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00:30.56Wormy_away_drom:  my dog keeps licking his bum dangerously close to my pillows
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00:35.36DrodoEmpireHi everyone
00:50.30dromWormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/DIxlPAM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/suokpCx.jpg
00:51.11dromThis guy cannot see objects, living things or whatever that isn't moving
00:53.41Wormy_away_Like a dog
00:55.54dromOne of the members of the family even said "If our families are merged into one... does that meant that I'm married to "my sister"? - Don't matter anyway... it is normal."
00:58.40dromSuggesting that incest is normal among dogs
00:59.22dromIt is pretty true, foxes usually relay on incest when there is no other family or lone potential partners
01:02.21dromWormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/DNSNToG.webm
01:03.15drombah
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01:20.05Quark8Hello.
01:21.32DrodoEmpireHello
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01:47.48TekPCAnyone seen this? https://imgur.com/gallery/a0WIB
01:48.14DrodoEmpireNope
01:48.19DrodoEmpireLooks interesting though
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11:18.57AdmiralPandahi all
11:20.16OluapPlayerHi
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12:07.01CyrannianHai
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12:17.16V-eriosHi
12:17.36AdmiralPandaI'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that's Imp?
12:24.28V-eriosDuh
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12:44.52AdmiralPandahi
12:45.02GhelaeHello.
13:16.06AdmiralPandaGhelae: you're still a largely emotionless, amoral AI aren't you?
13:21.58GhelaeYes.
13:23.39AdmiralPandacould I propose a situation to you, and ask what you would do if you were in a similar situation?
13:27.16GhelaeOkay.
13:32.40AdmiralPandaso, for context: you are a small but extremely wealthy multinational biotech company which holds the patent for the biofuel used in 90% of all engines and power plants ever, but now the companies to whom you've outsourced production are starting to become even richer and more influential than you
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13:34.25AdmiralPandaso, you need another breakthrough to put yourself back on top because being able to tell world superpowers what to do is nice- given that you have the single biggest biotech research staff in the world and morality just doesn't apply to you, what would you do?
13:34.53AdmiralPandaand to avoid subtlety being overlooked, feel free to jump straight to creating your own crisis for you to solve
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13:38.07GhelaeIf possible, and not too difficult to keep secret, engineering diseases that kill off the biofuels produced by your competitors might be something to look into.
13:38.32GhelaeThen you patent the genetic modifications that give crops resistance to said diseases (or pests. Could be pests) that you then grow into your own plants.
13:39.16GhelaeAlthough evidently patents weren't enough to keep the company on top in the first place.
13:40.13GhelaeHowever, you could knock your subcontractors down a peg or two by letting them lose a year's harvest.
13:41.25GhelaeNaturally that'll also increase the cost of fuel so that, when your disease/pest-resistant crops (best use a variety of diseases and pests just to be sure) are ready for harvest, there'll be even more money heading your way and none to the other companies.
13:42.18GhelaeThis, of course, requires you to have some significant production capacity of your own. If you've outsources all of it to other companies then you'd need to get yourself some land and farmers in preparation.
13:42.48AdmiralPandathat sounds like an excellent idea, thank you :) I'm working on setting up a Cyberpunk2020 game with my TTRPG group and it's always nice to have an evil corporate scheme in the background
13:43.23GhelaeYou're welcome; any time.
13:45.02AdmiralPandaso since Biotechnica (you in this example), the fuel producers and the farmers are three separate organisations in this instance, you could engineer a plague to attack the crops, then release your cure and blame it on the Japanese or something
13:45.09AdmiralPandaand that's not me being racist, their main competition is Japan
13:45.26GhelaeYes, that would work.
13:46.09GhelaeAs for the fact that you happen to have the cure, you can claim that's just one product of decades of research into engineering resistant crops to avoid it looking suspect. Even if that isn't true.
13:47.19AdmiralPandayou could even delay releasing the cure by an appropriate amount of time to drive up product value and say that you've frantically reassigned all staff onto the project and that's why the cure came out so quickly
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14:10.02GhelaeHello. And bye.
14:10.04Wormy_Fucking Bing adding itself as an extension to google chrome > nope
14:10.09Wormy_hi
14:14.43OluapPlayerEugh, Bing
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14:23.58Cyrannian~explode OluapPlayer
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14:24.29OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
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14:24.51CyrannianI forgot to greet you earlier by blowing you up, how rude
14:25.15OluapPlayerYou really let yourself go
14:27.25CyrannianI feel absolutely terrible, next time I'll make your death special
14:29.09OluapPlayerYou can compensate it by stopping being inactive
14:30.44CyrannianNot like I want to compare and contrast the Anglo Normans and the Gaelic Irish before next friday
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14:36.21Cyrannianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSiw5CE2TxM - No surprise that the one Halo character voiced by FemShep is the first  to get in on interspecies lurve
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14:44.08dromargh
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14:48.31dromwaaaaargh
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15:24.38JepardiHi
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15:30.07GhelaeHello.
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15:39.47dromTekDroid: If you are going to play some Victoria II, mind tell me me so I can also try it out with you?
15:40.11drom*glarged rambling*
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16:02.04CyrannianYey didn't realise the Spore servers came back up
16:02.50OluapPlayer_You're late by a few weeks
16:03.09CyrannianI haven't played Spore in a while
16:03.37OluapPlayer_shame on u waptor
16:04.26Cyrannianshup
16:09.16Cyrannianhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12191776_1045668298806796_8274740790070684352_n.jpg?oh=2de4de1c337baf7ee24385a02bd38e2a&oe=56BC98C9&__gda__=1454834740_75431100fed4c7f7fd13cf8672ab5ffb - That's an unfortunate cut-off point
16:11.29TekDroidhttps://m.imgur.com/gallery/a0WIB Had anyone seen this?
16:12.59GhelaeI've not seen it before, no.
16:13.07dromTekDroid: <drom> TekDroid: If you are going to play some Victoria II, mind tell me me so I can also try it out with you?
16:14.28Wormy_awayTek:  Yes
16:14.39Wormy_awayLooks like Cell Stage on steroids
16:15.01Wormy_away*sporoids
16:16.33dromNice
16:17.03dromhttps://imgur.com/gallery/s0hssjo
16:17.11GhelaeAnd lasers. Cell Stage on steroids with lasers.
16:20.21GhelaeI think "sporoids" just sounds like some disease.
16:20.34dromTechnobliterator: https://i.imgur.com/XPmwsoP.jpg
16:21.02dromhttps://i.imgur.com/1MFOIr6.jpg
16:21.26dromGhelae Wormy_away Cyrannian: https://i.imgur.com/wSeOfOn.jpg
16:26.58dromCyrannian Wormy_away Ghelae: https://i.imgur.com/dpY2jsR.jpg
16:27.24GhelaeThis is true. Also why you should aim to target orphans.
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16:33.27dromGhelae: https://i.imgur.com/0jtaxfW.gif
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16:33.44Tek0516drom: As in Multiplayer?
16:33.50dromya
16:34.43Tek0516I should warn it's rather unstable and requires outside software to actually connect.
16:37.46Tek0516Also that I am the definition of a micromanager with that game. :P
16:49.21dromTek0516: "Let's see, drom's got 20 soldiers... wait is he training another?! THIS MEANS WAR"
16:50.31Tek0516More like pausing every few days so I can buold
16:50.47Tek0516*build  an extensive railroad network in my colonies
16:50.55Tek0516:P
16:51.18dromhah
16:51.40dromAnd I'm pretty much a slow trutle player
16:51.51Tek0516Or manually readjusting all my factories because capitalist AI is dumb. :P
16:53.30Tek0516Drom: Basically in Victoria 2 Liberals are great, but Liberal policies are horrible. :P
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16:54.38dromThis neckbeard is itching badly
16:54.55dromThat's what I get for forgetting my shaver at home
16:55.29Tek0516A disproportionate number of Victoria 2 player nations are communist because we never trust the AI capitalists. :P
16:55.47dromWell. There are fixes for those?
16:55.48dromAs in mods
16:56.10Tek0516I don't know, but don't think so.
16:56.35Tek0516It's not game breaking or anything, it's just not smart sometimes. :P
17:01.21dromheh
17:05.05Tek0516Damn
17:05.07Tek0516Net split?
17:08.16dromI'm still alive
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18:07.12Wormy_Cyrannian:  I had a nightmare
18:07.58Wormy_I was watching Star Wars:  The Force Awakens, and suddenely Micky Mouse and other cartoon animals come out and start singing in the middle of the film.
18:09.59GhelaeIt was a precognitive dream. TFA is just going to be an enormous fan-trolling.
18:11.07OluapPlayer_olol
18:12.25Wormy_hur
18:14.39Wormy_Well, this is intriguing. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-future-space-travel-nasa-eagleworks-hints-breakthrough-interstellar-flight-1527184
18:15.21GhelaeThat thing again?
18:15.24Ghelaereads it
18:17.17Wormy_Its apparentely survived another round of testing, with new ways to control external noise.  We will still need to wait for their result to be published and tested by other groups, I guess, to reprouce the result or control external effects even more
18:17.34GhelaeIt'd be nice if it's true but there isn't really anything new.
18:18.26GhelaeI remember last time a control emdrive that wasn't supposed to work still showed the same sort of amount of thrust, and so using a control and finding that it doesn't do that would go a long way.
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18:22.29GhelaeIt'd be nice if it's true but there isn't really anything new.
18:22.30GhelaeI remember last time a control emdrive that wasn't supposed to work still showed the same sort of amount of thrust, and so using a control and finding that it doesn't do that would go a long way.
18:23.04Wormy_Ah, yes
18:23.30GhelaeIt looks like he thinks his device avoids violating conservation of momentum by associating the velocity of a charge in the Lorentz force equation with the group velocity of an electromagnetic wave.
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18:25.59Wormy_Can group velocities interact with matter like that?  I assume, because in the case of apparent FTL propagation, group velocities don;t actually transmit any information or energy
18:26.23Wormy_At least above c, so that might not count here
18:27.06GhelaeThe group velocity of a charged particle is essentially the velocity that you observe, but that's the charge and not the wave.
18:27.12Ghelaenot the EM wave*
18:27.31GhelaeBasically I'm looking at http://www.emdrive.com/IAC-08-C4-4-7.pdf and quite a bit looks dodgy.
18:28.42GhelaeIn section 4 he explicitly states "Note that to maintain the principle of the principle of the conservation of momentum, the acceleration of the waveguide due to thrust, is opposite to the actual thrust direction."
18:29.11GhelaeWhich to me sounds like he's saying "to maintain conservation of momentum, we have to say that half of the drive is moving in the opposite direction to the way that it's actually moving".
18:30.38GhelaeAnd then claims a velocity limit for the emdrive that seems to go completely against there being no such thing as an absolute reference frame. That is to say, it's based purely on the internal dynamics of the emdrive and not interactions with anything moving in the outside world.
18:30.49Ghelaee.g. like the speed of interstellar hydrogen limits the bussard ramjet.
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18:36.01Technobliteratoranyone know xbox controllers?
18:36.20Wormy_I must go again, bbl
18:36.32Technobliteratorwhat is the equivalent of L1 and L2?
18:37.06OluapPlayerBone1 and Bone2
18:37.17OluapPlayerI've never used an Xbox controller so I wouldn't know
18:38.23Technobliterator:C
18:38.35TechnobliteratorHachiman, Cyrannian, ^
18:38.59HachimanEh?
18:39.27TechnobliteratorXbox controllers
18:39.31HachimanOh
18:39.35Technobliteratorwhat's the equivalent of R1 and R2?
18:39.51Technobliteratoris trying to program a console button template
18:40.26HachimanLB is L1, LT is L2
18:40.45HachimanAnd same with RB and RT
18:40.47Technobliteratorahh
18:40.49Technobliteratorthanks ^.^
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18:50.29dromLB stands for Left Button, LT stands for Left Trigger. Explained for your convience.
18:50.43TechnobliteratorI thought it was left bumper
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18:54.22LuxorHello.
18:54.40LuxorI'm afraid we might need some kind of rework for "Humanity" page on wiki.
18:54.53LuxorFor example, present Earth map.
18:57.14Luxorhello?
18:57.16ImpyDroidDear Lord
18:57.48ImpyDroidMy entire district's Internet connection has been severed
18:57.51LuxorThat's not a valid answer
18:57.54ImpyDroidNow my PC does not work
18:58.10ImpyDroidPC's Internet that is
18:58.18ImpyDroidAs for the human  page
18:58.21ImpyDroidCertainly
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19:00.40Luxorhttp://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
19:00.46LuxorI think we should remember about that
19:01.03HachimanLuxor: Earth has been terraformed multiple times by the 2800s
19:01.07GD12Hello
19:01.11HachimanHai GD
19:01.24GD12ngh can't wanit for next sem
19:01.27GD12when i have no work to do
19:01.36GD12can finally continue/finish ficshun
19:02.08HachimanMost notably frozen by a civilisation of spacefaring neanderthals and I believe the transformation has since been reversed
19:04.29OluapPlayerGD returns from the grave
19:04.33OluapPlayerfor the gorillonth time
19:05.57LuxorAy.
19:06.08LuxorBut still we need some map.
19:06.28Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12195831_1044418668931759_6215849108397771503_n.jpg?oh=c21646e236f8021ca16f3184665e5dc2&oe=56B42C69 "Mr. Bump sounds much better in Norwegian"
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19:07.47OluapPlayermr twiddle diddle
19:19.47dromblargh
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20:20.37MonetHi
20:22.19HachimanHi
20:22.56dromHell
20:22.56dromo
20:23.19Monethttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/389920012473577907/0DF0809E6D55E1BF9B44D233989F67057F25B579/ so this is a high-level city form 2205.
20:23.35MonetAnd no this is not promo art. I took this ingame.
20:24.26dromThe low poly hovers already tell me that it an actual in-game shot
20:24.44Monetlol fair enough.
20:24.52MonetStil lthe rest of the city is gorgeous.
20:26.46MonetI'm going to make a test some time down the line. I've often found that when I reach really big metropolis sizes the streets tend to empty considerably.
20:27.47MonetThe most advanced building one can build requires 150,000 of the top-level citizens to unlock.
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20:28.33DrodoEmpireHey everyone
20:29.06Monet...here's the thing: In previous games a global population of 50,000 was a big achievement. Here I have yet to fill 1/4 of the map and already the population of my most densely-ppoulated region is about 60,000.
20:29.28MonetHi
20:30.19DrodoEmpireHuh cool
20:30.20DrodoEmpireHi
20:30.33MonetDrodoEmpire: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/389920012473577907/0DF0809E6D55E1BF9B44D233989F67057F25B579/
20:31.05DrodoEmpireIs that 2205??
20:31.07DrodoEmpire*?
20:31.07MonetThe scope of this latest game is incredible.
20:31.16MonetDrodoEMpire: Yes
20:31.18dromTechnobliterator TekDroid: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-2015/suggestions/6320959-remove-debugging
20:31.32DrodoEmpireThat looks *awesome*. XD
20:32.03MonetNext time I go on I might take some beauty shots.
20:32.37DrodoEmpireAlright cool
20:33.15MonetBTW I think I've found one possible justification for why the game's top-level citizens want anti-grav compensators despite being earthbound: The fourth tier level is "investor"
20:34.48DrodoEmpireOh?
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20:35.04GhelaeHello.
20:35.32MonetSo I think what is happening is because these people are corporate investors, they want something in resturn for providing the plaer's corporation with investment capital and a share in the business.
20:35.48DrodoEmpireOkay
20:36.06MonetThe four tier levels in the temperate zone are "worker" "operator" "executive" "investor.
20:36.59MonetAt the fourth level I think they stop being employees and start being chief officers themselves.
20:37.17DrodoEmpireRight
20:38.12MonetI'm just guessing.
20:39.40MonetBut because the player is a megacorp holder we could be talking player company shares worth tens of thousands of credits by the time they start getting this tier level.
20:40.10dromGhelae Monet Hachiman: Proper usage of PETA's stickers http://i.imgur.com/cNoKscP.jpg
20:40.55MonetNote that in order to get these people to establish themselves, the executives need augmentaions manufactured using rare-earth elements found and excavated on the Moon.
20:41.02Ghelaedrom: I don't think those two sentences are connected. :P
20:43.12dromGhelae: For PETA, it does.
20:43.31Monet"fur is murder" and all that jazz.
20:47.06GhelaeI know how PETA feels about it.
20:47.39GhelaeBut sticking them on a cat just makes them seem utterly unrelated to me.
20:49.19MonetYou might be overthinking the joke.
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20:56.16Monet_2Also these investors ask for quantum computers.
20:57.35Monet_2My guess is the reason is 50% use in business or security, 50% "look at my l33t haXX0r computer"
20:57.45DrodoEmpirehur
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20:59.59Monet_2Quantum computers are build using resources in the arctic - hydrogen, methane and advanced materials for use by the "scientist" social class.
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21:00.27dromMonet_2: http://i.imgur.com/MabJXjJ.webm
21:00.30Monet_2Although how useful would quantum computers be to managing a space programme?
21:01.02Monet_2Must be useful for orbital transfer.
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21:06.02ImperiosHi
21:06.04Monet_2Hi
21:07.19ImperiosHachiman: Remember the Rocket Dog video?
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21:07.53HachimanKOMRAD LAIKA ROCKET DOG
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21:08.31ImperiosI just realised
21:08.48dromGhelae TekDroid_ Imperios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3xuvPPBPM4
21:08.59Imperioshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Dogs  There's a full feature version of this apparently
21:09.03Monet_2Imperios: You made me curious.
21:09.25OluapPlayerHi Imp
21:13.38Ghelaedrom: Nut, crusts, salt, squid, gorgonzola. What's not to love about that?
21:16.48GhelaeSteak cookies are something somebody should try.
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21:18.36GhelaeI wouldn't eat them.
21:18.41GhelaeBut somebody should definitely make them.
21:24.56HachimanSo according to certain groups of scientists, humanity could be one of the first intelligent species verging on interplanetary / interstellar travel in our galaxy due to Earth supposedly being part of the first 8% of Earth-like planets to have formed in our universe
21:26.00OluapPlayerThat's not news
21:26.37OluapPlayerThat's been one of the proposed answers for the Fermi Paradox for a long time
21:26.41DrodoEmpireI never heard of it. :p
21:26.47DrodoEmpireWell, not put in that way
21:26.47GhelaeThat's quite a claim when there are planets five billion years older than Earth.
21:27.12MonetBut how many of those older panets are earth-like?
21:27.48GhelaeProbably none that have been discovered so far, because there have been so few and finding small planets is difficult.
21:28.02GhelaeNot that I'm saying that their claim that Earth is in the first 8% is wrong.
21:28.14GhelaeThere have been nearly five billion years since then too.
21:28.49GhelaeAnd most terrestrial planets should have formed in that time since there've been more heavier rock-forming elements formed in stars and spread by supernovae since then.
21:28.52MonetThough I'd like to know what evidence they have to support their theory.
21:29.16HachimanCalculations from Hubble or something
21:29.22OluapPlayerhttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/037/783/1fb.jpg I know this feeling
21:29.29Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJONS7sqi0o Was watching this vid when it got brought up
21:29.33GhelaeBut "one of the first intelligent species" isn't so impressive when the older ones could easily be hundreds of millions of years older.
21:30.20MonetBy the sounds of it I think what these scientists are getting at is that the Sun is one of the early Population I stars.
21:30.20MonetPossibly.
21:30.31OluapPlayerA species located five billion light years away is gonna see Earth as a lifeless rock
21:30.39OluapPlayerlife's a pesky thing to find
21:31.05GhelaeI'm sure Wormy and I must have discussed the Fermi Paradox often enough on this channel.
21:31.21MonetI wonder if they could see it. Five billion years is I think beyond the Local Group.
21:31.37OluapPlayerAnswer is that they exist, but they enjoy tormenting Wormy too much to reveal themselves
21:32.27OluapPlayerThe Fermi Paradox is like the most depressive thing in science I've ever seen
21:32.30OluapPlayerI prefer not to think about it
21:32.39GhelaeYou'd need an excessively large telescope to see a single planet from 5 Gly away. I don't know how big exactly, but the diffraction limit will get in your way.
21:32.40MonetIf we are alone I don't mind too much. It just gives us more opportunity to colonise the galaxy.
21:33.06HachimanUnless humanity ends up causing itself to not advance further
21:33.19HachimanIn which case if we are alone, the universe becomes lifeless
21:33.53MonetFor a time.
21:34.40HachimanAlthough I *highly* doubt that humanity is alone as an intelligent race
21:34.44DrodoEmpire^
21:35.39MonetThis planet has become a snowball twice and smashed by an asteroid the sizeof Manhattan islend. If Humanity does somehow stagnate or extinguish itself, life will spring back.
21:36.14HachimanWe have pre-society creatures alive *today* which were in roughly the same position as our own ancestors billions of years ago, such as dolphins and octopuses
21:36.26DrodoEmpireOf course it'll be at least a few million more years until another species develops so it itself starts looking through telescopes and wondering the same things as us now.
21:36.29DrodoEmpireMonet
21:36.48MonetDrodoEMpire: Not neccesserily billions.
21:36.55DrodoEmpireI said million
21:36.57DrodoEmpire:p
21:37.31MonetOh
21:37.40DrodoEmpireThe last *huge* mass-extinction event was only 65 million years ago. Compared to a billion that's nothing
21:37.48MonetI like to think that the concept of life on this planet is here to stay.
21:38.07DrodoEmpireIt'd take something really out there to actually destroy life for good
21:38.20HachimanYellowstone Park
21:38.51DrodoEmpireYellowstone's the big volcano yes?
21:38.54HachimanYeah
21:39.17HachimanIts eruption would instigate an extinction-level event comparable to that of the K-T Event
21:39.35DrodoEmpireEh, I would think that'd be *about* as bad as the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Life would live.
21:39.39MonetIt's exploded before though
21:39.42DrodoEmpireNot us
21:39.44DrodoEmpireBut life
21:39.45DrodoEmpire:D
21:39.53GhelaeMake something more deadly than the Great Dying and then you might be able to talk about wiping out most multicellular life.
21:40.51DrodoEmpireYeah but still unicellular life would live. If we're talking about killing literally *everything* that was anything, then you'd need like the sun to swallow the Earth or something crazy like that
21:40.54HachimanIs that the one with the quasar?
21:41.26HachimanDrodoEmpire: Mars does not even have unicellular life upon its surface
21:41.39GhelaeThe Great Dying was mostly supervolcanoes, I believe. In the plural.
21:41.39DrodoEmpireYeah but that's mars
21:41.46DrodoEmpireNot Earth
21:41.57HachimanWhat happened to Mars could very well happen to Earth
21:41.59MonetWe've found evidenceof ice and liquid water.
21:42.15GhelaeAnd getting through that video, the claim is that Earth is in the first 8% of all Earth-like planets that will ever form in the history of the universe. Since we have a few hundred billion years left og star formation that's very plausible.
21:42.16DrodoEmpireEarth has preexisting life that's... Pretty adaptable honestly
21:42.18MonetWho knows what resides i nthe waters of mars.
21:42.25HachimanMonet: The liquid water has been confirmed too salty to support any form of cellular life
21:42.36DrodoEmpireIn the Earth form
21:42.51DrodoEmpireStill its unlikely Mars has life currently
21:42.55GhelaeWhat happened on Mars was that it was very small. No heat-retaining core to drive a magnetic field, couldn't hold on to its atmosphere.
21:42.56DrodoEmpireBut Earth isn't mars
21:43.09MonetEarth also has something masr doesn't: A magnetic field.
21:43.20MonetMars*
21:43.21DrodoEmpireIt would take something absolutely ridiculous to suddenly turn Earth into mars
21:43.42OfficerJackal_Yeah, like a gamma ray burst or something.
21:43.52MonetA magnetic field and a thermally active core.
21:43.54dromHachiman: Ever had luck finding the Lemon Bread and the Memoryheads in the epilogue game?
21:43.54HachimanIf I recall, Earth was struck with a gamma ray once
21:44.03OfficerJackal_It was?
21:44.04Hachimandrom: I hadn't
21:44.19DrodoEmpireNot even that OfficerJackal. Something even worse, totally outside of the realm of possibility to wipe out everything
21:44.35DrodoEmpireGamma ray bursts *are* catastrophic though
21:44.49HachimanAnd as you can expect, I believe that it instigated a massive global extinction-level event which out tons of prehistoric life
21:44.58HachimanAs in, in a time prior to surface-dwelling animals
21:45.13DrodoEmpireThough the chance they hit earth (or anything else for that matter) is... really, really small I believe'
21:45.53GhelaeIIRC a gamma-ray burst was suggested for the Ordovician extinction, I think.
21:46.59MonetAren't most quasars quasars *really* far away from the Milky Way?
21:47.10DrodoEmpireThink so
21:47.11GhelaeYes.
21:47.25GhelaeThey are (were) active galaxies in the early universe.
21:47.54MonetWhich puts most of them at a distance of billions of light years.
21:48.25GhelaeYes; it's not quasars that will cause extinction-causing gamma-ray bursts, but events in our own galaxy like supernovae or neutron star collisions.
21:48.27DrodoEmpireSpeaking of galaxies
21:49.08DrodoEmpirehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoag%27s_Object - First off don't even the "no new galaxies" rule because that's not what I'm asking, but would it have been plausible to have this galaxy in the First Gigaquadrant?
21:49.16DrodoEmpire*even mention
21:49.24DrodoEmpireI feel its probably too distant
21:49.43GhelaeIt's definitely too distant to be part of any of the Gigaquadrant's clusters.
21:49.57GhelaeGigaquadrant is a poltical rather than an astrographical description, though.
21:50.22MonetOkay refreshed my memory on the Ordovician ELE.
21:50.36DrodoEmpireGhel: Right
21:50.55GhelaeSo it would be *possible*  for Hoag's Object to be part of the Gigaquadrant, although it would be very out of place.
21:51.28GhelaeOr just have it moved by godraces like Borealis.
21:51.36DrodoEmpireAh
21:51.59DrodoEmpireWell first option's no good as, as you've said it'd be extremely misplaced and the second option is a copout imo
21:52.14DrodoEmpireWe *could* introduce wormholes to it or something but we're hardly in pressing need of new galaxies
21:52.17MonetI think the Ordovician was roughly comaprable to the K-T extinction.
21:53.01MonetBut if it was caused by a GRB...well as I said, life tends to bounce back.
21:53.28GhelaeIt's basically going to take either the expansion of the sun or some advanced technology to render Earth utterly uninhabitable.
21:53.43MonetYeah, you'd need something *truly* phoenomenal to complately eradicate the planet of life.
21:55.26GhelaeAnother star passes through our system and either knocks Earth into interstellar space or even hits it? That could work, but it's highly unlikely.
21:56.00GhelaeThe second is "Earth gets fried by a nearby star" again, while in the former case some slow-living microbes would survive until Earth's core freezes a couple of billion years later.
21:56.18MonetThough i nregards to the GRB idea I found this http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/15911-metals-extinction-ocean-oxygen-ordovician-silurian/
21:57.23GhelaeI read more recently a lack of essential minerals rather than the presence of harmful ones as a suggestion.
21:57.58MonetOnce again Science has a habit of dissapointing.
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21:59.18Ghelae_It's not implausible that big mass extinctions could be caused by lots of smaller deadly occurances acting together.
21:59.42Ghelae_Because it's possible for lots of extinction-triggering things to happen in one go, and when such a thing happens you'll end up with a big mass extinction.
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22:01.17MonetWe already have a chance because we can build airtight environemnts.
22:02.02MonetSure most of the population would be wiped out but humanity has alreadycoem ot the brink of extinction.
22:02.46MonetHumanity survived the Toba eruption.
22:03.45MonetWait let me check the maps
22:03.48dromHachiman: Found lemon bread
22:04.05HachimanFrom what I read regarding it, the volcanic eruption following the Toba eruption lasted for around a decade, if less
22:04.15HachimanNot surprising for humans to have survived that
22:04.18dromIt is spending with its sister outside the piano room
22:05.16Monethttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2FCE1700000578-3189619-image-a-6_1438970054862.jpg looking at this map, the estimate appears to be that the main countries at risk are the UNited States, Canada and Mexico.
22:05.31MonetWhile atlantic winds will bring the ash cloud into Europe.
22:06.01HachimanIs that regarding Yellowstone?
22:06.05Monet1-3mm of ash doesn't sound like much though.
22:06.15MonetHachiman: Yes
22:07.00MonetEurope will be affected, most likely.
22:07.18MonetBut the worst victim of Yellowstone, by the looks of it, will be the UNited States itself.
22:07.19MonetAnd Canada.
22:07.21GhelYou should compare 1-3mm with what other volcanic eruptions have caused.
22:07.37GhelI suspect it might cause some short-term damage to agriculture at least.
22:08.22GhelAnd I wouldn't want to be breathing the air where it falls.
22:08.35HachimanI imagine the economy would be just as afflicted as the agriculture
22:08.59Monethttp://volcanoes.usgs.gov/ash/agric/ found this
22:09.46MonetAnd by the looks of it...Ghel's right. The damage to Europe from Yellowstone will be short-term at best.
22:10.38DrodoEmpireHuh
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22:11.00HachimanFuck you guys hur
22:11.03MonetBy the looks of the map, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho are in the epicentre of the Yellwostone blast.
22:11.34MonetThose three states will be annihilated.
22:11.51GhelThose three states being where Yellowstone is located, I would also assume they would suffer the most.
22:12.19GhelAsh more than a metre thick.
22:13.24MonetOn the downside, irf I recal lcorrectly, that epicentre happens to be America's breadbasket.
22:13.28GhelAccording to that agriculture page: Basically the entire soil-based ecosystem is wiped out. Plants will start growing again within a few decades but it'll be millennia before it fully recovers.
22:14.08Monethttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/theenclave/images/9/91/New_Vegas(1).png/revision/latest?cb=20120520203740 Montana post-yellowstone.
22:14.57HachimanThis is why preservation projects for flora and fauna are a good idea hur
22:15.32MonetWhen yellowstone blows it looks like it's goodbye burger country.
22:15.54GhelThe areas in yellow and orange will be mostly okay.
22:16.02GhelRelatively.
22:16.33GhelSo the east coast will be best off.
22:16.55GhelThe west coast will get about an inch.
22:16.57MonetThe msot dangerous thing ash does to the East Coast: The creation of even angrier New Yorkers.
22:19.19MonetBoth coasts suffer an economic  depression as ash-rain ruins everyones' coffee.
22:20.13MonetActualyl maybe the opposite happens
22:20.19GhelWhile people in the southernmost tips of Texas and Florida initially feel like they've just had a very mild flurry of snow.
22:20.39GhelSlightly lava-tasting sprinkles on their coffee.
22:21.35MonetMaybe the Post-Yellowstone Maritine United States sees an economic boom as coffee, coca-cola and the like become the only sources of clean drinking water.
22:24.23GhelThe coffee-ruining ash-rain will have the more immediate impact. But afterwards the latter effect is likely to take place.
22:24.34MonetAnd then Starbucks installs itself as the Maritime California Water Department.
22:25.16GhelThe impression I get is that there's hardly any water left in California at the moment as it is, even without a supervolcano going off nearby.
22:27.02MonetIt's because of all those 10,000 hectare sprinker-hydrated farms
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22:30.39GhelAmongst other excesses of water usage, yes.
22:34.14Monet_2"ALright everyone there's a water shortage going on" https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/shutterstock_75024991-web.jpg
22:35.05Monet_2And yet in the UK the Thames Valley endures a hosepipe ban whenever the summer rainfall becomes less than expected.
22:37.26Hachimanhur
22:37.26GhelEvery few years as the regular British drought comes along, I watch as the hosepipe ban gets right up to the edge of my home county of Leicestershire... and then the nation is suddenly drenched with torrential rainfall.
22:37.31GhelHappens every time.
22:38.59Monet_2The hosepipe ban never affected my family.
22:40.06Monet_2Well if this source is reliable this https://www.revealnews.org/article/9-sobering-facts-about-californias-groundwater-problem/ might explain the paradox of  California suffering drought problems and yet has a large swathe of the state devoted to water-intensive farmland
22:40.43Monet_2The long-and-short of it seems to be that California is relying more and more on pumped-up groundwater as the years go by.
22:42.28GhelAlso, it contributes so much food to the country that Yellowstone really would be a disaster.
22:44.03Monet_2About half of all fruits, nuts and vegetables according to the LA times.
22:44.37Monet_2I like how Californians decide that the middle of a desert is the best place to build a vineyard.
22:45.23Monet_2I suddenly start to wonder.
22:45.57Monet_2Everyone joked that Texas would have trouble supporting itself if it seceeded...what about California?
22:46.48Monet_2California is an industrial, agricultural and technological leader in the United States.
22:47.07GhelIt's probably the whole tragedy of the commons; individual Californians thinking "If just make one farm for myself here, it's not going to cause any problems."
22:47.12Monet_2And has a tendency to consider itself one of the most progressive states in the country.
22:48.06GhelIt may have to start importing water, but as a completely uneducated guess I imagine it could support itself for the most part.
22:49.09GhelThere are smaller, drier countries that are fairly affluent, like in the Middle East.
22:49.41Monet_2I guess it makes sense now how in the Fallout franchise, California is one of the msot advanced nations in the known world.
22:50.19Monet_2By the 2200s, the New California Republic has factories, governors, a presidency, regular elections, a standing army and its own form of paper currency.
22:51.09dromHachiman: I noticed that how you've spared the monsters, it affects their career on the surface world
22:52.22Monet_2The only other nation I ca nthink of that could compete with the New California Republic (at a guess) is the New England Commonwealth.
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22:52.36Monet_2At least I think it's New England, it's centred in Massacheusets.
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22:53.23Monet_2Come to think of it it's funny.
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22:54.29Monet_2The most advanced nations in the fallout universe are located around where could once be found MIT and UCLA.
22:56.57Monet_2Actually I'm going to bet the New England Commonwealth was founded by descendants of MIT graduates while the New California Republic thrived because its in California.
22:58.27Monet_2Okay on second thoughts I don't think the NEC could compete.
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22:59.53Monet_2While the COmmonwealth is Advanced, msot of the high technology is owned by "The Institute". Which itself is probably an evolution of MIT.
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23:00.26Monet_2But its very secretive
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23:13.26Wormy_Monet_2:  Just realised where "Grimbol" might come front https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em4Yl8qIm9Q
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