00:30.56 | Wormy_away_ | drom: my dog keeps licking his bum dangerously close to my pillows |
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00:35.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
00:50.30 | drom | Wormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/DIxlPAM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/suokpCx.jpg |
00:51.11 | drom | This guy cannot see objects, living things or whatever that isn't moving |
00:53.41 | Wormy_away_ | Like a dog |
00:55.54 | drom | One of the members of the family even said "If our families are merged into one... does that meant that I'm married to "my sister"? - Don't matter anyway... it is normal." |
00:58.40 | drom | Suggesting that incest is normal among dogs |
00:59.22 | drom | It is pretty true, foxes usually relay on incest when there is no other family or lone potential partners |
01:02.21 | drom | Wormy_away_: http://i.imgur.com/DNSNToG.webm |
01:03.15 | drom | bah |
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01:20.05 | Quark8 | Hello. |
01:21.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
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01:34.52 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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01:47.48 | TekPC | Anyone seen this? https://imgur.com/gallery/a0WIB |
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01:48.19 | DrodoEmpire | Looks interesting though |
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11:18.57 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
11:20.16 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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12:07.01 | Cyrannian | Hai |
12:07.35 | OluapPlayer | ~kick Cyrannian |
12:07.36 | infobot | ACTION kicks Cyrannian |
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12:17.16 | V-erios | Hi |
12:17.36 | AdmiralPanda | I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that's Imp? |
12:24.28 | V-erios | Duh |
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12:44.52 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
12:45.02 | Ghelae | Hello. |
13:16.06 | AdmiralPanda | Ghelae: you're still a largely emotionless, amoral AI aren't you? |
13:21.58 | Ghelae | Yes. |
13:23.39 | AdmiralPanda | could I propose a situation to you, and ask what you would do if you were in a similar situation? |
13:27.16 | Ghelae | Okay. |
13:32.40 | AdmiralPanda | so, for context: you are a small but extremely wealthy multinational biotech company which holds the patent for the biofuel used in 90% of all engines and power plants ever, but now the companies to whom you've outsourced production are starting to become even richer and more influential than you |
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13:34.25 | AdmiralPanda | so, you need another breakthrough to put yourself back on top because being able to tell world superpowers what to do is nice- given that you have the single biggest biotech research staff in the world and morality just doesn't apply to you, what would you do? |
13:34.53 | AdmiralPanda | and to avoid subtlety being overlooked, feel free to jump straight to creating your own crisis for you to solve |
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13:38.07 | Ghelae | If possible, and not too difficult to keep secret, engineering diseases that kill off the biofuels produced by your competitors might be something to look into. |
13:38.32 | Ghelae | Then you patent the genetic modifications that give crops resistance to said diseases (or pests. Could be pests) that you then grow into your own plants. |
13:39.16 | Ghelae | Although evidently patents weren't enough to keep the company on top in the first place. |
13:40.13 | Ghelae | However, you could knock your subcontractors down a peg or two by letting them lose a year's harvest. |
13:41.25 | Ghelae | Naturally that'll also increase the cost of fuel so that, when your disease/pest-resistant crops (best use a variety of diseases and pests just to be sure) are ready for harvest, there'll be even more money heading your way and none to the other companies. |
13:42.18 | Ghelae | This, of course, requires you to have some significant production capacity of your own. If you've outsources all of it to other companies then you'd need to get yourself some land and farmers in preparation. |
13:42.48 | AdmiralPanda | that sounds like an excellent idea, thank you :) I'm working on setting up a Cyberpunk2020 game with my TTRPG group and it's always nice to have an evil corporate scheme in the background |
13:43.23 | Ghelae | You're welcome; any time. |
13:45.02 | AdmiralPanda | so since Biotechnica (you in this example), the fuel producers and the farmers are three separate organisations in this instance, you could engineer a plague to attack the crops, then release your cure and blame it on the Japanese or something |
13:45.09 | AdmiralPanda | and that's not me being racist, their main competition is Japan |
13:45.26 | Ghelae | Yes, that would work. |
13:46.09 | Ghelae | As for the fact that you happen to have the cure, you can claim that's just one product of decades of research into engineering resistant crops to avoid it looking suspect. Even if that isn't true. |
13:47.19 | AdmiralPanda | you could even delay releasing the cure by an appropriate amount of time to drive up product value and say that you've frantically reassigned all staff onto the project and that's why the cure came out so quickly |
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14:10.02 | Ghelae | Hello. And bye. |
14:10.04 | Wormy_ | Fucking Bing adding itself as an extension to google chrome > nope |
14:10.09 | Wormy_ | hi |
14:14.43 | OluapPlayer | Eugh, Bing |
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14:23.58 | Cyrannian | ~explode OluapPlayer |
14:23.58 | infobot | ACTION blows up OluapPlayer with bombs |
14:24.29 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
14:24.29 | infobot | ACTION eats Cyrannian and falls over dead |
14:24.51 | Cyrannian | I forgot to greet you earlier by blowing you up, how rude |
14:25.15 | OluapPlayer | You really let yourself go |
14:27.25 | Cyrannian | I feel absolutely terrible, next time I'll make your death special |
14:29.09 | OluapPlayer | You can compensate it by stopping being inactive |
14:30.44 | Cyrannian | Not like I want to compare and contrast the Anglo Normans and the Gaelic Irish before next friday |
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14:36.21 | Cyrannian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSiw5CE2TxM - No surprise that the one Halo character voiced by FemShep is the first to get in on interspecies lurve |
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14:38.29 | OluapPlayer | nasti |
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14:44.08 | drom | argh |
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14:48.31 | drom | waaaaargh |
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14:56.05 | Wormy_ | bbl |
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15:24.38 | Jepardi | Hi |
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15:30.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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15:39.47 | drom | TekDroid: If you are going to play some Victoria II, mind tell me me so I can also try it out with you? |
15:40.11 | drom | *glarged rambling* |
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16:02.04 | Cyrannian | Yey didn't realise the Spore servers came back up |
16:02.50 | OluapPlayer_ | You're late by a few weeks |
16:03.09 | Cyrannian | I haven't played Spore in a while |
16:03.37 | OluapPlayer_ | shame on u waptor |
16:04.26 | Cyrannian | shup |
16:09.16 | Cyrannian | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12191776_1045668298806796_8274740790070684352_n.jpg?oh=2de4de1c337baf7ee24385a02bd38e2a&oe=56BC98C9&__gda__=1454834740_75431100fed4c7f7fd13cf8672ab5ffb - That's an unfortunate cut-off point |
16:11.29 | TekDroid | https://m.imgur.com/gallery/a0WIB Had anyone seen this? |
16:12.59 | Ghelae | I've not seen it before, no. |
16:13.07 | drom | TekDroid: <drom> TekDroid: If you are going to play some Victoria II, mind tell me me so I can also try it out with you? |
16:14.28 | Wormy_away | Tek: Yes |
16:14.39 | Wormy_away | Looks like Cell Stage on steroids |
16:15.01 | Wormy_away | *sporoids |
16:16.33 | drom | Nice |
16:17.03 | drom | https://imgur.com/gallery/s0hssjo |
16:17.11 | Ghelae | And lasers. Cell Stage on steroids with lasers. |
16:20.21 | Ghelae | I think "sporoids" just sounds like some disease. |
16:20.34 | drom | Technobliterator: https://i.imgur.com/XPmwsoP.jpg |
16:21.02 | drom | https://i.imgur.com/1MFOIr6.jpg |
16:21.26 | drom | Ghelae Wormy_away Cyrannian: https://i.imgur.com/wSeOfOn.jpg |
16:26.58 | drom | Cyrannian Wormy_away Ghelae: https://i.imgur.com/dpY2jsR.jpg |
16:27.24 | Ghelae | This is true. Also why you should aim to target orphans. |
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16:33.27 | drom | Ghelae: https://i.imgur.com/0jtaxfW.gif |
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16:33.44 | Tek0516 | drom: As in Multiplayer? |
16:33.50 | drom | ya |
16:34.43 | Tek0516 | I should warn it's rather unstable and requires outside software to actually connect. |
16:37.46 | Tek0516 | Also that I am the definition of a micromanager with that game. :P |
16:49.21 | drom | Tek0516: "Let's see, drom's got 20 soldiers... wait is he training another?! THIS MEANS WAR" |
16:50.31 | Tek0516 | More like pausing every few days so I can buold |
16:50.47 | Tek0516 | *build an extensive railroad network in my colonies |
16:50.55 | Tek0516 | :P |
16:51.18 | drom | hah |
16:51.40 | drom | And I'm pretty much a slow trutle player |
16:51.51 | Tek0516 | Or manually readjusting all my factories because capitalist AI is dumb. :P |
16:53.30 | Tek0516 | Drom: Basically in Victoria 2 Liberals are great, but Liberal policies are horrible. :P |
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16:54.38 | drom | This neckbeard is itching badly |
16:54.55 | drom | That's what I get for forgetting my shaver at home |
16:55.29 | Tek0516 | A disproportionate number of Victoria 2 player nations are communist because we never trust the AI capitalists. :P |
16:55.47 | drom | Well. There are fixes for those? |
16:55.48 | drom | As in mods |
16:56.10 | Tek0516 | I don't know, but don't think so. |
16:56.35 | Tek0516 | It's not game breaking or anything, it's just not smart sometimes. :P |
17:01.21 | drom | heh |
17:05.05 | Tek0516 | Damn |
17:05.07 | Tek0516 | Net split? |
17:08.16 | drom | I'm still alive |
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18:07.12 | Wormy_ | Cyrannian: I had a nightmare |
18:07.58 | Wormy_ | I was watching Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and suddenely Micky Mouse and other cartoon animals come out and start singing in the middle of the film. |
18:09.59 | Ghelae | It was a precognitive dream. TFA is just going to be an enormous fan-trolling. |
18:11.07 | OluapPlayer_ | olol |
18:12.25 | Wormy_ | hur |
18:14.39 | Wormy_ | Well, this is intriguing. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-future-space-travel-nasa-eagleworks-hints-breakthrough-interstellar-flight-1527184 |
18:15.21 | Ghelae | That thing again? |
18:15.24 | Ghelae | reads it |
18:17.17 | Wormy_ | Its apparentely survived another round of testing, with new ways to control external noise. We will still need to wait for their result to be published and tested by other groups, I guess, to reprouce the result or control external effects even more |
18:17.34 | Ghelae | It'd be nice if it's true but there isn't really anything new. |
18:18.26 | Ghelae | I remember last time a control emdrive that wasn't supposed to work still showed the same sort of amount of thrust, and so using a control and finding that it doesn't do that would go a long way. |
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18:22.24 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
18:22.29 | Ghelae | It'd be nice if it's true but there isn't really anything new. |
18:22.30 | Ghelae | I remember last time a control emdrive that wasn't supposed to work still showed the same sort of amount of thrust, and so using a control and finding that it doesn't do that would go a long way. |
18:23.04 | Wormy_ | Ah, yes |
18:23.30 | Ghelae | It looks like he thinks his device avoids violating conservation of momentum by associating the velocity of a charge in the Lorentz force equation with the group velocity of an electromagnetic wave. |
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18:25.59 | Wormy_ | Can group velocities interact with matter like that? I assume, because in the case of apparent FTL propagation, group velocities don;t actually transmit any information or energy |
18:26.23 | Wormy_ | At least above c, so that might not count here |
18:27.06 | Ghelae | The group velocity of a charged particle is essentially the velocity that you observe, but that's the charge and not the wave. |
18:27.12 | Ghelae | not the EM wave* |
18:27.31 | Ghelae | Basically I'm looking at http://www.emdrive.com/IAC-08-C4-4-7.pdf and quite a bit looks dodgy. |
18:28.42 | Ghelae | In section 4 he explicitly states "Note that to maintain the principle of the principle of the conservation of momentum, the acceleration of the waveguide due to thrust, is opposite to the actual thrust direction." |
18:29.11 | Ghelae | Which to me sounds like he's saying "to maintain conservation of momentum, we have to say that half of the drive is moving in the opposite direction to the way that it's actually moving". |
18:30.38 | Ghelae | And then claims a velocity limit for the emdrive that seems to go completely against there being no such thing as an absolute reference frame. That is to say, it's based purely on the internal dynamics of the emdrive and not interactions with anything moving in the outside world. |
18:30.49 | Ghelae | e.g. like the speed of interstellar hydrogen limits the bussard ramjet. |
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18:36.01 | Technobliterator | anyone know xbox controllers? |
18:36.20 | Wormy_ | I must go again, bbl |
18:36.32 | Technobliterator | what is the equivalent of L1 and L2? |
18:37.06 | OluapPlayer | Bone1 and Bone2 |
18:37.17 | OluapPlayer | I've never used an Xbox controller so I wouldn't know |
18:38.23 | Technobliterator | :C |
18:38.35 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, Cyrannian, ^ |
18:38.59 | Hachiman | Eh? |
18:39.27 | Technobliterator | Xbox controllers |
18:39.31 | Hachiman | Oh |
18:39.35 | Technobliterator | what's the equivalent of R1 and R2? |
18:39.51 | Technobliterator | is trying to program a console button template |
18:40.26 | Hachiman | LB is L1, LT is L2 |
18:40.45 | Hachiman | And same with RB and RT |
18:40.47 | Technobliterator | ahh |
18:40.49 | Technobliterator | thanks ^.^ |
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18:50.29 | drom | LB stands for Left Button, LT stands for Left Trigger. Explained for your convience. |
18:50.43 | Technobliterator | I thought it was left bumper |
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18:54.22 | Luxor | Hello. |
18:54.40 | Luxor | I'm afraid we might need some kind of rework for "Humanity" page on wiki. |
18:54.53 | Luxor | For example, present Earth map. |
18:57.14 | Luxor | hello? |
18:57.16 | ImpyDroid | Dear Lord |
18:57.48 | ImpyDroid | My entire district's Internet connection has been severed |
18:57.51 | Luxor | That's not a valid answer |
18:57.54 | ImpyDroid | Now my PC does not work |
18:58.10 | ImpyDroid | PC's Internet that is |
18:58.18 | ImpyDroid | As for the human page |
18:58.21 | ImpyDroid | Certainly |
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19:00.40 | Luxor | http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/ |
19:00.46 | Luxor | I think we should remember about that |
19:01.03 | Hachiman | Luxor: Earth has been terraformed multiple times by the 2800s |
19:01.07 | GD12 | Hello |
19:01.11 | Hachiman | Hai GD |
19:01.24 | GD12 | ngh can't wanit for next sem |
19:01.27 | GD12 | when i have no work to do |
19:01.36 | GD12 | can finally continue/finish ficshun |
19:02.08 | Hachiman | Most notably frozen by a civilisation of spacefaring neanderthals and I believe the transformation has since been reversed |
19:04.29 | OluapPlayer | GD returns from the grave |
19:04.33 | OluapPlayer | for the gorillonth time |
19:05.57 | Luxor | Ay. |
19:06.08 | Luxor | But still we need some map. |
19:06.28 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12195831_1044418668931759_6215849108397771503_n.jpg?oh=c21646e236f8021ca16f3184665e5dc2&oe=56B42C69 "Mr. Bump sounds much better in Norwegian" |
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19:07.47 | OluapPlayer | mr twiddle diddle |
19:19.47 | drom | blargh |
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20:20.37 | Monet | Hi |
20:22.19 | Hachiman | Hi |
20:22.56 | drom | Hell |
20:22.56 | drom | o |
20:23.19 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/389920012473577907/0DF0809E6D55E1BF9B44D233989F67057F25B579/ so this is a high-level city form 2205. |
20:23.35 | Monet | And no this is not promo art. I took this ingame. |
20:24.26 | drom | The low poly hovers already tell me that it an actual in-game shot |
20:24.44 | Monet | lol fair enough. |
20:24.52 | Monet | Stil lthe rest of the city is gorgeous. |
20:26.46 | Monet | I'm going to make a test some time down the line. I've often found that when I reach really big metropolis sizes the streets tend to empty considerably. |
20:27.47 | Monet | The most advanced building one can build requires 150,000 of the top-level citizens to unlock. |
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20:28.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
20:29.06 | Monet | ...here's the thing: In previous games a global population of 50,000 was a big achievement. Here I have yet to fill 1/4 of the map and already the population of my most densely-ppoulated region is about 60,000. |
20:29.28 | Monet | Hi |
20:30.19 | DrodoEmpire | Huh cool |
20:30.20 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
20:30.33 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/389920012473577907/0DF0809E6D55E1BF9B44D233989F67057F25B579/ |
20:31.05 | DrodoEmpire | Is that 2205?? |
20:31.07 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
20:31.07 | Monet | The scope of this latest game is incredible. |
20:31.16 | Monet | DrodoEMpire: Yes |
20:31.18 | drom | Technobliterator TekDroid: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-2015/suggestions/6320959-remove-debugging |
20:31.32 | DrodoEmpire | That looks *awesome*. XD |
20:32.03 | Monet | Next time I go on I might take some beauty shots. |
20:32.37 | DrodoEmpire | Alright cool |
20:33.15 | Monet | BTW I think I've found one possible justification for why the game's top-level citizens want anti-grav compensators despite being earthbound: The fourth tier level is "investor" |
20:34.48 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
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20:35.04 | Ghelae | Hello. |
20:35.32 | Monet | So I think what is happening is because these people are corporate investors, they want something in resturn for providing the plaer's corporation with investment capital and a share in the business. |
20:35.48 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
20:36.06 | Monet | The four tier levels in the temperate zone are "worker" "operator" "executive" "investor. |
20:36.59 | Monet | At the fourth level I think they stop being employees and start being chief officers themselves. |
20:37.17 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
20:38.12 | Monet | I'm just guessing. |
20:39.40 | Monet | But because the player is a megacorp holder we could be talking player company shares worth tens of thousands of credits by the time they start getting this tier level. |
20:40.10 | drom | Ghelae Monet Hachiman: Proper usage of PETA's stickers http://i.imgur.com/cNoKscP.jpg |
20:40.55 | Monet | Note that in order to get these people to establish themselves, the executives need augmentaions manufactured using rare-earth elements found and excavated on the Moon. |
20:41.02 | Ghelae | drom: I don't think those two sentences are connected. :P |
20:43.12 | drom | Ghelae: For PETA, it does. |
20:43.31 | Monet | "fur is murder" and all that jazz. |
20:47.06 | Ghelae | I know how PETA feels about it. |
20:47.39 | Ghelae | But sticking them on a cat just makes them seem utterly unrelated to me. |
20:49.19 | Monet | You might be overthinking the joke. |
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20:56.16 | Monet_2 | Also these investors ask for quantum computers. |
20:57.35 | Monet_2 | My guess is the reason is 50% use in business or security, 50% "look at my l33t haXX0r computer" |
20:57.45 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
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20:59.59 | Monet_2 | Quantum computers are build using resources in the arctic - hydrogen, methane and advanced materials for use by the "scientist" social class. |
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21:00.27 | drom | Monet_2: http://i.imgur.com/MabJXjJ.webm |
21:00.30 | Monet_2 | Although how useful would quantum computers be to managing a space programme? |
21:01.02 | Monet_2 | Must be useful for orbital transfer. |
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21:06.02 | Imperios | Hi |
21:06.04 | Monet_2 | Hi |
21:07.19 | Imperios | Hachiman: Remember the Rocket Dog video? |
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21:07.53 | Hachiman | KOMRAD LAIKA ROCKET DOG |
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21:08.31 | Imperios | I just realised |
21:08.48 | drom | Ghelae TekDroid_ Imperios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3xuvPPBPM4 |
21:08.59 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Dogs There's a full feature version of this apparently |
21:09.03 | Monet_2 | Imperios: You made me curious. |
21:09.25 | OluapPlayer | Hi Imp |
21:13.38 | Ghelae | drom: Nut, crusts, salt, squid, gorgonzola. What's not to love about that? |
21:16.48 | Ghelae | Steak cookies are something somebody should try. |
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21:18.36 | Ghelae | I wouldn't eat them. |
21:18.41 | Ghelae | But somebody should definitely make them. |
21:24.56 | Hachiman | So according to certain groups of scientists, humanity could be one of the first intelligent species verging on interplanetary / interstellar travel in our galaxy due to Earth supposedly being part of the first 8% of Earth-like planets to have formed in our universe |
21:26.00 | OluapPlayer | That's not news |
21:26.37 | OluapPlayer | That's been one of the proposed answers for the Fermi Paradox for a long time |
21:26.41 | DrodoEmpire | I never heard of it. :p |
21:26.47 | DrodoEmpire | Well, not put in that way |
21:26.47 | Ghelae | That's quite a claim when there are planets five billion years older than Earth. |
21:27.12 | Monet | But how many of those older panets are earth-like? |
21:27.48 | Ghelae | Probably none that have been discovered so far, because there have been so few and finding small planets is difficult. |
21:28.02 | Ghelae | Not that I'm saying that their claim that Earth is in the first 8% is wrong. |
21:28.14 | Ghelae | There have been nearly five billion years since then too. |
21:28.49 | Ghelae | And most terrestrial planets should have formed in that time since there've been more heavier rock-forming elements formed in stars and spread by supernovae since then. |
21:28.52 | Monet | Though I'd like to know what evidence they have to support their theory. |
21:29.16 | Hachiman | Calculations from Hubble or something |
21:29.22 | OluapPlayer | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/037/783/1fb.jpg I know this feeling |
21:29.29 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJONS7sqi0o Was watching this vid when it got brought up |
21:29.33 | Ghelae | But "one of the first intelligent species" isn't so impressive when the older ones could easily be hundreds of millions of years older. |
21:30.20 | Monet | By the sounds of it I think what these scientists are getting at is that the Sun is one of the early Population I stars. |
21:30.20 | Monet | Possibly. |
21:30.31 | OluapPlayer | A species located five billion light years away is gonna see Earth as a lifeless rock |
21:30.39 | OluapPlayer | life's a pesky thing to find |
21:31.05 | Ghelae | I'm sure Wormy and I must have discussed the Fermi Paradox often enough on this channel. |
21:31.21 | Monet | I wonder if they could see it. Five billion years is I think beyond the Local Group. |
21:31.37 | OluapPlayer | Answer is that they exist, but they enjoy tormenting Wormy too much to reveal themselves |
21:32.27 | OluapPlayer | The Fermi Paradox is like the most depressive thing in science I've ever seen |
21:32.30 | OluapPlayer | I prefer not to think about it |
21:32.39 | Ghelae | You'd need an excessively large telescope to see a single planet from 5 Gly away. I don't know how big exactly, but the diffraction limit will get in your way. |
21:32.40 | Monet | If we are alone I don't mind too much. It just gives us more opportunity to colonise the galaxy. |
21:33.06 | Hachiman | Unless humanity ends up causing itself to not advance further |
21:33.19 | Hachiman | In which case if we are alone, the universe becomes lifeless |
21:33.53 | Monet | For a time. |
21:34.40 | Hachiman | Although I *highly* doubt that humanity is alone as an intelligent race |
21:34.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
21:35.39 | Monet | This planet has become a snowball twice and smashed by an asteroid the sizeof Manhattan islend. If Humanity does somehow stagnate or extinguish itself, life will spring back. |
21:36.14 | Hachiman | We have pre-society creatures alive *today* which were in roughly the same position as our own ancestors billions of years ago, such as dolphins and octopuses |
21:36.26 | DrodoEmpire | Of course it'll be at least a few million more years until another species develops so it itself starts looking through telescopes and wondering the same things as us now. |
21:36.29 | DrodoEmpire | Monet |
21:36.48 | Monet | DrodoEMpire: Not neccesserily billions. |
21:36.55 | DrodoEmpire | I said million |
21:36.57 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
21:37.31 | Monet | Oh |
21:37.40 | DrodoEmpire | The last *huge* mass-extinction event was only 65 million years ago. Compared to a billion that's nothing |
21:37.48 | Monet | I like to think that the concept of life on this planet is here to stay. |
21:38.07 | DrodoEmpire | It'd take something really out there to actually destroy life for good |
21:38.20 | Hachiman | Yellowstone Park |
21:38.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yellowstone's the big volcano yes? |
21:38.54 | Hachiman | Yeah |
21:39.17 | Hachiman | Its eruption would instigate an extinction-level event comparable to that of the K-T Event |
21:39.35 | DrodoEmpire | Eh, I would think that'd be *about* as bad as the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Life would live. |
21:39.39 | Monet | It's exploded before though |
21:39.42 | DrodoEmpire | Not us |
21:39.44 | DrodoEmpire | But life |
21:39.45 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
21:39.53 | Ghelae | Make something more deadly than the Great Dying and then you might be able to talk about wiping out most multicellular life. |
21:40.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah but still unicellular life would live. If we're talking about killing literally *everything* that was anything, then you'd need like the sun to swallow the Earth or something crazy like that |
21:40.54 | Hachiman | Is that the one with the quasar? |
21:41.26 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Mars does not even have unicellular life upon its surface |
21:41.39 | Ghelae | The Great Dying was mostly supervolcanoes, I believe. In the plural. |
21:41.39 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah but that's mars |
21:41.46 | DrodoEmpire | Not Earth |
21:41.57 | Hachiman | What happened to Mars could very well happen to Earth |
21:41.59 | Monet | We've found evidenceof ice and liquid water. |
21:42.15 | Ghelae | And getting through that video, the claim is that Earth is in the first 8% of all Earth-like planets that will ever form in the history of the universe. Since we have a few hundred billion years left og star formation that's very plausible. |
21:42.16 | DrodoEmpire | Earth has preexisting life that's... Pretty adaptable honestly |
21:42.18 | Monet | Who knows what resides i nthe waters of mars. |
21:42.25 | Hachiman | Monet: The liquid water has been confirmed too salty to support any form of cellular life |
21:42.36 | DrodoEmpire | In the Earth form |
21:42.51 | DrodoEmpire | Still its unlikely Mars has life currently |
21:42.55 | Ghelae | What happened on Mars was that it was very small. No heat-retaining core to drive a magnetic field, couldn't hold on to its atmosphere. |
21:42.56 | DrodoEmpire | But Earth isn't mars |
21:43.09 | Monet | Earth also has something masr doesn't: A magnetic field. |
21:43.20 | Monet | Mars* |
21:43.21 | DrodoEmpire | It would take something absolutely ridiculous to suddenly turn Earth into mars |
21:43.42 | OfficerJackal_ | Yeah, like a gamma ray burst or something. |
21:43.52 | Monet | A magnetic field and a thermally active core. |
21:43.54 | drom | Hachiman: Ever had luck finding the Lemon Bread and the Memoryheads in the epilogue game? |
21:43.54 | Hachiman | If I recall, Earth was struck with a gamma ray once |
21:44.03 | OfficerJackal_ | It was? |
21:44.04 | Hachiman | drom: I hadn't |
21:44.19 | DrodoEmpire | Not even that OfficerJackal. Something even worse, totally outside of the realm of possibility to wipe out everything |
21:44.35 | DrodoEmpire | Gamma ray bursts *are* catastrophic though |
21:44.49 | Hachiman | And as you can expect, I believe that it instigated a massive global extinction-level event which out tons of prehistoric life |
21:44.58 | Hachiman | As in, in a time prior to surface-dwelling animals |
21:45.13 | DrodoEmpire | Though the chance they hit earth (or anything else for that matter) is... really, really small I believe' |
21:45.53 | Ghelae | IIRC a gamma-ray burst was suggested for the Ordovician extinction, I think. |
21:46.59 | Monet | Aren't most quasars quasars *really* far away from the Milky Way? |
21:47.10 | DrodoEmpire | Think so |
21:47.11 | Ghelae | Yes. |
21:47.25 | Ghelae | They are (were) active galaxies in the early universe. |
21:47.54 | Monet | Which puts most of them at a distance of billions of light years. |
21:48.25 | Ghelae | Yes; it's not quasars that will cause extinction-causing gamma-ray bursts, but events in our own galaxy like supernovae or neutron star collisions. |
21:48.27 | DrodoEmpire | Speaking of galaxies |
21:49.08 | DrodoEmpire | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoag%27s_Object - First off don't even the "no new galaxies" rule because that's not what I'm asking, but would it have been plausible to have this galaxy in the First Gigaquadrant? |
21:49.16 | DrodoEmpire | *even mention |
21:49.24 | DrodoEmpire | I feel its probably too distant |
21:49.43 | Ghelae | It's definitely too distant to be part of any of the Gigaquadrant's clusters. |
21:49.57 | Ghelae | Gigaquadrant is a poltical rather than an astrographical description, though. |
21:50.22 | Monet | Okay refreshed my memory on the Ordovician ELE. |
21:50.36 | DrodoEmpire | Ghel: Right |
21:50.55 | Ghelae | So it would be *possible* for Hoag's Object to be part of the Gigaquadrant, although it would be very out of place. |
21:51.28 | Ghelae | Or just have it moved by godraces like Borealis. |
21:51.36 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
21:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | Well first option's no good as, as you've said it'd be extremely misplaced and the second option is a copout imo |
21:52.14 | DrodoEmpire | We *could* introduce wormholes to it or something but we're hardly in pressing need of new galaxies |
21:52.17 | Monet | I think the Ordovician was roughly comaprable to the K-T extinction. |
21:53.01 | Monet | But if it was caused by a GRB...well as I said, life tends to bounce back. |
21:53.28 | Ghelae | It's basically going to take either the expansion of the sun or some advanced technology to render Earth utterly uninhabitable. |
21:53.43 | Monet | Yeah, you'd need something *truly* phoenomenal to complately eradicate the planet of life. |
21:55.26 | Ghelae | Another star passes through our system and either knocks Earth into interstellar space or even hits it? That could work, but it's highly unlikely. |
21:56.00 | Ghelae | The second is "Earth gets fried by a nearby star" again, while in the former case some slow-living microbes would survive until Earth's core freezes a couple of billion years later. |
21:56.18 | Monet | Though i nregards to the GRB idea I found this http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/15911-metals-extinction-ocean-oxygen-ordovician-silurian/ |
21:57.23 | Ghelae | I read more recently a lack of essential minerals rather than the presence of harmful ones as a suggestion. |
21:57.58 | Monet | Once again Science has a habit of dissapointing. |
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21:59.18 | Ghelae_ | It's not implausible that big mass extinctions could be caused by lots of smaller deadly occurances acting together. |
21:59.42 | Ghelae_ | Because it's possible for lots of extinction-triggering things to happen in one go, and when such a thing happens you'll end up with a big mass extinction. |
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22:01.17 | Monet | We already have a chance because we can build airtight environemnts. |
22:02.02 | Monet | Sure most of the population would be wiped out but humanity has alreadycoem ot the brink of extinction. |
22:02.46 | Monet | Humanity survived the Toba eruption. |
22:03.45 | Monet | Wait let me check the maps |
22:03.48 | drom | Hachiman: Found lemon bread |
22:04.05 | Hachiman | From what I read regarding it, the volcanic eruption following the Toba eruption lasted for around a decade, if less |
22:04.15 | Hachiman | Not surprising for humans to have survived that |
22:04.18 | drom | It is spending with its sister outside the piano room |
22:05.16 | Monet | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2FCE1700000578-3189619-image-a-6_1438970054862.jpg looking at this map, the estimate appears to be that the main countries at risk are the UNited States, Canada and Mexico. |
22:05.31 | Monet | While atlantic winds will bring the ash cloud into Europe. |
22:06.01 | Hachiman | Is that regarding Yellowstone? |
22:06.05 | Monet | 1-3mm of ash doesn't sound like much though. |
22:06.15 | Monet | Hachiman: Yes |
22:07.00 | Monet | Europe will be affected, most likely. |
22:07.18 | Monet | But the worst victim of Yellowstone, by the looks of it, will be the UNited States itself. |
22:07.19 | Monet | And Canada. |
22:07.21 | Ghel | You should compare 1-3mm with what other volcanic eruptions have caused. |
22:07.37 | Ghel | I suspect it might cause some short-term damage to agriculture at least. |
22:08.22 | Ghel | And I wouldn't want to be breathing the air where it falls. |
22:08.35 | Hachiman | I imagine the economy would be just as afflicted as the agriculture |
22:08.59 | Monet | http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/ash/agric/ found this |
22:09.46 | Monet | And by the looks of it...Ghel's right. The damage to Europe from Yellowstone will be short-term at best. |
22:10.38 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
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22:11.00 | Hachiman | Fuck you guys hur |
22:11.03 | Monet | By the looks of the map, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho are in the epicentre of the Yellwostone blast. |
22:11.34 | Monet | Those three states will be annihilated. |
22:11.51 | Ghel | Those three states being where Yellowstone is located, I would also assume they would suffer the most. |
22:12.19 | Ghel | Ash more than a metre thick. |
22:13.24 | Monet | On the downside, irf I recal lcorrectly, that epicentre happens to be America's breadbasket. |
22:13.28 | Ghel | According to that agriculture page: Basically the entire soil-based ecosystem is wiped out. Plants will start growing again within a few decades but it'll be millennia before it fully recovers. |
22:14.08 | Monet | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/theenclave/images/9/91/New_Vegas(1).png/revision/latest?cb=20120520203740 Montana post-yellowstone. |
22:14.57 | Hachiman | This is why preservation projects for flora and fauna are a good idea hur |
22:15.32 | Monet | When yellowstone blows it looks like it's goodbye burger country. |
22:15.54 | Ghel | The areas in yellow and orange will be mostly okay. |
22:16.02 | Ghel | Relatively. |
22:16.33 | Ghel | So the east coast will be best off. |
22:16.55 | Ghel | The west coast will get about an inch. |
22:16.57 | Monet | The msot dangerous thing ash does to the East Coast: The creation of even angrier New Yorkers. |
22:19.19 | Monet | Both coasts suffer an economic depression as ash-rain ruins everyones' coffee. |
22:20.13 | Monet | Actualyl maybe the opposite happens |
22:20.19 | Ghel | While people in the southernmost tips of Texas and Florida initially feel like they've just had a very mild flurry of snow. |
22:20.39 | Ghel | Slightly lava-tasting sprinkles on their coffee. |
22:21.35 | Monet | Maybe the Post-Yellowstone Maritine United States sees an economic boom as coffee, coca-cola and the like become the only sources of clean drinking water. |
22:24.23 | Ghel | The coffee-ruining ash-rain will have the more immediate impact. But afterwards the latter effect is likely to take place. |
22:24.34 | Monet | And then Starbucks installs itself as the Maritime California Water Department. |
22:25.16 | Ghel | The impression I get is that there's hardly any water left in California at the moment as it is, even without a supervolcano going off nearby. |
22:27.02 | Monet | It's because of all those 10,000 hectare sprinker-hydrated farms |
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22:30.39 | Ghel | Amongst other excesses of water usage, yes. |
22:34.14 | Monet_2 | "ALright everyone there's a water shortage going on" https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/shutterstock_75024991-web.jpg |
22:35.05 | Monet_2 | And yet in the UK the Thames Valley endures a hosepipe ban whenever the summer rainfall becomes less than expected. |
22:37.26 | Hachiman | hur |
22:37.26 | Ghel | Every few years as the regular British drought comes along, I watch as the hosepipe ban gets right up to the edge of my home county of Leicestershire... and then the nation is suddenly drenched with torrential rainfall. |
22:37.31 | Ghel | Happens every time. |
22:38.59 | Monet_2 | The hosepipe ban never affected my family. |
22:40.06 | Monet_2 | Well if this source is reliable this https://www.revealnews.org/article/9-sobering-facts-about-californias-groundwater-problem/ might explain the paradox of California suffering drought problems and yet has a large swathe of the state devoted to water-intensive farmland |
22:40.43 | Monet_2 | The long-and-short of it seems to be that California is relying more and more on pumped-up groundwater as the years go by. |
22:42.28 | Ghel | Also, it contributes so much food to the country that Yellowstone really would be a disaster. |
22:44.03 | Monet_2 | About half of all fruits, nuts and vegetables according to the LA times. |
22:44.37 | Monet_2 | I like how Californians decide that the middle of a desert is the best place to build a vineyard. |
22:45.23 | Monet_2 | I suddenly start to wonder. |
22:45.57 | Monet_2 | Everyone joked that Texas would have trouble supporting itself if it seceeded...what about California? |
22:46.48 | Monet_2 | California is an industrial, agricultural and technological leader in the United States. |
22:47.07 | Ghel | It's probably the whole tragedy of the commons; individual Californians thinking "If just make one farm for myself here, it's not going to cause any problems." |
22:47.12 | Monet_2 | And has a tendency to consider itself one of the most progressive states in the country. |
22:48.06 | Ghel | It may have to start importing water, but as a completely uneducated guess I imagine it could support itself for the most part. |
22:49.09 | Ghel | There are smaller, drier countries that are fairly affluent, like in the Middle East. |
22:49.41 | Monet_2 | I guess it makes sense now how in the Fallout franchise, California is one of the msot advanced nations in the known world. |
22:50.19 | Monet_2 | By the 2200s, the New California Republic has factories, governors, a presidency, regular elections, a standing army and its own form of paper currency. |
22:51.09 | drom | Hachiman: I noticed that how you've spared the monsters, it affects their career on the surface world |
22:52.22 | Monet_2 | The only other nation I ca nthink of that could compete with the New California Republic (at a guess) is the New England Commonwealth. |
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22:52.36 | Monet_2 | At least I think it's New England, it's centred in Massacheusets. |
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22:53.23 | Monet_2 | Come to think of it it's funny. |
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22:54.29 | Monet_2 | The most advanced nations in the fallout universe are located around where could once be found MIT and UCLA. |
22:56.57 | Monet_2 | Actually I'm going to bet the New England Commonwealth was founded by descendants of MIT graduates while the New California Republic thrived because its in California. |
22:58.27 | Monet_2 | Okay on second thoughts I don't think the NEC could compete. |
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22:59.53 | Monet_2 | While the COmmonwealth is Advanced, msot of the high technology is owned by "The Institute". Which itself is probably an evolution of MIT. |
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23:00.26 | Monet_2 | But its very secretive |
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23:08.23 | Wormy_ | Written my dissertation synopsis |
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23:13.26 | Wormy_ | Monet_2: Just realised where "Grimbol" might come front https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em4Yl8qIm9Q |
23:13.31 | Wormy_ | *from |
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23:16.21 | Wormy_ | hi |
23:16.27 | GD12 | Hey! |
23:17.38 | Monet_2 | Log time no see! |
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