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00:28.50TekDroid:/ My building's AC seems mostly broken
00:29.32TekDroidcool-ish breeze, but barely enough to keep it below air temp
00:29.58DrodoEmpireI see
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01:29.52Wormy_I love these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_house_spider
01:32.53Wormy_"The spiders’ bite can be similar to a bee sting if the skin is pierced, but Ms Rind said this was unlikely as long as people did not antagonise the insects and treated them sensibly."
01:33.11Wormy_THEY ARE NOT INSECTS the Independent
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13:58.27XhoHm what to do
13:58.54OluapPlayerWork on Kicathian Dessert
13:59.31XhoIn that case I'll need you for Agent Cow
13:59.50OluapPlayerbaah
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14:00.48XhoCan't even connect to Titanpd
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14:02.50TekDroidMy data limit resets Thursday. >.<
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15:03.05Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kicathian_Dissension#Across_the_Stars Angry cyborgs talk to each other
15:11.03CyrannianNoice
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15:59.38Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/UxUbz4O  http://imgur.com/gallery/raqXNSK  http://imgur.com/gallery/D0GQ9Jl  http://imgur.com/gallery/pRghoNU http://i.imgur.com/Bo7Fwes.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7Kv9CV3.jpg
16:00.02Wormy_awayhttp://i.imgur.com/vlh9gQe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7qqtut1.jpg  http://imgur.com/gallery/g8N2iwz  http://imgur.com/gallery/JYdcZe8 http://imgur.com/gallery/xiavvXX  http://imgur.com/gallery/vxH5Yqt
16:01.04Wormy_awayI like the "nolivesmatter" one
16:13.02Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/8rCEdyN
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17:26.07CyrannianHow do you link someone's name on DeviantART?
17:31.53OluapPlayer:namehere:
17:32.02OluapPlayerOr :iconnamehere:
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17:45.24CyrannianIf anyone has any ideas for September's featured articles, let it be known or forever hold your peace
17:45.43OluapPlayerI'll nominate your big-boobied slut gal
17:45.44OluapPlayeraka Caranye
17:47.12Cyranniandanke... I think
17:47.31OluapPlayerI'm joking hur
17:55.44ImperiosYeah that Russian ladt
17:55.45Imperioslady
17:56.08ImperiosI nominate... hm
18:01.25dromHm
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18:02.02JepardiHi
18:02.29dromHi
18:04.12dromI guess I'll ... er ... nominate Xho's Kicathian Dissension for story, if not featured already.
18:04.30dromThe new updates to it looks promising
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18:05.19GhelaeHello.
18:07.18dromAdd Siege of Vasuband and "Agent Nu's Andromedan City Break"
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18:12.05dromCyrannain: Seen my nominations?
18:14.41CyrannianIndeed, though could you hold off the Vasuband nomination until next month, it'll be finished by then
18:14.53dromAlright
18:15.16Charles_MurrayBrand new map of the Commonwealth of French Andromeda, I'm overhauling a lot of the fiction: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/57/Map_of_the_Commonwealth_of_French_Andromeda.png/revision/latest?cb=20150908181341
18:15.21OluapPlayerImperios: write your fog war section grrrr
18:15.31ImperiosAlright
18:15.54dromCyrannian: In place of it, if you allow me, I'll nominate my Testament
18:16.08CyrannianNo problem with that
18:16.46CyrannianI'll nominate the Sequence by Liquid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Sequence
18:17.22dromGood choice
18:18.53ImperiosCharles_Murray: C'est une carte tres excellente  ^^
18:18.59Charles_MurrayMerci ^.^
18:19.31Charles_MurrayI'd like to nominate the Second War of Mirusian Coalition, which a bunch of Mirusian users, Knight_Alien, and myself have been working very hard on
18:20.38dromImperios: http://i.imgur.com/GTkldMo.jpg
18:21.59Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:September_2015:_Featured_Story_Poll
18:26.06Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:September_2015:_Featured_Empire_Poll
18:26.59Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:September_2015:_Featured_Captain_Poll
18:27.36dromTiem for creature nominations
18:28.11ImperiosOluapPlayer: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Big_Mac_index_50USD_2columns.png ...Is food that expensive in Brazil?
18:28.43OluapPlayerFast food, yes
18:29.03Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:September_2015:_Featured_Creature_Poll
18:29.59ImperiosWhy's that?
18:36.05OluapPlayerTaxes
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19:04.36HachimanI voted Caranye for Featured Captain because breasts
19:04.38HachimanHai again
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19:11.43NoblaSourEmpireHey guys
19:16.25GhelaeHello.
19:22.01NoblaSourEmpirewuz up?
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19:45.23ZF101Hello everyone.
19:50.14ImperiosHachiman: http://i.imgur.com/Gy4kAM4.png http://i.imgur.com/9cKArq9.png http://i.imgur.com/YUkxhoO.png  http://i.imgur.com/TNYfdCi.png So I made this out of boredom
19:50.30ImperiosHi
19:51.35dromWormy_away: I gave you this link did I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jek6vQ0GGUA
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19:53.43Wormy_awaynope
19:53.52Wormy_awayJust been onn a 7 miler
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19:55.09dromNice
19:57.14Wormy_awaydrom:  Its old I guess you've seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlhRkde2cTo
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19:57.37dromOh yeah, I did see it
20:00.58Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/2aksXUO
20:01.31Wormy_away"You mean they have to get a permit to climb that set of stairs? That's fucked up."
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20:09.40DrodoEmpireHey everyone
20:11.39Wormy_awaybl dinner
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20:23.56NoblaSourEmpireGuys
20:23.56TekDroid>.> This class has an article on a feminist analysis of technology. -.-
20:24.15NoblaSourEmpiresend me a link
20:25.21NoblaSourEmpireXD
20:25.29NoblaSourEmpireI wanna Gawk at how terrible it is
20:27.13TekDroidI can't even find it atm
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20:27.43NoblaSourEmpiremmkay
20:27.44NoblaSourEmpireanyway
20:27.46NoblaSourEmpirei think
20:27.50NoblaSourEmpireits time
20:27.53NoblaSourEmpirewe made a new fic war
20:29.26TekDroidWell, we have ones going on gigaquadrant-wide for the most part.
20:31.13NoblaSourEmpirereally?
20:31.31TekDroidSeveral IIRC
20:31.51NoblaSourEmpireyou can have a war in Irc?
20:31.53NoblaSourEmpireXD
20:32.04NoblaSourEmpirewhat do you do shout insults then rage quit?
20:32.10dromIt is "If I Recall Correctly"
20:32.17NoblaSourEmpireoh XD
20:32.25NoblaSourEmpirewell i feel retarded
20:32.51dromTekDroid: Prehaps you should burn the university down
20:33.17TekDroid...Ihope it gets better.
20:33.38TekDroidApparently there's a transhumanism unit at the end
20:34.33NoblaSourEmpirewhy
20:37.15TekDroidIt's a course about technology
20:39.42dromTekDroid: We also stumble across these in Linguistics, Civics and that course.
20:40.33dromSomehow as how I've preceived your situation, ours is milder and is rather a find rather than a central subject occupying the class.
20:40.54Wormy_Can't feminise geology
20:41.18NoblaSourEmpirewhat do feminists have to do with tecnology
20:42.20TekDroidWormy_: https://xkcd.com/1082/
20:42.28Wormy_I'm not attacking women in science just for the noting, but I can't see how a postmodern analysis contributes to finding oil reserves, unless they try to say boreholes are biased by male genitalia
20:42.58Wormy_Lol
20:43.07TekDroidNoblaSourEmpire: Some wierd "science" philosophy movement
20:43.11Wormy_Maybe they'll attack the geology jokes
20:43.34Wormy_This movement is really postmodern, and if anything, antiscience
20:44.41TekDroidforgot the name
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20:47.37Wormy_"Electrons are like the IRA, they don't just go away!"
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20:50.16Wormy_they laughed though
20:50.36Wormy_something these Twitter dogooders don't understand:  humour
20:54.28Wormy_I bet they are straight from the freezer #internetislies
20:54.31Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/g94Y5RG
20:54.33Wormy_woops
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20:59.48TekDroid...oh god, we haven't even got to the postmodernist part yet.
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21:08.14Wormy_Debate them in the Q/A, if you want, I can give you some refutations to postmodern philosophy
21:08.45Wormy_It is like a disease infecting universities
21:10.42TekDroid...I tried looking up this article. All I found were cringeworthy postmodernist articles that cite it
21:11.04TekDroid"Towards a feminist assessment of reproductive technology"
21:11.09TekDroidFor example
21:13.04Wormy_Scientific theories are conjectural by their nature, which is true.  But postmodernists declare they are arbitrary narratives, some even claiming science is arrogant.  This is because postmodern theories *resist criticism* and attempts to change them.  They are rational because they actually construct a collective authority and so is charged with its own criticism
21:13.08Wormy_Self-reufuting
21:13.25Wormy_*they are NOT rational, sorry
21:14.38TekDroidThough thankfully the lecture has mostly been a far less cringeworthy "technology can be both good and bad at the same time". I think he skipped the worst of the postmodernism in favour of the stuff that actually makes sense.
21:15.10Wormy_Rational theories strive for good, hard-to-vary explanations that are not based on the decree of an authortary, objective reality does not meet anyone's prior perspectives.  In fact is is alien to them.
21:16.58Wormy_That's good
21:18.40Wormy_Notably, a scientist published a hoax paper to a top postmodern journal made to "feel good", and it passed their peer review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
21:19.15TekDroidI remember you talking about that
21:23.40NoblaSourEmpireguys
21:23.46NoblaSourEmpireare solar Sails allowed in fictions?
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21:25.20XhoI am back from that place
21:26.48XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman: We're currently writing a song and it sounds sort of Mass Effect-ish, so we've taken to naming the song "I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favourite store on the Citadel"
21:28.18OluapPlayerhur
21:28.39NoblaSourEmpirelol
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21:33.26NoblaSourEmpirewhat is a spore cast?
21:34.32drom_A collection of Spore creations
21:34.49drom_Can contain your and others creations
21:34.52NoblaSourEmpireok  cool
21:36.24NoblaSourEmpireHoly Debug squid of some Bolivian Kid!
21:36.35NoblaSourEmpireI found another game i created in spore
21:36.41NoblaSourEmpirenot just the creature
21:36.46NoblaSourEmpirebut the actual other game!
21:40.53Xho?
21:42.02Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:VasubandSiege05.png http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:VasubandSiege06.png http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:InquisitorMorhioven.png - c
21:42.04NoblaSourEmpirethis is so cool
21:42.29XhoKit'tharojanaril - wat u lookin at fishman
21:42.40OluapPlayerMorhioven is spooky-looking
21:42.45Wormy_To answer your ealier question, solar Sails are allowed in fiction, but it will not achieve FTL.  Laser sails are better (using laser pressure to move the sail)
21:43.08CyrannianWe should use Kit'tharojanaril at some point come to think of it
21:44.49NoblaSourEmpirealso i have a question
21:45.02NoblaSourEmpirecouldent over use of laser fire harm the Galaxy?
21:45.23NoblaSourEmpireif the laser passes through whatever it shot it dosent just burn out it keeps going forever
21:45.35NoblaSourEmpireso it could pottentialy hit a planet
21:45.36NoblaSourEmpireor a sun
21:45.39NoblaSourEmpireor a ship
21:45.43NoblaSourEmpireor a random person
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21:46.06CyrannianSpace is unspeakably vast and incredibly empty, so the chances are very low.
21:46.26NoblaSourEmpiretrue true
21:46.43NoblaSourEmpirebut there are millions trillions an infinate amount of planets
21:47.53NoblaSourEmpireand even more living beings ships suns and ateroids
21:48.01NoblaSourEmpireall of these could be important
21:48.03NoblaSourEmpireand if they are
21:48.52Wormy_There is no theoretical upper limit to a laser, but it would not be practical to construct.
21:49.24Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Siege_of_Vasuband#The_Final_Effort - Three new chapters
21:49.26Wormy_Remember that lasers disperse over time, over a wider volume, and this diminishes their power over distance
21:49.39NoblaSourEmpireWormy a laser isnt just a beam of energy that burns up and is just gone after it hits its target
21:49.45Wormy_Even if the light goes on forever, lasers are not infinitely thin
21:49.55NoblaSourEmpireenergy can not be destroyed or created
21:49.58NoblaSourEmpireit is changed
21:50.03drom_Cyrannian: Noice
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21:50.36Wormy_What I said does not in any way defy the laws of conversation of energy
21:51.36Wormy_You are right that the laser will be transformed And the beam will widen over distance), which supports my view a laser would not practically destroy an entire galaxy unless the laser was pointed below the disk and had the width of the galaxy.#
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21:55.25NoblaSourEmpireback anyway
21:55.32NoblaSourEmpireit wouldent destroy a galaxy
21:55.34NoblaSourEmpireor a planet
21:55.55NoblaSourEmpirebut a powerfull wartime lazer could destroy buildings
21:55.58NoblaSourEmpireveicles
21:56.00NoblaSourEmpirepeople
21:56.04NoblaSourEmpireeven ships
21:56.21Wormy_The laser's beam will get wider over time
21:56.27NoblaSourEmpireyep
21:56.47NoblaSourEmpireand that will make it able to kill mutiple or bigger things
21:56.53Wormy_No
21:57.01Wormy_It will diminish it's power
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21:57.50NoblaSourEmpirewormy either way
21:57.56NoblaSourEmpirebefore it diminishes itself
21:58.14CyrannianHello Random!
21:58.14NoblaSourEmpireit still has a pretty good chance of un intentionally hitting something
21:58.26The_RandomnessHello
21:58.27Wormy_If the Death Star's superlaser missed Alderaan, and hit a planet in another system 10 light years (or 10 years later), it will most likely not destroy a planet
21:58.34The_Randomness^
21:58.45NoblaSourEmpireok but what if it hit the leader of the planet
21:58.55NoblaSourEmpireand the people of he planet declared war
21:59.05NoblaSourEmpirebam 5000 year interstellar war
21:59.15Wormy_He might not even be aware a few photons of the superlaser hit him from 10 years ago
21:59.21The_Randomness^
21:59.44NoblaSourEmpireok what about 1 light year away
21:59.45NoblaSourEmpireor 2
21:59.56NoblaSourEmpirenot all planets are 10 light years away
22:00.15Wormy_I haven't done the calcs so I can't be certain, but in principle, he probably won't even see it.  It is why supernovas on the other side of the galaxy would be no more than a bright star.
22:00.18drom_Oh hello The_Randomness!
22:02.00NoblaSourEmpirewormy
22:02.06Wormy_Yeah?
22:02.08NoblaSourEmpireyou must admit its a possibility
22:02.44Wormy_Lets put it this way:  I wouldn't sweat over missed superlaser shots.
22:04.05NoblaSourEmpireWormy say what you like but i think  we should all switch back to Proton And anti matter Missiles and bombs
22:04.24The_Randomnessu wot m8
22:04.49Wormy_Here one could work out the calcs to learn at what distance a superlaser from the Death Star becomes a bright star, to even invisible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irradiance
22:05.03The_RandomnessFirst of all, why do you suggest this in the first place?
22:05.34NoblaSourEmpirebecause
22:05.40NoblaSourEmpirelasers are Impractical
22:05.46The_RandomnessWhy?
22:05.52Wormy_Or even http://www.quora.com/Is-the-light-from-lasers-reduced-by-the-inverse-square-law-as-distance-grows-similar-to-other-light-sources
22:07.21NoblaSourEmpirebecause
22:07.36Wormy_They are impractical weapons from transtellar distances
22:07.47NoblaSourEmpirelasers burn and are centered around heat and vaporization
22:07.49NoblaSourEmpiretherefore
22:08.14NoblaSourEmpireAnytype of Heat Resistance Tecnology if strong enough could repel them
22:08.20The_RandomnessThey don't require reloading, they only require power input.
22:08.20NoblaSourEmpirealso Plasma Lasers
22:08.24NoblaSourEmpireare the same thing
22:08.37The_RandomnessI hate to be condescending, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
22:09.17NoblaSourEmpireif a plasma shield with Denser Plasma then the Plasma Weapon being fired could be constructed the Plasma Weapon would be pushed back
22:09.33Wormy_There is no upper limit to have much power can be put into a laser
22:09.39Wormy_*how much
22:09.46Wormy_physically anyway
22:09.55Tek0516No matter how much "heat resistance" you have the energy will still be applied to the object. Continue applying energy and that object will melt.
22:10.24Tek0516Or bend or something
22:10.33Tek0516<PROTECTED>
22:10.46The_RandomnessOr chemically decompose
22:10.47NoblaSourEmpireTek
22:10.57Wormy_And plasma is not the same as a laser, though both fall under "directed energy weapons", lasers are focused light (although they might be focused by plasma in some way)
22:11.04The_Randomness^
22:11.12Tek0516<PROTECTED>
22:11.16NoblaSourEmpireif some sort of shielding that is Resistant to heat entirely could be applied
22:11.19Tek0516...
22:11.28NoblaSourEmpireno matter how long you apply laser fire
22:11.29Tek0516that doesn't work
22:11.29The_RandomnessThat is not possible.
22:11.34NoblaSourEmpireit would not melt
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22:12.20The_RandomnessYou are suggesting that no matter how much energy I put into this magical substance, it will not change in any meaningful way?
22:13.10The_RandomnessIn which case it either does not react with photons or whatever matter you're throwing at it, or it violates conservation of energy.
22:13.18The_Randomnesser, interact
22:13.50Wormy_And if it does not react with photons, it would be chemically inert and a useless armour (or the laser would go straight through the armour)
22:13.54The_RandomnessThe first would make it not do anything useful, and the second is not physically possible.
22:14.23Wormy_The other is a "perfect mirror", but there are too many physical constraints that do not allow a 100% reflecting mirror to be built
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22:15.00NoblaSourEmpire_anyway
22:15.03NoblaSourEmpire_yeah
22:15.10The_RandomnessWhat was the last message you got from us?
22:15.45NoblaSourEmpire_from random
22:16.06The_RandomnessMy one asking you about the properties of you proposed thing?
22:16.06Wormy_[23:11] <@The_Randomness> You are suggesting that no matter how much energy I put into this magical substance, it will not change in any meaningful way? [23:12] <@The_Randomness> In which case it either does not react with photons or whatever matter you're throwing at it, or it violates conservation of energy. [23:12] <@The_Randomness> er, interact [23:13] <Wormy_> And if it does not react with photons, it would be chemically inert
22:16.23Wormy_laser would go straight through the armour) [23:13] <@The_Randomness> The first would make it not do anything useful, and the second is not physically possible. [23:13] <Wormy_> The other is a "perfect mirror", but there are too many physical constraints that do not allow a 100% reflecting mirror to be built
22:16.29Wormy_Reposted fot you ^
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22:19.13TekDroidYou may need to re-repost
22:19.49Wormy_sent
22:19.55NoblaSourEMpireanyway
22:20.14NoblaSourEMpirewhat
22:20.19NoblaSourEMpireno i didnt
22:20.21NoblaSourEMpirewtf
22:20.29Wormy_That's your old nick
22:22.13drom_~~test
22:22.45TekDroidyou're still here drom
22:22.51TekDroid*drom_
22:22.59drom_I know
22:23.11drom_I wanted to test out if infobot can parse double prefixes
22:23.19TekDroidoh
22:23.41drom_~~2+2
22:23.43NoblaSourEMpireWtf
22:23.46NoblaSourEMpireis this
22:23.47drom_Neither that
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22:24.32NoblaSourEmpireGuy
22:24.46NoblaSourEmpireis Genetic Engineering allowed?
22:25.01NoblaSourEmpiredose it violate any laws of some major Federation
22:26.18TekDroidIf it's not something too crazy. We have examples of many scales
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22:27.34NoblaSourEmpireHow about Making it so you have Full control of your nerves so you can Electrocute or Produce Electricity like an ELectric Eel
22:27.45NoblaSourEmpireis that insane
22:28.15The_RandomnessYes, that is absurd
22:28.19NoblaSourEmpirewhy
22:28.53NoblaSourEmpirethere are definetly animals in the fic universe that can produce electricity
22:29.17The_RandomnessYeah, but let's take a human body as an example.
22:29.27NoblaSourEmpirecrossing your dna with theirs isnt that insane
22:29.34NoblaSourEmpire?
22:29.52The_RandomnessIt does not actually produce that much energy, and the animals that do produce electricity to harm others have specialized organs to do so.
22:30.19The_RandomnessAnd it isn't just a matter of inserting some dna into another creature and you get superpowers or what have you
22:30.42The_RandomnessThe body has no existing mechanism to make such an organ
22:30.49NoblaSourEmpirecould you clone those organs and surgically implant them into someone?
22:31.14The_RandomnessYes, you could, but they would most likely be rejected by the host, and if they weren't, they wouldn't do anything
22:32.09NoblaSourEmpire<PROTECTED>
22:32.47The_RandomnessIt's not like you're transplanting a kidney or something, the body has no existing mechanism to even interact with the organ in the first place.
22:33.14The_RandomnessAnd why bother doing that when you could make a simple device that could electrocute someone?
22:33.30NoblaSourEmpireThen why not Also clone the Mechanism that is in the creature you took it from
22:33.40The_RandomnessSame problem
22:33.42NoblaSourEmpirebecause devices can be taken
22:34.01NoblaSourEmpireyou could hook the organ up to the brain with the same mechanism in the other creatures body
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22:34.47The_RandomnessYou don't even understand what I mean by that. What I'm saying is that the body cannot interact with the organ in any meaningful way.
22:36.04The_RandomnessIt is not designed to accommodate this organ, unlike the animal from which it's from.
22:36.33NoblaSourEmpirethen if a hybrid of the creature and your creature were created
22:36.39NoblaSourEmpire*was
22:37.03NoblaSourEmpireit would already be designed to accommodate or use the organ
22:37.05The_RandomnessIn which case you would require a species that can reproduce with yours
22:37.18NoblaSourEmpirehow hard is it to find one of those?
22:37.28The_Randomness...
22:37.44NoblaSourEmpireEvery Heard of the Anthropod theory?
22:37.46The_RandomnessI'm done.
22:38.11NoblaSourEmpireok
22:38.34NoblaSourEmpireso far
22:43.26NoblaSourEmpireI know its imposible to geneticaly engineer
22:43.33NoblaSourEmpireCReatures with Poison sacks
22:43.51NoblaSourEmpirecreatures with The ability to electrocute stuff
22:44.03NoblaSourEmpirecreatures that have any un natural Ability
22:44.08NoblaSourEmpirean creatures imune to diseases
22:44.12NoblaSourEmpirewhat else is there
22:47.51NoblaSourEmpireHow about Creatures with extended life spans?
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22:47.58The_RandomnessHello
22:48.01NoblaSourEmpirehello
22:48.05NoblaSourEmpirewb
22:48.10Wormy_awayHi
22:48.52Wormy_awayCreatures with extended lifespans are not beyond the stretch of genetic engineering I imagine, but it would not be the only factor.  Stem cell research is more likely to open up that area.
22:49.41Wormy_awayPlants have already been modified through breeding or engineering to be more immune to certain diseases
22:50.51NoblaSourEmpireI read any articale about genetic enginering making people have a lower risk for Alzheimers
22:51.24NoblaSourEmpire(sorry i cant spell that word XD)
22:51.49NoblaSourEmpire(don't judge me i am in 4th grade XD)
22:54.25NoblaSourEmpire*an
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22:56.45drom_I do really wonder how far long will my bot last when ya all try to crack it
22:57.00Tek0516O.o
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23:08.10DrodoEmpireBack
23:08.11DrodoEmpire:p
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23:11.23NoblaSourEmpireanyway
23:11.40NoblaSourEmpirehow is everyone?
23:12.32DrodoEmpireFine I suppose
23:14.16Liquid_InkYeah alright
23:15.44NoblaSourEmpirei am trying to think of something to add to my empire
23:15.47NoblaSourEmpirea new tecnology
23:15.50NoblaSourEmpiresomething
23:17.49NoblaSourEmpirecould i give my people a robotic arm
23:17.55NoblaSourEmpireor a robotic eye
23:18.14DrodoEmpireEvery citizen?
23:19.06NoblaSourEmpireno
23:19.10NoblaSourEmpirethe millitery
23:19.22DrodoEmpireAh
23:19.25Liquid_InkSure
23:19.32NoblaSourEmpirecybernetic implants
23:19.45DrodoEmpireBionically enhancing every soldier would indeed improve their combat effectiveness
23:19.54DrodoEmpireThough it'd be quite expensive
23:20.27DrodoEmpireSo to compensate, the army may have to be a wee smaller
23:20.43NoblaSourEmpireok
23:20.45NoblaSourEmpirewhat else
23:20.52NoblaSourEmpirehow about genetic Eneginnering
23:20.55DrodoEmpireNothing really. I'd need to hear more
23:21.00DrodoEmpireThat's also possible
23:21.17DrodoEmpireThough I think you'd have to breed soldiers at that point
23:21.24NoblaSourEmpiretrue true
23:21.27NoblaSourEmpirethat would be weird
23:21.31NoblaSourEmpirelike a soldier factory
23:21.34DrodoEmpireSo perhaps it'd be better to leave genetically-enhanced soldiers for the elite
23:21.40NoblaSourEmpireyeah
23:22.03NoblaSourEmpirecould you make someones brain Better for lack of a Better word with genetic ENginering
23:22.27NoblaSourEmpirelike able to proccess information faster
23:22.32DrodoEmpireMake them more aware, give them faster reflexes, better senses
23:22.32DrodoEmpireYeah
23:22.34DrodoEmpireExactly
23:22.54DrodoEmpirePerhaps either reduce or completely eliminate their ability to panic or to fear
23:23.35NoblaSourEmpireYou know what?
23:23.49DrodoEmpireAs really 99% of battles end in one army routing out of panic, and that's also when most of the casaulties rack up.
23:23.53NoblaSourEmpirei think my entire army will just be normal soldiers but certain captains and generals and other elite troops
23:23.54DrodoEmpireWhat?
23:23.59DrodoEmpireAlright.
23:24.03DrodoEmpireThat makes a lot of sense
23:24.18NoblaSourEmpirewill be geneticaly modified
23:24.22NoblaSourEmpireand given Implants
23:24.52DrodoEmpireLike take Greek phalanx combat for example, very few losses happened during the battle itself, but when one line topped another over or forced it to turn and run, the slaughter was indescribably appalling.
23:25.03NoblaSourEmpireyep
23:25.04DrodoEmpire*toppled another over
23:25.17NoblaSourEmpirewhich is why its better to have your troops in a moving circle
23:25.24NoblaSourEmpireif you run you dont have to turn
23:25.26DrodoEmpireNot really.
23:25.35NoblaSourEmpireand your back insnt exposed
23:26.11DrodoEmpireWell no I'm describing a push of pike, when two lines march up to eachother and get into a bit of a "shoving match"
23:26.19NoblaSourEmpireoh
23:26.21NoblaSourEmpirei get it
23:26.23DrodoEmpireA pike square is effective, and can't be flanked (really) but occupies less area and is extremely vulnerable to artillery and arrows.
23:26.48DrodoEmpirePlus they really can't maneuver.
23:27.16DrodoEmpireUnless you're like the Swiss pikemen, who could go into a full-tilt sprint and retain formation you aren't going anywhere in a formation as complicated as a square.
23:28.12NoblaSourEmpirewait
23:28.13NoblaSourEmpiredrodo
23:28.14DrodoEmpireThat said they are *great* against cavalry assaults, as Waterloo shown.
23:28.16DrodoEmpireBut anyway
23:28.17NoblaSourEmpireif fear is gone
23:28.17DrodoEmpireYes?
23:28.27NoblaSourEmpirethat could be very dangerious
23:28.31DrodoEmpireCould be.
23:28.38NoblaSourEmpirefear keeps us alive in many diffrent situations
23:28.47DrodoEmpireThey'd obey without question and probably take huge casulties
23:28.56DrodoEmpireIf you aren't concerned about that then its good
23:28.57NoblaSourEmpireyep
23:29.17NoblaSourEmpireit would be pretty much removing your fight or flight reflex
23:29.21DrodoEmpireBecause then there's *no stopping* an assault until every single one of the troopers is dead.
23:29.45DrodoEmpireRemember that in almost every battle in human history, actually casaulties rarely topped 50% of the force
23:29.59DrodoEmpireMore often, it was closer to 25 or even as low as 10%.
23:30.08DrodoEmpireBefore one side was routed
23:30.18DrodoEmpire*actual casualties
23:31.28DrodoEmpireAnd almost all of those were from the retreat, not the battle itself
23:31.52DrodoEmpireSo more accurately, depending on the era casualties during the actual fighting were closer to five percent.
23:32.26DrodoEmpireSo a force of 10 000 may only actually take some 500 losses in a pitched battle.
23:32.54NoblaSourEmpireyeah i guess so
23:33.33DrodoEmpireI find that in movies and whatnot war is exaggerated in almost every aspect, but especially in casualties. :p
23:33.41DrodoEmpireAnd where those casualties happen
23:33.45DrodoEmpire*where and when
23:34.38DrodoEmpireAnyway
23:36.36DrodoEmpireAh, one mor thing
23:36.38DrodoEmpire*more
23:36.51NoblaSourEmpire?
23:40.16NoblaSourEmpireyou dere?
23:41.25DrodoEmpireSorry
23:41.28DrodoEmpireAs I was saying
23:41.39DrodoEmpireThe wars of the 18th and 19th centuries had considerably higher casualty rates than previous eras
23:42.00DrodoEmpireTo the point that, after the Napoleonic Wars, France's population was so devastated that it never recovered
23:42.14DrodoEmpireLosing almost 40% of its able-bodied men.
23:42.56NoblaSourEmpireit still hasnt?
23:47.37NoblaSourEmpire?
23:48.40DrodoEmpireNot really.
23:49.10DrodoEmpireLike its population isn't as large as it *should* be thanks to the war, and I believe there's still more women than men
23:49.37DrodoEmpire(This is because up until *very* recently only young men were enlisted into the military)
23:50.04NoblaSourEmpireis that why there is a stereotype that all french men are push overs and all that?
23:50.28DrodoEmpireThere's a stereotype that France as a country is a pushover yeah
23:50.36DrodoEmpireOne that just... Isn't... True.
23:50.39DrodoEmpire>.<
23:51.08DrodoEmpireLike the Napoleonic Wars for example, France conquered continental Europe *multiple* times.
23:51.37DrodoEmpireAnd French soldiers made up the majority in the trenches during the first world war.
23:52.08DrodoEmpirePlus the French infantry were well known for the ferocity of their bayonet charges
23:52.26DrodoEmpireAnd don't even get me *started* on the Cuirassiers, and Carabiniers. XD
23:54.21NoblaSourEmpireand the Hessian Cavalry
23:55.06DrodoEmpireYeah
23:55.17Tek0516Even the surrender stereotype is horribly wrong for WWII.
23:55.40DrodoEmpire^
23:55.58DrodoEmpireI think its just an idiotic stereotype made up by the Americans.
23:56.43NoblaSourEmpirepfft americans
23:56.50NoblaSourEmpireugh i hate advanced math
23:57.00Tek0516By the time they surrender they'd fought a serious conflict until the country was overrun and they helped evacuate a huge number of allied forces
23:57.12NoblaSourEmpire4th grade sucks balls
23:58.49NoblaSourEmpireplus i have to go to advanced math which also sucks. everyone else has to do long division and i am stuck with algebra

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