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| 12:12.20 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 12:26.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:26.39 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:27.58 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:51.49 | AdmiralPanda | so what's everyone up to? |
| 12:52.32 | OluapPlayer | Nothing much |
| 12:52.40 | Ghelae | I had one lecture this morning. Now waiting until free hot dogs are served in the common room this evening. |
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| 12:56.15 | Technobliterator | I have no lectures today |
| 12:56.17 | Technobliterator | 8D |
| 12:57.32 | Ghelae | My lecture was in a module that I'm almost certainly not going to take. I just went in for something to do. |
| 12:57.53 | Ghelae | In future weeks I'll have my fourth year project to keep me occupied instead. |
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| 13:06.31 | drom | Wormy_: get yourself some floof! https://i.imgur.com/7JMvgIN.jpg |
| 13:07.43 | Wormy_ | snowy floof |
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| 13:26.06 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: We had free beer at Leicester |
| 13:27.10 | Ghelae | How come? |
| 13:27.22 | drom | Sometimes it feels almost more like that Wormy_ and Ghelae are living in the same town, but too awkward to meet each other and like to brag about getting drunk. |
| 13:27.47 | Wormy_ | Almost right, but Ghelae doesn't like alcohol |
| 13:28.04 | drom | I know that this is completely untrue, but it puts a smile on my face |
| 13:28.23 | Wormy_ | Ghel: We actually had a geological students union sort of thing, after talks from speakers they'd have a table of beer and snacks, and then the pub |
| 13:28.47 | Ghelae | So geologists -> free beer, as usual. |
| 13:29.37 | Wormy_ | I don't live where Ghelae studies, but i also study where Ghelae studies but at a different place. |
| 13:30.05 | drom | Yet too awkward to do a meetup? |
| 13:30.06 | Wormy_ | On the other side of the city |
| 13:30.23 | Wormy_ | Kinda, but we are actually quite far apart |
| 13:30.43 | drom | Then it is probably worth the hassle, no? |
| 13:30.52 | Wormy_ | I think Ghel almost went to Uni of Leicester, then we would have certainly met |
| 13:31.21 | Wormy_ | Ghelae can meet me at CafeSci if he wants |
| 13:31.52 | drom | Idk about the life of a Computer/Architect/Civil Engineer student is like |
| 13:32.20 | drom | I'll find out next year or two. |
| 13:36.10 | Wormy_ | I'm starting to look for Master's degrees |
| 13:37.22 | Wormy_ | But I should probably get a job next year |
| 13:42.24 | Wormy_ | What ther hell, another Far Cry game |
| 13:42.42 | Wormy_ | I still mean to play Far Cry 3 |
| 13:51.37 | drom | The uni I'm being interested in has technology-focused biology |
| 13:53.16 | drom | And one that focues on chemical biology |
| 13:57.35 | drom | Hm, this uni's software course is fouced on python and java for the first year |
| 13:57.38 | drom | C++ on second |
| 13:59.15 | drom | Computer Technology has only Python, Ada and Java |
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| 14:13.09 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 14:18.44 | drom | So today my dormitory mentor turned up today dressed like a gopnik |
| 14:18.48 | drom | Hilarity ensued |
| 14:19.33 | Wormy_ | For lols or as a real gopnik? |
| 14:19.55 | Wormy_ | I expect Chavs will probably take on Gopnikness soon |
| 14:19.57 | drom | Neither. He was wearning jeans and a pair of sneakers |
| 14:20.06 | drom | Just for style |
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| 14:20.12 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 14:20.15 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:20.27 | drom | But his jacket and basker cap was so uncannily similar to the ones wore by gopniks |
| 14:21.22 | drom | Speaking of, I've a pair of fancy shoes and a pair of Adidas track trousers. |
| 14:21.35 | drom | Aaaaand. A leather jacket and a basker cap |
| 14:22.09 | drom | Some changes to my behaviour and some squatting, then I'm transformed to a gopnik. |
| 14:23.18 | Wormy_ | Chavs wore tracksuits a decade ago, but seemed to have phased out of it |
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| 14:25.37 | Wormy_ | drom http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wAG6E8sw_S8/maxresdefault.jpg http://www.me-me-me.tv/images/2011/07/jeremy-kyle-freaks.jpg http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/556c4c25a8256.jpg |
| 14:26.11 | Wormy_ | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RXCG3vTdLmI/hqdefault.jpg |
| 14:26.12 | drom | "I'll never marry you if you fail" - you are the one speaking |
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| 14:27.22 | drom | These teeth ... that explains this |
| 14:27.23 | drom | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KRwqaOQ7MLU/hqdefault.jpg |
| 14:27.27 | drom | Wormy_ ^ |
| 14:28.08 | Wormy_ | Lol |
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| 14:29.53 | Wormy_ | drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5j6QYRBTg |
| 14:31.53 | drom | Those teeth |
| 14:32.53 | drom | Looks like someone had never had paid a visit to the dentist's office |
| 14:36.55 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: Ubisoft a new Far Cry game called Far Cry Primal, which is set in 10,000 BC and follows a new protagonist, a seasoned hunter caveman called Takkar |
| 14:37.01 | Hachiman | announced a new game even |
| 14:38.56 | drom | Ubisoft is EA |
| 14:39.01 | drom | EA is Ubisoft |
| 14:39.07 | drom | Different name, same shit |
| 14:39.15 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 14:45.44 | OfficerJackal | Huh, watched the trailer, looks interesting! I'm gonna be cautious about it though since Ubisoft. |
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| 14:51.46 | Charles_Murray | test |
| 14:52.23 | TekDroid | pass |
| 14:53.37 | OfficerJackal | was sleeping on the job for answering "test" messages. |
| 14:53.40 | OfficerJackal | is fired. |
| 14:53.50 | OntheDoleJackal | Shit. |
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| 15:11.09 | Technobliterator | I;ve heard of Far Cry Primal, yeah |
| 15:11.31 | Technobliterator | Seems interesting, not what I was expecting though |
| 15:14.11 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfCJrljvKA |
| 15:15.32 | Technobliterator | pffthahahahahaha |
| 15:15.33 | Technobliterator | lmfao |
| 15:15.45 | Technobliterator | wow |
| 15:15.50 | Technobliterator | that's the best way to take out a helicoper |
| 15:19.28 | Technobliterator | hahaha |
| 15:19.30 | Technobliterator | dat intruder |
| 15:20.31 | Technobliterator | wow, the pc version has bugs |
| 15:21.07 | drom_ | i don't understand mgs |
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| 16:34.38 | Charles_Murray | test |
| 16:35.00 | drom | Charles_Murray: HIV Positive |
| 16:35.37 | Charles_Murray | *resists a your mama joke* |
| 17:16.30 | TekDroid | ~poke Charles_Murray |
| 17:16.30 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Charles_Murray, pokes Charles_Murray repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 17:50.05 | Hachiman | spu |
| 17:50.52 | Technobliterator | sup spu |
| 17:54.00 | Xho | AAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 18:05.58 | LuxorHere | ayy lmao |
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| 18:19.40 | Hachiman | Dumternet |
| 18:21.21 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/GTyU9vS |
| 18:22.15 | Wormy_away | cuddle him Satan http://imgur.com/gallery/4MGPQGL |
| 18:23.05 | Wormy_away | drom: I have always strived to write an a like this http://imgur.com/gallery/qHn6G5F |
| 18:24.41 | Wormy_away | puppy machine http://imgur.com/gallery/xoyiTHE |
| 18:25.58 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/jffhN |
| 18:29.59 | Xho | I need to get some fiction donw |
| 18:30.01 | Xho | done even |
| 18:30.03 | Xho | Hm |
| 18:30.14 | Xho | I should do that Ministarium of Epochs page |
| 18:33.17 | TekDroid | Wormy_away: So I got to see the Martian last night. Movie was awesome and the scientific accuracy made it even better. |
| 18:33.40 | Wormy_away | Indeed# |
| 18:33.57 | Wormy_away | damn these hashtags |
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| 18:44.37 | Wormy_away | My real name by approximation to pronunciation in Chinese would be "Yan Tian bin" |
| 18:45.12 | Wormy_away | http://www.mandarintools.com/chinesename.html |
| 18:51.02 | Wormy_away | Hachiman http://i.imgur.com/E7G8Tsz.jpg |
| 18:53.18 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/Ky0zy |
| 18:53.36 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/SvsOkaH |
| 18:56.05 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/1sHJ6ay.jpg |
| 19:00.27 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/HzmBTVe.jpg |
| 19:03.37 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/T9bb2XQ.jpg |
| 19:05.18 | Wormy_away | http://i.imgur.com/sAYeL0i.jpg |
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| 19:06.23 | Roboticking_ | what sounds better |
| 19:06.27 | Roboticking_ | Bane Priests |
| 19:06.31 | Roboticking_ | or Bane Pontiffs |
| 19:11.31 | Wormy_away | 'Straya http://imgur.com/gallery/PPd97 |
| 19:13.36 | drom | Speakin of Wormy_away: I saw a gif of a kangroo in wrestling shorts bang the shit out a woman and even attempted to strangle her |
| 19:13.48 | Wormy_away | Just seen it now |
| 19:13.57 | drom | I saw it this morning |
| 19:14.05 | Wormy_away | I have watched boxing matches with Kangaroos |
| 19:14.14 | Wormy_away | The Kangaroo often won |
| 19:15.01 | Wormy_away | Though in the 1950s, a declawed (and likely filed toothed) Grizzly bear used to be in the ring, and beat every opponent |
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| 19:23.47 | dino82_ | hello |
| 19:24.41 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 19:25.05 | Roboticking | hello |
| 19:41.12 | Wormy_away | dino82_ Are you watching Babylon 5?! |
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| 19:45.05 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:45.39 | Roboticking | hello |
| 19:48.45 | Hachiman | Roboticking: Bane Priests |
| 19:50.24 | Roboticking | alright |
| 19:50.35 | Roboticking | Pontiffs doesnt fit well there does it? |
| 19:54.14 | dino82_ | @wORMYiD DID WATCH IT |
| 19:54.16 | dino82_ | whoops |
| 19:54.21 | dino82_ | a long while ago |
| 19:54.23 | dino82_ | why? |
| 19:55.41 | Hachiman | Roboticking: Not really no, plus "Bane Priests" rolls off the tongue better |
| 19:56.06 | Roboticking | I was thinking the same |
| 19:57.44 | dino82_ | whoops have to leave again |
| 19:57.44 | dino82_ | bye |
| 20:00.42 | TekDroid | Wormy_away: I actually just finished the series a couple days ago |
| 20:02.10 | Wormy_away | TekDroid: highly enjoyable |
| 20:02.22 | TekDroid | Indeed |
| 20:02.52 | Wormy_away | Understanding is a three-edged sword. |
| 20:03.32 | TekDroid | Who said that quote? I remember it but I can't recall. |
| 20:03.39 | Wormy_away | Ambassador Kosh |
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| 20:04.54 | Wormy_away | And the arguments between Londo and G'kar are hilarious |
| 20:05.08 | Wormy_away | I have still yet to see the films |
| 20:05.53 | TekDroid | I've seen three of them I think. Never actually saw the pilot movie though. XD |
| 20:07.34 | Wormy_away | "If You Value Your Lives Be Somewhere Else." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFvkgfBXHPA |
| 20:08.38 | Wormy_away | The scene where Earth Alliance fleet tails it because of a Minbari vessel |
| 20:08.55 | Roboticking | . |
| 20:09.25 | Wormy_away | Earth Alliance ships look really badass but they are pretty primitive compared to the Minbari and maybe Centauri |
| 20:14.11 | Wormy_away | Trying rice pudding for the first time in 16 years |
| 20:14.56 | Wormy_away | Well, I must admit the after-taste is reminiscently sour, but I think I don't mind it anymore. |
| 20:15.39 | drom | Aaah, what series? |
| 20:15.50 | drom | Babylo 5? |
| 20:15.52 | Wormy_away | Yes |
| 20:16.13 | drom | I see |
| 20:16.57 | Wormy_away | Earth-Minbari War https://youtu.be/DeNBJ5o-b7s?t=1m13s |
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| 20:56.22 | OfficerJackal | https://www.origin.com/en-us/store/free-games/demos-betas - Star Wars Battlefront Beta goes live tomorrow, if anyone is interested. |
| 20:59.09 | Roboticking | I am |
| 21:12.38 | Wormy_away | kiss me http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/c/c2/Antedeans.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121207032445&path-prefix=en |
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| 22:00.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
| 22:03.17 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 22:27.29 | Hachiman | Wormy_away: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12046667_1095229600489886_1884436358406815819_n.jpg?oh=4b772f752b62578b35563ca0b5fa0812&oe=56CCBF9A |
| 22:28.21 | Wormy_away | lol |
| 22:29.12 | Wormy_away | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-amazing-announcement-pluto-alan-stern-a6684981.html |
| 22:29.14 | Wormy_away | !!! |
| 22:29.24 | Wormy_away | inb4 UFO base |
| 22:29.36 | Hachiman | Eh nothing that exciting |
| 22:29.49 | Hachiman | They are probably going to reclassify it as a planet |
| 22:30.06 | Hachiman | Rather than a dwarf planet |
| 22:31.50 | Wormy_away | Those Hexagonal mountains though |
| 22:32.21 | Wormy_away | Actually, I think it might be the discovery of somekind of active geological activity |
| 22:32.38 | Wormy_away | Such as geysers. Pluto is a lot warmer than it should be, inside |
| 22:33.11 | Wormy_away | Which has made some scientists think it may have collided with another dwarf planet. |
| 22:33.31 | TekBusy | Doing some networking thing with some space organizations |
| 22:35.41 | Hachiman | Hexagonal mountain ranges does sound rather bizarre, if artificial |
| 22:35.54 | Hachiman | *do sound rather bizarre even |
| 22:36.47 | Wormy_away | There's a strange mountain on Ceres which nobody seems to be able to explain |
| 22:37.03 | Hachiman | The lights on Ceres' surface are what intrigue me |
| 22:37.09 | Wormy_away | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahuna_Mons |
| 22:37.55 | Wormy_away | We should look for signs of earthworks. The Drake Equation suggests the universe should be full of self-replicating machines |
| 22:38.25 | Hachiman | That and the state of liquid water beneath the surface and crust of Europa due to its potential for generating heat and energy |
| 22:38.55 | Wormy_away | Anyway, just so you know, I've been told auroral activity is being sighted in Britain tonight. I'm going to have a look if its clear. |
| 22:39.26 | Wormy_away | Then again, I'm further north than you |
| 22:40.34 | Hachiman | Yes, I doubt I am going to be able to see an aurora from my position hur |
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| 22:47.03 | Hachiman | As much as I hope for evidence of extraterrestrial influence in our solar system, I highly doubt its possibility |
| 22:47.15 | Hachiman | The galaxy is far too large |
| 22:58.04 | Wormy_away | I couldn't see any aurora, but I did last year, albeit they were just blobs |
| 22:58.36 | Hachiman | Incidentally, according to science site I Fucking Love Science, the lights on Ceres are apparently being determined to be large, exposed deposits of salts on Ceres' surface |
| 22:59.30 | Wormy_ | This was shot in Derbyshire, however, so they can get intense on very rare occasions in my county http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276250/Article/images/20422372/5694779-large.jpg |
| 23:02.03 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: the problem is not a matter of size. For self-replicating machines, all you need is a toolmaker to build them billions of years ago. Eventually they'll expand at a rate close to the speed of light, which means a galaxy should be swarming with them within just over 100,000 years |
| 23:03.05 | Wormy_ | That's 10 billion years of chance for any particular galaxy to evolve such tool makers |
| 23:03.15 | Wormy_ | damn internet |
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| 23:13.57 | Hachiman | Wormy_: I read a short story some days ago about the extinction of mankind via submitting conscious thought and bodily control to effectively immortal lives led in virtual reality while their bodies are maintained in large statis facilities |
| 23:14.11 | Hachiman | stasis even |
| 23:14.37 | Wormy_ | Perhaps they were only extinct in flesh |
| 23:14.50 | Wormy_ | btw |
| 23:14.52 | Wormy_ | 00:01] <Wormy_> Hachiman: the problem is not a matter of size. For self-replicating machines, all you need is a toolmaker to build them billions of years ago. Eventually they'll expand at a rate close to the speed of light, which means a galaxy should be swarming with them within just over 100,000 years |
| 23:15.00 | Wormy_ | [00:02] <Wormy_> That's 10 billion years of chance for any particular galaxy to evolve such tool makers |
| 23:15.14 | Hachiman | Hm that is a fair point |
| 23:15.36 | Hachiman | But then while I support the Drake Equation, I find that it can very easily be incorrect |
| 23:16.24 | Wormy_ | The problem is why the universe is not: its easiest to say they don't exist; or that civilisations find better methods than von nuemanns. Alternatively, the technology could be invisible to us |
| 23:17.28 | Wormy_ | Hachi: For me, the freakest story by Baxter I read was "Lines of Longitude" |
| 23:17.42 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 23:19.05 | Wormy_ | Basically this UFO-nut is found cold and dead in his home, with notes scribbled down describing being abducted and taken on a ride through "imaginary time", a sort of time that runs sideways giving the universe a pole that you can't escape |
| 23:19.51 | Wormy_ | The story spreads like a meme. His freiend wakes up in this pole as well, at their home, but in an eery space |
| 23:20.04 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 23:20.27 | Hachiman | What is sideways time? |
| 23:20.36 | Hachiman | Or imaginary time hur |
| 23:21.00 | Wormy_ | Eventually as the meme spreads, more and more people wake up isolated in this pole - they of course aren't in any strange space, the meme makes them believe they are and isolates them from humanity. The implication is that it well, spreads to everyone |
| 23:21.29 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_time |
| 23:22.41 | Wormy_ | I'm not quite sure myself lol |
| 23:23.48 | Wormy_ | Actually, if you ever wondered how the DCP's ghost phase works, there you go |
| 23:24.16 | Wormy_ | The DCP ship goes toward the hidden spacetime coordinate perpendicular to your senses. |
| 23:25.11 | Wormy_ | It's not that it disappears, but it hides behind corners in space you can't see as it is not accessed by light or matter in normal conditions |
| 23:27.00 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:27.24 | Hachiman | I get reminded of the first Silent Hill movie; the main character and her husband venture Silent Hill simultaneously at some point yet they cannot access or perceive one another aside from minor influences to the world around them |
| 23:28.05 | Wormy_ | Yeah, I didn't like the ending of that film where they get stuck in that world because the girl didn't keep her eyes closed. |
| 23:28.36 | Liquid_Ink | https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtl1/t31.0-0/p370x247/12038679_320624958061403_4494603036771647994_o.png |
| 23:28.36 | Hachiman | That is currently how I am perceiving imaginary time to work based on what you've said |
| 23:28.50 | Wormy_ | I think its a good analogy |
| 23:29.21 | Wormy_ | http://www.strangenotions.com/wp-content/uploads/Hartle-Hawking-model1.gif |
| 23:29.27 | Wormy_ | There's a diagram |
| 23:30.03 | Wormy_ | This is how I imagine it: the universe is actually a sphere with poles, one pole representing the Big Bang, and the other being Timelike Infinity |
| 23:30.22 | Wormy_ | (xeelee reference hur) |
| 23:31.08 | Hachiman | So one is the root, the other is all the extended branches? |
| 23:31.58 | Wormy_ | Yes, and being a geometric object, it makes no sense to say before or after, you could just slide along the sideways time directions |
| 23:33.53 | Wormy_ | Ghelae points out this description of ghost phase technology is very similar to that of the hyperdrive |
| 23:33.54 | Hachiman | It is no wonder Baxter's work is not considered contemporary when he models his stories off of such complex elements |
| 23:34.05 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 23:34.49 | Wormy_ | He writes in the style of Asimov and Clarke, rather than most modern sci-fi |
| 23:35.16 | Hachiman | And yet Asimov and Clarke are probably far more well-known than Baxter is |
| 23:35.32 | Hachiman | Actually eh, that is kinda arguable when we bring the modern public into consideration |
| 23:36.39 | Wormy_ | One thing that let Baxter down in his earlier days were lack of character developments. His stories were often far reaching in time |
| 23:37.03 | Wormy_ | I think he has changed that around in recent books |
| 23:37.18 | Hachiman | I do find that a fair amount of Baxter's work, from what I have read, contain rather still characters |
| 23:37.45 | Hachiman | They are defined by the things they do rather than who they are in most circumstances although I will take you word that he has improved |
| 23:38.05 | Wormy_ | While I don't mind that, because I knowingly read Xeelee Sequence for its epochal saga, I can see why it might not appeal to the general audience |
| 23:38.43 | Wormy_ | His Proxima series features characters in depth |
| 23:39.09 | Hachiman | He also does not bother attempting to simplify his analogies or put complex science into a more "basic" understanding |
| 23:44.26 | Wormy_ | I qauite like the style of Iian Banks |
| 23:44.57 | Wormy_ | He goes into a lot of detail describing the culture and lifestyle of his civilisations. |
| 23:45.41 | Hachiman | That is always good for worldbuilding |
| 23:46.21 | Hachiman | Also, Wormy, I am curious as per your opinion and outlook on nihilism |
| 23:47.30 | Wormy_ | I don't know much about the philosophy, but I don't like its popular usage, |
| 23:48.12 | Wormy_ | That we are meaningless because we are small, makes no real sense to me |
| 23:51.57 | Hachiman | It is the ideal that due to our scale and (in)significance in the universe that whatever accomplishments or shortcomings people individually or collectively achieve mean effectively nothing, either because of the finite nature of the universe |
| 23:52.19 | Wormy_ | That's parochial |
| 23:52.56 | Wormy_ | True, there are phenomena in the universe that are powerful and indifferent, that could wipe out all life in an instant. But life has survived for billions of years, it has in fact shaped the environment physically the chemically to benefit it's own existence. |
| 23:53.51 | Wormy_ | Tectonics would slow without the action of living things, that promote clay to form and lubricate the plates. |
| 23:54.40 | Wormy_ | Photosynthesis could such a radical shift in Earth's climate and atmospheric composition, and in turn oxygen provided the energy life needed to become complex |
| 23:54.45 | Wormy_ | *caused |
| 23:55.06 | Wormy_ | All without purpose, yet marvellous in its complexity |
| 23:55.40 | Wormy_ | There is no reason to assume life and intelligence could not one day shape the universe in the same way. |
| 23:56.20 | Wormy_ | Just because we have not seen it in the universe's history, does not mean we should conclude ultimate meainglessness |
| 23:56.52 | Hachiman | I doubt that any form of advanced civilisation would be capable of preventing one of the three most probable conclusions for the end of the universe |
| 23:58.04 | Hachiman | I think that a lot of people who argue for nihilism as an ideal treat it as either an excuse or are discontented with the idea of a lack of purpose or higher capacity to influence their surroundings and aspects of their life |
| 23:58.53 | Wormy_ | And yet, people have thought of solutions. For both the Big Crunch and Heat Death scenarios, you can imagine a form of computation that uses spacetime's expansion or collapse to process information infinitely fast. |
| 23:59.47 | Wormy_ | Intelligence could survive subjectively forever, even though they did not actually halt the universe's destruction |
