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11:45.49Hachimandum not many people here
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12:19.58Wormy_Emotional illnesses as monsters.  The social anxiety and avoident anxiety ones lurk in me http://imgur.com/gallery/pgkwN
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12:35.25dromHachiman: http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tv/image/1404/03/1404037907118.jpg
12:36.18AdmiralPandaAs an Australian, the best thing to come out of KlK was a new way of swearing at someone
12:36.37AdmiralPandaspecifically, "Fuck you, and your eyebrows!"
12:38.40dromthat group messanging app?
12:39.38AdmiralPandaKlK as in Kill la Kill
12:40.15dromah
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13:00.13MonetHello
13:01.03HachimanHai
13:03.10AdmiralPandahi
13:03.22Wormy_hi
13:04.16Wormy_Hey Monet, do you know which is better, Sith Sorcerer or Assassin?
13:04.48MonetI'm not good on "which is better" questions
13:04.48Wormy_I want to play as the former but having a double edged lightsaber with lightning running through it would be glorious
13:05.04MonetBut which do you prefer, being sneaky and twirling a lightsaber or electrocuting everyone?
13:05.18Wormy_Electrocuting everyone!
13:05.23MonetSorceror then
13:06.00Wormy_Right, my first impressions of SWTOR.
13:07.13Wormy_It looks like it has good gameplay, and funny arse hole dialogue between characters.  But two things I don't like is in combat, its hard to cycle through enemies, and also, the map is hard to navigate
13:22.59dromMonet: Same here, I can say that for the Terrorist mission on Dromund Kaar
13:23.32dromYou can receive the mission early as level 10, but all the enemies including that OP elite are above 14 and sometimes 16.
13:24.18dromSpecifically that Elite, who is level 15 and way too powerful abilities
13:25.00dromIn fact that he can stun your companion for 5 seconds and cast it again immedialetly when the effect wears off.
13:25.04dromFuck that guy
13:25.07dromFuck that mission
13:26.43MonetIs it a group mission?
13:26.54dromNope
13:28.07dromIt is as well the story mission for the Imperial Agent, which you receive after you complete the two The Unfinished Colossus missions.
13:28.13Wormy_That's a problem I have with Bioware games
13:28.41Wormy_They stick you in missions (or even join them *without knowing* you just can't complete
13:29.44Wormy_In Mass Effect 1 I ended up reaching the end of the mission where I fight the Councilor Troy lady but she was too strong for my level
13:30.08Wormy_I had know effing clue I shouldn't have played that mission yet
13:30.09dromWormy_: I've also noticed that both Bioware and EA are trying to push you into paying the game, since you receive the double experience when you are a subscriber.
13:30.11Wormy_*no
13:30.35dromSo these missions are tailored for subscriber players, not F2P players.
13:30.36Wormy_Yes, I prefer Star Trek Online's F2P model
13:31.50dromSo in fact I'm now trying to grind by finishing the legacy achievements
13:32.18AdmiralPandaI assume you're appropriately geared for your level, of course
13:33.30Wormy_For Mass Effect, I probably should have done better for that.  But in SWTOR I've changed  my gear whenever poissible
13:35.16MonetBioware games are unfair on you if you rush
13:35.21dromAdmiralPanda: I cannot most of the items the enemies drop due to them being "artifacts"
13:36.32AdmiralPandaI don't know the game, but in any MMO gear is crucial, so you really do need to do something to kit up
13:38.18Wormy_In STO I have it well covered, half my time chzanging gear or storing it for procs and enhancements
13:39.47Wormy_Monet:  I imagine Romulans would make good Sith, as they are a highly passionate race.  And Vulcans may make good Jedi.
13:40.50HachimanI dunno about the capacity for Klingon Sith
13:41.40HachimanAlthough if I recall Klingon are passionate and selfish as much as they are traditional
13:41.44dromWormy_: Sith always cause problems, and they are always the culcrit to all problems
13:42.42TechnobliteratorI don't find the F2P model for SWTOR bad at all
13:42.48Wormy_Klingons would probably develop more quickly as apprentices, giving their Sith Master less survival time
13:43.14TechnobliteratorNone of it is P2W, and all of it allows them to earn money from people who actually care about the game while not earn money from those who don't
13:43.22dromSith cause problems for the other Sith as well
13:43.42dromI know that from my experience of the Dark Temple missions
13:43.48Wormy_As a STO player, it does come across as awfully restrictive.
13:43.48HachimanThe Sith manner of promotion is actually conveniently similar to the method of Klingon promotion in their society
13:44.01TechnobliteratorIf I am able to play SWTOR again - which will depend on how good my Windows emulation will be - then I'll probably pay to level up quicker
13:44.29AdmiralPandadrom: Not sure how the kit system works, but if your loot is either locked or overleveled there should be a vendor you can pick up some whites from
13:44.33TechnobliteratorI don't like SWTOR nearly as much as I like FFXIV, though :p
13:44.37AdmiralPandathat would sound so creepy if we weren't talking about MMOs
13:44.57Technobliteratorhahaha
13:44.58AdmiralPandaspeaking of FFXIV, my interest in that game has finally died
13:45.04Technobliteratorwhat happened?
13:45.14Wormy_In STO you can do about everything, though you lack the *really* cool toys and extras (though you can buy them individually).  STO makes a lot of money from advertisement alone
13:46.10dromI am in fact a MMO veteran, former WoW player. And I find SWTOR very restrictive, and grindy like every MMO.
13:46.33TechnobliteratorI hate how grindy MMOs are
13:46.51dromAlmost every of EA's games are grindy
13:46.55dromSims?
13:46.57TechnobliteratorI have yet to return to FFXIV on PS4 and get to 60 >.<
13:46.59Technobliteratorbbl
13:47.18AdmiralPandabasically everything I like about MMOs can be summed up as "open-world pvp" and the fishing wasn't enough to keep me interested in the meantime
13:47.52dromI predict that F2P and MMO are going to be the pillage of game industry.
13:48.21Wormy_STO can get boring when between episodes or final level.  Then in the current series, you get about one episode per level and some of them are not even story missions but patrol ones, which is really annoying when you've spent the last two days grinding through.
13:50.38dromI do like STO, but if I compare the graphics and style with SWTOR. I'd pick SWTOR for the graphics and models
13:51.50AdmiralPandaI really haven't enjoyed MMOs themselves unless there's an open world pvp component, I just love the tactical elements of those environments
13:51.58AdmiralPandaespecially when there's territory to be claimed and held
13:52.26AdmiralPandaI've been a part of eighty a side wars over a patch of tuna before, so it doesn't even have to be a game-vital objective XD
13:52.36dromI don't like PvP MMO
13:52.59dromMy favorite PvP game happens to be FPS
13:53.03dromE.g. TF2
13:54.09dromTF2 is the one and the only F2P game done right IMO
13:54.31AdmiralPandafor me there's no greater challenge to be had, because it's so much more than just knowledge and reflexes required for dungeons
13:55.07AdmiralPandaLoL's system is arguably better since there's no physical way to purchase power, which you can to an extent in TF2
13:55.31dromDifferent weapons yes.
13:55.48dromIn fact the F2P players can craft them by themselves after a while
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13:56.05GhelaeHello.
13:56.08dromIt takes experience to master TF2
13:56.19dromOh hello Ghel
13:56.19AdmiralPandait takes experience to master most games
13:56.50dromAbout dungeons, I've never experienced the requirement for reflexes.
13:57.03dromJust knowledge, and yourself.
13:57.21AdmiralPandathen you've never had to deal with telegraphed AoE attacks
13:57.30AdmiralPandaor, you know, mechanics in general
13:58.06dromOh yeah, it was my WoW-experience speaking for me. The only class I did do was Paladin
13:58.38dromMajor DPS/Support role, otherwise they can be useful as Tank.
13:59.30dromAll I had to do was to be aware of what's happening, and spam all the available abilities docked on my quickbars
14:00.44AdmiralPandaeven early WoW content required solid reflexes, and for late-game dungeons they're a necessity
14:02.55AdmiralPandabut yeah, ultimately open world pvp requires a great deal more knowledge, since unlike dungeons the conditions of battle change every battle, and often every few minutes
14:05.27dromFor me, the Open-world PVP in WoW required me alot of attention, paranoia, knowledge and patience.
14:05.55dromSince there were alot of high-level players ganking on every low-level players.
14:06.01dromSo it was a quick "nah" for me
14:06.23dromWarzones is just the same story for me
14:06.50AdmiralPandathat's because Blizzard doesn't know how to do open world pvp
14:07.43dromI wasn't really for the idea of Open World PvP anyway. Unless it treats all players equally
14:08.30AdmiralPandaEudemons Online for example outright didn't let you attack anyone a certain bracket of levels below you, and gave you rewards if you either killed a lot of people your level or higher without dying, or by killing someone who had done the same
14:08.48AdmiralPandathere was literally no reward for attacking anyone weaker than you, so ganking just didn't exist
14:09.18dromGTA5's Online has open-world PvP but all the players were restricted to a levelning system called "reputation", where it controlled which items you would get access to.
14:09.49dromThe reward from killing other players is little. Unless it is an "insane" player.
14:10.31Wormy_drom:  I can't believe New Zealand's flag candidates include memes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-33851165
14:12.03dromWormy_: What did you do expect though?
14:12.43Wormy_dunno
14:12.45dromIf Britain had 4chan for their government, I'm pretty sure that they'd pass through referendum to change the flag to a pepe.
14:13.56AdmiralPandayou can quite easily tell when a game has well designed open world systems, Archeage being one of the best- it was expensive to be able to get to the point that you could reach rare resource nodes in the ocean, so people going out there got a LOT of players together, and organised war guilds were some of the best people I ever met
14:15.16AdmiralPandait was surprising how passionate eighty people could be about forming a defensive cordon around a school of tuna
14:16.36TechnobliteratorAdmiralPanda, I will agree the game is really not designed around PvP at all
14:16.47TechnobliteratorBut PvP does not interest me, so I'm fine with it :p
14:17.37MonetI'd wondered about signing up to Archage
14:17.54Wormy_Hachiman:  So I'm reading that the Hiroshima bomb created gigantic firenadoes that devoured whole buildings that were left standing http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_8079/index.html
14:18.47dromI've googled Archage, it seems beautiful and has definitely potential. But I'm concerned about its playbility
14:18.57AdmiralPandaMonet: Don't, it was good for a while, but the devs are twats
14:19.05AdmiralPandaits potential was realised, and then it passed
14:19.34TechnobliteratorI haven't gotten into an MMO that is designed around PvP
14:19.46TechnobliteratorI always hated how SWTOR forces you to start with either Empire or Republic
14:19.53AdmiralPandathey're the only ones I can get into, the gameplay gets stale really fast
14:19.59Technobliteratorwhy can't it let you start neutral and chose to join one of them?
14:20.06Technobliteratorchoose*
14:20.14TechnobliteratorIt was always stupid to me
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14:20.46TechnobliteratorYou have to know beforehand which you want to join - which you can't possibly know for certain - and why the fuck would Bounty Hunters and Smugglers be tied to either faction?
14:21.17ImperiosHi
14:21.21ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/10280089/14392156111410.gif
14:21.31ImperiosTechnobliterator: Because Han Solo and Boba Fett
14:21.31TechnobliteratorAnd then the whole, choose to be a Jedi or Sith thing, the main decision making plot point in KOTOR, completely got rid of by this absurd garbage
14:21.42TechnobliteratorThe light side and dark side options are useless
14:21.59ImperiosIt depends on the class
14:22.01TechnobliteratorYou will always choose light side options if you are Republic, and always choose dark side options if you are Empire
14:22.13MonetNot always
14:22.15ImperiosFor the Sith Inquisitor side choices are different
14:22.15TechnobliteratorThere is no reason to not do that, it takes away the whole decision making
14:22.19ImperiosAnd have a very large role
14:22.29ImperiosTechnobliterator: I have a light side Sith Warrior
14:22.31TechnobliteratorThe only, only reason they did this was to follow WoW
14:22.35Technobliteratorhow
14:22.37ImperiosYou basically play as an honourable anti-villain
14:22.43Imperiosa bit like Darth Vader perhaps
14:22.55Technobliteratorbut does that not mean
14:22.56MonetI've seen some light side options in Sith Empire stories have a bigger effect than the dark side choices
14:23.05Technobliteratoryou do not have access to several powers
14:23.26MonetLike letting refugees form Nar Shadda go - who wil ltell their friends and family to stay well away from Nar Shadda
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14:23.56ImperiosTechnobliterator: No I still have Force Choke but there are only a few powers that are dark side-exclusive
14:24.15TechnobliteratorRight
14:24.24TechnobliteratorOkay, so LS/DS still works
14:24.32ImperiosThing is, as a light side Imperial, you are still fighting for the bad guys, but your methods are different
14:24.35TechnobliteratorBut I find it pretty ridiculous how they designed it around that
14:24.51ImperiosA LS Imperial is more restrained, noble and respectful, not an outright goody-two-shoes
14:25.09TechnobliteratorThey should've made it like an MMO which lets you choose your PVP faction
14:25.36TechnobliteratorHave the first 10 or 15 levels or so be as a neutral character, then the story drastically changes when you choose to join one of them
14:25.46ImperiosSo like the Pandaren storyline in WoW?
14:26.02TechnobliteratorOr if it's Bounty Hunter or Smuggler, the story barely changes, since those don't even make sense to be tied to a faction
14:26.03Technobliteratorsure
14:26.34MonetTechnobliterator: THey make sense i nthe backstory
14:26.37TechnobliteratorI know they did it to base it on Boba Fett and Han Solo respectively, but it makes no sense in-universe
14:26.51MonetSmugglers were hired by the Republic to break a Mandalorian blockade.
14:27.11TechnobliteratorIf I was designing SWTOR 2, I would definitely do that
14:27.13ImperiosAnd BHs are hired to hunt important Republican politicians AFAIK
14:27.17MonetWhile the Sith Empire used infiltration to install a puppet Mandalore.
14:28.16MonetThe thing about the Jedi and Sith is this isn't Episode IV
14:28.46MonetBoth sides were trained, from childhood (well, apart fro mthe Inquisitor) into their respective orders
14:28.55TechnobliteratorThey make sense in the game's backstory, they do not make sense in the universe' backstory
14:29.27TechnobliteratorThere is no reason for every single Bounty Hunter, or every single Smuggler, to be tied to either faction when both have backgrounds in neither
14:29.29AdmiralPandaso it doesn't make sense for Han to align himself with the rebels because he's a smuggler
14:29.35MonetBounty hunters were also hired by the Sith for their reputation as Jedi-killers
14:30.15AdmiralPandathere's a little principle that basically goes like this: all PCs are X, but not all X are PCs
14:30.30AdmiralPandaso no, not every single bounty hunter and smuggler is aligned in that way, but all PC ones are
14:30.36ImperiosYa
14:30.39TechnobliteratorHan's reasoning for aligning with the rebels was not because he was a smuggler, no
14:30.53ImperiosAnd, as Monet said, Jedi and Sith are trained in their respective orders
14:30.53dromFinally!
14:30.56TechnobliteratorIt just happened to be that way in the film, and SWTOR is based off the film's characters
14:30.56dromFinaaaaaaly!
14:31.22MonetTechnobliterator: Actually being a smugler helped as he was being huinted by the Empire
14:31.27AdmiralPandathat's not what I meant, I mean according to your logic Han cannot align himself with the rebellion because he is a smuggler and therefore cannot be aligned with anything
14:31.38TechnobliteratorAnd throughout the first two films, it is clear that Han Solo was not tied to the cause at all
14:32.08Wormy_Whats being a "darker" side Jedi like then?
14:32.16TechnobliteratorIf Han Solo was a Bounty Hunter in the films and Boba Fett was a Smuggler, we would see the reverse, and the Bounty Hunters would be on the side of the rebels
14:32.41ImperiosWormy_: Being rebellious and ruthless mostly
14:32.42Wormy_Probably like my main DCP characters
14:32.43MonetPerhaps another reason is the PCs are playing the classes who are *alowed* movement in their respective factions. There probably are smugglers in Sith Empire space, but they're too busy running from the Imperial navy, and none of those non-permitted smugglers would go close to the citadel at Kaas City in a million years.
14:32.44dromFunny that Boba Fett can be lit-translated to "bobsleighing fat"
14:32.51ImperiosYou break the rules and kill everyone
14:33.22TechnobliteratorAnyway, if we're going with the all PCs are X, but not all X are PCs, then even in that case, it can easily be explained how a neutral Jedi or Sith can exist
14:33.25TechnobliteratorBoth KOTOR games did it
14:33.44Technobliteratorthe first in a cleverer way than the second, to be fair
14:33.51dromI find it quite sad that there is only Trooper for Republic/Rebel
14:33.51MonetYou can be a Grey Jedi in KOTOR.
14:33.56Monetin SWTOR*
14:34.17dromIn most, if not all SW games, the Imperial had troopers.
14:34.24Wormy_Right.  Well I thought that was the Jedi Order, like when they killed off the Mandalorians led by Dooku as a Jedi
14:34.54MonetOkay here's the other thing about PC classes in MMO games: The PCs are special.
14:35.12Monetthe Emprie does have troopers, but they're all basically cannon fodder.
14:35.13ImperiosI never levelled a Jedi past level 10 so I can't tell
14:35.21TechnobliteratorI just think it's silly how they forced it to be the case in a Star Wars MMO, but oh well
14:35.32MonetThe Republic Soldier is Special Ops.
14:35.34dromMonet: Republic troopers were cannon fodder as well
14:35.36ImperiosI think it's just the matter of iconicity
14:35.39TechnobliteratorI don't know if I'm on the same server as you lot, but I could be
14:35.42dromSpecifically the guards
14:35.56TechnobliteratorI will need to create a character in whatever faction you lot are
14:35.56Monetdrom: The game strongly implies Havok Squad isn't cannon fodder material
14:36.12ImperiosAll classes in SWTOR are supposed to be based on famous characters
14:36.23dromAnything can be cannonfodder
14:36.48dromI've encountered alot of cannon fodder Sith
14:36.58ImperiosSith Warrior is either Vader or Grievous depending on the spec
14:37.06ImperiosSith Inquisitor is either Palpatine or Maul
14:37.11ImperiosImperial Agent is Tarkin
14:37.20ImperiosAnd BH is either one of the Fetts
14:37.27MonetThis is going back to what I said a few minutes ago: All PCs are supposed to be special individuals.
14:37.44MonetThat's what MMOs often do.
14:38.30TechnobliteratorThat is what MMOs have to do or the story would be boring
14:38.34Technobliterator:    |
14:38.34ImperiosJedi Knight is Anakin and/or Luke, Jedi Consular is Obi-Wan, Smuggler is obviously Han and Troopers represent the Clone Troopers
14:38.34ImperiosEtc
14:38.57TechnobliteratorI didn
14:39.08Technobliterator't like how limited the cyborg options were, but oh well
14:39.16ImperiosOne thing, though: MMOs often rely on separating its playerbase for PvP and to deepen the immersion
14:39.39ImperiosIt's like with politics: WoW players hate each other more than they hate Blizzard
14:39.42TechnobliteratorProgenitor is the server, right?
14:39.45MonetYes
14:39.53drom_swtorAye
14:39.59AdmiralPandathe most interesting divide I've seen was in Eudemons, the factions were essentially chaos versus order and their class variants reflected that
14:40.02drom_swtorMonet: What's the name of our Guild?
14:40.20drom_swtorI'd like to join it soon as possible. So I can get the 10% xp bonus
14:40.30MonetHavok Squad for instance is assigned missions 10 times more critical than what the bulk of the Republic Army is assaigned to do.
14:40.34ImperiosAdmiralPanda: Hm? Elaborate
14:41.02Monetdrom_swtor: "The Phaedric Order" I think
14:41.08TechnobliteratorAh, I am not on that server
14:41.16TechnobliteratorI will need to make a character on it
14:41.40TechnobliteratorWhat guild name?
14:41.43drom_swtorTechnobliterator: In case you need help or boost, you can always ask us
14:41.44Technobliteratorer
14:41.53Technobliteratorwhat guild faction?
14:41.58MonetEmpire
14:42.10TechnobliteratorI will be Sith Warrior then
14:42.11drom_swtorImperial
14:42.14Technobliteratorbecause tanks
14:42.21drom_swtorhonk
14:42.29drom_swtorMonet: Are you Agent Sniper, right?
14:42.34TechnobliteratorThat is, if I can get the game to play on my emulator
14:42.44AdmiralPandaorder got the Champion, who had buffs and group skills, chaos got the Reaver who instead had disrupting crowd control and the ability to break cross-class synergies
14:42.56Monetdrom_swtor: OPerative
14:43.07drom_swtorOh, I'm an operative as well
14:43.28Technobliteratorok bbl
14:43.34drom_swtorLet's see. That will be... 2 Imperial Operatives, 1 Sith Inquistior and 1 Sith Warrior
14:43.55drom_swtorDoes Cyrannian play on Progenitor as well?
14:44.15MonetYes
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14:48.05drom_swtorshakes Cyrabot
14:54.26ImperiosI would play but broken videocard
15:13.31drom_swtorGot my own starship now
15:24.35drom_swtorWormy_: I'm curretly on mission on Korriban
15:24.44drom_swtorTechno: Playing Swtor now eh?
15:35.31TechnobliteratorIf it works
15:44.32Wormy_I'll be playing SWTOr tonight
15:44.54Wormy_I wanna work on my projects in Maya and programming first lol
15:46.21drom_swtorToo late, I left the planet
15:47.55drom_swtorTechnobliterator: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27088
15:48.37TechnobliteratorI don't tend to trust winehq
15:48.56TechnobliteratorThey're based solely on reports from a few users, who will have widely varying specs
15:59.53drom_swtorI've never understood the MMO's mount system
16:00.11drom_swtorWhy all the high prices for training and all the high prices for the mounts?
16:00.25MonetIts a one-time purchase.
16:00.35MonetFor osmething you'd regoing to end up usign constantly
16:01.15MonetI've never known the MMO mount system to be cheap
16:02.51Wormy_drom:  I'l be leaving for Drummond Kaas anyway
16:03.13drom_swtorI've never seen the mount/piloting training being one-time purshance
16:03.16drom_swtorpurchase*
16:03.39MonetReally?
16:04.00MonetYou buy the skill, you buy the mount, you won't be buying more for ages
16:04.17drom_swtorFrom what I've seen, the SWTOR's system still seems to be unique to character
16:04.25MonetAnd if you do buy an extra mount its likely either for that speed upgrade or for vanity purposes.
16:05.29drom_swtorMonet: Some mounts/speeders can also offer different attributes, but in SWTOR, they only offer speed and protection against being knocked off your mount
16:06.07drom_swtorEither the way, it is just all Grinding 101
16:06.10MonetYeah but the better ones are usually a higher-level standard
16:06.34MonetTwo speeders and training against replacing all your other gear every 4 levels
16:08.43dromDespite of the cost of training, the abilities are as well one-time purchases
16:08.57dromAnd they so far free
16:09.03dromas I've seen
16:09.25MonetThey used to pe paid for until a recent-ish revamp
16:09.34dromI know that these are far more upgradable, but the piloting is as well upgradeable
16:09.35dromdum
16:09.47MonetIt was once quite common in MMOs to pay for skills.
16:10.35dromsomehow I'm starting to hate this game and all MMOs already
16:11.26MonetIt might be to do with how restrictive the F2P model is
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16:11.50MonetHello
16:12.07dino82_hello all!
16:12.11Technobliteratorhi dino
16:12.18MonetNo game is truly free to play though, those without a subscription model tend to come with a big cash shop
16:12.45dromMonet: Microtransactions yeah
16:14.30dromMonet: Be careful with the friends you trust http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/441703405780026562/1A035E1317F21798AA5DAC53F7591661F2ABD395/
16:15.00Monetglub glun
16:15.28dromMonet: Oh you reminded me of that god in Crawl
16:15.36drom"Glub glub glub"
16:17.19dromAnd his only answer if you choose to taunt him: "Gluuuuuuuuub!"
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16:18.50dromNeedless to say, he is a god associated with fish and big fat catfish monsters. Taunting him will make you a fat and slow catfish for whole of the game.
16:20.32MonetHello
16:20.59dino82_how is allz doing?
16:21.04dromOh hello
16:22.55Monetdoing okay
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16:23.49CatfaceHi.
16:25.01dromMonet: This guy http://i.imgur.com/Kuo9I86.png
16:25.32MonetHi Catface. Long time no see.
16:26.35CatfaceYeah, I've been busy.
16:26.45Wormy_hi
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16:27.58OfficerJackalDamnit, I sometimes forget that symbol infront.
16:28.20CatfaceWormy_: Have you ever heard of a show called Rick and Morty?
16:29.26Wormy_Nope
16:30.15dino82_@Monet: Great to hear :D
16:30.16Wormy_You may have shown me a clip, not sure.
16:30.37dromIn fact I do!
16:31.00CatfaceWormy_: I think you'd like it. It's about a mad, alcoholic scientist and his idiot grandson.
16:31.51Wormy_I'll have to awatchi it sometime
16:31.55Wormy_watch it
16:32.40dromMan I don't know anymore...
16:33.02CatfaceWormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIolNCxxGfQ
16:34.57Technobliteratoroh, hi catface
16:35.01Technobliteratorhow's stuff :o
16:35.05CatfaceHi.
16:35.09CatfaceStuff is fine.
16:35.17Wormy_lol
16:35.41Wormy_Ratboy Genius has some new vids
16:37.21TechnobliteratorThis is good
16:48.44dromOluapPlayer: "One of my mothers is carrying the decapitated head of her baby instead of the mace I assigned her."
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17:13.57dromMarvel Comics surely love to create many instances of Earth and put different versions of their own history into them
17:15.21HachimanThat is kind of Marvel and DC's schtick
17:15.32HachimanAlternate Earths and such
17:18.16Wormy_It is quite possible there is an infinite number of instances that relate back to Earth's formation in the quantum multiverse, and a bigger infinity of Earths formed by coincidence.
17:18.55dromIt makes for me harder to follow the actual history as that distracts me
17:19.01Wormy_Making it, humanity and you an eternal fixture in all creation
17:21.20HachimanDC and Marvel's continuities are somewhat rather convoluted I must say
17:21.47HachimanWhen one considers all of the different continuities, retcons, and alternate universes and such
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17:39.48OluapPlayerGoddamn internet
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17:44.02OluapPlayerSPOO
17:44.10Xhofuk UUUUUUUUUUUUUU
17:44.34OluapPlayerhttps://vine.co/v/edBl3O3dw5F from Garry's twitter
17:44.57XhoGarry Newman in a nutshell
17:45.48OluapPlayerangry moon pls
17:46.33Xhofien
18:00.49Catfacethrows a trout on Xho
18:01.00Xhooh ok
18:02.20CatfaceHave you heard the new-ish Nile song?
18:03.11XhoNope?
18:04.43Catfacehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVqclCr4fI
18:07.40dino82_new chapter of Lost in Space: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Lost_in_Space#Chapter_06
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18:10.51XhoNew wi-fi is shiiiite
18:11.14OluapPlayerwee fee
18:11.58dromGarry will do good as Rockstar's next CEO
18:14.19dromMonet: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Hypocritical_Humor_503.jpg
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18:21.59dromOh god, it took me a while to understand that Carl Bark's Brutopia in Donald Duck comic is actually a satire of Soviet Union
18:25.14dromTypical depiction of Brutopia: http://fr.liberpedia.org/fr/images/d/df/Brutn1.jpg
19:17.50dino82_new rambo ship: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:OberthClass01.png
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19:20.03ImpyDroidHi
19:20.07MonetHi
19:23.46dino82_hello
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19:46.33OluapPlayerreturn of the spu
19:47.36Xhoneva
19:48.12OluapPlayerI should let you know I started playing Fallout 3
19:48.50OluapPlayerI killed a Super Mutant, his ragdoll started spazzing angrily then launched itself into the sky and out of view
19:48.54OluapPlayerbethesda.jpg
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19:59.15Zillafire101Good day all.
20:01.00dino82_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Oberth-Class
20:01.04dino82_hello Zilla
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20:08.06MonetHello
20:08.58CuttlefishHi
20:09.15XhoOluapPlayer: Welcome to Fallout hur
20:09.26dino82_bye bye all
20:10.13XhoSo I followed Trevor as Michael on GTA V during free play
20:10.26XhoYou follow him long enough, Trevor turns around and headbutts you to the ground
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20:10.30XhoCue wasted
20:11.04ImperiosHi
20:11.36ImperiosXho OluapPlayer: I presume the last part of Wrath of Night will only be between you two, right?
20:11.49XhoNo the last section is done between all of us
20:12.32ImperiosRight
20:12.39ImperiosWe do it now?
20:14.06XhoRather not
20:14.52ImperiosRoight
20:15.08ImperiosI'll be free in Wednesday, Korean lesson tomorrow sorry
20:15.21ImperiosOr is it at Wednesday
20:23.39OluapPlayerXho: Will I miss much by not playing the DLC? I couldn't download a version with these working
20:24.17XhoWell
20:24.35XhoBroken Steel is kind of essential if you want to play the game past completing the main storyline
20:25.19OluapPlayerWell poop
20:25.39Hachiman>pirating Fallout 3
20:25.41HachimanWhy
20:26.25OluapPlayerDo I look like I can afford games
20:31.57OluapPlayerye thought so
20:39.07MonetXho: I read that al lthree of the characters do that
20:39.15XhoYeah
20:39.42MonetThe closest I got was once accidentally whacking Michael in the head with a golf club.
20:40.20MonetIt led to a rather hilarious chase between the police and Franklin in a golf caddy.
20:50.35dromFace of an Angel, Mind of a Demon
20:52.21drom"Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens."
20:55.04MonetI think that best sums me up lol
20:55.36MonetI've been considered good-looking on occasion but I know some dark places man. Some very dark places.
20:55.40dromYeah, I'm quite building my fiction around it for the moment.
20:56.20MonetI'd say the darkest fiction I've authored is Paragon's Descent
20:57.05dromDark is evil
20:57.19dromLight is evil
20:57.22dromChoose one
20:58.45Wormy_SWTORSo I started SWTOR, its filled half the screen and has gone psychedelic
20:59.06dromAh oh, have a tip!
20:59.16Wormy_SWTORBIOWARE keeps ex-podling into pixels on a green background wtf
20:59.38MonetWormy_SWTOR: Try turning off bloom effects
20:59.38dromIf you want to exit the game, try going that by killing the process, not by clicking on the Exit button, it is a trap.
21:00.04Monetdrom: There's one scene where an infuriated Uriel rips out Alessa's tongue with his hand and cauterises the stump.
21:00.08Wormy_SWTORI can't even reach the exit button hur
21:00.46Wormy_SWTORUgh, my drivers have fucked up now my screen is magnified
21:00.53Wormy_SWTORbrb
21:01.02dromWormy_SWTOR: I mean the "Exit to Desktop" or basically any of those buttons that exits the game
21:01.17dromIf I do that, my game gets stuck and use up ALL of my RAM.
21:02.18dromMonet: I'm basically building on this idea, but cut the religious part. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LightIsNotGood
21:02.35XhoOh look it's the good side of my fiction
21:02.46dromhur
21:02.57dromAnyway, in contrast to that, there is "Bright is not good"
21:03.10Monetdrom: So basically the faction looks nice and pleasant and enjoys bright aesthetics while inside their hearts are as black as coal?
21:03.50Xhohttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice Actually this is more like my fiction
21:04.09XhoLonginus is the embodiment of this trope
21:04.16dromThat too, Xho. Monet, yes. To an extent.
21:04.59dromXho: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FaceOfAnAngelMindOfADemon
21:05.20XhoNone of my fiction's like that hur
21:05.27XhoEven the good guys are evil looking
21:05.56dromThere is "Evil is Nice"
21:06.15dromOpposite to "Evil is Evil", which obvious
21:06.47Xhohttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DivinelyAppearingDemons This happens as well
21:06.56dromMonet: But bascially, DCP and GEC but not "Obviously Evil"
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21:07.20Wormy_hi
21:07.44Wormy_Had to reset my screen resolution wtf
21:07.53Wormy_tries again
21:08.01Monetdrom: I suppose a few Draconid politicians could count as that
21:08.07Cuttlefishhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreyAndGrayMorality I love it when both sides of a conflict have legitimate viewpoints but handle it in a jerky way
21:09.06MonetBecause of their weath, I imagine a number of praetors will dress themselves up to look charming.
21:09.11Monetwealth*
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21:09.34XhoWait wait wait what are we on about
21:09.43dromStill about tropes
21:10.11dromSpecifically Black (Evil) Goals and White (Good) Morale
21:10.56Wormy_SWTORO_o, SWTOR's window isn't even opening this time
21:10.59dromIn my opinion, the Imperial Agent and Bounty Hunter in SWTOR are is an extreme case of his.
21:11.02dromthis*
21:11.08CuttlefishI imagine the shellious love to play the victim about how the awful TIAF invaded the pacifist imperium while also ignoring the fact they are actually jerks when it comes to helping their allies
21:12.01Wormy_SWTORThis game is being more trouble than its worth.  I'm not reinstalling it, it can go if I can't get it play tonight
21:12.08Monetdrom: I don't know if the Bounty Huunter counts
21:12.44MonetThen again my BH is bald, has facial implants and and has half his face covered in burn scars.
21:12.47dromMonet: I don't know, but I believe that the Hunter can pick to spare or kill, up to the Player's morale though
21:13.13Monetdrom: Yeah, you can do that.
21:13.16CatfaceOluapPlayer: If I didn't just spend like $900 on my gaming computer I would buy you Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
21:13.20CuttlefishMy bounty hunter is light sided
21:13.32MonetThough considering that live bounties often pay better I don't know if that counts as good morals
21:13.38dromYou can do as well as Imperial Agent
21:14.12CuttlefishThough even i killed tarro blood without mercy. that asshole
21:14.36dromI spared Nem'ro's guard litentuant
21:14.43dromForgot his name
21:15.30MonetIs it good morals or having your mind on the money when you spare because they're worth more alive?
21:16.31CuttlefishMako uses the justification that the bounties are usually being targeted because they are terrible people who deserve to die
21:16.33dromWell he had a family
21:16.50dromAnd I piss on the Sith
21:18.20CuttlefishI usually pick light side options cause dark side stuff can get pretty icky. Like there was this one thing where you could like cut off the evocii man's head and send it to his wife in a bag
21:18.46dromAnyway, this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsBoring and http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralityKitchenSink
21:19.15MonetCuttlefish: I don't know why but that sounds so dickish it's funny.
21:19.16XhoApparently I have murderous glare
21:19.19Xhoa*
21:19.55CuttlefishIdk man I think it's kinda sadistic
21:20.27XhoSounds like one of those random extreme options in Fallout
21:20.29MonetSOunds like textbook Sith behaviour to me
21:21.42CuttlefishI like writing murderous characters sometimes in my non-sporwiki things, but I really wouldn't feel comfortable playing a character in a video game who does that jazz
21:22.16CuttlefishLike you don't even get paid it's just pointlessly cruel
21:22.17dromCuttlefish: Reminds me of the Dark Temple mission where you helped an slave possessed by a dead Sith Lord. He asked me to tell the Empire to send more expihiditons. I later told Empire not to
21:22.40dromBut that place got me chills running up my spine
21:22.45dromBecase that*
21:23.11CuttlefishI thought it was kinda cool. I like ghosty shit
21:23.16XhoYou wouldn't like my Fallout 3 playthrough hur
21:23.23XhoEveryone that can die is dead
21:23.58Wormy_SWTORdrom:  Fixed, I entered some code into the client interface and now its in windowed mode
21:24.50dromXho: I always do these playthroughs, except I reload when I get bored.
21:25.00Wormy_SWTORI typed in "Fullscreen = false" if you ever encounter the issue
21:25.04dromI do love using the lighting spells, just because...
21:25.07dromexploding heads
21:25.09dromis fun
21:25.57dromhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDogShotFirst
21:26.02CuttlefishI do think it's a little funny how many times the inquisitor has "shock them" as a dialogue option. It's so excessive that it becomes funny
21:28.01OluapPlayerI'm too friendly to do that
21:28.09OluapPlayerI'll be the friendliest wanderer ever
21:28.23OluapPlayerExcept for the things that want to kill me then I won't be so friendly
21:29.23XhoIn Fallout I'm the sadistic racist who killed an entire town and doomed the Wasteland, destroyed the Brotherhood of Steel as well as a slave master and a cannibal
21:29.47XhoI'm surprised the game doesn't give you the option to have hellfire pop out of your skull along with horns and a tail
21:30.00OluapPlayerdis is real world not fantasy
21:30.12Xhoi sed fallout u
21:30.22OluapPlayerWhen do I come across Dogmeat?
21:30.35XhoYou have to go to the Scrapyard
21:30.43XhoYou'll find Dogmeat there
21:30.51MonetI advise waiting a few levels
21:30.51OluapPlayerLast thing I did was talk to Three Dog
21:30.55XhoThough I'd recommend being a higher level first
21:31.01XhoLike 13 +
21:31.04OluapPlayerWhich's fittingly close by name but most definitely not a dog
21:31.06MonetHigh-level dogmeat is borderlien immortal.
21:31.29XhoFallout is really sadistic at level 30
21:31.33OluapPlayerI hear funny stories about Dogmeat
21:32.03MonetMy Dogmeat has killed albino radscorpions
21:32.11MonetBest. Dog. Ever
21:32.19OluapPlayerI'm level 5 I think. Didn't really do much other than the main storyline as far as I can tell
21:32.20dromWormy_SWTOR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUDcSeUvkOw
21:32.38dromI lode ED-E
21:32.42dromlove*
21:32.46dromfuck this keyboard
21:33.17dromin fact
21:33.18Wormy_SWTORsuch nonsense many wow
21:33.32XhoThere are places that you should massively avoid though until you're a higher level
21:33.33dromED-E > every companion of fallout
21:34.01XhoOld Olney and Deathclaw Sanctuary comes to mind
21:34.22XhoReasons are obvious
21:34.26OluapPlayerI wouldn't deliberately go to somewhere called Deathclaw Sanctuary to begin with hur
21:34.42Xhoheh
21:35.00Xhohttp://i.imgur.com/ABy88gg.jpg
21:35.17XhoEven at the level cap that place is evil
21:36.19CuttlefishThat dog thing was the best game ending I have ever seen.
21:36.29XhoIs that the Silent Hill one?
21:38.03dromSilent Hill 2, yea
21:38.27CuttlefishI love joke endings
21:39.07XhoHomecoming's joke ending is pretty good
21:39.27XhoOr is it Homecoming...I can't remember
21:39.57XhoNo, Downpour's
21:41.32CuttlefishAnyone ever see the ending of time bandits?
21:41.38MonetI have
21:41.58MonetQuite a downer that
21:42.12CuttlefishI thought it was hilarious
21:42.31MonetBut the boy ended u pwith no parents
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21:42.58The_RandomnessHello
21:43.02dromHEEEEY
21:43.28MonetHello
21:43.36CuttlefishBecoming an orphan is sad, but the level of absurdity that wnt into it makes it funny. Absurdity is the foundation of comedy
21:43.38dromMonet: This also exists http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality
21:45.39dromHow about a little nice time of ol SWTOR?
21:49.59XhoSantorakh - cheese and tea
21:50.42dromI think I can hear faint fox barking
21:51.46dromCuttlefish, you still play SWTOR?
21:52.26CuttlefishRarely. I moved to another house and the computer here cannot support it, so I rarely get the chance
21:52.34dromI see.
21:57.25Xho" More Teeth than the Osmond Family"
21:57.29XhoOh that makes me laugh
22:10.01dromBleh, SWTOR bored once again out me
22:10.02Technobliteratoryay for JS being fucked for ages
22:10.14dromhm?
22:15.07dromTechnobliterator: What's up now?
22:16.24TechnobliteratorDue to security issues, it is down globally for a few days
22:16.33The_RandomnessJS?
22:17.40dromJavaScript
22:17.49The_RandomnessRight, was just making sure
22:17.58dromUse it outside web development, you are a dead man to me
22:18.05The_Randomnesslol
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22:30.15XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcttRXrQto 1:10 holy shit I found Spu
22:30.19drom"15th Slate: Have finished another amulet. This one of sandstone. It menaces with spikes of sandstone. It menaces with spikes of leather. It depicts an image of a tree. It depicts an image of a dwarf. The dwarf is making a rude gesture at the tree. "
22:30.21dromlmao
22:31.06OluapPlayerPrehistoric Spu
22:33.43drom"huddah hudduh uduuh"
22:36.12XhoMy animation's certainly improved since then
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22:42.13DecopodianEmpireHey guys
22:42.19DecopodianEmpirenew system for the irc?
22:42.20The_RandomnessHello
22:44.57DecopodianEmpireHachiman: I am sending an application to join the Andromedan Common Wealth
22:48.33dromhttp://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Bloodline:Boatmurdered
22:49.10dromDecopodianEmpire: If I can recall correctly from last time you talked, I think Hachi told you to speak with Monet.
22:50.33DecopodianEmpirereally? sorry last time i said this i had 1 internet bar and it kept flashing from limited to connected every 2 seconds so alli  could see was what i was saying
22:50.43MonetTHat's fine
22:50.46MonetI'll look at it
22:50.59dromI see.
22:52.43DecopodianEmpiredude i did'nt write an aplication i just asked to join
22:52.59DecopodianEmpireis it a requirement to create a writen application?
22:53.13MonetGuess not,
22:53.39DecopodianEmpireok XD
22:53.40dromIt is not. But it is the icing on the cake.
22:54.04DecopodianEmpireoh well we can do without the extra calories
22:56.02dromEven if I look like one, I'm not the actual representative, but I'm always happy to help.
22:56.12DecopodianEmpirecoolio
22:58.26dromOh fuck off Norton
22:58.38dromLet me use the Starter Pack goddamnit
23:03.31DecopodianEmpiremonet do you need a copy of my page?
23:03.46DecopodianEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Decopodian_Empire
23:07.31MonetI'll  Include them but the page could do with a bit of work.
23:08.04DecopodianEmpireyes it was created 2 days ago
23:08.30DecopodianEmpirei have more which i am editing at the moment
23:08.59DecopodianEmpireany critique?
23:09.23The_RandomnessI would check it out, but I'm currently working on something at the moment
23:09.39DecopodianEmpiremmkay
23:09.54MonetI can provide a formatting template.
23:10.18MonetSomething ot organise it and maek it look nice. I see you're basing it off your Spore game
23:11.19DecopodianEmpirethe cell stage creature stage and civilization stage and tribal stage thing was added before i knew it wasnt supposed to be that connected to the game
23:12.07DecopodianEmpireit will probably be replaced by a proper history paragraph in the next update to the page
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23:17.39drom_this stupid tin-can of a computer
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23:21.22DrodoEmpireHi everyone
23:21.30OfficerJackalHeyo!
23:23.53MonetHello
23:27.05DecopodianEmpireHi Drodo
23:27.18drom_Hello
23:34.05drom_OluapPlayer: Looking on a freshly generated world in DF using an external program.
23:34.18drom_Turns out that one of the historical figures, is a bumblebee
23:38.43Hachimanolol
23:38.55drom_Oh shit, there is an Alligator in one of the civilizations
23:45.40drom_There is more!
23:50.26drom_Appearently some of them are pets used by humans
23:52.23drom_Like this guy. This guy. http://i.imgur.com/ZaeRenF.png
23:57.13drom_The dwarves aren't the only ones who hate elves

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