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| 00:10.19 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
| 00:12.14 | AdmiralPanda | how's everyone? |
| 00:13.02 | Hachiman | Good as far as I know |
| 00:13.54 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I'm good |
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| 08:04.14 | Luxor | I'm not the only one online? |
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| 08:59.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 09:44.20 | CyraBot2009 | Hello? |
| 09:51.55 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 10:20.11 | Wormy_ | Dolphins watching a human show http://imgur.com/gallery/FnDxsDQ |
| 10:23.03 | Wormy_ | Elegance http://imgur.com/gallery/ZnCRH |
| 10:24.57 | Wormy_ | I don't like pyramid fiood stacking, it forces you to take one ffrom the top and I prefer to rummage |
| 10:29.57 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/v6VwBlU |
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| 10:41.50 | Luxor | Hai |
| 10:45.41 | Monet | hi |
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| 10:49.29 | krow | Monet: Can I may ask about how many days does a year in the Draconid calendar have? |
| 10:50.33 | Monet | 360 local, 420 Earth |
| 10:53.18 | krow | 360 local, as in 360 days on Alcanti? |
| 10:54.12 | Monet | yes |
| 10:54.59 | krow | I see. |
| 10:59.03 | krow | Whatta about months? |
| 11:00.34 | Monet | 30 alcanti days each |
| 11:01.22 | Monet | 12 months in the year |
| 11:07.28 | krow | TekDroid: I found this factor, "3.6288E10D", in your Sporewiki clock used to calculate the DI date, what's that? |
| 11:10.59 | Liquid_Ink | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/07/a-racist-carrot-reclaims-australia?CMP=share_btn_fb |
| 11:15.59 | krow | The toaster one got me laughing harder than usual |
| 11:17.19 | Luxor | Mone', do you remmebr the pic I sent yesterday |
| 11:18.18 | Wormy_ | "Don't be so politically correct, I think it's funny!" |
| 11:18.28 | Wormy_ | oops wrong chat |
| 11:21.16 | krow | this class has "milliseconds since epoch" |
| 11:21.19 | krow | thank god for that |
| 11:23.16 | Luxor | http://imgur.com/o7lQaXx |
| 11:23.28 | Luxor | Finally managed to change that concept into (real) creature. |
| 11:23.40 | krow | nuteubad |
| 11:24.09 | Monet | Luxor: You mean the drawing? |
| 11:24.13 | Luxor | yup |
| 11:24.57 | Monet | I do |
| 11:26.13 | Luxor | How to troll america: http://kwejk.pl/obrazek/2394601/mapa-europy.html |
| 11:29.16 | Wormy_ | You have translated the two formats very well |
| 11:30.05 | Monet | Luxor: THat's pretty good. I love the trousers and the crest |
| 11:30.54 | Luxor | I wish assymetrical aprts worked for me |
| 11:31.10 | Luxor | Then I'd anjust the cap ant the hand to resemble concept |
| 11:31.18 | Luxor | and** |
| 11:31.27 | Luxor | parts* |
| 11:35.48 | Monet | Capes can als obe very difficult |
| 11:39.05 | Wormy_ | Is Boredom Worse Than Death? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi5HbZqzvlE |
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| 11:50.05 | Monet | Hi |
| 11:52.52 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:08.54 | krow | Apparently the clock doesn't include the leap day |
| 12:12.09 | krow | For reference: http://i.imgur.com/s9DoSUg.png |
| 12:15.05 | krow | Yet another sporewiki clock |
| 12:15.41 | krow | What's the current fictionverse time besides from Tek's clock? |
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| 12:18.58 | krow | Monet: [14:12] <krow> For reference: http://i.imgur.com/s9DoSUg.png [14:15] <krow> Yet another sporewiki clock [14:15] <krow> What's the current fictionverse time besides from Tek's clock? |
| 12:19.33 | Monet | 28...55? |
| 12:20.07 | krow | Yeah, that's using Tek's factors in his clock |
| 12:20.31 | Monet | AFAIK its supposed ot be 2809 |
| 12:20.51 | krow | About that, it's 2810 now |
| 12:21.07 | krow | But some resonate about 2803 |
| 12:21.29 | krow | So I need a proper calibration. |
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| 12:21.43 | Monet | Hello |
| 12:21.53 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:21.57 | Monet | Well i nterms of timescale we've often worked out that 52 real days = 1 wiki year |
| 12:22.36 | krow | The calibration factor is in milliseconds |
| 12:25.19 | krow | ~365/52 |
| 12:25.23 | infobot | 7.019230769231 |
| 12:26.19 | Monet | SHoudn't it be 365.25? |
| 12:26.45 | krow | ~365.25/52 |
| 12:26.45 | infobot | 7.024038461538 |
| 12:27.46 | krow | ~(365.25/52)*1438172830 |
| 12:27.46 | infobot | 10101781272.259614944458 |
| 12:28.07 | Monet | What's 1438172830? |
| 12:28.29 | krow | Milliseconds since Unix Epoch (1970-01-01 00:00:00:000) |
| 12:29.51 | Hachiman | So I have come to the conclusion that WWE is the modern equivalent of gladiatorial combat |
| 12:29.56 | krow | "Mon, 10 Feb 2290 18:21:12 GMT" |
| 12:31.01 | krow | ~24*60*60*1000 |
| 12:31.01 | infobot | 86400000 |
| 12:33.59 | krow | Very well. |
| 12:34.20 | krow | Using the factor with the epoch will just give me 2335 |
| 12:34.46 | krow | Gotta to do more demn caculations |
| 12:34.55 | krow | calculations* |
| 12:35.37 | krow | I'll just start from 0 B.C |
| 12:35.59 | krow | ~2015*24*60*60*1000 |
| 12:35.59 | infobot | 174096000000 |
| 12:36.10 | krow | ~2800*24*60*60*1000 |
| 12:36.10 | infobot | 241920000000 |
| 12:36.28 | krow | ~241920000000/174096000000 |
| 12:36.28 | infobot | 1.389578163772 |
| 12:36.52 | krow | holdon |
| 12:38.06 | krow | ~(2810*365.25*24*60*60*1000)/(2015*365.25*24*60*60*1000) |
| 12:38.06 | infobot | 1.394540942928 |
| 12:38.10 | krow | better |
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| 13:16.34 | OfficerJackal | #katar |
| 13:16.38 | OfficerJackal | Goddamn it. |
| 13:20.25 | Wormy_away | Krow: Gonna start following this book http://natureofcode.com/book/ |
| 13:20.41 | Wormy_away | And listen to Computerwelt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZJJOh2nVM |
| 13:21.06 | krow | And I'll be trying to crack my problem with the milliseconds since the epoch and year zero |
| 13:22.22 | krow | ~2015*365.25*24*60*60*1000 |
| 13:22.22 | infobot | 63588564000000 |
| 13:22.45 | krow | ~2015*365*24*60*60*1000 |
| 13:22.45 | infobot | 63545040000000 |
| 13:24.44 | Wormy_away | banishes krow to a counterfactual univere where multiplication isn't commutative |
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| 13:26.02 | krow | ~365.2421988*25*60*60*1000 |
| 13:26.02 | infobot | 32871797891.999996185303 |
| 13:26.30 | krow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.46 | Wormy_away | lel |
| 13:26.55 | Wormy_away | Also, I keep nearly calling you "Kraw" |
| 13:27.07 | Wormy_away | Because Irskaad's fic |
| 13:27.11 | krow | hur |
| 13:28.02 | krow | maths can be sometimes annoying, you want to keep track of something, and do a calculation to verfiy your calculations... you lose the track of everything |
| 13:28.56 | krow | ~1420066800*1000/45 |
| 13:28.56 | infobot | 31557040000 |
| 13:29.15 | krow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.15 | infobot | 31556925976.319995880127 |
| 13:29.22 | Wormy_away | I'm terrible at calculating anything, especially arithmetic. But lately I've been looking at pure mathematics and it is purely symbolic, weirdly I can do it much more easily. |
| 13:30.11 | krow | I'm trying to do make a precise-point clock. |
| 13:30.25 | Wormy_away | Doing this beefy book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Reality |
| 13:30.26 | krow | Where everything starts from year o. |
| 13:30.30 | krow | zero even |
| 13:33.04 | Wormy_away | Listening to Kraftwerk makes for some good music to go with compsci https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZJJOh2nVM |
| 13:35.44 | Wormy_away | It's a bit like retro game music but before even then |
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| 13:38.26 | Hachiman | Fucking Freenode |
| 13:45.31 | TekDroid | Krow: I can give you my clock source code if you still need it |
| 13:48.21 | TekDroid | I think its a very messy and brute force thing though |
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| 14:00.00 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 14:01.00 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 14:01.26 | krow | TekDroid: please do. But I've to go now |
| 14:01.27 | krow | cya |
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| 14:02.50 | Luxor | Aye! |
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| 14:36.30 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:37.49 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 14:39.35 | Monet | Well I just found out about a brilliant thing about Windows 10 |
| 14:40.15 | Monet | Win10's version of solitaire is built to download and show advertisements for when you boot the program up. |
| 14:41.41 | AdmiralPanda | heh |
| 14:42.47 | Monet | And it downloads even if you don't use the program since SOlitaire is one of the features of the OS |
| 14:43.18 | Monet | This sounds like a worrying security hole to me. |
| 14:45.42 | Monet | I've also heard that said advertising also acts as data collection |
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| 15:01.30 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:03.32 | Hachiman | Hai Ghel |
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| 15:48.18 | Luxor | Ahoy |
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| 16:30.30 | Wormy_away | Monet: You have Autodesk software, right? |
| 16:30.45 | Wormy_away | Can you tell me if they still work with Win10 |
| 16:30.45 | Monet | I do |
| 16:30.54 | Monet | No idea unfortunately |
| 16:30.59 | Wormy_away | Possibly Adobe stuff too if you have any |
| 16:31.58 | Wormy_away | I have agreed for it to download but i don't want to install it yet if it means it makes half my programs unusable |
| 16:32.25 | Wormy_away | I don't think Fallout 3 will work, its hard enough making it work for Windows 8.1 Pro |
| 16:32.26 | Monet | I myself might be sticking with Win7 for a while |
| 16:33.10 | Wormy_away | The reason I asked is because I thought you had installeed Win10 already |
| 16:33.29 | Monet | It has been tempting |
| 16:34.09 | Monet | But then I learned that part of the OS comes with adware |
| 16:34.39 | Wormy_away | You can have it, so that it download but not installs. IU'm just gping to wait a while to check I can still have my games and software working |
| 16:34.53 | Wormy_away | That's a shame |
| 16:37.41 | Monet | Indeed it is |
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| 16:43.14 | Wormy_away | I used to like to flaunt the fact I have 8.1 PRO, not that I know the difference. Now everyone will be getting a superior OS, although when I update to Win10, it won't be a win10 Pro... |
| 16:53.03 | Monet | WOrmy_away: If its any consolation I hear that national militaries tend to use older OSes |
| 16:53.30 | Monet | Mainly because they tend to be more reliable |
| 16:54.11 | Wormy_away | lol, agreed |
| 16:54.34 | Wormy_away | Although, they might need tocatch up soon due to security issues |
| 17:29.19 | Wormy_semi_here | http://gizmodo.com/5618502/futurama-writer-invented-a-new-math-theorem-just-to-use-in-the-show |
| 17:30.37 | Wormy_semi_here | The Simpsons also has a lot of mathematical references. |
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| 17:33.33 | Monet | hi |
| 17:33.52 | Xho | yo |
| 17:34.58 | Wormy_semi_here | hi |
| 17:35.43 | Xho | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11811391_1621015378177146_5060310822533055264_n.jpg?oh=9d807c97c8e6467de47274e9ebf57223&oe=56591431 BEES |
| 17:36.25 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 17:38.10 | Wormy_semi_here | 800,000 bees. Dead. |
| 17:39.00 | Ghel | I'd say 800,000 bees and only one death is actually quite disappointing on the bees' part. It's like they weren't trying to kill. |
| 17:39.24 | Hachiman | To be fair, four other people had the potential to die |
| 17:41.06 | Ghel | 800,000 bees against five people is still 160,000 bees per person. I don't know the whole story though; maybe they attacked a whole crowd and the damage potential was diluted. |
| 17:41.29 | Ghel | Not that I'm trying to trivialise that death or promote bee-inflicted murder of humans. |
| 17:42.02 | Wormy_semi_here | Of course, but the article trvialises the death of bees. |
| 17:45.34 | Wormy_semi_here | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.39 | Wormy_semi_here | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.08 | Luxor | Ola |
| 17:49.48 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:54.28 | Wormy_semi_here | It is distuirbing and gory, but this is industry standard http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee6_1391310852 |
| 18:09.41 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/s350x350/11796316_1599874083595607_8592931938192600478_n.jpg?oh=c3d53c54aee0d377c895c8fc13c5d0b7&oe=564818F8 |
| 18:09.51 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 18:19.33 | Hachiman | This internet is fucking awful |
| 18:19.57 | Hachiman | Apparently either our ISP is having issues in our area specifically or we have an outdated router |
| 18:20.57 | Luxor | Sporepedia's down, taht's more awful |
| 18:21.07 | Hachiman | Sporepedia is useless |
| 18:21.26 | Hachiman | I never used Sporepedia and the place is always down nonetheless |
| 18:22.44 | Luxor | Still need to do a lot of work with URN |
| 18:23.01 | Luxor | I hope I'll be able to write about gov and culture tomorrow |
| 18:23.10 | Wormy_semi_here | My internet went unusuable a while back. We had to call out someone to fix the telegraph pole |
| 18:23.37 | Luxor | U heard about Albania? |
| 18:23.49 | Wormy_semi_here | No, what about Albania? |
| 18:23.54 | Luxor | IT DOESNT EXIST |
| 18:24.31 | Hachiman | Bullshit |
| 18:25.07 | Wormy_semi_here | Perhaps it never existed and the memories of it were implanted. Or maybe it has disappeared to where it came from. |
| 18:25.38 | Hachiman | I mean it is a recognised member of various unions and organisations and can be located on a global map |
| 18:25.39 | Hachiman | It exists |
| 18:25.58 | Luxor | Bullsh~!t |
| 18:26.12 | Luxor | The most precious NATO data denies its existence |
| 18:26.15 | Luxor | For example: |
| 18:26.21 | Luxor | Here a standard propaganda map of Balkans |
| 18:26.45 | Luxor | http://imgur.com/5z4phei |
| 18:26.51 | Luxor | AND HERE'S THE TRUTH: |
| 18:27.03 | Wormy_semi_here | Maybe Luxor came from another universe. Or maybe we are imagining Luxor. Maybe you are imagining everything. Maybe you are not even conscious. |
| 18:27.07 | Luxor | http://imgur.com/qtYyLm1 |
| 18:27.29 | Hachiman | How dumb |
| 18:27.44 | Xho | ...right |
| 18:28.17 | Monet | Y no love for Montenegro. |
| 18:29.34 | Wormy_semi_here | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania%E2%80%93NATO_relations |
| 18:29.51 | Wormy_semi_here | Reality holds, for now. |
| 18:30.08 | Hachiman | That was honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard |
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| 18:30.21 | Hachiman | Why would anyone argue Albania does not exist |
| 18:30.44 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: Nationalists are retarded would be my guess |
| 18:30.47 | OfficerJackal | Wait, what? |
| 18:30.48 | Luxor | ...because it does not |
| 18:30.51 | OfficerJackal | ... |
| 18:30.53 | Luxor | Look: |
| 18:30.55 | Hachiman | But it does |
| 18:31.01 | Luxor | 1. Do you know anyone from albania? |
| 18:31.09 | Luxor | 2. Do you know what's the capital of albania? |
| 18:31.11 | Wormy_semi_here | Luxor where did you find those maps. It's obvious Photoshop |
| 18:31.17 | Luxor | 3. Do you know any word i albanian? |
| 18:31.25 | DrodoEmpire | Skanderbeg...? |
| 18:31.27 | OfficerJackal | Luxor: Yeah mo'fucka, the guy who installed my Comcast was Albanian. |
| 18:31.28 | Wormy_semi_here | In fact it's been badly smudged out. |
| 18:31.30 | Luxor | 4. Do you know any song in albanian? |
| 18:31.45 | Monet | Didn't Top Gear once do a road trip though Albania? |
| 18:31.50 | OfficerJackal | Mhm. |
| 18:31.56 | DrodoEmpire | Luxor, SKANDERBEG. He was an albanian noble who fought the Ottomans in the late middle ages. |
| 18:32.03 | Wormy_semi_here | They play on Eurovision, "I'm Alive", ironically, almost. |
| 18:32.04 | Hachiman | It's like he is trying to be funny while actually making himself look like a dickhead |
| 18:32.10 | OfficerJackal | Mercedes, BMW, and I think a Yugo they drove through there... Or a RR, BMW, and Yugo. |
| 18:32.11 | Hachiman | Tirana is the Albanian capital |
| 18:32.26 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: No need for harsh words, I mean he's obviously just joking around. |
| 18:32.29 | OfficerJackal | Luxor: Right? |
| 18:32.32 | Luxor | Nop |
| 18:32.51 | Luxor | We've got a clear evidence there's no way Albanistan exists |
| 18:33.06 | Hachiman | Okay this needs to stop |
| 18:33.11 | Wormy_semi_here | Explain the little scraps of Albania http://imgur.com/qtYyLm1 |
| 18:33.15 | DrodoEmpire | Albania exists you dense fucking lump |
| 18:33.17 | OfficerJackal | There is a thin line between joking around about something not existing when it really does, and making people believe you actually think that. |
| 18:33.18 | Hachiman | It stopped being funny almost immediately and now it is just being fucking irritating |
| 18:33.31 | Wormy_semi_here | It has been badly manipulated |
| 18:33.33 | OfficerJackal | Guys stop being harsh, there's no need for anger here. |
| 18:33.42 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe you're right OJ |
| 18:33.44 | Hachiman | There's no need for dickheads either |
| 18:33.53 | Hachiman | But we still have them evidently |
| 18:34.03 | Luxor | Meh, watever |
| 18:34.53 | OfficerJackal | Even if he does think Albania doesn't exist, it's his right to believe that, and if you want to change his opinion you should do it via peaceful debate, not with agressive attitudes and bad language. |
| 18:35.07 | Hachiman | Oh I don't need this |
| 18:35.15 | Hachiman | My day is already frustrating enough |
| 18:35.32 | OfficerJackal | ??? |
| 18:35.40 | DrodoEmpire | Its fine. |
| 18:37.51 | Luxor | Whatever, I just wanted to start a sort of discussion, it just didn't work |
| 18:38.00 | Luxor | But yeah, it was kinda foolish |
| 18:38.11 | DrodoEmpire | Because your subject was utterly insane. Of course Albania exists. |
| 18:38.31 | DrodoEmpire | Its on the map and there is *plenty* of historical evidence of Albanian civilization. |
| 18:39.04 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, I mean, I stated before that the guy who installed my household's Comcast router and all that was Albanian, we even talked about it for a bit,. |
| 18:41.41 | OluapPlayer | Discussing politics on the IRC NEVER ends well, why people keep doing it I have no idea |
| 18:43.37 | Xho | super stoopid |
| 18:43.46 | OfficerJackal | Well, I mean, this wasn't politics more then it was basic geography of the world. But yeah, if you genuinely believe Albania does not exist, you should get psychological help. Thoughts like that are dangerous and can lead to thoughts that are even more... Err... Bad? I guess? |
| 18:44.54 | Ghel | While I'm not sure how much Oluap's sentiment applies here, the existence of sovereign state is most certainly politics. |
| 18:45.12 | Monet | Politics discussions can work here |
| 18:45.21 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Sometimes... :p |
| 18:45.51 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Some topics are more sensetive than others, yeah |
| 18:45.53 | OfficerJackal | No, he posted an edited picture of a map, which had the landmass that would inhabit Albania completely gone. |
| 18:45.53 | Ghel | But trying to start a disussion about something while people are clearly getting annoyed, especially when it's not a serious discussion, is generally not ideal. |
| 18:47.30 | OfficerJackal | But, despite all I said, I still think Luxor was doing some clever trolling to get everyone stirred up. |
| 18:48.29 | Ghel | The joke idea that Albania doesn't exist is something that seems familiar to me, which is presumably why he had maps and arguments to hand. |
| 18:48.38 | Monet | Its one thing to dispute the sovereignty of a nation, its another thing entirely to dispute said sovereingy and the existence of the landmass it is on. |
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| 18:49.18 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 18:49.31 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 18:49.34 | OfficerJackal | He could just be trolling still, and if any one of you mention Poe's Law and the like I'll... I'll... Get very disgruntled. >:L |
| 18:49.44 | Luxor | Well, my idea wasn't to troll in order to get frustration, but to, well, start something rly stoopid |
| 18:49.56 | Ghel | I did say it's a joke idea, so I wasn't disagreeing with you. |
| 18:50.27 | Ghel | Luxor: When you started causing annoyance, you should have stopped. |
| 18:50.38 | Monet | Mega-stupid is another thing here that can annoy people here. |
| 18:52.14 | Luxor | I've expected very other reactions :/ |
| 18:52.22 | Monet | A text-based discussion has the unfortunate side effect of portraying sarcasm being rather difficult. |
| 18:53.48 | The_Randomness | Indeed |
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| 18:56.12 | Ghel | Welcome back. |
| 18:56.46 | Luxor | I'm here again just to say I'm sorry. I haven't expected that the stupid joke could create such amount of rage. Once again I'm sorry, I didn't intend to make everyone angry on me, but that was the result. |
| 18:57.01 | Luxor | Cya tomorrow. |
| 18:57.16 | Ghel | I'm not sure he quite got the point. |
| 18:57.38 | Ghel | Nobody's blaming him for not being able to predict people's reactions. |
| 19:03.20 | Monet | Maybe we did overreact. |
| 19:03.31 | Monet | I was having a decent conversation with him moments ago. |
| 19:05.10 | DrodoAway | Ghel: Seemed like a "Sorry you're angry" thing to me... :L Still at least he apologized |
| 19:05.18 | DrodoAway | And... Yeah we sorta dogpiled him. |
| 19:06.30 | Ghel | Oh, there's certinly overreactions up there in your little conversation (that I happened to not be looking at IRC during). |
| 19:07.50 | Ghel | The point is, he should have stopped before it got to the point that people wanted to call him a "dense fucking lump" and "fucking irritating". |
| 19:08.02 | Monet | Maybe we should have caught on when he tried claiming that the land Albania is on is missing. |
| 19:10.04 | Ghel | I am surprised any of you would to default to the idea that he was being serious without considering the probability of it being a bad joke to be quite high. Although at least for Drodo, that was a case of arrival mid-discussion. |
| 19:13.04 | Wormy_semi_here | At least Muxor made this place active |
| 19:13.14 | Wormy_semi_here | *Luxor |
| 19:13.30 | Wormy_semi_here | I'm laughing my arse off, not that what he did was funny or good. |
| 19:14.11 | Monet | Ghel: Well as OJ pointed out his joke was a goof of not just politics but also physical geography. |
| 19:14.38 | Ghel | 2x goofiness. |
| 19:20.19 | DrodoAway | Didn't he blatantly state he wasn't joking? |
| 19:20.50 | DrodoAway | Well I *suppose* even that could have been sarcasm |
| 19:20.57 | DrodoAway | Though... |
| 19:21.22 | The_Randomness | I wish I was around to witness this |
| 19:22.36 | Ghel | He did also call it "Albanistan" |
| 19:23.16 | Monet | That was another curious one |
| 19:23.32 | Monet | Considering the -stans are more eastward. |
| 19:30.08 | Wormy_semi_here | If you look closely at the map, bits of Albania remain, which I found funnier |
| 19:42.51 | Wormy_semi_here | Does anybody have the ability to message Hachi and tell him its over? His steam account has been inactive for a year. |
| 19:50.27 | Monet | I do |
| 19:55.53 | OluapPlayer | You must have the wrong account then, because he's online every day |
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| 19:56.06 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:56.14 | Monet | Oh |
| 19:56.41 | Monet | Right, he says his internet is being problematic |
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| 19:57.24 | Hachiman_ | Fucking goddamn internet today holy shit |
| 20:05.40 | Wormy_semi_here | hi |
| 20:06.03 | Wormy_semi_here | I know the pain |
| 20:18.15 | Hachiman_ | Eugh today has been so boring and frustrating |
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| 20:59.23 | Xho | Technobliterator: So I've managed to put in a crazy riff into this song |
| 21:02.21 | Xho | The riff goes in 25/16 -> 19/16 -> 25/16 -> 19/16 -> 25/16 -> 19/16 because |
| 21:03.36 | Xho | The bit before it goes 19/16 -> 6/16 -> 6/4 -> 10/16 -> 6/4 -> 10/16 |
| 21:04.04 | Xho | So the entire song goes... |
| 21:06.43 | Xho | 4/4 -> 5/4 -> 5/8 -> 5/4 -> 5/8 -> 5/4 -> 7/4 -> 5/4 -> 7/4 -> 5/4 -> 7/4 -> 5/4 -> 4/4 -> 19/16 -> 6/16 -> 6/4 -> 10/16 -> 6/4 -> 10/16 ->25/16 -> 19/16 -> 25/16 -> 19/16 -> 25/16 -> 19/16 -> 4/4 -> 19/16 |
| 21:07.12 | Xho | So 26 time signature changes |
| 21:07.13 | Xho | Not bad |
| 21:10.03 | Hachiman_ | - |
| 21:10.06 | Hachiman_ | Fuck |
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| 21:20.03 | Hachiman | I feel egalitarianism is a more appropriate political movement for the modern age than feminism |
| 21:20.33 | Xho | Correct |
| 21:22.33 | DrodoAway | ^ |
| 21:22.52 | Wormy_semi_here | I think feminism is really a cluster of a million or more movements in one. It does not have a consistent or self-regulating philosophy, therefore, there is infighting and radical groups adhering to it. |
| 21:23.17 | Monet | There are some places where, thanks to feminism, men are the less fortunate |
| 21:23.26 | Monet | Well, not just feminism |
| 21:24.17 | Hachiman | Correct me if I am wrong but I think nothing ever as radical or harmful as the radical feminist movement has ever arisen in an equivalent form from egalitarianism |
| 21:24.42 | Wormy_semi_here | I do not know enough about it to pass judgement. |
| 21:25.55 | Wormy_semi_here | I have watched a social experiment where a man was beaten in the street by a woman. Men and women followed and some laughed. When the man so much as pushed saying "stop it", loads of men joined in and pushed him to the ground or dragged him away |
| 21:25.57 | Hachiman | Egalitarianism basically promotes equality for genders, sexes, orientations, and ethnic and political groups |
| 21:26.01 | Monet | Well there might be Ayn Rand. |
| 21:26.26 | Wormy_semi_here | So much for "male privilidge" |
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| 21:26.52 | Hachiman | Male privilege does not exist though |
| 21:26.54 | Wormy_semi_here | hi |
| 21:27.00 | Monet | Hello |
| 21:27.06 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 21:27.30 | Tybusen | I sense we are having a feminism debate |
| 21:27.53 | Wormy_semi_here | A lot of feminist critique and philosophy is based on post-modernism which denies truth, so it can't really make anything but silly explanations |
| 21:27.55 | Monet | Tybusen: Hachiman is proposing the advantages of egalitarianism |
| 21:28.15 | Hachiman | Women are just as privileged as men in other aspects, such as often gaining a more beneficial amount from divorces and being able to have men targeted with false accusations and claims of rape and physical abuse |
| 21:28.49 | Hachiman | And men who claim they have been physically abused or raped are given less regard and publicity than women |
| 21:28.53 | Tybusen | I hope you're aware that feminists do promote egalitarianism |
| 21:28.59 | Wormy_semi_here | And I'm not attacking all feminists for the record, just the radical kinds. I think Feminism as a whole is lots of movements in one without a self-regulating philosophy like say, critical rationalism in science |
| 21:29.13 | Tybusen | I don't count the "Feminazi" types as Feminists |
| 21:29.14 | Hachiman | They don't though |
| 21:29.17 | Hachiman | Not anymore at least |
| 21:29.41 | Tybusen | The sort of feminists you're thinking of are the poorly-informed Tumblr teenager types |
| 21:30.00 | Monet | Tybusen has a point |
| 21:30.14 | Monet | Not all feminists are man-haters. |
| 21:30.38 | Wormy_semi_here | If feminism is about promoting equality and equal opportunity, I am one. |
| 21:31.14 | Wormy_semi_here | But as I say, there are inconsistent movements within it so that doesn't mean anything |
| 21:31.15 | Hachiman | Then why apply the "feminist" label if it is effectively egalitarianism |
| 21:32.11 | Monet | Egalitarianism includes this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_opportunity |
| 21:32.37 | Tybusen | Because as it stands in our society, the idea of femininity is at a disadvantage |
| 21:32.49 | Tybusen | That principle creates problems not only for women, but men as well |
| 21:33.15 | Monet | Feminism could be considered an aspect of egalitarianism. |
| 21:33.53 | Tybusen | One reason men can get so easily targeted by rape or abuse accusations is part of the same principle that leads people to believe that men never get raped by women |
| 21:34.26 | Tybusen | It's the idea that to be feminine means to have no power |
| 21:35.29 | Xho | I don't think many people know there's a sociological division in feminism |
| 21:35.33 | Hachiman | I do not really see how women are disadvantaged in British society |
| 21:35.35 | Xho | You have liberal and radical |
| 21:35.39 | Xho | As well as marxist and black |
| 21:35.47 | Wormy_semi_here | What I think feminism needs is a serious look at itself to produce better theories, and it will have to start criticising itself more, and criticising the recent movements. It is the feminists fault that so many teenagers are misinformed. |
| 21:36.13 | Monet | Egalitarianism isn't just about abolishing descrimination of women. Its about abolishing *all* forms of discriminaiton; race, nationality, ethinicity, age, religious background, financial background, educational background, personal wealth, social upbringing etc. |
| 21:36.17 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I can't speak for British society, but there are some clear disadvantages for women in American society |
| 21:36.29 | Hachiman | Exactly |
| 21:36.33 | Tybusen | As well as the idea of femininity |
| 21:37.02 | Tybusen | To identify as an egalitarianist by default means you identify as feminist |
| 21:38.03 | Wormy_semi_here | Hachi: I believe it is harder for women to find work. It's easy to see |
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| 21:38.47 | Hachiman_ | FUCK |
| 21:39.23 | Wormy_semi_here | I believe it is harder for women to find work, Britain or America. It's easy to see |
| 21:39.29 | Hachiman_ | As a feminist, you emphasize and focus purely on the aspect of femininity; as an egalitarian, you focus on disadvantages and discrimination for all members of society |
| 21:39.30 | Monet | One of the roots might be how its a lot easier to hear about the radical feminists. |
| 21:39.44 | Tybusen | But being an egalitarian means you are also a feminist |
| 21:39.59 | Hachiman_ | But being a feminist does mean you are also an egalitarian |
| 21:40.27 | Wormy_semi_here | I see nothing wrong with Feminism's goal, just some of its methods and philosophy. |
| 21:40.48 | Tybusen | I agree that the movement tends to be derailed by its radical wings |
| 21:40.55 | Wormy_semi_here | Although I admit, if it has a million movements, I am biased to the negative aspects. |
| 21:41.07 | Tybusen | But the same can be said for every major social movement in history |
| 21:42.28 | Tybusen | And don't forget that the powers that be will tend to focus on the radical elements in order to undermine important social movements |
| 21:43.19 | Wormy_semi_here | Self-criticism is the way movements can progress however, and that is something I think feminism lacks unless I'm shown otherwise. |
| 21:44.02 | Tybusen | You might be surprised but there are plenty of moderate feminists on Tumblr who regularly keep the radicals in check |
| 21:44.22 | Hachiman_ | Yeah, I have not seen liberal feminists publicly criticising their extremist counterparts |
| 21:44.25 | Tybusen | The radical SJW types are just the noisiest and the ones that tend to go crusading |
| 21:44.54 | Monet | Hachiman_: Maybe its a case of "don't feed the troll"? |
| 21:45.06 | Wormy_semi_here | I have searched recently for feminism tagged with "rationalism", or "reason", and didn't find much |
| 21:45.37 | Wormy_semi_here | Instead I found this femininazi trash http://www.antisupernatural.com/feminism.html |
| 21:45.45 | Hachiman_ | Feminism has become a radical and extremist movement and I will prove it to you |
| 21:45.47 | Tybusen | Wormy_semi_here: I doubt though that people usually tag their posts with both a social movement and those specific tags |
| 21:46.12 | Hachiman_ | Name me the representative for liberal feminism in modern popular media |
| 21:46.24 | Monet | Theoretically, as a moderate you're not going to go out of your way to tel lthe radicals they're wrong. |
| 21:46.25 | Wormy_semi_here | I'm not looking for posts, I'm looking for academic criticisms |
| 21:46.25 | Tybusen | I can't name really just one |
| 21:46.52 | Hachiman_ | Name me a representative for the feminist movement who is not a radical |
| 21:47.33 | Tybusen | Hmm |
| 21:47.35 | Monet | Patrick Stewart http://powderroom.kinja.com/is-sir-patrick-stewart-a-feminist-make-it-so-1666798077 |
| 21:47.43 | Wormy_semi_here | Unfortunately postmodernism denies truth and replaces it with feelie contexts, and a lot of feminism uses it. If so, iit is not going to help liberal feminists who adopt the philosophy to apply reason in making their theory better |
| 21:48.00 | Tybusen | Yeah, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKlellan are both feminists, if I'm not mistaken |
| 21:48.17 | Hachiman_ | Note how neither of them are women |
| 21:48.22 | Monet | You can be a man and a feminist. |
| 21:48.27 | Tybusen | Well those are just examples |
| 21:48.28 | Hachiman_ | I know but still |
| 21:48.49 | Tybusen | I know a lot of female musicians who say they are feminists |
| 21:49.26 | Tybusen | As well as actors |
| 21:49.56 | Tybusen | From the top of my head, Taylor Swift, Jennifer Lawrence, Nicki Minaj, Meryl Streep |
| 21:50.32 | Hachiman_ | I didn't think Nicki Minaj or Taylor Swift had the capacity to understand liberal feminism hur |
| 21:50.45 | Xho | I wouldn't count either of them |
| 21:50.48 | Xho | They're both crazy |
| 21:51.21 | Tybusen | It would seem as though the media wants you to think the both of them are crazy |
| 21:51.34 | Xho | No they're really quite crazy |
| 21:52.05 | Monet | What about Whoopi Goldberg? |
| 21:52.07 | Tybusen | By what measure? |
| 21:52.20 | Tybusen | Oh yes, I think Whoopi Goldberg is a feminist |
| 21:52.35 | Wormy_semi_here | I think Stephen Hawking would count as a liberal feminist, as he stands for equality. |
| 21:54.19 | Hachiman_ | `I would think Hawking would prefer "egalitarian" to "feminist" given his condition |
| 21:54.35 | Tybusen | Malala Yousafzai is a huge icon, how could I forget her |
| 21:54.36 | DrodoAway | Why not just say Egalitarianism? Feminism by its very nature as a word advocates for the advancement of *women*, not the advancement of humanity as an equal whole. |
| 21:54.50 | Hachiman_ | Aye |
| 21:55.08 | DrodoAway | Why play around with words? |
| 21:55.14 | DrodoAway | Doesn't make sense to me. |
| 21:55.21 | Tybusen | Would you say that it should be "AllLivesMatter" instead of "BlackLivesMatter"? |
| 21:55.31 | DrodoAway | Of course! |
| 21:55.44 | Hachiman_ | Yeah |
| 21:55.48 | DrodoAway | I would consider the black race to be humans, as with myself. |
| 21:55.55 | Tybusen | Alright, so here's the deal |
| 21:55.58 | DrodoAway | As any rational person would. |
| 21:56.20 | Tybusen | As much as we would like to think that black people or women are treated equally, they most certainly are not |
| 21:56.30 | Tybusen | That is the reality of it |
| 21:56.38 | Tybusen | They are both disadvantaged social groups |
| 21:56.41 | Monet | Is it possible the Tumblr Teems espouse the feminist agenda in order to play the victim card? There may be some with crappy boyfriends but others are probably feeling like life is hard because they don't try. |
| 21:56.44 | Wormy_semi_here | What I don't understand is the "us and them" attitude. "If you are not feminist, you are a bigot". This remark demands that I submit to authority or be blasphemous.. |
| 21:57.07 | DrodoAway | Yes, they are Tybusen. |
| 21:57.12 | Tybusen | Sure, you could say feminism and egalitarianism espouse the same things |
| 21:57.20 | DrodoAway | So of course advocating for equality makes sense. |
| 21:57.26 | DrodoAway | But they don't by the very nature of the word. |
| 21:57.31 | Tybusen | You could say that all lives matter instead of just black lives |
| 21:58.00 | DrodoAway | Feminism *was* about equality. Now its... Maybe tipping the other way? |
| 21:58.03 | DrodoAway | Anyway. |
| 21:58.16 | Tybusen | But to change the words totally derails their effect |
| 21:58.18 | Wormy_semi_here | What if I care for everything it stands for but not people in it? What if I think their theory is wrong? What if I think the movement is inconsistent, how can be sure that feminism hasn't lost its meaning, if it decrees an "us an them" attitude. |
| 21:58.20 | Tybusen | Words are powerful |
| 21:58.42 | Tybusen | The names of these movements are designed to empower disadvantaged groups |
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| 21:58.51 | Hachiman | FUCK |
| 21:59.10 | DrodoAway | Yes, and Feminism has turned into a rather idiotic movement in recent years. Its been hijacked by the extremists. I'd prefer a movement *no one* can fuck up. |
| 21:59.12 | Hachiman | Yes, I think "#AllLivesMatter" is more correct than "#BlackLivesMatter" |
| 21:59.46 | Tybusen | Then you're really misunderstanding the purpose of the BLM movement |
| 21:59.46 | Monet | DrodoAway: It's been happening a lot these past 25 years. |
| 22:00.10 | Hachiman | I do not see how |
| 22:00.20 | Tybusen | DrodoAway: The same thing has happened with every major social movement in modern history. No revolutionary movement is safe from hijacking |
| 22:00.31 | Monet | The Powers that Be latch on to the radical groups, give the mal lthe airtime and that generates assumptions of the whole. |
| 22:00.40 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Do you know what caused the BLM movement to rise? |
| 22:00.46 | Hachiman | Yes I understand that black people still face discrimination in our society, but then black people are not the only people who face discrimination |
| 22:00.48 | Wormy_semi_here | Tybusen: Movement and philosophies can protect themselves with criticism, open-minded and tolerance |
| 22:01.09 | Wormy_semi_here | Which is what I'm espousing for feminism and what it seems to be failing at |
| 22:01.15 | Hachiman | The homeless, the disabled, women, foreigners |
| 22:01.33 | Tybusen | Wormy_semi_here: I'm sure the 60's Civil Rights movement had plenty of that but they still ultimately got divided by their radical wings |
| 22:02.08 | Tybusen | Hachiman: True, but how many of those groups have been routinely and nearly systematically singled out by cops and beaten to death for misdemeanors |
| 22:02.48 | Hachiman | The homeless and foreigners alongside black people |
| 22:03.12 | Wormy_semi_here | Tybusen: It is enormously hard, yes. But science, takes itself as fallible knowledge rather than infallible, and hence it is able to criticise itself and can progress without being confused about what is science and what isn't. I this kind of reasoning feminism lacks, and in fact, postmodernism which it has many adherants denies this kind of reason. |
| 22:03.17 | Tybusen | To put it into perspective, was Martin Luther King Jr. wrong for espousing equality for just blacks? |
| 22:04.04 | Monet | Wormy_semi_here: I've seen science's admittance to fallibility used against it. |
| 22:04.24 | Hachiman | No, of course not |
| 22:04.44 | Tybusen | Same principle applies here |
| 22:04.57 | Wormy_semi_here | By the looks of it, egalitarianism by its definition argues for universals, and hence a universal kind of knowledge subject to criticism I speak of. |
| 22:05.08 | Tybusen | Are the members of the BLM movement wrong for demanding justice for the black people who have been singled out by cops |
| 22:05.21 | Tybusen | Even if they are not necessarily the only victims of police brutality? |
| 22:05.25 | Wormy_semi_here | Monet: It is used against by it's detractors. But those people do not understand the role it plays |
| 22:06.20 | DrodoAway | Tyb: We've seen Feminism become the mainstream, and we're seeing it fuck up society. What do you make of these social experiments? Or of New Zealand's new rape laws which make men (and I stress men) prove they didn't rape? What do you make of this draconian presumption of guilt? |
| 22:07.09 | DrodoAway | It undeniably has become mainstream, and with it so has the radical elements to an extent |
| 22:07.45 | Tybusen | First of all, the social experiments have more to do with people being idiots who don't understand proper ethics in scientific study |
| 22:08.00 | DrodoAway | Like Hachi said, men and women are "privileged" in different ways |
| 22:08.06 | Tybusen | I'm not as familiar with the new NZ law so I can't speak to it |
| 22:08.12 | DrodoAway | So you completely discount their validity? |
| 22:08.39 | Tybusen | Not sure if you're talking about the decent social experiments or the shoddy Youtube ones |
| 22:09.31 | Tybusen | One aspect of core feminism is to erase disadvantages due to gender, not just those for women |
| 22:09.51 | DrodoAway | When did this come around? |
| 22:09.55 | Hachiman | Then it is "not" feminism, it is egalitarianism |
| 22:10.08 | DrodoAway | Feminism doesn't really have a core ideology. It changes with every person you talk to |
| 22:10.13 | DrodoAway | YES |
| 22:10.17 | DrodoAway | Its egalitarianism |
| 22:10.32 | Hachiman | As an egalitarian, you are a feminist, but as a feminist, you are not an egalitarian |
| 22:10.44 | Hachiman | Because you are only focusing and representing on the core aspect |
| 22:10.53 | Hachiman | Rather than all other discriminated aspects |
| 22:11.21 | Tybusen | You're taking the identification as "feminist" as though it necessarily excludes you from being other things |
| 22:11.48 | Wormy_semi_here | These goals are not strictly refined. ASome of these are humanist goals. One could say there are many feminists who share Egalitarian beliefs |
| 22:11.49 | Tybusen | I am a feminist, but I am also a support of racial equality, LGBT rights, and many other things in the egalitarian umbrella |
| 22:12.10 | Hachiman | But "feminism" by itself does not encompass those other issues |
| 22:12.28 | Hachiman | You are a feminist AS WELL AS |
| 22:12.34 | Tybusen | No, it does not by itself |
| 22:12.35 | Tybusen | But |
| 22:12.38 | Wormy_semi_here | Feminism doesn't own them as a label |
| 22:12.48 | Wormy_semi_here | But it may use the same ideas |
| 22:13.14 | Wormy_semi_here | Or some |
| 22:13.14 | Tybusen | Just because you espouse the ideas of the feminist movement, doesn't exclude you from being a part of the other movements |
| 22:13.20 | Hachiman | And if you are supporting other rights for discriminated people, why call yourself a "feminist" when it would be more politically and philosophically accurate to call yourself an "egalitarian" |
| 22:13.42 | Tybusen | Because when I use "feminist" I'm using it in the proper context |
| 22:13.55 | Tybusen | That is, issues that pertain to the relationship of men and women and their influences in society |
| 22:14.40 | Tybusen | Why SHOULDN'T I call myself a feminist? |
| 22:14.41 | Wormy_semi_here | But I also think that by agreeing with those same goals doesn't make feminism own you either |
| 22:15.11 | Wormy_semi_here | Otherwise you are asking people to obey feminism |
| 22:15.15 | Hachiman | Because you do not focus your goals solely on feminism |
| 22:15.27 | Wormy_semi_here | By asking them to opt out and then be "one of them" |
| 22:15.30 | Hachiman | You focus on other aspects of discrimination in society as well |
| 22:15.53 | Tybusen | Is it wrong for me to refer to myself as Asian, as opposed to human, despite one of those encompassing more than the other? |
| 22:15.59 | DrodoAway | This has devolved from whatever it was before to pure semantics. Enough. |
| 22:16.25 | Hachiman | Alright |
| 22:16.41 | Tybusen | I've heard this sort of argument before in relation to feminism. I think it's still pertinent. But I will relent |
| 22:16.44 | Wormy_semi_here | I think it means me, Hachi and Tybusen all share the same beliefs and goals but have different ideas about what group they are in. |
| 22:17.26 | Tybusen | I think the big lesson here is that we shouldn't tie ourselves up in the labels and such, we should care more about the beliefs we espouse |
| 22:18.06 | DrodoAway | ^ |
| 22:18.10 | Hachiman | I'd have to agree there |
| 22:18.20 | Wormy_semi_here | Precisely! And I think by tying ourselves down with definitions, and narratives and what-like, we will not be able to make the changes or understand the problem at hand. |
| 22:18.30 | Hachiman | Honestly this argument proves why I hate labelling |
| 22:19.23 | Monet | Labelling leads to dehumanisation which leads to generalisation which leads to prejudice which leads to abuse |
| 22:19.24 | Tybusen | Ultimately, what I think matters is that I think women and femininity in general are at a disadvantage in society, and that affects not only women but men negatively as well, and that we as a society should act towards equality of the genders |
| 22:19.47 | Tybusen | I agree |
| 22:20.32 | Hachiman | If I am to be honest, I think the only people who do not deserve access to equal rights are criminals |
| 22:20.52 | Wormy_semi_here | Of course |
| 22:21.04 | Wormy_semi_here | I was agreeing with Tybusen |
| 22:21.23 | Hachiman | If anything, the treatment of criminals should stop depending on taxpayer's money to support their continued care and welfare |
| 22:21.33 | Tybusen | I remember there being a story in relation to the Rwandan Genocide where the Tutsis and Hutus of Rwanda did not differentiate between themselves until European colonials arrived and made the distinction |
| 22:21.47 | Tybusen | Which led to the genocide in the first place |
| 22:22.03 | Wormy_semi_here | Human rights are not rights if they are not universal. |
| 22:22.34 | Wormy_semi_here | Yes I've read that too |
| 22:22.52 | Hachiman | I refuse to call somebody who is willing to afflict harm onto unarmed human beings a fellow human being |
| 22:23.06 | Hachiman | Or non-partisans in general rather than unarmed |
| 22:23.12 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I suppose that issue depends on whether you think criminals should be punished or rehabilitated |
| 22:23.18 | Hachiman | Punished |
| 22:23.22 | Wormy_semi_here | You are in dangerous waters Hachi, because the concept of criminal can be abused. And surely the maltreatment of any human being is criminal in it's own right |
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| 22:23.45 | Tybusen | I support rehabilitation depending on the offense, but I can respect your point of view |
| 22:23.49 | Hachiman | Somebody who afflicts harm onto non-partisans with the intent to do so should be punished |
| 22:24.06 | Hachiman | Burglars and the like should be rehabilitated |
| 22:24.18 | Tybusen | Alright, I agree with you then |
| 22:24.28 | Wormy_semi_here | There are people out there who do not belong back in society, ever. And that is called life in prison |
| 22:24.39 | Monet | With longer prison sentences what can happen is the criminal is released, freaks out at how much the world changes and commits a crime so they can return to the relative security of prison. |
| 22:24.54 | Hachiman | But modern prisons pamper to criminals |
| 22:25.05 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Not in the US |
| 22:25.12 | Hachiman | They get free food and healthcare which derives from taxpayer's money |
| 22:25.19 | Tybusen | US prison conditions are Hell on Earth |
| 22:25.33 | Hachiman | And rich criminals even get a hand in how their wealth is spent during captivity |
| 22:25.58 | Wormy_semi_here | These are problems in the prison system then |
| 22:26.01 | Tybusen | One reason why the US has a high rate of prisoners returning to prison is because our prison system hardens them rather than rehabilitates them |
| 22:26.18 | Hachiman | Then the situation between US and British prison systems is different then |
| 22:26.25 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I think that's more a problem with rich people lol |
| 22:26.55 | Monet | Rich people are more likely to go to minimum security prisons. |
| 22:27.12 | Tybusen | I think it's easy to forget that despite almost 300 years of cultural exchange and a common language, the US and the UK are still very, very different |
| 22:28.02 | Hachiman | I will not shy away when I say that I am in support of the return of the death penalty for those who intentionally afflicted harm onto non-partisans, including non-human victims |
| 22:28.35 | Wormy_semi_here | I am completely against the death penalty. |
| 22:29.08 | Wormy_semi_here | I am proud even, that Britain stands out against many Western powers by banning it. |
| 22:29.38 | Wormy_semi_here | However, if the criminals are inflicting deaths in the act, and the only solution is to shoot them down. So be it |
| 22:29.42 | Tybusen | I am personally against the death penalty primarily because it's something that a life sentence can emulate without the permanence of death |
| 22:29.45 | Hachiman | Why rehabilitate a serial murderer or an active paedophile or have them live their lives effectively free of the struggle of having to work for necessities outside of the stresses of modern society when it would be more cost-effective and efficient to execute them |
| 22:30.05 | Monet | Isn't the US the only modern Western power that retains the death penalty? |
| 22:30.10 | DrodoAway | Hachi: I too support the death penalty in the most severe cases. |
| 22:30.13 | Hachiman | Prisoners get treated better than homeless people |
| 22:30.32 | Tybusen | In severe cases such as serial murder or pedophilia, I would agree with you |
| 22:30.55 | Hachiman | The average family has to work and pay for necessities while murderers, paedophiles, serial rapists, etc. get supplied these for free from taxpayer's money |
| 22:30.57 | DrodoAway | A death sentence is a mere waste of resources on those whose crimes are both horrible and beyond doubt. |
| 22:31.09 | Hachiman | And keeping them imprisoned is a waste of our money |
| 22:31.25 | Tybusen | But I would also prefer a system in which someone who is found to be falsely convicted of serious crimes has a chance to reintegrate |
| 22:32.07 | Tybusen | It's a difficult and delicate issue with a lot of valid points on both sides, to say the least |
| 22:32.12 | DrodoAway | Which is why I add "beyond doubt". I wouldn't want someone put to death for something they didn't commit. |
| 22:32.24 | Monet | Are those neccessicities really that great when they're barely classified as functional? |
| 22:32.27 | Wormy_semi_here | I don't, for the following reasons: It's a tool of fear; it can be abused along with the concept of criminal; those doing the execution are killers in my eyes and should not be exempt; life in prison, even mostly confinement, is shit; the probability any of us could be innocent and still sentenced; I am not bothered about tax payers money issue because our country badly spends it anyway |
| 22:32.51 | Tybusen | Not to mention US execution techniques have time and time again been shown to be horribly inefficient |
| 22:33.08 | DrodoAway | I'm against lethal injection. Its overly clinical and rather slow. |
| 22:33.23 | Monet | DrodoAway: It's also performed improperly |
| 22:33.27 | DrodoAway | ^ |
| 22:33.45 | Hachiman | I cannot see how anyone would support "rights" for murderers, active paedophiles, rapists and other such scum |
| 22:33.48 | Wormy_semi_here | Hanging if done wrong can either behead or kill slowly as well. |
| 22:33.49 | Tybusen | The issue of prisoners getting better treatment than the poor is more an issue about governments feeding the business fat cats rather than anything about prisoners themselves |
| 22:34.00 | Monet | The best people for the task of lethal injection would be violating their occupational principles. |
| 22:34.21 | Wormy_semi_here | I support them because human rights were made to be universal. |
| 22:34.37 | DrodoAway | Wormy: I see it as only a tool of fear for those who would commit a crime. I'm not scared of the death penalty as I'm confident I won't do anything to warrant myself getting killed. |
| 22:34.38 | Hachiman | And yet these people actively disregard human rights clearly by harming other humans |
| 22:34.44 | Tybusen | If you think about it, someone who has executed a few or more mass murderers is a serial killer by definition |
| 22:34.47 | DrodoAway | *Well, by the government at least |
| 22:35.21 | Wormy_semi_here | "If you having nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", DrodoAway. A tool of fear like that can be used in much wider context, as it was used. |
| 22:35.48 | DrodoAway | We have rights to protect us from wanton misuse. |
| 22:36.11 | DrodoAway | Do you really think a government that kills innocent people like its nothing will stay in power for very long, in a western country? |
| 22:36.18 | Tybusen | I agree that serial killers and serial rapists and serial pedophiles are terrible people and should be kept away from society for their lives, but the thing about death is that it's not like other sentences in that it's irretractable |
| 22:36.35 | Hachiman | That is kind of the point |
| 22:36.48 | DrodoAway | No its not, so when the conviction is in any way in doubt I wouldn't call for death. |
| 22:36.50 | Tybusen | DrodoAway: If they're good at covering it up, then maybe so |
| 22:37.17 | Tybusen | I don't think a punishment should be irretractable |
| 22:37.19 | Wormy_semi_here | Go ahead and continue to live your life trusting the government's absolute morality |
| 22:37.23 | DrodoAway | If they want to hide their killings, they aren't going to let the issue of their killings being legal stop them |
| 22:37.44 | DrodoAway | Wormy: I... don't trust their absolute morality> |
| 22:37.45 | DrodoAway | *? |
| 22:37.52 | DrodoAway | Don't put words in my mouth. |
| 22:37.58 | DrodoAway | I never said that |
| 22:38.14 | Hachiman | Execute those kinds of scum and allow rehabilitation for less harmful criminals such as burglars and con artists |
| 22:38.25 | DrodoAway | ^ |
| 22:38.34 | Wormy_semi_here | Yes, because think about what you are saying. You are allowing people in power to decide who has rights to *live* and who doesn't. |
| 22:38.47 | Tybusen | I still think having a legal death penalty on the books is a dangerous proposition |
| 22:39.06 | Hachiman | And reintegrating murderers and rapists is not? |
| 22:39.21 | Tybusen | I never said we would need to reintegrate the murderers and rapists |
| 22:39.33 | Hachiman | Are you going to say that the execution of criminals such as Ted Bundy were wrong? |
| 22:39.35 | Wormy_semi_here | And our Western governments are not perfect and not innocent and not all that kind to people, when you really look at them hard. |
| 22:40.15 | DrodoAway | Wormy: In the case of serial murderers and rapists, what difference is there between a death sentence and a life sentence in prison other than that one wastes a lot less money? |
| 22:40.18 | Tybusen | I personally think that we just have to be careful when we are applying the death penalty to anything |
| 22:40.30 | DrodoAway | A life sentence isn't truly living. |
| 22:40.36 | DrodoAway | And I agree Tyb. |
| 22:40.43 | Hachiman | DrodoAway: You have never been inside of a British prison |
| 22:40.49 | Hachiman | They are treated with luxury |
| 22:41.01 | Monet | Agai nwhich prisons |
| 22:41.05 | DrodoAway | That's another debate on how to reform prisons. |
| 22:41.06 | Tybusen | I'm mostly speaking from my knowledge of American prisons, so |
| 22:41.18 | DrodoAway | What I *don't* agree with is you putting words in my mouth, Wormy. |
| 22:41.23 | Wormy_semi_here | Is it a waste of money when so much goes to the fatcats, gets spent by politicians and other expenditures that are not that useful to people. |
| 22:41.26 | Hachiman | Television, games consoles, internet, mobile phones, free food and healthcare, security |
| 22:41.33 | Tybusen | Since American prisons are awful I would think a life sentence in one of them is effectively death |
| 22:41.34 | Hachiman | Prisoners get these |
| 22:41.38 | Monet | Most portrayals of prisons go for the "high" or "maximum" security type. |
| 22:41.47 | Tybusen | Hachiman: jesus christ that's bad |
| 22:41.57 | Wormy_semi_here | No you are in denial Drodo because that is exactly what it is |
| 22:42.09 | DrodoAway | Wormy: Stop ranting about shit that doesn't have anything to do with prisons and get to the point |
| 22:42.16 | Tybusen | As much as I support rehabilitation of criminals I don't think that they deserve that much in prison |
| 22:42.31 | Wormy_semi_here | It has everything to do with it |
| 22:42.34 | Tybusen | Wormy_semi_here DrodoAway: Calm down you two |
| 22:42.43 | DrodoAway | Yes, there's corruption. Tell me what that has to do with death penalty. |
| 22:42.47 | Hachiman | Think about it; a serial murderer of 30+ people is allowed access to a PS4 and hi-definition television just for being "good" |
| 22:42.56 | DrodoAway | And justice being doled out |
| 22:42.58 | Wormy_semi_here | "what difference is there between a death sentence and a life sentence in prison other than that one wastes a lot less money?" |
| 22:43.03 | Monet | You're sure it's HDTV? |
| 22:43.18 | DrodoAway | Monet: Why does it matter if its HD? |
| 22:43.18 | Hachiman | The fact it is a television at all |
| 22:43.19 | Tybusen | Hachiman: In that situation then yes I agree that that is very unfair |
| 22:43.22 | Wormy_semi_here | You can count so much that is also a waste of money and is rather useless for daily life or business |
| 22:43.46 | Monet | The brai nneeds stimulus in order t ostay sane. |
| 22:43.48 | Hachiman | Homeless people have actually resorted to committing crimes they would otherwise not commit purely so they can get a better life inside of prison rather than on the streets |
| 22:44.09 | Wormy_semi_here | Our fallible governments therfore, should not also have the power to decide who gets to live and who doesn't. |
| 22:44.16 | Tybusen | Hachiman: That wouldn't happen in the US but I understand why now it is a problem in the UK |
| 22:44.38 | DrodoAway | So? Not the point of discussion. I don't think a penny more than necessary should be spent on criminals. Is this bad? |
| 22:44.58 | Tybusen | In that case though, I think it has less to do with the death sentence debate and more of making prison into a place that you do not want to go |
| 22:45.11 | DrodoAway | And yes, I consider rehabilitation to those it would be useful for as necessary. |
| 22:45.25 | Monet | The thing is there's the question of whether or not all prisons do this. |
| 22:45.40 | Hachiman | The fact that there are prisons that allow for this is sickening though |
| 22:45.49 | Monet | Because there are different grades of priso nfor different types of criminal |
| 22:45.58 | Tybusen | That's true but for a debate on top-down reform you'll have to assume all prisons are at the average level |
| 22:46.26 | Tybusen | An exception to the standard doesn't necessarily excuse the standard |
| 22:47.02 | Wormy_semi_here | DrodoAway: I don't understand why my point of corruption is not applicable to this subject. You are declaring after-all, that you do not want tax payers money supporting life imprisonment. I reject this argument, on the grounds that if there was less corruption, this would be less of a problem. |
| 22:47.14 | Monet | The prison situation you describe; PS4, HDTV, that sounds like an open prison to me, which would be designed mostly for white-collar criminals. Pr generally people who could theoretically be put under house arrest. |
| 22:47.37 | DrodoAway | Why would it be less of a problem? |
| 22:47.43 | Hachiman | But it is not just white-collar criminals who get these |
| 22:47.57 | Hachiman | I know for a fact that blue-collar criminals have access to these |
| 22:48.10 | Hachiman | Not all of them, no, but they do nonetheless |
| 22:48.15 | Wormy_semi_here | DrodoAway: And I also don't think it *is* a problem, when tax payers money could be spent in far more useful ways. |
| 22:48.24 | Monet | Open prisons aren't designed for the kinds of peopel who would be put to death. |
| 22:48.41 | Hachiman | No prison in Britain is designed for someone who would be put to death anymore |
| 22:48.59 | Hachiman | You have prisons for poor people, and prisons for rich people |
| 22:49.03 | Hachiman | That's it |
| 22:49.10 | Monet | Not quite |
| 22:49.46 | Hachiman | If the point of a British prison is for punishment, why should a white-collar criminal even have access to these facilities |
| 22:49.59 | Wormy_semi_here | DrodoAway: I don't know about Canada. But in the UK, politicians have been known to spend this money on holidays and luxaries when they have some of the highest paid jobs. My government just spent loads of money on two air craft carriers, and whoops, they can't even put jets on them. And what for? Whjat about my country's crumbling NHS? |
| 22:50.07 | Tybusen | I'm not sure what the state of British max-security prisons are but those are the prisons that you would put a serious serial criminal |
| 22:50.31 | Monet | HAchiman: Because aside from committing something like fraud, said criminals are basically you or me. |
| 22:50.39 | Tybusen | I'd agree that white-collar prisons should be made into a less appealing locale to spend the night |
| 22:51.36 | Tybusen | I think what I'm seeing here is two different extremes represented by the US and UK prison systems |
| 22:51.55 | Hachiman | I don't even have a PS4, perhaps I should commit a major white-collar crime to get myself into prison so I can have access to this |
| 22:51.59 | Hachiman | Do you see the problem |
| 22:52.18 | Tybusen | The US system is horribly underfunded and is a pit of hell that only makes you more likely to commit a crime when you leave |
| 22:52.29 | Hachiman | Or perhaps I have pissed off a bunch of people and I will commit a crime to get myself free security away from them |
| 22:52.39 | Tybusen | The UK system is probably a tad overfunded and is a cushy place that is seen as preferable to a normal life on the streets |
| 22:52.47 | Monet | Hachiman: Sort of, but white-collar crime tends to be more difficult to pull off than blue-colalr crime |
| 22:52.55 | Hachiman | Nonetheless |
| 22:53.19 | Hachiman | That argument is like saying it is more difficult to get away with killing 30+ people than just one person thus they should deserve better treatment |
| 22:53.50 | Hachiman | Pompous, rich fuckheads should get the same treatment as everyone else |
| 22:53.53 | Tybusen | Hachiman: well i mean that's what happens in fps games so |
| 22:54.31 | Hachiman | A prison should not be a desirable place to be |
| 22:54.31 | Monet | Somoene who has killed 30+ people isn't likely to be trusted enough with a PS4 by prison security as a guy who laundered £300,000 |
| 22:54.33 | Tybusen | and isn't the fps the singlemost best representation of real-life |
| 22:54.42 | Tybusen | i mean look at those shades of brown |
| 22:54.44 | Tybusen | so realistic |
| 22:55.06 | Monet | But as Tybusen (was it?) said, American prisons are Hell on Earth; and guys who go in can come out *worse* |
| 22:55.07 | Hachiman | Tybusen: Splatoon is my main reference for real-life in regards to FPS |
| 22:55.10 | Wormy_semi_here | Okay, I'm actually reading now that the death penalty costs *more* than life imprisonment. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/ |
| 22:55.20 | Tybusen | Hachiman: Good |
| 22:55.46 | Tybusen | Monet: It's a massive problem, and there's a big prison-industrial complex going on |
| 22:55.53 | DrodoAway | Wormy: I heard of that. Again, the US's death penalty is *extremely* inefficient |
| 22:55.59 | Tybusen | It's also almost certainly tied to the War on Drugs |
| 22:56.35 | DrodoAway | The War on Drugs destroyed society when it became literal. |
| 22:56.50 | DrodoAway | Most of society's problems somehow relate to it, at least in the Americas |
| 22:57.05 | Tybusen | Someone gets arrested for an otherwise minor drug infraction -> gets sent to shitty US prison -> comes out a hardened criminal -> commits a more serious crime -> goes back to prison |
| 22:57.17 | Hachiman | I do hope that I am not sounding like some anti-prison rights extremist |
| 22:57.21 | Tybusen | While this is all happening, prison execs are getting rich off their asses |
| 22:57.23 | DrodoAway | No no |
| 22:57.37 | Tybusen | Hachiman: No, I really do understand where you're coming from and on some points agree |
| 22:58.04 | Monet | Just took a look |
| 22:58.49 | Tybusen | I think the War on Drugs is tied to why the immigration issue is still an issue in the US |
| 22:58.52 | Monet | In the UK, an open prison (the sort for offenders who are of low risk to the public) are permitted to leave prison grounds to continue their job. |
| 22:59.41 | Monet | But they have to come back at the end of their shift. |
| 22:59.41 | Tybusen | Based on what I know, I would say both the US and UK systems are far from ideal |
| 23:00.47 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_security_categories_in_the_United_Kingdom dunno if this clears things up for the British side |
| 23:01.08 | Wormy_semi_here | I don't think bringing back the death penalty will actually solve those issues, not really. |
| 23:01.59 | Tybusen | Most of these issues are prison reform topics rather than death penalty topics |
| 23:02.21 | Monet | I imagine the reasoning for security gradings is it could be a waste of money to have a Maximum-grade security to watch over someone whose most serious crime is PPI fraud. |
| 23:02.25 | Hachiman | I still and will probably always believe that the death penalty will have its justifications |
| 23:02.49 | DrodoAway | ^ |
| 23:03.06 | Hachiman | And I think measures should be taken to make people fear imprisonment more than they do already |
| 23:03.29 | Wormy_semi_here | Again, Ithink that is dangerous waters to tread. |
| 23:03.34 | Tybusen | I agree that there are justifications for it, I am just personally unsure if the, execution, if you will, will be correct |
| 23:03.44 | Hachiman | dat pun |
| 23:04.05 | Tybusen | bows, right before his head is taken clean off by a guillotine |
| 23:07.16 | Tybusen | i must have really killed the mood in here |
| 23:07.59 | Monet | haaah |
| 23:08.20 | Hachiman | I think that the reason that debates and arguments occur here so often is because really we are all rather compassionate individuals |
| 23:08.40 | Tybusen | And there's nothing wrong with that |
| 23:08.46 | Hachiman | No, of course not |
| 23:08.46 | Wormy_semi_here | Well yes, and it feels good to rant |
| 23:08.51 | Tybusen | I think it's very good that we are very passionate about what we stand for |
| 23:09.24 | Tybusen | And it's great when we can ultimately come to a civil conclusion as we did today |
| 23:10.19 | Tybusen | Can I just say |
| 23:10.23 | Tybusen | I just love you guys |
| 23:10.31 | Hachiman | To death? |
| 23:10.51 | DrodoEmpire | *Ba-dum tiss* |
| 23:10.52 | Tybusen | To death and for life as well |
| 23:13.00 | Tybusen | Hachiman: are you a kid or a squid |
| 23:15.35 | Tybusen | Monet: Would the Draconis be interested in being an associate member of the Allied Bunsen Galaxy? Since they have territory in Bunsen, they're eligible for associate status. |
| 23:16.45 | Hachiman | kuid |
| 23:16.49 | Hachiman | Or sqid |
| 23:18.23 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I want to get Splatoon but I'm going off to university in a couple of months and I don't plan on bringing my Wii U |
| 23:18.23 | Monet | Tybusen: I don't see why not. |
| 23:19.04 | Hachiman | Then ditch Splatoon and get yourself some ink and paint rollers |
| 23:19.11 | Hachiman | Live-action Splatoon |
| 23:19.20 | Wormy_semi_here | Everyone else there will have various consoles |
| 23:19.29 | Wormy_semi_here | It won't get nicked |
| 23:19.54 | Tybusen | I don't know if the university will appreciate their buildings being painted various shades of green and orange |
| 23:20.06 | Tybusen | Not to mention I have yet to master the skill of swimming up a wall |
| 23:20.15 | Monet | Also how prone to theft is a Wii U? |
| 23:20.42 | Hachiman | Not very if Nintendo's sales are to be believed |
| 23:20.44 | Tybusen | I would think the majority of people at my university aren't dicks so probably low |
| 23:21.03 | Tybusen | Not to mention given the sales numbers there might not be that many to steal :> |
| 23:23.05 | Tybusen | Monet: I think it would make most sense for the DI to associate with the ABG starting around the beginning of the GXS since before that the DI-TIAF relationship was pretty rocky |
| 23:23.33 | Monet | Tybusen: Can you link the faction? |
| 23:23.53 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Allied_Bunsen_Galaxy |
| 23:24.18 | Tybusen | The organization was founded roughly a few months before the TIAF became involved in the Andromeda War |
| 23:25.02 | Monet | Fair enough |
| 23:26.25 | Monet | It was their interaction in GITO that spurred better relations |
| 23:27.20 | Tybusen | Since most of the time between the end of the Andromeda War and the founding of GITO was the CyraEmp and TIAF trying to pull the DI into their own camps |
| 23:28.00 | Monet | Yeah that was...quite a rocky time. |
| 23:29.03 | Tybusen | The TIAF likes to think that there was a cold war with the CyraEmp during that time, though to be honest the Empire could have probably wiped the floor with the TIAF if they ever were given a real reason to |
| 23:29.27 | Monet | Suddenly I wonder if part of New Dawn was about the DI's reemergence as a superpower. |
| 23:32.22 | Tybusen | symbolic title names? |
| 23:32.49 | Monet | In terms of time on the wiki, New Dawn was when the DI really began to connect. |
| 23:33.26 | Tybusen | Yeah, New Dawn was the time that the DI really got fleshed out and became a major faction in the Fictionverse |
| 23:34.21 | Monet | The idea for the name was t odo with the AGC emerging after the decline of the Confederation of Andromeda. |
| 23:35.12 | Tybusen | Referring more to "dawn of a new era for Andromeda", yeah |
| 23:49.41 | Hachiman | I think the amount of John Cena memes I have exposed myself to have actually began to give me a genuine interest in wrestling |
| 23:49.54 | Hachiman | It all looks very entertaining |
| 23:50.05 | Tybusen | YOU CAN'T SEE ME |
| 23:50.25 | Monet | Tybusen: You forgot the rabid hand-waving |
| 23:50.30 | Monet | You dissapoint |
| 23:50.59 | *** join/#sporewiki balisticflame (48dd4453@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.221.68.83) |
| 23:51.05 | Tybusen | pulls off his mask to reveal he is a decoy; the real Tybusen emerges from the crowd and breaks a metal folding chair over Monet's head |
| 23:51.32 | Monet | *slightly dazed* You call that a chair slam? |
| 23:51.35 | Wormy_semi_here | One of my fav wrestlers was this big woman who gnawed the ropes. One day a journalist entered her changing room for an "interview" and lost a few teeth |
| 23:51.45 | balisticflame | hello |
| 23:51.50 | Wormy_semi_here | hi |
| 23:51.51 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 23:51.56 | Hachiman | Monet: Are you ready? |
| 23:52.08 | DrodoEmpire | Oh hi there |
| 23:53.08 | Monet | Hachiman: I've drawn a blank lol |
| 23:53.12 | Hachiman | Are you ready for THIS SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN WWE CHAMP JOHN CENA DEFENDS HIS TITLE IN THE WWE SUUUUUPERSLAAAAAM |
| 23:54.27 | Wormy_semi_here | I believe it was Awesome Kong http://www.lethalwow.com/wrestler/kharma.php |
| 23:56.54 | Tybusen | She's the leader of the bunch |
| 23:56.58 | Tybusen | You know her well |
| 23:57.06 | Tybusen | She's finally back |
| 23:57.09 | Tybusen | To kick some tail |
| 23:58.04 | Hachiman | WALNUTS, PEANUTS, PINEAPPLE SMELLS |
| 23:58.15 | Hachiman | GRAPES, MELONS, ORANGES, AND COCONUT SHELLS |
| 23:58.32 | Wormy_semi_here | Hachi: https://twitter.com/divadirt/status/614410568863215616 |
| 23:58.33 | Monet | DRINK, ARSE, FECK, WOMEN |
| 23:58.37 | Hachiman | ohgod |
| 23:58.40 | Hachiman | I miss Father Ted |
| 23:59.06 | Hachiman | Wormy_semi_here: She genuinely scares me |
