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00:05.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hello again! |
00:05.20 | Lord-Raydon | Hello! |
00:06.44 | Lord-Raydon | Question: Is anyone here good at making flags and banners? I really want to remake my flag for the Raydoni, but I'm not artistically inclined. |
00:07.39 | DrodoEmpire | A few people here are yeah |
00:07.44 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Murray is good |
00:07.51 | DrodoEmpire | Monet as well I believe |
00:08.36 | Lord-Raydon | Ah, okay. |
00:08.56 | Lord-Raydon | Monet, would you be interested in helping me remake some flags? If you have the time, of course. |
00:09.26 | Monet | Possibly. |
00:10.48 | Monet | We could talk about what you need |
00:10.50 | Lord-Raydon | Great. I'd appreciate the help. |
00:10.56 | Lord-Raydon | Alright. |
00:14.39 | Lord-Raydon | I'm not wanted to totally remake them, mind you. It's just that they don't look really good since I've never been good at that sort of thing. |
00:15.04 | Lord-Raydon | The most I could ask is for you to make better looking versions of what I already made. |
00:15.32 | Lord-Raydon | And as far as know there's only two flags that I want to replac |
00:15.38 | Lord-Raydon | *replace |
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00:30.34 | drom | GRONK |
00:31.33 | Lord-Raydon | Uh, hi? |
00:32.37 | drom | GRONK |
00:33.22 | Lord-Raydon | Interesting. |
00:33.29 | drom | GRONK |
00:36.04 | DrodoEmpire | He's weird, don't worry |
00:36.04 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
00:38.07 | Lord-Raydon | Ah, okay. XD |
00:38.15 | drom | Shut up, Drodo |
00:38.25 | drom | I mean- GRONk |
00:40.57 | DrodoEmpire | 3: |
00:41.45 | drom | ~give DrodoEmpire a cookie |
00:41.47 | infobot | ACTION gives DrodoEmpire a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up. |
00:42.11 | Wormy_ | GRUNK |
00:42.41 | drom | GRONK |
00:47.01 | drom | In other news though, I'm happy to say that NS is moving their GQ debut to Bunsen Galaxy, in 32 000 BC. |
00:48.32 | drom | The consequnences? Their debut in Andromeda and Milky Way will be very likely to be moved to back in time. |
00:48.57 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh. |
00:51.25 | drom | I won't be unwinding their year of Cyrandi debut due to rules and reasons |
00:52.31 | Lord-Raydon | Dumb question, but what's the current year in the fictionverse? I can seem to find the current date. |
00:52.43 | Chantal71 | That reminds me of something. |
00:53.06 | drom | So if the consequenes affect your plans of interaction with my Nomatari Sovereignty fiction, feel free to tell me your plans so I'll be aware of such plans and attempt to integrate them |
00:53.41 | Chantal71 | A member of the SporeWiki Fiction Universe wanted to eventually colonise Phradox, and I might alos if the user carries on with that. Is it permitted? |
00:53.45 | DrodoEmpire | Lord-Raydon, it depends as weird as that sounds |
00:53.49 | DrodoEmpire | 2803 for most people |
00:53.59 | DrodoEmpire | Technically though, it *should* be 2811/12 |
00:54.09 | DrodoEmpire | But people are still doing events for 03/04 |
00:54.15 | drom | Lord-Raydon: 2804 if you pick the slowest trend, 2811 if you pick the fastest trend |
00:54.53 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
00:55.12 | Lord-Raydon | Ah, okay. I suppose that makes sense. Where would I go to find that out in the future? |
00:55.21 | DrodoEmpire | I'll fetch something |
00:55.41 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ATek0516- Buddy here made a clock |
00:55.55 | Chantal71 | Right, that application that gives you the time in the RP. |
00:55.59 | DrodoEmpire | Displays the date in real time in most of the calendars |
00:56.26 | drom | DrodoEmpire: Tek's clock shows the fastest trend or the very mainstream trend pre 2015 |
00:56.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
00:56.43 | Lord-Raydon | Huh, nifty. Thanks. :D |
00:57.00 | DrodoEmpire | A *lot* has been happening in 2015 so the timescale has unofficially slowed down |
00:57.04 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah |
00:57.15 | drom | I however made a clock too, that shows the slowest trend, aka the post 2015 trend for some. http://martinlyra.github.io/Ficlock/ |
00:57.22 | drom | Sadly, it isn't perfect |
00:57.36 | DrodoEmpire | Nah its cool |
00:58.16 | drom | No other capacities than show the real time. To time travel, I guess you have to adjust your system clock and then refresh the page, I've never tried that though |
00:58.27 | drom | showing* |
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01:09.02 | Chantal71 | Wait, in which RP year did the RP start? |
01:10.28 | DrodoEmpire | The fictionverse, and around the 2740's. |
01:11.06 | Lord-Raydon | Well at least I haven't missed too much time. |
01:11.16 | Lord-Raydon | I started in the 2790's |
01:25.32 | Chantal71 | KK. |
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01:34.25 | The_Randomness | Hello |
01:34.36 | Lord-Raydon | Hi |
01:36.25 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
01:40.39 | drom | Heyo |
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02:09.23 | Wormy__ | Radeon http://i.imgur.com/6LyUDrH.jpg |
02:09.47 | DrodoEmpire | ohgodno |
02:10.11 | The_Randomness | WutFace |
02:11.11 | Lord-Raydon | What is THAT |
02:11.21 | DrodoEmpire | http://ayylmao.rocks/ |
02:11.24 | DrodoEmpire | ayy |
02:11.39 | The_Randomness | nice mem |
02:11.41 | The_Randomness | e |
02:12.07 | drom | http://imgur.com/gallery/tNH3v |
02:12.24 | Wormy__ | http://imgur.com/gallery/K0U4K5x |
02:12.34 | drom | I lost all of my sides at this panel http://i.imgur.com/4lgl9N6.png |
02:13.21 | Wormy__ | http://imgur.com/gallery/jVuU1Jn |
02:14.36 | DrodoEmpire | darn |
02:14.47 | Wormy__ | http://imgur.com/gallery/1maI6a7 |
02:23.23 | drom | Gonna save this for later: http://i.imgur.com/uN6SVUn.webm |
02:23.33 | DrodoEmpire | ololol |
02:27.54 | drom | http://imgur.com/gallery/ikbrq |
02:29.03 | Monet | goodnight |
02:38.44 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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11:33.03 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:33.41 | Hachiman | Hi |
11:35.45 | Wormy_ | I hate this "copy my post if you want to stay being my friend" nonsense on Facebook |
11:36.24 | Wormy_ | Let the Wookiee win http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/chewbacca-detained-for-lack-of-id-while-driving-darth-vader-to-ukraine-election |
11:36.38 | Liquid_Ink | Why can't it just be a "I'm having a purge, comment if you want to survive" |
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13:34.08 | Wormy_ | "To a dog, mermaids are real." http://imgur.com/gallery/9ZvUcmF |
13:38.58 | OluapPlayer | Clever |
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14:14.30 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I've forgotten how cool Thunerbirds vehicles look http://pinktentacle.com/images/10/komatsuzaki_7_large.jpg |
14:14.37 | Wormy_ | Thunderbirds |
14:14.50 | Hachiman | Yeah Thunderbirds had rather stylistic vehicles |
14:16.36 | Wormy_ | I'm looking at whether they could actually fly - they can, as anything can, but how well? Thunderbird 2 may work with some adjustments, like a smoother lift body and without the wings |
14:20.45 | Wormy_ | I saw this when I was little and it was the most epic thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOCmI72eRh4 |
14:32.46 | Wormy_ | I like the style of sci-fi in the 60's to 70's (after atompunk), but before all this everything is an ipad fashion that has sucked in everything |
14:33.19 | Wormy_ | Its grittier and bulkier but it has more appeal to me |
14:33.35 | Wormy_ | and still looks like it could be fururistic |
14:33.43 | Wormy_ | *futuristic |
14:37.28 | Wormy_ | Example http://sfor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/chris_foss_travelling_cities.jpg http://www.artistsuk.co.uk/acatalog/mini-Icebergs_in_Space_Foss.JPG http://coolvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/chris-foss-3.jpg http://tinyurl.com/ocehyv6 |
14:38.36 | Wormy_ | Hey |
14:38.56 | Wormy_ | I didn't know Chris Foss (the artist of the above images) worked on Guardians of the Galaxy |
14:48.06 | Wormy_ | More http://visualmelt.com/Peter-Elson http://payload118.cargocollective.com/1/1/60195/4664446/jw20year20v20sci-fi20art20wall2007920-20tim20white.jpg https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1380403880i/785841.jpg |
14:48.42 | Wormy_ | These sorts of pictures are my principle inspiration for human ships in SporeWikiverse |
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15:03.41 | Jepardi | Hi |
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15:40.36 | The_MEOW_King | Ne: |
15:40.41 | The_MEOW_King | Hello* |
15:44.55 | HachiTop | Hi |
15:48.54 | The_MEOW_King | I would like to join the fiction universe. Any tips to make a good empire/fiction? |
15:51.56 | HachiTop | There is an official guide somewhere |
15:53.17 | HachiTop | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Good_Starter_Example This as a basis, avoid this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Bad_Starter_Example and have a read through this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines |
15:54.27 | The_MEOW_King | According to the Good starter example, creating a good faction doesn't looks very hard. |
15:54.51 | HachiTop | It is not hard so long as you have an idea in mind to stick to |
15:55.01 | The_MEOW_King | A little questions : Do pages have to follow a specifi layout? |
15:55.16 | The_MEOW_King | specific* |
15:56.07 | HachiTop | Not really but a majority of pages do |
15:56.36 | The_MEOW_King | Can I have a link to one of those pages? |
15:57.38 | HachiTop | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zoles_Imperium |
15:58.29 | The_MEOW_King | Okay, I see. |
15:58.42 | OluapPlayer | Ahem, that's my layout, which not everyone uses |
15:58.50 | OluapPlayer | You're free to structure your page as you see fit |
16:01.50 | The_MEOW_King | Okay, but most pages share a similar layout, with the "history" section, the "caracteristics" sections..., right? |
16:02.29 | HachiTop | They tend to yeah |
16:05.46 | Tek0516 | It varies by page but the general structure is usually the same |
16:05.51 | The_MEOW_King | I see |
16:06.25 | The_MEOW_King | I can't find the Tiers page anywhere, do you have a link to it? |
16:07.02 | Tek0516 | That's something that gets revamped constantly. I think it's somewhere on the forums. |
16:07.07 | HachiTop | I think Wormy might |
16:08.02 | Technobliterator | Pft |
16:08.09 | Technobliterator | That's my layout :o |
16:08.44 | Tek0516 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:192744 This might be the latest |
16:08.46 | Technobliterator | We can't actually enforce things like page layouts, so just follow whatever article you like and do that |
16:09.05 | Technobliterator | I use one I came up with for another wiki, I know Cyrannian uses one inspired by Wookieepedia |
16:11.17 | The_MEOW_King | I would like to know if what I have in mind is too overpowered or if it's fine |
16:12.00 | The_MEOW_King | An empire with around 250 systems, warp drive technology and a superweapon capable of destroying mars-sized planets, at the cost of high energy |
16:12.13 | Technobliterator | no such thing as overpowered if it stays within the rules |
16:12.14 | Technobliterator | :o |
16:12.28 | Technobliterator | but no, that's fine |
16:12.46 | Technobliterator | I personally would focus more on the backstory than on the technology |
16:12.52 | Technobliterator | but that's mostly because that's what I do |
16:14.14 | The_MEOW_King | Don't worry about the backstory, I got a LOT of stuff to say, so it won't be empty |
16:16.30 | Wormy_ | Hi |
16:17.44 | Wormy_ | The_MEOW_King: What would be the method of planetary destruction? |
16:18.26 | Tek0516 | The superweapon is a little extreme |
16:18.34 | Wormy_ | If its anything like the Death Star's superlaser, it will push the tier up a long way, but doesn't mean you can't have such things. |
16:19.57 | The_MEOW_King | The canon would generate a tredenmous shock wave and propel it toward the planet, almost instantly melting the surface and upper mantle, leaving a barren consisting of the former lower mantle and the core. The planet's remnants would be covered in a static electricity field for several Earth months, greatly impeding any landing |
16:20.23 | The_MEOW_King | It doesn't blow the planet up, but instead strips away the crust and the upper mantle |
16:21.38 | The_MEOW_King | The shockwave would eject the electrons from the atom's nucleis, turning the crust into plasma, which is then blown away by a second shockwave |
16:22.11 | The_MEOW_King | Anything directly behind the planet is greatly damaged by the plasma created. |
16:22.24 | HachiTop | Sounds like an awful lot of resources to waste on destroying a planet which could offer more resources instead |
16:22.36 | The_MEOW_King | Its for EXTREME cases |
16:22.49 | Wormy_ | Since its a vacuum, the shockwave would have to be electromagnetic, i.e. a superlaser. But a big kinetic impact on the other hand, would strip the crust and melt upper portions of the mantle |
16:23.00 | The_MEOW_King | It is electromagnetic |
16:23.03 | HachiTop | brb |
16:23.31 | The_MEOW_King | It's only used in extreme cases, as a last ressort |
16:24.49 | Wormy_ | I imagine it would be a weapon for show, more than anything - since vapourising a planet's crust and upper mantle does take nearly supernova level energies |
16:25.00 | The_MEOW_King | Yep |
16:25.12 | Wormy_ | That's if it was turned into plasma |
16:25.19 | The_MEOW_King | Pretty much like the nuclear weapon today, it's used as a "Don't attack me or I blast your planet" |
16:25.49 | The_MEOW_King | (even if the tredemous amount of power needed makes it hard to fire) |
16:26.10 | Wormy_ | That does sound a bit OP to me, especially if you don't want such a high tier. Not the planet cracking part, but the turning the crust to *plasma* part |
16:26.25 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmm you are right. |
16:26.37 | The_MEOW_King | Better idea : |
16:26.43 | The_MEOW_King | Instead of turning the crust into plasma |
16:27.25 | Wormy_ | However, that would be unnecessary, when it is much easier to blow up the planet's crust and melt the upper mantle using superlasers, or more efficiently, a huge impactor |
16:28.23 | The_MEOW_King | It causes large cracks in the crust, then the second shockwaves blows the cracked crust away |
16:28.44 | Wormy_ | That sounds far more feasible |
16:28.47 | The_MEOW_King | The upper mantle is then melted away using an high-energy laser |
16:29.20 | HachiAway | But why |
16:29.20 | Wormy_ | I imagine without the adequate pressure, the mantle would melt anyway |
16:29.20 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
16:29.21 | HachiAway | Blowing away the crust is enough to destroy most traces of civilisation anyway |
16:29.27 | The_MEOW_King | Right |
16:29.29 | HachiAway | And cause untold ecological side-affects |
16:29.39 | The_MEOW_King | So the canon would only blow the crust away |
16:29.57 | The_MEOW_King | leaving the molten mantle exposed |
16:30.54 | Wormy_ | http://cdn0.cosmosmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/20110324_meteor_hr.jpg |
16:30.57 | Wormy_ | Like this |
16:31.40 | The_MEOW_King | yep |
16:31.48 | Wormy_ | A few shots of that, and you will kill the rest of the planet as molten rock spews into orbit and smothers the planet in fire |
16:32.05 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah! |
16:32.26 | The_MEOW_King | But the weapon, as I said, requires a LOT of power |
16:32.38 | Wormy_ | And it does the job, without needing supernova-level energies to turn everything into plasma, you might as well have blown the planet up |
16:33.30 | Wormy_ | If it was a directed energy weapon, yes it would be at a huge cost |
16:33.58 | Wormy_ | But throwing asteroids or projectiles at high velocity, would be less so |
16:34.45 | The_MEOW_King | But, there is an advantage to the energy weapon : |
16:34.58 | The_MEOW_King | The remains are covered with a very strong magnetic field, and |
16:35.14 | The_MEOW_King | this magnetic field is so powerful that it can disable ships around the planet |
16:35.23 | Wormy_ | You mention that your fiction has warp drive technology, well, if the projectile is placed outside the warp bubblem and then fired, you have yourself a high velocity projectile that can do the same thing |
16:36.38 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmmm |
16:37.42 | The_MEOW_King | I still prefer using an energy-based weapon, as the magnetic field effect can be useful |
16:38.14 | The_MEOW_King | and the beam's power can be lowered |
16:38.29 | The_MEOW_King | so it can be used against incoming enemy fleets |
16:42.15 | The_MEOW_King | What tier do you think my fiction should be? |
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16:48.31 | Wormy_ | They sound either very high Tier 4, or 3 |
16:48.57 | The_MEOW_King | One last question : Is there a common calendar of some sorts, or can I make up my own? |
16:49.02 | Wormy_ | I made a *huge* list (over years) of different estimated sci-fi factions, it might give you an idea http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Tier_Scale_V3 |
16:49.15 | Wormy_ | The stripped down tier scale is on the thread Tek posted |
16:49.42 | Wormy_ | There is a common calendar, and you can make your own. Many of us use our own |
16:50.09 | Wormy_ | Its currently the 29th century, 280-something |
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16:51.06 | Wormy_ | hi |
16:51.44 | Xho | Afternooneveningwhenever |
16:51.48 | The_MEOW_King | I guess I should make my fiction around Tier 3.5 |
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16:52.09 | The_MEOW_King | Between 4 and 3.5 |
16:52.28 | The_MEOW_King | And type II on the kardashev scale |
16:52.53 | Xho | ups |
16:53.34 | OluapPlayer | spu |
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16:55.12 | Wormy_ | That's a good place to start on the tier scale |
16:58.09 | Wormy_ | bbl |
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17:00.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
17:00.25 | The_MEOW_King | Hello |
17:04.15 | The_MEOW_King | Is speaking about the way a specie reproduce in a fiction allowed? |
17:04.26 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
17:04.28 | Xho | Science is science |
17:04.46 | The_MEOW_King | Okay |
17:05.06 | The_MEOW_King | Also, how active is the fiction universe? |
17:05.09 | The_MEOW_King | Like, very active? |
17:05.19 | OluapPlayer | Fairly active |
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17:06.41 | OluapPlayer | Xho Hachiman: Can I get you two for the next Borealis section? |
17:06.57 | Hachiman | Suppose so |
17:09.32 | OluapPlayer | Xho: blah |
17:09.40 | Xho | Sorry I'm kinda busy |
17:09.45 | OluapPlayer | fug |
17:09.57 | OluapPlayer | Another day then |
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17:11.57 | Wormy_away | Ghelae: Installing Maya 2016. It has new simulation tools http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/duncan/simplicity_to_complexity |
17:12.27 | OluapPlayer | ruskie |
17:12.33 | Wormy_away | Unlike many physics engines used in games and animation, Autodesk have pushed in the direction of more accurate physics-based design |
17:13.33 | Imperios | Well that new expansion certainly was peculiar |
17:16.11 | Ghelae | Wormy_away: The pictures aren't showing for me. But based on the text it looks like there's a fair amount you can do with it. |
17:16.15 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hysteria new story underway |
17:16.22 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Confirm the characters you're gonna use pls |
17:16.46 | Wormy_away | Indeed |
17:19.41 | Imperios | Wait wait wait |
17:19.44 | Imperios | Spheres of "Something" |
17:19.50 | Imperios | What do |
17:19.58 | Imperios | Will there be Bing Bong too |
17:20.32 | Wormy_away | I read that as " Will there be Big Bong too" |
17:20.46 | OluapPlayer | The hell is a Bing Bong |
17:20.54 | Imperios | Inside Out |
17:20.59 | Imperios | That elephant guy |
17:21.06 | Hachiman | What the fuck are you talking about |
17:21.19 | OluapPlayer | Yeah I'm equally lost |
17:22.15 | OluapPlayer | You'll learn what the Spheres are when we get to that point |
17:22.18 | OluapPlayer | Now confirm chars pls |
17:22.18 | Imperios | Oh so it's not based on Inside Out |
17:22.20 | Imperios | alright |
17:22.36 | Imperios | Javi I guess |
17:22.46 | Imperios | Actually now I have the way to use Feli as well |
17:22.55 | OluapPlayer | Just the two of them? |
17:23.26 | Imperios | Well there is also the chance to use Latar |
17:23.34 | OluapPlayer | What about Lekren? |
17:24.15 | Imperios | Not sure if he'd fit |
17:24.23 | Imperios | And having too many characters is always a bad idea |
17:25.06 | Imperios | I only feel like adding a character if I know he or she can contribute somehow to the plotline |
17:25.20 | OluapPlayer | I forgot to comment before, but the plot involves counterparts to people Clothovera has met, exaggerated by the way she sees them on her mind |
17:25.26 | OluapPlayer | Kinda like Tantum's Dreamy enemies |
17:25.40 | OluapPlayer | Except not all of them are enemies in this case |
17:26.19 | Imperios | There must be a Downfall-esque Javina then hur |
17:26.41 | OluapPlayer | Clotho's Javina will be an inhabitant of the Sphere of Wrath |
17:26.49 | OluapPlayer | That should indicate a bit how she's like hur |
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17:27.51 | OluapPlayer | Even if you don't add Lekren I still want to have Clotho's interpretation of him show up at some point |
17:28.07 | OluapPlayer | mainly because it was one of the first "psycho" versions I came up with in my mind |
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17:29.41 | Jepardi | Hi |
17:29.55 | Imperios | I could add him but I'll have to think of his motivations there and how he could contribute |
17:30.07 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://2ch.hk/vg/src/12746713/14458644502240.jpg |
17:30.20 | OluapPlayer | Liking Clothovera is enough motivation |
17:30.23 | Hachiman | hur |
17:30.27 | OluapPlayer | I don't know how much he cares for her |
17:30.45 | OluapPlayer | I'm just saying there will be Psycho versions of characters in the story even if they're not part of the team |
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17:32.13 | Hachiman | Consider that Ophellatar and Clotho have not met as often as Lekren |
17:32.13 | Imperios | My problem is that with Lekren I can't think of any interesting stuff |
17:32.29 | Imperios | He's just an alchemist with an inferiority complex |
17:32.56 | OluapPlayer | So you have a problem with the character himself then |
17:32.56 | Hachiman | And Ophellatar is a loon with a rock, I find Lekren far more appropriate for the story |
17:37.52 | Imperios | A loon fits when one is about to become a loon |
17:38.26 | Hachiman | Not when Ophellatar isn't even Clotho's friend |
17:38.40 | Hachiman | She's a complete stranger |
17:38.59 | Imperios | I am not sure if Lekren is her friend either |
17:39.39 | OluapPlayer | Arguably none of your characters are friends with Clotho, not even Javina |
17:39.55 | OluapPlayer | Yet they've been together in adventures so many times you'd expect them to have at least some extent of care |
17:40.23 | Imperios | Hm |
17:59.54 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10343044_10152643012413851_3707305286777435319_n.png?oh=5c46fcbf64e62211442310d158fb7251&oe=56C2E7EA So have some daily dose of retarded on behalf of a teenage white girl on my Facebook |
18:01.57 | Hachiman | Oh God there is a whole series of these |
18:03.15 | OluapPlayer | Absolute madmen |
18:04.27 | Imperios | Brilliant logic |
18:05.42 | Hachiman | "#YesAllWomen because I was taught to scream "fire" instead of "rape" because it increases the chance of someone coming to help" "When a man says no in this culture, it's the end of a discussion. When a women says no, it's the beginning of a negotiation." |
18:07.34 | Hachiman | "'#YesAllWomen because we live in a society where we teach women how to avoid rape, but don't teach men self control." "#YesAllWomen because some women weren't even women yet when they first began experiencing misogyny." "Because we are told "boys will be boys" - as if men can't and shouldn't take responsibility for their actions." |
18:07.49 | OluapPlayer | stop ls |
18:07.50 | Xho | nah |
18:07.51 | OluapPlayer | pls |
18:08.19 | Hachiman | "Because women are told not to let men treat them as objects, but no one teaches men that women are not toys #YesAllWomen" |
18:08.22 | Hachiman | And that's it |
18:11.17 | OluapPlayer | Bah I'm bored |
18:13.15 | Xho | Guess I can do that Borealis thing now |
18:13.31 | Hachiman | I can't right now |
18:13.53 | Xho | bah |
18:15.10 | Imperios | Hachiman: They need to get laid |
18:15.13 | OluapPlayer | i must break u |
18:20.07 | Imperios | "When a man says no in this culture, it's the end of a discussion. When a women says no, it's the beginning of a negotiation." |
18:20.09 | Imperios | That's actually odd |
18:20.16 | Imperios | Because when you say it as a joke it's funny |
18:20.25 | Hachiman | Because it's also false |
18:20.27 | Imperios | When you say it as a statement it's kind of offensive |
18:20.57 | Hachiman | In my experience, women are far more inclined to negotiate than men |
18:21.11 | Imperios | But women are more likely to choose |
18:22.33 | Imperios | Negotiation is not the same as manipulation |
18:22.35 | Hachiman | I find women too manipulative and deceitful in my experience |
18:23.32 | Hachiman | Not all of them, but many I know |
18:24.06 | Imperios | Duh |
18:24.11 | OluapPlayer | Hysteria is all a manipulation by Clotho to make the guys buy her many new pairs of shoes |
18:24.29 | Imperios | That's why I consider Sun Tzu to be my favourite romance writer |
18:25.41 | Xho | wat |
18:26.08 | Hachiman | Eh |
18:26.31 | Hachiman | You will have to excuse me but I do not recall Sun Tzu being a romance writer hur |
18:26.52 | OluapPlayer | I'm pretty sure he's making a joke |
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18:27.05 | OluapPlayer | "hurhur my favorite romance book is the Art of War" |
18:27.06 | Imperios | He wrote about how to feign weakness, to manipulate and to appear what you really are not |
18:27.15 | Monet | Hi |
18:27.23 | Imperios | Which is fitting because the real me is pretty ew |
18:27.25 | Imperios | Hi Mon |
18:27.26 | Hachiman | Hi Monet |
18:27.36 | OluapPlayer | We are all ew to some description |
18:27.46 | Hachiman | Except me because fuck you bitches lol |
18:27.53 | OluapPlayer | Shut up hobo hair |
18:27.55 | Imperios | You are worse than ew |
18:28.05 | Imperios | Speaking of (social) justice |
18:28.07 | Hachiman | >imblygn hobo hair is not a trait of virtue |
18:28.13 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/50/Royal_Justicar.png/revision/latest?cb=20151027182116 Finally got a name for them |
18:28.20 | Hachiman | Jesus is depicted as having long hair |
18:28.37 | OluapPlayer | Jesus isn't depicted as having a bird nest for hair |
18:28.49 | Xho | rekt |
18:29.31 | OluapPlayer | That's a good model but when I look at the mask, I can only imagine "[screams internally]" |
18:30.14 | Hachiman | Reminds me of the Immortals from 300 |
18:30.36 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/1509006_1862671610422556_3979852677883498358_n.png?oh=5c3e77bee91c54e5a380e76fdf19ac59&oe=56B77618 |
18:30.39 | OluapPlayer | >elves CAN'T WAKE UP |
18:31.19 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyPfrbJKMpg Devin Townsend ladies and mentlegen |
18:31.39 | Hachiman | *djentlemen |
18:31.54 | Xho | mentledjen |
18:32.01 | Imperios | Oh and they also have guns in addition to halberds |
18:32.10 | OluapPlayer | >guns |
18:32.12 | OluapPlayer | [TRIGGERED] |
18:32.17 | Hachiman | fuk off |
18:32.28 | Hachiman | It's like you never listened to justifications for arquebuses |
18:32.42 | OluapPlayer | I don't even know what that is |
18:32.44 | Imperios | http://imgix.scout.com/151/1517589.jpg Like this |
18:32.46 | OluapPlayer | I was also joking you dense shit hur |
18:32.56 | Imperios | Arquebus is ye olde gun |
18:32.57 | Xho | dens |
18:33.02 | Imperios | Samurai used them |
18:33.04 | Imperios | So it's legit |
18:33.15 | Hachiman | Aye |
18:33.26 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnzNuhKpZbs |
18:33.33 | Hachiman | And as exampled by Oda Nobunaga, you can survive them |
18:33.38 | OluapPlayer | Samurai are ghey cus hachi likes them |
18:34.02 | Imperios | Well they were ghey |
18:34.06 | Imperios | Some of them |
18:34.50 | Hachiman | I also like you so by proxy you're ghey |
18:34.55 | Monet | Well to be fair a musket with a bayonet attached is a lot like a spear. |
18:35.34 | OluapPlayer | but i am ghey for you that's kinda public knowledge by now |
18:35.51 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "Hello darkness my old friend" |
18:35.54 | Xho | Very true |
18:35.55 | Imperios | Monet: The bayonet was an evolution of the pike and shot formation |
18:36.07 | Imperios | You had people with guns and people with pikes |
18:36.14 | Imperios | Then someone realised you can have gunpikes |
18:36.26 | Monet | Yeah. |
18:36.42 | Hachiman | Ngh these fucking foreign students have not come back yet |
18:36.50 | Hachiman | They were supposed to be in at 18:30 |
18:37.04 | Xho | Shiarchon - y not magic staffs lol |
18:37.05 | Hachiman | It is not 18:37 and no sign of them yet |
18:37.10 | Hachiman | now even |
18:37.28 | OluapPlayer | All-Knowing - yus staffs like moi |
18:37.41 | Imperios | You're like that Japanese exchange student we have |
18:37.44 | Xho | Shiarchon - meh similar principle |
18:37.45 | Hachiman | This is truly and utterly unacceptable, this is why I do not get involved with students |
18:38.15 | Imperios | "Fuckingu French notu worukingu and not studyingu" |
18:38.22 | OluapPlayer | You're a lil bitch you know that |
18:38.23 | Hachiman | I take them to their coach stop on time and they do not have the decency to return on time |
18:38.57 | OluapPlayer | Shouldn't you be glad they're not around? |
18:39.14 | Hachiman | No because that means I have to listen for them because my mother is working |
18:39.21 | Hachiman | Which means I cannot listen to stuff |
18:39.48 | Imperios | Then again maybe they shouldn't have guns |
18:39.54 | Imperios | I imagine shooting with masks is uncomfortable |
18:40.12 | OluapPlayer | Doesn't stop the Pyro |
18:40.44 | Xho | Mmmph |
18:40.50 | OluapPlayer | Hudda |
18:40.54 | Hachiman | We can afford some stylism |
18:41.16 | Monet | Well it's a little uncomofortable shooting a rifle in full armour. |
18:41.24 | Hachiman | Space Marines |
18:41.30 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11846572_689607017841168_2853625954180739128_n.jpg?oh=13da325bd82a4968f38d7285b344c659&oe=56D1CAC8&__gda__=1455182356_c0f5342562fc46046cf00e519d207091 |
18:41.32 | OluapPlayer | have tiny pea heads |
18:41.39 | Monet | Space Merine Bolters don't have stocks. |
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18:42.08 | Hachiman | Nonetheless it should not matter too much |
18:42.33 | Monet | And yeah, a metal mask is going to affect your aim; Marines get away with it because they have HUD vision. |
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18:44.28 | Hachiman | Tell that to Samurai |
18:45.04 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Ashigaru_using_shields_%28tate%29.jpg Gunsamurai did not have masks it seems |
18:45.40 | OluapPlayer | The one on the far left has a face like "I have no idea how I got here" |
18:45.52 | Hachiman | To be fair sword fighting with face-covering helmets and masks and such has a similar effect yet the Fantasyverse has them |
18:45.56 | Hachiman | And in real life as well |
18:46.06 | Xho | Wait are Ashigaru the same as Samurai |
18:46.13 | Hachiman | No |
18:46.17 | Xho | Thought not |
18:46.18 | Hachiman | Ashigaru are not Samurai |
18:46.29 | Hachiman | Ashigaru are the Imperial Guard to the Samurai's Space Marines |
18:46.31 | Xho | Ashigaru translates to footsoldier as far as I'm aware |
18:46.53 | OluapPlayer | Ashigaru are normal people. Samurai have tiny gross heads |
18:47.01 | Xho | dur |
18:47.10 | Xho | Chaos Space Marines are...Ronin thn? |
18:47.12 | Xho | then? |
18:47.17 | Hachiman | Kinda |
18:47.39 | OluapPlayer | Samurai who were DISONOURABRU |
18:47.41 | Xho | See when I hear Chaos Space Marine I just think Dominion soldiers because formless crazy |
18:47.57 | OluapPlayer | Chaos Marines are not formless though |
18:48.04 | OluapPlayer | Most of them are crazy at least |
18:48.09 | Hachiman | Only Tzeentchian stuff tends to be formless |
18:48.09 | Xho | That works |
18:48.27 | Xho | Isn't the whole Chaos theme consistent in both Warhammer settings |
18:48.33 | Hachiman | And Tzeentch can go fuck himself with his "hurdur jus ass blanned :DDD" bullshit |
18:48.36 | Monet_2 | Well depends how insane Dominion soldiers are. |
18:48.36 | Hachiman | Yes |
18:48.42 | Xho | See I know things |
18:48.48 | Xho | Monet_2: Not that insane really |
18:48.51 | OluapPlayer | Spurdo Sparde, Chaos God of Benin |
18:49.05 | Xho | The Samut'angar and co however, well yeah |
18:49.09 | Monet_2 | Khornate soldiers will shoot you, but they'll also be screaming "BLOOD, DEATH, KILL" |
18:49.09 | Xho | Absolute madmen |
18:49.26 | Hachiman | Except non because not all Khornates are like that |
18:49.28 | OluapPlayer | Demons can't really be given the same psychic attributes as normals |
18:49.37 | OluapPlayer | normal people even |
18:49.44 | Hachiman | At least, there was a time not all Khornates were like that because fuck Matt Ward |
18:50.03 | Xho | There aren't that many coherent Samut'angar |
18:50.17 | Monet_2 | Khornate berserkers yeah. Definitely screaming blood and death. |
18:50.34 | OluapPlayer | There aren't any real insane Corruptus Demons |
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18:50.41 | OluapPlayer | Perpetually angry yeah, but not insane |
18:50.46 | The_MEOW_King | Hello |
18:50.50 | OluapPlayer | A Malcaeum would consider being calm as a form of insanity |
18:51.04 | Xho | Rethex-Kal, Zanu-Pax and Alsium-Ali are probably the only sentient types of Samut'angar |
18:51.36 | Xho | Sihai-Jia perhaps as well |
18:51.48 | Xho | The rest are all comparatively animalistic |
18:52.07 | OluapPlayer | Would be a lot easier to judge if they had a paeg |
18:52.09 | OluapPlayer | which dey dunt |
18:52.11 | OluapPlayer | MAEK PAEG |
18:52.26 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASamut'angar |
18:52.36 | OluapPlayer | MAEK |
18:52.42 | Xho | it is maek |
18:52.52 | OluapPlayer | dunt fiddle with me boi |
18:53.01 | Xho | but it is maek |
18:53.18 | The_MEOW_King | Can I ask a question? |
18:53.38 | OluapPlayer | Shoot |
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18:54.40 | Hachiman | "Samut'angar" sounds like a Scotsmen trying to say "something angry" |
18:54.49 | The_MEOW_King | When a fiction taking place in a galaxy is created, is the map updated with the fiction's territories? |
18:55.21 | OluapPlayer | No, maps are made by users |
18:55.31 | Xho | Hachiman: https://www.facebook.com/GokuAndNaruto/videos/938077969620893/?permPage=1 |
18:55.54 | Hachiman | Ohgod |
18:56.02 | Hachiman | Super Saiyan Cena |
18:56.10 | Xho | supa cena-jin |
18:56.28 | OluapPlayer | is shit |
18:57.15 | Monet | The_MEOW_King: You have to add the territory yourself. |
18:58.07 | The_MEOW_King | So for example I take this map : http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ad/Milky_Way_Map.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20140805052042 and add my territory on it? |
18:58.27 | The_MEOW_King | (Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions but I don't want to do any errors) |
18:58.48 | OluapPlayer | That or you can ask someone else, tupically the map's author, to do it for you |
18:58.56 | OluapPlayer | typically even |
18:59.21 | Monet | Just try to bear scale in mind. |
18:59.47 | Monet | The largest factions on those maps have territories consisting of millions of settled star systems. |
19:00.03 | The_MEOW_King | So I guess 250 systems wouldn't be visible, right? |
19:00.23 | Monet | Probably not. |
19:00.48 | Monet | Maybe a handful of pixels |
19:01.15 | The_MEOW_King | For example, the "France" empire on the map, how large is it? |
19:02.56 | OluapPlayer | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46_uKUzKCs SITTING HERE |
19:02.58 | Monet | Not sure on that one. |
19:03.21 | Xho | MY god |
19:04.01 | The_MEOW_King | How often do the fiction universe gets new users? |
19:04.16 | OluapPlayer | Not very often |
19:04.38 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11742753_869865833108008_442253503733999880_n.jpg?oh=b5dbc95b8069b3c923d9256a7e0387e1&oe=56B9FCEF The fucking bottom comment |
19:04.43 | Ghelae | On the map of the Milky Way: the Milky Way is about 100,000 light-years wide, and the map is a little over 1000 pixels wide, so it's about 1000 ly per pixel. |
19:04.49 | Ghelae | 100 ly per pixel* |
19:04.56 | OluapPlayer | New people generally leave some days after arriving |
19:05.43 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmmm |
19:06.06 | The_MEOW_King | So its 10000 ly² per pixel |
19:06.17 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
19:06.56 | Ghelae | 250 systems isn't going to show up at all. |
19:07.07 | The_MEOW_King | Now to figure out how much systems per pixel |
19:07.34 | Ghelae | Say 250 billion stars over 1000x1000 pixels. |
19:07.43 | Ghelae | So 250,000 systems per pixel. |
19:08.38 | The_MEOW_King | Oh my |
19:09.27 | Monet | Yeah the galaxy is *big* |
19:09.27 | The_MEOW_King | Do you have to own all the stars in a region to own said region? |
19:09.32 | Ghelae | No. |
19:09.53 | The_MEOW_King | Lets say I want an empire 10x10 pixels large |
19:10.12 | Ghelae | If you're going to consider planetary colonisation alone, hospitable systems are realistically going to be fairly rare. |
19:10.18 | The_MEOW_King | There is 25,000,000 stars in that area |
19:10.28 | The_MEOW_King | How many of them do I have to colonize to own that area? |
19:10.47 | Ghelae | There's no real rule on the matter. |
19:11.10 | Ghelae | If you have systems spread out across that entire space, and nobody else claims the same region, then it's fairly unambiguously yours. |
19:12.45 | The_MEOW_King | A 10x10 pixels empire would be enough for my fiction, so I can just claim an empty region of space for it, right? |
19:13.16 | Ghelae | So 250 stars in 25 million is an average one one per 100,000 colonised. It seems hugely inefficient to have such a low density of colonisation, but I see no other problems with it. |
19:13.41 | The_MEOW_King | I think I will add a little more stars to my fiction |
19:13.57 | The_MEOW_King | 25 000 000 stars... |
19:14.07 | Ghelae | The best thing to do is actually get your fiction written and well-established before thinking about adding it to maps. |
19:14.30 | The_MEOW_King | That's what I'm doing |
19:14.31 | OluapPlayer | Yup |
19:14.39 | Monet | We have something of a cap on 20,000,000 colonisedstar systems. |
19:14.43 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
19:14.52 | The_MEOW_King | My fiction's race breathes carbon dioxyde |
19:15.30 | The_MEOW_King | So they seek planets with something like 50% carbon dioxyde and 50% Nitrogen |
19:15.31 | Monet | But due to the Drake equation, we're looking at maybe 0.01-5% of 25,000,000 being close to habitable. |
19:15.52 | The_MEOW_King | Let's say 2% |
19:16.07 | The_MEOW_King | 1% of 25 000 000 is 250 000 |
19:16.14 | The_MEOW_King | So its 500 000 |
19:16.21 | The_MEOW_King | Isn't that a little too much? |
19:16.34 | Ghelae | Hmm. Breathing carbon dioxide doesn't strike me as being a biochemically efficient thing to do. |
19:16.45 | Monet | As Ghel said, the likelihood of finding Earthlike planets is small. |
19:16.46 | Ghelae | Also, the cap on systems isn't something I can remember anybody caring about in recent times. |
19:17.00 | Ghelae | Although if a new user decides to go above that number it's likely to raise alarm bells. |
19:17.03 | Monet | Kepler's search range is about 100,000 stars isn't it? |
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19:17.53 | Xho | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png/revision/latest?cb=20150930013606 Updated to reflect the recent fantasyverse story |
19:17.55 | Ghelae | I'm not sure, but probably something like that. |
19:17.58 | The_MEOW_King | My specie absorbs carbon dioxyde, then separate the carbon atoms from the oxygen atoms, then somehow use the carbon as a source of energy |
19:18.14 | The_MEOW_King | And they reject oxygen |
19:18.26 | WoodPulp | Like plants? |
19:18.29 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
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19:18.51 | WoodPulp | So the carbon turns into glucose, which is what they use for energy |
19:18.55 | Xho | And now the Shiarchon will bridge the territories together, like, with a 1 mile buffer zone that travels 9000 miles |
19:18.56 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
19:18.59 | WoodPulp | Or some other sugar |
19:19.04 | OluapPlayer | Orayu - fuk off pls |
19:19.10 | Monet_2 | So far the confirmed exoplanet count is something like 1602. But I tihnk less than 50 of those are deemed Earthlike. |
19:19.25 | Hachiman | Sovereignty - fuk off |
19:19.32 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmm |
19:19.38 | Ghelae | The way you use chemical reactions for energy is by oxidising or reducing them. |
19:19.41 | OluapPlayer | The straightest line I can make passes between both the Merovar and the Idkin |
19:20.01 | Xho | Julianus - pax dryadalum or should i say dai all of u |
19:20.09 | The_MEOW_King | We can assume that the likehood of fiding a planet suitable for them is around... |
19:20.12 | Ghelae | Seperating carbon from oxygen is going to take energy to reduce the carbon, and that's what happens in photosynthesis: solar energy is basically used to split the molecules. |
19:20.17 | OluapPlayer | Merovar - buy our shit Idkin - EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
19:20.39 | The_MEOW_King | But instead of using solar energy |
19:20.46 | The_MEOW_King | they will use the energy from nutrients and food |
19:20.54 | WoodPulp | Hmm |
19:20.58 | Hachiman | The Sovereignty was not so concerned about the Shiarchon before |
19:21.01 | The_MEOW_King | As their organs only needs the carbon |
19:21.02 | Ghelae | And then another part of the planet's biochemistry then has to turn carbon and oxygen back into CO2, and that will release energy. |
19:21.05 | Hachiman | Now they alarm bells going off |
19:21.10 | OluapPlayer | That map is still outdated |
19:21.15 | WoodPulp | That seems like a roundabout and inefficient method of producing energy |
19:21.17 | Xho | Julianus - welcome to ded i b ur guide |
19:21.18 | Hachiman | their even |
19:21.19 | OluapPlayer | The Sovereignty is still called Sovereign in it |
19:21.44 | Ghelae | You've also not described how they produce energy. It seems you're now saying that they don't get their energy from CO2, but from elsewhere in their food. |
19:21.49 | Xho | I would be infinitely more concerned about the Insomnolence however |
19:21.52 | Xho | Spoiler alert |
19:21.55 | The_MEOW_King | Well |
19:22.17 | The_MEOW_King | My species' vital organs, like the heart, needs pure carbon |
19:22.25 | The_MEOW_King | They somehow turns it into energy |
19:22.26 | Hachiman | Pure carbon |
19:22.28 | Hachiman | So dirt |
19:22.35 | The_MEOW_King | Or diamonds |
19:22.43 | The_MEOW_King | :O |
19:22.54 | Xho | Then again the Shiarchon presence in Talmyr is much much much worse than it appears at a first glance |
19:22.55 | WoodPulp | How we (humans) get energy is by turning glucose and oxygen into CO2 and water |
19:22.58 | Ghelae | "Somehow turns pure carbon into energy" isn't going to work, chemically speaking. Unless you react it with oxygen to form CO2, or perhaps reduce it with hydrogen to form methane. |
19:23.02 | Xho | And it's already terrifying enough as it is |
19:23.02 | WoodPulp | Plants do the opposite |
19:23.11 | The_MEOW_King | Hydrogen? |
19:23.32 | WoodPulp | As fuel? |
19:23.41 | WoodPulp | Too explosive |
19:23.44 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmm |
19:23.49 | Ghelae | Generically, what you need is to have some chemical that you obtain from food, and oxidise or reduce it with some other substance e.g. a gas. Oxygen is good at oxidising, hydrogen is good at reducing. |
19:24.08 | The_MEOW_King | And the oxidising produces energy? |
19:24.11 | Ghelae | And hydrogen being explosive isn't a problem. This would be a biochemical pathway that takes place in a low-oxygen atmosphere. |
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19:24.19 | WoodPulp | Yes. Lots |
19:24.20 | OluapPlayer_ | Fucking goddamnit |
19:24.24 | The_MEOW_King | Then... |
19:24.27 | Ghelae | Whether oxidation or reduction produces energy depends on the reaction. |
19:24.30 | OluapPlayer_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxLdAANIh0 ward the Shiarchon away by playing this at them |
19:24.32 | The_MEOW_King | Okay |
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19:24.44 | The_MEOW_King | Lets say they get the carbon dioxyde |
19:24.45 | WoodPulp | Ok fine |
19:24.45 | Ghelae | But it does for, e.g. oxidising glucose. |
19:24.47 | Monet | Dum adapter keeps turning itself off. |
19:24.48 | The_MEOW_King | breathe it |
19:24.53 | Hachiman | Not gonna lie, I wanna see Shiarchon half-elves hur |
19:25.19 | OluapPlayer_ | So half-skeletons |
19:25.24 | The_MEOW_King | Separate it from oxygen using the energy found in food |
19:25.38 | The_MEOW_King | And use the oxygen to oxidise it and produce energy |
19:25.46 | The_MEOW_King | More energy than what it took to separate |
19:25.52 | Ghelae | That's not going to happen. |
19:25.56 | The_MEOW_King | Aw |
19:26.00 | WoodPulp | Not how chemistry works, bro |
19:26.06 | WoodPulp | Entropy |
19:26.17 | Hachiman | Young Shiarchon have flesh if I recall hur |
19:26.18 | Ghelae | You aren't going to get more energy from carbon + oxygen -> carbon dioxide than it takes go carbon dioxide -> carbon + oxygen. |
19:26.23 | OluapPlayer_ | Yes |
19:26.24 | OluapPlayer_ | Young |
19:26.26 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
19:26.27 | Ghelae | It's not entropy. Conservation of energy, really. |
19:26.28 | The_MEOW_King | seems legit |
19:26.35 | Xho | Kalarah too hur |
19:26.49 | Xho | Shiarchon - what the fuck is this new age shit |
19:26.59 | Ghelae | But the point is, one reaction backwards is the same as the other forwards, so everything that happens is just exactly backwards. |
19:27.00 | WoodPulp | That's what entropy is, isn't it? Like you're always going to lose some energy with each reaction |
19:27.06 | The_MEOW_King | They would need to somehow "eat" pure carbon and oxidize it with pure oxygen |
19:27.15 | Ghelae | No. Entropy is more like a measure of disorder. |
19:27.30 | The_MEOW_King | Idea |
19:27.32 | Ghelae | Although entropy does add to inefficiency by the method you said. |
19:27.54 | The_MEOW_King | Maybe they eat food with carbon in it |
19:27.58 | The_MEOW_King | Then breathe oxygen |
19:27.59 | Ghelae | Even without an increase in energy, you won't get more energy out of a reaction than you got from running it in reverse. |
19:28.09 | WoodPulp | Like humans do? |
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19:28.10 | The_MEOW_King | oxidise that carbon with oxygen |
19:28.11 | OluapPlayer | Goddamnit I hate this shit |
19:28.14 | WoodPulp | We eat food with carbon |
19:28.19 | OluapPlayer | I keep getting disconnected in the middle of the conversation |
19:28.20 | Xho | The Shiarchon are quite elitist about their bloodline so I doubt hybridisation will ever happen |
19:28.21 | Monet | Everything has carbon in it. |
19:28.25 | Ghelae | without an increase in entropy* |
19:28.38 | WoodPulp | *everything organic |
19:28.42 | OluapPlayer | If you want a half-skeleton, just let Tibias bone u |
19:28.49 | Ghelae | And yes, as everyone's saying now, you're basically describing Earth biochemistry. |
19:28.55 | The_MEOW_King | Lawl |
19:28.58 | Xho | Julianus - remove skull |
19:29.01 | WoodPulp | =) |
19:29.04 | OluapPlayer | Tibias - REMOVE SKIN |
19:29.06 | The_MEOW_King | And how about hydrogen? |
19:29.17 | The_MEOW_King | You said something about hydrogen |
19:29.17 | Xho | Julianus - got no skin |
19:29.19 | WoodPulp | As an energy source? |
19:29.21 | WoodPulp | Maybe |
19:29.23 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
19:29.26 | The_MEOW_King | How would it work? |
19:29.29 | OluapPlayer | Tibias - REMOVE ALL FLESH BITS |
19:29.31 | The_MEOW_King | And what would it react with? |
19:29.38 | Xho | Koldenwelt is in a very shitty situation atm hur |
19:29.43 | WoodPulp | Earth doesn't have nearly enough to support any hydrogen-eating life |
19:29.49 | OluapPlayer | Just Talmyr hur |
19:29.50 | WoodPulp | Of course |
19:29.57 | The_MEOW_King | My species doesn't live on earth |
19:30.04 | Imperios | Monet: So I finished the GW2: HoT main storyline today |
19:30.04 | WoodPulp | Hydrogen reacts well with lots of things |
19:30.08 | Ghelae | You could have carbon-based hydrogen-breathers. |
19:30.12 | Xho | Well there's also the Exosubstratal right bang in the centre |
19:30.17 | The_MEOW_King | Can it react with carbon? |
19:30.17 | WoodPulp | Its far to one side of the periodic table |
19:30.25 | OluapPlayer | And they don't do anything |
19:30.30 | OluapPlayer | cus hachi won't finish paegs |
19:30.30 | Hachiman | ;-; |
19:30.32 | WoodPulp | It could react with oxygen to make water |
19:30.42 | Xho | Shiarchon - props for being active villains |
19:30.42 | Monet | The_MEOW_King: It reacts with almost everything |
19:30.43 | Ghelae | But the chemicals it would use would be ones that can be reduced, rather than oxidised like sugars and fats and amino acids are on Earth. |
19:30.52 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmm |
19:30.56 | The_MEOW_King | Let's say... |
19:31.03 | Ghelae | So you'd have something like a sugar, but you "burn" it with hydrogen rather than oxygen as fuel. |
19:31.16 | OluapPlayer | Xacutus is much less of a threat when he doesn't have someone directing him |
19:31.19 | OluapPlayer | Which is currently the case |
19:31.19 | Xho | I can kind of imagine the Shiarchon like the Necrons...which is actually the case come to think of it |
19:31.26 | Xho | case hivemind |
19:31.29 | Monet | Hydrogen cannot exist as a free element, and even if it does it will very quickly look for something ot react with |
19:31.32 | Xho | rest the cases |
19:31.42 | The_MEOW_King | Can they like breathe carbon and then use hydrogen to react with it? |
19:31.45 | The_MEOW_King | or the opposite? |
19:31.46 | Imperios | Necrons don't actually have a hivemind |
19:31.48 | OluapPlayer | Necrons are not all homicidal monsters nor do they worship any deity |
19:31.50 | Ghelae | Hydrogen can exist as a free element. It's no worse than oxygen really. |
19:31.51 | OluapPlayer | At least not anymore |
19:32.14 | Ghelae | The_MEOW_King: They'd breathe hydrogen gas and eat carbon-based foods. |
19:32.20 | Xho | Well on the scheme of being ancient doom skeletons |
19:32.24 | WoodPulp | Idk what you get with carbon and hydrogen |
19:32.25 | Hachiman | Tomb Kings |
19:32.31 | OluapPlayer | Not all of them are doom skeletons though |
19:32.33 | WoodPulp | If you have oxygen you get carbohydraters |
19:32.34 | OluapPlayer | ur point is moot |
19:32.40 | The_MEOW_King | Sooo |
19:32.41 | Ghelae | Rather than water, they might use ammonia as a liquid. |
19:32.44 | Hachiman | Eh I dunno, a lot of Necrons are doom skeletons] |
19:32.45 | Xho | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/ea/Servant_of_the_C_tan_by_MajesticChicken.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110928172314 I mean replace that with a Shiarchon and it still makes sense |
19:32.51 | Ghelae | And rather than breathing out carbon dioxide, they'd breathe out methane. |
19:33.02 | Xho | Well there are those other kinds |
19:33.04 | The_MEOW_King | They breath hydrogen |
19:33.07 | Xho | Flayed Ones I think they're called right |
19:33.08 | The_MEOW_King | eat carbon |
19:33.14 | The_MEOW_King | react hydrogen with carbon |
19:33.16 | Hachiman | Flayed Ones wear skin |
19:33.18 | The_MEOW_King | get energy |
19:33.23 | Hachiman | They don't actually have it themselves hur |
19:33.23 | Xho | tomato tomato |
19:33.23 | The_MEOW_King | breath out methane |
19:33.28 | Ghelae | Essentially, yes. |
19:33.30 | OluapPlayer | Necrons had the C'tan as gods, the C'tan fooled them and turned them into skeletons, the Necrons retaliated by murdering the gods beyond repair |
19:33.37 | The_MEOW_King | Okay good |
19:33.41 | The_MEOW_King | Now I bbl |
19:33.45 | Xho | So they killed their gods |
19:33.50 | Xho | On the scheme of things that's pretty fucking scary |
19:33.53 | Hachiman | Well, not "killed" per se |
19:33.56 | Ghelae | I made http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff which includes some basic sciencey stuff. The section on biochemistry is relevant to this discussion. |
19:33.58 | Hachiman | But they did fuck their gods over |
19:34.11 | Xho | Oh yeah the C'tan shards |
19:34.12 | OluapPlayer | They were reduced to tiny shards which are now used by the Necrons |
19:34.21 | OluapPlayer | One of the C'tan was completely destroyed though |
19:34.27 | Hachiman | Funnily enough, a similar situation to Khaine and the Eldar |
19:34.47 | OluapPlayer | Can't remember his name, I think it was the one who came up with the Flayed One curse |
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19:35.04 | Xho | Tesseract Vaults that's what I'm thinking of |
19:35.10 | OluapPlayer | He suffered the shortest end of the stick |
19:35.21 | Xho | Thats what I designed those Oblivion Engines after |
19:35.27 | Hachiman | The fLAYER |
19:35.30 | Hachiman | Flayer even |
19:35.34 | Monet | I thought Flayed Ones wore skin as a psychological warfare tactic. |
19:35.48 | Hachiman | Llandu'gor the Flayer |
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19:35.57 | Hachiman | Flayed Ones do it for a variety of reasons |
19:36.01 | Xho | Sounds like a Loron name |
19:36.27 | Hachiman | A lot of Necrons actually suffer some form of psychological damage or PTSD due to the conditions of their hibernation |
19:36.47 | Hachiman | Many Necrons still believe that they are fighting the War in Heaven and the Old Ones are still around |
19:37.49 | Xho | Well the Shiarchon aren't that bad I guess |
19:37.55 | Xho | Though there are the odd feral Shiarchon however |
19:38.05 | OluapPlayer | dey are cus everything u make is feral evil |
19:38.11 | Xho | yuy |
19:38.24 | Imperios | Monet: Old lore |
19:38.30 | Xho | Well the feral Shiarchon are the ones who got their mind completely fucked up over the fact they turned into giant zombies |
19:38.59 | OluapPlayer | Still imagining a Shiarchon trying to live in another elf society would be humorous at best |
19:39.04 | OluapPlayer | Shiarchon - at least i'm loved at halloween |
19:39.14 | Xho | Shiarchon defectors lived in the Dalmiric Kingdom |
19:39.22 | Xho | I think that's mentioned in one of the stories I did |
19:39.35 | OluapPlayer | You mentioned it in the IRC |
19:39.40 | OluapPlayer | But I don't remember mentions in the wiki |
19:39.43 | Xho | Hm |
19:39.55 | Xho | Either way they're now being actively hunted down because Julianus is a savage dickhead |
19:40.09 | Hachiman | Hachi - do i hav 2 shank a bitch |
19:40.13 | OluapPlayer | Defector - we ran to the other side of the world and this happens next stop, dinosaur island |
19:40.32 | Xho | Julianus - must build jurassic park |
19:40.45 | OluapPlayer | Vulcardentron - rawr |
19:41.17 | Xho | But yeah Shiarchon defectors did live in the Dalmiric Kingdom |
19:41.25 | Xho | Chances are the team did see at least one Shiarchon there |
19:41.43 | OluapPlayer | Sea Witch killed them because she can't tell them apart from the evil ones |
19:41.59 | Xho | Shiarchon - u fukn stupid |
19:42.03 | The_MEOW_King | back |
19:42.16 | OluapPlayer | Then again the Sea Witch has a very low view of the Shiarchon |
19:42.22 | Monet | Would they have more skin than loyalist Shiarchon? |
19:42.23 | OluapPlayer | Shown by her scoffing at the thought of them having honour |
19:42.37 | Xho | Chances are they do since they're 10,000 miles from Kalarah's influence |
19:42.52 | The_MEOW_King | How to "ping" someone? |
19:43.00 | OluapPlayer | As far as the Witch is concerned, the Shiarchon are just elf-shaped Khorloron |
19:43.03 | Ghelae | The_MEOW_King: Just use their name. |
19:43.12 | The_MEOW_King | Ghelae |
19:43.13 | Xho | Julianus - how insulting r u |
19:43.15 | The_MEOW_King | So to recap |
19:43.23 | OluapPlayer | Sea Witch - very kill urself |
19:43.39 | The_MEOW_King | My specie eats carbon, breathes hydrogen, then react them to get energey and emit methane |
19:43.43 | The_MEOW_King | that works, right? |
19:43.49 | Imperios | Speaking of fantasy |
19:43.49 | Ghelae | Basically, yes. |
19:43.50 | Xho | There's still worse characters than Julianus about |
19:44.02 | Xho | Leviathan's skulking about somewhere |
19:44.02 | Ghelae | If you want hydrogen-breathing creatures. |
19:44.04 | The_MEOW_King | But what food contains enough methane? |
19:44.11 | The_MEOW_King | I mean carbon |
19:44.14 | OluapPlayer | Leviathan - i still exist i swar |
19:44.17 | OluapPlayer | swear* |
19:44.32 | Ghelae | In a bit more detail, it'd be some carbon-based molecules analogous to carbohydrates that Earth life uses. |
19:44.36 | OluapPlayer | I need to have the Lympharians do things at some point |
19:44.40 | OluapPlayer | Right now they're just kinda there |
19:45.04 | Monet | The_Meow_King: http://f.tqn.com/y/chemistry/1/W/V/W/1/D-glucose-3D.png well that's glucose |
19:45.04 | Ghelae | They might need to be slightly different to be more easily reduced rather than oxidised, but the same principle works. |
19:45.54 | The_MEOW_King | Okay, so, to get their carbon, do they litteraly need to eat diamonds or just something containing carbonhydrates? |
19:46.06 | Ghelae | They'd eat carbohydrates. |
19:46.08 | Ghelae | Just like we do. |
19:46.33 | The_MEOW_King | And its found in stuff like bread or candies |
19:46.34 | Ghelae | Carbohydrates, fats, proteins... basically the stuff that living things are made of is usable as fuel. |
19:46.36 | Hachiman | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12063657_10153450341639998_7195181997761869050_n.png?oh=1b70ad8551b7d1d212a6df9e7a29ceb0&oe=56C70019 |
19:46.40 | The_MEOW_King | Okay dokey |
19:46.56 | OluapPlayer | hur |
19:46.56 | Monet | Diamonds aren't a great food source due to their rarity on the surface |
19:47.03 | The_MEOW_King | But, can they use carbon dioxyde as a source of carbon? |
19:47.11 | Ghelae | They just eat normally. You don't need to worry about the biochemical details. |
19:47.19 | Ghelae | And I don't think there'll be much carbon dioxide around. |
19:47.39 | The_MEOW_King | Their planets needs an atmosphere with enough hydrogen |
19:47.41 | Ghelae | If it is, they'd need the right enzymes to break it down, and they also need to get it into their stomach first. |
19:47.59 | Ghelae | So I think it's very unlikely they'd use CO2. |
19:48.03 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
19:48.45 | The_MEOW_King | So they seek planets with atmospheres containing hydrogen |
19:49.00 | Ghelae | A planet with an atmosphere rich in hydrogen is also going to need to be quite a large planet, since hydrogen is so light it easily escapes into space. |
19:49.05 | Monet | Gas giants are a good source of hydrogen |
19:49.20 | Ghelae | Large super-earths should be sufficient. |
19:49.24 | Monet | Maybe they're a form of gas planet life? |
19:49.33 | The_MEOW_King | That would be original |
19:49.43 | The_MEOW_King | But how to find the carbohydrates? |
19:50.01 | Ghelae | Carbohydrates would be made just like they are on Earth. |
19:50.11 | The_MEOW_King | Okay so... |
19:50.13 | Ghelae | Plant-like organisms would run respiration in reverse using sunlight. |
19:50.35 | Ghelae | So they take methane, react it with ammonia (or whatever fluid they use), and produce carbohydrates and hydrogen gas. |
19:50.46 | Monet | Airborne algae |
19:51.08 | The_MEOW_King | And they release the hydrogen gas? |
19:51.11 | Ghelae | Yes. |
19:51.20 | The_MEOW_King | So |
19:51.37 | The_MEOW_King | The atmosphere contains hydrogen and methane |
19:51.44 | The_MEOW_King | so the plants can live |
19:51.45 | The_MEOW_King | Then |
19:51.56 | The_MEOW_King | The plants do their stuff and release the hydrogen |
19:52.09 | The_MEOW_King | My specie breathe the hydrogen and eat the plants |
19:52.18 | The_MEOW_King | Reacting the hydrogen with carbohydrates |
19:52.23 | The_MEOW_King | Producing energy |
19:52.28 | The_MEOW_King | And releasing methane |
19:52.36 | The_MEOW_King | which the plants absorbs |
19:52.46 | Ghelae | Yes. |
19:53.05 | The_MEOW_King | And what about the fluid? |
19:53.16 | Ghelae | That just takes the same role as water does on Earth. |
19:53.20 | The_MEOW_King | What would the oceans be made of? |
19:53.45 | Ghelae | If you're in a gas giant's atmosphere, you aren't going to have oceans, and the ammonia will instead be found inside clouds. |
19:53.59 | Ghelae | For a super-earth, the oceans you need will be made of ammonia. |
19:54.09 | Monet | I said they could be airborne |
19:54.13 | The_MEOW_King | Its going to be a super earth |
19:54.23 | Monet | Right |
19:54.43 | The_MEOW_King | As building spaceships and stuff would be much more complicated |
19:54.51 | The_MEOW_King | Since there is nothing to build with |
19:56.30 | Imperios | Now that I played the new GW2 expansion I kind of want to reference these guys in the fantaysverse http://guildwars-2.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/mordrem-guard.jpg |
19:56.45 | The_MEOW_King | Also, do all species in the fiction universe uses differents elements to survive? |
19:56.51 | Hachiman | What are those? |
19:57.09 | Ghelae | There are only a limited number of elements you can use. Most fictionverse species are normal carbon-based water-used oxygen-breathers. |
19:57.22 | The_MEOW_King | So I got an original specie |
19:57.47 | Ghelae | There are a few hydrogen-breathers including gas giant life, but no major species like that. |
19:58.04 | Ghelae | There are also a few silicon-based sulfuric acid-using oxygen-breathers. |
19:58.08 | The_MEOW_King | Since they live on a super earth, I will make them have large legs and developped musles |
19:58.17 | The_MEOW_King | muscles* |
19:58.43 | Imperios | Hachiman: Mordrem Guard |
19:58.44 | Ghelae | I think the simplest biochemical change would be to replace water with formamide. Carbon-based oxygen-breathers should work with that too. |
19:58.55 | Imperios | Basically ent-elf-demon things |
19:59.01 | Hachiman | Are they Sylvari? |
19:59.16 | Imperios | Corrupted ones yes |
19:59.42 | Imperios | But normal sylvari don't ride dinosaurs |
19:59.50 | The_MEOW_King | A super-earth has around 3-5 earth masses |
20:00.01 | Hachiman | Would be cool if they did |
20:00.18 | The_MEOW_King | So the gravity my species has to resist is at least 4 G |
20:00.48 | The_MEOW_King | So they have large, muscular legs to move around |
20:01.01 | The_MEOW_King | Right? |
20:01.05 | Ghelae | Yes. |
20:01.12 | The_MEOW_King | But... |
20:01.21 | The_MEOW_King | Would crawling be more efficient? |
20:01.27 | The_MEOW_King | Like a slug |
20:01.48 | Ghelae | I wouldn't have thought so. |
20:02.09 | The_MEOW_King | So what is the best idea : legs or crawl? |
20:02.09 | Ghelae | Although I don't think there's any reason why they couldn't be like that. |
20:02.13 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
20:02.24 | Ghelae | Choose it yourself. |
20:02.28 | The_MEOW_King | Hmmmm |
20:02.32 | The_MEOW_King | Maybe slugs |
20:02.43 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah slugs |
20:03.13 | The_MEOW_King | So slug living on super-earths, breathing hydrogen and eating carbohydrates to produce energy and reject methane |
20:03.17 | The_MEOW_King | slugs* |
20:03.34 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
20:04.13 | The_MEOW_King | What color is liquid ammonia? |
20:04.20 | Ghelae | Colourless, like water. |
20:04.38 | Ghelae | Oceans I suppose would be blue. Like water. |
20:04.38 | The_MEOW_King | So how would it looks like from space? |
20:04.52 | The_MEOW_King | And what color would the sky be |
20:04.57 | The_MEOW_King | With mainly hydrogen |
20:05.06 | Ghelae | Same as Earth; blue. |
20:05.29 | Ghelae | Although I doubt it'd be mostly hydrogen; mostly nitrogen as on Earth would be more likely. |
20:05.45 | The_MEOW_King | Nitrogen, Methane and Oxygen |
20:05.53 | The_MEOW_King | OOps |
20:05.59 | The_MEOW_King | I mean Nitrogen, Methane and Hydrogen |
20:06.10 | Ghelae | Yes, but methane will make up very little compared to the others. |
20:06.19 | The_MEOW_King | Kinda like CO2 on earth |
20:06.22 | Ghelae | Yes. |
20:06.40 | The_MEOW_King | So basically, CO2=Methane, Oxygen=Hydrogen and Nitrogen=Well...Nitrogen |
20:07.05 | Ghelae | Yes. This simple biochemistry modelling is really just simple substitution. |
20:07.16 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
20:07.38 | The_MEOW_King | And their ships would have really strong truster to lift off a world with over three Gees of gravity |
20:07.54 | Ghelae | You'd need more detail if you wanted to accurately describe what the equivalents of carbohydrates are, but that's more detail than I think anyone has on this wiki. |
20:08.06 | The_MEOW_King | Okay |
20:08.18 | The_MEOW_King | My specie will look like alien slugs |
20:08.31 | The_MEOW_King | with cat ears |
20:08.37 | The_MEOW_King | Because I like cats |
20:09.02 | The_MEOW_King | BTW, what fiction do you have? |
20:09.32 | Ghelae | My fiction is fairly inactive; it's mostly http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Apalos |
20:09.46 | Ghelae | Originally I made the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Girdo_Empire |
20:10.12 | Ghelae | Both of those pages have a navbox at the bottom where you can see my other pages. |
20:10.38 | The_MEOW_King | Tommorow, I will start making my empire page |
20:12.17 | The_MEOW_King | It's going to be long |
20:12.37 | Ghelae | Remember you don't have to write it all in one go. |
20:12.59 | The_MEOW_King | The planet's atmosphere will be pretty dense, right? |
20:13.15 | Ghelae | Yes. |
20:13.25 | The_MEOW_King | And the ultimate detail |
20:13.29 | The_MEOW_King | what color are the plants? |
20:13.37 | Ghelae | Whatever colour you want them to be. |
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20:14.01 | The_MEOW_King | The main planet is going to be just like earth |
20:14.06 | The_MEOW_King | I mean |
20:14.10 | The_MEOW_King | it will LOOK like earth from afar |
20:14.19 | The_MEOW_King | Blue sky, blue seas, green plants... |
20:16.58 | The_MEOW_King | Now I gtg, I have to make my specie and design their starships |
20:17.42 | The_MEOW_King | Ghelae, a last detail I forgot : how hot will the planet be? |
20:18.24 | Ghelae | However hot you want it to be. Temperature depends both on the composition of the atmosphere and on how far away it is from its star. So you can decide that it has the right combination of the two for whatever temperature you want, |
20:18.27 | Ghelae | . |
20:19.10 | Ghelae | Although the hotter it is, a) ammonia will reach its boiling point sooner (but higher pressure = higher boiling point), |
20:19.20 | Ghelae | and b) the hydrogen will escape into space more easily. |
20:19.38 | The_MEOW_King | Hydrogen, Methane and Nitrogen are all gases at around 5°C |
20:19.43 | The_MEOW_King | Lets say it will be at 5°C |
20:19.49 | Ghelae | You might as well. |
20:20.19 | The_MEOW_King | Atmospheric pressure : 10x more than earth |
20:20.21 | The_MEOW_King | Gravity : 3G |
20:20.54 | Ghelae | Oh, I think there's one influential species of hydrogen-breathers in the SporeWikiverse: the Vanara. |
20:21.43 | Ghelae | They're also artificial, and boron-based rather than carbon-based. So otherwise not similar to yours. |
20:21.54 | Ghelae | Just thought I'd mention that since you did ask earlier. |
20:22.02 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
20:22.10 | The_MEOW_King | So I got a pretty original specie |
20:23.39 | The_MEOW_King | The empire will occupy around 15x20 pixels, and they will have something like 200 000 systems |
20:23.42 | The_MEOW_King | Is that okay? |
20:24.21 | Ghelae | Probably. Just focus on getting the fiction ready first. |
20:24.34 | The_MEOW_King | Yeah |
20:25.33 | The_MEOW_King | How to search a specific empire in the fiction universe? |
20:25.54 | Ghelae | It should be http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search |
20:26.52 | The_MEOW_King | Oh I just need to select "Everything" |
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23:10.23 | Hachiman | Ngh Halo 5 looks so good |
23:10.33 | Hachiman | It almost convinces me to want to buy an XBOX One |
23:11.36 | Monet | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA |
23:12.10 | Hachiman | I will be honest when I say that if I could have already bought an XBOX One or PS4, I already would have |
23:13.23 | Technobliterator | Halo 5 looks garbage. |
23:13.32 | Technobliterator | Only reason anyone played Halo was splitscreen multiplayer |
23:13.36 | Technobliterator | of course they took that away |
23:13.40 | Technobliterator | and thus the game looks garbage |
23:14.11 | Hachiman | It's almost like opinions don't exist in Jo's head |
23:14.45 | Monet | I will atmit it looks rather cinematic |
23:15.15 | Monet | Which is cool. |
23:15.27 | Hachiman | Which is what I was referring to |
23:15.47 | Technobliterator | Well, clearly thy do, or else I wouldn't post them |
23:16.05 | Technobliterator | taking away splitscreen was an utterly stupid idea |
23:16.09 | Hachiman | I meant other people's opinions |
23:16.19 | Technobliterator | utterly utterly stupid idea |
23:16.31 | Hachiman | And yes, I agree that the lack of splitscreen multiplayer is dumb |
23:16.42 | Hachiman | Although admittedly I never played it for that |
23:16.50 | Monet | Honestly splitscreen appears to be on its way to becomign a rarity. |
23:17.04 | Hachiman | I never played Halo with splitscreen |
23:17.07 | Technobliterator | I never played it for anything else |
23:17.17 | Technobliterator | if it wasn't for splitscreen, I would have never played Halo, ever |
23:17.32 | Technobliterator | except Halo CE and Halo 3 because I wanted to see what the fucking fuss was about |
23:17.48 | Technobliterator | and all I learnt was that Halo 3 is a good game |
23:17.56 | Hachiman | I cannot really take your opinions that seriously ever since you criticized Half-Life 2 for getting lost on a linear path |
23:18.10 | Technobliterator | Please tell me how Half-Life 2's path is linear |
23:18.40 | Technobliterator | I don't remember the level it was, but the level I played was not linear |
23:19.51 | Monet | It was linear. |
23:20.24 | Technobliterator | Yeah, for most of the game |
23:20.25 | Monet | Story was linear and really the most choice you had was the occasional "track a or track b" |
23:20.28 | DrodoEmpire | HL2 is so definitely linear... |
23:20.31 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
23:20.46 | Technobliterator | the level design was not linear |
23:20.55 | DrodoEmpire | I think the episodes had a bit more variation but you still ended up in the same place |
23:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Not in the modern sense I suppose not |
23:21.19 | DrodoEmpire | But in the overall sense its certainly a linear game |
23:21.21 | Technobliterator | the level design gives you no clue how to progress forward |
23:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh |
23:21.35 | DrodoEmpire | In a few places I got that feeling yeah |
23:21.49 | Technobliterator | and masses of open spaces |
23:21.53 | Monet | Was this point you got lost in City 17 or in the swamps outside? |
23:22.01 | Technobliterator | that leave you no idea where to go |
23:22.09 | Technobliterator | I remember being lost in swamps, yes |
23:22.15 | Monet | Oh that bit |
23:22.17 | Technobliterator | I remember being lost in some...dead town level |
23:22.25 | Monet | I call thosep laces semi-linear maps. |
23:22.42 | DrodoEmpire | Tach: Ravenholm? |
23:22.48 | Technobliterator | The game just tired me out, I hate shooters in general, and HL2 didn't change my mind |
23:22.50 | Technobliterator | that was the one |
23:23.28 | DrodoEmpire | I like some shooters. |
23:23.45 | DrodoEmpire | I prefer Strategy games (Most Grand Strategy) but I like some |
23:23.55 | DrodoEmpire | HL2 I really liked personally |
23:24.07 | Technobliterator | I liked Portal 2, that's it |
23:24.22 | Technobliterator | I enjoyed Halo 3, insofar as I had an actual motivation to play it |
23:24.37 | Technobliterator | instead of just being frustrated and/or bored with it like the others in the series |
23:26.57 | Technobliterator | oh, another reason to avoid Halo |
23:27.02 | Technobliterator | microtransactions |
23:28.42 | Monet | Yeah damn these publishers who want to make a return on their multi-million-dollar development projects! |
23:29.09 | Hachiman | Honestly I think people overreact to microtransactions |
23:29.16 | Hachiman | Granted, lots of companies handle it badly |
23:29.20 | Technobliterator | I don't think it's acceptable |
23:29.46 | Technobliterator | Unlike mobile freebie games, we pay £50 up front |
23:29.59 | Monet | Hachiman: Kind of my point. |
23:30.02 | Technobliterator | only to be told we have to pay £999 more |
23:30.54 | Monet | Halo 5 cost a grand total of 250 million dollars to make. |
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23:31.06 | Monet | Though that might also include marketing |
23:31.23 | Hachiman | I would be to not have to pay for major installments for my purchase and would prefer for microtransactions to remain to otherwise minor and optional stuff |
23:31.24 | Monet | THat's a lot of fucking money |
23:31.28 | Hachiman | be happy even |
23:32.46 | Technobliterator | because in order to match other people, it's that |
23:32.46 | Technobliterator | or it's 99999 hours spent |
23:32.51 | Technobliterator | Find another way to profit from your games instead of conning your fans .__. |
23:33.37 | Monet | What available microtransaction offers are there again? |
23:36.12 | Hachiman | Not entirely sure specifically for Halo 5 |
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23:37.00 | Monet_2 | Okay I suppose it's annoying to face up against players who sunk $100 to be better than you but look at it this way: Those pussies had to buy an advantage rather than work for it. |
23:37.39 | Monet_2 | You can buy a higher level but can you buy better knowledge of a map? |
23:37.56 | Technobliterator | Well, Halo 5 has some stupidly complex system that doesn't make sense to anyone outside of 343 Industries |
23:38.13 | Hachiman | Says someone who has not played Halo 5 kek |
23:38.16 | Technobliterator | but I'm pretty sure they made it complicated and non-sensial so people spend more money |
23:38.30 | Technobliterator | Look it up, the system does not make sense to anyone |
23:38.42 | Technobliterator | something to do with gold packs and points |
23:38.44 | Technobliterator | or whatever |
23:39.30 | Hachiman | I think one of the better cases of paid add-ons for games is expansion packs rather than microtransactions |
23:39.49 | Technobliterator | Yes |
23:39.58 | Hachiman | Like how Dawn of War, Destiny, Call of Duty, Red Dead, etc. handles it |
23:40.11 | Hachiman | Although again, risky business if your game does not profit well at first |
23:40.19 | Technobliterator | When you've spent £50 already, consumers shouldn't be conning you |
23:40.57 | Technobliterator | I get it for freeby games, but it's becoming disgusting for big budget ones to do it too |
23:40.58 | Technobliterator | and hell |
23:41.06 | Technobliterator | some freeby games have disgusting prices for them |
23:41.08 | Technobliterator | and all the |
23:41.24 | Monet_2 | Again, massive budget. |
23:41.33 | Technobliterator | basically making the game unplayable for people |
23:41.40 | Technobliterator | who dont spend £9999999 |
23:41.49 | Technobliterator | and pft not enough money |
23:41.54 | Technobliterator | lets put ads in there too |
23:41.55 | Technobliterator | !!!!!! |
23:42.09 | Monet_2 | It's not that they don't have neough money |
23:42.31 | Monet_2 | If they can't break even then it wasn't considered a worthwhile investment. |
23:43.00 | Technobliterator | Yeah, urm, I can't recall a situation in recent memory in which big budget games like these have not broken even |
23:43.12 | Hachiman | You'd be surprised |
23:43.18 | Technobliterator | Really, this is about publishers conning us for money |
23:43.53 | Monet_2 | Yeah how dare these companies seek to make a profit. |
23:44.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ohh dear |
23:44.27 | Monet_2 | OKay I have my limits on what publishers do for a profit. |
23:44.32 | Monet_2 | I'm not a total Randian. |
23:44.58 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno DLCs been getting really ridiculous for some games |
23:45.06 | DrodoEmpire | Take Total War for example |
23:45.28 | Technobliterator | I have a problem with companies seeking to make a profit using the disgusting tactics some of these companies have been using, yes |
23:45.29 | Hachiman | Fuck, you had to bring that up |
23:45.30 | Hachiman | I do not condone that bullshit at all |
23:45.35 | DrodoEmpire | They're seriously jewing their customers for money with the ridiculous day-one DLCs and stuff. :p |
23:45.35 | Monet_2 | But Hachi has a point. $250,000,000 is a lot of money ot make back in sales. |
23:46.21 | Hachiman | I think it's wrong to outright condemn a publisher or developer for wanting to make additional profit if they have broken even, but the tactics some companies use to do it is unhealthy |
23:46.29 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
23:46.32 | DrodoEmpire | For sure |
23:46.36 | DrodoEmpire | But not all is bad by any means |
23:46.40 | Monet_2 | Okay let me think of the maths. |
23:46.46 | Technobliterator | I don't know what's had to happen that companies have gone from being able to sell us complete games and earn huge profits to being incapable of selling products without 99999 microtransactions, and when they're released, they're incomplete |
23:47.15 | Wormy_ | Oh Hachi, you might like these http://imgur.com/gallery/m1ahl |
23:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | I think Paradox does a *decent* job with its DLCs; It releases a major expansion for Europa Universalis IV every few months alongside a major patch. These expansions are usually about fifteen dollars Canadian and do change and improve a *lot* |
23:47.42 | DrodoEmpire | And plus some of its features come free in the expansion |
23:48.06 | Monet_2 | $70 per game, $250,000,000 needed to break even. Microsoft needed to sell at least 3.57 million copies of Halo 5 to break even. |
23:48.07 | DrodoEmpire | *in the patch |
23:48.07 | Technobliterator | Square Enix profits from games now by basically making the big games good enough that consumers will go on to sub to their MMOs and buy tons of microtransactions from all their mobile games |
23:48.21 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: I'm sure they can easily sell that much |
23:48.22 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
23:48.42 | DrodoEmpire | This, alongside really cheap fluff (music packs, new unit appearances, etc.) is their DLC setup, and I think its pretty fair |
23:48.43 | Monet_2 | Well yeah Halo's a massive IP |
23:49.08 | Technobliterator | ...I really don't think they're going to struggle to sell 3.57 million when they average about 8 million sold |
23:49.23 | Technobliterator | But I'd love that to happen, because I love to see Microsoft lose money 8D |
23:49.30 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
23:50.08 | Technobliterator | They can earn money back from this just fine with no microtransactions |
23:50.10 | Monet_2 | The money they earn isn't just going to paying back Halo 5 or the Executives' pockets. |
23:50.30 | Technobliterator | I honestly think they're doing this to experiment with a new market more than they are as a serious business model |
23:51.50 | Monet_2 | Microsoft annually spends 75 BILLION dollars in operating costs and employee salaries. |
23:52.37 | Technobliterator | Microsoft seem to use Halo as their proving ground, and they want the franchise to be a lot bigger than it is, things like the Halo Waypoint app show this |
23:52.42 | Monet_2 | The money earned from Halo 5 is a small contribution towards that cost. |
23:53.00 | Technobliterator | Also, Halo 5 is more central to their business model than just breaking even with 3.57 million copies sold |
23:53.28 | Monet_2 | Halo is a flagship IP. |
23:53.44 | Technobliterator | The point of this game is that it's their system seller, regardless of whether or not the game earns money back for them, it'll make people buy - or be tempted to buy - Xboxes |
23:53.59 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/b4dIASw |
23:54.53 | Technobliterator | They could easily shell out more than $250 million on the game to make it a perfect 10/10 if only to say "guys look, there's this amazing shooter that's critically acclaimed everywhere, and you can ONLY get it on our console!" |
23:55.14 | Technobliterator | and it'll still be profitable in the long run depending on how well the Xbox One does |
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23:55.28 | Technobliterator | So no, I do not think shoving microtransactions can be defended here |
23:55.30 | Technobliterator | hi random |
23:55.33 | Monet_2 | I just rememebred another matter |
23:56.15 | The_Randomness | Hello |
23:56.21 | Technobliterator | I still love how Rockstar can make games as huge as GTAV |
23:56.24 | Monet_2 | Microsoft's a public company, and one thing investors and shareholders don't like is a company earning less in subsequent fiscal quarters. |
23:56.29 | Technobliterator | then earn the money back and not need any of this |
23:57.34 | Monet_2 | Rockstar isn't developing an operating system or a line of portable hardware. |
23:58.09 | The_Randomness | So what are we raising our pitchforks against tonight? |
23:58.25 | Technobliterator | The usual! |
23:59.43 | Monet_2 | The_Randomness: It starts with an M and ends with a T. |
23:59.54 | The_Randomness | Microsoft? |