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00:14.57Roboticking45helo
00:15.05Roboticking45hello
00:15.06The_RandomnessHello
00:16.06Roboticking45anything interesting going on, or just a moment of silence whilst people go about their online lives?
00:17.28The_RandomnessI'm just working on some homework
00:17.28DrodoEmpireNothing right now I guess
00:18.19Roboticking45same randomness
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00:25.44NoblaSourEmpirehello
00:35.17DrodoEmpireHi
00:46.21NoblaSourEmpirewhats up
00:47.50DrodoEmpireNot much
00:48.20NoblaSourEmpireI just got a cool refrench
00:48.30NoblaSourEmpire*refence XD
00:48.30NoblaSourEmpire*refrence!
00:48.30NoblaSourEmpireUGH!
00:48.33DrodoEmpire"refrench"?
00:48.34DrodoEmpireAhh
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00:54.27NoblaSourEmpireback XD
00:54.36NoblaSourEmpireplease excuse my terrible Spelling
00:54.53NoblaSourEmpireanyway
00:55.13NoblaSourEmpirei just got a reference from something
00:55.51DrodoEmpireHm?
00:57.15NoblaSourEmpireThe Bust of Yaman
00:58.09NoblaSourEmpireis a reference to a HUGE Accient Mesopotamian Monster from Assyrian Babylonian Sumerian And Akkdanian Mythology
00:58.56NoblaSourEmpireThats why they say the monster was from "the fertile Plains" its talking about the Nineveh plains or "The Fertile Cresent"
01:02.22DrodoEmpireI see.
01:02.29DrodoEmpireNever actually knew that.
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01:14.39Roboticking45hello?
01:14.47DrodoEmpireYes?
01:24.58Roboticking45Just seeing if anyone is active
01:25.49OfficerJackalI'm active, just not much going on.
01:29.14Roboticking45tht is true, it is 9:29 am here on the east coast
01:29.49Roboticking45PM*
01:30.38DrodoEmpire10:30 here in Nova Scotia.
01:30.41OfficerJackalHah, yep, same time over here. On the east coast as well... Well, not really, but I am in the same time-zone.
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07:00.59ImpyDroidHi
07:01.12Liquid_InkHello!
07:01.15Liquid_InkHow are you?
07:01.22ImpyDroidI'm okay
07:01.37ImpyDroidGot a Watchmen book from a friend
07:04.12ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/one-of-europes-biggest-mosques-to-open-in-moscow/534609.html Vodkbar
07:05.36Liquid_InkAnd how are the Russians coping?
07:05.47ImpyDroidWe do not give a fuck
07:05.58ImpyDroidThat mosque was up for a century or so
07:06.07ImpyDroidIt was just expanded
07:08.41ImpyDroidSame in Saint-Petersburg, we have mosques here too and we just kinda live with it
07:08.47ImpyDroidAnd Catholic churches
07:08.54ImpyDroidAnd Protestant churches
07:08.59ImpyDroidAnd Buddhist temples
07:10.34ImpyDroidhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/The_Buddhistic_Temple_in_St._Petersburg.jpg/800px-The_Buddhistic_Temple_in_St._Petersburg.jpg We breed Sub-Zero Buddhist monks there
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10:06.15JepardiHi
10:44.35Liquid_InkHello
10:45.02Liquid_InkOnly 38 minutes late.
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12:00.29GhelaeHello.
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12:05.51GhelaeHello.
12:07.15OluapPlayerHi
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12:12.45CyrannianHi
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13:58.09ArdokuHey. what's up?
13:58.42ArdokuAnything special been happening on the wiki lately?
14:03.11GhelaeHello. There's nothing much happening right now; you're the first person to say anything except for "hello" or "hi" in two hours.
14:04.08GhelaeAs for more generally on the wiki... I can't think of anything major right now.
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14:18.15ArdokuWell that's a bit disappointing...
14:23.25ImperiosWormy_: What's that about Cameron and pigs?
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14:26.31dromFile:Striped.gif got deleted again, undelete it!
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14:30.00dromThanks OluapPlayer
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14:34.54OluapPlayerGood lord my internet slowed down to a crawl
14:35.01OluapPlayerI can barely load any wiki pages
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15:15.57dromWormy_ Techno: http://i.imgur.com/0vx79Ps.jpg
15:23.12dromImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/i6CwfOd.jpg
15:25.17Wormy_youth today
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15:47.30dromWormy_: Anyway, I went out for a run today
15:48.34ImpyDroidWormy_: What is that with Cameron and pigs?
15:48.40dromSame 6 miler as two weeks ago, except I managed to pull it all off at once without a single stop (excluding those boring ped crossings on busy roads)
15:49.00OluapPlayerCameron had to put his dick in a dead pig's mouth in his college days
15:49.13ImpyDroidOh
15:49.14ImpyDroidOH
15:51.05Wormy_ImpyDroid:  He also took coke and weed
15:51.25Wormy_Its only the upper class who's debauchery reaches levels of necrophilia
15:52.16Wormy_ImpyDroid:  I've read the Russian Embassy and Russia Today had a field day trolling Cameron
15:52.54Wormy_ImpyDroid:  This song went viral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpQJ98rR4o
15:52.57dromWormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/vBWNb
15:54.14Wormy_drom:  Been there
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16:00.29HachimanHai
16:09.38OluapPlayer~cuddle Hachiman
16:09.38infobotACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy
16:14.43dromWormy_ Ghelae: http://i.imgur.com/xDqmr0l.jpg
16:14.59dromOh god my right leg feel so numb
16:19.08HachimanYou can't feel it there
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16:23.57dromWormy_away:
16:24.18dromHachiman: Cause you cannot feel what I feel
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16:26.38dromLike, since when?
16:28.32dromImpyDroid Tek0516: http://i.imgur.com/iOBueSw.gif
16:41.49Wormy_awayNumb?  Never had that after running.
16:43.19Wormy_awaySomeone told me that after a car accident that smashed his legs up, he had pain killers so strong his legs went numb.  But they began to itch terribly, and no amount of scratching could be felt.
16:43.42dromI see.
16:44.00HachimanI recall a phenomena where people with missing limbs still feel sensations as if they were actually there
16:44.00dromThe numbness has faded away though
16:44.03Wormy_awayI can't imagine such torture
16:44.06HachimanThey are called phantom pains
16:44.13Wormy_awayYes
16:44.17dromThere is also phantom limbs
16:44.55Wormy_awayThere is also a phanton sight, where blind people refuse to believe they are blind.
16:45.36OluapPlayerTalk about stubborn
16:46.06Wormy_awayThere is also blindness where some signals actually do reach the brain, so they can unconsciously navigate the world and make choices a sighted person could, but not be conscious why.
16:46.07dromYour brain basically think you got a limb there, but doesn't exist. The interesting point about it is the fact the brain activity can be in some cases be abnormal, usually when told to move the "limb"
16:51.12dromWormy_away ImpyDroid: I know ya have seen dis but it satisfies me http://imgur.com/gallery/wQr8nMf
16:53.11Wormy_awaynice how he rushes out the car before it stops
16:53.38Wormy_awaySpeaking of which, despite being an atheist I have much respect for the Dalai Lama
16:54.20dromAye. Dalai Lama and the Pope(s) are perhaps the two only religious figures I do like and have huge respect for.
16:54.54Wormy_awayI find it awesome the Dalai Lama went to Glastonbury with the likes of Lemmy hur
16:55.28dromThe way he socialized with the Prince during his visit in London hur
16:56.35Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator?curid=191610&diff=682565&oldid=677801 y dis
16:56.39dromAlso, I like how the Pope rides in a Ford civic car rather than the expensive limos and such
16:56.47TechnobliteratorI don't know why striped.gif ends up in Unused
16:56.50dromTechnobliterator: Cause you deleted it twice
16:56.55dromTWICE
16:57.01Technobliteratorbut I'll just have to force the bot to not delete it...somehow
16:57.11Wormy_awayThe SJW media are angry because the Dalai Lama made a joke that a female successor must be attractive.  He was of course referring to himself because of the Buddhist belief in reincarnation.
16:57.14dromExclusion list
16:57.25dromDo your bot even have an exclusion list?
16:58.14TechnobliteratorNope
16:58.35TechnobliteratorBasically, my bot creates a list of pages in a .txt file to delete
16:58.38TechnobliteratorThen deletes them all
16:59.03Technobliteratorso all I have to do is look for striped.gif and get rid of that in the .txt file then it'll never delete it again
16:59.06Technobliterator...hopefully...
16:59.07dromUnrelated, is the bot written by yourself?
16:59.29TechnobliteratorPartly, it's forked by me
16:59.32Technobliteratorfrom pywikibot
16:59.39dromI'm not going to judge you, but I'm curious about how one can program a bot to work with Mediawiki
16:59.41dromI see
16:59.42Wormy_awayThe so-called postmodern experts in cultural narrative don't seem to be greatly tolerant or open minded towards other cultures.
17:00.01Technobliteratorbrb
17:00.07dromWormy_away: Related. http://imgur.com/gallery/VIDqC
17:00.08Wormy_awayThey only see their own narrative
17:00.27Wormy_awayYes, I saw that earlier
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17:00.59dromI'd put all my votes on him
17:01.43Wormy_awayI'm suspicious of any self-proclaimed authoritary of knowledge.  Postmodernists attacking science of being a narrative without truth are thus charged with their own mindset, making it a very anti-rational philosophy.
17:01.57OluapPlayer~throw Cyrannian
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17:02.54dromKnee pain grrrr
17:12.53Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/9VTdF
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17:21.59dromTime to test if Wikia can give me feed of the recent 3 million edits
17:26.27Wormy_awayImpyDroid:  Interesting, the DCP's use of feelie machines to numb aliens into consensus reality would be like a very advanced "Logocracy".  The Soviet Union has been said to have logocratic principles
17:26.35dromOh well, the limit is 5000
17:47.10Wormy_awayDCP government = Authoritarian Logo-Empathocracy
17:48.29Wormy_awayI'm having fun looking at the unusual kinds of government and ideology, including some of the sci-fi ones on Orions Arm.
17:54.06Wormy_awayMantisorac - Pharmacratic Monarchy or maybe Uniocratic symbiosis.  Not sure if you can compare social insects to political ideology,
17:55.25Wormy_awayMilky Way Cooperative = Somewhere between Left and Right Libertarian anarchy
17:57.00Wormy_awayCivilisation = Aicracy, possibly with militant meritocracy
17:57.44Wormy_awayActually, come to think of it, there is some minimal government in the Cooperative, AIs which step in if tools or knowledge is being abused
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18:04.13Wormy_awayGhelaway:  When you return http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45f7690b9524f
18:06.20Wormy_awayAlso http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4664ae15226d4
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18:11.22Wormy_awayDI, I would guess has some elements of a Gerontocracy
18:11.29Wormy_awayAs does the DCP
18:11.55Wormy_awayPower and age
18:17.26OluapPlayerspu
18:18.50Xhou
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18:30.02GhelWormy_away: The former of those is perhaps too extreme (given the impracticality of achieving it).
18:31.31Wormy_awaySorry, which were too extreme?
18:31.43Wormy_awayOh, the archanarchists?
18:32.22Wormy_awayIt sounds either impossible, or that laws of physics are infinitely onion skinned (so infinite regress)
18:32.31GhelYes. Although one could go even further: even the rules of logic should be ignored if they stand in the way of freedom! Just because something's an oxymoron doesn't mean somebody shouldn't be allowed to be it.
18:33.09Wormy_awayindeed
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18:35.02Wormy_awayAs for the oxymoron, I too, can't see how they can escape, since the act of escaping, if possible, would operate under some deeper law
18:35.35Wormy_awayMaybe a better philosophy would be one like Zen, to embrace the contradiction and unask it
18:36.11Wormy_awayWhich could involve liberating one'self from the need to escape,
18:38.29GhelSo... that's not trying to escape from logic in the first place.
18:39.35Wormy_awayindeed
18:39.54GhelSo we agree that's the more sensible option. :P
18:39.57Wormy_awayOne could probably think of a better way of "unasking"
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18:42.08Wormy_There is certainly some elements of escaping normal reality in my fiction.  One of the Cooperative's goals is to transcend biological and perceptual and ideological dimensions
18:42.40Wormy_I think that's more to do with the goals of the Insubstantials
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18:44.54Wormy_Ghel:  I wonder how easily we could make up some xenocracies which don't have much to do with anything we have today
18:45.29Wormy_Browsing Xenology and Orion's Arm, they add extra dimensional axes for future ideologies
18:46.18GhelI'm not sure. What axes are these?
18:47.34GhelThere are certainly many features you can use to describe an ideology - basically any stance on any issue, including issues that aren't important to humans - but that doesn't necessarily translate to an entirely new form of government unless it results in some alien way for the governing body to claim legitimacy.
18:48.33HachimanExtradimensional axes
18:48.34Wormy_Xenology has:  Culture, Exchange, Economy, Freedom, Centralisation and Leadership.  OA has the usual Political compass, with with technological conservatism and transcendence.  It also has some interplanetary age axes regarding AI views of humans
18:48.40HachimanThose sound badass
18:49.22Wormy_http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45c7ef907eef1  http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/21.2.5.htm
18:49.41Wormy_I can also think of two potential dimensions:  Closed and Open societies
18:49.58GhelI know I looked at Xenology for my guide to stuff, in which I included economy, freedom, centralisation and leadership.
18:50.04Wormy_g2g dinner
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18:51.06GhelThe culture there is just a matter of size (so that I suppose is covered in the "classes of advancement" section. Exchange I didn't consider for some reason; I probably thought it didn't make much of a difference for the purposes of the guide.
18:51.31Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12004094_10152990818607100_3975634381182213164_n.jpg?oh=aed4efefea2a0b8ca2b167d50ef8a158&oe=569A969E
19:15.24XhoTechnobliterator Hachiman: https://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/djenty-thing/s-d4XHqa So I've started off something djent like
19:18.10Wormy_back
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19:24.50HachimanHai Imp
19:25.19Xho~smack Hachiman
19:25.20infobotACTION smacks Hachiman upside the head.
19:25.30HachimanOh right, djent
19:25.33HachimanLemme check it out
19:25.44HachimanLink doesn't work
19:25.57Xhohttps://soundcloud.com/turkeychickensandwich/djenty-thing/s-d4XHq
19:25.58GhelWormy_: With archanarchism, it also comes down to the fact that unlike emergent laws (such as the laws enforced by a state), fundamental laws don't so much restrict but rather define what is possible, so "defying the laws of physics" in the sense of defying the laws of a nation is really just a case of not getting it.
19:28.15Wormy_I agree
19:28.49HachimanPretty sweet, I gotta say
19:30.48GhelOf course, the laws of physics do seem to be a limitation when you're writing fiction: any combination of words on a page or pixels on a screen is possible, but the more you want those words or pixels to represent reality, the fewer combinations you'll let yourself use.
19:31.46Ghelto resemble reality*
19:34.13Wormy_Its been said that the laws of physics are not particularly restricting.  Aside from speculative theories, it is assumed FTL-like travel is not possible.  But its not impossible to travel through interstellar space very quickly for the traveller.
19:35.09Wormy_So the experience of such a journey has reason for optimism
19:39.13GhelI suppose the limitation there is being able to travel through interstellar space and completing your entire journey between a given event A at the place of your departure and an event B at your destination; you can in principle control the passage of time experienced en route however much you like.
19:40.54GhelThe impossibility of FTL and defying gravity, like conservation laws, *are* restrictions, that arise as direct consequences of the laws of physics. FTL and gravity are geometric, while conservation laws are the laws of physics remaining the same regardless of time, position, etc.
19:41.14Ghelthat the laws of physics remain*
19:42.30HachimanBut things defy gravity all the time
19:42.36HachimanWithin the laws of physics of course
19:43.04GhelI'm not counting wings and balloons as defying gravity here. :P
19:44.08GhelExerting a force to counteract gravitational acceleration isn't the same as ignoring gravity entirely.
19:44.26Wormy_It seems nothing in the universe cannot "feel" gravity.  Even negative mass objects will interactive with positive gravitational forces
19:44.46Wormy_*interact
19:44.50HachimanOne could argue that helium balloons defy gravity without having to exert a counteracting force
19:44.55HachimanWhich is why they fly on their own
19:45.22Wormy_Helium balloons are operating on emergent laws to achieve that, but still feel gravity
19:45.31GhelThey do. It's the interaction with the surrounding air that matters.
19:46.07GhelThe denser air pushes the helium balloon up (and equivalently, the helium balloon pushes the denser air down).
19:46.15HachimanHuh
19:48.18Wormy_Hachiman: maybe my visualisation would be useful, though this applies to wings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9HFX3SNWFk
19:52.41GhelA sci-fi antigravity device could, perhaps, do the same thing to hover like a balloon. However, just like the force from the weight of a balloon is being pushed downwards, through the air and to the ground, so will the force from the weight of the antigravity device (and whatever it's carrying). So if there were a gigantic spaceship hovering about the ground using such a device, you wouldn't want to stand underneath it because it's weig
19:54.20Wormy_Perhaps I could try and simulate a balloon.  The whole reason I do it is actually because I want to see if the physics engine is powerful enough to create the same emergent patterns found in nature, without directly programming them
19:54.33Wormy_Its fun, basically
19:55.04Wormy_A more dramatic example being self organised criticality
19:55.23Wormy_Perhaps its thye other way around, these emergent laws are universal enough to be simulated
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19:55.59Wormy_My SOC vis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9drg3VXAHtM
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19:57.13Wormy_Ghel:  That's fascinating
19:57.31Wormy_That means the Emperor's Palace ship only needs to hover over conquered capital cities
19:57.52Wormy_I will still have it land however
20:00.07GhelMost SporeWikiverse antigravity presumably works by some other mechanism, perhaps a bias drive? Although if it is possible to switch a spaceship to remote crushing mode, I'm sure the DCP would take full advantage of it.
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20:01.03Wormy_Since the SporeWikiverse has the warp drive, I could assume there is a whole family of similar devices.
20:01.12XhoCHEESE DRIVE
20:01.29Wormy_Although doesn't it require https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brans%E2%80%93Dicke_theory ?#
20:02.22Wormy_Not that it matters, I decided to introduce the pitch drive mine
20:03.19GhelNot just Brans-Dicke, but any theory in which there's a scalar field multiplying the gravitational curvature in the action.
20:03.47GhelAdd extra dimensions, for example (which we have), and you get the radion, which does the same thing.
20:04.30Wormy_We do have a lot of speculativce physics in the SporeWikiverse.  Though it is easy to pick and choose, the greater challenge is to make sure they can work together without contradictions that we can understand at least.
20:05.02GhelThe radion is essentially the volume of the extra dimensions, so a bias drive would work by increasing how large hyperspace is in different regions of a spaceship.
20:05.07Wormy_That shouldn't be too hard then
20:05.24Wormy_TARDIS technology!
20:05.55GhelThe larger the extra dimensions, the weaker gravity is in 3D space, i.e. the smaller the effective gravitational constant.
20:07.59Wormy_Having extra dimensions also supports hyperspace, if we go with the idea of tachyons  being FTL-like movement in other branes
20:08.26Wormy_*supports the hyperdrive
20:09.15GhelYes; I don't think it's quite consistent with reality how we've done it, but it's not too terrible.
20:12.30Roboticking45is there a page explaining hyperspace travel on the wiki?
20:13.00Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Hyperspace
20:13.48GhelIt's far from perfect and, like so many things, probably outdated in its technical details, but it basically looks fine to me.
20:14.15Roboticking45Ok, thank you Ghel
20:16.52Wormy_The opening scene in this, is what I imagine its like within the Emperor's palace (it has an artificial landmass) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrrky5Jg9D0
20:17.42Roboticking45Since your having the debate abut hyperspace, what is the Emperor's palace? a fiction or a movie/novel concept?
20:18.06dromI'm considering doing some fiction long time back in time or further into the future.
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20:18.42Wormy_Robot:  The DCP has a mobile palace being its capital, and its nearly as big as Europe
20:18.46DrodoEmpireHey everyone
20:18.53dromHello
20:19.24DrodoEmpireWormy: It'd suck to get lost in that palace
20:19.37Wormy_Robot:  Look for the Gargantuan dreadnoughts hur http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/98/Emperors_Palace.png/revision/latest?cb=20150829184252
20:19.44Wormy_It would
20:19.59Wormy_I didn't mean it to be that big, but its the estimation
20:20.05DrodoEmpireRight. XD
20:20.09DrodoEmpireStill quite impressive
20:20.36Roboticking45i would have to agree
20:20.53Roboticking45but what are the specifications in universe for a dreadnought class ship?
20:21.13XhoI don't think there is any
20:21.16DrodoEmpireOne second
20:21.19Wormy_The Gargantuans are 225 km roughly in length, so that makes that Palace ridiculously huge
20:21.24XhoJust as long as its within the bounds of reason I think
20:21.42Roboticking45alright
20:21.57DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Warfare - This page has broad guidelines on ships
20:22.02Wormy_There are actually limits on how big such structures can get, due to gravitational stress
20:22.08DrodoEmpireKeep in mind they're just suggestions
20:22.15Wormy_I don't knoe what the limits are
20:22.38XhoUnless you're a god-race hur
20:22.46Roboticking45well it depends wormy
20:23.05Roboticking45as somem structures wouldnt be able to enter the atmosphere
20:23.06Roboticking45some*
20:23.08Wormy_SporeWikiverse does that materials like monopolium and degenerate matter, which realistically aren't very good armours, but are good at withstanding a lot of internal stress
20:23.31dromOne. Probably overdone, I consider doing a fiction that centers on an extragalactic, an escapee from the Annihilation, tires to force its way through minor powers and enslave them, only to then stumble across a might power that then neglects them from the galaxy they are trying to settle themselves on.
20:23.39Wormy_Well, a giant megastructure probably has limits
20:24.02Roboticking45that, along with the fact that the void of space has a reduced gravity until you get into gravity wells
20:25.24Wormy_Thing is, a megastructure will have its own gravity
20:26.02Roboticking45that is true
20:26.20dromEverythinng has its own gravity
20:26.21Wormy_Big enough, it will want to settle into a sphere, or break down in places
20:26.27dromTechnically saying
20:26.27Roboticking45and the larger the structure, the more intense the gravity
20:26.30GhelBut then, we do use negative mass in the SporeWikiverse (it's actually essential for artificial gravity that isn't rotational and doesn't leak out the sides of the ship), so perhaps that could be used to lessen the overall mass.
20:27.13Roboticking45have any nations in the fiction universe turn small dwarf planets and moons into ships?
20:27.27dromNot what I know
20:27.39dromAlso, that would require lot of resources
20:28.10dromSo it is a question if it is nescessary or sufficient
20:28.20GhelThe Emperor's Palace Ship had to be made out of something.
20:28.33Roboticking45do you have a link to the ship?
20:28.42Wormy_It's certainly possible, by lasting them aapart with superlasers and using namoswarms to consume the wreckage.  But given replicator technology, it probably isn't very common.
20:28.47Wormy_*blasting
20:28.51GhelNot to mention http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation
20:29.42Wormy_I assume the Palace ship was created before hypermatter powered quantum replicators
20:30.09Wormy_So it probably was built from deconstructed worldlets
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20:30.53GhelThe Palace Ship can be found http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Fleet#Starship_classification under "Individual ships of note".
20:31.18Wormy_And yes, it probably has to use negative mass, monopolium and degenerate matter bulkheads
20:31.27Wormy_to keep its structure
20:31.52Ghel"Significant events: Crushing empires"
20:34.44Wormy_lol
20:34.44Wormy_It will have a special role to play at the end of Attero Dominatus
20:34.44Wormy_It nearly got destroyed actually, dueling the Dominatus's supervessel
20:34.44GhelI assume it is going to land on Demogorgon Prime and crush the Tyranny's capital.
20:34.46Wormy_Palace ship in action http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#Battle_of_the_Deathstorm
20:35.06Wormy_It will yes, but not before the Emperor has words with a Dominatus commander
20:36.15Roboticking45so it fights by landing on its enemies
20:36.17TekDroidWe still haven't finished AD? O.o
20:36.41TekDroidIt was already going when I joined the wiki
20:37.00OluapPlayerCan't finish it when GD is gone
20:37.01GhelBlame GD12 and his excessively large breakfasts.
20:37.07TekDroidIndeed
20:37.17Xho"Hardly. Planet Busters bounce harmlessly off even the most primitive planetary shielding. Terminus is capable of bypassing shielding even on the level of Orbispira. And that's on 50% capacity."
20:37.25Xho100% power breaks through the fourth wall and then some
20:37.40TekDroidO.o
20:38.14Ghel100% power summons Santorakh to turn the planet into cheese.
20:38.31Roboticking45xho were did you get the quote
20:38.34Roboticking45?
20:38.45XhoThe page Ghel linked
20:39.01GhelThe "Armament" section, specifically.
20:39.08Roboticking45ah
20:40.40GhelMalogenesis, capital of the Tyranny, is about one-third the size of Europe. So the Palace Ship could even crush that in one go.
20:42.02XhoI was gonna say that Emperor Wormulus was compensating for something
20:42.15XhoThough I don't know what a Grimbolsaurian emperor can compensate for
20:42.29OluapPlayerHis tiny body in comparison to his legs
20:42.52Wormy_lol
20:43.15XhoGrimbolsaurians:       gangly disproporionate body -> one of the strongest races in the Gigaquadrant
20:43.18XhoOnly Sporewiki
20:43.21Wormy_He needs a big sexy ship
20:43.52Wormy_Not very attractivem are Grimbies
20:45.09XhoThey're insectoid
20:45.14XhoTherefore they're terrifying
20:46.12Wormy_I've  always imagine them as more reptillian, with insectoid sticky out bits
20:46.28Wormy_Skin as rough as a crocodile's
20:46.47OluapPlayerHuh
20:46.54OluapPlayerI always imagined the Grimbies as being soft and furry
20:47.04Xhowat
20:47.23XhoYeah I imagined them a bit scaly
20:47.23Wormy_Interesting, I wonder how you thought that
20:47.37OluapPlayerTheir colouration makes them look like they have fur to me
20:47.47XhoGreen furry insects
20:47.54XhoFuck that's acid trip like
20:48.07GhelI always thought they were reptilian insectoids, like the Loron.
20:48.09Wormy_Some insects have velvetty/fluffy texture I guess
20:48.16GhelSo now I'm imagining fluffy Loron.
20:48.24OluapPlayerYou have furry insects like bees
20:48.29OluapPlayerAnd moths
20:48.43Wormy_Actually some of my older models had hair
20:49.01Wormy_from the outfitter
20:49.12Wormy_So its not impossible that they have hair as well
20:49.33Wormy_They are now 100% uglier
20:50.00XhoAnd bees and moths are the spawns of Satan
20:50.04dromXho: Green furry insect dinosaurs
20:50.06XhoAlong with every other insect
20:50.24Xhongh
20:50.33XhoI can envision the Grimbolsaurians being a bit scorpion-like
20:52.48Wormy_Xho:  Grimbol wildlife http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Weird_spawn_3_b.png
20:53.02Xho"make it stop"
20:53.15GhelNow you say they're related to Grimbolsaurians, it all makes sense.
20:54.23GhelAnd http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cythys_Imperimund.png does look furry.
20:54.51Wormy_Perhaps I am fated to have such creatures being created or evolved
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20:55.18XhoHachiman: "Having waifu = ruins laifu"
20:55.33HachimanOld joke dat
20:55.59XhoWell stuff me up a dead bull's bum
20:57.00drom_~boot Xho
20:57.01infobotACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across Xho to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts Xho out to where he belongs!
20:57.47Xhohttps://www.facebook.com/BallerAlertcom/videos/1134186929943636/?permPage=1 Kicath
21:02.37Roboticking45i must go farewell
21:08.20Xhohttp://mrambisinistrous.deviantart.com/art/The-Two-Centres-of-the-Universe-562088081 I did a thing
21:09.07drom_It is all rainbows, fun and games until there is only one left to enjoy it all!
21:10.37drom_Wormy_: Is it normal that the species game has a terribly slow upload rate?
21:11.04drom_Cause it is 84 MB, and it takes me 1.5 hours to download it. Usually it takes me 10 seconds
21:11.20XhoJesus
21:11.24Wormy_No, it took me a minute or two to download, and a minute to extract
21:11.29Wormy_It was really fast
21:11.32Wormy_for me
21:12.27drom_It is like I got into some crapsack connection
21:12.27Wormy_drom_ Currently watching Vinesauce play it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEweZKEt3Js
21:12.41Wormy_Probably better off not watching it now then lol
21:12.55Wormy_My internet is actually getting worse again
21:19.18TekDroid~tes
21:19.24TekDroid~test
21:19.24infobotrumour has it, test is not funny
21:22.50Wormy_TekDroid, Ghel, drom_, Xho, OluapPlayer:  https://youtu.be/wEweZKEt3Js?t=24m2s
21:22.53drom_Wormy_: This fucking face, this fucking face. http://i.imgur.com/5J8kbI4.png
21:22.57drom_I'm sooo done
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21:24.32Wormy_Looks like its high
21:24.53OluapPlayerWormy_: olol those tiny legs
21:25.05OluapPlayerThe head also looks like a hammerhead shark
21:25.16OluapPlayerSo a hammerhead which twinkletoes around the landscape
21:25.36XhoFucked up crab people
21:25.51Wormy_And that dinosaur creature
21:26.08XhoIt's like someone put all the awful creations of Spore into one game
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21:26.35XhoTriceratops Crab
21:26.44Wormy_And they all evolve from dick shaped creatures
21:27.20Roboticking45...lovely
21:28.07Wormy_Ghel, Xho: "So after a mutation rate of 19, all creatures become non-eclidean abomninations after one generation.  Are you sure?"
21:28.28GhelThat sounds like the perfect mutation rate to me.
21:28.30Wormy_non-euclidean,
21:28.37Wormy_I have to try this noiw
21:31.18Wormy_22 - "an entire population of missingno"
21:31.22drom_Wormy_: It is also worth to mention that one of the creatures in Vincesauce's playthrough relies on its' gigantic buttocks as a mean of locomotivation
21:31.50Wormy_lol
21:34.12drom_Despite that, it is surprisingly fast
21:34.24Wormy_Well
21:34.40Wormy_Non-Euclid has levitating creatures already
21:36.33drom_There is tons of them as well
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21:41.59Wormy_SporeWiki doesn't even want to upload this horror
21:43.59Wormy_Yep it broke the wiki
21:44.11Wormy_sorry about that
21:44.26Wormy_drom_ http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nopesaur.png
21:45.11drom_Wormy_: Partical for checking out hot singles
21:45.27GhelNew SporeWiki fiction idea: a planet where the native life is engineered with that kind of mutation rate.
21:45.42GhelI'm going to go now. Bye!
21:45.53drom_I think the Nomatarids would totally do that
21:46.13Wormy_Expect major changes per generation
21:47.07XhoDrom_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nomatari_Sovereignty/Ogrumkni I approve of this page btw
21:48.45drom_Thanks! ^u^
21:48.55Wormy_I've now creature detail to over500
21:49.05Wormy_so god knows what will happen
21:50.33XhoSo how did you make that typeface btw
21:50.37drom_Xho: Just incase you find something that you have an issue or a concern about, or simply something you cannot resist to point out, feel free to tell me!
21:50.39XhoDreamweaver?
21:50.44Xhorite
21:50.45drom_Dreamweaver?
21:50.50drom_Fuck that piece of garbage
21:50.53Xhohoh
21:51.00XhoAdobe programs are clunky as fuck
21:51.14Wormy_I really have a hatred of Photoshop
21:51.30XhoIt really isn't a sharp learning curve with Adobe programs
21:51.43XhoIt's a sharp "MAKE THIS FUCKING THING WORK" curve
21:52.35drom_Anyway, I used a program called "High-Logic Fontcreator". But though in reality, all the letters were done in GIMP, I then exported the each individual letters into the program and assigned them to specific character.
21:52.50drom_From there, I exported
21:52.50XhoThey look like vectors
21:53.07drom_That's the magic of tff
21:53.16drom_Any font basically
21:53.21XhoAh
21:53.32drom_woff, otf ... you name it
21:54.01XhoTruetype fonts right
21:54.24drom_Though, the High-Logic Fontcreator wasn't free, neither wasn't it cheap. So I drew the dirty straw: pirate it
21:54.39Xholooks at the prices
21:54.55XhoWell that is not cheap
21:55.17drom_Unfortunately
21:55.32drom_There are cheaper, and preferably free, alternatives though
21:55.55drom_FontForge for instance, but it cannot import images
21:56.29XhoDoes that get as liberal as Fontcreator though
21:56.41drom_And it is basically a Adobe-like product, just because of the learning curve is exactly the same as the average Abode product's curve as you descibed
21:57.02drom_Hm. I don't know much, but it got few tools to get started with
21:57.12drom_I believe...
21:57.27XhoI was thinking of doing Mahanayan and possibly Acheron with a font
21:57.34XhoKicathian would be impossible
21:57.47Roboticking45_I was also thinking of creating a alphabet for my fictions
21:57.57Roboticking45_why would it be impossible xho?
21:58.13drom_Nothing is impossible, Xho
21:58.21drom_You can make them huge as you want them to be
21:58.39drom_Wide, fat, slim or tall
21:58.41drom_You name it
21:58.50XhoI mean trying to get all the individual glyphs to work on one keyboard
21:58.55drom_But the issue is, which tool does that?
21:59.10drom_How many glyphs?
21:59.42Roboticking45_II must go farwell
21:59.54Xho557 collectively
22:00.18XhoThough I'm not deducing the number of common glyphs
22:00.40drom_Hm
22:00.42XhoLet's just say it's at least 344
22:01.24drom_~16^4
22:01.24infobot20
22:01.26XhoKicathian short script is fortunate in the case that all familiar sounds appear similar as a glyph
22:01.32drom_Stupid infobot
22:01.36Xho~16*16*16*16
22:01.36infobot65536
22:01.49XhoBig number
22:01.53drom_Anyway, in theory, you'll be able to fit them all
22:01.58XhoRight
22:02.09XhoI might just stick to Milky Way Kicathian then
22:02.15XhoI usually use that anyway
22:02.21Tek05162^16
22:02.25Tek0516~2^16
22:02.26infobotrumour has it, 2^16 is 65536 :-))
22:02.32Xhomwaha
22:02.37drom_The issue is though, will you or your stamina last enough to finish it? Can you easily assemble the glyphs?
22:02.46XhoWell no
22:02.59XhoThat's why I said Kicathian would be borderline impossible to do
22:03.17XhoMahanayan is much easier
22:03.37Tek0516I feel like the only way to pull it off would be generated by computer
22:03.38drom_I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be impossible.
22:04.06XhoThe impossibility would be my lack of enthusiasm
22:04.21XhoMahanayan has 78 individual glyphs so that's much easier to handle
22:04.30drom_Anyway, the characters have unqiue "unicodes" which is a 4-digit 16-base number
22:04.39drom_Hence the big number
22:05.33XhoAcheron has 39 glyphs which is even more simple
22:07.55XhoIs it me or is Armenian the most occult looking alphabet ever
22:08.21XhoIt looks suitable for something like the Necronomicon
22:09.14drom_There is more
22:10.40drom_looks down on Hebrew, Mandrin, Cyrillic, Aztec and Indian
22:10.58drom_Mandarin even
22:11.51XhoI'm not actually sure what Nahuatl looks like written down
22:12.02XhoI mean the native alphabet for it
22:12.49XhoOh right pictographs
22:12.53XhoMakes sense
22:17.45drom_Good luck anyway, Xho
22:19.07Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddha%E1%B9%83_script I can imagine Mahanayan looking a bit like this
22:19.16XhoFunnily enough a Buddhist script
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22:43.41Tek0516O.o I cranked Species' mutation rate as high as possible just to see what happens
22:46.00DrodoEmpireuh oh
22:47.23Tek0516I think the species display doesn't keep up and I think everything is dying off from genetic incompatibility except one small branch that whithers away
22:48.16DrodoEmpireOuch...
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22:51.43Tek0516Yeah, I don't think the main species is even the same species. XD
22:52.07Wormy_hi
22:52.53Tek0516I cranked Species' mutation rate to 200.:P
23:29.25Wormy_lol
23:29.45Wormy_What non-euclidean horrors emerged?
23:50.15Wormy_http://infobot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20140625.html.gz
23:50.26Wormy_Once again I found an IRC log browsing the internet
23:51.02Wormy_Of course it could be Google stacking results based on visits ans so on.
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