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10:46.27DrodoEmpireHey everyone
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11:34.22dromHachiCollege http://i.imgur.com/kdeSknM.jpg
11:34.37dromSorry for distraction but I felt like to share it
11:41.37dromLiquid_Ink: I found a bookstore that tells underrated novels, books and RPG stuff
11:42.07Liquid_InkOh?
11:42.13dromI happen to found William Gibson's "Neuromancer" in both book and pocket formats
11:42.39dromI peeked inside the two first pages, I was already blown away how dystopian it was
11:43.25dromDystopian cyberpunk I'll tell you
11:43.36dromSo yeah, I bought it along two other books
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11:44.18JepardiHi
11:44.36dromHeyo
11:45.13dromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer
11:46.08dromOther than that, I've also found tons and tons of Star Wars, Warhammer and other cult-popular fantasy books and rpg games and props for them.
11:46.43dromIt is like I just walked into the Comic Guy's store
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11:47.49Wormy_hi
11:48.04dromHeyo
11:48.25dromAh oh. I even found Star Trek novels in the same department
11:49.23Liquid_InkDymooks has a nice set of StarTrek Novels
11:49.44dromThere are a bunch of Terry Pratchett sci-fi and fantasy novels
11:49.58dromBut no luck on finding Stephen Baxter
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11:50.16GhelaeHello.
11:54.38dromInteresting, but the book store is a local business though.
11:55.00dromSo I want to buy something from there, I got to go there and find myself the books I'm looking for
11:55.37dromIt is also a center for RPG, board games, card games and more
11:57.23dromAnyway. The second book I bought is the first book of James S.A. Corey's "The Expanse" series, namely "Levithan Wakes"
11:58.11dromThe third is just a historic novel from one of my favorite Swedish authors
11:59.41dromSo it is going to be an interesting reading experience
12:09.01dromWormy_: https://40.media.tumblr.com/d8cf9b6678f4c677bbf8a635d5636179/tumblr_nw4q8y9fvj1r8yrlro1_540.jpg
12:09.57Wormy_Uh oh, its emerging
12:19.49dromWormy_ Ghelae Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/VQs5rJK.jpg
12:26.17Wormy_lol
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12:43.21AdmiralPandahi all
12:45.58GhelaeHello.
13:05.30Tek0516Hello
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13:22.02GhelaeHello.
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13:23.12OluapPlayerHi
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13:31.34Wormy_drom http://imgur.com/gallery/M8fnFya
13:33.43Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/KMoRYdo.jpg
13:34.34Wormy_and more http://imgur.com/gallery/GaTcG
13:35.27Wormy_http://forlackofabettercomic.com/img/comic/275.png
13:36.56Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/u3x59HC
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13:48.10dromWormy_: "The Alcobet"
13:48.13dromfit you hur
13:48.16dromfits*
13:48.53Wormy_lol
13:51.53Wormy_I'm not an alcoholic though, I can say "no".  I've had only had a glass of wine in the last week and half
13:52.28Wormy_Only a few times a year do I have more than a couple of pints and get "hammered"
13:53.26Wormy_Most people my age, especially students, go out to get hammered every week
13:54.55Wormy_I'm definately in the green range most of the time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Possible_long-term_effects_of_ethanol.svg
14:08.23dromWormy_: http://i.imgur.com/RKltMN7.jpg
14:08.49Wormy_yo dog
14:10.05dromWormy_: http://i.imgur.com/gjuvNjA.jpg
14:10.41Wormy_aboose
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14:25.50Wormy_Ghelae, drom:  This universe looks interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fire_Upon_the_Deep
14:26.34Wormy_Inverts the goal in most sci-fi to go to the centre of the galaxy too
14:27.16dromSpeaking of space opera. I bought this book today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_Wakes
14:29.31dromI also found an other series of books in the same store, which has more xenobiology in it, though still centralized on the humans, who are in the series fleeing from the sins of Earth
14:30.26dromhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Honor-Fenris-Novel-Book-ebook/dp/B00C6NK82O
14:31.33Wormy_Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars also sounds like an interesting series
14:31.37dromThough I need to finish reading two other books first.
14:32.09dromA Swedish criminology book and that "The Long Earth" which I've not read in a while
14:33.45Wormy_There is too much sci-fi I want to read
14:35.03dromSame here hur
14:35.29dromI also bought William Gibson's "Neuromancer"
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14:37.36Wormy_Dragon's Egg, Robert Forward, Greg Egan's Orthogonal series, Long Earth, Evolution and Xeelee Endurance by Stephen Baxter, the Mars trilogy Kim Robinson, A Fire Upon the Deep by Venor Vinge, Revelation Space by Alistair Reynolds, more Ringworld and Culture novels by Larry Niven and Iain banks, and the Difference engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling
14:38.48drom"The Expanse" and the "A Fenris Novel" might be some for you too
14:39.01dromThey both are series mind you
14:39.42dromThe Expanse is a series of 5 fricking bricks
14:40.13GhelaeWormy_: It looks like the ideas of "A Fire Upon The Deep" might be an attempt to resolve the Fermi paradox while also allowing for space opera technology and aliens. If so it's not completely effective, but it's a nice idea.
14:40.50Wormy_indeed
14:42.39dromWormy_: Ann Leckie's "Imperial Radch" trilogy may be something for you too. Ancillary Justice is the first book if you are asking
14:42.54Wormy_looking at them now
14:44.36Wormy_http://www.amazon.co.uk/Proxima-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0575116846
14:44.40Wormy_This was a strange book
14:44.46dromWormy_: Here's the aforementioned brick with a banana for scale http://i.imgur.com/70poN3d.jpg
14:45.42Wormy_Xeelee Omnibus (without banana system) http://media.ove.cybermage.se/2010/03/new-books-march-25-2010.png
14:46.42dromThat t-shit suffice
14:46.43Wormy_I type in Xeelee Omnibus banana and what do I find?  http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228154046/spore/images/1/17/Naakjidreadnought01.png
14:46.47dromshirt*
14:46.49dromfss
14:47.11dromwat
14:47.49Wormy_I must talk about Xeelee so much, and you talk about bananas so much
14:47.57Wormy_*and you must
14:49.17dromWell. I get this on google http://i.imgur.com/PvQEm4b.jpg
14:49.18Charles_MurrayI find this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Xeelee+Omnibus+banana&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMImKfhudzEyAIVyh8eCh0y8QuO&biw=1440&bih=702#imgrc=imSQgVhNoxngsM%3A
14:49.37dromHah! Beat you to it!
14:49.49Charles_MurrayThanks for rubbing it in :P
14:50.10drom~give Charles_Murray a cookie
14:50.14infobotACTION gives Charles_Murray a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up.
14:51.44dromWormy_: I find it odd that Stephen Baxter's books has probably the best and orgasmic covers I've ever seen on sci-fi books
14:52.29Wormy_Yes, they are more like artworks you got on sci-fi books in the 70s and 80s
14:52.43drombrb gettin dinner
14:52.43Wormy_Best era for sci-fi art in my opinion
14:52.52Wormy_Today its all "Everything is an Ipod"
14:53.02Wormy_Or Ipad maybe
14:53.29dromOr flashy and poorly photoshopped covers
14:55.49Wormy_drom:  http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1346403688l/66795.jpg  http://www.stephen-baxter.com/images/books/TimelikeLS.gif  http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/books/1295247343i/843563._UY200_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51skxtO0WzL._AC_UL320_SR196,320_.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Raft_Stephen_Baxter.jpg
14:56.19Wormy_I actually wish I got the books seperately in a way, just because I could have had those covers
14:59.49Wormy_https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Flux_Stephen_Baxter.jpg
14:59.52Wormy_missed one
15:01.06Wormy_That's a neutron star with tiny artificial humans living on it, making a city out of superconducting "wood" after their creastors abandoned them (turns out the star is a torpeo hurtling towards the Xeelee)
15:02.27Wormy_Technology abd scale in the Xeeleeverse is unimaginably powerful
15:02.32Wormy_anyway, bbl
15:12.33dromWormy_away: I almost forgot to mention that the book store even got some Dr. Who novels
15:15.09Wormy_awaycool
15:15.18Wormy_awayBaxter wrote one recently
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15:16.49CyrannianHi
15:16.53drom... and Star Wars novels, the RPG game some merch... hard to describe how much of a geek's heaven that book store was
15:18.23OluapPlayer~throw Cyrannian
15:18.23infobotACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon.
15:18.38Cyrannian~destroy OluapPlayer
15:18.38infobotno
15:22.33drominfobot, tell me about me
15:23.45drom~tell me about Wormy
15:23.53dromYep, it works
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15:36.42TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opB80ULb05w&feature=youtu.be brutal
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15:38.43dromTechnoblierator: The link's end combined with your message makes it read more like "youtube [be] brutal"
15:39.00OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: That ending
15:39.03OluapPlayerMy sides
15:39.16TechnobliteratorBoss, you killed a child?...Amazing! Mission complete!
15:39.30TechnobliteratorThat right there is why you're the best, boss!
15:43.32OluapPlayerTactical Niglet Bullying
15:44.14Technobliteratorlmao
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15:56.00OluapPlayer_Technobliterator: Kazuhira "Only so many pigments in my fulton shipments" Miller
15:56.20TechnobliteratorKKKaz
15:57.06Technobliteratorone funny thing
15:57.42Technobliteratoreven though Kaz died in MGS1, he still won in the end because Solid Snake beat everyone
15:58.00OluapPlayer_More or less
15:58.39Technobliteratorthe whole series is basically Zero vs Big Boss and Kaz vs Ocelot
16:31.19dromWormy_away: http://kenket.deviantart.com/art/I-m-A-Fox-And-You-Are-Not-566059704
16:31.20ImperiosWhat is this about racism
16:31.34ImperiosWho started a discussion about racism and did not invite me
16:33.37dromBoth of em
16:34.11OluapPlayer_How about you go finish pages
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16:52.04Wormy_awayI'm going to prank people who visit my home with it
16:53.42GhelaeSo, making a fake table surface above it like they did with the rubik's cube in the video?
16:54.07Wormy_awayYes, though I may have to use something else for more originality
16:54.57ImperiosI can actually finish pages now
16:55.04ImperiosFor the first time in a week, I have spare time
16:55.13Imperios*the
16:55.20GhelaeA comment suggests doing the same thing as that scrunched up paper ball, but then setting it on fire so you have a levitating flame.
16:55.44Wormy_awayThat sounds a little dangerous
16:56.08OluapPlayer_Get ur butt movin then
16:56.30Wormy_BTW, there's a philosophy talk on in 4 minutes, by that favourite physicist of mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHT6aOv118c
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16:57.23GhelaeDepending on how exactly the device works, the high temperature might also disrupt the magnetism by going above the curie temperature.
16:57.42GhelaeHello.
16:57.57CyrannianHai
16:58.05Wormy_Yes, the instructions say that if the device gets hot, let it cool down for a minute or so
16:58.26Wormy_It also clearly instructs not putting it near a computer or phone
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16:59.40GhelaeElectric currents + changing magnetic fields is generally not a good combination to have out in the open. Often more dangerous than levitating flames.
17:00.43Wormy_Indeed
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17:06.29Wormy_Still, I've kept it on for a few minutes at a time
17:06.30ImperiosCan you ping me when Luxor comes?
17:06.38Wormy_And its not gotten hot
17:06.48Wormy_So yes, pretty good device
17:08.19Wormy_This link works, the other one isn't http://stream5.radiomonitor.com/RSA1?token=Y4aBZWuEhWloh4eDhZN+
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17:19.29HachimanHai
17:19.39Technobliteratorhi 8man
17:20.09ImperiosWormy_ Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vTzgOBC9A Dear God the comments
17:20.16Technobliteratoror is it 8th man
17:20.32HachimanWhat the fuck are you talking about hur
17:20.51TechnobliteratorWell, "hachi" means "eight" in Japanese
17:20.54Technobliteratorso, 8man!
17:21.01HachimanOh
17:21.11HachimanI forgot about that
17:21.20ImperiosAnd an ethnic slur in Russian hur
17:21.40HachimanMore specifically it'd probably be Eightuman
17:21.47HachimanOr Eituman
17:22.00Technobliteratorromaji would most likely be eituman yup
17:22.30HachimanYou learning Japanese then?
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17:23.25TechnobliteratorI am indeed
17:23.32Wormy_Hachiman https://twitter.com/ChrisHewitt/status/595648501268230145/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
17:23.35TechnobliteratorI only just started, so I'm not really good yet
17:23.54HachimanWormy_: Ohgod my sides
17:26.16ImperiosIlbon-saram gajang-nappa
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17:29.15ImperiosDoes everyone here study East Asian languages or something
17:29.21ImperiosWe have a problem though, none of us know Mandarin
17:30.29HachimanI don't academically
17:33.36TechnobliteratorI don't have any real use for learning Mandarin, but Japanese is useful because of how many Japanese videogames I play and because I want to visit there at some point in my life
17:33.45TechnobliteratorI'm fairly sure I know who I'm working for, though
17:34.18Hachimaninb4 Squeenix
17:34.24Technobliteratornah
17:34.25TechnobliteratorWikia
17:34.45TechnobliteratorI actually have a decent chance of getting a job with them : |
17:34.57HachimanI wonder how much that will pay
17:35.12ImperiosTechnobliterator: You will
17:35.18TechnobliteratorFrom talking to the staff, it pays pretty well
17:35.24ImperiosYou will when the New Chinese Empire rises to conquer the world
17:35.27Technobliteratorat least, well enough that they can afford to live in SF
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17:49.59CyrannianSo Boris Johnson rugby tackled a 10 year old in Japan
17:54.21HachimanAye I saw
17:54.28HachimanIt was the funniest thing I have seen for a while
17:55.05Cyrannianhttp://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/23FD/production/_86131290_hi029617153.jpg so majestic
17:58.14GhelI thought you meant he'd just attacked a random ten-year-old on the street.
18:02.18Wormy_Ghel:  So David Deutsch says that inventions like paper have already changed the human condition, so being a cyborg may not always mean being made of a percentage of silicon or enhanced biology.
18:02.28Wormy_Its not the first time I've heard this view
18:02.42Wormy_They say the modern cyborg needs no implants
18:02.42GhelYes. In case you didn't know it's now being streamed on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXi04CuV7g
18:03.35Wormy_I personally like the idea of pervasive computing, augmented reality and "wearable" devices as opposed to surgical ones
18:04.12Wormy_Yes, but the sounds awful, so I'm listening to the audio stream and watching the video, sadly out of sync
18:15.02Wormy_modernpolitics.jpg https://sparky2301.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/use_size120_2016.jpg
18:18.52Wormy_Ghel:  He did knock the child down though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34537841
18:19.18GhelOh, good. I would have been disappointed in him otherwise.
18:20.35Wormy_Meh, kids are too wrapped in cotton wool these days, in the UK anyway
18:22.04Wormy_So, bees like morning coffee too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34532636
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18:31.35HachimanHai
18:34.35ImperiosWormy_ Technobliterator Monet Hachiman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vTzgOBC9A Damn the comments
18:34.48Imperios"Wow, people are offended, how dare they! I am offended by the fact people are offended!"
18:36.43Wormy_I'll watch it later bbs
18:57.12Wormy_People need to chill out
18:57.23GhelI don't know who's seen this news yet (it's a couple of days old but I only found out a short while ago) - http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-most-interesting-star-in-our-galaxy/410023/ - in short, it's probably a group of comets that's been very recently pushed close to their star, but failing that, it's seems the next best explanation is that there's a dyson swarm 1480 ly away from us.
18:58.11Wormy_literally dropped his sandwitch
18:58.13Hachimaninb4 our extinction approaches
18:58.41GhelThis after a survey of 100,000 galaxies earlier on this year found no evidence of galaxy-spanning astroengineering (but 143 potentially interesting candidates for smaller-scale projects).
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18:59.59GhelHello.
19:00.19XhoMeow
19:00.22OluapPlayerHi
19:00.51MonetHi
19:04.45Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst
19:04.49Wormy_also interesting
19:06.09Technobliteratorkonbawa, xho
19:06.14XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: Are you guys busy because we could finish the Fantasyverse section
19:06.19Xhokonbanwa u meen
19:06.26OluapPlayerWe can
19:06.28ImperiosNo I am not
19:06.32ImperiosWE can
19:06.50Technobliteratoryeah
19:06.51Technobliteratorthat was it
19:07.20HachimanI feel rather tired but no, I'm not busy
19:07.39Xhohttps://titanpad.com/QNbnqfZlh3 2 bad work til u drop
19:09.08XhoImperios : ^
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19:09.16dromDIE IN A FIRE YOU FUCKING WARTFACED NONSENTIENT SHITEATING GRINCHTURDWAFFLE, NO WONDER WHY EVERYONE WANTS TO GET LAID WITH YOUR WORTHLESS ULCER-FILLED CUNT
19:09.20dromOps
19:09.25DrodoEmpire...
19:09.28DrodoEmpireLove you too drom
19:09.32DrodoEmpire<3
19:10.05XhoSo
19:10.06dromTalk about nice coincidence you walked into here
19:10.07XhoThat happened
19:10.37Technobliterator.__.
19:11.17Wormy_Grinchturdwaffle is new to me
19:11.18dromIn other words, I've no idea why this compiler says it doesn't understand my code
19:12.14dromIt also happen to be one of the worst compilers for cross-platform development, so yeah
19:12.28GhelProbably because it's not actually a compiler, but a shiteating grinchturdwaffle in disguise.
19:14.32ImperiosTechnobliterator: How would you call Sefarina's people's priests/sorcerers?
19:14.36ImperiosShamans? Druids? Stargazers?
19:14.49TechnobliteratorI have no idea, I just assumed they were no longer canon :o
19:14.55TechnobliteratorUrm, stargazers works best
19:15.28XhoKartansimal - praise me
19:16.33Wormy_Imperios: I found this   "Europe was actually created 5,000 years before God created earth.They came around the same time as the rest of the Nordic peoples came, when the last ice age ended"
19:17.07ImperiosLOGIC IS A JEWISH INVENTION
19:17.20ImperiosThe will of Hitler defies space and time
19:17.52ImperiosTechnobliterator: They are part of the Hetmanate, I can't remove them from canon without much retconning
19:18.06Technobliteratoralright
19:19.40ImperiosI'll probably make them more Finno-Ugric-ish/Balt-ish rather than the Native American-SSAfrican mix you intended
19:21.23Technobliteratorshrugs
19:22.00Wormy_Actually I keep seeing a lot of neonazi ideology on youtube, whether its trying to say Europeans came first or now that Europe came first.  I don't know whether I'm noticing because its been pointed out to me, or whether there is some new source of bullshit these people are reading
19:22.56Wormy_Of course, these ideas aren't new but I'm noticing more
19:25.58ImperiosTechnobliterator: http://static02.rupor.sampo.ru/9924/reindeers1_big.jpg Like these fellas
19:26.12Technobliteratorworks for me
19:26.21TechnobliteratorI have no opinion, though
19:27.52ImperiosIt's just the northernmost "tribal" people I can think of
19:29.27Imperioshttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/ca/Saphronian_Starrows.png/revision/latest?cb=20151015192857 That'll be their symbol
19:34.54Wormy_Ghel, drom, Hachiman:  "The Bulk Beings are closing the tesseract"  http://imgur.com/gallery/pNFcSso
19:35.40Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/OmhrIx1
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19:39.03Wormy_You might have needed to watch Intersatellar to get that reference, oh well
19:43.31GhelThat bin thing is an unusual magic trick. But it does remind me of that Doctor Who episode.
19:45.17Wormy_Which one?
19:46.10XhoWith the rubbish bins
19:46.15XhoCmon even I know that one
19:46.45GhelWhich episode? The one with the 2D people.
19:46.52Wormy_The 2D entities which sucked people into walls or the bin that tried to people because of the Nacene consciousness?
19:46.53Xhobah
19:46.54Wormy_Oh
19:47.10Wormy_*tried to eat
19:47.19Wormy_I see
19:50.40GhelSomething going into a bin was not the strange part of that gif. :P
19:53.40Wormy_Glitch in the matrix
19:54.59Imperiosdrom Wormy_ Xho: http://krautchan.net/files/1444938848001.jpeg
19:55.58Wormy_Damnit Rambo
19:56.53Xhodam
19:58.03Wormy_try reading this out loud in sync http://imgur.com/gallery/awgnsgM
19:59.41Wormy_Fuck I'm now reading twice as fast
20:02.48Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/djb1Gzz  "I see your English breakfast and raise you an American dinner http://i.imgur.com/l7K61Rm.jpg"  "Pomegranate seeds on the dessert?! That's a little too red for me commie."
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20:09.03ImperiosXho Hachiman: Apparently a punishment in Iran for throwing acid in someone's face is getting acid thrown at *your* face
20:09.07Imperios*at
20:09.11XhoHm
20:09.24XhoWell the Mesopotamians did invent the eye for an eye law
20:09.34DrodoEmpireImperios: I see they're still big fans of Hammurabi's laws.
20:09.39DrodoEmpireXho: Yes.
20:09.47Xhomwahaha
20:10.00XhoWait I thought it was Ur-Nammu
20:10.03XhoHm I dunno
20:10.10DrodoEmpireThey also said that if a house collapsed and killed someone, the builder of that house would be killed as punishment
20:10.25DrodoEmpireSo... Yeah. >.<
20:10.56GhelWas the builder to be killed by having a house fall on them?
20:11.10DrodoEmpireI don't think so
20:11.19GhelThey missed a trick there then.
20:18.11Wormy_In Britain, and many places in fact, they used to bury children alive in bridges, for good luck.
20:19.48DrodoEmpireSensible.
20:19.54OluapPlayer_Brits are scary
20:19.56dromWormy_ Ghel: What was the name of an event e.g. a short reaches it's maximum value, an other step cause it go negative.
20:20.29GhelObviously, people are born with a set amount of luck. Therefore, if you kill them when they're young, all that luck isn't used up and instead leaks out into the environment, e.g. the bridge that you've built around them. It makes perfect sense.
20:20.44XhoWe still do that btw
20:20.45XhoOr do we
20:20.50XhoNo maybe not
20:20.57HachimanThat's some Essence bullshit right there
20:22.10Wormy_Are you saying we might have stepped backward by not burying kids in bridges today?
20:22.21Gheldrom: I don't know.
20:22.30DrodoEmpireOf course! Ghel's theory is airtight.
20:22.39GhelWe do still bury children in bridges today. We just don't tell anybody about it.
20:22.51GhelWhat else can we do when we have so many more orphans than adoptions?
20:23.26DrodoEmpireWe have to start burying children alive again! Maybe it'll scare the little shits into doing their chores. <.<
20:24.39dromGhel Wormy_: I think I found it out, it is called "integer overflow"
20:24.39GhelWe don't really need to build that many bridges any more. What we should do instead is turn children into fuel, so when they go into cars the luck prevents the cars from crashing.
20:24.56dromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_overflow
20:25.12Gheldrom: Yes, I think that's right.
20:26.19GhelAnd if cars don't crash, we won't have so many children dying on the roads any more.
20:26.48DrodoEmpirePerfect!
20:28.28GhelAnd here was me thinking I might have gone too far with this.
20:38.26Wormy_Nothings too far, we should embrace such innovation
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20:43.11DrodoEmpireHello
20:43.54Robotickinghello
20:43.57GhelHello.
20:56.07Robotickinghello ghel
20:58.40Wormy_Batman, what happened to you? http://imgur.com/gallery/rU5hZxa
20:59.45Robotickingdid you guys hesr?
20:59.48Robotickinghear*
21:00.54Robotickingabout the star that NASA ( last ditch hypothesis) thinks aliens are building a Dyson sphere around?
21:01.08GhelYes.
21:01.15GhelWe had a short discussion about it earlier.
21:01.16Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/QrxHXj1
21:01.27Ghel[19:57] <@Ghel> I don't know who's seen this news yet (it's a couple of days old but I only found out a short while ago) - http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-most-interesting-star-in-our-galaxy/410023/ - in short, it's probably a group of comets that's been very recently pushed close to their star, but failing that, it's seems the next best explanation is that there's a dyson swarm 1480 ly away from us.
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21:01.43Ghel[19:58] <@Ghel> This after a survey of 100,000 galaxies earlier on this year found no evidence of galaxy-spanning astroengineering (but 143 potentially interesting candidates for smaller-scale projects).
21:01.43Wormy_Charles_Murray My link above ^
21:02.16HachimanHai Panda
21:02.19Ghel[20:04] <Wormy_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst               [20:04] <Wormy_> also interesting
21:03.55GhelI don't find occasional lone dyson spheres coupled with a significant lack of galactic engineering to be particularly comforting, though.
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21:05.10GhelIf anything it seems to hint at the griefer hypothesis as a solution to the Fermi paradox: a supercivilisation keeping within their dyson spheres, spread out across the universe to avoid being noticed, then firing upon any fledgeling spacefarers to wipe them out before they become a threat.
21:05.46Robotickingnot a warming hypthosis
21:06.04Wormy_What about kindly assimilation?
21:06.15Robotickingbut don't the spheres release waste as infrared
21:06.26Wormy_They might come and transcend us all at once
21:06.29HachimanRemember Clarke's Law
21:06.57TekDroidWhat's going on?
21:07.11Wormy_Robot's right, either they are too dim for detection or there is only this griefer civ
21:07.15GhelMaybe, Wormy. And Robot, this structure would still be emitting infrared, just not as much as the dust cloud that would be expected to coincide with any other explanation for the observed dimming.
21:07.37Wormy_I will say this though
21:07.41Wormy_One astrophysicist said that there could be matrioska brains next door so dim we can't detect them, and that was not long before this Infrared survey.
21:08.07Wormy_There must be some uncertainty in that survey
21:08.08GhelThe thing is, the strength of the Fermi paradox is "it only takes one": it would only take one civilisation in 100,000 galaxies to do something noticeable to us and we'd already know that exist.
21:08.50GhelIf you want to be optimistic in your views of the future, that means potentially millions of species have all decided not to do anything that could draw our attention.
21:09.24Wormy_Optimistic?  I believe if not others, we could be the civilisation that astroengineers the universe.
21:09.33Robotickingghel
21:09.42TekDroidI assume this is the stellar luminosity dip that's being hypothesized as megastructures?
21:09.58Robotickingyes
21:10.00Wormy_Yes, in tight formation around a star in this galaxy
21:10.14GhelSo the way I see it, any solution to the Fermi paradox (besides a huge scarcity of intelligent species) must also rely on equally strong reasoning: it only takes one civilisation to do [something] to prevent any other civilisation to being noticeable. So the griefer hypothesis is one such solution. As is friendly assimilation, etc.
21:10.52Robotickingghel, I meant as in the complete spheres release very little waste as infared, making it difficult to dtect te complete structures
21:10.53GhelEither way, it would imply there's a civilisation capable of systematically exerting its will over nearly every spacefaring species in at least 100,000 galaxies, and probably more.
21:10.59Robotickingdetect the*
21:11.30Wormy_I can see this idea stronger than "they are too alien", actually, because not all alien intelligences have to be Truly Alien.  Not unless their technology becomes so subtle after a brief period of time that we can't see them easily.
21:11.49GhelYes, it would be difficult to detect individual structures. But a huge number of them would significantly alter the ratio of visible to infrared light being emitted by a galaxy, and that's what the survey took advantage of.
21:11.59Robotickingah
21:12.44GhelThat also answers your similar concern when you mentioned the "Matrisoskha brains next door so dim we can't detect them", Wormy.
21:13.24Wormy_Fair enough, such beings would have to choose not to expand for whatever reason that might be
21:13.48GhelAnd yes, "they are too alien" is one of those explanations that would apply for many species, but by no means should apply to all of them. Practically every "explanation" for the Fermi paradox falls into that category.
21:14.30Wormy_If that is so, then a supercivilisation wouldn't be very effective at destroying them early after-all - and thats when we need to think about multiple explanations
21:14.45GhelThere'll be some that suffer setbacks before becoming interplanetary, those that decide interstellar travel is too expensive and give up, those that don't see the point in building megastructures, those that want to keep themselves hidden, those that have a sort of "Prime Directive" against pre-spacefaring species, etc, etc, etc.
21:15.20Wormy_Or those that discover some mysterious physics we have no knowledge in yet?
21:15.21GhelBut given enough spacefaring species, there'll eventually be some that slip through the gaps and become obvious. And it only takes one.
21:15.44GhelThat's another example, yes. I'm sure we could list dozens without even trying too hard.
21:15.46Wormy_Photino-bird like aliens
21:16.32Wormy_Anyway, I wouldn't get too excited
21:16.41GhelAs for the supercivilisation failing to destroy some aliens: that could well have happened too. But then I expect the survivors will never be able to make themselves obvious to us unless they somehow find us and make contact.
21:17.18Wormy_We'd have to rule out other phenomena in this system, potentially things we haven't even thought about before - exciting in its own right
21:17.48GhelComets is still looking the most likely explanation AFAIK.
21:18.34GhelThe paper itself is pretty exhaustive when it comes to phenomena we do know. It even considers planets being destroyed.
21:18.55Wormy_There is some anthropic/multiverse explanations that argue we might be the only life in the observable universe.  But I find them a bit dull and hard to believe, quite frankly.
21:21.38TekDroidYeah, the paper covers quite a few. Though it was rather uncertain on all of them. We'll find out more when they get that next data in Janurary.
21:22.33GhelThe paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf
21:23.34GhelA lot of them are all but ruled out: instrumental/data problems, intrinstic variability of the star, extrinsic variability caused by a companion. And basically all of the others ought to cause more dust than is observed.
21:23.48GhelOr other such things.
21:23.51Wormy_I think we should look for signs of relic technology in our system.  The fact of the matter is that what applies to dyson builders, also applies to expansion using self-replicating machines
21:24.21GhelI have considered what a sci-fi universe based on the griefer hypothesis might be like. It would arguably make a space opera scenario more realistic: even if FTL and other such technologies were possible, civilisations who possess them wouldn't go around building megastructures etc. because they'd just get killed, so you're restricted to things like small planetary colonies, small space habitats, and regular starships.
21:24.26Wormy_Just for presence of mining, and so on
21:26.36Wormy_And for them not being noticeable - we've only started to look at asteroids and dwarf planets closely;  they could be programmed to ignore systems with sentient life if we are lucky; or are nano or clarke-technological.
21:27.35GhelOne dyson sphere per billion stars would also give hundreds for every large galaxy - perhaps enough to strike against any possible threats and enforce the scenario - while also providing enough empty space to not directly interfere with plot otherwise.
21:28.12GhelSearching for probes in our solar system is certainly other possibly productive route of inquiry, yes.
21:28.48GhelEven on Pluto, with the short look at it we got there could even have been some hidden there for all we know.
21:29.17GhelAlas, it turns out the "lights" on Ceres probably aren't an alien mining colony.
21:29.23Wormy_Maybe the hider civilisations are quietly gathering new races (and have yet to contact us), and are planning for somekind of uprising
21:30.24Wormy_Perhaps humanity will try to strike at these Baryonic Lords
21:31.29GhelAn uprising against a dyson sphere would be like attacking a Death Star... only thousands of times bigger and without being able to target the reactor core. Unless there are starbusting weapons you can get past the defences.
21:32.10XhoIt will just impact on the surface
21:32.26GhelThe surface is one of the defences to get past.
21:32.30Wormy_Who knows, and if something like a hyperdrive exists, perhaps the dyson sphere civilisation missed it or stagnated
21:32.51GhelIt might just be a dyson swarm rather than a solid shell, too.
21:33.37GhelA space opera would certainly work better if hyperdrive exists. Although that doesn't mean the dyson sphere civilisation doesn't know about it: it would make them even more deadly with more rapid response times.
21:34.01Robotickinga swarm would be less costly than a dyson shell
21:34.07Wormy_We'd be dead already
21:34.22Wormy_There could be a Nicoll-Dyson beam heading our way though
21:34.49GhelThey still might not have any means of detecting us at FTL speeds.
21:35.20GhelAnd even hyperdrives might not be easily detectable over interstellar distances.
21:35.20Wormy_All they need is to have detected us within 100 or so lights
21:35.55Wormy_Actually that is very unlikely
21:35.59GhelAnd the dyson sphere is 1480 ly away. :P
21:37.10Wormy_Not unless there is a closer, mini dyson
21:37.36Wormy_or could assemble one in that time
21:38.00GhelThe even more conservative number I mentioned - one sphere per billion stars - would make it even easier for civilisations to get hyperdrives before being attacked. But building their own dyson sphere would take centuries, and they would be noticed soon enough for a fleet of billions of griefer warships to interfere.
21:39.58Ghel...You might then need more than one per billion stars. But still, they can be scarce enough for the scenario to work (for some aliens to survive) while being common enough to be effective.
21:41.55GhelThen there you go. A space opera with fantastic technologies while still being realistic *and* providing an explanation for the Fermi paradox.
21:45.39Wormy_There's one more scenario: the planetarium hypothesis, that we are in some-kind of construct or simulation either built for us or as a short-term experiment.  Falsifiable, because we would eventually find limits, like an end to irrational numbers, which there can only be one rational explanation
21:46.33Wormy_Stephen Baxter wrote a story where a spaceship reaches the edge of the solar system, and the simulation starts shutting down
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21:46.45JepardiHi
21:46.49GhelHello.
21:46.53Wormy_Because its more likely the aliens can't house us forever
21:47.40Wormy_Then, in a similar story, the universe was actually a construct by Quagma-like aliens in the Quark epoch
21:48.10Wormy_to simulate the future of the universe, with godlike astroengineering technology of their own
21:48.14GhelAh, yes. I suppose the planetarium hypothesis is somewhat like an "it only takes one" scenario, although it focuses on our position specifically rather than on there being aliens who affect every civilisation.
21:49.28Wormy_You can take it even further
21:49.59Wormy_Focusing on yourself, a brain created with false memories about to be destroyed in a picosecond
21:50.44Wormy_I hope astrophysicists are successful in ruling out Boltzmann brains
21:52.21GhelIf you're going to be paranoid that you are one, I don't think that would make a difference. It just means they don't exist in the fake physics of your Boltmann-brain imagination; you might as well hope scientists rule out the possibility of brains-in-jars.
21:52.30GhelBoltzmann*
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21:58.53GhelHello.
21:58.58The_RandomnessHello
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22:00.16The_RandomnessHello
22:00.41Wormy_All one can hope for then, is that a Boltzmann brain could work out in lives in fake physics
22:00.47Wormy_*it
22:00.51Wormy_hi
22:00.53GhelAnd, since tomorrow is my one 9am of the week this semester, bye!
22:00.56Wormy_bye
22:01.07Wormy_same actually
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22:04.46Monethi
22:05.05MonetGhel: This gave me a thought although I guess its been done before somewhere.
22:06.17MonetI had this idea of what the Draconid Imperium might call "aeon engines"; artificial intelligences that I guess are a type of swarm intelligence that expand themselves over time. Becoming larger and more complex as they age.
22:06.53Wormy_http://9gag.com/gag/a5KXmYg?ref=fbp
22:07.05Wormy_He's gone
22:08.10MonetI mixed up who was leaving for a 9am schedule. My bad
22:08.21MonetStill.
22:09.24MonetI guess the older Aeon Engines in the Imperium could be phenomenal computation engines.
22:10.11MonetNot sure specifically what they could be used for but I can see the Royal Academy finding an interest in them
22:12.38MonetActually this makes me wonder: It would mean that the AI Netspace would have "bretheren" of sorts within the Imperium.
22:14.36MonetWhat are the possible social ramifications of immense AI that the Grand Senate would prefer not being aligned to an organisation alien to Imperial space?
22:16.06CyrannianNight folks!
22:16.12AdmiralPandacya
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22:20.03Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Fall_of_Talmyr#Knocking_on_Hell.27s_Gate +100,000 edit coming your way
22:27.46dromHachiman: https://i.imgur.com/NfxkKgg.jpg
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22:29.16AdmiralPandaHachi's dating life in a nutshell
22:30.02HachimanVery good epilogue to the fiction that, Xho
22:30.19HachimanWas a good fic to do
22:31.26dromWormy_: https://twitter.com/GonzoHacker/status/654297693406105601
22:37.26Wormy_lol
22:38.29RobotickingI must go for now
22:38.31RobotickingFarwell
22:40.37dromoh my god it is 00:40 already
22:41.25dromlike
22:41.27dromugh
22:43.47Wormy_lab grown meat http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34540193
22:45.23The_RandomnessThat's pretty neat, I remember first hearing about stuff like that a while ago
22:45.49The_RandomnessSounds like they've come a long way with it
22:47.57Wormy_"Why did a woman take her 12-year-old nephew to court in the US state of Connecticut this week?"
22:48.19Wormy_" - Jennifer Connell unsuccessfully tried to sue for $127,000 after her nephew's over-exuberant hug caused her to fall and break her wrist. She said she wasn't mad at her nephew - the case was just aimed at getting the homeowner’s insurance to pay her medical bills."
22:48.28Wormy_With context, its understandable
22:49.22DrodoEmpireSad they had to go to that extraordinary length
22:49.31Wormy_Its sad that she has to get her relative's insurance, 217,000 dollars for a broken wrist
22:50.01Wormy_In the UK, you might have to put up waiting for A&E for half a day, but at least its free
22:50.25Wormy_*127
23:04.06Wormy_goodnight
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