| 00:03.27 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:13.20 | OfficerJackal | DrodoEmpire: You got an F. |
| 00:13.46 | Wormy_ | China woman dies after being swallowed by an escalator http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33672037 |
| 00:14.19 | OfficerJackal | Wormy_: Oh yeah, heard about that on CNN today, fucking tragedy. |
| 00:14.51 | Wormy_ | She still managed to save her son, at least |
| 00:15.07 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, but poor kid will have to go on without his mother, sad stuff. |
| 00:16.03 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.04 | Monet | China is the land that Health and Safetty forgot. |
| 00:17.13 | OfficerJackal | Hmmm, speaking of things that crush you, that reminds me of a video I once saw, also out of China, which showed some college student getting his leg stuck in an elevator as it went down between the shaft and the top of the elevator, as he was inside it. |
| 00:17.22 | OfficerJackal | And you just saw him slowly die. |
| 00:17.57 | Wormy_ | Seen it, it was sad |
| 00:18.41 | Wormy_ | Another shocking thing I saw go about Facebook was a man putting ducklings into a meat grinder. |
| 00:18.59 | Monet | Some people... |
| 00:19.15 | Wormy_ | That is not something I seek out watching, but it just appeared on friend's walls etc. |
| 00:19.23 | OfficerJackal | X( Hmm, yeah, watching videos where animals get severely hurt for some reason is really hard for me to do, I don't think I've seen that one. |
| 00:20.14 | Hachiman | I thought he ran them over with a lawnmower rather than put them in a grinder? |
| 00:22.02 | Monet | Both are horrible |
| 00:22.06 | OfficerJackal | BRB will quick. |
| 00:22.42 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure, I only saw a glance of it |
| 00:23.05 | Wormy_ | I wonder what became of him |
| 00:23.42 | Monet | People like that give me dark hopes they suffer a similar fate eventually |
| 00:24.09 | Monet | "You enjoy grinding up live animals? We'll see how you like it then" |
| 00:24.58 | Wormy_ | he got arrested |
| 00:25.12 | Wormy_ | Same |
| 00:25.28 | Wormy_ | They need fucking punishment |
| 00:26.43 | Wormy_ | In fact if I had caught someone doing that |
| 00:27.01 | Wormy_ | I would attack them |
| 00:27.23 | Wormy_ | I don't care if I get beaten up, as long as I inflicted enough damage |
| 00:30.02 | Wormy_ | We live in an age where an old man can be beaten to death in the street and people just look out the window |
| 00:30.20 | Wormy_ | It happened during the 2011 riots |
| 00:30.39 | Wormy_ | The man probably thought he be defended by his neigbors |
| 00:30.54 | Monet | A lot of the country went crazy back then |
| 00:31.34 | Wormy_ | I will never get over the chav who stole a pack of rice from poundland and posed to take a photo |
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| 00:32.29 | Wormy_ | Tesco but close enough hurhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3WRTjKlpZs/TkJomWkNouI/AAAAAAAAABA/mc2ocVhqX7A/s1600/basmati+rice+looter.jpg |
| 00:32.33 | Wormy_ | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3WRTjKlpZs/TkJomWkNouI/AAAAAAAAABA/mc2ocVhqX7A/s1600/basmati+rice+looter.jpg |
| 00:32.51 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:32.54 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
| 00:33.49 | Wormy_ | Hachi: This might have been it http://www.newsweek.com/watch-shocking-video-live-ducklings-being-thrown-grinder-foie-gras-production-278043 |
| 00:38.31 | Wormy_ | it was a more dramatic version where you actually saw them being turned to paste |
| 00:38.39 | Wormy_ | it was absolutely horrific |
| 00:39.13 | Hachiman | Eugh |
| 01:13.58 | AdmiralPanda | always found that stuff wierd anyway, liquidised liver just doesn't sound appealing |
| 01:14.39 | Hachiman | You would be surprised what some people get off on |
| 01:15.15 | AdmiralPanda | well to be fair, the Icelandish eat shark that's been fermented underground for at least 6 months |
| 01:15.51 | Hachiman | The actual fuck |
| 01:16.56 | Monet | Its a delicacy. |
| 01:16.57 | AdmiralPanda | apparently it's pretty tasty |
| 01:17.16 | Monet | And fuck I forgot the name! |
| 01:17.44 | AdmiralPanda | it's not mammi, that's fermented fish enjoyed by everyone else |
| 01:19.18 | Monet | Ah, its called Hákarl |
| 01:19.42 | Monet | Its fermented because themeat of the sharks that live around Iceland are poisonous. |
| 01:20.05 | Monet | So they bury it and ferment it to remove the poison |
| 01:21.49 | Monet | Its only relly tasty if you have the stomach forit |
| 01:22.47 | Hachiman | Well I do like seafood hur |
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| 02:18.28 | Monet | goodnight |
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| 08:25.45 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 08:26.03 | Liquid_Ink | Hey |
| 08:26.33 | AdmiralPanda | how's things? |
| 08:30.04 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah pretty good |
| 08:30.18 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 09:37.56 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 10:16.29 | Imperios | Hi Ink |
| 10:20.03 | Liquid_Ink | Hey Impy, how are you? |
| 10:20.42 | Imperios | Oh, I am okay |
| 10:20.52 | Imperios | Got back from Italy recently |
| 10:20.54 | Imperios | Well, a week ago |
| 10:25.33 | Liquid_Ink | That's recently |
| 10:27.13 | Liquid_Ink | Also, I had an idea that you should voice to your government: If Russia want's Ukraine to love it again, it just needs to let them join the EU. Merkel will austerity them to death and then they'll come wimpering back to you |
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| 10:28.00 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 10:48.16 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: Brilliant |
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| 11:02.28 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/AeGDH3R.png |
| 11:04.01 | Wormy_ | lol |
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| 11:04.56 | Liquid_Ink | Lolololol |
| 11:04.58 | Monet | The EU's secret weapon.... |
| 11:05.29 | Wormy_ | If I saw that I'd get them both http://imgur.com/gallery/rymAk4d |
| 11:05.30 | Monet | The most debt-ridden country in the Western Hemisphere. |
| 11:05.39 | Liquid_Ink | Wait, why is Belarus in the dead pile? Aren't they Russia's fuck buddy? |
| 11:06.41 | Monet | Seems Russia got bored. |
| 11:07.10 | Liquid_Ink | I just noticed Zimbabwe |
| 11:07.36 | Imperios | They kinda are though they seem touchy about their independence too |
| 11:07.44 | Imperios | Then again I would be too if I were Lukashenko |
| 11:08.30 | Monet | Belarus - Russia, it was fun, you're a great pal but I want some space. Russia - Yeahno *squish* |
| 11:09.50 | Monet | Ireland doesn't appear to eb very...invested in that cartoon. |
| 11:10.27 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/JkJ2tap |
| 11:11.20 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/AjMrOmQ |
| 11:11.25 | Imperios | Lukashenko mostly wants to be bro with us because EU wouldn't let him have the power he can have in the EAU |
| 11:11.27 | Imperios | I assume |
| 11:11.47 | Imperios | And Belarussians aren't as nationalist as Ukrainians in general |
| 11:11.50 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/IREgUaF.jpg |
| 11:13.15 | Monet | Wait which country is that flying by a balloon? |
| 11:13.37 | Liquid_Ink | Zimbabwe |
| 11:13.58 | Monet | Oh I get it now |
| 11:14.22 | Liquid_Ink | Worse than Greece, not as bad as Japan. |
| 11:15.10 | Monet | Japanball would currently be in orbit. |
| 11:17.08 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.49 | Liquid_Ink | Italy seems traumatised. |
| 11:19.14 | Wormy_ | Imperios: http://imgur.com/gallery/GP9lR |
| 11:20.26 | Monet | Its afraid that with the Balkans gone, it might be next. |
| 11:22.41 | Wormy_ | Never fall asleep in front of your friends http://imgur.com/gallery/rCPjKeR |
| 11:22.48 | Wormy_ | They covered me in makeup |
| 11:23.34 | Monet | So out of the council, Ireland's passed out, France is extremely worried, Germany is in Srs General mode, Britain's putting a brave face on and Italy's suffering shellshock. |
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| 11:35.32 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:39.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 12:14.24 | AdmiralPanda | perfect timing |
| 12:14.27 | AdmiralPanda | hai buni |
| 12:14.32 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:14.42 | AdmiralPanda | F:NV made me angry |
| 12:14.45 | Hachiman | What are we discussing? |
| 12:14.47 | Hachiman | Oh right |
| 12:15.09 | AdmiralPanda | they're discussing something to do with weaponising greece's debt last I looked |
| 12:15.27 | AdmiralPanda | I just said perfect timing because you appeared at exactly the moment I stopped playing games |
| 12:15.45 | Hachiman | Weaponising Greece's debt |
| 12:16.23 | Hachiman | What you mean as in engineering a force which utterly destroys all forms of currency |
| 12:16.34 | AdmiralPanda | it was a polandball comic |
| 12:16.49 | AdmiralPanda | they fired greece at russia and then russia inflated and flew away or something silly like that |
| 12:17.05 | Hachiman | hur |
| 12:17.26 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah, F:NV's npc AI annoyed me |
| 12:17.50 | AdmiralPanda | essentially I failed a quest because the NPC I was escorting ran into my kick and broke his leg |
| 12:18.03 | AdmiralPanda | and then since he was afraid of me he wouldn't come with me to end the damn quest |
| 12:18.30 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Imp linked that comic earlier. I thought it was hilarious. |
| 12:19.07 | AdmiralPanda | I know he linked the comic earlier, that was the last time I was around so that's the last discussion I knew about |
| 12:19.15 | Monet | Ahright |
| 12:21.55 | AdmiralPanda | I've got to say, Fallout: New Vegas still has my favourite means of dispatching a villain ever |
| 12:22.13 | AdmiralPanda | namely, have sex with him and then kill him while you're at it |
| 12:25.56 | Monet | So they went out with a bang. |
| 12:27.24 | Monet | (was reading conspiracy theorieso n TV tropes) |
| 12:29.49 | Monet | I think my favourites are the ones that can be picked apart using a few details the theorists might have missed |
| 12:30.23 | Wormy_ | Liquid_Ink, Monet, Hachiman: How to Launch a Nuclear Missile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knDIENvBTgw |
| 12:30.38 | Wormy_ | Imperios too... |
| 12:32.25 | Monet | One conspiracy example is that Russia conspired to have the 2014 Winter Olympics in Chechnya with the intent of staging a 9/11 like event to justify a Russian war for oil against Chechnya and Georgia |
| 12:33.36 | Monet | Two problems with this theory: 1: Russia is practically swimming in oil anyway and 2) Chechnya's part of Russia - no annexation required. |
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| 13:04.03 | Monet | Hello |
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| 13:04.16 | Hachiman | Fucking internet |
| 13:04.19 | Hachiman | Eugh brb |
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| 13:05.15 | Hachiman | Right finally |
| 13:05.29 | DarcySupremest | Haeeeeylmao |
| 13:05.31 | DarcySupremest | also hey Hachi |
| 13:05.34 | Hachiman | Can somebody indulge me onto the origins of the Mafia and why they arose in Italy |
| 13:16.38 | Imperios | Monet: >Winter Olympics |
| 13:16.41 | Imperios | >In Chechnya |
| 13:16.48 | Imperios | Do these theorists even geography |
| 13:16.58 | Imperios | Okay Sochi is IN the Caucasus but still |
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| 13:17.29 | Hachiman_ | Fucking |
| 13:17.33 | Imperios | Also we basically bought Chechnya's loyalty after the war |
| 13:17.44 | Wormy_ | I do not know the origins of the Mafia |
| 13:17.48 | Hachiman_ | I dunno why my internet is being so shitty |
| 13:17.49 | Monet | Imperios: Actually I was slightly mistaken |
| 13:17.57 | Imperios | Hachiman: Sicily |
| 13:18.00 | Monet | There was a Winter Olympics in nearby Sochi i n2014 |
| 13:18.19 | Wormy_ | but I did share this with you a while back, "How to launch a nuclear missile" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knDIENvBTgw |
| 13:18.26 | Imperios | Like similar organisations it arose as a clan-esque system meant to protect the common people |
| 13:18.29 | Imperios | But eventually degraded |
| 13:18.54 | Hachiman_ | I see |
| 13:19.06 | Imperios | At least that is what was written in Godfather hur |
| 13:19.34 | Monet | The Sicilian mafia is interesting as while it does claim territory, its hold tends to be more absolute than your typical gang territory. |
| 13:22.00 | Monet | The Mafia are also known for being men of honour. As Impy said, protectors who degraded |
| 13:23.08 | Monet | Whenever I think of the Mafia I imagien men in suits working out of front businesses |
| 13:23.08 | Hachiman | That's fair enough |
| 13:24.33 | Imperios | Monet: Although I can confirm that the Winter Olympics did cause a burst of patriotism/craziness among the public in Russia |
| 13:24.43 | Imperios | Alongside the Euromaidan |
| 13:24.49 | Imperios | There can be two explanations |
| 13:25.21 | Imperios | Either Putin used the Winter Olympics to make Russians high so they would approve of taking Crimea |
| 13:25.32 | Imperios | Or Putin himself was high from the Olympics while taking Crimea |
| 13:30.17 | Monet | Looking about, it may have been connected to puported claims by divisions of the Caucasus Emierate that threatened to bomb the event. And claimed to have bene responsible for the late-2013 Volgograd bombings. |
| 13:32.09 | Monet | As I said, the claims are 9/11-like since a number of conspiracy theorists believe that the United States planned the WTC attack. |
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| 13:36.37 | Luxor | Hai |
| 13:36.43 | Monet | Hi |
| 13:36.47 | Monet | Imperios: As I said before, one of the things I often love about these conspiracy theories is when the theorists dismiss/miss out the obvious. |
| 13:36.47 | Luxor | Oh |
| 13:36.58 | Luxor | I didn't think anyone would be online in such an 'early' time |
| 13:37.12 | Luxor | Experiment paid off. |
| 13:43.44 | Hachiman | Eugh there is no food in the house |
| 13:44.04 | Hachiman | All there is to eat is fucking KitKats |
| 13:45.30 | Luxor | Switzerland refused building islam kindergarten |
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| 13:48.29 | Monet | tbf Luxor, Islamic Schools have a somewhat questionable reputation here in the UK. |
| 13:48.42 | Luxor | Islam sucks anyway at all |
| 13:49.13 | Monet | You're not taking ISIS or Al Quaeda as a benchmark are you? |
| 13:49.32 | Luxor | Shariah says, that if the arab woman gets raped in the street, its her fault because she seduced a man to do so... |
| 13:49.53 | Luxor | No, I'm not, though it's crazy religion anyway |
| 13:49.55 | Wormy_ | The problems in Islam are politically motivated. |
| 13:50.27 | Luxor | Once I heard that the 'prophet' has never asked his fellow people to kill anyone... |
| 13:50.59 | Wormy_ | I believe Islam is undergoing something like the Christian reformation, and also undergoing a clash with Western ideals. Only open minded criticism and tolerance on both sides will solve these problems. |
| 13:51.17 | Monet | Luxor: Nonviolent approches is a core aspect of Islam |
| 13:51.20 | Luxor | The problem is, that the Church would like to talk, but islam does not so |
| 13:51.58 | Luxor | I wish that the Christians (I'm catholic) and muslims could talk normally, creating a tolerant interaction |
| 13:52.33 | Wormy_ | But Christianity has had longer in Western culture to assimilate Western ideals of criticism and tolerance. |
| 13:52.38 | Luxor | Thou US made this all mess with ISIS on it's onw... |
| 13:53.49 | Monet | I don't think the ISIS issue is that simple |
| 13:54.17 | Luxor | It's not |
| 13:54.24 | Luxor | Thou that;s it's origin |
| 13:54.33 | Wormy_ | I think we did mess up in the Middle East |
| 13:54.54 | Luxor | Gosh, need to leave |
| 13:55.02 | Luxor | See ya tomorrow! |
| 13:56.39 | Wormy_ | I hate it when people confuse religion and politics. |
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| 14:01.31 | Hachiman | Fuck sake |
| 14:02.46 | DarcySupremest | Oh Hachi I didn't know you were on vacation in australia |
| 14:02.48 | DarcySupremest | kekekekeke |
| 14:02.57 | Wormy_ | wat |
| 14:04.29 | Hachiman | At least I can play on European servers in real-time |
| 14:04.31 | Hachiman | :p |
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| 14:04.58 | Wormy_ | I dun geddit |
| 14:05.04 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:05.24 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 14:05.40 | DarcySupremest | Hachi pls all I have when I play splatoon is the PAL servers |
| 14:05.46 | DarcySupremest | it hurts to mention |
| 14:05.59 | DarcySupremest | also Wormy, the internet is trash here |
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| 14:22.41 | Hachiman | Ugh brb |
| 14:44.51 | Imperios | Monet: Not necessarily |
| 14:45.01 | Imperios | Nonviolent approaches AND violent approaches are acceptable in Islam |
| 14:58.23 | Imperios | Hm |
| 14:58.25 | Imperios | About what Luxor said |
| 14:59.03 | Imperios | The Muslim world is even less unified than the Christian world |
| 14:59.18 | Imperios | Keep in mind they haven't had a religious authority for a century or something |
| 14:59.34 | Imperios | And the Sunni clergy has little hierarchy within |
| 15:00.24 | Imperios | So it depends A LOT on the group in question, kinda like with the Protestants |
| 15:00.44 | Imperios | The local Muslim groups are more open to contact |
| 15:01.03 | Imperios | But hey Luxor is a Pole |
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| 15:05.07 | ImpyDroid | Tell me if Luxor comes back |
| 15:06.04 | Monet | Yeah, Luxor may or may not know about the IRA. |
| 15:07.30 | ImpyDroid | He ought to know about rebel groups right at his corner though |
| 15:07.37 | ImpyDroid | I mean he is a Pole |
| 15:10.14 | Monet | H emight be unaware |
| 15:11.30 | Monet | The general Islamic community in the UK is strongly opposed to IS and has asked that steps be taken to protect the faithful against dais threat. |
| 15:11.37 | ImpyDroid | Doubt it |
| 15:11.39 | Monet | this* |
| 15:12.07 | ImpyDroid | Polish Catholic zeal is strong |
| 15:12.22 | ImpyDroid | But it is nothing compared to their hatred for Russia hur |
| 15:12.38 | ImpyDroid | So he must be aware of Novorossia |
| 15:12.45 | Monet | In my experience the Islamic community can be communicated with. It might be easier than in the middle-east. |
| 15:12.56 | Monet | easier here* |
| 15:13.38 | ImpyDroid | They ARE mostly militant but then again so are Europeans, so who says that two warrior cultures cannot make peace? |
| 15:13.54 | ImpyDroid | We have had peace with Muslim Turks for centuries |
| 15:14.26 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
| 15:14.50 | ImpyDroid | Are you talking about Muslims in Western Europe or in the Balkans/Middle East? |
| 15:16.01 | Monet | Western Muslims |
| 15:16.04 | DarcySupremest | Can a wiki wizard jog my memory, how do you make a Wiki page URL jump to a specific section of the page again |
| 15:17.13 | ImpyDroid | Ya |
| 15:17.40 | Monet | It might in part be that due to Britain's involvement with India, Bangladesh and Nepal, I can't think of that many who jump to the conclusion that turban = Muslim. |
| 15:17.40 | ImpyDroid | I think these often turn to extremism because they cannot be accepted in society |
| 15:17.58 | ImpyDroid | I actually think that is where Russia was successful more than the West |
| 15:18.31 | ImpyDroid | We had a unifying ideology and a policy of multiculturalism |
| 15:18.56 | ImpyDroid | And I do not think Europe can create the former |
| 15:20.37 | Monet | The confusion of turban= muslim may come from the fact that figures like Osama Bin Ladan wore osmething that either was or was reminiscent of a turban |
| 15:20.59 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
| 15:21.54 | Monet | A lot of Sikhs I've seen growing up wear this http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1313084.1370475312!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg |
| 15:24.06 | Monet | So here in Britain the "turban = Muslim" confusion isn't very prominent. |
| 15:26.59 | ImpyDroid | Russian Muslims are identifiable by ridiculous red shoes hur |
| 15:27.08 | ImpyDroid | If they're Chechen |
| 15:27.22 | ImpyDroid | If they're Central Asian they really dress like everyone else |
| 15:28.26 | Monet | Wow. http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/04/less-than-40-percent-of-would-be-mps-claim-a-belief-in-god according to this, 2% of prospective parliamentery candidates are either Buddhist or Muslim. |
| 15:28.55 | Monet | So there are likely a very small number of Muslims in Parliament. |
| 15:29.38 | ImpyDroid | I am surprised there are actually Muslims in your parliament hur |
| 15:29.52 | ImpyDroid | Not sure if we have any outside of regional governments |
| 15:30.19 | Monet | THen again the same article mentions that over 2/5th of said candidates are areligious. |
| 15:31.17 | Monet | ImpyDroid: How about this http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/uk/uk-record-13-muslim-mps-elected-8-of-them-women/ |
| 15:32.04 | Monet | Since May, 13 (out of 650) MPs identify as Muslim. 8 of them are women. |
| 15:33.12 | ImpyDroid | Huh |
| 15:33.20 | ImpyDroid | They have come a long way |
| 15:33.22 | Monet | 1 is SNP, 8 are Labour, 3 are Tory. |
| 15:33.36 | ImpyDroid | Thank God none are BNP |
| 15:35.24 | Monet | BNP are to racist to let that happen |
| 15:36.59 | Monet | A few years ago the BNP did admit its first non-white member. His name is Rajinder Singh and he despises Muslims. |
| 15:37.13 | Monet | Bravo Mr. Griffin lol |
| 15:37.36 | Monet | Oh yeah and he's also an *Indian* |
| 15:39.04 | Monet | The BNP are, well, mostly dead |
| 15:39.32 | Monet | Ever since Farage appeared, Nick Griffin and his white supremacists have fallen out of the spotlight. |
| 15:40.21 | ImpyDroid | Monet: The enemy of my enemy is my friend indeed |
| 15:41.06 | Monet | Huh. Between the 2010 and 2015 elections their membership has gone down from 330 to.. |
| 15:41.08 | Monet | Wait for it |
| 15:41.23 | Monet | 8 |
| 15:41.39 | ImpyDroid | That's no longer a party |
| 15:41.46 | ImpyDroid | That's an evil conspiracy |
| 15:41.53 | ImpyDroid | I BET THEY ARE BEHIND 7/7 |
| 15:42.07 | Monet | This is party candidates |
| 15:42.28 | Monet | They got about 2000 votes in the 2015 elections |
| 15:42.57 | ImpyDroid | Oh |
| 15:43.04 | ImpyDroid | Aren't UKIP nationalists too though? |
| 15:43.18 | Monet | Yeah but they're not as racist. |
| 15:43.36 | ImpyDroid | So like the LDPR then |
| 15:43.43 | Monet | BNP is like...British Nazis. No one wants ot associate with them |
| 15:44.25 | ImpyDroid | We have two main nationalist groups in Russia: the illegal Nazi-ish DPNI and the legal Putin-bootlickers from tbe LDPR |
| 15:44.32 | ImpyDroid | Funny thing is |
| 15:44.37 | ImpyDroid | BOTH GROUPS ARE LED BY JEWS |
| 15:44.46 | ImpyDroid | Okay not Jews |
| 15:44.56 | ImpyDroid | People of partial Jewish descent |
| 15:45.14 | Monet | How troll |
| 15:45.29 | Monet | I'm not sure if the BNP can recover now |
| 15:47.29 | Monet | The vast majority of their votes came from County Durham just north of Yorkshire. |
| 15:47.53 | Monet | And even then they got less than 5% of the vote for the constituency |
| 15:48.44 | Monet | County Durham is one of the country's coal mining counties. |
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| 15:52.03 | Monet | No wait my mistake |
| 15:52.07 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:52.11 | Hachiman | Let's try this again |
| 15:52.20 | Hachiman | Where the Hell has everyone gone |
| 15:52.39 | Monet | Dunno |
| 15:56.15 | ImpyDroid | I am here |
| 15:56.28 | DarcySupremest | We're all here dude |
| 15:57.09 | Hachiman | It was much more active earlier |
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| 16:02.25 | Wormy_ | hi] |
| 16:02.51 | Wormy_ | It is a quiet day. |
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| 16:08.45 | Hachiman | I was just saying that |
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| 16:15.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 16:22.15 | Hachiman_ | Fucking please |
| 16:23.36 | Monet | Has it ever been this bad for this long? |
| 16:23.50 | Hachiman_ | I am unsure |
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| 16:31.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:55.36 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/TB3pD7J |
| 16:56.14 | Wormy_ | #http://imgur.com/gallery/diZb4SG |
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| 16:58.36 | Wormy_ | Real or tattoo? http://imgur.com/gallery/NafxInO |
| 16:58.39 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 16:58.46 | Wormy_ | Oh and its gross I should say |
| 17:01.11 | Wormy_ | its real |
| 17:03.32 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/zSNbBnG |
| 17:03.36 | Wormy_ | blue sushi then |
| 17:05.40 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/wjvNtYf |
| 17:06.08 | Wormy_ | Artharon brutality |
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| 17:10.55 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/260/471/9/S2604719/slug/l/tumb-tack-condom-1.jpg |
| 17:11.17 | Wormy_ | Marge didn't http://imgur.com/gallery/UxFKBzm |
| 17:11.17 | Hachiman | hur |
| 17:12.27 | Wormy_ | ded http://i.imgur.com/fcGCPbd.jpg |
| 17:13.30 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/IREgUaF.jpg |
| 17:16.19 | Hachiman | Monet: A couple of days back I was reading an article about the modern Adeptus Custodes and their set of traditions post-Heresy, which included the likes of forsaking their armour and remaining within the Imperial Palace and such, and wondered about how the Custodes actually train given they do not set foot off of Terra |
| 17:17.09 | Wormy_ | reminds of that film Evolution where the alien bites the dumb blonde who thinks it's a dog |
| 17:17.40 | Hachiman | And then I read up that due to the damage afflicted upon Terra during the Heresy, the Custodes are actually fighting a seemingly-eternal battle *within* a segment of the Imperial Palace which has been locked down and quarantined due to containing an entrance into the Warp |
| 17:19.00 | Hachiman | The Custodes are actually always fighting, their personnel simply get switched from guard duty to frontline duty and vice versa |
| 17:19.42 | Hachiman | They are one of the most significant factors as to why Terra has not been overran with Daemons as of yet hur |
| 17:20.15 | Monet | Pretty much. |
| 17:23.39 | Monet | Although i ntheory they could still train themselves. |
| 17:25.00 | Hachiman | True but you cannot really train for frontline experience without frontline experience |
| 17:27.12 | Monet | Hmm true, unles the knowledge was passed down from senior Custodes |
| 17:28.34 | Hachiman | While that is true, if Terra ever got invaded by Daemons or the Emperor was put at risk by Chaos, the Custodes would not have the experience to counter them if they did not have exposure to them in combat before |
| 17:29.12 | Hachiman | It would be like fielding an army of egotistical rookies with no knowledge of how to counter the threat they were intended to oppose |
| 17:29.46 | Monet | Good point |
| 17:30.01 | Monet | BTW your connection appears to have smoothed out for the moment |
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| 17:33.26 | Hachiman_ | Fuck |
| 17:33.56 | Hachiman_ | On a somewhat unrelated topic, I wonder about the ethical or moral implications and controversies that would arise from cloning and recreating an extinct sapient species back into existence to start over |
| 17:33.57 | Wormy_ | Monet jinxed it. |
| 17:34.03 | Wormy_ | "<Monet> BTW your connection appears to have smoothed out for the moment" |
| 17:34.37 | Hachiman_ | Yeah I saw |
| 17:34.56 | Monet | Sorry :( |
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| 17:35.12 | Hachiman_ | Hai Imp |
| 17:36.24 | Imperios | Huya |
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| 17:37.46 | Hachiman | Fuck it, I am gonna try kiwiirc from my laptop |
| 17:37.54 | Hachiman | On a somewhat unrelated topic, I wonder about the ethical or moral implications and controversies that would arise from cloning and recreating an extinct sapient species back into existence to start over |
| 17:38.38 | Hachiman | Like say humanity has been extinct for some couple million years and then another intelligent civilisation recreates them and lets them roam freely |
| 17:40.05 | Monet | Good question |
| 17:42.07 | Wormy_ | I think it would be ethical, there is enough space in the universe, and if the potentiality is there for beings with enough knowledge to create us, then why not. |
| 17:42.59 | Wormy_ | However, I'm not sure if it would be ethical for us to restore extinct animals as we stand now. Why make sanctuaries for mammoths when the African and Pygmy Elephants are dying out? |
| 17:43.53 | Wormy_ | It would be cool to go to Ice Age Park but what about the Elephants. Think of the Elephants! |
| 17:44.22 | Hachiman | But should the recreated species be considered the same entities they were before they became extinct? What about access to their pre-extinction history if it was recorded |
| 17:45.20 | Hachiman | Like say you happen to recreate a species that were violent warmongers prior to their extinction but they are otherwise unaware of this history |
| 17:45.52 | Wormy_ | Not as our current technology stands no, we may not create mammoths exactly as they were. However, since mammoths and humans are basically abstract information, if we could copy them exactly then they will belong to that genotype and phenotype |
| 17:46.17 | Ghelae | If you bring the first generation up to not be violent warmongers, then is them learning about their history going to change that, or is it going to make them grateful that they've been given a chance to be better than that? |
| 17:46.57 | Ghelae | The best course of action might depend on their personality. Although is knowingly witholding information from them ethical in the first place? |
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| 17:48.16 | Hachiman | And what if the civilisation that recreated them and influenced them were the ones responsible for the extinction of their kind before |
| 17:48.29 | Wormy_ | The violence you speak of sounds more like culture than biology. And if they are brought up more tolerant and critical they may not act out as they did rationally. |
| 17:49.01 | Ghelae | Again, I'd say that depends on how they react. It's the same thing: does it make them want to go to war or does it make them grateful that they've been given a second chance? |
| 17:49.54 | Ghelae | That in itself might depend on the circumstances. Was their extinction an accident or was it deliberate genocide? Was it done by a previous generation or the ones bringing them back? |
| 17:50.18 | Ghelae | Not to mention their intrinsic psychological tendencies, as well as cultural influences. |
| 17:51.01 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 17:51.01 | Wormy_ | It ultimately depends on the values of their culture they were brought into. Though there would always be those who act in revenge and so on. |
| 17:52.00 | Wormy_ | But if the species that brought them back from extinction only did so for slavery, entertainment or repeated genocide, then you might have a rebellion. |
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| 17:52.19 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 17:52.19 | Wormy_ | Actually wouldn't that make a good story? |
| 17:52.25 | Ghelae | As for whether the recreated species should be considered the same as the ones that became extinct: if they're genetically identical (and not approximations like, as Wormy mentioned, we would do with mammoths), then that's about as good a definition of "same species" as you can get. |
| 17:52.25 | Hachiman | It may |
| 17:52.26 | Wormy_ | hello |
| 17:52.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:52.39 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 17:53.03 | Ghelae | But that doesn't mean that they need to have the same culture. Hopefully there'd be more than just the violent warmonger aspects of their culture recorded should they wish to emulate it, however. |
| 17:53.54 | Cyrannian | ~glomp OluapPlayer |
| 17:53.55 | infobot | ACTION becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps OluapPlayer |
| 17:54.11 | OluapPlayer | ~kill Cyrannian |
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| 18:00.10 | Wormy_ | Part of me wants to see the Neanderthals brought back. But then I have had a similar question, what if they supplant us? Or maybe I am being unfair, maybe we are sufficiently similar that it wouldn't be supplanting. Just genocide |
| 18:00.35 | Ghelae | If we brought back Neanderthals, we'd probably do what we did before and hybridise our differences away again. |
| 18:00.54 | Wormy_ | Probably |
| 18:01.09 | Hachiman | Unless we allow the Neanderthals to develop independently |
| 18:01.19 | Hachiman | To allow for their own cultural diversities |
| 18:02.26 | Wormy_ | I believe we have mapped their genome. We could create them by a great approximation. And maybe they will be. And I believe a Neanderthal brought up in modern culture would be as intelligent as anyone-else. They just weren't creative enough when we were creative. |
| 18:03.32 | Wormy_ | They lived in smaller communities, shared less ideas, developed tools more slowly, and were unable to survive the encroaching grasslands because they couldn't hunt with the weapons they had. |
| 18:03.59 | Wormy_ | But just before they disappeared, cave art thought to be of Neanderthal design appeared |
| 18:05.21 | Wormy_ | But maybe brought up in a modern culture, they could be creative |
| 18:06.03 | Wormy_ | Creativity only really exploded in the very last period of human history up to now |
| 18:09.46 | Wormy_ | The end of Vsauce's "Our Narrow Slice" shows that |
| 18:10.04 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:10.55 | Wormy_ | And to but known human history in perspective with the modern age, we learned how stars worked within 40 years of analysing their spectra using various other parts of science |
| 18:11.02 | Wormy_ | *and to put |
| 18:11.50 | Wormy_ | What are humans doing now they weren't in the previous 100,000? Surely people have always looked up and wondered what they are |
| 18:12.37 | Wormy_ | This TED talk goes on about it nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=folTvNDL08A |
| 18:13.03 | Wormy_ | And to put it even more perspective, what humans are doing in the last century no biological adaption has ever evolved! |
| 18:14.50 | Wormy_ | People who bang on about the Singularity don't realise we are living it! |
| 18:15.34 | Wormy_ | and better, we are adapting to it as it changes us |
| 18:17.01 | Hachiman | The Singularity is going to be a gradual process rather than a radical one |
| 18:17.17 | Hachiman | And we will not even know it has happened |
| 18:20.00 | Wormy_ | The problem with the idea of the Singularity is the assumption that machines will be beyond our understanding. But that just can't be true, anything that is machine computable, is human computable, and vise-versa. They may operate faster, but the fear that we will be left behind is an old one. Those machines will be an extension our our modes of thinking, we will always keep up with them |
| 18:20.43 | Wormy_ | Robot science and robot logic will never be incomprehensible to human beings |
| 18:21.05 | Wormy_ | And it certainly isn't computing power than sits behind intelligence |
| 18:21.53 | Wormy_ | I agree, the creation of AI will be gradual, and we may not know it at first. But whatever it is, won't be a god and we would evolve together |
| 18:22.18 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:23.43 | Wormy_ | I feel we are already living in an explosion of creativity, that has radically progressing science, technology and our way of life. Although polotics, morals and so on have a long way to catch up. |
| 18:24.12 | Wormy_ | I suppose it relates to memes at the end of the day |
| 18:24.49 | Wormy_ | Which can be progressive or anti-progressive |
| 18:35.58 | Wormy_ | I am going to work on some personal projects. |
| 18:41.24 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Monet Hachiman: Do you think I should give Lupercal a new name? |
| 18:41.28 | Imperios | It's a bit too humanlike |
| 18:41.32 | OluapPlayer | Not really |
| 18:41.45 | OluapPlayer | I'm against renaming established things unless it's absolutely necessary |
| 18:43.19 | Monet | I think the name's okay |
| 18:43.54 | Hachiman | I think it is fine considering we have the ruler of a giant empire of space dragons called Uriel |
| 18:44.02 | Imperios | It could be a literal translation of his nickname perhaps |
| 18:45.04 | Monet | Hehe :) |
| 18:45.06 | Imperios | Its actual meaning is "of the one who wards off the wolves" apparently |
| 18:45.15 | Monet | Yeah my noobisshness there |
| 18:45.36 | Monet | Though I have mentioned that the fist syllable is an Ooh sound rather than a yur sound |
| 18:45.44 | OluapPlayer | Lupercal - STUPID DOG |
| 18:46.03 | Hachiman | Even though Lupercal is a cave named after a mythological wolf |
| 18:46.39 | Imperios | Named after a god that wards of wolves |
| 18:46.39 | Hachiman | Or for a wolf rather |
| 18:46.42 | Hachiman | I dunno |
| 18:47.11 | OluapPlayer | Lupercal - i could be warding wolves off in the heavens instead i'm a spider |
| 18:49.48 | Hachiman | Just keep his name as Lupercal hur |
| 18:52.13 | Hachiman | brb dinner |
| 18:52.24 | OluapPlayer | eet shit |
| 18:57.49 | Wormy_away | https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-moths-do-not-get-attracted-to-sun.825188/ |
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| 19:15.51 | Imperios | Cyrannian: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Marquar_Cuinn ...Did you just bring Quinn into SporeWiki? |
| 19:15.55 | Imperios | That's fucking brilliant |
| 19:16.55 | Cyrannian | I was counting down the days until you noticed :P |
| 19:21.14 | Hachiman | Back |
| 19:21.50 | OluapPlayer | ew go away |
| 19:22.56 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Polar_Crystal_Alliance/Penumbra_Unit#X013_-_Aentaeus new Penumbran |
| 19:23.03 | OluapPlayer | Gonna see if I can make more |
| 19:24.24 | Imperios | Saren comes |
| 19:24.26 | Hachiman | Make Rovegar one pls |
| 19:24.58 | OluapPlayer | rite |
| 19:25.06 | OluapPlayer | she'll be the biggest prude of the whole alliance |
| 19:25.24 | Hachiman | dats qt but no |
| 19:25.41 | OluapPlayer | ye |
| 19:25.46 | OluapPlayer | becuz FUCK u dats y |
| 19:26.34 | Hachiman | do dat an ill retcon kalcedia 2 die |
| 19:27.42 | OluapPlayer | like u'd have the guts 4 dis |
| 19:28.17 | Hachiman | u dunt believ me dunt fukn test me |
| 19:28.37 | OluapPlayer | dat'd require editin paegs u dont do dat |
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| 19:31.05 | Luxor | Hai again |
| 19:31.56 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:37.20 | Monet | Hello |
| 19:38.09 | Luxor | Much less communication than ~5 hours ago |
| 19:39.03 | Monet | We're not a channel with 50+ people on at a time |
| 19:40.56 | Wormy_away | We have been lucky to get about 21 or so at a time |
| 19:41.12 | Wormy_away | a rare sight these days |
| 19:41.34 | Wormy_away | Catchy music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zevosc2xzLE |
| 20:05.03 | Imperios | Hi Luxor |
| 20:05.12 | Imperios | I'm Imperios, nice to meet you |
| 20:05.12 | Luxor | Hai |
| 20:05.22 | Luxor | Indeed |
| 20:06.21 | Imperios | I actually wanted to talk to you for a while but haven't been able to because reasons |
| 20:06.30 | Imperios | You and Monet had an argument about Islam recently right? |
| 20:07.40 | Luxor | Yup |
| 20:07.56 | Luxor | Thou I wouldn't call it an argument, literally it was a harsh discussion. |
| 20:08.39 | Imperios | A dispute I presume |
| 20:08.44 | Luxor | Some kind of. |
| 20:09.41 | Imperios | Anyway about Islam's "craziness", what you said about women applies more to culture than to religion IMO |
| 20:10.05 | Imperios | Keep in mind that victim-blaming was widespread in Europe as well |
| 20:10.19 | Luxor | Maybe. These were words of Islam arab theoretic... |
| 20:10.47 | Luxor | I should have added that right with the rest. |
| 20:11.32 | Imperios | Actually where I live Muslims... okay they are not completely integrated but they are much more tolerated |
| 20:11.57 | Imperios | And our Muslim women typically do not wear hijabs or at least these are not widespread |
| 20:12.52 | Luxor | Well, I assume that you've seen early 90's photo of life in Bagdad? |
| 20:13.32 | Imperios | Well, I am pretty sure things went WORSE after its, ahem, *contact* with the sophisticated West |
| 20:14.03 | Luxor | 'You don't want our democracy on your backyard' |
| 20:14.09 | Luxor | Once said an American guy |
| 20:14.23 | Luxor | It ended up with ISIS, Al-kaida, etc. |
| 20:14.26 | Monet | Which guy? |
| 20:14.26 | Imperios | Aye |
| 20:14.55 | Luxor | I don't care, it's a comparison |
| 20:15.14 | Luxor | Though US shouldn't interfere Iraq invasion on Kuweit, it was just a local task |
| 20:15.31 | Imperios | Anyway so what was your points |
| 20:15.32 | Imperios | point |
| 20:15.51 | Luxor | I don't rly know, I just started with a info from Switzerland |
| 20:16.05 | Luxor | Dispute expanded later on |
| 20:16.23 | Imperios | Ah rite |
| 20:16.36 | Imperios | You're Polish, right? |
| 20:16.40 | Luxor | Yup |
| 20:16.42 | Imperios | Ah |
| 20:16.47 | Imperios | I'm Russian/North Korean |
| 20:16.47 | Luxor | And catholic, that's an important info. |
| 20:16.57 | Luxor | Yeah, seen that on ya page. |
| 20:17.08 | Luxor | Interesting cultural background. |
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| 20:18.46 | Luxor | *New Topic! Yay* I finally managed to do some concept drawings for Tal'Sheez. |
| 20:18.55 | Luxor | Roev'vhaan looked so awful |
| 20:18.59 | Luxor | http://imgur.com/Mt3xUQF |
| 20:25.38 | Luxor | And... silence again. |
| 20:26.46 | ETS2MPJackal | Luxor: Wait, you drew that? |
| 20:28.49 | Luxor | Yup |
| 20:28.59 | ETS2MPJackal | Wow, nice! :D |
| 20:29.35 | Luxor | (Pic on right was intented to be a snap from 'her' back |
| 20:29.39 | Luxor | *) |
| 20:29.50 | Monet | Mate you have skill |
| 20:29.58 | Luxor | Oh cumon, it's not that good |
| 20:30.12 | Luxor | It's my first artwork since may anyway |
| 20:30.24 | Luxor | Homo Sapiens are too hard to draw for me |
| 20:30.54 | Monet | I think its good |
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| 20:32.24 | Luxor | Hai |
| 20:36.14 | Luxor | Okay, gotta move these concepts to the game, but first - some rest. |
| 20:36.18 | Luxor | Ciao guys! |
| 21:18.28 | Wormy_away | So bad http://i.imgur.com/pOn3Djq.jpg |
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| 21:36.00 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 21:36.05 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 21:39.41 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 21:50.58 | Wormy_away | I like listening to sci-fi amnient noise like Enterprise D's engine |
| 21:51.15 | Wormy_away | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA |
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| 23:03.45 | Wormy_away | What. The. Hell. http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/save-our-dog-mia |
| 23:12.30 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (adfc264b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.252.38.75) |
| 23:12.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hello everyone |
| 23:36.43 | Wormy_away | I actually tweeted to Peta... |
| 23:37.07 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.35 | Wormy_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.51 | Hachiman | PETA hates domestic animals |
| 23:40.02 | Hachiman | They have executed infant animals that required adopting due to having been born into domesticity and never being able to survive in the wild |
| 23:40.06 | Wormy_away | I've seen |
| 23:41.22 | Monet | Don't the opinions vary due to members' opinions? |
| 23:41.55 | Hachiman | They do but they are radical extremists nonetheless |
| 23:42.23 | Wormy_away | I'm no fan of Peta but I just want to jet this injustice as viral as possible |
| 23:42.30 | Wormy_away | *get |
| 23:42.36 | Monet | All of them or mainly the ones who make the news? |
| 23:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | Enough to ruin their credibility anyway |
| 23:43.10 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 23:44.12 | Monet | Knowing mas media all you really need for that is about 5% of the membership |
| 23:44.24 | DrodoEmpire | True. |
| 23:48.54 | TekDroid | You also have statistics like PETA euthanizing far more animals than proper agencies |
| 23:49.32 | DrodoEmpire | That's quite suspect |
| 23:50.27 | TekDroid | I can't remember the statistics but they euthanize almost all of them rather than adopt, and its a far higher ratio than normal places |
| 23:50.35 | Wormy_away | I'd rather support Dog's Trust, a charity than never puts healthy dogs down, or so they say anyway |
| 23:50.43 | DrodoEmpire | That's messed up. |
| 23:51.00 | TekDroid | Then you also have ridiculous things like their crusade against Pokemon too. |
| 23:51.53 | TekDroid | PETA is more than just 5% crazy |
| 23:53.15 | Monet | Wait, |
| 23:53.28 | Monet | That thing turned up in a PC Gamer article once |
| 23:53.39 | Monet | QUite recently |
| 23:54.27 | Monet | I think the PETA guy they interviewed admitted that it was rather twisted. But I think his reasoning was that it was done like that to get it noticed. |
