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10:46.27 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
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11:34.22 | drom | HachiCollege http://i.imgur.com/kdeSknM.jpg |
11:34.37 | drom | Sorry for distraction but I felt like to share it |
11:41.37 | drom | Liquid_Ink: I found a bookstore that tells underrated novels, books and RPG stuff |
11:42.07 | Liquid_Ink | Oh? |
11:42.13 | drom | I happen to found William Gibson's "Neuromancer" in both book and pocket formats |
11:42.39 | drom | I peeked inside the two first pages, I was already blown away how dystopian it was |
11:43.25 | drom | Dystopian cyberpunk I'll tell you |
11:43.36 | drom | So yeah, I bought it along two other books |
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11:44.18 | Jepardi | Hi |
11:44.36 | drom | Heyo |
11:45.13 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer |
11:46.08 | drom | Other than that, I've also found tons and tons of Star Wars, Warhammer and other cult-popular fantasy books and rpg games and props for them. |
11:46.43 | drom | It is like I just walked into the Comic Guy's store |
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11:47.49 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:48.04 | drom | Heyo |
11:48.25 | drom | Ah oh. I even found Star Trek novels in the same department |
11:49.23 | Liquid_Ink | Dymooks has a nice set of StarTrek Novels |
11:49.44 | drom | There are a bunch of Terry Pratchett sci-fi and fantasy novels |
11:49.58 | drom | But no luck on finding Stephen Baxter |
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11:50.16 | Ghelae | Hello. |
11:54.38 | drom | Interesting, but the book store is a local business though. |
11:55.00 | drom | So I want to buy something from there, I got to go there and find myself the books I'm looking for |
11:55.37 | drom | It is also a center for RPG, board games, card games and more |
11:57.23 | drom | Anyway. The second book I bought is the first book of James S.A. Corey's "The Expanse" series, namely "Levithan Wakes" |
11:58.11 | drom | The third is just a historic novel from one of my favorite Swedish authors |
11:59.41 | drom | So it is going to be an interesting reading experience |
12:09.01 | drom | Wormy_: https://40.media.tumblr.com/d8cf9b6678f4c677bbf8a635d5636179/tumblr_nw4q8y9fvj1r8yrlro1_540.jpg |
12:09.57 | Wormy_ | Uh oh, its emerging |
12:19.49 | drom | Wormy_ Ghelae Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/VQs5rJK.jpg |
12:26.17 | Wormy_ | lol |
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12:43.21 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
12:45.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
13:05.30 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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13:23.12 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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13:31.34 | Wormy_ | drom http://imgur.com/gallery/M8fnFya |
13:33.43 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/KMoRYdo.jpg |
13:34.34 | Wormy_ | and more http://imgur.com/gallery/GaTcG |
13:35.27 | Wormy_ | http://forlackofabettercomic.com/img/comic/275.png |
13:36.56 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/u3x59HC |
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13:48.10 | drom | Wormy_: "The Alcobet" |
13:48.13 | drom | fit you hur |
13:48.16 | drom | fits* |
13:48.53 | Wormy_ | lol |
13:51.53 | Wormy_ | I'm not an alcoholic though, I can say "no". I've had only had a glass of wine in the last week and half |
13:52.28 | Wormy_ | Only a few times a year do I have more than a couple of pints and get "hammered" |
13:53.26 | Wormy_ | Most people my age, especially students, go out to get hammered every week |
13:54.55 | Wormy_ | I'm definately in the green range most of the time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Possible_long-term_effects_of_ethanol.svg |
14:08.23 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/RKltMN7.jpg |
14:08.49 | Wormy_ | yo dog |
14:10.05 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/gjuvNjA.jpg |
14:10.41 | Wormy_ | aboose |
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14:25.50 | Wormy_ | Ghelae, drom: This universe looks interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fire_Upon_the_Deep |
14:26.34 | Wormy_ | Inverts the goal in most sci-fi to go to the centre of the galaxy too |
14:27.16 | drom | Speaking of space opera. I bought this book today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_Wakes |
14:29.31 | drom | I also found an other series of books in the same store, which has more xenobiology in it, though still centralized on the humans, who are in the series fleeing from the sins of Earth |
14:30.26 | drom | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Honor-Fenris-Novel-Book-ebook/dp/B00C6NK82O |
14:31.33 | Wormy_ | Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars also sounds like an interesting series |
14:31.37 | drom | Though I need to finish reading two other books first. |
14:32.09 | drom | A Swedish criminology book and that "The Long Earth" which I've not read in a while |
14:33.45 | Wormy_ | There is too much sci-fi I want to read |
14:35.03 | drom | Same here hur |
14:35.29 | drom | I also bought William Gibson's "Neuromancer" |
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14:37.36 | Wormy_ | Dragon's Egg, Robert Forward, Greg Egan's Orthogonal series, Long Earth, Evolution and Xeelee Endurance by Stephen Baxter, the Mars trilogy Kim Robinson, A Fire Upon the Deep by Venor Vinge, Revelation Space by Alistair Reynolds, more Ringworld and Culture novels by Larry Niven and Iain banks, and the Difference engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling |
14:38.48 | drom | "The Expanse" and the "A Fenris Novel" might be some for you too |
14:39.01 | drom | They both are series mind you |
14:39.42 | drom | The Expanse is a series of 5 fricking bricks |
14:40.13 | Ghelae | Wormy_: It looks like the ideas of "A Fire Upon The Deep" might be an attempt to resolve the Fermi paradox while also allowing for space opera technology and aliens. If so it's not completely effective, but it's a nice idea. |
14:40.50 | Wormy_ | indeed |
14:42.39 | drom | Wormy_: Ann Leckie's "Imperial Radch" trilogy may be something for you too. Ancillary Justice is the first book if you are asking |
14:42.54 | Wormy_ | looking at them now |
14:44.36 | Wormy_ | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Proxima-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0575116846 |
14:44.40 | Wormy_ | This was a strange book |
14:44.46 | drom | Wormy_: Here's the aforementioned brick with a banana for scale http://i.imgur.com/70poN3d.jpg |
14:45.42 | Wormy_ | Xeelee Omnibus (without banana system) http://media.ove.cybermage.se/2010/03/new-books-march-25-2010.png |
14:46.42 | drom | That t-shit suffice |
14:46.43 | Wormy_ | I type in Xeelee Omnibus banana and what do I find? http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228154046/spore/images/1/17/Naakjidreadnought01.png |
14:46.47 | drom | shirt* |
14:46.49 | drom | fss |
14:47.11 | drom | wat |
14:47.49 | Wormy_ | I must talk about Xeelee so much, and you talk about bananas so much |
14:47.57 | Wormy_ | *and you must |
14:49.17 | drom | Well. I get this on google http://i.imgur.com/PvQEm4b.jpg |
14:49.18 | Charles_Murray | I find this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Xeelee+Omnibus+banana&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMImKfhudzEyAIVyh8eCh0y8QuO&biw=1440&bih=702#imgrc=imSQgVhNoxngsM%3A |
14:49.37 | drom | Hah! Beat you to it! |
14:49.49 | Charles_Murray | Thanks for rubbing it in :P |
14:50.10 | drom | ~give Charles_Murray a cookie |
14:50.14 | infobot | ACTION gives Charles_Murray a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
14:51.44 | drom | Wormy_: I find it odd that Stephen Baxter's books has probably the best and orgasmic covers I've ever seen on sci-fi books |
14:52.29 | Wormy_ | Yes, they are more like artworks you got on sci-fi books in the 70s and 80s |
14:52.43 | drom | brb gettin dinner |
14:52.43 | Wormy_ | Best era for sci-fi art in my opinion |
14:52.52 | Wormy_ | Today its all "Everything is an Ipod" |
14:53.02 | Wormy_ | Or Ipad maybe |
14:53.29 | drom | Or flashy and poorly photoshopped covers |
14:55.49 | Wormy_ | drom: http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1346403688l/66795.jpg http://www.stephen-baxter.com/images/books/TimelikeLS.gif http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/books/1295247343i/843563._UY200_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51skxtO0WzL._AC_UL320_SR196,320_.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Raft_Stephen_Baxter.jpg |
14:56.19 | Wormy_ | I actually wish I got the books seperately in a way, just because I could have had those covers |
14:59.49 | Wormy_ | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Flux_Stephen_Baxter.jpg |
14:59.52 | Wormy_ | missed one |
15:01.06 | Wormy_ | That's a neutron star with tiny artificial humans living on it, making a city out of superconducting "wood" after their creastors abandoned them (turns out the star is a torpeo hurtling towards the Xeelee) |
15:02.27 | Wormy_ | Technology abd scale in the Xeeleeverse is unimaginably powerful |
15:02.32 | Wormy_ | anyway, bbl |
15:12.33 | drom | Wormy_away: I almost forgot to mention that the book store even got some Dr. Who novels |
15:15.09 | Wormy_away | cool |
15:15.18 | Wormy_away | Baxter wrote one recently |
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15:16.49 | Cyrannian | Hi |
15:16.53 | drom | ... and Star Wars novels, the RPG game some merch... hard to describe how much of a geek's heaven that book store was |
15:18.23 | OluapPlayer | ~throw Cyrannian |
15:18.23 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
15:18.38 | Cyrannian | ~destroy OluapPlayer |
15:18.38 | infobot | no |
15:22.33 | drom | infobot, tell me about me |
15:23.45 | drom | ~tell me about Wormy |
15:23.53 | drom | Yep, it works |
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15:36.42 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opB80ULb05w&feature=youtu.be brutal |
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15:38.43 | drom | Technoblierator: The link's end combined with your message makes it read more like "youtube [be] brutal" |
15:39.00 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: That ending |
15:39.03 | OluapPlayer | My sides |
15:39.16 | Technobliterator | Boss, you killed a child?...Amazing! Mission complete! |
15:39.30 | Technobliterator | That right there is why you're the best, boss! |
15:43.32 | OluapPlayer | Tactical Niglet Bullying |
15:44.14 | Technobliterator | lmao |
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15:56.00 | OluapPlayer_ | Technobliterator: Kazuhira "Only so many pigments in my fulton shipments" Miller |
15:56.20 | Technobliterator | KKKaz |
15:57.06 | Technobliterator | one funny thing |
15:57.42 | Technobliterator | even though Kaz died in MGS1, he still won in the end because Solid Snake beat everyone |
15:58.00 | OluapPlayer_ | More or less |
15:58.39 | Technobliterator | the whole series is basically Zero vs Big Boss and Kaz vs Ocelot |
16:31.19 | drom | Wormy_away: http://kenket.deviantart.com/art/I-m-A-Fox-And-You-Are-Not-566059704 |
16:31.20 | Imperios | What is this about racism |
16:31.34 | Imperios | Who started a discussion about racism and did not invite me |
16:33.37 | drom | Both of em |
16:34.11 | OluapPlayer_ | How about you go finish pages |
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16:52.04 | Wormy_away | I'm going to prank people who visit my home with it |
16:53.42 | Ghelae | So, making a fake table surface above it like they did with the rubik's cube in the video? |
16:54.07 | Wormy_away | Yes, though I may have to use something else for more originality |
16:54.57 | Imperios | I can actually finish pages now |
16:55.04 | Imperios | For the first time in a week, I have spare time |
16:55.13 | Imperios | *the |
16:55.20 | Ghelae | A comment suggests doing the same thing as that scrunched up paper ball, but then setting it on fire so you have a levitating flame. |
16:55.44 | Wormy_away | That sounds a little dangerous |
16:56.08 | OluapPlayer_ | Get ur butt movin then |
16:56.30 | Wormy_ | BTW, there's a philosophy talk on in 4 minutes, by that favourite physicist of mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHT6aOv118c |
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16:57.23 | Ghelae | Depending on how exactly the device works, the high temperature might also disrupt the magnetism by going above the curie temperature. |
16:57.42 | Ghelae | Hello. |
16:57.57 | Cyrannian | Hai |
16:58.05 | Wormy_ | Yes, the instructions say that if the device gets hot, let it cool down for a minute or so |
16:58.26 | Wormy_ | It also clearly instructs not putting it near a computer or phone |
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16:59.40 | Ghelae | Electric currents + changing magnetic fields is generally not a good combination to have out in the open. Often more dangerous than levitating flames. |
17:00.43 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
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17:06.29 | Wormy_ | Still, I've kept it on for a few minutes at a time |
17:06.30 | Imperios | Can you ping me when Luxor comes? |
17:06.38 | Wormy_ | And its not gotten hot |
17:06.48 | Wormy_ | So yes, pretty good device |
17:08.19 | Wormy_ | This link works, the other one isn't http://stream5.radiomonitor.com/RSA1?token=Y4aBZWuEhWloh4eDhZN+ |
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17:19.29 | Hachiman | Hai |
17:19.39 | Technobliterator | hi 8man |
17:20.09 | Imperios | Wormy_ Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vTzgOBC9A Dear God the comments |
17:20.16 | Technobliterator | or is it 8th man |
17:20.32 | Hachiman | What the fuck are you talking about hur |
17:20.51 | Technobliterator | Well, "hachi" means "eight" in Japanese |
17:20.54 | Technobliterator | so, 8man! |
17:21.01 | Hachiman | Oh |
17:21.11 | Hachiman | I forgot about that |
17:21.20 | Imperios | And an ethnic slur in Russian hur |
17:21.40 | Hachiman | More specifically it'd probably be Eightuman |
17:21.47 | Hachiman | Or Eituman |
17:22.00 | Technobliterator | romaji would most likely be eituman yup |
17:22.30 | Hachiman | You learning Japanese then? |
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17:23.25 | Technobliterator | I am indeed |
17:23.32 | Wormy_ | Hachiman https://twitter.com/ChrisHewitt/status/595648501268230145/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw |
17:23.35 | Technobliterator | I only just started, so I'm not really good yet |
17:23.54 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Ohgod my sides |
17:26.16 | Imperios | Ilbon-saram gajang-nappa |
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17:29.15 | Imperios | Does everyone here study East Asian languages or something |
17:29.21 | Imperios | We have a problem though, none of us know Mandarin |
17:30.29 | Hachiman | I don't academically |
17:33.36 | Technobliterator | I don't have any real use for learning Mandarin, but Japanese is useful because of how many Japanese videogames I play and because I want to visit there at some point in my life |
17:33.45 | Technobliterator | I'm fairly sure I know who I'm working for, though |
17:34.18 | Hachiman | inb4 Squeenix |
17:34.24 | Technobliterator | nah |
17:34.25 | Technobliterator | Wikia |
17:34.45 | Technobliterator | I actually have a decent chance of getting a job with them : | |
17:34.57 | Hachiman | I wonder how much that will pay |
17:35.12 | Imperios | Technobliterator: You will |
17:35.18 | Technobliterator | From talking to the staff, it pays pretty well |
17:35.24 | Imperios | You will when the New Chinese Empire rises to conquer the world |
17:35.27 | Technobliterator | at least, well enough that they can afford to live in SF |
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17:49.59 | Cyrannian | So Boris Johnson rugby tackled a 10 year old in Japan |
17:54.21 | Hachiman | Aye I saw |
17:54.28 | Hachiman | It was the funniest thing I have seen for a while |
17:55.05 | Cyrannian | http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/23FD/production/_86131290_hi029617153.jpg so majestic |
17:58.14 | Ghel | I thought you meant he'd just attacked a random ten-year-old on the street. |
18:02.18 | Wormy_ | Ghel: So David Deutsch says that inventions like paper have already changed the human condition, so being a cyborg may not always mean being made of a percentage of silicon or enhanced biology. |
18:02.28 | Wormy_ | Its not the first time I've heard this view |
18:02.42 | Wormy_ | They say the modern cyborg needs no implants |
18:02.42 | Ghel | Yes. In case you didn't know it's now being streamed on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXi04CuV7g |
18:03.35 | Wormy_ | I personally like the idea of pervasive computing, augmented reality and "wearable" devices as opposed to surgical ones |
18:04.12 | Wormy_ | Yes, but the sounds awful, so I'm listening to the audio stream and watching the video, sadly out of sync |
18:15.02 | Wormy_ | modernpolitics.jpg https://sparky2301.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/use_size120_2016.jpg |
18:18.52 | Wormy_ | Ghel: He did knock the child down though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34537841 |
18:19.18 | Ghel | Oh, good. I would have been disappointed in him otherwise. |
18:20.35 | Wormy_ | Meh, kids are too wrapped in cotton wool these days, in the UK anyway |
18:22.04 | Wormy_ | So, bees like morning coffee too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34532636 |
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18:31.35 | Hachiman | Hai |
18:34.35 | Imperios | Wormy_ Technobliterator Monet Hachiman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0vTzgOBC9A Damn the comments |
18:34.48 | Imperios | "Wow, people are offended, how dare they! I am offended by the fact people are offended!" |
18:36.43 | Wormy_ | I'll watch it later bbs |
18:57.12 | Wormy_ | People need to chill out |
18:57.23 | Ghel | I don't know who's seen this news yet (it's a couple of days old but I only found out a short while ago) - http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-most-interesting-star-in-our-galaxy/410023/ - in short, it's probably a group of comets that's been very recently pushed close to their star, but failing that, it's seems the next best explanation is that there's a dyson swarm 1480 ly away from us. |
18:58.11 | Wormy_ | literally dropped his sandwitch |
18:58.13 | Hachiman | inb4 our extinction approaches |
18:58.41 | Ghel | This after a survey of 100,000 galaxies earlier on this year found no evidence of galaxy-spanning astroengineering (but 143 potentially interesting candidates for smaller-scale projects). |
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18:59.59 | Ghel | Hello. |
19:00.19 | Xho | Meow |
19:00.22 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
19:00.51 | Monet | Hi |
19:04.45 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst |
19:04.49 | Wormy_ | also interesting |
19:06.09 | Technobliterator | konbawa, xho |
19:06.14 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: Are you guys busy because we could finish the Fantasyverse section |
19:06.19 | Xho | konbanwa u meen |
19:06.26 | OluapPlayer | We can |
19:06.28 | Imperios | No I am not |
19:06.32 | Imperios | WE can |
19:06.50 | Technobliterator | yeah |
19:06.51 | Technobliterator | that was it |
19:07.20 | Hachiman | I feel rather tired but no, I'm not busy |
19:07.39 | Xho | https://titanpad.com/QNbnqfZlh3 2 bad work til u drop |
19:09.08 | Xho | Imperios : ^ |
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19:09.16 | drom | DIE IN A FIRE YOU FUCKING WARTFACED NONSENTIENT SHITEATING GRINCHTURDWAFFLE, NO WONDER WHY EVERYONE WANTS TO GET LAID WITH YOUR WORTHLESS ULCER-FILLED CUNT |
19:09.20 | drom | Ops |
19:09.25 | DrodoEmpire | ... |
19:09.28 | DrodoEmpire | Love you too drom |
19:09.32 | DrodoEmpire | <3 |
19:10.05 | Xho | So |
19:10.06 | drom | Talk about nice coincidence you walked into here |
19:10.07 | Xho | That happened |
19:10.37 | Technobliterator | .__. |
19:11.17 | Wormy_ | Grinchturdwaffle is new to me |
19:11.18 | drom | In other words, I've no idea why this compiler says it doesn't understand my code |
19:12.14 | drom | It also happen to be one of the worst compilers for cross-platform development, so yeah |
19:12.28 | Ghel | Probably because it's not actually a compiler, but a shiteating grinchturdwaffle in disguise. |
19:14.32 | Imperios | Technobliterator: How would you call Sefarina's people's priests/sorcerers? |
19:14.36 | Imperios | Shamans? Druids? Stargazers? |
19:14.49 | Technobliterator | I have no idea, I just assumed they were no longer canon :o |
19:14.55 | Technobliterator | Urm, stargazers works best |
19:15.28 | Xho | Kartansimal - praise me |
19:16.33 | Wormy_ | Imperios: I found this "Europe was actually created 5,000 years before God created earth.They came around the same time as the rest of the Nordic peoples came, when the last ice age ended" |
19:17.07 | Imperios | LOGIC IS A JEWISH INVENTION |
19:17.20 | Imperios | The will of Hitler defies space and time |
19:17.52 | Imperios | Technobliterator: They are part of the Hetmanate, I can't remove them from canon without much retconning |
19:18.06 | Technobliterator | alright |
19:19.40 | Imperios | I'll probably make them more Finno-Ugric-ish/Balt-ish rather than the Native American-SSAfrican mix you intended |
19:21.23 | Technobliterator | shrugs |
19:22.00 | Wormy_ | Actually I keep seeing a lot of neonazi ideology on youtube, whether its trying to say Europeans came first or now that Europe came first. I don't know whether I'm noticing because its been pointed out to me, or whether there is some new source of bullshit these people are reading |
19:22.56 | Wormy_ | Of course, these ideas aren't new but I'm noticing more |
19:25.58 | Imperios | Technobliterator: http://static02.rupor.sampo.ru/9924/reindeers1_big.jpg Like these fellas |
19:26.12 | Technobliterator | works for me |
19:26.21 | Technobliterator | I have no opinion, though |
19:27.52 | Imperios | It's just the northernmost "tribal" people I can think of |
19:29.27 | Imperios | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/ca/Saphronian_Starrows.png/revision/latest?cb=20151015192857 That'll be their symbol |
19:34.54 | Wormy_ | Ghel, drom, Hachiman: "The Bulk Beings are closing the tesseract" http://imgur.com/gallery/pNFcSso |
19:35.40 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/OmhrIx1 |
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19:39.03 | Wormy_ | You might have needed to watch Intersatellar to get that reference, oh well |
19:43.31 | Ghel | That bin thing is an unusual magic trick. But it does remind me of that Doctor Who episode. |
19:45.17 | Wormy_ | Which one? |
19:46.10 | Xho | With the rubbish bins |
19:46.15 | Xho | Cmon even I know that one |
19:46.45 | Ghel | Which episode? The one with the 2D people. |
19:46.52 | Wormy_ | The 2D entities which sucked people into walls or the bin that tried to people because of the Nacene consciousness? |
19:46.53 | Xho | bah |
19:46.54 | Wormy_ | Oh |
19:47.10 | Wormy_ | *tried to eat |
19:47.19 | Wormy_ | I see |
19:50.40 | Ghel | Something going into a bin was not the strange part of that gif. :P |
19:53.40 | Wormy_ | Glitch in the matrix |
19:54.59 | Imperios | drom Wormy_ Xho: http://krautchan.net/files/1444938848001.jpeg |
19:55.58 | Wormy_ | Damnit Rambo |
19:56.53 | Xho | dam |
19:58.03 | Wormy_ | try reading this out loud in sync http://imgur.com/gallery/awgnsgM |
19:59.41 | Wormy_ | Fuck I'm now reading twice as fast |
20:02.48 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/djb1Gzz "I see your English breakfast and raise you an American dinner http://i.imgur.com/l7K61Rm.jpg" "Pomegranate seeds on the dessert?! That's a little too red for me commie." |
20:03.59 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
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20:09.03 | Imperios | Xho Hachiman: Apparently a punishment in Iran for throwing acid in someone's face is getting acid thrown at *your* face |
20:09.07 | Imperios | *at |
20:09.11 | Xho | Hm |
20:09.24 | Xho | Well the Mesopotamians did invent the eye for an eye law |
20:09.34 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: I see they're still big fans of Hammurabi's laws. |
20:09.39 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: Yes. |
20:09.47 | Xho | mwahaha |
20:10.00 | Xho | Wait I thought it was Ur-Nammu |
20:10.03 | Xho | Hm I dunno |
20:10.10 | DrodoEmpire | They also said that if a house collapsed and killed someone, the builder of that house would be killed as punishment |
20:10.25 | DrodoEmpire | So... Yeah. >.< |
20:10.56 | Ghel | Was the builder to be killed by having a house fall on them? |
20:11.10 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think so |
20:11.19 | Ghel | They missed a trick there then. |
20:18.11 | Wormy_ | In Britain, and many places in fact, they used to bury children alive in bridges, for good luck. |
20:19.48 | DrodoEmpire | Sensible. |
20:19.54 | OluapPlayer_ | Brits are scary |
20:19.56 | drom | Wormy_ Ghel: What was the name of an event e.g. a short reaches it's maximum value, an other step cause it go negative. |
20:20.29 | Ghel | Obviously, people are born with a set amount of luck. Therefore, if you kill them when they're young, all that luck isn't used up and instead leaks out into the environment, e.g. the bridge that you've built around them. It makes perfect sense. |
20:20.44 | Xho | We still do that btw |
20:20.45 | Xho | Or do we |
20:20.50 | Xho | No maybe not |
20:20.57 | Hachiman | That's some Essence bullshit right there |
20:22.10 | Wormy_ | Are you saying we might have stepped backward by not burying kids in bridges today? |
20:22.21 | Ghel | drom: I don't know. |
20:22.30 | DrodoEmpire | Of course! Ghel's theory is airtight. |
20:22.39 | Ghel | We do still bury children in bridges today. We just don't tell anybody about it. |
20:22.51 | Ghel | What else can we do when we have so many more orphans than adoptions? |
20:23.26 | DrodoEmpire | We have to start burying children alive again! Maybe it'll scare the little shits into doing their chores. <.< |
20:24.39 | drom | Ghel Wormy_: I think I found it out, it is called "integer overflow" |
20:24.39 | Ghel | We don't really need to build that many bridges any more. What we should do instead is turn children into fuel, so when they go into cars the luck prevents the cars from crashing. |
20:24.56 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_overflow |
20:25.12 | Ghel | drom: Yes, I think that's right. |
20:26.19 | Ghel | And if cars don't crash, we won't have so many children dying on the roads any more. |
20:26.48 | DrodoEmpire | Perfect! |
20:28.28 | Ghel | And here was me thinking I might have gone too far with this. |
20:38.26 | Wormy_ | Nothings too far, we should embrace such innovation |
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20:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | test |
20:43.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
20:43.54 | Roboticking | hello |
20:43.57 | Ghel | Hello. |
20:56.07 | Roboticking | hello ghel |
20:58.40 | Wormy_ | Batman, what happened to you? http://imgur.com/gallery/rU5hZxa |
20:59.45 | Roboticking | did you guys hesr? |
20:59.48 | Roboticking | hear* |
21:00.54 | Roboticking | about the star that NASA ( last ditch hypothesis) thinks aliens are building a Dyson sphere around? |
21:01.08 | Ghel | Yes. |
21:01.15 | Ghel | We had a short discussion about it earlier. |
21:01.16 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QrxHXj1 |
21:01.27 | Ghel | [19:57] <@Ghel> I don't know who's seen this news yet (it's a couple of days old but I only found out a short while ago) - http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-most-interesting-star-in-our-galaxy/410023/ - in short, it's probably a group of comets that's been very recently pushed close to their star, but failing that, it's seems the next best explanation is that there's a dyson swarm 1480 ly away from us. |
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21:01.43 | Ghel | [19:58] <@Ghel> This after a survey of 100,000 galaxies earlier on this year found no evidence of galaxy-spanning astroengineering (but 143 potentially interesting candidates for smaller-scale projects). |
21:01.43 | Wormy_ | Charles_Murray My link above ^ |
21:02.16 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
21:02.19 | Ghel | [20:04] <Wormy_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst [20:04] <Wormy_> also interesting |
21:03.55 | Ghel | I don't find occasional lone dyson spheres coupled with a significant lack of galactic engineering to be particularly comforting, though. |
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21:05.10 | Ghel | If anything it seems to hint at the griefer hypothesis as a solution to the Fermi paradox: a supercivilisation keeping within their dyson spheres, spread out across the universe to avoid being noticed, then firing upon any fledgeling spacefarers to wipe them out before they become a threat. |
21:05.46 | Roboticking | not a warming hypthosis |
21:06.04 | Wormy_ | What about kindly assimilation? |
21:06.15 | Roboticking | but don't the spheres release waste as infrared |
21:06.26 | Wormy_ | They might come and transcend us all at once |
21:06.29 | Hachiman | Remember Clarke's Law |
21:06.57 | TekDroid | What's going on? |
21:07.11 | Wormy_ | Robot's right, either they are too dim for detection or there is only this griefer civ |
21:07.15 | Ghel | Maybe, Wormy. And Robot, this structure would still be emitting infrared, just not as much as the dust cloud that would be expected to coincide with any other explanation for the observed dimming. |
21:07.37 | Wormy_ | I will say this though |
21:07.41 | Wormy_ | One astrophysicist said that there could be matrioska brains next door so dim we can't detect them, and that was not long before this Infrared survey. |
21:08.07 | Wormy_ | There must be some uncertainty in that survey |
21:08.08 | Ghel | The thing is, the strength of the Fermi paradox is "it only takes one": it would only take one civilisation in 100,000 galaxies to do something noticeable to us and we'd already know that exist. |
21:08.50 | Ghel | If you want to be optimistic in your views of the future, that means potentially millions of species have all decided not to do anything that could draw our attention. |
21:09.24 | Wormy_ | Optimistic? I believe if not others, we could be the civilisation that astroengineers the universe. |
21:09.33 | Roboticking | ghel |
21:09.42 | TekDroid | I assume this is the stellar luminosity dip that's being hypothesized as megastructures? |
21:09.58 | Roboticking | yes |
21:10.00 | Wormy_ | Yes, in tight formation around a star in this galaxy |
21:10.14 | Ghel | So the way I see it, any solution to the Fermi paradox (besides a huge scarcity of intelligent species) must also rely on equally strong reasoning: it only takes one civilisation to do [something] to prevent any other civilisation to being noticeable. So the griefer hypothesis is one such solution. As is friendly assimilation, etc. |
21:10.52 | Roboticking | ghel, I meant as in the complete spheres release very little waste as infared, making it difficult to dtect te complete structures |
21:10.53 | Ghel | Either way, it would imply there's a civilisation capable of systematically exerting its will over nearly every spacefaring species in at least 100,000 galaxies, and probably more. |
21:10.59 | Roboticking | detect the* |
21:11.30 | Wormy_ | I can see this idea stronger than "they are too alien", actually, because not all alien intelligences have to be Truly Alien. Not unless their technology becomes so subtle after a brief period of time that we can't see them easily. |
21:11.49 | Ghel | Yes, it would be difficult to detect individual structures. But a huge number of them would significantly alter the ratio of visible to infrared light being emitted by a galaxy, and that's what the survey took advantage of. |
21:11.59 | Roboticking | ah |
21:12.44 | Ghel | That also answers your similar concern when you mentioned the "Matrisoskha brains next door so dim we can't detect them", Wormy. |
21:13.24 | Wormy_ | Fair enough, such beings would have to choose not to expand for whatever reason that might be |
21:13.48 | Ghel | And yes, "they are too alien" is one of those explanations that would apply for many species, but by no means should apply to all of them. Practically every "explanation" for the Fermi paradox falls into that category. |
21:14.30 | Wormy_ | If that is so, then a supercivilisation wouldn't be very effective at destroying them early after-all - and thats when we need to think about multiple explanations |
21:14.45 | Ghel | There'll be some that suffer setbacks before becoming interplanetary, those that decide interstellar travel is too expensive and give up, those that don't see the point in building megastructures, those that want to keep themselves hidden, those that have a sort of "Prime Directive" against pre-spacefaring species, etc, etc, etc. |
21:15.20 | Wormy_ | Or those that discover some mysterious physics we have no knowledge in yet? |
21:15.21 | Ghel | But given enough spacefaring species, there'll eventually be some that slip through the gaps and become obvious. And it only takes one. |
21:15.44 | Ghel | That's another example, yes. I'm sure we could list dozens without even trying too hard. |
21:15.46 | Wormy_ | Photino-bird like aliens |
21:16.32 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I wouldn't get too excited |
21:16.41 | Ghel | As for the supercivilisation failing to destroy some aliens: that could well have happened too. But then I expect the survivors will never be able to make themselves obvious to us unless they somehow find us and make contact. |
21:17.18 | Wormy_ | We'd have to rule out other phenomena in this system, potentially things we haven't even thought about before - exciting in its own right |
21:17.48 | Ghel | Comets is still looking the most likely explanation AFAIK. |
21:18.34 | Ghel | The paper itself is pretty exhaustive when it comes to phenomena we do know. It even considers planets being destroyed. |
21:18.55 | Wormy_ | There is some anthropic/multiverse explanations that argue we might be the only life in the observable universe. But I find them a bit dull and hard to believe, quite frankly. |
21:21.38 | TekDroid | Yeah, the paper covers quite a few. Though it was rather uncertain on all of them. We'll find out more when they get that next data in Janurary. |
21:22.33 | Ghel | The paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf |
21:23.34 | Ghel | A lot of them are all but ruled out: instrumental/data problems, intrinstic variability of the star, extrinsic variability caused by a companion. And basically all of the others ought to cause more dust than is observed. |
21:23.48 | Ghel | Or other such things. |
21:23.51 | Wormy_ | I think we should look for signs of relic technology in our system. The fact of the matter is that what applies to dyson builders, also applies to expansion using self-replicating machines |
21:24.21 | Ghel | I have considered what a sci-fi universe based on the griefer hypothesis might be like. It would arguably make a space opera scenario more realistic: even if FTL and other such technologies were possible, civilisations who possess them wouldn't go around building megastructures etc. because they'd just get killed, so you're restricted to things like small planetary colonies, small space habitats, and regular starships. |
21:24.26 | Wormy_ | Just for presence of mining, and so on |
21:26.36 | Wormy_ | And for them not being noticeable - we've only started to look at asteroids and dwarf planets closely; they could be programmed to ignore systems with sentient life if we are lucky; or are nano or clarke-technological. |
21:27.35 | Ghel | One dyson sphere per billion stars would also give hundreds for every large galaxy - perhaps enough to strike against any possible threats and enforce the scenario - while also providing enough empty space to not directly interfere with plot otherwise. |
21:28.12 | Ghel | Searching for probes in our solar system is certainly other possibly productive route of inquiry, yes. |
21:28.48 | Ghel | Even on Pluto, with the short look at it we got there could even have been some hidden there for all we know. |
21:29.17 | Ghel | Alas, it turns out the "lights" on Ceres probably aren't an alien mining colony. |
21:29.23 | Wormy_ | Maybe the hider civilisations are quietly gathering new races (and have yet to contact us), and are planning for somekind of uprising |
21:30.24 | Wormy_ | Perhaps humanity will try to strike at these Baryonic Lords |
21:31.29 | Ghel | An uprising against a dyson sphere would be like attacking a Death Star... only thousands of times bigger and without being able to target the reactor core. Unless there are starbusting weapons you can get past the defences. |
21:32.10 | Xho | It will just impact on the surface |
21:32.26 | Ghel | The surface is one of the defences to get past. |
21:32.30 | Wormy_ | Who knows, and if something like a hyperdrive exists, perhaps the dyson sphere civilisation missed it or stagnated |
21:32.51 | Ghel | It might just be a dyson swarm rather than a solid shell, too. |
21:33.37 | Ghel | A space opera would certainly work better if hyperdrive exists. Although that doesn't mean the dyson sphere civilisation doesn't know about it: it would make them even more deadly with more rapid response times. |
21:34.01 | Roboticking | a swarm would be less costly than a dyson shell |
21:34.07 | Wormy_ | We'd be dead already |
21:34.22 | Wormy_ | There could be a Nicoll-Dyson beam heading our way though |
21:34.49 | Ghel | They still might not have any means of detecting us at FTL speeds. |
21:35.20 | Ghel | And even hyperdrives might not be easily detectable over interstellar distances. |
21:35.20 | Wormy_ | All they need is to have detected us within 100 or so lights |
21:35.55 | Wormy_ | Actually that is very unlikely |
21:35.59 | Ghel | And the dyson sphere is 1480 ly away. :P |
21:37.10 | Wormy_ | Not unless there is a closer, mini dyson |
21:37.36 | Wormy_ | or could assemble one in that time |
21:38.00 | Ghel | The even more conservative number I mentioned - one sphere per billion stars - would make it even easier for civilisations to get hyperdrives before being attacked. But building their own dyson sphere would take centuries, and they would be noticed soon enough for a fleet of billions of griefer warships to interfere. |
21:39.58 | Ghel | ...You might then need more than one per billion stars. But still, they can be scarce enough for the scenario to work (for some aliens to survive) while being common enough to be effective. |
21:41.55 | Ghel | Then there you go. A space opera with fantastic technologies while still being realistic *and* providing an explanation for the Fermi paradox. |
21:45.39 | Wormy_ | There's one more scenario: the planetarium hypothesis, that we are in some-kind of construct or simulation either built for us or as a short-term experiment. Falsifiable, because we would eventually find limits, like an end to irrational numbers, which there can only be one rational explanation |
21:46.33 | Wormy_ | Stephen Baxter wrote a story where a spaceship reaches the edge of the solar system, and the simulation starts shutting down |
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21:46.45 | Jepardi | Hi |
21:46.49 | Ghel | Hello. |
21:46.53 | Wormy_ | Because its more likely the aliens can't house us forever |
21:47.40 | Wormy_ | Then, in a similar story, the universe was actually a construct by Quagma-like aliens in the Quark epoch |
21:48.10 | Wormy_ | to simulate the future of the universe, with godlike astroengineering technology of their own |
21:48.14 | Ghel | Ah, yes. I suppose the planetarium hypothesis is somewhat like an "it only takes one" scenario, although it focuses on our position specifically rather than on there being aliens who affect every civilisation. |
21:49.28 | Wormy_ | You can take it even further |
21:49.59 | Wormy_ | Focusing on yourself, a brain created with false memories about to be destroyed in a picosecond |
21:50.44 | Wormy_ | I hope astrophysicists are successful in ruling out Boltzmann brains |
21:52.21 | Ghel | If you're going to be paranoid that you are one, I don't think that would make a difference. It just means they don't exist in the fake physics of your Boltmann-brain imagination; you might as well hope scientists rule out the possibility of brains-in-jars. |
21:52.30 | Ghel | Boltzmann* |
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21:58.53 | Ghel | Hello. |
21:58.58 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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22:00.16 | The_Randomness | Hello |
22:00.41 | Wormy_ | All one can hope for then, is that a Boltzmann brain could work out in lives in fake physics |
22:00.47 | Wormy_ | *it |
22:00.51 | Wormy_ | hi |
22:00.53 | Ghel | And, since tomorrow is my one 9am of the week this semester, bye! |
22:00.56 | Wormy_ | bye |
22:01.07 | Wormy_ | same actually |
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22:02.34 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
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22:04.46 | Monet | hi |
22:05.05 | Monet | Ghel: This gave me a thought although I guess its been done before somewhere. |
22:06.17 | Monet | I had this idea of what the Draconid Imperium might call "aeon engines"; artificial intelligences that I guess are a type of swarm intelligence that expand themselves over time. Becoming larger and more complex as they age. |
22:06.53 | Wormy_ | http://9gag.com/gag/a5KXmYg?ref=fbp |
22:07.05 | Wormy_ | He's gone |
22:08.10 | Monet | I mixed up who was leaving for a 9am schedule. My bad |
22:08.21 | Monet | Still. |
22:09.24 | Monet | I guess the older Aeon Engines in the Imperium could be phenomenal computation engines. |
22:10.11 | Monet | Not sure specifically what they could be used for but I can see the Royal Academy finding an interest in them |
22:12.38 | Monet | Actually this makes me wonder: It would mean that the AI Netspace would have "bretheren" of sorts within the Imperium. |
22:14.36 | Monet | What are the possible social ramifications of immense AI that the Grand Senate would prefer not being aligned to an organisation alien to Imperial space? |
22:16.06 | Cyrannian | Night folks! |
22:16.12 | AdmiralPanda | cya |
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22:20.03 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Fall_of_Talmyr#Knocking_on_Hell.27s_Gate +100,000 edit coming your way |
22:27.46 | drom | Hachiman: https://i.imgur.com/NfxkKgg.jpg |
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22:29.16 | AdmiralPanda | Hachi's dating life in a nutshell |
22:30.02 | Hachiman | Very good epilogue to the fiction that, Xho |
22:30.19 | Hachiman | Was a good fic to do |
22:31.26 | drom | Wormy_: https://twitter.com/GonzoHacker/status/654297693406105601 |
22:37.26 | Wormy_ | lol |
22:38.29 | Roboticking | I must go for now |
22:38.31 | Roboticking | Farwell |
22:40.37 | drom | oh my god it is 00:40 already |
22:41.25 | drom | like |
22:41.27 | drom | ugh |
22:43.47 | Wormy_ | lab grown meat http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34540193 |
22:45.23 | The_Randomness | That's pretty neat, I remember first hearing about stuff like that a while ago |
22:45.49 | The_Randomness | Sounds like they've come a long way with it |
22:47.57 | Wormy_ | "Why did a woman take her 12-year-old nephew to court in the US state of Connecticut this week?" |
22:48.19 | Wormy_ | " - Jennifer Connell unsuccessfully tried to sue for $127,000 after her nephew's over-exuberant hug caused her to fall and break her wrist. She said she wasn't mad at her nephew - the case was just aimed at getting the homeownerâs insurance to pay her medical bills." |
22:48.28 | Wormy_ | With context, its understandable |
22:49.22 | DrodoEmpire | Sad they had to go to that extraordinary length |
22:49.31 | Wormy_ | Its sad that she has to get her relative's insurance, 217,000 dollars for a broken wrist |
22:50.01 | Wormy_ | In the UK, you might have to put up waiting for A&E for half a day, but at least its free |
22:50.25 | Wormy_ | *127 |
23:04.06 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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