| 00:06.40 | Technobliterator | Which no galaxies rule? |
| 00:07.28 | Technobliterator | nudges Charles_Murray :o |
| 00:07.39 | TekDroid | *no new galaxies rule, I assume |
| 00:11.11 | Technobliterator | I would...argue that's actually one of the most sensible rules we have |
| 00:15.54 | TekDroid | I think there is agreement on no unregulated galaxy addition. I think it's more a matter of how absolute the rule should be. |
| 01:19.25 | Wormy_ | I'm not against adding new galaxies (or restoring existing ones) if there is a strong reason for one. And there might be, actually. |
| 01:19.48 | Wormy_ | But adding new galaxies willy nilly would be a step back |
| 01:19.59 | Charles_Murray | ^ |
| 01:20.46 | Wormy_ | Arguably Tigris is sitting there unused, which I think is a bit unfair, Rather than using it, we could add a new galaxy. |
| 02:41.04 | Wormy_ | bye |
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| 10:14.22 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 10:14.30 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:32.37 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Empire_of_Man#Magic Liquid_Ink: Are you okay with the description of Katarocei magic I wrote there? |
| 10:35.29 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, I think. |
| 10:35.43 | Liquid_Ink | I always pictured them as being like firebenders. |
| 10:35.56 | Liquid_Ink | "Always" here meaning "past thirty seconds" |
| 10:41.10 | Imperios | hur |
| 10:43.30 | Liquid_Ink | Fire of course, since it was used to combat a parasitic fungus best dealt with by burning it. |
| 10:43.59 | Liquid_Ink | Then again I'm sure ice would have prevented it from germinating, but I don't think that quite ties in what you've written in there. |
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| 11:05.02 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 11:52.37 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 11:56.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 12:12.55 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:13.05 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:15.09 | Imperios | Hi |
| 12:16.35 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:28.21 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://pre07.deviantart.net/dca8/th/pre/i/2012/341/a/0/arkham_daycare_for_the_criminally_insane_by_phostex-d5ndbkc.jpg |
| 12:29.33 | Hachiman | Cute |
| 12:33.22 | Liquid_Ink | So cute it killed him. |
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| 12:51.27 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 12:52.24 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 13:00.53 | AdmiralPanda | this is why I love league of legends pro gameplay- great plays, even better commentary XD |
| 13:00.59 | AdmiralPanda | "They're just wolves at the moment, no flash on that team." < caster talking about the team Flash Wolves after they all blew their flashes in one big fight |
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| 13:01.25 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:03.34 | Hachiman | Sport is always more entertaining with commentary |
| 13:03.36 | Hachiman | Hai Wormy |
| 13:32.05 | Wormy_ | Technobliterator: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34498875 |
| 13:33.35 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 13:35.56 | Technobliterator | "do you really think people will want a black guy from Chicago with a funny name to be the president of the United States" |
| 13:35.58 | Technobliterator | oh Obama |
| 13:39.32 | Hachiman | olol |
| 13:39.32 | Hachiman | Must be satirical |
| 13:39.46 | Wormy_ | Kanye jumps into a lake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32282386 |
| 13:40.09 | Wormy_ | And needed rescuing |
| 13:40.37 | Wormy_ | That mob nearly drowned him |
| 13:41.40 | Technobliterator | It would be funny for two black guys from Chicago with funny names to be president of the United States after such a short space of time |
| 13:42.35 | Hachiman | But Obama's from Hawaii |
| 13:43.08 | Technobliterator | no, he's from Kenya, his birth certificate was forged, clearly |
| 14:14.44 | Charles_Murray | test |
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| 14:19.12 | OluapPlayer | ~throw Cyrannian |
| 14:19.16 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
| 14:19.22 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 14:19.22 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 14:20.31 | Cyrannian | The featured articles for this month are: T'varuuh, Grand Galactic Fleet, Khyannarith and Testament |
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| 14:38.46 | Wormy_ | http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/10/9467031/nasa-the-martian-orbiter-surface-pictures-matt-damon |
| 14:43.36 | Wormy_ | I am saddened by the prospect I will probably not live long enough for a probe to reach Sedna. |
| 14:45.55 | Roboticking | Many people will not live loong enough to see the mars mission |
| 14:45.58 | Roboticking | long* |
| 14:47.41 | Wormy_ | Not seen my mother in two days, and the first thing she does is nag at me about a couple of pots in the sink. I washed up yesterday. |
| 14:52.42 | Wormy_ | Anyway |
| 14:52.46 | Wormy_ | "Sedna will come to perihelion around 2075â2076.[d] This close approach to the Sun provides an opportunity for study that will not occur again for 12,000 years. Although Sedna is listed on NASA's Solar System exploration website,[64] NASA is not known to be considering any type of mission at this time.[65] It was calculated that a flyby mission to Sedna could take 24.48 years using a Jupiter gravity assist, based on launch dates |
| 14:54.31 | Hachiman | Aw yis, Khyannarith |
| 14:54.32 | Wormy_ | I might be actually, 82 is possible |
| 14:55.58 | Wormy_ | I would love to see the 22nd century, that would be humanly possibly but very unlikely |
| 14:56.24 | Wormy_ | Unless anti-aging treatments or cybernetic uploading comes along |
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| 15:01.12 | Monet2 | Hello |
| 15:02.09 | Roboticking | i will be considerably old by the sedna mission |
| 15:03.16 | Wormy_ | 83 years, 2 months, and 21 days until 2100 |
| 15:03.28 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 15:40.38 | Cyrannian | brb dinner |
| 15:42.51 | Hachiman | So apparently the current recognized leader of ISIS, Abu Baker Al-Bigdaddy, was blown up in an airstrike assault against a military convoy in Iraq by the Iraqi air force |
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| 15:52.14 | Monet2 | Hasn't he been suspectedly killed before? |
| 15:53.57 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: The T'varuuh have a really nice model, I must say |
| 15:54.30 | Cyrannian | Danke, and Khyannarith's page is one of the most impressive I've seen |
| 15:55.25 | Hachiman | Thanks, I'm glad you like it |
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| 16:03.49 | dromid | Good to see you back, Monet2 |
| 16:05.47 | dromid | Ghelae Wormy_ Tekdroid: http://i.imgur.com/sRQZgRl.png Czechs seem to more complex than how they look like |
| 16:07.55 | TekDroid | Read it. |
| 16:08.22 | TekDroid | :P |
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| 16:41.52 | ImpyDroid | Heil |
| 16:42.06 | Monet2 | Hi |
| 16:43.24 | dromid | Suka blyad |
| 16:45.50 | ImpyDroid | Suka blyad |
| 16:50.56 | dromid | Huiy |
| 16:54.13 | dromid | Impydroid: or was it huibreve |
| 16:54.33 | ImpyDroid | It's huiblyadgovnopizda |
| 16:55.35 | dromid | Bliad |
| 16:56.40 | ImpyDroid | Bliad is Arabic not Russian hur |
| 16:56.44 | ImpyDroid | Or is it Bilad |
| 16:56.58 | ImpyDroid | That's Arabic for "country" |
| 16:57.01 | dromid | Admit that I'm right, Impydroid. Ya hoesos |
| 16:57.09 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.16 | ImpyDroid | Because all Swedes are |
| 16:58.10 | ImpyDroid | The fact that Blyadi is Arabic for "Homeland" makes all Arabic patriotic songs a bit stupid-sounding to me |
| 16:58.22 | dromid | Hur |
| 16:58.55 | ImpyDroid | And Nasrallah is "have made a shit" |
| 16:58.58 | dromid | "I love and I honour my bitch!" |
| 16:59.24 | ImpyDroid | And the Chinese call their Muslims "Hui" |
| 16:59.46 | ImpyDroid | I suppose these are the main reasons why Russians did not convert to Islam |
| 16:59.48 | dromid | Rude |
| 17:05.04 | dromid | Impydroid: Muslim http://i.imgur.com/JpRH2eJ.png |
| 17:05.41 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.13 | dromid | Muslim can also be translated to "mouse glue" in Swedish |
| 17:06.36 | dromid | Cause mus = mouse |
| 17:06.42 | dromid | Lim = glue |
| 17:07.34 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki |
| 17:07.46 | dromid | Wat |
| 17:07.57 | Wormy_ | Why is there a spaceship (albeit very nice one) on the Featured Article for the Civilisation Stage? |
| 17:08.45 | Cyrannian | The page is an umbrella page for vehicles in all stages, the page has a spaceship for it's main picture too |
| 17:09.14 | dromid | The colour scheme and design instantly scream on me that it's cyrannian's |
| 17:09.50 | Cyrannian | Though the page does need a clean up |
| 17:10.18 | Wormy_ | I'm just thinking that there might be a way to show the Civilisation stage's main image automatically in the featured articl;e |
| 17:11.34 | dromid | That ugly can building to a shipyard? |
| 17:11.58 | Wormy_ | true |
| 17:12.38 | dromid | That can you see at the intro and everytime you respawn |
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| 17:13.21 | dromid | Hi Floridan man |
| 17:14.59 | dromid | Wormy_ monet2: I give to some fawks https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/616/22057488271_e5a0841e89_o.jpg |
| 17:15.15 | Wormy_ | awww |
| 17:16.12 | Wormy_ | Father of quantum computation on the Dwave quantum computer https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/653227845796405249 |
| 17:17.04 | Wormy_ | His expertise being in the physics and mathematics of sauch a computer rather than the engineering of one |
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| 17:26.55 | dromid | Hui |
| 17:27.27 | dromid | Gotta love language barriers |
| 17:28.12 | dromid | "People fight because they cannot talk with a language" |
| 17:29.16 | dromid | Wormy_: how about a nice cup of diabetusium |
| 17:29.16 | dromid | http://i.imgur.com/c9gWdjY.jpg |
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| 17:58.36 | Hachiman | So apparently there are Americans that believe the events of the movie Titanic did not happen in reality |
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| 18:29.55 | drom | arr |
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| 18:34.29 | Wormy_ | drom: I just had lemon cheesecake |
| 18:34.47 | drom | Nice |
| 18:35.17 | Wormy_ | drom: Laugh at some British tat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUGcjkdIfTk |
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| 18:44.13 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 18:45.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 18:46.14 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 18:51.34 | drom | Wormy_: That man fondling |
| 18:58.33 | drom | Wormy_: <combines spoon with power glove> "Just massively increasing its value" |
| 19:00.25 | drom | Also I'm even impressed that his videos has the most accurate automatic google translations lol |
| 19:03.54 | Cyrannian|Away | Did anyone try the battlefront beta? |
| 19:04.18 | drom | Not me |
| 19:04.24 | drom | Some friends on Steam though |
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| 19:07.16 | Monet | Hi |
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| 19:08.18 | Imperios | FUCK YOU KOREAN VERB CONJUGATION |
| 19:08.32 | Imperios | FUCK YOU FRENCH SYNTAX |
| 19:08.45 | Imperios | FUCK YOU FRENCH PRONOUNCIATION |
| 19:08.50 | Imperios | FUCK YOU ENGLISH HOMEWORK |
| 19:08.57 | drom | REVOLUTION |
| 19:09.08 | The_Randomness | ã
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| 19:09.21 | drom | Translation: KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK |
| 19:09.43 | Imperios | ???????? |
| 19:11.35 | Wormy_ | drom: Ashens is probably my favourite channel alongside Vsauce |
| 19:12.06 | Wormy_ | drom, Monet: By the way, I have my first client now, in the world of 3D |
| 19:12.15 | drom | Nice! |
| 19:12.17 | The_Randomness | All I can say is that I had more than 20 hours of homework this past week |
| 19:12.27 | Wormy_ | Not getting any money for it, but it is for my degree |
| 19:13.20 | Wormy_ | Like I've said before, I'll be making visualisations of geology and block diagrams for students at the university I attended a couple of years back/ |
| 19:15.21 | Monet | Wormy_: What's your first client like? |
| 19:15.29 | drom | Imperios: I dislike the English language |
| 19:15.35 | drom | I demand a revolution |
| 19:15.59 | Wormy_ | Well, I already know her, she is my geology tutor. Very nice, very willing to help me out, especially as she is busy herself |
| 19:16.08 | Monet | Quick, everyone start learning Mandarin! |
| 19:16.13 | Wormy_ | *she was my |
| 19:16.33 | The_Randomness | I think I actually know one phrase in Mandarin |
| 19:16.41 | Monet | Wormy_: That's wonderfully convenient. |
| 19:16.44 | Wormy_ | In turn, if all goes well anyway, hopefully my work will nhelp her out |
| 19:16.54 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 19:17.07 | The_Randomness | Unfortunately that phrase is also somewhat explicit |
| 19:17.14 | Monet | My first client was a microbiology professor from the university of Kent. |
| 19:17.23 | Wormy_ | I have also made ciontacts with the British Geological Survey, so I might be able to get some interviews |
| 19:18.05 | Monet | The_Randomness: First few things people tend to remember from a new language are the swears. |
| 19:18.13 | Wormy_ | Nice, were you making 3D science visualisations too? I think i remember one of your animations actually |
| 19:18.43 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 19:18.43 | Monet | Wormy_: I was. |
| 19:18.52 | Wormy_ | This book has been immensely helpful for me http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0123736552 |
| 19:19.10 | drom | The_Rnadomness: The only mandarin I know, which Imperios taught me not so long ago, Hui is the name of muslims in China. |
| 19:19.37 | drom | Awkwardly inconvenient since "hui" also means "dick" in Russian |
| 19:20.22 | Monet | No wait I do know some Chinese. |
| 19:21.30 | Monet | I named a project "Thousand petal valley". At least I hope it does. |
| 19:24.15 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 19:28.26 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:29.32 | LuxorHere | Hello everyone. |
| 19:29.45 | LuxorHere | Cyran away again... Shame, got an idea for new fiction's start |
| 19:30.14 | Cyrannian|Away | I'm semi-here so go ahead |
| 19:33.57 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 19:41.35 | Wormy_ | So in the Doctor Who universe (Whoniverse), there is an aliken race that can't be bothered to manage themselves and irritate other species so they get conquered |
| 19:42.19 | Wormy_ | and advertise themselves to slavery |
| 19:42.35 | The_Randomness | Interesting |
| 19:47.13 | Wormy_ | They remind me of the Talaxians in both look and flamboyance. |
| 19:54.08 | Charles_Murray | I'm hosting a MP game of CKII if anyone wants to join |
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| 20:09.53 | Monet | Hello |
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| 20:10.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:10.13 | Xho | Hi |
| 20:16.00 | Xho | Man I'm tired |
| 20:18.45 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: Have you seen episode 4 of the latest Doctor Who? |
| 20:18.55 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 20:19.18 | Ghelae | My mum always texts me once it's finished to remind me to watch it on iPlayer. |
| 20:19.36 | Wormy_ | Did you think that alien looked a bit like the Flatwoods Monster? |
| 20:21.41 | Ghelae | Not at the time, but I see what you mean. |
| 20:22.07 | Ghelae | Particularly the height and the shell on its back. |
| 20:22.51 | Wormy_ | That's what I noticed |
| 20:31.03 | TekDroid | Wormy_: Never heard of it but i see what you mean |
| 20:32.28 | Wormy_ | I used to have to skip the page in my UFO/aliens book which had a picture of the Flatwoods monster |
| 20:32.52 | Xho | ~kick OluapPlayer |
| 20:32.53 | infobot | ACTION kicks OluapPlayer |
| 20:33.37 | Wormy_ | Probably made up, but enjoyable none-the-less http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case535.htm |
| 20:33.59 | Imperios | Hachiman drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qziGdAjbv7A&list=PLljXzju5Xjdkxijr22TkHVdJzg-m8UeZT&index=39 |
| 20:34.53 | OluapPlayer | What |
| 20:35.06 | Xho | Don't be rude |
| 20:35.07 | Xho | Hello |
| 20:35.22 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 20:36.42 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMrjm8Qk7zg&index=6&list=PLljXzju5Xjdkxijr22TkHVdJzg-m8UeZT |
| 20:37.14 | drom | Imperios: olol |
| 20:37.32 | Xho | Seriously why is everyone in a bad mood |
| 20:37.44 | drom | What? |
| 20:37.56 | drom | Do I look like I ate too many lemons? |
| 20:38.16 | Xho | No seriously everyone's in a bad mood |
| 20:38.20 | Xho | Did I miss something |
| 20:39.04 | drom | Slow day I guess? |
| 20:39.16 | Ghelae | I don't see why you think everyone's in a bad mood. |
| 20:39.19 | Imperios | Hachiman drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d24196ZPoZk I am still trying to understand what the Hell that is |
| 20:39.33 | Xho | Well Oluap decided to go "what" rather than something else |
| 20:39.44 | Xho | That and other users off the wiki appear to be in a bad mood |
| 20:39.50 | Xho | Negative vibes everywhere |
| 20:39.56 | Ghelae | I saw the Oluap part. |
| 20:40.07 | Xho | Perhaps I should've given it another day before coming back |
| 20:40.42 | Ghelae | At the risk of sounding like I'm in a bad mood (which I'm not), you did just say you were tired less than half an hour ago. |
| 20:41.13 | Ghelae | Perhaps that's affecting your view of people's moods. |
| 20:41.30 | Xho | Perhaps |
| 20:41.59 | Wormy_ | Imperios: I do hope they are not real ISIS accounts. Or I'll be watched even more |
| 20:42.11 | Imperios | Wormy_: You mean the last video? |
| 20:42.13 | Imperios | That's not ISIS |
| 20:42.15 | drom | Imperios: Something something arabic christians |
| 20:42.22 | Wormy_ | The parrot video XD |
| 20:42.40 | Imperios | Oh, parrots are from a Russian website |
| 20:43.07 | Imperios | The video with Christians comes from a legit Islamist group though |
| 20:43.10 | Imperios | But it's not ISIS |
| 20:43.14 | Wormy_ | fair enough |
| 20:43.34 | drom | I thought it was christian? |
| 20:43.37 | Imperios | It's one of the pro-Assad groups |
| 20:43.47 | Imperios | drom: It's Shi'a but friendly with Christians |
| 20:43.55 | Imperios | Basically they band together against ISIS |
| 20:44.06 | Imperios | Yes Islamists banding together with Christians |
| 20:44.08 | Imperios | Go figure |
| 20:44.23 | drom | Okay, now this is legitmentily too confusing for me |
| 20:45.00 | Imperios | Basically |
| 20:45.10 | Imperios | There are three main types of Islamists in Syria |
| 20:45.26 | Imperios | First there are Islamists among the rebels |
| 20:45.32 | Imperios | Like al-Nusra and the like |
| 20:45.38 | Imperios | They are supported by you |
| 20:45.38 | drom | Muslims are okay with Christians and Jews (the ones they hate? that's the zionists, the israels in general) |
| 20:45.50 | drom | isreali* |
| 20:45.51 | Imperios | And are Sunni, so basically ISIS-lite |
| 20:46.00 | Imperios | Then there are Shi'a guys |
| 20:46.00 | drom | israeli even |
| 20:46.11 | Imperios | They are bros with Assad because Assad is Shi'a |
| 20:46.18 | Imperios | They are also by proxy bro with us |
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| 20:46.25 | drom | I see |
| 20:46.34 | Imperios | Since they are opposed by all other groups they are also bro with Christians |
| 20:46.42 | Imperios | Then there is ISIS |
| 20:46.56 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.03 | Imperios | Oh and the Shi'a are also bro with Iran because Iran is Shi'a obviously |
| 20:47.16 | Wormy__ | Btw I saw the bird poo on Putin, lol |
| 20:47.25 | Imperios | Wormy__: Basically that Christian video is about Christians ganging together with Shi'a Islamist groups against ISIS |
| 20:47.33 | Imperios | And Shi'a praise them as brothers |
| 20:47.56 | Wormy__ | I see, I guess that is unity |
| 20:48.05 | Imperios | The fact that all factions in the Syrian War have their share of ALLAHU AKBAR somewhat depresses me |
| 20:48.19 | Imperios | No matter who wins we'll have people blowing up |
| 20:48.35 | Imperios | Basically |
| 20:48.56 | Wormy__ | It depresses me that the Syrian conflict now has big countries funding all these confusing sides, which will make the war indefinate |
| 20:49.01 | Imperios | Shi'a = Bro with Assad, Christians and Putin, ruled by Iran |
| 20:49.13 | Imperios | Sunni except ISIS = Bro with America and EU |
| 20:49.16 | Imperios | And Saudis |
| 20:50.02 | Imperios | ISIS = https://youtu.be/PyZXmvF3I7s?t=77 |
| 20:50.13 | Wormy__ | Western media is saying Russia's strikes are only 10% on IS, and that Assad helped IS take advantage by bombing the gassing the moderate rebels. What does Russian media say to this? |
| 20:51.12 | Imperios | We admit that we bomb the rebels as well, but explain ourselves by saying that they have their share of Islamists as well |
| 20:51.14 | Imperios | Which is kinda true |
| 20:52.14 | Wormy__ | I think the world isn't like the black and white good vs. evil that our politicians try to paint |
| 20:52.30 | Imperios | Also Russian media says that Assad as a secular ruler is the only hope of stability Syria has |
| 20:52.37 | Imperios | And that should the rebels win there will likely be chaos |
| 20:52.45 | Wormy__ | Good doc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film) |
| 20:52.46 | Imperios | And Islamists getting into power |
| 20:52.52 | Imperios | Citing examples like Egypt |
| 20:53.45 | Wormy__ | Western media argues that Syria could never see Assad as their leader anymore, so such a hope is impossible |
| 20:54.02 | Imperios | That is also true |
| 20:54.24 | Imperios | The Arab Spring was widely criticised in Russia |
| 20:54.32 | Wormy__ | Not that I really believe fully what is told to me by any kind of media |
| 20:54.50 | Imperios | I believe the new Middle Ages are upon us |
| 20:55.03 | Monet | Imperios: Well it was a wildfire spread of protests and democracy by social media. |
| 20:55.19 | Wormy__ | I remember David Cameron praising the use of smartphones in the Arab Spring, and then in the England riots, he argued that networks should be shut off during such events. |
| 20:55.34 | Imperios | Monet: Exactly, and Putin would prefer not to have that happen in Russia hur |
| 20:55.59 | Imperios | That and Russian media highlighted the chaos and rise of extremism that happened after the revolution |
| 20:56.50 | Imperios | Anyway TBH the situation in the Middle East and Europe is a bit grim |
| 20:56.59 | Wormy__ | Some people Iknow think Islam is going through something like the Christian reformation |
| 20:57.14 | Imperios | Perhaps |
| 20:57.28 | Imperios | But to me if anything it relives its earliest days |
| 20:57.40 | Imperios | A period of massive military and cultural expansion |
| 20:57.52 | Imperios | And that sucks - definitely for you and probably for us as well |
| 20:58.43 | Imperios | We historically have had a more friendly relationship with Islam than Western Europe but with extremism overtaking our Muslim regions that could change |
| 20:59.07 | Imperios | I heard that ISIS is trying to recruit members from our Central Asian guest workers |
| 20:59.17 | Wormy__ | The problem I also fear is the rise of far-conservatism and nationalism. From examples like more than half of Download festival being right wing (and with secret survellience equipment) to the number of far right parties gaining power in Europe |
| 20:59.20 | Imperios | PRECISELY because they are the lowest rung of society |
| 20:59.32 | Imperios | Wormy__: So you prepare for an Islamist-Neo-Nazi battle? |
| 20:59.44 | Wormy__ | Maybe |
| 20:59.51 | Imperios | ...Now that I said that it sounds cool |
| 21:00.18 | Imperios | Problem is as a non-white atheist I'd get rekd by both sides hur |
| 21:00.41 | Wormy__ | I can see extremes all over the political spectrum, if you are left wing, then expect to be bullied into thinking you are not by the far left authoritarians. |
| 21:00.57 | Imperios | The far left is not as bad |
| 21:01.14 | Imperios | They are more insidious, but definitely less dangerous physically |
| 21:01.25 | Imperios | Though as detrimental to society as the far right |
| 21:01.44 | Wormy__ | I don't like left authority as much as I despise right authority. |
| 21:02.38 | Imperios | Wormy__: I find it ironic that of all countries, it was HUNGARY that spoke out the loudest against migrants |
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| 21:02.49 | Wormy__ | Hi |
| 21:03.16 | Wormy__ | How was it surprising? |
| 21:03.53 | Imperios | Because Hungarians pride themselves on their descent from the Huns |
| 21:04.04 | Wormy__ | Oh I see |
| 21:04.24 | Wormy__ | I guessed it had something to do with that but I wasn't sure |
| 21:04.57 | Imperios | "Oh, hey, our ancestors were cool, settling in Europe from Asia and killing lots of people. Wait, THESE PEOPLE WANT TO SETTLE IN EUROPE? NOT ON MY WATCH!" |
| 21:05.02 | Wormy__ | Anyway, I read this newscientist opinion article not that long ago that sugested countries will break up into a myriad of tiny states again |
| 21:07.31 | Ghelae | Not that I have any expertise on the topic, but it doesn't seem too unreasonable to me that the most comfortable form of organisation for humans would be in groups where the population is at most a few million or so. |
| 21:08.22 | Wormy__ | Maybe anarchism will rise? |
| 21:08.42 | Wormy__ | Not chaotic Mad Max anarchis, I mean anarchocommunes and anarcho-capitalists |
| 21:09.05 | Ghelae | That would be an even more significant change. |
| 21:09.51 | Wormy__ | I worry that openness and science won't flourish in such societies, but I could be completely wrong |
| 21:10.16 | Xho | WIIIITNNESSS |
| 21:10.28 | Xho | I watched that again this afternoon |
| 21:10.36 | Ghelae | It would depend on the society. |
| 21:10.50 | Wormy__ | You need a lot of powerful backers forprojects like the Large Hadron Collider, if people can no longer think beyond their tiny state, how could such things be built? |
| 21:11.17 | Wormy__ | But then, maybe federations will form... |
| 21:11.46 | Ghelae | You would need a huge amount of international cooperation, even compared to what's currently required for projects like the LHC. |
| 21:12.41 | Ghelae | I'm not going to say it's impossible but I am going to suggest we don't get rid of the state - you know, that thing that's pretty much defined all of recorded human history - until we know we can afford to. |
| 21:13.22 | Ghelae | Afterwards, sure, post-scarcity anarchocommunes all the way. |
| 21:13.32 | Wormy__ | Sounds reasonable |
| 21:14.49 | Wormy__ | I'm having some interest in looking up the differences between left and right libertarians and anarchists. Both declare the other as not anarchist, it is quite amusing, I imagine a fictional world where the two compete. |
| 21:20.36 | Xho | "A Wyoming Man Has Been Pulled Over By The Cops With 30 Cow Eyes In His Anus" |
| 21:20.37 | Xho | America |
| 21:21.07 | Xho | Must be a hoax |
| 21:21.18 | Ghelae | Cow eyes are quite large. |
| 21:21.40 | Wormy__ | Well, that proves if you have so many in your bum, don't drive crazily and get frisked |
| 21:22.24 | Ghelae | Presumably easier said than done. A whole thirty cow eyes there must be quite distracting. |
| 21:23.39 | Wormy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.02 | Wormy__ | I copied this from http://www.hoax-slayer.com/man-found-30-cow-eyeballs-anus-fake-news.shtml however |
| 21:24.22 | Ghelae | The name of that webpage suggests the story may be a hoax. |
| 21:25.04 | Wormy__ | yes |
| 21:25.21 | Ghelae | On the previous subject: for science, there's a reason why both public and private funding works, which is another thing to consider if you're going to replace our current system with a more anarchist one. |
| 21:25.42 | Wormy__ | There is no official news story, and imaes used on clickbait websites are taken from other sources |
| 21:27.08 | Ghelae | Public funding depends on the will of the populace (in that politicians who decide general science funding generally want to be reelected), but doesn't need to worry about short-term profits. Meanwhile, private funding depends on the will of shareholders but doesn't care too much about whether the general public think what they're doing is a waste of money. |
| 21:28.16 | Ghelae | So in each case, science is accountable to people, but the expectations are different in each case so that science isn't stopped by the whims of either group. |
| 21:28.17 | Wormy__ | I have spoken to an actual anarchist, who believes science would work even better in their vision of society. Because of the way the state can effect science. Though I pointed out that scientists can get funding if they pitch it well, like the ones developing laser weapons decades away from reality |
| 21:29.09 | Ghelae | Public funding allows for unprofitable research to exist, while private funding allows for expensive research to exist. |
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| 21:30.08 | Wormy__ | Interesting |
| 21:30.12 | Roboticking | what is? |
| 21:30.32 | Ghelae | So unless that anarchist is suggesting that expensive research that the public will think of as a waste of money is going to get funded in their anarchist world, I don't think their argument is convincing. |
| 21:30.35 | Wormy__ | 22:29] <@Ghelae> Public funding allows for unprofitable research to exist, while private funding allows for expensive research to exist. |
| 21:31.09 | Ghelae | Or, wait, other way around. Unprofitable research that no company would want to fund. |
| 21:32.07 | Wormy__ | I did not find it convincing either. |
| 21:32.10 | Roboticking | Ah |
| 21:32.24 | Ghelae | Are they an anarcho-capitalist or an anarcho-communist? Because in the latter case there's neither an incentive for expensive or unprofitable research that I can see unless it's a commune full of very pro-science individuals. |
| 21:33.17 | Wormy__ | I'm not sure, I think they are anarcho-communists at a guess. The political compass put them way off the scale |
| 21:33.56 | Wormy__ | They believe that a society of sharing and so on is ideal |
| 21:34.30 | Ghelae | It's a nice idea, yes. |
| 21:35.08 | Wormy__ | I think our society could use a little bit of it here and there, like helping the old woman down the street and so on |
| 21:36.08 | Wormy__ | But I fear that without a large democratic system, ideas from pro-science individuals are just going to be marginalised. |
| 21:37.14 | Wormy__ | One documentary I watched, talked about the hippy communes. Although everybody was supposed to be equals, power formed anyway from those who had a bigger voice, and nobody could criticise them. |
| 21:37.33 | drom | Anyone who play EVE:O |
| 21:37.58 | Ghelae | Ah, yes; you showed me that. Humans being a naturally hierarchical species is another challenge. |
| 21:38.22 | drom | Which way do you prefer mostly when getting new ships, buying finished assembles or blueprints? |
| 21:39.10 | Wormy__ | Maybe anarcho-capitalism would work better, with the incentive at least for expensive research? |
| 21:39.50 | Ghelae | If we didn't need to worry about limitations of transport and resources (or in other words, if we had starships and replicators) then we could probably get rid of both capitalism and politics. |
| 21:39.52 | Wormy__ | Anarcho-capitalist video said that anarcho-communism could even work inside, but not the other way around |
| 21:40.15 | Wormy__ | But it was biased |
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| 21:40.46 | Wormy__ | That is the dream of much science fiction |
| 21:41.00 | Roboticking | Wormy, How long lived do you think most species in the fiction universe can live |
| 21:41.01 | drom | Cyrannian|Away Charles_Murray: Out of curiousity, do you still play EVE:O? |
| 21:41.14 | Wormy__ | Species-wide or as individuals? |
| 21:41.32 | drom | There are species that are biologically immortal, Roboticking |
| 21:42.05 | drom | But what hinders them to live forever is what gets them |
| 21:42.06 | Ghel | So I suppose without knowing how anarcho-communism is going to provide the resources for large-scale science, I would have to go for anarcho-capialism in that sense. Not that I think that's ideal either. |
| 21:42.14 | Wormy__ | It depends on their level of technology and essence, but presumably most in the SporeWikiverse have such access. But there are poorer members of the universe |
| 21:43.02 | Wormy__ | As species, well, the SporeWikiverse is a very dangerous and uncerttain place, with main species being extincted |
| 21:43.58 | Wormy__ | The argument against anarcho-capitalism is that it breeds extreme selfishness |
| 21:44.02 | Ghel | Given how similar a lot of SporeWikiverse species seem to be to humans in key features (e.g. biochemistry, activity), then 100+ years seems like a reasonable lifespan with futuristic healthcare but without genetic engineering for enhanced/unlimited lifespans. |
| 21:44.41 | Ghel | Wormy__: Hence basic research, which provides few to no short-term gains, is unlikely to find a good home. |
| 21:45.53 | Roboticking | Wormy, could a tier 2-1 low tier 1 civilization acquire biological immortality |
| 21:46.10 | Wormy__ | I would think so. Ayn Rand (a right-lib) said that nobody in her society would stop you if you wanted to help people. But critics have said that you would likely end up stuck in the hierarchy. |
| 21:46.30 | Ghel | Roboticking: For all we know humanity could achieve biological immortality by the end of this century, so yes. |
| 21:46.40 | Roboticking | Ok then |
| 21:46.47 | Wormy__ | Yeah I think I much prefer democratic systems |
| 21:46.55 | Roboticking | That helps, thank you ghel, wormy and drom |
| 21:47.22 | Technobliterator | Well, if humanity does reach that, it'll be completely unsustainable : | |
| 21:47.29 | Technobliterator | I think they may legalize suicide at that point |
| 21:47.53 | Ghel | If we achieve biological immortality there's little reason to not legalise suicide, at least for the over-120s. |
| 21:47.55 | drom | Roboticking: Keep in mind that species can still be *naturally* immortal |
| 21:47.55 | Roboticking | Well overpopulation would occur at an increased raate |
| 21:48.01 | Roboticking | I know drom |
| 21:48.28 | Ghel | At that point you can't even have a religious argument that you're wasting God's gift of life, because after that age you're being kept alive by medical science alone. |
| 21:48.29 | Technobliterator | The Loron are biologically immortal, but none have ever lived that long |
| 21:48.49 | Wormy__ | I don't believe that. A problem solving society would find new ways to live, like colonising the ocean floor or space. The truth is our civilisation is unsustainable, we can't know what future problems we have in advance. The best we can do is fix them when they arise |
| 21:50.30 | Ghel | As for overpopulation, along with colonising new frontiers, there are other limiting effects too. For example, presumably the ability to remain fertile indefinitely would also exist, in which case nobody's going to have to worry about it being too late for them to have children. |
| 21:51.00 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, how much longer are you on for? |
| 21:51.09 | drom | Immortal species are usually expansive, it depends on their reproduction process though |
| 21:51.15 | OluapPlayer | What do you mean? |
| 21:51.28 | Technobliterator | as in, do you have to log out soon? |
| 21:51.42 | drom | If it is fast, which mean that they have expand or find a way to cram in a place in a yet satisfiying way |
| 21:51.54 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
| 21:52.14 | OluapPlayer | 4 to 5 hours |
| 21:52.39 | Wormy__ | Keep in mind though, in well developed nations, childbirth tends to decrease |
| 21:52.44 | Technobliterator | oh, nice |
| 21:52.53 | Technobliterator | I'm going to finish the second part of the Ottzello War |
| 21:53.00 | Technobliterator | and you may like the next few sections |
| 21:53.05 | OluapPlayer | I see |
| 21:53.30 | Wormy__ | Such a society may not value rearing children as priority. But of course unless it has ways to turn off fertility or ban reproduction effectively, there will still be a high number. |
| 21:55.46 | Wormy__ | "A 2010 census showed that 31.4 million Americans live aloneâ27% of all households (equal to the percentage of childless couples). Living alone allows people to pursue individual freedom, exert personal control and go through self-realization, but these people have fewer children." |
| 21:55.52 | Wormy__ | http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2012/10/16/warning-bell-for-developed-countries-declining-birth-rates/ |
| 21:56.56 | Wormy__ | Hopefully in a world of automation and anti-ageing treatments, people will be more likely to pursue such goals. |
| 21:57.58 | Roboticking | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.43 | Wormy__ | In that Star Trek episode, people frozen in sleeper ships from the 21st century are woken aboard the Enterprise D. With their lives being based on the capitalist system, they couldn't understand a world without competition or challenge. Picard explained that the challenge of people in his time was self-realisation |
| 22:00.15 | Wormy__ | Although Picard clearly likes his material things |
| 22:00.52 | Wormy__ | Captain Picard is a hypocrite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMvxsbosdZE |
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| 22:03.23 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 22:08.21 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 22:08.38 | Monet | Hi Ty |
| 22:09.02 | Tybusen | Long time no see Monet |
| 22:10.39 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:11.22 | Hachiman | Hai Tyb |
| 22:12.08 | Tybusen | Hai buni |
| 22:14.31 | Monet | Very long time |
| 22:28.10 | Monet | I'm not so optimistic on the humans of the 25th century |
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| 22:28.49 | Hachiman | Oh? Why's that? |
| 22:28.57 | Hachiman | Hai Robot |
| 22:29.13 | Monet | We bred out our violence and agression but look what happens every single time the prime universe federation ends up at war |
| 22:29.46 | Roboticking | hello Hachiman |
| 22:30.21 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:First_Ottzello_Galactic_War#Later_Conquest :o |
| 22:30.40 | OluapPlayer | its poop 10/10 |
| 22:30.40 | Wormy__ | The Federation might be a bit hypocritical |
| 22:30.44 | Technobliterator | Also, I have now reached that point at which extragalactics write the next sections, so I'm effectively finished |
| 22:30.45 | Monet | We may be more enlightened but if Rodenberry is right we also become bad at defending what we have built. |
| 22:30.47 | Technobliterator | ya mom is |
| 22:31.16 | Hachiman | I doubt humanity will ever become bad at war |
| 22:31.20 | DrodoEmpire | Monet Wormy: I'm of the opinion that the Federation's a joke. |
| 22:31.31 | DrodoEmpire | Well, post-TOS |
| 22:31.34 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:31.40 | Roboticking | we were built and bred to survive Hachi |
| 22:31.50 | Hachiman | Violence is far too written into our genes for us to become entirely passive |
| 22:31.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Highly unlikely we'd actually not be warlike yeah |
| 22:32.07 | Roboticking | Warfare is a key instrument of that, so its very hard to remove from our biology |
| 22:32.20 | Tybusen | Sometimes you wonder if we're good at war because we're a violent and competitive species by default, or if it's something else |
| 22:32.31 | Hachiman | Our best result is presumably that we retain the skills of warfare, but hope to not have to use them |
| 22:32.55 | Monet | There's also the slight issue that thanks to Khan, genetic ailments will be with us forever. |
| 22:33.08 | Roboticking | A passive aggressive movement is most favorable in natural selection |
| 22:33.25 | Tybusen | Federation learned the "let's not go to war" part but forgot the "eat lead you warmongering sons of bitches" part |
| 22:33.30 | Roboticking | You will be peaceful and do what you do when not under threat, but in case of one, you can destroy those who oppose you |
| 22:33.54 | Tybusen | Essentially the Big Stick policy |
| 22:33.55 | DrodoEmpire | We're naturally competitive Tybusen, and seeing as war is primarily made over competition for resources, power, or competition between ideas and religion. I dunno what else it'd be at the very base level |
| 22:34.25 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as war ultimately stems from that competitiveness as I see it |
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| 22:35.08 | Tybusen | At the same time I'm sure that you can be good at conducting a war without having a violently competitive mindset |
| 22:35.25 | DrodoEmpire | Possibly...? |
| 22:35.31 | CubicEarth | hello guise |
| 22:35.33 | Tybusen | And that being purely violent and competitive doesn't make you good at war |
| 22:35.34 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
| 22:35.46 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: "OVERALL BEIN DUMBOS DAT I DUNT LIEK" |
| 22:35.48 | DrodoEmpire | But I think its very hard to maintain a military tradition without actually fighting |
| 22:35.51 | OluapPlayer | I like how genuine this is for Loron |
| 22:36.13 | Tybusen | That's true, but things like wargames exist |
| 22:36.37 | DrodoEmpire | That's all theory and training, however. It can only go so far |
| 22:36.43 | Tybusen | And especially in the Trekverse where you can simulate those things without any risk of anyone dying |
| 22:36.44 | Hachiman | So long as there is a cause, humans will fight for it |
| 22:36.45 | Technobliterator | haha yeah |
| 22:37.05 | Monet | Hachiman: That's what has driven history |
| 22:37.23 | Tybusen | I guess there's also the approach that having the good guys be so powerful that no one wants to attack them would get boring very quickly |
| 22:37.44 | Hachiman | It is hard to root for the Federation as the underdog though |
| 22:38.03 | Tybusen | Yeah that's the rub right there |
| 22:38.16 | DrodoEmpire | Like as an example against your argument Tyb let's used 16th/17th century Korea |
| 22:38.22 | Tybusen | The Federation can and *should* be the Boring Invincible Hero |
| 22:38.41 | Tybusen | But somehow they're not and get stomped by every new enemy |
| 22:38.42 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: I really like the updates, especially the Fre'kloar + Thr'aloy appearance |
| 22:38.56 | Technobliterator | yey |
| 22:38.57 | OluapPlayer | This has me wondering if we could do a section with Gratz in it |
| 22:38.57 | Technobliterator | thanks :o |
| 22:39.07 | Technobliterator | Hm, possibly |
| 22:39.21 | DrodoEmpire | It had a professional army and officer corps, and advanced military technology but it almost never fought a single actual war (the only real one being the Imjin War against Japan, which is came within inches of losing completely). |
| 22:39.49 | Hachiman | Admiral Yi is <3 |
| 22:39.52 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:39.53 | Technobliterator | I also tried to make Zr'Ahgloth look really intimidating and threatening in this, which is a side to him that often isn't seen |
| 22:39.59 | DrodoEmpire | As such its military took a nosedive in quality, possessing no military tradition or actual combat experience |
| 22:40.13 | Technobliterator | because, well, he's winning the war, so it makes sense that he's suddenly the toughest guy |
| 22:40.27 | Tybusen | Didn't they win the Imjin War only because they managed to rout the Japanese navy at that one battle with the Turtle Ships |
| 22:40.33 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:40.40 | OluapPlayer | The last section mentions the rebel Loron empires. We could have him like, go after Gratz's groop but then he scares him away |
| 22:41.09 | DrodoEmpire | Only because the exact right man was at the exact right place at the exact right time |
| 22:41.18 | DrodoEmpire | The odds could not have been slimmer |
| 22:41.21 | Hachiman | I would argue that even then, the Imjin War was not really *won* considering how much destruction was caused for both countries |
| 22:41.24 | Technobliterator | oooh yeah |
| 22:41.26 | Technobliterator | that's a good one |
| 22:41.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Indeed |
| 22:41.36 | DrodoEmpire | Which reinforces my point, I guess. :p |
| 22:42.02 | Hachiman | And to further support your point, Japan started the Imjin War *almost needlessly* |
| 22:42.18 | Tybusen | I should say that I agree that a country can't fight wars good if they never fight wars, it's more the optimist in me wondering if we could ever get to the point of being able to defend ourselves without needing to beat anyone up |
| 22:42.41 | Hachiman | They had tons of spare soldiers from the prior civil conflicts that, after the unification of Japan, they had nowhere to put them and nothing to do with them |
| 22:42.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:43.03 | DrodoEmpire | Exactly. They had *tons* of real-world experience |
| 22:43.14 | DrodoEmpire | Tyb: Unfortunately I don't think |
| 22:43.35 | Hachiman | But that is the thing Tyb, we live in an age like that now |
| 22:43.38 | Hachiman | Nuclear deterrence |
| 22:43.49 | DrodoEmpire | But remember our era's quite an exception |
| 22:44.09 | OluapPlayer | PEACE WALKER |
| 22:44.12 | DrodoEmpire | Besides this very short period of nuclear deterrance (which may not last long) we may again see the age of large wars, unfortunately |
| 22:44.43 | Hachiman | Africa is already condemned to perhaps another century or so of internal conflicts |
| 22:44.50 | DrodoEmpire | Rigorous training and drilling can only go so far, really. EVentually, short-sighted politicians will conclude that a major war hasn't been fought in fifty, a hundred years and then begins the decline in size, quality, or perhaps both |
| 22:45.16 | Monet | This may be the age of nuclear deterrance but we still have soldiers stationed and fighting in foreign lands. |
| 22:45.35 | Tybusen | Also, nuclear deterrence doesn't work on asymmetrical enemies which are the big "bad guys" of this era |
| 22:45.41 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 22:45.46 | DrodoEmpire | And even if policies like that don't happen, the soldiers will be better suited to the parade square than the battlefield |
| 22:45.52 | DrodoEmpire | *will still be |
| 22:45.53 | Hachiman | Especially asymmetrical enemies stationed in countries *with* nuclear weapons |
| 22:46.05 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
| 22:46.16 | Roboticking | What about Mutually Assured Destruction? |
| 22:46.28 | Hachiman | That is the point of nuclear deterrence |
| 22:46.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:46.44 | DrodoEmpire | That's what was being discussed |
| 22:46.53 | Roboticking | And hachi, the Imjin War could be considered Pyrrhic |
| 22:46.53 | Hachiman | I should note that almost all major conflicts fought in the current era are civil ones rather than national ones |
| 22:46.56 | Tybusen | The thing with modern warfare is also that most of the devastation is now disproportionally dropped on whichever country has guerrillas or terrorists hiding out inside |
| 22:47.20 | DrodoEmpire | Yes Tyb, its asymmetrical warfare |
| 22:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | That's the modern age |
| 22:47.31 | Hachiman | Roboticking: Yes, I did make mention that the Imjin War was essentially a pyrrhic conflict |
| 22:47.37 | Tybusen | Which probably also has to do with Hachi's point that most wars these days are fought on the national scale rather than an international scale |
| 22:48.45 | Hachiman | Ultimately, despite Korea retaining its territories - which were already ravaged by terrestrial Japanese forces via raids and pillages - and warding the Japanese navy from Korean waters, Japan ultimately got what it desired despite not conquering China as originally intended |
| 22:49.01 | Hachiman | Which was to get rid of a ton of additional militia they had no idea what to do with |
| 22:49.44 | Roboticking | Oh i know, but I just wanted to give the correct term for such conflicts |
| 22:49.49 | Roboticking | hachiman* |
| 22:50.03 | Hachiman | I know what a pyrrhic victory is :p |
| 22:50.27 | Monet | Hachiman: THe point I was making is that soldiers are still getting the experience to keep them capable |
| 22:50.50 | Hachiman | Monet: In wars that they should not be fighting |
| 22:50.57 | Monet | Wheras for the Federation, peacetime is just that. Peaceful. |
| 22:52.10 | Tybusen | On one hand, the soldiers that are fighting overseas are keeping the national military experienced and ready if a major international conflict breaks out; on the other hand, though, those overseas wars are also just a drain on resources that you might need for said upcoming war |
| 22:52.38 | Tybusen | Iraq and Afghanistan are likely the biggest reasons why the US has a trillion-dollar debt right now |
| 22:52.56 | Hachiman | I do wonder which nations shall be the big players in the next large-scale war |
| 22:53.09 | Hachiman | As in, the ones to provoke it |
| 22:53.54 | Tybusen | It's hard to tell since the way politics is set up right now, someone who provokes a war will almost immediately have the world against them |
| 22:54.21 | Tybusen | Russia has come the closest so far and the rest of the world slammed them |
| 22:54.29 | Hachiman | As depressing as it sounds, I suppose we can only hope that the next large-scale war is not our last |
| 22:54.49 | Tybusen | Let's hope it's not the proverbial |
| 22:54.55 | Tybusen | Let's hope it's not the proverbial WWIII in that Einstein quote |
| 22:55.40 | Tybusen | "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought with, but I do know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones" |
| 22:55.49 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 22:56.11 | CubicEarth | anyone played star control 2? |
| 22:56.20 | Tybusen | but not words because those can never hurt us |
| 22:58.13 | Hachiman | I pray for the day of another space race |
| 22:59.36 | Tybusen | Maybe we can get China and the US into one |
| 22:59.57 | Hachiman | aYE |
| 22:59.59 | Hachiman | Aye even |
| 23:00.21 | Tybusen | you sounded like a tumblr user there for a sec |
| 23:00.26 | Hachiman | Because we do not need anymore innocent cosmonauts giving their lives to the Russian cause] |
| 23:00.52 | Tybusen | Three-way space race between China, Russia, and US would be dope af |
| 23:05.51 | Wormy__ | I have more faith in commericial space industry for colonisation and mining (which will be robotic first), and maybe tourism. Leave exploration for the space agencies. |
| 23:06.15 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 23:06.33 | Hachiman | The day of nations will eventually come to an end, with megacorporations taking their place |
| 23:07.06 | Technobliterator | I actually built the Grand Ottzel Order fiction around that idea |
| 23:07.11 | Wormy__ | They are already sending up satellites and concepting missions for prsopecting asteroids or scopping up rubble on the Moon's surface. And this will be a competitive enterprise |
| 23:07.18 | Technobliterator | of course, the Grand Ottzel Order are also corrupt slavers who destroy their galaxy |
| 23:07.27 | Technobliterator | and then karma hits them and Kolossus makes them extinct |
| 23:07.39 | OluapPlayer | Kolossus - hon |
| 23:07.46 | Tybusen | Technobliterator: So basically what you're saying is that we're just waiting for Kolossus now |
| 23:07.54 | Technobliterator | Yup :o |
| 23:08.05 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: At least we will have more hilarious Robocop style adverts |
| 23:08.28 | OluapPlayer | On the Vague page I mentioned Kolossus did not just kill the Ottzel, but transported them away so that they could be turned into the Vague |
| 23:08.37 | OluapPlayer | Which makes more sense in my point of view |
| 23:08.46 | Wormy__ | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LKQ3eX9pEg |
| 23:08.49 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 23:08.50 | Technobliterator | The reason everyone in Ottzello speaks the same language is because the Ottzel enslaved almost every race in Ottzello |
| 23:09.07 | Technobliterator | and they had t o fight for their rights to make the Federal Government of Ottzello |
| 23:09.09 | OluapPlayer | It was more of a kidnapping than a genocide |
| 23:09.27 | Technobliterator | which was a corrupt democracy and got destroyed by Tralkik |
| 23:09.47 | Technobliterator | wow, I really like giving evil doom karma endings to real world stuff I don't like :V |
| 23:11.03 | Wormy__ | Hm Robocop commercials are rather than reality |
| 23:11.12 | Wormy__ | *rather like |
| 23:24.14 | Roboticking | test |
| 23:25.06 | Hachiman | Still connected |
| 23:25.47 | Roboticking | excellent |
| 23:27.52 | Technobliterator | not sure I'll rewrite too many other pages, except the Heeyorian and Inalton ones later |
| 23:28.12 | Technobliterator | but anyway, other than the Gratz'kaoz section and extragalactics, First Ottzello War is done |
| 23:28.13 | Technobliterator | wooo |
| 23:28.54 | Wormy__ | Funny how TV tropes doesn't list any real life ones - jk http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MegaCorp |
| 23:40.22 | Monet | The EIC was one of the ebst real-life examples. |
| 23:43.57 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:44.52 | Wormy__ | 24 hours in a fuel tank http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32152670 |
| 23:45.09 | Wormy__ | Those conditions are too anxiety provoking for me |
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