28SpuSCIII may have been buggy but the level of content it had was insane for an arcade fighter
23:54.31OluapPlayerIt's all nostalgia but damned if I care
23:54.34dromTechnobliterator: The game is created using GameMaker Studio, which can only compile to Windows, Mac OS, Android and Windows Phone
23:54.41SpuQuite literally 400 hours of gameplay to unlock everything
23:54.43HachimanFor me, Tekken 3 or Tekken 5:DR would be my favourite
23:54.44MonetI play so many games I don't know if I have a #1
23:54.51dromSo it is a oversight by the developers.
23:55.11Wormy__Hachiman, drom, OluapPlayer:  To dawww or not to daww?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZlKSBtu2g
23:55.13TechnobliteratorWe all know Super Mario Bros. 2 has the best ending to any videogame ever
23:55.13SpuSoul Calibur II was similar but the game depth was somewhat heavier and the atmosphere was very civilised for an arcade fighter
23:55.17Technobliteratorit was all a dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam
23:55.22Technobliterator10/10 ending right there
23:55.24SpuWeapon Master if anyone here remembers/knows of it
23:55.29MonetBut I'd possibly say GTA SA or V
23:55.34OluapPlayerIt's excusable since the game is still fun as hell
23:55.41Technobliteratoryeah
23:55.44OluapPlayerAlso      >story           >in a non-RPG Mario game
23:55.45Technobliteratorand no one plays Mario for story
23:55.52SpuWeapon Master is perhaps the best feature of any arcade fighting game ever
23:55.58HachimanAye
23:56.06TechnobliteratorRegrettably, I have never played a 3D Mario game, or a Zelda game
23:56.19TechnobliteratorI was going to get a 3DS, but now I'm thinking I should wait until the NX is out
23:56.23OluapPlayerSuper Mario Bros 2 was made back in the day videogame stories were restricted to their instruction manuals
23:56.40MonetI've never really been drawn to the legend of Zelda.
23:56.42Technobliteratoror at least until I know that it will be backwards compatible with 3DS games
23:56.46OluapPlayerMan I remember my Mario World manual. That was the most cherished book or book-like object I've ever owned
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23:56.50SpuTekken is also a great series
23:56.50HachimanTekken 3 and Tekken 5: DR were both *really* addictive for me
23:56.51TechnobliteratorKnowing Nintendo, probably will be
23:56.55MonetNever got Zelda's hype.
23:56.59SpuTekken 4 was the first PS2 game I ever played
23:57.15TechnobliteratorThe Zelda games were meant to be epic for their time, I wouldn't know since I've never played them
23:57.15SpuMainly because Yoshimitsu hype
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23:57.21OluapPlayerThe NX is not a handheld
23:57.22Hachimanhur
23:57.23drom_Fucking Windows
23:57.29drom_<drom> So it is a oversight by the developers.
23:57.30OluapPlayerYou won't be playing 3DS games in it
23:57.31drom_<drom> The developer even stated that they wished that they could port to Linux, but they'd have to rewrite the whole thing
23:57.33TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, the NX is meant to be both a handheld and a home console
23:57.37SpuTekken 5 and 6 are both great games as well from memory
23:57.41Spu5 is better than 6
23:57.48Spu6 is still good
23:57.59HachimanI hadn't played 6 but 6 does not noot much better than 5
23:58.00OluapPlayerI don't see that working
23:58.00TechnobliteratorIt's supposed to be able to replace both
23:58.02Hachiman*look
23:58.06HachimanFucking noot
23:58.07OluapPlayerThe two concepts are opposites
23:58.09SpuNOOT NOOT
23:58.10TechnobliteratorI think it'll work fine
23:58.18Monet" The Zelda games were meant to be epic for their time" I play so many Western RPGs that I guess this explains why I didn't fall int othe hype.
23:58.25TechnobliteratorIf you look at the Wii U tablet controller, I think that's what they're going for
23:58.33SpuTekken 6 is a great standalone game but yeah it's basically a more in-depth version of Tekken 5
23:58.36TechnobliteratorI play so many Japanese RPGs that I hate Western ones :P
23:58.39OluapPlayerLet's hope not then
23:58.44OluapPlayerBecause virtually everyone hates the Gamepad
23:58.46HachimanFucking weaboo
23:58.47TechnobliteratorI find Western RPGs incredibly bland
23:58.52MonetI was already getting my fix of an epic-scale adventure with stuff like San Andreas, Neverwinter Nights etc.
23:58.52SpuTekken 7 looks like it's going to be like 5/6
23:59.03SpuI'll still try and get my hands on Tekken 7 though
23:59.13HachimanTekken 7 has a neko grill so of course I am going to try and play it
23:59.17Spudur
23:59.28TechnobliteratorI find the worlds just very bog-standard traditional fantasy worlds, the characters uninteresting, and I hate the whole "make your own character" thing
23:59.31SpuThe main thing that's changed between 5 and 6 is Yoshimitsu's style
23:59.37OluapPlayerNintendo seriously needs to step up their game if they want to stand any chance against the PS4
23:59.38SpuHe went from advanced player to super-advanced player
23:59.49Technobliteratorso I couldn't get into any non-Mass Effect WRPG
23:59.59Hachiman>make your own character is exclusive to Western RPGs

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