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00:14.57 | Roboticking45 | helo |
00:15.05 | Roboticking45 | hello |
00:15.06 | The_Randomness | Hello |
00:16.06 | Roboticking45 | anything interesting going on, or just a moment of silence whilst people go about their online lives? |
00:17.28 | The_Randomness | I'm just working on some homework |
00:17.28 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing right now I guess |
00:18.19 | Roboticking45 | same randomness |
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00:25.44 | NoblaSourEmpire | hello |
00:35.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
00:46.21 | NoblaSourEmpire | whats up |
00:47.50 | DrodoEmpire | Not much |
00:48.20 | NoblaSourEmpire | I just got a cool refrench |
00:48.30 | NoblaSourEmpire | *refence XD |
00:48.30 | NoblaSourEmpire | *refrence! |
00:48.30 | NoblaSourEmpire | UGH! |
00:48.33 | DrodoEmpire | "refrench"? |
00:48.34 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
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00:54.27 | NoblaSourEmpire | back XD |
00:54.36 | NoblaSourEmpire | please excuse my terrible Spelling |
00:54.53 | NoblaSourEmpire | anyway |
00:55.13 | NoblaSourEmpire | i just got a reference from something |
00:55.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
00:57.15 | NoblaSourEmpire | The Bust of Yaman |
00:58.09 | NoblaSourEmpire | is a reference to a HUGE Accient Mesopotamian Monster from Assyrian Babylonian Sumerian And Akkdanian Mythology |
00:58.56 | NoblaSourEmpire | Thats why they say the monster was from "the fertile Plains" its talking about the Nineveh plains or "The Fertile Cresent" |
01:02.22 | DrodoEmpire | I see. |
01:02.29 | DrodoEmpire | Never actually knew that. |
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01:14.39 | Roboticking45 | hello? |
01:14.47 | DrodoEmpire | Yes? |
01:24.58 | Roboticking45 | Just seeing if anyone is active |
01:25.49 | OfficerJackal | I'm active, just not much going on. |
01:29.14 | Roboticking45 | tht is true, it is 9:29 am here on the east coast |
01:29.49 | Roboticking45 | PM* |
01:30.38 | DrodoEmpire | 10:30 here in Nova Scotia. |
01:30.41 | OfficerJackal | Hah, yep, same time over here. On the east coast as well... Well, not really, but I am in the same time-zone. |
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07:00.59 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
07:01.12 | Liquid_Ink | Hello! |
07:01.15 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
07:01.22 | ImpyDroid | I'm okay |
07:01.37 | ImpyDroid | Got a Watchmen book from a friend |
07:04.12 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/one-of-europes-biggest-mosques-to-open-in-moscow/534609.html Vodkbar |
07:05.36 | Liquid_Ink | And how are the Russians coping? |
07:05.47 | ImpyDroid | We do not give a fuck |
07:05.58 | ImpyDroid | That mosque was up for a century or so |
07:06.07 | ImpyDroid | It was just expanded |
07:08.41 | ImpyDroid | Same in Saint-Petersburg, we have mosques here too and we just kinda live with it |
07:08.47 | ImpyDroid | And Catholic churches |
07:08.54 | ImpyDroid | And Protestant churches |
07:08.59 | ImpyDroid | And Buddhist temples |
07:10.34 | ImpyDroid | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/The_Buddhistic_Temple_in_St._Petersburg.jpg/800px-The_Buddhistic_Temple_in_St._Petersburg.jpg We breed Sub-Zero Buddhist monks there |
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10:06.15 | Jepardi | Hi |
10:44.35 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
10:45.02 | Liquid_Ink | Only 38 minutes late. |
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12:07.15 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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13:58.09 | Ardoku | Hey. what's up? |
13:58.42 | Ardoku | Anything special been happening on the wiki lately? |
14:03.11 | Ghelae | Hello. There's nothing much happening right now; you're the first person to say anything except for "hello" or "hi" in two hours. |
14:04.08 | Ghelae | As for more generally on the wiki... I can't think of anything major right now. |
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14:18.15 | Ardoku | Well that's a bit disappointing... |
14:23.25 | Imperios | Wormy_: What's that about Cameron and pigs? |
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14:30.00 | drom | Thanks OluapPlayer |
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15:15.57 | drom | Wormy_ Techno: http://i.imgur.com/0vx79Ps.jpg |
15:23.12 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/i6CwfOd.jpg |
15:25.17 | Wormy_ | youth today |
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15:35.26 | Charles_Murray | test |
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15:47.30 | drom | Wormy_: Anyway, I went out for a run today |
15:48.34 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: What is that with Cameron and pigs? |
15:48.40 | drom | Same 6 miler as two weeks ago, except I managed to pull it all off at once without a single stop (excluding those boring ped crossings on busy roads) |
15:49.00 | OluapPlayer | Cameron had to put his dick in a dead pig's mouth in his college days |
15:49.13 | ImpyDroid | Oh |
15:49.14 | ImpyDroid | OH |
15:51.05 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: He also took coke and weed |
15:51.25 | Wormy_ | Its only the upper class who's debauchery reaches levels of necrophilia |
15:52.16 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: I've read the Russian Embassy and Russia Today had a field day trolling Cameron |
15:52.54 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: This song went viral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpQJ98rR4o |
15:52.57 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/vBWNb |
15:54.14 | Wormy_ | drom: Been there |
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16:00.29 | Hachiman | Hai |
16:09.38 | OluapPlayer | ~cuddle Hachiman |
16:09.38 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
16:14.43 | drom | Wormy_ Ghelae: http://i.imgur.com/xDqmr0l.jpg |
16:14.59 | drom | Oh god my right leg feel so numb |
16:19.08 | Hachiman | You can't feel it there |
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16:23.57 | drom | Wormy_away: |
16:24.18 | drom | Hachiman: Cause you cannot feel what I feel |
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16:26.38 | drom | Like, since when? |
16:28.32 | drom | ImpyDroid Tek0516: http://i.imgur.com/iOBueSw.gif |
16:41.49 | Wormy_away | Numb? Never had that after running. |
16:43.19 | Wormy_away | Someone told me that after a car accident that smashed his legs up, he had pain killers so strong his legs went numb. But they began to itch terribly, and no amount of scratching could be felt. |
16:43.42 | drom | I see. |
16:44.00 | Hachiman | I recall a phenomena where people with missing limbs still feel sensations as if they were actually there |
16:44.00 | drom | The numbness has faded away though |
16:44.03 | Wormy_away | I can't imagine such torture |
16:44.06 | Hachiman | They are called phantom pains |
16:44.13 | Wormy_away | Yes |
16:44.17 | drom | There is also phantom limbs |
16:44.55 | Wormy_away | There is also a phanton sight, where blind people refuse to believe they are blind. |
16:45.36 | OluapPlayer | Talk about stubborn |
16:46.06 | Wormy_away | There is also blindness where some signals actually do reach the brain, so they can unconsciously navigate the world and make choices a sighted person could, but not be conscious why. |
16:46.07 | drom | Your brain basically think you got a limb there, but doesn't exist. The interesting point about it is the fact the brain activity can be in some cases be abnormal, usually when told to move the "limb" |
16:51.12 | drom | Wormy_away ImpyDroid: I know ya have seen dis but it satisfies me http://imgur.com/gallery/wQr8nMf |
16:53.11 | Wormy_away | nice how he rushes out the car before it stops |
16:53.38 | Wormy_away | Speaking of which, despite being an atheist I have much respect for the Dalai Lama |
16:54.20 | drom | Aye. Dalai Lama and the Pope(s) are perhaps the two only religious figures I do like and have huge respect for. |
16:54.54 | Wormy_away | I find it awesome the Dalai Lama went to Glastonbury with the likes of Lemmy hur |
16:55.28 | drom | The way he socialized with the Prince during his visit in London hur |
16:56.35 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator?curid=191610&diff=682565&oldid=677801 y dis |
16:56.39 | drom | Also, I like how the Pope rides in a Ford civic car rather than the expensive limos and such |
16:56.47 | Technobliterator | I don't know why striped.gif ends up in Unused |
16:56.50 | drom | Technobliterator: Cause you deleted it twice |
16:56.55 | drom | TWICE |
16:57.01 | Technobliterator | but I'll just have to force the bot to not delete it...somehow |
16:57.11 | Wormy_away | The SJW media are angry because the Dalai Lama made a joke that a female successor must be attractive. He was of course referring to himself because of the Buddhist belief in reincarnation. |
16:57.14 | drom | Exclusion list |
16:57.25 | drom | Do your bot even have an exclusion list? |
16:58.14 | Technobliterator | Nope |
16:58.35 | Technobliterator | Basically, my bot creates a list of pages in a .txt file to delete |
16:58.38 | Technobliterator | Then deletes them all |
16:59.03 | Technobliterator | so all I have to do is look for striped.gif and get rid of that in the .txt file then it'll never delete it again |
16:59.06 | Technobliterator | ...hopefully... |
16:59.07 | drom | Unrelated, is the bot written by yourself? |
16:59.29 | Technobliterator | Partly, it's forked by me |
16:59.32 | Technobliterator | from pywikibot |
16:59.39 | drom | I'm not going to judge you, but I'm curious about how one can program a bot to work with Mediawiki |
16:59.41 | drom | I see |
16:59.42 | Wormy_away | The so-called postmodern experts in cultural narrative don't seem to be greatly tolerant or open minded towards other cultures. |
17:00.01 | Technobliterator | brb |
17:00.07 | drom | Wormy_away: Related. http://imgur.com/gallery/VIDqC |
17:00.08 | Wormy_away | They only see their own narrative |
17:00.27 | Wormy_away | Yes, I saw that earlier |
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17:00.59 | drom | I'd put all my votes on him |
17:01.43 | Wormy_away | I'm suspicious of any self-proclaimed authoritary of knowledge. Postmodernists attacking science of being a narrative without truth are thus charged with their own mindset, making it a very anti-rational philosophy. |
17:01.57 | OluapPlayer | ~throw Cyrannian |
17:01.57 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws Cyrannian over the moon. |
17:02.54 | drom | Knee pain grrrr |
17:12.53 | Wormy_away | http://imgur.com/gallery/9VTdF |
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17:21.59 | drom | Time to test if Wikia can give me feed of the recent 3 million edits |
17:26.27 | Wormy_away | ImpyDroid: Interesting, the DCP's use of feelie machines to numb aliens into consensus reality would be like a very advanced "Logocracy". The Soviet Union has been said to have logocratic principles |
17:26.35 | drom | Oh well, the limit is 5000 |
17:47.10 | Wormy_away | DCP government = Authoritarian Logo-Empathocracy |
17:48.29 | Wormy_away | I'm having fun looking at the unusual kinds of government and ideology, including some of the sci-fi ones on Orions Arm. |
17:54.06 | Wormy_away | Mantisorac - Pharmacratic Monarchy or maybe Uniocratic symbiosis. Not sure if you can compare social insects to political ideology, |
17:55.25 | Wormy_away | Milky Way Cooperative = Somewhere between Left and Right Libertarian anarchy |
17:57.00 | Wormy_away | Civilisation = Aicracy, possibly with militant meritocracy |
17:57.44 | Wormy_away | Actually, come to think of it, there is some minimal government in the Cooperative, AIs which step in if tools or knowledge is being abused |
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18:00.25 | OfficerJackal | fuc |
18:04.13 | Wormy_away | Ghelaway: When you return http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45f7690b9524f |
18:06.20 | Wormy_away | Also http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4664ae15226d4 |
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18:11.22 | Wormy_away | DI, I would guess has some elements of a Gerontocracy |
18:11.29 | Wormy_away | As does the DCP |
18:11.55 | Wormy_away | Power and age |
18:17.26 | OluapPlayer | spu |
18:18.50 | Xho | u |
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18:30.02 | Ghel | Wormy_away: The former of those is perhaps too extreme (given the impracticality of achieving it). |
18:31.31 | Wormy_away | Sorry, which were too extreme? |
18:31.43 | Wormy_away | Oh, the archanarchists? |
18:32.22 | Wormy_away | It sounds either impossible, or that laws of physics are infinitely onion skinned (so infinite regress) |
18:32.31 | Ghel | Yes. Although one could go even further: even the rules of logic should be ignored if they stand in the way of freedom! Just because something's an oxymoron doesn't mean somebody shouldn't be allowed to be it. |
18:33.09 | Wormy_away | indeed |
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18:35.02 | Wormy_away | As for the oxymoron, I too, can't see how they can escape, since the act of escaping, if possible, would operate under some deeper law |
18:35.35 | Wormy_away | Maybe a better philosophy would be one like Zen, to embrace the contradiction and unask it |
18:36.11 | Wormy_away | Which could involve liberating one'self from the need to escape, |
18:38.29 | Ghel | So... that's not trying to escape from logic in the first place. |
18:39.35 | Wormy_away | indeed |
18:39.54 | Ghel | So we agree that's the more sensible option. :P |
18:39.57 | Wormy_away | One could probably think of a better way of "unasking" |
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18:42.08 | Wormy_ | There is certainly some elements of escaping normal reality in my fiction. One of the Cooperative's goals is to transcend biological and perceptual and ideological dimensions |
18:42.40 | Wormy_ | I think that's more to do with the goals of the Insubstantials |
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18:44.54 | Wormy_ | Ghel: I wonder how easily we could make up some xenocracies which don't have much to do with anything we have today |
18:45.29 | Wormy_ | Browsing Xenology and Orion's Arm, they add extra dimensional axes for future ideologies |
18:46.18 | Ghel | I'm not sure. What axes are these? |
18:47.34 | Ghel | There are certainly many features you can use to describe an ideology - basically any stance on any issue, including issues that aren't important to humans - but that doesn't necessarily translate to an entirely new form of government unless it results in some alien way for the governing body to claim legitimacy. |
18:48.33 | Hachiman | Extradimensional axes |
18:48.34 | Wormy_ | Xenology has: Culture, Exchange, Economy, Freedom, Centralisation and Leadership. OA has the usual Political compass, with with technological conservatism and transcendence. It also has some interplanetary age axes regarding AI views of humans |
18:48.40 | Hachiman | Those sound badass |
18:49.22 | Wormy_ | http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45c7ef907eef1 http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/21.2.5.htm |
18:49.41 | Wormy_ | I can also think of two potential dimensions: Closed and Open societies |
18:49.58 | Ghel | I know I looked at Xenology for my guide to stuff, in which I included economy, freedom, centralisation and leadership. |
18:50.04 | Wormy_ | g2g dinner |
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18:51.06 | Ghel | The culture there is just a matter of size (so that I suppose is covered in the "classes of advancement" section. Exchange I didn't consider for some reason; I probably thought it didn't make much of a difference for the purposes of the guide. |
18:51.31 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12004094_10152990818607100_3975634381182213164_n.jpg?oh=aed4efefea2a0b8ca2b167d50ef8a158&oe=569A969E |
19:15.24 | Xho | Technobliterator Hachiman: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/djenty-thing/s-d4XHqa So I've started off something djent like |
19:18.10 | Wormy_ | back |
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19:24.50 | Hachiman | Hai Imp |
19:25.19 | Xho | ~smack Hachiman |
19:25.20 | infobot | ACTION smacks Hachiman upside the head. |
19:25.30 | Hachiman | Oh right, djent |
19:25.33 | Hachiman | Lemme check it out |
19:25.44 | Hachiman | Link doesn't work |
19:25.57 | Xho | https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/djenty-thing/s-d4XHq |
19:25.58 | Ghel | Wormy_: With archanarchism, it also comes down to the fact that unlike emergent laws (such as the laws enforced by a state), fundamental laws don't so much restrict but rather define what is possible, so "defying the laws of physics" in the sense of defying the laws of a nation is really just a case of not getting it. |
19:28.15 | Wormy_ | I agree |
19:28.49 | Hachiman | Pretty sweet, I gotta say |
19:30.48 | Ghel | Of course, the laws of physics do seem to be a limitation when you're writing fiction: any combination of words on a page or pixels on a screen is possible, but the more you want those words or pixels to represent reality, the fewer combinations you'll let yourself use. |
19:31.46 | Ghel | to resemble reality* |
19:34.13 | Wormy_ | Its been said that the laws of physics are not particularly restricting. Aside from speculative theories, it is assumed FTL-like travel is not possible. But its not impossible to travel through interstellar space very quickly for the traveller. |
19:35.09 | Wormy_ | So the experience of such a journey has reason for optimism |
19:39.13 | Ghel | I suppose the limitation there is being able to travel through interstellar space and completing your entire journey between a given event A at the place of your departure and an event B at your destination; you can in principle control the passage of time experienced en route however much you like. |
19:40.54 | Ghel | The impossibility of FTL and defying gravity, like conservation laws, *are* restrictions, that arise as direct consequences of the laws of physics. FTL and gravity are geometric, while conservation laws are the laws of physics remaining the same regardless of time, position, etc. |
19:41.14 | Ghel | that the laws of physics remain* |
19:42.30 | Hachiman | But things defy gravity all the time |
19:42.36 | Hachiman | Within the laws of physics of course |
19:43.04 | Ghel | I'm not counting wings and balloons as defying gravity here. :P |
19:44.08 | Ghel | Exerting a force to counteract gravitational acceleration isn't the same as ignoring gravity entirely. |
19:44.26 | Wormy_ | It seems nothing in the universe cannot "feel" gravity. Even negative mass objects will interactive with positive gravitational forces |
19:44.46 | Wormy_ | *interact |
19:44.50 | Hachiman | One could argue that helium balloons defy gravity without having to exert a counteracting force |
19:44.55 | Hachiman | Which is why they fly on their own |
19:45.22 | Wormy_ | Helium balloons are operating on emergent laws to achieve that, but still feel gravity |
19:45.31 | Ghel | They do. It's the interaction with the surrounding air that matters. |
19:46.07 | Ghel | The denser air pushes the helium balloon up (and equivalently, the helium balloon pushes the denser air down). |
19:46.15 | Hachiman | Huh |
19:48.18 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: maybe my visualisation would be useful, though this applies to wings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9HFX3SNWFk |
19:52.41 | Ghel | A sci-fi antigravity device could, perhaps, do the same thing to hover like a balloon. However, just like the force from the weight of a balloon is being pushed downwards, through the air and to the ground, so will the force from the weight of the antigravity device (and whatever it's carrying). So if there were a gigantic spaceship hovering about the ground using such a device, you wouldn't want to stand underneath it because it's weig |
19:54.20 | Wormy_ | Perhaps I could try and simulate a balloon. The whole reason I do it is actually because I want to see if the physics engine is powerful enough to create the same emergent patterns found in nature, without directly programming them |
19:54.33 | Wormy_ | Its fun, basically |
19:55.04 | Wormy_ | A more dramatic example being self organised criticality |
19:55.23 | Wormy_ | Perhaps its thye other way around, these emergent laws are universal enough to be simulated |
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19:55.59 | Wormy_ | My SOC vis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9drg3VXAHtM |
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19:57.13 | Wormy_ | Ghel: That's fascinating |
19:57.31 | Wormy_ | That means the Emperor's Palace ship only needs to hover over conquered capital cities |
19:57.52 | Wormy_ | I will still have it land however |
20:00.07 | Ghel | Most SporeWikiverse antigravity presumably works by some other mechanism, perhaps a bias drive? Although if it is possible to switch a spaceship to remote crushing mode, I'm sure the DCP would take full advantage of it. |
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20:01.03 | Wormy_ | Since the SporeWikiverse has the warp drive, I could assume there is a whole family of similar devices. |
20:01.12 | Xho | CHEESE DRIVE |
20:01.29 | Wormy_ | Although doesn't it require https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brans%E2%80%93Dicke_theory ?# |
20:02.22 | Wormy_ | Not that it matters, I decided to introduce the pitch drive mine |
20:03.19 | Ghel | Not just Brans-Dicke, but any theory in which there's a scalar field multiplying the gravitational curvature in the action. |
20:03.47 | Ghel | Add extra dimensions, for example (which we have), and you get the radion, which does the same thing. |
20:04.30 | Wormy_ | We do have a lot of speculativce physics in the SporeWikiverse. Though it is easy to pick and choose, the greater challenge is to make sure they can work together without contradictions that we can understand at least. |
20:05.02 | Ghel | The radion is essentially the volume of the extra dimensions, so a bias drive would work by increasing how large hyperspace is in different regions of a spaceship. |
20:05.07 | Wormy_ | That shouldn't be too hard then |
20:05.24 | Wormy_ | TARDIS technology! |
20:05.55 | Ghel | The larger the extra dimensions, the weaker gravity is in 3D space, i.e. the smaller the effective gravitational constant. |
20:07.59 | Wormy_ | Having extra dimensions also supports hyperspace, if we go with the idea of tachyons being FTL-like movement in other branes |
20:08.26 | Wormy_ | *supports the hyperdrive |
20:09.15 | Ghel | Yes; I don't think it's quite consistent with reality how we've done it, but it's not too terrible. |
20:12.30 | Roboticking45 | is there a page explaining hyperspace travel on the wiki? |
20:13.00 | Ghel | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Hyperspace |
20:13.48 | Ghel | It's far from perfect and, like so many things, probably outdated in its technical details, but it basically looks fine to me. |
20:14.15 | Roboticking45 | Ok, thank you Ghel |
20:16.52 | Wormy_ | The opening scene in this, is what I imagine its like within the Emperor's palace (it has an artificial landmass) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrrky5Jg9D0 |
20:17.42 | Roboticking45 | Since your having the debate abut hyperspace, what is the Emperor's palace? a fiction or a movie/novel concept? |
20:18.06 | drom | I'm considering doing some fiction long time back in time or further into the future. |
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20:18.42 | Wormy_ | Robot: The DCP has a mobile palace being its capital, and its nearly as big as Europe |
20:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
20:18.53 | drom | Hello |
20:19.24 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: It'd suck to get lost in that palace |
20:19.37 | Wormy_ | Robot: Look for the Gargantuan dreadnoughts hur http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/98/Emperors_Palace.png/revision/latest?cb=20150829184252 |
20:19.44 | Wormy_ | It would |
20:19.59 | Wormy_ | I didn't mean it to be that big, but its the estimation |
20:20.05 | DrodoEmpire | Right. XD |
20:20.09 | DrodoEmpire | Still quite impressive |
20:20.36 | Roboticking45 | i would have to agree |
20:20.53 | Roboticking45 | but what are the specifications in universe for a dreadnought class ship? |
20:21.13 | Xho | I don't think there is any |
20:21.16 | DrodoEmpire | One second |
20:21.19 | Wormy_ | The Gargantuans are 225 km roughly in length, so that makes that Palace ridiculously huge |
20:21.24 | Xho | Just as long as its within the bounds of reason I think |
20:21.42 | Roboticking45 | alright |
20:21.57 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Warfare - This page has broad guidelines on ships |
20:22.02 | Wormy_ | There are actually limits on how big such structures can get, due to gravitational stress |
20:22.08 | DrodoEmpire | Keep in mind they're just suggestions |
20:22.15 | Wormy_ | I don't knoe what the limits are |
20:22.38 | Xho | Unless you're a god-race hur |
20:22.46 | Roboticking45 | well it depends wormy |
20:23.05 | Roboticking45 | as somem structures wouldnt be able to enter the atmosphere |
20:23.06 | Roboticking45 | some* |
20:23.08 | Wormy_ | SporeWikiverse does that materials like monopolium and degenerate matter, which realistically aren't very good armours, but are good at withstanding a lot of internal stress |
20:23.31 | drom | One. Probably overdone, I consider doing a fiction that centers on an extragalactic, an escapee from the Annihilation, tires to force its way through minor powers and enslave them, only to then stumble across a might power that then neglects them from the galaxy they are trying to settle themselves on. |
20:23.39 | Wormy_ | Well, a giant megastructure probably has limits |
20:24.02 | Roboticking45 | that, along with the fact that the void of space has a reduced gravity until you get into gravity wells |
20:25.24 | Wormy_ | Thing is, a megastructure will have its own gravity |
20:26.02 | Roboticking45 | that is true |
20:26.20 | drom | Everythinng has its own gravity |
20:26.21 | Wormy_ | Big enough, it will want to settle into a sphere, or break down in places |
20:26.27 | drom | Technically saying |
20:26.27 | Roboticking45 | and the larger the structure, the more intense the gravity |
20:26.30 | Ghel | But then, we do use negative mass in the SporeWikiverse (it's actually essential for artificial gravity that isn't rotational and doesn't leak out the sides of the ship), so perhaps that could be used to lessen the overall mass. |
20:27.13 | Roboticking45 | have any nations in the fiction universe turn small dwarf planets and moons into ships? |
20:27.27 | drom | Not what I know |
20:27.39 | drom | Also, that would require lot of resources |
20:28.10 | drom | So it is a question if it is nescessary or sufficient |
20:28.20 | Ghel | The Emperor's Palace Ship had to be made out of something. |
20:28.33 | Roboticking45 | do you have a link to the ship? |
20:28.42 | Wormy_ | It's certainly possible, by lasting them aapart with superlasers and using namoswarms to consume the wreckage. But given replicator technology, it probably isn't very common. |
20:28.47 | Wormy_ | *blasting |
20:28.51 | Ghel | Not to mention http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation |
20:29.42 | Wormy_ | I assume the Palace ship was created before hypermatter powered quantum replicators |
20:30.09 | Wormy_ | So it probably was built from deconstructed worldlets |
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20:30.53 | Ghel | The Palace Ship can be found http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Fleet#Starship_classification under "Individual ships of note". |
20:31.18 | Wormy_ | And yes, it probably has to use negative mass, monopolium and degenerate matter bulkheads |
20:31.27 | Wormy_ | to keep its structure |
20:31.52 | Ghel | "Significant events: Crushing empires" |
20:34.44 | Wormy_ | lol |
20:34.44 | Wormy_ | It will have a special role to play at the end of Attero Dominatus |
20:34.44 | Wormy_ | It nearly got destroyed actually, dueling the Dominatus's supervessel |
20:34.44 | Ghel | I assume it is going to land on Demogorgon Prime and crush the Tyranny's capital. |
20:34.46 | Wormy_ | Palace ship in action http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#Battle_of_the_Deathstorm |
20:35.06 | Wormy_ | It will yes, but not before the Emperor has words with a Dominatus commander |
20:36.15 | Roboticking45 | so it fights by landing on its enemies |
20:36.17 | TekDroid | We still haven't finished AD? O.o |
20:36.41 | TekDroid | It was already going when I joined the wiki |
20:37.00 | OluapPlayer | Can't finish it when GD is gone |
20:37.01 | Ghel | Blame GD12 and his excessively large breakfasts. |
20:37.07 | TekDroid | Indeed |
20:37.17 | Xho | "Hardly. Planet Busters bounce harmlessly off even the most primitive planetary shielding. Terminus is capable of bypassing shielding even on the level of Orbispira. And that's on 50% capacity." |
20:37.25 | Xho | 100% power breaks through the fourth wall and then some |
20:37.40 | TekDroid | O.o |
20:38.14 | Ghel | 100% power summons Santorakh to turn the planet into cheese. |
20:38.31 | Roboticking45 | xho were did you get the quote |
20:38.34 | Roboticking45 | ? |
20:38.45 | Xho | The page Ghel linked |
20:39.01 | Ghel | The "Armament" section, specifically. |
20:39.08 | Roboticking45 | ah |
20:40.40 | Ghel | Malogenesis, capital of the Tyranny, is about one-third the size of Europe. So the Palace Ship could even crush that in one go. |
20:42.02 | Xho | I was gonna say that Emperor Wormulus was compensating for something |
20:42.15 | Xho | Though I don't know what a Grimbolsaurian emperor can compensate for |
20:42.29 | OluapPlayer | His tiny body in comparison to his legs |
20:42.52 | Wormy_ | lol |
20:43.15 | Xho | Grimbolsaurians: gangly disproporionate body -> one of the strongest races in the Gigaquadrant |
20:43.18 | Xho | Only Sporewiki |
20:43.21 | Wormy_ | He needs a big sexy ship |
20:43.52 | Wormy_ | Not very attractivem are Grimbies |
20:45.09 | Xho | They're insectoid |
20:45.14 | Xho | Therefore they're terrifying |
20:46.12 | Wormy_ | I've always imagine them as more reptillian, with insectoid sticky out bits |
20:46.28 | Wormy_ | Skin as rough as a crocodile's |
20:46.47 | OluapPlayer | Huh |
20:46.54 | OluapPlayer | I always imagined the Grimbies as being soft and furry |
20:47.04 | Xho | wat |
20:47.23 | Xho | Yeah I imagined them a bit scaly |
20:47.23 | Wormy_ | Interesting, I wonder how you thought that |
20:47.37 | OluapPlayer | Their colouration makes them look like they have fur to me |
20:47.47 | Xho | Green furry insects |
20:47.54 | Xho | Fuck that's acid trip like |
20:48.07 | Ghel | I always thought they were reptilian insectoids, like the Loron. |
20:48.09 | Wormy_ | Some insects have velvetty/fluffy texture I guess |
20:48.16 | Ghel | So now I'm imagining fluffy Loron. |
20:48.24 | OluapPlayer | You have furry insects like bees |
20:48.29 | OluapPlayer | And moths |
20:48.43 | Wormy_ | Actually some of my older models had hair |
20:49.01 | Wormy_ | from the outfitter |
20:49.12 | Wormy_ | So its not impossible that they have hair as well |
20:49.33 | Wormy_ | They are now 100% uglier |
20:50.00 | Xho | And bees and moths are the spawns of Satan |
20:50.04 | drom | Xho: Green furry insect dinosaurs |
20:50.06 | Xho | Along with every other insect |
20:50.24 | Xho | ngh |
20:50.33 | Xho | I can envision the Grimbolsaurians being a bit scorpion-like |
20:52.48 | Wormy_ | Xho: Grimbol wildlife http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Weird_spawn_3_b.png |
20:53.02 | Xho | "make it stop" |
20:53.15 | Ghel | Now you say they're related to Grimbolsaurians, it all makes sense. |
20:54.23 | Ghel | And http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cythys_Imperimund.png does look furry. |
20:54.51 | Wormy_ | Perhaps I am fated to have such creatures being created or evolved |
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20:55.18 | Xho | Hachiman: "Having waifu = ruins laifu" |
20:55.33 | Hachiman | Old joke dat |
20:55.59 | Xho | Well stuff me up a dead bull's bum |
20:57.00 | drom_ | ~boot Xho |
20:57.01 | infobot | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across Xho to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts Xho out to where he belongs! |
20:57.47 | Xho | https://www.facebook.com/BallerAlertcom/videos/1134186929943636/?permPage=1 Kicath |
21:02.37 | Roboticking45 | i must go farewell |
21:08.20 | Xho | http://mrambisinistrous.deviantart.com/art/The-Two-Centres-of-the-Universe-562088081 I did a thing |
21:09.07 | drom_ | It is all rainbows, fun and games until there is only one left to enjoy it all! |
21:10.37 | drom_ | Wormy_: Is it normal that the species game has a terribly slow upload rate? |
21:11.04 | drom_ | Cause it is 84 MB, and it takes me 1.5 hours to download it. Usually it takes me 10 seconds |
21:11.20 | Xho | Jesus |
21:11.24 | Wormy_ | No, it took me a minute or two to download, and a minute to extract |
21:11.29 | Wormy_ | It was really fast |
21:11.32 | Wormy_ | for me |
21:12.27 | drom_ | It is like I got into some crapsack connection |
21:12.27 | Wormy_ | drom_ Currently watching Vinesauce play it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEweZKEt3Js |
21:12.41 | Wormy_ | Probably better off not watching it now then lol |
21:12.55 | Wormy_ | My internet is actually getting worse again |
21:19.18 | TekDroid | ~tes |
21:19.24 | TekDroid | ~test |
21:19.24 | infobot | rumour has it, test is not funny |
21:22.50 | Wormy_ | TekDroid, Ghel, drom_, Xho, OluapPlayer: https://youtu.be/wEweZKEt3Js?t=24m2s |
21:22.53 | drom_ | Wormy_: This fucking face, this fucking face. http://i.imgur.com/5J8kbI4.png |
21:22.57 | drom_ | I'm sooo done |
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21:24.32 | Wormy_ | Looks like its high |
21:24.53 | OluapPlayer | Wormy_: olol those tiny legs |
21:25.05 | OluapPlayer | The head also looks like a hammerhead shark |
21:25.16 | OluapPlayer | So a hammerhead which twinkletoes around the landscape |
21:25.36 | Xho | Fucked up crab people |
21:25.51 | Wormy_ | And that dinosaur creature |
21:26.08 | Xho | It's like someone put all the awful creations of Spore into one game |
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21:26.35 | Xho | Triceratops Crab |
21:26.44 | Wormy_ | And they all evolve from dick shaped creatures |
21:27.20 | Roboticking45 | ...lovely |
21:28.07 | Wormy_ | Ghel, Xho: "So after a mutation rate of 19, all creatures become non-eclidean abomninations after one generation. Are you sure?" |
21:28.28 | Ghel | That sounds like the perfect mutation rate to me. |
21:28.30 | Wormy_ | non-euclidean, |
21:28.37 | Wormy_ | I have to try this noiw |
21:31.18 | Wormy_ | 22 - "an entire population of missingno" |
21:31.22 | drom_ | Wormy_: It is also worth to mention that one of the creatures in Vincesauce's playthrough relies on its' gigantic buttocks as a mean of locomotivation |
21:31.50 | Wormy_ | lol |
21:34.12 | drom_ | Despite that, it is surprisingly fast |
21:34.24 | Wormy_ | Well |
21:34.40 | Wormy_ | Non-Euclid has levitating creatures already |
21:36.33 | drom_ | There is tons of them as well |
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21:41.59 | Wormy_ | SporeWiki doesn't even want to upload this horror |
21:43.59 | Wormy_ | Yep it broke the wiki |
21:44.11 | Wormy_ | sorry about that |
21:44.26 | Wormy_ | drom_ http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nopesaur.png |
21:45.11 | drom_ | Wormy_: Partical for checking out hot singles |
21:45.27 | Ghel | New SporeWiki fiction idea: a planet where the native life is engineered with that kind of mutation rate. |
21:45.42 | Ghel | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
21:45.53 | drom_ | I think the Nomatarids would totally do that |
21:46.13 | Wormy_ | Expect major changes per generation |
21:47.07 | Xho | Drom_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nomatari_Sovereignty/Ogrumkni I approve of this page btw |
21:48.45 | drom_ | Thanks! ^u^ |
21:48.55 | Wormy_ | I've now creature detail to over500 |
21:49.05 | Wormy_ | so god knows what will happen |
21:50.33 | Xho | So how did you make that typeface btw |
21:50.37 | drom_ | Xho: Just incase you find something that you have an issue or a concern about, or simply something you cannot resist to point out, feel free to tell me! |
21:50.39 | Xho | Dreamweaver? |
21:50.44 | Xho | rite |
21:50.45 | drom_ | Dreamweaver? |
21:50.50 | drom_ | Fuck that piece of garbage |
21:50.53 | Xho | hoh |
21:51.00 | Xho | Adobe programs are clunky as fuck |
21:51.14 | Wormy_ | I really have a hatred of Photoshop |
21:51.30 | Xho | It really isn't a sharp learning curve with Adobe programs |
21:51.43 | Xho | It's a sharp "MAKE THIS FUCKING THING WORK" curve |
21:52.35 | drom_ | Anyway, I used a program called "High-Logic Fontcreator". But though in reality, all the letters were done in GIMP, I then exported the each individual letters into the program and assigned them to specific character. |
21:52.50 | drom_ | From there, I exported |
21:52.50 | Xho | They look like vectors |
21:53.07 | drom_ | That's the magic of tff |
21:53.16 | drom_ | Any font basically |
21:53.21 | Xho | Ah |
21:53.32 | drom_ | woff, otf ... you name it |
21:54.01 | Xho | Truetype fonts right |
21:54.24 | drom_ | Though, the High-Logic Fontcreator wasn't free, neither wasn't it cheap. So I drew the dirty straw: pirate it |
21:54.39 | Xho | looks at the prices |
21:54.55 | Xho | Well that is not cheap |
21:55.17 | drom_ | Unfortunately |
21:55.32 | drom_ | There are cheaper, and preferably free, alternatives though |
21:55.55 | drom_ | FontForge for instance, but it cannot import images |
21:56.29 | Xho | Does that get as liberal as Fontcreator though |
21:56.41 | drom_ | And it is basically a Adobe-like product, just because of the learning curve is exactly the same as the average Abode product's curve as you descibed |
21:57.02 | drom_ | Hm. I don't know much, but it got few tools to get started with |
21:57.12 | drom_ | I believe... |
21:57.27 | Xho | I was thinking of doing Mahanayan and possibly Acheron with a font |
21:57.34 | Xho | Kicathian would be impossible |
21:57.47 | Roboticking45_ | I was also thinking of creating a alphabet for my fictions |
21:57.57 | Roboticking45_ | why would it be impossible xho? |
21:58.13 | drom_ | Nothing is impossible, Xho |
21:58.21 | drom_ | You can make them huge as you want them to be |
21:58.39 | drom_ | Wide, fat, slim or tall |
21:58.41 | drom_ | You name it |
21:58.50 | Xho | I mean trying to get all the individual glyphs to work on one keyboard |
21:58.55 | drom_ | But the issue is, which tool does that? |
21:59.10 | drom_ | How many glyphs? |
21:59.42 | Roboticking45_ | II must go farwell |
21:59.54 | Xho | 557 collectively |
22:00.18 | Xho | Though I'm not deducing the number of common glyphs |
22:00.40 | drom_ | Hm |
22:00.42 | Xho | Let's just say it's at least 344 |
22:01.24 | drom_ | ~16^4 |
22:01.24 | infobot | 20 |
22:01.26 | Xho | Kicathian short script is fortunate in the case that all familiar sounds appear similar as a glyph |
22:01.32 | drom_ | Stupid infobot |
22:01.36 | Xho | ~16*16*16*16 |
22:01.36 | infobot | 65536 |
22:01.49 | Xho | Big number |
22:01.53 | drom_ | Anyway, in theory, you'll be able to fit them all |
22:01.58 | Xho | Right |
22:02.09 | Xho | I might just stick to Milky Way Kicathian then |
22:02.15 | Xho | I usually use that anyway |
22:02.21 | Tek0516 | 2^16 |
22:02.25 | Tek0516 | ~2^16 |
22:02.26 | infobot | rumour has it, 2^16 is 65536 :-)) |
22:02.32 | Xho | mwaha |
22:02.37 | drom_ | The issue is though, will you or your stamina last enough to finish it? Can you easily assemble the glyphs? |
22:02.46 | Xho | Well no |
22:02.59 | Xho | That's why I said Kicathian would be borderline impossible to do |
22:03.17 | Xho | Mahanayan is much easier |
22:03.37 | Tek0516 | I feel like the only way to pull it off would be generated by computer |
22:03.38 | drom_ | I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be impossible. |
22:04.06 | Xho | The impossibility would be my lack of enthusiasm |
22:04.21 | Xho | Mahanayan has 78 individual glyphs so that's much easier to handle |
22:04.30 | drom_ | Anyway, the characters have unqiue "unicodes" which is a 4-digit 16-base number |
22:04.39 | drom_ | Hence the big number |
22:05.33 | Xho | Acheron has 39 glyphs which is even more simple |
22:07.55 | Xho | Is it me or is Armenian the most occult looking alphabet ever |
22:08.21 | Xho | It looks suitable for something like the Necronomicon |
22:09.14 | drom_ | There is more |
22:10.40 | drom_ | looks down on Hebrew, Mandrin, Cyrillic, Aztec and Indian |
22:10.58 | drom_ | Mandarin even |
22:11.51 | Xho | I'm not actually sure what Nahuatl looks like written down |
22:12.02 | Xho | I mean the native alphabet for it |
22:12.49 | Xho | Oh right pictographs |
22:12.53 | Xho | Makes sense |
22:17.45 | drom_ | Good luck anyway, Xho |
22:19.07 | Xho | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddha%E1%B9%83_script I can imagine Mahanayan looking a bit like this |
22:19.16 | Xho | Funnily enough a Buddhist script |
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22:43.41 | Tek0516 | O.o I cranked Species' mutation rate as high as possible just to see what happens |
22:46.00 | DrodoEmpire | uh oh |
22:47.23 | Tek0516 | I think the species display doesn't keep up and I think everything is dying off from genetic incompatibility except one small branch that whithers away |
22:48.16 | DrodoEmpire | Ouch... |
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22:51.43 | Tek0516 | Yeah, I don't think the main species is even the same species. XD |
22:52.07 | Wormy_ | hi |
22:52.53 | Tek0516 | I cranked Species' mutation rate to 200.:P |
23:29.25 | Wormy_ | lol |
23:29.45 | Wormy_ | What non-euclidean horrors emerged? |
23:50.15 | Wormy_ | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20140625.html.gz |
23:50.26 | Wormy_ | Once again I found an IRC log browsing the internet |
23:51.02 | Wormy_ | Of course it could be Google stacking results based on visits ans so on. |
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23:52.13 | Roboticking45 | Hello |