| 00:00.46 | Hachiman | A Big Rip scenario would be certain to deny that though |
| 00:02.21 | Wormy_ | I can understand shrugging off the possibility of a higher purpose. For me, I believe that meaning can emerge out of meaningless matter, at the level of intelligence. |
| 00:03.36 | Wormy_ | What I am is a rational optimist. Unlike utopian optimists, rational optimists believe in a theory of failure: understanding why problems happen and things go wrong |
| 00:04.00 | Wormy_ | Problems are inevitable, but they are also solvable |
| 00:04.57 | Wormy_ | So lets imagine our civilisation at the end of the universe: they might live forever in their simulation, but they still have to manage their computation and will encounter problems they will have to solve, possibly new ones |
| 00:09.41 | Wormy_ | I think nihilism is probably a lot more intelligent than the way its used as an excuse however |
| 00:09.53 | Hachiman | Yeah of course |
| 00:10.02 | Hachiman | Ech bedtime |
| 00:17.40 | TekDroid | Well there were some interesting space agency presentationd |
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| 00:21.17 | Wormy_ | cool |
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| 00:34.02 | OpelSpeedster | Damn, Cyrannian's not here |
| 00:34.23 | OpelSpeedster | Was hoping to discuss something with him |
| 00:34.25 | OpelSpeedster | ah welp |
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| 00:36.18 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:38.13 | OpelSpeedster | Hi |
| 00:40.22 | The_Randomness | I think I spent something like 8 hours today working on stuff for my computer science classes |
| 00:42.47 | OpelSpeedster | What exactly have you done? |
| 00:43.21 | The_Randomness | Most of it was for this really neat assignment that's mainly bitwise operations |
| 00:44.21 | OpelSpeedster | Ah |
| 00:44.37 | The_Randomness | Doing things like replicating the functionality of the boolean not operator (returns 1 if the number is 0, returns 0 otherwise), doing division by a power of 2, etc. |
| 00:49.27 | OpelSpeedster | Oh! I learned stuff like that earlier this year too |
| 00:49.28 | Wormy_ | Random: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-amazing-announcement-pluto-alan-stern-a6684981.html# |
| 00:49.30 | Wormy_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-amazing-announcement-pluto-alan-stern-a6684981.html |
| 00:49.42 | The_Randomness | Oh neat |
| 00:49.45 | OpelSpeedster | But the subject has changed and got more intense lately, so I forgot most about it |
| 00:50.39 | OpelSpeedster | Wormy_: Hype |
| 00:51.47 | Wormy_ | I will hype up anything space related. |
| 00:51.50 | OpelSpeedster | Heh, I thought I lived in an era where it's too late to explore the Earth but too early to explore the Universe, but with the discoveries we're making lately I'd say I'm satisfied |
| 00:52.12 | OpelSpeedster | Better get the Hype Train ready, then |
| 00:52.54 | Wormy_ | I think it might be present geological activity, such as geysers. Pluto is warmer inside than it should be. |
| 00:53.16 | Wormy_ | It is very similar to Triton |
| 00:53.21 | OpelSpeedster | Hm, yeah, it could be that. |
| 00:53.32 | Wormy_ | Or maybe a new moon? |
| 00:53.40 | OpelSpeedster | Does it also make tectonic plate movement a possibility? |
| 00:53.45 | Wormy_ | Though it would have to be tiny |
| 00:53.58 | OpelSpeedster | Eh, I don't think a new moon would be possible, it would need to be a bit big to make enough tidal heating to heat Pluto's core |
| 00:54.04 | OpelSpeedster | And if it's big then we would have spotted it by now |
| 00:54.10 | OpelSpeedster | I could be wrong about the tidal heating part though |
| 00:54.21 | Wormy_ | Hm, I don't think its war, enough for that, must it does have regions than look like glaciers |
| 00:54.29 | Wormy_ | *warm |
| 00:54.32 | OpelSpeedster | "I don't think it's war" |
| 00:54.35 | Wormy_ | *but it does |
| 00:55.24 | Wormy_ | inb4 UFO base!] |
| 00:55.24 | OpelSpeedster | Well, nevertheless a body with geological activity would be quite a find |
| 00:56.29 | Wormy_ | Well, it would make Pluto very mysterious, some scientists already think it may have collided with another dwarf planet to stay as warm as it seems to be |
| 00:57.17 | OpelSpeedster | Would such a collision explain why it has differently-coloured spots, or that's related to something else? |
| 00:58.03 | Wormy_ | Well it may. Some regions of the surface seem to be young, suggesting resurfacing events of ice |
| 01:01.15 | Wormy_ | As for bringing up a new moon (or should I say moonlet?), I meant it as a separate question, whether or not tidal heating is enough I doubt. It would obviously have to be small enough for Hubble not to spot it |
| 01:01.48 | Wormy_ | Anyway, goodnight. |
| 01:01.51 | OpelSpeedster | Night. |
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| 01:42.33 | DrodoEmpire | yey |
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| 07:47.11 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 08:43.19 | Cyrannian | Hi |
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| 08:58.09 | ImpyDroid | Salam aleikum |
| 09:00.51 | Hachiman | Hello |
| 09:02.45 | Hachiman | I need ideas for Old and New Wind Colossi |
| 09:03.16 | Hachiman | One idea I had was a gargantuan griffin |
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| 10:17.04 | Hachiman | Hello Imp |
| 10:19.21 | ImpyDroid | hi |
| 10:45.32 | ImpyDroid | The Old Colossus of Wind could be a serpent of some kind |
| 10:45.49 | ImpyDroid | The New One - a genie perhaps? |
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| 10:48.16 | Hachiman | I did say before you disconnected that I was thinking at least one of them could be a griffon |
| 10:48.43 | Hachiman | Not entirely fond of the idea of anymore humanoid Colossi |
| 10:49.04 | ImpyDroid | A non-humanoid djinn? |
| 10:52.01 | ImpyDroid | Maybe shaped like a bird |
| 10:52.25 | Hachiman | That kinda evades the point of a djinn hur |
| 10:53.57 | ImpyDroid | Who says djinn have to be human-shaped hur |
| 10:55.08 | ImpyDroid | "A few traditions (hadith), divide jinn into three classes: those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about ceaselessly.[14] described them as creatures of different forms; some resembling vultures and snakes, others tall men in white garb.[15] They may even appear as dragons, onagers, or a number of other animals.[16]" |
| 10:55.10 | ImpyDroid | There |
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| 10:55.56 | ImpyDroid | Though maybe jinn could fit more as elementals |
| 10:56.27 | Hachiman | Yeah, djinn, in D&D at least, are more inclined towards being elementals rather than demigods or deities |
| 10:58.10 | ImpyDroid | Also kind of close to demons |
| 10:59.03 | ImpyDroid | But aren't most Colossi just oversized and overpowered versions of other magical creatures though |
| 10:59.42 | Hachiman | A few are, a few aren't |
| 10:59.46 | ImpyDroid | Phoenixes, dragons, wyverns, giant serpents, etc |
| 10:59.52 | Hachiman | More like other magical creatures are diddy versions of Colossi hur |
| 11:00.10 | Hachiman | Colossi are supposed to be like personified aspects of nature |
| 11:00.16 | Hachiman | And magic schools |
| 11:00.33 | ImpyDroid | I mean in terms of appearance |
| 11:01.08 | ImpyDroid | And meta |
| 11:01.44 | Hachiman | Well yeah, I kinda suppose |
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| 11:32.25 | Hachiman | Hi Panda |
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| 11:46.54 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:47.50 | Hachiman | Hi Worm |
| 11:49.40 | Wormy_ | This TED talk goes over some of what we were talking about last night - "Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQliI_WGaGk |
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| 11:49.56 | drom | Hai |
| 11:50.18 | drom | What's next? Punished_Ink? |
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| 11:51.41 | Wormy_ | Can't wait to find out what this Pluto announcement will be |
| 11:51.52 | drom | Wormy_: Heh "Stop right there, you chemical scum!" |
| 11:52.39 | drom | That would make a good one-line for non-organic life arresting that's not silicon-based life |
| 11:53.56 | Wormy_ | I don't know about that. Maybe virtual life or nuclear life, if such things can exist, and even they are analogous to chemistry |
| 11:57.19 | drom | Or even spiritually ascended/descended lif |
| 11:57.21 | drom | life |
| 11:57.52 | Wormy_ | *Gets physicalist on your ass* |
| 11:59.05 | drom | Nah man, Sporewikiverse is already gaseous, and it will forever be |
| 12:00.14 | Wormy_ | I forget what universe we talk about sometimes. |
| 12:00.57 | Wormy_ | Actually I'm not a physicalist, since I believe in abstractions |
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| 12:18.57 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/xMvMsy5.webm |
| 12:21.41 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/z6LmfzQ.png |
| 12:23.00 | Wormy_ | "I'll have what he's having" |
| 12:24.47 | Wormy_ | Rich coming from France standing there, we just overtook their economy |
| 12:25.04 | Wormy_ | All of Europe failings imo |
| 12:25.19 | Wormy_ | I for one will welcome our Chinese Overlords |
| 12:29.09 | Wormy_ | Eh, I find the post a bit extreme: Jumping from joking about our food to Lee Rigby is a bit far |
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| 12:30.26 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:31.05 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:32.12 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: Did you know they are going to announce a discovery on Pluto later? |
| 12:32.39 | Ghelae | No, I didn't. |
| 12:32.50 | Wormy_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-amazing-announcement-pluto-alan-stern-a6684981.html |
| 12:33.49 | Ghelae | So they're being very secretive about it. |
| 12:34.01 | Wormy_ | I think it coiuld either be: A) geological activity like geysers B) evidence of a subterranean ocean C) Alien base |
| 12:34.21 | Ghelae | Or D) a confirmation that Pluto is, in fact, a giant space dragon. |
| 12:34.31 | Wormy_ | Or that |
| 12:35.46 | drom | E) Pluto will be once again after years of humlitation, considered as a planet |
| 12:36.14 | drom | I still consider Pluto a planet |
| 12:36.20 | Ghelae | Or F) a hoax. https://twitter.com/NewHorizons2015/status/651819788553990144 |
| 12:37.29 | Solid_Ink | Wot? |
| 12:37.52 | Wormy_ | Then I will have been pranked big time |
| 12:37.52 | drom | G) a hoax of a hoax |
| 12:39.36 | Wormy_ | "BIG New Horizons science announcement tomorrow" |
| 12:39.38 | Wormy_ | BIG |
| 12:39.49 | Wormy_ | So that means there might be a smaller announcement |
| 12:41.04 | Wormy_ | H) Not a hoax, but a cynic |
| 12:42.05 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 12:42.10 | drom | I) Overhyped small news that we already know |
| 12:42.14 | drom | Hello |
| 12:45.48 | Ghelae | http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/oct/06/pluto-charon-photos-nasa-new-horizons-data |
| 12:45.56 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7572_supp/full/526S16a.html |
| 12:46.11 | Ghelae | "The space agency plans to unveil new data and images on Thursday." So looks like drom's option I). |
| 12:48.58 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Hmm. |
| 12:49.06 | Wormy_ | I can't seem to find the origin of Alan Stern's quote, either he didn't say it or did, but didn't realise how out of context it was. |
| 12:50.58 | Ghelae | I assume the latter. Of course to him and everyone involved it's all amazing, and of course he's not allowed to release information before the official release. All business as usual for New Horizons. |
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| 13:02.58 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 13:05.28 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:14.43 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Found this earlier. You might find it amusing. http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ |
| 13:15.18 | Wormy_ | "DEPARTMENT OF DECONSTRUCTION" |
| 13:16.13 | Tek0516 | It's amazing how incoherent it is yet still sounds like actual Postmodernism. :P |
| 13:16.52 | Wormy_ | "Lyotard" |
| 13:17.11 | Wormy_ | I'm guessing this is a mock journal? |
| 13:17.19 | Wormy_ | Or maybe not hur |
| 13:17.23 | Tek0516 | Random generator. |
| 13:17.58 | Tek0516 | Randomly generated postmodernism papers. XD |
| 13:18.18 | Wormy_ | They also have a Time Cube version |
| 13:20.20 | Wormy_ | Tek0516: Try this game http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ |
| 13:20.43 | Wormy_ | Real science papers vs. randomly generated ones |
| 13:23.08 | Tek0516 | I got 6 out of 10 so far |
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| 13:25.13 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 13:48.59 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/IxoD7NX.jpg |
| 13:50.22 | Wormy__ | Ghelae: Oh well, there is this to be excited about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfr04BZaI8 |
| 13:50.47 | Wormy__ | lol |
| 13:52.25 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/L0VoWT9.png |
| 13:53.33 | Ghelae | Wormy__: The obvious explanation is giant space dragons breathing fire. |
| 13:56.59 | Ghelae | It suprised me how easy it was to bring them into it. I think space dragons are actually a fine example of a theory with poor explanatory power. They're easily modified - because dragons can do whatever they want - and difficult to falsify - because they're arbitrarily good at hiding. |
| 14:05.07 | Wormy__ | Yep |
| 14:13.02 | Wormy__ | If the Greeks had known the seasons are opposite in the southern hemisphere, they could easily have varied their myth, even with slightly scientific sounding reasoning, that Persephone banishes heat from her vicinity. |
| 14:14.43 | Wormy__ | And indeed predictions with low explanatory power can be testable too. So I like the idea that before it even matters that an explanation is testable, it has to be hard to vary while still being testable |
| 14:15.47 | Wormy__ | Unfortunately, some experimental scientists that scorn quantum gravity theories as "unfalisfiable" don't seem to take this into account. |
| 14:17.23 | Wormy__ | http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1653 |
| 14:23.34 | Ghelae | One thing that blog seems to miss is the difference between "facts" and "theories". Going deep into epistemology there's no real boundary between the two, but it's a useful concept for science. A fact is some experimental observation and a hypothesis is a prediction of such an observation, and so can usually be verified but not always falsified. "Zebras exist", an example given in the blog, is an example of a fact rather than a theory |
| 14:25.21 | Ghelae | Meanwhile, a theory is a way of connecting a series of facts and providing some overarching description or explanation to bring them together. Theories are thus often things that should be falsified, but sometimes they can be essentially verified - for example, using atoms to explain material behaviour was verified when it became possible to detect atoms. |
| 14:26.23 | Ghelae | This is, as I said, a simplistic seperation between "fact"/"hypothesis" and "theory", but I think it works as a basic explanation as to why there's more than falsification in science. |
| 14:28.22 | Wormy_ | There's a useful concept here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude . It says that verified theories are reliable, and theories at the fringes are tentative. It is useful when thinking about certainty, it is easy to argue science cannot be infallibly certain, but Newtonian physics and atoms and zebras see, that way |
| 14:28.37 | Wormy_ | seem |
| 14:29.50 | Wormy_ | What is happening here, is that theories become more and more reliable overtime, until they cannot really change under local experiences, and that means very extreme experiences (being the close to the speed of light or near a massive object) would require changes to the theory on the scale being observed |
| 14:30.38 | Hachiman | So, my friends posed me with a question the other day which I am struggling to answer |
| 14:31.18 | drom | What question? |
| 14:31.45 | Hachiman | Is there anything that mankind has done that can be considered beneficial that did not come about as a consequence of calamity afflicted by mankind or as an object of self-interest for mankind |
| 14:32.04 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I'm saying this all in agreement, from what I understand, a verified explanation would be one of these reliable ones |
| 14:33.25 | Hachiman | My friends argue that mankind has not done anything beneficial for the world that did not come about as an interest for mankind or as compensation for afflictions caused by mankind |
| 14:34.20 | Ghelae | I think that question could easily be answered "no" depending on how generally you consider those two concepts. Even if people enjoy being altruistic then it's in their self-interest to help others. |
| 14:34.21 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: That is quite possibly true. However, I would disagree with the hidden meaning that humanity is unnatural or fundamentally wrongdoing. |
| 14:35.13 | Wormy_ | Actually there is that, altruism can emerge out of self-interest |
| 14:35.23 | Ghelae | For most of human history, humans have simply not had the resources to enact major changes to their surroundings without it being in their self-interest. |
| 14:37.00 | Hachiman | The conclusion of their argument is that due to this, humanity has no benefit to the world thus no right to exist and thrive as it does as they claim we have only hurt and damaged it |
| 14:37.06 | Hachiman | Which is a shitty conclusion but still |
| 14:37.25 | Ghelae | That is a terrible conclusion. No other species has had any benefit to the world either. |
| 14:38.28 | Ghelae | With humans damaging the earth, at least theh have something that singles out humans specifically. |
| 14:39.04 | Ghelae | But it's worth noting that a lot of humans don't like damaging the earth. Your friends, I assume, are examples of this category. |
| 14:39.11 | Hachiman | Of course |
| 14:39.43 | Ghelae | But it's inevitable that self-interested people who are willing to behave unethically are the most likely people to get into positions of power, because they have more (unethical) tools available to help them get into such positions. |
| 14:40.07 | Wormy_ | It's also a parochial conclusion. It assumes the natural state of the world, a typical place is nature without humanity. But a typical place in the universe is the void of intergalactic space. |
| 14:40.17 | Hachiman | They are also the sort to discount efforts to compensate for damage we have afflicted and consider the world as we have influenced to already be in a state of disrepair |
| 14:40.24 | Ghelae | So it's not a surprise that powerful individuals and corporations throughout history have chosen to damage the environment and other people. But that doesn't say anything about the species as a whole. |
| 14:42.32 | Ghelae | Discounting efforts to compensate for damage? Because the people who try to fix things are the same species as those who cause the damage? |
| 14:42.56 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 14:43.13 | Ghelae | It's a fairly common point of view, and also stupid. |
| 14:43.53 | Ghelae | Although if they also believe that they, themselves, personally should be wiped off the face of the earth along with everyone else, at least they're not being hypocrites. |
| 14:44.21 | Ghelae | If they do believe that they are special for being nice environment-loving individuals, what makes them different from those people who try to fix the damage that other people have done? |
| 14:46.27 | Hachiman | They claim that they hate humanity and that we have damaged the world into a state where it cannot be repaired again, along with stating that we have done nothing good for the world outside of compensation or self-interest, yet they are also tied to self-interest in the same way most of us are which is probably why they have not committed suicide yet |
| 14:46.57 | Hachiman | That or they crave the attention or believe themselves to be "realists" thus more enlightened than others |
| 14:47.12 | Ghelae | I assume the latter is the main motivation for their point of view. |
| 14:47.30 | Wormy_ | I just find it incredibly pessimistic too. Human culture changes overtime, there is no reason why problem-solving and technological society cannot preserve the environment. That and I dispute the very notion what we do is evil or unnatural. |
| 14:48.22 | Ghelae | I do agree that we have done nothing good for the earth outside of compensation or self-interest, but that's true for every species. |
| 14:48.38 | Wormy_ | Same |
| 14:49.15 | Ghelae | And to restate my previous point (with a little extra), for most of our history we have neither had the resources nor the knowledge to do so. Which is just like every other species on the planet. |
| 14:49.56 | Ghelae | When we acquired the resources, we didn't have the knowledge, and then add the natural selective process that the less ethically-inhibited people are more able to come into power, and that's why we end up with environmental destruction instead of utopia. |
| 14:49.59 | Wormy_ | And now times are changing. We are beginning to understand the changes we are making. The next big step will be to be able to act upon it. |
| 14:50.59 | Wormy_ | Bad philosophy tends to close the ends. It declares full understanding of the problem, and that no new knowledge can be gained. |
| 14:51.07 | Ghelae | Upon said environmental destruction occuring, there were no longer any improvements that could be made that weren't making up for what we'd already done. |
| 14:51.48 | Wormy_ | If we lived in an authoritary under such individuals, we would be in the worst kind of Dark Age imaginable. And we would really solve anything when it objectively could be. |
| 14:52.09 | Wormy_ | *we wouldn't really solve anything |
| 14:52.30 | Ghelae | So for all people's efforts, we as a species do have an "environmental debt", so to speak. I just don't think it's reasonable to assume that says the entire species is evil. |
| 14:56.16 | Wormy_ | I just watched a spider consume an entire fly in less than a second |
| 14:56.51 | Wormy_ | It landed on the web and the spider didn't even bother to wrap it up |
| 14:57.37 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 14:57.40 | Hachiman | Now that is evil |
| 15:00.18 | Wormy_ | There were 4 or 5 spiders on my window, now there is only this one. It either kicked them out or ate them |
| 15:00.34 | Wormy_ | This is on the outside of said window |
| 15:01.42 | Wormy_ | funny tweets https://twitter.com/neiltyson |
| 15:02.37 | Wormy_ | Niel also positively supports Edward Snowden |
| 15:13.14 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Some people argue humanity brings more beauty and life into the world http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7572_supp/full/526S16a.html |
| 15:13.22 | Wormy_ | See the last question |
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| 15:25.11 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 15:25.22 | OluapPlayer | bleh |
| 15:25.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:54.01 | Imperios | Ðø |
| 15:54.03 | Imperios | Hi |
| 15:54.13 | Imperios | Bah wher are the Brits |
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| 15:54.49 | Imperios | I called for Brits and Brits answered |
| 15:55.08 | Imperios | Ghel: Theology-wise, is the Anglican Church Protestant? |
| 15:55.33 | Imperios | I heard that despite not adhering to Rome its rituals and the like are mostly Catholic-ish |
| 15:56.17 | Ghel | Correct. Unlike most Protestant denominations, it wasn't created due to theological differences but because Henry VII wanted religious power. |
| 15:56.51 | Ghel | So I think they're technically Protestant but not in an entirely conventional way. |
| 15:56.54 | Imperios | Yes I am aware of that |
| 15:57.21 | Imperios | a\ |
| 15:57.34 | Imperios | Are there "normal" Protestants in UK though? |
| 15:58.00 | Ghel | Yes. Or at least there are plenty of non-Anglican churches. |
| 15:59.41 | Ghel | I don't know whether this holds generally, but the impression I get is that all the old (e.g. medieval) churches are Anglican, while there are plenty of newer buildings which cater to other denominations. |
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| 16:02.24 | Ghelae | And in case I wasn't clear enough earlier: yes, Anglicanism is AFAIK unconventionally Catholic-like for Protestants. |
| 16:02.31 | Imperios | I get the impression that newer buildings in your places are usually mosques hur |
| 16:03.26 | Ghelae | There are quite a few of those too. But I've seen a lot more churches than mosques. |
| 16:05.21 | Imperios | We have one but it's BIG |
| 16:05.26 | Imperios | And pretty old |
| 16:06.09 | Imperios | I actually don't see any new religious buildings |
| 16:06.17 | Imperios | Just the new ones renovated |
| 16:06.21 | Imperios | *old ones |
| 16:06.59 | Ghelae | In my home village one old pub was turned into a church several years ago. On the other hand, another church closed down and I believe it's due to be turned into a gym. |
| 16:07.45 | Ghelae | There are no mosques in the area. But there are also very few non-white people. |
| 16:08.00 | Imperios | I remember that during the USSR one of the largest churches in Saint-Petersburg was made into a swimming pool |
| 16:08.56 | Imperios | http://panevin.ru/uploads/calendar/lyuteranskaya_tserkov_sv_petra_i_pavla_stanet_basseinom_1024.jpg This one |
| 16:09.33 | Ghelae | Being a swimming pool suits it. |
| 16:11.09 | Imperios | That's the Lutheran church though |
| 16:11.31 | Imperios | The largest Orthodox church was made into a museum of religious history |
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| 16:58.51 | Luxor | Hello everyone, I come with a lil' question |
| 16:59.04 | Wormy_away | In Nottingham, a church was turned into a pub |
| 16:59.59 | Luxor | I'm not sure I understand even small part of human history after 2015, so, would this:http://imgur.com/RNkhWim be possible? |
| 17:00.29 | Ghelae | At some point it might be. |
| 17:00.40 | Luxor | Basically it's a raw political map for "Slav Republic" territory on Earth, but I need to know if there could be some problems with the timeline. |
| 17:00.52 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:European_Star_Republic is what we currently have for most of future Europe. |
| 17:00.59 | Luxor | After all it's some kind of Jozef Pilsudski's Intermarium |
| 17:02.00 | Luxor | **According to ESR** - let's assume that future Intermarium (Slavic Republic) is still some kind of part of this alliance. |
| 17:02.54 | Luxor | Oh, it was dissoluted. |
| 17:02.58 | Luxor | Makes things easier. |
| 17:03.03 | Luxor | Anyway, thanks for help Ghel. |
| 17:03.25 | Ghelae | I get the impression he didn't actually read the page. |
| 17:03.36 | Ghelae | It was "dissolved" in that it's now part of the Allied Terran Republic. |
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| 17:03.56 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 17:04.27 | Hachiman | So according to one source, NASA has apparently announced that Pluto has the conditions for blue skies like Earth and also indications of liquid surface water |
| 17:04.56 | Hachiman | Well, I say liquid water, water ice rather than dry ice |
| 17:05.12 | Ghelae | So... solid water. |
| 17:05.42 | drom | Yeah, solid water |
| 17:05.46 | Ghelae | Those both seem plausible. |
| 17:06.27 | Ghelae | Blue sky only needs an atmosphere thick enough to scatter light but not containing molecules that absorb too much blue. |
| 17:06.53 | Wormy_away | I'm reading that tholins are responsible for the scattering of light into the blue spectrum, rather than nitrogen. |
| 17:07.02 | Hachiman | http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/561699d4bc3f0.jpg A coloured image of Pluto, courtesy of NASA |
| 17:07.29 | Hachiman | It looks more beautiful than I once envisioned it to be |
| 17:07.39 | Wormy_away | By far |
| 17:08.18 | Wormy_ | I imagined it as a dark grey and maybe green |
| 17:09.27 | drom | never forget: http://i.imgur.com/BTk1BiN.gif |
| 17:10.58 | Hachiman | The giant heart on Pluto's surface makes the image all the more heartwarming and breathtaking |
| 17:12.56 | Wormy_ | indeed |
| 17:14.32 | Wormy_ | Pluto is strange as well, it is a lot warmer inside than we predicted. The surface geology looks recent in places and has features not seen before |
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| 17:18.25 | Hachiman_ | Perhaps Pluto could hold life, however basic and simple, due to the presence of solid water, which I imagine would require liquid water to source from |
| 17:19.39 | Wormy_ | The presence of tholins could indicate it |
| 17:20.32 | Hachiman_ | If I recall, tholins are a product of methane are they not? |
| 17:21.20 | Hachiman_ | If there is methane production on Pluto, this could be an even more exciting find |
| 17:21.45 | Hachiman_ | NASA requires more funding pls ;-; |
| 17:25.08 | Wormy_ | Countries too busy with escalating conflict http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34462868 |
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| 17:34.18 | Hachiman_ | Hai Imp |
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| 17:41.49 | OluapPlayer | sss |
| 17:41.58 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: go featured article stoof |
| 17:42.02 | OluapPlayer | do* |
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| 17:42.46 | Cyrannian | Planning on doing it tomorrow |
| 17:43.12 | Technobliterator | tfw need filler before I add extragalactics to First Ottzello War |
| 17:43.26 | Technobliterator | I don't know what to add other than a badass Zr'Ahgloth going RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWR IM ZRAHGLOTH and killing Inalton |
| 17:45.18 | OluapPlayer | u suk at writin |
| 17:47.16 | Technobliterator | ya mom suks |
| 17:47.32 | Technobliterator | I did say from the beginning I'd struggle to write the war because it's so dull :P |
| 17:49.32 | drom | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Supercarrier Check your fiction bragging privileges (on courtesy of Charles_Murray) |
| 17:50.59 | OluapPlayer | Well, you could go deeper into just Zr'Ahgloth going "rawr" |
| 17:51.22 | OluapPlayer | Elaborate on what he's doing, how he's feeling, how his soldiers are doing/feeling, so on and so forth |
| 17:52.09 | Technobliterator | On the Loron side, it's basically just excitement |
| 17:52.21 | OluapPlayer | It's still something |
| 17:52.37 | OluapPlayer | So far the war has only detailed the good guy side's point of view |
| 17:52.41 | Technobliterator | I can go into how they're so used to curbstomping everyone that they get really mad when the extragalactics suddenly pose a threat to them, so that's an idea |
| 17:53.34 | Technobliterator | oh, and I can expand on Yogtam's backstory a bit |
| 17:57.09 | Hachiman_ | This is what happens when you make a race largely one-dimensional and cannot figure out how to handle subtlety :p |
| 17:57.48 | Technobliterator | More or less, it's why the Loron are best as protagonists in comedic stories as opposed to antagonists in background stories |
| 17:58.13 | Hachiman_ | Orks from 40K can be written as both |
| 17:58.30 | Technobliterator | The Loron are more light hearted than Orks |
| 17:58.48 | Hachiman_ | That's arguable |
| 17:59.12 | Technobliterator | which might be because the wikiverse is generally more light hearted than 40K by miles |
| 17:59.21 | Technobliterator | or rather |
| 17:59.24 | Technobliterator | less grimdark |
| 17:59.33 | OluapPlayer | Same thing hur |
| 18:00.38 | Wormy_ | So Koreans ferment this paste that is essential to their cooking in giants pots placed along hills. Some are left to ferment for decades, according to the BBC. |
| 18:00.55 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27916392 |
| 18:02.04 | Wormy_ | Uh oh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34479873 |
| 18:02.47 | Technobliterator | I think it'd be a good idea to add depth to Zr'Ahgloth and Thr'aloy, seeing as they're supposed to be important Loron characters and have much less character development than the Rogue Boyz now |
| 18:02.58 | Technobliterator | alright, I have tons of ideas now |
| 18:02.59 | Technobliterator | thanks guys :o |
| 18:03.00 | Technobliterator | ...I also have swimming, so it'll have to wait until after the session |
| 18:03.01 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 18:03.35 | Hachiman_ | Swimming at 7PM |
| 18:03.38 | Hachiman_ | What the hell |
| 18:05.17 | Wormy_ | Its better to swim at night, less crowds. |
| 18:06.22 | Technobliterator | ^ |
| 18:06.31 | Technobliterator | plus it's a training session |
| 18:06.36 | Technobliterator | so I won't be done until like 9:30 |
| 18:06.51 | Hachiman_ | A lone woman clad in nothing but swimwear at an almost isolated swimming pool at night, sounds like the intro to a horror film to me |
| 18:06.58 | Technobliterator | ._. |
| 18:07.03 | Technobliterator | .___. |
| 18:07.08 | Technobliterator | bbl |
| 18:08.27 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 18:08.56 | Cyrannian | https://www.facebook.com/WhispersNews/videos/10156203554490195/ |
| 18:09.56 | Wormy_ | sizes not to scale I see# |
| 18:14.41 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QeObg1s |
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| 18:15.28 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/JDCxw# |
| 18:15.30 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:15.31 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/JDCxw |
| 18:15.35 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:15.44 | Wormy_ | 3 has been replaced with # |
| 18:18.09 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/rvz9e3i.jpg |
| 18:20.16 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Proof Jesus was an alien. |
| 18:21.01 | Wormy_ | drom bad taxidermy http://imgur.com/gallery/v8pt5 |
| 18:21.07 | Wormy_ | I knew it all along |
| 18:21.39 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/EDA1ODl.jpg dat face |
| 18:23.18 | Ghelae | 24 is an example of very good taxidermy, I would argue. |
| 18:23.56 | drom | The chipmink riding a snake? I gotta agree on that one |
| 18:24.05 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
| 18:24.48 | Wormy_ | Of course, its almost as if they died instantly and then were preserved in formaldehyde. |
| 18:26.10 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/dKd63dx.png |
| 18:30.18 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/Z5fZjiL |
| 18:31.49 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/TWqZjnB |
| 18:32.37 | Ghelae | Some of those would be quite useful. |
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| 18:35.06 | Imperios | Wormy_: You mean the brown soy paste? |
| 18:35.21 | drom | I like the superellipsis |
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| 18:35.49 | Roboticking | hello |
| 18:36.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:36.25 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Yes, it looks like it. What is it like? |
| 18:36.56 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I haven't verified this PETA story, but it may upset you http://imgur.com/gallery/r5MqTns |
| 18:36.58 | Imperios | Well it has a very strong salty taste |
| 18:37.07 | Wormy_ | It should upset any animal loving person |
| 18:38.23 | Imperios | Best way to described is soy sauce when condensed |
| 18:38.37 | Imperios | It's good with fresh vegetables, so you may use it |
| 18:38.51 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/XWJNLOe |
| 18:39.07 | Wormy_ | I think I may have had it actually |
| 18:39.12 | Hachiman_ | Animal haters disguised as animal lovers that get paid to cause people misery |
| 18:41.10 | Wormy_ | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/whistleblower-peta-employee-allegations_b_6648696.html |
| 18:41.36 | Wormy_ | It was people like that, which let out mink purposefully into the countryside |
| 18:41.39 | OluapPlayer | How pathetic |
| 18:41.53 | OluapPlayer | PETA is pathetic, that is |
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| 18:49.44 | OluapPlayer | https://41.media.tumblr.com/c0debb9660f1d05bb98246a90fa93f87/tumblr_nvuzyaIPpt1ti1l9do1_1280.png |
| 18:50.02 | Hachiman_ | hur |
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| 19:10.00 | OluapPlayer | This is frustrating |
| 19:20.55 | Hachiman_ | Fuck, I just had to miss college today |
| 19:21.05 | Hachiman_ | One of my tutors brought in a load of taxidermied animals |
| 19:21.14 | Hachiman_ | For our stop motion animation unit |
| 19:28.01 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 19:34.28 | Roboticking | test |
| 19:35.08 | Wormy_away | Btw, what the hell is Fantasy Dota 2? |
| 19:35.15 | Wormy_away | I keep getting emails by them |
| 19:35.26 | Wormy_away | Worried it might be phishing or something |
| 19:35.40 | Wormy_away | I know what Dota is, but not Fantasy Dota |
| 19:35.59 | OluapPlayer | Never heard of |
| 19:36.28 | Wormy_away | I'm also getting Holland and Barrett beauty products all the time in my spambox, like snail gel. |
| 19:36.44 | Hachiman_ | It's not phishing |
| 19:37.36 | Hachiman_ | Fantasy DotA is a feature which allows players to create their own team of professional players within a "Fantasy League" and compete against others |
| 19:37.51 | Wormy_away | I see |
| 19:37.58 | Wormy_away | Professional players, wow |
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| 19:49.25 | Hachiman_ | spuh |
| 19:51.16 | Xho | a |
| 19:52.26 | OluapPlayer | spi |
| 19:52.39 | Xho | i |
| 19:55.03 | Xho | I should start on that Ministarium of Epochs page |
| 19:55.13 | Xho | Microwave of Ewoks |
| 19:55.45 | OluapPlayer | work on kicath sections grrr |
| 19:56.21 | Xho | Ah right I need to ask more users if they want to lend characters to it |
| 19:56.38 | OluapPlayer | By Kicath sections I mean the Vekaron team story |
| 19:56.39 | Hachiman_ | Can I be involved |
| 19:56.57 | Xho | fien |
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| 20:40.15 | drom | I imagine a base system where the zero is treated as the highest digit in terms of placement (e.g. Top 10) |
| 20:40.56 | Ghelae | Like SporeWiki's tier system? |
| 20:41.04 | drom | Hm, yeah |
| 20:42.18 | Imperios | Hachiman_ OluapPlayer Xho: Our discussion with Hachi earlier this day made me realise |
| 20:42.24 | Imperios | We don't have genies in the Fantasyverse |
| 20:42.29 | drom | I imagine it would be a tool to troll those whose system treats 0 as an invaild value and the digit 1 as the highest value. |
| 20:42.38 | OluapPlayer | We discussed with Hachi today? |
| 20:42.47 | Hachiman_ | I discussed with Imp earlier |
| 20:42.57 | Hachiman_ | About potential ideas for Old and New Wind Colossi |
| 20:43.20 | Hachiman_ | I've pretty much guaranteed that at least one of those Colossi will be a giant griffon hur |
| 20:43.29 | Ghelae | drom: It seems perfectly reasonable to me. Just unintuitive to anyone used to our 1-is-highest system. |
| 20:43.46 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of Colossi |
| 20:43.47 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: As in me and Hachi |
| 20:43.55 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AVulcardentron I made this around 2 days ago |
| 20:46.27 | Imperios | He looks like a burning mouse |
| 20:46.53 | drom | Ghelae: #programmerhumor |
| 20:47.17 | drom | (it's not a channel, it is a hashtag) |
| 20:47.33 | Xho | I said we had a lack of genies months ago |
| 20:50.18 | drom | Ghelae TekDroid_ Wormy_away Imperios: I should get this cup http://i.imgur.com/jp3vtik.png |
| 20:50.35 | TekDroid_ | lol |
| 20:51.59 | Wormy_away | lol |
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| 20:53.46 | OluapPlayer | WAKE ME UP INSIDE |
| 20:53.48 | TekDroid_ | tries to become the World's #-1 Programmer but gets an error and crashed |
| 20:53.55 | Hachiman_ | [CAN'T WAKE UP] |
| 20:54.23 | OluapPlayer | Anyone said anything? |
| 20:54.58 | Hachiman_ | Imp said Vulcardentron looks like a burning mouse |
| 20:55.00 | Ghelae | [21:46] <Imperios> He looks like a burning mouse |
| 20:55.03 | Ghelae | [21:47] <Xho> I said we had a lack of genies months ago |
| 20:55.13 | Ghelae | And that was the only fantasy stuff. |
| 20:55.25 | OluapPlayer | Your face is a burning mouse |
| 20:55.37 | Hachiman_ | Ma'fest? |
| 20:56.02 | Hachiman_ | And now you scared him off |
| 20:56.04 | OluapPlayer | Burned so badly he died |
| 20:56.26 | drom | Ghelae Wormy_away TekDroid_: http://rlv.zcache.com/programming_developer_if_coffee_mug-r359f36066e4f470f99d674ff7a175ccb_x7jgr_8byvr_324.jpg |
| 20:56.52 | TekDroid_ | lol |
| 20:57.31 | Wormy_away | good one |
| 21:02.21 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/xygc39y.jpg |
| 21:04.43 | drom | This is already posted? https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/blue_skies_on_pluto-final-2.png?itok=I4-pLTkc |
| 21:06.01 | Ghelae | We discussed Pluto's blue skies earlier, but didn't see that picture. |
| 21:09.01 | Technobliterator | ok back |
| 21:09.29 | Wormy_away | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html |
| 21:10.11 | Xho | Tumblr Dwellers: Cannot Thrive in Real Life |
| 21:10.16 | Wormy_away | Ghel: Also they tried as hard as possible to make it what the eye would see |
| 21:10.32 | Wormy_away | Thankfully not |
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| 21:18.06 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12049457_520564564765865_9047252161906162546_n.jpg?oh=0cf6cb6f3436f3ba422ff92daa19ba10&oe=568823A2 |
| 21:18.21 | Technobliterator | hahahahahahaha |
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| 21:19.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
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| 21:21.51 | Roboticking | I must go Farewell |
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| 21:27.04 | Hachiman_ | Jesus |
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| 21:34.35 | Technobliterator | I'll see if I can't pump out 4 sections |
| 21:34.48 | Technobliterator | maybe having the next whole "chapter" be Loron focused would be good |
| 21:36.54 | drom | Technobliterator: I'd appericate more if you could try contacting me on IRC about your concerns or cents on my templates and alike. |
| 21:37.08 | Technobliterator | ? |
| 21:37.11 | Technobliterator | I made a correction to it |
| 21:37.17 | Technobliterator | You are required to add a category |
| 21:37.27 | Technobliterator | And the summary I added makes it quite clear |
| 21:37.40 | Technobliterator | it's not like I completely rewrote it ._. |
| 21:38.40 | drom | I still would appericate if you could |
| 21:39.14 | drom | And, you don't put categories outside the "noinclude" tags |
| 21:40.12 | Technobliterator | fuck |
| 21:40.17 | Technobliterator | I should've done that |
| 21:40.28 | Technobliterator | I'm too used to templates being wrapped in onlyincludes |
| 21:43.05 | Cyrannian | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12115759_805318516247005_8862796378180628660_n.jpg?oh=993087e363ff223a08792cc990bddd6c&oe=569B00B7&__gda__=1456402049_12215f4745f4e431cc40201fd985e7f0 |
| 21:44.08 | drom | And regarding your question about the "usage" of BGCell, Technobliterator. You can find them in use in this page: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Supercarrier#Pre-Franconica_.28supercarrier-like_starships.29 specifically the "Class" column |
| 21:44.30 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 21:44.54 | Technobliterator | not too bad |
| 21:45.09 | Technobliterator | you can probably use CSS for that, but a template's likely more user friendly for most people |
| 21:45.56 | drom | It is also better than having to create every damn friggin class for every each possible fiction |
| 21:49.57 | DrodoEmpire | "Weather report interrupted by Florida man catching fish in street with his bare hands" |
| 21:50.40 | Technobliterator | can't you just use styles? |
| 21:52.02 | drom | Technobliterator: No |
| 21:52.28 | drom | I know that I have access to the css files, but it doesn't fullfill the requirements |
| 21:55.38 | drom | Hm, if you meant about defining a class for the "hard-coded" BGCell inline style. Then yes. |
| 21:55.51 | drom | But I don't have the energy to do it tonight |
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| 22:53.17 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 22:54.47 | OfficerJackal | DrodoEmpire: Loud and clear! |
| 22:55.36 | Roboticking | Is he truly...loud and clear? |
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| 22:56.27 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/2vlDTON |
| 22:56.30 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 22:58.30 | DrodoEmpire | Neptune must've been *pissed* at that guy. |
| 23:03.34 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/6sSLDNu |
| 23:20.46 | Wormy_away | Trump vs. Scottish government http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34472801 |
| 23:20.54 | Wormy_away | They wont lick his arse |
